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:::Indeed, but I'm not the one who has authored most of these articles nor am I trying to accomplish anything other than an adherence to policy. --[[User:Scalhotrod|Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy...]] ([[User talk:Scalhotrod#top|talk]]) 21:28, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
:::Indeed, but I'm not the one who has authored most of these articles nor am I trying to accomplish anything other than an adherence to policy. --[[User:Scalhotrod|Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy...]] ([[User talk:Scalhotrod#top|talk]]) 21:28, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

::Ownership? No. [[WP:STEWARDSHIP]]? Yes. Also, you might want to review [[Wikipedia:Ownership_of_articles#Examples_of_ownership_behaviour|Examples of ownership behavior.]] ... What I'm seeing in regards to this topic - and have seen for some months - is a push by a number of editors who don't seem to want to acknowledge to Wikipedia readers that there are ''in-force'' assault weapons bans, or that there ever was ''any'' assault weapons ban except for the federal ban that expired 10 years ago. [[User:Lightbreather|Lightbreather]] ([[User talk:Lightbreather|talk]]) 21:45, 5 May 2014 (UTC)


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Thank you for helping to peacefully resolve a great many of the challenges that we're seeing in some of our firearms articles. Justanonymous (talk) 19:12, 2 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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For your recent (fantastic) articles on things as varied as architects, popular culture and the banjo, I award you this barnstar. Keep up the great work! :). Ironholds (talk) 02:01, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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I just want to say you are doing a great job of taking the workload of working on the lede in the Second Amendment article. Im making quibbles to make improvements that I see, but I do not want you to interpret that as anything other than collaboration - you are doing the tough job of proposing text, and getting shot down by everyone else :). I think the various revisions are noticeably better from revision to revision, and we are narrowing in on something that everyone can agree to. Gaijin42 (talk) 16:59, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Go to ANI if you don't like it but my comment is not a personal attack and as I'm in part refuting your attempt to argue a ridiculous bases for notability you are misrepresentating the state of discussion when you do that. Please stop edit/revert warring. if you have a problem with a specific part of my comment then drop me note on my talkpage to explain exactly where the issue is but frankly you need to grow a thicker skin. You have said equally strong things about other editors who you disagree with but that doesn't seem to bother you. Spartaz Humbug! 14:55, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You had options of where to post your comment and how you worded it, but you chose to do it publicly and directed specifically at me. I made a comment based in logic from a data analysis or statistical perspective and you attacked me for it. I have never used ANI before and letting others weigh in on your comment might be a good instance to use it for the first time, thank you for your suggestion. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 15:10, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The opening section of the article is clear: it deals only with recordings "made available publicly". In addition, rumored or unverified claims generally fail WP:V and WP:RS; here, the claim is also a BLP violation. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 15:45, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Hullaballoo Wolfowitz, thank you for your comment and for getting around to signing it. I realize that you appear to have an intense interest in Porn related articles and I thank you for your efforts. I would have to say due largely in part to your interest and efforts that you have been indirectly responsible for the creation of more Porn related content in the last few months than any one else I have observed. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 15:53, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I've declined the speedy and moved the article for China Spy back to the editor's userspace. It wasn't so unambiguously promotional that I'd have speedied it for that, although it could have been speedied as a recreation of a page deleted (sort of) at AfD. But since the edits are recent, I moved it back to the userspace. Now if they do re-add it to the mainspace, you can always speedy it under WP:G4 or re-take it to AfD, I suppose. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 09:16, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, I was new page patrolling when I came across it. I checked several of the sources could not find a release date anywhere for the movie. It's like someone is trying to drum up support to make it, not actually document a film that its any stage of production. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 16:32, 25 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  • To be honest, that was one of my first thoughts as well and I was tempted to delete it because it looks like it's one of those things that will likely never release and if it does, won't gain coverage. However since it was previously userfied, I figure moving it back was probably the right way to go. If he re-creates it then it can be speedyable through other means, though. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 03:52, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Favor, please

Could you do me and other editors on the Gun politics in the U.S. page and not make lots of edits in one edit - and leave better edit summaries? Edits like this one.[2] I used to do these kinds, for which I'd get my head chewed off. Thanks. Lightbreather (talk) 23:00, 6 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

While I can appreciate your perception of my edits, I'm editing in the same way that I do on any article, gun related or otherwise. Difs can be perceived both ways, I'm not someone who is trying to quickly rack up an edit count, but I do try to edit in "manageable chunks". Its not unusual for me to do "full article" edits and completely overhaul a stub or badly formatted article.
As for my edit summaries, sure, I'm happy to add more detail. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 23:09, 6 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I'm not asking you to change your habits across Wikipedia - only on gun related articles. I think that's fair, since others (including myself) have been asked to do so. Lightbreather (talk) 23:17, 6 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Like I said, I'm happy to add more detail to the Summaries, but I'm not making any promises regarding my edit style. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 23:24, 6 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
OK. But if anyone gives me any crap about doing "big" edits like that, I hope you won't join in... and maybe even help me. :-) Lightbreather (talk) 00:00, 7 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, I'll be the first to defend good editing, grammar, vocabulary usage, and reasonable thinking even if it means a complete reversal of an opinion I hold. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 00:04, 7 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Where should we discuss this?

Obviously we have a disagreement about the 21st century advocacy section and sources. I though this last edit and summary of yours was a little harsh.[3] Where shall we discuss? If not here, would you start the discussion? Lightbreather (talk) 00:18, 7 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I already started it here... --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 00:20, 7 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Huh? That link seems to be about the Types of firearms section, which I think is overblown for the article - so I thank you for that. Lightbreather (talk) 00:23, 7 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies, you meant the explanation stuff. OK... here. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 00:29, 7 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I think you're being a bit unreasonable here, particularly since the initial edit you reverted treated the President's comment as a statement of fact. My edit clearly attributed it to him and added the NRA because he directed his comment at Republicans and the NRA. I think you should compare my initial edit to the version before. --75.68.97.241 (talk) 18:28, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It's quite clearly you that being unreasonable. I removed the commentary entirely, no president's remarks, no parties, no NRA. The article is about the shooting and the section is about things related to gun control since the incident. What's unreasonable about keeping the political debate and rhetoric out of this artile? --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 18:37, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The entire section is about commentary. It's the subsection under "Reactions" covering "Gun control". The push for more gun control (and resultant push against it) was perhaps the most prominent national reaction to Sandy Hook. The section opens with a direct quote from the President explaining his intentions, the body of the section contains quotes and reactions from various politicians and groups on both sides of the debate, and the closing covers the defeat of the only Bill that saw a vote at the national level, and quotes from both sides of the aisle, including the President. That's not just neutral, that's good writing, I think. The only part I took out was a single word that treated Obama's words as fact (and since he was criticizing Republicans and the NRA, that's clearly not neutral), and adding the NRA, since in the quote he specifically directs his criticism at both Republicans and the NRA.
I'm note sure what you're classifying as rhetoric, but your suggestion to keep politics out of a section specifically covering a political issue confuses me. If anything this section should cover legislative reaction to Sandy Hook (ie, new gun control laws in Colorado, New York, Maryland and Connecticut) in far more detail. --75.68.97.241 (talk) 19:47, 8 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
From my perspective you seem to be confusing rhetoric (and editorial) with facts. The President's remarks about the push for gun control are appropriate, his views on the parties regarding the legislation not going he wanted it to are not. Do you understand the difference? The comments invite other editorial opinion and that is not what the article is about, plain and simple. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 00:49, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That's a reasonable take, but I still disagree, largely because the president was the focal-point for gun control efforts, so when they failed it's reasonable to include his reaction. The section also includes analysis from the NRA and a reaction from a Republican lawmaker. Wikipedia can't endorse a specific viewpoint (as some of the editors on the talk page certainly did), but it can report the viewpoints of others. It's reasonable to believe that readers will agree with one and disagree with another, and as evidence I'll use another comment from the talk section from an editor who apparently felt the article unfairly represented the pro-gun rights side. As it stands I feel the article fairly covers both while endorsing neither. --75.68.97.241 (talk) 18:09, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Just FYI - it seems there have been some pretty drastic changes to the article over the past 48 hours. I've made my opinions known and will now likely recuse myself of further edits, outside reverting vandalism and keeping an eye on the conspiracy theory article. Thanks for your time, and I'm sorry you and I could not come to a consensus. --75.68.97.241 (talk) 19:11, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Talk:US_Airways Already started a discussion on it. Let's hope it won't get removed again. But I won't hold my breath. Tutelary (talk) 16:50, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I've been staying away from that article for the most part as it is a complete mess, but I almost threw an "Essay" tag on it last night because that's how it reads. Thanks for taking the initiative to fix it. --Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 17:11, 18 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I also clarified the NFA/GCA verbiage as it was focused just on machine guns which we know was not the intention. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 17:15, 18 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you. --Lightbreather (talk) 14:55, 25 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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There is an RfC on the Gun politics in the U.S. talk page which may be of interest to editors who participated in "RfC: Remove Nazi gun control argument?" on the Gun control talk page.

Thank you. --Lightbreather (talk) 22:26, 25 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Why?

The original percentages in numerals were MOS compliant. Why do you insist on spelling them out? Lightbreather (talk) 01:52, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Simple, words force the reader to actually read the text in its context and not just skim it. It actually helps to convey the information in a cohesive manner. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 01:55, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
According to whom? I follow the AP Styleguide and it say no such thing. Lightbreather (talk) 02:16, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I follow my experience from twenty-five years of editing, then again I'm just as capable of writing crap as anyone. I'm also in favor on not dumbing down articles to a 5th grade reader level like most newspapers. If you choose to use a writing guide, that's your prerogative. Please don't be upset when others do not wish to have it inflicted on them. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 02:28, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
That reply was a bit harsh. Wikipedia follows std style rules unless there's an agreement on an exception. You have 3 Rs on Gun control after the Sandy Hook Elementary school shooting, I think. I hope you'll let it go. Lightbreather (talk) 02:34, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Any perception of harshness is entirely in your interpretation. Please own up to that and stop blaming others for how you feel. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 03:00, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
To be fair, wikipedia follows wikipedia's style guide. AP is a nice guide, but it has no relevance to the wiki. Both forms are allowed in MOS:NUMERAL and this is an item that will just have to be dealt with via consensus. But to both of you, aren't there real issues where our energy is better spent than bickering over what format we put numbers in? Gaijin42 (talk) 02:40, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
From WP:MOS:
Style and formatting should be consistent within an article, though not necessarily throughout Wikipedia. Where more than one style is acceptable, editors should not change an article from one of those styles to another without a good reason. Edit warring over optional styles is unacceptable. If discussion cannot determine which style to use in an article, defer to the style used by the first major contributor.
The 2nd and final sentences apply especially here, I think. Lightbreather (talk) 02:51, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You're absolutely correct, you're the one that took offense by the change and reverted it. If you're going to cite a policy that allows for both styles and then state that "Edit warring over optional styles is unacceptable", then this perceived problem is entirely your creation. I'm not the one that others have accused of OWNERSHIP and this kind of behavior is an example of that. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 03:00, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I fear on this issue, I think LB has the better of you. Between the bit quoted above, and WP:STATUSQUO the onus would be on you to develop a consensus to change. Gaijin42 (talk) 03:06, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That's understandable stance, but the fault here still lies with LB for reverting the change. If its truly an optional style, then it should not have mattered, but it did and now she's defending it. That's a pretty straightforward indication of WP:OWNERSHIP. I made a change, LB made an "issue" out of it. We would not be having this discussion if it were not the case. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 03:11, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
"Where more than one style is acceptable, editors should not change an article from one of those styles to another without a good reason." More than one style is acceptable. You changed from the one that was already used to another, without giving a good reason.[4] You gave your reason, after I asked you here, but it doesn't sync with what journalists and other writers are taught. But please, let's let it go - especially the character stuff. Lightbreather (talk) 03:30, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
What part of "Wikipedia is an Encyclopedia" do you not get? Since when are journalists or other writers taught to write for encyclopedias? --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 03:42, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
My point is that trained writers, including those that write for encyclopedias, use style guides. Here is a link to an Encyclopedia Britannica article:
Assault Weapons: Year in Review 2013. Do they spell out numbers over nine, or use numerals? Lightbreather (talk) 03:51, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Nice example, is the horse sufficiently dead or would you like to beat it more? --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 04:00, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

revert

I only meant to revert that last change, not the one before. Sorry. I have re-implemented your prior edit. Gaijin42 (talk) 02:14, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note to Lightbreather and Scalhotrod on that, I am not taking a stand either way on the numeral change, I just didn't mean to revert that, so I undid my own change. I shouldn't be counted toward consensus either way on that point. Gaijin42 (talk) 02:17, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
No worries, thanks for letting me know. BTW, I reverted the restoration of the appointment. The source cited makes no connection to the Sandy Hook incident. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 02:19, 28 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Trains...?! Cool, I love trains... :) I'm not worried in the slightest. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 14:10, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not either, apparently some button clicker who never heard the F word thinks I'm a dirty whore because I used it once and has to keep mentioning it everytime his action's are questioned, but if I was a cowardly limey nancy boy who said it in every other sentence that would be ok, because as long as you're on their side of the atlantic ocean or political aisle profanity is not uncivil.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 18:18, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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You made a series of nine big edits on the GPUS article. Some of them I liked, some of them I have no strong opinion about one way or another, some I disagree with. Some of your edit summaries were complete and accurate; some were not. I am going to make a series of edits, too. Just a heads up, and let's take it easy with each other on any edit summaries or talk-page comments, OK? Lightbreather (talk) 16:41, 4 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Works for me... :) --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 16:27, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Explanation

Could you please explain your most resent revert at Gun politics in the United States‎‎ at the talk page there. As mentioned at the policy you pointed too isn't about establishing notability for people who are sourced, it is about establishing notability for articles. Notice, your at your third revert. Thenub314 (talk) 19:44, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Between you and Lightbreather, I'm not sure who made the edit, but the material was removed because the notability of the people making the editorial statements was not established. None of them have WP articles, so they are not WP:NOTABLE (or WP:PEOPLE if you prefer) in that regard. Listing a bunch of names and then saying effectively "these random people agree on this, so it must be true" does not work on Wikipedia. Are any of them worthy of articles on their own? --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 21:13, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
You have your policy mixed up. See WP:Reliable Sources for a guideline as to which sources should be used for citation. WP:NOTABLE is just not at issue. These are Books and Journal Articles referencing the effects of various events on the gun politics in the US, how are they no appropriate? Do you mean to tell me if I check back at ever reference you've added, the author's will all have a WP page, and if they don't I am free to remove the insufficiently referenced material? Thenub314 (talk) 21:36, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop

Please stop deleting this sourced material from the GPUS article. (This is the diff: [5], with edit summary, "Switching to non-controversial source and removing redundant content again per WP:MOS")

First, I disagree that OpenSecrets.org is controversial. Second, even if it were (for argument's sake), there is no policy that says controversial sources cannot be used. Third, the material you keep replacing this with is sourced with an OK source, but it pre-dates Super PACs. Fourth, your preferred source is included with the one you don't like in the material you keep deleting (in case you didn't notice). And fifth - I explained all of this in the GPUS discussion of just one month ago Presenting OpenSecrets.org figures - and the material stayed. Please add something if you think it will improve the article, but deleting this material does not improve the article, so please stop. Thanks. Lightbreather (talk) 20:15, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

1) Disagree all you want, others have commented that its editorial material is suspect. 2) Yes there is and there is policy that gives preference to established and especially print sources. 3) I've deleting redundant material that is meant to be supplemented by Wikilinks and their related articles. Please stop "dumbing down" the article. 4) The source is fine for factual material, you should be happy I'm using it at all. 5) Your explanation does not override policy or consensus of which there was no consensus and the lack of it does not justify your edits. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 20:53, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Assault weapons ban article's name

Re renaming Assault weapons ban as "Assault weapons legislation": WP:V, WP:RS and the majority of the general populace call them assault weapons bans. Please start a discussion on that article's talk page, with sources supporting the change, if you want to consider changing its name. Thanks. Lightbreather (talk) 21:04, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Do you worry or even consider how much evidence you're piling up against yourself for a case of WP:OWNERSHIP to be made for a myriad of articles? --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 21:12, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Those in glass houses... Thenub314 (talk) 21:24, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, but I'm not the one who has authored most of these articles nor am I trying to accomplish anything other than an adherence to policy. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 21:28, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Ownership? No. WP:STEWARDSHIP? Yes. Also, you might want to review Examples of ownership behavior. ... What I'm seeing in regards to this topic - and have seen for some months - is a push by a number of editors who don't seem to want to acknowledge to Wikipedia readers that there are in-force assault weapons bans, or that there ever was any assault weapons ban except for the federal ban that expired 10 years ago. Lightbreather (talk) 21:45, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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--Lightbreather (talk) 21:22, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

To quote you from Mike's page, Hey Pot, how's its going? From, the Kettle. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 21:25, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW: I believe that you're quoting Mike from my page: [10] Lightbreather (talk) 21:32, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
If the shoe fits... --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 21:33, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]