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Errors in the summary of the featured article

Please do not remove this invisible timestamp. See WT:ERRORS and WP:SUBSCRIBE. - Dank (push to talk) 01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Errors with "In the news"

• Found this on the ITN/C page: looks like someone had a complaint about the Chemistry Nobel. Not sure if this is an important change we care about. Natg 19 (talk) 16:36, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

"The Nobel Prize in Chemistry is awarded jointly to Demis Hassabis and John M. Jumper for their work on protein structure prediction and David Baker for his work on computational protein design." should be "The Nobel Prize in Chemistry is awarded to David Baker for his work on computational protein design and jointly to Demis Hassabis and John M. Jumper for their work on protein structure prediction." (David Baker should come first as per the official award announcement: https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/chemistry/2024/press-release/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:54A0:6E01:766:542F:EF4C:9956 (talk) 14:04, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

I know that David Baker is listed first in the official announcement but I decided to but Hassabis and Jumper first because that one has a smoother flow and it needs to be listed first that the award was awarded jointly and it is not that clear when it is mentioned in the middle of the sentence. ਪ੍ਰਿੰਸ ਆਫ਼ ਪੰਜਾਬ ^{(PrinceofPunjab | ਗੱਲਬਾਤ)} 16:44, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

I assume there are no bad intensions but this grossly misrepresents the relative importance of the recipients of the prize. Even more so now that a photo of D.H. has been added. The most important recipient is D.B., please fix this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:54A0:6E01:766:542F:EF4C:9956 (talk) 19:23, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Please provide a reliable source indicating that the ordering of the Nobel Prize press release indicates relative importance and not, say, alphabetical order of surnames. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:03, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Do reliable sources read any intentional emphasis in Nobel's ordering of awardees? I'm in agreement with PoP that the current order reads clearer. Nobel is not consistent about order (see this article for example). Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 19:28, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

While I am not a fan of the language used by the IP on the talk page, come on folks -- make an update to stay consistent with the citation and let’s move on. Ktin (talk) 01:22, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

I's also in agreement with PoP that the current order reads clearer. Schwede66 04:18, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

The announcement says The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences has decided to award the Nobel Prize in Chemistry 2024 with one half to [Baker] and the other half to jointly to [Hassabis and Jumper][1] No opinion of whether it's notable for distinction or an error, but the current blurb's "awarded jointly" wording could be misinterpretted to mean that there are 3 recipients, each "receiving" 33%, as opposed to half to Baker and other half to Hassabis and Jumper. Regarding order, announcements (Nobel or not) listing alphabetically avoids these exact discussions on the significance, if any, given to the listed order.—Bagumba (talk) 07:49, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

So why can't we say half to Baker and the other half to Hassabis and Jumper? Would that be too bleeding obvious? DuncanHill (talk) 10:20, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

I have attempted to reword along these lines. The combination of a joint award and a divide into two makes this trickier than usual to summarise in one sentence.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:38, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Good work. I was then going to put Baker first (alphabetical), but figured Hassabis is currently pictured, so its OK to leave his part first. —Bagumba (talk) 11:25, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Errors in "Did you know ..."

Current DYK

Screw up

My nomination of 2021 Naperville–Woodridge tornado was changed last-second, and it works but helicity does not have a threshold, it has a gradient. Saying it has a hard threshold instead of at the very least a "reasonable" threshold is incorrect. GeorgeMemulous (talk) 01:49, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

"Reasonable" is incomprehensible in the given context. Instead, I've changed "required" to "favorable", which is the word used by the source. Cheers, Gatoclass (talk) 02:29, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Cock up

... that a baby penguin from Australia is "an absolute unit"?

It sounds like a peacock to me. I contemplated clicking through to find out more but that would be rewarding this gushing puff. Who's claim is this and is it a definite fact? Googling "absolute unit", it seems to have multiple meanings. The respectable definition is "a unit of measurement which is defined in terms of the fundamental units of a system (mass, length, and time), and is not based on arbitrary definitions." And then there's recent slang which seems to mean that something is big – see wikt:absolute unit, this blog, &c. Per WP:TONE, "Formal tone means that the article should not be written using argot, slang, colloquialisms, doublespeak, legalese, or jargon that is unintelligible to an average reader; it means that the English language should be used in a businesslike manner." Andrew🐉(talk) 07:15, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

WP:TONE applies to articles, not hooks. With regard to this particular hook, it's a lighthearted hook that suits the subject matter, and will probably be very effective in attracting interest, which serves our educational purpose. Gatoclass (talk) 09:16, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Slang should usually be avoided in blurbs, but in this case it's in a direct quote so we can't modify or rephrase it, and it's a bit late to select a different blurb. There should be a link to wiktionary, as there already is in the article, because many of our readers won't understand the phrase. Viz absolute unit. Modest Genius ^talk 10:45, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

• I've added the link per this discussion. I understood it, even as a North American millennial, but I agree that a link improves comprehensibility. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 10:51, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

  All well and good, but how is this a definite verifiable fact that is unlikely to change? The article attributes this label to "fans" and the cited source says that the penguin has been "affectionately dubbed" as an absolute unit. It's a fun term and all but This doesn't seem like something that qualifies for a hook under the DYK criteria.  — Amakuru (talk) 11:24, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

  I always took WP:DYKHOOK's "unlikely to change" to mean that it will still be true by the time that it's finally posted, not that it needed to be worded to be true for eternity. —Bagumba (talk) 11:33, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

  Shameless self-plug for an essay I wrote on DYK and attribution; historically, DYK accepts quirky hooks of this nature if the hook is verifiably true on its face. Since there's not really any contest to the assertion that the penguin is large, and this is a common descriptor for them, I'd say that this hook fits fairly within what we've run in the past. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 12:12, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

So, not a peacock, just a fat baby penguin. Shame we didn't mention Katy Perry wanting to kiss a paste made of crushed garlic, pine nuts, salt and basil leaves? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:23, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

@Martinevans123: It can't be that fat, otherwise you couldn't just p-p-p-pick one up  ;) SerialNumber54129 12:38, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

As far as milk chocolate bars filled with biscuit and chocolate cream go, it's pretty large. Kissed by Katy or not. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:44, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Since there's not really any contest to the assertion that the penguin is large... this chap would like a word  :) SerialNumber54129 12:38, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

• (ec) When reviewing the article for promotion to queue, I did have questions about the use of slang. At the same time, however, looking at the archive for October, we have "barbarously scored with red chalk" without attribution, and September has "learned the hard way to live without patient 'satisfaction'" (and this was initially another unattributed quote)?, "New York's wealthiest janitor", and "a fixture in West Virginia politics", all without attribution. The only major difference is that "an absolute unit" is slang – and, as noted above, quotes don't get rephrased.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:29, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

  I don't think it needs attribution, it's just a paraphrase of stating its a large penguin chick. Assuming it is actually unusual for a penguin chick to weigh more than its parents, that largeness also seems a definite fact. CMD (talk) 12:57, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

  Adopted parents I think. Secretlondon (talk) 13:16, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

  Well, the penguin chick did attract media attention specifically for its unusual size, so I'd say it's definitely warranted here. (Although I might be biased as I was involved in the DYK) Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:10, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Errors in the summary of the featured list

Friday's FL

(October 11, today)

• The bolded link should be more than a single word: I suggest bold-linking "discography of the Linda Lindas" in full. Also, the caption is too long for Main Page use; "The Linda Lindas performing in 2022" should be enough. — RAVENPVFF · talk · 20:56, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• At "with the Los Angeles-based label", pls swap hyphen to a suffix dash. JennyOz (talk) 22:31, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
• "was released on October 11, 2024" - is it okay/normal to use past tense here? ('is due to be', 'will be', 'is being'?) JennyOz (talk) 22:31, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

  All  Fixed. Schwede66 04:23, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

• In "A bomb exploded in the Myyrmanni shopping center in Helsinki, Finland, (aftermath pictured) resulting in 7 deaths and 159 injuries." please move the second comma to after the parenthetical remark. —DocWatson42 (talk) 16:36, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Monday's FL

(October 14)

Errors in the summary of the featured picture

Notice to administrators: When fixing POTD errors, please update the corresponding regular version (i.e. without "protected" in the page title) in addition to the Main Page version linked below.

Tomorrow's POTD

Europa Clipper: NASA now says "no earlier than Sunday, Oct. 13". Pinging User:Amakuru.:Jay8g [V•T•E] 01:33, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

• I've trimmed to "in October 2024", which is correct as of this time stamp. October 13th has Art Tatum for what would have been his 115th birthday, and I do not think it appropriate to bump him.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 10:55, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

General discussion

Experimenting

I've been experimenting with a shadowing template I created and decided to test it in my Main Page sandbox. Please check it out and give me feedback. ~RayLast ^«Talk!» 23:01, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind. It doesn't work for Firefox. Darn I hate these differences. ~RayLast ^«Talk!» 23:06, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

It works fine in my Firefox, having said that I'm using Firefox 3b5. I took a look, its an interesting effect, might steal it for my userpage if you don't mind. Time to see if the masses like it now :). ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 12:07, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't work for Firefox 2. So people won't like it. I'll try and fix it later some time and let you guys know. ~RayLast ^«Talk!» 14:29, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

What was supposed to happen anyway? I saw little gray boxes at the corners. FF 2.0 user. --Howard the Duck 16:16, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll screenshot it in a few minutes, thanks for the intel on my talk page btw Mistman123. ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 16:23, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, it appears my work PC is being as useful as ever, so I'm going to have to extend that "in a few minutes" to in a few hours :( ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 17:31, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I made a screenshot for those who have Firefox 2. I'll be trying to fix this later. Maybe after taxes. ~RayLast ^«Talk!» 18:08, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Well once they roll out FF3.0 there'll be no real need, FF like to make sure everyone is using the correct version. ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 19:39, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

There is actually a significant number of people who use the older versions- see the lower table here. J Milburn (talk) 19:48, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I just wanted your opinions on how it looked. I don't think it should be implemented anytime soon anyway. I'm thinking of adding some image buttons and test some other stuff to make it look nice, although I really like the current, simple, nice colored main page. I don't envy any other Wikipedia main pages in other languages. Simple is nice. ~RayLast ^«Talk!» 20:55, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Wow... that's actually really nice. I don't think it's completely appropriate for the main page but it's an interesting bit of code, that you can actually get it to do that. Well done. I might nick it for my userpage too, when FF3.0 rolls out, and sod the people who deliberately click 'no' at the upgrade prompt. Just looking at the source... doesn't it add a hell of a lot of code to the page it's transcluded on though? Just for a few images/headers? Any way you could shrink that down a bit? —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 09:19, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

It looks great. I'd agree with this being on the Main Page once a stable version of Firefox 3 is released. The people using the older versions won't be hurt in any way, the only difference for them will be the little grey squares. Puchiko (Talk-email) 16:31, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't look correct in Konqueror 3.5.8 either -62.172.143.205 (talk) 19:08, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Yuck... I don't think it looks too good from the screenshot. Makes everything look too deep and complicated. -Tarthen Blazerken (talk) 08:20, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree, it looks a bit Windows 95-ish, if you get me. weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 19:45, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Well anyone interested in helping me fix it for other browsers, you can get/copy the code from {{User:Mistman123/Templates/Shadow}}. I don't have enough time to go through the code and test changes in all these different browsers, so any help is certainly welcome. When you get something working please let me know or post your code's link somewhere so I can check it out and possibly copy it back . ~RayLast ^«Talk!» 20:35, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Safari 3.1 doesn't display this alternate page at all nicely, inserting a small two-tone grey square on the bottom right of the box but no further. Bobo. 02:43, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Yep. The template's page has the Safari caveat too. You can help fix it though. ~RayLast ^«Talk!» 03:39, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Since Firefox 3.0 doesn't run on Linux using wine, I would say ":("--Jahilia (talk) 15:38, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I think it shall once Firefox 3.0 will be released. Right now, it's not Firefox 3.0 it's Firefox 3 Beta 5. Puchiko (Talk-email) 17:27, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

In Netscape I find gray boxes at the corners. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.232.148.109 (talk) 15:20, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

The boxes are shifted in Opera (9.27) down and to the right. Regardless, I took a look at FF3b5. While I do find it kind of distracting, if I had to have some form of it instituted, I'd go without the shadows on the images. The images are unbordered right now and should stay that way. Having borders/shadows is distracting.The freddinator (talk) 02:43, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

May i suggest a colour scheme change? the other language wikis look so much brighter, because the colours are more bold! I liked the example in Mistman123's sandbox, so here is my attempt: User:Kennedygr/sandbox - i like to brighter colours, (at least the left.) havent thought of the right side, and the images on the title bars help too? ← κεηηε∂γ ^{(talk) (secret)} 14:26, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I get the tiny boxes to the lower right.(firefox 1.5.1.12, Adblock+, flashblock, imagezoom, low memory requirements...) The Sreenshot looks very good. Perhaps you can find a site that it works at or poke around at browser watch. 71.193.2.115 (talk) 06:37, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey guys! I think I fixed it!! Please check it out and let me know if it works for all your browsers. If you like it we can put it on the Main Page! Regards. ~RayLast ^«Talk!» 01:12, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Works for me in FF2. Personally I reckon the shading is a little too heavy though. I mean sure it looks good now, but shadows can be the sort of look that gets old quickly. Incidentally, I did something sort of similar with round shadows with a header I made for the top of my talk page a while back (only round in Firefox I think). • Anakin ^(talk) 19:24, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Ick, it's ugly. Sorry. I don't think I could stand looking at that everytime I visited Wikipedia; doesn't really suit the Vista age. weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 19:28, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with WBOSITG...sorry. --^LaPianista! 00:45, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, not bad. I suggest making the shadows a gradient fill rather than 3 superposed rectangles and making them a bit smaller, then you might be on to a winner Modest Genius ^talk 19:21, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I find it works on my version of firefox. (Anonymous) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.190.21.159 (talk) 23:53, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Fernando Lugo Picture

okay, that picture has been there forever, somebody please change it, it's drivin' me crazy! (Well, not literally of course, but you get the point) [LukeTheSpook] | ^{[t c r]} 04:47, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm sick of it too. Any alternatives? J Milburn (talk) 16:28, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Yup.

Ditto. Please, make him go away. BobAmnertiopsis (talk) 19:00, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

• Maoists win a plurality of seats in the Nepalese Constituent Assembly election, the first election in Nepal in nine years (pictured, Maoist-controlled area, Nepal, 2005).

86.44.28.186 (talk) 17:11, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

That picture has some sourcing issues, and isn't directly related to the story. I don't feel comfortable adding that, but maybe someone else will. I thought I was onto a winner with Image:Cpnm-electionsymbol2064.PNG, but it's fair use, and the free-use alternative, Image:South Asian Communist Banner.png, is not specifically tied to that party. J Milburn (talk) 17:21, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Seeing as they haven't had elections in nine years, I think it's pretty related. Also Lugo is driving everyone batshit. 86.44.28.186 (talk) 17:55, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

How much longer is Fernando Lugo going to be the picture. How long?--208.102.189.190 (talk) 17:40, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

How about Image:Danica Patrick by David Shankbone.jpg? Corvus cornix_talk 20:03, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I like that. Any opposition? J Milburn (talk) 20:13, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

much better on the eyes.... [LukeTheSpook] | ^{[t c r]} 05:01, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't exactly object, but it's less than ideal, since that is an older story, and one which was illustrated by Image:Danica-r.JPG for several days prior to Lugo. 86.44.28.186 (talk) 08:08, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Jesus, put that picture up, anything but LLLLUUUGGGGOOOO--UhOhFeeling (talk) 16:48, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

The fact that that somewhat crappy picture has been up for like a week is making wikipedi look bush league.--UhOhFeeling (talk) 16:49, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Morgan Tsvangirai

Morgan Tsvangirai

• How'zabout this guy. It's Morgan Tsvangirai, Robert Mugabe's opponent. It pertains to the most recent article. And, it's public domain. BobAmnertiopsis (talk) 19:00, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Even my love of all things lug-related is being tested. Lugnuts (talk) 19:51, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Please post your suggestions for new ITN pics at WP:ITN/C. Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 20:18, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

An admin specifically asked for suggestions here at a point when ITN/C had nothing. Thanks. 86.44.28.186 (talk) 21:36, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the request for suggestions was posted here. That's fine. I'm asking for responses to that request to be posted at ITN/C, which is on the watchlist of admins monitoring ITN. I guess you don't have one, 86.44.28.186. Please get an account, and you'll get a watchlist, too. --PFHLai (talk) 00:37, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Note that such a suggestion has already been made on my talk page (the correct place for such a suggestion) and that further entreaties have the effect (to me, at least) of a rather hostile sort of badgering. 86.44.28.186 (talk) 10:46, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

• Just to make a note of what's probably obvious now - Lugo is gone. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 05:41, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

"In the news" section rarely updated

The news section is usually several days delayed or even bears odd news that are not "in the news" elsewhere. I love Wikipedia, but the news section is far from indicative of Wikipedia's quality. Wikipedia should decide how this section could be made more attractive for editors. 85.178.38.152 (talk) 06:45, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure what you are suggesting. If it is to list good, new article from wikipedia, you may be looking for Did You Know? If you have a news item you believe should be listed, please suggested it at the ITN candidates page. Thanks. Random89 07:34, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a news site. If you are looking for up to the minute, check out a news site like [2] or [3]. ITN, despite the poor choice in name, is not about news. Therefore it is not surprising that things are usually only added after a few days. Finally the intention of ITN, as with all of the main page is to highlight quality articles for our readers. Editors are irrelevant when it comes to ITN Nil Einne (talk) 08:09, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a news site - so why have a "In The News" section on the front page of a website that claims not to be a news site? Lugnuts (talk) 10:09, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Pls see Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page. --199.71.174.100 (talk) 05:15, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

In example, instead of putting news like the London election, Zimbabwe's election outcome or the Dalai Lama's envoys to the main page (as other Wikipedia language versions do!) the english Wikipedia has a train collision on its main page that happened one week ago. Of course, this is a noteworthy incident, but this doesn't match my expectations about this section, because "Wikipedia is not a news site". A bit of timeliness and especially a bit of international importance is good even for Wikipedia, since that will attract a group of users Wikipedia won't have otherwise: political interested people searching for important information on current occasions. 85.178.51.32 (talk) 05:51, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Maybe we should cut ITN down (half?) and not keep old news there for too long. This may free up some MainPage space for "Biography of the Day". BOTD can be used for obituaries of famous people the day after their death and we can stop arguing about the ITN death criteria over and over and over and ..... --PFHLai (talk) 14:58, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Let's face it. The "In The News" section on the main page is broken. Whereas all of the other sections, like Featured Articles, get updated every day, ITN gets two or three new news items a week. As mentioned above, the same picture of Fernando Lugo has been on ITN since April 20, almost two weeks. In addition, deaths like Arthur C. Clarke don't make it to the main page, nor items of "local" interest like the London mayoral election. I think a lot of editors would support something more open and dynamic. If you would like to help me in this reform proposal, please see Wikipedia:In The News 2.0. Thanks. Lovelac7 23:03, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

It needs to be updated more frequently. Alternatively, it could be called "In the Olds". --Kaizer13 (talk) 23:14, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

The trouble is finding "qualifying" items per current ITN guidelines. I see a revolution is brewing. Good.  :-) Please be encouraged to publicise at the village pump. --PFHLai (talk) 01:13, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Nancy Pelosi's ITN pic

Whose picture has spent more time on ITN, Nancy Pelosi or Fernando Lugo? :-) --199.71.174.100 (talk) 05:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

While I would agree that there are some issues with ITN as it operates now, I would claim that it is better off being tinkered with and "fixed" than having it removed or completely changed. There is a current proposal to change the death inclusion criteria, which would have led to Clarke being included, and a fairly new guideline is helping end the constant debates over which sports events are being included. The solution to fix ITN is for everyone to suggest more items: For example, the Dalai Lama envoy never even reached ITN candidates. Random89 22:25, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Dating! Wouldn't you think that news item lines would begin with the date the event happened? Besides giving salient information, this might also help to point up items that have become overripe and are begging for removal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.160.20.30 (talk) 15:36, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Problems reading in Black Wikipedia skin

Someone needs to change the Main Page section backgrounds to clear. It's extremely tough to read in Black Wikipedia as Black Wikipedia automatically changes all text to light green. --Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 18:23, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Are you sure this isn't a flaw in the black wikipedia skin? Nil Einne (talk) 19:33, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Most skins have flaws. I tried one skin and I wasn't notified on new messages. --Howard the Duck 03:56, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure. It does that so text on most pages doesn't blend in with the background. --Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 17:24, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

In my experience the default skin is the only one that works properly. People just don't take the other skins into account when making stylistic changes. _(1 == 2)^Until 17:25, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I know. As I said above, it could easily be fixed by changing it from "white" to "clear". --Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 17:57, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Racists. Cigarette (talk) 20:24, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Lol (if that was a joke) :). ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 01:55, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

But seriously. Switch Black WP on and you'll see what I mean. --Gp75motorsports ^{REV LIMITER} 10:41, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Where is this skin anyway? It doesn't seem to be one of the default skins and your myskin doesn't seem to have anything Nil Einne (talk) 09:09, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

2008 London Mayoral Election

The final result is nearly announced on London Elects and I believe placing the winner on the Main Page section's In the news would be okay. xeryus (talk) 22:51, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Heads of government, yes, leaders of cities, no. Corvus cornix_talk 22:53, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Yep, saw it also on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news_section_on_the_Main_Page/Candidates. xeryus (talk) 22:58, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Despite having followed the story, I don't think it's worthy of ITN. J Milburn (talk) 23:11, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Well it was the biggest story in the UK today (3rd May) and the biggest political event here since the last general election. Non-UK readers may not appreciate that in the UK it is a bit more signifcant than just a municipal election. From the UK point of view ignoring it in ITN is rather like ignoring an Elephant in the room.(Goldmanuk (talk) 00:37, 4 May 2008 (UTC))

Yes but ITN is for internationally important events, city heads only counts as nationally important. ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 07:59, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

We had the governor of New York last month!...... Dendodge.Talk^Help 19:46, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

If I'd noticed that I might have objected, having said that I usually let stuff like that slide because I can't be bothered complaining, so probably not. ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 23:17, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but that was because he was the first black governor of New York, and the first blind governor of New York (second country wide). It was also an effect of the Eliot Spitzer prostitution scandal. Puchiko (Talk-email) 13:39, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Well that just demonstrates my point that some "local" elections have implications that are newsworthy on a national and international level. That was exactly the case with Boris Johnson's remarkable win. I think it was certainly at least as newsworthy in the Anglophone world as say the Nepalese assembly elections. (Goldmanuk (talk) 20:53, 5 May 2008 (UTC))

Not really, as Boris gets no international power or recognition from it. In fact, on an international level, he could have been argued to have more power in his old job. On another note- remarkable? Come on, everyone saw it coming. J Milburn (talk) 21:09, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Logo

Why there is a thin white line running under the globe in the logo? Vinni3 (talk) 20:38, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

It's something that has been noted before—I don't recall what the issue is that it cannot be corrected, as on [4] et al.

Damn, the one you've linked to looks so much better, not just saying that or anything, somehow looks more toned. ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 23:20, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Some rather bad cropping, I believe. That's how it looks to me anyway. Also, please don't swear. Look at WP:TALK. Lunakeet 14:40, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Have you even read the guideline you cited? The closest it has are comments regarding our civility guidelines, but as Wikipedia is not censored, that swearing wasn't directed at anyone and that is perhaps the least offensive 'swearing' out there, I can't see any problem with it. J Milburn (talk) 15:20, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I'm going to need a citation on what stops me from saying damn. I'm very familiar with Wikipedia policys and guidelines, including the one you put forward, and I see none that stop me from doing the following: Fuck, shit, bolloxs. ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 17:41, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Also the cropping in the logo seems fine to me, the logo is identicle in size to the one without the white outline, and the greyscale looks far more vivid too. ☯Ferdia O'Brien ^(T)/_(C) 17:43, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

just from looking at the images i'd say it's poor anti-aliasing or poor matting - selecting to anti alias an image against a white background and using it on a gray background causes fringes. 10:05, 6 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.100.114.76 (talk)

Featured lists?

In the section where it says "Today's featured article" why not put featured lists in there too? If you don't want to because theres not enough content in a list, why not put an article like List of storms in the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season since its not just a table. It looks like an article, yet it will never be on the front page? -- 70.134.94.54 (talk) 02:48, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

As stated on WP:LOTD, a featured list of the day is currently in an experimental mode. It may be several months before such an item would be featured on the main page. Cheers. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 03:02, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Whitespace caused by margin-top

The margin-top in the first <table> on the Main Page is causing some quite unseemly whitespace in Firefox when logged out. Removing margin-top entirely causes too little whitespace. Perhaps some CSS gurus could take a look? A screenshot of the problem is available here (though the screenshot does not include the recently-re-added donation banner and anon tip). --MZMcBride (talk) 05:26, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Berlicked

To have the food around the office eaten like a plague of locusts.