Wikipedia talk:WikiProject R&B and Soul Music
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WP:UNDUE issue at Chris Brown (American singer)
Opinions are needed on this matter. Earlier, I reverted to the previous formatting, per my reasoning at Talk:Chris Brown (American singer)#section 1.4 needs to be reWritten : 2008–09: Graffiti album and domestic violence case. Splitting up the sections to where his domestic violence case is highlighted is a sure case of WP:UNDUE. There is no valid reason to highlight the section by making it its own section and separating it from his career efforts at that time, especially since it (the domestic violence case) affected those efforts. It makes more sense to keep all that information there in one place. This is also how biographies of living people are typically done -- avoiding Criticism or Controversy sections by themselves. They especially follow chronological order. If the Michael Jackson article (which is featured) can combine controversy with career happenings without any problems, then I do not see why this article cannot as well. Flyer22 (talk) 05:21, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
"All In Love Is Fair"
Trying to work out if there were one, two or more songs/albums of this name on the go in the mid 1970's.
Nancy Wilson (jazz singer) links to All In Love Is Fair as a 1974 album of hers. All in love is fair redirects to Innervisions (a 1973 Stevie Wonder album) which mentions that "All in Love is Fair" was a later hit for Barbra Streisand, who recorded it and released as a single in 1974.
Billboard Decade-End as a parallel to Billboard Year-End
Please comment at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Music#Billboard_Decade-End_as_a_parallel_to_Billboard_Year-End so that all discussion is in one place.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:52, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
AFD for Dario (Singer)
I figured I'd cross post this here to get some input from the R&B WikiProject:
If I Could Turn Back the Hands of Time
Wikipedia has an article about a song of this title. But it refers to something from the nineties by R. Kelly.
Unmentioned is the fact that there was a different song, of the same title, recorded by Tyrone Davis. I hadn't heard this song in years but Otis Clay played it at his Millennium Park concert in Chicago the other night. It's a great song, and Wikipedia should have something about it. I myself know nothing about it or about Tyrone Davis so I'm not really a potential author, but it should not be unmentioned.
On further review, there is a Wikipedia page about this song: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_Back_the_Hands_of_Time_(song). But the title of this song is "Turn Back the Hands of Time", not "If I Could Turn Back the Hands of Time". Disambiguation links might be appropriate.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Stevecoh1 (talk • contribs) 21:21, 6 August 2011
WikiProject Prince proposal
Page location discussion
WikiProject Ciara proposal
WikiWomen's History Month
Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:R&B and Soul Music will have interest in putting on events related to women's roles in these genres; as musicians, performers, subjects, etc. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 19:10, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
The ledes for some articles on Prince's albums:
Nomination of List of unreleased Michael Jackson material for featured list removal
I have nominated List of unreleased Michael Jackson material for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Rubiscous (talk) 17:20, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
A new barnstar
I present a new barnstar for your WikiProject!
I have nominated 4 Minutes (Madonna song) for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Dana boomer (talk) 21:47, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Two points...how do I put a newish artist [Misha B] under your wing, secondly
Me and another editor Rui78901 are having a difference of opinion about layout and content of the Misha B page, over the last three weeks the have been a few reverts, both ways, we have started a discussion on the talk page, if you have time please contribute any advice, comment or recommendation either way or other. Thank you in advance. ....Zoebuggie☺whispers 13:34, 5 August 2012
Misha B music genres
Question that you may ask is does Misha B come under your Soul and R&B wing.
Misha's music genre is hard to pin down :) MB is an artist who does not want to be boxed into Genres, but expressly/actively determined to mix genres and experiment with styles. Below is a non-exhaustive list of sources that refer to Bryan's genre. The Genres in normal brackets are simple ones I have not so far used on the info box.
A bit of help from the Wikiproject.
I nominated Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of songs recorded by Leona Lewis/archive2 over a month ago and it hasn't had many comments from reviewers and editors. One of the reviewers hasn't been online for over a week, and another hasn't responded to some comments I have replied. I was advised to leave a note on the list's wikiproject's asking for anyone who may have some time to spare to review the list and leave comments. A vote on whether or not you feel the article is worthy of FL status would also be appreciated so that the FLC can make some progress. Thanks. Aaron • You Da One 23:39, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
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Justin Bieber listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Жастин Бибер and Джастин Бибер. Since you had some involvement with the Justin Bieber redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). 18.104.22.168 (talk) 04:57, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
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CfD nomination of Category:Spoken word soul
On a related note: Category:Spoken word soul has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for discussion page. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 14:56, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
Wikiproject Leona Lewis proposal
Hello, I have proposed the created of Wikiproject Leona Lewis at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Leona Lewis. Please would you cast a vote or raise any questions in a discussion. Thanks. AARON• TALK 14:06, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Would anyone from the Wikiproject like to leave any comments which they feel concerns them or would cast a vote in support or opposition based on your findings, I would much appreciate it. The list has garnered several good (and resolved) reviews, but no votes have been cast. Thanks. AARON• TALK 12:23, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Nomination of Urban jazz for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Urban jazz is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.
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Speed Demon (song), an article that your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article.--Tomcat (7) 18:36, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
If anyone has a free moment an independent third party comment about what music genres should be listed on the Misha B / Talk:Misha B pages would be useful. Misha B has only released two official tracks, but has covered dozens of others, the is references to her influences and forthcoming album too....Zoebuggie☺whispers 13:10, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Hush Hush
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Hush Hush#Requested move regarding the page "Hush Hush." Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, Tyrol5 [Talk] 02:09, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
AFD for Raydiation 2 (Ray J's upcoming album)
Raydiation is an album that is coming out in the future with no indication of when. I propose deletion of the page and then redirection into Ray J per the normal consensus for these types of albums. Thebirdlover (talk) 05:33, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
AFD for James Fauntleroy II
Apart from being a member of the production teams The Underdogs and The Y's and being a member of the hip hop group Cocaine 80s, James Fauntleroy II holds no stand-alone notability. Status 03:09, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Not sure why it is not on the list, but in my opinion a band as influential as Zapp really deserves a huge cleanup and slightly more expansion. If anyone will read this please add it to the to do list of articles to improve on, thanks. I will be making efforts to improve the article too. Kaleidoscopic God (talk) 17:12, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Anyone willing to help out with the Michael Jackson's health and appearance article? The same back and forth mess is still going on at that article, such as with this and this edit by "new editor" Firstcomp, especially with regard to Jackson's skin color and whatever plastic surgery he might have had. See Talk:Michael Jackson's health and appearance for further detail. Flyer22 (talk) 21:56, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
Dazz Band needs an accuracy check and probably more citations. It also needs more people watchlisting the article due to slow-motion attempts to change the information in the article in ways that contradict the listed sources.
If the listed sources are factually incorrect, they need to be augmented with other reliable sources so that it is clear that the dispute is based on contradictory reliable sources. If it's clear that the sources used are actually in error, this needs to be logged on the talk page, the source replaced, and the article corrected.
I will be asking for PC1 on this article. If PC1 is added, it can be removed when either the number of watchers grows or when the issues that are leading to the slow-motion edit war (namely, changing information that contradicts a presumably-reliable source without supplying a reliable source to back the newly-added information) are resolved. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 16:56, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
There's a bit of a dispute at Bad (Michael Jackson song) over a date.
Which date is right? And where could I find sources verifying either date? Googling "Michael Jackson" "Bad" "January 1987" turned up only Wikipedia mirrors and false positives. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 06:22, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
Leaflet For Wikiproject R&B and Soul Music At Wikimania 2014
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Grammy Award templates
Suddenly a raft of less important Grammy Awards templates are being created. Please join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Awards and prizes#Grammy Award templates.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:06, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
The wrong meaning of singer-songwriter
Tonight I noticed that a bunch of articles show the wrong meaning of singer-songwriter, which ought to be limited to a primarily solo artist who writes political or socially topical songs. Think of Bob Dylan or Woody Guthrie.
The R&B articles I have been seeing contain the mistaken assumption that a singer-songwriter is simply a singer who writes songs. For instance, Michael Jackson was never a singer-songwriter, even though he sang and wrote. Somebody who dances and sings is not a singer-songwriter. Somebody who writes popular songs is not a singer-songwriter.
Another problems is that we have one or more categories that carry forward the mistake: Category talk:American rhythm and blues singer-songwriters.
Genre issue on GA nominated article
Hello. An editor and I have hit a stand still in an article related to this project regarding genre. Could some editors weight in on it here please? thank you! Andrzejbanas (talk) 00:44, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
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I've nominated a WP:FA article related to this project for WP:TFAR consideration as Today's Featured Article, please see discussion at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/Irreplaceable. — Cirt (talk) 20:40, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
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I know nothing
I got an invitation to join this project, but I have no special knowledge. I do like this type of music and am intersested in helping in any way that I can, but I have no idea how to start. Think of me as a secretary. Give me something to do... Cliff (talk) 18:16, 8 May 2015 (UTC)requested move discussion has been initiated for Sade Adu to be moved to Sade. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 22:30, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Amber (performer) listed at Requested movesrequested move discussion has been initiated for Amber (performer) to be moved to Amber (singer). This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 22:32, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Amber (singer) listed at Requested movesrequested move discussion has been initiated for Amber (singer) to be moved to Amber (singer). This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 04:59, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
There has been some dispute as to whether or not Meghan Trainor should be included in the scope of this WikiProject. Feel free to comment here if you are interested. –Chase (talk / contribs) 07:54, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
Discussion regarding single artwork in song articles
Concerns regarding FA quality
I've just tidied up The Long and Winding Road a little, and removed some unsourced trivia. The article doesn't appear to me as either FA or GA quality in terms of coverage, prose, and MoS requirements - it was promoted in 2004, and reviewed again in 2006, and hasn't been well maintained. I will not have the time to tidy up the article or take my concerns further, however it seems appropriate to raise those concerns rather than merely pass on by, so, per the stage one process at Wikipedia:Featured article review I have left a note on the article talkpage, and am notifying relevant Projects. It is unlikely I will be getting involved further. SilkTork ✔Tea time 16:18, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
I have nominated List of awards and nominations received by Alicia Keys for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:02, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
Discussion regarding terminology of singles
Draft:Michael Jackson & The Jacksons – Month To Month Recording Session Guide
Anyone interested in helping with Draft:Michael Jackson & The Jacksons – Month To Month Recording Session Guide? It was recently created by a very, very new editor (The Doctor 1170) and he could definitely use some help with this. It's written like a personal blog, is unsourced, and I'm worried that it might be considered too indiscriminate for Wikipedia, but I could maybe see the potential merit in having a recording guide to an artist's work. I'm going to post this in a few places looking for help. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 11:40, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
List of charted recordings from American Sound Studio
Hello, the current article American Sound Studio states "Between 1967 and 1971 approximately 120 hit songs were produced, and listed in the top 100 of Billboard, at the American Sound Studio. During one week span 25% of Billboards top 100 not only came from the same studio but featured the same band backing a variety of artists."
I propose to compile a list of these recordings for addition to the article, or for a new article. Would anyone like to help me? Specifically I can use help in compiling the data, and in formatting the list. I am thinking of a table format in chronological order, listing: Release date, Title, Artist, Chart# US, Chart# UK, other charts tba, Producer. Maybe add certification i.e. Gold?
I just started the article for "International Lover", the song that earned Prince his first Grammy nomination. There is a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Songs#.22International_Lover.22 regarding my need for assistance in improving the article.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:24, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
Auto-assessment of article classes
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Would someone mind taking a look at Wolf Krakowski and assessing it. It's unsourced so it's not clear if he is notable per WP:MUSICBIO or even WP:GNG. Article was created back in 2004 (when the notability guidelines might have been a little laxer than they are now), so it's not eligible for WP:BLPPROD. I googled his name and got quite a few hits, but nothing looked like the significant coverage needed for GNG. Perhaps someone else knows where better sources might be found? Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:56, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
Like I'm Gonna Lose You, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. — Calvin999 07:55, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Proposed split of Michael Jackson double A-side article
The article about Michael Jackson's 1997 double A-side single HIStory/Ghosts has been proposed to be split into two separate articles, one for each song. Interested editors may discuss here. Chase (talk | contributions) 23:42, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Re: Sober (Selena Gomez song)
Project members are welcome to help determine the appropriateness of the article Sober (Selena Gomez song) at Talk:Sober (Selena Gomez song). Thanks! ---Another Believer (Talk) 16:38, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Popular pages report
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