Template talk:Did you know
This page is for nominations to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page.
Instructions
Using a DYK suggestion string (see below examples), list new suggestions in the candidate entries section below under the date the article was created or the expansion began (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the top. Any user may nominate a DYK suggestion; self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination.
DYK criteria
Sample DYK suggestion strings
Please use one of the strings below to post your DYK nomination, using the "author" and "nominator" fields to identify the users who should receive credit for their contributions if the hook is featured on the main page.
- Nom without image:
{{subst:NewDYKnom | article= | hook=... that ? | author= }}
- Nom with image:
{{subst:NewDYKnom | article= | hook=... that ? | author= | image= | caption= }}
- To include more than one new or expanded article in a single hook:
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| (etc) - To include more than one author:
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| (etc) - To include alternate hooks:
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| (etc) - To add a comment:
|comment=
- To add the article you reviewed:
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- To include more than one new or expanded article in a single hook:
Do not wikilink the article title, or the author username field; the template will wikilink them automatically. Do wikilink the article title in the hook field, however.
Do not add a section heading if you are using the template; the template will add one for you.
Do not include a signature (~~~~) after the template.
Do not use non-free images in your hook suggestion.
An example of how to use the template is given below:
{{subst:DYKsug | article = Example | hook = ... that this [[article]] is an '''[[example]]''' ''(pictured)''? | creator = Jimbo Wales | expander = | nominator = | image = Example.png | comment = }}
- Note that you should only use one of the above templates for the original hook. If you want to suggest a second, alternative hook for the same article submission, just type it in manually. The above templates output useful code for each submission and if you employ them for alternative hooks, you will mess up the page formatting.
- When saving your suggestion, please add the name of the suggested article to your edit summary.
- Please check back for comments on your nomination. Responding to reasonable objections will help ensure that your article is listed.
- If you nominate someone else's article, you can use {{subst:DYKNom}} to notify them. Usage: {{subst:DYKNom|Article name|September 12}} Thanks, ~~~~
Symbols
If you want to confirm that an article is ready to be placed on a later update, or that there is an issue with the article or hook, you may use the following symbols (optional) to point the issues out:
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{{subst:DYKtick}} | Yes | No problems, ready for DYK |
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{{subst:DYKtickAGF}} | Yes | Article is ready for DYK, with a foreign-language or offline hook reference accepted in good faith |
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{{subst:DYK?}} | Query | DYK eligibility requires that an issue be addressed. Notify nominator with {{subst:DYKproblem|Article}}
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{{subst:DYK?no}} | Maybe | DYK eligibility requires additional work. Notify nominator with {{subst:DYKproblem|Article}}
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{{subst:DYKno}} | No | Article is either completely ineligible, or else requires considerable work before becoming eligible |
Please consider using {{subst:DYKproblem}} on the user's talk page, in case they do not notice if there is an issue.
Backlogged?
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Candidate entries
Articles created/expanded on January 24
- that the television series Use It or Lose It documented the return of former association footballers Niall Quinn and Ronnie Whelan to their respective youth teams? (new article, self-nom) --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 20:56, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
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- Two possibilities. (new article, self nom) --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 20:47, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- ...that an episode of the documentary series Hostage detailed the 1988 kidnapping of two nurses in Ethiopia?
- ...that an episode of the documentary series Hostage detailed Saddam Hussein's placing of two Irish civilians as "human shields" at sites of strategic importance during the Gulf War?
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Length, image, and 5x expansion verified. Off-line book sources accepted in good faith. Jappalang (talk) 16:25, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
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- ... that the first head coach of the Atlanta Hawks was Roger Potter, who coached for only seven games with the Hawks? New article, self-nom by -- SRE.K.A
nnoyomous.L.24 review me 01:17, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 23
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Looks great, but the reference for the claim doesn't mention the Ghent treaty. - Mgm|(talk) 13:16, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- It was the treaty that concluded the war though. I am not sure if there is really any controversy here. If I find one specifically naming the treaty I will add it. Feel free to add an alternate hook.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 14:34, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
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length and age for article check out. Offline refs accepted in good faith. - Mgm|(talk) 13:12, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
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- Alt hook: "... that the Streamline Moderne building of the Washington Talking Book & Braille Library is a former Dodge dealership, designed by the Seattle architectural firm that later became NBBJ?" (or cut off after Dodge dealership) - Jmabel | Talk 21:00, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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Template:DYKsuggestion Thruxton (talk) 19:08, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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Lenght 2,510 characters, reference checked. Mario1987 13:49, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
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Lenght and reference ok. Mario1987 13:46, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
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- Alt 1: ... that "al-Tourbini", who raped and murdered at least 30 children in Egypt, claimed that he was possessed by a jinn who ordered him to commit the crimes? --BorgQueen (talk) 19:59, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Alt 2: ... that in Tanta, Egypt, some restaurants sell sandwiches named after a serial child rapist-killer? --BorgQueen (talk) 23:19, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Length, >1500 characters, and sources verified (second one in good faith). I am going to assume that "Tourbini" and "Turbuni" are variants of the same name. Prefer the original DYK. Jappalang (talk) 12:56, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you and yes, "Tourbini" and "Turbuni" are different transliterations of the same Arabic name. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:06, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- Alt 1: ... that "al-Tourbini", who raped and murdered at least 30 children in Egypt, claimed that he was possessed by a jinn who ordered him to commit the crimes? --BorgQueen (talk) 19:59, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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- Please re-format your DYK hook in the form of a question.--74.14.17.102 (talk) 19:45, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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- I added the parenthetical (song sheet pictured). Hope that's alright.Cbl62 (talk) 06:57, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Oops, forgot that. Thanks.--King Bedford I Seek his grace 07:04, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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- ... that fifty-two of Sholto Johnstone Douglas's paintings of First World War "dazzle ships" (dazzle camouflage pictured) are in the Imperial War Museum? - new, self-nom by Xn4 (talk) 03:21, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on January 22
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Good to go and WOW! Mario1987 13:42, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
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- Though User:69.255.118.198's edits didn't vastly increase the page's size, s/he put in substantial copyediting and citation adding work to make this a decent article, and deserves recognition if the hook makes the main page. Hope I've credited appropriately in the template. Gonzonoir (talk) 22:30, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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- Before anyone complains about the "length delta", go back in the article history to the last major version - it consists entirely of text copy and pasted from another source. The current version is completely new, in spite of the original being created recently. Maury Markowitz (talk) 01:53, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- The expansion is enough, but it isn't because "the last major version ... consists entirely of text copy and pasted from another source" (see Additional Rule A4). It's because that version consists mainly of a block quote, which isn't considered "prose" requiring expansion (Additional Rule A2), a list, and references, which also aren't "prose" (WP:DYK#Selection criteria 2.) Art LaPella (talk) 05:22, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Wow, I didn't know about that particular rule. That's a garbage rule that should be thrown out. Tempshill (talk) 19:42, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Wikipedia talk:Did you know is the place to debate the rules. Art LaPella (talk) 20:17, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Wow, I didn't know about that particular rule. That's a garbage rule that should be thrown out. Tempshill (talk) 19:42, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- The expansion is enough, but it isn't because "the last major version ... consists entirely of text copy and pasted from another source" (see Additional Rule A4). It's because that version consists mainly of a block quote, which isn't considered "prose" requiring expansion (Additional Rule A2), a list, and references, which also aren't "prose" (WP:DYK#Selection criteria 2.) Art LaPella (talk) 05:22, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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- I think it should be "...are forbidden from mentioning that a defendant has refused to testify." Grsz11 23:38, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- Fixed above, thanks. Tempshill (talk) 01:12, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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Article suffers from plagiarism of source, i.e. sections of text (including the text the hook is composed from) are lifted from the source. Jappalang (talk) 23:03, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- Last time I checked, it was preferable to have a hook confirmed verbatim in the source. The rest of the article can be a problem. - Mgm|(talk) 11:50, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- The issue was not copying the hook from the Wikipedia article's text, it was the article's text (of the hook) copied from the source material. Jappalang (talk) 21:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- I have reworked the entire article. Is it any better now? Jack1956 (talk) 11:53, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Length, >1500 characters, and sources verified. Jappalang (talk) 21:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Image not okay (possible non-public domain image); it can likely qualify for fair use but cannot be used for this hook since only "free" images are allowed. Jappalang (talk) 21:57, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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Length, >1500 characters, and sources verified. Jappalang (talk) 23:00, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
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- ALT1: ... that Hayao Miyazaki's 1984 science fiction animated film Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind was an influence on the stage designs of the video game Alisia Dragoon? Jappalang (talk) 14:38, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that Alisia Dragoon was one of the first few video games to challenge gender bias, featuring a female character in a leading role who is capable of defending herself without male help? Jappalang (talk) 14:38, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
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- Frontpage advertising on Wikipedia for a new publication? --74.14.22.20 (talk) 16:41, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- No. I wrote a new article and I think I could get a DYK. That is all. Alientraveller (talk) 17:30, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- Currently on the market? Fine for a new article: I agree that it's not so good for the Main Page.--Wetman (talk) 02:45, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- But it still meets DYK requirement. Alientraveller (talk) 10:32, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- What happened to the "No Ads" clause in the Unwritten Rules? --74.14.21.155 (talk) 20:23, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- But it still meets DYK requirement. Alientraveller (talk) 10:32, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- ... that both Charles Langbridge Morgan, a civil engineer, and his son Charles Langbridge Morgan, a playwright and novelist, served in the British Armed Forces during the First World War? - new article, self nom - Dumelow (talk) 13:16, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
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- Just one ref? --74.14.22.20 (talk) 16:43, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
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- Great pictures in this one. (ahh, didn't see the link...) Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:44, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
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Articles created/expanded on January 21
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- ALT: ... that after serving as a Union Army general during the American Civil War, Joseph Alexander Cooper (pictured) was enlisted to suppress Ku Klux Klan disturbances in Tennessee? --74.14.21.155 (talk) 20:32, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
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This hook is sourced to a dictionary (a sample of such can be seen here)! It is not plausible on evidence. Jappalang (talk) 21:40, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
It is sourced to The Fighting Ships of the Rising Sun by Howarth. The word Kamikaze is sourced to the dictionary. Length is good. Time is good. spryde | talk 00:06, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- I took the liberty of italicizing the ship name for you. Manxruler (talk) 01:30, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- After more than 20 years, what do you expect? I'm amazed that she survived the entire WW2. --74.14.21.155 (talk) 20:34, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
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- This sounds like someone trying to be politically correct. What was her color? - Mgm|(talk) 12:24, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- I wish I could tell you, I can't find anything that says what her race was, but I can find numerous sources that say "of color." I found one picture that claims to be of her, if it is, then I would have to guess Native American or Hispanic, but the page the picture is on would not be considered to be reliable.---Balloonman PoppaBalloonCSD Survey Results 18:27, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that the 2005 World Series of Poker Ladies Champion was nominated for an Academy Award in 1994?---Balloonman PoppaBalloonCSD Survey Results 18:27, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Might as well link to Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress. Don't give it away with a link to the film, though. :) --74.14.17.102 (talk) 19:36, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, you could list the film... the person who won the Best Supporting Actress was in the same film ;0---Balloonman PoppaBalloonCSD Survey Results 19:52, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Might as well link to Academy Award for Best Supporting Actress. Don't give it away with a link to the film, though. :) --74.14.17.102 (talk) 19:36, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that a 1994 Academy Award nominee won the 2005 World Series of Poker Ladies Championship and is known to poker players as the Unibombshell?---Balloonman PoppaBalloonCSD Survey Results 18:27, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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Hook, length, and references verified. Ganesh Dhamodkar (Talk) 06:21, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
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This article is totally based on primary sources (information from the Port authorities in the Tokyo Government). Wikipedia is based on the principles of mostly using secondary sources removed from the subject (WP:V). This should be so especially for information that could be contested such as claims of being the first as per this case. A search on Google books, bring up independent sources such as these, that should be used to build the article (and source for the hook) instead. Jappalang (talk) 01:03, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- I've added a new source. Mario1987 09:36, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
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- This needs rephrasing not to sound daffy: none of the Founding Fathers was born inside of the United States.--Wetman (talk) 06:48, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- If you still think this hook is not perfect, can you suggest an alternative?—Chris! ct 21:01, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- ALT 1: ... that Alexander Hamilton was the first Cabinet member to be born outside of the United States?—Chris! ct 21:06, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that former Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton was the first Cabinet member to be born outside of the territory that would become the United States? (too wordy but less confusing - none of Washington's cabinet was born in the United States, just places that would become a part of the United States) - Dravecky (talk) 07:19, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- ALT 1: ... that Alexander Hamilton was the first Cabinet member to be born outside of the United States?—Chris! ct 21:06, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- We could avoid Hamilton entirely, and go with something like ALT 3:"... that President George W. Bush appointed three Cabinet members who had been born outside of the United States, the most of any president?" or ALT 4:"... that five past United States Treasury Secretaries were born outside of the United States?" Shimgray | talk | 19:48, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- I like ALT 3.—Chris! ct 19:56, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- We could avoid Hamilton entirely, and go with something like ALT 3:"... that President George W. Bush appointed three Cabinet members who had been born outside of the United States, the most of any president?" or ALT 4:"... that five past United States Treasury Secretaries were born outside of the United States?" Shimgray | talk | 19:48, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- ... that the remnants of 2005's Tropical Depression Ten partially contributed to the formation of Hurricane Katrina? –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 19:32, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
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Length and >1500 characters verified. Article is, however, created from a single source, a primary one at that, the Danish Royal House. A search on Google reveals quite a few publications (secondary sources) that can back up the hook and other data in the article.[1] Jappalang (talk) 07:15, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Done. --Cameron* 12:41, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Source and image verified as well. Jappalang (talk) 13:57, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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- ALT1: ... that Filipinos are estimated to be the second-largest group of foreign workers in Qatar by the end of 2009? SpencerT♦C 17:14, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
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Appomattox Court House National Historical Park and Old Appomattox Court House and McLean house and Clover Hill Tavern and New County Jail and Jones Law Office and Woodson Law Office and Plunkett-Meeks Store and Bocock-Isbell House and Peers House and Mariah Wright House and Charles Sweeney Cabin and Sweeney-Conner Cabin and Sweeney Prizery and Appomattox Court House National Historical Park ruins and Appomattox Court House National Historical Park cemeteries
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... that the Appomattox Court House National Historical Park (pictured), an antebellum village containing the Old Appomattox Court House, McLean house, Clover Hill Tavern, New County Jail, Jones Law Office, Woodson Law Office, Plunkett-Meeks Store, Bocock-Isbell House, Peers House, Mariah Wright House, Charles Sweeney Cabin, Sweeney-Conner Cabin, Sweeney Prizery, various park ruins and park cemeteries, is where the American Civil War ended? 16 article hook, all new articles. self nom by --Doug Coldwell talk 13:06, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- Yikes! Alt: ... that the Appomattox Court House National Historical Park (pictured) is an antebellum village containing 13 historical buildings along with cemeteries and various ruins? Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:04, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose to the ALT because I would like to get all 16 articles in the same hook, a record DYK for the Wikipedia:Did you know/Hall of Fame. All 16 articles are new articles that qualify. --Doug Coldwell talk 16:38, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- As I see it, the whole idea of DYK is to show new articles to readers. In this case a reader who is really interested in all 16 articles will find them all by reading the first. Even if that is not the purpose of DYK, I do know that the purpose of DYK does not include writing hooks in odd ways solely to get on a "hall of fame". Maury Markowitz (talk) 18:10, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose to the ALT because I would like to get all 16 articles in the same hook, a record DYK for the Wikipedia:Did you know/Hall of Fame. All 16 articles are new articles that qualify. --Doug Coldwell talk 16:38, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- Would all of them even withstand an AfD? Grsz11 17:45, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- IMO, this game of trying to cram the largest possible number of articles into a single hook is contrary to the purpose of DYK. The original hook proposed here is much too large to have any useful value in attracting attention to interesting new articles. If this is what Wikipedia:Did you know/Hall of Fame leads to, then perhaps the Hall of Fame should be abolished. --Orlady (talk) 18:02, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- Second Orlady's comment. We have already been subject to some nasty criticism for perceived award-collecting behavior, and putting an overlinked mass on the Main Page just for one user's gratification would not be appropriate and would subject us to more unneeded wikidrama. (No intention there to offend you, Doug Coldwell—you've done impressive work here and, no matter what happens with this hook, we will still remember that you were able to write and nominate 16 articles at once—it's just that this kind of hook would not be beneficial for the DYK project or for readers.)
- Besides, if you break this up into a couple hooks (assuming that a few of these article subjects are notable enough to be in a hook independent of Appomattox Court House National Historical Park), your articles would get more airtime and more attention.
- Personally, I believe it would be better to merge all those sub-articles into Appomattox Court House National Historical Park (that might even make it a good candidate for FL or FA), but this is not the appropriate venue for that discussion; it might be worth discussing at that article's talk page, though. That kind of merge, though, would make the ALT hook fine. Politizer talk/contribs 18:38, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- IMO, this game of trying to cram the largest possible number of articles into a single hook is contrary to the purpose of DYK. The original hook proposed here is much too large to have any useful value in attracting attention to interesting new articles. If this is what Wikipedia:Did you know/Hall of Fame leads to, then perhaps the Hall of Fame should be abolished. --Orlady (talk) 18:02, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- Suggest the below alternate hook of 14 articles which I believe would receive much airtime for all the articles involved, especially if it were to be the first hook in the Queue with its pictute. It isn't anything different than what has already been done for the 8, 9, and 11 article DYKs in the Wikipedia:Did you know/Hall of Fame.
- Alt 2 ... that the Appomattox Court House National Historical Park (pictured), where the American Civil War ended, contains period structures of the Old Appomattox Court House, McLean house, Clover Hill Tavern, New County Jail, Jones Law Office, Woodson Law Office, Plunkett-Meeks Store, Bocock-Isbell House, Peers House, Mariah Wright House, Charles Sweeney Cabin, Sweeney-Conner Cabin and the Sweeney Prizery? 14 new articles, self nom by --Doug Coldwell talk 09:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- Doug, you need an interesting fact to make a good DYK hook. The end of the American Civil War has nothing to do with most of your hook! --74.14.22.20 (talk) 16:35, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- Each of the period (Civil War) structures says in each article of that particular structure that the National Park Service says the structure is significant because it was in the Appomattox Court House National Historical Park (then the village of Appomattox Court House) at the time General Lee surrendered to General Grant. The end of the American Civil War has everything to do with each of these structures. The National Park Service has restored each of these structures because of this significance and they are all part of this history (the end of the American Civil War). Some have more important significance than others. For example: the McLean house is where Lee and Grant signed the surrender papers (picture of replica tables in the article). The Clover Hill Tavern is where the pardons (picture in the article of a typical parole) were printed for the Confederate soldiers, so they could return home with no hassle from others. --Doug Coldwell talk 19:46, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- Then put these interesting things in the hook(s), Doug! Neither of your proposed hooks explain what each item has to do with the American Civil War! Let's forget about the record and opt for hook quality, okay? --74.13.126.178 (talk) 07:26, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Each of the period (Civil War) structures says in each article of that particular structure that the National Park Service says the structure is significant because it was in the Appomattox Court House National Historical Park (then the village of Appomattox Court House) at the time General Lee surrendered to General Grant. The end of the American Civil War has everything to do with each of these structures. The National Park Service has restored each of these structures because of this significance and they are all part of this history (the end of the American Civil War). Some have more important significance than others. For example: the McLean house is where Lee and Grant signed the surrender papers (picture of replica tables in the article). The Clover Hill Tavern is where the pardons (picture in the article of a typical parole) were printed for the Confederate soldiers, so they could return home with no hassle from others. --Doug Coldwell talk 19:46, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
The hook isn't thrilling, but it's far from the dullest ever. This is, after all, a mighty effort by Doug. Xn4 (talk) 08:46, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Alt 3 ... that the Appomattox Park (pictured) has a Court-house, Tavern, Jail, Store and Prizery, the Bocock-Isbell, McLean, Peers and Wright houses, the Sweeney and Sweeney-Conner cabins, the Jones and Woodson law offices, ruins and cemeteries? Xn4 (talk) 08:46, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Alt 3 looks like a reasonable compromise. Question: is each building separately on the NRHP?--King Bedford I Seek his grace 16:38, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, ALT 3 looks excellent to me also. No, I do not believe each building is in the NRHP. --Doug Coldwell talk 16:43, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- I have found this NRHP for the Park. Could a better info box template be used for Appomattox Court House National Historical Park? --Doug Coldwell talk 17:03, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Why not save all 16 articles for 16 hooks in a special DYK (2 queues?) on April 9th, the anniversary of the end of the ACW? Getting 16 articles on the main page on a single day (UTC) will probably be a record. --74.14.21.155 (talk) 20:48, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
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Length, date, hook's ref verified. Rosiestep (talk) 20:22, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
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- This is taking longer than I expected. Schuym1 (talk) 01:53, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Lucques, Aglandau, Salonenque, Picholine, Olivière, Tanche, Bouteillan, Cailletier, Grossane, Germaine, Cayon, Sabine
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Length, >1500 characters, and image verified. Off-line newspaper sources taken in good faith. Jappalang (talk) 07:28, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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I love this hook but the source article seems dubious that any such law existed and the article describes two contradictory reasons for the two clocks. The hook needs rewording to make clear that this is "according to employees" or some other mild but acceptable weaseling. - Dravecky (talk) 08:56, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- I like this one too. Just sneak in the word "allegedly" somewhere, that always works. Lampman (talk) 19:18, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- ...(ALT) that George Webb Restaurants have two clocks that employees say were set one minute apart to evade a local law banning businesses from being open 24 hours per day? Royalbroil 03:42, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- ...(ALT2) that employees at George Webb Restaurants say that locations have two clocks which were set one minute apart to evade a local law banning businesses from being open 24 hours per day? Royalbroil 03:42, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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All the citations are from one reference, a foreign-language book, unavailable online. I was wondering if the TT Class 8 was also mentioned in other sources, for example, the news? Rosiestep (talk) 20:33, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- I'd say that books are preferable; at the very least not a drawback. Punkmorten (talk) 21:26, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- While I totally agree with Punkmorten that the DYK no longer requires online sources, and that books are more reliable than newspaper articles, the newspaper Adresseavisen had an article on this in 2005. However, this has been removed from the online section, and is now only available through the paid service Atekst (that I, and perhaps also Punkmorten, have access to through our universities). The article was called "Trikken — elsket og hatet". So, with all due respect, the current DYK rules say that if all the other criteria are met, you have to except in good faith (unless you belive it to not be correct), especially from established authors. Arsenikk (talk) 18:44, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- I think Rosie meant "the article has only a single ref. Is one enough? Can we have more refs? How about some news articles online that would be easy to access?" It's always good to have more supporting materials. --74.14.21.155 (talk) 20:53, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
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- Double-DYK ALT: ... that Château de Cayx is a royal residence of the Danish monarch in France? --74.14.21.155 (talk) 21:00, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
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It's not really unusual to crash/fall. Other than that, the skier has absolutely no achievements in the sport... Punkmorten (talk) 10:09, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
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- ... that the Frisians and Franks fought several wars during the 7th and 8th century, which would eventually end with the last uprising of the Frisians in 793? Pindanl (talk) 21:47, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
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- When and where did this happen? The hook should give a bit more context. "Where" could be done by something like "India's Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam party"; "when" could be something like "that in 1962, because of differences...." How does that all sound? Politizer talk/contribs 21:46, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- ALT... that in 1962, because of differences in the demands for a separate nation called Dravida Nadu, India's Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam party split and a short-lived Tamil National Party was formed?
- You are right. The original hook was indeed too vague. Does the alt look OK? Wiki San Roze †αLҝ 22:47, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
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No citing of inline source to support this statement (in fact, article is mostly uncited). Jappalang (talk) 00:47, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- Hook is cited here: [2] which is the same cite used in the article. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 01:44, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- DYK Rules No. 3. "The hook fact must be cited in the article with an inline citation, ... The hook fact must have an inline citation right after it since the fact is an extraordinary claim, ..."; this is not done in this article for this hook. Jappalang (talk) 15:25, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- Do you mean like this: [3]. It now has a direct inline cite directly following the fact in question. Is there anything else you need me to fix? --Jayron32.talk.contribs 04:40, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
[[Image:Symbol confirmed.svg|18px]]Hook's length, article's >1500 characters, and sources (reliability and inline for hook) verified. Note that article is, however, tagged with multiple issues (lack of citations, need for copyediting, and peacock terms). Jappalang (talk) 08:47, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- DYK Rules No. 3 also says "The hook should include a definite fact that must be mentioned in the article." The hook can't say "may have". Something "may have" happened is not a definite fact. --74.14.22.20 (talk) 16:50, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- In light of this, should this hook be a {{DYK?no}} or {{DYKno}}? Jappalang (talk) 05:19, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that noted Canadian bootlegger and businessman James Scott Cooper was reported by his wife to have drowned after going overboard on a transatlantic voyage in 1931, but no body was ever found? --Jayron32.talk.contribs 05:25, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Per the above, but the phrasing of ALT1 are of definite facts. Jappalang (talk) 05:50, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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Interesting. This might be banal but Anderson spelled "Doctor" in full, so since the quote uses the abbreviated form, did it come from The Gentleman's Magazine (which requires a volume number)? Jappalang (talk) 00:59, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- Mea culpa, for some reason I thought the GM hadn't used the full title. Fixed and volume added. Benea (talk) 01:55, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Length, >1500 characters, and sources verified. Jappalang (talk) 15:22, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
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- The same image was submitted by User:Arsenikk at Jan. 15, for the Gråkallbanen (company) nomination. --Poeticbent talk 18:31, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- ... that Alexander Ross was Engineer-in-Chief of the Breydon Viaduct? - new articles self nom - Dumelow (talk) 15:03, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Lengths are okay. But the main WP:V reference (for both articles) links to a pay-site. The other ref, mentioned at Breydon Viaduct (but not at Alexander Ross) does confirm his connection to the project by not his title. I'm AGF that the subscription site states it fully and correctly. ~ ωαdεstεr16«talkstalk» 05:44, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- For anyone interested the list of staff on the viaduct from the subscription site reads: "Mr. Alexander Ross, M. Inst. C.E., as Engineer-in-Chief, and Mr. William Marriott, M. Inst. C.E., District Engineer and Locomotive Superintendent to the Midland and Great Northern Railways Joint Committee, as executive Engineer, to whom Mr. Graham Gribble M. Inst. C.E., acted as Chief Assistant, and Mr. A. E. Glennie as Resident Engineer...". The article was written by Marriott and Gribble so hopefully they could remember the roles OK! Many thanks - Dumelow (talk) 12:37, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
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- ALT1: ... that after four years being closed to vehicular traffic, Manila's Rizal Avenue was reopened in 2008 after complaints from shopkeepers? –Howard the Duck 14:06, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that after surviving 1945's Battle of Manila, Avenue Theater along Rizal Avenue was demolished in 2006 in order to turn it into a parking lot? –Howard the Duck 14:06, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
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- I'm open to suggestions on how to improve the hook. It doesn't yet mention he did both the audition processes at the same time (that is during the same period). I would actually like to use another hook, that is more interesting in my opinion: "... that child actor Asa Butterfield appeared on the cover of Patrick Skene Catling's autobiography Better Than Working?" Unfortunately, the redlinks are proving hard to fix. Any help on that count is very welcome. - Mgm|(talk) 11:33, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
For anyone who is wondering. That fact tag is for a ref I read but have to dig up for full publication details. I'll add it tomorrow. - Mgm|(talk) 23:11, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- Now fully referenced. - Mgm|(talk) 11:46, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that child actor Asa Butterfield appeared on the cover of Patrick Skene Catling's autobiography Better Than Working? - Mgm|(talk) 09:23, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- with thanks to User:MichaelQSchmidt. - Mgm|(talk) 09:23, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
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This claims comes from sources associated with the company. Third party sources do not state is as fact, but merely attribute it to the company. Also, the claim is about the core ASIC, not the whole router. Xasodfuih (talk) 20:33, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that Juniper Networks' first product M40 router Internet Processor ASIC was capable of forwarding packets at 40 Mpps, a capacity more than 100 times faster than that of any other available router architectures at that time?
- Added a more precise hook with added new references -- Tinu Cherian - 06:44, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- That hooks seems over 200 chars. How about using fewer proprietary terms in it?
- ALT2: ... that Juniper Networks' first product, the M40 router, had a forwarding plane ASIC designed for 40Mpps—a throughput 100 times faster than that of any core router available at that time?
- Also, you haven't really improved the quality of the sources, just their quantity: more press releases, juniper web pages, CTO interviews, but not a single 3rd party hands-on assessment of the that statement. Some third party must have benchmarked the M40 in the past 10 years...
- There seems to be some formatting error in the references of that section as well. Xasodfuih (talk) 00:20, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Added a more precise hook with added new references -- Tinu Cherian - 06:44, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
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Verified Gary King (talk) 01:38, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
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- Article only cites on one source. It seems reliable, but it's an obituary, which could be biased. Otherwise, length and date check out. Shubinator (talk) 04:21, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- It's an obit in a scientific journal, so it's probably OK. That said, it's actually got the date of his appointment as an MBE wrong, it was 1971, not 1972 - I've added the official record of the appointment as an additional reference, I've tweaked the hook slightly, the usual "standard" seems to be to link the full grade and name of the honour. David Underdown (talk) 10:36, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Length, date, reference good. Article should be cleaned up a bit; there are quite a few run-on sentences. I'll see if I can get to it later in the day. Shubinator (talk) 18:20, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks to those who have improved the article. Maias (talk) 22:29, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- It's an obit in a scientific journal, so it's probably OK. That said, it's actually got the date of his appointment as an MBE wrong, it was 1971, not 1972 - I've added the official record of the appointment as an additional reference, I've tweaked the hook slightly, the usual "standard" seems to be to link the full grade and name of the honour. David Underdown (talk) 10:36, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- ... that Pat Riley is the only Miami Heat head coach to have won the NBA championship with the Miami Heat, having won it in the 2006 NBA Finals? New article, self-nom by -- SRE.K.A
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- Hope this is better... -- SRE.K.A
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- I dunno, but doesn't everyone know this already? How about SVG being "traded" to the Magic for draft picks? Or is it not in the article? That's a pretty unconventional way of obtaining draft picks. –Howard the Duck 03:21, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- I can't find a reference for that though. Here's an alternate hook...
- Hope this is better... -- SRE.K.A
ALT1 ... that Ron Rothstein was the first head coach of the Miami Heat, an American professional basketball team based in Miami, Florida? -- SRE.K.Annoyomous.L.24 review me 06:35, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- This one's more interesting that the original. –Howard the Duck 06:21, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
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Lengths and ref meet criteria. Though I would suggest including the fact that there was liquor in the punch bowls, which is the real reason party goers left. Otherwise, it seems to read that they left for empty punch bowls? ~ ωαdεstεr16«talkstalk» 06:16, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
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- For the record, I'm counting the 5x expansion from [4] (642b) to [5] (3783b). I'm not entirely sure how we calculate this, but 3783/642 = 5.8 dm (talk) 06:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- Thomas Paine wasn't the author of a hero, so I suggest moving "the Revolutionary War hero" after the word "where" (and removing the "and"). Art LaPella (talk) 06:58, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, flipped it around, please feel free to edit directly, I wont be offended :) dm (talk) 07:03, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- Actually, this is better dm (talk) 07:06, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- 'Alt': ... that the Thomas Paine Cottage is where the Revolutionary War hero and author of Common Sense lived from 1802 to 1806, was buried in 1809, and was disinterred in 1819 by William Cobbett?
- How's that? dm (talk) 07:10, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- Better, but a bigger problem is that using the 642 byte version above as the beginning of the expansion is at least debatable, because of this edit and Additional Rule A4. Art LaPella (talk) 07:12, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, not sure how to intrepret that. Is there a high water mark for each article and the 5X is of that? The text you provide the diff for had been reverted several times by admins and editors due to the involvement of sockpuppet Jvolkblum. After enough grumbling, I rewrote the article by going back to the sources and finding more to add. I'll defer to the groups wisdom as to whether I should withdraw the entry .... dm (talk) 07:40, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
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Length is fine, Offline ref for the hook accepted in good faith dm (talk) 06:47, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
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Length, >1500 characters, and sources verified. One question though, who was massacred? Jappalang (talk) 13:53, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for the green tick, Jappalang. Who was massacred? Some survivors of the shipwreck decided to kill other survivors.... Maybe it's too gruesome. (There was also raping, but...) Maybe massacre is not the right vocabulary. I've removed that word "massacre" from the hook to keep things simple. --PFHLai (talk) 23:32, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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- Comment/explanation. Added a bunch of references on the 14th and 15th but actual article text expansion was begun on the 19th. Hope that's ok. Shrumster (talk) 08:53, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, it's OK, because we don't include references when counting characters of prose. So the 9x expansion figure is about the same whether you calculate it from the 14th or the 19th. Art LaPella (talk) 18:55, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- Comment/explanation. Added a bunch of references on the 14th and 15th but actual article text expansion was begun on the 19th. Hope that's ok. Shrumster (talk) 08:53, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
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Length, 5x expansion, and source verified. Jappalang (talk) 09:01, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
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- The above hook is 202 characters I think.
- Alt hook: ... that in 2006, Oregon's per capita drug use exceeded the national average? The most used substances were marijuana, methamphetamine and illicit painkillers and stimulants.
- I didn't do enough tildes before. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) (contribs) 08:17, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
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- Shouldn't that be Soviet Bloc? - 17:15, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
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Expansion and date ok, offline hook refs accepted in good faith. --Bruce1eetalk 10:11, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
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- Is not OK, surely......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:04, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
The article has not been expanded enough, so far it's been expanded 3.1x. Also, the hook is implied but not explicitly stated (the article does not explicitly say the park has no lions). Shubinator (talk) 00:25, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- It (the hook) does now. (I hope) – Julia Rossi (talk) 07:51, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- Reference is good; expansion is at 3.6x though. Shubinator (talk) 21:12, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
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- For any other reviewers thinking we'd already done this, it was a hook for editor Thomas Congdon earlier this month that discussed the novel. (How did we not have an article about this book until now?) - Dravecky (talk) 00:26, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- That twenty could be 20. Julia Rossi (talk) 07:54, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- Ah, didn't realise about Congon: it was a different fact, though. Last night, I finally decided to devote a couple of free hours to it. The JPStalk to me 09:47, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
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- alt 1 ... that the USOC awarded medals to Sam Stoller and Marty Glickman 62 years after the only two Jews on the U.S. track team were pulled from the 400-meter relay team at the 1936 Berlin Olympics? Cbl62 (talk) 21:43, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- Fixed typo (yeas->years) and suggest the(se) only two Jews... Julia Rossi (talk) 07:57, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Length, and >1500 characters verified. Off-line newspaper sources accepted in good faith. Jappalang (talk) 09:33, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Template:DYKsuggestion Lordoliver Lord R. Oliver I His Lordship's Court 21:11, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- Slightly misleading hook; according to the article, he did not resign and go back to teaching immediately. He only went back to teaching after the war had ended. Jappalang (talk) 09:35, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1: ...that disputes between General William Hardee and General John Creed Moore caused Moore to resign his commission as a brigadier general? Lord R. Oliver I His Lordship's Court 14:55, 24 January 2009
No inline citation for hook, image requires further details on its source (which newspaper, date, etc). Jappalang (talk) 16:49, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
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Article hasn't been expanded enough, only 3.5x now by my count. Unfortunately tables and lists don't count. Also, to me the hook was a bit confusing because I didn't know that the promotion refers to WWE. Rephrasing to due to his contract with WWE would help. Shubinator (talk) 00:42, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- Eh, I forgot to count. Your suggestion would work, but it makes no difference really since its not technically 5x.TRUCO 01:45, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- You've still got a few days to expand it. Shubinator (talk) 02:33, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- There isn't really much more to add to the list in order to add 2,000 more characters of prose.--TRUCO 04:00, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
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No inline citation for hook. Shubinator (talk) 22:27, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- Rejigged refs to fix this. Mjroots (talk) 22:40, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Date, length good. Offline reference accepted by AGF. Interesting article. Shubinator (talk) 22:43, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
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Length 4,987 characters and source verified - Mario1987 14:37, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
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249 character hook. Also, the hook is not explicitly stated in the article. The article has been expanded much more than 5x though. Also (this has nothing to do with DYK), I'd recommend moving the "See also" (now called "More info") before the References section per WP:ALSO. Shubinator (talk) 02:51, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- Oh gosh... I knew it's a lot more than 5x, but once I got started I wanted it to be worthy of Wiki and just kept going. I have moved the "See also" per your good advice. As for the hook... I was worried about that. I liked it, but in complete agreement with you, here's a shorter and more precise alternate:
- ... that that the four-part A&E documentary series The Greatest Pharaohs is being used in many Colleges and Universities courses teaching Anthropology and Archaeology?
The hook length is much better, but it still isn't explicitly stated in the article. The grammar of the hook needs tweaking...maybe this is better:
- ... that that the four-part A&E documentary series The Greatest Pharaohs is being used in many college and university courses on anthropology and archaeology?
- Shubinator (talk) 03:27, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- To clarify: the article does state that it is in the libraries of numerous universities and colleges, but doesn't say the video series is being used in the classroom. Shubinator (talk) 03:35, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for pointing the way. I looked over the paragraph's cites to ensure that the film is listed in either a course sylabus, the course's media library, or course media requirement and rewrote the sentence to clarify the asssertion of the hook. The library stuff is now in a different sentence. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 03:56, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- AND I do very much like your cleaner hook. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 03:59, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm still unsure the series is being used in courses, but I'll accept it per AGF. Shubinator (talk) 04:12, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
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- Note to reviewer: Expansion is fivefold if infobox, etc. are not counted. Thanks, GaryColemanFan (talk) 06:37, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Length, 5x expansion, and source verified. Jappalang (talk) 12:30, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- Looking back over it, I don't like the repitition of "promised". If someone wants to reword it slightly when adding it to a queue, that's fine with me. Perhaps "guaranteed" to replace the first one, or "assured"/"told" for the second? GaryColemanFan (talk) 15:35, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- "Because he promised" to "when he assured"? --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 19:39, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Sounds good. Let's make it ... that professional wrestler George "Two Ton" Harris was promised continued employment with Jim Crockett Promotions when he assured the owner that he would learn to read and write? GaryColemanFan (talk) 19:56, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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- ... that a Liveline phone-in debate on gay adoption staged by stand-in presenter Evelyn O'Rourke in February 2007 led to two-thirds of the total complaints issued against the radio show in the following six months? (new article, self-nom) --➨♀♂Candlewicke ST # :) 03:04, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
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- ALT Image. If the protein structure image isn't ok, I think an image of the Hydra (File:Hydra001.jpg) can be used as an alternative. Shrumster (talk) 10:58, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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Image, length, and 5x expansion verified. Source is an off-line book, accepted in good faith. Jappalang (talk) 03:18, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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- ALT ... that the Prague Aviation Museum, Kbely now comprises 275 aircraft, of which approximately 110 are on public display? --Vejvančický (talk) 00:32, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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Length and date ok, offline hook refs accepted in good faith. An impressive piece of work! --Bruce1eetalk 10:33, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
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- Length, history, reference good. But I would recommend rewording the hook; it's a bit confusing now and I had to read it twice. How about this:
- ALT: ... that microbiologist Hans Knöll defended the historic center of Jena, which was threatened by the construction of the Jen-Tower (pictured)?
- Also, there's a much better picture of the Jen-Tower at File:Intershop Hochhaus.jpg. Shubinator (talk) 18:09, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- No objection to the rewording. I know there's a fancier pic of the tower, but you cannot see how close the collegium is in that pic. Surroundings are important in this case. Xasodfuih (talk) 18:56, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
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- should it not be "...the world's rarest overprinted stamp"? Peter I. Vardy (talk) 10:41, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- The reference explicitly does not say that and uses "the world's least printed stamp" term. --Redtigerxyz Talk 12:57, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Length, history, reference good. "Least printed stamp" is more accurate than "rarest", because there are many ways of defining rarity. Shubinator (talk) 17:42, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
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- Gothic Revival should at least be the link, if not what the hook says. Johnbod (talk)
- OK, done. But the point is it was not Tudor (revival). Peter I. Vardy (talk) 09:45, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Gothic Revival should at least be the link, if not what the hook says. Johnbod (talk)
- ALT hook: ... that the Cheshire landowner Rowland Egerton-Warburton wrote poetry and some of his rhymes are still present on signposts in his estate?
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I don't know what to say but it's not that interesting. Mario1987 14:50, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- This is the only example I've ever heard of a fungus being used as fish bait, thought that might warrant a DYK. Are any of the following more interesting to you? Sasata (talk) 16:35, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1 ... that Cookeina is a genus of cup fungus found in the tropics and subtropics?
- ALT3 ... that Cookeina, a genus of tropical and subtropical cup fungi, have asci which mature simultaneously rather than in series?
In the original hook, does the offline source really mean a Malaysian town called "Peninsular"? It probably means Peninsular Malaysia (no comma, one link; it was once known as Malaya). The Peninsular link is about Spain. Art LaPella (talk) 02:24, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- Good catch, I've fixed the hook above. Thanks - Sasata (talk) 04:29, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
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Both articles still need some cleanup before promotion. Strike article has repeated phrases ("Workers at the Daily News settled their issues, accepting raises of $8 per week in talks mediated by United States Secretary of Labor W. Willard Wirtz") and other grammar issues. - Dravecky (talk) 03:25, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for catching the near-duplicate sentences. I have reviewed both articles and I think all issues have been addressed. Please let me know if you have any other questions regarding either article. Alansohn (talk) 05:02, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
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- Very open to alternate hook suggestions, and wondering how proper it is to use words like "upcoming" since the article involves a biannual event that will take place now on January 27 and 28, soon losing much of its "current events" appeal for a while. MURGH disc. 01:09, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
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- How about this:
- "... that the Amagi class battlecruisers were to be canceled due to the Five-Power Treaty, but an exemption saved Akagi, which (after conversion to an aircraft carrier) took part in the attack on Pearl Harbor?"
- Should be around 204 characters (while not under the 200 limit, it's close enough, I think). Parsecboy (talk) 03:07, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Actually, see here for the most current version.Parsecboy (talk) 16:41, 20 January 2009 (UTC)- Alright; we expanded a second article. I know that this is long, but it is by far the best hook we could come up with:
- ... that the Error: {{sclass}} invalid format code: 6. Should be 0–5, or blank (help)s and Error: {{sclass}} invalid format code: 6. Should be 0–5, or blank (help)s were slated to be scrapped in accordance with the Washington Naval Treaty, but a special exception sought by the U.S. delegation saved both Kaga and Akagi, which (after conversions to aircraft carriers) later took part in the attack on Pearl Harbor?
- Would "against the U.S." be needed at the end of the hook? —Ed 17 (Talk / Contribs) 00:04, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that, saved from the scrap pile by a special exception sought by the U.S. delegation, Japanese warships Akagi (Amagi class) and Kaga (Tosa class) were converted to aircraft carriers that later attacked Pearl Harbor? Jappalang (talk) 05:24, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- 216 characters, but the Tosa mention is 21-characters, so it should be a reasonable exceeding of the 200-byte guideline... Jappalang (talk) 05:24, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Alright; we expanded a second article. I know that this is long, but it is by far the best hook we could come up with:
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References were not originally explicitly stated, nor were completion dates of the buildings. Added dates and references so I can pass this for DYK. See revision comparison. Is now good to go, though. ~ ωαdεstεr16«talkstalk» 06:46, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- Yep! Nice work, but there were some errors; I've corrected them. AdjustShift (talk) 15:21, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
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- ALT: ... that college football player Bob Ward is the only player to have been selected by the Associated Press as a first-team All-American in both an offensive and defensive position? Strikehold (talk) 16:02, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
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Length, >1500 characters, and source verified. Jappalang (talk) 12:38, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
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- In a statement like this, the date is always relevant.=--Wetman (talk)
- ... that the 1983 song "Everyday I Write the Book" was Elvis Costello's first hit single in the United States? Boston (talk) 01:26, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- ALT:... that Elvis Costello called his 1983 hit single Everyday I Write the Book "a bad Smokey Robinson song"? --Boston (talk) 08:39, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- In a statement like this, the date is always relevant.=--Wetman (talk)
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Reference is a wiki. Also, the source says the ship was the first merchant ship built after the war. Otherwise, history and length good. Shubinator (talk) 06:04, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- Hook amended. Is the source a wiki? There is no "edit this page" button. The info has not been sourced from Wikipedia as our Vickers-Armstrongs article doesn't mention the ship. Mjroots (talk) 06:12, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- Hmmm, this is tough. It's definitely a wiki; you can tell from the Recent changes page. It doesn't seem to be an open wiki though. In the About section it says "The project welcomes contributions from those interested in these subjects", but there isn't a link to create a new account. I'm not sure if it's enough of a closed wiki to be a WP:RS (open wikis are discouraged by WP:SPS). Can one of the other DYK editors look this over? Shubinator (talk) 07:03, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Template:DYKsuggestion Ironholds (talk) 02:26, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Lenght and ref OK. Very amazing because the Germans and Italian were allies. Mario1987 11:13, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
- His escape was after Italy switched sides. David Underdown (talk) 11:32, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Template:DYKsuggestion Ironholds (talk) 01:35, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
- Article only relies on one source. It is from The Daily Telegraph, but it's an obituary, which could be biased. Otherwise, length and date check out. Shubinator (talk) 03:52, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- I wasn't aware multiple sourcing was a criteria for DYK, only that the statement itself be sourced. Why would an obituary be biased? Ironholds (talk) 11:21, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- Multiple sourcing is good practice for any article - many of the ones you've submitted recently you could have quite easily verified details of their military service and/or honours using the London Gazette as I've since done for you. Obits have traditionally focussed on the good points of the deceased, so they may not present a fully-rounded picture - this is probably less true now than it has been in the past - and things like the ODNB do often use obits as sources, so this is not to say they shouldn't be sued, just try to find other sources too. David Underdown (talk) 12:13, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- Duly noted. I wasn't aware I'd used the ODNB for anything recently (other than some additional verification of details for the Lord Denning article. I didn't use the Gazette because I wasn't aware statements of fact need to be verified by multiple sources; yes, the Gazette says he was promoted to rank X, but so does the newspaper obit. With these three articles I did try and look for additional sourcing but could not find anything with what was available to me (the military and the sciences are two areas I don't deal with on a daily basis, leaving well, google).Ironholds (talk) 12:31, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, I wasn't sayign that you had used ODNB recently, just trying to make the point that since they use obits as sources then they must be considered as a valid source for us to - but bearing in mind the possible issues. Obviously the gaette is factual only, but it's also definitive, I've seen obits which have got the dates and so on wrong, if you take the dates from the Gazette you've got the official record - it's the best possible source for those sorts of things - and at least it demonstrates that you ahve looked for other sources. David Underdown (talk) 13:53, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- ALT: ... that in T.I.'s Road To Redemption, an upcoming reality television show, rapper T.I. will be trying to show seven teenagers that there is "another way" than spending a life of crime?
- ALT 2: ... that in T.I.'s Road To Redemption, an upcoming reality television show, rapper T.I. will be sharing the mistakes he has made in the past and the lessons he has learned from them to teenagers across the United States?
- Note: Would prefer using the first hook and not the ALTs as the first hook contains two pieces of information—March sentencing to prison and reality show. The ALTs only have information on the show, but I just added those hooks there incase. If for some reason the first hook has a problem that needs fixing, go with ALTs. — RyanCross (talk) 09:19, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
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Length, image, and >1500 characters verified. Off-line book source accepted in good faith. Jappalang (talk) 09:48, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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- ALT ... that an electronic opera Raab by the Czech composer Jaroslav Krček was banned by the communist regime in 1972? - more interesting hook? --Vejvančický (talk) 08:43, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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- I got the obviously wrong impression from this hook that Epik continued to write after being executed. Can the information in the hook be re-organized? Maybe some tweaking of the tenses would help, too. --PFHLai (talk) 16:37, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- That sure would be a good hook if true :) I added the years now so maybe it's clearer? Närking (talk) 20:41, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- ALT1 (rephrasing): ... that after being sent to GULAG in 1935, Ukrainian writer Hryhorii Epik continued to write, and even sent one of his works to NKVD in Moscow before his execution during the Great Purge in 1937? Jappalang (talk) 02:23, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, that's much better and clearer! Thanks! Närking (talk) 09:28, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
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Expansion and dates check out, reference accepted in good faith, but this needs a good grammar polish by a native English speaker before it can be promoted. - Dravecky (talk) 08:09, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
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- Prose length, hook reference, and hook length all check out fine. Sunderland06 (talk) 00:04, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
- Not interesting - it's just an error in the National Bridge Inventory database. --NE2 06:50, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
This is an article about a local county road. What, other than some comical mixup at the federal level, could really offer something interesting to the masses? This is good to go in my opinion. ~ ωαdεstεr16«talkstalk» 06:20, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- It's not a "comical mixup" - it's all too familiar when dealing with big databases such as the NBI or Google Maps. --NE2 08:32, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- That doesn't answer my question though. And having worked for New York DOT, I'm well aware of these problems, and in my opinion, they really are nothing short of comical. ~ ωαdεstεr16«talkstalk» 18:42, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- Not every article has "something interesting to the masses". You appear to be easily amused if this error is "comical". --NE2 19:00, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- Indeed. But nothing wrong with being easily amused. Since you don't feel every article must be interesting to the masses, would you mind commenting on my nom, the one just below this? And again, it's comical from an insider's point of view: the inefficiencies of state and federal government is such that they can't get a list like this correct - tax $$ at work. (rolls eyes) ~ ωαdεstεr16«talkstalk» 04:22, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- This is the first time I've been compelled to edit DYK, and I don't have the foggiest idea what this hook is trying to say. Moreover, I don't even see any point in the article about it being a former I-87 bridge. Is this entire hook about this fact: "instead of marking it as County Road 35, the USDOT marked it as Old State Road 35"? Aaronw (talk) 22:16, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- Then what does this say - "The United States Department of Transportation, who maintains a "National Bridge Inventory" has a listing of County Route 35's former bridge over the Northway. However, instead of marking it as County Road 35, the USDOT marked it as Old State Road 35." - Mitch32(Go Syracuse) 01:03, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- It's pretty straight forward. You read the hook, you have questions, so you go to the article, which successfully answers your question. The difference is "County Route" versus "State Route" (old in this case). Subtle, but significant (to where your taxes go). ~ ωαdεstεr16«talkstalk» 04:22, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Only significant if it made someone screw up and spend the wrong taxes, but the bridge is actually owned and maintained by the state (as it crosses over a state highway) and there's another field ("Maintenance Responsibility / Owner") in the NBI that correctly says so. (Aside: some New York State Routes are in fact county-maintained.) --NE2 04:43, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Might we want to say "incorrectly lists the former Interstate 87..." so the point of the hook is made more clearly? --Boston (talk) 17:48, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- Done.Mitch32(Go Syracuse) 20:39, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
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- ALT1 (rephrase to remove possible negative slant): ... that Malaysian royalty's immunity from legal prosecution was removed after an assault incident, involving Tunku Majid of Johor, sparked a constitutional crisis? Jappalang (talk) 05:43, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- No probs.Mr Tan (talk) 12:55, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- ALT2 (mention year): ... that Malaysian royalty's immunity from legal prosecution was removed after a 1992 assault incident, involving Tunku Majid of Johor, sparked a constitutional crisis? AxelBoldt (talk) 15:49, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
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Dates, length, and ref check out but sorting the "make" credits for this one will be a bit of a nightmare. Do we want to give this article a day or two to settle down before promoting it? Given the backlog, even it were promoted right now it wouldn't appear on the home page for about a day and a half. Perhaps by then the article will have been filled out and the editing will start to settle down. - Dravecky (talk) 13:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
You could nominate both the Sullenberger article and the Flight 1549 article for a double DYK. Anyway, here's an alternative hook:... Chesley Sullenberger, pilot of US Airways Flight 1549 (pictured) which successfully ditched in the Hudson River, also runs an aviation safety consultant company and has worked as an accident investigator for the USAF, NTSB, and FAA? Suggested by Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 03:33, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
- Comment I think it is a really good hook. Unfortunately, the DYK criteria says "Articles that have appeared on the main page's In the News section are not eligible" to be a DYK nom. Flight 1549 is currently featured on the In The News section. Therefore, I don't think we can have the double hook offered by Matthewedwards. I suggest we remove the Flight 1549 as a DYK nom in the alternative hook, but keep the rest of the alternative hook the same.Terrakyte (talk) 11:04, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
- Comment Actually, the alternative hook is too long. Maximum length of a hook is 200 characters (with spaces), and this hook is 231 characters long. Terrakyte (talk) 12:58, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
- You're right, I'd forgot about those two rules. How about, "... that Chesley Sullenberger, the pilot who successfully ditched Flight 1549 in the Hudson River, also runs an aviation safety consultant company and was an accident investigator for the USAF and NTSB?" Gets the same point across, comes in at 197 characters, and the article about the flight is not the DYK nom. Matthewedwards (talk • contribs • email) 16:41, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
- ALT2 ... that Chesley Sullenberger, who piloted US Airways Flight 1549 (pictured) to a safe ditching in the Hudson River, had gained the IQ necessary to join Mensa International at the age of 12? Terrakyte (talk) 13:24, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
- Comment' Flight 1549 is currently featured on ITN, so can't be bolded in the hook. Mjroots (talk) 17:45, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, I would hold this hook for as long as possible. People who are in the news may have more that is yet to be revealled. He may have hidden notable saintly (or otherwise) qualities which have yet to surface. Victuallers (talk) 12:28, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
ALT 3: ... that C.B. "Sully" Sullenberger, who successfully landed an Airbus A320 in the Hudson River in 2009, operates a safety consulting firm?
Note that there are perhaps hundreds of people who expanded the article. I will notify them for DYK credit if this passes. These people should get credit, not only Jrsamples.
Also, my suggested hook doesn't restate what everyone knows, i.e. that Sully landed the plane. It highlights that he has a safety consulting firm (so he might really be a safety expert who safely landed the plane in the water) Chergles (talk) 19:30, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
- Comment I agree that more people beside myself, as nominator, and Jrsamples, should gain credit. I apologise that I did not add some more people as collaborators. I don't think everyone who edited the article should be given DYK credit, though. Please don't think that I'm being selfish, or ungratful, I just think that most editors did relatively very minor work, such as correcting grammar, and do not warrant DYK credit. Looking at the revision history of the article, I suggest User:ERcheck, User:Chergles, User talk:75.73.218.164, User:Geo Swan, User:Space cadet65, User:Terrakyte, as well as the creator User:Jrsamples, should receive DYK criteria. Having said that, my suggestions take into account only those who have made more than 5 non-minor edits to the article. One person could have made but one edit, but it was really consequential. I will look through the edit history to find more people who could deserve DYK criteria. I believe the hook offered by Chergles can be improved; I believe less people will recognize "C.B. "Sully" Sullenberger", than Chesley Sullenberger or Chesley "Sully" Sullenberger. I also think that when Mjroots said that US Airways Flight 1549 couldn't be "bolded" in the hook, I don't think that meant it couldn't be included in the overall hook, though I could be wrong. I think US Airways Flight 1549 should be stated, since I believe more people will recognize the flight if the hook says something like "Flight 1549 in the Hudson River", than "an Airbus A320 in the Hudson River". I also think the image at the top of this discussion should be included with this hook, since hooks with pics seem to generally attract more attention. I also think that a lot of people, as you said Chergles, know now that he landed the plane. I think though a lot of people already know that he owns a safety consulting firm, though, and I don't think a lot of people know that he had "had gained the IQ necessary to join Mensa International at the age of 12", and that he "was an accident investigator for the USAF and NTSB". Terrakyte (talk) 23:23, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
I think ALT 3 or the unnumbered alt 4 are the best hooks. Chergles (talk) 18:15, 24 January 2009 (UTC) I agree with Terraktye that few know he was an accident investigator. Perhaps a hook that he was a former aviation accident investigator and operated a safety consulting firm? Chergles (talk) 18:16, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
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- Note: Byte expansion between 1/12 and 1/16 is slightly less than 5x, however virtually all of the actual prose was written in this time period. --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:16, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
- Just to be clear, the prose expansion was well over the 5X req. --ThaddeusB (talk) 16:13, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
The prose expansion seems to have consisted of writing overly-long, stylistically inappropriate (television episodes should be summarized in the past tense, not the present) and rather review-like recounts of the episodes. So tagged. Daniel Case (talk) 16:37, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Actually all of the prose, not just the episode info, was added. The tense can easily be changed, but how else would you suggest summarizing a judged competition other than describing what happened and how the audience and judges reacted to the performances? --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:23, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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Article is tagged for expansion and lacks sections.Nrswanson (talk) 23:49, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
- I've added sections; how much expansion do you think it would need to become usable? Gonzonoir (talk) 10:43, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
- Just put in some more detail on his informant activities too. Gonzonoir (talk) 16:52, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
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