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Please do not remove this invisible timestamp. See WT:ERRORS and WP:SUBSCRIBE. - Dank (push to talk) 01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Current DYK

Two things here. The Gitmo playlist isn't actually a playlist, according to the article. Secondly, and more importantly, the hook makes the subject seem quite callous when the article it comes from explains that he found it ludicrous. [1] Secretlondon (talk) 19:20, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article title is currently subject to a move discussion, which does not preclude inclusion on DYK. As for the phrasing... the full quote certainly seems to indicate that he felt the concept of music torture was ludicrous: "It seemed so ludicrous that something totally innocuous for children could threaten the mental state of an adult," he says. "I would rate the annoyance factor to be about equal with hearing my neighbour's leaf blower. It can set my teeth on edge, but it won't break me down and make me confess to crimes against humanity". It downplays that these songs were played on repeat, at high volumes, for captive listeners.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 21:47, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will comment as the original writer of the hook that I was slightly more comfortable with the previous phrasing of the hook that didn't mention torture, but it does seem to be the consensus (Clive Stafford Smith included) that the music was used in torture. I don't think it violates any Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons guidelines, but I am open to changes to the hook. Based5290 :3 (talk) 22:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the OP that the wording is misleading in making the subject seem callous towards torture. This seems like a serious violation of our BLP principles. We could replace "laughed" to "considered it ludicrous". JMCHutchinson (talk) 10:08, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In what sense was Bob Singleton "the creator" of the theme song? According to Barney & Friends the tune was an old, public domain, song This Old Man, and the words were by "homemaker Lee Bernstein for a children's book titled "Piggyback Songs"". DuncanHill (talk) 23:03, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's the problem, we don't know how to describe him. Arranger maybe? He's not the composer if it's an old old tune. The "Piggyback Songs" book was made up of new words to old tunes, so it seems Bernstein brought the old tune and her new words together. Singleton is not mentioned in this report of the law suit. DuncanHill (talk) 00:31, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Replaced with "... that the music producer of Barney & Friends laughed when he found out that its theme song was used in torture at Guantanamo Bay?" — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:54, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. DuncanHill (talk) 01:41, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We've still got the idea that he finds torture funny. Secretlondon (talk) 17:41, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually it's fine. It now says "considered it ludicrous" Secretlondon (talk) 17:41, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • More Gitmo The WP article currently reads:

    Other music allegedly used included songs from AC/DC, Marilyn Manson, Rage Against the Machine, Britney Spears, the Bee Gees, Barney & Friends, and Sesame Street.

    But the hook doesn't convey that Barney was "allegedly" used. Not sure if it's the hook or the article that needs fixing.—Bagumba (talk) 11:28, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fixed. Article no longer uses "allegedly", since there seems to be a pretty good number of sources for all of them. Based5290 :3 (talk) 17:09, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Toilet

  • ... that the FCC canceled a permit to build a Florida TV station, finding that "the most prominent facility complete within the studio building appears to be a toilet"?

The actual quote from the source (which makes it make sense) is "...facility completed within the studio building..."

I verified it's a misquote. Thank you.  Fixed Art LaPella (talk) 05:50, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Next DYK

  • Why "Kingdom of Bicycles" and not "自行车王国", but "məθkʷəy̓" and not "Muthkwey"? Americanist phonetic notation is not written in English or the Latin alphabet, although some parts resemble it, and is unintelligible for probably more people here than Mandarin (or Cantonese or whichever is used). We don't use "Цэцэйхэн" for Checheyigen either, even though that one as well has some recognisable characters. Fram (talk) 11:53, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If this were about the title of the article, I would fully agree with you. However, given that this is a hook in DYK, and furthermore is the "quirky" hook as well, I'd be inclined not to say this is a hill to die on. Put it this way - there have been significantly more egregious liberties taken in the quirky slot over the years, that I'd be consider more worth fighting than this one...  — Amakuru (talk) 15:53, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's the attitude that just makes these issues go on and on and on though... There is nothing "quirky" about a hook being unreadable for most readers, and there seems to be no reason why this is done in this case and not in others (and it is a good thing it isn't done in other cases). Fram (talk) 16:59, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    More generally, the article itself does not meet accessibility standards (MOS:OTHERLANG) and MOS:FORITA. Making the hook and article accessible for all readers, instead of most, seems a rather good hill to die on to me. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:23, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Speaking of italics, {{lang}} doesn't automatically italicize Halkomelem-language text; AFAICT this is because it considers it to be written in a non-Latin script. If that's correct, then we need to transliterate it per MOS:NOTLATIN. Otherwise, it should be manually italicized. jlwoodwa (talk) 18:36, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've unpiped it.--Launchballer 23:02, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I think it should be wrapped in {{transliteration|hur}} now (displaying as muthkwey), per WP:DYKMOS § C10. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:43, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Errors in "On this day"

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Sherman's March to the Sea is POTD, so it should probably be swapped out on OTD (technically it's not the bold article on OTD, but it's still repetitive).:Jay8g [V•T•E] 03:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(November 15, tomorrow)
  • There are three redirects in the blurb
CJ E&M - pipe to CJ ENM Entertainment Division JennyOz (talk) 05:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mnet Asian Music Awards - pipe to MAMA Awards JennyOz (talk) 05:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Big Bang (band) - pipe to BigBang (South Korean band) (nb no space in band name) JennyOz (talk) 05:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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What the 'L

Lemur, Lindow Man, Lincoln cent, Lince, Laurence of Canterbury Laplace–Runge–Lenz vector. Maybe it's just apophenia, but it's an amusing coincidence all the same (especially since, other than Lemur, the TFAs reverse alphabetically): I'm not in screaming "bias" or anything, just thought that maybe someone should pay attention to Raul's requests for more activity on the Requests page - I think he's getting bored. GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 02:45, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In related news, anyone else notice the double Archbishop of Canterbury? I found it wonderfully interesting, lol. ResMar 05:05, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's not apophenia...I noticed the same and thought, even if only half of the letters were as common an initial as "L"....well, do the math. It's a big coincidence or someone is trying to be noticed. Archbishop of Canterbury is less intriguing since choices of featured articles are often related to anniversaries and holidays.--71.232.14.151 (talk) 07:09, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I was wondering whether it was building up to some "first no-'L'" joke. —  Tivedshambo  (t/c) (logged on as Pek) 10:57, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why not have alphabet-themed days? Having all entries on the MP exclude a given letter might be more of a challenge. (What was the e-less book?) Or will alphabetism be added to the list of topics mentioned above? Jackiespeel (talk) 15:58, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Are you thinking of Gadsby (novel)? —  Tivedshambo  (t/c) 19:22, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It was either that or the French novel mentioned - it is easier to remember the 'particular aspect' than the specific example.

Should such Main Page events be discussed on the 92nd/93rd day of the year (depending upon whether it is a leap year)? Jackiespeel (talk) 23:03, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Don't forget the elk, the 2 Lamberts, and ... but hey, where's Lugo? --70.31.11.146 (talk) 02:59, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

He's on the talk page. Buddy431 (talk) 03:55, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Here I am
Plotting his return to the main page. (e • nn • en!) 10:06, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I just noticed that that picture isn't even used in his article any more. Obviously it considers the MP home now, and refuses to be used elsewhere. Modest Genius talk 18:29, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thank God for the German, Japanese, Latin and Portuguese Wikipedias! The traditional Lugo image is File:Fernando Lugo - ITN.jpg which crops up on 8 different archives of this page... - Dumelow (talk) 10:48, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Geejo, you got me. After I had scheduled lemur, lindow man, and lincoln cent, I saw the pattern and decided to run with it. So no, not an accident - more like a small joke to see if anyone was paying attention :) Raul654 (talk) 06:22, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So what would the main page for 'Day X' cover - X-Men, the X-Ray of the 'hand with a ring', Xerxes, Xenophon and what/who else?

Front-page by letter or absence thereof is an addition to the 'Wikipedia Xmas Games.' Jackiespeel (talk) 17:02, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Recent deaths

Clicking on the "recent deaths" link on the main page goes to Deaths in 2010. Should that be changed to Deaths in 2011 for the new year now that the new year has begun? Bcperson89 (talk) 09:23, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This has been fixed by Allen3. A solution using {{CURRENTYEAR}} would avoid the need to update. Modest Genius talk 15:50, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Unless something has changed in the past year or so, {{CURRENTYEAR}} within wikilinks doesn't work for some technical reason beyond my ability to understand. See my old bugzilla request. - BanyanTree 00:33, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It's only in redirects it doesn't work. It works fine in Recent deaths but I think a yearly manual update is better than an automatic link to a page which may have no deaths yet. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:48, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
For anyone else who was confused by this comment, the code for that link is [[Deaths in {{CURRENTYEAR}}|Recent deaths]] Modest Genius talk 02:58, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
 Done HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:28, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Now all we need is a means to insure the appropriate new page is in place at the start of each coming new year (decreeing that an unnamed somebody will take care of a problem that only appears once a year is a good way to ensure the task is forgotten between now and the next occurrence of January 1). Otherwise the traditional avoidance of WP:REDLINKs on the Main Page will be violated. --Allen3 talk 20:38, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Adapting the fallback code we already use for TFP should work for that, and ensure (;)) there's no redlink. I reckon:
{{#ifexist:Deaths in {{CURRENTYEAR}}|[[Deaths in {{CURRENTYEAR}}|Recent deaths]]|[[Deaths in {{#time:Y|-1 years}}|Recent deaths]]}}
The two links render as: Recent deaths and Recent deaths, which work provided last year's article exists. Modest Genius talk 20:50, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Gta 4

People the awards that have been listed in Grand Theft Auto IV main page are all "Game of the Year" awards rather than "Action game of the year". Then why after several times editing that page, the awards change back to "Action game of the year".

There is one other issue too. The reviews are mostly of PC version rather than PS3/X360. The game is the highest rated game of all time and that rating is represented by its PS3 and Xbox 360 version.

So its a request to wikipedia to solve this issue. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gta4best (talk • contribs) 07:15, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your interest in Wikipedia and for your attempts to improve these videogame articles. This is, however, not the forum for discussing the Grand Theft Auto IV page specifically; this area is intended for discussing the Main Page only. When editing this Talk Page you should be presented with a whole host of links to suggested areas that you may find useful and I would direct you to the New Contributors' Help Page in the first instance. To discuss GTA4, please post your comments on the Talk Page of that article. Happy editing! Careful With That Axe, Eugene Hello... 10:26, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Man, Eugene, that has got to the politest "re-direct the newbie" post I have ever seen!! Maybe we should keep it as a template somewhere and just modify it with new topics each time it's needed! Most excellent!! Keep up the good work!  :) Rhodesisland (talk) 01:35, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

some are missing.--PeterTrompeter (talk) 12:11, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Main Page FAQ#How are interwiki links in the left-hand column chosen?. The other languages are available from the 'complete list' link at the bottom of the interwikis. Modest Genius talk 17:06, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We really need to sort this out

it's always annoying when i see there is a Christian festival and then it's followed by western Christianity and not also eastern when they are in fact both celebrating on that day. The reason i think this needs changing is two-fold

  • on article pages for saints and Christian festivals, in the info-box it has a "observed by" column which will list the churches which do celebrate, e.g. Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Lutheran, Some Anglicans etc....so if it just says western Christianity, on the main-page it may be misleading
  • secondly, although the main rationale i presume for exclusing eastern Christianity for say, the epiphany today, is because numerically the greater portion of us keep a 13 day behind calendar, e.g. Russia, Serbia, Jerusalem,... Greece, Cyprus, Albania, Bulgaria, almost all the Greeks outside the home countries, e.g., millions in the Americas, Europe, Oceania, celebrate today and the Russians ARE celebrating on the 6th of January anyway it's just they cannot count properly!! they think 6th January is the correct date for the epiphany too, it's just they think 6th of January is when it's 19th January.Eugene-elgato (talk) 10:23, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
What? All those nations are using gregorian calendar, just the holidays fall on different days, so it is perfectly fine as it is. Regarding the first point, it would be better to address it to a dedicated wikiproject. --Tone 10:28, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
OK, but i still would argue that essentially they hold Xmas on 25th December, and their calendar is out of synch- apparently in a few years they will be celebrating Xmas on our 8th December and no longer 7th even, which indicates not that their Xmas is simply on the 7th January, but that their 25th December is way out of synch and not even linearly. If that makes any sense??Eugene-elgato (talk) 11:58, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Uh, wouldn't we then place their Christmas on the 8th?  狐 FOX  12:20, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
We would, the same as we do for other holidays which change. We use the gregorian calendar on wikipedia, and it's also what a lot of the world uses in a variety of circumstances. The fact that some events are based on a calendar related to the gregorian one which therefore has the same month names doesn't change the fact it's a different calendar. More importantly, ultimately whatever you want to call the date the events fall whenever they fall (sometimes it depends on where you live or what system you use), the fact that Chinese New Year falls on the first day of the first month of the year of the Chinese lunar calendar or Eid ul-Fitr on 1 Shawwal doesn't change that. Those who follow the different practices were not celebrating Christmas several days ago whatever you want to call the date. The will be soon, whatever you want to call the date Nil Einne (talk) 13:13, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Would "Epiphany (Gregorian calendar)" be better then? We do that for Christmas (and you'll see it there on Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/January 7). howcheng {chat} 16:56, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that would be not bad idea at allEugene-elgato (talk) 18:19, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Done, and "Theophany (Julian calendar)" added to Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/January 19. howcheng {chat} 22:05, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That is excellent; it really clarifies things better- thank youEugene-elgato (talk) 01:33, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Where is the information about the latest letter bomb terrorist attacks? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.30.186.126 (talk) 10:46, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You could try Wikinews via the link at the bottom of the Main Page... Careful With That Axe, Eugene Hello... 13:04, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Wakefield's study linking autism...

What's the source for this? I only ask because it is not mentioned here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science_and_environment/ . Is this an example of WP breaking a story? --FormerIP (talk) 12:25, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

PS: Yes, I know it has happened and that it has had coverage. I guess my real question is about why this is WP's main headline if the BBC don't even appear to have a story on it. --FormerIP (talk) 12:29, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) This and This, for example, as included in Andrew Wakefield. See Wikipedia:ITNC#MMR_vaccine_controversy. And the answer to your question is, therefore, no! BencherliteTalk 12:32, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Reply to your PS: "In the news" doesn't have a main headline, it just has a most recent headline at the top. See the ITN discussion for more, well, discussion of reasons for inclusion. BencherliteTalk 12:32, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, but Wakefield was struck off by the General Medical Council some time last year over this research. The BMJ calling him a fraud now is obvious extremely significant to his biography, but it doesn't seem like an earth shattering event, particularly if major news outlets are ignoring altogether. --FormerIP (talk) 13:09, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'll admit it's lost a lot of impact in terms of newsworthiness since he was struck off so long ago, but we didn't report on it then. It's a big story, both with the striking off and the fraud announcement, and covering it now is better than never. (Also, a good amount of news outlets have covered BMJ's announcement, a lot of them not giving it premier placement.)  狐 FOX  13:26, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I was a bit surprised by the timing of this as well - the wider picture has been known for quite a while, and this doesn't seem hugely surprising in that context. But if we didn't cover it last time, then I guess it's good to get it out there. Trebor (talk) 13:52, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The breaking news aspect is the revelation that he faked data in the original study, this is what prompted the BMJ labelling him a fraud, and it only happened in the last couple of days. cyclosarin (talk) 15:09, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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