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January 17

Views on everything - say Boo to a goose

Why is it that some people seem to have views on every subject after a few drinks? whereas normally they might not even say Boo to a goose--Light current 00:37, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

See the article on drunkenness. -THB 01:12, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Although, to be honest, the article only mentions how alcohol impairs a person, not actually how it affects a person, which could be quite interesting to read about, actually. 惑乱 分からん 01:41, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

effects of alcohol on the body gives details about the different aspects of this. V-Man737 02:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

That's an interesting observation. I wonder if there is any correlation between drunks and Wikipedians having a view on everything, the only difference being that drunks are more amusing? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.145.241.104 (talk) 15:39, 18 January 2007 (UTC).

People always have views on everything. They just don't realise it until they're drunk.±Bumblefart 08:04, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Make a user

How do you make a user on wikipedia?

If you aren't already signed in, on the upper-right hand corner of almost every page there is the option "Sign in / create account." If you click on that, you are given options and instructions to create a new account. V-Man737 01:23, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Different types of mail

Hi, I am trying to find out about different types of mail. What is 1st class mail, 2nd class mail, and so on. thank you —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.101.51.190 (talk) 01:42, 17 January 2007 (UTC).

The Postal Service The USPS article is very in-depth and useful (assuming you are referring to the US postal service); apparently second, third, fourth-class mail is redefined in these days. Definitely worth a look. V-Man737 01:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

• The questioners use of 1st class makes me suspect they're talking about British postal services. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

The IP address seems to be from the United States, and "1st class" mail is a common term in the USPS as well as Britain; it implies the existence of 2nd and 3rd class mail, too. V-Man737 10:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

The postal service has a very good web site9 http://www.usps.com/all/welcome.htm?from=homedoorwaybar&page=0019allproducts).129.112.109.251 18:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC) The postal service has a very good web site9 http://www.usps.com/all/welcome.htm?from=homedoorwaybar&page=0019allproducts).129.112.109.251 19:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Wow, that must be a very good website. V-Man737 08:34, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Your face is gonna freeze like that if you keep making that silly face!

We've all heard that from our moms at one time, and I'm wondering if that saying has any truth to it. A couple years ago, my eyesight got pretty bad, and I was without contacts or glasses for about a year to a year and a half. During that time, being a student, I needed to see things on the board that the teacher was demonstrating, so I compensated by pulling on the sides of my eyes to make my vision better. From what I understand, doing that manipulates the lens and makes things clearer. But, I'm wondering if doing that a lot over a long period of time (a year to a year and a half) would possibly make my eyes appear more "squinty", if you will, or to appear as if I was of Asian descent. Thanks for any input. P.S. If I didn't explain anything well enough, i.e. how I pulled on my eyes to make my vision better, just ask and I'll try to clarify. --71.117.43.124 03:04, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

It is conceivably possible to get cramps in your face; I've not ever heard of it happening outside of old wives' tales, though (That article mentions it and links to Bell's palsy as well as providing a link to a website explaining the tale). Squinting doesn't squash your eyeball; rather, it limits the amount of light that enters the eye, making it easier to distinguish lines. Focusing on near or far objects will, however, cause the eye to stretch or compress the lens. V-Man737 03:15, 17 January 2007 (UTC) (edit: I can see why squinting might be frowned upon, however, since it might lead to unwanted wrinkles later in life. V-Man737 03:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC))

No, squinting is like reducing the size of your pupil, or having a smaller aperture on a camera: less light will arrive but depth of field is increased so you see out of focus things clearer. --antilived^{T | C | G} 03:25, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

...A more accurate way of describing it... V-Man737 03:41, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Beard with no moustache?

File:Facial Hair Types.png

Barber's guide to men's facial hair styles, circa 1900.

Is there a name for it? Every time I see a man wearing a neat trimmed beard but no moustache, I think of the Amish, but I've never heard a name for that practice. The article on the Amish has an explanation of why they trim their moustaches, but does not give a name for it. 192.168.1.1 7:50pm, 16 January 2006 (PST) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.112.144.196 (talk) 03:50, 17 January 2007 (UTC).

This site actually refers to it as "the Amish style;" these forumists(eh?) refer to it as a "jaw beard;" List of types of facial hair lists numerous variations. V-Man737 04:01, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I always think of it as a "Thomas Keneally beard", but I know that's not it's proper name. Curiously, there's a reference to the Amish in his article. JackofOz 04:06, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

It is probably something to the effect of "Any Amish man would be proud to have a beard like Keneally's." (My first reaction to that link was "wow.") V-Man737 04:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Tom thanks you.  :) JackofOz 03:16, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I always knew it (For as long as I had known about them) as a C. Everett Koop beard. 68.39.174.238 23:24, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Banking

Could anyone please tell me what study I need to do, under which program should I study in order to work in a bank. I want to work in Bank. And what are the types of Jobs in Banking. I am from Ontario, and which college could offer better education? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.52.4.64 (talk) 05:22, 17 January 2007 (UTC).

(edit conflict) The banks I've dealt with require a "bottom up" approach — entry-level working as a teller for a while, and working your way up through the ranks. As far as programs or education, they usually require a high school diploma for entry-level, and taking accounting and business-oriented classes in college is not a bad idea for the promotion part. V-Man737 05:57, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

The above is one path to working in a bank branch. Another path to working in a branch, and especially at headquarters, is to first get a degree in accounting and finance. This would likely allow you to skip working as a teller. Also, since banking is computer intense, a computer science degree, especially with an emphasis in database administration, could also be helpful. StuRat 14:39, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I recommend that you seriously ask yourself why do you want to work in a Bank. I have worked for one in South Africa for the past 10 years and have found the work to be exceptionally stressful (customer issues, budgets, deadlines, compliance issues) and the compensation just isn't worth it. As mentioned above you have to start out at the bottom of the ranks and work your way up. Only reason I am still here is that it pays the bills and alternatives in the job market are not too plenty. Obviously conditions might be different in Ontario, but do yourself the favour - check it out first (possibly they will be in need of temporary staff at times which will be a good time to see what it is like, without the full commitment. Best regards.--196.208.63.111 18:26, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but at least if you work at a bank you're not expected to bring your work home with you. In fact, they actually frown on their employees bringing home large bags of cash. :-) StuRat 09:42, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I think you just described every job: sucks and pays the bills! In fact, I have always found that the more the latter, the more the former. :) --Zeizmic 21:29, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I work for a bank, working in a Bank is not a career path, banks hire: tellers, managers, office administrators, personal assistants, receptionists, administrators, human resources, technical analysts, business analysts, financial analysts, operations, dealers, lawyers, accountants, marketing and about as many in analogous IT related roles, and that's just off the top of my head. You need to decide WHAT you want to do for a bank.. Vespine 22:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Out here in the desert, we refer to all those titles simply as "secretary". ;-) V-Man737 03:50, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

W. Butcher woodworking tools

I have a very old woodworking plane. It has the name W. Butcher which I understand was a company located in Sheffield, England in the 19th century.

I am interested in verifying the information above and learning more about this company.

Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.77.148.128 (talk) 05:59, 17 January 2007 (UTC).

OSV says about a chisel with the same name on it: "William Butcher is listed in Sheffield, England as an edge-tool manufacturer from." Tilthammer here enumerates the life adventures of Butcher. Unfortunately, Wikipedia's article on William Butcher is not about the man you speak of; this would be a good time to encourage someone to start that article! V-Man737 06:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, such an article may prevent some tool from chiseling or reaming a person who thinks they just have a plane old tool to sell. StuRat 15:11, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Awl right, that was between plane silliness and plumb dingbatty. V-Man737 15:24, 17 January 2007 (UTC)*

• The Sheffield Cutlers Guild have complete records of blademakers and may be able to help.There are several archives about this you can access on the net.Hope this helps.(hotclaws**== 19:57, 18 January 2007 (UTC))

Thank you very much. The Tilthammer article is what I was looking for. (Robert)

The future is us

There's a saying that goes something like this - "We've seen the future, and it is us." There may originally have been another word instead of future... Does anyone know where the saying originally came from? A Google search turns up a lot of people playing on the saying - "We've seen the future, and it is _____," with the blank something humorous, or whatever... but does anyone know where it initially comes from? zafiroblue05 | Talk 06:18, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Everything I am digging up is either directly or indirectly leading me to Lincoln Steffens, whose original statement "I have been over into the future, and it works" is often misquoted "I have seen the future, and it works." Somewhere along the line (nowhere is very clear to this) the quote seems to have been adopted as a boast - replacing "works" with "is us." In the most serious articles using the quote, it is usually in reference to the progression of human evolution and related topics, leading one to wonder whether Charles Darwin may actually have something to do with it...? V-Man737 06:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

(edit) also, this website says that Cesar Chavez said "...We have seen the future, and the future is ours.” This may have been a part of the adaptation of Steffens' quote. V-Man737 06:57, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

(edit) on third thought, some sites attribute the quote in its fullness to Walt Kelly, in his creation Pogo, although mostly these sites seem to have less WP:V and WP:N than the first references I posted. V-Man737 06:59, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

The Walt Kelly quote is actually "We've seen the enemy, and he is us!" 惑乱 分からん 12:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it's a variation on the Pogo quote, but it might have come from ABC's 1985 song "How to Be a Millionaire": I’ve seen the future, I can’t afford it. --Diderot 18:41, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Oliver Hazard Perry in the War of 1812 is quoted as saying "We have met the enemy, and they are ours." The Pogo quote is a takeoff on that. Edison 07:07, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

American Footage

Why is it that whenever American footage (such as imported news reports and ads, but not newer TV shows) is shown on TV, they appear different (here in Australia at least)? The pictures seem more greyed out and less colourful. Is this to do with converting NTSC to PAL? 203.208.88.170 07:04, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I've not a clue; however, I actually think of American news as being too colourful, if you get my drift ;-) V-Man737 07:10, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

See Refresh rate#Televisions - European and American TVs run on different frequencies, and Australia uses the European model. To me, American shows always look grainy on a regular TV. Natgoo 07:45, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm, are TV shows converted to European standard, or are they just aired from better copies? 惑乱 分からん 12:04, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe American news footage is compressed for transmission? Vespine 22:48, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe it's not your TV. Maybe America is just grayer and less colorful than Australia :) -- Mwalcoff 00:08, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the answers guys :) --203.208.88.170 11:27, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

365 years

Two questions on one concept:

1. Is there a special term for an amount of time equal to 365 years?
2. Does this amount of time have significance other than religiously?

V-Man737 12:33, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

See Common year. Isn't the significance that of everyday usage and common sense approximation, rather than a specifically religious one? ---Sluzzelin 13:24, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

In ancient Egypt there was a period called a Sothic cycle which was comprised of four periods of 365 years each. This was essentially a mechanism for handling the fact that a solar year has an actual length of about 365.25 days... much as we now use 'leap days'. Also, the biblical figure Enoch was said to have lived for 365 years and this has subsequently been taken to have various possible significances. You might also be interested in the Great year concept, which is the period required for procession of the equinoxes (~25750 years). --CBD 13:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

So (summing up my recent learnings), for the Sothic cycle, the significance is that the Egyptians ignored the extra quarter day per sidereal year, leading to lagging behind more and more until, 1460 of their years later, a full 1460 quarter days (365) had accumulated (thus actually being 1461 years later), landing them right back on-cycle with an otherwise 365.25-day year system... So, if there were exactly 365 days in a year, they wouldn't have needed the Sothic system of coping with fractions of a day. Considering this, is there any other significance to "365 years"? — BTW, thanks for the link to the Great year, it was fascinating! (although it was a tangent from my original intent... Now, if the precession took 365 years, that would be extremely interesting. My focus is on whether 365 years has any kind of real significance, and to my consternation I am finding dubious website after dubious website encouraging me to worship Enoch or some other religious concept.) V-Man737 13:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

No, there is no real significance. StuRat 15:06, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Late 1800's Supernaturalism

The discovery consists," he says, "in subjecting the vapors of volatile liquids to the action of concentrated sun-light, or to the concentrated beam of the electric light." The vapors of certain nitrites, iodides, and acids are subjected to the action of the light in an experimental tube, lying horizontally, and so arranged that the axis of the tube and that of the parallel beams issuing from the lamp are coincident. The vapors form clouds of gorgeous tints, and arrange themselves into the shapes of vases, of bottles and cones, in nests of six or more; of shells, of tulips, roses, sunflowers, leaves, and of involved scrolls. "In one case," he tells us, "the cloud-bud grew rapidly into a serpent's head; a mouth was formed, and from the cloud, a cord of cloud resembling a tongue was discharged." Finally, to cap the climax of marvels, "once it positively assumed the form of a fish, with eyes, gills, and feelers. The twoness of the animal form was displayed throughout, and no disk, coil, or speck existed on one side that did not exist on the other." Professor Tyndall

Is this possible, and what if any would be the practical application thereof? Thank you

Shining light through vapour: possible. Application: trippy lighting for a chill-out room. Nothing to do with supernaturalism that I can see. --Tagishsimon (talk)

This sounds like the pseudo-Victorian paper on generating lasers. (Read it, you'll be glad you did!) V-Man737 01:35, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

BTW, perhaps our poster should read the rules of the reference desk - especially the bit which says Do not double post. Please post your question on only one reference desk. Please use the most appropriate desk; use "miscellaneous" if none of the others fit, given that this is the third or fourth time I've seen this question today... Grutness...wha? 07:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

As I said on the other Ref Desks, I can't find where Tyndall said that, so for the moment it sounds like Blavatsky made it up, which is kind of surprising, with Tyndall around then to dispute it. Edison 07:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, but i cant get a satisfactory answer.

• You mean you didn't get an answer you like.The question is very vague.What sort of answer do you want?Do you want it to prove/disprove Spiritualism?.If you asked it more precisly I may be able to help as I know a fair bit about the Victorian occult.(hotclaws**== 20:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC))

Anniversary of Tragic Events

This is quite a sensitive issue but I figure people here are adult enough to deal with it without being reactionary...I am interested in whether anybody has evidence of mosques holding memorial services for those killed in the attacks of, say, 9/11 or other such attacks attributed to muslim-extremists. I expect there will be many examples of this, and if this is the case I am interested as to whether it received any publicity/media coverage. I think where they exist they should be given greater media coverage as it will help to highlight the otherwise negative-light that the muslim faith is often portrayed in across national (Uk here, but probably beyond) press. I'm not suggesting that these things didn't happen, I am just surprised that I haven't heard any through my (admittedly small) reading of this issue. ny156uk 18:29, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

It seems that there have been a few,see

[1] and [2] Serena 20:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Excellent. Thank you very much Serena. I'd been threatening to ask/find out about this for some time. ny156uk 20:57, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

alcoholic drink

Has anyone ever heard of a drink called aviator? It's from the world war two era..

                 Thanks, Bill phillips

I haven't heard of it myself,but I found several Google results:[3]

[4] Serena 20:50, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

origin of Kammas living in Coimbatore - South India

I'm a kamma born and brought up in Coimbatore. For long I have been trying to locate the origin of Kammas living in Coimbatore. After going thru various articles listed in Wikipedia I now feel there is a connection between Vijayanagar Empire and the Kammas living in Coimbatore. But inspite of repeated attempts I'm really not able to find out anything concrete on when & How it all began. A deeper study of the Nayak system shows details of Madurai Nayaks without any specific information on any Nayak system in Coimbatore. But even today we can see plenty of Paalayams in Coimbatore like Pappanaickenpalayam, perianickenpalayam,Chinniampalayam,Kannampalayam,Maddampalayam ... to name a few. There should be definite beginning for all these. My quest is in finding out when it all started and how it progressed over the centuried/decades or years.

Can someone throw a light on this subject?

I think that you will have to resort to historical texts in print (on paper). The Madurai Kamaraj University and Madras University have history departments teaching Indian history. You might try contacting one of the historians or a reference librarian at a university library for historical works dealing with Coimbatore. Marco polo 19:43, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. But not so easy to trace from the Printed collections. Do you have any idea on the availability of News Paper Archieves on the NET for the period between 1350 & 1660?

From where? I know I've seen copies of the "Gentleman's Magazine" that might be that old... However, you'll probably find Court Records, acts of Legislation and various shipping details more useful as I think newsprint only showed up very late in that time period. 68.39.174.238 23:29, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

WW2 Aviation History

Why are many of the WW2 fighting planes called/refered to as GHOSTS?66.161.93.10 19:26, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

It's first important to point out that World War II is not specific to this question, as "old" warplanes from many conflicts are termed "ghosts". That's the definite part of the answer. As for the rest... presumably for the romantic/emotional sense that is conjured by the term. Ghosts are things that have passed away and aren't firmly tied to the ground, generally speaking. — Lomn 23:15, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Copyright and Family Picture

I wish to include a family picture in a Wikipedia entry. What should it's copyright status be?

-Roger Taft

The copyright is owned by whoever took the photo, or if deceased, his/her heirs. So strictly speaking, you need to have the permission of the copyright owner. As to license, the copyright owner can, for instance, choose to a) put it in the public domain (e.g. use tags such as {{PD-release}}, {{PD-self}} or other shown at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/Public domain or b) make it GFDL (the tag would be {{GFDL}} or one of the others listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags/Free licenses.--Tagishsimon (talk)

Unless it has been 100 years since the photographer's death, or, if you live in the United States, (most of the time) if the photograph was taken before January 1st, 1923. Depending on its country of origin there can be different rules. Now isn't copyright silly? X [Mac Davis] (DESK|How's my driving?) 00:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Professional Photos

I don't have an answer to that, but I do have a similar question... My understanding is that if a professional takes a picture of a public domain work, that picture will automatically be considered public domain itself. The Professional may argue that it is his own copyright, but this argument has lost in court.

So... If a professional takes a picture of me, can he claim a copyright on the image? --Measure 19:34, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

See Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp. in regard to public domain issues. As to a photo of you ... you are not in the public domain and the photographer could indeed claim copyright. --Tagishsimon (talk)

How would papparazzi keep publishing embarassing photos of celebrities if they just got sued for it every time? They can claim (C) for the PHOTO, not for the image it self. As in, if they copyright their photo of you doesn't mean you can't show your face in public any more. Vespine 21:48, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

It's more correct to say that a photograph of a two-dimensional work of art that is already in the public domain will itself be in the public domain. The reason is insufficient originality; the photograph will not differ from the original in any way that could allow it to be copyrighted.

A photograph of a three-dimensional work of art can be copyrighted because the photographer chooses the lighting, angle, and background, so there's originality.

As to a picture of you: unless you are a two-dimensional work of art, the photographer also has to choose lighting, angle, and background, so there's originality. --Charlene 03:24, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Charlene, your answer actually makes sense to me. Thanks. --Measure 19:54, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Original prom transport

Hi, This isn't an academic question, but can you think of original ways (so that rules out limousines) to get to a prom? I'm looking into hiring a VW Camper, but we'd like 7 seats. Please help! Thanks, My Username is... 19:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

How about a boat or a helicopter. Rya Min 22:12, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Walking is original! I mean, who does that? You could build a hovercraft that ran on gas, or you could go on Segway PTs :) I also recommend entering the duck tape scholarship competition for prom couples if you're feeling extra extra creative. X [Mac Davis] (DESK|How's my driving?) 00:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Why? Spend the money on a better restaurant. t h b 03:58, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Why not a Tuk-tuk or a Rickshaw? Or, if you've got several friends who'll also want transport, you could hire a Routemaster bus; since they were replaced in London, quite a few have ended up in the hands of hire firms across the world. I'm not what country you're from, but there's quite a few in the US, Canada and Western Europe (and of course the UK). Laïka 07:45, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Segways would be great, but they're banned on public paths in the UK right now (where I live!) A boat would be great, but there's no water around! And we would walk, but some of the...erm...locals aren't very, shall we say friendly. Helicopters would be amazing to arrive in, but that would cost loads. Does anyone know if tractors are available for hire for one day? A google search gets hires for weeks or months. A routemaster sounds good though! But if that fails, then maybe a limo after all. Thanks for all your help so far!My Username is... 07:50, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

No water? Then dig a canal! That would certainly be special. :–) --Anonymous, January 18, 2007, 09:08 (UTC).

Buy a huge (and I really mean huge) bunch of helium balloons and fly there. As tested by Mythbusters it is possible but you would need ridiculously large amount of balloons for that... Maybe some weather balloons tied to an arm chair will do... --antilived^{T | C | G} 12:28, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

That looks dangerous! I'd like to arrive on time, in one piece, and without the need of helicopter assistance! Neat idea though!My Username is... 19:18, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Build your own flying machine, very few people have done that:) Or dig a tunnel :] You could just not go, that would be original :]Hidden secret 7 19:41, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

• Horse and carraige?(hotclaws**== 20:08, 18 January 2007 (UTC))

Does anyone know whether you can get 8 seater VW Campers?My Username is... 20:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

England to Sri Lanka

Can anyone advise me as to the best source of information to plan a route between England and Sri Lanka, noting all the respective Country formalities en route. I am considering a road trip but not adverse to ferries.

Pethag

For how to do it right, consult Dervla Murphy's Full Tilt. mglg_(talk) 20:28, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

There is no easy way to get there by land except by passing through Afghanistan and Pakistan. The parts of Pakistan bordering on Afghanistan are extremely dangerous for foreigners, particularly non-Muslim foreigners. Unless you are a Muslim and can feign sympathy for the Taliban, you run a risk of kidnapping or worse by Taliban partisans. On the other hand, if you are Muslim and look like a possible Taliban sympathizer, you risk detention or worse by the Afghanistan government or the western military contingents supporting it.

The only alternative would be to go through Russia and Kazakhstan, and optionally through Kyrgyzstan, into China. Petrol stations in central Asia and western China may be very far apart, such that you might need a reserve supply. You would need to travel across western China on roads that may or may not be open to civilians, into Tibet, where travel is somewhat restricted. From Tibet, you would cross the Himalaya into Nepal (currently peaceful but tense) or possibly Sikkim, and thence into India proper. I am not sure whether it is presently possible to travel by ship from India to Sri Lanka. The ferry from Rameswaram has been out of operation for over a decade due to the Tamil insurgency in northern Sri Lanka. However, there may be a boat from Kochi to Colombo, though whether it carries passengers' cars I don't know. You might end up having to ship the car separately. (To get to Russia from England, the obvious route would be the either the Chunnel or a car ferry from Kent to France. There are also ferries from northern ports such as Hull and Newcastle to Belgium or Holland. From France, you'd continue to Belgium. From Belgium or Holland, you'd travel across Germany, Poland, and Belarus into Russia).

I would recommend the Lonely Planet guides for each country you will pass through for this kind of travel. They tend to cover the details of travel by car. In any case, I would also contact the embassy or consulate in Britain of each country you plan to enter for information about which border crossings and roads are open and what formalities are required. These details change, and a published guide may already be out of date. You should probably also expect to "tip" border guards at some of the borders east of Poland and at military and police checkpoints within those countries. Marco polo 21:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I forgot to address the possibility of entering Pakistan directly from Iran. This would involve passing through the Pakistani region of Baluchistan, where there is a guerrilla insurgency underway against the government. Here too, you risk being detained or fired upon by either of the warring parties. Marco polo 21:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

One more note. I have confirmed that there is no passenger ship currently operating between India and Sri Lanka. Passenger service had been under consideration, but I think that the recent upsurge in violence in northern Sri Lanka and the danger of attacks on passenger vessels make it unlikely that service will be established in the near future. That means that your only option to get from India to Sri Lanka would be to fly, unless you could arrange a berth on a cargo ship. For that, you would need to research firms operating cargo ships between the two countries and then contact the firm directly. If you are lucky, perhaps they would agree to ship your car as well. Marco polo 21:37, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Reading the U.S. State Department's word on road travel in Kazakhstan, you might just want to save your adventuring until a time when traveling through central or south-central Asia is safer. -- Mwalcoff 00:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

If you don't mind waiting three hundred years. Bhumiya (said/done) 02:21, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, according to Children of Men Kazakhstan will be a glowing pile of atomic rubble in 20 years. User:Zoe|(talk) 20:48, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

300 years is probably a bit low:( Maybe in a thousand years it might be safe for a little while:( Or it might not:)Hidden secret 7 18:37, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Central asia is beautiful and very friendly GO! Don't listen to the nay-sayers. I have a friend who flies back and forth to Kazakhstan often to visit family and I myself spent a month in Uzbekistan. Something you may want to consider would be the rally from london to mongolia/beijing using very small cars. 162.83.207.38 21:10, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia Reference Desk Tutorial Video

I am currently preparing a video tutorial on how to properly use the Wikipedia Reference Desk. Can anyone suggest where I should upload it? --80.229.152.246 20:38, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

If it's in ogg format, I'm sure they'd love to have it at the commons. (ogg is needed because not only the content, but the format for such material needs to be free). Otherwise, I recommend YouTube, Ultrashare or Savefile. - Mgm|^(talk) 21:21, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I would like to see when you're finished or help you if you don't mind. X [Mac Davis] (DESK|How's my driving?) 00:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

As would I. I suggest ogg theora/vorbis and uploading to commons --froth^T 02:38, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Me too. Maybe a wikiproject page on your userpage for it? --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 07:35, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Thanks for all the advice. Just one other question, does anyone know any free video editing programs that support Ogg Theora? Thanks. --80.229.152.246 17:22, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Youngest sailor across the Atlantic Ocean

I know the current record holder is Michael Perham who was 14 when he crossed and I know he took the record from Seb Clover. I also found a reference to the fact that the previous record holder, the one before Seb was 16 when he/she crossed the big pond. Can anyone with a record book or some other source tell me his/her name? If you can, please let me know on my talk page. - Mgm|^(talk) 21:18, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

• Additional note: If the person I'm looking for is mentioned in the Guiness Book of World Records, they're probably in one of the editions prior to the 2004 edition in which Seb appeared. - Mgm|^(talk) 21:42, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

As far as I can tell from by 1972 edition of Guinees book of records it could be samuel brooks:)Hidden secret 7 19:48, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Will he be back? (removed!)

Removed to Wikipedia_talk:Reference_desk#Removed_question --froth^T 02:37, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Pictures

What in Miami, Florida are you Wikipedians doing to every Muchachitas picture? You can't just take every Mundo de Fieras picture away from yourselves and everybody else.

Sorry, that's not a comprehensible question. Please explain what your complaint is. --Tagishsimon (talk)

I assume uploaded copyvio images were deleted.  --Lambiam^Talk 12:01, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Niger/Nigeria

A person for Canada is called a Canadian. A person from Nigeria is called a Nigerian. What's a person from Niger called? My logic says a Nigerian, but how would you know if Nigerian refers to a person from Niger or Nigeria?

The second paragraph of our Niger article discusses this very question. Consulting the article is often the best way to get an answer. --Tagishsimon (talk)

It invites another question: what is the French adjective for Nigeria? Answer (from the French article): nigérian (vs nigérien). Wacky. —Tamfang 17:29, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

January 18

Top Flash Games

Is there a website that rates Flash games on the internet? Jamesino 00:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

The main one that I am aware of is Newgrounds (although it also rates flash videos); it operates in a user-friendly environment, where users upload their own flash animations or games and rate those of others. Related to it would be Armor games, although I don't think they rate their games. V-Man737 02:47, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

UGO player has a rating for each game assigned by users, but if you're referring by actual critics writing reviews, I wouldn't be too sure. bibliomaniac15 04:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Grey hair

Why does grey hair have a different texture from the other hair? On top of the head? It's wirey, but why? t h b 04:01, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

hrm... hum, ...Mmrnmhrm... hair... that may imply a causation. A bit above the paragraph there on aging, it briefly mentions hair texture (your "wirey" being among them! The legends are true!) - unfortunately, with minimal detail. Googley... bedtime... V-Man737 07:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

From the first result of V-Man's google search:

The declining presence of melanin also appears to contribute to the lack of moisture in gray or white hair. So as your hair becomes lighter in color, its texture becomes dryer and coarser. That’s why gray hair tends to be more curly or wiry.

--Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 07:31, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I am so glad there are people like you here to pick up my broken pieces when I get sleepy. ^_^ V-Man737 07:58, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Anytime =P I need it at times too, since I sometimes check before going to bed. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 19:23, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

My hair is slowly getting darker and seems to be less dry than a few years ago:) Things that work one way usually work oppositely the opposite way:@Hidden secret 7 19:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

However hair on my arms is almost white and doesn't seem to be dry and wirey:) Of course this could be becauuse of something totally different, but..:)Hidden secret 7 20:12, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Moral predicament

sort of. I download music like mad. Have tens of thousands of songs. For most of my downloading history, I've downloaded music from mostly dead artists, but now that I've started listening to more modern and Indie stuff, I've begun to feel really bad about downloading. I've decided to give buying music a try for the first time in a couple years, but it's so damned expensive. I have a list of over 200 fairly rare cds that I want to buy, and I just can't spend anywhere near that kind of money. Does anybody know a way I could buy lots of recent and fairly unknown cds fairly cheap (at most $10 a piece)? Since I am buying, I'd really prefer a physical cd to something like itunes musicstore downloads. If I can't find a cheaper way soon, my inadequate will power will dissolve and I'll start downloading again. If you haven't noticed, I'm fairly compulsive about collecting good music. Thanks for any help, if it comes.

Buy secondhand. Amazon.com, eBay, or your local second hand music store or even a pawnshop (if your conscience doesn't sting you). Anchoress 06:28, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Download the rare songs, buy normal CDs when possible or when you feel like it. At least that's what I'd do. Anchoress' suggestion is probably the only way you'll get the CDs cheap - rare CDs don't just go around new for ten bucks a piece. As an alternative, perhaps you could download songs from iTunes or something, find a way to crack the DRM so you can burn them (I don't download from iTunes, so I don't know if this is possible), and do it that way? You're paying for the music, and getting a physical copy of your own. --Wooty Woot? contribs 06:37, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

A rather obvious alternative would be to simply live without the ones you can't buy. You'll survive. Which do you value more, a few CDs or a clean conscience? You need to decide that. --BenC7 12:56, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

hymn (software) does iTunes DRM if you've bought it. 68.39.174.238 23:42, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Honeymoon destinations

I am from India. I am planning my honeymoon somewhere in July. I want to go to a nice place abroad (anywhere) but it should not cost much, any suggestions ? I have shortlisted places like Prague, Budapest, St. Petersburg, Vladiostok, Athens. Whats your say ?59.144.104.185 08:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

On the assumption that you mean Vladivostok in Russia-and you want your marriage to last-I think this is the one place best avoided, with all due apologies to the people of the great eastern port! The other cities have various attractions, though Athens can suffer a little from pollution in the summer. Of all the cities you have listed I personally would choose St. Petersburg, on the other end of the Trans-Siberian railway from Vladivostok; though Prague comes a close second. However, I would not say that any of these places is particularly cheap. Clio the Muse 08:42, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Following the coup in Fiji the prices dropped quite a bit, some more than half priced. Maybe stretch your budget a bit and consider this too? --antilived^{T | C | G} 12:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

For most people, that would be a good suggestion, but given that quite a few of the tensions in Fiji at the moment are surrounding ethnic differences between the Melanesian and Indian populations, it might not be the best solution for saomeone from India! Grutness...wha? 13:50, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

If part of your goal is to visit a cooler climate, I'd take Athens off the list, as it can be quite hot (over 30C) in July. Budapest can also be hot in July. Other places to consider might be Cracow and Riga. I recently returned from a holiday in India, and I can assure you that anywhere in Europe, even Eastern Europe, will be more expensive than just about anywhere in India. Meals in particular can be more than ten times what you would pay for similar quality in India. Marco polo 13:41, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

If you want to go the other way; geographically, figuratively, and in just about every other way, how about the Ssese Islands in Lake Victoria in Africa ? You won't find much European culture there, to be sure, but will find nature on full display. Here is a radio tourism program (Excess Baggage) which mentions the islands, starting from around 21:33 (pick "Listen to Excess Baggage for" at the top, center of [5] ). StuRat 05:28, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

It sounds like you haven't travelled abroad before, so wherever you go in Europe will be a huge novelty and really exciting, and very different to India. Depending on how long you've got, you may be able to visit a number of different places; for instance, you might consider exploring the countryside surrounding some of the cities you visit.

To help narrow down where you might want to go, it might be helpful to start listing what it is you and your new bride might want to get out of your trip. Are you interested in art and architecture? Are you interested in trying different types of food ? Do you like getting out of the city and experiencing nature? Do you have an interest in history - and, if so, any particular area - for instance, are you interested in the Roman empire? Do you want to see any cultural performances - opera, ballet, maybe a rock concert? Or do you just want to cosy up in a luxurious hotel room and get friendly with your wife? If so, why go all the way to Europe to do that? -Robert Merkel 06:47, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Punta Cana, in the Dominican Republic is a very economical place, once you get there. You can stay for a week at a top luxury waterfront resort (including food, drinks& tips) for $600 for two people. It's a short plane ride from Florida, so if you had more money, you could go to Disney World too. If you want to go to Europe and not spend a lot on hotels, try vrbo.com : Vacation Rentals By Owner. If you rent a small apartment for a week, most of them have a kitchen and you could cook meals and extend your funds for shopping and other excursions.

Is it Possible?

i'm a graduate in b.tech,frm the stream electronics and communication....(2005passout).My wish was always to become an architect, but becoz of som unfortunate reasons i had to opt b.tech.... is there any possible way for me to change my domain now???...Ofcourse i knw..i cud join b.arch, but other than tat, any other ways...??? I want to do master's in Architecture i am currently wrking as a software consultant...!!! but i lack interest in it??

• I think I saw you post this before. Did you go back to check what people said? - 131.211.210.10 09:18, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

The following was posted as an answer when you posted to the help desk earlier this week. - 131.211.210.10 09:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

• The people who got you that domain are better able to answer that than we are. If you have any question that is not about Wikipedia, please post it at the reference desk instead of the help desk (this page).- Mgm|^(talk) 11:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Have the "unfortunate reasons" changed that made you study a field other than the one you wanted? Lack of money? Poor grades? Low standardized test scores? Undergrad architecture students practically live in the studio, and learn to go from requirements to concept to model, with an expert serving as their critic. They learn a great deal about the history of architecture, and maybe they learn Autocad. Your cryptic post sounds like you studied electronics and communication, which probably did not include any of the above. So why not imediately enroll in a community college and in a year of evening and weekend classes learn Autocad, and take a course in history of architecture, and a studio course where you build models. If you excel in these, this will confirm your new career choice. Then you might be able to combine these credentials with your probable computer savvy and knowledge of databases and be a useful person in an architecture firm. Get recommendations from your Autocad, studio, and history of architecture teachers, write up a resume, and apply for jobs. You would have many of the initial capabilities of someone with a B. Arch, who is also not really an architect. If you are more hands on than artistic or mathematical, you might go into the construction management end of architecture. You could now or after taking a few courses write up a resume and make a cold call on working architects for an "informational interview" where you are not (theoretically ) applying for a job, but are instead seeking information about the field. You can also interview a professor in an architecture school and ask for suggestions. You can study for and take the Graduate Record Exam (used in at least the U.S) in which you need a good score to gain admission to grad school. So you see, you have a career path as an architectural technician without architect license, or a career path to go to grad school. Maybe you could get into a grad school and do the prep courses I described, but you could try them out at community college for way less money. A second bachelor's degree often only takes 2 years, so you might just enroll and get the B. Arch if your "unfortunate reasons" have gone away. Good luck in your career moves.

a negative calorie food

Since popcorn is a negative food,(meaning it takes more calories to consume and digest it than it supplies.) Can you starve to death if that is all you eat? How long will it take? No butter or other toppings added.

See our articles on negative calorie diet, diet (nutrition), popcorn and starvation. Gandalf61 11:12, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

So the whole thing is basically a (purposely?) mix up between calories and kilocalories (food calories)? --antilived^{T | C | G} 11:59, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

In a way, yes, but there's no distinction in units. 1 calorie (smallcase c) is a unit of energy. 1 Calorie (capital C, usually written just Cal) is the "food calorie" which equals to 1 kilocalorie or 1000 calories. But if you see 1 kCal, they're usually talking about kilocalories, not 1000 Calories. That's why "negative calories" is frowned upon, it's lousy math, or mix up at best. — Kieff 23:42, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't doubt that foods exist which require more energy to digest than you get out of them, although many on the list at negative calorie diet are highly suspect, being either high in sugar (apples, beets, carrots, cantaloupes, and berries) or starch (asparagus, broccoli, cauliflower). The only two on the list I think might be right are celery and cabbage. There might also be some not on the list, like iceberg lettuce and popcorn (as you mentioned). Certainly "foods" with zero calories must require some to digest, so they would automatically be "negative calorie foods". However, I can't see any diet succeed using those. The reason is that those foods taste just awful alone, and if you put anything on them to make them palatable, then they aren't negative calorie foods any more. Indeed, I would think a diet consisting of plain celery, cabbage, iceberg lettuce, popcorn, and water would be abandoned quicker than just about any other diet, perhaps even quicker than fasting. StuRat 04:44, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Dang it, is that why I've been losing weight...? (Being a bachelor has its merits) V-Man737 05:00, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Chocolate Bar

I have a vague recollection of eating a ‘Kit-Kat’ style chocolate bar, during my childhood, which I believe was called a 'Swish'. The bar was available in Australia for several years, however, distribution of the product is believed to have ended during the mid-late 1990's. Has such a product ever existed? What are the names of other chocolate/biscuit products, resembling the ‘Kit-Kat’, that have been produced in the past?

Many thanks to anyone who can resolve this most important issue. 219.90.219.33 11:55, 18 January 2007 (UTC)jasper

The only other one like it I can think of is Cadbury's Breakaway. Grutness...wha? 13:59, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

There use to be (might still be) the Leo crispy wafers by Milka. As far as I remember the Kitkats arrived later in Europe but that might just have been a question of distribution of the product at the time. Keria 14:15, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

We have dozens over here:)172.203.226.64 20:00, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Why do wires *ALWAYS* get tangled?

Hi all. It never seems to fail. Whenever I have a bunch of wires attached by a surge, no matter how evenly I space them apart, I will go back in a month and they're all hopelessly tangled together. Wires for all of my video game systems near my TV do the same thing, despite doing things to prevent it (ie, connecting AV adaptors onto each other). Computer wires are the worst, at least for desktop PC's. Most of the computer problems I have to fix at my family's house they could learn to do themselves if not for the black, stringy jungle in the back. When I put my headphones into my iPod case, no matter how I put them, they always come out in some convoluted way; tangled horribly, with an earpiece way away from the other one, or tied in a knot somehow.

Friends, mere jiggling can't account for this. I'm beginning to think that if you have two or more wires near each other, a natural law will cause them to come together in some sick entwinement. What is it that causes this?

Much help appreciated ! Xhin 13:37, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

As much as I'd love to make some nerdy joke implicating quantum entanglement for your quandry, I think it is indeed "mere jiggling". When your iPod earphones are in your pocket, every step you take carries the risk of a twist occuring. As entropy (from a non-thermodynamics viewpoint) will tend to increase, the wire becomes more twisted; there are many ways for the wires to become twisted, and only one of these is the "good" solution (no twists). Therefore, statistically, it is almost certain that there will be twists in the iPod cable after walking a set distance. Although an interesting meld of chaos and knot theory, there's no magic electrical phenomenon at work.
On the other hand, there may be a good reason for the cables around PC and TVs to twist: these cables probably spent many weeks being transported around factories bunched into tight helixes, so when straightened out, the cables usually want to coil back up. When lots of cables are straighened, they may tend to twist around each other. Laïka 14:56, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

My sister and I came up with a theory of "Magical Knot Gnomes" (and apparently, we were not the only ones!) They come at night and tie things just to freak us out, usually by throwing a little bit of magic knotting dust on them, and poof, everything is entangled. Damn little buggers. — Kieff 23:38, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I think they're the same people who do the socks! --Zeizmic 02:20, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Who, wikignomes? I thought they mainly contributed to articles in small ways; wire-tangling is a much deadlier business than stealing socks and editing... V-Man737 04:04, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

And here I thought those entangled wires were mating. Isn't that where little wires come from ? StuRat 04:26, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I thought they only mated at the factories, the same way they make everything esle. I'll have to check that. | AndonicO ^{Talk · Sign Here} 11:37, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Setting up a webcam to allow time lapse photography might help answer the question of whether the cordss are mating like snakes, or wire gnomes tangle them. It always seemed like there must be a night crew who come into a lab and spend all night tying knots in test leads which were left neat after the last use. Edison 14:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

If one end falls (or is fed) through the coils, then severe knotting ensues. The only way I have sucessfully stored A/V cables w without knotting is indivdually coiled in small transparent plastic bags. Rich Farmbrough, 10:18 20 January 2007 (GMT).

Ah, the need for the bags to be transparent is a clue. Apparently the wires are too embarrassed to mate if they think somebody might be watching. :-) StuRat 07:09, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

This sounds like it could be the work of Gremlins:] They tend to attack anything electrical:) Le Chatelier's principle says that things tend to do the opposite of what we want, so if you tangle the wires up, they might unwind themselves:]Hidden secret 7 14:04, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

That's right, when you twist strands of twine together to form rope they can't wait to untwist to form twine strands again. StuRat 09:43, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

A major cause is likely that the cords were originally spooled or somehow constrained for the duration of their production and shipping. When you unstring them, they attempt to recurl slowly over time. When this happens, you get a curled up mess. If you move them around (Unplug and replug), it's almost guaranteed you'll get a tangle. 68.39.174.238 23:45, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Location of an article

Hi, a challenge here. When 2006 Kolkata leather factory fire was up on DYK, it received this comment on the talk page:

I added the infamous Triangle fire to See also because it, too, involved doors being locked that shouldn't have been. Wasn't there some similar fire tragedy at a chicken plant in North Carolina in the early 1990s as well? Daniel Case 15:06, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

As regards the fire at the North Carolina chicken facory, I have attempted to find some info on it, and have failed. Does anyone here know if Wikipedia has an article on this dissaster, and if not, know of any information that could be used to start one? Blood Red Sandman Open Up Your Heart - Receive My EviLove 16:21, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

September 03, 1991 fire at the Imperial chicken processing plant in Hamlet, North Carolina.[6] Is that the one?—eric 16:45, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

...the case of the Imperial chicken plant in Hamlet, North Carolina, where twenty-five deaths occurred when the factory caught fire. Imperial's owners had padlocked the plant's fire exits to stop petty pilfering of chicken; each of the owners received a ten-year prison sentence for nonnegligent manslaughter. Henry, Stuart (1998). Essential Criminology. pp. p. 1. {{cite book}}: |pages= has extra text (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

a textbook example.—eric 16:56, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much, will work on the article shortly (currently working on bringing 2006 Milwaukee explosion to GA status) Blood Red Sandman Open Up Your Heart - Receive My EviLove 17:24, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

The fire is briefly mentioned in the articles Hamlet, North Carolina and List of disasters.  --Lambiam^Talk 20:57, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that, too. Blood Red Sandman Open Up Your Heart - Receive My EviLove 07:33, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Prolonged exposure to water

Hello there,

I would like to know what the condition would be called that involves your finger tips mainly, and hands, cracking and bleeding when exposed to water for prolonged periods of time?

They're dishpan hands, and I can't find a single good source to back me up (they're all sleazy). Maybe somebody wants to do an article? --Zeizmic 17:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Closest thing I can find is Osmosis which describes the process. But I haven't found a medical term yet. --Measure 19:35, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

You mean prolonged exposure to Dihydrogen monoxide? | AndonicO ^{Talk · Sign Here} 21:15, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Gym(PE)clothes

Yes I know it's an odd question..and neither Gym or Physical Education has any answers.When I was younger,if you forget your PE kit at school you had to do it in your underwear.A quick straw poll revealed this was true of most primary schools in the 70s and even up to the late 80s when I was there.

Nowadays,it seems that most schools have either a store of spare clothes or you simply sit the lesson out.I'd imagine that with the...'earlier development' of the female pupils,there would be a few complaints.Are there any schools out there that still have this rule-and would they be allowed to insist on it?

Lemon martini 17:42, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

It certainly wasn't a rule in our area. Had the teachers tried that stunt they'd likely have been fired. --Charlene 18:02, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

You don't mention which country you are from, though i'm guessing the UK from your description. In the mid to late 1990s, I lived in a small, rural Afrikaans farming community in South Africa. The primary school there would occasionally have children doing PE in their underwear (and bare feet). The community was so isolated that the concerns you allude to didn't appear to concern them. I don't know if that would continue to this day - though I wouldn't be surprised if it did. I very much doubt many schools in any Western country would try that these days. Rockpocket 18:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

IN the sixties underware was P.E. kit for girls (primary) knickers, blouse and plimsoles; boys wore their uniform shorts and plimsoles. Indoors only I hasten to add. Rich Farmbrough, 10:23 20 January 2007 (GMT).

When I was at an English public (independent secondary) school in the late 70s/early 80s it was still usual practice for pupils who'd forgotten their gym kit to have to do the lesson in their underwear. I suspect that it wouldn't be tolerated at state schools today, but I don't know about public schools, which are still more traditional and less painfully politically correct. Although with the modern hysteria of seeing paedophiles everywhere I would be surprised if any PE teacher would be stupid enough to do it - it's probably a dangerous enough profession to be in at the best of times. -- Necrothesp 18:42, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I went to lower school in the early 90's and this policy was still in practice then, although i was always smart enough to remember to bring my kit so as not have to endure it in underwear. I would also have to agree with the previous post in that it is very much unlikely given the current climate (e.g. paedophiles) that it is still done that way. RS

At all schools I attended in Austria in the 80s and 90s when you forgot your PE clothes, you would have to do the lesson in your normal street clothes. Aetherfukz 14:43, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Locating a city in the US

Hi! I am trying to locate some cities in the US that have the following characteristics: 1) no snow, 2) dry heat, 3) not near/on a fault line, 4) near body of water (lake or ocean). I've noticed that Wikipedia lists all of this type of information, but I'm not quite sure how to do a search for a city based on these characteristics. Can you please provide any help? THANK YOU IN ADVANCE!!!!

Las Vegas seems to fit that criteria (its near Lake Mead) Rockpocket 18:22, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Or how about Lake Havasu City, Arizona? Rockpocket 18:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

It snows every few years in Las Vegas, and both of these cities have snowy areas within an hour's drive. Las Vegas even has its own ski hill - with natural snow. --Charlene 18:29, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I just checked with accuweather.com - it snowed two weeks ago in Las Vegas. --Charlene 18:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Try Roosevelt, AZ. Right next to a big lake, probably only snows once every few decades. Bit far away from any large cities, though, but if you don't mind small-town life... --Measure 18:57, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I definitely want a bigger (but not huge) city that has a lot of diversity with regard to its people and things to do.

Southern California seems to be the only likely place for all of these:)

Go to San Diego. I live in Scotland but boy oh boy, do I wish I lived in San Diego - for all the reasons you seek, but this has to be Paradise on Earth. Yet I have a friend who lives there - who wants to emigrate to Canada????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Conversely, I'm from Scotland but live in San Diego. Let me tell you, over the last week it has been so cold here it feels like Edinburgh. Plus there is currently snow less than an hours drive from here too.Rockpocket 07:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

San Diego, however, is near several fault lines and, like nearly all of California, is prone to earthquakes, as you can see on this map. To be honest, I'm not sure that you can satisfy all of your criteria. Las Vegas is about as close as you can get, and I'm not sure that it can claim "diversity with regard to ... things to do". The casinos, fake volcanos, and replicas of European cities are amusing the first time you see them, but, unless you are a gambler, I think that they tend to lose their appeal. If you did not need to be near a body of water, you could consider Tucson, Arizona (culturally and aesthetically richer, I think, than Phoenix, Arizona, which might be another option), and if your heat didn't have to be dry, you could consider southern Florida. Marco polo 20:43, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I would have suggested Albuquerque, New Mexico, which has a lot of things to do, but it does snow from time to time. How humid does Austin, Texas get? User:Zoe|(talk) 20:55, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I think that Albuquerque gets some snow most winters, though it tends to melt quickly. Austin tends to be rather humid and very hot in summer, and it can be quite chilly in winter. Snow is unusual in Austin but not unknown. Marco polo 21:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Look through this list; you might find a non-humid lakeside city. Might... | AndonicO ^{Talk · Sign Here} 21:22, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

If you find any place in Florida that doesn't have horrid humidity, it would make news.  :) User:Zoe|(talk) 21:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, plus I would think requiring no snow and dry heat might cancel each other out, humidity tends to be a temperature regulator, take it away, and the temperature range expands quite dramatically, its why it can get so cold in desert climates during the night. It seems unlikely you'd be able to find somewhere with dry heat, that doesn't at least get a small amount of snow every now and then. Cyraan 21:38, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

First of all, thank you to everyone for your replies!! It seems like my criteria is very hard to meet... I definitely could not do FL because of the extreme humidity. I was recently in San Diego, and I was surprised by how cold it got at night. Some people have recommended northern California (mild winters with very little to no snow, not very much affected by the earthquakes in central & southern california, close drive to the ocean, and still have warm weather.... Are they right??

Ummm, 1906 San Francisco earthquake? Loma Prieta earthquake? Almost all of California is subject to earthquakes. Being from NorCal myself, I can definitely tell you that it's colder in NorCal than in SoCal (which is I live in SoCal). howcheng {chat} 00:56, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

What part of Northern California are you thinking of? San Francisco is bitter cold (Mark Twain once said the coldest winter he ever spent was a summer in San Francisco), where it rarely reaches 80 degrees. The Sonoma area is warmer, but it does have cold winters. It's freezing in the Sacramento area right now (and every winter), and temperatures rise to above 100 most summers. User:Zoe|(talk) 03:06, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

How about Honolulu, Hawaii? --Spoon! 01:37, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Honolulu doesn't really have dry heat. Perhaps the place in America that best meets the user's criteria (except for the "city" part) is the island of Niihau. Unfortunately, unless he's a native Hawaiian or marries into the family that owns the island, he probably wouldn't be able to move there. -- Mwalcoff 04:05, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I moved to Tucson Arizona for many of the same reasons you cite. Don't like humidity, want to tennis outdoors all year long. You don't say how far away water should be, but Tucson is about a 2 hour drive to Rocky Point, Mexico, which I'm told is a great diving destination. Of course, you could always move somewhere with a pool! Arizona has something like 13 different microclimates so pretty much any climate you want is within driving distance. Lorraine 68.32.219.247 16:01, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

There might be some lakes in Iraq:]

I've been hearing a lot of good things about Redding, CA? Any input on the Shasta area??

I still can't figure out why you'd want to live in a place that's so intolerably, unbelievably hot. Heat is so horrendously uncomfortable - you can always put another sweater on if you're cold, but you sure can't take your skin off when it's too hot. --Charlene 10:51, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I just simply prefer heat to cold.... Personal preference. I actually hate having to bundle up and layer on clothes.

tax exemptions

guarante prices on tax extemptions

That seems like a good idea. I'm in favour of that too.  --Lambiam^Talk 21:04, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. Cyraan 21:32, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't get it, can you explain what that means? 68.39.174.238 03:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

High heels

Do women really like to wear high heels? Personally, I like it when women wear high heels. But I'm a man, and I'm interested in the opinions of women themselves. As much as high heels look pretty, they must be difficult and painful to actually wear. Do women wear them only when it's expected, or when they're trying to please some man, or do they wear also wear them for fun, simply because they like them?

Myself, as a man, I always try not to wear normal blue jeans and tennis shoes, but even a little smarter clothes than that. Black straight trousers and black leather shoes are what I like to wear. Not to please women, but because I myself think they look good on me. But high heels on women are another matter, because they are more difficult to wear and walk in than normal shoes. JIP | Talk 20:23, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, I confess that I wear them, but this depends on the occasion, not consciously to please the opposite sex. Are they comfortable? No, they are not; but we are all slaves of fashion and convention to some degree or other: even men! Clio the Muse 20:46, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Do man like to wear ties? It looks like a form of voluntary self-strangulation.  --Lambiam^Talk 21:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Not me - and when I do wear a tie it is never voluntary. Cheers Geologyguy 21:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Who holds you down and ties it around your neck ? StuRat 07:51, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Quote: "Not me - and when I do wear a tie it is never" self-strangulation. ^{Lack of originality. :-)} | AndonicO ^{Talk · Sign Here} 21:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't like ties either, but they're not as uncomfortable as you might think. They don't impede with function at all (unlike high heels..) and after awhile you don't even notice --froth^T 23:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

But if you don't wear ties, where do you blow your nose ? :-) StuRat 03:24, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Didn't you ever wonder where Greensleeves got its name? JackofOz 03:29, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Any more snotty comments ? :-) StuRat 07:51, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I love ties, I've only had a problem with feeling tight on the neck when wearing shirts that have tight collars. I fix that by making sure the collar size of my shirts is ample. Voila! An extra slab of fancy fabric to express myself with. As per high heels, many of my female friends love them, whether or not men are watching. They do admit the pain of cheap, small ones, but there are many brands that make high-heels with a focus on comfort (Nine West is one that I can remember). V-Man737 01:40, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I like to wear a tie. In fact, I dislike wearing a formal shirt and trousers without a tie. I think it looks untidy. And I don't find them uncomfortable in the slightest. -- Necrothesp 18:51, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I wear heels from time to time - they can be painful indeed! (a good friend actually suffers from ankle problems due to loving heels) But they also make me look tall and slender, and they click while I walk on cement like "Look at me! Don't you love my shoes!" At work, I wear short, stubby heels that are a lot more comfortable, but still fashionable. -sthomson06 (Talk) 23:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah, that clicking is annoying! It probably causes a lot of damage to the surface too, especially if it's brittle like concrete. --froth^T 23:21, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I subscribe to the Dianne Brill school of heels; she says in her book Boobs, Boys and High Heels that a well-fit high heel won't hurt, and that's been my personal experience. I also don't wear high heels for the opposite sex (or the same sex, for that matter :D). Also, while many, many experts say heels are bad for you, a recent study (can't seem to find it, sorry), says (albeit reluctantly) that wearing high heels contributes to good muscle tone, particularly muscles that tend to weaken in well-supported shoes like trainers. Anchoress 23:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it must vary from woman to woman - some actively like wearing them for various reasons, some feel pressured into wearing them, some avoid them like the plague (that would be me). FreplySpang 23:57, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the answers. As for ties, I don't like to wear them either. Sure, I think ties look good on me when I'm wearing a good shirt and jacket, but they're an absolute pain to actually put on. So unlike good trousers and shoes, I only wear ties when it's expected, or when I'm purposely dressing up. JIP | Talk 07:13, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Some possible reasons here. Rockpocket 07:37, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Women do not dress to please men. They never have and they never will. They dress so that other women won't say horrible things about them behind their backs. --Charlene 07:41, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I never thought or claimed women would dress to generally please any men. But I think that some women like to dress to please a particular man, such as their boyfriend or husband. Or am I wrong? JIP | Talk 17:35, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

He dresses to please me! Clio the Muse 00:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

You are. We *say* we do to prop up your egos, but in reality most men don't notice so why would we bother? We dress mainly for ourselves and to make sure we aren't made fun of. --Charlene 10:53, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Famous people who have had medical care at Massachusetts General Hospital

I am working on a speech regarding "Sustaining Excellence". I am referencing Mass General as an institution that has been able to sustain excellence. As such, I'd like to support that by siting people who could choose to have their medical care done anywhere in the world choose to go to Mass General. I know Julie Andrews had surgery on her vocal cords there. Can you please help me with the names of any other famous people?

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide!

FWIW, I'd question the notability of such a list. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information --froth^T 23:22, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Er, never mind I should have read the question more carefully. I thought you were compiling the list for WP --froth^T 19:16, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

<opinion>I think it will be difficult to find such a list, because it would be an invasion of privacy.</opinion> However, having said that, remarkably, its sister hospital McLean Hospital has a section listing famous patients. I'm ever so slightly lazy, so you'll have to peruse THIS GOOGLE SEARCH yourself to find out if MGH has a similar list anywhere. Anchoress 23:58, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if I'd be mentioning Julie Andrews - didn't she lose her singing voice permanently after surgery? --Charlene 08:10, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Isn't it a conflict-of-interest?

It occurred to me: Isn't it a conflict of interest for Jimbo Wales to be the chairman emeritus of Wikimedia while also being the chairman of Wikia Inc. and also the a member of the board of directors of Socialtext Inc., both for-profit corporations dealing with Wikis? In other words, it is conceivable that tax-exempt donations for the establishment and development of Wikipedia could conceivably benefit Wales financially if he uses the same technology or resources for his business partners. 69.138.31.96 21:13, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

You should contact the board with any legal concerns you might have. The reference desk cannot comment on this issue. Hipocrite - «Talk» 21:28, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Please be aware that all contributions to Wikipedia are released under the GFDL (GNU Free Documentation License) and all of the MediaWiki software – the software which runs Wikipedia – is licensed under the GPL (the GNU General Public License). In other words, anyone (You, me, Jimbo) is allowed to redistribute both Wikipedia's content and its underlying software – for free or for profit – as long as the licensing (GFDL or GPL) is maintained on the copied or derived works. If you'd like to try to use Wikipedia's content or software to try to make a profit, feel free to go right ahead.

On the topic of whether or not Jimbo has a conflict of interest, per Hipocrite's comment I'm afraid we can't offer a legal opinion on that here. You're welcome to contact the Wikimedia Foundation's legal counsel if you have questions or concerns about the Foundation's status or its Board of Directors, or if you are concerned that the Foundation has breached its obligations under its own bylaws or the laws regarding charities in the State of Florida. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 21:44, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Good question. The issue is covered by the Wikimedia Inc. Conflict of Interest Policy, to which Wales and the other six directors must subscribe. It is not a problem per se to have a conflict of interest, but it is a problem not to declare such a conflict. Wales' latest "pledge of personal commitment" on the subject is here.--Tagishsimon (talk)

Online Jobs for Teenagers

Hello, all. I was going to put this in the Computer section but I figured it was more of a miscellaneous. I'm soon to be 16 years old and have recently been looking for a part time job, but I want to avoid typical counter jobs and the like and focus instead on web design and programming. Assuming that I knew C++, Visual Basic, and HTML programming, could I get a job doing one or more of the above at any particular (online) locations? I'm not expecting spectacular pay, but it would be something of a foot in the door for me. (Many apologies if this isn't a proper question to be asking...) Robinson0120 21:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Good luck; unless family or a friend wants to employ you I doubt you'll find interesting programming work for a part-time job. Millions of of college grads just spent 4 years and $100,000 to earn the privilege to work those crappy jobs :/ One option you might want to look into is freelance web design; unlike real programming it's not particularly sensitive and it has a pretty good market right now. Ask around at local businesses. --froth^T 23:17, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I would look at local web design companies as well. That's what I did back in high school. However, it helps that you know someone that works there. You can open your own hosting company too, but you probably need help from someone who's 18+, though I don't know the details about that. I guess that does count as a private business. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 00:42, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

You might look into online freelance job sites. There are a number of these and the way they basically work is someone who wants some sort of work done posts a description, you and perhaps lots of other folks bid on how much you'd charge to do it, if you get the job you do it, and the site takes a cut (see Freelancing on the Internet). You're probably not going to make much money doing this (many of these sites are global), but it's probably way less unpleasant than working at a fast food joint. -- Rick Block (talk) 03:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Talk page formatting help

I want my talk page to have the {{signpost-subscription}} template to be on my talk page in the empty space under my archive box and to the right of the table of contents, but I can't quite get it to work. Can anyone please help me? Thanks! Reywas92^Talk_Sigs 22:10, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Theresa's sorted this out. --Tagishsimon (talk)

It works, and I guess I'll keep it this way, but now there's the large empty area above the TOC. Reywas92^Talk_Sigs 00:58, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

You could force the TOC into one cell of, and the signpost & archive box into another cell of a one row, two column table. Perhaps there's also a possibility of employing CSS freakery, but I'm old school. The magic word is __TOC__ --Tagishsimon (talk)

I'm not exactly sure what you mean. Perhaps you could try it? I don't know CSS. Thanks so much though! Reywas92^Talk_Sigs 20:27, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Done --Tagishsimon (talk)

Thanks!!! I've never been very good at formatting! Reywas92^Talk_Sigs 03:32, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

School fires

My school required a fire drill at least once a month. How many fires actually occur in schools per year? Thanks! Reywas92^Talk_Sigs 22:15, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

For the U.S., according to the United States Fire Administration, an average of 5,500 structure fires occur in educational institutions per year.[7]—eric 22:29, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

So that means one out of fifteen schools a year have a structural fire, on average (there are 87,125 schools in the USA). I imagine most of those are not very serious though. In any case, the reason they require drills is because people who have been drilled for emergencies generally react much better when thrust into a real emergency situation than those who haven't. I'm not sure if children would be any better or worse than adults in a fire, at least in terms of psychology (in terms of physiology, their lungs are much smaller), but for sheer political and emotional reasons alone you wouldn't want high fire casualties in a school. --24.147.86.187 23:34, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

See Collinwood School Fire. Serious school fires may be rare, but you don't want to take the risk of being unprepared. In Ohio, we had tornado drills every once in a while, too. Considering the narrowness of most tornado paths, the chance of a given school ever being hit by a tornado during school hours is extremely slim, even in Tornado Alley. But just in case... -- Mwalcoff 00:03, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Just for fun: A typical tornado, about 100 yards in width, might travel for 2 miles for a total path of 0.1 square miles. Ohio gets 14 tornados a year, so on average, we can say 1.4 square miles in the state is affected by tornadoes in any given year. That means in a typical year, a given spot in Ohio (not including water) will have a 1-in-28,297 chance of being hit by a tornado. -- 00:25, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Times three for school hours... Someoneinmyheadbutit'snotme 20:22, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Our articles on risk analysis are rather crappy just at the moment (oh, but risk assessment is quite good. phew.) But Probabilistic risk assessment makes the point that risk assessment is about the likelihood (probability) of occurrence of each consequence and also the magnitude (severity) of the possible adverse consequence(s). Given the possible severity of a school fire, a strategy of regular drills is a very sensible mitigation. --Tagishsimon (talk)

I remember that we had fire drills once a month, even in January, and had to stand outside in the cold, without coats, for a half hour. I recall thinking they are more likely to kill someone by giving them pneumonia than they are to save a life with January fire drills. I started bringing my coat with me to class just in case those idiots picked that day for a fire drill. StuRat 03:18, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

My grade school had fire drill even before the Our Lady of the Angels School Fire but afterwards schools at least in the US were motivated to have clear plans to get everyone out quickly and safely to prevent a recurrence of that horror. A few years after my grade school was closed, when it was vacant, it caught fire and burned to the ground in less than an hour. The building had been a similar firetrap. Edison 14:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Over here we usually have about one every year(drills, not fires:]):) Even less at my last school, which is odd as it is in East Thanet, which tends to have a lot of fires:) They can't be too rarely though as a fire could happen before new students have had their first fire drill:) Couldn't you find a really old school and look at how many fires they have had, instead of how many all schools have each year:?Hidden secret 7 14:15, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

misspelling of "Missouri" on USS Missouri photo

I tried to change the spelling but kept getting dead ends. Photo of USS Missouri sitting off the coast of Korea and firing a salvo was labeled "MOSSOURI", TWICE! Also, the caption read "all hand on deck" and it should be "all hands" with an "s". Misspelling the name of the Ship? Possibly the most famous Battleship of all time. Please correct this. Thanks. I look at Wikipedia everyday and I enjoy it. Sincerely, Boyd D. Dunson

Do you mean in the article USS Missouri (BB-63)? I;ve had a quick look but not found anything. Exactly what is the mis-spelling ... we could search the page for that. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Maybe Mr Dunson is referring to the image titled "Image:Mossouri North Korea Deployment.PNG". JackofOz 23:27, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

He means the filename of this file, I think. You can't rename files though, you can only upload new versions with different names and delete the old ones, which is a delicate operation for files used on multiple Wikis. That one only seems to be used on EN, though. --24.147.86.187 23:28, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I've sorted out the filename business. What about this "all hands" business? --Tagishsimon (talk)

It's there, at the bottom of the picture: She is only about forty miles from the Soviet border, so all hand are at General Quarters.. JackofOz 23:47, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, fixed. Thanks for letting us know, Boyd. --Tagishsimon (talk)

Shipping times

About how long would it take to ship a box (the size of oh, say windows vista) from Texas to Ohio via UPS Ground? I don't deal with UPS very much and I'm worried about how soon I'll get the package. --froth^T 23:26, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Not long. One or two days most likely. Usually you get a tracking number that you can plug into their website and see exactly where it is at what time of the day. --24.147.86.187 23:29, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

More than that if it's UPS ground. I would estimate between 3-7 days. My UPS ground package took 3 days and it's a shorter distance than that. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 00:38, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Why are we guessing? UPS has a shipping time calculator. I don't know what cities you want, but Dallas (75261) to Cleveland (44107) takes 3 days via UPS ground. Go to the calculator and put in your own info. kmccoy (talk) 05:13, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

January 19

Wendy's

I live in Texas, and Wendy's here have a Texas Double hamburger for $0.99-$1.49 depending on where you live. But I've been wondering for awhile, is this a Texas only thing or do other states have it? Also, it's usually not on the menu and you just order it. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 02:32, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a Texas only thing. I don't find it on the menu at [8]. StuRat 03:08, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I've eaten at wendy's a dozen times and I've never heard of it --froth^T 03:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

What does it consist of? It could be an alternate name for one of their products (for example, I once ordered a frosty at Burger King, but still got what I was looking for). V-Man737 04:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

It's basically the $0.99 menu version of a double meat burger, so two thin beef patties (quarter pound total) with cheese. I've been to over a dozen Wendy's across Texas, and I have only recently seen it on the menu. But I've never checked in the rare instance that I go out of Texas. The Wendy's site lists it as intellectual property though. This blog mentions Texas-based burgers. It's starting to sound like no one else has it, or at least not Colorado. I remember I ate these a lot in 2000 cause it was extremely cheap for a decent amount of food. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 05:17, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

A double cheeseburger by any other name would taste as good... Looks like what the website calls a 1/4 pound double stack. Clarityfiend 07:21, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

What! I thought that was called "Wendy's Pennsylvania Double cheeseburger!" V-Man737 08:43, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Menu item names may well have regional variants. The only one I know of is the Mcdonald's "Quarter-Pounder" being called the "Mac Royale" in Israel and possibly other locales where the metric system is used. "-- Deborahjay 14:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

What about other burgers listed in that blog? The "Texas Homestyle Burger" from McDonald's and Burger King's "Texas Double Whopper"? It is interesting that they advertise it to seem like it's regional when it isn't. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 17:04, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Why does Texas always think it's better than everybody and name things like that. We don't have our own hamburger, or toast or anything in Wisconsin.

Dude! You guys have cheeeeeeeese!!! Cheese, Gromit! Who'd ever heard of Texas cheese, anyway...?

We have our own named sushi roll in Seattle! :P --Measure 22:35, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Battery Pack

Six AA batteries arranged in series to create a theoretical 9.0 V battery pack.

Once again, when I am in search of answers, I come to the Reference Desk. Is there a feasible way to create a 9.6 volt battery pack for a remote control car out of regular batteries? Deltacom1515 05:08, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, you can make a 9.0 volt battery pack with 6 1.5 volt batteries in series. What kind of connection do those battery packs have, and how much space? --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 05:20, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I think I should elaborate a bit. It would have to have the capability to keep the car going for 15 minutes (hopefully), there isn't a space restriction, and the original battery pack that came with the car slides in and is connect through contact of the terminals on the battery to those on the car. The only reason I ask is that the company (New Bright) doesn't seem to sell extra batteries anywhere, and I need at least two. Deltacom1515 05:32, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

You should move this to the science desk. But if you connect 6 AA batteries in series like the diagram I drew, it theoretically gives 9.0 volts and the same amount of amperage. And the product in question aren't these 9.6 V battery packs, are they? --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 06:23, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict :P)The problem with making one yourself is that you won't be able to get the exact voltage level required (possibly one reason the comany uses that level). However, Wirbelwind is correct about making a 9v battery, with the problem that your car will be slower and possibly run out of "juice" faster. If you add one more battery to the series, you'll get 10.5 volts; the car will go faster, and its capacitors will probably explode after a while of usage. My ultimate recommendation would be to find rechargeable 9.6v battery packs on the internet - you can recharge them, and they're the exact voltage you need. V-Man737 06:31, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

(Ugh, edit conflict) Ok, multiple responses here. The problem with the New Bright site (and all of the others) is that A. I've already checked those before coming here, B. New Bright doesn't sell them online and I can't find them in any chain store that sells toys (both brick and mortar and online), I guess I could buy one like those links shown by V-Man737, I'd just have to modify the conncector to work with the car. Deltacom1515 07:00, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I thought you'd assumed that you would have to make some kind of modification somewhere. Are you at all experienced in electronics? If so, it should be a piece of cake. V-Man737 08:47, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Two points:

• The voltage probably isn't very critical. The car will probably easily run on +/- 10% and probably even +/- 20%. Under heavy load, the battery pack voltage surely drops.
• 9.6 volts sounds to me like 8 NiCd battery cells in series (with a nominal voltage of 1.2 volts per cell). Which leads me to wonder exactly what you mean by "regular" batteries. Just primary (non-rechargeable) alkaline batteries? Or do you also include rechargeables in the same form factors?

Atlant 13:03, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

It's me, just on another computer. Ha, I was very tired and not thinking straight last night. So just ignore my last post, and everything here pretty much answers my question. Deltacom1515

Technology beating an insurgency

We know now that a conventional army can be destroyed effortlessly by a technological juggernaut. But what advances in military technology would make beating an insurgency--or at least keep casualties extremely low--a piece of cake?

66.91.225.188 06:54, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Future Force Warrior maybe? Deltacom1515 07:04, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Taking the fight to an MMORPG would end the entire concept of casualties. Unfortunately, flame wars would increase.

TBlairH4X0R: Noobs

Al_Q1337: WTF, Saddam got pwned!!!1

V-Man737 09:07, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Do you mean casualties in general, or casualties in your army? For the first, you'd either need great advances in diplomacy and understanding of how people work, or a powerful, non-lethal, incapacitating weapon. Skittle 15:19, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Like I said, MMORPG. Non-lethal, incapacitating. :-P V-Man737 02:36, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

FWIW, the articles on non-lethal force and Active Denial System are veeeeery interesting (to be pronounced like the way Captain Jack Sparrow does). V-Man737 02:40, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

How about robots ? At the very least we could fill the streets with robots bristling with cameras, and transmitting back to HQ, so we would know what's going on without having to put people in danger. The next step is to put guns on board, but the remote control system would need to be robust to allow HQ to control them even during jamming attempts by the enemy. Storing an encryption key long enough (so it wouldn't need to be repeated until the robot returns to base for maintenance) would be simple these days. StuRat 06:58, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Question about Franklin B Lees

I was wondering if anyone could tell me if Franklin B Lees was in charge of building the famous Malinta tunnel on Corregidor island?? If anyone could e-mail me @ (e-mail removed to starve the spambots) It would be greatly appreciated.. He was my great great uncle... Thank you so much Kari Larson

I don't suppose he was a colonel in the US Army? The article on Corregidor mentions that they were the ones responsible for the tunnel's construction, and I found a number of sites referring to a man as "Colonel Franklin B. Lees." Do you know about when he was born? I found an autobiography (ISBN B0006X9HF0) listed on Amazon.com (as unavailable) using a Google search; I also found this "Polars" alumni memoriam on MSN.com. Let me know how I can refine my search. ^_^ V-Man737 11:25, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

If he did build it he has my undying admiration. The tunnel system held up against concentrated Japanese bombing and artillery until the island was invaded, then it withstood concentrated US bombing and shelling until the US re-invaded the island at the end of the war. It was constructed with basically zero budget, using "volunteer" prison labor and TNT from the previous world war which had crumbled and become "unfit for human destruction." Edison 15:09, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Splinters caused by hair

(copied from WP:VPM) ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 16:52, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I was getting my hair cut and the barber complained of having had a splinter caused from a stray piece of a customer's cut hair. While I understand the end of a cut hair may well be quite sharp, I doubt it has the rigidity required to penetrate skin. Calls to barber colleges have produced no authoratative liturature on the subject. A web search uncovered some anecdotal evidence of this phenomenan, however the sources were almost exclusively british. Is this a real event? --Garyvmorris 16:44, 19 January 2007 (UTC)garyvmorris 1/19/07

I don't have a firm answer, but some food for though: paper isn't generally rigid enough enough to penetrate skin either, but paper cuts do happen. Friday (talk) 16:54, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I can't see how it's absolutely impossible, especially if you somehow had it at a perfect right angle of incidence, and the shorter the hair, the more ridget it becomes. Maybe the barber's hand was moving fast and hit a short piece of hair lodged somewhere that happened to be at an angle to penetrate? Still, this is just my theory, since I don't know if it can actually penetrate. And googling, it says closely shaved hair can penetrate skin, although those articles generally deal with shaving, and not a stray piece of hair. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 17:01, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict too!) I have no answer either, save for logic. A short length of hair, say 1 mm, has rigidity. Barbers deal with hair near the tip, often holding the hair tightly with one hand to perform operations on it with the other. The other hand is then in a position to receive a splinter. Probably it would take the newly cut end of a hair to be sharp enough to penetrate skin. Add to that skin softened by hair preparations and logic says it is possible. I'd love to see a definitive answer, since mine is just supposition. Fiddle Faddle

I had a barber in Leeds England who used to complain that every time I went for a haircut, he had to send his scissors to London for sharpening as my hair apparently was so tough. He also told me that many hairdressers of both sexes have to give up their profession due to dermatitis caused by customers' hair penetrating the skin and causing irritation. Not definitive enough to answer the OP I know, but a close shave methinks.

I've personally ended up with beard hairs embedded in my skin or just beneath my fingernails after shaving. It's only occurred a handful of times but I can confirm that it is possible. --Kurt Shaped Box 18:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I've had a hair splinter - my hair is very thick and strong, and a small (3mm long) piece stuck in my foot. It was very painful. Natgoo 20:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

As a matter of fact, British people's hair is much more dangerous than that of any other culture. Just kidding. But here is an article from South Coast Today regarding the dangers of working as a hairdresser, making good mention and detail of hair splinters. V-Man737 00:29, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Now I come to think of it my wife and I used to show English Setters. Part of the show preparation involves trimmimg the very fine and soft coat. She reminded me that she had frequent "hair splinters" from the hair she removed, and that they hurt like hell, and were very hard to see to remove,and usually went into the harder skin of her foot! Fiddle Faddle 00:57, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

It isn't just the tip of hairs that is sharp:( My hair used to be sharp all along it, as if it had a serrated edge:( Whilst it didn't actually hurt, I can see how it could be bad enough to cut someones skin in the right circumstances:( My hair is a lot smoother now that I have stopped using shampoo, so maybe if everyone did that, there would be less hair related injuries:)Hidden secret 7 17:20, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

After reading my inital post, I suppose I should appologize for the British comment. I have talked to eight barber colleges now and none have offered any substantial evidence. Two did report that people with large pores can indeed have a cut hair penetrate that pore and cause pain and infection. I contacted the author of that article Natgoo, and Lauren split her side when I asked for anything she might have substantiating the effect. Now one sees why the British comment.

BTW thanks the person that moved my post to the proper place....still learning. --Garyvmorris 21:52, 21 January 2007 (UTC)garyvmorris 1/21/07

Voting systems

What is the difference between Single Transferable Vote and Instant-runoff voting? Thanks,--Rambutan (talk) 17:41, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

From the article on Voting system:

In the Single Transferable Vote system "...Votes are transferred between candidates in a manner similar to instant runoff voting, but in addition to transferring votes from candidates who are eliminated, excess votes are also transferred from candidates who already have a quota." ---Sluzzelin 18:00, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

From Instant-runoff voting:

"When the single transferable vote (STV) system using the Droop quota is applied to a single-winner election it becomes the same as IRV [...] For this reason IRV is sometimes considered to be merely a special form of STV. However, because STV was designed for multi-seat constituencies, many scholars consider it to be a separate system from IRV" --Spoon! 01:29, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Orchestra Applause Protocol

I saw Nigel Kennedy on TV last week playing the Bruch Violin Concerto in a studio setting with a small audience whilst accompanied by a sizeable orchestral ensemble. At the end of the magnificent performance, Nigel accepted the applause of the audience and then clapped the orchestra himself, who were also clapping him. He then lifted his arms as though to indicate to the orchestra that he wanted them to stand and receive the applause of the audience - but they remained rooted to their chairs. Nigel looked somewhat perplexed until he (absentmindedly) approached the lead violinist who then indicated with raised arms that he wanted the orchestra to stand, which they did unquestionningly. The question here is, does the orchestra usually obey such commands only when given by their leader, or were they making some statement about Nigel's performance?

It sounds like they were at first unsure of what he meant, until they saw the violinist also making the motions, then put two and two together (although it is possible that they may have been making a statement on Nigel's performance, it's probably best to assume good faith in their hesitation. V-Man737 00:34, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Now we're applying Wikipedia protocol to real-life? That's actually not a bad idea. Vranak

OMIGOSH that's the truth. You know you're a wikiholic when you tell people "AGF! Be WP:CIVIL!" V-Man737 06:16, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

• Usually, the conductor bows, then turns to the concertmaster (the lead violinist), who stands, bows, and then leads the rest of the orchestra to do the same. The conductor wasn't following the usual protocol. (All sorts of musician jokes come to mind. I'll spare you.) --jpgordon^∇∆∇∆ 06:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Go on, toot your own horn, we all know you walk to the beat of your own drum anyway. V-Man737 06:16, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Specifically, he violated the chain-of-command. t h b 14:36, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

The orchestral players often applaud the soloist with their hands or by tapping their bows on their stands. This is done while seated, and they don't require anyone's approval to applaud. Maybe things are done differently over there, but in my experience of hundreds of concerts, the only time the orchestra ever stands to receive applause themselves is when invited to do so by the conductor; never at the instruction of the concertmaster (lead 1st violinist). The conductor will often single out particular players or groups for special attention; this is preceded, or followed, or both, by him indicating the entire orchestra stand to receive applause. The concertmaster never does this. JackofOz 01:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Historical weather related events

What historical events were impacted by weather?

I'd look at the Spanish Armada page, for a start. And World War 1 should have stuff, although I can't find it in the article or Western Front (World War 1). Skittle 18:58, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Also look up the nazis' very failed attack on russia during the winter, and the Battle of Agincourt when the heavily-armored french infantry drowned in the mud --froth^T 19:20, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

here and here are some links. meltBanana 20:19, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

• The 1953 flood in the Netherlands was impacted by weather and a lot of weather can be a historical event by itself. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:01, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

The Mongols attempted to invade Japan twice but were foiled by typhoons -- this was the origin of the term "Kamikaze". howcheng {chat} 00:46, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

• Napoleon's march on Moscow(hotclaws**== 01:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC))

• A nuclear bomb was dropped on Nagasaki rather than Kokura as planned, because the weather was cloudy at Kokura. -Anonymous, January 20/07, 02:00 (UTC).

Depending on your definition of weather, I'd say the Tunguska Event (Listed in natural disasters as "space-related") was pretty hard-core active weather. V-Man737 02:49, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

At the Battle of Barnet, two allied forces attacked each other because they couldn't make out each others colours through the fog. Napoleon's march on Moscow in 1812 was grossly hindered by the Russian snow - which also helped save Russia from the Nazis during WWII. Grutness...wha? 02:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Sources quote Napoleon as saying upon his exit from Russia, "it's a bit cold, it's a bit cold." Then Hitler came in, going "I've got a different plan, I've got a different plan" and left going "It's the same one, it's the same one."

Interesting. The OP asked about "historical events" and all but two responders cited military events. Clarityfiend 10:56, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

There was a theory that the ancient civilizations of Ur and Moche both were destroyed by massive El niños. 惑乱 分からん 17:43, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this counts as "weather" or "climate change", but the Viking colonisation of Greenland, and subsequently a bit of North America, was made possible by the warm period about a thousand years ago, which ended with the onset of the Little Ice Age. I can think of another couple (military) examples offhand: two separate Roman disasters were affected by the weather. The catastrophe at the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest was affected by an unusually rainy, stormy, cold September; the weather in this case was allied with Arminius. More than three centuries later, the opposite was the case at the Battle of Adrianople, where the Romans were exhausted after marching in heavy armor in an unusually hot August day (that's not in our article: I may have read that in either Ammianus or Gibbon). Antandrus (talk) 18:18, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

D-Day, 6 June 1944, was delayed due to bad weather. It was originally scheduled for the previous day. Although a military event, I think the greatest seaborne invasion in history also counts as an historic event. As do the others mentioned above. JackofOz 01:32, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

With all the military events listed, I am surprising no one mentioned Kamikaze, the Japanese/Mongol equivalent of the failure of the Spanish Armada. For non-military ones, there have been some massive fires related to droughts like those around the Great Lakes on October 8, 1871 (Great Chicago Fire, Peshtigo Fire, Holland and Manistee in Michigan) Rmhermen 19:10, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I suggest that the predominance of military events is because they are more likely to be affected by weather. Politicians and visionaries, scientists and inventors, all tend to do their work indoors, or if they do need to do something affected by the weather, they can wait until it's right. Not so with armies. Of course any weather-related disaster may qualify as a historic event, as the residents of New Orleans would agree, but I assume the original poster had something other than that in mind.

Incidentally, returning to D-Day, the fact that the invasion took place in bad weather (after being postponed one day due to even worse weather) may have helped it succeed, or at least made the invaders' job a bit less difficult. The Germans knew the assault was coming, but they didn't know when, and assumed the Allies would wait for better weather. So their reaction was slowed. --Anonymous, January 22, 2007, 18:51 (UTC).

0 % Interest Credit card

I was offered a 0% interest credit card by Citi bank in the mail the other day. The 0% feature was for balance transfers to the card until Jan 2008 when the current interest rate (18%) would come into effect. I currently have a secured line of credit with my bank at prime +1%, and I am only obligated to pay the interest each month. My balance is close to 40K (we did extensive renovations) and I pay approx $1000/month - of which close to $200 is interest. If I obtained the new credit card, with a significant limit, and transfered over all or most of the line of credit to the new card - I feel that I would be saving money. Prior to Jan 08 - any balance that I have on the card could then be paid off by transferring it back to the LOC. The only other stipulation is that I need to pay 2.1% of the balance each month (to the credit card company) which is a little less than $900/month (at $40,000). Am I missing something here - or would this as straight forward as I am seeing it?131.137.245.199 19:17, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I had a similar offer in the mail a year or so ago and took it; transferring the balances from my old credit card to the new Citibank card. I figured out how much I would have to pay each month to have it paid off before the interest kicks in and I'm right on track. However, if you owe the bank $40,000 I doubt you'd be able to get a credit limit that high on your Citibank card. You might only be able to transfer part of it. At any rate, it seems straight forward enough to me; but then I'm not an accountant. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 19:56, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Definitely a good idea. Just make sure you make those monthly payments on time, otherwise the rate will probably zoom up to 18%. Clarityfiend 22:45, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

One caveat: once you open a credit card you should leave it open. Opening and closing cards can have a negative effect on your credit history/score even if you never missed a payment etc. The process is a bit counter intuitive though: having a credit card and always paying brings your credit score up, but once that card is deactivated the positive effects of having it disappear thus lowering your credit score. For some reason, I don't think the sum total of it's effects are zero -- not sure why though. --71.255.164.161 23:01, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, do not use this new credit card for any new purchases, because the 0% rate only applies to your balance transfer and if you continue paying the monthly amount you calculated, that will be applied to the balance transfer and your purchases will be subject to interest. This happened to me once, so I ended up having to pay off the entire balance to avoid accumulating any more interest. howcheng {chat} 00:43, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

A financial planner told me a few things about credit cards. Having credit cards open with no balance will help your credit rating because it's based partially on how long you've been with the same companies. Having no credit card over 50% balance helps your rating, so maxing out one card and not having anything on the other will lower your credit score. Having too high of credit also harms your credit score. For example, you have $100k worth of credit over several cards. This raises the alarm that you have the potential of charging $100k and doing something drastic. All these things will affect your interest rates. And this isn't too hard to figure out, but if you have multiple credit cards with debt and different interest rates, paying the minimum amount on the lesser credit cards and putting the rest of your available money to the one with the highest rates is the fastest way to pay your debt off. This isn't 100% relevant, and don't use this as legal advice =P --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 02:42, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Check to see if there is a "handling charge". Still sounds like a good deal though. Rich Farmbrough, 10:36 20 January 2007 (GMT).

Born in Indonesia

I need to determine what is the method for me to find a birth certificate when born in Indonesa? HH Martin (e-mail address removed)

Were you were born in Indonesia and now you live in a different country? Try contacting your closest Indonesian embassy, they may be able to give you a lead. Vespine 01:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Caroline Cossey Artice

Why in the article on Caroline Cossey, who is legaaly female, do you consistantly use the masculine pronouns he him and his. Is this a totla disregard of grammer, ignorance, prejudice or is somebody trying to criminally violate the Civil Rights Act and be sent to a federal penetientary for Ten (10) years. 72.79.194.88 19:54, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, they're all female pronouns already, can you point to any particular spot where one might've been missed? (and FYI, it's hard to threaten a "federal penitentiary" against people on the internet, since we're all from different countries with different laws and different "federal" jails) --Maelwys 20:23, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Do not make or imply legal threats, since that is a violation of Wikipedia:No legal threats. Edison 21:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

• I like"totla" disregard.Is that male or female?(hotclaws**== 01:24, 20 January 2007 (UTC))
• I think it should be illegaal for you to mock that user's grammer. V-Man737 02:33, Twenty (20) January 2007 (UTC)
• What about spleling? 惑乱 分からん 15:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

In reference to the original complaint... The article should use feminine pronouns although at least one user that I know of keeps reverting the changes back to masculine because they feel that since Cossey was born a male, the article should refer to her as a male. The user has had the relevant policies and guidelines pointed out to them but they insist on being difficult. Dismas|^(talk) 03:58, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Modern Countries where Human Slavery/Traffic is still legal or tolerated by officials

I am interested in knowing Country names where it is permissible or tolerated by Law Enforcement Agency's to own or traffic in Human Slaves . I understand that in places like Dubai, UAE there are significent numbers of third world individuals that work for others in unpaid positions. Also I have heard the same tell of Saudi Arabia,and South African Countries. Is this some kind of modern Horror Storey ,or some tale perpetuated by someone with a large imagination? I have an aquaintance who lives in Africa boasts of having several girls and men as slaves on his rural property. Can this possibly be true?

So far as I know, it's illegal everywhere, although it probably still occurs. --Wikify me, captain! 00:13, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

You might find it helpful to read about debt bondage, which is widely considered to be a disguised form of modern slavery. FreplySpang 00:52, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

See our articles on Slavery and Trafficking in human beings. Slavery's current existence has been confirmed in Sudan. Marco polo 03:02, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

January 20

Navy, Airforce or Army?

Are the fighter jets that are launched from aircraft carriers part of the US Airforce or US Navy? Also, I've seen pictures of older bombers and fighters with US Army painted on them. Are they really operated by the US Army or the US Airforce? What about transportation and combat helicopters, are they ever operated by the Navy and Army? If the navy and army both operate and maintain their own aircraft, then what's the point of the US Airforce?

The planes that belong to aircraft carriers are part of the navy. The older pictures of US army aircraft are from when there was no air force. Those planes were operated by the US army air corps. Rya Min 01:12, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't the army still have aircraft though? Certainly helicopters, probably transports --froth^T 04:18, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

There are airborne divisions, sure, for certain types of operations. But during WWII, for example, there simply was no dedicated air force; the U.S. Air Force was established in 1947. --24.147.86.187 04:29, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

The Army Air Corps did the World War 2 flying which was later done by the U.S. Air Force. Naval Avaitors fly planes off carriers. The Marines also flew jets, like John Glenn. The Army has lots of helicopters, maybe also some fixed wing aircraft. No service branch likes to depend onothers. Edison 07:12, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Publishers page of a picket book

On the publisher's page of a picketbook there is a number sequence and there is no description of this number

for example the copy of Dan Brown's "Deception Point" that I have has the following numbers 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1

Another novel I have has 9 8 7 6 5

Doesn't seem to be a pattern that I can see except that the number to the right is always one less but odesn't necissarily stop at 1 or 0

I've tried a couple of different searches but any search wwith novel or book or inside cover produces millions of entries.

Perhaps someone has the answer out there.

The numbers you describe tell you how many printings there have been of that edition. The number at the right indicates which printing your copy is. For example, if the number at the right is '1', then you have the first printing of that edition. If the number at the right is '5', then you have a copy of the fifth printing. Publishers may make small changes or corrections from one printing to the next. Marco polo 03:05, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

When plates are used to print a book, one number is removed at each printing, so the plate doesn't need to be re-set. Rich Farmbrough, 10:39 20 January 2007 (GMT).

So if I have a book that has 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 I have the first edition. If I have a book that says 10 9 8 I have the eighth edition?

Not an edition, which usually entails significant changes or updates, but a printing of a particular edition, which as Marco Polo says may include small corrections (or none). Geologyguy 20:23, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Furthest point from the sea?

Where is the point that is the greatest distance from the sea in world? Thanks, have a great day! Aaadddaaammm 07:33, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

See pole of inaccessibility, and more answers at extreme points of the world — Kieff 08:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Specifically, the Eurasian Pole of Inaccessibility is the point on land that is furthes from any ocean. It lies in Northern China and is 2,645 km (1,645 miles) from the nearest coastline. Incidentally, the Southern Pole of Inaccessibility, in Antartica, has just been reached by a 3 man team for the first time since 1958 and for the first time ever without mechanical assistance. Gandalf61 16:12, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Australia and the Netherlands.

I'm in Australia, one of the most sparsely populated nations on the planet. I'm curious about the Netherlands (one of the most densely populated nations on the planet). What's the situation regarding backyards, swimming-pools, the size of houses, cost of living/cost of housing, etc? Aussies who have visited the NL (or vice verca), what differences are the most noticable and obvious? What was surprising? Pesapluvo 10:34, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

What is already surprising is asking about swimming pools! The climate is not really conducive to people installing them in their gardens. Fiddle Faddle 11:05, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Just dig a few holes in a dyke and you have a nationwide swimming pool like in the North_Sea_flood_of_1953, just one of the numerous floods_in_the_Netherlands. Remember the Netherlands has quite a few big cities and populated harbour for a modest territory size which makes its population density high, it doesn't mean that everybody is rubbing shoulders or that you can't walk on its coast or in the countryside without meeting anyone. Of course it's hard to compare it to the shear immensity of Australia where, I imagine, you could walk for weeks without meeting a soul. In the Netherlands it only takes a few hours to drive accross the country. Keria 12:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't know about Australia, but I know that in Europe, despite the high overall population density, more of the land is rural than it is in the eastern United States. European cities are very high-density and take up far less space than American cities of comparable population. The municipality of Amsterdam takes up less space than the city of Cleveland, Ohio, even though Amsterdam has 50% more people and includes some farmland. But the cities and villages that do exist are far closer to each other than are population centers in America. The European countryside typically consists of villages just a couple of kilometers away from each other. There is nothing like the empty plains of Nebraska in Central or Western Europe.

As you may expect, European cities tend to lack big house-lots with swimming pools. To give you an example, only 22.5% of English houses are detached. In Manchester, that figure is only 4.3%. A typical English house would be a two-story building of maybe 1,300 square feet connected to a dozen other such buildings (rowhouses), with no driveway and perhaps nothing more than a 500-square-foot patio in back and tiny flower garden. And that house might cost £250,000! People who want a bit more space (and can afford it) typically move to a "commuter village," where the house may not be all that much bigger, but you're surrounded by fields instead of miles of crowding.

As an American who has lived in a European city, I can tell you that the biggest impression I got was one of crowding and lack of privacy. You're surrounded by people all the time, and your spirit is sapped by a lack of greenery around you. But the great thing is, you hop on a bus or train, and in 25 minutes, you're in the type of beautiful countryside that would take you hours to get to by car from the suburban sprawl that now covers so much of the U.S. -- Mwalcoff 04:00, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

And that's what I like about living downtown in a small city in the Western US: I can step out my front door, start walking south-west, and in 20 minutes, I'm in the middle of a forest. --Carnildo 23:16, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Skin whiteners for men

At the expense of sounding slightly dodgy:

Is there a product out there which lightens skin complexion for men? Have a dark, unhealthy pallor on my face right now which doesn't really do wonders, if anyone out there's remotely aware of a product that's unisex or for men or just something that works then yes, throw a recommendation over. Thanks Harwoof 11:21, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Why would gender matter here, I wonder? 惑乱 分からん 15:12, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

pH balance, I'd imagine. this Google search seems to be right on track. Browsing through a few of the articles, it seems that this is some serious business. The topical creams are expensive, and the pills are ...questionable. If you are really concerned about your complexion, perhaps a visit to the dermatologist would be recommended before using any of this stuff. V-Man737 19:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

If you have an "unhealthy pallor" you might wish to see a doctor to make sure it is not the result of an illness or metabolic anomally.Edison 04:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

DTS vs AC3 Sound on DVD Surround Sound

I have an LG 5:1 Sound System attached to my DVD player. As a rule I find that if I want to achieve sound anything near to that heard in a theatre, I have to turn the volume right up to maximum (quality remains fine though) - I have however noticed that this only applies to Dolby AC3 sound which is on about 95% of DVDs I have encountered !. On "normal" stereo , as well as PCM sound (such as Audio CDs) this is not a problem and "impressive" sound is obtained at moderate volume levels. I noticed today on a DVD that had the Option of Dolby AC3 Audio (5:1) or DTS 5:1 that the AC3 is mediocre as diescribed above, whilst the DTS is outstanding ! Question then - have I missed some basic setting, or is this normal ? My options are limited to things like Dolby Digital Out: PCM or Bitstream, MPEG2 Digital Out: PCM or Bitsream, DTS: On or Off. (Have read the articles on DTS and AC3 without much luck in solving the problem). Thanks in advance ! --Dr snoobab 13:27, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Many indications are that Digital Theater System is better. --Zeizmic 14:02, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I certainly have found that in a side-by-side comparison that DTS sounds better. However much of that sensation is because DTS is encoded louder than AC3. Sound perception is very tricky to quantify. --Mdwyer 00:39, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

What is that number on the publisher's page of a book

deleted per OP request... --froth^T 18:05, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

A few questions...

First, I have to ask... no offense, but don't you have e-mail? I just spent about 15 minutes trying to figure out how to contact you! Nothing is more annoying than these automated response systems. I understand that direct e-mail might be inconvinient for your organization, but there must be a better system than this.

You see, I would like to discuss the possibility of uploading some images to articles that are not illustrated, like for example; I specialize in drawing Deities and Mythological creatures, and I noticed that many articles on Gods are without portraits.

But I've never edited an article before - and franky, if it's half as complex as contacting you than I'm not sure I want to. Furthermore, I don't even know if I would be allowed to upload an image to another person's article. Do I need their approval? Do I need your approval?

All I'm saying here is that it would make my life a thousand times esier if I could just e-mail you some images for review. Please Advise!

Orbituary 19:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I have answered your questions on your talk page Rockpocket 20:27, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

There is no "you" to contact — Wikipedia is a voluntary effort of thousands of volunteers. There is no one administrator over articles or anything like that. --24.147.86.187 02:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

There is a Contact Wikipedia link in the left-hand side-bar of every Wikipedia page. Contacting the appropriate people via Wikipedia is actually quicker and easier than contacting any other organization I can think of.--Shantavira 09:46, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

sports roster

how to get a high school sports roster, not from their web site, any sport

Email the school? Their address should be available on the web site for the school. Dismas|^(talk) 03:54, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Music question russian theme

Hi, i'm looking for the name of a song which has a russian themed music video. it is not a russian song, maybe american or british. It is sung by a female quite a recent song, has lots of men doing that famous russian/ukranian dance and a very soviet feel to it, i think it has 'daddy' in the title or part of its lyrics, its quite a poppy ssong sorry for being so vague. 89.240.204.223 21:35, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

• Wouldn't happen to be Take Me Back To Your House by Basement Jaxx? KingstonJr 21:54, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

The german flag versus the swastika during the war.

Flags of Germany (And Encompassing Empires) Across Time
Medieval flag of the Holy Roman Empire (1200 to 1350)
Holy Roman Empire ("Imperator Romanorum Semper Augustus") (until 1410)
German Confederation (1815-1866, Flag adopted in 1848)
North German Confederation (1867-1871), German Empire (1892-1918)
Weimar Republic (1919-1933)
Weimar Republic (co-official, used in foreign service, 1921-1935, then forbidden by National Socialists as "reactionary")
Third Reich 1933-1945 (jointly with previous flag 1933-35), now forbidden in Germany)
(Flag of West Germany) (1949-1990) (Flag of East Germany) (1949-1959)
(Flag of the German Democratic Republic) GDR (1959-1990) (forbidden in the Federal Republic of Germany until 1969)
(Flag of Germany today)

Hi, Having a little historic Question. during the WWII the german reich manely used the famous, or infamous ( as you see fit) swastika on a red backgroud as a flag. I happen to have one of those military jackets where you can see a German flag on the shoulders. As it happens the jacket comes from the us army forces nowedays based in Germany. I often get comments on why, and how i can wear this kind of symbol ( i live in Belgium ). My ansewr usually is; the German flag was NEVER used by the Nazi party, and poeple should read their history books. Therefore i think i'm wearing the flag of a democratic country wich is now part of the E.U. . Am i correct in assuming that the german flag was not/never used by the Nazi's during the war, and that i am therefore not promoting the nazi idee's ?

Thank you for your answer. Maxime Ghyoot.

You would be right. Our article on the German Flag says:

When the Nazis came to power in 1933 the black-red-gold flag was entirely removed and replaced with the black-white-red, though they would eventually, on September 15, 1935, replace virtually all German governmental flags with designs based on the swastika flag that had been their party flag. It featured the same colours as the Imperial flag, but it was arranged as a red flag with a white disk in the centre containing a black swastika. The old black-white-red flag was then banned by the Nazis as "reactionary"

The table to the right shows a timeline of all the flags used by Germany throughout its history. Rockpocket 23:31, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Sad the Weimar flag isn't used anymore. I like the colors much better than the standard German flag. 惑乱 分からん 23:49, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

You seem a little unclear on this question: the black-red-gold flag, the official flag of the Weimar Republic (and the German Confederation before that) is still in use in modern Germany. What is not in use is the black-white-red flag of the Kaiserreich, still favoured by conservative nationalists before the Nazis (and used in the foreign service). Incidentally, the political right was prone to refer to the republican tricolour as black-red-yellow, in reference to the supposed cowardice and betrayal that led to the creation of the Weimar State in 1918-19. Clio the Muse 00:43, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Clio's right -- the Nazis hated the black-red-gold flag. So Maxime is right to say that the current German flag has nothing to do with the Nazis whatsoever. That said, Germans tend to be a bit wary of any type of outward nationalism, even that of democratic, republican Germany. So you're unlikely to see many Germans wearing those jackets the way you'll see Canadians wear maple leafs on their backpacks. -- Mwalcoff 03:10, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Perception is sometimes more important than truth. --Nelson Ricardo 03:12, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink

Can anyone tell me if Jan Vennegoor of Hesselink's full surname is written on the back of his football shirt? Or does he have an abbreviation like Stelios Giannakopoulos, whose surname is too long to go on his shirt, meaning that he has to have 'Stelios' written on it instead? Ta! Phileas 23:52, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Judging by the picture here [9], he has his whole surname on the back. --Kurt Shaped Box 00:03, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. When he joined Celtic it was reported that he insisted his full name be used on his shirt. So its written in almost a full semi-circle across his shoulders. Rockpocket 00:47, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

What did Rafael Scheidt (not sure of the exact spelling) have on the back of his shirt when he was at Celtic as a matter of interest? I know that the commentators always referred to him as 'Rafael' on the radio (probably to avoid laughing out loud). Danny Shittu's name must also pose a problem for them... --Kurt Shaped Box 00:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

According to The Observer: "Even the club's understandable decision to put [Rafael Scheidt's] first name on his shirt rebounded, upsetting his father." [10] This image seems to suggest Shittu uses his surname, as did Stefan Kuntz. If comedy surnames in sport is your thing, this might amuse you. Rockpocket 06:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

They missed out Johan de Kock, Argelico Fucks, Uwe Fuchs, Brian Pinas, David 'Spunky' Seaman, Francisco Arce, Quim, Frank Amawankah, Paul Dickov, Zdenko Muff... Heh, this should be a whole new topic... ;) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kurt Shaped Box (talk • contribs) 09:42, 21 January 2007 (UTC).

Thanks for that! I looked for photos earlier but couldn't find any! Phileas 02:06, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Orgasm + Zoloft

Before i started taking Zoloft (100 mg) I could masturbate in 5-10 minutes. I am now taking Zoloft each morning and i tried to masturbate and it took me almost 1 hour. What can i do to go back to normal?? This is really frustrating! i am a male

Here at Wikipedia, we cannot offer medical advice. I would recommend you see your a doctor and ask him or her. If you wish to learn more about the published and reported side effects of the drug on sexual function you can read Zoloft#Side effects and Post SSRI Sexual Dysfunction, and the references therein. Rockpocket 00:51, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Talk to your doctor about the side effects of Zoloft. Are you male or female? t h b 14:31, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I would be honored to meet a female who could masturbate in 5-10 minutes. V-Man737 14:47, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Honoured V-Man? I would be bloody amazed!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.145.242.66 (talk) 17:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC).

Gentlemen, please... this is a little crude. Vranak

Time Zones Crossed

Help,How many time zones are crossed Toyko--Mexico City? by airplane Pl;ease —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.90.254.148 (talk) 01:46, 21 January 2007 (UTC).

Looks like ten (when it is noon in Japan, it is ten PM in Mexico City). V-Man737 01:57, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Assuming, of course, the most direct great circle route.... Dismas|^(talk) 03:32, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Newsstands

Do newsstands pay the same prices for magazines as home subscribers, or do they get a further discount for buying multiple copies of each issue? NeonMerlin 01:50, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I would seriously suspect the latter. Vranak

I understand that they can order the magazines and the copies that do not sell can be returned to the publisher and some of the money they paid is given back. This is much the same with newspapers too. The suppliers will send them a number of each magazines to stock on their stalls. I would be suprised if they did not get them at a discounted rate (even more so than home subscribers) but I do not know the economics/setup of newsagents enough to say for sure. ny156uk

Not quite what you were looking for but I do know that unsold copies are taken back when the new issues are dropped off. I've inquired before about getting the previous issue of various magazines at various shops and have been told the same thing every time. Dismas|^(talk) 09:44, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

No, yes. -t h b 14:29, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

National Masturbation Day

Is it wrong for me to want to remove National Masturbation Day from the May 7th page. May 7th is special to me and I think that having that day listed as that is a stupid thing to have on Wikipedia. If Kleenex tissue wanted to make July 4th National Pick Your Nose Day, I don't think that would be appropriate. Is there anything I can do to have the Wikipedia entry for May 7th cleared from that title.

I went ahead and gave this section a title. Wikipedia does not remove info. based on offesnsiveness or ruining your special day. It might be removed if deemed purely commercial. --Nelson Ricardo 03:08, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Or, of course, if it doesn't actually exist. Are their sources which back this up ? StuRat 06:27, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

It seems to have been declared unilaterally by a San Francisco sex shop. I'm going to remove it...all by myself. Clarityfiend 07:46, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Really? It doesn't seem so by this google search. Is there an international body that sanctions special days? Anchoress 08:10, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, really. I checked all the links in the article itself and many of those Google turned up and couldn't find any official recognition. Clarityfiend 20:10, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

And who indeed would you expect to have the authority to give it official recognition? t h b 23:42, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Exactly. I'm offended by the notion that I have to seek and obtain approval from some august body in order to declare any damn day I like "National Jack Day". Nobody's going to bother to deny my right to such a declaration. The worst case scenario (and funnily enough, the most likely scenario) is total and absolute indifference. But whether there should be a Wikipedia article on my self-declared day is another question altogether. JackofOz 01:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, a national or even a state government would be nice. Clarityfiend 01:58, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Of course, there's already an article on the International Talk Like a Pirate Day. 惑乱 分からん 14:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm...I see that January has 4 days with similarly minor "holidays". So avast ye swab, I proclaim today Intergalactic Ignore Spurious Holidays Day. Clarityfiend 20:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Concealed firearm

Can someone give me the name of a major city in which it's legal to carry a properly-licensed concealed handgun for personal defense? --froth^T 04:51, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Miami, Florida --Justanother 04:56, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Applying for a license to carry a concealed weapon or firearm for self-defense is a right of law-abiding Floridians.

--Justanother 05:00, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Woah - check out http://www.packing.org/ --Justanother 05:02, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah, very useful thanks --froth^T 08:54, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I believe in addition to the places where citizens can carry a concealed weapon, there are places in the U.S. where a permit is needed to carry a concealed weapon, but it is perfectly legal to wear a pistol openly in a holster like they were living in the wild west. Smile when ya say that, podner! In Texas, a looney went into a cafeteria and spent a very long time shooting 43 people (20 died) and reloading. The people of the state decided that if a few other people in the cafeteriaz had been packing, lives would have been saved on that occasion. Edison 17:32, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Mystery drug

−←a drug in the u.k that can help with cannabis detox.(may be called moroband)

i heard on the radio about this drug that people may use also for slimming purposes. i'll appreciate if anyone can help.220.235.193.184 05:36, 21 January 2007 (UTC)moti daaom

Section header added by froth^T --froth^T 05:46, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Nope, doesn't exist, you have to either not use drugs for the length of time it takes for the drugs to clear your body (varies by drug and sometimes frequency of use) or substitute urine from someone who has clean urine. Sorry. -t h b 14:28, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

You are probably thinking of things like Goldenseal, which are sometimes marketed in this fashion. There is really no good evidence that they do any such thing. --24.147.86.187 15:58, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Unresolved question from 16th, Headphones

I posted this on Jan 16 without resolution so I figured I'd repost.

Can anyone help me to find decent quality circumaural headphones for under ninety dollars with a good range (at least 20 hz to 20.5 Khz) and even frequency response (low bias toward or away from any frequency range), or at least reasonably so for the price? And not wireless? And don't say Sennheiser HD 497; they're apparently discontinued. Thanks. Someoneinmyheadbutit'snotme 04:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Sony has never let me down; those are 99 bucks, though... *still searching* these cost $35.49, making me wonder what's wrong with them (site lists full details); this Google search provided those links. For the sake of optimism, this might interest you. V-Man737 05:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for tryin'...the second Sony ones were wireless (forgot to specify that in the original query). Someoneinmyheadbutit'snotme 21:34, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

I concur, even $30 Sony headphones are great, and they seem to last much longer than usual. Vranak

The $35 ones are used ("recertified"), that's why they're so cheap. |-THB 23:58, 16 January 2007 (UTC) Am I going to have to remove this flaming remark? ;-) V-Man737 02:32, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

For future reference, solution found. [11]. Someoneinmyheadbutit'snotme 04:17, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Exercise areas

I've apparently got to know the names of about twelve 'exercise areas' such as tennis courts or gyms so I can detail the health and safety risks associated with them. However, no Wikipedia or Google search seems to have a definitive list as I assume there is. Where can I find just the names of exercise areas? 217.43.246.43 13:03, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Why do you need a "definitive list" ? You could just think up your own list of exercise areas. Here's a few to get you started - playground, park, swimming pool, athletics track, cycle track, football pitch, golf course ... Gandalf61 13:25, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Why not try here: list of sports, then extrapolate the 'areas' from the sports? Anchoress 13:32, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Italian army assaulting fruitlessly over and over again

The title says most of it. I am looking for the article which SHOULD cover the event during WWII, where Italian military made repeated identical attempts at taking an Allied position (I believe it was, at least), each time failing miserably. The repeats were reasoned from the commander by that THIS time, THIS time they wouldn't expect the same attack! Thanks! 81.93.102.185 13:54, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Ethiopia? Oh, heh, wait... ;-) V-Man737 14:58, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I would like to help, but your outline is a little to vague for me to proceed. Are you able to narrow down the particular theatre of operations? Was it North Africa, East Africa, Greece, Albania or Sicily? Could it possibly have been one of the engagements in Italian East Africa in 1941? Any additional detail you are able to supply would be helpful, especially if you know the names of the regiments or division involved. Clio the Muse 14:51, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

maybe you have the attackers and defenders mixed up and you are thinking of the Battle of Monte Cassino meltBanana 19:06, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the answers so far, though they seem wrong. It was indeed the Italians that attacked, though I don't know who they attacked. It happened in Italy is all I know, so no, not in the deserts. It may have been regiment, brigade or even a lower division. As I said earlier, the emphasise on the failure comes from that the commander in charge, charged his men towards the same fortified position perhaps a dozen times, using the same route and plan every day for perhaps a month, more or less. 81.93.102.185 20:33, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

If you're sure this occurred in Italy proper it is unlikely to have happened in World War II as the Italian government surrendered 5 days after the first landings. In World War I Italy tried to invade Austria-Hungry and attacked no less than 11 times on the Isonzo river (see Italian Campaign (World War I) for details. Perhaps this is what you were thinking of? Lisiate 20:56, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

(After edit conflict) Thanks for that clarification though, if anything, this makes it even more difficult to pinpoint! You see, while the Italian army had been involved in engagements with allied forces during the Battle for Sicily, Marshal Pietro Badoglio, with Mussolini ousted from power, declared an armistice within days of the landings on mainland Italy on September 3 1943. You now have two possibilities: either Royal Italian forces fighting alongside the British and Americans against the Germans from 1944 onwards, or units of Mussolini's Salo Republic fighting on the other side. But I do not believe the Germans used Fascist units to any scale in front line operations. They were mostly engaged in anti-partisan actions. I'm sorry to complicate matters! Clio the Muse 21:10, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Unless the questioner is convinced it's World War II I think the Isonzo battles must be it. Frontal attacks across a river and up into the Alps - eleven times! Lisiate 21:21, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll cave in, and confess this seems the most likely one. :) Thanks for your help, sorry about the confusion! 81.93.102.185 23:14, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I would just add one small observation. It might be of interest to all those who doubt Italian courage, tenacity and determination to examine the details of the Isonzo battles, and the conditions faced on the Alpine front in general. Clio the Muse 23:27, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

esp

Could tinnitus count as ESP?Hidden secret 7 14:45, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Subjective tinnitus might fit some definitions of extra-sensory perception . t h b 14:49, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

(Freaky edit conflict) I'd call tinnitus "negative sound" (i.e., sound that is perceived to exist solely because of the lack thereof - a contrast to sound heard previously). It seems to be related, on a small scale, to sensory deprivation, IMO (experiencing senses because of the lack). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by V-Man737 (talk • contribs) 15:01, 21 January 2007 (UTC).

I have suffered tinnitus since an ear infection ruptured an eardrum some 4 years ago. My hearing isn't impaired, though in certain conversational scenarios I become extremely frustrated at not being able to focus on the cross-fire of animated meetings, but I do "hear" a high-pitched screech constantly - it sometimes wakes me up at night. But the audiology department at my local ENT Clinic tell me I am only imagining the noise and that I should train my brain not to listen out for it. They even gave me some artificial mimickry devices that fit inside my ears that try to "fool" me into not listening to the "real" tinnitus sounds. As for ESP, I don't know, but I do believe that when the ear-drum burst, the infective pressure that caused it must have also caused some trauma to the myriads of sensitive nerve-endings in that area and I am experienceing something akin to the itch reported by amputees in the area once occupied by their leg etc.

You can sometimes choose to "tune out" tinnitus - but as soon you start to discuss or think about it, it comes right back. Just because it's not caused by some external phenomenon doesn't mean it's not real. It's very real. All perception is real. Tinnitus is as real as a vivid dream. Any parent who downplays such a dream to their child is doing them a disservice. Similarly, an audiologist who cannot even get to first base by acknowledging the actuality and reality of tinnitus and tells you "you're only imagining the noise", should have their licence revoked. That they may not have ever personally experienced it and so cannot really imagine what it's like, is no excuse for denying the experience of others. JackofOz 01:14, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

But you can also ignore other constant noises like clocks ticking, until you start thinking about them:)Hidden secret 7 19:10, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

True - but the clock doesn't follow you out of the room.................. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.145.241.215 (talk) 19:44, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

20th Century Chinese Woodblock Prints

I actually have 2 questions. The first is, why is "art" not a topic/category on Wikipedia?

How can I find out more about identifying and valuing Chinese Woodblock Prints from around 1945-1949? They are political in nature, but I am having a dickens of a time identifying them or finding anyone who has any expertise with regards to them.

Thanks very much.

Lorraine

68.32.219.247 15:54, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Category:Visual arts is certainly a category here, and there is an article on Art. As for the woodblocks... I don't really know, but have you tried consulting a museum which might specialize in such things? Any museum with a decent print division might be useful for this; a Chinese art museum (of which there are many in the world) would probably be most useful. --24.147.86.187 16:01, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Magazine front page from the 50's

There was a magazine front page of a milk man and a pie man sitting behind their trucks on crates both eating half a pie and drinking half a container of milk. I am trying to locate that front page but can't remember the time, date or magazine24.13.230.235 17:44, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Saturday Evening Post, 11 October 1958. "Milkman meets pieman". If you search Google images for "milkman" and "pieman" this is the first hit.--Shantavira 18:03, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

From the description alone I would have guessed it was a Norman Rockwell, and many of those were in the Saturday Evening Post. StuRat 23:16, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

vss

recently i got retrench from a company under vss. can you kindly explain what is vss? a few resources tells me diff meaning.

thank you

regards, mac sheen (<email removed>)

Rugby World Cup

Will this fall's rugby world cup be broadcast in the United States? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rya Min (talk • contribs) 18:15, 21 January 2007 (UTC).

Not by the broadcast networks -perphas by one of the lesser known cable or satellite networks. Here is page about U.S. availbility -including pubs in various cities where you can watch in company.[12] Rmhermen 17:34, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

James Carson and Family

Hi, My name is Kipper Carson my dad was a engineer on Alaska Airlines flight 1866 , his name was James Carson,I'm looking for information on his surviving family Greg,Jeff and Kerrie they are my half brothers and sister. My dad remarried had a family then he died before I knew him or his children. Iam 48 years old and have been looking for then for years please e-mail me if you have some info on my half brothers and sister.

Thank you Kip Carson

I took the liberty of adding a headline to your question so it will appear in the contents (and people won't respond with details about US TV coverage of the Rugby World Cup). Lisiate 20:59, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Parenting and gays

Do gay parents tend to have gays as kids, and normal straight people tend to have normal straight kids? I am wondering if maybe kids do what their parents do in terms of sex, but I don't know where to get this info. Thanks --216.164.200.177 20:57, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

A resounding no to both questions. Vranak

Is there 0 correlation then between being a gay and parents being gays?--216.164.200.177 21:22, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Some studies have been done on the subject and found no evidence of that. — Kieff 21:36, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, a brief thinking time should tell you that being the case, gays would be extinct long ago. I heard in a news programme on TV once that kids with gay parents were more likely to be gay than others, but I have no idea. Personally, I don't think early education has much to do with sexuality, since I remember being attracted to women since my memory began working... which would be 3-4 years old :). --Taraborn 21:28, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I guess you(Taraborn) can't help me then, but does anybody else know if there is a correlation between being a gay and parents being gays?--216.164.200.177 21:34, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

You have an answer. If you need more proof here and here are some more studies that have concluded that no substantial correlation has been made regarding the sexuality of children with gay parents. Just like there is no substantial correlation between being straight and having gay children. No matter what your 'opinion' is, using normal as the antonym for gay is very rude and automatically labels you as ignorant if not intolerant, the sexual orientations are usually referred to as gay and straight please. Vespine 21:46, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I didn't mean to get you all pissy, I was just asking a question. I don't like your tone; maybe if you'd looked at the times you'd have found I didn't have an answer at the time I asked "does anybody else know?" even though there is an answer now posted above that. If you have a problem with me saying normal instead of straight, message me. Don't be an asshole.--216.164.200.177 21:58, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

To Vespine: I wonder what's the problem with the word "normal" since probably less than a 1% of the population is homosexual, the "normal" (common) thing is be straight. Don't you think? Apparently there's a constant paranoia involving homophobia. In my particular case, I consider the label normal to be an insult, since I hate mediocrity. --Taraborn 22:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I just wish "normal" and "not-normal" didn't hold any moral weight. I'm tired of seeing this sort of use (and then the reaction) of words that, by definition, are perfectly neutral. I guess this sort of thing comes from ignorance of the concept and that dreadful feeling people have that difference is "bad" and unwanted... The majority of humans are straight so, by definition, being straight is normal. Being gay is abnormal in the same sense that darts thrown randomly at a target are abnormal for hitting the bullseye. There's nothing wrong with these darts, they're just less numerous on their group of "darts that hit the bullseye". Same thing applies to sexual minorities. So avoid the moral weight, please. Straight and gays are all healthy people, it just happens that one group is more numerous than the other. Using "normal" as an antonym for "gay" may be mathematically valid in the background, but it is an improper use of the word nonetheless, a mixing of terms and concepts asking for dangerous misconceptions, so avoid it at all costs. — Kieff 22:49, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I disagree- heterosexuals are normal in quantity, and in social perception. Tolerance for gays is increasing, but their sexual orientation is by no means socially normal, and there's no reason we should be so politically correct as to avoid using an accurate word --froth^T 01:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not against using the word, I'm against using it incorrectly. My point is to avoid using "gay and normal", "abnormal and straight" since it's a mix of terms that will generally bring some moral weight that just isn't there. — Kieff 09:23, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

You know, I think your question was not phrased in a way that would allow you an easy ride. If you had said Do homosexual parents tend to have homosexual kids, and heterosexual people tend to have heterosexual kids? then I think you would have probably had more answers. The thing I think you may be aiming towards is "is homosexuality hereditary?", but the answer is that no-one knows or agrees. Please avoid calling other people names. Fiddle Faddle 22:08, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey I didn't mean to get you all pissy, I was marely pointing out a faux pas. If you had a problem with me criticising your choice of words, message me, don't be an asshole. ;) Sorry if I upset you, peace. ;) Vespine 23:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I am a little bewildered. I ask you not to call people names, so you call me an asshole. That seems an unusual behaviour. You might want to read WP:NPA and WP:Civility. I simply pointed out that you might have received a better reaction with different phrasing. I also gave you an answer. As for normal/abmornal, while there are substantially more heterosexual than homosexual people, if Alf is right there are 10% of the population who are homosexual. 10% is also normality, just not majority, in the same way that left handedness is normal but not majority. I like the darts description, though. It hit the bullseye on several levels. Fiddle Faddle 00:34, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Fiddle Faddle, sorry my apologies, my reply above was purely to the post made in response to me by the OP: --216.164.200.177. That post also started with "Hey I didn't mean to get you all pissy" and ended with "don't be an asshole." :). I was just replying like with like. Sorry if it looked i was replying to you. Vespine 03:00, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

AND people still saying that NORMAL can be an antonym of gay because of statistics are still wrong. Psychologically and biologically the word normal means:

3. Psychology. a. approximately average in any psychological trait, as intelligence, personality, or emotional adjustment.

b. free from any mental disorder; sane.

4. Biology, Medicine/Medical. a. free from any infection or other form of disease or malformation, or from experimental therapy or manipulation.

b. of natural occurrence.

On all counts it is NOT CORRECT and an insult to call someone who is gay: not normal. Please re-adjust your perspective, news flash: Gay people are normal. Vespine 03:08, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

As I pointed out above, gays are still a social abnormality. I don't think it's fair to judge them as a person by their orientation "they're not normal" but their sexual orientation definately is not normal. --froth^T 20:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi all. Before you reply further, can you consider whether you're contributing to answering to the question or just arguing or insulting each other? If you're arguing/insulting, try to recall that that's not what the ref desk is for and take it somewhere else! -- SCZenz 20:18, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Voting in U.S. and other places with big elections

Why do people vote? Is it because they think that their vote has an effect on the outcome, or is it because they feel good to vote, or view it as a fun activity, or is it something else. --216.164.200.177 21:29, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Among the myriad available responses to such a question, can you envision the alternative to being able to vote? Rarely have I personally felt that my vote in the US Presidential elections has made a difference, but I will always stake my right to submit it. After all, as taxpayer and citizen, I deserve a say in who represents me on any level. And consider that, in the recent congressional elections, the Senate race victory in I believe Montana came down to a meager percentage, providing a resounding argument for the notion that every vote does indeed both count and matter. I believe that race by-and-large swung the Senate to the Democrats. Wolfgangus 21:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Two more answers:

1. You can imagine that one vote out of thousands or millions doesn't make much difference, but "what if everyone else felt that way?" And if everyone else did feel that way, and didn't vote, then your vote would count for a lot! Either way, it's logical to vote (and some, at least, still feel it's their democratic duty).
2. If a politician has just done some horrendously stupid thing, and you're complaining bitterly about it, and someone asks, "Well, who did you vote for?", and you say "Well, um, I didn't vote", you get zero sympathy.

—Steve Summit (talk) 22:08, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Even more answers:

1. Maybe it is because they support their """"democratic"""" (oligarchic) system. It actually makes very little difference who you vote for: they all are more or less the same. As a counter for Steve Summit's typical argument, ""Well, who did you vote for?", and you say "Well, um, I didn't vote", you get zero sympathy.", the thing is much the reverse. If you vote a politician and the politicians (as a group) make something hugely wrong, then it's your fault for supporting them by voting. PS: It may be obvious, but I never (ever) vote in any kind of elections since I don't like politicians.
2. Maybe they are told so many times it is their "right", their "duty" or just something "good" that they believe that. --Taraborn 22:47, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

To the original poster of the question, examine the tone of the comment above this one, and you'll see another reason those who can vote should. It's a whole lot easier to refrain from the process. Then when things go wrong, you can stand back, hands in the air, and claim you had nothing to do with it. The problem, however, is just that: you had nothing to do with it. Had you, perhaps things would have gone differently. The unfortunate irony is that Apathy is always highest in places where it can do the most damage. Wolfgangus 23:21, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

People vote for the same reason they recycle or donate to big charities, even though their single contribution is a drop in the bucket. It makes them feel like they've done their part. Unless you live in Australia, where you vote because you have to. -- Mwalcoff 02:18, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Here's a view: Your vote doesn't count. It's only a drop in a bucket. Don't tell anyone else, though; the rest of America's votes are what count. --froth^T 20:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

It is technically true that under the Australian electoral system, it is compulsory for adults to vote. However that part of the law cannot be enforced. The Australian Electoral Commission can fine you if (a) you don't turn up at the polling booth, or (b) having turned up and received yor ballot papers, you are seen to dispose of them in a place other than the ballot box. If you place your ballot papers in the ballot box, what you write on them - if anything at all - is unknown to anybody else because the ballot is secret and anonymous. So, in practice, nobody is ever forced to vote per se. Btw, I disagree that any one vote doesn't count because it is just a drop in the bucket. Each vote counts as much as each other one. Either they all count, or none of them do. JackofOz 23:32, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

For what it's worth, the Electoral Commission in the United Kingdom did opinion polling on the reason why people voted in the 2001 general election. The question was "People give many reasons for voting at elections. Why did you vote at the General Election on June 7?" Answers were unprompted and the results were reported on page 14 of "Election 2001: The Official Results":

"It is my civic duty/everyone should vote" 42%

"I wanted to have a say" 14%

"It is my right to vote" 13%

"I always vote" 11%

"So that my preferred party won" 8%

"If people don't vote they have no right to complain" 8%

The sample size was 951. Sam Blacketer 00:07, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

11/07/1911-12/30/2006

i was wondering what name was born nov 7th 1911-died 12/30/2006? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.214.222.48 (talk) 22:35, 21 January 2007 (UTC).

Wikipedia has articles on at least 12 people born in 1911 who died in 2006 (intersection between Category:1911 births and Category:2006 deaths), but I can't find anyone with these specific dates. -- Rick Block (talk) 23:31, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe it is not a person's name. The Slovenian Tolar died at the end of 2006. Tanganyika appeared in 1922 (22 is twice 11) and merged since. Lincoln's secretary was also named Johnson ... -- DLL ^{.. T} 21:06, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Opinion

Hiya, Wikipedia. (I'm Wraith, for future reference) There's been an ongoing argument here that I find rather interesting. Call me egotistical, but I feel like I'm an adult arguing with a bunch of three year olds. Yes, the US has problems, whoop dee doo. I've presented good points and done it in an articulate manner, but I get shot down like a one-winged duck. Who's right? And who's winning? I don't care if I'm losing, I just want the opinion of Wikipedia, rather than a forum dedicated to video games. And this is how you sign, right? --> --Shorteraccount 22:39, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Off the record, if you made a post like your second one there on any forum I frequent, I'd call you a troll and ban you. On the record - this isn't the sort of question we can ask or answer here. --Wooty Woot? contribs 23:00, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. I'm not a troll, though, just peeved. There was a lot of anti-american spiel going about before I even started that topic. I was just wondering what the Wikipedia experts thought of it. --Shorteraccount 23:02, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

It may not be perfectly suited to this desk, no, but the primary problem with the entire argument (an apt term, by the way; it is neither discussion nor debate) is the deluge of Ad hominem attacks, from you and at you. The sooner you refrain from taking those kinds of shots, the less irate and fevered the discussion becomes, which grants logic, reason and facts some room to breathe, allowing a better chance for your points to make any sort of impact. Otherwise it's a shouting match. Wolfgangus 23:11, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I just got a tad hot when the first reaction was a Canadian blasting the US with unfounded crap. --Shorteraccount 23:17, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Well I suggest you simply cool it now by stopping arguing with them altogether. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 23:21, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

As a reformed anti-American (see this good link), I'll list a few things that used to rub me the wrong way. along with how I now see each issue:

• The entire military history of the USA, from Little Boy on

Now I understand that wars and death are not neccessarily wrong or evil, even if they serve no identifiable purpose

• The vapid, silly, unrealistic television and film productions coming out of the States

Now I understand that such productions are meant to be entertaining, not true-to-life, and that if I am not in the mood for such vapidness I can change the channel

• President Bush's disinterest in providing consistent, valid reasons for his decisions, and the American public's not caring either way

Now I understand he's just a figurehead, and the stuff that happens during his terms are ugly but probably neccessary in the long run

• Rank materialism

Now I understand this is an issue with humanity at large

• The perception that America is formed out of malcontents from their countries of origin

Now I understand that people will go where they have the best opportunities, and that's about all that matters

• Americans are brash and lacking refinement

Now I understand this is a gross overgeneralization, and besides, every nation has a unique character, and if you can't appreciate a particular one, the problem lies with you.

• The Simpsons isn't funny anymore

There's still rare good episodes.

Cheers — Vranak

Heh. I'd have to say that the last one is a little shaky, but other than that you hit the nail right on the head. ;) --Shorteraccount 01:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

You know what — you're absolutely right. I can only remember one funny episode since 2002's Lisa Goes to College (a memorable pre-Iraq war one): 2006's Girls Just Want to Have Sums. Vranak

As an American, I can get away with criticising my own country :) Here's my problems with it:

• Law enforcement goes way too far with searching personal property and infringing on citizen's rights.
• Copyright law shouldn't apply to digital content. Also the crap that companies try to pull today like "licensing" software instead of selling it is ridiculous. Many countries around the world don't tolerate this, unlike the US.
• The public opinion is that we're the center of the world and that other cultures are inferior to ours.
• Rampant disrespect for religion within the American media and scientific community

--froth^T 01:14, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I would disagree with (or would like to amend) your last point. There's more rampant disrespect for science than religion, at least in the popular sense. I'm an American too, and I'm amazed that the average person thinks (until the media tells them otherwise) drinking too much water is harmless, or doesn't understand how photosynthesis works, or thinks that genetic engineering will create a mutated monster animal with cornstalks for ears. --Wooty Woot? contribs 02:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Well almost all people are -well- stupid. But I mean their attitude, not their knowledge. --froth^T 20:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Just for the record, many nations helped after Katrina (I even remember hearing about China sending aid). | AndonicO ^{Talk · Sign Here} 14:00, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

What is this song clip?

The post is at the Entertainment reference desk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Entertainment#What_is_this_song_clip.3F

But i'm posting here in hope that i can gain a wider audience - Some might say i should have posted it here in the first place! -

Anyway, if anyone could look at the question and preferable post any response there i'd be so happy i could dance around :) Thanks Benbread 23:25, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Good things to see near Milan (Italy)

Hi.

We're gonna go on vacation to Italy (among other countries). We will visit Milan and have a good look at the city but what I would like to know is if there are any nice things to see close to the city (but not actually WITHIN the city, therefore requiring a field-trip). Just Brainstorm! It could be anything; historical sights, nature reserves, some place where they make wine etc. etc. etc.. The only restriction is that you should be able to visit this place and be back in Milan in one day.

Thx! PureRumble 00:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

You can see a lot of Italy within one day of Milano. For example, the trains will take you to Venice or Genoa or any number of places along the way. Lake Como and Switzerland is an easy car trip. And heck, in the city, see the Duomo, the castle and associated art museum, or the museum housing Davinci's The Last Supper.

Atlant 01:41, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

If you're into cities and towns, I'd personally recommend Bergamo (less than an hour by train, one way), Torino or Genova (both one and a half hours by train, one way) Specifically Torino is underrated, in my opinion, and interesting to compare with Milan. Venice, of course, is a city you must see, but it takes almost three hours to get there by train (one way), and it's really the kind of place you want to spend days, if not weeks, exploring. Still, if this is your once in a lifetime visit in the area, you probably should choose Venice. ---Sluzzelin 02:50, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I was really impressed with the train station at Milan. It's gargantuan. Vranak

And of course we have an article about it: Milan Central Station.

Atlant 13:34, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

The cities of Pavia, Piacenza, and Verona are all within one or two hours by train and rich in historical and artistic sights. Marco polo 16:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Wooohoow! Thx for quick and rich replies! I know this was my bad (when I told you guys to brainstorm), but I didn't mean cities. :-/

Soo... do we know about anything else interesting close to Milan? Anything please (except, cities)!

PS. Of course we're gonna visit Venice, you think I'm stupid? ;-) Genoa too, and also that tower in Pisa. PureRumble 17:15, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Credit Report

I was looking at my credit report and it states the places i have lived. But it also lists a place I have never lived in. Why would this happen?

---Paranoid in well, someplace--- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.210.45.250 (talk) 03:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

Be grateful that's all. They make a lot of mistakes. Mine had my correct history mixed up with that of an Anglican priest...one apparently with credit problems. There were about half a dozen credit cards listed I never had. Check your reports regularly...and pray, my son. Clarityfiend 04:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

What's this on satellite image?

I was randomly ran across this image on satellite. Anyone have any guesses as to what it is? A structure? Roads perhaps? Military? Mining? It's rather big ~12km. Antenna's? http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=50%C2%B0+0%2738.20%22N+110%C2%B0+6%2748.32%22W+&ie=UTF8&om=1&z=12&ll=54.804247,-110.53688&spn=0.136538,0.571289&t=h —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jeff Carr (talk • contribs) 04:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

My Guess, Probably something to do with Mining

If you are referring to the white squares branching off the white lines, they look like foundations for houses, to me. Perhaps a new subdivision is under construction. StuRat 09:31, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Each is longer than 100m by at least one side, so unless you are building mansions in the middle of nowhere... --antilived^{T | C | G} 10:54, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

You think that's weird? Well check out the same coordinates IN CLOSEUP Anchoress 11:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Don't zoom in, zoom out to get some context! My guess is that it's part of the Cold Lake Air Weapons Range (CLAWR) [13][14] of the Canadian Air Force. See also CFB Cold Lake. Lupo 12:48, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice Lupo, but I already did that. There wasn't an interesting picture to link to when I did so. Anchoress 13:31, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

FYI, the zoom level is reset when anyone goes to the page, so you can't give them a direct link to a specific zoom level, you have to tell them how many steps to zoom in, instead. StuRat 22:59, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Google earth has a mark in that exact spot saying that it is a rock that looks like an Indians head. however it also looks like its the middle of the desert. Is it an inconsistency between Google maps & earth. Ken 13:22, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

The original poster's Google Maps URL had some query coordinates baked into it that had nothing to do with the actual point of interest. (You've got to be careful when bookmarking Google Maps URLs; I usually edit out the &q= query part to avoid confusion.)

• The indian's head: 50°0'38"N 110° 6'48.32"W

• The strange pattern of big, interconnected white squares: 54°48'N 110°33'W

—Steve Summit (talk) 14:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Compare with this or this. These interconnected white squares do look like shooting or bombing targets to me. And the location is right, too. It is just inside the southern border of the CLAWR (see e.g. this map. The white spots at Primrose Lake (to the East from those squares) are drop zones, see [15]. Lupo 16:35, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

How about munitions depots ? They are frequently spread out so that if one explodes it won't set the others off. StuRat 22:55, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

spirit

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i am second to the first spirit of the world.i checked the word spirit and it has several meaninngs can someone be knowing the answer to my question —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.49.85.114 (talk) 06:48, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

Are you asking the answer to the riddle I am second to the first spirit of the world? or.. hmm...i cant think of anything else.. :-)..Could you please rephrase your question in a more meaningful way? Jayant,18 Years, India • contribs 14:06, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Halitosis! 192.41.95.1 01:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

i am second to the first spirit of the world the only clue i have is that it has no life.

Ebay Motors questions

I apologize if this is the incorrect place to be asking this, but I couldn't find the answer to this by looking through eBay. Anyways are the "deposit costs" additional to the winning auction amount. For example.

Person A wins an auction for a car, after bidding $6,500.00 The entry then says "Deposit $750.00 within 5 days of auction close"

Does that mean that I would have to pay $7,250.00 for the car, or $6,500.00. Because it makes a big difference. I basically wanted to know what that means?

Thank you68.164.70.243 07:43, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

• In general, the deposit is part of the final price. In your example, the buyer would send $750 as a deposit, then pay the remaining $5750 at time of pickup. However, I would check with the seller prior to bidding, the seller would know better about their own terms of sale than I. Zoobeerhall 08:06, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I have bought about six cars on eBay and certainly the deposit is not additional to the bid price. However, the seller IS allowed to charge additional "dealer prep" fees which may be as much as $495 and those ARE additional to the bid. Be sure to read ALL the fine print in the auction. After all, we are talking car dealers here (laff). --Justanother 16:49, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

The origin of a nickname

What's the origin of NHL Hall of Famer Allan Stanley's nicknames "Snowshoes" and "Silent Sam".

Thank you in anticipation.

81.89.88.106 10:03, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Silent Sam was an old Swedish comic. Might have something to do with it. 惑乱 分からん 16:48, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

America

I've 2 questions.

1. Was there any poles done in regard the 2008 presidential election. Who would win if it was held today.

2. I was looking at jobs for students in the U.S and wages seem ridiculously low. Most were about $5 per hour going as low as $2.40 and the best being $7. To me that type of wage amounts to exploitation. How do employers get away with that? and how do people live on them wages? Ken 13:13, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, there are already endless opinion polls on the 2008 presidential election. As we do not know who the two major parties will nominate yet, your question is meaningless. That said, polling suggests that if all the primaries were held tomorrow, John McCain would win the Republican nomination, Hillary Clinton the Democratic one, and that McCain would beat Clinton in the general election. But it's a nonsensical proposition. All manner of things could happen between now and the primaries, let alone the general election. For instance, other candidates may emerge to contest their party's primary - the most plausible being Al Gore contesting the Democratic primary. Then there are the innumerable things that will emerge on the campaign trail, both about the candidates themselves and the external political environment they find themselves in.

Yes, income inequality in the United States is higher than most of the developed world. Yes, people struggle to live on them, particularly to pay for medical treatment. As to why, there is a tendancy amongst a considerable fraction of the American polity (as much as it thinks about things at all) to think of labour as just a commodity which employers are entitled to purchase at the lowest cost they can. They would argue that high minimum wages put up unemployment.--Robert Merkel 13:52, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

The most obvious thing that looks like it's going to happen is the "surge" in Iraq troops for the "Battle of Baghdad", which was McCains's idea. Most experts give this strategy a low probability for success, which will certainly damage McCain's presidential aspirations, if his idea turns out to be a failure. If so, the Republicans may want to nominate someone completely unconnected with Washington, as Washington Republicans are seen as having messed things up badly in Iraq and in general. Perhaps a Republican governor could run. Unfortunately for Arnold, only US-born citizens can run. And, while Hillary is by far the most popular among Democrats, she may not be electable due to major negatives with the general US electorate. Thus, the Dems may decide on a more "electable" candidate. StuRat 22:42, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I know allot could happen between now and November 08 but I was just wondering of the current declared candidates which is the most popular. I don't think one could say minimum wages lead to unemployment. in Ireland Minimum wage is €8.30 ($10.74) an hour & we cant get enough people to fill them. We are almost at full employment. Ken 14:08, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Plenty of people do say so, see minimum wage. While I support the concept of a minimum income as a social justice issue, it's fairly obvious that at some level a minimum wage will be disincentive to employment. What if the minimum wage was $100 per hour? --Robert Merkel 14:14, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

In the United States, individual states can set minimum wages higher than the federal minimum. Washington State has a minimum wage of $7.93, compared to $5.15 in neighboring Idaho. There was recently (maybe 2 weeks back) a story in the New York Times about this. Employers in Washington State had protested that they would have to cut jobs and that their businesses would fail because they would not be able to compete with businesses in neighboring states, such as Idaho, that could offer lower prices because of their lower labor costs. In fact, the opposite has happened. Businesses in Washington near the Idaho state line are thriving, while businesses in Idaho are suffering. The business owners believe that this is because higher wages give workers in Washington more money to spend at local businesses. Also, with their higher wages, Washington businesses have attracted the most reliable and proficient workers in the region and have a low rate of worker turnover, so that they are able to offer a higher level of service. Meanwhile, Idaho businesses offering lower wages are forced to hire less competent workers and face high rates of absenteeism and worker turnover. As a result, their quality of service suffers, and customers prefer to do business in Washington even if the price is slightly higher. As a consequence, Washington businesses, with their higher wages, have increased hiring, while nearby Idaho businesses are cutting staff. Marco polo 16:39, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

As for student jobs, I had no problem through high school and college finding work for higher rates than you've indicated. The low end of the scale is probably a job where you'll make tips on top of your pay, raising it quite a bit, although I'm not sure how high. -anonymous6494 18:17, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

That's the problem with working for tips - you can never predict how high. See List of U.S. state minimum wages for some wages still below the federal minimum. The lowest I noticed was $1.60 for some agricultural workers in Massachusetts. Also under-18s may be subject to a lower "training" minimum wage. Rmhermen 18:49, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Students do manage to get by, though few do it without loans, some help from parents, or financial assistance from the university or government. If you really had to work your way through without any assistance, you would probably need to do your coursework on a part-time basis, which would increase the number of years for finishing a degree. That was how I completed graduate school. I generally made around $10-12 an hour in my student jobs, and that was 10 years ago. You can probably expect more today. It helps to choose a university in a city with a strong economy (but where rents are not extreme), so that you are not competing with other students for a small pool of jobs. Marco polo 18:44, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

"Trust license" in Canada

Why do Financial Institutions require a Trust License for some services, such as being a Custodian for Pension Plans and not for other services? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jcp05 (talk • contribs) 13:22, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

Hercules planes and stealth

Are C-130 Hercules resistant to radar detection in any way? If not, what could be done to make them so? Battle Ape 15:26, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

It does not strike me as a very stealthy design and is not listed here, Stealth aircraft. I imagine that there are anti-radar electronic countermeasures in place though. --Justanother 16:46, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

The propellers would probably render any attempt at passive stealth futile, since they have an enormous radar signature, as does the large vertical stabilizer. [This] lists defensive equipment as follows: AN/AAR-47 Missile Warning System, AN/ALE-47 Countermeasures (chaff/flare) System, and AN/ALR-56M Radar Warning Receiver. They say nothing about electronic countermeasures equipment, which of course does not mean that it isn't there, only that they aren't telling us that it's there. -anonymous6494 18:08, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

During a conventional war, transport planes such as this are only used once the area has been secured. During an insurgency, I agree that they could be a problem, and shouldn't be used in areas where insurgents are armed with anti-aircraft missiles. I believe a case could be made for a redesigned transport plane with stealth capabilities taken from the fighter/bombers. The simplest precations might be to drop chaff and flares. StuRat 22:31, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Universal movement

Hiya, I was just wondering, If the moon goes around the earth, and the earth around the sun...and our whole solar system is revolving arounf the sun, is the sun and the solar system moving around the center of our galaxy, slowly heading toward the centre of the milky way. I am not sure if i have posed the question correctly, but if i have and you know what i mean...How fast is the sun moving? Thanks guys and girls.81.144.161.223 16:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

It all depends on the Frame of reference used. Your question makes the point that lots of things are moving relative to other things. You need to decide what you are measuring the sun against when you ask the question. --Tagishsimon (talk)

I appologise, Let us assume one were do deploy a staionary marker, or weypoint(as in submarines)from the sun. how fast would the sun move away from said staionary marker. thanks

Sounds like you are asking if and how the solar system is moving relative to the center of our galaxy or perhaps relative to other star systems in our galaxy, right? --Justanother 16:41, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that is exactly what i am asking, if one has a stationary point. at what speed is our solar system moving away from it. Thanks

You want to know if the sun is rotating around the centre of the milky way? From our article Sun: "217 km/s orbit around the center of the Galaxy, 20 km/s relative to average velocity of other stars in stellar neighborhood". Notice the relative to in there. All speeds (velocities) have to be relative to some other thing. There is no 'stationary point' unless you say what it is. Skittle 16:58, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

ps. 217 km/s is about 135 miles a second which is 486,000 miles an hour. Skittle 17:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that, since the sun is orbiting the center of the galaxy, its direction of movement is continuously changing. The sun moves along its orbital path at a rate of over 200 km/second according to this source. However, the Milky Way galaxy and neighboring galaxies are moving at a rate of 600–1000 km/second (apparently relative to a stationary point) in a direction different from the motion of the sun along its orbit, according to this source. Because the direction of the sun's movement changes, so does its velocity relative to a stationary point. If the sun moves in the same direction as the Milky Way galaxy, its velocity is 800–1200 km/second. If it moves in the opposite direction, its velocity is 400–800 km/second. If it moves perpendicularly to the direction of the galaxy's movement, it moves at an intermediate speed relative to a stationary point. If you take the middle figure (800 km/second), that works out to 2.88 million km/hour or about 1.79 million miles per hour. Marco polo 17:00, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Asked and answered, once again thanks go out to the brilliance of the ref desk team. in the words of pink floyd, It could be made into a monster if we all pill together as a team

Battle of Isandlwana

In the above mentioned article it states that Lieutenant Melvill took the colours. What is meant by the colours Thank you —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.144.161.223 (talk) 16:34, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

It refers to a flag. See Colours, standards and guidons. --Justanother 16:39, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

or Colours#Flags --Tagishsimon (talk)

Ok, so why would they want the flag saved, surely it is just a piece of material, and they have more?

It is a symbol and symbols are often considered more important than human lives. --Justanother 16:58, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it's absurd, but armies have traditionally placed huge importance on the symbolic value of their flags and standards, with soldiers being prepared to die rather than lose their flag to the enemy. One thinks of the absurdity of having unarmed bugle boys march into the gunfire of the enemy, almost certain to die... But apparently such displays of heroism galvanised the combattant troops to defend their honour, etc. By the way, please sign your comments and questions by adding four tildes: ~~~~ at the end of your text. Thanks. Pinkville 17:33, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

The flags and even more so the buglers were used to transmit orders on the battlefield. Besides preserving the honor of your countries and units flags, you also needed to keep your comunications systems working. Imagine going into combat now without radio operators. Rmhermen 18:41, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

The colours were the rallying point for the battalion. If the call to rally was sounded then the men would reform on the colours, which could be seen above the smoke of battle. In addition, the colours of a British battalion or regiment (each has two - the King's/Queen's Colour and the Regimental Colour) are presented by the monarch and blessed by a chaplain and also bear the battle honours of the unit. They are regarded almost as sacred, the symbol of the continuity, history and tradition of the regiment and a memorial to the men who have fallen "beneath" them, all things which are vital to a regimental system like that of the British Army, in which a soldier's first loyalty is to his regiment and soldiers will die to preserve the honour of the regiment, to protect the colour, the loss of which was a great source of shame to all the men of the regiment, or to seize an enemy colour, which brought great glory (soldiers who captured an enemy colour were often commissioned on the spot). British soldiers are still said to have had x years' service "with the colours". See also Trooping the Colour. When a regiment is disbanded or its colour becomes too tattered to be carried (and a new colour is therefore presented) the old colours are "laid up" in a cathedral or other major church in the regiment's home area. Many large British churches have old colours hanging from the walls, sometimes over a dozen. They are effectively successors to the Roman Eagles, which were actually considered to be minor gods. They are certainly not "just a piece of material"! -- Necrothesp 19:23, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Necrothesp, thank you for that outline of the traditions of the British Army and your clarification of the crucial importance of the Colours in creating a unique esprit de corps. They are indeed symbols of past achievments and present comradeship, far, far more than pieces of material. Clio the Muse 23:13, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

There are many instances of battles where the flagbearer would fall, but another soldier nearby would pick up the flag to keep it from hitting the ground. It was a morale-lowering thing to lose your colors or to have them hit the ground. Flag bearers were generally targets, but that didn't stop people from stepping up to take the flag from a dying comrade. User:Zoe|(talk) 21:47, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

In addition to all the "patriotic" (read "silly") reasons to protect the flag, a more practical reason was so that it could be flown over the hill, fort, etc., which was captured, signaling that the battle had been won, thus ending the fighting (as there's not much point in fighting once the objective you were protecting is lost). StuRat 22:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

In what way is the creation of esprit de corps "silly"? The British Army still has a reputation as one of the world's best and a large part of the reason for that is the regimental system and everything which sustains it and goes with it. Men are far more likely to regard themselves as part of a family which is worth fighting for if they serve their entire careers with the Xshire Regiment, which has centuries of history and tradition which make it unique, than if they get posted from the nth regiment to the xth regiment and then to the zth regiment, all of which are exactly the same, every few years. Don't mock or dismiss something until you understand it. -- Necrothesp 00:45, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Flag burning

One often sees flags being burned, specifically american and English flags in the middle east. My question is, where do they get them from, who is willing to sell these flags in this region? And who is willing to buy one if they hate the county the falg belongs to. Cheers. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.144.161.223 (talk) 16:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

They could buy them mail-order or on eBay. --Justanother 16:59, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Often the flags are crudely drawn with color markers on a white piece of cloth. Marco polo 17:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I get all mine from here. :) Cyraan 18:46, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Such trite economic considerations are unimportant to someone wanting to make a strong political statement like burning a flag. Vranak

Would you mind awfully changing the "English" to British ie The Union Flag (not The Union Jack)? Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.145.241.215 (talk) 19:38, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

Aren't the union flag and the union jack the same? --froth^T 19:54, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

A controversial issue. See the Terminology section at Union Flag. Gandalf61 20:17, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Just because a commonly held term is preferred to the official name, the Union Flag is still the correct name of the flag of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, comprising the superimposed independent English (St. George), Scottish (St. Andrew - Saltire), and Northern Ireland flags, notwithstanding the information kindly provided above. The Union Jack may well be the common preference for the Union Flag, but with respect, that is based on ignorance. The Union Flag, when flown upside down from a British Royal Navy Ship, signals to other craft that the ship is in distress, and they should respond accordingly. As to burning the US Flag or The Union Flag, the OP is ironically quite correct - why waste a gallon of petrol just to burn a flag of a nation you despise? But it doesn't stop the silly blighters. You might as well ask why people in the middle-east waste their money buying guns and bullets just to fire them aimlessly into the air. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.145.240.132 (talk) 23:51, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

Just to correct this slightly, the saltire of St Patrick is not the flag of Northern Ireland. The Union Flag was created long before there was a Northern Ireland. The red saltire was unofficially used as the flag of Ireland, although it never had any official standing. -- Necrothesp 00:33, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Yup. I've never seen footage of the English flag burning. Until very recently, on my travels overseas I've found astonishing lack of recognition of the St George cross... with people variously telling me it's the flag of Denmark (nice try) and... Switzerland. --Dweller 11:59, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I remember reading in the newspaper about an opportunisitic merchant in the Gaza Strip who bought a truckload of Danish flags when the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy first broke out. He made quite a profit selling them to local pyromaniacs. -- Mwalcoff 00:15, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Watch Over Me's theme song

What is the name of the MyNetworkTV telenovela Watch Over Me's theme song and who performs the song? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.18.90.16 (talk) 17:31, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

pronunciation

How do you pronounce the word "singh" ? Mike Albrecht —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.234.84.11 (talk) 19:23, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

An Indian name, pronounced Sing with a slight emphasis on the G. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.145.241.215 (talk) 19:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

buying a copy of one of Barney and Friends show from back in 1992.

My name is Cindy Colbern, I would like to know if there is a way i could by a copy of one of Barney and Friends episode #22 A camping we will go. My son who is has Autism loves Barney and looks up information on the coputer. He is asking for this tape and I try to tell him it is not for sell. He does not understand, He went and found the web site and told me here it is. Now I need to know how do I get a copy? Do I need to be a member? Please if you could help me I would greatly appreciate it. If you know about children with Autism they don't forget and they will drive you crazy asking for something. He has been wanting this move for over a year. Thank you. A desperate mother Cindy Colbern —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.108.7.230 (talk) 19:34, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

Here you go. --froth^T 19:40, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

The Great American Depression - Could it happen again?

I was just watching a re-run of The Cinderella Man and my wife asked me whether the same circumstances (or similar) as those that caused the Wall Street Crash and what happened afterwards, could occur again, or whether fiscal safeguards had subsequently been imposed so as to prevent such a recurrence. I am hoping that someone out there will hopefully reassure us that our UK Government retirement pensions and longer term Unit Trust Investments (both British) would/will be safe from any fallout should the worst occur again. Thanks.

Another economic depression, unfortunately, remains a possibility. Many of the financial safeguards installed in the 1930s have since been removed in the name of financial deregulation. The world's financial system, and arguably the world economy itself, is now maintained by a volume of debt that increases faster than does the world's actual economic output. There is a multitude of derivatives in place, with values in the trillions, that some experts believe could cause a financial crisis, particularly if debt defaults began to undermine faith in the credit system. I do not know enough about British retirement funding schemes to comment on the second part of your question. Marco polo 21:05, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

The biggest risk would be if the US defaults on it's foreign debt. This could cause a worldwide depression. StuRat 21:55, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

A depression can certainly occcur. There are now trading curbs in place to limit down days in the market. t h b 23:54, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Depressions occured regularly up until the New Deal. There's a reason we've only had recessions since. We now have better understanding of how monetary policy affects the economy. When the economy needs some impetus, central banks will loosen up the money supply. When currencies were based on gold or silver, governments couldn't do that easily. Governments are also willing to run budget deficits during recessions to pump more money into the economy. In the early 30s, the prevailing line of thought was the budget must be balanced no matter what, pushing Washington to raise taxes and cut spending when it should have been doing the opposite. -- Mwalcoff 00:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

However, we have not seen the issuance of credit and the accumulation of debt on the present scale since the Depression, or before it for that matter. If you had a loss of faith in the credit system and a lot of persons and entities in default, no amount of monetary loosening would get the money flowing, because lenders (faced with mountains of bad debt and bad credit) would not be willing to lend. This is known as a liquidity trap. This is what happened in Japan beginning in the 1990s. But Japan still had its large trade surplus to keep its economy running. The United States and United Kingdom lack that. If the Federal Reserve System simply printed money and tossed it out of helicopters (as Ben Bernanke has famously suggested), the international loss of confidence in the dollar would send prices soaring, and the helicopter money would simply chase prices. The monetary policy of ever-increasing stimulus has caused an amassment of debt that threatens to overwhelm it. Marco polo 02:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Greenhouse gases

Dear Sir, If CO2 represents say 2% of the air we breathe, how many cubic metres does one ton of CO2 occupy?60.228.40.6 20:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

This should be in the Science section, but using the info in Carbon_dioxide you can work out the answer. From the article, the density of CO2 at Standard Temperature and Pressure is approx 1.98kg per m³. Thus 1000/1.98=505.050505, and so 1000kg of CO2 would occupy roughly 505.051m³. If someone could check my calculations and methodology that would be great :) --inks^T 20:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, 1000kg of pure CO2 would occupy about 500m³ (at standard temperature and pressure). But if CO2 is only 2% of the atmosphere then 50 times this volume of atmosphere - so about 25,000m³ - contains 1000kg of CO2. Which I think is what the questioner maybe wanted to know. Gandalf61

Ah yes, got that :) Thanks Gandalf61--inks^T 20:40, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't see how the first half of your question relates to the second. Carbon dioxide like other gases, is very compressable. See ideal gas law for more information. Friday (talk) 20:22, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

As long as we're trying to figure out what's intended here, it's worth pointing out that

Earth's atmosphere says CO2 is about 0.04% of our air, not 2%. Not sure whether this is by volume tho. Friday (talk) 20:44, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

What I'm trying to get at is if it takes 2 atoms of oxygen to combine with 1 atom of carbon then when are we going to run out of oxygen as we create all of this greenhouse effect? Nobody seems to consider the effect on the availability of oxygen as we burn all of the coal etc.

Leaving aside the chemistry equations for now, we would have to burn a lot of coal. Half a century worth of global growth (literally tens of thousands of coal-burning power plants, among many other emission sources) may have raised global CO2 levels by about 40%...from 0.02% to 0.04%-ish. I'd say there are other, more immediate problems for the human race to be worried about.--inks^T 22:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Eclipse

Can anyone tell me where I can find a picture of just before or just after a total eclipse, where almost all the sun is covered, but a tiny ray of light is shining out from one side?Hidden secret 7 20:03, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

There are various pictures in Solar eclipse, a few of which are as you describe. Friday (talk) 20:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

...and another one at Baily's beads. Gandalf61 20:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

APOD the NASA site would be my best bet.hotclaws**== 18:11, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

book

I read these two books about two years ago and i need to know what the names are. The first one is about a fifteen year old that enters the army in ww2 under his brother's name. He makes a friend (Charlie or Chuckie) that later dies in a plane. He lands in Germany and soon makes his way back to America. Oh yeah, and he gets this twenty year old girlfriend that doesn't know he is fifteen until near the end of the book.

The second one was about a nuclear bomb that lands in America and came from some european country by mistake. The main character is this guy that goes into his shelter during the explosion, but his mom is still in the house and doesn't get cover. The whole city (I think its los angeles) is trying to get to the hospital to get help and survive the explosion's effects.

I would really appreciate if any of you guys would find out for me. thanx!

With the millions of books that exist out there I think you'd be very hard pressed to find a book based on a vague plot details(at least with just search google or wikipedia). Do you have any specific details that would narrow the search? Vague idea of a title? Time the book was published? Place you got the book from? Publisher? —Mitaphane _talk 00:00, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

You might also want to try the Humanities board. --Wirbelwindヴィルヴェルヴィント (talk) 08:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Equinox, shadows, snake, pyramid

Hello,

Sorry for the intrusion (and misspellings). I have ALWAYS been in awe of the pyramid at Chichenitza, "El Castillo".

On the EQUINOX, shadows (from the sides, nine steps) form an illuminated 7 triangle snake BODY from the head (at the base) to the tail (at the top).

My feeling is that the pyramid orientation is North/South/East/West, and the pyramid slope relates to the latitude. I believe that the longitude is unimportant. Just a guess...

I wish to understand this (so that I could build a pyramid ANYWHERE on Earth).

If you cannot help me, where would I look for info?

THX,

4.230.147.60 21:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Such a pyramid could not be constructed at or near the equator, as the walls would need to be vertical or nearly so. Elsewhere, a line from the center of the pyramid to the corner that you want to cast the shadow should be parallel to the path of the setting sun at equinox. In the northern hemisphere, that would mean that the corner casting the shadow should be nearly to the north (a bit to the west of north) of the center of the pyramid, and the walls of the pyramid would need to run nearly SW-NE, NW-SE, NE-SW, and SE-NW. The angle of the pyramid's walls to the ground would need to be the same as the angle of the trajectory of the setting sun to the ground. Of course, the sun's trajectory is a curve, so it would be best if the pyramid were not exactly a pyramid, but if each step were set back from the step below a bit more than the next-lowest step. You would need to measure the arc of the setting sun's trajectory at equinox at your latitude to get this right. Marco polo 22:58, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

You should study sundials. Dover Publications has a book on sundials that is easy to understand, readily available, and inexpensive. t h b 02:26, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Finding 1st publication date of a musical work

I'm looking for a website that'll allow me to search for the first publication date for musical works (specifically bagpipe tunes) as I've transcribed quite a few to abc notation and would like to share these with others, but wish to ensure they've passed into the public domain so neither I, nor the owner of whatever site I post them to will get into trouble.

As a follow-up, is a transcription from paper to electronic form like a translation (i.e. I will own the copyright on the transcription and will therefore be able to specify a copyleft license on the transcription even though the printed original is in the Public Domain)?

Many thanks, Davidprior 21:25, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Chicago's O' Hare International Airport UFO Incident

Recently, the Chicago Tribune has stated that personnel working at the O' Hare International Airport have seen a HUGE UFO, and I've seen a report on Google that someone has taken a pix of the UFO. Found two illustrations of said UFO (See Talk on Wikipedia Project Paranormal). How can this be stated in both the Chicago article and the O' Hare International Airport article ? Peter Davenport (Not the one discribed here) of the National UFO Reporting Center has this matter on file, and was allegedly trying to get the one who shot that pix to come foward. The witness will not come foward due to concerns of ridicule and job loss at this time. Seen evidence on Google that said a police officer had also shot a pix of said UFO. Martial Law 23:19, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I used Google: O' Hare UFO pics and found the above material. Martial Law 23:22, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I do not believe that Chicago TV stations or newspapers published any such pictures so far. Here is the story [16] and an update from ther Chicago Tribune: (logon may be required)[17]There is a long history of fake UFO pictures, even before everyone had Photoshop. Solid provenance of the picture would be needed before many people took such a photo seriously. People did see something, and others came out and saw it when they heard about it on their walkie talkies, and we are talking people who work at the airport, including flight personnel. In this era of little digital cameras and celphone cameras, it is surprising that no one took photos/video of whatever they saw. Edison 23:43, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

There is one maybe two pixes out there, but their owners will not release them, due to certain protocol, incl the Robertson Panel protocol. they're afraid that they'll lose their job, social standing. The listed protocol is this:Report a UFO, get called crazy, a nutjob, lose your job, social standing. Martial Law 00:04, 23 January 2007 (UTC) That protocol used Shrinks, so you'll be called a nut, worse. Martial Law 00:06, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

How do I place that as well ? Martial Law 00:17, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

You Don't. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 11:25, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I share the sentiment of Shazaam. I would suggest that unconfirmed, uninvestigated, and non-major sightings have no place in encyclopedic information on Chicago or O'Hare airport. The List of major UFO sightings may be a suitable place, especially if one has enough information to enable a rating on the Hynek scale, after the matter has been investigated. --Seejyb 11:54, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

How do you cite you sources on Wikipedia?

I love this cite and used it as research for my school project. The only problem is i have to cite my sources for my project. How do i get that information? Shelby24.9.177.137 00:08, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Please first read Wikipedia:Researching with Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not itself a "reliable source", but it can be useful in guiding you towards reliable sources. The best articles are those which tell you where the information in them was obtained. However, instructions on how best to cite Wikipedia as a source of information are given at Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia. Sam Blacketer 00:14, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Graffiti Image Tag question

Hi, I've been doing quite a lot of work on these Graffiti artists in Melbourne.

• Civilian
• Dlux
• Meek
• Pslam
• Sixten
• Prism
• Sync
• Optic
• Phibs
• Ha-Ha
• Vexta
• Rone

But I want to include some pictures in the articles. So: they would have to be scans or from the internet as I don't live in Melbourne.

Taken by another person, the image would be free, as it is stenciled to a wall. What image license would the image be under?

If the image is street Graffiti, would it be a free image anyway? Als long as the artist is credited would it be free to use anywhere?

I would greatly appreciate a response on my talk page, thanks in advance. Dfrg.msc ^{1 . 2 . Editor Review} 00:22, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

How movies are made...

Does the US Airforce or US Navy rent real F-16's and other military aircraft and weapons to movie studios? If not, how else do they get perfect shots of the aircraft doing specific maneuvers? What about facilities such as airbases and parts of the Pentagon? Are movie makers allowed in on a contract basis to shoot scenes?

In the movie Independence Day, all of the planes used are computer generated, using models and data characteristic to the planes involved. That way you could blow up a $100,000,000 fighter/bomber airplane, like a F-15D Eagle and not have to buy one. Martial Law 00:50, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

That plane only costs about $30,000,000. Rmhermen 04:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Sometimes the plot is altered to match whatever footage they have. IIRC the producers of Top Gun obtained United_States_Navy co-operation because the film didn't portray them badly. Again IIRC, the producers of Sergeant Bilko got no help at all from the United_States_Army because the movie portrayed them as a bunch of incompetent idiots :) --inks^T 02:43, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I have a related question. An episode of Ein Fall für Zwei was about a partner in a building company getting murdered. The episode started by showing footage of a very large construction site in Frankfurt am Main, where the principal characters were shown having an argument about the project. Now it's highly unlikely they built that entire site and structure just for the TV series. So it's quite probably a real construction site. Did the film crew just approach the site and ask "Hey, can we use this site for our TV series?" JIP | Talk 13:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

It was probably more likely the production company's lawyers who contacted the lawyers for the property owners. The construction company doesn't own the building and can't legally let just anybody into a work site; they'd be setting themselves up for a major lawsuit if somebody were injured (or if the people filming caused damage to the building under construction). Most likely the site was chosen weeks or months in advance, and the crew was only able to film after the lawyers had agreed on a 63-page contract setting out every specific of the filming. --Charlene 15:06, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Scamming Google

From what I understand, Google's AdSense advertising program pays websites based on the number of clicks they generate. Can't someone settup a stupid website and go to other computers and click the ads on his page millions of times (using a bot) to get piad big bucks by Google? Does Google have a way of detecting/preventing this?

Yes and yes. See click fraud. —Steve Summit (talk) 00:59, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Mass of Fat

What is the mass of a cubic foot of human fat compared to the mass of a cubic foot of human muscle? Jamesino 01:54, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Less. Marco polo 02:00, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

While Marco Polo's answer seems like a smart ass response at first, or at least it did to me, the point behind it is still valid. A cubic foot of fat would weigh less than that of muscle but AFAIK the cubic foot of muscle would not necessarily be the same across the board. I think I recall something about a body builder's muscle being more dense than an invalid 90 year old's muscle because of the heightened strength of the bodybuilder. Therefore your weight would differ. Dismas|^(talk) 02:50, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

One can work with densities of approximately 0.9 for fat tissue and 1.05 for muscle (I cannot give original references for these, and do not have opportunity now for looking). To use these figures: what does 1 cu.ft. for water weigh? Multiply by density to get weight of tissue per cu.ft. Note that density of "fat-free" human body is approx 1.1, because that includes tissue other than muscle (notably bone). --Seejyb 09:30, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

According to our friends at the United States Geological Survey[18], water weighs 62.416 pounds per cubic foot at 32°F and 61.998 pounds per cubic foot at 100°F. --Charlene 11:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I was trying to be succinct, not smartass! Marco polo 13:53, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

List of Foods by Alphabetical Order

I need comprehensive lists of foods that are sorted by letter. Does anyone know where I can find such lists? I've tried searching on Google to no avail. --Proficient 01:59, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you could look at Category:Foods. bibliomaniac15 02:19, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Such a list seems like it would be incredibly hard to compile. Would bananas and banana bread both be counted as two seperate foods? Or would the bread be broken down into it's own ingredients with each counted individually? In which case, baking soda or baking powder wouldn't necessarily count as a food since they aren't typically thought of as foods by themselves. Basically, I think a better definition for "food" need to given in order to compile that list. Dismas|^(talk) 02:45, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Category:Lists of foods might help. t h b 02:48, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. But I've been using Category:Lists of foods and Category:Foods already, without much luck, although they both were useful in some regards. More specifically, I am looking for foods that begin with the letter "Y," but it is tedious searching. Yes, if such a list were available, I think banana bread and bananas would be separate, or at least that is what would help me the most. :) --Proficient 02:53, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Try the Nutrient Data Laboratory of the USDA. The Food Composition and Nutrition Links on the same site are useful. --Seejyb 09:50, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I wonder why, but at least I could give yoghurt (yeast?. 惑乱 分からん 14:50, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

From the 2nd reference I gave, ("Y" with the kind of preparation for interest): Yachtwurst, with pistachio nuts, cooked; Yam, cooked, boiled, drained, or baked, with salt; Yambean (jicama), cooked, boiled, drained, with salt; Yardlong beans, mature seeds, raw; Yautia (tannier), raw; Yeast extract spread; Yellowtail, fish, mixed species, cooked, dry heat; Yogurt, chocolate, nonfat milk. What about "Z"? Zwieback. What I did was download the Access file, and order the foodstuff by name table alphabetically. --Seejyb 17:02, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

I found some vandalism but have no idea how to report it. It is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos 70.65.139.140 05:49, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

It's already been delt with, but for future reference try WP:AIV Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 06:25, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Or just change it yourself. Go to the page's history (next to edit at the top), click on the version before, go to edit, and save (just make sure the previous version isn't vandalism too!). | AndonicO ^{Talk · Sign Here} 15:19, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Death by elevator?

How safe are elevators? How often do they get stuck or break and how many injuries are attributed to them every year? Thanks! S.dedalus 07:06, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

• Take a look at the Elevator article. Safety is covered, and there is even a link to a study that should answer your question.

Riddle question

I am second to the first spirit of the world? yeah i wanted the answer to this riddle.i thot it was part of the classical elements...you know earth wind and fire — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.49.87.197 (talk • contribs)

It was answered (I believe at the Humanities desk) as Halitosis. | AndonicO ^{Talk · Sign Here} 15:20, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Speech thingees

So, many times when a politician is giving a big important speech (convention or inauguration speech, state of the whatever address, so on), there is one, sometimes two, rectangular panes of clear or tinted glass (or some such material) on a pole or extending from a podium/lectern. I initially thought it was bulletproof glass, but the coverage of such devices would give laughably little protection. Then I thought they were prompters of some sort but I've never seen any text being projected onto them. Then, as a long shot, I figured they might provide shade from especially bright lights or the Sun (although, I'm really grasping at straws at this point). This has been bugging me for a very, very long time. What the hell are those things? --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 11:14, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

You're right. See teleprompter. Dismas|^(talk) 11:46, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, bugger, a better question would be why the hell I didn't go to the teleprompter article in the first place? --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 12:05, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Burdened Labor Rate

14:19, 23 January 2007 (UTC)KmonincCan anyone explain to me what a burdened labor rate is??

A burdened labour rate is generally the base hourly wage of a specific position plus an adjustment for the cost of benefits. So if the worker earns $20.00 an hour but her benefits cost the company $4.00 an hour, the burdened labour rate for her position is $24.00 an hour. Labour rates can be fully burdened (including all benefits) or partly burdened (including only some benefits). --Charlene 14:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

When Poland joining to Schengen?

I heard that Poland is going to join to Schengen..but i dont know when? i searched for the latest news in the web...but i could'nt find the exact date...is that true? if its true could you please tell me when? I hope i will get the answer throgh wikipedia..

According to our article on the Schengen Agreement, Poland signed the agreement almost three years ago, and is scheduled to implement its provisions at some time between December 31, 2007 and March 29, 2008. However, that time frame is not set in stone and may change in the future. --Charlene 14:54, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

threats in the USA

Is threatening someone with physical harm illegal in the USA?

Yes. It is a form of assault (whereas the actual violence is battery). --24.147.86.187 16:11, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

simple but not so simple

3 men go to a restaurant.they each pay 10 bucks for a room.that adds to thirty.the cashier sees his overcharged them coz 3 rooms is 25 bucks.so he gives the bell boy 5 bucks to return to the guests.the bell boy gets confused on how to divide the 5 bucks so he gives out a dollar to each n pockets the two dollars.if u calculate the three men paid 9 bucks each for a room, times 3 its 27.the bellboy pockets 2 bucks.27 plus 2 is 29 wheres the extra dollar.

They did pay $27: $25 to the restaurant and $2 to the bellboy. I don't know why someone would pay ten bucks for a room at a restaurant though... u must b confused -anonymous6494 16:51, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Each of the men may have paid $9, but they're not holding $9 at the end of the transaction. They each have one. And the rest is like 6494 says. The cashier is holding $25 and the bellboy $2. It's not a matter of who ultimately paid what for which services, it's a matter of who's holding the currency. Vranak

Truly, you have shown me the money. Clarityfiend 17:49, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

This is a rewording of a common money based question...see (http://www.naute.com/puzzles/puzzle1.phtml) for an explanation of the answer. Or even the wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_dollar_paradox)...ny156uk 17:20, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

It took me awhile to get Wikipedia links right as well :-) You don't need to put the whole URL, just the last bit, and enclose it within two sets of square brackets, like this: [[Missing_dollar_paradox]]. --Richardrj ^{talk email} 17:35, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

You don't even need the underscores; [[Missing dollar paradox]] will work just as well. But note that Wikilinks still need to "match case" for all but the first letter in the link; the software's more-flexible and accommodating if you type the term into the "search" box, but quite nitpicky for links.

Atlant 18:00, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

My problem will have been case-sensitivity. I try to get the links right whenever possible (i.e. with the [[]] signs) but gave up on this one! ny156uk 18:14, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Paul Cole here n1qaw@gwi.net

First let me let you know that even though I access wiki frequently, I am far from being able to edit easily.

I work with an author of some note who is even less competent lol

I noticed that even though he has been published and has written a great deal of fiction, he isn't listed here. I asked and he was unfamiliar with the whole wiki concept. I had added a couple of articles and thought that I could puzzle my way through. Not the case it would seem. I gathered information from the author (bio, printed and published works etc.) and put together an fairly simplistic article that I posted here. I has never shown, except that once a message said that it was due for deletion. I notice that there still is no info on Mr. Saunders even though he has frequently been in the British press and published fiction as well as scientific articles. None of the information was false or to promote Mr. Saunders. As well other authors, I though it would be helpful to have all his information somewhere it could be easily accessed.

Payton Manning vandalized

someone has entered a description for 'peyton manning', and replaced a long article with a short, abusive statement. Please eliminate the statement and its link. I correctly spelled Payton Manning and was linked to the vandalizing statement208.149.145.190 18:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Luigi Crosio

70.147.117.36 18:45, 23 January 2007 (UTC)I am looking for paintings by Luigi Crosio. I have one & I am looking to find a buyer Roberta B Fisher robbyefisher2004@yahoo.com−