User talk:Voceditenore

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Hey

Oi, you haven't put your email into your preferences!

Only reason I noticed is that I usually ask this privately, but anyway...fancy a shot at RFA? I would be happy to nominate you. Best, Moreschi (talk) (debate) 22:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

• Oi, Moreschi, I've sent you an email so you'll have my address if you ever need it. Thanks for the offer and your confidence. But... admin-ing would take too much time away from what I really enjoy – writing articles, rescuing worthy kittens from being drowned at AfDs, and helping out on the Opera Project. The latter can provide quite enough wiki-drama as it is. ;-). Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:58, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

See also [1]. Voceditenore (talk) 10:26, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

It was a delight...

...to read this brilliant piece. And I wasn't even looking for it; I came here to thank you for backing me up on the GA issue on Egardus, since that's something that's been bugging me for a while and had to get off my chest. But your essay was spot-on. Oops, there I go again, pretending to be an adult! Need to get a bouncier, animated signature ... Antandrus (talk) 23:02, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll make you one if you promise to give me three barnstars. ;-) Seriously, though thanks for the kind review. I wrote that when WP was in the midst of an invasion by a particularly... er... time-consuming... bunch of 13 year olds. At one point there was even a WikiProject (now deleted) that was awarding them barnstars for every 1000 edits, every 50 AfD's "voted on", every 5 (hapless) editors they adopted, etc., etc.. For a while, I and a couple of other editors spent all our time running around cleaning up after them, until they lost interest and/or got blocked. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:49, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Much appreciation

Hi, Voceditenore. Thanks for the beautiful rewrite on John Andrew Rea. I would prefer not having to delete noteworthy articles, but the current backlog at copyright violations leaves me little time to revise much text. (Especially in Moonriddengirl's absence.) I just wanted you to know that I very much appreciate your contributions. Cheers. — CactusWriter | ^needles 06:21, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome ;-) and you were absolutely right to delete it. If you have time, could you do me a favour? I've re-written Juliette Pochin on Talk:Juliette Pochin/Temp. Would it possible to move it into article space. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:33, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Done. Another nice job -- and better still was your discussion with the original creator on the talk page. "...Teach a man to fish..." etc. You're a good teacher. Cheers. — CactusWriter | ^needles 16:13, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! In my university teaching days, I once had a student who plagiarsed my own book in her essay. But at least it took some effort, bless her. She typed it out from the hardcopy — must have taken ages. Re "teaching how to fish...", I'm not sure how many new fishermen it produces for Wikipedia. In the Opera Project we get a lot of articles for singers, opera companies, etc. created by their agents and PR people, and sometimes themselves. In my experience, the best I can hope for is that they'll edit their article according to the guidelines in future. I have yet to find one who has ever contributed anything else to Wikipedia. Their only interest in the project is as a PR tool. Having said that, at least it results (after much red-pencilling from other editors) in one new article on a notable subject that we didn't have before. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:05, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for teaching me also, about every singer to opera and avoiding answers.com! I keep supplying singers to the project who never sing opera, last Dorothee Mields. When I found a Bach singer who also sang opera I nominated that fact for DYK, Franz Kelch, to be 95 this year, no PR involved. Unfortunately the only source for him I found in English reads like a machine translation. Any help in that case? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

My god, plagiarizing the prof's own book -- that's sadly funny -- the very definition of clueless. I would suggest she switch majors. I know what you mean about bulk of submissions coming from PR types. (It's one of the reasons I refrain from offering copyright violators much opportunity to license the source website -- the promotional text couldn't be used anyway.) But, occasionally, unexpectedly, when the stars align just so... you'll come across a true angler among the crowd of daytrippers. When is that next blue moon anyway? — CactusWriter | ^needles 19:03, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Assistance Please

Hello Voceditenore. Would you please check my user talk page? Some time ago you were assisting me in the creation of a new page, ".Gabriel". As you requested, I posted my request on that page but haven't heard from you. I understand you are very busy but would really appreciate your help. Thank you!TF537 (talk) 21:35, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Infobox

Please see edit request. In the meantime, you can use put the alt in the image parameter. e.g. |image=[[File:example.png|200px|alt=Example alt text]] Racepacket (talk) 21:55, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

• Image_alt parameter has been added to {{Infobox play}} Racepacket (talk) 22:16, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

• Great! Thanks so much! I'll add it to La Tosca. I used your "get-around" for the book infobox at I Love Bacon!. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:06, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Coming of Age (BBC TV series)

I would question why the BBC are allowed to vandalise the page and put blatant propaganda on there suggesting that the response to the programme was mixed in some way, when in fact it was universally appalling. Every time real and referenced reviews are put up, they are taken down by some BBC apparatchik dickhead. Why are they not censored? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.67.176.103 (talk) 18:06, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with "real and referenced reviews" being taken down. You deliberately inserted false and in several cases defamatory content about living people in multiple articles related to this show, as well adding as your personal commentary disguised to make it look as if it were a quote referenced from a reliable source, e.g. [2], [3], [4], [5]. You are going to get your IP, aka Oxford University, blocked if you keep it up. Voceditenore (talk) 18:50, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Travesti/Victorian burlesque

Tim just did a nice job expanding the Victorian burlesque article. Does anything need to be added back and forth between this and the Travesti article that you are working on? Just a thought. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:28, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

What do you think of the current merge proposal at Burlesque (literature)? I wonder if merging it into the poorly-written Burlesque article will destroy any value (or chance at expansion) that it may have. Your comments would be valued at Talk:Burlesque. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:31, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Hello, V. You may find this article of interest: http://www.jstor.org/pss/3826405 -- Ssilvers (talk) 06:20, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Steve. I'm going to file this away for when I next add to Travesti. I've still got a bit to do re the ballet sections. But I never seem to get the time. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 14:10, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Keto and Kote

Many thanks for re-establishing this article. During copy-edit driving I found the previous version a complete copy-and-paste violation from inception; I was the one who tagged for deletion. I have to say your succinct but elegant stub is superb, and should be set as an example of “how to do it”’. I have a tendency to reduce faulty articles to the brusque and barren, so I will log your Keto and Kote as a guiding light. In admiration. Acabashi (talk) 03:24, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Castrato parts

Hehe :) Moreschi (talk) 17:38, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Above comment is in response to this. Voceditenore (talk) 14:08, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Burlesque

Thanks for watching the dead links. It's a big shame that the PeoplePlayUK site went down, as it had a huge amount of info for Victorian articles. I think that most of the content migrated somewhere, but I'm not sure where. Any idea? All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:03, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Well, the only dead link was PeoplePlayUK. The other 2 were spam/copyvio. Anyhow, the Theatre Museum's contents are now held by the Victoria & Albert. See the V & A's Theatre and Performance collections page. If you search the V & A collections, the online objects generally come with a lot of informative text in addition to the image. See this, for example. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 11:40, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Carmen

I have finished my work on this. The peer review threw up some interesting suggestions, many of which have been absorbed into the article. It is now at FAC (please take a look), and I am working on improving and extending the discography subarticle. I have not done anything with the "adaptations" which were removed from the older version of the article, and it may be a while before I can get to deciding what should be done here. Brianboulton (talk) 18:16, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations on getting it to FA, Brian! I'm going to be away for the next 2 weeks and wouldn't be able to help with an "adaptations" page anyway. One of the advantages of page like that is to keep all sorts of minor (and often very trivial) distractions out of the main article. A popular work like this is particularly prone to that kind of stuff, often added "drive-by" without references or context. But let's see how it goes. There may not be a need for an "adaptations", at least in the near future. By the way, can you get the Carmen Filmography link to work? I can't and have tried multiple times. :/ Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:21, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I will continue improving the discography article as time permits. In due course I'll open a rudimentary "adaptations" article for the purpose you describe; it won't be long before the trivia merchants start tampering with the main article. It went through the FAC process so smoothly and swiftly that I can't help an uneasy feeling that something important got missed. Brianboulton (talk) 15:38, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Smithsonian updates website!

Hi Voceditenore! The Smithsonian Institution Archives took notice of your finding about Clara Hasse's death date and will be updating their records, website and Flickr! The changes should take place tomorrow. So thanks for the great find! Sarah (talk) 14:23, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Excellent. It's nice to see that the traffic between Wikipedia and its sources goes both ways. Last year I got the Encyclopedic Discography of Victor Recordings at UCSB to change a glaring error on their database which found while I was researching Stanislao Gastaldon. In the process, I discovered another and even more whopping error in New Grove Dictionary of Opera which had been propagated all over the internet, but that's Grove's problem. OK, now I'm off to give the Harvard library system a nudge over this. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:32, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Tobias

Apologies if this is in the wrong place (finding out how to contribute to Wikipedia is a very steep learning curve and I've only just learnt Joomla, brain hurting!). Huge thanks for the rewriting and reformatting of the article on Dove's Tobias and the Angel. I'd only just discovered it was there and found it was so incomplete and inaccurate it needed some serious input. Having been in the project from the very beginning I felt I had the authority to write on it, and did post some material from my website - hadn't realised this seems to count as conflict of interest. But it certainly doesn't violate copyright which presumably belongs to me, and I'd like to be able to insert a photo of the Birmingham production, would this be allowed? I'd be very grateful if you had time to help me on this. Kate Quartano Brown (talk) 15:56, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Little favour

A while back I did some work de-fluffing Richard Gombrich. I think it still needs some more, but I have a little learning to the most dangerous degree and can't really see the wood for the trees. I'm pretty sure the structure is still hagiographic. May I ask if you could do a quick brisk hacking back of the undergrowth? Am pretty sure that the list of publications goes way beyond the notable, too. Amuse yourself by reading how it looked five years ago almost-instinct 12:07, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks

I'm grateful for your clear explanation and kind welcome on my first interaction with Wikipedia. The format here is slightly intimidating and I'm wary of breaking taboos or upsetting anyone so your breakdown and reassurance was greatly appreciated. :-)

SonnySonnyWilliamson (talk) 11:27, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Giovanna Gray

DYK gong archived here. Voceditenore (talk) 09:35, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

I just wanted to say, nice job on the Giovanna Gray article. Going to the old, foreign language sources is something not everyone can do, and it makes a big difference. David.thompson.esq (talk) 13:01, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, David. I had a lot fun writing that. Most of the articles I write tend to be of this type, e.g., Cristina, regina di Svezia, Mala Pasqua!, Stanislao Gastaldon, Andrea Salvadori, Eugenia Tadolini. I figure that for the really famous composers, operas, singers, etc. there are plenty of online sources, but for these, the only place people will be able to find detailed information, in English, and free of charge is Wikipedia. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:07, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Image

http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/ggb2004008982/resource/

What do you think of this image, which also covers an opera singer without photo? Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 21:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

It's OK, but I'd never use it for Lillian Grenville. The one of her alone will be much better for that article. It's also a much more arresting image than this rather stilted duo. But this one would be good for Gustave Huberdeau and Natoma (kills 2 birds with one stone for that article). Voceditenore (talk) 17:57, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Here are some more possibilities for articles and future articles with no images:

• http://www.loc.gov/pictures/resource/ggbain.00006/ for Eleonora de Cisneros

• http://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/ggb2004000007/ Josephine Jacoby (Met contralto)

The Bain collection is very badly annotated, I'm just plowing slowly through all the images and clicking on ones that likely to be opera singers. I may find some more...

Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:11, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Any idea which Stephano the Jacoby is? Niklausse is almost certainly Tales of Hoffmann, but I'm not sure off-hand about a Stephano trousers role. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 19:10, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

I assume Roméo et Juliette she sang it many times at the Met at around the time that picture was taken [6], and her career was almost entirely at the Met. Voceditenore (talk) 19:20, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Ah, thought that would've been too high for her, since Wikipedia labels it as a soprano part. If she sang it, though, it's probably that. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 19:58, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

The Met lists her as a mezzo-soprano (rather than contralto), and the role is frequently sung and recorded by mezzos, e.g. Kristine Jepson, Susan Graham, etc. Voceditenore (talk) 10:18, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Rosine Stoltz

Some time ago, you started the article on Rosine Stoltz. There is now a discussion about the date of her death. I wonder if you could consult your original sources and let us know. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:58, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Replied at Talk:Rosine Stoltz. Voceditenore (talk) 13:32, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

IEP

Hi Voce. I see you're still very much on the ball with the IEP issue. Not that 16 months later has anyone in the Foundation really taken a blind bit of notice of what Torey said. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:12, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Notre-Dame de Clignancourt

A most pleasing new article. I'll add the church to my itinerary for a vaguely-planned, Fauré-themed wander round Paris. Don't bother to reply to this: I just wanted to express my appreciation. – Tim riley (talk) 19:50, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Di Fiorino et al.

Ciao Voce. I hope this finds you well. Our paths once again cross in Mario Di Fiorino, and I notice your work in Gruppo del Rosario. There is a connection between Bridging Eastern & Western Psychiatry, the closely connected, newly created bios Maria Luisa Figueira and Mario Di Fiorino, as well as edits made by the same users in e.g. Davide Lazzeretti, Leonetto Amadei, Ganser syndrome, and Mind control. I reverted in Leonetto Amadei, and left a note on the editor's page, and subsequently tried to add info from the .it article Leonetto Amadei. (It appears that the Italian Leonette Amadei has had additions similar to the ones made to the English.) The English version has had the same material re-added. I restored an older version of Davide Lazzeretti. I have raised attention about this pattern (WP:COATRACK?) on WikiProject Medicine and WikiProject Psycholog, alas, not to much avail. Maybe it is something you would like to look into? Best, Sam Sailor ^Sing 21:05, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Sam, hmmm, yes, I've noticed this interesting little can of worms. On the Italian WP, some of their stuff has been deleted outright, e.g. Mario di Fiorino, Bridging Eastern & Western Psychiatry and Psichiatria e Territorio (also founded by Di Fiorino) or reverted in existing articles, e.g. Leonetto Amadei, Davide Lazzeretti. Often, however, a "new" editor pops up to re-add the stuff, as happens here. The editors also use the same arguments they use here: "It's in the Italian/English Wikipedia so it's ok".

Several of the SPAs active here have been blocked for sockpuppetry at the Italian WP [7], [8], [9]. I'm not sure if they're sock or meat puppets, but without getting into outing, Google searches on their user names reveal that all are from the Pisa/Forte dei Marmi/Viareggio area. A couple are students of Di Fiorino or his colleagues, one works for a hotel in Forte dei Marmi and helps organize functions for Di Fiorino's symposia, two have co-authored articles with Di Fiorino, one appears to be Di Fiorino himself, etc. etc. I would say that just about every red-linked contributor since August to the articles you've cited is in some way connected to Di Fiorino and all their contributions here need checking. Some of them have extensively edited psychology/psychiatry articles in addition to the ones you've mentioned. Note also this sandbox. There's obviously more to come.

Anyhow, here's my take on some of the articles:

• Maria Luisa Figueira passes, seems reasonably notable.
• Mario Di Fiorino probably just scrapes but I'm going to wield the red pencil extensively there.
• I'm going to stub Bridging Eastern & Western Psychiatry and probably redirect it later to Di Fiorino
• Suggest we keep a watch on Leonetto Amadei, clearly being used as a coatrack and needs excising and building up. He's definitely notable.
• Ditto Davide Lazzeretti.

If we meet resistance from the "consortium" of Tuscan editors, then we take 'em to WP:COI/N. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 22:24, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Beautiful to see the logic you apply when investigating, I learned a lot. Thanks! Best, Sam Sailor ^Sing 00:04, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Want me to do {{cite books}} in the Publications section of Mario Di Fiorino? Best, Sam Sailor ^Sing 09:36, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Dauvergne

Hi. I was planning to create more than just stubs for those operas, but I've been too busy/off it recently. I do have the Rousset recording of Hercule mourant, so I'll try to improve that particular article over the next few weeks. Next year I might even be able to get my hands on Dratwicki's full-length biography of Dauvergne (extracts are accessible at Google Books). Cheers. --Folantin (talk) 09:34, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

I think it's brilliant that you've created these (stubs or not), thanks so much! I managed to find an illustration for Hercule mourant. I'll see what I can do for Canente and Polixène, if nothing else the title pages of the scores à la Énée et Lavinie. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:05, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Hey, thanks - and thanks for the nice image. Have you seen Livrets baroques? They have libretti for all four of these Dauvergne tragedies. Some of those pages contain images of the original costume designs, so they must have got them from somewhere. Also, I'm tempted to create a few other Dauvergne stubs, although it will break with my plan to focus on tragic French opera for the time being. Dauvergne's comédie-ballet La vénitienne was also recorded recently, but I don't have the discs. --Folantin (talk) 10:22, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

(By "some of them", I really mean Canente [10]. Can't see much for the others). --Folantin (talk) 10:29, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Sylvia Shwartz

I looked at the edit dated 20th Feb, and it was essentially the same as the Amazon review, so no copyright infringement. I'm unconvinced that it is ready for submission yet, given the generally hagiographic tone, eg She is the latest of her family to achieve international renown. followed by sections of her family's achievement (notability is not inheritable, so no real point to this), Miss Schartz instead of just the surname, "Career highlights" rather than "Career". Shall I recreate in Lisaby's sandbox? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:28, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Jim, I answered over at the AfC Help Desk where I suggested moving to User:Lisaby/Sylvia Schwartz (a previous redirect to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Sylvia Schwartz). It sounds like it needs a good going over for style and tone as well as referencing and I'll try to help the editor with it before they submit it again. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:23, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Caldara +

Thank you for the Caldara opera, here's another: La concordia de' pianeti [11], --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:25, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Gerda. You're welcome :). I've added quite a bit more to it now. Apparently, Tito e Berenice was part of contest! I might do La concordia once the German performance actually takes place. In the meantime, I'll be working on creating the other two Operas of the Month, by papa Scarlatti and his son. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 19:07, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. After I closed my shop completely (see my talk, - I kept the ironing lady) I suddenly feel very busy with a man whose boss is the pope and a painter stub, not mentioning the GA nom for Chéreau. Did you see that I mention singing as occupation in my own (bzzt, unspeakable)? (Derived from "Singen, singen" in the Christmas Story by Schütz). In choir, we will concentrate on Schütz and Rutter, Magnificat by both, I hope I will get in the mood until July / October / November. Certainly not if we keep losing a great editor every week, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:31, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

*taps microphone*

Is it safe to come back....? almost-instinct 15:48, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Yep :) Great to see you, A-I! I miss those happy hours we spent de-pufferizing articles. I had to whack this one all by myself. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:56, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Mmmm maybe not so safe after all.... almost-instinct 13:43, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Ah, you mean below? I think you'll be OK . I only mention it if I'm specifically asked. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:09, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

It's not you I'm worried about ;) almost-instinct 11:19, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Anna Schoen-René

Hi voceditenore. I just read some interesting articles on this lady and thought you might enjoy penning an article on her. Here are some potential sources:

• http://www.nycommunitytrust.org/Portals/0/Uploads/Documents/BioBrochures/Mme.%20Anna%20E.%20Schoen-Rene.pdf
• http://books.google.com/books?id=oLAMtq6dtFkC&pg=PA21&dq=%27von+schoen%27+%22agriculture%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=qU8NU6W3OaLiyAG2koCoCw&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q='von%20schoen'%20%22agriculture%22&f=false
• http://collections.mnhs.org/MNHistoryMagazine/articles/48/v48i08p332-338.pdf

Best wishes.4meter4 (talk) 02:37, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Wow! She sounds like quite a character, 4meter4. I'm sort of up to my eyeballs at the moment, but I'll keep this here to remind me to get 'round to it eventually, if someone else doesn't first. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:44, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Sharon Ruchman

Thanks for your recent cleanup/removing promotional/un-encyclopedic information from Sharon Ruchman. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:27, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi David. I'm away until the end of April, but I'm rather minded to PROD it or take it to AfD. But I'll need to do a little research first. I had a look at the talk page of the reviewer who had accepted it. Dear Oh Dear. :) Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:05, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

ROH edits

Hi Voce, re-reading my contribution to the WP+ROH thread, I was (post the event) struck by how much you had avoided naming the involved parties, and how much I had worked in a diametrically-opposed way to link everybody, to draw their attention to the thread. I don't think that professional involvement, per se, is necessarily bad for WP, but only if it's a order of magnitude better than the contributions of Edwardx. Some kind of response seems advisable, but I don't know whether involving Edwardx, or relying on Tim riley/Andrew Grey, or talking to the ROH/ Rob Grieg is the best way forward. Scarabocchio (talk) 16:03, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi Scarabocchio. I've commented further at the OP. I think maybe just keep an eye on the situation for now via User:AlexNewArtBot/OperaSearchResult and see if it happens again before raising a brouhaha. One of the reasons I kept it fairly low-key is that I'm about to be away for three weeks and won't be able to follow through with discussions etc. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:47, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission

(Previous AfC draft advice is archived here)

• Draft:Cameo Classics

Hi FoCuS. After the recent decline, I had a look and added a couple of references (reviews of 2 of the albums they produced) but I still don't think it's enough. There may be more out there (probably requiring library work), but the creators are going to have to find it. It's not a sufficiently important label for me to spend time on it. It is mentioned in multiple WP articles [12], but it's hard to tell if that was just advance legwork from other COI editors. None of the mentions are referenced. Note that the creator of this draft has the same name as Cameo's distributor (Wyastone Estate) and has been very busy getting the Wyastone name into multiple articles [13], although sometimes reverted [14]. Voceditenore (talk) 06:38, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

• Draft:Subhen Chatterjee. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 14:28, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi FoCuS. I've vastly truncated this and rewritten with references. It was a blatant copyvio from here, hence the wildly unsuitable tone. My view is that with the new references, this probably does pass WP:MUSICBIO criteria 5 and 8. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:23, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

• Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The Burbank Chorale / The Burbank Chorale Club. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 14:02, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
• Draft:Manda AnanthaKrishna
• Draft:William Haskell Levine. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 16:46, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
• Draft:Leo Rowlands. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 19:12, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
• Draft:Jan Williams. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 01:02, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
• Draft:Howland Chamber Music Circle
• Draft:Hélène Breschand
• Draft:Kitty O'Neil (dancer)
• Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Amihai Grosz
• Draft:Bill Clifton (pianist). FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 14:40, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
• Draft:Fabio Furia. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 18:45, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
• Draft:Gerald Cohen. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 13:07, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
• Draft:Dr. Arawind (Arvind) Thatte. Is there anything worth saving here, beyond the obvious puffery? FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 21:23, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi FoCuS. UGH! Needs to be cut to 4 sentences—literally. He is mentioned in a few sources in India but only concert announcements basically and in one review of a performance by an artist whom he accompanied. He's also appeared as the accompanist on several recordings, but I'm not sure how notable they are, and frankly don't care enough to find out. Maybe ask at WikiProject India? This is quite different from Draft:Subhen Chatterjee, which I think you should move to article space. See my comments above. I'll try to get to the rest of the folks above sometime next week. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:13, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi FoCuS. I haven't forgotten about you. I've just been horribly busy. I'm leaving for Italy, away for a month. I'll take at look at these when I get back. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 19:15, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Alea III

Dear Voceditenore: I found an old draft about this organization, and looked up some references before realizing that it was a copy-paste remnant. I deleted the draft, but are any of these useful in improving the mainspace article? —Anne Delong (talk) 15:52, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

• http://greece.greekreporter.com/2011/07/16/greek-composer-in-final-6-of-the-%C2%AB2011-alea-iii-international-composition-competition%C2%BB/
• http://azerbaijanamericaalliance.org/news/azerbaijani-composer-qualifies-for-alea-iii-competition-final-in-us
• http://www.ecu.edu/cs-admin/news/poe/1005/horst.cfm
• Music at Michigan. UM Libraries. 1979. pp. 20–. UOM:39015009459036.
• Chime: Newsletter of the European Foundation for Chinese Music Research. European Foundation for Chinese Music Research. 1993.
• Pan Pipes of Sigma Alpha Iota Quarterly. Wayside Press. 1980.
• Charles Christopher Mark's Arts Reporting Service. Arts Reporting Service. 1987.
• The Instrumentalist. Instrumentalist Co. 1988.
• Journal of the American Viola Society. American Viola Society. 1985.

Pauline (chamber opera)

Dear Voce: NOT KNOWING how to leave a message for you in any other way, please forgive this intrusion, and please accept these thanks. MANY thanks. I just read your new essay about our new chamber opera, PAULINE. Just excellent. We appreciate the time and trouble you clearly took. Best,

Charles Barber CITY OPERA VANCOUVER info@cityoperavancouver.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.5.121.207 (talk) 20:04, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Maxim Rysanov

Dear Voceditenore: I notice that you started to work on this article a few months ago. Are you planning to continue with it? —Anne Delong (talk) 10:04, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Anne. I'm in Italy for the next month with poor internet access, so can't work on it 'til I get back, but it's worth keeping and getting into shape. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:07, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Anne. Me again. I see it's now in article space, thanks to your hard work. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:15, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

another one for when you get back

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Hakon Jarl . DGG ( talk ) 04:08, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi DGG. Done! See Hakon Jarl (Smetana). Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:42, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

David Ward

Hi,

Would you like to have a crack at expanding David Ward (singer) when you get back from your travels? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:07, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Benjamin Wey

Fyi, I have opened up a sockpuppet case concerning some of the editors who have been active in this article. You may want to look monitor it or add to it, as I am only sporadically onwiki. Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Lyndasim Figureofnine (talk • contribs) 20:54, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Just saw this, thanks. Deb (talk) 09:39, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Mentioned your name

Hi! I've twice mentioned your name (as Echo should already have told you?) in regard to User: InfoDataMonger: once at WP:CCI, where I've made a request, and once at WP:ANI, where I have requested a block for that user until this is sorted out. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:23, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Justlettersandnumbers. I've now commented in both places. I did get the "Echoes", but was in the middle of writing another article. I must say that the editor's behaviour is very disappointing... Sigh. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:09, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for José Carlos Cocarelli

DYK archived here. Voceditenore (talk) 09:10, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, I remember with pleasure the treasures you found to tell his story, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:40, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Gerda, you're welcome :). I'm a little disappointed though—the most utterly boring of the 3 suggested hooks was used. But never mind. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:10, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

I agree, but try to avoid conflict ;) - In this case, I was was not prepared, woke up to it already on the Main page for the longest of its time. I didn't watch the queue enough or it was inserted last minute. (Just now, two hooks were added to the set to appear next, with a church where I performed, pictured.) Otherwise I don't hesitate to change prep myself, especially if a reviewer's wish was also ignored. Sometimes I address "improvements" ;) - Completely different topic: Ich gehe nicht schnell, I slowly reach the point to join project opera again. What would you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:56, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Requesting copy of deleted article

Hello, Voceditenore,
I have a favor to ask, and I'm contacting you because you were one of the first kind editors to help me when I started a few months ago. (No good deed goes unpunished, right?) So, would you be willing/able to send me a copy of a deleted article? Here are the particulars:

12:01, 27 July 2014 Randykitty (talk | contribs) deleted page Geist (company) (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion)

The article had been approved through the AfC process, and I did some copy-editing after a request had been posted on the Wikiproject Companies request site. I was just surprised to learn it had been speedy deleted, and would like to understand what I missed in terms of tone and promotional content. Thanks for considering this request.
Cheers! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 06:32, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Grand'mere Eugene. I do indeed remember you from Jacob Nist. Thank you for your kind words and I'm glad to see you're still with us! Unfortunately, I can't help with the deleted article as I'm not an administrator and can't see deleted articles. Perhaps contact User:DGG?. He is the administrator who nominated it for speedy deletion. You could also make a request at Wikipedia:REFUND for the article to be emailed to you (if you have email enabled) or userfied (copied to your user space for you to work on). Although it had been approved by AfC, sometimes inappropriate articles do slip through especially during backlog drives there. Another note of caution... it may be waste of your time. If reliable independent published sources (not press releases or pieces based on them) cannot be found which clearly show that the company passes the criteria at WP:ORG, it could well be nominated for deletion on grounds of non-notability. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:58, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Voceditenore. I will contact User:DGG to request a copy. The original editor of the article had asserted the company had won several awards, which I thought were important to the claim of notability, and I left a note for the AfC reviewer, here. But my motive in requesting the article is not necessarily resurrection — I just would like to improve my radar for promotional content and tone because I have elected to work with Wikiproject Companies. As you know, after notability, NPOV is one of the biggest challenges in articles about companies. Thanks again for your help. Cheers! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 17:20, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia! Logical Cowboy (talk) 06:39, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you, Logical Cowboy. Re Robert Lyn Nelson... Alas, although it deeply pained me, I've now opined a weak keep at the AfD. Unfortunately I was away all of August when the creator's name was added to Sockpuppet investigations/Newzealand123. Otherwise, I would have added this evidence. A deafening quacker and clearly a member of the sock farm, but he/she remains unblocked. Probably a throw-away account, though. Anyhow, if the article is kept, I'll keep an eagle eye on it. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:36, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Talk:India Against Corruption

Thanks for your extremely patient handling of the issue you posted at Talk:India Against Corruption! Johnuniq (talk) 07:55, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

An invitation to join WikiProject Women writers

Hello Voceditenore! We are looking for editors to join WikiProject Women writers, an outreach effort which aims at improving articles about women writers on Wikipedia. We thought you might be interested, and hope that you will join us. Thank you!

--Rosiestep (talk) 16:02, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

IAC logo

I've no idea who instigated the deletion but thanks for this. I've always had doubts about that logo but there was a lot of edit warring over it before my time, as there was also about a myriad of supposedly official websites. - Sitush (talk) 11:44, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

[15] 186.91.186.250 (talk) 15:38, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

• Hi Sitush. It was deleted from Commons by Philippe (WMF) per a DMCA takedown notice. I've let Philippe know that there's still a duplicate file on English Wikipedia at File:India Against Corruption.png. I see it's the logo for the organization that now claims (with no proof apart from their own assertions) to be the "real" IAC—not the IAC which is the subject of the article. As you can see from the above, the blocked editors are still evading their block. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 15:53, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

• It was the clash of claimed organisations that took me to the article in the first place, and they were even clashing on who owned what website and what logo as I mentioned above. The block evader(s) will still be at it in a year's time, and they'll still not have got anywhere unless they can prove notability for their NGO, in which case we would have India Against Corruption (NGO) and India Against Corruption (popular movement), or something like that. I'm sorry that you have been dragged into this: I've got a very thick skin but that doesn't mean everyone else has. - 15:58, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

• Don't worry, Sitush, I have no intention of getting involved in that nightmare suite of articles. I was only at the IAC one to deal with the copyright problem (or rather non-problem). I must say, the last sock was something else. Claiming to be an "intellectual property agent" yet had zero clue about copyright. They still don't as you can see from their comments on Philippe's page. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 16:17, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

• Really? I can't see anything on Philippe's en-WP or meta talk pages. But they were obviously not particularly au fait at the time; indeed, way less au fait even than me. - Sitush (talk) 17:18, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

• Sitush, the comment was on Philippe's Commons talk page here. I'm sure you'll recognize the signatory. See also the original DMCA notice here I find the assertions in the DMCA notice extremely dubious, but we're much better off without that image anyway. If you need a new image for the IAC article you could use this genuine free image File:IAC-pune-protesters3.jpg from April 2011. The banner in the crowd shows the logo flanked by large portraits of Anna Hazare and Ravi Shankar. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 17:37, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

• Wow, just wow. I thought that person was supposed to be German but the DMCA is obviously Indian English. I'm not fussed about logos or even images generally. Most of them seem superfluous to me, although File:Sikh pilgrim at the Golden Temple (Harmandir Sahib) in Amritsar, India.jpg is one of my favourite photos of all time, so I'm not a complete philistine. If someone else wants to add an alternate logo there then they can. - Sitush (talk) 17:49, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

• Yep. it's blindingly obvious that he's not German. Ditto the hastily assembled website for his alleged company on a domain registered on September 13th by ...er... the convenor of the group claiming to be the IAC who've been socking all over WP. Their lack of clue is astounding. The temple picture is beautiful. You have very good taste, Sitush. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:05, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

HighBeam Search

Is there a way for Wikipedia editors to obtain access to this (or other) search engines? This service would be very helpful for providing sources for articles that need them. Yamaguchi先生 15:04, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi User:Yamaguchi. You can apply for a free one-year subscription to HighBeam through Wikipedia. Just go Wikipedia:HighBeam which has details about the requirements and a place to sign up. HighBeam isn't just a search engine, it contains full copies of articles and reference book entries. It's very useful. Wikipedia:TWL/Journals has the full list of journals and subscription archives for which free access is available through Wikipedia. There may be some others there that you'd also find useful. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 15:27, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! I will request to be subscribed. Yamaguchi先生 16:03, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Review of new article

Hi, I've created a new article, except that this time I've achieved as much in four days as I did in six weeks. Also, I have chosen a subject for which it is much easier to prove notability. When I created the page it seemed to go immediately into article space, so I'm hoping to avoid the AfC route. Would you have time to review Northern Lights (song), please, and give me the benefit of your opinion on it? Hopefully, there aren't any silly mistakes like disambiguations this time. In particular, could you check the way I am loading the images, please? Do I need to do more to create a fair use rationale? Thankyou. CaesarsPalaceDude (talk) 14:11, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Forgery of IAC logo

This [16] image on Wikipedia you proffered for Anna Hazare using IAC name contains an obvious forgery of IAC logo. As the copyright clerk please immediately arrange to get this image entirely deleted from Wikipedia. You can look at the order how the red and black "humans" stack up in overlap. Duffycharles (talk) 08:08, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

That image is held on Wikimedia Commons. The English Wikipedia has no jurisdiction there. If you believe the image is a hoax, you will need to raise the matter there. I'd suggest commons:Commons:Village pump. Voceditenore (talk) 08:50, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Boy, is my face red... Thank you for doing a bang-up job on improving Herbert Gintis; it's looking excellent now. Editors like you are what keeps this place running. (You'll note I've withdrawn my deletion nomination - like an idiot I'd googled Harold Gintis and been less than impressed with the results...) Yunshui 雲水 12:46, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

• Hi Yunshui. Thank you so much for your kind words! Don't worry about the "Harold", I've done the same thing many times. Besides, all's well that ends well. I doubt if that article would ever have been improved without the AfD. I'd never heard of him before the AfD, although what I know about economics you could literally fit on the head of pin. I've pretty much finished with the article for now. I fear part of the problem in the past was the "ministrations" of this editor dating back to 2009. He nipped in again last night to mess up the infobox— trying to turn it into a mini-bibliography (as opposed to the massive one he had previously added and which I had drastically pruned). I'm kind of hoping he gets the hint from my edit summaries [17], [18], without me having to ask him to read... er... this. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:11, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

You've done a fantastic job. I've got the article watchlisted now, so if Prof Gintis feels the need to pad out his accomplishments again, I shall have a quiet word. Yunshui ^雲_水 12:32, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I suspect it doesn't have a lot of watchers. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:48, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Have a barnstar

Greetings Voceditenore. This is the "yours is the most perfect AFD contribution I'd ever seen barnstar" ★ Very nicely done!—John Cline (talk) 15:43, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, John! I pretty much always try to give detailed rationales, especially for delete !votes. Alas though, the better crafted they are, the more often they prompt increasingly desperate tactics. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Maldoror2. I'm not so sure this is a paid editor. In my experience, the level of desperation on display is generally a characteristic of editors with a close personal connection to the subject. Voceditenore (talk) 09:57, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

IAC

See my ANI report. This self-proclaimed paid editor claims immunity from our policies. Dougweller (talk) 12:50, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Really, you're too good to us!

Thank you, dear VdiT, for your kind offer of assistance. We accept. Going online tonight, hoping to solicit your counsel, I had no idea that you'd have beat me to the punch! My students and I appreciate your interest and your help. Happy autumn! Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 22:23, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Maldoror

Another sockpuppet of Maldoror's popped up on the AfD page. It contained possible personal information, including your name and place of work. I have hidden the edit and sent an email to Oversight to have the edit totally expunged. Bgwhite (talk) 08:00, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Bg. I've emailed oversight as well. Even though none of the "information" about me was correct, he had also mentioned several other BLPs. At least we only have to endure the AfD for another day or so {{{Sigh}}}. The SPI will no doubt lumber on much longer. There's a terrible backlog there. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 10:11, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

They initially started going after me because I was the one slapping on the AfD tags. So, on the bright side, I don't have to enjoy the fun you have been "enjoying".  :) Bgwhite (talk) 17:45, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

If the moron gives you any trouble, let me know and I'll block them. I have a feeling the idiot won't leave quietly and a block first, ask questions later approach is probably best. Bgwhite (talk) 07:12, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Bg. I too have a feeling that he won't leave quietly. In my experience at AfD (over 300 now), that level of desperation and vindictiveness is generally a characteristic of someone with a very close personal connection to the subject. It's happened several times before. I don't buy his original claim that he is a paid editor working for the publisher to create "vanity pages" (as he called them). PR people, paid editors, and even hapless company interns never talk like that. They may make a single stab at arguing for a "keep" at an AfD, but if it doesn't work out, they just cut their losses and move on to the next job. After all, time is money. :) Voceditenore (talk) 07:33, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 8

See Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library/Newsletter/August-September2014. – Voceditenore (talk) 07:36, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Notability

Hello Voce! Hope this finds you well. I've been on a Wikipedia hiatus of late, but have created a few articles on lesser known individuals. Do you reckon Ivo Varbanov, the pianist, is notable? He has scant coverage...although he did receive a few awards in his native Bulgaria. I look forward to your opinions. Regards, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 16:05, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

While you're at it, what do you think of Fiammetta Tarli? FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 01:54, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi FoCuS! I was wondering what happened to you . I think he's notable enough. Have you seen this interview and program on Radio Bulgaria? I've also got access to reviews of three of his London concerts + one recording via HighBeam Research. Let me know if you need them. Personally, I'd not start a separate article on his wife at this point. Voceditenore (talk) 08:53, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Voce! I'd appreaciate those, yes. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 15:54, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

And any other references, for that matter! FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 10:51, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict)I've started a draft on my sandbox, if you care to give it a glance . FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 11:19, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi FoCuS! I've done a bit of tweaking there and added the refs I mentioned. If you want copies of the full articles, just email me, and I'll send them to you. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 13:45, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you once again! FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 16:48, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

'Gossip blogs' edits

Hello, I just noticed your one edit last year to Grashazk's one of many additions of Lebrecht to wikipedia articles, to remove that edit. Just wanted to express my support for your sentiment. Not to put too fine a point on it, Grashazk is an idiot who cites Lebrecht, and only Lebrecht, in his (I assume it's a he) edits on wikipedia, which is not proper practice, but that person is clearly incapable of learning about primary sources. Rant over. Thanks again, DJRafe (talk) 23:41, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi DJRafe. Sometimes rants can good for the soul (although calling other editors "idiots" isn't recommended). I guess you're referring to this? I've also done the same here, here, and here. Someone else beat me to reverting this piece of nonsense. I never noticed that it was always the same editor. If I were a cynic, I'd say that it rather smacks of SEO. But whatever the reason, edits using that blog as the sole reference are always inappropriate. There are still a lot of articles using Lebrecht's blog as a reference. See this list. I'm not sure if they were all placed by the same editor, but they all need review. Lebrecht's "scoops" are often wrong. When they're correct, he simply got them from a newspaper which should be used as the reference instead. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:47, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Acknowledgement

Tx for the excellent wording, which I shamelessly copied --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:02, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Rita Shane

Hey voceditenore. Hope you are well. Michael Bednarek has been making some odd reversions to this article; including removing a nyt obituary for the subject. Anyway, I have added another supporting ref as well as re-adding the nyt obit for the material in question. I am not on here much any more, so I'd appreciate you keeping an eye on this article and doing as you see fit. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:33, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up

Thanks, VdiT, for your heads-up. Computer issues kept me signed out, and I only saw your message today. I'm passing it along. Hope you're well. Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 02:24, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

Hey, thanks. Some of the articles on Gluck's major operas need more work, but I'm probably not going to touch them until next year. I thought I'd produce a bunch of stubs on the Baroque and minor Classical works then add to them bit by bit. I noticed you discovered the Gluck Gesamtausgabe online, a very useful find. Some of the information is very interesting. For example, I don't think there can be many operas where the entire cast was made up of archduchesses and the work was conducted by a future emperor.

BTW I think La danza (Gluck) is beyond start-class, at least C. There's not much you can really say about an opera Julian Rushton dismisses as "a slight work". The Penguin Guide to Opera on CD doesn't even bother trying to give synopsis, saying there is "no plot or development whatsoever." Having read the libretto, I can sympathise with that! Cheers.--Folantin (talk) 10:32, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Article on Leela Bordia

Hi

I have made some further inputs to the said Article on Leela Bordia. Please have a look at it and give me your suggestions on whether i am on the right path and plz guide regarding corrections if any, since i am just a beginner.

Regards

The iWriter ```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by The iWriter (talk • contribs) 12:51, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello, The iWriter. I assume you mean the draft User:The iWriter/sandbox? I'll have a look at it later today or tomorrow. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 13:06, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello Voceditenore

Yes plz and thanks

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Re:MacCreator's mis-deeds

Voceditenore, Namaskar; I am to draw your kind attention to my two pending AFC submissions – Draft:Abhutaparikalpa and Draft:Karakamsa which were declined by Param Mudgal on 30th Oct 2014 and which I had resubmitted on 31st Oct.2014. I have just now warned that both these articles already exist, on checkup I found MacCreator has today i.e. on 1st Nov 2014 stolen and copied these materials and then directly created in his own name these pages – Abhutaparikalpa and Karakamsa by over-ruling AFC process and deprived me the rightful credit. He has also informed Param Mudgal about this misdeed of his. I have seen your warning on the talk page of MacCreator which warning has gone unheeded. Kindly do the required needful at the earlist instance. Thanks. Regards. Aditya soni (talk) 11:56, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi Aditya soni. I can't really do the needful, as it needs an administrator to delete the articles or do a history merge. That's why I took it to ANI. let's hope it gets straightened out soon. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:11, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

I am here to thank you for saving all the drafts that are pending consideration and had been mis-used by MacCreator.Aditya soni (talk) 02:45, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Aditya soni. I found that mess purely by accident. The administrators did all the work cleaning it up. You've probably seen that the miscreant has now been blocked as a sock. It doesn't surprise me. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 09:16, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Arunachal Pradesh Public Service Commission

I'm not convinced this article should even exist. It starts with a statement about the commission's function which only mentions part of its role, it's got a minor controversy that doesn't seem to belong, it lists too many officers, and doesn't even show notability. I guess we could stub it. Any suggetions? Dougweller (talk) 11:38, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi Doug. I was just concerned to get the copyvio out. But I agree with you about the article. Its notability is pretty marginal. I think stubbing for now to the bare facts, and removing all the names apart would be the way to go. Ditto the image of the chairman. I may have to open a CCI for the creator, User:Donyi Taga, if they've created any more articles. See also this incident yesterday involving one of his socks. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:08, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Done. And rev/deleted the copyvio. Dougweller (talk) 16:34, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for visiting our pages

Dear VdiT, Thanks for visiting the pages of both the Longy and Berklee classes. The students and I appreciated the care and concern that you have already shown us this autumn. Hoping you're well, Yours, Ijmusic (talk) 02:57, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Amleto

Would you mind taking a look at my comments on this article's talk page and add to them as you see it? Thanks in advance and best wishes, Viva-Verdi (talk) 13:31, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

	The Sniffer Barnstar
	For some extraordinary investigation and deduction. This has been a real "two pipe problem" and not at all elementary. Thank you so much. - Sitush (talk) 02:35, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi Sitush. I've just sent you the latest installment of The Hound of the Baskervilles .

Best Voceditenore (talk) 11:17, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Re. infobox wider discussion preparation

1. Invitation at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Infoboxes posted: [19] — tx for the suggestion, I missed that. See full list of where the invitations have been posted at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement/Infobox#Invitations posted
2. Re. where question for the preparation: I think it important to have those very involved in infoboxes (and the arbcom case) on board from the start. In fact they should have started this already, and I still think they should do the bulk of the work. I'm not interested in infoboxes. Not in the least. Why should I do the work? I see my role primarily as keeping an eye on Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement/Infobox staying out of ghetto waters (which is a stumble-block for remedy six enactment). --Francis Schonken (talk) 19:00, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello!

Hello Voceditenore,

I hope I am using your talk page correctly-- I am just getting started and this is the first post I am writing on wikipedia. Thank you for your warm welcome to the community and the resources you've sent my way. I really appreciate it and may be in touch to ask questions!

Best, Keacord (talk) 23:16, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi Keacord! You did fine. Ask away, whenever you need to. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:38, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Any Ideas?

Hello! Thank you for all you do. I need to write an article based around classical music. Something, someone, somewhere, some time, that needs a wiki article. Any ideas? Snaudrey (talk) 03:08, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi Snaudrey! I've moved your message here to the bottom of the page—the wiki way. :-) Will visit your talk page later today with some ideas. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 07:38, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Any ideas?

Hello! thank you for all you do! I need to write a wiki article which revolves around classical music. Someone, something, somewhere, or some time, that needs a page. Any ideas? Snaudrey (talk) 06:11, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

great list!

thank you so much for that list. I had an idea going through it, and I wanted to run it past you and see what you think. What if I did my article on you. Not specifically who you are, but what you do, since when, why, maybe a bit of background, you deserve a page! what do you think? Snaudrey (talk) 07:00, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Yikes, Snaudrey! I'm not even a notable Wikipedian, let alone a notable person in real life. So no, that is totally not feasible . Have you thought about doing a biography of Georges Longy? I think it's awful that his name is still red-linked. I'll leave you some sources on your talk page in case you're interested in pursuing that. If not, you can share them with any of your classmates who might be interested. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 12:36, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Arbcom

Hi, I was greatly interest in your comment here as I have had occasion to wade through lengthy arbcom proceedings before and found your comments stood out and were worth pondering. As I indicated on the case page I am not feeling well at the moment and am unable to discuss this at length right now, but I found your link quite interesting. Would you mind posting it at the GenderGap project page? I think it's something they should look over. Also I was quite taken aback by your accusation that I am "using insinuation, personal aspersion, and snide remarks as weapons"...can you tell me what that was about? Regards, —Neotarf (talk) 00:21, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi Neotarf. Are you talking about the link to Amanda Menking's project? It's an interesting one. I was one of the 30 interviewees in the first stage of her research. She followed it up with a shorter structured survey aiming at a broader base of respondents. I see that she posted a link to the survey and an overview of her research project at the GGTF three weeks ago inviting members to participate [20]. As to your second question, I think my point of view and my reasons for it are self-explanatory if you do a close reading the ArbCom workshop and talk pages. My comment here pretty much sums it up. Voceditenore (talk) 18:23, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Okay thanks, I haven't really been paying much attention to it lately, but I will try to find the diffs for you later. This is new territory for me, trying to find a polite but accurate way to describe the "locker room brawl" atmosphere that is running wild here without making things even more disgusting than they are already. I'm not a member of the gender group, and I don't want to be, so maybe it's a mistake for me even to have tried to sort things out for them, since I don't really have any background for it, but I thought that maybe an uninvolved person might be able to calm things down. Also I have had some people contact me who want to remain anonymous, but are intimated about coming forward, because they fear either sexual harassment on line, or repercussions in real life, so I felt some obligation about that, to give them a voice. —Neotarf (talk) 02:51, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Okay, here are some diffs, and some conversations I find have a high "creep content".

• ([talking about Eric Corbett) If you look at his "disruption" edits versus "productive" edits, his "dick ratio", so to speak, he probably has us all shamed. I rather like that "dick ratio" concept, someone should pen an essay.

This is troubling on several levels. First is the use of genitalia-based descriptions. The assumption is that there is something intrinsically male about being rude. There is also a visual image of a male admin shoving his genitals to the forefront of the conversation, as a show of power, the way a cop might flaunt a gun. This attitude also smacks of "edits are more important than people". Is the project really of such an over-riding priority that it justifies doing dirt to real people, and creating an unpleasant work atmosphere for others who are volunteering their time to help the Project? And finally there is the image of a bunch of male editors standing around yucking it up over their crotches, "I like that notion of a dick ratio, made me laugh anyway." and "yeah...the dick ratio comment made me laugh as well." What does this say to new users, and how does it help build an encyclopedia?

I actually followed Mr. Corbett's' edits for a day, to see what the "content creator" fuss was about, and I saw him make a dozen or so routine "content edits", fixing punctuation, commas, and the like, for every talk page comment he made. The edits were accurate and competent, not like some people you see who just rephrase stuff, making it worse, just to increase their edit count.

Here are a couple more snippets, you should be able to find them by going to this diff and using the search function:

Corbett: I'm also reminded that you've yet to correct your obvious typo. What you meant to say was that I have a dick of porn star proportions. Lara: Nope. Not what I meant. I have not seen your bits, Eric. And despite years of grand effort, you have not seen mine either.

This is an admin talking: It does prove that we can all be dickish at times, to varying degrees, myself included.

I don't see any one of these edits as a problem in itself, and taken as a whole, it is a troubling comment on the direction of the emerging culture of the Project, especially since, once this type of language is worked out on the talk pages, it is then migrated to the drama boards.

So how do you describe this phenomenon in a sound bite, which you must most certainly do if you want to get your point across in a venue with a high signal-to-noise ratio? —Neotarf (talk) 17:38, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Neotarf, there's no need to re-argue the Arbcom case on my page. I am thoroughly familiar with all the material you have quoted. I never comment there unless I am thoroughly familiar with what I am commenting on and the context in which it occurred. And no, "locker room brawl" is not appropriate either. Nor is any other negative characterisation based solely on the gender of the participants. Framing this as "them and us", "men against women" is a very counterproductive and poor way of communicating with people. Ditto descending to the level of those you are criticising. Ditto using preconceived sound bites and interacting with others based on them. In fact, I find that kind communication style to have the highest ratio of signal to noise of them all. Voceditenore (talk) 18:21, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

If you really don't have a problem with "If you look at Corbett's "disruption" edits versus "productive" edits, his "dick ratio", so to speak, he probably has us all shamed. I rather like that "dick ratio" concept., you are welcome to your opinion. But it does not justify you accusing me of "extensive use of insinuation, personal aspersion, and snide remarks". I trust you will be willing to redact your statement. —Neotarf (talk) 18:36, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

No, I'm not willing to redact my statement. It is based on my reading of the evidence page as well as that of at least one arbitrator. If you don't want that to be a potential finding of fact, I suggest you take it up with the drafting Arbitrators. Voceditenore (talk) 18:47, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

very sorry!

I had figured that out before your post and got an edit conflict. I do think what you said was important and hit the nail on the head. That's why I wanted to include it. But I deeply apologize for misrepresenting your comments and hope you will forgive me. EChastain (talk) 17:51, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

No worries, EChastain. That page is such a morass, it's not surprising misunderstandings like that happen. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:28, 16 November 2014 (UTC)