User talk:Drmies

I've kind of had it with the good advice. Apparently anyone, admins included, can get away with, are even applauded for, calling other editors and admins corrupt, cronies, abusive--but "you're not so smart" is blockable. Yeah, we're not going to get anywhere with our precious civility.

Please

If you leave, I'll rampage!

• Don't go!!!! Our buzzard hasn't been fully cooked yet, and I'd miss Moosezilla. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:45, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
  • I know! You can't leave yet! The Emergency Bra doesn't have an article. (Patent, official website, Ignoble Prize) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:24, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
• I just got banned from a user's talk page for saying the sentence, "It is a huge no-no". I was not aware that saying "no-no" is only appropriate to a three-year old, thus I was treating them as a child. I'm also in a "why am I here and why do I take this crap" mood. Only a matter of time before we all don't have an answer and leave. Bgwhite (talk) 05:39, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
• Drmies. Remember the number of good people who you've met through here. Like me. You edit for them, not for the drama. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 06:01, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
• I must have missed something. This is what happens when I go camping? Who is going to write the plot of Sharknado 3? These are the things that keep me up at night. Also, I watched Pulp Fiction on the plane yesterday, I had forgotten what an awesome movie that was. Also, did you know that the "L" in Samuel L. Jackson stands for motherfucker? --kelapstick^(bainuu) 11:39, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
  • In addition, did you know that Buzz Aldrin won't release his famous space selfie photo under Creative Commons? I uploaded it to commons as PD-NASA, but have since nominated it for deletion, as I don't really know if it qualifies, I had asked he release it just to be sure, which he declined. If anyone knows much about NASA PD, I'd appreciate some more input over there.--kelapstick^(bainuu) 23:48, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
• This would never have happened if Lsjbot wrote all our articles.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 13:52, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
• Drmies. I've only been asleep for a few hours and it seems I may have missed a hint of something of epic importance. Are you hinting at departure? Oh surely not. My heart would bleed. I have just stated elsewhere that you are the only admin I trust and admire. My admiration for you is profound and the ability to escape to and contribute to your hallowed talk page is the warmest fuzzy on Wikipedia. And you write such beautiful prose; here, there and everywhere. Please be encouraged. With deepest respect and regards. Fylbecatulous talk 14:53, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Drmies, you are needed. Take a break if you must, you've said it's rough teaching in the summer. But I just discovered that User:Hafspajen may be leaving and I come over here to see if you know and find this? One of our best editors and Admins talking about leaving? Do I really need to do the guilt thing also? Or threaten to sit in your doorway and cry? Dougweller (talk) 20:44, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

• I don't think comments such as those made today by Jusdafax at User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#.22Why_is_Wikipedia_Sexist.22 have helped matters. One of those brands the entire admin corps as corrupt & I know that Drmies has been mystified on their talk page. I'll mail you, Drmies, when my blood pressure returns to normal. - Sitush (talk) 20:53, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
• I don't see any concrete hints of leaving? But nonetheless, if not drama, then there is always bacon to improve upon. And you can never have enough of that. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 21:03, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
• I would say what Fylbecatulous said, but he already did. I can echo the sentiment, though. Stop, deep breath, smell the bacon, (a-h-h-h-h!) and take up your bed and walk. Geoff ^{Who, me?} 22:07, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
• If all the people with clue leave, we'll be left with only those to whom the dreaded edit summary at the centre of this kerfuffle applies. Rather than shouting about the gender gap, we should be trying to solve the clue gap. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:42, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Yesterday's featured picture

Did you know that when we were in France in April and May, we actually saw this flower, and now I know what it is. I have pictures of it, too, although none of mine was featured. :-) As for your comment above and the ensuing discussion, I'm going to deny what is not possible. Enjoy the pool. See ya.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:31, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Outraged

Who was blocked for saying "You're not so smart"? I'm sure we can get such a block overturned real fast, then welcome you back into the fold. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:45, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

@Demiurge1000: The block was removed about 4 hours after it went in. Currently its at AN/I as a review of the close of the challenge to the close of the block review, Jimbos talk page in a dozen subsections, about a dozen talk pages of admins, managed to infect the Bureaucrats notice board, and various other sundry places of discussion. Last I checked, the current push is to argue that the unblocking admin some how violated the Wikipedia Terms of Service. Monty₈₄₅ 02:09, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

For saying "You're not so smart"? Do we have a diff of that being said? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:45, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

This is the diff in question (edit summary) [1] but its also after he used the C word and was already up against the ropes for incivility (and the alleged sexism) Gaijin42 (talk) 03:20, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. So "You're not so smart" isn't actually what was said. Puzzling. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 07:04, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

The phrase is the kind of thing a grandmother would say to a young child, so in spoken English it doesn't have a pejorative connotation- more like "you're not thinking properly". "You're not so smart" seems to have a different meaning (to me it's US English usage). Pisda is a small village in Nigeria. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 07:39, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

• Paraphrase, Demiurge. It's done all over Wikipedia. Not so puzzling. You are welcome to come up with your own interpretation of "were you hiding behind the door when God handed out brains?"--you'll have to note, first of all, that the editor was speaking metaphorically. Many readings are possible, of course, and "you're stupid" is probably the most serious of 'em. Blockable? Pfff. Tell me what the punishment should be for this, if "stupid" is blockable. Mind you, I wouldn't have blocked for that remark. Gaijin, you'll have to accept that if someone says something not directed at any person, and he's told that he did again and again, even though he didn't, well, at some point one loses their patience--to the extent that he calls a person "not so smart". You've lost your patience too on occasion, as have I, and we've probably said worse things--and after reading up on Jimbo's talk page, where apparently now Sitush has become the poster child for the kind of sexism that apparently drives people away in droves, I'm about to lose my patience again. Sitush may well be wrong about many things--I certainly don't agree that there is no sexism, or that it's not a problem--but "without honor"? Which, by the way, is a completely masculine-inflected turn of phrase, from the time of chivalry. He Who Uttered that phrase is probably good at holding doors for the ladies. Me, I prefer to hold the door for everyone and to teach Marie de France instead of some Arthurian stuff. Wanna know what we can do to combat sexism, like in real life? Ask Crisco about the buzzard, and then go teach that text.

  Later all, and please, while I appreciate all the words of support, I do not deserve this attention, and I don't matter. Wikipedia needs two things. Apparently we need to Strongly Combat Rampant Incivility Even Though It's Only A Small Core Of Assholes And Their Enablers, and we got some articles to write and some POV to neutralize. Of course if Sitush is neutered, and since Boing! apparently left, we'll have to give up on the area of caste--but hey, that's the price you pay. See, now I've done it again, and I need to finish my grading. Drmies (talk) 14:53, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

  • Funny Drmies, I thought Wikipedia only needed one thing... People to, you know, write an encyclopedia? That is what this is, isn't it? Why we are here? I think I read that somewhere... I certainly have my own opinions (on a number of these matters). Like yours, they don't matter. Why bother talking to people, I find oversensitivity uncivil. The more I talk to people, the more I like my Dog... Where is Hafspajen when we need him, I need a good pug picture. I guess the big question is, who the fuck cares? And that is a question for a lot these situations. How long has this gone on for, two days? How much time could people have spent writing articles rather than fussing about over an edit summary, and the subsequent nuclear fall out that comes of it. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 19:09, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

A pug for k-stick

• kelapstick, Funny peculiar, that you should mention Hafspajen. He seems to have sadly absented himself as well. Chaos is indeed occurring all around us. Fylbecatulous talk 19:25, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

• Not peculiar I should mention him, intentional... I am aware of his hiatus. --kelapstick^(bainuu) 19:36, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you for replying. I am happy to see you have been gifted with a pug to decorate this page anyway. All the best. Fylbecatulous talk 02:10, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

• When we paraphrase, Drmies, we don't use quotation marks. Your use of quotation marks led me to imagine, not unreasonably, that this was a quotation. It wasn't. I am glad to be able to be less outraged (and less puzzled) now that I am better informed, albeit no wiser. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:27, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

• Well, my apologies if I was obtuse. The paraphrasing was to avoid the relative verbosity of the original poster. Drmies (talk) 17:38, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Advise

Hi Drmies, I'm doing my best to hold up my end of the self-imposed IBan with LB, but its difficult to say the least. Granted, I realize that I said "If ceasing to talk about, near, in reference to, or anywhere in the neighborhood of LB will suddenly make her less tendentious, then I'll stop immediately",[2] but her ongoing paranoia based accusations are difficult to ignore let alone not address. For example, she keeps referencing being emailed offsite when making comments or accusations about me. She's quick to say that she has no way of knowing who sent the email, but the inference is there nonetheless.

Admittedly, I have made postings in the last few days that reference her comments, but not addressing her directly. You might have noticed some of this on Jimbo's Talk page and the Talk page for the Gender Gap Task Force. Other than "try harder to ignore it" any sage wisdom you can provide would be appreciated.

Like I said on Callanec's page, I really just don't care enough about her to make the effort to harass her; not that harassment is worth doing for anyone. But if I was as overtly malicious and nefarious as LB makes the effort to portray me, why would I be wasting my time on Wikipedia and not out in the real world causing chaos. I'm not a blogger or a journalist (as LB states she is), I'm just a regular guy who likes this site and sees it as a positive thing. On my User page I have these words emblazoned across the top and have for longer than this thing has been going on with LB...

My overall viewpoint towards Wikipedia is that is it a place of learning and a means to counteract ignorance and bigotry. My reason for this belief is that the lack of knowledge is the seed of bigotry. The more knowledgeable and enlightened people there are, in my opinion, the less ignorance and bigotry we will have in the world.

Call it my personal mission statement or Wikipedia mantra or what have you, but I mean it. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 18:52, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

OK, it just got a little easier because now its become comical...! LB and I are now BOTH members of the Gender Gap Task Force, the Firearms Project, AND the Pornography Project.[3][4] --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 19:25, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

• I've lowered my level of activity, Hot rod, in part because of the aftereffects of something she set in motion. So I'm not the best person to ask for advice right now. But if you want to ban yourself from interacting with her, you probably don't want to sign up for a project that she's a member of. Later, and good luck with it, Drmies (talk) 19:34, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

• Wow, that's unfortunate. Point taken, but I did not join Gender Gap for any reason that has to do with LB, it just looks like a good project and I'm trying to make a worthwhile contribution. Sorry for the clutter on your Talk page and thank you for your efforts. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 20:07, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Question about Dan56's RfC/U

Hello there, Drmies. I noticed that you are a certifier at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Dan56, and because I have something I want to add I thought you could help me. I recently had an unpleasant experience with this user, and I wanted to add that to the RfC/U, but I'm not sure if it's an endorsement or an outside view. You can see what I've written at User:Flow Ridian/sandbox. Can you please offer me some guidance in that regard? Thanks! Flow Ridian (talk) 22:54, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

• Flow Ridian, I think an outside view will count as an endorsement of sorts. I always thought of the format as slightly less formal than an ArbCom thing, so it shouldn't matter so much. Please keep in mind that the purpose is not to get someone blocked or something like that--it's to give pointers to someone who has been, let's say, difficult to get along with. Good luck, Drmies (talk) 17:35, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks! Flow Ridian (talk) 18:24, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

The contents of WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Jazzerino is probably interesting to you. Flow Ridian and Harmelodix have both been blocked.—Kww(talk) 19:12, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

A new kind of pork

	Pig out
	I just tried this the other day. Kinda disgusting actually, but one should never turn down a chance to taste a pig. A Puka dog, OTOH is something not to be missed. Think of a hot dog in a sleeve roll, injected with delicious relishes and Hawaiian mustard. Two kinds of pork (talk) 03:20, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Like--Mark Miller (talk) 03:48, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Between you and I

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:53, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

• Between you and I, that's a good article. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:36, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Very well done! OK, it's not a complete sentence, but anyway. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:35, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Sharktopus vs. Pteracuda

You'll have to let me know how it is. My brain's at the point that "Pteracuda" actually sounds logical compared to ANI. At least it beats marking papers! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:47, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

• Oh, it's beyond terrible. These guys figured out how to do some special effects, and then concoct a terrible story around a skeleton crew that works on all their movies. And there's always girls in bikinis, though not as many as in Piranhaconda. I'm done with papers, by the way--phew. Hang in there, Chris. I won't be at ANY anytime soon, unless I get summoned of course, but I'm keeping my head firmly in the sand, tool and all, I think. Drmies (talk) 17:33, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
  • I'd rather keep my head in fine grains of gold, but then I'd end up with too many stalkers. Beyond Terrible? *tempted to search for it* — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:57, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
  • And on another note: Piranhaconda? So there's finally a piranha movie worse than Piranha 2? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:00, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Very silly

Can you please cast an eye over the book titles at Die Swart Luiperd? Three of us have had fun translating them from Afrikaans, but I'm wondering whether mine were accurate. Plus they are jolly good stuff, IMO. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:07, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

• Sure. Send me a couple, for when I'm done with Percy Jackson. Drmies (talk) 18:38, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks :-) Who knew ... Yngvadottir (talk) 19:26, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for August 4

Hi. Thank you for your recent edits. Wikipedia appreciates your help. We noticed though that you've added some links pointing to disambiguation pages. Such links are almost always unintended, since a disambiguation page is merely a list of "Did you mean..." article titles. Read the FAQ • Join us at the DPL WikiProject.

Ian Wood (scholar)

added a link pointing to Church History

Rob Meens

added a link pointing to Church History

It's OK to remove this message. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, DPL bot (talk) 09:35, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

• The full title of the publication is Church History: Studies in Christianity and Culture (mentioned on page American Society of Church History). I have no idea how to alter the link. I did a stupid thing on Friday- mistook a French flag for a Dutch flag, failed to use a magnifying glass, nearly bid an excessive amount on a postcard with craquelure in a fancy frame.Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 09:56, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks--I see that StAnselm was nice enough to clean up after me. Drmies (talk) 15:00, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

• There was an article? Feel even more dumb now Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 19:18, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

• Ha, yes and no--I thought there was, but it's a redirect to the ASCH. It's a really good journal, by the way, and I should really try to get published in it. :) Drmies (talk) 20:42, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

• My editor won't respond to me anymore. The world has forgotten my brilliance. Can I paint your shed? I'll do it for some grits and a clean shirt.  davidiad { t } 04:50, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

• I'll join, but I'm more expensive. I need bacon with my grits. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:58, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

If it's any consolation...

Both the editor who started the RfC and another who supported it have been blocked as socks of an editor who's had a deep-seeded issue with me, thus confirming the suspicions I've had all along. Dan56 (talk) 06:44, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you Dan56, and I'm sorry someone put you through all this. But I see there's CU evidence, for future troubles. I've left comments in various places, as you've no doubt seen. Thank you for the note, Drmies (talk) 14:51, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the message at Kww's talk page. In response to your question, I suspected it when Harmelodix made his first edits to Wikipedia, continuing where the previous blocked user had left off at a few of the articles I had been contributing to significantly, particularly Dark Magus. After two days of noticing he had been editing such articles (similar to the ones Jazzerino had with the same kind of changes), I made a report at "More_possible_sock_puppetry_related_to_Jazzerino" and later at Past ANI revisited", both of which were not given a legitimate chance/review. I'm grateful though that Kww took a look into it recently. Ironically, the result of Harmelodix's report back then was to encourage me to assume good faith more with new users, which can be difficult as evinced by not just Harmelodix, but the other one I notified Kww about here. Hopefully, the sockmaster has been discouraged by all this enough to move on. Dan56 (talk) 17:32, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Codex and consolation

Thank you for your Boniface-related articles! Teach me: the articles which name a codex by a place are named "place Codex", the others "Codex other", - is this one special? - Did you know why you should read that soprano Ada Cherry Kearton was married to wildlife photographer Cherry Kearton and recounted their travels in her autobiography On Safari? - Would you believe that a RM close that took a lot of my energy in 2012 is still hotly debated (on the talk, to be precise, and I didn't have the last word ...)? - I wonder if lambananas are sweet? - "He who speaks a word of consolation ..." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:36, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

• Well, that's what reliable sources call it! ;) Don't take his word for it--see what Lutz von Padberg calls it. There are occurrences for "Codex Ragyndrudis" as well, just not so many. Also, no, I don't, though I just did--I suspect this has something to do with the South-African pulp novels I was asked to look at. Finally, I've not seen that RM, and I suppose I was unaware that Mkativerata had resigned and all that. Just another occasion of me missing some perfectly good drama... Drmies (talk) 20:58, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

The singer is one of the set of about 160 BBC-related articles hat Andy proposed to the arbs to get permission to add infoboxes himself. They said no, but Voceditenore added one to this, in an admirable act of generosity. - Did you miss the perfectly bad drama that brought me close to asking for consolation? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:17, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Ah. Sorry, I gave up on infoboxes... Yes, I saw the Boingish drama and have left a note there. My name was actually brought up there, in the context of An Attempt To Bribe Manchester. I love Sitush. Drmies (talk) 22:01, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Nothing requested from you in terms of infoboxes, only admiration ;) - Looking closer, I saw your beer, thanks for sharing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:06, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

I admire everyone on all sides of the infobox dispute--how's that? Drmies (talk) 01:28, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

There's no infobox dispute I know of. - An editor formatted the attempt of an infobox by a newbie, - he was observed, taken to arbitration enforcement, which found "no violation", but he is still treated as if he did something wrong and should not have made that improving edit, simply sad, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:11, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

I've been nibbling away at the horrible language in Charles Close without even noticing it had an infobox- just had a look to find out. These boxes remind me of the backs of cigarette cards or baseball cards, or maybe Pokemon (Charles' allegiance is UK, his favourite letters are K,C,O,B and E, and his activity is Mapping War). Infoboxes are excellent for describing steam locomotives. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 10:27, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

I improved it a bit. - One of the common miunderstandings: an infobox is not there to describe, but to make key information available at a glance. I would not have found his place of death easily in the article. - Back to my sadness: whatever topic, if an user made a helpful edit he should be praised. Here, he was asked to self-revert. Would you (y'all) do such a thing? (To be precise, I meant would you self-revert a good edit, but the other question, would you ask, might also worthy of consideration.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:15, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree - it's there to make it easy to find key information. One problem is that some information is too disputed or ambiguous for infoboxes but editors still add it. See my userpage for a statement on infoboxes you might like. Dougweller (talk) 11:37, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

I saw that and was amused, but it doesn't answer my question ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:46, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure how to answer the question- often the key info I need on a subject couldn't be contained in an info box. For example how to date an Anglepoise lamp (you give it flowers, and promise it 500 volts ). Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 12:52, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Not the question, which is: would you revert a good edit on request, or would you ask someone to revert a good edit which - you think (!) - is not following restrictions? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:29, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't have any useful answer to either question (this is after an hour or so of thinking about them). On the other hand I wouldn't spend time trawling through POTW's contributions to find out if he breached a restriction on the page of the vice-chancellor of PNGUT, or "threaten" him with a week's block. The whole BLP has two references, one of which is a dead link and the other a link to a 66 page pdf in which Schram is (presumably) mentioned en passim. So, the important thing about this article is that POTW mustn't touch the "infobox"? Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 15:46, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for a specific answer. I was thinking more broadly: would I report anyone to AE? No. But nonono for something simply improving. Did you kow how much time was spent on discussing this little edit? Well spent? (Five long threads on three noticeboards, not counting some like this. And this. And this.) Don't we have more important things to do? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:59, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

4.6 million articles, 8.4 million pages of "discussion". A brief scan of Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content doesn't seem to preclude using that material in publications, so long as authorship is acknowledged. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 17:10, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

• Gerda--Andy is topic-banned from doing infoboxes, was denied permission to add some and found to not be in violation, Voceditenore added one, Voceditenore was asked to revert and threatened with sanctions? As for reverting a good edit if it is in violation of something--well, if it violates something, is it still a good edit? Drmies (talk) 17:41, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Andy is not topic-banned from doing infoboxes, he is restricted not to add one (and some other things). For the article causing the discussions: He didn't add one. Period. No violation. - More generally: if it was a violation I would look violating what, - call it the spirit of the restriction. But now he didn't even violate the letter. - Voceditenore added an infobox to the soprano, one of Andy's articles, I sing praises: that is the way forward. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:43, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

archived as had to be expected: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes#Amendment request: Infoboxes, - this is the list where articles are waiting for generous people who donate an infobox, because their creator thinks they are naked without one, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:55, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you for clarifying. You see, I don't know all these things. Drmies (talk) 21:04, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks for looking. - Did you know that the arbs supplied only one diff as evidence in the case, and that one follows a similar pattern, looks like addition of an infobox, but is only uncollapsing one that was there before? Not guilty. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:17, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks Gerda. As for Boniface, I'm not quite done with him yet. I picked up von Padberg's two books on the codex from my office and will be working on the article some. I guess it should be on the front page, on top, to protect the others from martyrdom. Drmies (talk) 22:35, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

• Yes. You can read my mind (that the infoboxes case is closely connected to martyrdom) ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:27, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

PANHEAD2014

After returning from his second block, don't know where he has edited because i am retired from editing, so i have not reverted anything. What i know he has done is file a complaint about me and User:MYS77 writing in a non-English language in each other's talkpages, which is not forbidden by WP guidelines, User:Writ Keeper had the courtesy of informing me today.

My apologies in Mr.Panhead's (as well as the user that received the complaint, then issued me the warning, User:MrScorch6200) page were summarily removed with the summary "Don't wish to be bothered by this person". If you again come into contact with this user, please tell him if he does not wish so, then please stop talking about me/reporting me behind my back.

Attentively, your Portuguese chum --84.90.219.128 (talk) 21:35, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Vasco, you know I love you like a [insert gender-correct term for relative], but sheesh, sometimes you just gotta let go. People are gonna talk, and haters are gonna hate; it's not fun, but there's little that you, I, or anyone else can do about it. I'll back you on the language thing--the complaints and warnings were based on misinterpretations of policy and were contrary to common sense anyway--but we can't stop people from talking about things, and calling people "idiot" isn't going to help either. Just leave it be. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 21:50, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

I know, but i am genuinely trying to reach out to this person, and his DESPISE is really bothering me. The "idiot" part was because i was seething, i removed it immediately after writing it. And you are correct, we have to let go sometimes, well i let this go... now! Thanks for everything. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 21:54, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

• "Let it go...let it go...can't hold it back anymore..." Vasco, I love you like a ferret. Drmies (talk) 21:59, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Sad to see he continues to distil his loathing of my person (in Scorch's page, now i'm basically being called your baby, and a coward when my IP address is static!), but i can't do anything anymore about it, i'll let it go. I asked several people to go in his talkpage and tell him, on my behalf, that i genuinely wished this run-in had never happened and that i wished we could collaborate in WP articles, no one has ever conceded that one :( I'm stubborn as can be, but even i know when to pack it in (why write him nine messages? To see him erase them NINE TIMES?!). --84.90.219.128 (talk) 22:16, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

It is sad, but it's as they say: you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. They're clearly not in the mood to listen to you, so the best thing for keeping the peace is probably to just leave them alone, at least for now. Even kind words are more likely than not just going to make things worse, even if one of us relays those words from you to them. It's not that we don't want you two getting along--we very much do--but I at least just don't think that looks very possible at the moment, y'know? Maybe in time, but not right now. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 22:21, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Always to-the-point and "legally cosmic"! Thank you (both) for everything, now i wiki-sleep (god, how long have i been saying that? Just shut up already AL!) --84.90.219.128 (talk) 22:25, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Student of yours?

Obviously, a student of yours... Smilerslove. Bgwhite (talk) 05:50, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

• With a FAKEARTICLE and categories in user space? Not likely, Bg. Drmies (talk) 17:29, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
  • I think that our articles about Albert Einstein and Isaac Newton are probably safe for now, but somebody should keep an eye on Twerking. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:32, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Whose twerking are you keeping an eye on, Cullen? Drmies (talk) 18:57, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Aha Cullen, you are totally busted. I hope Mrs. Cullen didn't catch you studying this article over breakfast. Drmies (talk) 13:57, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
      • Yeah, Helen Mirren is hot. And she's only seven years older than me. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 15:12, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Gregorio Vardanega

I just declined a speedy delete on this article. If you compare it to the French wiki version, you'll see that it's pretty much a translation of the French article. The French article is slightly better formatted, but both versions suffer from run-on, resume-like exposition and almost no sourcing. I can easily fix a little bit of the look of it, but I thought that you or one of your stalkers who know more about this sort of thing might want to improve it substantively. The fellow appears to be notable to me.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:07, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Expanded a little bit. Seems to be associated with MADI, which might be notable in itself (an organisation promoting hard-edged and geometrical art in association with the Dallas Art Dealers Association (DADA)- my mental picture of a Dallas art dealer is somewhat like a more healthy Matthew McConaughey) Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 21:23, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Bbbee and Xanthomelanoussproggy. Drmies (talk) 21:53, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Other editors pitched in, too, and it's much appreciated.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:08, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Domination

Why is it that I feel like the pouncee in this discussion? Putting aside the obvious charms of the user, the deletion was a close call, and I'd welcome other administrators' views as to whether it was the right call or whether it should be restored. This chauvinist pig awaits your thoughts.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:00, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

• Oink. Drmies (talk) 22:28, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Monkeying about

She said, "Oo ee oo aa aa, ting tang walla walla bing bang"

Oh great lord of pop culture drivel! Does thou know that our simian brethren also take selfies? And that the well of Commons runs deep with their copyright-free holdings? And these images must have articles! (GigaOM, Buzzfeed). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:56, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

• This is amazing. But BuzzFeed is misleading--the lead photo is not the selfie (it is, however, my new Facebook avatar). Drmies (talk) 01:35, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
  • I'd be tempted to do so as well, but you know how snarkey middle school students can be (and I have a lot of my students on Facebook). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:37, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Big mistake, Crisco! Seriously. Unfriend them all. Make it clear that you're all business--it'll save you a hell of a lot of trouble. Are you friends with Kelapstick yet? He's got nothing but inappropriate stuff on his FB, like pictures of Canada. Drmies (talk) 03:42, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
      • It's not all that uncommon here, actually. No, neither Kelapstick nor yourself grace my Facebook wall (or is it Wall?). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:47, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
        • Crisco? All business? Nah, never happen. I also have some pictures of Mongolia, and China, and Australia, and the US. Not many of the UK, or Turkey, or Korea (Republic of), or Kyrgyzstan.--kelapstick^(bainuu) 13:24, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
          • The US? You mean Drmies and his grits? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:30, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Beach Thomas

William Beach Thomas passed GAN a couple of days ago. Thanks very much again for your help with it. If ever you fancy turning your lead-writing skills to Sara Jeannette Duncan, well, that one should be reasonably fettled within the next couple of days although, bearing in mind my recent kerfuffles with feminism, I'm not looking forward to dealing with that aspect of it. I'll do my best and watch out for the lynch mob. - Sitush (talk) 04:25, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Roman historians

Is any of this true? If it is, does it matter? It sounds like a series on Showtime, but what do I know.--Bbb23 (talk) 05:28, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

• Dunno, Bbb... Drmies (talk) 19:00, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

PXE

Hi, the toughest part is already done; It might need a bit more polishing but I think the issues of lack of verifiability, no original research, and neutral point of view have been addressed. The article now follows the PXE specification in simple terms and it puts the standard in a time context establishing the relationship with its ancestors, sibling, and descendants. I think it's a good starting point for people interested in adding complementary information if needed. I appreciate your feedback. Thanks Pxe 213 37 84 214 (talk) 09:53, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

• You know I'm not the person to ask... NE Ent, you know more about this than I do. Please cast your eye thattaway. Drmies (talk) 19:03, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

I already did. Thanks for your help. Pxe 213 37 84 214 (talk) 19:32, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Míchel Salgado

Hi there MIES,

interesting that Panhead was blocked twice, no one was blocked besides him, but the current version of the article is his. He even reverted you in the CELTA sub-section of the club career, calling your English pidgin (the obvious "first-choice right back", when he did nothing but play in that position his entire career, is mind-boggling); the reference in the intro, which is not obligatory per WP guidelines and is only A LINK, is still there. Last but not least, even though even an admin (User:Mattythewhite) said that, even though it was the first time he saw an injury being discussed in the page of the "perpetrator" instead of the "victim", he would not contest its inclusion, the Juninho Paulista incident has never been included again or, at the very least, brought forth for discussion again, as he wanted.

Don't know why am i doing this, when it's obvious if you revert him i'll be deemed your baby or akin. Maybe you should ask for a second opinion that Panhead does not consider harassment or akin, and if the other person deems the version 100% correct i'll have to abide by the consensus (only speaking from a reader standpoint, will not edit anything); by the way, Panhead, User:Gringoladomenega and User:MYS77 are still at each others' throats, dunno if that's the case (if it's not i apologize for the accusation, to him, you and WP in general) but it looks like the first is firing on all cylinders to see if the other two are blocked like he was, thus getting "even". Should you or User:Writkeeper ask "is this what you call letting go?" i'll say "yes, i have let go of the messages here and there, now i am only worried - for one final time - with the contents, Salgado's page is one i hold dearly because i developed it greatly since it was only a snotty stub.

Well, going to work again in my translation (400 pages at that, first time i have worked in EIGHT years, a paid endeavour, English to Portuguese if you should ask), tough but i'll get by! Cheerio, all the best --84.90.219.128 (talk) 17:49, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

• Ha, I have to give them credit: mine is the non-pidgin version. Maybe Matteythewhite or GiantSnowman can take a more active interest in this; it's really not my cup of tea. Plus, I don't understand why Gringoladomenega keeps insisting on "nearly ten years" when, if I remember correctly, the reference has him playing in Spain for fifteen years. Drmies (talk) 19:07, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Any advice

Drmies, you were quite helpful with the Category:Group of 88 issue, so I wonder if I could impose on you again? One of the editors involved in that issue (@Shakehandsman:) has nominated an article of theirs for featured article status. I gave some comments at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Murder of Ross Parker/archive1, which they first ignored and then answered with a preface that accuses me of having "an unhealthy" level of interest in them. Yes, I have been looking at what they are editing because of their involvement in the group of 88 issue, but I have not done anything that could be seen as harassment or even impoliteness. It feels like Shakehandsman is attempting to discredit my comments on the article. I have further comments on the article, but don't want to inflame the situation. Any advice? Nigel Pap (talk) 20:50, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

• I can't be of much use right now since I got thingies to do, but I did remove the commentary by Shakehandsman in Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Murder of Ross Parker/archive1. It seems to me to be highly inappropriate to poison the well with such comments which should be placed, if anywhere at all, on the talk page. I'll try and look more in-depth later; for the time being, unless Shakehandsman comes armed with a topic ban for you or maybe a court order, you are welcome to comment: as long as your comments are on point and concern the article, of course. Drmies (talk) 21:40, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Thank you. Nigel Pap (talk) 15:27, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

I added my follow-up comments and Shakehandsman has now declared that most of the items I raised are "closed" without substantively addressing the issues I raised. I don't have any experience with featured article nominations, is that normal? Nigel Pap (talk) 03:40, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

• Well, not knowing much of the subject matter I can't really comment on the questions and answers (and it's a lot of words), but no, that's not really normal. One of the FA regulars (I'm thinking of Crisco 1492) can give better advice, perhaps. Drmies (talk) 03:45, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Any decent refs in Dutch?

Crookram is a Dutch hip-hop artist who may or may not be WP notable. LadyofShalott 13:30, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

• Might be a protégé of Speak (Hungarian rapper). Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 17:31, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

• There appear to be two musicians called Chris Angelovski; one plays guitar and the other is "the dope, man" (the comma is important). Actually he don't sound too bad. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 18:01, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

• I have doubts about notability--can't find anything but the one VPRO article already linked. Drmies (talk) 00:39, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

• Yes, there's a scarcity of biographical information (probably 'cos there's nothing much to say). His music seems to have some popularity. Needs some music critic to write about his "pandiatonic clusters" and "aeolian cadences".

  The other trademark of their compositions is a firm and purposeful bass line with a musical life of its own; how Lennon and McCartney divide their creative responsibilities I have yet to discover, but it is perhaps significant that Paul is the bass guitarist of the group. It may also be significant that George Harrison's song “Don't bother me” is harmonically a good deal more primitive, though it is nicely enough presented.- William Mann, The Times

  Don't you love discovering great music by sheer randomness? Crookram is a downtempo/trip hop producer whose music will blow you away....Through Windows shows glimpses of (early) RJD2-esque stylistic diversity with its lush, atmospheric soundscapes. As instrumental LPs go, Through Windows is top notch.- Hip Hop Is Read

  Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 06:42, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

• Well, Xanthomelanoussprog, this is your chance to spread your wings and fly... Drmies (talk) 04:12, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Drmies admin helpline - abortion pov

As there are discretionary sanctions on the topic, I need some input. I haven't dealt in discretionary sanction areas before. I've got IPs and an editor going around adding this to articles about Australian MPs. In the MP's article, how a MP voted on this now becomes the only mention on how a politician voted on a particular topic. Am I offbase on this? Any other advice

• See Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Abortion. I wish all those ArbCom pages had a summary of sanctions and scope, and a template. Fortunately EdJohnston was nice enough to leave a diff to where they placed a warning, so I basically copied their entire message. Anyway, I reverted their edits on two articles; the tone of those edits was pretty clearly POV. Go ahead and revert the rest, if there is more. Drmies (talk) 23:50, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Nadja Salerno-Sonnenberg

This article was in very sorry shape. Although I was already familiar with her, several weeks ago I saw the documentary about her and was very moved. I have essentially rewritten the entire article. More work than the few articles I've created from nothing. Anyway, you're welcome to improve it if you wish. As you'll see I had to use Highbeam for just about everything because I couldn't find good online sources. Google's archived news has been a joke for some time now. Anyway, you often find sources I don't, and then there are of course your talk page stalkers, some of whom dance circles (while she plays the violin) around my abilities as a content creator. Maybe I shouldn't be, but I'm kinda proud of it.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:18, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

• I may try and look for stuff later. For now, nice work, Bbb--it's a real article. Well done. Drmies (talk) 03:47, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

It's always good to include the word "spewing"

Hi Drmies. Thanks for your "welcome back" three weeks ago, but it was premature, as I may only now be ready to do a little editing, but I wanted to comment on the recent controversy which I just saw mentioned at the top of your talk page. It's disappointing, to say the least, that your friend apparently got blocked for an isolated, relatively innocuous comment, while elsewhere an administrator was allowed to go rambling though WT:DYK on a reign of terror, continuously spewing incivility for months, without consequence. Though it does appear to have abated, it all left such a bad taste in my mouth that after driving me away for nine weeks, I still feel unmotivated to resume my previous level of Wikiactivity. (More on my talk page.)

Last I heard, Wikipedia is desperately in need of keeping editors around, but here we had an administrator who drove away other users and basically said "good riddance". Shameful. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 03:17, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

• Well, my dear Mandarax, I stuck my little pinkytoe into ANI and got a couple of earfuls again--apparently I'm providing a "fig leaf" from behind which abusive IPs can throw their vitriol around. I so understand the editor formerly known as IP xx, and also as User:J__. You know I slum around regularly myself, and am, for the most part, treated well by editors with accounts (including admins), though Andy the Grump was not very helpful last time. And all the while it seems we are indeed losing admins (goodbye Boing!--Sitush has to go it practically alone now) and editors. Well, at least we got color-coded tables for every individual fucking installment of Lose Your Fat Or Die or Three-Year Old Toddlers Dressed Up As Sluts In Beauty Contests For Your Viewing Pleasure, and every Percy Jackson character has at least 30k of plot summary (well, not the two I redirected the other day). Then I discovered that not a single work of Ambrose (except for Veni redemptor gentium) had an article. That it would take a diletante like me to write De bono mortis, that's just sad. Drmies (talk) 23:49, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Karl Schenkl

Hi. Along with KylieTastic, I also patrol Category:Articles with missing files and I noticed the Karl Schenkl article and your recent edit summary. Perhaps I misunderstood the German but it seems like the image de:Datei:Karl Schenkl.jpg is not definitively public domain. The image is assumed to be PD because the term of protection for the work has expired. I'm not willing to transfer the image to Commons because I am not certain that it's PD. Can you ping "Crisco" (I'm not sure which Crisco you mean) so we can get this solved? Thanks! - tucoxn\^talk 23:39, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks Tucoxn. The Crisco in question is the one and only Crisco 1492. He has not responded yet, so I assume he's off in dreamland after a Bintang or two, but I'm sure he'll be here or there soon to help out. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 23:41, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks for helping to clear this up! I noticed that the source for the de.wp image seems to be a broken link. Unfortunately, I don't think I got that German wrong. - tucoxn\^talk 23:49, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

• Hmm... I'm not quite sure this is a photograph, the only case in which we could be sure this was taken more than 100 years ago. To be safe I'd use it as fair use. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:50, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

• It's odd--it's the only image I can find of him. Well, Crisco, what do you suggest? Or, better yet, can't you just go ahead and do it? :) Drmies (talk) 02:07, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

• I agree with Crisco- it's drawn from a photo. Is there anything on its origin? I've come across German and Austrian cartes de visite drawn in the same way, which date to the 1870s (e.g. Bismarck). I can't remember seeing a German-language book of the period with an illustrated frontispiece of the author- do they exist? Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 05:59, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

• Very often such images come from an obituary in an academic journal, but there are also a few directories of German-speaking academics by subject that de.wikipedia has taken lithographs from. I'd seen the statement on the image page and went to comment it out in the article but edit conflicted with Drmies :-) Yngvadottir (talk) 12:41, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Kids being taught TV was invented 2400 years ago

Ouch, the next generation of Wikipedians from India are likely to be even more awkward to deal with than quite a few of the present generation. Did you know, for example, that television was invented by Indians ca. 2400 years ago? - Sitush (talk) 20:59, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

And, yes, mine is a Daily Mail type of headline, but you'll get the gist. - Sitush (talk) 21:01, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

• That's the ridiculousest story I've read in some time--I mean, it's even stupider than the letters to the editor in the Montgomery Advertiser, and that's saying something. (Here's a sample--esp. Tony P. from Prattville's letter is worth reading; he writes in regularly. The work of Marcus West from Montgomery is not in this sampler: it boils down to "Obama is a muslim who wants to take your guns rah-rah". I wish I could find the letter from that moron from Deatsville, who wrote in to say that since bicyclists don't pay road taxes they should get the fuck off of our streets.) Drmies (talk) 21:30, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

• Prattville, eh? I just found it. There are some brilliant names over your side of the pond, it must be said. Shame about the "-tville" because the expression "you can take the man out of Yorkshire but you'll never take Yorkshire out of the man" comes to mind, with an appropriate placename substitution. Still, we've got Twatt over here, so who am I to noodle. Seriously, though, 42,000-plus kids being taught that the car originated 2400 years ago and stem cell work has something to do with 100 pots of ghee used in a fable? I knew Narendra Modi was the public face of a weird but highly popular right-wing outfit but this is ridiculous and there is another five years of the man as prime minister. Unless there is some sort of revolt, there'll likely be an additional 1.2 billion flat-earthers before he's finished. - Sitush (talk) 01:04, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

• Actually, "Prattville" shows up as my location for my IP. One time when I was slumming some idiot kept telling me I lived in Prattville; there was no denying it. Yeah, what does one do when the truth is staring one in the face but you don't want to accept it? Answer: you fry it in ghee and teach it mandatorily. I haven't looked at the Modi article since he got booted up in the hierarchy, and I don't think I will. Well, at least he's not a Muslim, like my president--according to some people anyway. Is he taking people's guns? Do all people in India have guns? And if they don't, how do they protect their children from Ebola-carrying immigrants from Latin America? Drmies (talk) 02:05, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

• And here I thought it was only Montana newspapers that had to print tinfoil helmet stuff like that. Good to know I'm not alone and awash in a sea of red-neckedness...  :-P Montanabw^(talk) 02:36, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

And lest you think I jest, here is a sample, but before you go into utter despair, know that the editors of this paper also have the best police blotter in the country! A sampler: "Numerous turkeys were killed on Hodgson Road. The canine suspect remains at large." and "A man called from Highway 35 in Kalispell to report that he hasn’t heard from his girlfriend since he sent her out to get beer on Sunday." Just saying... Montanabw^(talk) 02:43, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

• Wow. Yeah, it's always the guns, isn't it. They ever catch that dog, and that woman who ran off with the guy's beer money? Drmies (talk) 02:47, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Help with paraphrasing gray area?

Hey, Mr. Drmies and associated stalkers. I picked up a DYK review because I didn't feel like preparing for classes -- I don't start teaching for another month. Lionel Fraser didn't seem particularly notable at first, but I won't argue with the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, which is the primary reference. I re-classed this to "start" from "stub," and it seemed like it was an easy pass. However, I ran the duplication detector, and I'm on the fence. It's not just that several short phrases are duplicated. I'm not comfortable with sentences re-jiggered so that the words are nearly the same, but in a different order.

That said: The article creator has been around forever, has a bobzillion DYKs to their credit, and presumably knows what he's doing. That implies that, most likely, I need my standards aligned better. I'd very much appreciate it if someone would take a look at the dup detector result -- I hope the link works, or just run it yourself on reference 3 -- and give me a second and more experienced opinion.

Much appreciated... Moishe Rosenbaum (talk) 23:12, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

• Look, if you come here explaining to me that you're really being lazy, and that you should be getting ready to pour knowledge into little children, well, mister, you got another thing coming. I should pull out my Calvinist cat-o-nine-tails and teach you industry (or, industriousness, I suppose, parallel with "moral ambitiousness"). Drmies (talk) 23:18, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
• Hmm. I can't read that duplicator report easily--or I just don't know what to conclude from it. Yes, there's real REAL close paraphrasing going on, and that one paragraph entirely derived from that source is also some, well, really poor writing (note the He was...He was...He was...). But then, the source also does not excel in prose. If this were me, which it isn't, since I hate writing biographies, I would try to find a much better reference/source to build that biography on: a review of a biography, that's cutting corners.

  Now, I'm not real familiar with that editor so I won't comment on them. I think that this isn't over the line, and if you run that detector on some of my articles you might find the same thing (I hope not). But yeah, perhaps Eric Corbett, Crisco 1492, or Moonriddengirl have an opinion...? Also, you don't teach for another month? You got it made in the shade, Moishe Rosenbaum. Are you ready yet for the 2014 SEC Championship Game? Drmies (talk) 23:27, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

  • Thanks for taking a look. I'll plan to pass the hook unless I hear from someone else. Glad I asked. Yeah, we don't start 'til 10 September, but we teach on Saturdays and have evening obligations on Sundays. And I figure I can write the game summary already: Tide take lead, Tide expand lead, Tide, well, roll. Not kissing up to the Good Doctor and his minions, just stating facts as I see them. Moishe Rosenbaum (talk) 23:47, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
    • What a strange school you're at! Also, your honesty, insight, prophetic gift, and friendliness are greatly appreciated. Don't tell my employer or my students, of course. I start next week... Drmies (talk) 00:37, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
  • I've been meaning to tell you and this page for a while: It's absolutely fabulous to talk to people who discuss and authentically care for both types of football. I do play-by-play for both my school's American and Association football teams, I am an enormous fan of both, but it's rare that I meet a fan of one type who doesn't imply (or outright state) disdain for the other. Y'all root for the wrong teams, of course, but I love reading the conversations. Moishe Rosenbaum (talk) 23:52, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Hey, good sport is good sport. This past World Cup was fantastic, even though we didn't get as far as I had hoped--but it's better to be third than second. Two weeks it was very cool here, and it felt like football weather--I love it when it feels like football weather. Nice of you to drop by again--and, as a DYK reviewer, you may always take the opportunity to tweak and edit the writing. Drmies (talk) 00:37, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
      • Gotcha. Thanks, Drmies. I put in an ILL request for the only real independent source out there, a 1992 book referenced by the ODNB, written by the author of the ODNB blurb. There's an autobiography, too... but is an autobiography a true "secondary" source? Hey, I'm a scientist, so my default answer is "no," but you humanities folk might have a different thought. I might just rewrite the current article a bit, pass the DYK, then come back to it when/if the ILL appears.Moishe Rosenbaum (talk) 01:03, 12 August 2014 (UTC) Update: Good point, I guess there's no reason I'm not allowed to rewrite some things, right? I did so, and I think (hope) the prose is improved. Thanks for the prod in that direction. Moishe Rosenbaum (talk) 01:27, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
        • Moishe Rosenbaum, I suppose I should really give some kind of answer: I don't know what humanities humans do in their spare time, but this one does not put too much stock in autobiographies in Wikipedia articles. Let me tell you something completely different: I was going through a bunch of books related to a DYK nomination (for Caesar Blackwell) and found myself highly critical of one of them books (from a UP), one with a wikilinked author even. I mean, it seriously lacked some serious editorial oversight--and that's as strong as I'll put it publicly. :) Drmies (talk) 00:20, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Meriden School

Your reverts at Meriden are removing Federal Sex Commissioners, District Court Judges, and mayors who are notable as women breaking the glass ceiling. Wikipedia does not have an article on every notable women known to exist. Compare the Meriden list to the List of Old Girls of PLC Sydney before you revert carelessly again or are you going to remove every red inked-woman in Australia. Please be consultative. Castlemate (talk) 04:32, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I believe that alumni lists worldwide should include only people who have referenced Wikipedia biographies. Male and female. Australian and Chilean. If an editor considers a person is notable, write at least a start class biography, and add a blue link to the list. Otherwise, these alumni lists get clogged up with non-notable people and unverfiable information. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:05, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

• Agree with Cullen: any list of "notable" alumni should only consist of blue-linked individuals. That's the approach I took for J.L. Forster Secondary School, and that's how most school articles are run. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:38, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Write the article first is an often-cited essay supporting the need for bluelinks in this context. Wikipedia:WPSCH/AG#Alumni is a more consensus-based guideline that does not have that strict a requirement (but instead does require cites to verify both attendance and WP:BIO notability). DMacks (talk) 07:46, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

• Castlemate, there's no need to get in a huff and a puff over this, and please don't play the sexism card. If you're concerned with representation, write stubs (as Cullen says, correctly). That's what I do. If these people are notable, as you suggest (a claim that I do not automatically subscribe to), and if they deserve an article, write it. You've written a lot of articles, great, but I actually can't find any women in that list. Removing unlinked or red-linked names from such lists is common practice and finds support in WP:NLIST, because it is obvious that we cannot allow such lists to turn comprehensive and allow every alumnus of every school to be listed--and . My short "no article, no entry" reflects common practice, even if not every one edits like that, and DMacks's addendum. Thing is, the moment you add a redlink that meets the specifications that DMacks sets out, you might as well use those reliable sources (!) to write up a two-sentence stub, and thereby you have achieved much more than you will by simply listing someone somewhere: merely listing says very little, and it certainly does not make a name searchable or add them to the relevant category. There are BLP issues here as well, which DMacks's indicated specifications address alleviate also. So now you have the counsel of four highly seasoned (well, three--I'm merely old) Wikipedia editors. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 13:58, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

If I ever meet you, Drmies, I will be happy to sprinkle you with the seasoning of your choice (in addition to buying you a beer, my standard offer for awesome wikipedians). DMacks (talk) 15:29, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

• I just wrote up Elizabeth Broderick. That is the proper way to do something about representation of women in Wikipedia. Drmies (talk) 14:38, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

• Yeah, and you helped me out with fettling that dreadful article about the female Canadian author a couple of days ago. Appreciated. Like you, I'm a bloke who really doesn't give a stuff about the gender of either a subject or contributor but in my case I'm getting a bit irked by this current climate: the best way to get better representation is to bloody well do it and do it properly. - Sitush (talk) 01:13, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

• I just did away with a comment from the user who started this--check out the tone. Reminds me of Candleabracadabra (don't know if you ever ran into him). And funny too, that kind of criticism (well, you know, one of those fake compliments) from someone who can't be bothered to write a single biography of a woman, but wrote up over a hundred blokes. Drmies (talk) 01:21, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

• There's a lot that needs to be done to remove systematic exclusion of women on Wikipedia, and that is writing articles about them, not making lists of red links in article space. Drmies has done more than most to help with this process, Castlemate. LadyofShalott 14:57, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

IP Vandal

Hi Drmies, I went to IP 128.193.152.161's talk page to leave a vandalism warning and noticed you've already given user a final warning [5]. They've vandalized the Meghan Trainor BLP twice in past 2 days. [6], [7] --BoboMeowCat (talk) 04:39, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

• My pleasure. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 04:41, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Alumni

• Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Lists of people? Stephen 04:46, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
• Wikipedia:Notable_alumni 103.27.229.198 (talk) 06:02, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

A cupcake for you!

Thanks for the copyedit of Trijata. Redtigerxyz Talk 13:14, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks Redtigerxyz, and you're welcome. Thanks for your own efforts to increase our coverage in that area. (Also, I enjoyed learning about this interesting woman, her cultural history, and her importance. I think that's why I came here in the first place.) Drmies (talk) 14:03, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

The master of all bad words

A classic Saab 340

Re the master of all bad words, see also Darwinbish's latest "Quote of the week" on her talk. Bishonen | talk 15:17, 12 August 2014 (UTC).

• I hope you accepted that in good faith. Hey, Bish, if I come up to your neck of the woods one day, can you arrange a Saab 600 for me? One of those rally cars with turbo and stuff? That would be totally cool. I prefer red. Drmies (talk) 15:39, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Sorry, Saab 600 is apparently an Italian car. See how it redirects to Lancia Delta? How about a Saab 340? That's from this neck of the woods. Bishonen | talk 19:32, 12 August 2014 (UTC).
    • I would love a 340. But listen, I didn't spend three summer there with my eyes closed--Lancia_Delta#Saab-Lancia_600. Drmies (talk) 21:27, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I don't remember...

... who was your lovely assistant in killing off edits. But to my opinion, these edits qualify for permanent removal. And the IP itself, let say he has an interesting but not completely neutral agenda. The Banner talk 16:19, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks Banner. I revdeleted a couple of contributions (tell me if there's more) and blocked the IP for three months. Ambitiousness set aside, this goes well beyond what's acceptable. Drmies (talk) 17:19, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Alejandro Betancourt

Hello Drmies I want to really thank for protecting Derwick Asociates artícle, I was spending a lot of time restoring what seemed to me as obvious bad faith edits.
There is a problem with the BLP for Alejandro Betancourt López.
The user with IP 116.193.159.36 whose edit you reverted for Derwick at 00:31 after you warned him that you where going to block both pages, he was fast enough to sneak in a bad faith edit in the BLP at 00:32 , at the same time I assume you were doing the block on that page that was effective at 00:34. This locked in his bad faith edit which was previously reverted two times, please see Talk its even worst because besides been biased and spammed at the top, in the source only the company is cited to be under preliminary investigations, not the BLP. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 19:10, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

• I suggest that, since this is a BLP which needs some attention, that you post at WP:BLPN. The BLP violation wasn't immediately clear to me so I'm not going to go in and edit an article I protected, but that may be done following a discussion there--but please post on the article talk page that you're doing so. It's high time these matters are addressed by Wikipedia editors whose interests are broader than just those two articles. Thanks, and good luck, Drmies (talk) 19:13, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I understand, Thank you for the advice, I agree with you, and will do as you suggest. --Crystallizedcarbon (talk) 19:35, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Zimmerman Part: Ugh

Hey Drmies, hope all is well with you. Got a mess of edits from your favorite vandal and mine (I think it is safe to call him a vandal now). He used IP address 73.39.107.138 today, made a mess of a few articles, all located in the same area as WICL. The IP geolocates to the same area where the rest of his edits come from. Blocks all around? - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:17, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

• Well, sure, but let me ask you something else. Is this a big deal? I looked at the WJEJ website, and I see nothing about the "format" (which I suppose means type of muzak) on that website. In other words, there's nothing verifiable, is there? Drmies (talk) 22:46, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Hey Drmies, the format, according to Arbitron/Nielsen is "Adult Standards/MOR". I added the Full Service part as they do air local programming like a Tradio program and a couple local call-in shows, plus local sports. They used to be the radio home for the Hagerstown Suns, now just high school sports. As for their format, they do go between the Music of the Road and Adult Standards. I wouldn't recommend listening for too long, you'll fall asleep. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:26, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Well, that's great--let me propose this, then: instead of having it as an external link, put it in that infobox as a reference... If your IP comes back, let me know. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 00:23, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
      • The Arbitron/Nielsen link is part of a template, so it is stuck there in "External Links. But I can definitely add the same link to the infobox, no problems. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 01:40, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Gary Tedman

Drmies et al., can I ask you to take a look at this article and the associated AFD? I'm fairly convinced of my position but the original author of the article thinks rather differently and nobody else has commented yet. Hopefully some of you may have more expertise in the subject's field of study and be in a better position to comment on notability. Cheers SmartSE (talk) 14:05, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

• Mandarax? Pretty please? Drmies (talk) 14:16, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Presumably you asked me because the guy's an artist, but the article isn't about that aspect at all, and there's nothing to indicate that he's a notable artist. As for his status as an author and academic, I'll leave that to those who are more knowledgeable about notability issues in those areas. The discussion certainly has some of the most amusingly obvious ballot stuffing I've ever seen. Signed Mandarax. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mandarax (talk • contribs) 19:26, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Thank you Signed Mandarax. (That's probably more valuable than an Unsigned Mandarax--there are many imposters around these days.) Screenprinted Drmies.

Darren Espanto

Hi Good Day. I understand your reason for reverting my last edits. Can you help me be a better editor? Also can we start a discussion in the article's talk page? I believe you can really help me improve that article and I saw you have a lot of good contributions in this site. Have a nice day. White paladin888 (talk) 19:01, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

• White paladin888, thanks for your note. I think you're a fine editor already. My edits were concerned with the relevance of the content. It seems to me that in the long run some of those comments have relatively little value; they're immediate reactions that do not, in fact, have a long-lasting relevance. For instance, if person X says that person Y should get a record deal as a result of their performance, and label Z does indeed offer X a record deal and say, "well, we listened to Y's advice", that's a different matter. In this media age, where everything gets commented on immediately, it can be difficult to discern whether some comment or other has some actual value (as you know, lots of stuff simply gets repeated for little reason--the Echo chamber (media) idea), so it's editorial judgment whether something should be included or not. I personally advocate reticence. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 19:19, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the compliment and thanks for explaining those things, I didn't know some of it before. Anyway, I know you're very busy and you have your own projects to do but is it okay if you will join us in the talk page of the article? I'll make a section wherein editors can discuss their concern, opinion, judgement regarding the complicated (or tentative) things that will be added in the article. Don't worry you don't have to commit all your time, just a little part of your time. I believe we really need an expert like you if the article is preparing into a higher class. Thanks again. White paladin888 (talk) 19:41, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Looking for feedback...

I'm looking for feedback from lots of people, but maybe not everyone quite yet, on this thing I've written, and if anywhere qualifies for lots-of-people-but-not-quite-everyone, it's here. The idea is at User:Writ Keeper/Community desysop process, and is basically what it says on the tin. We're probably all quite sick of these proposals, and how they inevitably fail, but tough. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 20:35, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Going forward, I wish we had an easier way to ask fro people's opinions, that could also still be seen as "draft mode". I mean, I might have a few more ideas, going forward, and I like to test 'em out. Do any of y'all have ideas on a place where I could do this going forward? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 00:10, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

My talk page has gone forward, in the sense that I have more watchers than Eric now, so this is pretty public. I'm not a frequent visitor to the Village Pump, in part because I have my own water cooler right here. Hey, is Dennis Brown still around? (And thanks WK, for writing this up.) Drmies (talk) 00:13, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

DB is on a break, Drmies. See his talk. - Sitush (talk) 00:15, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

I do see that Dennis is otherwise occupied. Thanks for the note, Sitush: I should check people's talk pages more frequently, but I tend to get preoccupied with me, me, me. I'm sure Dennis has little time for him, him, him right now, and I wish him the best. Drmies (talk) 00:29, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Beach Thomas FAC

Just a heads-up, Drmies, that I'll be taking William Beach Thomas to FAC in the next few days. You may recall that is the article for which you managed to get me an obscure-ish antiquarian book journal. I'm hoping that journal passes muster at FAC because it really was quite useful. The article can live without it but I'd rather it didn't. - Sitush (talk) 01:10, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

• Hey, good for you, Sitush. Good luck with it, and let me know if I can help. (I can just show up and blah blah something and say Support.) Will you do something in return? Help me beef up Zombie Shark? It has enormous DYK potential. Drmies (talk) 01:28, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Rena Owen. Thanks.  NQ  talk 07:08, 14 August 2014 (UTC)Template:Z48

• Check out Eli Martinez, professional diver. Unfortunately my brain has been flipped upside down and is now entering a state of tonic immobilizzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...... Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 07:36, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

• Between you, me, and the lamppost, it was the stupidest attempt at excitement I've seen in a long time. At least the Sharknados had a sense of humor to them. Drmies (talk) 13:59, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Curiosity

Hi there amigo,

can you tell me what this tag in this edit summary note means (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:MYS77&diff=621230109&oldid=621229785)? And Mr. AL is accused again of... a bit baffling!

Kind regards --84.90.219.128 (talk) 16:59, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

• No clue--maybe one of the talk page stalkers knows what triggers that particular filter. Drmies (talk) 17:10, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
  • See WP:EDITFILTER. I think I'm right that only admins can see the filter and so I won't spill the beans entirely, but essentially it was because you wrote 'provide' which is a word that people promoting themselves/their company might use. As it only tags edits rather than blocks them I guess it is worth having a few false positives like this. SmartSE (talk) 17:50, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Interesting--thanks SmartSE. That's why we have you on payroll! Drmies (talk) 18:01, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
      • • Thank you very much, both of you. --84.90.219.128 (talk) 18:04, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
          • Ah, that makes it clearer to me why 74 kept triggering that tag. Thanks, Smartse. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:10, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
            • No probs. They're written in regular expressions which I don't really understand but if you look at the 'conditions' in Special:AbuseFilter/354 (admins only) you can get an idea of what triggers it. And 84.90 while you won't get blocked for this, Drmies might block you if you don't learn indentation ;) SmartSE (talk) 18:23, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Courage

I saw you semi-protected Courage for three months. The volume of vandalism by IPs or new users didn't seem particularly high to me, and the last IP edits arguably were beneficial removal of spam. Would you mind me unprotecting it? Huon (talk) 17:12, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

• I saw long-term vandalism (but I agree with your comment on the last IP--I left them a welcome template thanking them) mostly by IPs. If you want to unprotect, that's fine with me (Pottery Barn etc...!). One question, though, Huon--are you a firm believer in gerunds ("gerundium"?)? ("...mind me unprotecting") Do y'all handle that differently in German--no genitive? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 17:27, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

On second thought I see your grammatical point. In German I'd have chosen a wording like "would you mind if I unprotect it"; use of a gerund (with genitive) would grammatically be possible, but would sound unnatural and overblown. I didn't think up in German what I wanted to say and then translated it, but formulated the message in English right away. Huon (talk) 21:12, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, can you show me the formal way? I need to practice (seriously). Thanks! (I rarely "translate" any more--I probably dream in English.) Drmies (talk) 21:52, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

From a purely grammatical point of view, you could say something like "Würde mein Aufheben des Schutzes Dich [or "Sie"] stören?", but nobody talks that way. At most you could use such constructions to emulate "Behördendeutsch" if you ever want to sound like a pompous bureaucrat. Huon (talk) 23:31, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate it. I'm reading a bunch of German scholarship from the good old days, and it's tough going. It's not just bureaucrats who write like that. You're familiar with "The Awful German Language"? Drmies (talk) 23:36, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

I had heard of Twain's essay, but I've never read it. And yes, 18th- or 19th-century scholarship might use such constructions as well, but I dare say we've gotten better (at least somewhat). Huon (talk) 00:06, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Dan56 and Jazzerino

Case closed.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
First off, I want you to know that I will no longer be adding to the sock rings trying to redirect Dan56. It's obvious that until an "established" user, as Kww put it, has the courage to ask Dan56 to follow the rules like everybody else he won't, and no matter how valid the concerns the community would rather Dan continued as a copyright violating bully than let a sock got away with making a valid point. I have better things to do then to futilely bang my head against a wall. Secondly, I want you to know that at least three individuals have been blocked as Jazzerino, but the actual Jazzerino stopped editing on June 8. There were a couple of us that took up the torch, so to speak, but none of these blocked accounts were operated by Jazzerino, at least not according to him, and I certainly know which of my accounts were blocked as him or MariaHickey. I guess it doesn't matter, since meatpuppetts are the same a socks, and since we all wanted to teach Dan some manners I suppose we all might as well have been socks. Third, I want to express how disappointed I am in the community, particularly Kww, who has now removed 28 disputed fair use tags from files Dan56 uploaded. These files obviously fail NFCC#3, but Kww would rather break our policy than see Danny treated poorly. I respect that Kww wanted to "protect" Dan56 from socks editing "his" articles, but to violate the intellectual property rights of uninvolved third-parties is idiocy. If you want to punish and/or deny socks, you should never do so in a way that breaks copyright laws and Wikipedia policy. Why is nobody willing to ask Dan56 to respect copyright laws? I don't know why, and I don't care anymore. Lastly, I want to suggest that you and Kww be more careful when rushing to Dan56's defense. I am done socking, and the others say they are too. But I get the feeling that Danny will use the Jazzerino thing to his advantage long after we stop socking. Just be careful that every new editor that gets into an argument with Dan56 isn't black-balled as Jazzerino, because they won't be him. Thanks for tying to help. I wish we would have been more patient with the process, and avoided uses multiple accounts, but the way things are around here, it's Dan56 and a few of his friends pushing everyone else away from articles, and nobody will listen to the valid concerns with his behavior. Realitycheck2014 (talk) 18:12, 14 August 2014 (UTC) Well. That's certainly an odd confession, if that's what this is. You know what one of the problems is with socking? In a collaborative environment, you have to trust people at least to some extent. Every time I invest time and energy in a case to find out later that, basically, I was shafted, I have less faith. You're (plural or singular?) not the first sock(s)/master/whatever I waste my time and energy on. For fuck's sake--the fucking RfC/U? So don't give me that bullshit about "protecting Dan", and as far as those tags go: I have no reason whatsoever to trust you on some legal or content issue when I can't even trust whether you are one person or a dozen fucking grad student roommates in between keg parties. Were you also pretending to be black and offended at a perceived racial insult? So you shafted Malik as well? You didn't teach Dan anything: you gave him ammunition, if anything, and you taught me and others to distrust anyone who disagrees with him in the way that you (and your pals) did. Good work! Drmies (talk) 18:24, 14 August 2014 (UTC) I am black and I was offended, and I wasn't hostile to Dan56 until he and his friends bullied me by committee. Basically, when socks do what he and his friends do all the time they get blocked, but Dan gets supported and applauded. If you look at the editor interactions you'll see that Dan56 engaged all of these accounts first, and he did so rudely and aggressively. I live with 6 other grad students and several of them made accounts to edit pages that Dan "owns". I wasn't lying about FlowRidian, we are two different people that must have accidently used the wrong proxy when editing, but we are not socks of anyone, certainly not Jazzerino, who like I said hasn't edited since Kww blocked him for socking when he wasn't. I got CUed after Maximum Edison got into with Dan, but I have no idea who that is, except maybe Maria Hickey. I'm not sure that any of these blocked accounts are actually Jazzerino, because I know that 3 or 4 of them aren't, but what difference does it make? If you think that I am wrong about Dan's OGG files, just ask Nikkimaria. These files can be no longer than 10% of the original, but many are as much as 33%. Also, the quality needs to be reduced to 64 kbits, but many of Dan's are at or near 128, which is commercial quality. This is not my opinion, just look at WP:SAMPLE. I understand the denial of socks, but to do so while violating copyrights is counter-intuitive. If a sock makes a valid point that sock should be blocked, but the point shouldn't be ignored out of an anti-socking principle, especially when it involves the intellectual property rights of major agencies and publishers. Removing theses tags without discussion to determine their validity is to ignore the NFCC issues just because Kww thinks they are Jazzerino, but they aren't him. Remember, the only reason this started was because Kww blocked him for "hounding" dan when all he was doing was editing pages he liked. BTW, the "confessional" part only apples to the accounts I made after being indeffed for being Jazzerino, I never operated Flowridian or any other account until I was wrongly accused. Anyway, I'm done here, so you won't hear from me again. RC2014 (talk) 19:04, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Alexander Brownlie Docharty

Would anyone like to dig a DYK out of this prosaicness? Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 21:12, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Only if it's about twice as long ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah. This is going to DYK how? Drmies (talk) 22:45, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

• Okay, okay. I wanted to include the bit about him being the first artist to paint underwater, and how he saw a school of orcas flipping the Loch Ness Monster upsidedown and eating it, but then I woke up. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 06:21, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

• Odd--you'd think that that would generate plenty of coverage, but I couldn't find it. Do you spell "under water" as one words or two? Maybe Google is too picky. Or maybe the Skots spell "orca" with a k. Anyway, I found one tidbit and added it, but that's all I could find. Drmies (talk) 13:54, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

• Ta very much! And also many thanks to Ser Amantio. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 16:42, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

:(

Even worse than the run-in with User:Panhead2014, much much worse, i am crying as i write this, will leave WP forever after one final edit (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:188.81.115.107).

I did not fucking learn to stay put and had to converse with certain people, serves me soooooooooo right! --84.90.219.128 (talk) 00:43, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

bye al — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.81.115.107 (talk) 00:46, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

• Don't feed the trolls, Vasco. IP blocked. IP, your block is for edit-warring but also for shitty comments like the one you left here. Drmies (talk) 03:47, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Goodbye most definitely! I like you like a wiki-brother you know that, but enough is enough. Eight years of putting up with a lot of shit (including my own, i admit it), but i blame myself for having this clashes with several users (not saying i deserve the insults, i do not) when i know 100% well what the football world is, a WAR! People killing each other over a football game almost every month. Why would WP be any different? People don't want fair and precise articles, they want them to look like a blog or a personal page.

You hang in there, you are a kickass contributor and a great chap. Dankiu vel --84.90.219.128 (talk) 04:15, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Maybe instead of leaving, just take a break, and when you return, consider edting in another area - one that won't cause you so much stress... LadyofShalott 17:32, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

That's like telling me I can't edit K-pop anymore. Might as well give it up altogether. Drmies (talk) 22:39, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Matter of fact, i don't like football or sports all that much (the riots, the lack of basic education, the "journalists", the "fans" who care about nothing than winning, they don't want to have a good time) just happens to be that i'm caught in an invisible net of whatever... please pity this fool :(

These last two incidents have been a bit of a blessing in disguise, i'm slowly but firmly rising to the surface of the real world and leaving the wikiworld, the punks (not insulting anyone in particular, i've been here for eight years!) can go write whatever they want in whatever article they choose (bet i am a punk or worse in their eyes as well, so there) --84.90.219.128 (talk) 01:26, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Portrait of Doña Isabel de Requesens y Enriquez de Cardona-Anglesola

You have been so good as to advise me in my etiquette lately. I should be glad if you could look at this Talk:Portrait_of_Doña_Isabel_de_Requesens_y_Enriquez_de_Cardona-Anglesola#Edit reverts and let me know if it meets your approval.

Thank you. Coat of Many Colours (talk) 10:12, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you for your efforts: it's appreciated. Drmies (talk) 13:48, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Hans Münstermann

Hi Dr., can you expand this one? That 2006 novel also might be worth starting.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:47, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Unmasked...

They're on to us! Our right-wing Zionist cabal has been exposed! :-)) --Randykitty (talk) 15:37, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

• Yes, you're preventing the gap between Marx and Freud being filled with concrete by a cyclical reciprocating system. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 16:55, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

• Perhaps I've told you the story of the non-notable Florida wannabe politician who objected to my nominating his vanispampuff article for deletion. He called me at work and ragged on me, saying I was trying to get him deleted because of his stance on Israel: he was convinced that a certain star on my user page was a Zionist symbol. If you look at my user page you'll see why that's both hilarious and stupid. (He didn't win his primary, needless to say.) Drmies (talk) 20:12, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
• Wait--isn't that person saying that my SPI is counteracting their group of Zionists? That's the problem with such folks: cain't parse their sentences. Drmies (talk) 20:14, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

• You mean... We're actually leftist antisemites?? Oh man, now I have to change all my edit biases all over again! Using a Zionist symbol for bacon does go in that direction, of course... --Randykitty (talk) 10:25, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

More matter for (internal) tears

Panhead2014 went in the page of the last anon user that harassed me and offered him his support, calling him the latest victim in wikibullying, great! Maybe if you show him the contribution where the person changed the name of Beto (Portuguese footballer, born 1982) from "Beto" to "Betoteiro" (Portuguese compound word of his name and cheater), he won't think so highly of him. As we all know, he has forbidden me of addressing him, so i have to oblige.

Happy weekend --84.90.219.128 (talk) 18:39, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

• You too. Hey, leave it be. It's handled. Drmies (talk) 22:38, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

"It's handled"? Half of it is (the anon user), Panhead continues to harass User:MYS77 and myself (MYS77 by calling him a "silly, immature children, [with] petty squabbles and nonsensical contributions", a "troll" and a "fan"; myself, by saying without any actual words i as am worst as it gets by wasting no time to read if i was actually right to revert the anon user's contributions and going to his page and urging him to "stay strong". Another person, User:PeeJay2K3, went to his page to ask him (politely) not to encourage disruptive edits, was summarily reverted like MYS; he won't rest until (at least) MYS and i are blocked.

"Hey, leave it be"? Sure i'll leave it be, both users have succeeded in their approaches, i have never edited again in Míchel Salgado and Sergio Busquets since the run-in with Panhead nor have i written him any more messages after he banned me from his page, nor will i edit in S.L. Benfica-related articles anymore (was accused by the anon user of hating Benfica even though i did not edit ONCE in the club's page in EIGHT YEARS).

Even though i don't fully comprehend your reaction (i left things be, but the others keep landing jabs in my wikiface, or you don't think Panhead's message in the anon person's page is a direct attack at me?), i send you happy vibes --84.90.219.128 (talk) 17:39, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Out of the (great) respect i have for you, rest assured mate, last message i post here regarding this subject no matter what the outcome may be (pages protected, users warned/blocked - including myself! - etc). Cheers --84.90.219.128 (talk) 17:46, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

AGF

Thank you for your comments. that helps. I was really surprised to see my AFD described as such. If we cant err in making an AFD (and its not really an error if we didnt see notability ourselves), then why bother at all? I think i overreacted, but i tried to not attack others, only express my (then) severe discomfort. im feeling better now.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 04:00, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

• You wouldn't be the first one to overreact and you won't be the last. I, of course, have never overreacted in my life. Take it easy--Chinatown is on TCM, and you may yet have a delicious cold beverage in your fridge. Going for a one- or two-week walk is always a good idea. Anywayz, I hope you'll see an apology of sorts. I'm not one to block quickly for "civility", but I hope I made it clear that I did find both those comments quite uncivil. Take care, Drmies (talk) 04:05, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

I was attracted by the header, mentioning something rare, thank you for bringing it up! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:24, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Ragyndrudis Codex

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:41, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for another exquisite one, related to Germany. Only thing wrong with it is that the Inkpot Madonna image was replaced soon after appearing, but it was a pic before restoration anyway, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:58, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

a comment

Hi Drmies -- You pinged me with [this edit]. I appreciate, honestly, your apparent effort to be nice to that editor, whose recent edits at his talk and user pages indicate some stress and call for some humanity. "Please remember that i am a human being, before commenting here" and "If you dont have something constructive to say, please dont bother commenting here. I dont need or want any trouble" are decent talk page leading notes he's had there. I like your own current leading note "I've kind of had it with the good advice. Apparently anyone, admins included, can get away with, are even applauded for, calling other editors and admins corrupt, cronies, abusive--but "you're not so smart" is blockable. Yeah, we're not going to get anywhere with our precious civility," which is a pretty good note, too. Frankly, there has been too much crap for too long about civility at wikipedia, used like other concepts to bash both newbies and experienced contributors. And too much bullying and toleration/encouragement of that. Wikipedia is a horrible place where decent, well-meaning contributors get trashed and driven away, that's the main thing that goes on, IMHO.

However I wish you would not, in the process of speaking up encouragingly to an editor who seems to need it, bash me. U suggested i had "bad taste and bad faith" and that I "appear to have never read WP:AGF or WP:NPA", which is harsh. And, I am not sure that conjuring up the idea of an ANI or RFC/U or other dispute battles with your put-up-or-shut-up-type admonition towards me is that great for the editor. I assure u i have no intention of opening an ANI or RFC/u to prosecute like that; it seems this person is, at least right now, a bit sensitive, and in some responses, has "heard" what i had to say anyhow.

In an online forum, it is hard to get civility and decency exactly right, at the same time as giving real, genuine feedback and not completely shying away from substantial issues about content and policies and behavior. I have myself mostly been participating at AFDs about organizations and companies recently, and I do have concerns from time to time with editors abusing the speedy deletion or AFD processes. Some deletion-nominators (not meaning this one) are quite obtuse and destructive in their effects, IMHO. I have intersected with this editor in 3 afds, the first i recall being Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hospitality House, where i was pretty insulted, and my contribution of legitimate substantial sources (offline) was completely dismissed by this editor. I am a big boy and pretty well used to a lot of nastiness here, and a different editor spoke up, and there is no real problem for me. This editor has gotten some mild though apparently-slightly-hard-to-digest feedback from me, since, within Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Titstare and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Planet Pizza. By prevailing standards, i was really quite mild, IMHO, and if u look at what i wrote you would agree that I was mild, i think. Note this editor has 78,000 edits. But I am concerned too that the editor's reactions indicate some pain experienced, not what i intended. I was pondering what i could do on the nice side, and I "thanked" Carrite for their nice comment.

Again, I really do appreciate your sticking up for this editor, but do wish you didn't feel it necessary to bash me. I could easily be justified in accusing u of what you accused me of, for what u said and how you said it. It's not all bad...I take it as feedback to me, too, what you thought based on what you saw, and i will seek to avoid causing that kind of reaction from a person like you, too. Despite my feeling your reaction towards me is a tad unfair. Do let's not get into a negative thing, though, and do let me end by simply thanking you for helping that editor. No reply necessary, but if u do comment here i will see it. sincerely, --doncram 15:38, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

• Look, Doncram, I only had to stick up for this editor because they felt unfairly criticized by you. It's a package deal. You said there appeared to be a pattern of bad nominations, and that's about as serious charge as you can make. I would take such a charge personally as well. I believe, though, that this is the kind of comment that can be unsaid. And if you had trouble with them in other AfDs, there are better ways to handle that, starting on their talk page. I actually don't know that editor very well, and I don't think I've had much interaction with you (odd, really, given our edit number), but that remark taken by itself was simply unacceptable. I'm all for BEFORE, and I'm all for taking editors to task for not doing their jobs, but that was not the right place to make the remark without context, evidence, etc. That's all, my dear Doncram. Drmies (talk) 22:32, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Okay, all your points noted. I did not think my comment in the afd would come across as you interpreted it to be, but his + your reactions show me otherwise. I've given mild user talk page comments to many persons before, and agree that seems like it would have worked out better to start there, this time. Thanks for your consideration. And, yes, I can't specifically remember where we have crossed paths much before in any direct interactions, though i know your name from your comments in general discussions. --doncram 17:38, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Thank you Doncram. I'm just trying to keep the peace here and there, usually failing miserable. You know, sometimes a comment comes just at the wrong time, through no fault of the commenter. Maybe that's what happened here, I don't know. But y'all are two longtime editors and we can't afford to lose any more. Thanks again, Drmies (talk) 20:01, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Help at Titstare

User:Betafive is edit warring and engaging in WP:IDHT at Titstare. Can you intervene? The issue is a statement from The New York Times that explicitly says that a CTO was fired because of his comments about Titstare. Betafive is edit warring to keep the information out of the article, despite multiple sources that quite explicitly say that this happened. I'm getting quite tired of this, and the article may need to be protected. However, since you recently closed to deletion discussion, I thought maybe you might be somewhat familiar with the article, and maybe we can resolve this without protection or blocks. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 19:10, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

This isn't an appropriate way to resolve content or policy disputes; please see WP:CANVAS and WP:DRR. betafive 19:48, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Betafive, what on earth are you talking about? A person can't come and ask me for advice? I'm about to have have a look, and if this Pirate is correct, then you'll just have to accept it. BTW, I haven't forgotten what you said on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Titstare, and I'm still wondering whether you have the WP:COMPETENCE required, given that CANVAS is entirely irrelevant. Drmies (talk) 22:09, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm not here to explain policy to you. You made your opinion about me known at the AfD for Titstare; NinjaRobotPirates choice to appeal directly to you for "help" was clearly partisan. betafive 01:34, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Actually, I don't know why you're here at all. And no, it was not partisan, since you or the Pirate have no way of knowing whose side I would be on in this content dispute. Unless, of course, you realized that your own position was ridiculous, and that the Pirate and I had the common sense to know that. In that case, yeah. Also, don't you go and explain policy to me: I am not convinced you can. Drmies (talk) 14:06, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry you and I don't agree about common sense, but please quit casting personal aspersions in my direction. You're turning a content dispute into an interpersonal conflict, and it's inappropriate. betafive 15:53, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

I wish I could turn every other word blue here. I'm not casting anything in your direction, except the charge that you're wrong. Good faith has nothing to do with it, and the "interpersonal" conflict is all yours: I have no conflict with you because I have nothing to do with you. What's inappropriate is that you can't see your inappropriateness (your false accusation of a personal accusation, which is of course a personal accusation), and that you continue to beat this dead horse. Now go away. Drmies (talk) 17:09, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

You questioned my WP:COMPETENCE and WP:COMMON sense, because, afaict, we disagree over content. If you don't understand how that constitutes a personal attack, perhaps you shouldn't be an admin. betafive 00:37, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

I look forward to receiving a notification that you started that paperwork. Drmies (talk) 18:40, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Given the way you seek out and cultivate conflict, I have no doubt that is the case. betafive 05:58, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

• You sound terribly familiar. Strange! Or these false accusations are just normal these days. But I don't think you need me to find conflict--I think you're pretty good at it without any help. Drmies (talk) 14:08, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
  • If I may intrude: how about both of y'all just stopping? Betafive, Drmies asked you to stay off his talk page; please do so. Such requests are traditionally allowed and should be honored. Drmies, I can't really dictate to you on your own talk page (or to anyone else anywhere else for that matter), but Betafive can't really be expected to let things go if you keep replying to him here, right? So let's just let this thread, and the others like it, die an ugly yet quiet death, and everyone return to their corner, okay? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:09, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
    • You may. But you may also explain, if you like, how accusations of threats and harassment are themselves personal attacks, the kind of things that this person templates people for fairly regularly. I've bitten my tongue more than once with this person already, WK. Drmies (talk) 17:45, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Arseniy Yatsenyuk

If you or any of your talk page stalking administrators think that my actions were inappropriate because of my prior reverts, please do whatever you think is appropriate with the article.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:42, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

• Considering that neutrality was clearly at stake there (in a BLP), I don't think this is a situation where you as protecting admin should not have reverted. Thanks for that, Bbb. Drmies (talk) 14:15, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Tjapko van Bergen

Can you add more to this from Dutch wiki about the 1928 olympics and his Nazi leader work, only if it can be sourced of course..♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:17, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

• Ernst, I'll be happy to. Odd: nothing in Google Books (at least not the easy way). Interesting subject--thanks. Drmies (talk) 14:52, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
• Ernst, I've done all I could: it's not much. I wonder if Narva is close to Krakolye--the death notices in the newspapers have Narva. Feel free to edit in any way you see fit. As a side note, it's kind of disconcerting to go through the papers and see all the notices for all those people who fought and died for the Nazis: I saw dozens of them. One of the ones for van Bergen has the NSB rune in it, and others have the SS Rottenfuhrer with the runic S. Brrr. Drmies (talk) 18:04, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
  • There's another photograph here; don't know if we can lift that one. Drmies (talk) 18:08, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
    • According to an unreliable site about Satanism, that particular rune was mandated for use in all Nazi death notices. I saw the rune and thought of the urban legend about Gerald Holtom's design (but I thought it was a Panzergruppe insignia). http://www.waffen-ss.nl/vwl-e.php has an image of the NSB "Wolfsangel" rune. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 18:42, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
      • I just hate seeing them to begin with, and what this NSB rune evokes for me is an image of just sheer enormous and criminal, genocidal stupidity. Those were my countrymen. Other notices have people killed by "the hands of cowardly killers" and stuff like that. Brrr. Drmies (talk) 19:12, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
      • It's not the Wolfsangel in that ad I saw--it's ᛣ (don't know if you can see it properly; found it in Runic (Unicode block)). Drmies (talk) 19:19, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
        • Can't see it properly- for some reason the Het Nationale Dagblad site won't let me proceed to the page. For me, the greatest value of Wikipedia is in its NPOV- to help expose the toxic bullshit that leads to criminal, genocidal stupidity. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 19:59, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Admin requested at Simon Schama

If you have a second [8] cheers! Johnbod (talk) 14:58, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

• Well, I gave you an editor, not an admin, since I agree with you on the content. I reverted and left them a templated 3R warning, so I won't be blocking them--that's what we have Bbb23 for. Drmies (talk) 17:11, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Block

Will you please block my account for 2 weeks. Please also remove talk page access.Hell in a Bucket (talk) 20:18, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

• Drop me a real quick email--I'm checking. Drmies (talk) 20:40, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
• (edit conflict) Interfering (talk page stalker): Hell in a Bucket, Drmies isn't in the category of admins willing to place self-requested blocks, but I am. Would you like me to block you? If so, please affirm first that you have read my conditions on this page and agree to them. But sorry, Drmies, maybe blocking HiaB would make your life complete? Bishonen | talk 20:45, 17 August 2014 (UTC).

• Bish, I don't mind. No, it would not make my life complete: there's a few others on that list though. Hell in a Bucket, I'd block under the exact same conditions Bish has set out on that page. Drmies (talk) 20:46, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

• I know what you mean. OK, HiaB, you've got the luxury of choice. :-) Bishonen | talk 20:50, 17 August 2014 (UTC).

• Well, we won't be hearing from HiaB in the next two weeks. Drmies (talk) 21:09, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) Does that put him on your bucket list? Favonian (talk) 21:14, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Someone else to block?

I've had a crap day here and amongst the crapness have been the goings-on at Jadoon. Although I've opened a case at SPI is likely to take ages at the moment due to a volunteer shortage. This is the latest revert to a dreadful version of the article by the sockmaster. I added a link to the SPI at the very bottom of their talk page and they've had the caste sanctions warning etc. They're still not talking and I'm fed up. - Sitush (talk) 20:54, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

• "Crapness". Is that your anti-feminist version of "ambitiousness"? Drmies (talk) 21:16, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
• OK, Sitush, I've blocked you for a few months per your request here. Happy wikibreak. Bishonen | talk 21:18, 17 August 2014 (UTC).

• Kidding! I've made a couple of blocks, though. [9][10][11] Bishonen | talk 21:25, 17 August 2014 (UTC).

• Thanks, both. As for blocking me rather than them, well, I've sort of been on the end of accusations today because I've got a clean block log. Perhaps if it was dirtied ... - Sitush (talk) 23:31, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Archive failed

I don't know what I should think of this: archive failed? The three threads are now nowhere, not on the talk, not in the archive. Diff to one is on top of my user page, "Inkpot", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:55, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

• I don't know, Gerda--I am very unfamiliar with Jimbo's talk page and, more importantly, with the whole automated archiving bit. Any smart persons around? Drmies (talk) 21:57, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

If it wasn't that automated archiving, I could just do something manually, but this bot usually goes round and changes links from "to the talk" to "to the archive". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:05, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

I've got to leave soon and can't diagnose it at the moment but will try if it is still a problem when I get back tomorrow (weather permitting). Try pasting the unarchived stuff in a sandbox and see if it will let you save it. If there is a blacklisted link it will hopefully show up...if so then just mangle the url a little and the bot would then go ahead with archiving.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 23:25, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Without having seen this, I restored it to the talk, and it seems to have been properly archived now. I also commented the Signpost. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:20, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

A while back some of the threads from Talk:Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 were "archived", but the newly created Archive 10 failed to appear for several hours. It was as if they were somewhere "in limbo" awaiting creation of the new repository. I assumed this was some kind of low-level bot/server problem. They eventally appeared in the new Archive 10. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:37, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Group of 88 and biographies

Drmies, I was pretty sure there was a conclusive discussion about undue weight and inclusion of Group of 88 material in biographies. I can't find it now. If you recall where that discussion was can you post it at Talk:Grant Farred#Removed sections? Thanks. Nigel Pap (talk) 22:02, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

• Didn't this come up in an ANI thread? Yes: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive846#.22Group_of_88.22_problems, though I don't know if that is as much as you'd like. Best, in case of a dispute, to start a thread at WP:BLPN, for instance. Drmies (talk) 22:21, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks. I found that one but it wasn't convincing. I will start a thread on the noticeboard. Nigel Pap (talk) 23:27, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Also worth reading is Talk:Group of 88. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:54, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
      • Thank you Cullen. Drmies (talk) 14:50, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Re message

I got your message about being blocked I am sorry for not properly enquiring if it was alright to add how those mp's voted on Ru486 again, although I am against abortion, I follow wikipedia's policy of remaining neutral, I did not say Robert Hill sadly voted for the horrible RU486, I just mentioned that he voted for Ru486. Same with Andrew Robb voting against Ru486 and Bruce Billson voting for Ru486. I am trying to be reasonable in what I do on wikipedia. --Smokeyfire (talk) 23:15, 17 August 2014 (UTC)Smokeyfire

• OK, Smokeyfire, but now you know, I hope, as does Two kinds of pork: agreement should be sought and found on the article talk page, and it is possibly a case where editors at WP:BLPN have an interest in also. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 01:18, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

My ears are burning. Not a fan of pork ears myself, but I enjoyed a lovely pork pate last night. I thought of you when I saw it on the menu. In any case I have been trying to encourage Smokey to discuss on the talk page. I have also requested you to do the same, and I'm asking again please. While Smokey has not hid his motive for his proposed edit at this article, amongst others, the responses he has received have been often uncharitable. I made a suggestion that the Hill article could have a "positions" section, where the RU486 source could be used, in addition to Hill's other positions. I find it surprising that a politician who has served for such a long period of time doesn't have that in their article already. His notability derives from politics, so I would expect to learn something about his political career. I hope to see you there. Two kinds of pork (talk) 06:01, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, somehow I haven't yet made it over there, but I'll have a look. Also, last night's dinner was carnitas. Very tasty. Drmies (talk) 14:23, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Silly question

Aren't Basque and Catalan two different languages?--Bbb23 (talk) 23:30, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

• Yep. Catalan is a Romance language, and Basque is...Basque. (It's a fascinating subject matter, look it up). Neither of them are Spanish, of course. Drmies (talk) 01:21, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

  Thanks. I did look them up. Neither article seemed to connect to the other except geopolitical boundaries over time. I'm not sure that what you find fascinating I'd find fascinating. I was in Basque country once, though, and that was exciting. We were staying in the French Pyrenees at this absolutely idyllic Michelin one-star hotel/restaurant on a river. When we left, we were headed for Barcelona. We didn't have a car, and the trip by train or bus would have been tough. So we hired a driver to take us over the border. When we got to this small border crossing, the scary guys (don't even know if they were French or Spanish as they didn't say anything that I can recall) weren't even interested in looking at our passports. Instead, they searched the car and our luggage for arms.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:54, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

• That is a not unexciting story, Bbb. I think you can make it better by having had arms in your baggage--I think plastic explosives used to be quite popular in that area. But who in the US still knows, or ever knew, what ETA is? Drmies (talk) 02:03, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

• We left our arms at home. I figured I could always buy anything I needed. Seriously, there is nothing better than sitting on a terrace right next to a river eating superb French food. The meals were included, and you always got one dessert with lunch and dinner. One time the chef made this lovely cake, and I asked the server if I could have another. They were so impressed that I could eat another dessert after the rather generous meal, they gave it to me for nothing. Ah, life was good.--Bbb23 (talk) 05:13, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

• Maybe you can try your hand at translating es:Francisco Javier García Gaztelu. Drmies (talk) 02:13, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

• Doesn't everyone know about ETA and the Basque separatist movement? I mean, from the Clash song, if nothing else? MastCell ^Talk 04:52, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

• I know far more about the Basques and their movement than I do about punk rock songs. Never even heard of the Clash. Ironically, two rock stars have lived in my neighborhood.--Bbb23 (talk) 05:07, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

• Never heard of the Clash?!?! Where is the de-friend button on this website? Drmies, do you tolerate this sort of Philistinism on your talkpage? MastCell ^Talk 05:12, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

• Indeed! Are you saying that you're not even familiar with "Rock the Casbah", Bbb23?! ​—DoRD (talk)​ 13:32, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

• DoRD, I won't cite you for this MOS violation, not this time. People, Bbb is a strange and wonderful person and we have to make allowances for genius--and let us remember that Bbb went places, while you and I sat at home getting fat and watching football (Bbb also doesn't know what the Tide is). MastCell, I wouldn't say "Philistinism" here, but it certainly is odd, isn't it. Bbb, "Spanish Bombs" is certainly worth checking out, though my favorite is "The Guns of Brixton", if only for that bass line. Drmies (talk) 14:20, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

(I still listen to the Sex Pistols frequently) I'm sure Bbb has heard Should I Stay or Should I Go? ...or This is Radio Clash? I wore out two vinyl records of Combat Rock back in the day. It should be listened to with the volume set on 11 on a scale of 1 to 10. Well worth exploring if you don't know it.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 22:09, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

OK, "Should I Stay or Should I Go", I never got that. I think it was the soundtrack for a Levi's commercial or something like that, and that ad was cool, but the song, I never cared for it, just as I never cared for "Brand New Cadillac". I mean, I'm sure it's an homage and all that, but still. Drmies (talk) 22:23, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with any of this stuff, and I'm not going to listen to it, either. I'm going to remain ignorant, narrow-minded, and a second-class snob. Philistinism, indeed. Has any of you ever seen a three-claviered harpsichord dedicated to Catherine the Great? It's quite stunning. It has a painting of the dedication on the underneath of the lid.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:13, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Made by Hieronymus Albrecht Hass it has 16, 8, 4 and 2 foot registers, with a painting of Poniatowski offering his big instrument to Mrs. Stallion on the lid. Wanda Landowska was stunned by it when she saw it in a Parisian junk shop. Only time I ever listened to the Clash was in a cinema- a free showing of some film about them. The audience consisted of Hindu families and skinheads. Just after the "blowjob in a toilet" scene, the skinheads started fighting each other, and the Hindus panicked and ran out of the cinema, the lights came on, and I never got to see the end of the film (and never will, hopefully). Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 04:47, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

As the article says it was owned by Rafael Puyana, who, regrettably, died. Puyana, btw, was the last student of Landowska. Mrs. Stallion, hehe.--Bbb23 (talk) 04:57, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

August 2014

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to delete or edit legitimate talk page comments, as you did at Talk:Autism, you may be blocked from editing. betafive 17:59, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah right. Please stop your template abuse, betafive. Bishonen | talk 18:05, 18 August 2014 (UTC).

Thanks Bish. I'm sure you saw the conversation on User talk:Betafive. Drmies (talk) 18:15, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but have you seen my note on User talk:Thomas.W? Bishonen | talk 21:18, 18 August 2014 (UTC).

Ah Bish, kids these days... Can't even get a "fuck off MRS. Drmies" out of them. Drmies (talk) 18:57, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Proposal

There is currently a discussion, you might be interested in, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Record_charts#Inclusion_of_Amazon.2C_Spotify.2C_iTunes.2C_Beatport_under_digital_charts Thanks. prokaryotes (talk) 18:07, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

• prokaryotes, I appreciate the ping, but I'm not sure how I could shed light on anything there--it's not something I know much about. I do, however, have some general objections to various listings of online charts if it turns out they're really not references but rather commercial links, in the way that too frequently Amazon products are listed to references trivialities like release dates. I don't know if that's going on. I had a quick look at the conversation and I think that, at first glance, I agree with Two kinds of pork's comment, and I generally agree with Kww on matters of sourcing as well, but I really have little expertise. TenPoundHammer might have more of an interest in this matter. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 18:26, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Okay, thanks:) prokaryotes (talk) 18:27, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Problematic IP editor

Hello! I see you blocked 72.223.56.123 (talk · contribs) in May for three months for disruptive edit warring. The block has now expired and he is back editing as before. I'm pretty sure this is the latest incarnation of CameronPG (talk · contribs), who was blocked indefinitely in 2010, but seems to have continued editing from IP addresses ever since. His characteristic editing patterns include repeatedly overlinking names of musical instruments, changing "horn" to "French horn" and "clarinet" to "soprano clarinet", and editing the article 700 Years of Classical Treasures: A Tapestry in Music and Words, which he created... indeed the edit history of that article is a fairly good catalogue of all the IP addresses he has used. He also has an interest in editing Disney-related articles. Various editors have tried to engage him in discussion, but I don't think he has ever responded. I'm cautious about being too heavy-handed as a note on his user page, apparently from his mother, states that he has been diagnosed autistic, but his edits have become a long-term problem. I've wondered about opening a sockpuppet investigation, though I'm not sure how effective that would be as he seems to use many IP addresses. I would welcome any thoughts or advice you might have. --Deskford (talk) 00:44, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

• I'll have a look at the IP's edits. I was not familiar with this user (that cri de coeur on their user page--well, what can one say. So there's no SPI? It doesn't really matter anyway if they're not socking, just using IPs. You could consider adding an entry to WP:LTA, outlining favorite targets, methods, etc. You could ask some smart person like Kww or a hot shot like Elockid to set up a rangeblock if there's multiple IPs being used, though that should probably come after an outline an investigation; they'd need to know the scope of the problem. It's a pity the blocking admin, PMDrive1061 is no longer around (I miss them dearly), since they might have had some ideas as well. Basically, if you think that this person is using a lot of IP addresses to create a lot of disruption, then it might be worth starting an SPI if you have any suggestion that they're socking, and/or an LTA case. BBL. Drmies (talk) 02:06, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
• Well, I blocked that IP for another three months. I think it's a good idea to start a paper trail of some sort, maybe at LTA since that's really what we have here. IPs point to Mesa, Arizona, but I'm not smart or geeky enough to do anything clever. But a list of favorite targets, for instance, would be helpful, yes. Thanks, and keep me posted. Drmies (talk) 02:30, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Note--a list of IPs is interesting as well. 67.161.238.135 redirects to La Fayette, Georgia; it is remarkably stable and lines up perfectly with your editor. Drmies (talk) 03:11, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
• Thanks. I think LTA might be the answer. I was unfamiliar with this, so I'll read up about it and see if I can put together a submission. If nothing else, it might make a good place to collect information about this editor. I know I've had various conversations about him on other editors' talk pages, but I'm not sure I could find them all now. Thanks for blocking 72.223.56.123 again. Now I think about it, I haven't seen him editing under other IPs whilst this one was blocked for the last three months, so this could be his main address at the moment. --Deskford (talk) 10:04, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Burton on Trent vandal

Hello again. I don't know if you remember, but you were involved in repeatedly blocking a persistently disruptive IP editor a few years ago. He almost exclusively targets Hong Kong martial arts films, and he's been the subject of temporary range blocks, a sock puppet investigation, a community ban proposal, and, after I filed a new ANI complaint, I've volunteered to write a long-term term abuse report. On my talk page, MarnetteD helpfully suggested that there's an admin who had extensive experience with this vandal, but he can't remember who it was. I was hoping that you might remember to whom MarnetteD was referring. If you can't remember this far back, that's fine – I realize this is a long shot. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 10:49, 20 August 2014 (UTC)