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Errors in the summary of the featured article

Please do not remove this invisible timestamp. See WT:ERRORS and WP:SUBSCRIBE. - Dank (push to talk) 01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Errors in "Did you know ..."

Current DYK

'football' -> 'American football' please, otherwise the sport is ambiguous. Also, does that two-paragraph stub really meet the DYK length requirements? Modest Genius ^talk 12:43, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Actually it seems to be soccer, not American football. JMCHutchinson (talk) 21:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

It's 1547 characters, so just above the guidelines. There is no standard definition of 'stub' but it does meet all of the suggested rules of thumb at Wikipedia:Stub, i.e. it's more than ten sentences, it's more than 250 words.--Launchballer 15:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

The achievement cited in the hook doesnt really matter what specific type of football it is, but the specifics can be found in the bold link. I'd say leave as writer intended. —Bagumba (talk) 15:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Could someone please decide whether to pull Barron Trump or speedy-keep Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barron Trump (3rd nomination) before the latter gets too many !votes? Given that it was created by the article's creator and BLP concerns are being expressed here about a young, mostly private individual, I would suggest the former approach is more appropriate. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 20:12, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree. There is a privacy interest under active discussion. Barnards.tar.gz (talk) 20:26, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Please pull the DYK. There is no compelling reason to perpetuate the error of putting this article about a private person with no independent notability on the Main Page. Instead hiding the AfD as is currently being done limits participation in the discussion. Yngvadottir (talk) 22:19, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Errors in "On this day"

Today's OTD

• • Today is the anniversary of the Massacre of Tiananmen Square, June 4 1989, in which the Chinese government attacked protesters with an armored column, murdering approximately 2,600 people (mostly students) according to the Chinese red Cross. This politically very important recent event should be mentioned on today's POTD, instead of a baseball factoid. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoczLoxc (talk • contribs) 15:56, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

    We do not post articles on this main page that have orange maintenance tags, LoczLoxc. Feel free to improve the article for future years. Schwede66 18:01, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Tomorrow's OTD

Jerusalem Day should be added, especially since we had an OTD/DYK for the Nakba. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 18:32, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Errors in the summary of the featured list

Friday's FL

(June 7)

Monday's FL

(June 10)

Errors in the summary of the featured picture

Notice to administrators: When fixing POTD errors, please update the corresponding regular version (i.e. without "protected" in the page title) in addition to the Main Page version linked below.

Today's POTD

• I have made some minor improvements to the blurb (mainly nbsps) and trimmed the credit line slightly – these need to be copied over to the protected version. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 23:54, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

   Done Schwede66 00:01, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Ravenpuff:, why does the blurb focus on the Malabar's history when the subject of the lithograph is the Missouri exploding? Stephen 01:42, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  I didn't write this blurb (courtesy ping to Amakuru, who did), but USS Missouri (1841) is orange-tagged while HMS Malabar (1818) is not, so the latter is the better choice to be the bolded article for this POTD according to the guidelines. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 02:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  The Malabar has now also been orange-tagged. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:39, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Tomorrow's POTD

• "They grow to a height...". Nothing in the plural has been mentioned before. So please change "They" to "Trees". JMCHutchinson (talk) 22:03, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
• "They become tan when mature,". "They" could refer to cones or bracts. Please change "They" to "The cones". JMCHutchinson (talk) 22:03, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

General discussion

BREASTS?! ON THE MAIN PAGE!

Where is the decency in this world?! If I don't die from kissing all these pigs, the shock of seeing those spaniel's ears is sure to finish me off! Surely a cross section of a bra or a blurry purple image of a bra will do? I'm distraught here ... think about the children ... and the kittens! (BTW, "Bra" in German is "Büstenhalter", literally "Bust holder" ... easily my favourite translation EVER!) --LookingYourBest (talk) 05:19, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

What are you referring to? It's possible all you saw was a little image vandalism. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 09:16, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

THIS was in the DYK section! Horror!;

*Gags*

--LookingYourBest (talk) 12:07, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I am a bit partial to her Elvis quiff though ... hmmmm! --LookingYourBest (talk) 12:10, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

• The US Patent Office should be ashamed of itself, publishing this smut - though perhaps it was just an honest boob, and they deserve our full (underwired) support. I don't want to make a tit of myself, but I felt I had to get that off my chest. Cheers, This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 12:15, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

/*claps* You racked up some points there! --LookingYourBest (talk) 12:21, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

We had better nip this in the bud. Agathman (talk) 13:37, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Don't be crazy, after all, wikipedia is nork censored! --LookingYourBest (talk) 15:17, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

You guys sure milked that for every joke it's worth. 75.142.209.214 (talk) 23:14, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I'd agree, but knowing wikipedia editors, I'm sure they'll find udders! --LookingYourBest (talk) 06:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Time to change the subject and moo-ve on before we all make right tits of ourselves. --candle•wicke 02:13, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh I don't know, with a bit of tweaking I think this is a great discussion ... or am I just groping in the dark? --LookingYourBest (talk) 09:47, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

We are thinking about children, it is called education. Censorship doesn't work that well and I see no problem with this subject. Enlil Ninlil (talk) 10:05, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Editors say "decency screening = censoring anatomy articles" and "this is no place for kids" but wikimania is using pictures of little 3rd world kids being given wiki-equiped computers for fundraising and if there is no place for decency screening, let's see some kiddie porn. You must agree, so long as policy and concensus is going to say that grannies fanny is not sacred, or that pulling the piss out of the idea is really entertaining, the place is unwell right there. Exposure to such microbes should (eventually) give equal chance to decompose the place or mutate it (swine flu) into a place where sickness has no more ground. (and next thing you couldn't read an article about penis, huh?) People forget that avoiding gang rape means asking the average granny if she fancies everyone seeing under her skirt NOT asking a mob if they are in general favour of wickedness or not. Looters have to be shot eventually or left to die in the disaster zone. 86.46.64.230 (talk) 15:47, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I have no idea what you have just said, but I fight for your right to say it. Thanks for adding your two pennies. Also, thanks for thinking about the children as Enlil Ninlil suggested ... although I'm not sure that's quite the way they meant! --LookingYourBest (talk) 08:06, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

What has this world come to that anyone could be so shocked at age 30+ of seeing something that was created to nurture that same person at age 0-3 or 4 or 5 or so? To say you are thinking about "the children" as if a child has never seen, touched, suckled on a breast? What on earth did you think breasts were for, if not for children? And someone is worried about children seeing a breast on Wikipedia???? Get a life. We need more breasts on the main page, not less. 199.125.109.77 (talk) 12:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Featured User Page

I think there should be a featued User page. Parker1297 (talk) 18:32, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Who have you in mind? --candle•wicke 18:36, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

iirc, this was discussed before, but the primary concern against it was that each featured user on the Main Page would end up getting their user page and user talk page constantly vandalised for the duration of the day, especially those who are prominent or have attracted a bunch of enemies as a result of various heated disputes. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (talk) 19:21, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

That's the main objection? What about the fact that we're not MySpace, the fact that it would cause bitter infighting (as it would sail dangerously close to commenting on the user, as userpages are by their nature personal) it doesn't aid the encyclopedia in any way and the main page is for readers, not for editors? Seriously, featured redirects would be more useful than featured userpages, but before them we have featured sounds, featured lists, featured topics, featured portals, featured image sets, good articles, good topics and valued pictures that all deserve more recognition than they are getting. J Milburn (talk) 20:34, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree. But this conversation started with the concept of a featured user page. Where did the notion of putting it on the Main Page come from? --candle•wicke 21:01, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, anytime somebody proposes a featured X, the conversation always evolves into "can we put it on the main page". Zzyzx11 (talk) 00:56, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

This is on Talk:Main Page so my presumption would be that the OP wanted to put it on the main page. Of course we do get a lot of completely OT chatter here so who knows? Nil Einne (talk) 09:30, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

This is the first page marked "discussion" which anyone will view... --candle•wicke 23:54, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Are we talking about a featured user or a featured user page? Both are very bad ideas but are quite different concepts. Nil Einne (talk) 22:13, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

The section header says featured user page so unless there's been some mistake... --candle•wicke 01:41, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Well Zzyzx11 and you seemed to be talking about featured users not featured user pages but it seems I was wrong Nil Einne (talk) 09:30, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

It seems like a bad idea to feature things that are not content. Why would WP want to encourage people to put time into their user pages? How does that benefit the encyclopedia? APL (talk) 05:27, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes but then we would get into fights over what KIND of user is good, we would have to protect user pages, and in general it would be pointless. Besides, no user on wikipedia is worth being on the mnainpage.--Jakezing (Your King (talk) 02:47, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

That's a very cruel but agreeable way of putting it. --candle•wicke 02:08, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Clarification. The above comment does not necessarily mean I find cruelty agreeable. --candle•wicke 14:39, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Swine Influenza

Shouldn't the main page have a short section about the word-wide crisis that's going on that the moment? It is extremely important for Wikipedians to know about and I think it should be on the main page, along with a map of the world showing which contries are currently affected by it. Ross Rhodes (T C) ^Sign! 15:07, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

It was on the news, but it scrolled off. Besides, it's not that important. So far, you're more likely to die from regular flu. APL (talk) 15:14, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I suppose, though it is affecting people all round the world. And for all we know, it could get much worse. I still think it should be added. Ross Rhodes (T C) ^Sign! 15:17, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

It could get much worse? No crystal ball please. We will definitely feature it again when it does get much worse. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:23, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

If it gets much worse. No crystal ball please. :) J Milburn (talk) 15:26, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, you are right. You made me blush. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:30, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

?I think wikipedia should be worried if people come solely HERE in order to get current news... --Jakezing (Your King (talk) 02:49, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not surprised considering the frequency of new ITNs at the moment... 2 May is beginning to disappear already... --candle•wicke 02:58, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a news outlet. Please see our sister project, Wikinews. —David Levy 03:03, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

er no that's just wrong. the WHO are a reliable source that says that a pandemic is likely. that is nothing close to a 'crystal ball' and does not go against wikipedia's guidelines. reporting on a future pandemic might well be wrong but surely no-one wants to write about what people will say about a swine flu once it happens, or anything else that might be original research. people want to write about documented speculation on whether a pandemic is imminent: nothing to do with crystal balls. jesus christ. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.11.169 (talk) 09:37, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

The WHO being a reliable source doesn't change the fact that Wikipedia is not a news outlet it is an Encyclopedia. If/when anything changes regarding the Swine Flu, I am sure someone will update and readd to the ITN section. And as someone has already mentioned why would people mainly be coming to Wikipedia for current news, I would go to a proper news website or even the TV for up to date information. Dark verdant (talk) 11:51, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

What does the word pandemic mean? Certainly few people are dying of the bugger,

The NORMAL FLU is more of a pandemic then H1N1... Besides: The Southern Hemisphere is the one who will be enduring Swine Flu for the next couple of months, and since the people who come to En.wikipedia and edit and therefor make their presence known seem to be of a Northern Hemisphere group: why would we care (jk)--Jakezing (Your King (talk) 12:45, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

On this day ...

Re today's Latvia entry, I'd just like to point out that Lithuania was the first to declare its independence, on March 11, 1990. Sca (talk) 16:25, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

The entry does not imply that Latvia was the first? J Milburn (talk) 16:43, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Hello again. It seems quite odd that today's "On This Day" fails to list the Mexican connection with Cinco de Mayo - which is widely celebrated as a Mexican heritage day in North America.

Sca (talk) 14:13, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

At the top of the section: 'On this day... 5 May: Cinco de Mayo; [...]' Modest Genius ^talk 23:17, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Did you know (picture)

The line referring to the picture mentions three people then says "(pictured)"... The picture is of a single person, which of the three is the picture of?  æron phone home  08:23, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

The single person pictured is the last one mentioned (the name followed by "(pictured)"). — JamesR ≈talk≈ 08:26, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Still somewhat confusing that way.  æron phone home  09:14, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Re-ordered for clarity, and because it makes more sense to have Milligan mentioned first in the context of his eponymous legal case. Bencherlite^Talk 09:22, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Turkey attacks

Should this be in the news section, as with all attacks like this! It is a sad event but a significant one in Turkey because of how it was carried out. Enlil Ninlil (talk) 11:15, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Please suggest candidates at WP:ITN/C, NOT here. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 11:39, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Posted now. Thankfully I lurk around here to spot these types of comments. --candle•wicke 02:07, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Is Snooker really _that_ important

Are there not more important things in the world to include on the front page than a picture of the most recent Snooker champion? Since "In the news" only gets real estate for a single picture, there has to be more important news that the picture could highlight. "And in other news, the Rotary Club is having a bake-sale at the local MegaMart. Stay tuned for details". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.35.225.229 (talk) 12:38, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

So now were being reprimand for putting something BESIDES major news event as thje picture? Amazing. I think it's a good change; we need to mic up the ITN pictures between important and not important entries.--Jakezing (Your King (talk) 12:40, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

A balance should be able to be found between the utterly unimportant from a global perspective and fear-mongering, 'the sky is falling' tabloid news. Snooker champion=ultimately unimportant. Swine flu pandemic='the sky is falling.' Georgia accuses Russia of coup attempt=somewhere in between. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.35.225.229 (talk) 13:20, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Difficult, though, to produce a picture of one country accusing another country of plotting a coup. Also, note that this ITN is currently top; when it gets displaced by a more recent news item the picture will likely change. I suspect recent events in Turkey, and any accompanying picture, may satisfy your criteria. To my mind, however, snooker is a growing sport in Asia and Europe, and a significant part of the anglophone world will find it at least slightly interesting (mind you, I'd prefer a picture of a Nepalese politician or an Austrian avalanche). Cheers, This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 13:29, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

snooker, what the hell is that? How does this affect the world? SACP (talk) 13:32, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

The same could be said for various sporting events that get mentions on ITN. Namely American Football and Baseball. To be honest I care little about snooker and other sporting events but I'm happy the ITN items have taken away the fear mongering Swine Flu that is constantly in your face at the moment (well my face anyway). Dark verdant (talk) 13:40, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

If only there were some way to find out... Cheers, This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 14:48, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, if it helps, the Snooker Championship was participated by representatives from a grand total of 5 countries: the United Kingdom (if you count the Home Nations as one), Rep. of Ireland, Thailand, Australia and China (including Hong Kong). Now, to gear up for 9-ball once the tournament (if) ever gets held. –Howard the Duck 15:08, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Apparently it was invented in India if that article is to be believed. Considering India has one of the largest populations in the world, add in China who had players at the tournament and tried to steal it from Sheffield (reported in the Irish Independent despite Ireland having no players in the tournament), and this dwarfs the population of the US... throw in the fact that the result was published in The Sydney Morning Herald within minutes... seems like the sport is at least as relevant as baseball and American football for most of the world. If it is perceived as unusual, I think that is to be welcomed... it might attract more editors to become involved in that area and readers learn something new... presumably why they're here? --candle•wicke 15:10, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Nothing wrong with having 9-ball either if it is of the same relevance. --candle•wicke 15:13, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. And while I'm not a sports fan, I welcome ITN items that counter the misconception that the section is a news wire reporting the most important stories. Assuming that the appropriate articles have been updated/created, the highest championships of all major sports should be included. —David Levy 15:19, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

<sigh> The number of countries represented is hardly relevant. We traditionally include the winners of the baseball World Series - how many countries are represented in that? It's the world championships of a significant sport in many countries (like baseball, including ones that aren't notionally represented). --Dweller (talk) 15:23, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I totally agree. I am up for including any sport at its highest level if all the usual requirements are met, i.e. article in decent condition, lots of sources, etc. Anyone who doesn't recognise what it is can click to find out more just like many have to do in the case of scientific discoveries such as Puijila or Mycocepurus smithii. However, it is worth pointing out to some of those unfamilar with this particular sport that it is played across the world. --candle•wicke 15:32, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Sigh is right. Wikipedia is not a news source. The section on the main page is purely to showcase articles whose subjects happen to be in the public eye, not to inform of sports champions. This is a perennial complaint (that is, "What makes X so wonderful when Y is so much more important/news-worthy/multicoloured).  GARDEN  20:50, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

We have a standing policy for which sporting events get listed, which is outlined on WP:ITNR. Strangely, snooker is not on it. Although I support including this story, it does contradict existing policy - personally I would like to see it added to WP:ITNR Modest Genius ^talk 23:20, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I think you may be mistaken? I was under the impression that it was just a guideline/reminder and that anything which was deemed suitable and updated could be included on the Main Page. Despite this, it seems increasingly difficult to add sports which are unknown in the US, whilst the Super Bowl continues to be included and the Pulitzer Prize (a national award which can only be given to items published in the US) was lying dormant on the list until it was spotted after it made its way onto the Main Page a few weeks ago. Based upon my knowledge I too would say snooker is a suitable candidate for WP:ITNR. --candle•wicke 00:37, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

>>By the way, happy belated birthday Mr Genius, I think it's time to update your p/age. :) --candle•wicke 00:41, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

1. Please cite the recent instances in which sports unknown in the U.S. were unfairly omitted from ITN. If this is so, it's a problem that should be addressed as soon as possible.

2. Are you suggesting that the Super Bowl shouldn't be included? —David Levy 02:09, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh no, I just find the inclusion of the Super Bowl unusual, considering it's a national championship. The equivalent in association football, for instance, would be the Premier League or, in Gaelic football, the All-Ireland Senior Football Championship (which has been around a lot longer than 1967 (1880s in fact) and features London GAA and New York GAA, the former being on an entirely different island in an entirely different country and the latter being on an entirely different continent altogether, and the entire tournament which I would consider as culturally relevant in its region as the Super Bowl seems to be in its region). Also, "hurling is played throughout the world, and is popular among members of the United Kingdom, North America, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and Argentina..." Even The New York Times considers it the fastest field sport in the world – in its recommendation as a suitable event for its readers to attend, it says the game dates from ancient times and that modern semi-finals have "only a limited number of tickets" available on match-week. And that's just the semi-finals. I just think some of those illogicalities aren't being addressed appropriately. Also, considering this would be those two sports at their highest level, I think those two have more relevance than, say, the Premier League; football of that variety of course having so many popular continental championships and the FIFA World Cup as its signature events. --candle•wicke 02:31, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

The Super Bowl is the premier championship of its sport (American football). That sport is played primarily in the United States, but this is a country whose population is equal to 61% of the entire European Union. (The Super Bowl also has a large international audience.)

However, the U.S. population needn't be considered, as there is consensus for the inclusion of every major sport's highest championship(s), assuming that the appropriate articles have been created/updated. This includes sports played chiefly in countries with much smaller populations than the United States, such as Canadian football (the Grey Cup) and Australian rules football (the AFL Grand Final). You mentioned the All-Ireland Senior Football Championship, which is another event that qualifies (because it is the highest level of Gaelic football). You also mentioned hurling, and it appears that the All-Ireland Senior Hurling Championship qualifies as well. As you noted, the Premier League championship is not the highest level of association football.

You stated above that "it seems increasingly difficult to add sports which are unknown in the US." Again, please cite specific instances in which the criteria were met and such items were unsuccessfully proposed. —David Levy 03:07, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

That list is neither complete nor sacrosanct. (And it's more an indication of which specific events should be featured than of which sports should be.) It appears that the sport of snooker simply hasn't been discussed in this context before, but I see no reason why it shouldn't qualify (and I realize that you agree). —David Levy 02:09, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

"Snooker" is a funny word. --MZMcBride (talk) 03:20, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Does it make you snicker? —David Levy 03:24, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. I think it's partly due to the old joke (adapted), "Snooker?! I barely know her!" :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 03:28, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Heh, let's just say I won't be touching items such as this with a 10-foot rake from now on. –Howard the Duck 10:05, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Just leave it on, this is going to fall apart into a "My country is best" POV argument, really soon and we all know it.--Jakezing (Your King (talk) 10:44, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, based on the current ITN picture, the best country is obviously this one ;-) Slightly more seriously, as the ITN picture has changed now, isn't this thread somewhat moot? Cheers, This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 10:54, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I find it amazing that no matter what we put on the MP, fort no reason somebody has to complain, to much Norway, to ?Much US, to much unimportant stuff.--Jakezing (Your King (talk) 12:40, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Hanging around WP:ITN/C more often is advised. Have you seen the length of the discussion on snooker? And that made it to the Main Page... but that's besides the point, I was asked for examples for what probably seemed like strange claims and I have given a summary of points I've made elsewhere before since that was essentially what I was asked for. There was meant to be no bitter accusations involved but I apologise if my tone came across in the way. As for the list, well clearly there are those who are uncertain and it may be regarded as policy by some. At the moment there is a very flat, eventless discussion on the 2009 World Table Tennis Championships. I've seen the the men's section and it has Japan, South Korea, Denmark, Austria, France, Slovakia, Italy, Romania, Russia, Czech Republic, Australia, Nigeria, Brazil, Argentina, Slovenia, Portugal, Greece, Russia, Poland, Belarus, Croatia, Serbia, Sweden, Noway, Chinese Taipei, Mexico, Ukraine, Egypt, England, Latvia, Belgium, Iceland, Spain, Singapore, Vietnam, Dominican Republic, Scotland, Bulgaria for the geography enthusiasts + India and China for the population enthusiasts. Not at WP:ITNR and no representation from the US does create stumbling blocks and uncertainty when you only have yourself to comment with on the topic... and no, ITN does not usually bow to pressure fom the Talk:Main Page regulars to remove the latest controversial topic unless there is some logical reason to do do. --candle•wicke 12:45, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

With the current developments, WP:ITNR is now rendered as obsolete, with the recent loosening up of the rules. The quick removal/re-addition of big 4 U.S. sports would've been reversed, anyway. –Howard the Duck 14:35, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

It depends how recent. The presence of the Pulitzers on the list rendered the awards section obsolete and destroyed the honest rationale which was offered to the person who nominated the 2009 BRIT Awards earlier this year. --candle•wicke 14:52, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Which probably opens the floodgate for such articles. –Howard the Duck 14:54, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure. It was removed... we cannot possibly have every national music, film, literature award... and then where would it stop? Radio might feel left out. The internet itself. Then science would have a valid claim since this is an encyclopedia. I think there is much greater step between awards and sport. --candle•wicke 15:22, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

I can't wait for Burundi's equivalent of the Oscars to get in. –Howard the Duck 12:25, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

But then it's hardly rendered obsolete if it's just a guideline and not a policy? --candle•wicke 14:53, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe tag it with historical or something. –Howard the Duck 15:01, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Do you mean important as in news of the deadly, dangerous, rich beyond dreams, power beyond control and evil beyond sanity, or do you mean that kicking a ball is just not the international exciement it is made out to be, the fastest man in the world is sort of lame, maybe curiosity is a search for merciless justice or a bit of whatever that dum cat was having and the news, is not really the news, but is the bads!! We should not be expanding it in love, we should be crushing it like a spine in the ass. Olympics? World cup?? Please wait here while we crush your puny hopeful spirit! Wahahaha! Beleive it. World champion anything is top rate news. Mr. 1 in six, thousand, thousand, thousand... not Mr. top of the street but top of the WORLD Ma! If there was less public sport there would be less world peace 'cos humans other attributes are ignorance, boredom and evil mind-ness. And it's nearly as hard as golf? 86.46.64.230 (talk) 16:22, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Error in "Did you know" section

page says, "... that Ida Henrietta Hyde was the first woman to receive a Ph.D. at Heidelberg College?" Link is to Heidelberg University in Ohio. In fact, Hyde received her Ph.D. at the University of Heidelberg in Germany. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.99.8.10 (talk) 13:48, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

WP:ERRORS. --candle•wicke 14:56, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Ventura

Another DYK note: It should be Jesse Venture, former governor of Minnesota. His term as governor ended six years ago. Sca (talk) 14:10, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Another WP:ERRORS. --candle•wicke 16:02, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Heh, surprised nobody has complained about the systemic bias with wrestling on the main page. --Kaizer13 (talk) 17:32, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

The table tennis ought to go some way towards evening that out. --candle•wicke 01:56, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

In The News section

the highlighted news article links in the In The News section today read like this:- seal products, mutiny, slaughter, kill 2009 World Snooker Championship. (insane marines rebel and do your worst at the snooker) Now if I was an insane paranoid schitzo they probably wouldn't give me stuff highlighted like that in whatever hospital had me. Point? It could have been linked like this, (actual news style?):- "bill banning imports of seal products", "Georgian troops mutiny", "Egypt commences the slaughter of all domesticated pigs", "gunmen kill 44 people at wedding party", OKay you get the picture, it is sort of random? 86.46.64.230 (talk) 16:03, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I don't get the picture Nil Einne (talk) 16:24, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Where the current link is kill it could have been a link to gunmen kill 44 people at wedding party without much extra work. Maybe it doesn't make so much sense, I just thought it could improve for anyone who works on that stuff if they might not have thought of it. Some of todays links like mutiny and slaughter sort of fit but usually it seems like Georgian troops mutiny and Egypt commences the slaughter of all domesticated pigs (no change to current wording only change to size of link) sometimes it seemed like that type of link was more correct and newsy. Not much of a suggestion but hey maybe next year :) 86.46.64.230 (talk) 21:32, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

The reason why Georgian troops mutiny doesn't work is because there are useful links in Georgia and troops. Ditto with Egypt and domestic pigs. 'Gunmen kill 44 people at wedding party' is a very long link and is likely to cause more confusion and doesn't look good for a stylistic viewpoint. Finally ITN is not about the news. Nil Einne (talk) 21:58, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

A good reason for changing the title to something involving the word "events". Of course then there would be no more ITN... there would be a brand new set of initials... --candle•wicke 00:11, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Snooker word choices

Just a minor comment on the headline about Snooker. When I first read the verb "beats" it brought to mind a vicious crime. As I continued reading the note, I realized it was about Snooker. Perhaps a different word would be in better judgment. "Defeats" or "bests" immediately come to mind. Any others would just help the situation. Thanks. --Everchanging02 (talk) 16:46, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Yip, I'll pass this over to WP:ERRORS as well... --candle•wicke 18:44, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

It constantly eludes me why people never report errors in the correct place. What really is so difficult about posting properly? 79.71.114.103 (talk) 12:37, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

When you come here for the first time you might not know where everything is. --candle•wicke 13:45, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

My apologies. At the time I looked at the page to submit my note, I searched the page to make sure nothing was mentioned about it previously, and then could swear that I saw something about posting to the end of the page. I usually do minor contributions like the aforementioned correction, and so when I run into a page that I can't edit, I tend to look for the best way to help correct it. Some people don't have all the time to read through all the rules and minor nuances (not to mention search for the specific locations) when they just want to make a simple contribution. Again, I apologize for posting to the incorrect place and in the future I will either contribute to the list of errors near the top of the page or choose not to contribute at all. --Everchanging02 (talk) 16:44, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Table tennis?

Really? That's news relevant to the world? Table tennis championships? I understand it's a legit sport, but... NIRVANA2764 (talk) 02:32, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

How is it any less relevant than, say, the Superbowl or Baseball World Series? Table Tennis is hugely popular in Asia. Seems fine to me. Modest Genius ^talk 02:49, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. ITN's purpose is not to document "news relevant to the world"; it's to link to articles that have been created or substantially updated to reflect recent/current events of timely, widespread (but not necessarily worldwide) interest. Table tennis is very popular, and there is consensus for the inclusion of every major sport's highest championship (provided that the article creation/update criterion is met). —David Levy 03:52, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

The power resources for india —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.68.108.250 (talk) 08:08, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Countries competing in the men's competition. Japan, South Korea, Denmark, Austria, France, Slovakia, Italy, Romania, Russia, Czech Republic, Australia, Nigeria, Brazil, Argentina, Slovenia, Portugal, Greece, Russia, Poland, Belarus, Croatia, Serbia, Sweden, Norway, Chinese Taipei, Mexico, Ukraine, Egypt, England, Latvia, Belgium, Iceland, Spain, Singapore, Vietnam, Dominican Republic, Scotland, Bulgaria and India. Others spotted in the women's competition include Colombia and DR Congo. Germany (a non-Asian country) claims to have the fourth best player in the world. Thank you. --candle•wicke 13:54, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Certainly a few more than the FIFA World Cup, and a ton more compared to snooker, eh? –Howard the Duck 14:16, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Indeed. I'm surprised it hasn't been included at WP:ITNR before. Just passing by there and I noticed the slightly older, Australia and New Zealand dominated Netball World Championships are already included. So snooker and table tennis being dominated by the UK and China respectively would appear to be no excuse for their exclusion. Can I just confirm that it is acceptable to add both table tennis and snooker to the list? I also have two further proposals, having just nominated the 2009 Cannes Film Festival at future events per the recurring items list. Would appreciate some input as to the debuts of Italy and Germany into the list of annual items. --candle•wicke 14:34, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I remember ITN adds the winner of the Palme d'Or consistently. And with that said, I'll be adding the AFC Asian Cup and the 9-ball championship. –Howard the Duck 14:38, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

That seems agreeable. :) --candle•wicke 14:39, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Since every "major" sport gets in to be there, I don't see the point of maintaining it. What's the definition of a "major" sport? How about sepak takraw and my favoritest sport of all time kabaddi? –Howard the Duck 14:51, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

If they're organised into competitions and there is one that stands out and has a following of some sort, then I don't really see why not? I was going to ask now to include Gaelic games as well since they weren't exactly disagreed with above and since we now have one more association football event and the American and Australian versions are still there. There's no real point to saying we can't include this sport or that as people are going to become annoyed. Also, it might be included in the list and therefore can be nominated but it can't be posted until it is updated so there is still work to do for each one. :) --candle•wicke 14:56, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I honestly had never heard of sepak takraw but if it's played in that many countries across Asia and Australia... :) the difference between this and Gaelic games though being that they have a major championship and there is a WikiProject Gaelic games who work to improve those articles. I wouldn't say the latter is any reason to go for or against, although it shows there are people who have come together and who are interested in improving this area. But surely there ought to be a definite championship to make an ITN wording easier? Is there one and can you inform us more about it? --candle•wicke 15:04, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

So the purpose is not to be relevant but to link people to articles on current events that we consider to be exemplary? Hah, and I thought this was a news section. My mistake! NIRVANA2764 (talk) 14:44, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes actually. I sense you were trying to be sarcastic but you're correct. Wikipedia is NOT NEWS. --candle•wicke 16:34, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Pssht. Now pocket tennis, THAT's a notable subject. I was just wondering, can you feature my victory over Triple H while playing as Hardcore Holly in SmackDown vs. Raw 2009 in ITN? I mean, since you're bending your notability criteria just a tad here. --Kaizer13 (talk) 15:57, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Really? I didn't think we'd gone as far as including personal achievements of the virtual variety... but it would be helpful if the actual final or championship could be specified otherwise there isn't really much of a case. --candle•wicke 16:30, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I think a systemic main page bias towards sarcasm detectors would be of great help to everyone. --Kaizer13 (talk) 17:23, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

What are we on about now? There's so much confusion surrounding topics with which I'm barely familiar that I can't detect the sarcasm any longer. --candle•wicke 18:21, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I've lost track, too. Possibly "Pocket Tennis" refers to this, though given the presence of a partner it may refer to this. Possibly not a suitable topic for ITN. Cheers, This flag once was red^propaganda_deeds 18:28, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Wow... I would never have come to that conclusion. Not as funny as this gem. --candle•wicke 18:34, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

In the news: Georgian Mutiny

Shouldn't there be anything in the headline about the mutineers surrendering? The current wording makes the event seem like it's ongoing. Ansh666 (talk) 20:02, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

WP:ERRORS. --candle•wicke 20:22, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Brazilian floods

Is there any need for this news? I'm Brazilian and nobody, I mean nobody is talking about this here. I didn't even know it happened before I saw it here. Brady4mvp (Talk) 00:07, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

seriously whats with people arguing about every news item after it gets posted. go ITN/C and help pick proper ones. and ITN is not a news source. If the article is good and the event is interesting enough (which gets discussed for notability and international interest beforehand at ITN/C) it will get posted. Ashishg55 (talk) 00:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

According to the BBC, you are now experiencing your worst floods in over twenty years. Have you looked outside your window recently? --candle•wicke 00:43, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Seriously, no. Maybe because all the news are about the swine flu. Brady4mvp (Talk) 01:26, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Swine flu, is that still going on? Have the media not said "whoops and sorry for alarming everyone" yet? Dark verdant (talk) 07:55, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Suggestion: Featured Country

Might be fun! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.224.103.240 (talk) 08:06, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Ha ha, yes it would be fun to see all the complaints demanding to know why their country isn't featured. I think we should leave it at the inordinate amount of complaints because of ITN for now, when that dies down maybe do a featured country just to keep the complainers on their toes. Dark verdant (talk) 08:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)