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June 29

June 29, 2009 (2009-06-29) (Monday)

ITN candidates for June 29

Iran Elections

The Iranian Guardian Council certified the controversial election, setting off enormous street protests, despite the government's ban on these proceedings. New York Times MacMedtalkstalk 19:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


China

3 dead, 60 hurt in China train collision. This is what happens when an incident in Washington gets posted and users suggest that train crashes like that probably wouldn't be posted if they happened in other places, like Africa. So here is one in China being reported in the US media which (surprisingly?) nobody has rushed to nominate. --candle•wicke 19:17, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I have made an article - 2009 Hunan train collision -- TouLouse (talk) 19:22, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well done. Sorry if I nominated it before you had the chance. It will probably need to be expanded though but that leaves time to gather other supports. --candle•wicke 19:37, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Too much violence, and not an update. Nobody would let me start an article like that. They'd say it belongs at Wikinews.--Chuck Marean 20:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's...not true. Although I do agree that the update is rather lacklustre, once it's built up, I support. Therequiembellishere (talk) 20:54, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
We're going to need a lot more detail in the article before this should go up on ITN. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:01, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Madoff
was the actual fraud case put up on ITN when it came out? if not then i dont mind this. its a feel good story for all those who lost their money lol Ashishg55 (talk) 17:34, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
actually nvm it was on ITN. so forget it. dont need this twice Ashishg55 (talk)
If its been up before then it doesn't need to go up twice. Wasn't it Madoff who pleaded guilty, which was why it was put early? --Daviessimo (talk) 17:43, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above. Madoff overkill. --candle•wicke 19:09, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. We don't have anything yet for today, and I don't think two mentions of the Madoff scandal is overkill. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:00, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's probably not the outcome, since he is likely to appeal being sent to jail for going bankrupt like General Motors and his business practices being called a scheme by the press. --Chuck Marean 20:45, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support because we don't have anything for today? There are several nominations from the past few days which we can update if there is that much of an emergency. I'm going through some right now anyway. We also have the Chinese train crash if it has to have been nominated today. --candle•wicke 21:07, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think any of the other recently nominated items carry as much interest among English Wikipedia users as the Madoff story, but that's just my opinion. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:18, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
He confessed to the crime and this was expected. It has already been posted once. English user interest does not really play a role when pretty much same story was already featured on ITN. If that was the case then we will have same stories that just keep popping up whenever there is any new update. Ashishg55 (talk) 22:03, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And Paris Hilton and Brittany Spears would have dominated ITN... Therequiembellishere (talk) 22:08, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If the 150 gets him to appeal, that would make the headline sound less biased. --Chuck Marean 22:57, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Caucasus 2009

Russia launches the Caucasus 2009 operational-strategic military exercise to assess combat readiness in the Southwest district of Russia. Offliner (talk) 09:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning towards support... Anyone else? --BorgQueen (talk) 09:09, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
According to LA Times, it is Russia's largest military exercises since the 2008 war with Georgia. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:21, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hm, this means this is the largest operation in about a year. I don't see anything significant just in that. And it's not even international. We don't put most of NATO exercises on ITN either. --Tone 09:43, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's significant because of the very tense situation in Caucasus and the relations between Russia and Georgia. Offliner (talk) 09:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Russia conducting military exercises on its own territory is not ITN-significant, especially not when it's in the North Caucasus! We can put this up if it becomes "Russia decides to invade Georgia as part of the Caucasus 2009 military exercises." Physchim62 (talk) 10:47, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean with especially not when it's in the North Caucasus? Offliner (talk) 10:53, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Russian military (and paramilitary) forces have been fighting in the North Caucasus for the much of the last fifteen years: its hardly surprising that they do their training exercises in an area where might well have to fight in the near future. It's no different from the NATO exercises on the North German Plain through the Cold War. "Russia launches major military exercises in Iowa" might be ITN-significant… "Russia launches major military exercises at the North Pole" would almost certainly be significant. Physchim62 (talk) 11:12, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't agree with your argumentation that it being conducted in the North Caucasus makes it less notable. Major combat operations in Chechnya finished a long time ago. It's a very large exercise, probably among the largest in Russia after 1991. Obviously, it's not in the headlines of the international (i.e. anglophone) media, but it has a nice article and it would be a different subject for a change. (Usually we seem to have elections, accidents, plus all kinds of US/UK centric stuff on ITN.) Offliner (talk) 11:55, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Not really ITN worthy. If they were starting a repeat of last year, I might give a very weak support.  Cargoking  talk  10:58, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Ricci v. DeStefano

In a 5-4 ruling in Ricci v. DeStefano, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in favor of white firefighters who had passed a promotional test, but had been denied the promotions because of their race. This overturns a lower court decision where U.S. Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor had ruled against the white firefighters. Washington Post Grundle2600 (talk) 17:41, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Come again? --candle•wicke 18:46, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, this is a hard one to summarize in one sentence. Perhaps, "In the case Ricci v. DeStefano, the U.S. Supreme Court rules New Haven, Connecticut racially discriminated against 18 white firefighters." But most ITN participants are going to look at that and say, "So what?" -- Mwalcoff (talk) 20:58, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

June 28

June 28, 2009 (2009-06-28) (Sunday)

ITN candidates for June 28

International child pornography ring gets busted in Switzerland

[1] Not much info is available yet, but let's keep an eye on this. It reportedly involves more than 2,000 people in 78 countries. Can you believe it?? --BorgQueen (talk) 18:55, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Jean-Christophe Sauterel, a police spokesman in Vaud, told Swiss newspaper Le Matin Dimanche that it was "the biggest concern of its kind dismantled in Switzerland". [2] --BorgQueen (talk) 06:08, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Ongoing Thailand Standoff

An ongoing standoff has left 3 dead including a suspected militant in Thailand.

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Honduran president arrested

President of Honduras Manuel Zelaya is arrested by troops ahead of a disputed constitutional referendum. [3] Notable enough? --BorgQueen (talk) 13:38, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Seems notable. Update first, of course. --Tone 14:09, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Updated. Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:06, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
According to current news reports, this is not a coup. His ouster was ordered by the Supreme Court for repeatedly defying their rulings. Congress has selected his replacement according to the Constitution, which is still in full force. His own party isn't even supporting him, only his most extreme grassroots supporters. He was legally removed from office; just because Hugo Chavez calls it a coup, doesn't automatically make it a coup. --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 00:55, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The U.S. media is calling it a coup, and they're hardly Chavistas. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 01:05, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know how hard it is to impress that the US media are not the pinnacle by which we follow. The question is, was the removal today a coup? I personally believe we shouldn't say coup and just say "removed/deposed/exiled" to make it utterly impartial. Therequiembellishere (talk) 01:27, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


2009 European floods

At least 12 people were killed in the Czech Republic and one in Poland. TouLouse (talk) 13:35, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This has been nominated below but it shows that this has gotten much worse... still supporting. --candle•wicke 18:49, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Albania elections

Albania goes to the polls to vote for a new parliament. There will not be a new head of state (the president is elected seperately) but there will be a new prime minister appointed by the president and approved by the new parliament. Article at Albanian parliamentary election, 2009 - Dumelow (talk) 12:09, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Guinea-Bissau elections

Guinea-Bissau votes for a new president today as well. The winner will replace João Bernardo Vieira who was assassinated in March. Article at Guinea-Bissau presidential election, 2009 - Dumelow (talk) 12:16, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


2009 FIFA Confederations Cup final

is today. –Howard the Duck 04:43, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Would this have been nominated if the United States team hadn't just "caused one of the biggest upsets in world football"? --candle•wicke 19:10, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Would you support being this is the awesomest upset ever? –Howard the Duck 14:02, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The Confederations Cup is nothing but a glorified friendly competition, which allows FIFA to make some money. OK, so maybe I'm being a tad cynical, but the fact remains that Brazil are known as 5 times World Champions or 8 times South American champions and not two times winners of the Confederations Cup. As I have stated on the talk page of WP:ITNR, I'd personally rather see other more prestigious competitions added --Daviessimo (talk) 21:01, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The Confederations Cup may just be a tune-up for the World Cup, but if the U.S. wins, it will be the biggest win in the history of U.S. soccer and of great interest to the 50% or so of Wikipedia users who come from the U.S. So I support including the finals result on ITN. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 00:35, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But what about if Brazil win? Would you still support? And as Candlewicke asks would this item even have been nominated if the US had been knocked out by Spain? The item either goes up or doesn't - we can't add a clause that if one time wins it goes up and if another wins it doesn't --Daviessimo (talk) 07:02, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Actually Olympic basketball would've had a bigger shot if Spain won in the final, since US winning the gold isn't really "news". –Howard the Duck 14:02, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I support even if Brazil wins. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 02:44, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Brazil won... Felipe Menegaz 20:24, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ready to post? In association football, Brazil win the Confederation Cup? --Tone 20:35, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - We do not cover the teams verson so why cover the International Teams one?. After all it only several international friendlys and not a proper tournament like the world cup.Jason Rees (talk) 20:38, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. In association football, Brazil win the 2009 FIFA Confederations Cup? Felipe Menegaz 20:55, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. It is a professional official FIFA competition, therefore it is not a friendly tournament. --Carioca (talk) 21:18, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --Tone 22:09, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Don't we usually put the score in entries about sporting events? Should it not be "Brazil defeat the USA 3-2 to win the 2009 Confederations Cup" or similar? – Toon 22:58, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Possible WP:ITNR?  Cargoking  talk  23:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah go add it. –Howard the Duck 23:18, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Does anyone second this?  Cargoking  talk  23:42, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This item's addition was premature; there is no substantial article update. 2009 FIFA Confederations Cup Final should be expanded to include a reasonably detailed account of the match. Simply stating that Brazil defeated the United States 3–2 is insufficient. —David Levy 23:49, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Incidentally, if/when the article is suitably expanded, the following blurb would sidestep the English variety issue ("win"/"wins" or "defeat"/"defeats") that inevitably results in well-meaning back-and-forth edits:
I was about to switch to this wording when I noticed that the update criterion wasn't met. —David Levy 23:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

June 27

June 27, 2009 (2009-06-27) (Saturday)

ITN candidates for June 27

Saad Hariri

Saad Hariri becomes Prime Minister of Lebanon. Can anyone update the article? --BorgQueen (talk) 03:10, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Zelaya
Needs to wait for more confirmation, but sacking a democratically elected president just because he is (alleged to be) mad is probably ITN worthy! Physchim62 (talk) 18:52, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, very interesting (only if he gets sacked.) --BorgQueen (talk) 03:06, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Volvo Ocean Race concludes
Telefonica Blue in Alicante, Spain at the start of the 2008-09 Volvo Ocean Race
Telefonica Blue in Alicante, Spain at the start of the 2008-09 Volvo Ocean Race

The 2008-09 Volvo Ocean Race is scheduled to end, with the finish line in Saint Petersburg, Russia. I wonder why this has never been proposed before - I cannot see how it could possibly lose. According to the main article, "the route for the 2008-2009 race has been altered from previous years to include stopovers in the Middle East and Asia for the first time... will take over nine months to complete, and is expected to reach a cumulative TV audience of 2 billion worldwide." Which probably makes it the most popular sports event of the year? Or near enough at any rate. The article has an image from Alicante, I might have some more by the end. Also when replying, please consider approving it for WP:ITNR – it certainly won't weigh down ITN as it takes place once every three years and the facts speak for themselves. Most continents catered for, this race has superpowers like Brazil, India, China, South Africa and the US(!!!). --candle•wicke 20:39, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

By this time, I usually take these "worldwide" viewing figures with a grain of salt, otherwise the Super Bowl is the most watched annual sporting event. –Howard the Duck 01:25, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but I think there is more to this than just viewing figures... --candle•wicke 21:46, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I do think if there's one sailing event that'll have to be added, it's the America's Cup, this one is not that followed, even though it may have "an expected cumulative 2 billion TV audience" worldwide. I haven't seen it here, so probably 90 million people wouldn't see it. –Howard the Duck 08:26, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
~1,595 news articles in Google News. Will rise as the race wraps up. –Howard the Duck 08:47, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Isn't the Americas Cup already included anyway? This is of international significance because it affects just about every major continent. The US is in there as well so I guess I'm going to be really surprised if it is opposed without a decent reason. You can probably do the population statistics as well if you begin with India and China... --candle•wicke 16:20, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
American participation, or even interest might be overestimated. There's only 1 American news outlet reporting this. No hits from China and also 1 from India. I'd pass on my final judgment later when the race is over. –Howard the Duck 21:05, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well it hasn't ended yet so it wouldn't be reported everywhere. --candle•wicke 02:14, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's why I'll reserve my final judgment later. –Howard the Duck 03:38, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone still pursuing this? The number of news stories rose ~2.2k; by comparison, the 2009 NBA Draft now has ~16k. –Howard the Duck 17:00, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I support. Since its been going on now for months. Finished now. Will anyone do the update?  Cargoking  talk  17:09, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NHL Entry Draft

John Tavares was picked number one in the NHL entry draft yesterday, by the New York Islanders. The young superstar has already broken numerous records, and is expected to continue to do so in the NHL. MacMedtalkstalk

Oppose I don't see any significance to this. Therequiembellishere (talk) 06:21, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


2009 Thailand Standoff

An ongoing standoff that has already left 3 dead including a suspected militant in Thailand. --Roaring Siren (talk) 13:10, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

June 26

June 26, 2009 (2009-06-26) (Friday)

ITN candidates for June 26

Geostationary Operational Environmental Satellite GOES - O Launch Date Moves to June 26 June 26 between 6:14 to 7:14 p.m. EDT plans are abandoned to launch as early as May 20. GOES - O provides environmental information used to support weather forecasting for the United State's National Weather Service (NWS) operations. Updated...SriMesh | talk 01:31, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Some paragraphs (Purpose and Payload, for example) could use a couple more refs (they have none, 1 per paragraph would be sufficient). In addition, add it to the current events subpage, and wait for the launch. SpencerT♦Nominate! 16:42, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Once the updates are finished, support. Therequiembellishere (talk) 17:51, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest a blurb, please. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:16, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

June 25

June 25, 2009 (2009-06-25) (Thursday)

ITN candidates for June 25

Michael Jackson dead
"Pop star Michael Jackson (pictured) dies after suffering a cardiac arrest in Los Angeles at the age of 50."

~AH1(TCU) 22:02, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unconfirmed so far, only post if confirmed. ~AH1(TCU) 22:05, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously upon confirmation. I presume this is support? --candle•wicke 22:06, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Confirmed? --candle•wicke 22:09, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
They are just quoting TMZ. not yet credinly confirmed. --Like I Care 22:10, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It could still be added in the main page as a report of hospitalisation and changed if things change. --Like I Care 22:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
We cannot afford to mess this up so exercise all caution please. --candle•wicke 22:10, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
My inclination would be to wait for an official statement from either the Police, the hospital or his agent --Daviessimo (talk) 22:12, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Sorry, I saw the SKY headline and thought it had been confirmed. Typical SKY. Multiple sources necessary for something of this magnitude. --candle•wicke 22:15, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The BBC is saying that The LA Times is reporting him dead... I cannot access this though... :( --candle•wicke 22:29, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Confirmed by AP and NBC (can't find link for AP, but on TV). SpencerT♦Nominate! 22:33, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

<-- LA times. SpencerT♦Nominate! 22:37, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes its confirmed. Support. This will be covered internationally and heavily. If there is one celebrity out there that deserves to go up on ITN it has to be MJ. Ashishg55 (talk) 22:38, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Let's just give it a set time, like see what it's like in an hour. There's no rush... we're not a breaking news service. --candle•wicke 22:40, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK, BBC confirmed... :( --candle•wicke 22:46, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But surely before it can go up it needs a prose update like any other item. If some over eager admin put this up without one, it makes a mockery of what we do --Daviessimo (talk) 22:49, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I know. I will see what I can do if needs an update. --candle•wicke 22:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
IMO, meets the criteria for deaths. He was the King of Pop. Sceptre (talk) 22:52, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I can't... protected... somebody else will have to do it... do not post until it's ready... --candle•wicke 22:53, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I'm aware the BBC haven't confirmed it... where are you getting that fact from? At current the BBC are only acting as tertiary source, which isn't suitable for Wikipedia, especialy on such a controversial event. Jolly Ω Janner 22:56, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The BBC News Channel is running with the story that he is dead, although every once in a while they are throwing in "according to US media". I still think the best bet is to wait until an official announcement. As Candlewicke has pointed out we are not a news service --Daviessimo (talk) 23:00, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
They had a live feed on their site which wasn't saying it for a while but then it did in an official-sounding way. But you're right... there is still no rush... however, an admin will have to do all the updating... --candle•wicke 23:03, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, because you didn't let Pavarotti in! :-(  Cargoking  talk  23:11, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Who are you refering to when you say "you"? Jolly Ω Janner 23:19, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand the logic there but I would have supported Pavarotti too. Jackson has the biggest selling album of all time though. And he's all over the radio right now which is quite scary... --candle•wicke 23:23, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's hard to look at Wikipedia now. It keeps crashing. I change my mind to weak support. He is notable, and there is an update.  Cargoking  talk  23:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The current blurb does not specify who Michael Jackson is or how he died. It needs to be updated. ShadowUltra (talk) 23:31, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I know. And "reported". I have asked the admin to pay respect to this discussion and remove it if it is "reported" but Wiki keeps crashing... shows his popularity though. --candle•wicke 23:34, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I am hearing death confirmation by hospital now. --candle•wicke 23:37, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Death confirmed by the coroner. Sceptre (talk) 23:39, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Since it's all confirmed now, I'll be putting in the nominated version above (with picture) as soon as I get the protection stuff handled. Hersfold (t/a/c) 23:45, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Could we maybe make the pic a tad larger? Mononomic (talk) 23:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
For a variety of usability and stylistic reasons, the images in the top four sections (Featured Article, In the News, Did You Know, and On This Day) are limited to no more than 100 pixels in any direction. The image of Jackson is currently set to this limit. --Allen3 talk 00:07, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Allen3, I hadn't realized. Mononomic (talk) 00:18, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A bit premature? I noticed this at DYK and AfD earlier this week and it just dawned on me... --candle•wicke 00:27, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I notice that whoever posted it forgot to add the ITN banner notice on the talk page... I have dealt with this unfortunate occurrence. --candle•wicke 02:33, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh, anonymous forgot to spam the nominator as well. I have now completed this. Why is it that admins rush in for these breaking events, leave a sloppy mess and run off never to be seen again... --candle•wicke 02:40, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Agh, now I see the timer is still going yellow... how difficult is it to do all these things? :( Or have you all collapsed with shock? --candle•wicke 02:45, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And again I am disabled from fixing the admin mess because it is protected. How irritating... --candle•wicke 02:47, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed the timer and adjusted the MP balance. I also find it irritating that some inexperienced admins do not follow the procedure here. Perhaps they are not aware of it, or perhaps they don't care, I don't know. But if they can't (or don't want to) do the job properly perhaps they should leave it to others. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:48, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Several countries flooded, double figure deaths, hundreds evacuated, people missing, states of emergency, etc.

"Torrential downpours have caused devastating floods in several central and eastern European countries." --candle•wicke 19:03, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Looks pretty notable and according to that article it has affected at least five countries. Also, it not like we going to have flooding related items in Europe occuring every week throughout the summer is it? --Daviessimo (talk) 21:03, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Um... in relation to the also bit, this happened in one corner of Ireland the other day while the rest of the island was sunbathing. So no, not as serious as five countries, but actual flooding in different parts of Europe during the summer would seem to be regular enough. --candle•wicke 21:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Probably should have clarified what I was trying to say. What I meant was it is not likely that we are going to put flooding items up every week that can be considered comparable (in relative terms) to the major storms that occur elsewhere. With 10 deaths already I was placing this on a par with say 2007 United Kingdom floods, which are obviously big in the European context and much less frequent than cyclones, hurricanes and typhoons --Daviessimo (talk) 21:38, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes... I think the low(ish) death toll (which might be disregarded in other circumstances) is complemented by the evacuations, freak injuries, state of emergency and the fact that there are several countries involved... --candle•wicke 21:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Baghdad, Iraq", but "Los Angeles", no futher geographic specifier. Systemic bias! 201.124.84.137 (talk) 23:55, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, I think you mean the Michael Jackson entry. I will notify WP:ERRORS. --candle•wicke 02:21, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Oldest musical instrument discovered

... and it's a flute! --candle•wicke 03:12, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support It's art and history. What's not to love? Therequiembellishere (talk) 03:31, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree but perhaps not everyone likes art, history, music, so I will wait to see what others think. --candle•wicke 03:41, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support - it's about time we had a proper encyclopaedic story --Daviessimo (talk) 07:18, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with that point too. And on another note, I wonder how we can have diplomatic expulsions and not have ambassador restorations... I can't work out how to oppose that one if someone were to seriously nominate it... anyway, I suppose it is an update to flute? --candle•wicke 07:32, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Expelling diplomats involve a greater deal of fanfare, though. –Howard the Duck 07:58, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You're right - I agree with that too! Thanks. :D --candle•wicke 08:02, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The flute was found in 2008. Does that make it OK? It is only getting properly published now by the BBC, National Geographic, etc. --candle•wicke 08:10, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I presume it was because it has taken all this time to get an accurate age for it. Anyway you can always state that "Scientists confirm the finding of...", which would cover any potential issue with the date --Daviessimo (talk) 08:36, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. A nice feel-good story for the summer, with obvious encyclopedic merit. Physchim62 (talk) 09:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Physchim62. Good to have some music on ITN. Support.  Cargoking  talk  09:10, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I wonder whether this indeed is the oldest musical instrument. Divje Babe flute seems to be around 15000 years older - however, it was presumably made by Neanderthals, not Modern men. So, if this is put on, the wording should be very careful about that. --Tone 13:22, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. ya im gonna go with Daviessimo on this one. this is some actual encyclopedic material in a long time. Ashishg55 (talk) 14:23, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Is this now officially the most supported item for ITN in history? --Daviessimo (talk) 21:05, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
6 outright supports (including me), 1 cautious support and 1 ambiguous comment - wow... --candle•wicke 21:41, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I've updated the flute article regarding the announcement of the discovery. As the find was actually made last year, but only announced now, I suggest the blurb should be something like "Scientists confirm the discovery of a 35,000 year old flute in Germany, the oldest known musical instrument". The word 'confirm' should cover any issue with the time-lapse --Daviessimo (talk) 15:08, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't see any evidence for breaking any records. In fact, I'm pretty sure we've had way more then 6 before particularly before ITN became so dead. Indeed, I suspect in the old days admins would easily be yelled at if they added controversial or unclear items with only 2 supports. Nil Einne (talk) 10:06, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:27, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Togo abolishes the death penalty

... "The vote was witnessed by Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero." --candle•wicke 03:17, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose There are still, what, 106 countries left? Therequiembellishere (talk) 03:31, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not every day a country abolishes a death penalty in front of the Spanish Prime Minister... --candle•wicke 03:32, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I remembered a certain president presenting the pope the authentic copy of the act that abolished the death penalty with glee so it's not really that rare. –Howard the Duck 07:58, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support, but only because it seems to be part of a concerted move on the part of Spanish diplomacy. That's the interesting bit for me, the spin from the Spanish government has cited other countries with whom "Spain is working" to abolish the death penalty. Trivia: Zapatero's grandfather was executed by the fascists during the Spanish Civil War (although there are many Spaniards who have similar family histories). Which article should be updated? Physchim62 (talk) 09:08, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Use of capital punishment by nation doesn't have much prose. Perhaps the Togolese version of countries listed at Template:Capital punishment could be created if you think it is suitable? That might involve a bit of research though. --candle•wicke 09:29, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe something similar in size to Capital punishment in Iraq which isn't too big or too small... --candle•wicke 09:31, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

June 24

June 24, 2009 (2009-06-24) (Wednesday)

ITN candidates for June 24

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Mark Sanford resignation
This isn't the first time something like this has happened recently though... and it goes back to the example I used previously where the mayor of a Chinese city with a population of 9 million resigned in some corruption scandal and nobody batted an eyelid because the US didn't seem to notice and it was a footnote on the BBC. This state seems to have a population of under 4.5 million but because it is big news in the US it is noticed. This is of course just circumstance and there is nothing wrong with a nomination (which is what keeps ITN going) but I don't think this has any real logical significance for ITN so I will oppose (I use the population statistics as an aside though, and a curious one at that, not as a sole reason to oppose). --candle•wicke 21:54, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(Edit conflict) -- Well more people in the English-speaking world are interested in a governor of South Carolina than a Chinese mayor. Mark Sanford is currently the most popular page on Wikipedia, with Jenny Sanford number six. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:58, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

@Candlewicke: Are you saying, then, that you don't want to support this because ITN and/or mainstream news media already has systemic bias towards US-related news? (apologies if I am misinterpreting your post.) If that is the case, as I'm sure it is, wouldn't it be better to push for more non-US ITN items, rather than just reducing the number of US ones? rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 22:00, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Absolutely not. If it does manage to lead to his resignation as Governor, fine. The Republican Governor's Chair resignation shouldn't be taken into account because it is such an obscure body. We cannot and we will not include every sex scandal of every government official in the world and the United States is no different. Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:56, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've found Xu Zongheng, the person I was referring to. This was how the BBC treated the story - there was a follow-up article on his resignation but I can't yet find it. He was in charge of twice as many people as the person who has left their job here. So this is nothing new at all. --candle•wicke 22:08, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Update: Sanford is now the lead story on the AP, CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal (!), Canada National Post, Google News US, CBS News, USA Today, etc. and has generated an incredible 3,556 Google News hits in barely two hours. If we are to follow the lead of the media rather than impose our own POV, I think the decision is obvious. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:13, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
@Rjanag: No, I am simply treating this like I would any other ITN nomination. I am using other examples of the same thing occurring on a regular basis throughout the world, thus reducing its significance. It's like all the sudden bad weather nominations. Who will post them all and how will they all fit and why are we opposing those who might dare to nominate a few deaths in Iraq because there are too many? We have to see through the headlines and find some significance. ITN is also not the news and is not based on what the top story in a country is, otherwise we'd have a different story to post for every country and how could 200 events be posted (or even fit on the Main Page) each day? --candle•wicke 22:16, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You mean follow the American media? And one from Canada? --candle•wicke 22:18, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(Edit conflict) -- Not all countries are the same. With so many English Wikipedia users from the US, there's a lot more interest in news from the US than there is in news from Equatorial Guinea. This is clear when you look at Wikipedia:Popular pages and see Mark Sanford number one and Jenny Sanford now number five. I mean, I'm sure there are train crashes that kill nine people in Africa all the time, but they wouldn't get on ITN like the Washington Metro crash. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:26, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is no reason to believe that African train crashes would be ignored at ITN at all. I find that an astonishing claim to make. The only reason they might not get on ITN is because you would express your opposition due to CNN & co. not covering them to your satisfaction. --candle•wicke 23:10, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(Edit conflict) And the BBC. But yes, I think that when a story generates an extraordinary amount of attention in the national US media, and the article has been properly updated, it ought to go on ITN. The same can be said of a story that generates an extraordinary amount of attention in the national UK media, as did the election of the new speaker of Parliament. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:26, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We are not the media. We do not follow the media. If you want to push a media-driven agenda go to WikiNews, but for the love of God keep it away from here. Therequiembellishere (talk) 22:25, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Um, Therequiembellishere, what do you think "ITN" stands for? -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:31, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A blooming irritating oxymoron at this stage. --candle•wicke 22:53, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Rjanag, as an admin, I should say you are always free to post it if you believe it appropriate (others do this often enough anyway - it is a pity they don't hang around more often). However, I presume you will also address the baying mob who have pulled down items which I and others thought were more significant. --candle•wicke 22:27, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't plan on posting it, I just thought I'd suggest it for others to discuss. I'm not attached to the article, and I'm not very familiar with ITN and just thought I'd suggest it. If most of the regulars here decide it's not appropriate and don't feature it, no skin off my back. I did first hear about this on an Irish blog, actually, rather than American news, but it's up to you guys to decide on. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 22:32, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You've misinterpreted what we do. We put up the highlighted events on a (generally) international scale. I was also opposed to having Bercow put up, I'll have you know. Therequiembellishere (talk) 22:34, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(Edit conflict) Actually, very few ITN entries are truly "international." There's nothing international about the Metrorail crash. The Ingushetia assassination is of little interest outside Russia and the Caucasus. The Greenland thing is just a Greenland-Denmark issue. The Algeria military ambush? The interim president of Gabon? There are very few really "international" news events. That's why we should aim to have ITN be international as a whole rather than try to make every entry "international." -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wasn't the Washington train incident a "worst ever"? I may have read that incorrectly though, as I'm immune to getting emotional over single figure deaths for the purposes of ITN, even more so when one is fed a daily diet of road traffic accidents by my own national media. But that is a reasonable rationale (although I found it was posted in quite a hurry for such a minor incident). --candle•wicke 22:59, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Worst ever in Washington, but hardly that unusual in rail transport -- 26 people died in a commuter rail crash in LA last year. I supported the nomination because it was the lead story across the US national media and because I'm sure many Wikipedia readers are familiar with the Washington Metro from personal experience. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:08, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well I'm certainly not one of them. --candle•wicke 23:13, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"Man has sex with woman who's not his wife, resigns from organization that nobody's heard of before." This is a non-story. We are not responsible for the pathetic state of the U.S. news media, we are responsible for writing an encyclopedia. Physchim62 (talk) 22:37, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
WOW, i cant believe we go through the same discussion every other day. If US media is following a news story heavily it really does not mean that we need to automatically put it up on ITN. a case about adultery... are u kidding me. i dont care if US media stretches this story for weeks because it entertains americans, Outside of US no one would have even heard of the person and a case for adultery posted on Main Page will simply make ITN look like some gossip column. Im sorry but this should really not go up. strong oppose Ashishg55 (talk) 23:20, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: Rjanag closed this discussion (in good faith I presume as this would be done at DYK where he is prominent) but Therequiembellishere reverted. I can't recall this ever happening before as the discussions are usually left here and then archived later. What now - is this the ITN equivalent of a constitutional crisis? Or is it OK to leave it here? --candle•wicke 00:30, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I found the infobox I was talking about in my edit summary. Archiving... Therequiembellishere (talk)
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Baghdad bombing

we got a big number here BBC 60+. I would normally oppose this but i think this reached my death count limit. What do u guys think. The only thing is the 43 below isnt too far either... :( Ashishg55 (talk) 19:35, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

actually 130+ injured too... Ashishg55 (talk) 19:41, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm... yes... 60+ would be big. It may be the second in such a short time but perhaps this is worth a support until 60 becomes so common that we will reach body fatigue. But I propose that any bomb in the next week or so should have 100+ deaths to feature. Would that be appropriate? --candle•wicke 19:53, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Baghdad market bombing, June 2009. Jolly Ω Janner 22:22, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well i dont know about the whole discussion going on above about adultery but this item should take higher priority. so if there is more support for this... then can we post this Ashishg55 (talk) 23:13, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:28, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Pakistan Drone Attack
Perhaps a good excuse to update Drone attacks on Pakistan by the United States. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:18, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have left some sources. The BBC link also provided links to The Guardian and The Irish Times when I last checked. --candle•wicke 17:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Glastonbury Festival 2009

Glastonbury Festival 2009, the world's largest green field arts and music festival, begins (or 28 June when it ends). Not sure whether its absence is due to history or lack of it... --candle•wicke 20:55, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Even though the largest green field arts and music festival, festivals usually aren't ITN material unless something notable (i.e. a stampede killing 50) occurs, so I'm leaning towards oppose. In addition, pardon my ignorance, but what are green field arts? (Or green field music?) SpencerT♦Nominate! 17:17, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not exactly sure (I think it is the two combined as usually music festivals or other arts festivals do not occur together) but I purposefully included a Chinese source for a recurring UK event which attracts artists of all genres and backgrounds from all over the world. --candle•wicke 17:38, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm too bored to count, but if we're going to include this are we going to include the Coachella Valley Music and Arts Festival in the future too? –Howard the Duck 13:21, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There doesn't appear to be anything special about it. And it began this century? Glastonbury has been happening for decades. Has this even been mentioned in China? --candle•wicke 14:33, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't read Chinese, so I can't verify these Google News results: Coachella. –Howard the Duck 15:17, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2 pages on Google? You've opposed more pages than that. Glastonbury. --candle•wicke 15:32, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Glastonbury being cancelled might be ITN material; Glastonbury happening isn't. Physchim62 (talk) 16:17, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If this get included, surely the Edinburgh Festival Fringe will be. Since it is larger and more prestigious. Therequiembellishere (talk) 16:21, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And then there is the Mathew Street Festival, which claims to be the largest free festival in Europe. Putting Glastonbury up is going to open a big can of worms --Daviessimo (talk) 16:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
True. Points taken, logical response. :D --candle•wicke 16:49, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


UK and Iran expel each other's diplomats

There have been requests to mention the Iranian election protests on Main Page again, and this seems to be a good chance. [4] Can someone update Iran – United Kingdom relations? --BorgQueen (talk) 11:26, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll get on it --Daviessimo (talk) 11:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! You are fantastic. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:31, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Seems a bit lame for an ITN piece to me: it was mentioned in today's Spanish press, but it's no longer on the BBC. Physchim62 (talk) 11:48, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You mean it's no longer on the front page of the BBC? So what? You know we are not a "breaking news" service. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:54, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think the issue here is that the controversy over the Iranian elections is continuing and this is one of the most significant associated acts. Thus if you look at the Iran news item on the front page of the BBC website, you will see further mention of the UK-Iran political tension. For Khameini to call the UK evil and subsequently claim that the protests are being instigated by the west is pretty notable, particularly when you start kicking diplomats out the country --Daviessimo (talk) 12:17, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Suggested blurb: Iran and the United Kingdom expel each other's diplomats, in the aftermath of the disputed 2009 Iranian presidential election and the protests that followed. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:12, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:26, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Sounds good. I didn't expand too much (I didn't put anything on the Iranian accusations that it is British nationals behind the protests) because if it does go up on the main page, hopefully others will edit it --Daviessimo (talk) 12:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If it was mentioned in the Spanish press that ought to be fine? There have been diplomatic incidents at ITN before so this is nothing new. --candle•wicke 14:13, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Or have the UK flag now for a while. Would that be appropriate? Having the UK and Iran together (if this is even possible) would not be neutral either since Iran has been there for so long. Alternative could be to return the President of Ingushetia... --candle•wicke 19:56, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I do not think it is biased to have both flags there. Iran has been in the news for a long time, so there's no reason to not have their flag there for a long time, plus I think we used the pic of their president instead of their flag ages back anyway. Having just the Union Flag is biased. Jolly Ω Janner 20:43, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done. --BorgQueen (talk) 21:11, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Tropical Storm Nangka

Speaking of tropical cyclones we have another one. It even threw down hail(!!!) for the first time in recorded history. –Howard the Duck 10:55, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support This is more notable than Andres since it has made landfall a few times where as andres hasnt Jason Rees (talk) 11:00, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article simply states that the residents claim they have never seen hail before. It is not exactly "for the first time in recorded history". Please suggest another blurb. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:02, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well according to the BBC Andres has. To be honest a third weather nom in three days illustrates better than I could that the notability measure needs to be upped. I would prefer each one to be judged using one of either deaths (say 10+), damage (say $100m+) or strength (say category three as suggested below) --Daviessimo (talk) 11:22, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In Andres' defense, the Philippines is an archipelago so when a cyclone crosses over especially in the central part there's a high chance there'll be multiple landfalls.
As per the hailstorm, the Philippines is a tropical country so having hailstorms is really rare. –Howard the Duck 12:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If there is a significant or unusual occurance I think we can judge it differently. If what you are saying is true (and can be sourced) then I think this can go up. If however, we are talking about a event where nothing unusual happens, then I think we need to have more robust criteria for inclusion --Daviessimo (talk) 12:34, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) I've lived in a Southeast Asian country for years, and I know it is rare. However, unless you can find a reliable source saying that it is the first hailstorm in its history, the claim stands as OR. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:36, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) We can try using the statement used in the reference, though. –Howard the Duck 12:39, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is that the source in question has the statement "Many residents were amazed on what they said was first-time experience". In that form they are actually reporting opinion and conjecture rather than fact. As such, it would have to be stated in that way in ITN, which, to be honest, is not going to look very good. Maybe you'd be better trying to looking at the national meteorological agencie's report and see what they say --Daviessimo (talk) 12:47, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think PAG-ASA has data for those hailstorms are that rare to even consider record keeping. –Howard the Duck 12:52, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support if the "first time in recorded history" claim turns out to be true... otherwise (and it has been said by the nominator - "we have another one"), what is so special about this one if it isn't even the first this week? --candle•wicke 14:17, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Because this is ITN not Cyclones ITN. There has to be a main page balance and as I've already stated 3 big storms in 3 days suggests not all of these items can go up --Daviessimo (talk) 16:41, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
How can they realistically be posted if they're happening every day? There aren't even enough people to post or comment on nominations as it is and then everyone would want each and every bomb in Iraq posted as well. And, if there are three, it is similar to all those football nominations which came a while ago where they all made each other appear less significant. --candle•wicke 16:45, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So multiple nominations mean none will be approved? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but alright. –Juliancolton | Talk 17:24, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Iraq and Afghanistan would be posted every day if that were the case. And Iran, Air France Flight 447 and swine flu would never have left either. Which, considering that's five, where would everything else go? --candle•wicke 17:33, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Don't forget Pakistan and Somalia. That makes seven... --BorgQueen (talk) 17:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
we usually dont even have 7 items on ITN. so the ongoing ones will push themselves off. forget the new and different things. Ashishg55 (talk) 17:48, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

June 23

June 23, 2009 (2009-06-23) (Tuesday)

ITN candidates for June 23

Hurricane Andres
Hurricane Andres (2009)

Tropical Storm Andres intensifies into a hurricane off the southern coast of Mexico; rough seas from the storm kill one person. –Juliancolton | Talk 22:06, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I give in. Support.  Cargoking  talk  22:20, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'd like to see a tad more expansion in Hurricane_Andres_(2009)#Impact. Thanks, SpencerT♦Nominate! 22:54, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Is this more significant than the earthquake below? --candle•wicke 23:39, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing has resulted from the earthquake thus far other than a tsunami warning that did not play out. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 23:53, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But what has resulted from the hurricane? --candle•wicke 00:06, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Significant rainfall, waist-deep flooding, at least one fatality and damage to buildings. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:07, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
← The impact section has since been expanded. –Juliancolton | Talk 00:14, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Its only a cat 1 hurricane... we had stronger winds in toronto a few weeks back. i oppose all hurricanes that are atleast not cat 3 (or atleast something special about them). otherwise we will be posting storms all season. Ashishg55 (talk) 02:57, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. One fatality is not bad enough. You might want to nominate this for DYK. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:04, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have to agree. I find the opposes and supports a bit strange today - they don't seem to add up and none appear any more significant than the other. --candle•wicke 03:12, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The storm caused severe flooding, triggered large mudslides, generated high waves, and brought down dozens of trees. I'm honestly not sure how the number of deaths is relevant here. –Juliancolton | Talk 04:12, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I thought all hurricanes (and their equivalents elsewhere such as typhoons and super typhoons) are a sure bet for inclusion (this should be at WP:ITN/R). Weaker storms such as tropical depressions, tropical storms and severe tropical storms need to have something else special to be included. –Howard the Duck 05:06, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well a similar item was nominated yesterday and I made the point that when you look at 2008 North Indian Ocean cyclone season, 2008 Pacific typhoon season or 2008 Atlantic hurricane season, there are a lot of storms that cause far more damage and death. These are arguably the three biggest storm areas and there maximum activity levels coincide over the summer months. If we're not careful every other item will be storm related. The nominator yesterday suggested that if one storm is up we replace it if another occurs soon after, but I feel we still need to raise the bar on what is notable. --Daviessimo (talk) 07:12, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Where do we draw the line for "sure inclusion" then? Gustiness? Major hurricanes and their equivalents? When it hits a populated area? –Howard the Duck 09:53, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know but you've nominated another one today and we can't post a new storm every day. ITN isn't an ongoing weather report. --candle•wicke 14:21, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Papua New Guinea earthquake

A 7.0 Mw earthquake. TouLouse (talk) 14:44, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Too short. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:48, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Romanian Mummy again

A man who had died 28 years ago, was discovered perfectly conserved in Văcăreşti, Dâmboviţa County, Romania TouLouse (talk) 14:30, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Video #1
Video #2
YouTube can't be a source for ITN!  Cargoking  talk  14:32, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


2009 Hermosillo daycare center fire

2009 Hermosillo daycare center fire investigation results reveal cause of fire which took the lives of 47 infants and toddlers, and injured up to 95 other children, charges of negligence laid, heads roll.NY times The Australian The Star AOL CBS News MSNBCSriMesh | talk 04:04, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Are you being serious? The fire occurred on June 5. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:07, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think the headline proposed here is intended to concentrate on the results of the investigation rather then the fire, but I agree the results aren't really that significant, the fire was Nil Einne (talk) 11:29, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It was the investigation I was trying to focus on, as seven were charged another seven to be charged of the neighboring warehouse, and the daycare owners are now to be charged, and many lost their jobs as a result of negligence, the the investigation results are just now published. I didn't know if follow up stories are done here on ITN.SriMesh | talk 14:13, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Many investigations take place. But if we were to post an investigation to every single fatal event, ITN would be a bit of a farce. Sorry SriMesh, but I for one strongly oppose.  Cargoking  talk  14:25, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Incidentally, I noticed when looking for something else that we did have the daycare centre fire Nil Einne (talk) 11:12, 27 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Air France

These are only reports, but Sky News is normally accurate, although it looks like Le Monde "broke" the story. No point posting anything too soon. If confirmed, I'll post it here. (Sky News), (The Irish Times), (Reuters), (Guardian), (AP), (Times Online) and (CBS).  Cargoking  talk  09:02, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, forgot to say what the story is! Black box reportedly found.  Cargoking  talk  09:04, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, yes, if the black box is located & recovered, and the article is substantially updated accordingly, I will support a re-post. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:08, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
At least I tried: [5].  Cargoking  talk  10:18, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid I don't understand why the black box is any more relevant to ITN than the Mexican fire investigation... can someone explain? --candle•wicke 17:10, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I was a bit goofy putting that in. It might be a subject of public interest though. Lots of people are following the story of a plane that disappeared over the Atlantic Ocean. Will Air France Flight 447 return to ITN? I don't think so.  Cargoking  talk  17:23, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
actually i will support when they retrieve the box successfully and at least confirm that they can get data out of it. people have been waiting to find out about the box. This story will definitely be for global interest category rather than importance. Ashishg55 (talk) 17:41, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

June 22

June 22, 2009 (2009-06-22) (Monday)

ITN candidates for June 22

2009 ICC World Twenty20

It needs a mention now. More report can be oun here [6] , [7] , [8] , and [9]. It a sure mention now It's a world cup so need mention for both events. For it's England and for Men it's Pakistan.

"The Pakistan Cricket Team wins the 2009 ICC World Twenty20 world cup after a hard match against Sri Lanka at Lord's Cricket Ground in London, England. (Cricinfo)

The update is too short at the moment. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:38, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Expansion underway.Need helpyousaf465' 06:10, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


2009 U.S. Open Golf Championship
Lucas Glover wins the 2009 U.S. Open Golf Championship. (Held over from Sunday due to weather.) -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:48, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This is in no state to go on the Main Page. The final round relies on one citation as do many of the other rounds (second, third, etc). The BBC also seems to be the only source (although they are all different articles) used for all these sketchy citations which provide much of the updated prose required. --candle•wicke 01:15, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Citations aren't too difficult to get though. Put them in, and then it is good to go. OK. I've added more refs now. SpencerT♦Nominate! 03:38, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:10, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Iran protests continue

As long at Iran remains the lead story in much of the world's media, shouldn't we have one Iran entry on ITN? Something like "Mass protests continue in Iran against the purported results of the recent presidential election. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:58, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be a good idea to keep ongoing news stories at the bottom perhaps? Jolly Ω Janner 23:59, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I suggested that over on the talk page but it's like talking to the wall over here... --candle•wicke 00:11, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Washington Metro train collision

A derailment and collision occurs between two trains on the Red Line of the Washington Metrorail, killing four and injuring 55.

Casualties are likely to increase, as entrapment is involved. The situation is evolving. Noteworthy as a public transit disaster in a major capitol city. --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 22:22, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Tentative Support. Pretty nasty-looking situation, and many Wikipedia users would be familiar with the Washington Metro. We'll take some flak, though, if the death toll stays at two and this goes up on the Main Page. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:50, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support This is definitely noteworthy and more details are likely to be released later on. --98.154.26.247 (talk) 23:25, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Death toll up to four, total casualties range between 55 and 70. --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 23:31, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The article is currently on AfD. --BorgQueen (talk) 23:43, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
AfD closed. Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 23:52, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support since this seems a fairly major accident and train collission are fairly rare events particularly in the developed world with modern trains. If this was a bus or other traffic accident that would be a different case but it's note Nil Einne (talk) 11:15, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


New Speaker of the British House of Commons

Conservative MP John Bercow is elected the new Speaker of the British House of Commons becoming the first Jewish holder the office.

I think this has importance beyond the UK. --Philip Stevens (talk) 20:17, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support, minus the note on his Jewish religion. The fact that he's Jewish isn't very notable. Jolly Ω Janner 21:03, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Jewish people are sometimes notable, aren't they? Anyway OK... --candle•wicke 21:20, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose what significance is this outside of the UK? Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:23, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Third on CNN's "Top stories" behind the current incident in Iran and a bomb in Iraq. The latter of which doesn't have an article on Wikipedia. Jolly Ω Janner 22:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- It's the lead story on the major British broadsheet websites, and with all the UK users the English Wikipedia has I think really major news from the UK should go up if it meets all of the other criteria. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:50, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support, minus the irrelevant Jewish comment. Algebraist 22:53, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The UK media isn't playing up his religion, so I see no reason to mention it. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:59, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 23:49, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The significance of items posted on ITN these days is poor. What is the international significance of this story? Is this story of even medium level of importance in the countries history? Such appointments are very common across other countries. Forget Asia, even if we start putting such news items for all European nations, ITN would be like notice board of appointments. I see two ITN items which are not international in nature nor of the state's head or anything. Looks like tomorrow we might see an appointment of some city's mayor on WP front page. --GPPande 19:53, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest I think you need to do more research into what exactly being the house of commons speaker entails. Generally speaking they can be regarded as the third most powerful person in the country after the Queen and PM, so the comparison to City Mayors is silly. Also because internationally significant items were so infrequent the ruling was changed to include items of international interest. If a story is being reported across the globe then it is a perfectly viable candidate to go up on ITN as long as its meets other criteria (i.e. encyclopaedic value, referenced update etc), even if it doesn't have international repecussions --Daviessimo (talk) 20:12, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A quick search in this instance reveals Chinese, Indian, US and French interest. If I where to continue I'm sure the list would get bigger --Daviessimo (talk) 20:20, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The fact is, the vast majority of ITN entries are not international. What's the international interest in an election in Surinam? Very little. I think the key is that ITN should be international on the whole, with items from around the world. Each item should be either very important or of interest to a great many Wikipedia users. The UK has the second-most English Wikipedia contributors behind the US, and this was a very major story in the UK. Instead of complaining, why not suggest a story from your country when something particularly noteworthy happens there? -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:57, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it's accurate to say there's no international interest in elections in Surinam (whatever that is) or Suriname. Elections affect the government and the people leading a country. They therefore affect participation in international bodies, diplomatic relations, peace efforts and wars, et al. It is therefore quite common that diplomatic missions or ambassadors would comment (e.g. congratulate the winners) of an election, that new leaders or old leaders attending something will be spoken to e.g. congratulated by other world leaders after the elections. Ambassadors, diplomats, foreign relations ministers and even world leaders (and their advisers) would usually keep themselves informed of election results even of small countries like Suriname. It's their job. On the other hand, they're far less likely to bother to keep themselves informed of the arrest of members of the Sicilian mafia or even more so of who wins the US open, unless they have a personal interest. If the new leader of Suriname is slightly deranged or whatever and invade Guyana, that'll be a problem that leaders and world bodies will likely have to deal with. On the other hand, if Lucas Glover annouces he thinks it'll be a good idea to invade Guyana and kill their people with golf clubs, this will be of far lesser concern. If the leader of Suriname annouces he wants to develop nuclear, biological or chemical weapons, that'll be of great international concern. If Lucas Glover does it, perhaps he'll be arrested and get some insane celebrity headlines, but that's about it. The view that elections aren't of international interest IMHO is therefore more one reflecting a rather limited world view rather then reality and ignores the fact that who controls a country is of great significance and interest. P.S. Let's also remember that in reality, we don't really know how many wikipedia users there are from each country. All we know is wikipedia editors, and that was 3 years old. While it seem resonable to suspect that a fair number are from the UK, we shouldn't overemphasise what we actually know about wikipedia readers. Nil Einne (talk) 07:55, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Tropical Storm Linfa (2009)

Tropical Storm Linfa makes landfall in Fujian Province, China; heavy rains produced by the storm caused severe flooding that left five people missing and destroyed 100 homes. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 16:31, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The first of the season was listed only recently and given there frequency over the summer months I think we have start being more restrictive in terms of notability. Normally this is based on deaths or displacement. If this is only 5 missing and 100 homes destroyed I don't think it's big enough as of yet. --Daviessimo (talk) 16:42, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't planning on putting each one that forms up for ITN. I wasn't sure how to word this one but there was a fatality and 6 more people missing in Taiwan, so if someone could make a new line it would be much appreciated. If it's at all useful damages are estimated at $49.4 million USD Cyclonebiskit (talk) 16:45, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But to be honest even one death and five missing is not really that big. If you look at the items in 2008 North Indian Ocean cyclone season,2008 Pacific typhoon season or 2008 Atlantic hurricane season there are a lot of cyclones/hurricanes that kill far more so its just not feasible to list every one that kills, because every other item over the summer would be weather related --Daviessimo (talk) 16:57, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I knew that would pop up so I did think of a plan to avoid ITN becoming swamped with TCs. When a new TC is approved for ITN while one is currently up, the one that is currently up gets replaced by the newer one so there are never two at the same time. Another idea, a long shot though, would be to create a cyclone news section on the main page. It would note the newest impact information from current storms. But, I'd rather not follow through with the latter. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:03, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It seems to me that won't necessarily solve the problem, it's still going to mean we will have a perpetual TC news item on ITN which is likely to result in complaints, particular if the only thing one TC is notable for is pounding country X and causing $50k of damage with no lost lives. Also if one TC hits country Y and kills 100k people and causes billions of damage then tomorrow another hits country Z and kills 100k people and causes billions of damage, it makes little sense to not have both of these on ITN. This is an extreme case and you may say IAR, but what about lesser cases? When do we decide to draw the line? Nil Einne (talk) 08:04, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I see no reason why this shouldnt go up Jason Rees (talk) 18:48, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Ingushetia

Yunus-bek Yevkurov, President of Ingushetia in the hospital after an assassination attempt. Three of his bodyguards dead. Lingering part of the North Caucasus Insurgency 2009 and the Second Chechen War. [10] Therequiembellishere (talk) 06:19, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The update is too short at the moment. Can you expand it just a bit? --BorgQueen (talk) 06:21, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, everything already included is all I know. Therequiembellishere (talk) 06:54, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Someone has expanded it. Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:30, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ingushetia is not even an independent country. It is sub-division of a country. How come this story became so important? --GPPande 15:08, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If this will be kept, it should be "President of the Russian <whatever the local subdivision name> of Ingushetia. –Howard the Duck 15:11, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I thought it was some sort of country that I somehow had never heard of. Teemu08 (talk) 15:38, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's important because along with Chechnya and Ossetia, this is a hugely fragile region of the Caucasus, which is in itself a pretty war ravaged region. An attemption assasination of a high ranking political figure is pretty significant in the broader socio-political context --Daviessimo (talk) 16:15, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I see no reason this should be on the Main Page. --MZMcBride (talk) 17:12, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Because you just don't like it? --BorgQueen (talk) 17:16, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I see a reason this can be on the Main Page. I don't think it is up to anyone to say this or that isn't a country even if their own country thinks in such a way. Who can decide what a country is and isn't or what is the standard for deciding this? --candle•wicke 17:28, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
hmm i did not even know there is a page for "i just dont like it" lol. either way an assassination attempt on any high ranking political figure seems important enough to me. But since it isnt an actual country i guess mentioning Federal subjects of Russia will make it more clear for ppl. Ashishg55 (talk) 17:43, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Saying he is the President of the Russian Republic of Ingushetia is probably the best bet --Daviessimo (talk) 17:53, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So fixed. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:56, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Rwanda Genocide

What about this. People are surely not convicted of genocide all that often --Daviessimo (talk) 13:05, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Someone has to update Callixte Kalimanzira. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:11, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Congress of France in Versailles

For the first time in 136 years, the Congress of France convenes in Palace of Versailles to listen to an address by the President of France, Nicolas Sarkozy. Suggested to illustrate a quite obscure body of the French parliament, the Congress. Hektor (talk) 14:04, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"The last presidential speech to France's parliament was in 1873, before lawmakers banned the practice to protect the separation of powers and keep the president in check." Good enough, support (provided the article is properly updated). --BorgQueen (talk) 14:06, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Having just looked at the Congress of France article, I would say that it will take a lot of work. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:09, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
True. --candle•wicke 01:16, 23 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

June 21

June 21, 2009 (2009-06-21) (Sunday)

ITN candidates for June 21

Salvatore Miceli

Salvatore Miceli, a member of the Sicilian Mafia and one of the most wanted men in Italy, is arrested in Caracas, Venezuela. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:47, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support - the arrests of 'Most Wanted' criminals are normally put up. Does the article need updating? --Daviessimo (talk) 12:53, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the update is too short at the moment... Interested in working on it? --BorgQueen (talk) 12:56, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'll have a look for some sources --Daviessimo (talk) 13:09, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've updated the article. One of the sources (Xinhua) states that Interpol had him as their fifth most wanted man in Europe but on the Interpol website I couldn't find an ordered listing (they just order them alphabetically and split by crime). Not sure if "5th most wanted man in Europe" should be put in the blurb without viewing an official list from Interpol, although Xinhua are a massive news agency and I'm sure a pretty reliable source --Daviessimo (talk) 14:07, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:19, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Manioc

"First direct evidence". Seems appropriate for an encyclopedia... --candle•wicke 22:40, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Nomination from yesterday

Just in case anyone develops any interest today. :) --candle•wicke 22:28, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hunger One billion people throughout the world suffer from hunger... this doesn't seem very surprising but apparently it is big news in the UK, Germany, Australia, Malaysia and South Africa. --candle•wicke 02:58, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I presume this can only lead to malnutrition... --candle•wicke 03:01, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Also - Henry Allingham

Iranian Protests

This is my first entry on this page after a long wiki-break. Just wanted to check if ITN has covered Iranian protests? Most significant protest event in Iran after 1979 revolution. --GPPande 18:51, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it has. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:11, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Haitian Senate election, 2009

I dont recall seeing any Haiti-related ITN... --BorgQueen (talk) 08:37, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Gambian journalists arrested

This has just come to my attention - it seems it has been going on throughout the week. The last link involves a leader of the opposition. [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] --candle•wicke 08:20, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Klitschko v. Chagaev
Dunno about this since it seems no one cares about heavyweight matches anymore... –Howard the Duck 05:29, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'd rather wait for Mayweather-Marquez if that pushes through, and ultimately the winner of that bout vs. the winner of Pacquiao vs. whomever he faces. –Howard the Duck 05:29, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Somalia declares a state of emergency
Yes. Emergencies are big. What will I do? --candle•wicke 02:27, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose the most relevant article is War in Somalia (2009–). --BorgQueen (talk) 02:34, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
How is this different from the state Somalia has been in for the past 20 years? -- Mwalcoff (talk) 02:49, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"They also killed an MP in northern Mogadishu on Friday". --candle•wicke 04:19, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Is this a lead story anywhere? I've checked the AP, BBC, CNN, NY Times and Reuters and the only one with a story on Somalia above the fold is the BBC, and that deals with Ethiopia refusing Somalia's request for help. We really should be following the lead of major news organizations rather than picking our own stories out of the back pages based on our own POV of what's important, IMO. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 04:26, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I see. And yet, you nominate a boxing match? --BorgQueen (talk) 04:40, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it's on the front page of the BBC, Yahoo Sports, ESPN, Sports Illustrated, CBC Sports, etc. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 04:52, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
On the front page of sports news outlets? Then we should take items from the front page of Africa-only news services too, right? --BorgQueen (talk) 04:58, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Surely if you want to be looking at top story on news sites you should be choosing a more diverse selection not 3 basically American sites, 1 British and one Canadian. What about Al Jazeera English, South African English news sites, Indian English news sites, Chinese English news sites (Xinhua?), Russian English news sites and perhaps one more generic Asian one and more generic African one (if one exists) and one more generic European one (ditto)? Particularly since there tends to be quite a strong difference in sporting events of interest to North Americans and to most of the rest of the world and you only have one non North American. P.S. I'm presuming of course you looked at www.yahoo.com rather then say in.yahoo.com (which currently has 9/all stories about cricket) and espn.go.com rather then www.espnstar.com which currently has 4 stories about football (the real kind) Nil Einne (talk) 13:02, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It is not front page news of BBC Sport or CNN, which list amongst other things, the British GP, the Lions tour, Wimbledon (and Nadal withdrawing), the US open and the Confederations Cup are all ahead of it --Daviessimo (talk) 07:44, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
However it is front page news in South Africa. Amongst other stories about Ethiopia, Madagascar and Zimbabwe. Like you said we shouldn't "picking our own stories out of the back pages based on our own POV" - this is clearly not the back pages so it's fine. :) --candle•wicke 07:48, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. -SusanLesch (talk) 08:00, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Wait no, this is confusing :s. My point was that Mwalcoff contradicted himself because he opposed this on the grounds that it is not front page news, yet nomed the boxing when clearly it is not 'top' of the back page news. On both BBC and CNN there are five sports stories above the boxing. I've no opposition to the Somalia story --Daviessimo (talk) 08:18, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for all the supports but someone still has to update the War in Somalia (2009–) article. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:20, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The boxing match was one of the top sports stories at all of the sites mentioned when I made my comment. The Somalia story was buried or non-existent everywhere except at the BBC, which actually had a different Somalia story. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 17:16, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Article updated (last night this was about #4 for Google World News and had about 1,400 articles). "State of emergency" added. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:59, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:22, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Greenland
Perhaps a flag

Greenland becomes a country. -SusanLesch (talk) 03:54, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support. --candle•wicke 15:32, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Changed to say "a country" instead of "an independent country" because of possible ties to Denmark. Anybody know which is more accurate? -SusanLesch (talk) 16:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Greenland already is a country, so saying it will become one is incorrect. Also my understanding of it is that Greenland will become fully independent country within the Danish kingdom, but remain tied to Denmark through foreign policy and the military. As such it would also be incorrect to claim they are truly independent as well. So basically that's not really helped, has it. I think (but don't hold me to this) that it will adopt a similar link to that which Hong Kong and Macau have with China, in which case it may be better waiting until the day, when I'm sure the Danish Gov will come up with a fancy name for their new relationship --Daviessimo (talk) 16:34, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Greenland becomes a self-ruling country.

Thanks. There's a rewrite and some sources (Canada.com, sikunews, AFP, London Times) -SusanLesch (talk) 16:48, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Unless it declares independence or is admitted to the UN, this does not seem newsworthy enough. It still is not a country; it was just given more self-rule than it had.--Metallurgist (talk) 20:58, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I agree with this. When it showed up in the headlines a few months ago it seemed like a big deal. -SusanLesch (talk) 05:13, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The article is updated, the National Day ceremony marks Kalaallisut as the official language, and Greenland is internationally recognized as self autonomous in its own judicial affairs, policing, and governance of its own natural resources. Queen Margrethe II of Denmark remains the Head of State holding the reigns of finances, defence and foreign relations.SriMesh | talk 04:48, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, it is notable enough and I don't think we will get any serious complaints on either WP:ERRORS or Talk:Main Page. Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:55, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


2009 ICC World Twenty20
Indeed, but if there is desperation for equality in this case there is a parallel womens tournement running and I suppose the winner of that could be put up as well --Daviessimo (talk) 20:17, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes, makes sense now. :-) --candle•wicke 22:50, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The item is actually listed on WP:ITNR so if updated it can go up. Just out of interest, in this instance I've left a note on the talk page of the article stating that a prose updated is required for inclusion on ITN. If this works, such that an update is forthcoming, it may be an idea to do this in future for other reccuring sport items in order to a)improve how fast an item goes up, and b)makes sure the article is of a good quality and doesn't need removing --Daviessimo (talk) 10:37, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It should be mentioned on mainpage now.
I know. But what can be done? I will leave an alert of some sort in the edit summary of this comment and maybe somebody will take pity. They might even make some comment on the other nominations when they arrive as well. Pigs might fly as well. Or would that be too much? --candle•wicke 03:07, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
We are waiting for it.
Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:31, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Unless I'm terribly mistaken, the only prose concerning the final was the clause "The final took place at Lord's on Sunday 21 June with Pakistan beating Sri Lanka by 8 wickets" which is hardly a significant addition since it only repeated the final score. –Howard the Duck 05:17, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any reason why the men were included and the women left out? Surely they could be combined into the one news item? -- Mattinbgn\talk 05:57, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The women's tournament is not that followed nor it is at WP:ITN/R. Dunno if it has sufficient enough updates either. –Howard the Duck 06:03, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I would have thought that it would be in a similar position to a tennis grand slam where the mens and womens tournaments are run concurrently. -- Mattinbgn\talk 07:41, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The thing is probably some random guy on the street probably knows one or two female tennis players. I dunno if the women's tournament is even that well known to begin with.
If we'd be having women's sport on ITN, the most notable ones are all tennis grand slam events, probably 1 or more major golf championship/s, the FIFA Women's World Cup, the FIBA World Championship for Women and events where women athletes made a breakthrough like Danica Patrick winning one of the IndyCar races last year. This doesn't include sporting events that women are allowed to compete side-by-side with men in the same tournament like the golf championships, F1, chess and probably bowling. –Howard the Duck 08:55, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But surely if we are being 'neutral' we should really be putting both up when the tournament in question has two parallel events for men and women at the same time. If we can do it for sports like tennis, then it seems biased that in other sports we don't do it --Daviessimo (talk) 13:02, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't F1 have tons of "parallel" (not really parallel in the sense that the events are co-equal, but in this regard I won't even say any women's team events are 'co-equal' with their male counterparts) events before the actual GP race? GP2 comes into mind. We don't add those. –Howard the Duck 14:46, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There not really comparable though, because Formula 1 and GP2 are names that refer to the rules, which are in each case different. As far as I'm aware womens and mens cricket as governed by the ICC use the same rules. The only issue here is gender and really in the 21st century that should be the case. Per WP:V it is not are place to say that one is more important than the other. Yes there may be larger viewing figures for the mens tournament and it may be more lucrative for the players, but in every other way they are equal because they represent the top level of the twenty20. --Daviessimo (talk) 16:22, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
yes you are right woman are playing tennis for a long time that is why they are mentioned.
Still waiting isn't it too slow.


2009 U.S. Open Golf Championship

Listed at WP:ITN/R. –Howard the Duck 09:25, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Support, but make sure the article has the necessary updates. SpencerT♦Nominate! 12:20, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Updates won't be that hard to find since the editors there have round-by-round updates. BTW, the final round will be on Monday since all of the rain that should've been at Wimbledon went to New York. (LOL) –Howard the Duck 12:50, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

June 20

June 20, 2009 (2009-06-20) (Saturday)

ITN candidates for June 20

Iraq attack
Hmm, yes, I would say 64 is a fairly large number even for Iraq. Would you like to create an article? --BorgQueen (talk) 02:53, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
At least 67 people are killed and over 200 more are injured near Kirkuk in the worst single Iraq attack since March 2008. --candle•wicke 09:23, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:33, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Romanian Mummy
English source, please. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:42, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I can't even access this one right now... --candle•wicke 19:15, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm so sorry I didn't found any english source yet. TouLouse (talk) 19:31, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps it has not been published in English yet. I will keep watch for it as I search for other topics. --candle•wicke 22:06, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Greece's Acropolis Museum
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I'm nominating this because the paper says this is happening on Saturday. It also says it is a big deal. They've been building it for about eight years. The controversys about it are: Greece has been trying to get artifacts for it from the British museum, and the British won't give them. Also, many greeks don't like the look of the museum in their neighborhood. The article on this will probably be updated by those who wrote the article. This encyclopedic becasue it's a museum in Athens. It opening is definitely a long anticipated happening. It was supposed to open when the olympics were in Athens, but it took longer to build. --Chuck Marean 06:13, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Leaning towards support. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:18, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Seems notable enough, according to a BBC article. Any support? --BorgQueen (talk) 13:16, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I'll support. This is not just any old museum, after all, and the Elgin Marbles dispute is notable enough to have a pretty good article written about it. Physchim62 (talk) 13:41, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, according to our article the inauguration ceremony starts from 3 PM GMT, so we will have to wait just a bit. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:48, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:30, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Hunger

One billion people throughout the world suffer from hunger... this doesn't seem very surprising but apparently it is big news in the UK, Germany, Australia, Malaysia and South Africa. --candle•wicke 02:58, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I presume this can only lead to malnutrition... --candle•wicke 03:01, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


First Tropical Cyclone in the Eastern Pacific hits land

The first tropical cyclone of the 2009 Pacific hurricane season causes significant flooding in Sinaloa, Mexico. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 05:50, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No casualties yet? --BorgQueen (talk) 08:20, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And I thought "firsts" were exempted from this "rule." –Howard the Duck 09:28, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
First ever, yes. But the first of this season? --BorgQueen (talk) 09:30, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Good luck on researching for the first ever tropical cyclone. –Howard the Duck 09:36, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, yes, it could be interesting to research for... But that is irrelevant for ITN. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:43, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The storm is a weakling though. I'd prefer the first named storm. –Howard the Duck 09:49, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's the first known tropical cyclone to impact Sinaloa during June since reliable records began, I'm fairly sure that's notable enough. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 10:31, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Are you sure that the particular fact is in the Tropical Depression One-E (2009) article? I can't find it. --BorgQueen (talk) 10:39, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, sorry, I forgot to add that into the article. I'll put it in now Cyclonebiskit (talk) 10:54, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've added the information into the article. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 11:00, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Suggestion: Tropical Depression One-E, the first known tropical cyclone to impact the Mexican state of Sinaloa during the month of June, causes flooding in the region. How is it? --BorgQueen (talk) 11:04, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds good to me. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 11:24, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:29, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

June 19

June 19, 2009 (2009-06-19) (Friday)

ITN candidates for June 19

U.S. federal judge impeached


Henry Allingham

I see our old friend is back in the news... :) I suppose this record is broken often though... --candle•wicke 18:45, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

June 2007 it would seem actually... --candle•wicke 18:46, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I really dunno - the record seems like it's broken rather often to be put up (Same with women's as well). SpencerT♦Nominate! 12:25, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Basque terrorist attack
I've not heard much about it today so it doesn't seem to have any long-term consequences yet. Perhaps if it had killed five or ten but one is not very much. It's a bit like that pilot who died... --candle•wicke 00:18, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


F1 Breakaway
I wonder, is this decision final? I'd prefer to wait for further development. --Tone 08:28, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well the FIA had set a deadline of the 19th June for teams to submit unconditional entry forms for next season or face being dropped. The eight teams in question have refused to do so and instead stated that they will leave. I agree it is better to wait until more information comes out but if and when a final decision is taken I wanted to know what people thought on the story --Daviessimo (talk) 08:31, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A think a major change in the organization of a popular (and commercially lucrative) sporting event is OK for ITN, when we're sure what's happening. Physchim62 (talk) 09:30, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a fan of Formula 1, but I'm not convinced this should go up. Break away threats have happened before although this is the furthest one has reached that I'm aware of [21]. And it's quite clear both sides still prefer a compromise albeit from opposite ends of the scale. There are still a lot of hurdles to go thorough before the break away is close to a reality. [22] [23] Nil Einne (talk) 15:51, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
This split seems unlikely or at least uncertain right now. --candle•wicke 22:12, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Ali Khamenei speech

Wooot another potential blurb involving a speech. –Howard the Duck 10:05, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ayatollah Khamenei announces Mahmoud Ahmadinejad won the Iranian presidential election by 11 million votes. (NY Times)

--Chuck Marean 16:18, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

June 18

June 18, 2009 (2009-06-18) (Thursday)

ITN candidates for June 18

Algeria

A request I received earlier from Roaring Siren who has since gone offline it would seem. 2009 Algerian military ambush --candle•wicke 03:11, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose I can say support since I only did a bit of tidying... --candle•wicke 03:12, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Can't we add this? or anything else? I wanna see the Lakers off the ITN already. Boo Lakers (LOL). –Howard the Duck 07:29, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The article is quite short at the moment. Could it be expanded a bit? --BorgQueen (talk) 15:39, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Expanded a bit. The death toll appears to be 24 now. 24 soldiers are ambushed and killed in Bordj Bou Arréridj, Algeria, in the deadliest attack aimed against the government this year. --candle•wicke 17:16, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:27, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Canada's fastest supercomputer goes online

The most powerful supercomputer outside of America, is the largest Intel processor based IBM installation globally and the twelfth ranking computer internationally went online. The supercomputer operates on 3,240 intel 5500 series 2.53 GHz processor cores arranged in 45 file-like stacks and will examine particle collisions from the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) in CERN, Geneva which will produce cataclysmic conditions that will mimic the beginning of time and other highly calculation-intensive tasks.ReutersPR newswire University of Toronto and 'SciNet Consortium articles both updated. (Tried to find sources outside of Canada to see if it had any global interest, as there are tons of Canadian news sources)SriMesh | talk 00:48, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Twelfth ranking globally? Most powerful in Canada, according to Reuters so that would presumably produce a lot of Canadian sources. The trouble is that if this was in the US it would probably be refused as it would not be the biggest in the world so if I supported Canada that would be something of a double standard... --candle•wicke 01:05, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Also, the update in the two articles mentioned is two sentences and one sentence respectively. That might lead to somebody opposing so you probably ought to expand SciNet Consortium by about three more sentences. --candle•wicke 01:11, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Will expand the article, but will work on LRO first. This supercomputer has impressive write ups and credentials, but I see what you are saying about the US competition. The same is happening now on the supercomputer talk page, as it may or may not be fast enough for that article. SriMesh | talk 01:24, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Successful NASA mission to the moon
Is it updated? --candle•wicke 22:29, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The Lunar Precursor Robotic Program lift off of the Atlas V rocket carried two space probes, Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) and the Lunar CRater Observation and Sensing Satellite (LCROSS) was successful at 5:32 p.m. EDT (2132 GMT).
Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 02:18, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Support. There is probably a free picture of the launch at the NASA site. Based on what the TV said, I would word it: NASA begins unmanned lunar mission to prospect for water that could be used by explorers.--Chuck Marean 02:12, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Since when could the TV talk?  Cargoking  talk  14:23, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Their President's archenemy is a fly (and yet they amuse themselves by kicking dead pigs around?). Perhaps we aren't giving them enough credit if they've stretched their imaginations to invent a television capable of engaging in intelligent conversation... who knows? They may become a powerful nation some day... --candle•wicke 15:37, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Financial regulatory overhaul debate
Oppose: not a significant news event. (Chuck: Please. Stop.). --ZimZalaBim talk 20:33, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Don't be so quick to knock Chuck. This is the No. 1 story on the AP wire right now. The proposed overhaul of the financial regulatory structure in the US is a hugely significant event. What you can say is that ITN generally waits until something happens -- like Congress actually passing legislation -- rather than tracking events over a long period. But the nomination is not out of line. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:47, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. Nominations are needed. Things seem to have slowed down a bit recently... --candle•wicke 22:05, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Even were the story a viable candidate, it wouldn't be posted in the absence of an updated article to which to link, and nominating it in this form is essentially useless. If not something to be knocked, surely something to be discouraged. 76.230.248.84 (talk) 01:26, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The link is Obama's plan, an article I started and updated. Maybe there's a better article somewhere, but I don't know what it is. I suppose the Atlas rocket launch to the moon is more obviously an event one on C-span. --Chuck Marean 02:04, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like Obama's plan is heading for the dustbin... --candle•wicke 03:07, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Continental Flight 61
It's a very slow day when this is being considered. To be honest aside from the deletion issue this was a very minor incident anyway. For a plane related incident to go up it either needs multiple deaths (i.e. Amsterdam Crash, Madrid crash) or for something remarkable to happen (Hudson Crash, Air France disappearance) --Daviessimo (talk) 19:28, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand why this would be posted either but then if the Hudson crash was... they both appear very similar right down to the same part of the world and all the passengers being saved. The only difference is that the pilot actually died here. --candle•wicke 20:57, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"Captain dies while flying plane. Everyone safe." More human interest. This sort of thing, although unusual, is doesn't exactly need 24-hour blanket coverage. Oppose. More Wikinews type.  Cargoking  talk  21:21, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
(un-indent) I actually seem to remember there being some opposition to the Hudson crash going on ITN because there were no deaths. My feeling would be that a mistake may have been made then and its best not to repeat it. As Cargoking points out this is really a human interest story and thus not really ITN material --Daviessimo (talk) 21:29, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I'm not going to push this nomination, but I disagree with the assertion that anything that's "human interest" should be dismissed. You can call almost all plane crashes "human interest stories" because they rarely have impacts on the broader world. I don't see why ITN should be off-limits to "human interest" stories that draw great interest from mainstream news sources, like the Fritzl case and O.J. Simpson murder case. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:39, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There's a difference between human interest and Fritzl. Human interest is more light happy stories.  Cargoking  talk  21:45, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Human interest story says, "A human interest story is a feature story that discusses a person or persons in an interactive and/or emotional way." A same-day wire story about an airplane landing with a dead pilot is not a human interest story. A magazine feature about the pilot's life could be considered human interest. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:57, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I don't even know how you can compare those two. Fritzl is a lot more international already in that it happened in Europe and you've actually heard of it. The Simpson article is supported by references from such international publications as USA Today (the source which claims it has been "described as the most publicized criminal trial in history") and one or two from The New York Times, CNN, The LA Times... this line is a bit funny for something that was as big outside America as it was within: "and news organizations nationwide quickly instituted rules prohibiting such manipulation". So no comparison for me whatsoever. --candle•wicke 22:02, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Enter WikiKnittingCorner! Let's just put this story to rest and forget about it. If we want to discuss it, go to the Knitting Corner. This debate on the definition of a word is well... not what we'll be putting on ITN. "Cargoking and Mwalcoff discuss word."  Cargoking  talk  22:15, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't saying the dead pilot was as notable as OJ or Fritzl. I was only saying that if we were to ban all "human interest" stories using what appeared to be Daviessimo's definition of "human interest," we would be establishing a policy that would ban even stories as notable as OJ or Fritzl when they occur. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 22:21, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Indeed. I suppose it's better news than here in Ireland. Our national broadcaster RTÉ has a feature on spice burgers.  Cargoking  talk  22:29, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Bravo! ;) This was going nowhere and you killed it off well with your spice burgers. :) --candle•wicke 00:12, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Comment sorry to resurrect this dead discussion but there's a big difference between this and US Airways Flight 1549. In the US Airways Flight 1549 case, the plane struck disaster while climbing but the pilot and crew did what they were trained to do in such an emergency and were able to save the crew via a water landing and evacuation but it was still a potentially catastrophic disaster averted. Hence "This emergency ditching and evacuation, with the loss of no lives, is a heroic and unique aviation achievement". In this case, the pilot died which while sad for the pilot and his family, the co-pilot should should have been able to land the plane by himself presuming nothing went wrong and as it turns out there was a relief pilot in case one of the pilots got tired so there was in fact two pilots and the plane didn't even need to divert. (I can't remember if I supported the 1549 or not in any case, but they're quite different) Nil Einne (talk) 16:59, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Belfast racist violence
Not the strongest candidate, but it provides an update. Physchim62 (talk) 18:48, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I like this and definitely think it is one to watch but I wonder if it has yet reached the level of 2009 attacks on Indian students in Australia which itself was thought worthy of a deletion nomination? --candle•wicke 19:01, 18 June 2009 (UTC)#[reply]
It has potential to develop, but I think we should maybe wait per WP:CRYSTAL, because if it doesn't then people are going to moan that it is too localised and we'll look like fools. --Daviessimo (talk) 19:24, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I concur. We should wait for now. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:30, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

June 17

June 17, 2009 (2009-06-17) (Wednesday)

ITN candidates for June 17

Space shuttle Endeavour

Space shuttle Endeavour may lift off Wednesday to the space station or else a pair of science spacecraft for the moon as scheduled; Nasa's top officials soon to decide which. (NZ Herald) --Chuck Marean 23:18, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Wednesday launch of mission STS-127 will bump the LRO Atlas V rocket carrying the Lunar CRater Observation and Sensing Satellite (LCROSS) to Thursday June 18.Scientific American Inc. A Discovery News SriMesh | talk 01:29, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, its been cancelled again [24] --Daviessimo (talk) 07:44, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Is it me or are these shuttle launches are so boring, the non-launches seem to be more exciting (LOL). –Howard the Duck 13:37, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


O'bama speech

--Chuck Marean 07:23, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On the same day he had that fight with the fly?! Wow, the man's superhuman! I like the fly story though. Also this will fail because Obama combined with anything gay would have more success around here than financial reform. ;-) Note: I'm just saving someone else the bother of saying this actually. :-) --candle•wicke 18:12, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry. I guess I should have put this in Future events. The story I read made it sound like it was going to be on TV. Instead, it sounds like some sort of private luncheon in which they get copies of documents handed out. I find the subject interesting because deficit spending before Reagan was considered a kind of international currency, I think. I also heard about him swatting the fly. It was on Rush Limbo (or however you spell his last name)--Chuck Marean 18:21, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have never heard of Rush Limbo or however you spell his last name. Is he one of Obama's advisors or whatever you call those people who follow people around? --candle•wicke 18:29, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
He must be talking about Rush Limbaugh, an American radio host. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:32, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You do understand I ment his show.--Chuck Marean 20:42, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Chuck was does that have to do with ITN? In fact I heard it on the News at One. Sean O'Rourke was enjoying himself. So there...  Cargoking  talk  20:50, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The fly or the speech? I must take responsibility for turning it towards the fly... :) surely he wasn't enjoying himself because he heard a speech? --candle•wicke 21:54, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I read about a planned speech. I posted the item last night (before somebody else did). I won’t do that again. This morning the speech wasn’t on TV and from what I read on the White House web site reporters weren’t invited. It was just a social function for financial advisors, department heads, and congressional committee members. The list of who attended sounds like they don’t know how to run the financial industry more than the next guy, so maybe it was a prayer luncheon. --Chuck Marean 00:32, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Huh? --ZimZalaBim talk 06:10, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Eddie Bauer Inc. files for bankruptcy
I don't think this will be posted. But who knows? :) Thanks. --candle•wicke 21:50, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The update is currently too short. SpencerT♦Nominate! 22:10, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: This is not quite of the scope of GM or Chrysler. --ZimZalaBim talk 16:09, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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