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A wildfire erupts near Yosemite National Park, growing to 25 square miles (~65 square kilometers) overnight.(KTVU)
Law and crime
While they are not yet ready to say they are reopening the case after the 2008 inquiry jury's final verdict and report (faulty driving and unlawful killing), the Metropolitan Police Authority Specialist Crime and Operations Command in London is investigating the credibility and accuracy of supposedly new information from an unspecified source regarding the August 1997 Death of Diana, Princess of Wales. (NBC)
Australian native and East Central University (Oklahoma) Tigers senior baseball player Christopher Lane, 22, is shot and killed in Ada, Oklahoma, while jogging during a visit to his girlfriend. Two teenagers, James Francis Edwards, Jr., 15, and Chancey Allen Luna, 16, were then arrested and charged with first-degree murder with no bail; Michael Dewayne Jones, 17, was charged with being an accessory to murder after the fact. They stated they did it purely out of boredom. (NBC)
Article needs updating Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Decision will bring an estimated 800 million barrels of crude oil to the market while (potentially) threatening "some of the planet's most diverse wildlife" and the livelihoods of indigenous people. This is a done deal (executive order) - exploration is expected to start very shortly. Outside of the occasional natural disaster, we post very little from South America, so here is a good chance to get an under represented area on the mainpage. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:51, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Death of Spain's richest woman, co-founder of the Inditex fashion mega-company. --LukeSurltc 13:49, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support as a notable businessperson not just in Spain, but worldwide(on the Forbes list). 331dot (talk) 14:01, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support when expanded (not just an update but also an expanded lead and bio). Founder of the famous zara chain. I'll work on the article a bit.--Johnsemlak (talk) 14:24, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Being super rich doesn't necessarily qualify as "significant contribution/impact". Article quality is too poor at this time to convince me otherwise. I'll revisit this if Johnsemlak or someone else improves the article. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:07, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If she simply inherited her super-wealth, then I would agree, but this person founded and owned several large businesses; she worked for her wealth and it is an indication of her success and notability. 331dot (talk) 16:40, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Change !vote to support pending article improvement. I did some of my own searching and now see Forbes calling her the "World's Richest Self-Made Woman". When I opposed earlier, the article did not make that clear to me. The article is much better now, and should be postable with a bit more work. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:52, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose per Muboshgu. As a business person (the deceased, not me!) I'm not sure if she qualifies for RD.--Somchai Sun (talk) 15:12, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There is no prohibition on businesspeople from RD; the only question is if she was notable in the field of business. Forbes certainly thought so, enough to include her in the list of the wealthiest women in business. 331dot (talk) 16:42, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support if article is significantly improved. This is a good example of how systematic bias works. Here we have someone that co-founded a company that grosses nearly $20 billion a year and operates over 6000 stores spanning dozens of countries, but who isn't a celebrity and isn't from an English speaking country. Thus the article is not great. However, I would say she certainly very important to her field. (And yes wealth is a strong indicator of importance in the field of business, as that is how success is primary measured.) --ThaddeusB-public (talk) 16:33, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The article has been expanded a bit, with a full paragraph for the lead summarizing her notability and 3-4 paragraphs describing her career.--Johnsemlak (talk) 20:14, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support obviously top of field. μηδείς (talk) 21:59, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ready updated and no strong opposition. μηδείς (talk) 21:59, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The Brazilian Chamber of Deputies passes a controversial bill regulating the allocation of royalties derived from that country´s oil exploration, when 75% of the money will only go to education and the other 25% only for health. (R7)(BBC)
Nominator's comments: It is not very often we have a chance to feature a story form archeology or anthropology, but here is an excellent chance. It is not very often a legitimately important "oldest ever" is announced. These carvings date to around the time people are thought to have first migrated to the Americas, potentially increasing their importance. --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:52, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a little worried about this one. Have you seen any photographs of the petroglyphs? Abductive (reasoning) 04:13, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nat Geo is giving the pictures Nat Geo now from the source given in support of the nomination. μηδείς (talk) 04:17, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Something is bugging me about this. Off to do some research. Abductive (reasoning) 04:35, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Let me see if I can spell out my concerns a little better. I would need to see their article to see how they address the problems associated with dating carbonate. Even dating actual shells is fraught with difficulty since the organisms may be taking up recently re-dissolved carbonate from the environment. Here they are dating a carbonate film from a rock. Winnemucca Lake is stated to be active, growing and shrinking and consequently re-dissolving sediments. As far as I can read, there is no independent method provided for dating the rises and falls of the lake at that location, just the radiocarbon dating of the carbonate. Abductive (reasoning) 05:10, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have access to the research paper. I haven't read it yet (it is pretty long), but there is extensive information about how they obtained the date range - it is not simply form carbon dating. email me and I'll send you a copy if you like. --ThaddeusB (talk) 06:02, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I would love to support this - but - the above "issues" should be resolved/clarified and the article updated some more if needs be. Obviously not a field of study I'm knowledgeable in! --Somchai Sun (talk) 14:38, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support this is notable even if we're looking at the lower range of ages. If there's a published challenge to the dates a link would be helpful. μηδείς (talk) 22:02, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: A sure sign that the spring tensions/posturing by North Korea is coming to an end. The two sides did say they wanted to reopen the region a month ago, but there was no actual agreement until today. --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:25, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support-I personally consider a notable-enough news item to be presented on the ticker, but this particular category of nomination does not occur frequently. It is best if we achieve a finite consensus before posting. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 03:03, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose obviously good faith, and better to read about than a bus crash, but too much like a 12-page insert in Scientific American. μηδείς (talk) 03:37, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support Significant that they have managed to reach agreement; it certainly seems to indicate a thaw in relations. I also really don't see how this is "like a 12-page insert in Scientific American". I wasn't aware that Scientific American ran 12-page stories on diplomatic developments on the Korean peninsula. Neljack (talk) 04:01, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You put me in the very awkward position of advising you to read the SciAm more often, which is not a place I want to be. μηδείς (talk) 04:19, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I confess it has been a few years since I last read Scientific American. Do they publish this sort of stuff now? Neljack (talk) 04:31, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The status of Kaesong is central to the North-South Korean relationship. Thue (talk) 08:53, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I'd support this, but I don't see much scope for an update. Formerip (talk) 10:33, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with FormerIP here. The 2013 closure section is pretty small anyway, and there seems to be little scope for much prose on the reopening. --LukeSurltc 12:17, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support Notable development, the closing of Kaesong was a big precedent to North Korea's last tantrum. --Somchai Sun (talk) 11:44, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Somchai Sun. 331dot (talk) 12:05, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Updated - article is now updated to minimum standards; let me know if more is desired. --ThaddeusB (talk) 18:27, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
@LFaraone: Just an idea here but what would you think about linking the word "tensions" to the 2013 Korean crisis article? — -dainomite 23:59, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Done Seems reasonable. LFaraone 01:05, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Kepler demise
Article:Kepler (spacecraft) (talk·history·tag) Blurb: The Kepler space telescope is declared unfixable by NASA, ending its four-year-long planet-hunting mission. (Post) Alternative blurb: The Kepler space telescope is declared unfixable by NASA, officialy ending its primary mission. News source(s):NYT Credits:
Nominator's comments: When Kepler broke back in May, the consensus was to wait to see if it could be fixed. NASA has now declared it can't be fixed, effectively ending its planet hunting days --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:19, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support as consensus follow-up. μηδείς (talk) 03:39, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This is basically a retirement story, isn't it? Formerip (talk) 10:28, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the blurb as currently written as being misleading. Yes they have given up trying to fix the wheels, and yes that means the current mission needs to be modified, but it does not necessarily mean the end of planet-hunting because they have asked the community to propose alternative mission plans "potentially including an exoplanet search, using the remaining two good reaction wheels and thrusters" as mentioned in the NASA press release. One of the proposals that has come back is to modify the software on Kepler to compensate. Instead of the stars being fixed and stable in Kepler's field of view, they will drift. However software could track this drift and more or less completely recover the mission goals despite being unable to hold the stars in a fixed view. For details of this proposal see KeSeF - Kepler Self Follow-up Mission. Astredita (talk) 10:38, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The final paragraph of the lead states there are options open and that Kepler is not a dead-loss. What has really happened isn't important news. --Somchai Sun (talk) 11:48, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Astredita. 331dot (talk) 12:04, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I think everyone is missing the point. Yes, Kepler may still be used to do some scientific research in the future, but this is the official end of its primary mission. When the wheel failure was previously nominated, this is precisely the point that people said we should wait for. Arguably, the first announcement was the more important news, but ITN likes to wait until things are official. Well, they are official now. To say "What has really happened isn't important news" is flat out wrong. There is a huge difference between hunting for exoplanets and tracking comets within our solar system (one of the proposed future uses), for example. --ThaddeusB-public (talk) 16:23, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I see the point fine- it is still usable but cannot carry out its intended mission- but was this the only means humanity has to search for exoplanets? 331dot (talk) 16:45, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It was certainly the best way, and was responsible for finding most of the exoplanets we know of, but that's not really the point. The point is that this is the end of a highly notable 4+ year mission. --ThaddeusB (talk) 18:32, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The end of the hugely successful primary mission of a very important telescope. The exoplanet hunt has been all the rage in astronomy lately, and Kepler's primary mission has been front and center of that. (also, I can't believe I am agreeing with Medeis). Thue (talk) 16:55, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support I think story is quite a bit encyclopedic, article looks updated, mid-mission failure are decently rare... last one that was this high profile was probably the mars rover getting stuck (i dont remember if we put that on main page...). However i suggest changing blurb to "ending its primary mission" or something similar as im sure there will be more secondary missions to come -- Ashish-g55 17:17, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I added an altblurb per discussion above. --ThaddeusB (talk) 18:32, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support this story is about as big as when the Hubble was announced to require fixing to be used. Kepler won't be fixed, but considering that THIS SPACECRAFT ALONE has more than quadrupled the number of exoplanets we know of, and has done so much more for our knowledge, even a "retirement" announcement is worth being posted. Continuing the sports analogy, even if the goals will be extended (like coming back from retirement) that mission will likely be quite different the one it had. Nergaal (talk) 01:09, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support per last discussion on this topic, the mission's impact, and the high encyclopedic value of the article. Kepler's secondary mission is still workable with two wheels, but what made it notable is its huge impact on exoplanet hunting. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 01:41, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: A car bomb exploded in Beirut, Lebanon killing twenty people. This event has been covered by many news sources. It appears to be a pretty significant event in Beirut. Andise1 (talk) 22:48, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support-The death toll for this occurrence is not quite high enough for inclusion, however, bombings in a national capital are far and few between. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 23:40, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose. I actually agree with QSL, except that Beirut is no stranger to bombings. Article is also pretty skinny at the moment. 331dot (talk)
Support Second story (after Egypt) on the websites of BBC News, Al-Jazeera and The Guardian's world section. Neljack (talk) 01:23, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not seeing how that link is relevant here. 331dot (talk) 03:00, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I must ask, which user do you consider a noted vandal? QatarStarsLeague (talk) 03:01, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The bombers are the vandals and the decision to post needs to take into consideration whether this merits encyclopedic treatment. I think a policy of WP:DENY fits perfectly here. μηδείς (talk) 03:42, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I really don't think potential terrorists are going to decide it isn't worth it because we deny them coverage here. Heaps of media sources that are a lot more prominent than our little section of WP have already covered it. In any case, I don't think it is our role to censor what we post based on whether it is desirable to deny recognition to terrorists. That is a political judgment that would be inappropriate for us to make. Neljack (talk) 03:52, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
WP:DENY applies to malicious on-wiki editing and regards non-mainspace Wikipedia content. Cataloguing the horrors of the world is part of the encyclopaedic remit. --LukeSurltc 12:08, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You'll have to forgive me if I prefer to go on believing you know what an analogy is. The vote stands. μηδείς (talk) 18:28, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now - article needs to be adequately updated. Blurb needs fixing. Just because it's a criminal act doesn't mean it doesn't go on ITN – DENY is a poor argument; if it was a good one, no terrorist act would ever be posted. – Shuddetalk 09:29, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: First carnivorous mammal to be discovered in Western Hemisphere in 35 years, according to article. Starting to get major traction in media. Tombo7791 (talk) 15:33, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support - the "first new species of carnivore to be identified in the Western hemisphere in 35 years" is certainly worth posting. Article needs some work. --ThaddeusB-public (talk) 16:12, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Came here to nominate this myself. Species of insects are discovered all the time, but mammals not so much. Gamaliel (talk) 16:23, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom - rare, notable, special, wide coverage. Me likey. --Somchai Sun (talk) 16:57, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support - notable.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:21, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support. A rare event, receiving wide coverage (currently the top headline story on NBC News.com) 331dot (talk) 17:56, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support. It's Thursday, so it must be time to post another one of those once-in-a-lifetime animal classifications. Formerip (talk) 18:14, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What was the last mammal that was posted? As the nomination said, this is the first new one found in the Western Hemisphere in the last 35 years. New insects, I agree, are not once-in-a-lifetime, but this comes pretty close. 331dot (talk) 18:16, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The last one was the lavasoa dwarf lemur. Twelve days ago. Formerip (talk) 18:24, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Madagascar is not in the Western Hemisphere. 331dot (talk) 19:09, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Why are you telling me this? You asked a question, I answered it. Formerip (talk) 19:16, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Your initial comment made it sound like this sort of thing happens every day; I was merely saying that it does not, and that the most recent posting that you brought up was not from the Western Hemisphere so that's a different situation. That's all. 331dot (talk) 19:31, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it happens literally every day, but you can make anything sound a lot rarer than it really is by sticking a few qualifiers on. Marion Bartoli is the first female winner of Wimbledon born in the Eastern hemisphere to retire while wearing a hat, but no-one seems to have taken account of those factors. Formerip (talk) 19:45, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
We live in a world of qualifiers and technicalities, but the question here is whether or not it is notable. If it was headline news that Bartoli was the first female winner of Wimbledon born in the Eastern Hemisphere to retire while wearing a hat, then it might be notable. In this situation, we are talking about the discovery of a new mammal in the Western Hemisphere (half the world geographically) and how that is a rare event; we aren't talking about one country or even one city. 331dot (talk) 19:49, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
So, the reason for not posting Bartoli is that the media thought it was important enough to run without qualifiers? Formerip (talk) 20:26, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
People retiring with hats is not a notable category, and neither is one-time Wimbledon winners. I've made my point above, and I won't further stray from the topic on this page. 331dot (talk) 20:29, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support, I guess. The sources call it a major discovery. I think we can use a picture from the ZooKeys article, it seems to be licensed CC-BY. Abductive (reasoning) 18:20, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ready This is minimally updated. I suggest we use the free picture. Much cuter than that lemur. μηδείς (talk) 18:27, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I've amended the hook to reflect the 35 years fact, which makes it much more interesting. We should definitely use the ZooKeys image. Prioryman (talk) 18:51, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Instead of Western Hemisphere, could we just go with The Americas? (such as this source does) It's effectively the same thing, and landmasses seem more meaningful than arbitrary marks of longitude. --LukeSurltc 19:46, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
OK, well we should at least wikilink Western Hemisphere in the blurb if we're going with that, and probably mammal. --LukeSurltc 20:10, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Pile-on support A new species isn't discovered every day. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:54, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Posted however I need another administrator for the image to be placed in the main page, as I'm not fully familiar with cascading protection and I don't want to screw up anything. Thanks Secretaccount 20:12, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
[Closed] Marion Bartoli retires
No consensus to post. SpencerT♦C 19:09, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Current Wimbledon champion, unexpected retirement age 28 which is young for tennis players --Thryduulf (talk) 08:42, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support world known tennis name, current Wimbledon champion, her retirement has been reported worldwide. The article is updated. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 08:54, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
oppose she has not lasting legacy in tennis. Looks like she trying to go on a high knowing it was a fluke. This would set precedence for a whole bunch of mid-ranked retirees in other sports too.Lihaas (talk) 09:33, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
7th in the world is not "mid ranked" and the retirement is due to injury, if she wanted to go out on a high she'd have retired straight after Wimbledon not after losing in the second round of a minor tournament a month and a half later. If this sets a precedent for covering other sports professionals who make international news for unexpectedly retiring young while ranked in the top 10 and being the reigning champion of one of their sport's major tournaments, then I'd say that's a good precedent to have. Thryduulf (talk) 09:46, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. We generally don't post retirements, especially from sports, unless they were at the tip-top of their field usually with a long career. Even then, we do so only rarely; the last one we posted was Alex Ferguson (which I opposed) who was regarded as the top of his field (soccer managing). I'm not convinced this tennis player is (she only won one major and is retiring at only 28 due to injury). 331dot (talk) 09:49, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I too opposed Alex Fergusson as an old person retiring after the second or third time he said he would didn't strike me as news. It turns out that I was wrong on that and it was a massive news story. This is a young professional and reigning champion unexpectedly retiring young due and not the same thing. Thryduulf (talk) 09:54, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
She is still not at the tip-top of her field, which seems to be the unwritten criteria for a posting of someone's retirement. It sounds like this would be a better Did You Know item (Did you know Marion Bartoli retired at just 28 due to injuries sustained over her career?) 331dot (talk) 10:02, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, retirements are not posted (I could not forget the case of Gabriel Garcia Marquez). Egeymi (talk) 10:20, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I don't remember that case, have you got a link? Thryduulf (talk) 10:37, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I could not find archives for 2012, it should be July 2012. If I can find put here.Egeymi (talk) 13:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Link is here. That person retired due to dementia. 331dot (talk) 13:46, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
He was 85 at the time and had not published a book for 8 years. His 2012 "retirement" isn't even mentioned in his article Gabriel García Márquez. I don't think his case deserves being viewed as any kind of precedent for not posting retirements. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:11, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Not mentioning his retirement or dementia is about editors' insufficient coverage. Egeymi (talk) 17:34, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The point is that we don't usually post them, especially with sports. Even the Ferguson one was hotly contested. 331dot (talk) 14:32, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks 331dot for both the link and your last remark which I tried to say. I did not want to show Marquez's case as precedent for not posting retirements. Egeymi (talk) 17:34, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose The article has been reasonably updaed, and as the current Wimbeldon Ladies Champion she's fairly high profile. Also, as the nominator ponts out retirement at 28 is quite young so newsworthy. However she's ranked 7 in the world and can hardly be regarded as at the absolute top of her sport so I don't think this cuts it for me. Pedro : Chat 10:52, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Her career high rank is 7 and she only has one title in the 14 largest tournaments. Female tennis players often retire relatively young. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:15, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose any and all sports retirements. – Muboshgu (talk) 11:44, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose this specific retirement. It's mildly interesting, but people retire from injury early every single day. People, like Alex Ferguson, who aren't one-hit wonders, far from it, don't retire every day. That's the difference. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:36, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If we'd posted Ferguson every time he said he was going to retire it could have become embarrassing. HiLo48 (talk) 22:02, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
For me, the minimum bar for posting sporting retirements is not being a great. It is not even being exceptional. It is being peerless in your field for the vast majority of your career. —WFC— FL wishlist 23:21, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: The protests were highly anticipated since early July and the government severe reaction only added more anticipation (and media coverage). While protesters failed yesterday to form large gatherings (mainly due to the heavy deployment of security forces and overuse of barbed wire), the protests proved to be "an upsurge of a two-and-a-half-year-old campaign"[1]. Mohamed CJ(talk) 01:33, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support Update is definitely sufficient, but the blurb is somewhat unclear. What where the protests about: were they religious? political? etc. SpencerT♦C 05:38, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
They were pro-democracy (per the Reuters link above). Would this be clear enough: Bahrain security forces crackdown on pro-democracyTamarod protestsMohamed CJ(talk) 08:35, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment No comment on the nomination, but that's one hell of an article for an event that just happened two days ago. -- tariqabjotu 07:38, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, maybe significant if it took place in other regions but it is not so significant in a region where events in Egypt and Lebanon are much more violent, unfortunately. Egeymi (talk) 08:30, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support' - event has not attracted all that much attention (probably due at least in part to Egypt), but article quality is exceptional and the event is clearly highly important locally. Article is DYK eligible, so I urge you to submit it there as well in case this nomination fails. --ThaddeusB (talk) 23:38, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support This seems like a classic case where an exceptional update should tip a marginal story over the line in favour of posting. This is just the sort of article we want to showcase through linking it on the Main Page. It certainly fulfils the ITN purpose of "featur[ing] quality Wikipedia content on current events", and also that of "point[ing] readers to subjects they might not have been looking for but nonetheless may interest them" - I found the article a very interesting and lucid explanation of what was going on in Bahrain. The protests and crackdown have also got a fair bit of international media attention - more that I expected. The blurb could perhaps mention the injuries too. Neljack (talk) 01:05, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
A group of researchers led by a team at the University of Milan unveils a device which uses a magnetic pulse to stimulate the brain and measure the resulting electrical waves in order to more accurately assess the remaining level of brain function and consciousness in brain-damaged individuals. (NBC)(Bloomberg)
Nominator's comments: I am not sure of the article or update yet but im assuming this will make it to main page as possibly 100+ people have been killed and state of emergency declared in egypt. Change the blurb and article as needed ---- Ashish-g55 14:02, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I have added suggested wikilinks, but I suspect there are other possibilities. Think we should be vague about numbers of dead for now, which are sadly rising as we speak. Formerip (talk) 14:27, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Question. We previously had to pull a story about Egypt because the article title included the word "coup". Has that now been resolved? Formerip (talk) 15:58, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Is it relevant? This blurb doesn't include the word "coup". The Rambling Man (talk) 17:04, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Not the blurb, the bolded article. That was what previously got the blurb complained about and pulled. Formerip (talk) 17:08, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Huh, since when do we let politics (in this case that would be the Obama administration not wanting to cut of funding to Egypt, at least they want to be able to do that at their own discretion), get in the way of simply reporting the news, which does involve calling a "coup" a "coup" but of course, without taking a position on whether or not this coup was justified or not. Count Iblis (talk) 17:59, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Since when, I'm not sure, but I believe its what happened. I think it may be that the appearance of the article on the front page led to a dispute about it and the article becoming unstable. So my question is possibly about whether there is now an established consensus behind "coup" which makes that less likely to happen. Formerip (talk) 18:04, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
it is a coup by definition. i dont think any consensus is required for that. If after posting people think otherwise then thats really more for article talk page rather than ITN. I think we are OK to post it as is. BTW its 149 deaths reported now with the brotherhood saying 2000! WTH. Nobody knows who is right but both numbers are pretty high. -- Ashish-g55 18:40, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It was removed because of an orange tag at the top of the 2013 Egyptian coup d'état article noting that the article's title was disputed, which is very much was. (The article had been up for awhile though, and was basically at the bottom of the template.) I think article title tags should be used sparingly, but the use of the term "coup" was a major article-wide issue. Regardless, that tag is gone now, so, presumably, consensus has been that the use of the term is accurate and neutral. -- tariqabjotu 20:54, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support. A state of national emergency, severe clashes, 200 people dead etc. in a major city is a huge event.--FoxyOrange (talk) 21:36, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support Agree that we should be vague about number of dead, since it seems there isn't clarity on that at the moment. Neljack (talk) 21:40, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - there is now a stand alone article, August 14th clashes. It is a bit stubby at the moment - I will work on it within the next couple hours if no one else gets to it first. --ThaddeusB (talk) 21:46, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have nominated that for deletion. At best it should be a redirect. Imagine someone looking at wikipedia a year from now and finding that August 14th has its own lone article. This is not the news, and we do not need to be creating articles for the sole purpose of supporting nominations. μηδείς (talk) 01:16, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose using the term pro-Morsi supporters. We haven't yet identified any dead in any post as anti-Morsi supporters. μηδείς (talk) 00:55, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure I understand your point, but if it is about the redundant "pro" in "pro-Morsi supporters" the blurb actually uses the word "protesters". Formerip (talk) 01:03, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support, this appears to be a major event in Egyptian history. I hope the situations with the blurb and the articles gets sorted out soon. Abductive (reasoning) 00:56, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Posted Feel free, admins, to tweak wording per subsequent discussions. JehochmanTalk 01:05, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
We should not be identifying the dead as pro- or anti- anything. We haven't done it before when the protestors were against Morsi and we shouldn't be doing it now. Just scores of protestors killed is fine. μηδείς (talk) 01:16, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What event are you referring to? -- tariqabjotu 01:42, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Change target? - there is a standalone article now (August 2013 Egyptian clashes) that is in decent shape and provides much more information. However, it has a (malformed) AfD on it, so not sure what to do about that. --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:17, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Given you know it is malformed you could fix it. Even better, remove "supporting former president Mohamed Morsi" from the blurb as an odd time to forget neutrality here. μηδείς (talk) 01:23, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Or you could read the instructions on how to nominate an article for AfD. It is not something I do often so I'd have to read them myself to fix it... A have no idea why describing the protestors as supporters of Morsi (when that is the way every source describes them) is supposedly non-neutral. Unnecessary, perhaps, but POV I think not. --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:33, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) What's POV about "supporting former president Mohamed Morsi"? -- tariqabjotu 01:36, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There is no POV when the protesters were in FACT supporting Morsi. Both camps were entirely there to support him. Thats the reason this whole thing went down... -- Ashish-g55 04:27, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Done, after closing the AFD as a blatant WP:SNOW keep. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:58, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Change Blurb: The blurb is biased saying that security forces moved in to kill 100s of demonstrators is clearly not what happened. The main news event is that the security forces cracked down on the 6 week long sit in by the brotherhood. The sit in included many firearms, molotov cocktails and many videos and pictures show that these "protesters" fired at the security forces with klashinkovs and other weapons. The word used by most media is a crackdown not the killing of demonstrators. You can clearly see that here for example. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Diaa abdelmoneim (talk • contribs)
That's a POV issue; you see it that way, the other side sees it differently. What is factual is that people were killed by security forces. 331dot (talk) 09:57, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You should also know better than citing ayoutube video as encyclopaedic fact here.Lihaas (talk) 12:47, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Change blurb. The blurb should be changed to say "hundreds" dead instead of scores, now that the death toll has gone past 400. [2]331dot (talk) 09:57, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Huh? The blurb has said "hundreds" almost since it was posted to ITN. The blurb here is not the blurb on the Main Page. -- tariqabjotu 13:59, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, guess I looked at this posting more than the main page. 331dot (talk) 14:33, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support - significant accident, minority topic too. Mjroots (talk) 12:21, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support but wait till some more info is available like the number of dead... i dont see that anywhere. And i dont think we should say "explosion sinks" since its sort of sitting on the port slightly under water. just damaged with casualty figures would be enough. -- Ashish-g55 13:30, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support-Just as soon as we have a reliable casualty total. It seems to be that up to 18 could have been killed or are currently trapped, potentially more. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 14:03, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The article mentions that 18 sailors are trapped inside. Why do we need "casualty total" to display the article at WP:ITN? --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 14:12, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Many sources seem unsure if they are trapped or dead... its too breaking right now. -- Ashish-g55 14:34, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
OK, but it's for sure that INS Sindhurakshak sank, which is what the blurb says. The rest is explained in the article, with a possibility to update/improve it. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 14:39, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure whether to support or oppose this, since we already have one story about the Indian Navy in the box, and this doesn't seem to be getting really major coverage. The article seems to be updated, though. Formerip (talk) 16:04, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
IMO, this is clearly more important news compared to Vikrant.. ƬheStrikeΣaglesorties 16:08, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe. I'm not sure. But it wasn't really my point. Formerip (talk) 16:10, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
well indian navy managed to produce two news events in a week. its a rare case and doubt we'll be seeing two items from them anytime soon if ever -- Ashish-g55 16:59, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support Significant coverage...described as one of the largest disasters of the navy... ƬheStrikeΣaglesorties 16:08, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support it's reporting worldwide and is indeed a tragic and significant event. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:03, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ready well updated and supported. μηδείς (talk) 17:47, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've posted the sinking; we can add the casualty information to the blurb when we have it. --Bongwarrior (talk) 18:31, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There's something about "a pair of explosions" which reads weirdly. Could we maybe just say "two explosions"? Formerip (talk) 18:41, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I had used "a pair" rather than "two" because I thought it sounded a little more natural. I won't stand in the way if someone wants to change it, but I still prefer "a pair". --Bongwarrior (talk) 18:51, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Question: why "a pair of explosions"? All sources I've read only mention one explosion. There was a more minor explosion in 2010, but there's no indication it is related to the recent explosion and sinking of the vessel. -Zanhe (talk) 00:39, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting support. Tragic accident, and subs sinking is a rare event. 331dot (talk) 23:17, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Request. Please resist the temptation to add casualty figures when known. This incident is so obviously serious and unusual that its Main Page worthiness is independent from the statistics – I think keeping the blurb short and sharp makes it all the more poignant. —WFC— FL wishlist 00:18, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. Our blurbs are not there to be poignant. They are there to provide information to our readers, who are likely to want to know whether people have been killed and, if so, how many. Neljack (talk) 02:55, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The question for me is whether the death toll will make the reader more or less likely to go to the article and learn more about the event. In the case of a school shooting or mid-sized earthquake, the toll is very important – events of that nature happen multiple times per year, and the toll helps to emphasize that the impact of that particular event is exceptional. An explosion on a submarine achieves that on its own; adding the toll would in my opinion make the reader less likely to go through to the article. —WFC— FL wishlist 23:06, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Saw the huge ball at midnight with orange flams. And I was not even near it. It was massive. Forget to get a pic for WP though ;(Lihaas (talk) 06:34, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
American politician and former House RepresentativeJesse Jackson Jr. is sentenced to 30 months in prison for spending $750,000 in campaign funds on personal items, and will serve his sentence first before his wife, former Chicago alderman Sandi Jackson, who was given a one year term for tax fraud. (NBC)
Israeli–Palestinian peace talks start amid controversy over Israeli settlement expansion and the release of 26 Palestinians convicted of murdering Israelis. (Reuters)
U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, in a major policy shift in the War on Drugs, announces that the federal government, following some states' stances, will direct its prosecutors to no longer insist on automatic mandatory minimum prison sentences for non-violent, low-level, non-repeat offender drug offenses where the defendant is not involved with gangs and/or cartels. (MSN)
Both articles need updating One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
According to that BBC report, the results aren't official yet - though Keita is almost certain to be declared the winner when they are. --LukeSurltc 07:25, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support-Per ITN/R as soon as they become official. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 14:56, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
While I can't see any official figures, the other candidate in the two-candidate run-off election has conceded defeat. [5] --LukeSurltc 00:15, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support as per WP:ITN/R and obvious importance of any national presidential election, but I have to say that the article Ibrahim Boubacar Keita needs more thorough update. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 14:06, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Results in. The article is not sufficiently updated, but the percentages have been added. Anyone care to add a few lines of prose? Formerip (talk) 14:09, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
[Closed] NYC stop-and-frisk
No consensus to post. SpencerT♦C 01:22, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: "Stop and frisk" is controversial, as police officers are far more likely to stop and frisk individuals of color --– Muboshgu (talk) 20:18, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Municipal legal matter, combined with an intensely POV article. By no means suitable for ITN.--WaltCip (talk) 20:20, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Purely a local legal matter. 331dot (talk) 20:30, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It is a Federal judge's ruling, but her remedies are absurd, the policy should just be made illegal, not justify a whole new federal oversight regime. When this gets to the Supreme Court simply outlawing the policy as violating the 4th Amendment without any suggestion it can continue as long as it's filmed it will have my wholehearted support. μηδείς (talk) 20:38, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, because it is extremely local.Egeymi (talk) 20:44, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Clearly this one won't get posted (I didn't think it would, but decided to give it a shot anyway), but the issues of profiling go far beyond the "local matter" of the NYPD policy. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:36, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The objections are all off though. This has been a federal matter for a while. The one's calling this local have either not read or do not understand the law. μηδείς (talk) 22:43, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Just because a local law is being challenged in federal court does not mean it isn't anything other than a local issue. 331dot (talk) 22:50, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
False. It sets a federal-district wide precedent, to which all locations in the federal district must adhere, and if challenged to the SC a final, national precedent. The NYC policy has been challenged locally before this, although our article doesn't mention it. This is the first federal case. E.g., one state judge decision not in our article: [6]. μηδείς (talk) 00:31, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If this case gets to SCOTUS (possible, but not too likely) then it might be worth posting the ruling on, since there would indeed be a national precedent, but not the ruling from a single federal district within one state. 331dot (talk) 00:37, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: Major mafia figure with a highly publicized trial --– Muboshgu (talk) 20:12, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
support a decades long most wanted story in the US, with dozens of books written and one man basically running organized crime in all of New England with a huge amount of police and FBI corruption to boot. Biggest criminal story in the US since ABSCAM, Gotti, or the murder of Jimmy Hoffa. μηδείς (talk) 4:41 pm, Today (UTC−4)
Support Significant figure within the America crime world. Significant conviction given the former protection Bulger received from the FBI (which he had infiltrated). Also given the length of time he was on the run and on the FBI's most wanted list. Alt blurb provided. --RA (✍) 22:02, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support per RA. 331dot (talk) 23:37, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Article has two "citation needed" tags in the lede, which need to be remedied. Neljack (talk) 00:21, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Better update needed - two sentences in a very short trial section isn't really going to cut it given the amount of attention the trial has drawn. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:33, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
strong ioppose not in the news outside 1 country and intensly local issue.Lihaas (talk) 02:25, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Wow. Lihass I respect your aim to maintain a cosmopolitan outlook at ITN but this is a classic example of why our guidelines prohibit an oppose based on that reasoning. Leaving aside that your !vote violates the rules at the top of the page, this is only a local issue on the surface. First off, this was previously the TOP headline at the BBC. But looking at the substance, yes, Whitey Bulger is a Boston based mobster, just as Manchester United are a Manchester based football team. But Bulger had influence and effects well beyond Boston (and certainly commanded interest). He was convicted on federal charges, and was an FBI informant. One of his alleged murders took place in Oklahoma. He supported the IRA. He spent over a decade on the FBI's most wanted list and the reward for information from the FBI was the second largest ever (the first being Osama bin laden). He and his gang have been the subject of numerous bestselling books (certainly read outside Boston). He inspired a character in an Best Picture winning movie played by Jack Nicholson. There are upcoming big budget movies based on him. To describe this as a little parochial matter of interest to a small portion of the Northeast of the US is to look at the mere surface of this story.--Johnsemlak (talk) 02:43, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've updated the article with info on the trial, which is now at the racketeering trial and conviction subsection. I would be hesitant to say he was convicted of murder, however, since he was in fact charged with racketeering. Hot Stoptalk-contribs 04:13, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Posted w/o mentioning the murders since he was not charged with murder. --ThaddeusB (talk) 05:21, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Support, he meets the criteria for RD.Egeymi (talk) 14:41, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose under the current RD requirements he is neither a sitting dignitary nor ver important in any field. There is a discussion about the requiremets on talk, but unless they change he in no way qualifies. μηδείς (talk) 16:00, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
A senior member of a major royal house may fit under #1 or perhaps #3. Regardless, we don't need to follow the rules without question if there's a good case for improving the encyclopedia by ignoring them. --LukeSurltc 16:40, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support. Because I like his name. It sounds fictional. And because we have an imbalance of US:non-US stories at the moment. Formerip (talk) 17:33, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support for RD, also worthy of posting on ITN. Death of a member of a Royal Family is newsworthy. Mjroots (talk) 18:22, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Friso was actually removed from the Royal House which you will see if you read his article. He was neither sitting, nor an heir to the throne, nor part of any international marriage alliance, nor of any importance beyond maybe his holdingsas a private businessman. μηδείς (talk) 18:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Royal House and Royal Family are not the same thing. Friso was the brother of the King. Mjroots (talk) 19:28, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Friso was actually removed from the Royal House which you will see if you read his article. He was neither sitting, nor an heir to the throne, nor part of any international marriage alliance, nor of any importance beyond maybe his holdingsas a private businessman. μηδείς (talk) 22:35, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty shitty of you to just copy and paste the same comment. The Dutch royal house is separate to the royal family, so no need to be a dick. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.61.72 (talk) 03:25, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Bet we would post if Prince Andrew carked it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.61.72 (talk) 03:29, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
We probably wouldn't if he had been removed from the line of succession, as this Prince was. Since Andrew is still in the line of succession(even if further down) that rationale doesn't apply. There may be other reasons to not post him, too. 331dot (talk) 09:33, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose. From reading the article it seems that though he lost his membership in the Royal House he did not lose his titles; he simply was no longer in the line of succession. That said, however, that does mean he is not "in a high-ranking office of power at the time of death", failing #1. I would think it would also mean he was not important in his field if he could not succeed to the throne (the Royal Family, if you call that a field), failing #2. I also don't see a wide international impact here, failing #3. I also think even if we removed the criteria as proposed that he still might not qualify. 331dot (talk) 20:38, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I don't think we should post the deaths of members of royal families just because they are royal. There are lots of royal families out there and many of them have lots of members. There is no indication that Prince Friso has a significant impact on the Netherlands, and - as has been noted - he renounced his rights to the succession. Neljack (talk) 00:36, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: The fifth country in the world to build an aircraft carrier. Formerip (talk) 11:23, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
it is NOT india's first aircraft carrier. and the page is not updated as the lead says it will be launched in 2018 (unless you mean the table with 3 words for the date, if so that's an insufficient update). See List of aircraft carriers in serviceLihaas (talk) 12:23, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Do you see the box above where it says "article needs updating"? 2018 is the date the ship will enter service, though, not a prospective launch date, as the article makes clear. Formerip (talk) 12:31, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ideally we would want an article on the INS Vikrant itself (INS Vikrant currently redirects to an article for a decommissioned ship). To clarify Lihaas' first point, INS Vikramaditya (a purchase rather than a new build) is currently undergoing sea trials, so we have to avoid the words "India's first aircraft carrier" without qualification. --LukeSurltc 13:10, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There are several stages for a warship before it is a fully-fledged vessel in a navy. Launch is one such milestone, however I would be more inclined to favour the commissioning. --LukeSurltc 13:20, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've nominated this as an industrial achievement, rather than a military achievement, hence the launch is the key event. Plus it's the bit that is traditionally seen as the "birth" of a ship, with the whole dignitary's-wife-wastes-good-champagne hoopla (assuming they do it that way in India). Formerip (talk) 13:32, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
OK. Sounds reasonable. --LukeSurltc 13:45, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Altblurb suggested which points more to an industrial rather than military angle. Support as per FormerIP, though I would still like an INS Vikrant article. --LukeSurltc 15:36, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support we really need a new item... i dont think ive seen a new one in a week now. will go lenient on this since the actual commencement is far away. no need to reject items for something that will not come for 5 years. its still a notable achievement -- Ashish-g55 15:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support when updated--a significant military development. μηδείς (talk) 16:02, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting oppose. We should post when it is commissioned and put in service. Merely launching the ship does not guarantee that. 331dot (talk) 20:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It may depend on perspective but, like I said above, I see this as being about industry and economic development rather than in military terms. Today India formally marked a change from being a country that had never built an aircraft carrier to being one that had. When it subsequently sticks a radar antenna on top, installs the captain's jukebox and sticks the thing in its navy, I think that will be less significant. Formerip (talk) 21:08, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate your views, but I don't see it in military terms so much as usability- anything can happen between now and the expected commissioning date to prevent its commissioning and use- in which case this landmark in industry means nothing. What you said, however, is why I didn't suggest pulling it. 331dot (talk) 21:30, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Post-posting support. Unless this wasn't the day it was launched with the bottle of champagne, this is a fine ITN item. Very few nations have ever had an aircraft carrier. Abductive (reasoning) 00:32, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: Fighting has broken out between tribes in Darfur resulting in many deaths. Andise1 (talk) 05:50, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support-Immense death toll, needless to say it is uncommon to see this high a death toll outside of war zones. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 14:14, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
War_in_Darfur#2013 needs an update, and I wonder if a separate article might be a better update candidate. SpencerT♦C 18:22, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support - While these conflicts are not uncommon in the region, ones that kill 100+ are rare and often have lasting consequences. Article is now updated. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:18, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
With 2 supports? Theres plenty of other nom's with more consensus that don't get posted.Lihaas (talk) 11:35, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Two supports and no objections. I can add that I support this as well. – Muboshgu (talk) 12:12, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, consensus is not determined by vote counting. Second the vote was 3-0 (nominator counts) at the time (after 24+ hours), now 4-0, which is consensus to post by any reasonable definition. --ThaddeusB-public (talk) 15:53, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Article needs updating Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Death of an alleged Nazi war criminal for the RD ticker. Article is in pretty good shape too. LugnutsDick Laurent is dead 08:20, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support for RD Once the last two uncited parts of the article are referenced. Miyagawa (talk) 09:03, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support for RD per Miyagawa. 331dot (talk) 09:16, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
How do we judge his importance in the overall scheme of things, though? The article isn't very clear about what he actually did. Isn't a list of war criminals from 70 years ago going to be focusing mainly on the criterion of being alive? Formerip (talk) 14:16, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that is quite enough, there was after all quite lot of nazi war criminals. How was he a special case amongst them beyond living longer. Therefore I OpposeSeraV (talk) 16:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose what in the world criterion does this meet? What field is he at the top of? μηδείς (talk) 16:07, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, he might be at the top of the field of Nazi war criminals, although it is not at all clear. Formerip (talk) 16:58, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Please DO NOT mark as updated articles that plainly aren't. SEe RD requirements at the top right of the page if confused. μηδείς (talk) 16:10, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Death notices are based on a five-sentence, three source update of the death section, not on updates of the rest of the article. That can be changed, but it hasn't been yet. μηδείς (talk) 17:45, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
He has the right to point out an issue without being pressured into fixing it. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 01:19, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral on RD, opposed to blurb. The name will be well known to those with a view on the 21st century attempts to track down surviving Nazis. But to die of natural causes at 98 is unremarkable, and I don't think the article goes into enough detail on his pre-2012 life to justify the additional exposure of a full blurb. —WFC— FL wishlist 17:34, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
A quote from the article: "Csatáry was a small fish. I could name 2,000 people responsible for worse crimes than he was." μηδείς (talk) 17:45, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose A relatively minor Nazi war criminal. SpencerT♦C 18:27, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose His only significance was living so long after WWII, had he died 10 years ago no one would have noticed. --ThaddeusB (talk) 00:22, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If that's the case, how can we be sure he didn't? Formerip (talk) 00:14, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The reference to him being "a small fish" seems accurate. He can thus hardly be regarded as a very important figure in the field of war crimes. I also note that, while the blurb refers to him as a "suspected war criminal" (I would have thought that just being a suspect would make the notability case even weaker), the article refers to him as a "war criminal" on the basis of his 1948 conviction in absentia in Czechoslovakia. I am concerned that there is a NPOV issue with that (others have raised the issue before on the talk page without agreement being reached). Neljack (talk) 00:31, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: Biggest single-event prize awarded for an esport event hosted by a well known company, in a rapidly growing esport, which itself, is a rapidly growing area. --49.187.58.5 (talk) 16:12, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral The biggest Electronic sports ("esports") prize ever awarded, which should probably be mentioned in the blurb if this is posted. However, the Electronic sports article needs attention. --hydrox (talk) 17:58, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose Maybe significant itself but how does this compare itself to MLG (the only esport event I ever heard of) other than prize money. Also I cannot see what is significant to this so called "sport" that struggles to get itself nominated, for example the two IPC athletics and swimming, and even if I would support the two, there are plenty of people who will press for an oppose. Even the nomination for the FIFA Club World Cup final was opposed last December and that is supposed to be the most significant event for any football clubs. Donnie Park (talk) 00:49, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support for 2 reasons: the prize is shockingly large (unless the largest is not mot larger, I don't care too much if it is not the largest-since $1.4M seems much above the top prizes offered in most olympic sports for example); and esports are shockingly under-represented throughout the wiki AND on ITN. Nergaal (talk) 15:45, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Currently we do not have an article update which would be considered sufficient for a more 'traditional' sporting events. The article offers no information on the actual games that occurred in the tournament (not even scorecards), and nothing about the competing teams apart from the teamnames exists on the wiki. The lack of this information is indicative of the fact that eSports aren't quite at this level of notabilty (yet). --LukeSurltc 15:57, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Nominator's comments: A significant event in electoral politics; over 30 million voters are registered in Argentina, and turnout for this frst round was over 70%. --98.166.186.191 (talk) 17:27, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Question. Would this be ITNR, or just the final round? I think in elections with runoffs we only post the final election. 331dot (talk) 20:43, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This was the first of two rounds, designed to keep very minor parties and ad hoc splinter groups - which in the past were often created solely to wedge the vote for larger parties - from influencing the final results (GOP efforts to draft Green Party candidates - sometimes even the homeless - in past House races is the closest U.S. analogy I can think of). This may not qualify for inclusion in the headline 'In the News' ticker, but I thought you might like to mention it in the 'Politics and Elections' section of the Current Events portal. 98.166.186.191 (talk) 21:27, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I believe you can add it to the portal yourself without needing permission. Formerip (talk) 21:29, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose First-round elections are very rarely put up on ITN unless there's something extremely special about it, and I see nothing particularly special here. Best to try again when the second round happens. Redverton (talk) 00:05, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Please refer to my comment above where I mention that This may not qualify for inclusion in the headline 'In the News' ticker, but I thought you might like to mention it in the 'Politics and Elections' section of the Current Events portal. As it happens, these news have been in the Current Events Portal for a while now as suggested - so I think it's all been said already. Thanks. 98.166.186.191 (talk) 16:03, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Both articles updated One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: This is an ITNR item that should be posted. --HotHat (talk) 23:51, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Rremove nationalisty, we don't post that for other such events like Tennis/Lihaas (talk) 04:09, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This is not true. We often post nationality, especially as it's more natural to say "American golfer Jason Dufner wins..." than to say "In golf, Jason Dufner wins..." -- tariqabjotu 04:52, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment' - updating the PGA article is preferable to Dufner's page. In any case, I do not find the current update at eitehr page to be adequate. --ThaddeusB (talk) 04:45, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Both articles have significant updates to them, and it has to include his nationality.HotHat (talk) 06:49, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Um, the blurb most certainly does not have to include his nationality. One option may be preferable to the other, but neither is required. Update is sufficient.--ThaddeusB (talk) 15:06, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Posted And, yes, the blurb doesn't need to mention nationality, but I generally believe the alternative blurb sounds more natural. I suppose "American" could still be omitted, but I don't think mentioning nationality is odd or unusual, particularly when the golfer is not particularly well-known. -- tariqabjotu 15:49, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comment when posted, the article (Dufner) was packed with unreferenced claims, and an inadequate lead. Some of the rot has been deleted, but it's still in an appalling state. Why would anyone consider this article to be ready for main page inclusion? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:37, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: A new species of a Shark has been found in South Carolina. Andise1 (talk) 15:19, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Intereting but the article doesn't exist and mention on the main page would be useles to our readers. Do you plan to start it? --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 16:04, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, firstly, there is no article at the moment - and also the point about the initial annoucement coming some seven years ago is quite significant. I think all that has happened recently is that the species has been named. Miyagawa (talk) 08:53, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
James Lee DiMaggio, a suspect in the Boulevard, California murders of Christina and Ethan Anderson, and the abduction of Hannah Anderson, is shot to death by an FBI agent in Ada County, Idaho. Hannah Anderson was unharmed. (CNN)
Article needs updating Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: She was a notable singer who won both a Grammy award and an Emmy award. Andise1 (talk) 00:54, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Reading the news articles and her WP article, she seems to have been a popular singer, but there is nothing to indicate that she was a very important figure in her field. If anyone can provide evidence to the contrary I will, of course, reconsider. Neljack (talk) 01:25, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Neljack. She won one Grammy in 1967 for a solo performance and won another later as a duo with her husband. While she had a long career I'm not seeing how she was very important either. I also cannot find a mention of her winning an Emmy in the sources given or her article. 331dot (talk) 01:29, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
In her singing partneship with Steve Lawrence: ""A prolific 93 albums, 12 Emmys, 2 Grammys and innumerable national tours.. ": People obit? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:16, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Definitely more important in my life and had a longer, more diverse and more successful career than that recent dead non-entity from Glee, but we must do something to restore our standards here. HiLo48 (talk) 01:32, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I would really find an essay "My Standards" by HiLo quite. μηδείς (talk) 02:00, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing formal has changed since the posting of that recent, one-show-wonder from Glee. I will keep highlighting it's stupidity until something happens to prevent such postings in future. HiLo48 (talk) 02:49, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That is unbelievably unhelpful. What exactly do you want - a rule that says "thou shall not post Glee actors?" or perhaps we should add "Don't post anything HiLo disagrees with or else be prepared to be reminded of it forever" to the rules? There is a time to express your disagreement with a post, and there is a time to drop the stick and move on. The latter is here. --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:52, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
While it's not an official policy, precedent obviously plays a part in what we post here. Until that Glee precedent is publicly ruled incorrect, and policies put in place to stop such errors ever being made again, it exists as a precedent, so of course we should post Eydie Gorme. Those saying to forget obviously want it to be forgotten, but haven't done anything to fix the problem. I have more principles. I'm not that kind of person. I have more principles. HiLo48 (talk) 04:01, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Even if it was a precedent, which it is not, part of the reason it was posted was the unexpected nature of the death leading to widespread coverage. That obviously isn't the case here. Again, what policy "put in place to stop such errors" do you want exactly? Maybe you should propose something in an appropriate venue (such as talk page) if you feel so strongly about it instead of repeatedly bringing it up in other nominations. --ThaddeusB (talk) 04:30, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Referring to Cory Monteith as a "dead non-entity" and a "one-show-wonder" is crass and rude. Yes, the man died of a drug overdose, but that doesn't mean he should be denigrated. God forbid one of his family members stumbles upon this page. 204.111.20.10 (talk) 04:58, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If you don't like the truthful negatives, did you argue against the absolute nonsense positives written about him after his death. That thread was sickening in its dishonesty. And the death got posted. I believe in telling the truth. We could do with a lot more of that on Wikipedia. HiLo48 (talk) 06:10, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There is a difference between 'telling the truth' and 'being needlessly crass'; you are doing the latter. One can tell the truth without doing that(which was really my main point) There is also a difference between truth and opinion; you are also giving the latter there. I'm not saying "forget" about it, I'm saying bring it up, if you must, in a manner with basic human decency and respect. You don't need to beat the dead horse to do so. 331dot (talk) 09:17, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I would also think that threatening to bring it up in perpetuity is essentially a WP:POINT issue. 331dot (talk) 09:24, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
User:331dot, it's only WP:POINT if brought up *after* reform (or when reform is expressly ruled out). Because of the precedent created by the Glee nomination, reform to RD is clearly a long way off. doktorbwordsdeeds 09:28, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I respectfully disagree; the first example listed on WP:POINT is somewhat close to what is going on here. (swap out a few words) A threat to bring up something in perpetuity until one gets their way, especially in a crass manner, is nothing but disruptive. 331dot (talk) 09:40, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Allowing crap items to be posted, and refusing to do anything about it in perpetuity, is disruptive AND destructive. Oh, and we have no policies demanding something YOU define as basic human decency and respect. Showing false respect is, in fact, quite disrespectful. HiLo48 (talk) 21:32, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Repeatedly whining about a past nomination in other nominations is not "doing something". We, in fact, have a discussion on the talk page about the Death criteria and neither you nor Doktorbuk nor The Rambling Man have contributed, opting instead to bring up "that Glee guy" here [again] as if he has anything to do with this nomination. -- tariqabjotu 21:42, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Saw that discussion. It's pointless. Wrong proposal. HiLo48 (talk) 21:54, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Then start the "correct" proposal. As Tariq said, complaining endlessly is not "doing something" and is borderline being purposely disruptive. --ThaddeusB (talk) 04:51, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What you call a "crap item" is called a worthy ITN item by others, per consensus. We actually do have a policy about basic decency and respect. Are you the sole arbiter of what is "pointless" on Wikipedia or not? You can either call it pointless and refuse to participate, or you can participate and work to get your point across. 331dot (talk) 21:56, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That's quite a brief two word appraisal of the entire career of Eydie Gorme.Martinevans123 (talk) 22:02, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose And I use the "Glee Precedent" as created by User:Tariqabjotu as my basis for wanting reform of RD and admin powers, too. doktorbwordsdeeds 09:26, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
As implied by Thaddeus, something is only a precedent if we allow it to be; content here is posted by consensus. 331dot (talk) 09:40, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support A notable award-winning popular singer. Difficult when one half of a well-know duo dies (Steve Lawrence still alive, of course). Personally I'd have supported purely on the basis of Goffin and King's 1963 "I Want to Stay Here" (and that only reached number 28!) Martinevans123 (talk) 11:51, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Collapsing side discussion. SpencerT♦C 20:57, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Intentionally being obnoxious; see contributions. -- tariqabjotu 17:35, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I thought "Duh", "Meh" and "Who" were quite reasonable reasons actually, if a little on the brief side. I see that you actually oppose. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:02, 11 August 2013 (UTC) [reply]
@Martinevans123: What? Was any part of that comment meant to be serious? -- tariqabjotu 18:18, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Only the bits between "I" and "oppose". Martinevans123 (talk) 18:20, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ok... but I haven't opposed this nomination. -- tariqabjotu 18:25, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, no you haven't. You just appear to have. Now's your chance! But why do you think those one word reasons are "obnoxious"? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:35, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
He was clearly just mocking the ITN/C instructions that say Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. He even made sure to edit in the exclamation point. -- tariqabjotu 18:54, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Probably not a coincidence, then. How ironic. And I always thought those were some of the most sincere reasons. Of course, they may still be useful...but apparently not when all used in rapid succession. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:05, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Martin Evans. μηδείς (talk) 17:55, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support as Martin has made a good case. It's not quite the Glee guy (after all, it hasn't been posted within moments against criteria), but I've noted this passing has been main page on the BBC on my iPhone this morning and is still there some 12 hours later. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:10, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Very minor figure in pop music history. (Sorry, Martin.) Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:02, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support Seems to tick all of the boxes for RD notability as an important figure in the field. Eight top 40 hits in the US (and four in the UK), member of the Songwriters Hall of Fame, and won an Emmy and two Grammys. Teemu08 (talk) 15:50, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: Is anybody going to create this article?
This isn't the forum to request the creation of an article; I further suspect that the event would probably get added to an article about the ongoing conflict there. Given the ongoing status of the conflict and bombings there, I suspect this would not win consensus to get posted, as it is (unfortunately) not an unusual occurrence in Iraq. 331dot (talk) 00:18, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support this source Wired will give enough for an update. Five dead in a pyroclastic flow. μηδείς (talk) 18:05, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I don't see this as important enough for us to cover. The volcano has been erupting continuously for over a year; this was a spasm that happened to find a few people in the wrong place at the wrong time. Looie496 (talk) 19:03, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Searching Google News I haven't been able to find anyone else killed globally by pyroclastic flows in the last decade. The prior reported eruptions of this volcano this decade have just been spewed ash, not pyroclastic flows. μηδείς (talk) 21:46, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. That is the reason I said "I haven't been able to find" instead of there weren't. μηδείς (talk) 00:04, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed the careful wording, although honestly I'd have gone with standard Google since Google News purges itself in regular intervals. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:25, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I used the date range function. Are you implying even then it is not a complete record? μηδείς (talk) 02:56, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The date range function will not pick up sites which have gone dead, naturally. I remember reading that most pages go offline within a year. My experience with Google's cache is that it goes down within a month. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:59, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support Because this is an Indonesian news, added by I comefrom Indonesia, I like it! Indonesian language (Karena ini adalah berita Indonesia, ditambah lagi saya berasal dari Indonesia, maka saya menyukainya!)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Hanamanteo (talk • contribs) 07:59, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Being from the nation where this news is occurring is not a reason to post this story to ITN, nor is "I like it". 331dot (talk) 09:21, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Really does, but I comefrom Indonesia...--Hanamanteo (talk) 14:12, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to see this posted, updating the article with info from the eruption will help a lot. μηδείς (talk) 17:48, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Marginal support How common is the eruption of this volcano? I can see the death count being an issue (if you know what I mean) but it's a rare enough event to be notable. doktorbwordsdeeds 09:30, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Number of deaths is somewhat marginable, volcano has been erupting for the past several months according to the article. Certainly nowhere near the scale of the Merapi eruptions (which did make ITN). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:15, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Intentionally being obnoxious; see contributions. -- tariqabjotu 17:34, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose With only few deaths and 3000 evacuated (which really isn't that much), I don't see this as being that significant. Article quality is also rather poor. SeraV (talk) 20:49, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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