User talk:Yunshui

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Yoga pronunciation issue

Moved from Talk:Main Page

No clue how it got there, but get there it did — PinkAmpers&^{(Je vous invite à me parler)}

Thanks a lot PinkAmpers for bringing it back! I don't understand what happened. I've never known that page! There must have been an accident, an inadvertent mistake. Thanks again! therash09

There are various glitches in the MediaWiki software that just use the Main Page as a default. (Try clicking [[::]] or #, for example.) Might've been one of them. — PinkAmpers&^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 00:14, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Yea! Must've been one of those! --therash09 (talk) 19:31, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Yunshui! I've added content on Yoga Talk page, regarding the matter. Kindly address! --therash09 (talk) 17:35, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Replied there. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:06, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Thankyou so much for continuing with the discussion, even though it may be appearing irrelevant to you. I am very grateful to you for your support! I've posted a very long content this time and am hoping that you'll go through it. I'll try not making long posts hereafter, and have therefore explained the most part in this post itself! --therash09 (talk) 19:28, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Posted again! --therash09 (talk) 16:22, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi Yunshui! Kindly give your views on my latest posts. I have posted another reference that you may want to have a look at. --therash09 (talk) 05:46, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi! Posted there! Thanks a lot for your efforts all through, mate! :) --therash09 (talk) 22:13, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Charles T. Kresge

You deleted a page on Charles T. Kresge, the discoverer of MCM-41 mesoporous silicas for obvious copyright infringement. The page pointed to contains a biography of Kresge that bears only some resemblence to the page I created and was likely sourced from the same chronological data that I used: his CV. I suggest that this was done in error, that I did not in any way copy the page in question. Furthermore, the copyright that appears on the page clearly cannot extend to information Kresge submitted about himself. I will happily get a letter from him granting permission, if necessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chemsciguy (talk • contribs) 02:12, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

You're right, the original source is clearly Kresge's PIRE-ECCI bio. I've removed the most blatant copyright violation once again, although I've left the rest of the draft intact; you cannot copy a chunk of text, change a few words here and there, and claim it as your own work. That's close paraphrasing, and is regarded as a copyright violation. Suggesting that you did not copy the page is, to put it bluntly, disingenuous; the sentence order, phrasing and wording were near-identical. You can use the biography as a source for information (subject to certain restrictions), but not as a source for text. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:23, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

You are missing my point: the material is from Kresge's own bio that he provided me. It is not correctly copyrighted by the sites that you are referencing. Likely the same information he provided to all. I have corrected errors on the bio, but the key accomplishments in chronological order are not as you suggest a disingneous rehashing of the content of other sites. They are a use of the primary work with the authors permission. Even in that case, I have removed and re-edited the information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chemsciguy (talk • contribs) 14:36, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Unless off-wiki text content has been publicly released under a CC-BY-SA, GFDL or similar free licence, it cannot be used on Wikipedia, paraphrased or otherwise. Kresge may well have given you permission to use the bio, but in order for its text to be acceptable here, it would need to either be clearly labelled with an appropriate free licence in its original location, or released under such a licence in an email to Wikipedia's permissions team. Your word that he says it's okay is, I'm sorry to say, simply not sufficient (and this presumes Kresge wrote the text himself, if he didn't, he most likely does not own the copyright and hence couldn't release it under a suitable licence even if he wanted to). Yunshui 雲‍水 14:44, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

I have the original text written my him that he supplied, just as I supply my bio when I give a talk. I assure you he owns the copyright. I believe that I have sufficiently changed and CORRECTED the bio (which erroneously reported the number of issued patents and publications). I will make one more attempt to appease you but see that restating a chronology of awards and service where over 75% of the words are the names of organization, awards or journals is going to look similar no matter how many times it is rewritten. I will also request he send the email. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chemsciguy (talk • contribs) 03:04, 21 February 2013 (UTC) I don't see instructions on the page you referenced for a release declaration of copyright for printed material. What heading should I choose and how do I reference it to this discussion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chemsciguy (talk • contribs) 03:09, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the delayed response, I missed your reply here. If you don't intend to use the text (the lists of awards etc. are, as you say, pretty much impossible to replicate in any other way and so fall outside the boundaries of copyright) then there isn't a problem to address - rewriting his biography, as you have done, is a perfectly adequate solution, and is arguably more desirable anyway. The full instructions for releasing copyrighted materials for Wikipedia's use are here, but I think your edits have fixed the issue already. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:29, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Incidentally, there's no problem with using the bio as a source (as long as there are other independent sources supporting the article as well), and it doesn't need to be released for that purpose. Copyright only becomes an issue if the text in the article closely matches that of the biography. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:33, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I take it from your reply that I have now fixed the page to your satisfaction. It still has the pending notice on it. Is there still another reviewer that needs to OK it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chemsciguy (talk • contribs) 15:40, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

User:Ptoone

Hi Yunshui. This guy that we both blocked yesterday is requesting an unblock. Could you pass by their talk page and explain why you indeffed them? (It seems like it was a good call btw, I was feeling lenient for some reason) SmartSE (talk) 15:37, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi SmartSE. I've left a note at their talkpage - basically, they suggested an intent to continue promotional editing in their UTRS request. Cheers, Yunshui 雲‍水 07:58, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

CheckUser

Hello,

I just became curious about it from reading the conversations on User_talk:Ajayupai95 and I am curious as to how CheckUser functions. On wiki, we seem to be applying it almost like it is the Supreme Court, implying it is very accurate. But how accurate is it really? And are there any other ways to figure out who is a sock, and who is not?

Secondly, this user is the third user I have found in recent times (after User:Greatuser and Wolfie13 [Am forgetting the exact name]) who was blocked for being a sock; and were just trying to be constructive while using their current account. Which is curious because our immediate response is to indef-block them, and all they want is to try to be constructive. Does it signal some draconianism in our rules to you?

Cheers, TheOriginalSoni (talk) 16:54, 22 February 2013 (UTC) [Talkback pls]

Checkuser is... pretty damn accurate; generally they are able to narrow down contributions to an individual device (rather than an IP), so you can be pretty certain that if a checkuser says two accounts are confirmed as related, that means they were created from the same computer. It's not perfect, and can be fooled; for this reason we consider behavioural evidence quite carefully at SPI. More often than not, it's the behaviour that rings alarm bells: checkuser is just the formal confirmation. It's entirely possible and permissible to block obvious sockpuppets without submitting them to the checkuser process.

As to whether our rules are too draconian, that's a longer debate. I'd say that if someone has had their account blocked or heavily warned for, say, disruption or vandalism, then creating another account is a pretty bad-faith move. We have an unblock process if someone wants to start editing constructively; circumventing the process through sockpuppetry is purely disruptive - it peverts the intended course of appeal and evades scrutiny.

It's a moot point, really. If I go to a swimming pool which has clear "No running" signs all around, and if I run around the pool and continue running even after being repeatedly asked to stop, I would expect the lifeguards to chuck me out. Wikipedia's the same: there are rules governing the use of the website, and people who repeatedly flout those rules are removed. Whether the rules are "just" or not is immaterial; if you want to edit here, you obey the site's terms and conditions, just like everywhere else in life. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:10, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Unresolved help desk issue

Hi Yunshui. :) I just wanted to make you aware of this unresolved issue at the help desk initiated by Guy Macon. I thought perhaps you might be interested in giving your input. Have a wonderful weekend. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 23:17, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Wow, that's heated. Can't see the issue, myself (if you find an uncited link with a citation on the linked page (and you think lists should be fully cited) just copy the citation across. Jeez). I've got other stuff to deal with today, but I might swing by and offer an opinion if I think of anything constructive to say. Thanks for the suggestion. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:14, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Jigai, Oda, and Dennis

Hi,

Your contributions at the Tea house and at many other places are pretty awesome. I saw your Jigai comment on somebody's talk page, somebody came to my talk page to do some "grave-dancing", I've just seen your comment on Dennis's talk page, and independently I commented on something else at the bottom of Talk:Yūji Oda. I find it difficult to connect the dots. LittleBen (talk) 13:18, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

• A little more investigation suggests that one user was annoyed at his articles being moved by another editor without any discussion, when the editor that made the moves had not contributed to the articles in any way, examples: Talk:Ryoko Nakano, Talk:Kindai Eiga Kyokai, Taboo (the current name) moved to Gohatto (no longer available). It's unfortunate to see silly arguments spiral out of control and result in people being blocked. Lack of civility is bad, but so is polite interference with another user's work. One of the users admitted that he had already had problems in the poetry area that had resulted in an interaction ban, and so he had moved into the film area. LittleBen (talk) 15:32, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

LBW: Grow the hell up, please. Those articles didn't "belong" to JoshuSasori. Please see WP:OWN. I have contributed far more to Wikipedia than JoshuSasori and all his sockpuppets combined, and probably more than you as well. Please stop assuming bad faith on my part. There has been no "grave-dancing". You have continued to make personal attacks against me, and insinuate that by bringing JoshuSasori's abusive behaviour to the attention of the Wikipedia community I have done something wrong. PLEASE STOP THIS RIGHT NOW OR I WILL HAVE TO TAKE ACTION. I am sick to death of JoshuSasori and his sockpuppets hounding me for the last two months. My first interaction with him was on Talk:Ryo Kase where he started making personal attacks against me for questioning his arguments on an RM. He then started trying to alter MOSJ and made more personal attacks against me and other users there. Please see User:Elvenscout742/JoshuSasori rebuttal for a more detailed account of the early history of our dispute, and STOP THIS MADNESS NOW. elvenscout742 (talk) 15:57, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Additionally, please everyone note that Gohatto was moved by an administrator after a month of sitting in RM, in which everyone but JoshuSasori supported the move. JoshuSasori also had never "worked on" the page. He remove a couple of macrons about three days before I RMed the page, and then opposed the move on bogus grounds, making constant personal attacks against me while doing it. PLEASE STOP THIS RIGHT THE HELL NOW, or I will be forced to take this to ANI. elvenscout742 (talk) 02:00, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Elvenscout, I have no idea what this issue is about (and don't really care to be honest), but why are you shouting at the top of your lungs (all caps and bolding) and making threats? Relax, my friend. You are violating WP:SHOUT. If you believe someone is disruptively editing, then report it at the appropriate noticeboard. I don't know you, but I see that you just got off a block a few weeks ago and I don't want to see you getting banned again. You should go enjoy a bowl of ice cream or watch a good movie. That'll cheer you up. ;) In any case, Yunshui is an extremely calm person and all this rage on his talk page wouldn't be good for him. Haha. So if you feel the need to continuing screaming, you should do it on your own talk page, not someone else's. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 06:06, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

I apologize for WP:SHOUTING. I am just getting very tired of the above user making veiled personal attacks against me. He is trying to re-write the history of what happened between me and JoshuSasori, a user who has been harassing me for over two months (through sockpuppets, since his main account got blocked in January for making real-world threats). LittleBenW agrees with JoshuSasori on the use of diacritics in Japanese articles, and disagrees with me. This is why he has spent the last week or so going around numerous places claiming that in fact JS is a martyred saint and I am the one who harassed him to the point where he had to call me names and threaten me (and call about a half-dozen admins names too). Ironically, all of this is in violation of a topic-ban LBW is under -- he is currently blocked for having made several dozen edits relating to diacritics during this time. When I offered him peace, he made another veiled personal attack, implying that it was my fault JoshuSasori got blocked twice (check his talk pages and subpages for the phrase "it takes two to tango"). Honestly I am not really interested in discussing these personal attacks anymore, since the current topic ban should keep him from harassing me anymore. (He has made somewhat WP:POINTy-looking comments on unrelated discussions about hyphens, etc., but given that he is obviously opposing me solely because of my stance on diacritics the ban should keep him at bay.) elvenscout742 (talk) 01:48, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Additionally, I need to clarify this for the record: while LBW is currently under a block for a consistent pattern of disruptive behaviour, I was briefly blocked for purely technical reasons. I unknowingly violated an "interaction ban" by accidentally editing the same page as a disruptive editor. When I appealed the ban Yunshui and numerous others unanimously voted to lift my ban, and place that disruptive editor under a broad topic ban and interaction ban as a result of gaming the system by getting me blocked. I really don't want to ever mention that editor again, but having a block on my record will apparently force me to describe the events surrounding my entirely technical block that was not placed on me for being disruptive. elvenscout742 (talk) 01:56, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Elvenscout, I have no doubt that your only intentions are to help improve the project, and I commend and thank you for that. However, it is very important to realize that there will always be editors who you believe to be very disruptive or just generally annoying. Therefore, you should never allow your interactions with them cause you to post raging comments on talk pages or other discussion forums, especially the talk pages of other editors. Just stay relaxed, cite policies and guidelines, and then, if it becomes necessary, calmly report or discuss the matter at the appropriate place. If an editor has truly done something wrong, the diffs will prove it. So there's never any need to shout. It will certainly not make your case any stronger; in fact, it can cause other editors to focus on your behavior instead of the issue at hand. I believe the reason Yunshui has earned such a great reputation is because he's always so calm, friendly, and professional in his dealings with other editors. Even the difficult ones! ;) It isn't easy sometimes, but it's the best way to go... for your health, your happiness, your editing, and your wikireputation. So I hope you will please relax and make editing on Wikipedia an enjoyable experience for yourself. I wish you all the best. --76.189.111.199 (talk) 07:30, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

The above is pretty sound advice, I don't have much to add. I realise that you're pretty frustrated, Elvenscout, but as I've said before, just about everyone in WikiProject Japan knows about the JoshuSasori issue. I think it's safe to say that the majority of us (even those, like me, that don't always agree with you) are sympathetic, and so you don't need to mount an elaborate defence every time the events are raised. Stay calm, rise above, etc. etc. Going into every discussion with your kabuto strapped on is not going to encourage polite and collegial debate: you'll just end up getting into fights.

LBW, don't poke the bear. If you disagree with Elvenscout over the use of diacritics (or anything else), that's what you discuss with them, not their interactions with other editors. Comment on the content, not the contributor; you should know this by now. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:34, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Yunshui, Anon, thank you for you sound advice. I will try to implement it from now on. (And for the record, LBW is not allowed discuss diacritics with me or anyone else. I realized a bit late that every single interaction I had had with him was blatant TBAN violation.) 聖 (会話/投稿記録) 08:50, 25 February 2013 (UTC) (formerly known as Elvenscout742)

Whoops, missed that. Well, that pretty much resolves the problem, then. (By the way, whilst I think your new sig is cool (well, I would, obviously!) you might want to read WP:NLS.) Yunshui 雲‍水 08:54, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

WEP

Hi Yunshui, thanks for the reference to WEP but I checked with my institution (Sciences Po) and since this is experimental they rather not have me do this project under their name, at least this year. Hopefully I'll set a precedent and in a year or two a proper Sciences Po Educational Project can be set up. Thanks, RobertK Prods (talk) 13:19, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

There are definite risks to editing outside the WEP - even if you choose not to be part of it, I'd strongly recommend you get your students to take the student training course before they start editing. I've seen poorly-thought out education projects turn into disasters in the past, with students having their work deleted and even having their accounts blocked because the professor in charge wasn't sufficiently aware of what Wikipedia is and how it works. I'm not for a moment suggesting that your course is poorly-planned or that it won't be a success, but since your course structure hasn't been posted or vetted by a WEP ambassador, it's impossible to say how well it will work.

If you need help, you're welcome to post here; I'd be happy to offer what assistance I can. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:41, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Hey Robert. I'm another ambassador and I was just going to point out that you're strongly encouraged to run a WP:Course page at minimum. =) The one I ran last semester as an ambassador is at User:Biosthmors/Intro Neuro. I have developed a template you can copy/paste/adapt to User:RobertK Prods/Course page, for example, at User:Biosthmors/Course page. How else could Yunshui and I be of assistance to you? Also see WP:AFSE, which links to some relevant WP:Training. Biosthmors (talk) 01:34, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi Yunshui and Biosthmors; first of all sorry for my long silence. Yunshui, I posted a reply to you on my User:RobertK Prods. Biosthmors, thanks for your helpful suggestion and the template. I will use it and create a Course Page as you suggest; and I plan to run my project through WEP, either this year or the next. RobertK Prods (talk) 14:12, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Cleanup

Hello, Yunshui. You are invited to join WikiProject Cleanup, a WikiProject and resource for Wikipedia cleanup listings, information and discussion. To join the project, just add your name to the member list. Northamerica1000(talk) 15:58, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Talk page access of blocked editor 71.226.19.183

A few days ago, you blocked User:71.226.19.183 for 3 months. He or she is now abusing his or her Talk page access. Can you please block that access, too? Thanks! ElKevbo (talk) 18:10, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Done; I've also removed that rather nasty statement from the edit history. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:43, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Rollback

Hi Yunshui, I respect your decision not to give me rollbacker rights on the grounds im not experienced enough with antivandalism, but if you don't mind if I am deemed not experienced enough how does someone like this (User:Jackson Peebles) qualify? With less than 100 edits to the mainspace I dont see how he managed to gain antivandalism experience superior to my own. Again, I respect your decision and im not trying to sound all upset or anything, just wondering, Thanks! ★★RetroLord★★ 10:17, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

I didn't grant Jackson Peebles' request (I believe it was Wifione, so you may want to ask them for clarification). Jackson does have over 400 edits in total, many of which are to his CVUA course - whilst CVUA isn't a shortcut to rollback, completion of the course is often factored in to an admin's decision. Please be aware that rollback really isn't that special (you pretty much get it for "free" with Twinkle anyway), and lack of it has no bearing on the quality of your contributions (which, to the GA field in particular, are generally excellent). If you really want to use the tool (for Huggle or STiki, say), it's not that hard to obtain: just concentrate on using Twinkle to revert vandalism for a couple of days and you'll rack up enough edits to demonstrate competence easily. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:26, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification then, much appreciated. ★★RetroLord★★ 10:27, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

No problem. I look forward to pimping your userrights on your next attempt. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:29, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Request

Thanks for blocking the vandal Athomasm. Can you also please delete this? It was also created by him. ~ satellizer ~~ talk ~ 10:19, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

It's gone. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:27, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Help (yet again!)

Hello Yunshui, I'm not too sure if I've done the right thing or made matters worse and/or more complicated! I've been trying to help this new editor and noticed they had an AfC declined. When s/he left a message on my talk page last night, I felt they were becoming confused with talk pages and trying to rectify problems with the submission (I was certainly confused when I looked at the page here!) so I took the initiative of jumping in and creating a new sandbox with a cleaner copy of their proposed article in it.
If you get the chance, would you mind making sure what I've done is okay? Is there a better way I could have done it? as always, I'm pestering one of the busiest people around but that's what happens when you are so patient! SagaciousPhil - Chat 10:35, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

There's a little bit of attribution squiffiness as a result, but that can be handled (at present, if someone was to move the sandbox page into article space it would be you, not Final4one, who would be credited with its creation, creating a copyright violation). The fix is fairly simple, fortunately: all you need to do is copy-and-paste (not move) the sandbox content back into the AFC, overwriting the content that's already there (you should leave the declined submission templates and the comments at the top, though. The resulting page history will show you making your changes, but will retain attribution to Final4one for their edits.

I'd suggest you ask Final4one if they're happy with this, and assuming they are, go ahead and make the change. There are still a number of problems with the sandbox version (Wikipedia articles used as sources, some duplicated refs, the sourcing generally isn't fabulous), but that's all fixable at the AFC draft. Generally it's not a great idea to have both a sandbox and an AFC on the go simultaneously, since it can cause confusion in the attribution of the final article (not to mention bewildering the writer and any editors trying to review the page!), so in future I'd suggest editing the AFC directly after consulting with its creator.

Thank you for helping out a new user; always good to see them getting a hand! Cheers, Yunshui 雲‍水 10:50, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Yunshui - as soon as I pressed the save button I had the sinking feeling I had got it wrong. I have now asked for the new page I wrongly created to be speedy deleted (using the {{db-user}} template) and amended the talk page messages. I hope I haven't now made it even worse! (Wow, as I'm typing this it has already been deleted!) Sorry for being a pain.....

I did try the reflinks tool a couple of weeks ago but ended up just manually updating the bare URLs instead! I also have ProveIt loaded but again, my mind doesn't seem to work in tandem with it! Just plain laziness on my part - it feels quicker for me to type up the refs than trying to come to grips with shiny new tools! SagaciousPhil - Chat 12:28, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Problem solved, then! I know that sinking feeling only too well - usually I get it just after deleting a page. There's nothing more embarrassing than two consecutive log entries showing one has confidently deleted and then sheepishly restored a page in the same thirty-second window...

It took me ages to get used to using ProveIt, Refsegregator, Reflinks etc. and I still do most of my referencing "by hand", so to speak. The one automate ref tool I do use pretty regularly is the Google Books converter; that's an incredibly useful bit of kit (so much so that I made a userbox for it to make it more accessible from my userpage). Yunshui 雲‍水 12:58, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Now that is a really nifty piece of kit.....sneaks around the back and surreptitiously copies user box for it... SagaciousPhil - Chat 13:47, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

payingtoomuch.com

Hi there,

I created a page for payingtoomuch.com but it was promptly deleted. I understand that I need to put in reference material (Which I have). Did try to do this but I struggled to get the links formatted correctly and was looking for someone to help me with this.

I was adding this page because the website is comparable to the other uk price comparison websites listed in this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_comparison_service and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Price_comparison_services.

Can you give me any advice on how to improve this article so that it does not get deleted in the future?

Thank you

Nial — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nialdavies (talk • contribs) 14:51, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

You will need to add references to multiple, reliable, independent sources that cover the subject in some depth. The website itself and those of other companies run by Mr Ward are insufficiently independent; what you need are newpaper articles and reviews (not press releases), coverage in books, reviews by major players in the field such as Martin Lewis and so on. I'll restore the article to your userspace for you to work on; you can find it at User:Nialdavies/Payingtoomuch.com. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:58, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, FYI moneysaving expert is owned by moneysupermarket so it cant really be called independent. Thanks though, I'll work on it, hopefully I can get the references formatted correctly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nialdavies (talk • contribs) 15:07, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

"Independent" in this case means "independent of payingtoomuch.com". Unless PTM is also a moneysupermarket subsidiary... Yunshui 雲‍水 18:46, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Sania Nishtar

Would you be so kind as to restore Sania Nishtar into my userspace (preferably User:Mar4d/Sania Nishtar) so that I may work on it and fix the issues? As far as I remember, the original version of the article was in good shape and had no copyright issues and the other mess that generally came along later. If it is not possible to restore the article to my userspace for some reason, could you at least tell me the categories which the article was categorised into? That would be helpful. Thanks, Mar4d (talk) 16:26, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

PS: I'd prefer if you reply on my talk page, as your talk page seems to be unbearably heavy for my slow internet connection :) Mar4d (talk) 16:27, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Replied there. Yunshui 雲‍水 20:54, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Email

Hello, Yunshui. Please check your email; you've got mail!
Message added 01:44, 27 February 2013 (UTC). It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

Kevin12xd (contribs) 01:44, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Notability opinion.

Can you look at this company Felda Global Ventures Holdings and give an opinion on their notability. There is a link on the talkpage to regarding notability but teh link doesn't seem to help it's case much as this seems to be routine coverage. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 09:05, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Definitely not a candidate for A7 (being the second largest public share offering in the world is a pretty clear claim to significance). A lot of the sources in Brian's link look like press releases, but I think there's still enough there to scrape past WP:CORP. I wouldn't like to speculate on the result of an AFD, it could easily go either way depending on who showed up to !vote - those arguing deletion would point to the paucity of independent press coverage and the high proportion of press releases, those arguing Keep would claim there's sufficient coverage. I'd probably be a weak keep !vote, myself. Their current fall from grace ([1]) suggests there'll be more media coverage in future, so I suspect that this article could well have some traction in the coming months.

No harm in sending it to AFD if you wish; as I say, it could go either way. Were it my decision, I probably wouldn't bother, but I've no objection if you feel it's appropriate. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:17, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

That's why I was asking, thanks! Hell In A Bucket (talk) 09:44, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Essays at AfD

Didn't mean too, but sure is getting interesting. Lol, Yunshui versus Amadscientist, 2013. Doesn't hurt to debate once in a while, yeah? ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 11:13, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Reads like a close fight to me. So, you're the proposition and he's the opposition? Good, continue the points. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 11:16, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

I think WP:PGL is a good read. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 11:19, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

You know, Amaterialmadscientist and I aren't two beetles that you can put in a bottle and shake to make them fight... Yunshui 雲‍水 11:20, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

and to be pedantic... He's amadscientist. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 11:28, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Oops. Sorry, AMS. Illustrious company to be confused with, though. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:32, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Cos... You are human, aren't you? I meant, could you continue the "debate" here, like you suggested. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 11:26, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

I'd certainly prefer that, the Teahouse really isn't the place to hold such a discussion. No comment on the accusation of "human". Woof. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:30, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes, agreed. I was thinking this is an interesting topic to ask an admin. Funny, to think a male non-human sells books, is an atheist, practices martial arts and parents two kids.[2] And yes, playing Go. My favorite too. Pity I'm a human who's allergic to dogs. :D Cheers, ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 11:35, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Well, since you asked an admin (and since I'm not at the Teahouse, and can therefore give my own opinion):

My take is that the usual hierarchy of rules (policies trump guidelines, guidelines outrank information pages, infopages are better than Wikipedia essays, WP essays overrule user essays) is a bit of a simplistic way to view the system. In a deletion discussion, for example, it's common for the overarching deletion reason to be an appeal to either WP:NOTE (guideline) or WP:NOT (policy), and the discussion comes down to whether or not the article meets one of those two rulings. During that discussion, though, there may be numerous specifics which are better addressed by appeal to essays, since NOTE and NOT are, by their very nature, highly generalised. Thus we have pages like WP:MANOTE or WP:GHITS, which, whilst not policies themselves, serve to elucidate and specify certain aspects of the general rules. Depending on the circumstances, these may be more or less relevent to the discussion than the actual policies themselves.
Having said that, I'm totally in agreement with AMS that simply linking to these wikiacronyms is not an appropriate arguments - if you think a subject fails WP:MANOTE, your deletion !vote needs to explain why you think he or she doesn't meet those criteria. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:48, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Wow, thanks; I am more enlightened now. You seem very learned on essays I myself have not heard of till today. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 12:34, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Though AMS seems to have gone MIA. Conceded his case, I guess? ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 12:36, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

He may have just concluded that it wasn't worth following up; it's a pretty minor disagreement in the grand scheme of things. It's also important to note that this isn't a case of one of us being right and the other wrong - we have differing opinions on the interpretation of the rules, and neither one of us is necessarily correct. AMS is a well-tenured editor, and I respect his opinion, as well as his right to disagree with me - he can assess AFDs his way and I mine, and the world will continue on its axis without noticing... Yunshui 雲‍水 12:52, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

The Complete Works of William Shakespeare

I saw your comment at User talk:Theaterproject2013 regarding The Taming of the Shrew, may want to have a look at User talk:Tha Taming of the Shrew, I am not quite sure what is going on here, or if you had sorted if there was a class project of sorts going on. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 22:23, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

I haven't been able to establish that it's a class project, but the appearance of User:Tha Taming... certainly makes it look that way. I'll have a skim through Special:ActiveUsers and see if I can spot any more badly-spelled Shakespeare from the last day or two, and I've asked WikiProject Shakespeare to keep their eyes peeled. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:57, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

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Article deletion

Hi, you deleted an article created on John Thuo who is an aspirant for parliamentary elections in Kenya. See http://iebc.or.ke/index.php/media-center/press-releases/item/nominated-candidates-for-the-4th-march-2013?category_id=7

please let me know if this is sufficient justification for the person to have a wikipedia entry other than what is available at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenya_National_Assembly_elections_in_Nairobi,_2013

If this seems ok, kindly restore the page.

Thanks Anon547 (talk) 09:17, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi Anon547. I'm afraid that simply being a candidate is not sufficient grounds for a WIkipedia article. You might want to have a look at the specific notability requirements for politicians. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:20, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

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Unblock

Fine by me - can you do the honours as I'm on a smartphone at present, which makes it fiddly?! Thanks, Bencherlite^Talk 11:44, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

It's done. Thanks. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:48, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

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You took down my page :(

Hi there Yunshui, i now know why you took down my page after reading your "did i delete your page" but i wasn't familiar with the rules, and i didn't get a warning so i couldn't change the page so it would fit the rules. It is a page about a tale with describes a fictive person, i my self haven't wrote the tale but i've got permission to write a resume of the tale and some background on the story. also how do i move the page to the danish site? i really wish to do so. thank you 2ballerog1pat — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2ballerog1pat (talk • contribs) 12:51, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Nonsensical fictional reimaginings of history are not suitable content for Wikipedia. I sincerely doubt such contributions will be welcomed at the Danish Wikipedia either, but you're welcome to create an account there and ask them; the Danish version can be found here. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:56, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Ismail obuli

I can certainly understand the reasons for declining my CSD A7 nomination; what I'm concerned now is that the author has blanked the article - does this qualify for G7? - hmssolent\^{Let's convene} _{My patrols} 13:27, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Technically it does, but I'll check first. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:30, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

No response; I've gone ahead and removed it. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:23, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

You deleted my page

Hello Yunshui, I created a page for the Christopher Miles film "Fire from Olympia" and then wrote the content to go on it. Before I had finished writing (less than ten minutes) it you had deleted it. I admire your diligence but I can't type that fast! Adrian MCS 13:58, 1 March 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manor Cottage Studios (talk • contribs)

Hi Adrian. The content you'd posted was literally just a restatement of the page's title. If you'd like to work on the article at a more leisurely pace, I'd suggest you start by creating it in a subpage of your userspace - there's a link at the very top of your screen marked "Sandbox", which will create just such a working space for you. Build your article there, and then move it into the main encyclopedia once it's got enough content and sources to survive. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:01, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I agree that was the only content Yunshui for only ten minutes and I contested the rapid delete warning saying that the main body would be there in less than ten minutes but what I had written has also gone, is there no way I can retrieve my work?MCS 14:06, 1 March 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manor Cottage Studios (talk • contribs)

I have checked, but I'm afraid it does not appear to have been saved anywhere - your only deleted contributions (which I'm aware you can't view) are your one edit to create the page and your contest of the deletion on the talkpage, and it doesn't appear in your live contributions. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:11, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Being that the username is a marketing firm, I have reservations about teh article they were trying to create and believe it was more then likely a marketing article. I could be wrong but we do seem to have a username issue as well. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 14:18, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I know; I've already warned him. Serious COI issues at Christopher Miles, as well. Manor Cottage Studios, you need to file a change of username request pretty sharpish if you want to continue editing. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:20, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Before I saw this conversation, I had blocked this account as a clear role account for this marketing company. I used a softerblock which invites them to set up a new individual account, and reiterated WP:COI and WP:BESTCOI, but we maybe need an entry at COI/N to get some neutral eyes on the articles they are editing. JohnCD (talk) 14:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I gave some thought to doing that myself instead of warning them, but it seemed a bit churlish when we were already having a discussion. Editing pattern does suggest some fairly unrepentant COI editing, so if they return then I agree that it might be worth COI/Ning both Christopher Miles and possibly some related pages. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:35, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

That is to say, it would have seemed churlish coming from me - I've no quibble at all with your block, John! Yunshui 雲‍水 14:36, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Good cause they are now editing as an anon IP, blatantly obvious [[3]]. Seems to indicate promotion only for sure. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 14:56, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Quacky. I've put the IP on ice for a couple of days. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:59, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

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Oops

Seems we both originally misinterpreted what was going on here. Unblock might be in order. Cheers! Spitfire^Tally-ho! 15:05, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Mm; I have to say, I'm undecided. There are evidently more issues than the username violation at stake, and the decision to immediately return to editing the same article as an IP smacks of serious IDIDNTHEARTHAT to me. Unblocking is technically the right thing to do, but this might be a case of IAR; on balance, Wikipedia seems to me to be better served by leaving the block in place. I'm open to being convinced otherwise, though. Yunshui 雲‍水 15:09, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit summaries like [[4]] this tells me they are not here to build an encyclopedia whatever the username. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:11, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

My response at User_talk:Spitfire#Manor_Cottage_Studios should cover this. Pasting here:

"That's another matter - you can't block a user or an IP address for block evasion of a username block: that's definitive. It seems fairly obvious that John was aware of the COI problems when he set the block, but he decided it was not yet enough to justify a COI/spam block, and instead did a username block.

To then use this username block as cover for shuffling aside a problematic editor would be unacceptable. If you want to get the user blocked for spam/COI issues, that needs to be done via the proper procedures."

Cheers, Spitfire^Tally-ho! 15:13, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Oo-er, I see John was actually not especially aware of it until after setting the block - main thrust of my point remains the same, though. Spitfire^Tally-ho! 15:16, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm still very much not convinced it's the right thing to do (or rather, it's the right thing to do, but may well not be the best thing to do), but okay; I'll unblock the IP. Then I'm off for the weekend; if it all goes horribly wrong before Monday, blame Spitfire! Yunshui 雲‍水 15:18, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Cheers, appreciate it! If things go wrong, I'll volunteer myself to the village stocks. (in seriousness, though, I'm happy this way, even if the user actually commits a (hard) blockable offense and is then blocked, that's preferable to me over blocking them before they commit it on a (albeit very strongly founded) suspicion that they will). Spitfire^Tally-ho! 15:24, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

If this makes a difference [[5]] the first block should have been the harder block anyways. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:19, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Not necessarily possible to say whether AIV would have done a harder block or not. Evidently at least one admin, John, reviewed the case and decided that a soft block was the best option - the fact that you also filed an AIV case doesn't really overrule that... you're welcome to take the matter to AN/I or another appropriate venue to petition for a ban/harder block. Spitfire^Tally-ho! 15:24, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I really think that Yunshui hit it on the head that this is one of those that goes either way. I feel strongly about any paid editing, which being a marketing firm is. I think that by ignoring this we just let them go about their business on the sly. Granted this could be happening at any number of pages but when we know what's going on I think there is a duty to stop it. I've asked JohnCD to comment here, if three admin agree no need for me to block fish at AN. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:27, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

This is fine by me. If John agrees that a block for the COI/spam is appropriate, I have no objection. I can fully appreciate that such action may be appropriate. Sorry for being a bit of a stickler here: I just see a lot of cases where a somewhat problematic but not actually blockable user receives a username softblock, and is then incorrectly accused of block evasion and sockpuppetery when they follow the instructions on their block notice to create a new account / continue editing - it is very important that the username block doesn't have any impact on future blocks either for behavioural issues or socking issues. Spitfire^Tally-ho! 15:35, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I considered a hardblock, but edits like this show that the user is being perfectly open and is (at least in his view) trying to correct BLP errors rather than to promote and (like most newbies) doesn't understand our rules. I have told him about BESTCOI and BLP/H, and have advised the IP to set up an individual account with which there can be a dialogue. If he is prepared to do that and comply with BESTCOI, I don't think we have a problem, though a COI/N entry to get more eyes on his pages would help. JohnCD (talk) 16:03, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Sanity

Just wondering, but you do remember that you have the pretty shiny buttons too right? Just was wondering, if there's some other reason feel free to just not answer :) gwickwire^talk_editing 23:23, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I've commented on the AFD, so I'm involved. Don't worry, all my shiny buttons are still fully intact! Yunshui 雲‍水 23:35, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Works for me (although, I don't know how involved that is, but I won't argue). Just didn't want you to have misplaced your buttons into the wrong hands (i.e. canvassededitor#1294). /me couldn't survive if Yunshui lost their buttons, who would I go to to get automatic no-questions-asked completely POV and OWN violating page protection and deletion?! for humor lackers, that was what's called a joke. gwickwire^talk_editing 00:01, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Kira discussion and investogation

Hi I see you requested an ip check on my username . I fear I will lose access to Wikipedia if one if the ip checkers think I caused the chaos on Kira's delete discussion. While I did write the article, I never thought it would cause such a massive dispute so if you have any advice let me know Siabaf (talk), —Preceding undated comment added 00:57, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

If you aren't the same user as the disruptive IPs, you have nothing to worry about - checkuser's been approved for the case, meaning that they'll be able to tell whether it's you or not. And, as I stated at the SPI, if it's "not", then I apologise for bringing you into it. Yunshui 雲‍水 01:15, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Regarding Premsutra Deletion

Hello sir,

I created a page called as Prem sutra and it got deleted because of some reason. Can you please let me know what could be the precautions i should take in order to avoid deletion in future.

Regards,

Samir K. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samirkamble (talk • contribs)

I see you have recreated the page; at least this time it's clear that the subject is a film (the previous incarnation appeared to be about a person, whom it now seems was a character in the film). However, I have still found it necessary to nominate the article for deletion; I hunted for sources to see whether it meets our inclusion requirements for films and it does not appear to do so. You may contest the deletion (there's a note on your talkpage explaining how), but the most effective way to do so would be to provide suitable sources; see this page to get an idea of what you need. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:18, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

My pages are for a University Assignment.

Hey, I know that these pages aren't exact;y up to a professional standard but I'm just putting them out there to show that I have tarted the assignment process.

Please don't delete me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Seth Fasnacht-Conn (talk • contribs) 10:06, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

"More to come" isn't just "not up to standard"; it's not even a stub-class article. As I said on your talkpage; if you want to show that you've started the process, please do your work outside the main article space, using your sandbox. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:10, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Delcining my Article

Hi Yunshui,

I will attempt to re write the article on Marylebone High Estate Agents, if there are any further problems could you message me so that I can make amendments.

Kind regards

Elliot — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elliotchaytor (talk • contribs)

Please don't. Wikipedia only hosts articles about notable subjects, and simply being the only estate agent on a particular high street isn't in any way a claim to notability. If you persist in adding information about Marylebone High Estate Agents - especially if you keep adding links to their website - your account may well end up blocked for promotional editing. Please take a few minutes to read the notability guidelines linked to above (you might want to look at the specific guideline for companies, as well), and consider writing an article about a subject that meets those requirements instead. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:23, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Thank you for your help, I am still new to this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xluckycharmx (talk • contribs) 21:41, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, ok.

Hey, sorry about any misunderstandings, I was literally just playing around with Wikipedia and didn't really know what was happening.

That's how I learn.

But whatever, enough ramblings.

(Seth Fasnacht-Conn (talk) 21:24, 5 March 2013 (UTC))

Fair enough, just keep your nose clean in future. Yunshui 雲‍水 21:45, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Trashness

Hi, I have been informed that you have deleted the page on Trashness. I found the blog much interesting and I also agree I may have written it in a bit way of advertising. I apologize for that. Is there any way I can make the page back with appropriate citations and references. I seriously need some help from you. Hope you would find a solution to my problem soon. Thanks, Aminuddinshroff (talk) 22:56, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

The appropriate content guideline is WP:WEB. If Trashness has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the site itself, or has won a well-known and independent award from either a publication or organization, then we can have an article on it. If not, the website doesn't meet our requirements for inclusion. Since the article gave no suggestion that either criterion was met, I removed it. Yunshui 雲‍水 23:00, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

I think I forgot to cite this source in the article, it just went out of my mind. Will this link work for the article to be cited or reliable : http://www.soletopia.com/2012/10/faces-of-trashness-interviewing-amin-eftegarie-maarten-van-damme/ ! Kindly, renew the article and make it get published as I find it genuine enough. Hoping you will reply asap ! Regards, Aminuddinshroff (talk) 23:58, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

It's an interview - hence a primary source - in what as far as I can tell is a fashion blog with bells on; no editorial oversight that I can see, but at least content doesn't seem to be user-submitted. It might meet WP:RS, but it's not sufficient to attest to notability. However, in the interests of general peace and goodwill to all men, I'll userfy the page for you: I'd suggest that you put it through AFC once you've brought it up to code. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:52, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Nevermind, I see that's already been done. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:55, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the kind help. I have created the article under AFC, and I am waiting for the review. I, henceforth request to consider the page and make it certified for wikipedia asap. It says, it will take a week time, looks too much for me. I hope you will understand the curiosity I have got for making the article go live. Since, you considered it, please do make the process happen as soon as possible. Regards, Aminuddinshroff (talk) 17:30, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Sigma Team

Why did you delete it again? I'm re-edit it and leave it open, so that the people will understand the Russian-based company.

Rabbitgentleman (talk) 13:32, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

The Sigma Team page was deleted as the result of a community discussion; if you want the page recreated, you will have to file a case at Deletion Review. The page cannot be recreated without either overturning the deletion decision or addressing the concerns raised there in a new version of the article. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:35, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Violation, vandalism

Hi there,

This user is vandalizing a lot of pages. Probably he wants to be administrator and thinks he's right. Look how many he removed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Werieth

I was pissed off because he was removing also all the posters here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_in_UFC

And I saw that he did before here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_in_K-1_Events

I look forward to hearing from you. Please reply me here. This user deserves a ban. He doesn't bring anything than violations. I see he was also threatening users.

Regards,

Păduchele (Păduchele|talk) 09:55, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

I haven't checked all Werieth's edits, but those file removals I did look at seemed valid. At most, he's guilty of being a bit over-hasty and bot-like in his edits, and needs to slow down and discuss some of these removals, but I see nothing in his work worthy of anything more than a mild rebuke (which I see Bushranger has already delivered). Whilst I appreciate your frustration, adminshopping and aggressive e-mails are not the appropriate way to deal with the issue - I note, for example, that you haven't made any attempt to discuss this on Werieth's talkpage. Talk to him about his (IMHO, valid, if hasty) image removals, and try to comprehend that you yourself may actually be in the wrong on this. From your contributions, it looks as though your understanding of the fair use policy could use some improvement; you may want to start by reviweing the content of that page. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:30, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

The problem was resolved. Thank you. You are wise administrator.

Regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Păduchele (talk • contribs) 14:53, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Autopatrolled

Hi Yunshui, I asked you a while back about user rights and couldn't think of anyone else to ask this question too, so I hope you don't mind.

I see that the autopatrolled page states 50 pages created as a suggested guideline for autopatrolled, as I have created about 40 GA review talk page aswell as 40ish more IP talk pages for vandalism warnings, do you think I would be eligible for these rights? I ask so that I can reduce the workload on new pgae patrollers, without the embarrasment of having my claim rejected over at request for permissions. So, in your opinion, would it be appropriate for me to apply for these rights? Thanks★★RetroLord★★ 09:37, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Give me a few minutes to poke through your edits and I'll get back to you. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:38, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Well that was easy. Unless the toolserver's lying to me (which it might well be, tempermental bugger that it is) I can't see that you've created any articles at all yet. GA review and talkpages don't take up much (if any) time at RPP, so we generally only grant autopatrolled for prolific article creators. Whilst your GA work shows that you have a pretty good knowledge of the content requirements and could certainly count towards an AP rights request, at present there's no visible need for you to have the right - if you aren't churning out articles, you aren't really contributing to the load on RPP. I'd save yourself the trouble of applying until you have at least 20-30 article creations under your belt; until then, I can't see any admin thinking it worthwhile. Hope that's helpful. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:44, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Ok thanks for that, much appreciated ★★RetroLord★★ 09:46, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

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Rheem DRV

Yunshui, there is a DRV at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2013 March 8 regarding your article deletion edit here. Jreferee (talk) 07:41, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification. I'd have restored it (at least to userspace) on request, but since they seem determined to go through the most convoluted channel possible (why not WP:UND?) I wash my hands of the matter. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:54, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletions (aside from CSD G7 and some G6 cases) are outside the scope of WP:REFUND. However, the DRV nominator should have discussed the issue with you first. FWIW I would have declined the speedy because the NASCAR sponsorship is an indication of IoS. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 13:26, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Appreciate your thoughts, Ron. I gave some thought to whether sponsoring a NASCAR driver was sufficiently significant to decline an A7, but whilst Kevin Harvick is notable, companies that give him money are two a penny; I don't feel that the sponsorship deal is any indicator of noteworthiness. Still, opinions differ; it looks as though the consensus is headed towards an overturn, so I guess the article will be back up soon enough. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:42, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Page Creation

I want to write an article about a school but the school has no website, please tell me that still I can create article of school. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.177.221.125 (talk) 09:19, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

The general consensus on Wikipedia is that secondary schools (high schools) usually merit an article, whilst primary schools usually don't. What is the school you want to write about? Yunshui 雲‍水 09:22, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it is a secondary school — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.177.220.238 (talk) 09:25, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Has it been written about in suitable secondary sources? Whilst articles on secondary schools are usually kept, they still require verifiable content: that means you will need to provide sources. If you tell me the name of the school I may be able to help. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:32, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Counter-Vandalism Unit/Academy

Hello Sir!, I want to make wikipedia a better place. I want to get training for Counter-Vandalism Unit/Academy program and I want to get training from you. Please tell me your decision? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farhajking (talk • contribs) 09:34, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Farhaking. As a rule, we don't usually take CVUA trainees on until they have over 200 edits under their belt; editors with fewer edits tend to have insufficient experience of Wikipedia to be able to undertake the training without making too many mistakes. Whilst your enthusiasm is appreciated, might I suggest that you start out by just doing some basic editing - fix spelling errors, locate sources, add bits of information here and there and so on. I'd be happy to take you on as a CVUA trainee once you're clearly familiar with Wikipedia's processes; and content creation is far better for Wikipedia than anti-vandalism! All the best, Yunshui 雲‍水 09:42, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks you so much, I am going to get some more experience of editing wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farhajking (talk • contribs) 09:44, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Another question, I am a new user, will you adopt me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farhajking (talk • contribs) 09:49, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

That I can do, and willingly. Give me a few minutes to set things up and I'll pop over to your talkpage with details. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:53, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

edit HCL Technologies

Sorry for that one.What do you mean by constructive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhiyanes (talk • contribs) 11:46, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

With this edit, you posted speculative, derogatory comments about both a living person and a company. This is in direct contravention of Wikipedia's neutrality policy, and is not permitted. Kindly don't add such content again. If you want to comment on business affairs, start a blog or a YouTube channel. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:52, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for that again.I don't knew it.I've edited now.Please check it once and tell me if I have to edit again — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhiyanes (talk • contribs) 12:37, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

No. You can't simply revert the same non-neutral text back into the article. If you persist, you will be blocked. I suggest you post to Talk:HCL Technologies with a redrafted version of your text, and request input from other editors. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:40, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Re:Image uploads

Sorry Yunshui, but I didn't know that it was a violation! Jeremy asked me a couple of months ago that if I wanted to upload some images, I would have to let him know and I would have to give him the images that he wanted me to upload! I didn't know. ChicagoWiz 21:10, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

I even have the proof that he gave me permission! ChicagoWiz 21:12, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

It's okay, I'm not going to slap a block on you without considerable prior warning - call this a shot across the bows, if you like. It's pretty evident, however, that you still don't get Wikipedia's image use policy; anything that's licensed for non-commercial reuse only, or that forbids derivative works, is not suitable for re-release under Wikipedia's own CC-BY-SA licence. Anyone who's even the least bit familiar with image copyright here knows this. Until you can demonstrate a clear understanding of the relevant policies, you need to steer clear of file uploads, by proxy or directly. Yunshui 雲‍水 21:16, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Searching for sources.

Hi Yun

I was just reading over your user page and I noticed you said you create whatever takes your fancy (obviously as long as it meets the rules) well I've decided I'm going to try my hand at an article in similar fashion. My focus will be on 'Operation Blackout' from Club Penguin which was an event which broke player records for CP, unfortunately I've ran a check and the first 20 pages (I actually went this far) of Google results are either fan websites or YouTube videos of how to beat a / all of the parts as well as one post from CP's Website. Where would you suggest I look next for sources? MIVP - (Can I Help?) (Maybe a bit of tea for thought?) 02:23, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

My usual go-to sites for sources are Google Books, Google News and (to a lesser extent) Google Scholar, with diversions to HighBeam Research (paid access) from time to time. I've run the search string "operation blackout" + "club penguin" on all of these, though, including archives, and come up with nothing - I'd say there's a very strong likelihood that it doesn't meet the inclusion guidelines. Sorry to rain on your parade; you might have an easier time of it writing about a different topic. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:59, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

References

If there is a university or any educational institute article on wikipedia, should I add references from its own website? Farhajking (talk) 09:48, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Generally it's best practice to avoid using information taken directly from the subject of an article, unless the information cited is pretty basic and uncontroversial. You could, for example, use a university's website as a source for student numbers or date of establishment, but not for something like the successes of its student debating society or its awards for research. Secondary sources are nearly always preferable. A link to the university's website (usually in the infobox at the top of the page) is usually appropriate, but the article should be primarily concerned with information that doesn't stem directly from the university itself. Does that make things any clearer? Yunshui 雲‍水 07:52, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

SPI clerk

Hi! If you would like, I can take you on as a trainee SPI clerk.

You should read the instructions for administrators, instructions for clerks, sock puppetry policy (make note of the legitimate versus illegitimate uses of sockpuppets), WMF privacy policy, and the checkuser policy.

We generally coordinate work via the IRC channel #wikipedia-en-spi ^connect, and, although it isn't critical, it can be a big help when explaining things. WP:SPI lists the open cases so you can find them, and User:Timotheus Canens/spihelper.js is a helpful little script you might want to add to your js page to assist with clerking cases.

Additionally, you may find that adding importScriptURI('http://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-markblocked.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript'); to your js page to mark blocked users is helpful in determining which sockpuppets have been blocked already.

Be aware that you will likely end up dealing with sockpuppetting long-term abusers who will try to out you on various sites like Encyclopedia Dramatica.

If you're still interested, I'll add your name to the clerk list. Good luck! Reaper Eternal (talk) 12:42, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

I couldn't ask for a better mentor. Let's do it.

I'm afraid I don't do IRC (for several reasons), so you'll have to make do with my geologically slow response time - my talkpage and email both get checked pretty regularly, though. Thanks for the script suggestions, I'll whack them in my .js page. Look forward to working with you. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:10, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Alright then! I've added your name to the clerks list. Good luck, and feel free to poke me on my talk page or via email if you have any questions! Reaper Eternal (talk) 10:36, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Huzzah, I can scarcely wait for the inevitable tirade of harrassment from LTAs. Having read/installed all of the above, do I need to do any further preperation or should I go straight ahead and start (very cautiously!) performing basic clerking duties? Yunshui 雲‍水 10:41, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Diamonds World Tour

Yunshui,

I'm sorry, I was a bit rude to you earlier today without meaning to be. I've undeleted this article, which you deleted after an AFD last year, because the tour has now started and there are evidently now reliable sources discussing it. The deletion rationales at AFD basically boiled down to CRYSTAL and no RS, both of which no longer apply, and it was fairly clear to me that everyone at the AFD recognized that there would be an article here as soon as the tour actually started. I think the undeletion is uncontroversial, so I just did it rather than make them go thru DRV, but I just realized I didn't check in with you about it first, which I should have. Sorry about that. --Floquenbeam (talk) 03:21, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

No offense taken, Floq - no offense even noticed, in fact. I seem to recall (I haven't checked) that my closing statement said something along the lines of "this can be recreated any time there are sufficient sources", so you have my pre-emptive blessing, as it were! I appreciate you letting me know, but I've no problem whatsoever seein the article recreated; I'd have done the same thing if I'd known. Cheers, Yunshui 雲‍水 07:45, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Sockpuppet

Can you review [[6]] one of our friends is back and there is at least two socks. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 07:51, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Jeb5000's already blocked; Jebbey is possible, but pretty stale (no edits for the last three months); I don't reckon checkuser's going to be worth it on that one. Not enough for me to think it worth blocking outright, unless you're seeing something I'm not. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:05, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

I understand it was stale, one of the clerks has actually found two additional socks and has endorsed the request as the socking goes back at least to the month of December and it is highly likely that there are others out there ;). I figured I'd involve you since you were invovled in the last block but we;ll see what else shakes out. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 08:34, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

And another [[7]] Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:30, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Moved

Ho hum. Up to you whether you want to re-restore it or ignore it. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:18, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

After the fallout last time, I'm not touching Vietnamese diacritics with a bargepole. I'll stick to languages with which I have at least a passing familiarity, thanks all the same. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:20, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

No worries. 光陰矢のごとし, and pingponging districts around doesn't merit the minutes. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:33, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

グルーチョ? Yunshui 雲‍水 09:36, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

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McDoyle massacre

Thanks for deleting the hoax; suspect perpetrator may have done others under different names (outside Australia where I am unlikely to look). IP address check, perhaps? Regards Crusoe8181 (talk) 09:00, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Not from me I'm afraid; I don't have a checkuser hat. Fishing expeditions aren't really mandated by the CU policy, but you could always ask one of these guys if they'd be willing to take a look. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:07, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Glenda Cloughley

Hi,

You requested speedy deletion of the wikipedia article I made on Glenda Cloughley.

The reason for creating the page in the first place is that Glenda Cloughley wrote the music that was sung at Australia (and quite possibly the world's) first flash mob.

On March 18 2003, in protest over the Government's decision to enter the war in Iraq 150 women entered Parliament House in Canberra, scattered and then at a signal, sang a song written for the occasion by Glenda Cloughley and Judith Clingan [18]. The incident made national television and radio news.

The flash mob in Parliament House has become an important part of the history of the Australian Parliament House, as reflected in their own website http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/rp/RP0708/08rp29

The repercussions of the concert were multiple and Australia wide. The next time some of the women from this original group sang in Parliament House, they were forbidden to sing any songs relating to personal or political freedoms', Chorus complied with the ban and used purple scarves to gag words of songs relating to ‘personal or political freedoms' This action received national media coverage. The Department head and Speaker of the House, Neil Andrew, said a mistake had been made and that such a restriction would not be made in future. This was a significant incident in the ongoing issue of freedom of speech in Australia.

Glenda Cloughley's contributions as a composer have made important contributions to Australia both culturally and politically and deserve recognition in Wikipedia.

The article I began was a stub, and would be developed further, but I hope you will agree, deserves to be there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiriel (talk • contribs) 01:29, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Okay; I've restored it in your userspace at User:Kiriel/Glenda Cloughley. There are a few problems with the page besides the notability issue - we do not host articles on people who are only known in the context a single event, and full song lyrics should not be quoted in articles. Assuming that you can show Cloughey is notable for more the just the protest mentioned above, though, and provide sources backing up that claim, the article can be kept. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:42, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks: I have done more work on the page, and added appropriate sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiriel (talk • contribs) 13:32, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

It's still not great, I'm afraid - of the sources, only the original Parliament House one is really usable (interviews are considered primary (non-independent) sources, the same goes for the CoW songbook, event listings aren't considered to be significant coverage, the ACT DoE document doesn't mention Cloughley at all, and the Kate Rigby source is a passing reference only). You can move it back to article space if you wish - there's probably enough there now to avoid deletion under A7 again - but if someone takes it into their head to nominate it for deletion through AFD, I have to say I'd expect to see it removed again. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:42, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to join Wikiproject Conflict Resolution

Wikipedia:WikiProject Conflict Resolution.--Amadscientist (talk) 09:48, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

This looks like an interesting and probably much needed project. I'll give it some thought. Out of curiosity, how do you see this project dovetailing/overlapping with WP:DRN and WP:3O - what can we do with this new project that isn't already covered by the pre-existing DR process? Yunshui 雲‍水 09:53, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

This is geared towards coduct/conflict that may or may not involve content. Could be for more than three editors to encourage WP:3O be used first and clear content disputes would be refered to WP:DRN in the same basic way DR/N refers disputes of sources to the RS noticeboard etc.--Amadscientist (talk) 10:00, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

So a bit like a rebooted WP:WQA (no bad thing, IMHO) which could also serve as a clearing house for disputes requiring specific boards (eg. WP:COIN, WP:DRN etc.)? That sounds like a project I could get behind. It might also take some of the pressure off ANI, which would be a bonus. Do you have a particular conflict resolution process in mind (noticeboard, disputation templates, multi-signatory agreement etc)? I realise that it's a work in process, so I don't expect you to turn out fully-formed solutions; just curious as to how you see it developing. And yeah, having given it a bit of cogitation, I reckon I'm in. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:09, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Different in that this is not for assistance when you begin to have a civility issue, but for conflicts that have reached some further criteria like DR/N does, such as having an extensive discussion we would require the same and that it be a dispute that is or has now become, mainly conduct and conflict. I want to avoid civility itself as a standard, but mayber "severe and extensive incivility".--Amadscientist (talk) 10:16, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I think I see what you're getting at. So the remit is basically "non-content disputes" (including non-content issues raised tangentially within content disputes)? Yunshui 雲‍水 10:20, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

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WTF ISD TH POINT

IN REMOVING TALK PAGE ACCESS JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE IT GROW UP AND UNBOCK ME I DID NOT CONTINUE WITH THE THREATS BUT YOU DID MY DEAR UNBLOCK MY TALK PAGE AND THEN APPLOGOISE FOR HUMAN RIGHT INFRINGMENT — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.22.82.168 (talk) 13:09, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

As I said, read WP:GAB and file an unblock request through UTRS. Your current approach, is, frankly, only going to damage your case. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:16, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Adoption School Progress

Hi Yunshui, sorry I've been away for a little while, but I have completed new tasks on my User:PMChi/Adoption school page.PMChi (talk) 22:00, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Marked and passed, well done! Yunshui 雲‍水 08:26, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination

Hello! Your submission of Template:Did you know nominations/Harka Gurung at the Did You Know nominations page is not complete; see step 3 of the nomination procedure. If you do not want to continue with the nomination, tag the nomination page with {{db-g7}}, or ask a DYK admin. Thank you. DYKHousekeepingBot (talk) 13:10, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Careless of me; now fixed. Thanks you, helpful bot! Yunshui 雲‍水 13:13, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Funny, and a request.....

Wikipedia:How many Wikipedians does it take to screw in a lightbulb?, and now the request....I will be away for the weekend; would you mind keeping half an eye on Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, a page I fully protected; it is about the right to arm bears, or something ;) (I just wanted to use that phrase for a long time). If not, it will be ok too, I gave a week of full protection. Cheers and thanks in advance. Lectonar (talk) 22:06, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Whilst I'd be glad to, I'm rarely online much at weekends, and won't be about much tomorrow, either. I'll cast a glance that way if I'm around, but you may want a few more eyeballs. Also, grrr... Yunshui 雲‍水 22:13, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

My phrase is from Jasper Fforde, The Fourth Bear. And I always loved Yogi bear, and boubou (?). And my thanks. Lectonar (talk) 23:26, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Airlift glitch

Hi there, although the article was an utter crap, I doubt A7 applies here. real person/animal/organization/web content/organized event - the content of the article did not fit any of these categories. --PlanetEditor (talk) 03:55, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Hack in online game = web content. Seemed pretty clear to me. Would you rather I wasted a week of everyone's time at AFD? Yunshui 雲‍水 05:46, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. It is weird why this thought did not come into my mind when I AfD'ed it. --PlanetEditor (talk) 09:35, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Harka Gurung

The DYK project (nominate) 09:03, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Post on Wikipedia:Administrator review/Yunshui

• Remove admin flag. This admin blocked me for the first time in six years of my useful work. Without any talks, without any warnings, without any analyze of the situation. For technically "3RR violation". But Reverting vandalism not counted as reverts for the purposes of 3RR. I was blocked for reverting of vandalism without blocking of real vandal. It was removal of two relevant templates without any real reasons: [8] [9] [10] [11] Four vandal reverts, no? With two reverts using sockpuppetry ip with insults: [12] [13] I just reverted that removals. But real vandal was not blocked, only my account. He renamed the aricles [14] [15] without discussion by moving text! NickSt (talk) 15:22, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

It look as though you've mistaken admin review for some kind of complaints procedure; I'm afraid that the only person likely to take any notice of messages posted there is actually me (and I don't intend to desysop myself for what I regarded at the time as a textbook 3RR block). As it transpires, you were in fact correct, though if you'd noted in your edit summaries or unblock appeals that you were reverting a sockpuppet of a blocked user I wouldn't have blocked you at all. I do apologise, though; your edits were exempt from 3RR, although I could not have known it at the time. If you genuinely want to pursue a case for removing my administrative rights, you would need to file a case with ArbCom. I wouldn't advise it (it would surprise me if they even accepted the case), but you are welcome to do so if you feel that I abused my admin tools. Yunshui 雲‍水 19:22, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Taking a quick flip through what Nick has claimed to be unreasonable tool usage, I think Yunshui has the upper hand here; I don't see how Yunshui has done anything wrong, provided the information at hand. By no means are warnings necessary to provide grounds for an admin to block a user. Kevin12xd (contribs) 00:47, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

About User Nidsn

Hey Yunshui, I don't mean to be rude or mean to you but I noticed you gave a warning to a new user on his talk page. The warning said it was his only warning and if he used Wikipedia for soapboxing, promotion or advertising again, he may be blocked from editing without further notice. This worries me because of Wikipedia's Do not bite the newcomers policy and that he only created an article of that sort only once. I do not think such a warning was necessary. Again, I do not mean to be rude or mean to you. I've come across your edits many times and I see that you're a very helpful editor and administrator. :) XapApp (talk) 02:32, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

In most cases, I'd agree with you, and in cases where there's any doubt, I generally leave a welcome message and/or a {{uw-bizlist}} warning. However, when a user creates a new page called "I want tp [sic] post ad" with advertising content so blatant that it doesn't even make an attempt to masquerade as an article, then it's pretty clear that they ain't here for anything productive. In cases like that, I believe the most efficacious route for all parties is a 4im warning - it stops them wasting their time creating untenable content, and stops us wasting our time clearing it up. So I make no apology for that one; there's no way the person behind that page had any intention of building an encyclopedia, and if they aren't here for that purpose, they shouldn't be here at all. Didn't take your post as either mean or rude, by the way; you're trying to protect new editors and I respect and condone that, so no offense taken - I appreciate your candour. Yunshui 雲‍水 19:14, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

Hello Yunshui, I will be celebrating my birthday on 19 March. So, I would like to give you a treat. If you decide to "eat" the cookie, please reply by placing {{subst:munch}} on my talk page. I hope this cookie has made your day better. Cheers! Arctic Kangaroo 15:51, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Mail

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Yes, I am crying but happy, gobsmacked, I can't believe this, type tears this time! SagaciousPhil - Chat 17:32, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Little treat ;)

Hello Yunshui, March 20 marks the nth year of my conception. Thus, I would like to treat you to a treat. I know, we had to cut costs. So just make do with water. ;) Cheers, ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 12:19, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Coincidentally enough, I just realised today that Arctic Kangaroo's birthday is behind mine by just one day! ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 12:39, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, that's certainly refreshing. Happy birthday. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:56, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

The article Alla Kigel

I'm sorry. I'm still working on it. I'm found a lot of references I just trying to figure it out how to put them in. For example this is some of the websites I'm looking to put in as a references: http://www.krugozormagazine.com/archive/2008.9.html ::http://www.playbill.com/news/article/56891-Chekhov-Now-Now-Festival-of-Russian-Writers-Works-Ends-Nov-19 http://feb-web.ru/feb/lermenc/lre-::abc/ Iaroslavny (talk) 15:07, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm literally shutting my computer down now, but I'll take a look later tonight if I can. Yunshui 雲‍水 15:09, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Done I've done it (you can catch more beauty sleep, Yunshui!). I couldn't insert the third reference because it led to a deadlink; a 404 Error. Cheers! Kevin12xd (contribs) 00:24, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Kevin, that's tremendously helpful - much appreciated! Iaroslavny, rather regrettably I'm afraid you're still going to need to dig up some additional sources - the Krugozor Magazine article is reasonably extensive, but as it's an interview it doesn't really count as third-party coverage; and the Playbill page is only a passing mention; to be honest, I wouldn't even bother leaving that one in. You need sources that are not Alla Kigel which talk in detail about Alla Kigel - her own words or mentions of her in otherwise unrelated pieces are not sufficient. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:39, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Quick question

Hi Yunshui, I very bravely moved a draft article from user space by trying to follow the instructions here. It seems to have eventually worked okay. However, when I did the move, it had an automatic template for it to be reviewed, which I can understand but I've seen loads of articles/stubs at DYK that seem to have been moved/created without acquiring templates. I'm hoping that I will have time to finish working on this much more extensive draft soon and, once ready, I want to do a DYK for it, probably about the Admiral keeping alligators in a bath (I suspect I just might have enough reviews to do a self nom ). Is there a way to move it without having the sleepless night worrying about whether it will be reviewed (and the template removed) in time for a DYK? Apologies - this question has ended up not being very quick after all and I know you are busy! PS: I'm just about to pinch your earwig user box! While you are playing about with them, you don't feel like doing one for peer reviewer/duplication detector (and being really cheeky, I use a 'template' style of thing for DYK reviews hidden here that I'm sure there must be an easier why of getting at rather than copy and paste all the time!) SagaciousPhil - Chat 10:25, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Sagaciousphil. The new page patrol process is separate from DYK - as far as I'm aware, there's no requirement for an article to have been reviewed by NPP before it goes to DYK. (It would be rather silly if there was, since DYK is one of the few time-limited processes on Wikipedia, and NPP is - well, not always that quick.) So I don't think you need to worry; as long as you get your nom in within five days of the article moving to mainspace (you can tinker with it indefinitely in userspace beforehand) there shouldn't be an issue.

Help yourself to my userboxes by all means; I'll knock up peer review and DD ones for you shortly. I use my userpage as a repository for all my useful links and shortcuts (including a fair few userboxes), you might want to stick a link to your DYK page on yours (especially since you do such a lot of work in that area). Yunshui 雲‍水 07:47, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

User:Havenhurst Books

Since there is in fact a company by that name (a predatory vanity press), I do wish you'd suggested that he change it to "Havenhurst Bibliophile" or something. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:55, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

I reckoned his User:TheYamMan choice seemed okay (we've got a The Yam and a Yam on our books, but he's unlikely to get confused with them). I do absolutely loathe vanity publishers like Havenhurst; not only do they screw over their authors more often than not, but they dilute the book trade with (let's face it) some pretty abysmal crap. Every now and then I assume there must be the occasional gem, but personally I've yet to see anything come out of such a publishing house that wasn't unabashed excreta. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:54, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of my article Ashish Bisht

Can I knw what went wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pratik12951 (talk • contribs)

Your article made no claim for the significance of the subject - nothing in it indicated that Bisht is any more than a jobbing model. In the absence of any sources, that is sufficient to delete the page under speedy deletion criterion A7. Wikipedia does not strive to have an article about anybody and everybody - if Bisht meets the criteria set out here, and if sources can be provided that show he does, then we can have an article on him. If not, he doesn't meet the inclusion requirements. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:36, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

I was about to give references but before that you deleted the page. i have written almost three article as new start including this out which i have got deletion nomation for one more article but it was not deleted that soon. Time was given. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pratik12951 (talk • contribs) 13:43, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Please undo the deletion and spare some time for the same especially the references.

I am very dubious (nothing usable in Google News or Google Books, lots of useless self-published vanity pages, plus the fact that another admin has declined it at WP:REFUND), but in the interests of fairness, I've userfied it for you; it can be found at User:Pratik12951/Ashish Bisht. Please don't put it back in mainspace until you've satisfied the requirements of either WP:GNG or WP:NMODEL. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:10, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Incidentally, I have also removed the photo and listed it for deletion at Wikimedia Commons - it is a promotional shot taken by a professional photographer who has not released it for free reuse. Your upload of it was therefore a copyright violation - please read the Image Use policy thoroughly before uploading any more pictures, of Bisht or anything else. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:20, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

you have written you hardly go on commons still u had time to go and put allegation on that picture? That picture I have taken from the real profile of Ashish, himself. It does not violates the photographer's copyright. It is written 'This Image is a private property, misuse is prohibited'. I have not misused and I have taken it rightfully from his own real profile. besides you are talking as if you know that photographer personally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pratik12951 (talk • contribs) 14:28, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

I don't know the photographer, I know our licensing policy and the way in which professional photographers license their work, and the two are not compatible.

You may not use copyrighted images that you find on the internet on Wikipedia. Doing so is a violation of the original photographer's copyright. This is basic stuff - if you do not understand the legal ramifications involved, then either educate yourself (read the relevant policies) or avoid uploading images altogether. If you do it again, you will be blocked from editing. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:36, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

... and

TY to you as well Yunshui for bringing the Evan thing to the community - I always like to see someone get back in. — Ched :  ?  11:31, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes - as you said, everyone loves that block button, but nobody likes its undervalued little brother, "unblock user". Let's see how Evan goes; he's got a ton of admin eyeballs on him now, so he should get any help that he needs pretty quickly. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:35, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Are you kidding me?

So, I edit-conflicted with you on that question at the Teahouse, and you said almost word-for-word exactly the same thing as I did; even down to the Prisoner reference! get out of my head, dude Writ Keeper (t + c) 15:23, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

I've heard that great minds think alike - that being so, you should be giving serious thought to a mug of cocoa and a cheese sandwich right about now... Yunshui 雲‍水 19:27, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

RfA

Hi Yunshui, Being the insane person you know I am, I've decided that I'd like to take another leap into the framework of Wikipedia. As the headline suggests, I may or may not apply for my first RfA tommorow, depending on what you say. Here's some text to justify my reasons for my sudden RfA advice request (I've broken it down into 3 categories):
1. Vandalism removal: I have done a bit of work in vandal-fighting, and it's always nice to see some justice being brought to the vandal. I enjoy monitoring AIV interactions with admins to see how long it takes for the report to start being helpful (and the answer is not very long). Admins make very clear points on why the vandal was blocked. I am starting to see that what I have previously stated to the vandal has been repeated by the admin - a sign that I've matured my understanding of blocking policies.
2. Policy understanding: I have spent numerous hours exploring Wikipedia's more hidden policies, as well as, of course, the more major policies. I've familiarized myself with the IAR policy, and know when to apply it. I can recite the Five Pillars. I know when vandalism is vandalism and not a good-faith edit. I can do a lot more regarding policies, but I think I'll stop there.
3. What I'd like to do: I would like to do more than block and unblock users on Wikipedia; I would take pride in reviewing unblock requests, deleting pages, protecting pages, and granting rights to users. Those would be the main destination for my admin tools. By all means, I wouldn't forget to assume good faith and take great caution when using the tools.

Please review these points; and give me an ultimate response as to whether I should make the request (or take another look at WP:NOTNOW). Thanks, and cheers, Yunshui! Kevin12xd (contribs) 23:25, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Kevin. I do so hate to be the one who rains on your parade...

You won't pass RFA if you run now. Sorry to be blunt, but it just wouldn't happen. RFA voters expect to see a hell of a lot more than just competent anti-vandalism work (in fact, my own RFA picked up an oppose !vote (later struck) because one !voter felt that there were already enough admins working in anti-vandalism). Becuase the admin tools come as a comprehensive package (you can't just get some of them), the community needs to know that you've fully conversant with most, if not all, of the areas that admins work in. That includes, among others, anti-vandalism, speedy deletion, AFD, dispute resolution, copyright issues, sockpuppetry, page moves, RFCs, page protection, pending changes, edit notices, template maintenance and many others. You need to show - not say - that you understand these areas: your CSD log should be hundereds of pages long, not seven (and about 85%+ should be red); you need to vote in 50+ AFD discussions, not five (and your !vote should match the closing consensus at least 80% of the time); you need to spend some time at dispute resolution, helping other users and demonstrating your understanding of policy; you need to file more than two reports at WP:RPP to show that you know how protection works... Basically, you need to diversify - we know you can do anti-vandalism, but you need to be able to do a lot more to pass RFA.

Ironically, the one area in which admins don't get any special gadgets - content creation - is also usually a major deciding factor. In my RFA nomination, Worm described me as "not a prolific content creator"; I had about 70 created articles to my name at the time. He was right - I'm not a particularly great content creator, and I ran for adminship on other grounds - but the fact that 70+ created articles (including at least one GA and numerous DYKs) is considered "not prolific content creation" should give you an idea of the minimum level of content building work you need to do to impress RFA !voters. At present, you have two article creations, one a stub, the other barely Start-class. You will need to do more than this to get through RFA - either take a few existing articles to GA or FA status largely single-handed, or create a decent number of new pages which meet all the usual content guidelines (and chuck them up for DYK or peer review too).

The other major non-technical factor that people consider is your demeanour towards other users. If there's evidence of you getting into heated discussion and keeping your cool, of helping new users learn the ropes, or of calmly resolving disputes, that all counts in your favour. Spend a bit more time at the Teahouse giving advice (make sure it's the right advice!), check Category:Wikipedians looking for help to see if anyone needs assistance, hang out at the helpdesk and offer your services. Add measured, impartial, policy-based contributions to disput resolution discussions, or take one of the cases at WP:3O and help the participants reach a compromise. Get involved with the community - they're the ones that will make or break your RFA, after all.

I won't go on; I believe much of this is stuff you've heard from me before anyway. One thing I would suggest is that you start an Editor Review for yourself (similar to the administrator review I have at the top of my userpage). Leave it open for at least six months or so, to get a decent spread of opinions - you should get some useful feedback, and ER is often a good yardstick by which to gauge your suitibility for RFA. I'd really advise against putting yourself up for RFA directly at this point; it won't end well. All the best (and sorry to be so verbose!). Yunshui 雲‍水 09:22, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Neurobiology course

Hello Yunshui,

This is Sammy Traverso, from marquette university and the electroneuromyography article. I am not 100% sure what is going on but from what I have heard, Noah copied something from my sandbox and put it in something else on wikipedia. Is this right? At the beginning, I gave all three other partners my username and password to my account and said that they could all work on it form there. I was not aware that this would cause a problem and I am very sorry about this. If there is anything that I need to do PLEASE, let me know. Even though I do not fully understand what happened, I am sorry that you have to clean up our mess. Anyways, I am very sorry again and if there is anything that I need to do, let me know. When you are ready, we are almost ready to go live. all we have to do if fix the graph, and a few loose ends here and there but these should be ready by tomorrow. Just let us know what we need to do

--Sammyt21 (talk) 02:19, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Hey Yunshui! My group (Aicardi-Goutieres Syndrome) went live with our article this evening. Afterwards Dr. Mynlieff sent out an email about issues with copying and pasting. We copied and pasted most of ours on. I don't quite understand what the issues are. To me, our article appears to be fine but then again I don't understand the finer points of Wikipedia like you do. Could you look at it and help us if there is anything amiss? LDNeurobio — Preceding unsigned comment added by LDNeurobio (talk • contribs) 02:31, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi guys. Don't worry, it's not the disaster you might think. Basically, the problem arises from the fact that copy-pasting the text lists only one user in the history of the live article - so although several people may have worked on the sandbox, all of their work is attributed only to the person who copied it into the article. In essence, copy-paste moves mean that you end up taking credit for other people's work (although we're well aware that that's not what was intended here). There are a few solutions to the problem, the most appropriate of which is history merging the pages. This isn't a procedure I've performed before, and given its complexity (and the potential for absolute chaos if it goes wrong!) I'm going to ask around for a more experienced administrator to help me out with it; hopefully I'll have someone else on board by the end of today. As far as you guys are concerned, though, it's no big deal - carry on editing the live articles as though nothing had happened, and leave it to us to sort out the behind-the-scenes stuff. At worst, Dr. Mynlieff will have to review your work in the sandboxes as well as the article content, but hopefully we'll have fixed the problem before she marks your contributions anyway. All the best, Yunshui 雲‍水 08:15, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Hey Yunshui! I am working on the Grinker myelinopathy article for this neurobiology course. Before moving our draft over from my user subpage to the official Grinker Myelinopathy page, there was a short paragraph written on this page. This information is not completely accurate and I was hoping to remove or replace it. Am I able to simply do so or must I request permission from the original author? Also, thanks for all the help in cleaning up my citations! Alphabetfood (talk) 22:30, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Since (last time I checked) you are the only person to have edited your draft, you can just copy and paste the text into the existing article, overwriting what's already there. That'll retain the existing edits in the article's history (which is required) but the visible article will be entirely your work. Yunshui 雲‍水 22:34, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! Alphabetfood (talk) 22:39, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

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Histmerges

Hi Yunshui. I do histmerges all the time, typically in the context of SPI (which I see you've recently joined as a clerk trainee, by the way, thanks for the help). The easiest way to do this would be to merge all the sandboxes into one page before moving it to the article. Basically, delete a sandbox, move another sandbox over it, then delete the new one. Move, delete, repeat. Once you have all the sandboxes at one title, restore the revisions you want to keep (perhaps you'll only want to keep the final of sequential revisions from the same user, to keep down on the history clutter, or you want to restore all revisions - up to you). Now restored, you have a chunk of the article history that you want to move to a new page. Delete that page, move the metasandbox over it, and delete it again. Then once again, restore everything you want to keep. Perhaps you want to leave out the edits to the page that caused the whole problem in the first place, and keep only the original article, the sandbox edits, and some final version. Now that I look back on my explanation, it is complicated! Well, until the WMF deploys a revision-move extension to Wikipedia, this is what we're stuck with. Someguy1221 (talk) 10:11, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

That explanation actually sort of... makes sense, amazingly. Thank you so much. Let me check that I've understood you correctly, using an example:

• Much of the content of Electromyoneurography is taken from User:Sammyt21/"electroneuromyography" outline, which was copied over in this edit.
• To fix it, I would first delete Electromyoneurography (using G6, presumably), and then move User:Sammyt21/"electroneuromyography" outline to the title "Electromyoneurography"
• Then I delete the page Electromyoneurography again.
• Then I restore the page, and in doing so, have access to all of the revisions from both pages - I select the revisions to keep from this list and restore them.

And that's it? That looks remarkably easy; am I missing something here? Yunshui 雲‍水 10:19, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Yup, that's it. I didn't realize the three editors were working on a communal draft. That makes this quite easy. Someguy1221 (talk) 10:23, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

↑ That was the easy one... Still thank you very much for the explanation; you've managed to help me understand the process in a single paragraph, whilst reading WP:HISTMERGE just made my brain go all dribbly. Looking at your description, not only does the process now make sense (in that I understand how it works), but it's a lot simpler than I thought too. Thanks a million - I'll start sorting things out. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:28, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

I'm glad I could help. Good luck. Someguy1221 (talk) 10:32, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Right, before I go ahead and do any more, would you mind just checking the current state of Electromyoneurography? I've performed the procedure above (hopefully correctly) so fingers crossed it should all be sorted - it certainly looks to have worked, but I'd like a second opinion. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:38, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Oops, it looks like you made a bit of a mess of that one - those were parallel versions, which can't be history merged, because then you end up with diffs like this one which make it look like poor Noahgford deleted half the article while using a misleading edit summary... the thing to do in this situation would have been to leave the sandbox where it was and use the {{copied}} template on the talk page to make it clear what was copied from where. Basically, if there are parallel versions, you have to merge, rather than history merge. Merging does mean that the sandbox can't be deleted any more, but it can always be moved to a talk subpage or something if the user doesn't want it in their userspace. Hope this makes sense, and let me know if you have more questions. Best — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 14:34, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Dammit, I knew it seemed too straightforward... Okay, I screwed the pooch on this one; how best to fix it?

I'm keen to avoid using {{copied}} if I can - at some point, the course instructor will need to mark her student's work, and it's going to make her job substantially easier if all of the edits are on the same page. Looking at it, it doesn't seem that there's any alternative for parallel versions - surely someone must have come up with a fix for this by now?

Oh, and would you be kind enough to also check Aicardi–Goutières syndrome as well; I may well have royally cocked that up too. Facepalm of shame. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:44, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

You have successfully performed a history merge! Enjoy your well deserved cookie. Someguy1221 (talk) 10:41, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Dribbly brain syndrome

Funnily enough I get affected by that particular syndrome all the time - maybe it's so virulent it manages to infect people even via computers? Boy, that's scary! I'm doing a bit of butting in here but it looks like you have students with medical expertise? I don't know if you have seen it but there is a DYK nomination which has been sitting for a while that needs a reviewer with some medical knowledge - do you know if any of them may be able to help as it's beyond my dribbly brain? I'm also going to be a tad ungrateful and say my peer reviewer userbox is supposed to point to the nifty little gadget [16] here!!! I know - how awful to whinge about help given so readily! SagaciousPhil - Chat 10:48, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

I reckon they're probably a tad preoccupied at present (today is their deadline for live articles!), but I'll have a look at the DYK myself (and ask someone more medically knowledgable if I can't figure it out). Userbox link should be fixed now. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:52, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

I see the problem with the DYK - basically, the page creator's used a load of media sources, which aren't credible enough for medical articles. Articles on medicine have stricter rules regarding sources. I'd suggest pointing the nominator at WikiProject Medicine to ask for assistance; the folk there are usually very happy to help! Yunshui 雲‍水 10:55, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much! PS: the SuperAdmin T-shirt looks extremely fetching today! SagaciousPhil - Chat 10:58, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Live page

Hello again Yunshui,

I logged out of my account and noticed that the page was live. So from now on, when we need to make changes to our work, we do so right on the live article? is this correct? I want to make sure so that we don't mess anything up again.

Sincerely, --Sammyt21 (talk) 11:45, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Don't sweat it; you didn't mess anything up (and I learned a new trick in the process, so everyone's a winner!). I'd suggest that you and your group focus on the live article from now on - you can't break it; worst case scenario is that someone reverts your changes and you have to talk to them about it, which is all part of the Wikipedia experience. If you run into anything you don't understand, just drop me a note and I'll explain/resolve/delete/explode the problem as necessary. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:50, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Rajkumaryadav123 (talk · contribs)

Just to let you know, user is back to the same behavior after the block has expired. — Abhishek  ^Talk 14:42, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Nothing exceptionally heinous yet - not knowing how to format stuff isn't a crime. I'll throw the occasional glance his way, though. Cheers for the notice. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:49, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Trouble with moving a page

Hi Yunshui. I am in the processes of trying to move our draft page User:Isetm13/distal spinal atrophy type I Draft and I am running into some issues. First, I think I already moved it to a new article page, Distal Spinal Muscular Atrophy Type I. Then I realized this was not the stub-page already created for this disorder so I tried to move the article to the already existent sub-page which is Distal spinal muscular atrophy type 1, however I misspelled "muscular" and another new page was created, on accident. I was wondering how to move our draft to the already existent sub-page, Distal spinal muscular atrophy type 1? I read the link you posted but I am still having trouble. Any suggestions? Please and thank you! Isetem13 (talk) 20:18, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

I just undid all the page moves I had previously done. However, when I tried to move the article to the article page which already exists, Distal spinal muscular atrophy type 1, an error page occurred which stated that I needed to request a move or have an administrators help. Thank you.Isetem13 (talk) 20:24, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Isetem13. No problem - here's what you do:

• Copy-and-paste (yes, I know I said that was a bad idea, don't worry!) the text from your sandbox into the article.
• On the article's talkpage at the top, add the following code:

{{Copied |from=User:Isetm13/distal spinal atrophy type I Draft|from_oldid=http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Isetm13/distal_spinal_atrophy_type_I_Draft&oldid=546405231 |to=Distal spinal muscular atrophy type 1 |diff=???}}

• Replace the ??? with the URL of the diff you used to add the text (by which I mean: after you've added the text, go to the article's View history tab, click "prev" next to the top edit (which should be yours, if it isn't, choose yours instead), copy the URL of the resulting page from your browser's address bar, and paste it into the template code above)

And you're done. In other news, I've deleted and/or relocated all of the extra pages you created; everything's pristine now. If you have any trouble with the above, just copy the text over, let me know, and I'll sort the template out for you. Yunshui 雲‍水 22:13, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Yunshui - you are a life saver! Thank you so much! You explain process on Wikipedia very well! Again, thank you very much!Isetem13 (talk) 00:10, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

questions while trying to move page

Hello, Yunshui, I am in the process of trying to move our group's wikipedia page. I followed the directions that you sent our class from this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Move

At first, i tried to replace the page and it said that I wasnt able to because the page already exists here ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternating_hemiplegia

so when renaming the page, I capitalized the "H" in hemiplegia and here is our new page..., but Im assuming that I did that wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternating_Hemiplegia

Any suggestions? Please and thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MACKXIMUS (talk • contribs) 01:37, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

This actually might be a good histmerge candidate; they're on the same topic, and the most recent edit to hemiplagia is twelve days older than the first edit to Hemiplagia. After putting the navbox and relevant portions of the text back into the article (just by copying from old revisions; no admin tools needed), it would be done, in my opinion; I would do it right now if I weren't aware that this was being done for a class, since I don't want to cause confusion for you or the instructor. Nyttend (talk) 18:53, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi MACKXIMUS. The problem arises because you can't move a page to a title that already exists. I admire your inventiveness in changing the capitalisation to enable the move, but as you've guessed, that's not the optimum solution. Since there's no overlap in the edit histories, I should be able to histmerge it for you - give me five minutes... Yunshui 雲‍水 18:55, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Took longer than I thought thanks to real life interventions, but it's done now. I've incorporated the text of the previous version as a lead paragraph, you may wish to edit this to better reflect your additions. Yunshui 雲‍水 19:04, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome (and sorry for the ECs); I saw the thread at WP:AN and was curious to see if the students came here to tell you about pages, since I was curious what they were. Your comments regarding being fearful about histmerges were the only reason I sounded slightly condescending; in any other circumstance, I would have said "What about a histmerge?" or something like that. Nyttend (talk) 20:19, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Re: Derogatory nickname on Henrik Sedin's page

You say that the nickname is sourced. Did you actually read the source? Henrik Sedin plays in Vancouver Canucks. In an interview on a Chicago radio talk show with the Chicago Blackhawks forward Dave Bolland (opposing teams!), they called the Sedins "sisters", obviously to belittle them. The Vancouver Sun merely notes that this happened. I fail to see how that is acceptable or even a good source for something like this in a BLP. (Nymf editing logged out.) 79.136.126.106 (talk) 11:26, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Nymf. Yes, I took a look at the source before making a decision. It shows quite clearly that the term was used by Kaplan and Bolland, so whilst I'd take issue with the IP's wording (it's not clear that the twins are "commonly referred to" as "sisters") and indeed with the encyclopedic necessity of such a statement, I don't interpret it as a blatant violation of WP:BLP. Certainly I don't consider it sufficient to lock the article down, at least not without seeing some evidence of discussion on the article's talkpage. I've nothing against seeing the phrase removed - I agree that it doesn't have a place in the article - but I don't believe page protection is the way to go about it. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:38, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Having taken another look at the IP editor's work, though, I will be keeping a close eye on his edits - there's a definite theme emerging; mildly defamatory material which is exaggerated from the statements made in the cited sources, edit warring to retain said material, reverting your edits specifically with baseless accusations of vandalism... if this sort of behaviour continues, I don't see him having much of a future here. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:46, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. That is what I gather too, hence the RPP request and me not having started a discussion regarding the edits yet. Can't reason with trolls. (Nymf editing logged out.) 79.136.126.106 (talk) 12:02, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Block scripts and templates and so on

Hi Yunshui,
I've just made my first block here, and I'm very much still taking baby steps as an admin. I notice there are neat little messages at User talk:Platinum Graphic, which I guess are generated by a script or something like that. I'm kind of stoopid when it comes to .js and .css thingumabobs. Could you possibly point me to the relevant scripts?
Thanks! Pete aka --Shirt58 (talk) 12:44, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Hey Pete. Congrats on the admin hat - suits you! I use Twinkle for most of my block messages - if you haven't used it for editing, go enable it in your preferences, under the Gadgets tab (no need to faff around with your .js pages). The Twinkle menu that appears next to your search bar will have a whole slew of extra options now that you're all administrative and that - block messages are under the Warn menu. Alternatively, all of the standard block messages can be found here; just paste the appropriate template. But trust me, Twinkle makes it a hell of a lot easier (it also packs page protection and fast-track speedy deletion options as well).

Always happy to lend a hand if you need one in the first couple of weeks, but I'm confident you won't be needing training wheels for long. All the best, Yunshui 雲‍水 12:51, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Bah, I just edit-conflicted with you trying to say the exact same thing. :( — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 12:54, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Yet more evidence of my psychic admin powers. Bwahahaha, etc. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:56, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Requests for protection

Hi, Yunshui. I saw your decline of protection for the Henrik Sedin and Daniel Sedin articles, but I'm afraid I disagree. The nickname is obviously intended to be contemptuous, and the source is a quote from a Chicago radio talk show, as spoken by a Chicago Blackhawks player (who roundly declares he hates all Vancouver Canucks players) plus the host. Seems to be rather a one-time nickname from an opposing team! It's absurd to turn inter-team (more or less jocular?) hostility into "are commonly referred to as the Sedin sisters, by the media, fans, and other hockey players". Completely inappropriate in a BLP in my opinion. Unless you object strongly, I intend to protect the articles. Bishonen | talk 13:36, 25 March 2013 (UTC).

Go ahead, if you feel it's appropriate. No complaints from this quarter; as I said above, I'm not at all in favour of including the material. Woulnd't direct action against the IP (warning/blocking) be more effective than PP, though? It seems to be only the one editor inserting the material. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:40, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Aha, sorry I missed the above. The IP's edit summaries are bloody ridiculous, too. "You must be a misogynist to consider a female term, "sisters" to be derogatory", "unexplained revert by vandal" (referring to Nymf). I saw your warning on the IP's page, Yunshui; I hope it'll be sufficient. OK, I'll leave any protecting or blocking to you, then. (I don't know why Nymf called it a "hopping IP; it's even static, as far as I can see.) That'll allow me to edit the articles right now, hooray. :-) Bishonen | talk 14:15, 25 March 2013 (UTC).

Yeah, that last edit summary pushed the needle on my Troll-o-meter™ right up to the edge of the red zone... If you fancy removing the text in your newly-discovered "uninvolved" capacity, you'll hear no argument from me (though a faint cheer might float across the aether). Yunshui 雲‍水 14:19, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

No worries, Leech44's done the necessary. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:21, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

This is the IP that I was referring to when I said it was hopping. Both are "MTS Allstream Inc." IPs. Nymf _{talk to me} 18:37, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that edit. It's supposedly also a static IP, per this. Perhaps a couple of friends in Winnipeg editing collaboratively? But what do I know. Bishonen | talk 19:09, 25 March 2013 (UTC).

• I saw this, looked at the pages, and the IP had re-added the info using a different IP, so I've semi-d the pages for a week, hoping they get bored. I could be wrong - it could be those are the only IP's he's got - but I doubt it. Feel free to modify anything you want with the protection or lack of follow-through blocking. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:10, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Article Deletion Queries

Hi!

I'm aware that you have deleted an article I've posted earlier this week. With that said, is it permissible for me to ask for that article back? Although it was my first time writing something for the service, I admit that I haven't been able to completely read the guidelines. At the very least, I'm asking you to restore the deleted piece so as I can enact any changes needed to it immediately. Thank you very much.

Teamplayer4 (talk) 05:59, 26 March 2013 (UTC)Teamplayer4

Which page did you have in mind? I ended having to delete three or four articles you had created, since without exception they read as promotional pieces for non-notable companies. Frankly, having looked over the deleted edits again, I can't even see the point of userfying them - none of your submissions contain any text that might be salvagable. If it was completely rewritten, you might be able to make a case for an article on Johnny Wong's, based on the two reviews linked in the article (which, for your convenience, were this and this), but such an article would need to be entirely different to the previous version.

Before you try to create any more pages, please read - as a bare minimum - the inclusion requirements for companies, the guideline on promotional content and the guidance on writing style and tone. I would also strongly recommend that you submit future articles through Articles for creation, so that they can be reviewed and edited before being introduced to the encyclopedia. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:16, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I would try to pump out a more preferable draft in the meanwhile for Johnny Wong's. i really appreciate the feedback. Teamplayer4 (talk) 08:53, 26 March 2013 (UTC)Teamplayer4

Okay. A few tips, then:

• Don't include the menu, the takeaway service or the set meals - these apply to every Chinese restaurant in Britain.
• Use published reviews for information, not opinions.
• Focus on what makes Wong's unusual; why should it have an entry but not, say, Wang's Noodle Bar five doors up the road?
• Don't include contact details.
• Maintain a neutral tone - you are writing for an encyclopedia, not a business directory.
• Include reliable sources that talk about Wong's in some detail. Don't bother using directory listings like the Yellow Pages or passing mentions in articles about something else entirely.

I don't guarantee that the article will survive - personally I'd be surprised if a local Chinese takeaway could be shown to meet WP:CORP - but if you follow the above suggestions, you may at least be able to avoid having it deleted immediately. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:11, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

"Let's Hear it for America" Page Deletion

Hello Yunshui --

I see that you have deleted the "Let's Hear it for America" page. I would like to converse with you about your decision to do this, but it will likely take some time for me to compose my thoughts. A few things that I would ask you to consider:

1) This really happened. Granted, it was almost thirty five years ago, but every word that was in that article was written, in Vail, Colorado, between 1978 and 1979.

2) The history of establishing a Secretary of Peace in the U.S. Cabinet is replete with failures. That does not mean that this is not an idea that is worthy of note. People have been discussing this since 1793, and this is the 220th anniversary of the effort.

3) The basis upon which the idea of Let's Hear it for America was founded remains sound.

Perhaps I could ask a favor of you ... please describe to me under what circumstances you would agree that this merits being a part of Wikipedia? Should I put you in contact with people who were aware of its founding in the 1970s?

Please advise.

Thanks.

76.27.76.197 (talk) 14:55, 26 March 2013 (UTC) James Johnston, Alpine, Utah