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November 19

alpha with spiritus lenis?

Where can I find the greek letter alpha with spiritus lenis please? Special characters do not contain this combined sign... Thanx! HilmarHansWerner (talk) 02:00, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Selecting "Greek" in the drop-down box below the edit box gives various characters including ἀ and ἁ. They can also be made with ἀ and ἁ, or by copy-pasting them from somewhere. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:19, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

thank you, but a) with "drop down box below the edit box" you seem to mean the drop down menu below "special characters"; there I can NOT find the desired sign... b) there seems to be a problem if you work on an android tablet: I can see only boxes here where you entered your letters... in the edit-mode; in the normal view-mode I see nothing... c) can you please say where you found the code for the signs you gave?! and how do I implement the code so that I see the desired combined (!) sign (alpha with the spiritus above it) in the normal mode? thanks! HilmarHansWerner (talk) 14:44, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what Android users see but I wouldn't be surprised if they often have a more limited character set than typical PC users. If a character isn't in a character set then a program has to either ignore it or display something else, for example a box. I'm talking about below and not above the edit box. In a PC browser I see MediaWiki:Edittools below the edit box. That's where I select "Greek". I use the external site http://rishida.net/tools/conversion/ for character conversions. If I copy-paste ἀ to the "Characters" field and click "Convert" then "Decimal NCRs" shows ἀ. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:36, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

thanks a lot indeed! I'm now working with my PC and - low and behold - I can see the alphas... poor android... and now I also found where you toogle to "greek", i.e. in the drop down box that reads initially "insert"... and indeed: the character-set shown there on android is much more limited than on a PC. and the unicode-converter is a useful thing! :-) --HilmarHansWerner (talk) 21:06, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Changing/Updating page name

I am editing a page in which the organism named in the page name has been changed. In Edit mode I cannot change the main heading name.

The case in point: The organism Ommatoiulus moreletii has had a slight name change (to conform to rules of Zoological Nomenclature). The correct specific name is now moreleti (one 'i' has been dropped). How can I change this,please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pelidnoptera (talk • contribs) 02:00, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You have to move the page. See Wikipedia:Moving a page. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:22, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done, page moved to Ommatoiulus moreleti.--ukexpat (talk) 15:41, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Husband lives after being diagnosed with Acinar Cell Carcinoma of the Pancreas

Hi there, My husband at 37years was diagnosed with Acinar Cell Carcinoma of the Pancreas. On the 3/11/2013 he turned 60years. This tumor had evaded the duodenum and small bowel and encapsulated the main Aorta and two suspect places in the liver. He refuses Chemo and Radiation at the time. At the time of leaving hospital was given a 5% chance of living 1year and 1% chance of living 5years. Told we would have a 1% chance of having any more children. He beat both odds. Just thought this is good news for other patients. He was Looked after by a Team headed by Professor Nathan Gray. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.145.129.131 (talk) 05:10, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, we are indeed very happy for your husband! However, this is not the right place to put it. This page is for queries about editing Wikipedia only. Sorry about that. Darylgolden^(talk) 06:08, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Photo change

Hi How can I change a photograph? I would like to put a much better and more relevant photograph on the PENMYNYDD page! Thank you Angharad — Preceding unsigned comment added by Angharadholmes (talk • contribs) 10:11, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Where is the photograph you want to replace it with? And what is its copyright status? Maproom (talk) 10:47, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If it is a photo that you took, or where you are in contact with the copyright holder, you may upload it as long as the copyright holder agrees to licence it under a suitable licence: see donating copyright materials for details of how to do this. If it is copyright and you are not in contact with the copyright holder (which is the case for most images on the web), then you may not upload it. For details on uploading, see uploading images, and for using the uploaded photo in an article, see picture tutorial. --ColinFine (talk) 14:30, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Windows

In articles about windows OS such as vista, there is a box near the end showing the 'windows family' but the link to "Windows 9" links to something about NT which is confusing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.13.160 (talk) 10:26, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The link had been added to the template this morning, without explanation, & the target makes no mention of any "Windows 9", so I've reverted this mornming's change. Thanks for pointing it out. - David Biddulph (talk) 11:48, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delivery certificate

I sent 3 registered latter vaid s.no. ARU599246439,59924641,59924642 ON DATED 3.10.2013. KINDLY GIVE STATES — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.177.227.52 (talk) 11:21, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:51, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Creating a New Article

Morning All,

I work on behalf of two large Canadian insurance brands who are referenced several times throughout related Wikipedia pages but don't actually have articles of their own. These are both very well known companies but I don't want to create articles for them as my understanding is that it's against guidelines for someone affiliated with a company to create a page. Can I make a request here for someone else to write the article? Is it okay if I do it myself?

Of course it would be entirely non promotional. We could also provide all the facts/information needed in the same format of other non-promotional company pages.

Please let me know what the best way to proceed is.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.225.179.220 (talk) 15:24, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Generally speaking (and especially at the moment, when paid editing is something of a hot topic among Wikipedians) adding an article about a company you work for or are affiliated with is very strongly discouraged. The best course of action would be to submit the two companies at Requested articles, so that an uninvolved editor can take a look at them and write the appropriate articles. Yunshui 雲‍水 15:36, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to be aware of policies such as WP:COI etc, so a reasonable way forward is to create an account, state your COI and intent on your userpage, and then suggest/create the article at WP:AFC. Success is not guaranteed, but if the companies are very well known it should be possible. Please keep asking questions as necessary, either here or at WP:TEAHOUSE. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:42, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reading this might help: Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:44, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much for your reply - the companies are definitely very well known! Given that this is strongly discouraged would you recommend that I make the request rather than submit an article for consideration? I imagine Wikipedians enjoy creating content but don't want to put anyone out! How would WP:AFC differ from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Business_and_economics/Companies in terms of where to submit an article suggestion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.225.179.220 (talk) 15:58, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

test — Preceding unsigned comment added by Belairdirect-Grey Power (talk • contribs) 16:28, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I´ll give you my opinion, which is just that. Wikipedians like to create content of our own choosing, so I think going via WP:RA is less likely to accomplish something. Using WP:AFC and actually creating the article for consideration will probably give some result/response quicker. If you write a flowery ad it will not be accepted. Many Wikipedians (with good reason) might frown upon and be suspicious about what you write, but also reluctantly admit that at least in theory, an article created by you can be acceptable for inclusion, so it´s not actually FORBIDDEN that you try (I´m fairly certain I´m right about that). I hope this helps. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:05, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, I like the statement on your userpage. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:10, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

However, the user name does not comply with the relevant policy and will probably be blocked.--ukexpat (talk) 19:20, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Basically, using Requested articles is saying "here is an interesting subject, would someone please write an article on it for me?" while using Articles for Creation says "Here is a draft of an article, would you please look it over and tell me if it is good enough, and perhaps help me improve it?" You see the difference? DES ^(talk) 17:58, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Law Society of Ireland page

I'm looking for help to improve the quality and balance of the information on the Law Society of Ireland page - Law Society of Ireland I've uploaded suggested content with references on the Talk page for review but have received no feedback in 2 months. Due to COI, as I work for the organisation, I haven't made these changes myself. Some feedback or direction would be greatly appreciated! Thanks. FriendlyuserCP (talk) 16:14, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Advertisement on TV

I felt the need to contact Kmart regarding the recently released TV Christmas ad of "Jingle Balls". I've never been as disgusted or grossed out in my life as when watching this advertisement. You should be ashamed of yourselves for degrading the traditional, well known and loved holiday song. I don't know what you were thinking when you released such a trashy display representing your business. I can only hope that you pull this ad immediately from anymore viewers and an apology to the general public would be highly recommended to restore the stores integrity.

Happy holidays, Kathy Pelletier — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.117.13.192 (talk) 16:20, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:24, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We are in no way affiliated with KMart. Darylgolden^(talk) 23:52, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

New Wikipedia critic site

I am setting up a brand new Wikipedia critic site and I need permission to use your logos. The critic site will tell the public how Wikipedia is unreliable (by demonstrating how easy it is to edit) , link to articles with sexual images, etc. So for these purposes it will be highly appreciated if I could use the appropriate logos. Don't worry, all claims will be backed up with due evidence (plus we will store some screenshots should you decide to delete evidence). So, please allow us to do this...InSANITYreTURN (talk) 17:42, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This page is for questions about how to use and edit Wikipedia – so it's not the right place for your question. I don't know what is the right place. However, this may help. Maproom (talk) 19:52, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's the draft policy. The current policy is at: Foundation:Trademark policy.--ukexpat (talk) 21:56, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Red user names

I know that red links are for pages that don't exist; however how is it some users have red user pages or talk pages, how do you disable those? CensoredScribe (talk) 18:50, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, simply speaking, those links are red because their user pages or user talk pages don't exist (yet). The way to "fix" that is by creating their user page or talk page, but I would strongly recommend that you do not create a user's talk page just to turn a red link blue, and definitely do not do it for their user page. If they want a redlinked (i.e. nonexistent) userpage, that's their choice. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 18:53, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Or theoretically, since users can change the colors (as well as just about anything else) about their sig, they could make their sig so that it has proper links to their existing user page and talk page, but the color of those letters is in red). I don't think there is anything in policy against it, but it would be annoying.Naraht (talk) 18:58, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Mistake on John Huston page

In one place (early life) it says his first marriage lasted one year.

Further down (personal life?) it says it lasted 7 years.

Please pass this along to whoever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.205.27 (talk) 20:28, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I have changed the personal life section to say "This marriage ended after a year in 1926." [1] PrimeHunter (talk) 20:50, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This source says on page 38 they divorced in 1938 and this source seems to suggest Huston was 20 at the time of the marriage. So if that is correct the marriage lasted from 1926-1938, which makes 12 years. I can't confirm whether the second source really refers to the time of the marriage, as I can't get the Google Books snippet to scroll further down. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 21:14, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I found many sources saying they married in 1924 or 1925 and divorced in 1926, but now I also find many sources saying they married in 1926 or 1927 and divorced in 1933. The latter sources look more reliable. Your first link says 1933 and not 1938. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:16, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Huh, well, I must have mixed up the year and the page number. Was a long day yesterday .... -- Toshio Yamaguchi 21:26, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

November 20

Songs of Praise

In the article on the BBC program Songs of Praise there is a section entitled Assailant: The family of murder victim Billy Barclay criticised the programme for allowing his killer Garry Brotherston to appear on the show. On the programme, Brotherston said that he had "found God" while serving 11 years for Barclay's murder, and has now released an album.

This contributes nothing to the article but has been added as a personal attack on Mr Brotherstone. The tragic events of a gang fight 20 years ago really have no bearing on Songs of Praise. Mr Brotherstone served 11 years in prison for his crime which he committed as a teenager. The family of the victim are of course deeply hurt by such events, but the attempt to continually harass Mr Brotherstone should not be pursued through Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.9.192.202 (talk) 00:31, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This Help Desk is for questions about how to edit Wikipedia. This is a reasonable place to ask how to address a content issue about Songs of Praise. The answer is to discuss it on the article talk page, Talk:Songs of Praise. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:07, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia generally report events that are notable. If you think that this event is not sufficiently notable to be included into the article, you can use the talk page as was mentioned above. In this particular case mentioning this controversy especially in a separate section may not be justified indeed. Ruslik_Zero 03:20, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As the article was structured when you saw it, with a full stand alone section called "Assailant", it was not appropriate since it definitely gave too much emphasis to a single incident. I have changed the article to have a standard "Reception and impact" section that was missing, and included this incident amongst some of the other content of the same nature. Inclusion of the Brotherstone incident may still may be WP:UNDUE weight, or not, or it might be simply that we need to fill in more on the Reception and Impact since a program going for over 50 years has had more impact than is presently recorded in the article. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 04:45, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

On second review, given the fact that it was sources to the Daily Record tabloid (wow!) removal on that ground alone would be appropriate. And a google news search revealed no other hits so it definitely appears to be an incident of little note, so I have moved it to the talk page pending better coverage. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:21, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Project

Hello, I am working on the article Eratosthenes and I really want to clean up my citations that are placed in the notes section. I want to combine the sources that are used through out the article. As of right now when I cite the citation adds yet another note although I had used the same source earlier. Is there anyway I could be able to make these come together? I need to cite throughout, but I do not want to the bibliography/notes section to be repetitive! Thank youToothFairyJenny (talk) 04:40, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I believe you can use footnotes for that. Cheers! SwisterTwister talk 04:45, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed one of them for you, to give you an example of how to do it. Unfortunately I screwed up on my first attempt, so you will see that it took me two edits to get it right. (Basically the trick is to give a "name" to a reference -- you can then repeat it by giving the same name.) Looie496 (talk) 04:52, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In the cite menu on the edit window there is a label entitled Named references and has a clipboard. If you click that it you get a drop down of all the named references to make it easier for you. When you are putting in the reference through the template you can provide the name as well. XFEM Skier (talk) 05:06, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(e/c)see Wikipedia:CITE#Repeated_citations. rather than the <ref> tag at the start of the citation use <ref name="X"> then whenever you want to cite using that source again, rather than the full ref, you just use <ref name="X/"> (note the close slash at the end)-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 05:38, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

<ref name="X"/> would work better. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:47, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of Copyright Warning

I am having difficulty establishing copyright and licensing status for three images: File:General layout of an advanced inflow steam engine.png File:Uniflow Engine Section Details.png File:Constant Diameter Cylinder and Piston.png

Dan Gelbart, author, assigned these diagrams to the free license "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported" and GNU Free Documentation License. This authorization was sent on November 17, 2013 to permissions-en@wikimedia.org

However, a notice on the images states: "This file does not have information on its copyright and licensing status. Unless the copyright and licensing status is provided, the image will be deleted after Wednesday, 27 November 2013. Please remove this template if a correct copyright license tag has been added."

After Gelbart assigned the images to the Creative Commons, I re-uploaded the images, so they may be shown in the Wikipedia article Advanced Uniflow Steam Engine. I listed the images as Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported. I do not know how to add a correct copyright license tag. Can you help me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guy Immega (talk • contribs) 05:31, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~if the images are on commons, you can just link directly to them, don't bother uploading them to Wikipedia.~~ I misread your comment.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 05:40, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Since the images were previously deleted by Wikipedia editor Diannaa, I re-uploaded them after Gelbart assigned copyright to the commons. What do i do now to remove the copyright warning so the images will not be deleted again on 27 Nov? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guy Immega (talk • contribs) 06:21, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The owner of the copyright will need to follow the process outlined here WP:DONATEIMAGE. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 12:28, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The owner of the copyright, Dan Gelbart, DID send a message to permissions-en@wikimedia.org, assigning ownership of the images to the commons! However, Dan Gelbart is not a Wikipedia editor and asked me to post the images. Can you please confirm that the copyright issue is settled? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guy Immega (talk • contribs) 14:01, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Look again at the process outlined at WP:DONATEIMAGE. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:39, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Where to ask for semi protection of the article?

One article needs to be semi protected urgently as perticular information is being added without reference again and again by different new IPs. Please help. May I request to kindly post the answer to my talk page? Thanks a lot in advance. The page which needs semi protection is this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor_of_Ayurveda,_Medicine_and_Surgery --Abhijeet Safai (talk) 06:08, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WP:RFPP. Dismas|^(talk) 06:10, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot Dismas. --Abhijeet Safai (talk) 06:45, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome! Dismas|^(talk) 08:46, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My user name I need to change

I will not copy from my web site ever, however I would like to have my user name change from Manifest2014 to LaVoria Reese — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manifest2014 (talk • contribs) 06:19, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please see Wikipedia:Changing username. TimofKingsland (talk) 06:31, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you still want to change your username once you've read through that you can request a username change at Wikipedia:Changing username/Simple by following the instructions there.TimofKingsland (talk) 06:44, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You have only made 5 edits so it would be easier to create a new user account and abandon Manifest2014.--ukexpat (talk) 18:10, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How do I save...

Hello, when I search for something like...Channing Tatum, how do I save the search or page for later review? I love to look stuff up but am not always able to read it all at one time but don't want to forget about it, can I make it a favorite or save it for later? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LunaFaye13 (talk • contribs) 06:41, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There are a couple things you could do.

You could bookmark the article like you would any other web page on the Internet.
You could create a Wikipedia Book. See WP:BOOKS
You could edit your user page to include a list of favorite articles.

And though some people would possibly suggest adding the article to your watchlist, that's normally just used for keeping track of what changes were made to the articles that you're watching and not generally used as a way to remember all your favorite articles.

Hope this helps, Dismas|^(talk) 08:52, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

RE: DonDonTheGreat

Hi, I am messaging you in regards to an article that I have posted on an artist that requested for me to add his info, including his bio and his latest album, which I have created a page about him as to add thte next page later. I took information from his facebook which is indentical to his website, but I can assure you that I have full consent from him to do so. I can also send you links, social network links etc. to back up that I myself own full copyright of the said album review/info. Please help me, it would be greatly appreciated, I am new to this and am just getting started, thankyou. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spexx23 DKS (talk • contribs) 09:24, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your stating here that you have his consent to place the material here is not enough. Wikipedia will require proof that the owner of the copyright has released it so that it can be used. And as the material you have copied is anyway unacceptably promotional, it would be better to rewrite it – I have made a start on this. However, you have a bigger problem. The article as it is does nothing to demonstrate that its subject is notable, in Wikipedia's sense. Unless someone can change the article so that it demonstrates his notability, it will be deleted. See WP:BIO for guidance on how you might be able to do this. Maproom (talk) 10:21, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Referencing errors on Duane Bobick

Reference help requested. I tried to add a reference and ended up deleting the bulk of the text. I couldn't retrieve it. Can someone just return it to its previous txt? Thanks, 96.245.109.57 (talk) 09:36, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed here. Dismas|^(talk) 09:41, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

article draft

Extended content

Guylain Gustave Moke MunscheMvula Guylain Gustave Moke MunscheMvula, also known ‘’Gustave Moke’’ (born January, 19, 1976) is a Congolese born independent Journalist, Writer, Political Analyst, International Affairs blogger and Author of : The Political Game of the weakest Link ( Editions Nexus: 2007) and The World New Order of Apartheid: Africa ( Editions Xlibris 2009). Former Political editor of the Congolese Newspaper ‘’La Cloche’’ and member of the ‘’Congolese Journalists Association (1999). He is the first Congolese born Journalist to have written more than 5, 000 articles with different media outlets: Allafrica.com, FT, FP, Le Potentiel, La Cloche, La Reference Plus, Le Figaro & Africatime.com. He has also written 4 unsuccessful books.

Life and Education

The son of underachieved Congolese Politician André Moke Mingoy, Gustave Moke was born in Kinshasa in 1976. He attended ‘’Saint Gabriél’’ Elementary School and ‘’Saint Pierre’’ Secondary School, in Kinshasa. He received a B.A in ‘’Linguistics and Philosophy from the ‘’Faculté Catholique de Kinshasa’’ (Catholics University in Kinshasa).

Career

Jennifer Birich (talk) 10:43, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is the help desk for Wikipedia, It is for asking questions on how to use Wikipedia. Do you have a question? GB fan 10:48, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Are you maybe looking for Wikipedia:Articles for creation? Dismas|^(talk) 11:42, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Allan Sharpe

Could someone please give some guidance on the correct citation parameters for reference 13 in this article. I have another six references to the same archive. Many thanks, Gomach (talk) 11:26, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I added <ref name="lyceum">{{Citation |author=Allen Wright |publication-date=October 31, 1988 |title=Shakespeare sans taste: review of As you like it |publisher= [[The Scotsman]] |page= |url= http://special.lib.gla.ac.uk/sta/search/detaild.cfm?NID=&EID=9427&DID=38133&AID=|accessdate=4 November 2013}}</ref>[2] Also, notes can be placed under a Notes section, see Template:Notelist, and references can be placed under a reference section, see Template:Reflist. Generally, you don't need to use quotes in references to verify your article sentence post.-- Jreferee (talk) 14:14, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In the case of this particular article, at one point most of the key references were not readily accessible to most editors, and I specifically requested the use of the quote= parameter in some of the cites. See the article talk page. DES ^(talk) 14:33, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your assistance. Can I use the same template for primary sources such as, scripts, programmes, etc? Gomach (talk) 14:29, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Published scripts could use the same template. UNpublished scripts should not be used as sources. If programs means the fliers handed out to those who attend a production (as opposed to a broadcast event) the same or a similar template should be usable. {{citation}} is an option. DES ^(talk) 01:33, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Changing logo

Hi

Do I have to wait 4 days for my account to be confirmed before I can change the new logo of the company, even though it is public (new website) that the current logo (on Wikipedia) is old? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.72.98.29 (talk) 11:53, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Alternatively, you can make a request at Wikipedia:Files for upload (although editors will sometimes do it if you ask here, provided you can give a URL of where the logo can be found, and which article it relates to).
If you decide to wait, please note that your account also needs to have made 10 edits, and that the edits you have already made as an IP do not count towards either the time, or the number. Arjayay (talk) 12:26, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How long does speedy deletion usually take?

I wanted to move the Metrosideros excelsa article to Pōhutukawa (per WP:COMMONNAME), but the redirect at Pōhutukawa prevented me from doing it. I added {{db-move}} to get the page deleted, but that has stopped the redirect from working properly (which has about 55 links to it). I'm not complaining at all, but it's been about 33 hours and I'm just curious how long these things usually take. Thanks. TimofKingsland (talk) 12:48, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hesperian "moved Pōhutukawa to Metrosideros excelsa: per long-established plant article naming convention" on 4 :February 2009‎.[3] The plant article naming convention is at WP:FLORA. Does moving the Metrosideros excelsa article to Pōhutukawa comply with WP:FLORA? -- Jreferee (talk) 13:52, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WPFLORA says, "Scientific names are to be used as article titles in all cases except when a plant has an agricultural, horticultural, economic or cultural use that makes it more prominent in some other field than in botany". This tree has significant cultural importance in New Zealand, the only area where it normally grows; I think this qualifies as a valid exemption under "cultural use". This should be discussed at the talk page of the article instead of here; I will post this there. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:39, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Unable to revert edits on Yahoo! Mail

I am unable to revert these undocumented edits done by an IP (unregistered editor) in October. There have been other edits since, and I suspect that no one else was able to revert those edits either. I am most concerned because these edits changed two existing categories into red links.

This is doubly annoying because my access to Wikipedia is VERY sluggish – took me almost twenty minutes just to look at the history page to try and locate who changed the categories. Thanks in advance for any pointers on how to deal with all these obstacles. XOttawahitech (talk) 15:12, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ottawahitech

Done (almost) manually. --Mdann52talk to me! 15:34, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Mdann52:, I see you have only restored the categories but have not reverted the other changes. This particular unregistered user (who I believe is working in good faith) has edited scores of other Yahoo! related articles. I was hoping that a revert rather than simply re-editing will get more attention. XOttawahitech (talk) 15:53, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict)::It appears that the sole effect of these edits was to remove the ! symbol from various versions of the yahoo name. Rather than doing a technical revert, you could simply edit to restore the symbol in the variosu places it is used. However, before doignso I advise reading Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks which says, in part: "Avoid using special characters that are not pronounced, are included purely for decoration, or simply substitute for English words..." I would take this to favor "Yahoo" over "Yahoo!". You might discuss the matter at Talk:Yahoo! Mail. DES ^(talk) 15:44, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DESiegel, Are you saying it is OK to break existing wiki-links by simply removing the “!” in many existing articles and categories? To be honest I don’t have the time or inclination to try and start long drawn discussions about this issue on all Yahoo! pages. XOttawahitech (talk) 16:02, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No not at all. If the categories are to be changed, then a proper cat rename must be done. If the article is to be renamed, it should be moved leaving a proper redirect. But the edit in question changed text in the info box and in other places in the article, not just in the category names. Therefore I am saying that the changes to the cat names were incorrect, and should have been undone, but were not vandalism, in that they were apparently an attempt, albeit ill-advised, to improve the page. I have started a discussion at Talk:Yahoo! Mail#! in Name, we will see what, if anything, other editors have to say. No current action seems required to me, pending any development of that discussion. DES ^(talk) 16:10, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have taken an axe to the talk page which was partly being used as a support forum. Appropriate template also added.--ukexpat (talk) 19:39, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OFFLINE BROWSING OF WIKI ARTICLES.

Dear Sir Can I download some articles and make sync. copy on my hard disk for offline view? — Preceding unsigned comment added by EDWARD.KAMEL (talk • contribs) 15:19, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:Download for places to download copies of Wikipedia. Be mindful that even just the text version is nearly 10 gigabytes and downloaded copies will not be up to date. uhhlive (talk) 15:28, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You might also find Wikipedia books useful. --ColinFine (talk) 15:52, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can't log on

I'm a very experienced user User:Smallbones and I cannot log on. While logged on, I opened a new window and it asked me to log on, which I tried to do, the log in page said I entered the wrong password, so I had a new password sent to my e-mail and logged in with that, the page then asked me to create a new password, which I tried to do but got the message "Change password You must be logged in to access this page directly." I was logged off in the original window as well. There was nothing left to do, so I requested a new password and tried it again. Same thing happened. Who do I contact? My guess is that it is some routine maintenance by the WMF techies and they inserted a small mistake; but who knows? I can be contacted via the e-mail function on my regular user page. Smallbonestemp (talk) 16:23, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also can't log in with old user name on Commons. Smallbonestemp (talk) 16:28, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Got it. Seems to have something to do with Capitalization, which I never had problems with before. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 17:47, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

James Le Jeune

Hello I have just left this message in the wrong place here it is again... I got a message telling me I haven't nominated James Le Jeune Irish Artist properly, I have been trying and I am afraid I haven't been successful, can someone do it for me please. Thank you for all the help with it, it is better then I ever could have done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enuejel (talk • contribs) 17:16, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Working on it now... -- John of Reading (talk) 17:22, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Your nomination is now named Template:Did you know nominations/James Le Jeune and is included in the listing at Template talk:Did you know#Articles created/expanded on November 18. But you need to make one more edit to the nomination page; where it says "Artist, Portrait Painter plus" you need to fill in the text that you'd like to appear on the main page - the "hook text". The rules for that are at Wikipedia:Did you know#The hook, but you can get the general idea by look at the "Did you know" section of the Main Page. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:33, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Format Edit

I am trying to format an edit I am trying to make. While the page, Jose de Creeft, did accept the edit, it is improperly formatted. Please help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdalba (talk • contribs) 17:28, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Other users have edited the article to comply with the Manual of Style.--ukexpat (talk) 17:51, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That is the problem with just dumping a wall of text - one which was quite possibly cut and pasted from somewhere else - into a Wikipedia article. To get the correct formatting you need to learn the basics of Wiki markup. Someone else has since removed your edit, perhaps so you can try again, but before you do it is probably best to take a look at how the text is formatted for other articles. Just pick an article and click "edit" to view the wiki markup. You can also take a look at the Editing help to see a more structured help tool.

I also moved the images in the current article to a gallery to make the article look better on the screen. Astronaut (talk) 17:58, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Actually, it looks like they just removed it, for reasons I can guess.

1st, the simple way to format a list like this is just to put an asterisk "*" in front of each line
2nd, we don't usually include long lists like this. Rather, we prefer prose descriptions. I'd guess the usual maximum length of a list like this is 10 items.
3rd, a long list like this is likely to arose suspicions of a copyright violation. Please make sure that this is not just copied from somewhere; it would need to be your own work.
Hope this helps. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 18:00, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have made a start on formatting this at Talk:Jose de Creeft/timeline (as I noted on Talk:Jose de Creeft). There are other problems besides the formatting. I haven't yet checked how much of this this supported by the sources already in the article, but much of it would need to be separately sourced. Wikipedia articles are not normally constructed in this kind of list format, integrating them into article prose is usually better. The level of detail here is probably too high for the article, and many of the details may not be relevant. Thre is also the question of origin. If this was in fact directly copied from another source, then Wikipedia cannot host it. I haven't tried to check yet. DES ^(talk) 19:06, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If it is copied from somewhere else, Google can't find it. I tried a couple of phrases and no match in Google.Naraht (talk) 19:25, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And I ran it through Earwig's Copyvio Detector, none detected.--ukexpat (talk) 19:32, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Length of article title

Is there a limit to the length of the title of a page/article? I find this one absurdly long:

To ensure that any new or revised requirement providing for the screening, testing, or treatment of individuals operating commercial motor vehicles for sleep disorders is adopted pursuant to a rulemaking proceeding (H.R. 3095; 113th Congress)

Thanks, Hordaland (talk) 19:59, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Article titles should reflect the subject's WP:COMMONNAME which this obviously isn't. In the absence of a short title, which most bills have when then are enacted, I suggest that this be moved to H.R. 3095, which will leave behind a redirect should anyone actually search for the long title.--ukexpat (talk) 21:27, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is there an easy way to get a list of the Top X articles by length of the article name or just everything with more than 50 characters in the name?Naraht (talk) 12:46, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Naraht: The toolserver "grep" tool can give you a list of long titles. A search for the regular expression .{50,} eventually returns a list of 84,073 articles with 50+ character titles. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:04, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your answers! I've tagged the article for notability & update. (As it reads, it's a proposal while Google tells me it's been signed into law; it has no secondary source.) And I've noted my concerns on its Talk page. I've not contacted its author, assuming s/he has it watched. Hordaland (talk) 10:26, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Tony Morales page was created, saved multiple times but now seems to have disappeared!

Hello and thanks for taking a moment to review and answer my question!

Last week I created a page for film composer Tony Morales. I edited and previewed the page multiple times and ultimately saved the page. My understanding was that by saving the page I was agreeing to publish it. At the very least I expected it to literally be "saved" in a place where I could access it and make further edits in the future. However I can not find it anywhere.

Any clues to this mystery would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DaveMilne (talk • contribs) 19:59, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

According to your contribution log, you didn't create and save that, or any other article, while logged in as DaveMilne, and I checked for deleted pages also. We did once have an article entitled Tony Morales, but it was deleted in 2006, apparently because it failed to indicate how this person was significant, see Speedy deletion criterion A7. If you saved it, from any account or while not logged in, recently, it wasn't under that title. It is possible that you failed to complete the save process, and less likely but possible that the save failed due to some sort of technical glitch. DES ^(talk) 20:12, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My messages are not showing up on a talk page

Hi. Can someone explain why my last two messages are visible on User:Sc30002001 talk page's edit history, but do not show up on the saved page, or even when viewing the diffs? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 21:15, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It was because this edit in July left a comment tag unterminated, so lost the display of all subsequent text. - David Biddulph (talk) 21:37, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've fixed it, though I then had to fix up several posts which were suddenly all signed by me. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:40, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, John. Nightscream (talk) 03:43, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rob Ford Mayor of Toronto page of Wikipedia.

Someone has written some coarse statements under the heading of Ford's prior experience which I find inappropriate and offensive, regardless of whether or not they're true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.101.149.245 (talk) 22:48, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see the section you are referring to as there is no heading for prior experiences in the article Rob Ford. Additionally Wikipedia is not censored (see WP:UNCENSORED). Note that content must follow WP:BLP and have sources. XFEM Skier (talk) 23:05, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

World Bioenergy Association

Hello! I have just created an article for my organisation 'World Bioenergy Association' (WBA) and it has been flagged for immediate deletion due to copyright and promotional reasons. As I work for the WBA is there anyway this could be avoided? Would anyone be willing to help make the page look better? for example more like our REN Alliance partner the IHA (International Hydropower Association) International Hydropower Association. I have all the information needed to create the WBA page with logo's and links etc. Best, Andrew Potter (WBA Director of Communications) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AndrewEPotter (talk • contribs) 22:58, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

First thing you should look into is WP:COI, as clearly that is an issue here. Wikipedia is also not for self-promotion. WP:NOTADVERTISING. If your association is notable a Wikipedia article might be called for but you are not the right person to write it, you can look here for other possibilities (WP:AFC). XFEM Skier (talk) 23:22, 20 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And the second thing you or somebody should look into is whether it passes the test for notability, i.e. has it been written about at length in reliable sources independent of the organisation? --ColinFine (talk) 16:38, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

November 21

Do I want to delete this page @ "Articles for Deletion" or "Proposed Deletion"? (No rush)

Hi, I have a question concerning deletion of the page State bag.

Background on the page: it's not doing too well, not many viewers, nor editors. It's also stub-class, an orphan, and lacks any sources.

So it's not that I think WP:PROD would be inappropriate so much as, would anyone even see it? I mean, if it's orphaned and unpopular, would AfD or WP:PROD be more appropriate? Kind of confused about the difference between the two deletion methods, by the way, since they both seem to go through the same 7-day process.

meteor_sandwich_yum (talk) 01:25, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I personally see no point to using PROD for anything. Anyone can remove the tag, including the creator, and then you waste 7 days with it tagged, then the tag removed. I'd personally take it to AfD. I've brought stuff there before with no or 1 person weighing in, and the page still was deleted. You could still PROD though, it's 100% your choice. CTF83! 01:30, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. meteor_sandwich_yum (talk) 01:43, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Meteor sandwich yum: - I've prodded articles successfully, and I personally think it's better to go that route first. Yes, someone might remove the prod, but if the person who created the article has ceased to be active (very typical), then it's quite likely no one else cares. By contrast, posting at AfD makes more work for other editors (who have to decide whether to comment or not), may be reposted again and again if little or no comments (so, way more than 7 days), and generally should be second priority, in my opinion. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 02:25, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(/e/c) Prod and AfD are quite different. Prod is for uncontroversial deletion without discussion of the merits and AfD is for discussion on the merits through consensus. By uncontroversial, what we mean is that we would not reasonably expect opposition because the basis for deletion is rather clear under policy and guideline and does not need to be sussed out. Prod is far less burdensome on the community and conserves resources because we do not take up the time of many editors in needing to weigh in ar a deletion debate. A prod tag, unlike an AfD nomination, can be removed by anyone (even the creator) and if it is, that act itself is considered to render the deletion controversial and so the removal cannot be reverted and thus you need to go to AfD as the next step. I disagree with CTF83 regarding the utility of prod. We delete maybe 300 articles per week through prod and save hundreds of hours of editor's time by doing so, and I consider time (especially of core editors, who do a great deal of the heavy lifting here) a most precious and finite commodity. I do not have any statistics on what percentage of prod taggings are removed, but there certainly are enough to result in those few hundred a week that make it to end without removal.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:34, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the extra info. Will keep that in mind. meteor_sandwich_yum (talk) 04:21, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Elliott-Halberstam conjecture

I clicked on Elliott-Halberstam conjecture at List_of_unsolved_problems_in_mathematics#Number_theory_.28prime_numbers.29 which used a redirected to "Elliott-Halberstam conjecture". I tried to see if I could removed the redirect by changing the "_" in the link, but nothing happen. It still redirects to itself? I just don't understand it, so I hope someone can fix it. John W. Nicholson (talk) 01:31, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like it was already fixed. It links to Elliott–Halberstam conjecture CTF83! 01:36, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect seems to be workign correctly, it goes from the version of the name with a hyphen to the more correct dash (between the two names). It is possible (but unhelpful) to set up a page that redirects to itself, but I don't see one here, nor any recent changes in any of the pages involved. If it is the underscore you are concerned with, Wikipedia substitutes underscores for spaces when an article name is converted to a URL, since URLs generally may not contain spaces. DES ^(talk) 01:42, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:DASH for the guideline. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:08, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Title Page

I'm trying to create a new wikipedia page. I've added all the information for the page to my Sandbox already. But how do I title the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BIO267 F13 02 (talk • contribs) 03:39, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Search on your title. Since there presumably isn't such an article, you should get a message telling you that you can start one. Then click on your title, which is red. (And, as you can see, you should have signed your message above in the same way that Talk (discussion) page messages should be signed. You can in future do that by clicking on the pencil stub icon at the top of the edit box.) --Hordaland (talk) 04:31, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I see that the article has now been copied to Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Alternative_Mating_Strategies. I found it very interesting – it's about a field I used to work in, a long time ago. It is well-written, easy (for me, anyway) to understand, wide-ranging within its topic, and has an appropriate number of references. It's like a review article from Annual Review of Genetics, from the days before that journal was all biochemistry. I have been wondering, "is Wikipedia the right place for an academic review article?", and have decided, "yes, why not?". Maproom (talk) 08:40, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reviewed and accepted (after some minor tweaking). I wish all submissions to AfC were this easy to review! Please help improve/refine the categorisation, I've just added a few "rough guesses" as I'm not particularly expert at zoology. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:34, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The article needs incomming links and there could also be more wikilinks in the article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:40, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have moved the article to Alternative mating strategy to comply with our naming conventions (lower case and singular titles preferred) and made some conforming textual changes to the lead. I have also changed some of the section headings to comply with WP:MOSHEAD. I think the tone of the article needs a little more work it has the feel of an academic paper about it.--ukexpat (talk) 15:49, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What to do with this article -- Split? Merge? Delete?

Hello,

I came across this article recently: Political messages of Dr. Seuss. I think it's very out of place and doesn't serve much of a purpose. It was written as part of a college assignment. It definitely needs to be dealt with. I think the best way is to split its contents across the various articles about the books that this article discuss, i.e. info about the Sneetches will go into the article The Sneetches and Other Stories, etc. But I'm a little overwhelmed. How do I go about doing that? Do I have to nominate the article somewhere? Please, any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Bobnorwal (talk) 04:42, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have nominated it at AfD with your above rational. In case you wish to comment futhur, it is at this page. --Mdann52talk to me! 08:40, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The AfD nomination, whilst referring to this page, only supplied the deletion aspect of the suggestion here.[4] Splitting the article requires nothing more than someone going ahead and doing it. Deletion would prevent this and splitting would not require deletion. Wikipedia:Splitting gives relevant advice. I think deletion would be unhelpful. Thincat (talk) 15:37, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Citation

Hi, Would you please let me know the right way to add reliable sources to prevent the immediate deletion of this article and to enable me to remove this tag. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.219.65.143 (talk) 08:48, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I assume you are talking about Amr El-Samra. The article needs to meet a number of Wikipedia policies including WP:NOTE and WP:BLP.The article needs considerable work and just from scrolling through it and looking at the edit history it clearly has an issue with WP:COI.I would say the article should be shortened and his notability needs to be added as well as reliable sources (WP:RS).For information on how to cite you can look at WP:CITE. XFEM Skier (talk) 09:18, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The article Amr El-Samra reads more like a personal blog than a Wikipedia article. Some of it is even written in the first person. It provides no evidence that its subject is notable. Frankly, I doubt that you can do anything to save it from deletion. Maproom (talk) 09:57, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Maproom above, but if you want to try, the first thing is to find reliable sources. These must be published, independent sources with a reputation for fact checking, that discuss the subject in some detail, and support the specific information in the article. Cites to facebook, linkedin, youtube, twitter, blogs, and social media are not reliable for this purpose, nor is anything published by the subject or any company he ran or was closely affiliated with. Newspaper or magazine articles (of more than purely local circulation), or books or scholarly publications all work. For how to list them, read referencing for beginners or just list them on the article's talk page (and indicate what facts each supports) and then ask for help with the formatting. DES ^(talk) 15:10, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

At the moment the article reads like a vanity bio, replete as it is with family holiday snaps and other content completely inappropriate for a Wikipedia article. There may be some material in there that could form the basis of a bio that meets the guidelines but I think we will only get there by blowing it up and starting again.--ukexpat (talk) 15:55, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Change name of article?

Is it possible to change the header in the article about Sperry Drilling? The Halliburton division's name changed three or four years ago from "Sperry Drilling Services" to "Sperry Drilling", so the article should be called "Sperry Drilling". The rest of the article is correct. Hveding (talk) 09:29, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ref.:

Best regards, Hveding

You can change the name of an article by using the "move" function. Highlight the dropdown icon in the top-right (to the right of "edit" and "view history") and select "move". From there you can rename the article. — Richard BB 09:31, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You are not autoconfirmed yet so you cannot move articles. I have made the move to Sperry Drilling. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:14, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The page for the company PowWowNow has disappeared?

Hi, I work at Powwownow and our company page seems to have been deleted for some reason? Can someone please tell me why it has been removed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.63.16.76 (talk) 11:21, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The page Powwownow has been deleted multiple times because it failed to meet the requirements for a stand alone article. A version is currently being held as a workspace draft at User:Basebot/Powwownow although it doesnt appear to have been touched for a very long time and may be eligible for deletion.

You should also be aware of our policies regarding conflict of interest and the fact that we are not here to be a free host for a web presence for your company.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 11:56, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also, PowWowNow (with the extra capitals) was deleted as "Unambiguous advertising or promotion", as notified on User talk:Sau222sau. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:11, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Article on Wikipedia?

Is the claim here true - that Wikipedia deleted the noted page almost immediately after it was posted. I can't find any such deletion. -- Jreferee (talk) 12:42, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Look in the sbnation article below the image. It states that the article is Satire and there was no such Wikipedia page.Naraht (talk) 12:52, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Unreferenced claim

In the List of cities in Punjab and Chandigarh by population an anonymous editor has put in some unreferenced information, which may have some basis. I have reverted it twice but he has put it back. Can someone see and do as he deems fit? - Chandan Guha (talk) 14:01, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You removed information about Patiala.[5] Why do you think it does not belong in the article? -- Jreferee (talk) 15:00, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is some misconception here. I removed information about Rajpura in Patiala district because it is unreferenced. Rajpura is in Punjab - that is not the point in dispute. The point is whether it is a city with 100,000 population. There should be some referenced support for that information. Also please read Rajpura (Demographics). - Chandan Guha (talk) 15:58, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My search for the population turned up ~83k people as of 2001. I added it to Rajpura with citation. I would guess it is higher than that now but that is the last reliable information. XFEM Skier (talk) 19:02, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the search. There does not seem to be any referenced support for Rajpur having a population of 100,000 or more. In that case, the anonymous editor's edit in List of cities in Punjab and Chandigarh by population (for cities with a population of 100,000 plus) should be reverted. I have already reverted it twice. Will some other editor please take it up? - Chandan Guha (talk) 00:41, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Album chart

I am currently working on the article As Good as Dead, trying to get the albumchart templates to display correctly, but I can't seem to do so. I was hoping that someone here would know what should be done to fix this. Thanks in advance. Jinkinson talk to me 14:18, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at some of the FA-class album articles, you should be able to find an album chart template and other features that represent how best to put together an album article. The FA-class album articles are at Category:FA-Class Album articles. -- Jreferee (talk) 14:30, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Naomie Harris biography

The Naomie Harris biography has a section under it called "Voice of the voiceless=" which states personal attacks of Winnie Mandela, and is not relevant to the biography of Naomie Harris. I cannot seem to edit the content, even after I try to login. Can someone help me edit this page? The content of that section is disputable at best, libelous at worst. Thank you! --Appiah — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.239.184.183 (talk) 14:31, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

User:Jreferee has removed the section. Maproom (talk) 14:46, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

please help!!

How do I link a name on a Notable person (PJ Cambo-soccerplayer on Wilbraham, MA page) to a User page referencing him (User:Soccernotes)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Soccernotes (talk • contribs)

You don't, or at least you shouldn't, see WP:SELFREF. Instead you just include a link to an article about the person. If the article doesn't exist, but you think it plausible that it should or will in the future, link anyway and it will become a working link when and if the article is created. Such a link to a non-existent page is often called a "red link" because by default it is displayed in red. There is nothing wrong with plausible redlinks. DES ^(talk) 15:49, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

DES sums it up pretty well and if you want to read more about red links, there's always WP:REDLINK. Dismas|^(talk) 17:41, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Seeing an article as it was on a given date (Including Templates)

Is there anyway within the wikipedia website (as opposed to archive.org) to see the way that an article was on a given date *including* templates and other trancluded items. Right now if Article A includes Template B and I look back at Article A from the version that was there a Year ago it will include the *current* version of Template B (presuming it also included Template B at the time) Any ideas?Naraht (talk) 15:40, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think there is a way to do that, short of an archive link. DES ^(talk) 15:51, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Naraht: I can think of one way but I am not suggesting you actual do it. It's a lot of bother, a lot of copyright attribution (WP:CWW) required and a lot of G7s at the end. Anyway, I suppose you could copy the article's code as of a certain date to a sandbox. Then you would need to go to each of the templates that are transcluded in it and copy their code as of the date you are attempting to replicate and create each of them in turn in sandboxes (make sure to check each of the templates to see if they are nesting internal templates that might also need to be sandboxed). Then go back to the article and replace each of the template names with the sandbox templates you made. If the images used no longer exist or have been changed that might present an impassable obstacle.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:19, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Trouble logging in.

I seem to have forgotten my loggin details. I understand they won't be provided by this method of questioning but the issue comes when I am requesting a password reset and I am simply not receiving any emails at all... Any solutions?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.250.169.5 (talk) 18:50, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The system e-mails the reset information to whatever e-mail address you provided for "E-mail this user". If that account has shut down or been moved without forwarding, you may be out of luck. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:17, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

TELL LIKE IT IS

Within the pages about TELL IT LIKE IT IS there is no reference to the first Uk recording of the song by a British girl, Kim Davis [Kim D]. I was a band member at the time. I think the first UK recording should be of interest Kind Regards Colin Woodland — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.216.186.140 (talk) 18:55, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you are refering to Tell It Like It Is (song) you should mention this at Talk:Tell It Like It Is (song), the page for suggestions on improving that article. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for your information, as none of the rest of us can see or verify your personal memories.

By hte way, if you register an account and sign in, your IP address will not be displayed with every edit.Your IP addr could expose your physical location, if that matters to you. In addition, using an account provides a watchlist, a clear record of contributions, and other benefits. DES ^(talk) 19:23, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can't cite pdf file as reference

I've asked for help with this type of problem before. The difficulty seems to be that I can't copy the correct url when I find a pdf file on the internet which I wish to cite as a reference in a Wikipedia article. In this case, the Wikipedia article is on Thomas Lodge [6], and the only url I was able to copy is [www.c-s-p.org/flyers/978-1-4438-3762-0-sample.pdf‎], which I expanded to [7], but it still didn't work. The full citation (with my attempt to copy the url) is in the External links section at the end of the Wikipedia article on Thomas Lodge.‎ Any help with this would be much appreciated. NinaGreen (talk) 18:56, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

When I pointed at the link, my browser told me I was about to jump to a URL ending with "...sample.pdf%E2%80%8E", a sign that you had copy+pasted some control characters along with the URL. I deleted the "pdf" and the space, and retyped them, and all seems to be working now. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:04, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you looking to cite this as opposed to providing an external link to it, this might help. XFEM Skier (talk) 19:10, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

John of Reading, thanks again for your help with this problem (you helped with an earlier similar one). I'll watch out for the control characters when copying in future; that does seem to be the problem. Thanks for your suggestion also, XFEM Skier; I've added it as a citation rather than as an external link. NinaGreen (talk) 19:19, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

co-operatives

It has ben reported by the Daily Telegraph and Gardeners Question Time in recent days and is repeated in your article that the first co-operative movement was started in Rochdale. In fact, the first such organisation started in Sheerness in 1816 and I would welcome the further attention of your author to this point,please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.201.228.88 (talk) 20:13, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia articles have no individual authors. Each is a collaborative work, the particular contributors may be identified on the article history. You may edit the page directly, but be prepared to back up the statement with a reliable source if challenged. Or you may discuss the matter on the talk page of the article in question.

Thank you for your suggestion. When you believe an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the edit this page link at the top.
The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to).

By the way, it is very helpful if you link to or at least name the article you are talking about here -- en-Wikipedia has over 4,000,000 articles, and looking for clues in your comment and then searching for the intended article wastes time. DES ^(talk) 20:59, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Deleting Page

Im trying to make a profile for a Saracens rugby player Petrus du Plessis. Ive added a reliable reference so will the page be reviewed or deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mi5agent (talk • contribs) 21:40, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, but please read WP:REFBEGIN and WP:MOSBIO for help with citing refs and formatting a bio.--ukexpat (talk) 22:16, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Derek Acorah Page - Wish to edit and add some info

I wish to add the fact that Derek Acorah appeared in a Dr Who episode.

The link and info to the episode appears Army of Ghosts

Would I need any other information in order to have it added?

Thank you.

145.255.240.145 (talk) 21:49, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You will have to cite a reference from a reliable source.--ukexpat (talk) 22:18, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Just edit Derek Acorah yourself, copying over the reference from the article Army of Ghosts (do not use the article itself as a reference). This does, of course, presume that the article has a reliable source. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:22, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it's already in the Acorah article. (I'd theoretically like to clean up the article, but I despise fakers like him so much that I can't be arsed to waste my time.) --Orange Mike | Talk 22:27, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

+1 Some of us remember the time he was posessed by a person who didn't exist... Also, "Mary wants dick!" - the only thing he ever said that was probably true. ツ Jenova 20 ^(email) 22:35, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:FAQ

How can I get a WP question added to the FAQs page? I've seen a very long answer to it but it would be nice to see the question about editing answered in just a sentence. Thanks! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:55, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz: One option is to simply edit the relevant FAQ page yourself, per WP:BB. Another (perhaps better) would be to post the suggested question and answer to the talk page, and see if anyone has any objections, or suggestions for improvements. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 05:38, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@John Broughton: I looked at the FAQ Talk Page and there is no activity there. I think the last post was in January 2013 (even comments going back to 2011 have received no response). I think I might take your first suggestion as if I put some answer on the page, it is likely to spark interest and other Editors will edit it to improve it.

I just posted this here because I thought that maybe the FAQs arose from questions you receive at the Help Desk. I mean, someone has to determine a question is one that is frequently asked, right? I didn't realize I could add my own question right to it. I'll try and maybe Editors who have the page on their watchlist will help with the answer.

Thanks for responding to my question. ;-) Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 10:13, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Spokane County Library District

Spokane County Library District is currently under Spokane County. However, this is not a government entity for the county and has enough information to warrant having this as its own page. Spokane County Library Distict used to be its own entry, but I have been unable to figure out how to move it back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Choffman313 (talk • contribs) 23:01, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The old page, now a redirect with significant history, is at Spokane County Library District. You can just edit that, to copy the content (wikisource) into that page. (click on the link in the "redirected from" message at the top left of the page when it redirects you the first time.) To preserve attributions, please add {{merged-from}} or {{copied}} to the talk page -- this should have been done after the previous merge into the county article (Spokane County, Washington). And please, lose the timeline, it is way over-detailed and out of proportion for such an article. You might want to discuss the matter on Talk:Spokane County, Washington firsat, or at least announce what you are doing there. Someone thought the merge a good idea, (actually Abductive on 13:17, 28 December 2009). There is no rule that says that only governmental organizations can be described in a county article. Nor that they must be. If you do plan to make it separate, please consider the issue of notability. The current Libray section has only a single reference to the library's own website. As a separate article that would probably not pass AfD unless it were improved. I advise having independent reliable references ready before doing an unmerge. DES ^(talk) 23:22, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

November 22

Children in BLP

In a Biography of a Living Person, is it acceptable or not for children to be named and/or discussed if the children are not themselves famous?

More specifically, say a moderately famous person's son commits suicide. Is it acceptable to write about that suicide? Note that there are no other references to the person's children in the article.

Something about it just strikes me as inappropriate... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samantha1961 (talk • contribs) 00:14, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If the information is cited by a reliable source then it should not be considered a violation of BLP but it might be an issue with undue weight. I think the question becomes is it significant to that person the biography is about. An example of appropriate weight is probably John Walsh and the murder of his son. My two cents. XFEM Skier (talk) 00:55, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

While potentially possible, in general there is no good reason to and per WP:BLPNAME - they are generally only known for the 1 event of being a celebrity's child - the bar should be pretty high for including names of minor children. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 00:59, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, I've seen lots of articles where relatives are named for no reason. AS XFEM Skier says, very often it's undue weight to name them. And in the case of underage, it's certainly inappropriate except for notable cases. --NaBUru38 (talk) 19:06, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say that it might be true in regards to a Minor child in isolation, but for example, I would be fine if the article on State Senator Creigh Deeds included the name of his son who the police believe stabbed him and then committed suicide. The son in this situation was age 24.Naraht (talk) 20:00, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Editor removing my maintenance tags because they are "ridiculous" and "make a mess"

I have been involved in a dispute today, the subject matter does not matter for the purpose of this question, first I raised the alterations that I thought were needed to a range of articles on a talk page and on two noticeboards, got a consensus, not from very many people to be sure, but there was agreement that the changes should be made, so I started to do so and am not surprised to find myself now in a dispute with an editor who does not agree with those changes. S/he has reverted a lot of them, so instead of edit-warring I have put accuracy and point of view disputed tags on an article and a template. What does surprise me though and I am not sure how to deal with is that this user simply removes the "disputed" tags, telling me that I am being disruptive, the alteration I and others agreed should be made is "ridiculous" and the tags "make a mess". I don't want to get into a silly "I put the tags on,s/he takes them off" over and over game, but I don't want to have to accept either that the other user can just say" there's no dispute, you are disruptive". Is there anything I can do about this? maybe some way to ask for admin intervention without going to AN/I? ThanksSmeat75 (talk) 00:19, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

One user agreeing with you does not make a consensus when trying to change a very old status quo. Changes should be made, of course, but not all those that you proposed. Your edits have been reverted by a number of users, not only the one you are discussing here without notifying him. You should have explained what it is that I reverted. Since you failed to do that, I will. You changed "Franz, Duke of Bavaria" into "Franz Duke of Bavaria" because it is supposedly more accurate and more neutral, being closer to the subject's legal name ("Franz Herzog von Bayern"). It is, of course, neither more accurate nor more neutral. It is merely a terrible abuse of orthography. You inserted dispute and POV tags because I reinserted the comma, claiming that the comma makes the article biased and inaccurate. Of course, the comma does no such thing. The comma is there because common sense requires it to be there. It is one of the most basic principles of punctation, and has absolutely nothing to do with your on-going crusade. If you believe that the title should be treated as a surname (i.e. without the comma), then you should not translate it. Mihály Kovács does not become Michael Smith, nor does Stefan Schumacher become Stephen Shoemaker. However, the man whose legal name is "Franz Herzog von Bayern" is known as "Franz, Duke of Bavaria" in English, much like Dana Elaine Owens is known as Queen Latifah. This is a plain case of WP:Use English. Surtsicna (talk) 00:33, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What I wanted to get another opinion on here was whether it is OK for you just to revert my edits, remove the tags that I put on instead of getting involved in an edit war, tell me not to be disruptive, and put the article(s) back to the way they were before. I know you think it is ridiculous, I and Dougweller do not, I really don't want to have to go to AN/I or something about this,I did not go into the subject matter because I all wanted here was an outside opinion if it is OK to remove "disputed" tags from an article and dismiss the dispute as "ridiculous".Smeat75 (talk) 00:53, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

claiming a consensus within less than one day, unless you have 20 people all in agreement, is generally claiming a consensus before one exists. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 01:04, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

First, if you are in a dispute, there are dispute resolution avenues and such you can go to without going through ANI. And based off the information presented here by both you and Surtsicna, I think that context/subject matter was important here, and that the reverting was not out of line. - Purplewowies (talk) 01:20, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK, forget "claiming a consensus" me and one other guy thought it was a good thing to do, and I am not surprised to be reverted. What I want an opinion on is "is it OK just to remove those dispute tags and tell me to stop being disruptive and making a mess?" And I think there will be dispute resolutions on the subject matter.Smeat75 (talk) 01:27, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I said that the reverting was not out of line (something that I was only able to determine knowing the background). "Making a mess" may have been a tad incivil, but I believe the removal was justified in this situation. - Purplewowies (talk) 02:10, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Because the overwhelming majority of sources and standard English grammar would call for "Franz, Duke of Bavaria", it is not out of line to call the removal of the comma "ridiculous" and to call it "making a mess" when, because the "ridiculous" edit was reverted, someone spammed the article with inappropriate tags. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 05:10, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What RPOD said. Franz, Duke of Bavaria has a comma in English for the same reason that Diana, Princess of Wales and Philippe II, Duke of Orléans do. Cherry-picking a Wikipedia article that uses this accepted title format and attempting to change it to a nonstandard version without a wider consensus is not the way to improve the encyclopaedia. Neither is changing the focus of the dispute to the behaviour of the person who who reverted your attempt back to the accepted version and then got mildly and understandably testy when you tried to progress your point by adding inappropriate tags onto the article in question. If you want to focus on the issue, and discuss whether there is a case for changing how we punctuate the titles of all such individuals, a good starting point might be Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(royalty_and_nobility). - Karenjc (talk) 10:40, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, RPOD and Karenjc. Unfortunately, the comma was again removed from the lead sentence and the inappropriate tags were readded today. Please see Franz, Duke of Bavaria. This rape of grammar is completely senseless. Surtsicna (talk) 10:44, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Lincolnshire

The template for Lincolnshire used to include the category in its definition, so that all of the villages and civil parishes were included in the parent Lincolnshire category as well as the Villages in Lincolnshire and Civil parishes in Lincolnshire. I removed the category from the template, but all the articles are still listed in the parent category. I can't figure out what keeps them showing up. Thank you for any help. Jllm06 (talk) 01:05, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I was looking at WP:FAQ/Categories#Why might a category list not be up to date?, but then I was looking to see when you removed the category from Template:Lincolnshire and couldn't immediately find such a change; when was it? - David Biddulph (talk) 01:35, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, it was the Template East Lindsey (district). Jllm06 (talk) 01:36, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I had just spotted the similar change at Template:South Holland (district). The FAQ may therefore be the answer. - David Biddulph (talk) 01:44, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I will try the null edits.Jllm06 (talk) 01:46, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit of "Everyday Edisons"

Hello. My edit was removed. I was given an explanation and a link to reply. Unfortunately, that link disappeared. I think the moderator's name was GeofItalic text Any ways, the explanation stated something to the effect that my edit was not Constructive First, this is a highly subjective term. Being destructive against evil results in a very constructive outcome. The double negative thing. It is a mathematical thing - X - = + Anyway, this is my edit (Only additions) to the article. They are factual, truthful, non-inflammatory, statements written in a very civil and proper fashion.

Out of the above referenced concepts, only "Befudium", "Loopa" (Rebranded 'GyroBowl') and "Pressix appear to be launched as products. There is much uncertainty about all the other concepts of Season 1, Season 2, Season 3 and Season 4. Season 5 was reportedly produced but it has never been broadcasted. According to his consumer advocacy site www.edisonnationisascam.com, Luis Rodriguez alleges that his 3 inventions, collectively dubbed "Trick Stick", selected by Edison Nation ('Everyday Edisons' parent company) for season 3, were unlawfully excluded from the show, and their three respective agreements violated.

-- Vergulito (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:08, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

at the top of every page is a "History" tab, and for Everyday Edisons, it is this record. Were you previously editing before you registered your account to make this edit? If so, the response to your edit is on this page User_talk:69.115.111.78. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 01:18, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Your edits were correctly removed, as you cited no source for the first paragraph, and the personal website of a person involved in a dispute with "Everyday Edisons" does not constitute a reliable source as far as Wikipedia content is concerned. Unless and until this dispute is given significant coverage in third-party published sources, it doesn't belong in our article. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:19, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See the policies WP:V content must be verifiable as having been published by WP:RS a reliable source with a reputation for fact checking, accuracy and an editorial oversight process. The content in the article must also WP:NPOV be presented from a neutral point of view WP:UNDUE without excessive weight being given to relatively minor aspects of the subject. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 01:24, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I found several sources mentioning Loopa and Everyday Edisons,[8][9][10][11] but nothing mentioning Befudium. Pressix and Everyday Edisons is mentioned in this article. I did not find any Wikipedia reliable sources mentioning Luis Rodriguez and Everyday Edisons. -- Jreferee (talk) 14:05, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Can't edit an article.

I want to edit the piece names section of the following page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_piece. I want to insert a new language in the table. But the table is not showing up in the editor. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chess_piece&action=edit&section=8 — Preceding unsigned comment added by SHUBHANKAN DAS (talk • contribs) 03:55, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It is a template so you would have to edit the template not the table in the article. Note you should pay attention to where else the template is used and be careful as the edits will effect multiple locations. XFEM Skier (talk) 04:12, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As the user above me mentioned, the section you are trying to edit is a template which is essentially a "page inside a page" which can be included in many different articles. Heed with caution because if you make an error, it could potentially affect hundreds of articles. I suggest you read WP:TEMPLATE before you advance! 07:14, 22 November 2013 (UTC)teratogen (talk)

Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Chess names shows it's only transcluded in one other article. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:22, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Hummingbird

I gave a blog link in the External links section and it was deleted. But many other blog links can be found in your references. Is it Wikipedia paid that the moderator can put their friends links only or paid links only. The link was - http://technologiesinternetz.blogspot.in/2013/11/how-hummingbird-has-changed-definition.html First I put this link under - References - the link was deleted. Later on i put this link under - External Link - Again it was deleted. Is it biased that only moderator or checker can do anything. Other blog links are visible but when i put my favourite blog they delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.74.24.62 (talk) 04:51, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you probably can find many blog links in external link sections. And they most always are inappropriate and should be removed. You will probably find the fact that other articles have some crap that needs to be cleaned up is not really a convincing argument that you should be allowed to clutter bad links in yet another article. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 04:57, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please take some time and read WP:RELY, especially sections 2.3 Biased and Opinionated Sources and 3 Questionable and self-published sources. teratogen (talk) 06:48, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If there any remaining blog links that you think should not be listed in the article, please note them below. -- Jreferee (talk) 13:47, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Using Archive.org or Google Cache to fix dead links

If an article's reference has a dead link, is it acceptable to change the link to the Archive.org or Google Cache copy? teratogen (talk) 06:44, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Not Google Cache, as these quickly become dead too. Archive.org is ok, however, it is generally better to use a CS1 template (eg. {{cite web}} with archived links, as they can have |archiveurl and |archivedate , leaving the original URL intact. --Mdann52talk to me! 08:10, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See more at Wikipedia:Link rot. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:16, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

kinfra

KINFRA

K N Srikumar, Sr media advisor KINFRA, KINFRA House Sasthamangalam Trivandrum- 695010 ph 04712726585 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.178.238.36 (talk) 08:50, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. This is the help desk, for asking questions about using or finding your way around Wikipedia. You seem to be trying to create an article, but this is not the place to do it. Unfortunately your text also breached Wikipedia's strict rules on copyright violation, because it appeared be cut-and-pasted directly from other websites, so I have removed it. Wikipedia:Your first article is a good place to learn more about how to create articles that comply with our policies! and the Wikipedia:Article wizard is there to help you create and submit it correctly. -Karenjc (talk) 09:05, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop posting this copy+pasted text on random (?) Wikipedia pages (1, 2, 3, 4, ...) as this just wastes the time of the volunteer editors who put things straight again. Instead, since you are the media adviser for KINFRA, you should have a look at the Wikipedia guideline on conflict of interest and its summary page. I also recommend that you register a named account, so that other editors can leave you messages more easily. Since your IP address has changed several times already today, you may not have seen the messages left for you at, for example, User talk:122.167.198.10. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:25, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Harvard Lampoon

The wiki article on Harvard Lampoon tragically and erroneously states that Douglas Kenney and Henry Beard are the co-founders of Harvard Lampoon. Truthfully, one of the longest published humor magazines was founded by a girl and only a girl. Submissions by other humorists, even if they're well liked by the girl, are not accepted for life.. Also, Harvard Lampoon is in no way associated with any college and the college which is near the Harvard Lampoon is not named Harvard, but everybody in the whole world knows that. Please correct the mistakes on your wiki article so that I could sleepy happily :) Also, National whatever is not associated with Harvard Lampoon! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.216.232.26 (talk) 08:52, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you have reliable published sources for the information, you are welcome to edit the article, giving the sources. Alternatively, the talk page Talk:Harvard Lampoon is the right place to discuss improvements to the article. --ColinFine (talk) 10:26, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Harvard Lampoon makes no claim to be founded by Douglas Kenney and Henry Beard. Their only mention is: "An important line of demarcation came when Lampoon editors Douglas Kenney and Henry Beard wrote the Tolkien parody Bored of the Rings." This post sounds like attempted humor. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:14, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The first sentence of the article in question is "The Harvard Lampoon is an undergraduate humor publication founded in 1876 by seven undergraduates at Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts." Considering that Harvard University had no women undergraduates in 1876 (or for decades thereafter), one can only assume that 66.216.232.26 is trying to be either clever or insulting. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 23:51, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Article on John McKelvey - Actor

I submitted a page on John McKelvey, the actor, some months ago. So far nothing has happened. I am new to submitting articles to Wikipedia, and I confess that I do not understand all the terms, protocols and stuff. Can anyone help? Has my article been received? Is it in the right format? How does it become part of Wikipedia?

Regards,

Arthur Hill Ganzyratcher — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ganzyratcher (talk • contribs) 08:55, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I quickly looked at your draft and would say that when it gets reviewed it will be declined. While you have 3 references at the end I don't see that they are referencing particular data and don't meet the reliable source requirement for Wikipedia. It is also not formatted correctly for a Wikipedia article. I suggest looking through WP:YFA. My quick Google search did not return any reliable sources but you might be able to find more. Good luck XFEM Skier (talk) 09:27, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It was submitted in August. Have it been missed for reviewing somehow? The backlog is not that long, is it? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:50, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It was created back in August but not actually submitted. The correct template was applied this morning by User:Rankersbo in this edit, and it has now joined the queue for review. - Karenjc (talk) 10:03, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I didn´t know the difference. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:15, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the submission was actually made in the previous edit, also this morning. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:42, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In addition to what is said above, IMDB is not a reliable source. See WP:RS/IMDB. Dismas|^(talk) 10:25, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/John Campbell McKelvey reads like a biography. However, it appears that you got the information from John McKelvey himself (Resume and 'A Life in the theatre' a personal recollection by John McKelvey). Wikipedia uses sources that are independent of the subject (here, independent of John McKelvey) to determine whether to have an article on the topic and determine what should go into the article. Resume and 'A Life in the theatre' a personal recollection by John McKelvey are not sources that are independent of John McKelvey. From his career, he likely has received newspaper, book, and/or magazine coverage that is independent of John McKelvey. Look for and use those independent sources to rewrite the draft. For an example basic biography formatting, take a look at James Le Jeune. The best examples are at Category:FA-Class biography articles. -- Jreferee (talk) 13:24, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone knowledgable about the workings of Google searches and deleted articles?

Hi! Brief summary: An article was created, tagged for deletion, and then deleted by me. Editor asked a question on my page (turns out the article was an autobiography) , and then deleted that, but I responded on her talk page. In the meantime, she raised a request at WP:REFUND, and got a response on her talk page.

Summary over! She has now asked a question regarding Google searches and how to stop the deleted article (which is stating that she is non-notable) cropping up when people search her name. I don't know enough about the workings of search engines to be able to help her. Can anyone stop by her talk page and help her out? Thanks! Stephen! ^Coming... 10:31, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've observed that when I post a new Wikipedia article, the article turns up almost immediately in a Google search. (Google's bots are probably crawling Wikipedia 24/7.) It usually is listed down on the Google search results page, but rises up over the next few days. I assume the opposite would be true for a delete page such as "Mina Ghabel Lunde - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia".Google search. Perhaps over a few days, the Google search of the Mina Ghabel Lunde Wikipedia article will drop down in rank and eventually disappear once the Google bot reports back to Google that there is no such Mina Ghabel Lunde Wikipedia article page. -- Jreferee (talk) 13:03, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How to rename the category

Hello,

what is the procedure to rename the category title which return wrongly.

Regards Ananthesha — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ananthesha (talk • contribs) 14:22, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Renaming of categories is done at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:36, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism text not findable in Wikisource

As reported by User:Discmon in Talk:Escalator, there is some vandalous text appearing in the article, but the offending text appears nowhere in the Wikisource. My guess is that it comes from a vandalized template or Wikicode, but I don't know how to localize it further. Can anybody help fix this, or at least direct me to where to ask for more expert help? Thank you. Reify-tech (talk) 17:44, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Actually it was due a server cache. I purged the page and it's gone. This is the edit. Cheers, --Glaisher [talk] 17:47, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wish to add names to incomplete list of those already identified as 'Men of Santiago de los Caballeros, Dominican Republic'

Hello as found on the the Subject/headline above, I have been trying and failing to edit/add names to the list acknowledged as accepting additional names. Each name of this page has a corresponding page number to locate, and learn more about, and the root of this page was the story about a popular and famous, Dominican artist named Yoryi Morel, whom I knew well as I did the members of his family. I knew many other persons of Santiago as well, a landlocked, second city of the D.R. I would like to add names of people I remember to this page. I have not logged in with Wiki, and I appreciate all of its volunteers as I too wish to become one of. thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.217.48.15 (talk) 17:55, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please add links to the actual pages you are referring to, without them it is very difficult to figure out what you are talking about. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:32, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The IP is talking about Santiago de los Caballeros, where Yoryi Morel is mentioned. Although User:TheRedPenOfDoom has removed some redlinks from the "Notable people" list, as of 1 November, Morel was not on that list, so has not been removed recently (I haven't gone right back), so I'm not quite sure what the IP is referring to. Arjayay (talk) 19:35, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the IP user is trying to add new Notables to the page, and is finding that his red links fall victim to the Red Pen. He's not complaining about Morel's page being missing. I think he wants to know how his additions can survive (and perhaps, how they can have pages like Morel's, too.) The best answer is probably that to justify their belonging on the list, (if they are indeed notable) the subjects first need to have article pages written on them to assert their notability. --Kdtully (talk) 03:41, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And of course we would not have a list of "Men of..." any place; merely of "Notable people of...". --Orange Mike | Talk 01:45, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Twinkle twinkle

Hey guys,

I don't know what was wrong with my TWINKLE, but its not working properly for me for the past hour. Is anybody having the same issue or its working properly? -- L o g X 18:20, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's been reported on the Twinkle talk page here: Wikipedia_talk:Twinkle#Glitch?. Dismas|^(talk) 01:57, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

November 23

Access archives archived by Miszabot

How can I, or is there any easy way, to access and search through the archives that Miszabot and others have moved old sections of talk pages to? Eflatmajor7th (talk) 07:10, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The archives usually appear in the upper right corner of the screen that has archives on them. If you have the specific page that you are looking people might be able to help more. XFEM Skier (talk) 07:50, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Talk:Doctor Who page has an archive with a search box set up for the archive. You should be able to set up a similar archive search box on the talk pages to which you are referring as an easy way, to access and search through the archives. The search box seems to operate the same as adding the search string "October prefix:Talk:Doctor Who/" in the general search box on the upper right of your screen. -- Jreferee (talk) 08:12, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, it was right in front of my face and I just didn't see it... Eflatmajor7th (talk) 21:22, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

biographical entry

My biographical entry is incomplete. What is the procedure to improve it. Is it ethical for me to send the informaton, or sould it be from an independent source? To whom would it be sent?

John Weeks Professor Emeritus of Economics SOAS, University of London

Most recent book: The Economics of the 1%: How mainstream economics serves the rich, obscures reality and distorts policy (Anthem, January 2014) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.154.45.52 (talk) 11:40, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Professor Weeks, and thanks for asking. As you have realised, you have a conflict of interest, and so are strongly discouraged from editing the article. As indicated on the page Best practices for editors with close associations, your best course is to make suggestions on the talk page (in this case, Talk:John Weeks (economist)), so that uninvolved editors can decide what to add. All information should be referenced to reliable published sources; for non-controversial factual information the source can be connected with you (eg the SOAS web page) but for anything evaluative or potentially controversial it should be referenced to an independent source. In the case of a book, its existence is easy to substantiate; but an article about a person should not necessarily mention every publication, and it would be desirable to reference an independent source such as a review that establishes that the book is notable enough to appear in the article. --ColinFine (talk) 11:55, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There is no problem with you identifying source material that is independent of yourself. However, your recent book is not independent of John Weeks. The SOAS staff listing source and Weeks personal home page cited as references in the John Weeks article - the only two references listed in that article - are not independent of John Weeks. The columns you have written and the things you said in interviews are not independent of John Weeks. Unfortunately, your name is so common that it is difficult to find any reliable source newspaper, books, or magazine articles about your life. You can help put by identifying two reliable sources that discuss you life in detail and that are independent of John Weeks. You can post that source material in this thread. I suggest avoid listing websites and press releases as source material. You also can create an 'In the News' section on your personal home page that lists newspaper, book, and magazine media coverage of your life events (including reviews of your books and other written material). Wikipedia editors then can go through that source list and expand the John Weeks biography. It would help Wikipedia editors if you use APA style, Harvard style , or Chicago style with URL links to the source material. -- Jreferee (talk) 14:00, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Which template to use for tagging external link

When should I use {{Login required}} and when {{Registration required}} when tagging an external link? More specifically, which of the two should I use for tagging the fourth link at Great Internet Mersenne Prime Search#External links? -- Toshio Yamaguchi 13:49, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GIMPS Forum is an official discussion forum of GIMPS, but if it requires a login and the page shown by clicking on the URL does show any information about GIMPS that would be helpful to the Wikipedia or is directly relevant to the GIMPS Wikipedia article. WP:LINKSTOAVOID (1) site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a featured article, (6) Sites that require registration to view the relevant content, (10) chat or discussion forums, (12) Open wikis (for the Mersenne Wiki EL), 13. Sites that are only indirectly related to the article's subject, such as a discussion forum website on an article about the general GIMPS subject. -- Jreferee (talk) 14:50, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And regarding the GIMPS Wikipedia article, there are hundreds of reliable sources that are independent of the subject from which the article can be written. Yet, the article is almost entirely sourced to the Great Internet Mersenne Prime Search published material, which is not independent of the subject of the article. The article should be stubbed and allowed to expand with independent source material. -- Jreferee (talk) 14:57, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Help with copyright issue please!

I've found a picture from a different language Wikipedia article that I want to use on the English Wikipedia, the original is here, I have looked around on the internet for this and can only seem to find it on journals and other sort of sites with no information on the copyright such as [12] it comes from allegedly the Richard Rein - Rasse und Kultur unserer Urväter. Ein methodisch-schultechnisches Hilfsbuch für Unterricht und Vorträge in der Vorgeschichte. 1936. "Race and culture of our ancestors. Methodological manual for school classes and lectures on ancient history." but I can't seem to find this on any official websites. The article in the Russian Wikipedia states that its past its copyright date

"This work is in the public domain because the term of the exclusive rights to it has expired. It was first made public until January 1, 1943 , and its author (if known) died before that date."

So would this be okay to just save the image and upload it as copyright expired?--Windows66 (talk) 14:34, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

my wikikedia page

Hello, I am writing you because a wikipedia luxembourg has been created. And as a luxembourgish director, my information are visible. I dont want that some information about me been so easily found. Even if they are somehwere in internet. I asked the moderator about my request and they are not doing anything. If my request is not done, i want that they remove me totally from wikipedia, what they ndont do either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyrus neshvad (talk • contribs) 14:56, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

List of Wikipedias#List does not show a link for Luxembourgish Wikipedia. This appears to be Luxembourgish Wikipedia. There is a Diskussioun:Cyrus Neshvad here that began 7. Aug. 2013. It looks like the Diskussioun:Cyrus Neshvad page was blanked 13. Aug. 2013‎ by User:Zinneke.[13] The article page, Cyrus Neshvad, is still be there. English Wikipedia's information on Dealing with articles about yourself is at WP:BIOSELF. English Wikipedia information where the subject of an article has requested deletion of the article is at WP:BLPDEL. You maybe able to use that information back at Luxembourgish Wikipedia to support your request that the Cyrus Neshvad article on Luxembourgish Wikipedia be deleted. English Wikipedia does not normally delete or blank discussion talk pages. We do have Wikipedia:Courtesy vanishing and Wikipedia:Oversight that can result in the removal of particular posts, including talk page posts. Luxembourgish Wikipedia may have something equivalent to these. English Wikipedia does not have a Cyrus Neshvad page, so there is not much we can do here. You might be able to find help from users listed in Category:Luxembourg Wikipedians or Category:Wikipedians in Luxembourg.-- Jreferee (talk) 15:23, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

privacy concerns are probably best handled through the WP:OTRS channels. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 16:30, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've been asked to comment on this by Jreferee. I'm afraid that, not writing Luxembourgish, I cannot contribute to the deletion discussion directly, but I will say that I'm not sure what Mr. Neshvad finds bad about his article (which incidentally is here). It seems to be pretty anemic and carries only very basic information, with no "controversy" or remotely libelous or invasive content. In fact, 50% of the article is content found on Mr. Neshvad's own website, and the rest comes from the Lux government's website. I know different Wikis have different notability criteria, but to be honest, I think his best option might be to argue that he is non-notable. There are certainly no WP:RS on him that I can discover. Brigade Piron (talk) 16:46, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Help on Creating A New Page (Unique-ish situation)

Hello, I'm a new user to Wikipedia seeking to create a new page. However, I'd like to state my situation a bit more specifically so I could possibly have a bit more pinpointed help. I currently taking a Literature class in my high school that is requiring it's students to do a project on something that would change the world. I decided that my world-changing project would revolve around adding to the largest collection of information on the Internet, this site. If it wouldn't be any trouble, I would like some suggestions on tips on what I could create a new page on as well as some of the materials (like books) I should keep in mind and use when creating this new page. Thanks, gauhceGoose — Preceding unsigned comment added by GaucheGoose (talk • contribs) 16:14, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

More potential subjects that you can shake a stick at : Wikipedia:Requested articles.

Reading this before you start will probably be very helpful: Wikipedia:Your first article.

Good luck!-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 16:22, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What are the best hours to edit/view Wikipedia?

There have been some complaints recently (example} about busy servers and technical problems. Just wondering if there are less busy hours in the day to access Wikipedia. Thanks in advance, XOttawahitech (talk) 17:39, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

content authenticity and lack of monitoring

please remind the general public more often that what isthe mode of operation of wikipedia. Fact is that amount of disinformation is growing so fast and especially people behind many usernames are in fact professional promotion agencies and thus provide paid-for dis-information. Currently many so-called trend topics, ufos, genetics, etc. are soon containing more paid pages than actual, referenced information.Say, you have interest on origin of human. 1st thing you get is fiction after fiction stating notes and quotes from tv-series!!! Pleade, just delete or categorize pages like those under class: fiction. To begin with, separate fact and fiction! Only thing preventing me from donating money for wikipedia is the fact that you do not provide what you say you do. Eg. ancient aliens as tv-series is reauired to have statement about program being fictious entertainment, but wikipedia claims it as truth or at least as equivivalent. Now, you have a decision to make, cut out shit or sell shit. What is it goung to be?

You could help us by giving examples of pages with misinformation on them, or fiction presented as fact, so that we can deal with them. Maproom (talk) 18:50, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Editing

Hi. I am a donor to Wikipedia as I find it so useful. However I find editing so complex I have been unable to add an article. The "Teahouse" was equally bewildering and when I tried to type a question on "livechat" my typing did not connect Is there a user friendly guide to editing Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davidg58 (talk • contribs) 20:03, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The tutorial at WP:TUTORIAL should help you get started. RudolfRed (talk) 20:54, 23 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox Float Right

I'm using this sample infobox to guide me in creating my own. All I want it to do is align to the right like most infoboxes found on the Wiki. -- MF14 00:25, 24 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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