User talk:WhatamIdoing

I'm approaching watchlist bankruptcy again. If you expected a reply on another page and didn't get it, then please feel free to remind me.

Please add notes to the end of this page. I'll probably reply here unless you suggest another page for a reply. Thanks, WhatamIdoing (talk)

Quote Parameter in citations

You contributed to a discussion either here or here. I'm attempting to summarize and move the discussion forward here. You may well have this page watchlisted, but as I am trying to carny on in a slightly different place, I'm letting everyone know who contributed.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 17:04, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Help setting up translation task force

Hey WAID wondering if you know how to format some of this stuff for the translation task force [1] It has been a few days and no bot has come along to fill in the assessment data.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 00:06, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Did you follow all the set-up directions? I don't see any evidence of the relevant categories there. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:47, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

No, thanks for the advice. Will see if I can figure it out.--Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:35, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Hum, looks rather complicated. Who at Wikipedia medicine has set up one of these projects before? I may need some help. Have posted here [2]--Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:44, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

It looks more complicated than it is. I think the list of instructions at WP:MEDTF is easier to follow. If you can't figure it out, then ping me tomorrow. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:07, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes that is definitely easier. I have tried to follow the instructions. Not sure if it will work though.Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 03:05, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Seems like it works a little but not completely.--Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 03:29, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Following the steps exactly as indicated at WP:MEDTF#Task force creation guidelines will do the trick (you did not create any of the necessary categories), but I wonder if there is a better way to create this project. I just posed a bunch of questions at WT:MEDTF#Translation. I can lend a hand, but need to know more about your goals. Creating all of the categories is extremely tedious, and they might not even be necessary to accomplish your objective. --Scott Alter (talk) 04:17, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

It looks like you created the cats for WP:WikiProject Translation. I believe that the cats need to be named Category:Translation task force articles by quality for it to work. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:36, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Scanning speech

Thanks for reviewing this article. It's the first article I've created, and as I'm new to this I was just wondering if you had any pointers? Good stuff and stuff I can do better next time? Thanks Basalisk ^{inspect damage}⁄_berate 23:24, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

For a first article, I think it was really pretty good, and you should be pleased with your success.

Are you familiar with WP:MEDRS and WP:MEDMOS? The first is about identifying the best sources for medicine-related information, and the second sometimes has useful suggestions about what to include or how to say things.

Also, if you haven't met the folks at WP:MED yet, they're a great bunch, and I recommend keeping an eye on the talk page. It's a good place to get help and to find out what's going on. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:52, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Wiki problems

You've received a reply on user tabby talk page. Tabby (talk) 13:20, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Terms of Use

Just a note to say I liked 2 of your changes for s.10, and incorporated them into mine. The effect is both of us have suggested almost identical versions to Geoff.

I also proposed the remaining edits to s.12 which you said would be needed but hadn't written up. If you want to, go take a look and see what you think.

(The IP editor in that section appears to be listed on the SPI page for this banned user.)

FT2 ^{(Talk | email)} 15:09, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

It may take me a while to get over there today. I was partly building on your earlier comments in that draft, which explains the similarities.

One thing I've been particularly happy about in this discussion is knowing that Geoff will ignore or improve my suggestions if they're not good enough. It's a delight to deal with an intelligent, committed, well-informed professional.

It's amazing how certain people just can't believe that they've been banned, isn't it? WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:59, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

U must be a snake (chinese horoscope). Always looking for mischief. I was delighted to talk to an intelligent, commited and well-informed professional at the above mentioned discussion site too.--Angel54 5 (talk) 03:01, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Reminder — What the phrase means

Hi. Just a reminder re my last question[3] in our discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Verifiability#What_the_phrase_means. --Bob K31416 (talk) 15:28, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder. I have replied there. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:40, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, WhatamIdoing. You have new messages at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(idea_lab).
Message added 18:52, 9 January 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

causa sui (talk) 18:52, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

One more, at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical) :-) causa sui (talk) 21:49, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Brain picking

I think I recall you mentioning a year or two ago that, when a policy and a guideline are found to conflict, the policy doesn't automatically trump the guideline, but the correct response is for a wide community discussion to reconcile the two. (Maybe it was SlimVirgin or SandyGeorgia; it wasn't a bloke.) If I'm right, is there anywhere I could go on project to confirm that that is the usual practice? --Anthonyhcole (talk) 15:04, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines#Conflicts_between_advice_pages. NB that WP:V explicitly states that it trumps all sourcing guidelines; I have the (possibly erroneous) belief that this unusual provision is SlimVirgin's work. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:31, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Never die. Never leave. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 17:44, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Help with Edits to Internationals Schools Services

OpenMinds2010 (talk) 19:55, 13 January 2012 (UTC)I wonder if you could help again with this article. You helped when I first wrote it. Someone has targeted it for deletion. I am not an advanced wiki writer but would like to keep my article and eventually make it better. The person who marked it for deletion looks a little sketchy but may still have the power to delete. Thanks for any help you can offer.

I have removed the tag. The user in question does not have the "power" to delete articles; that's why he tagged it rather than deleting it. Deleting it would have required an admin [the only users with a 'delete article' button on their screens] to decide whether deletion under WP:CSD#G11 was appropriate.

It appears that the user who tagged the article had a rather expansive understanding of "spam". However, it could still be deleted through the normal WP:AFD process. The best thing you can do to prevent that is to WP:CITE as many WP:Independent sources about the school as possible. It is rare for an article about a school to end up deleted if it cites a dozen sources (not counting the school's website or other sources with a close connection to the school). WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:12, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Spam G11

G11 spam doesn't have to be "try my product" written inside the article type of nature. Db-spam does include articles that is promotional in nature, such as nothing but highly postive reviews, what features it does and such, mainly written by a COI. I'm very conservative when it comes with CSD, usually following the example of other administrators, and being a former administrator for over four years myself. What I tag is with accordance with that. Thanks Secret ^account 21:03, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

To qualify for G11, the articles must be exclusively promotional in nature, not just partly promotional, and a list of major features isn't "promotional": it's descriptive. (Think about it: how the heck would you describe (a very encyclopedic activity) a piece of software without listing its features?) I'm sensitive to spam problems, since I've been the most active editor at the External links guideline and noticeboard for years; I know what it looks like.

Additionally, I know a good deal about notability requirements for organizations, since I've written most of WP:ORG. Both Wikipedia:Deletion_policy#Speedy_deletion and WP:CSD plainly state that no page, no matter what, should be sent for speedy deletion unless it has "no chance of surviving discussion" at AFD. Notable organizations always have a practical "chance of surviving discussion", by definition.

Don't confuse "positive content" for "promotional". The fact is that "nothing but positive" is pretty typical of the reliable sources for some smaller organizations (just like "nothing but negative" is what you get for certain scandal-prone organizations). A 100% positive article may accurately reflect the reliable sources, and in those cases, only a 100% positive article complies with NPOV. Even if you think the balance is off, deletion is not a form of clean up. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:59, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

I replied back on my talk page. I know your work (I personally don't understand why you never did an RFA). I fully agree with you, except for the PHPmotion article. I just had my health issue right before I said my comment above so I didn't made sense here. Sorry about that. Now wikibreak. Thanks 184.33.223.182 (talk) 22:52, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Mistakes happen; don't worry about it. I hope you feel better soon. I'll go take a closer look at the PHPMotion article. In fact, since it's been tagged for notability for a while, perhaps it should just go to PROD or AFD if I can't find any independent sources. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:18, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Good article help?

Hi. If you have time I would like your opinion on an idea I had for helping new good article reviewers. A first draft can be found here. It started off as an upgrade to the mentor page, but has now turned more into a help desk/noticeboard. I decided to get the advice of some GA regulars before announcing it at GAN. As you wrote much of the "what is not a good article essay" and answer questions regularly at the talk pages I thought you might have some ideas on the validity of this GA subpage and hopefully ways to improve it (plus would be willing to watch it if it is used). I would appreciate any comments you, or any of your interested talk page watchers, might have towards it either here or on the talk page. AIRcorn (talk) 10:31, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Boldly substituting a dictionary equivalency

Hi. Just to let you know that I responded[4] to a message of yours at Wikipedia_talk:Verifiability#Boldly_substituting_a_dictionary_equivalency. Regards, --Bob K31416 (talk) 01:06, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

I apologize for the delay in answering; I've been mostly off wiki for a couple of days. I do appreciate your note here to make sure I saw your good suggestion. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:02, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Second paragraph of lead

Hi. Just to let you know that I responded[5] to a message of yours at Wikipedia_talk:Verifiability#Second_paragraph_of_lead. Regards, --Bob K31416 (talk) 13:33, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

FWIW, overall I recognize that your comments have been useful in developing the possible version. Regards, --Bob K31416 (talk) 17:31, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Templatify

Can you please add the 2.0s into the respective templates, please, per the discussions here. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me) 03:04, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

I don't really understand what you want. The alternative images to be added to the templates? The alternatives to be listed at Wikipedia:Barnstars 2.0? (You could do either of these things just as easily as I could. They do not require special privileges.) Something else? WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:30, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Really, I am struggling to add the alt parameters in these templates, help. --Extra 999 (Contact ^me) 18:00, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

It looks to me like you made one single effort a week ago, and then gave up—which is too bad, because what you did actually worked.

The only thing you got wrong was the documentation, which requires |alt=yes, not just |alt=. If you'll go look at Template:The Press Barnstar, you'll see what I did to fix the documentation. Also (unfortunately), you have to purge the cache to see the correct results. The easiest way to do this is to go to Special:Preferences, then to Gadgets, and tick the second item under "Appearance", which is "Add a clock in the personal toolbar that displays the current time in UTC (which also provides a link to purge the current page)." Whenever you need to purge a page, you just click the clock and wait a few seconds.

So your process is to do what you did originally for each of the files, except to add the =yes, save the page (which will definitely display wrong), and then click the clock to purge the page (and maybe reload the page a time or two). WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:24, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

DID Page

It's nice to see you there in the talk section. :) I hope you take some time and work on the article as well. We do need more people there and you seem more than capable.~ty (talk) 06:24, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

You've got mail!

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SarahStierch (talk) 19:22, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Abortion exceptionalism

The article Abortion exceptionalism has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Not seeing this concept described by reliable sources; seems like original research.

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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 06:53, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Accounts

Is it possible that SlimVirgin has been using Dreadstar's account at WT:V? --Bob K31416 (talk) 19:51, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

I seriously doubt it. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:04, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks

For fixing that again. I think I had fixed it once before but someone reverted because I was involved in the Muhammad arbitration. ASCIIn2Bme (talk) 23:57, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:31, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Ongoing dispute clause?

Please direct me to the Rm stale POV tag per "ongoing dispute" clause you have been refering to. -- Cdw ♥'s ♪ ♫(talk) 00:14, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Second bullet point at the top of Template:POV/doc: "The editor placing this template in an article should promptly begin a discussion on the article's talk page. In the absence of any discussion, or if the discussion has become dormant, then this tag may be removed by any editor." If you have noticed, I've been pulling tags that have been dated as far back as 2008. It is not even remotely plausible that discussions from several years ago are still active in 2012. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:46, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks I didn't know that. I learn something new every day. -- Cdw ♥'s ♪ ♫(talk) 14:49, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome! Wikipedia is such a sprawling, complex place that it's just impossible to know everything. I believe that the only way to make it work is by sharing the little bits we happen to know like this. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:26, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

External link request

Hello, you replied to my request for a link on the dementia wikipage Wikipedia:External links/Noticeboard I have replied to your reply but basically it's to say that you were right, I should request a link to be placed on the "caregiving and dementia" wikipage rather than the "dementia" wikipage and the link to be directed to the "care" category on the www.dementia.co.uk webpage rather than the homepage. I would be greatful if you could help resolve this matter. Thanks again for taking the time to read.John cordingly (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:19, 8 February 2012 (UTC).

Induced abortion at TNBC

Hi, I believe this is your specialty? Richiez (talk) 16:36, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I apologize for the late reply. Actually, I generally try to avoid abortion-related issues, because the ratio of good editors to true believers (on both sides) is so bad. But I think you were right to revert it: the paper in question gives the same odds ratio of 1.4 for both triple-negative and all other forms of breast cancer, so it doesn't really seem to be a risk factor specifically for TNBC. (I wonder how much of that effect disappears when you control for the risk factors for having an abortion, like getting drunk frequently [alcohol being a known and pretty direct cause of breast cancer].) WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:55, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

I found it indeed rather surprising that those factors were not compensated for as it appears that young afro-american women of low socioeconomic status are at particular risk for TNBC, with predictable implications for abortion incidence. Unless some very solid evidence emerges I think it is better when abortion and breast cancer are discussed on the dedicated page. Richiez (talk) 18:51, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Would you mind when I reshuffle the sections again - I believe it is necessary to have classification above treatment because treatment is done based on classification (and I am trying to update/expand both). Btw metastatic breast cancer could use a radical sweep, getting the impression there is somehow way too many articles to keep in sync. Richiez (talk) 10:29, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, first of all, what's currently in the classification section is really histology/path information, not properly classification information. "Classification" is generally supposed to be something more like what is done under Hypertension#Classification or Diabetes mellitus#Classification, not a list of things like "Sometimes TNBC cells overexpress this protein" or "We can identify this disease by looking for this histopathology pattern".

I also don't currently see any connection between the information in the classification section and the treatment section, so from the readers' perspective, they've been made to wade through highly technical (=confusing) information for apparently no purpose.

That said, I don't actually feel strongly about it one way or the other. If you think it's better this way, then I'm okay with that. WhatamIdoing (talk) 10:44, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

I hope to fix treatment to take pathology into account sometimes soon so the connection will be more obvious. Yes, it is not real classification, but some things have already turned out to be fairly important and others need to be added. Richiez (talk) 18:30, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Why don't we re-name the section to be a little more accurate? We could have a ==Histopathology== section, or something like that. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:23, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Would be fine for now. I am gathering lots of information on classification and no idea what the section will look like when it is done. Richiez (talk) 18:29, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Or we can wait until you've had a chance to finish reading things. There's no deadline, and a couple of days isn't going to make much difference. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:46, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Recognizability poll

WhatamIdoing, since you participated in a previous poll on the wording of the "recognizability" provision in WT:TITLE, your perspective would be valued in this new poll that asks a somewhat different question: WT:TITLE#Poll to plan for future discussion on Recognizability. – Dicklyon (talk) 05:11, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Ask, and ye shall receive: one candid opinion has been delivered. But you won't like it. WhatamIdoing (talk)

Counters

You have helped me in the past, so I thought you may be able to help me again. I used to use two counters. One, a global counter, that counted the number of edits I made. The other was more fine-grained. It counted the edits I made per Wikipedia entry and category of entry (e.g., the pages themselves, templates, the discussion of the page, etc.). The tools, however, expired. You can see my Wikipedia page to find those tools (I didn't delete them). Can you direct me to other counters I could use. Thanks. Iss246 (talk) 11:24, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Try http://toolserver.org/~tparis/pcount/index.php?name=Iss246&lang=en&wiki=wikipedia It appears to be the successor for Soxred's account. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:31, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you.Iss246 (talk) 17:30, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

More help with counters

Hello again. I used to consult an application site that counted how many hits per month a Wikipedia entry received. The site was http://stats.grok.se/, but is not longer operating. I wondered if you could direct me to another site that could do the same thing. Thank you. Iss246 (talk) 19:58, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

That's the only one I've ever used for page view statistics. It's possible that an inquiry (or a search through the recent archives; surely we're not the only people who used it?) at Village Pump (technical) would be produce an alternative, or at least some information about what happened to it. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:01, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I took your advice, and asked at the Village Pump (technical) entry. Iss246 (talk) 22:51, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Recent WP:MEDRS change

Hello, I made a comment on a month old discussion [6] which you may not have noticed. It concerns the guidelines which now strongly imply that tertiary sources cannot be used to determine balance/due weight. I'd appreciate you taking a look. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mindjuicer (talk • contribs) 18:51, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Brilliant Idea Barnstar
	Thank you so much for your help at the sources page. I have been rather floundering, for lack of a better word, in the insecticide articles regarding the use of good, solid primary studies in articles. Your advice is very encouraging. xxxooo (I'm a gurl too, so we can hug and kiss) Gandydancer (talk) 21:45, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your note

Not that I don't believe you, but regarding ref styles, it seems odd to me, that the MLA article does not itself use refs with the URLs exposed. Nor did I see a sample containing a URL on the page, just as a visual example, as on other pages about ref styles. Marrante (talk) 06:58, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure that the article about MLA style actually uses the MLA citation style (they might be, but at least the third one looks not quite right to me); there's no requirement that it do so. You can see their approach here. URLs aren't required (at all), but when they're included, the MLA style makes them visible and encloses them in angle brackets. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:23, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Mediation Cabal: Request for participation

Dear WhatamIdoing: Hello. This is just to let you know that you've been mentioned in the following request at the Mediation Cabal, which is a Wikipedia dispute resolution initiative that resolves disputes by informal mediation.

The request can be found at Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/27 February 2012/Wikipedia:Verifiability.

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Article restructuring at the Beatles

There is a straw poll taking place here, and your input would be appreciated. — GabeMc (talk) 23:34, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't know anything about the subject and do not understand why you have invited me to share an opinion. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:39, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Image placement issue

I may have misunderstood the edit history, but I think this thread at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Images#Image placement: Reason? concerns an edit you made to the guidelines back in October. Just in case you miss it on your watchlist. All the best.--SabreBD (talk) 00:03, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Rhodium and Platinum

I picked your name out randomly from the edit history for Service Awards - congratulations! The metals for Senior and Master are mixed up between the descriptions and files names. SlightSmile 18:10, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

I put that issue where I should have in the first place, Wikipedia talk:Service awards so never mind the above. Regards and good to meet you.. SlightSmile 19:12, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Please remember to list at WP:CP

When tagging a page witgh {{copyvio}} please remember to also list it at WP:CP as described in the instructions in the template. The copyvio at Victor Anomah Ngu has only just been dealt with as those that deal with copyvios at WP:CP were unaware of it. A bot would normally automatically list anything that was not listed but this was down for several months and it's best it is not relied upon. Please also notify the user who inserted the text. Again instructions are provided in the template. Dpmuk (talk) 21:25, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Pregnancy trans-inclusivity

I'd enjoy you chipping in on the trans-inclusivity section of the pregnancy page. Triacylglyceride (talk) 20:43, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, no, you probably won't enjoy it, but I have added my two cents. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:55, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Ambassador Project Help Request

Hey! Dylan, a Wikipedia Campus Ambassador here. We are working in an undergrad Theatre course at Louisiana State University and are creating four new articles on the plays we are studying. We have drafted them in our sandboxes and hope to move to live in the next week or so. The students are all first-time WP contributors and are looking for someone to give us feedback on their articles. We know they are not Good-Article status, but our objective is to get solid information up so these plays have a place on WP. Would you be interested in helping? You can find the articles here. We hope you can help! Dylanstaley (talk) 15:36, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but as it says at the top of the page, I'm busy in real life for at least the next few weeks. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:02, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Cancer

Thanks for you swift responses on the cancer page. --Zaurus (talk) 16:05, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

AlexNewArtBot etc

Hiya. Fixed I think. See my talk for details (if interested). fredgandt 01:25, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Otis Redding/GA3

I left a question for you on Talk:Otis Redding/GA3 . Thanks.--Ishtar456 (talk) 14:37, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for pinging my talk page. I have replied there to confirm. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:59, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Your and There

Are there boxes for "Your vs You're" and "Their vs There vs They're" you can add to your userpage? Your/You're misuse is one of my peeves.512bits (talk) 02:27, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Not to mention why so many know "a few" is two words but not "a lot".512bits (talk) 02:28, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

You're probably looking for {{user theretheir}} and {{user youryou're}}. I haven't seen one for alot, but I agree that it's a particularly irritating error. There are many more at Category:Grammar user templates. Please let me know if you spot any particularly good ones. WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:13, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

about serial extraction

Thanks for ur help with references. I really appreciate. Inline citations are something i hv been trying but cudnt get the hang of it. So if u cud help me with that, it wud be great. thanks again. Dr.neha sharma (talk) 11:27, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

I've set it up, which is the first half, and now you have to tell the software which reference belongs to which paragraph, which is the second half. In between now and then, we've got the software confused with the half-done state of the citations, which is why it's throwing that ugly red error message on the page.

Here's what you do:

I named the five references by the author's last name (with dates for the two Graber books so we can tell them apart). The five magic codes are these:

<ref name=Graber1996 />

<ref name=Graber1994 />

<ref name=Proffit />

<ref name=Norman />

<ref name=Kjellgren />

So any place that you want a little blue number that links to the Proffit book, you just paste <ref name=Proffit /> right at the end of that sentence or paragraph.

I made a guess that the Kjellgren source is supposed to be connected to the first sentence in the history, so I added that the magic code for Kjellgren to that sentence, so you can see exactly what I typed here. Try to do the same thing for as many places in the article as you can. Feel free to leave me another note if you get stuck. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:32, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

hey thanx a lot. i hv made the necessary changes in the article w.r.t. references. u wr a great help. this is the first time ever in my life that i m using dis sort of computer language. i really hv no idea bout hw it works. trust me when i say it ws very tough and time consuming for me to hv written this article in wiki format. i hope i'll hv u around for my upcoming articles. hv a gd day. Dr.neha sharma (talk) 07:19, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome.

You've made a good start, but I think you want to keep going, so that most of the information is associated with a source. You can re-use the "magic codes" as many times as you want, so if several different paragraphs in Serial extraction came from the same book, just paste that code in every time the source was used. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:06, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Immunology

I see you have edited some of the pages within the scope of immunology. Please have a look at the proposal for a WikiProject Immunology WP:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Immunology and give your opinion (support or oppose). Thank you for your attention. Kinkreet^{~♥moshi moshi♥~} 09:41, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

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Note ANI mention

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Correct place to issue a dare? WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:^simple/_complex 21:18, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Please be kind

You may or may not have noticed some edits I made earlier today. I added this one beginning with the words "I certainly agree" because I noticed that I hadn't fully replied to all the points you'd raised. I also added this post to clarify my position and highlight that "I have worked to resolve a concern ... raised by WhatamIdoing." I also made it clear that I was sorry that I'd previously used some inappropriate words (now mainly struck out by me). Another example of how I've been trying to collaborate: before leaving for London yesterday morning I found the time to set out my proposal in a way that it would be comprehensible to anyone (and I've even raised a couple of critical points about it). So we have different opinions about what to do? Nothing unusual on Wikipedia! I invited "support/oppose or comment" for my proposal, but instead your reply subtly accuses me of not collaborating. Maybe you haven't realized that I regard this matter as a chore, and the only reason I've continued addressing the question thus far is a sense of duty not to drop a task I'd taken on. Sincerely, —MistyMorn (talk) 19:53, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your note.

I know that you're trying to collaborate with the folks at WPMED, and I, too, see this as simply one more chore to be done. But were you really trying to collaborate with the people who originally added all of that information to the article? They added verifiable information, albeit information that is less important than what you added. Does blanking their contribution seem like collaborating to you? WhatamIdoing (talk) 11:56, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for replying and acknowledging my gf. Perhaps we are both finding this frustrating because we're experiencing it as an annoying chore which is dragging on?
Yes, I was genuinely trying to collaborate and I even took the time to present the list you inserted in full sentences in a way that seemed to me to make it clearer to readers that these items were not just "other examples" of biotherapy, but were related to an alternative usage of the word. I then went back to the Med Project Talk page to discuss the matter (albeit rather clumsily at first). While discussing, I realized that my view that the two sets of material did not belong in the same article became even stronger, and so I went back to remove the sentences I'd patiently added, justify my thinking on the Talk page (at some length), and develop an alternative proposal intended to resolve the question without loss of content on Wikipedia. As I've explained, I believe that creation of the separate page is in keeping with Wikipedia policies and guidelines, but I really don't know what would be the most suitable title for the page (Biotherapy (animal-assisted)??) I also think that separation of the two pages would actually facilitate article building. —MistyMorn (talk) 12:56, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Before I forget about this again, I've been trying to decide whether Fecal bacteriotherapy should be included on that page. WhatamIdoing (talk) 14:02, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Academic/Doctor Notability Question

Hey WhatamIdoing. I'm looking into an article on a prominent, well-published Llaryngologist. I'm not sure exactly about the precedents for articles on noted doctors, so I was hoping you could take a quick look at my draftpage and see if I'm in the ballpark. Great if you can, no problem if you can't. Cheers! Ocaasi ^{t | c} 15:42, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

There's nothing organized for physicians. WP:PROF is probably the most relevant guideline, and her achievements make her sound notable to me, but let me say that a quick glance at the very generous length of your ref list makes me confident that it will withstand any deletion challenge. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:59, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks very much for responding. I was hesitant at first, but seeing that she has started and worked at leading voice centers, is on the editorial board of the leading publication, and is very well published in the field, I also think it would withstand a challenge. I'm being particularly careful here because I know this individual personally. I'm going to run it through AfC just to be on the safe side, and let someone else move it live when it's ready. Thanks again! Ocaasi ^{t | c} 19:32, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

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Donald J. Cohen

Would you mind assessing? Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:07, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

 Done B/Low. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:27, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks (that was fast :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:29, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Here's another: James F. Leckman. Not quite as much material there, or maybe I'm just pooped out! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:37, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

 Done C/Low. (As far as I know, there's no rule against you assessing your own, but I don't mind, if you'd rather not. BTW, all people are "Low" for WPMED; it's not a reflection on their inherent worth, etc.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:43, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

I feel better if I don't do that-- it never looks right ... thanks again! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:59, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

ELN

I have responded to your comments about www.doollee.com on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ELN. Thanks for your interest. Julianoddy (talk) 13:54, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Chemotherapy

Hi, WhatamIdoing. Have you seen my comments at Talk:Chemotherapy? Axl ¤ [Talk] 09:53, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I've been off wiki for a couple of days. I'll take a look. WhatamIdoing (talk) 13:18, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons

Invitation to diacritics guideline discussion at WT:BLP

Hi, you were one of 100+ Users who has commented on a living person Requested Move featuring diacritics (e.g. the é in Beyoncé Knowles) in the last 30 days. Following closure of Talk:Stephane Huet RM, a tightening of BLP guidelines is proposed. Your contribution is invited to WT:BLP to discuss drafting a proposal for tightening BLP accuracy guidelines for names. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:04, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

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Wikipedia Stories Project

Hi!

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suggestion to merge essays

WAID, there is a discussion at WT:Verifiability on whether to merge the essays WP:Truth, WP:Inaccuracy and WP:Verifiability, not truth (as they appear to cover very similar topics). Since you were a major contributor to one of these essays, I thought you should be informed of the suggestion... and have a chance to share your thoughts. Please join the conversation at WT:Verifiability#How many essays are there on related topics? Blueboar (talk) 12:10, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Possible navbox placement proposal

I would appreciate your comments and suggestions regarding this draft proposal: User_talk:Butwhatdoiknow/Sandbox Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 13:53, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

I think the primary objection to having navboxes in the ==See also== section is this: a long, colored bar effectively draws a line across the article and signals to the viewer that nothing beyond it is worth reading.

Having you considered a {{Side box}} at the top of ==See also== that directs the reader to the usual location for the navboxes? WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:32, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Is this what you have in mind: User:Butwhatdoiknow/Sandbox1? I like it. Any suggestions for improvement (for example, better text to put into the sidebox)? Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 18:45, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, exactly. Perhaps starting with "See more articles..." (a complete sentence) and maybe a small icon would make it look nicer? Or a larger font? WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:38, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

I've made the text change but the sad reality is that adding an icon and changing the type size is beyond the limits of my knowledge. Would you be willing to make those improvements? Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 20:04, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, I don't know how to do it, either. I'd probably look at {{sister}} or some other template that uses {side box} and see if I could copy from it. Alternatively, I believe there is a WP:WikiProject Templates, and they would know. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:08, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

F.Y.I., your idea is taking root: {{Navbox link}} Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 22:39, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

That looks nice. I hope that it works out. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:41, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Strange WikiProject proposal

I have come across a strange Wikiproject proposal: Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/The 39 Clues. I cannot tell what this one is supposed to be about. It almost seems to be that the guy wants 2 separate wiki projects: one completely on him/herself (User:Alejandro Cambronero Albaladejo) and one on a book series that does not have very many articles about it. I want to say something yet there is no "Discussion" area. Could someone please help me with this. Personally I would take down the proposition, yet I don't have the authority to. Bloope (talk) 18:39, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I've fixed the format. Probably he just couldn't figure out how to set it up. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:32, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. That would be redundant wouldn't it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bloope (talk • contribs) 21:12, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

It seems that way to me. Of course, redundant projects are allowed... just not usually the wisest choice. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:18, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

WP:MEDRS

I am hoping to alter WP:MEDRS. Please comment here. Axl ¤ [Talk] 19:43, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

I think I'll let other people have a chance to respond first, but, fundamentally, the problem with your proposal is Hoyle's law: Whatever the game, whatever the rules, the rules are the same for both sides. That is, whatever we let you do in assessing a source, we must also permit POV pushers and undereducated people to do.

So you are unhappy with the source we're using as an example in this discussion (in part) because you disagree with its inclusion criteria (e.g., excluding hematological malignancies from their definition of cancer). Are you sure that you want to propose that, say, the folks promoting transcendental meditation be permitted to exclude peer-reviewed meta-analyses of TM on the grounds that they disagree with critical reports' inclusion criteria? Would you want a true believer in homeopathy to be able to reject apparently good sources for this reason? WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:54, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

In the case of homeopathy and other "fringe" theories, multiple independent sources would trump a single rogue source. In every case, consensus would always apply. Axl ¤ [Talk] 20:29, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

That would be relevant if we were talking about what to include in an article, rather than ways to remove information that the POV pusher disagrees with. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:05, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

If the consensus says "Source X is unreliable and shouldn't be used", that's what should happen. Axl ¤ [Talk] 21:22, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

That's basically my point: a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS doesn't override the community-wide consensus, which is that editors shouldn't be rejecting sources based on what the editors think would have been a better list of inclusion criteria, or whether they think that people faced with the facts about the small benefits of {chemotherapy | transcendental meditation | whatever} will choose not to undertake that program, even if they call that cherry-picking "deciding whether the peer-reviewed meta-analysis is a reliable source".

To put it another way, I don't believe that it is possible to have a valid consensus to reject a source on the grounds that you disagree with it. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:02, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Hatnote#Trivial_hatnote_links

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Hatnote#Trivial_hatnote_links. KarlB (talk) 18:57, 3 May 2012 (UTC)Template:Z48

Improving Immunology Articles

Hi WhatamIdoing, If you'd put your mind back a month or so, there was a discussion on the medicine talk pages about the proposal of a WikiProject Immunology. I have been having exams since then and so have not been active here, but now I am back. It seems the proposal do not have enough people to be a project, so now I am just happy getting an informal group of editors to improve articles in theImmunology category. If you are interested, please visit here and just start editing, and tell other people about this. I will do my best because I think there really are a lot of gaps in these articles. If you require any assistance please don't hesitate to contact me and all comments for improvement are welcomed. I hope you are interested and hope to be working with you soon. Kinkreet^{~♥moshi moshi♥~} 00:30, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

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Watchlist

"Watchlist bankruptcy" - excellent phrase, I know the feeling well. (I didn't want anything, I was just passing through your page.) SpinningSpark 23:49, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

WP:EDITORS

I noticed you did some changes to the the page, WP:EDITORS in the demographics section. I have did some extra revisions, one way an extension of your edit. May I request you your feedbacks on my edits? e^xtra999 (talk) 09:56, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

I appreciate your color change.

I think that the items you added would be better handled as pie charts because there are multiple values. On the other hand, our pie charts are pretty bulky. (See Wikipedia:Graphs#Pie_chart). WhatamIdoing (talk) 14:32, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

So you mean, I should make pie/bar graphs of them? OK. e^xtra999 (talk) 10:03, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!

	Helpful Hero!
	Hello, and thank you to contributing to my Village Pump post. Even though we had conflicting thoughts, possibly a misunderstanding, thank you for contributing! THX, Ax1om77 05:43, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks

Many thanks for your calm and helpful intervention in the recent discussions on my talk page. Dahliarose (talk) 20:16, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome! WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:27, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you on my part too. I've learned from the best ... --Bobjgalindo (talk) 16:29, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Help with accessing a jpg file

You have helped me in the past, and daresay thought you could help me again. I would like to download a photo from among the files stored in Wikipedia. The photo I would like to download is a shot of a horseshoe crab: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Horseshoe_crab_female.jpg#filelinks

I would like to use it in a story I am writing about saving a bunch of horseshoe crabs that washed up on a beach. They were on their backs, and unable to crawl back into the water. I tossed them back in. I would like to download the photo but I'm not sure how I can do that. I thought you would know. Thanks.Iss246 (talk) 05:09, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

It depends on what software you're using. Click here and then try right-clicking or ctrl-clicking on the image to save it ti your computer. Good luck, WhatamIdoing (talk) 13:49, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you.Iss246 (talk) 21:24, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Reply re COI/N

Hello. You have COI/N at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard#Workers' Youth League (Norway)‎‎'s talk page. --Eisfbnore ^{(下さいて話し)} 09:01, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I'll try to look in later today. WhatamIdoing (talk) 13:52, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

I've left another comment, should you have the time and inclination to look into the issue once more. Eisfbnore ^{(下さいて話し)} 17:54, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I do, however, not agree with you and have left another comment. Eisfbnore ^{(下さいて話し)} 19:26, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for sticking up for me in the COI discussion!

I'm very grateful for your defending me in the COI discussion. The state of Wikipedia pages related to Norwegian politics are unfortunately very lacking. The few who do take an interest in them, seem to have their own strong views and a very limited interest in any definition of neutrality outside of their political world-view.

I realise my own behaviour both in edits, summaries and discussions have been less than perfect, but I hope that you can sympathise when I say they are a result of a barrage of these sorts of unsubstantiated accusations. I actually had to give up contributing to no.wp full-stop since they do not have a good definition of what constitutes a COI. I will do my best to follow the example of constructiveness you set in these discussions. toresbe (talk) 11:09, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. My main purpose is to stick up for the limits of this particular guideline.

I hope that you will keep making an effort to be constructive and to make sure that the voices of the critics are heard as plainly in the article as the voices of the supporters. Good luck with the complex task of finding a good balance. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:19, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Wikimania?

Hey!

Are you coming to Wikimania 2012 in DC? If so, please let me know.--Jorm (WMF) (talk) 00:22, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

No, wrong coast. But thanks for asking. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:03, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, crap. Do you ever attend any west-coast meetups, then? I have a physical barnstar I want to give you. --Jorm (WMF) (talk) 20:34, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

edits

Those (not unbiased) reversions of *yours* were reversions of my *own* edits,so I have the right of way so to speak in objecting to them (ie by reverting them) You may take it to the talk section, it can their be discussed *prior* to any further revisions. I admit that my editing skills are sketchy but I am new. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.101.102.233 (talk) 01:27, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

I see that you've been blocked for edit warring. If you come back later, then perhaps we'll be able to talk about why it's a problem to do things like changing the words in a direct quotation or describing dysfunctional nerves as "healthy".

As for the "right of way": your right of way and my right of way are equal. Both of us made changes. Changes that add, remove, or change information are equal. It's not a case of first come, first served. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:24, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:You don't own Wikipedia

Congratulations, WhatamIdoing! This was the most demoralizing essay I have ever read on Wikipedia! Makes me realize how much a worm a mere editor is considered by the WMF, and your patronizing and self-righteous speech did its own part. Brought me one step closer to giving up contributing all together. Nageh (talk) 21:22, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

I suppose that different people will find different ideas demoralizing. IMO the most demoralizing essay is probably one of the ones about how we treat subject-matter experts.

(It sounds like you might want to consider a wikibreak to recharge.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:39, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)If you're up for it, I wouldn't mind taking a crack at some editing for trimming and tone. I could see how many users would see the essay as overly aggressive in making its point, with language like "delusion" and "egotistical power users." We're sort of name calling the essay's readers by default. It seems heavily editorialized, while taking an article-like stance on NPOV would make it crisper and more informative. My take. User:King4057 07:49, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

I have mixed feelings about this suggestion. I'm not actually trying to create a page that dispassionately outlines the formal and legal situation concerning control of the WMF websites. My focus is on the WP:DIVAs and other drama-causing attitude problems that we encounter. This particular attitude problem—the overly entitled, narcissistic power user who believes that everything ought to be done his way—is not unique to the WMF projects. It has been documented on similar websites, such as Flickr, and the field of change management exists (in the web world) partly because of the problems this particular group of users causes.

I doubt that its readers take it personally. I suspect, in fact, that altogether too many of them instead think, "Wow, she's nailed the description of my opponent perfectly".

So perhaps what you'd really like to do is to expand Wikipedia:Administration#Human and Legal Administration, which seems to be intended for a more official description. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:10, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't intend to re-focus the essay on strictly legal issues, but I think even the drama itself can be described in a neutral manner that doesn't invite more drama. We can communicate that power users feel a false sense of entitlement from privileges merely temporally granted to them to create a sense of community - pointing out a significant emotional and psychological event, without attacking users that fall victim to it. Where I was going anyway. I am not all that familiar with this topic anyway. User:King4057 21:50, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Cancer pain/GA2

Thanks for your comments there. Much appreciated. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 02:27, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Notability of academics

There are new posts on talk page for the notability of academics regarding the need for publicly available documents. NJ Wine (talk) 02:38, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Fringe, established facts and synthesis

In this discussion at WT:NOR it's not clear if you are aware that the point is whether we can use a source that doesn't mention a book to refute something in the book. I apologise if you were clear about this point, but I know that somehow I am not being clear enough myself to explain it, given some of the responses. Dougweller (talk) 14:38, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Authority Control Integration

Hi, I've been researching the intersection of Wikipedia and Authority Control, and have just recently made a Village Pump Proposal to create a bot to expand the usage of a template. I've identified you as someone in the sphere of interest to this project and would appreciate your input at the Village Pump. Thanks, Maximiliankleinoclc (talk) 18:37, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

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Whatwereyoudoing

...here? --Redrose64 (talk) 14:34, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Screwing up, from the looks of it. Thanks for cleaning up the mess I made. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:39, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Redrose, I bet you enjoyed that. JFW | T@lk 22:30, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Invitation

Seeing as you responded to ConcernedVancouverite inquiry at the RSN, I invite you to my own at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#A question:. I do wish to clarify on three things: 1) the journalist in question has the credentials and background establishing him AS an expert in the field, 2) a "financial interest" in the Shawn welling projects of which he wrote is minimal at best, and may not even exist at all. He has a much greater fianacial interest in the regular paychecks he gets as a jornalist, and 3) his reliability is worth consideration for more than just as sourcing awards from a film festival, as his writing about Shawn Welling's projects also brings the consideration of Welling being notable per WP:GNG and WP:FILMMAKER. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 05:14, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Lamia (D&D)

Hello, as you took part in the 1st AFD for Lamia (Dungeons & Dragons), which closed on "no consensus", I'm bringing to your attention that after a second AFD with the same result, a discussion on whether to merge or not has opened on the article talk page. BOZ (talk) 11:25, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

May I have your help with article naming, please?

Hello WAID. Not sure if I've ever stopped by to thank you for all your help with the project. My memory is getting fuzzy. So I will just say thank you for all your help with Wikipedia's operations over the years, especially your help with policies and guidelines. Anyhoo, a user is asking if we have a specific guideline that discusses the process for best determining an article's title. An article for an "apple" is easy, but other article titles are not so clear cut. Could you please chime in at Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab)#Research guidelines/tutorials for new editors? Thanks very much and thanks for your dedication to the projects. All the best. 64.40.54.184 (talk) 05:28, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. 64.40.54.55 (talk) 05:28, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Your opinion?

Hi WhatamIdoing. Would you mind dropping a quick note at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Words to watch#Weasel punctuation stating your opinion regarding the possibility to include a paragraph addressing misuse of punctuation in the guideline? Thanks, Waldir ^talk 19:24, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

WP:village pump (miscellaneous)#Renaming categories of ex-Project that are now task forces

Ping, you have replies. --George Ho (talk) 06:24, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Conflict of interest guideline

I've been really busy writing an op-ed for the Signpost, contributing to a new COI essay, looking at duplicating the AfC process for request edits (though that may be beyond my technical abilities) and having some pretty lengthy conversations with users interested in the subject of COI, where I feel we're all learning from each other and finding good compromises.

At the end of the day though, the COI guideline is the front and center quarterback and the RfC was unproductive. I actually thought the guideline was fine, until I started hearing all the questions from PR people and realized just how confusing it is. I thought I would poke around and see what the chances are of us organizing a posse to go through it line-by-line and just improve/clarify (not drastically change, but just improve). I'd be happy to help out as a sort of representative of the dark side. Am I just shooting for the moon here in thinking we can organize and mobilize? ;-)

See my similar suggestion to round up a posse with Ryan hereUser:King4057 (EthicalWiki) 22:56, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

If you tell everyone that you intend to go line by line, I wouldn't expect it to work. If you identify one problem and solve it (especially if that one problem is not in the lead), and then, after a pause, "just happen to" identify a second problem and solve it, and so forth, moving very slowly, then you might succeed, but it might take about a year. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:35, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

A year might be a good timeline. What do you think about going through it one problem at a time? ;-) I noticed a couple people tried to re-write the whole guideline - didn't work. User:King4057 (EthicalWiki) 02:15, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Trying to blow up everything won't work. One problem at a time is good.

One challenge with writing policies and guidelines is that specific phrases sometimes exist for particular purposes. Unless you've been hanging out with the page for a long while, you won't know which phrases are just words and which phrases are essentially magic anti-problem-user incantations. You might start at COI by trying to add something that's missing, rather than trying to remove or replace something. WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:49, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm actually thinking the COI guideline is intended to say that a person has a COI. It says "Editors who may have a COI... are allowed to make certain kinds of non-controversial edits..." This would seem to suggest that the editor that removes vandalism still has a COI, but their edits are permitted.

In any case, our ideas are pretty far flung in that the represent substantial changes, when there was consensus merely to improve the explanation of current policy, like you mentioned. I'm stumped on ideas on how to improve the clarity without changing it. Any thoughts? I've explained the loopholes and self-rationalization I don't like about the current definition. Do you find that these are problems as well? User:King4057 (EthicalWiki) 22:10, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

I don't know. At some level, even if I thought a perfect guideline were possible (and I don't), I'm not sure it would be worth it, because WP:Nobody reads the directions anyway.

"Editors who may have a conflict of interests" could be read as meaning "editors who want to advance their own real-life interests", or even an actual conflict in their own interests: as a member of this community who joined because of my interest in sharing knowledge, I'm interested in NPOV and MEDRS and encouraging newbies and collaborating with other editors; as (to give a common issue) an employee of _____, my interests might be in promoting my employer's image or making them seem like a good investment target or something like that, which might make me more interested in, say, providing potentially UNDUE details about their price/earnings ratio or whatever metric. WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:48, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

RE: Eyes

Now on my watchlist. Good job BTW. Cresix (talk) 01:49, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

VP proposals

I found your neither your ES nor the comment about your personal feelings to be particularly helpful. Perhaps if you could explain the relevance (if any) of your message to the proposal statement, I may be able to address your concerns. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:57, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Your proposal is: every time someone tags an article with a cleanup template, your bot spams a welcome-and-cleanup-notice message to the author's user talk page.

My concerns with your proposal include, but are not limited to:

1. How do I keep your bot from pestering me?
2. How does your bot figure out who is inexperienced (and thus might benefit from such a message)?
3. How will you handle tagbombing? That is, if someone tag-bombs an article with six different cleanup tags, are you going to have your bot spam six separate welcome-and-cleanup-messages on the poor user's talk page? Only provide notice of the tag at the top of the list? Use a vague "hey, there are some tags" notice? WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:29, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

The bots won't pester you if you will take the trouble to read the rules and create proper pages to start with - you've been around long enough to know how to create pages that won't be tagged, otherwise I fail to see how or why you merited a CEO's barnstar. Secondly - please read the proposal correctly before raising questions about solutions that are looking for a problem; sidetracking doesn't help the already flawed system of Wiki-style discussions. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:35, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

No, I don't: I do not know how to create a page that will never be tagged by any wandering idiot. Do you?

I did read your proposal. I do not support it, but my lack of support and my list of concerns about its potential for being disruptive does not mean that my concerns are irrelevant. WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:40, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

That

Another one for you. "He that is down needs fear no fall..." John Bunyan. Itsmejudith (talk) 11:30, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Excellent example. I've added it. Thanks. WhatamIdoing (talk) 14:55, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Note minor edit to your comment

I removed part of your comment, for what should be obvious reasons. It's your comment so if you take umbrage you are free to replace it and I won't object. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:^simple/_complex 11:03, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

I never replied to your comment here. Feel free if you're still interested, and you never have to ask to improve my prose, consider this a universal, standing invitation. WLU (t) (c) Wikipedia's rules:^simple/_complex 11:26, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

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HighBeam data

Hi, I saw your great tip on the HighBeam talk page about using the special:linksearch. You suggested someone with Toolserver access could do a retrospective search for March 20th to get data from before the accounts were given out. Do you know how I would go about that or who I would ask? Also, do you know how people are you getting the cumulative numbers from the special:linksearch, i.e. the 16,000? Thanks so much! p.s. missed you at Wikimania! maybe next year... Ocaasi ^{t | c} 15:57, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

I suspect that they're doing the linksearch (e.g., [7]) and simply paging through to the end. On the huge searches, it's faster to manually edit the URL: change the offset=500 to offset=15000 to start displaying at link number 15,000.

I'd have asked Δ (talk · contribs), who has Toolserver access, but he's banned, and I'm not sure how to reach him. Perhaps a request at WP:VPT would be fruitful? WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:37, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the offset tip! I asked at VPT, too. Cheers! Ocaasi ^{t | c} 17:15, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

WP:CHILD

Re your revert here, I beg to differ. What legal implications are there? Be specific. By adding that tag, you are stating that there is a law applicable to this issue: so what is it? I'm pretty hardline about this because we should not give the impression that we're legally obligated to take these steps, when in fact we are not. Risker (talk) 18:36, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

As I said on the talk page, we are legally obligated not to slander people by failing to "use neutral block summaries". WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:18, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

That means the block policy is a legal policy, then. If that's the standard you're going to use, almost half our policies would fall into the "legal policy" category. This is the template equivalent of "something someone made up in school one day" because the "official policy" template got deleted when this was the last policy in the category. If anything, this is a behavioural policy. Risker (talk) 19:22, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

It does not seem likely to me that we are going to come to any agreement. Perhaps, though, if you want to continue the discussion, it should happen at the policy's talk page? You could start by explaining there why you believe that there are no legal considerations associated with blocking alleged pedophiles. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:52, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Hello

The BitterGrey situation has been escalated to ANI. Just to let you know that I mentioned you in a post about the situation. You can find it here.[8]. Slp1 (talk) 13:40, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Follow up to your input at WP:RSN

Hey there, thank you for your reply at this RSN discussion. I think you might have missed the subtlety of what the issue is, it's probably my fault for not explaining properly in the first place. Could you please check back in there and take a look at my reply? (Not sure you have it watchlisted.) Appreciate it. Cheers... Zad68 02:16, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Updated refimprove documentation

Template:Refimprove/doc#Differences_from_.7B.7BUnreferenced.7D.7D_and_.7B.7BCitation_needed.7D.7D. Now we can add in AWB the feature to change the date stamp after changing the tag. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:05, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

That's all good news. Thanks. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:43, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Would love your feedback...

Hey WAID, I saw your discussion above with King and thought you might take a look at this draft proposal: WP:COICERT. It's an attempt to actually get COI editors to read the directions, by promoting them through their trade organizations. Very curious what you think and if you have any suggestions. Cheers! Ocaasi ^{t | c} 23:00, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

I've read the page. I think that some of the requirements, like a special sig, are a bit much. I think others are irrelevant in many situations, like spamming OTRS every time you want to make a change and can't get a response any other way. But basically I don't think it will work. You're clearly starting from the perspective that the community doesn't AGF, and you're hoping that by taking a bunch of steps, wearing four badges of shame, and sacrificing a chicken under a full moon, that editors will suddenly AGF... and I just don't think that's realistic.

Think of it this way: the "benefit" you're offering to a PR person for, say, Vector Marketing, is no different from the benefit that anyone could get by saying that they have no connection to the company and just happened to stumble across the page and thought that it sounded unfairly biased against the company. I think what the PR folks want is actual help, i.e., a way to convince the OWNers of that article that the article should not be dominated by criticism of business practices that were publicly discontinued several years ago, and whose criticism basically amounts to "wow, direct selling is a difficult, demanding, skilled job, and when they hand over a sample kit worth hundreds of dollars, they expected you to put down a refundable deposit, so that you would turn it back in instead of stealing it when you quit".

I don't believe that any of the proposals here will solve the problems that the PR editors at that article have encountered, so I don't see any incentive for them to engage in this process. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:14, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, I came to you for honest feedback and you didn't disappoint ;)

• Special sig requirements were just to make the COI disclosure unmissable.
• Contacting OTRS is sometimes irrelevant, I agree, but it is just a fallback if other forums fail.
• I take your 'won't work' criticism seriously and agree that some may view the protocol as 'badges of shame'; however, my hope was that in taking some constructive steps forward they could expect meaningful responses and good faith in return.
• You're right that PR folks want actual help, but I think what they want even more than that is to be treated with respect.
• Engagement is the key question, and my hope was somewhat top-down, that if I could get the major PR associations (PRSA, IABC, CIPR, WOMMA) to endorse the protocol that adoption would take care of itself. Hopefully, at the least, the protocol will enshrine a series of best practices and offer several members of the COI editing group as 'model citizens'. That won't change the root problem, but it will give others something to aspire to and hopefully ease some of the worst fears of the community by serving up examples of truly constructive and productive and ethical COI editors. In truth, no proposal can solve the 'bad actor' problem, and COI certification isn't really geared towards that group anyway. It's more of a lead from the front approach that will hopefully appeal to the grey area of editors who are interested but just uninformed. It would also give editors something to point to, as in 'hey, I see you're a COI editor; would you be willing to follow this list of best practices?' I hope that the protocol's mere existence will lead to improved behavior, but that might be wishful thinking.
• Anyway, thanks for your feedback. If you have any other suggestions, or even completely new ideas you think would be more effective, please let me know. Cheers! Ocaasi ^{t | c} 15:53, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

I wish that taking these steps, or any steps, would actually result in them being able to realistically "expect meaningful responses and good faith in return". But I think that we are bad at this, that the problem that needs to be solved is us, and our willingness to accept POV pushers and cowboys and people who don't understand that even-Steven isn't always neutral as being better than professionals. No amount of change on the part of the PR people is going to make us be competent, thoughtful, respectful, and well-informed about our own guidelines.

I suspect that the people most likely to be willing to follow this sort of advice are the ones least likely to cause us problems now, and I am not convinced that following this process will give them any actual benefit.

It might help if you could tell me what problem you're trying to solve.

The problem on my mind right now is the sizable fraction of our POV pushers who see COI as an effective `bludgeon for silencing people who disagree with them. By and large we let them get away with it. When you're talking about individuals, even an accusation can be hurtful. Consider, for example, an internet activist who was recently indef'd: he repeatedly accused two Wikipedians of conspiring together (on a question of sourcing) because supporting the mainstream POV on Wikipedia was somehow going to make one of them (an academic researcher in the field) wealthier. That's the kind of nasty environment we're dealing with, and nothing here even begins to address the problem.

So what problem do you want to see solved? Can you give me an example? WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:03, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi WAID! Sorry for the delayed response. I've been thinking about your question. First of all, the COI+ protocol is not a panacea. The good editors don't need it and the bad editors won't follow it. There is a huge middle ground, however, of people who are well meaning but ignorant or scared of Wikipedia. There is tremendous skepticism and even hostility among many experienced editors of the motives and behaviors of paid/PR/COI editors.

The primary purpose of the COI + agreements is to change the tone from mutual skepticism to opportunistic collaboration. The second purpose of the documents is to give both 'sides' a set of reasonable, practical steps they can simultaneously take to become better informed and better equipped to respond to situations that commonly arise. On the COI side, that involves first committing to our core content and behavior policies; it involves educating themselves about WP:PSCOI best practices; it involves clear and visible disclosure of their COI; and, it involves familiarizing themselves with the existing forums where their complaints can be raised. On the Wikipedia side, it involves treating COI editors with basic civility and not judging all COI editors by the actions of the worst. It opens the door to Wikipedians receiving constructive contributions from COI editors, but without doing so blindly.

The centerpiece of finding a middleground between 'Brightline' strictness and WP:COI vagueness is the Response Timeline. It sets out three tiers of engagement that should be pursued by COI editors. First 48 hours for talk page messages, edit requests, or help pages. Then 1 week for noticeboards or AfC. Then 1 month for OTRS. If, after that period a COI editor has still received no response, then they can make an edit directly, provided they leave a note on the talk page and at the COI noticeboard. This solves multiple problems. The first is it transforms ignorance and fear into knowledge and opportunity. The second is it moves COI editors and Wikipedia editors closer to working from the same set of agreements. The third is it encourages mutual respect and dialogue. The fourth is it leverages our existing forums for resolving COI issues. The fifth is it sets a clear timeline for action which is more constructive than WP:COI and less restrictive that 'Brightline'.

I hope I'm not sounding vague. This is indeed a big picture approach and it will not eliminate the worst case scenarios. It's not perfect, but I think it's more clear and practical better than our existing guidance. It will hopefully bridge a huge gap that exists between paid editors and Wikipedians who are fearful or skeptical of them.

My big concern at the moment is that PR organizations--major, influential national groups--are expressing serious interest in COI+. Before they start publicly promoting and endorsing the document, I want to make sure it has been thoroughly exposed to community comment, scrutiny, suggestions, etc. The question I just raised on the COI+ talk page is what question would an RfC be designed to answer. I would love your suggestions for how to structure that discussion. Cheers!

I'll think about the RFC question.

Have you directly contacted the OTRS folks and asked them if they're willing to be your fallback position? Last I heard, they were barely keeping up with their workload, so I am concerned that they might be very irritated to be unilaterally "volunteered" to have their scope expanded. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:07, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

That's a great question, and just the kind I need to make this document more sound. I am an OTRS volunteer with access to the english queues. We very frequently receive questions from paid editors, as does the en-help channel or irc, as does AfC, as do {edit requests}. OTRS would not supplant those options, it would actually run concurrently with them. I know from my experience in OTRS, that unless there is an explicit libel/defamation claim, the issues are typically just kicked back down to the community with some links to the appropriate forums. So I agree that making OTRS seem like the final option is sub-optimal, but it is sometimes the only way people can get a response. If talk pages, help pages, edit requests, and noticeboards all fail, then OTRS is an appropriate option, I think. I will be happy to email the OTRS mailing list and request feedback about this. I'm glad you raised the concern. Ocaasi ^{t | c} 16:17, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

bstar

		The Special Barnstar
		Thanks for the advice! ObtundTalk 04:48, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome. I hope that my vague comment at WT:GAN has pointed you in a helpful direction. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:43, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Your beaches might be better than ours..

But our beer is far superior :). Sucks that we're not going to run into each other! Ironholds (talk) 20:49, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

FAC/Cancer pain

Hi WhatamIdoing. Just letting you know I've nominated Cancer pain: Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Cancer_pain/archive1. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 07:26, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Good luck! WhatamIdoing (talk) 14:53, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

I pulled it because Axl and I turned up a lot of missing stuff. But I thoroughly enjoyed the process and will be taking it back once I've plundered a few more textbooks. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 08:32, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Add teahouse to welcome template?

As you were involved in a previous discussion regarding this issue, I am informing you of a new discussion proposing that the Teahouse be linked from the Welcome template(s). The discussion can be found here. KillerChihuahua^?!? 00:03, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Susan G. Komen for the Cure

I notice in Susan G. Komen for the Cure you've removed all mention of Karen Handel. Seems to me her role in the Planned Parenthood debacle is significant enough to warrant inclusion. I'm no expert on the topic and am happy to defer, but I was wondering what your thoughts are on this. --JaGa^talk 03:16, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

I think that we're giving this one-week media frenzy too much attention as it is. Many recent news articles like this don't even mention her. (The ones about Handel's book deal do, but not the ones about Komen and PP providing mammograms.) A decade from now, I expect this trivial incident will just be one short paragraph in this article (and whatever new scandal will get a long section). WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:57, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Bigger picture

Hi. I hope you're considering board membership of WM:MED. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 08:28, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

I am not. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:53, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

That's a pity. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 20:53, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

More from the reliable sources post concerning IMDB

Hello "WhatamIdoing" and thanks for your reply in that section. Perhaps you can help me put this article to rest at last.

The Article is Leigh Christian. I am confused on how to continue there to make it right. It was my first Article, and the one year anniversary of it is this week. If one were to Google her, the pages are endless. However, no one has written a book about her so her Bio and acting credits are from what ever website decided to post them. The small bio section I wrote on her is knowledge from my personal relationship with her spanning over three decades. The film credits however, speak for themselves. Would you please take a look at the Article and advise me on my next moves to fix this? I'm exhausted from it...lol. I'll never write another Hollywood article...learned my lesson. I'll put your talk page on my watchlist so you can reply here. Thanks.... Pocketthis (talk) 13:00, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I think what's really wanted is citations for the biography, not for the film credits. So you said there are lots of websites out there. Do any of them include any of the biographical information? WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:10, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks. Tiny bits and pieces here and there, but nothing as elaborate as my description or IMDB's. What I'll do is email her and ask her if she is personally aware of any sites that might have such Bio info. If there are non, I will return to the article; delete the bio section, remove the Tag, and put it behind me until her Bio comes out for the new movie she just completed. The film company is setting up a Network Website with a Bio for all the cast members. I'll keep you posted. :) Pocketthis (talk) 15:24, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

  Even tiny bits and pieces might get what you want. That tag can be removed as soon as you have just one source named that isn't IMDB, even if it's for some tiny bit of information. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:03, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Thanks again.....I've emailed her and asked her to refer me to the best site she is aware of besides IMDB that has Bio info on it. I'm done doing the Google-ing. She is away working right now, but usually replies within a few days. Thanks for all your help. :) Pocketthis (talk) 16:34, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

    Keep in mind that WP:There is no deadline. It's okay if it takes even a couple of weeks to get this settled. Oh, and if you're talking to her, you might ask if there's ever been an article about her in her local newspaper. That's often considered a "gold-plated" reliable source. Good luck, WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:40, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

• There has been plenty of Newspaper articles. She had full page press in the Hollywood Reporter in the early 80s. However, "None" was Bio info.

All were stories about work related to current TV or a Film she was in. I'll have to ask her about local press back in her home State when she contacts me. As far as the 'Deadline' is concerned...."I've" set it. This thing has dragged on for an entire year, and I want it behind me. Perhaps I'll play around with Google a bit more today; since you have enlightened me to the fact that its BIO info and not Credits we are seeking. Thanks Pocketthis (talk) 17:08, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Chuckle

[9] NTox · talk 05:22, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I figured that we probably didn't want people thinking "User:Booze" or "User:Porn" when they read that policy. With any luck, my "undiscussed change" won't be reverted over my failure to obtain written permission before changing that "core policy". WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:08, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Ping

Hi. In case you're not watching meta: m:Talk:Wikimedia Medicine#Conference call. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 00:31, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Outside editors telling a WikiProject what they can't include within their scope

Hi, WhatamIdoing. You have stated more than once that it is up to a WikiProject to determine what is and what isn't within their scope. Well, take a look at what is happening at Talk:Tom Cruise#LGBT Project. Outside editors, some who regularly hang out at the WP:BLP noticeboard, where this discussion is also taking place, are telling the editors of Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT studies that they can't tag the Tom Cruise talk page with their LGBT banner. They are misusing WP:BLPCAT and the whole thing has gotten ridiculous. Care to weigh in, since you are good at explaining this type of thing? 134.255.247.88 (talk) 07:18, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

I've WP:CLOSEd the discussion. Naturally, you should expect anyone who doesn't know WP:How to lose to revert it and pitch a fit. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:12, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. And, yep, I see what you're talking about on the latter part.[10][11] Good grief. 134.255.247.88 (talk) 17:40, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reverting page

If you aren't still watching this page, you might want to know that an editor has been making changes to it. It would be best if you or others could look over any changes this editor makes to the page to ensure that there are no drastic changes to it without discussion. The editor has only taken an interest in editing the page after a dispute with another editor about wholesale reverting. I've already reverted the editor once. The editor has added this back, which I feel is inappropriate because the editor is telling others that they need to make sure that they are not reverting any constructive edits while reverting a mess. 109.123.82.246 (talk) 07:32, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)

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Coatrack

Please read/join in the discussion at Talk:Rod Zimmer, a new voice would be much appreciated. I know there's a lot there but it's pretty much the same two people going back and forth. --208.38.59.161 (talk) 23:20, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

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Just to be clear

... since I've probably come across as trying to offer resistance ... this makes perfect sense. We need to have tools so that this isn't an annoying waste of time. It's not up to me which tools those are, but we need tools. - Dank (push to talk) 19:17, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

A wild barnstar appears...

		The Socratic Barnstar
		Hello, WhatamIdoing. I just felt compelled to leave a barnstar, after I read this comment you made. Cheers.  Chickenmonkey  23:03, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm a little frustrated with the WikiProject wars right now. Between people trotting out BLP as a justification for censoring WikiProject LGBT studies' (and only WikiProject LGBT studies) support of some articles, and then someone reviving the infobox war, it's been a week. (Maybe it's not just a persecutory delusion. Maybe there really is a conspiracy and they really are out to get me... ) WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:13, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Wow, I just read the Tom Cruise/WikiProject LGBT studies discussion(s), and two things: it's ridiculous, and you deserve several more barnstars.  Chickenmonkey  01:06, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the sympathetic comment. It made my day. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:04, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

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I've made a suggestion at Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#libertarian_perspectives_on_abortion - given that we've got an experienced editor under the accusation it would be great to a) sensible opinion from other experienced editors and b) let this be a shining example of consensus-building on the COI board (we've had a good run recently...) Fayedizard (talk) 21:56, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

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Hey WhatamIdoing. I'm dropping you a note because you used to (or still do!) patrol new pages. This is just to let you know that we've deployed and developed Page Curation, which augments and supersedes Special:NewPages - there are a lot of interesting new features :). There's some help documentation here if you want to familiarise yourself with the system and start using it. If you find any bugs or have requests for new features, let us know here. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 12:59, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Hot Cat discussion at VPP

Thank you for your interest in the discussion at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Proposal:_enable_HotCat_for_all_editors_by_default. Please note that I have now proposed 5 different, more nuanced versions of the original suggestion, to better gauge to what level (if any) we are willing to make Hot Cat more accessible. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 16:39, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

hey i've never had a wikipedia account do u think that i could talk with u on here if i need help?

sexitay;*p 17:27, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

PC RfC

Thanks for your efforts to improve my draft. We've actually moved on: some elements of my draft have already been incorporated into the main RfC page itself, where all changes are now taking place. Sorry for the confusion. (I'll mark my draft historical or something.) Please do take a look at the main RfC page, and if you see something egregious please fix it. If it's a major substantive change, we can still discuss it, but I'm sort of hoping to get the RfC started this weekend. (I should probably say right up front that I wouldn't be thrilled with something along these lines but would be more than happy to talk about it.) Rivertorch (talk) 07:04, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Ping2

Hi. In case you miss my note at WT:MED, we're discussing, among other things, COI and Wikimedia Medicine at User talk:Iridescent. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 01:49, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Modification to May PC be applied to pages to protect against violations of the policy on biographies of living persons (WP:BLP)?

Hello. Because the "Yes" section was split between one group in favor of applying protection to all articles and one group in favor of applying protection to articles only when there has been a problem, I have split the section to reflect this difference. Please go back to that page and make sure that your vote is still in the section that most closely reflects your views. Sven Manguard Wha? 16:17, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Imdb website

One of my biographical articles had a statement from a wikipedian that the imdb website was an inadequate one to use as a reference. The actress in question, Nancy Everhard, has never given an interview of any kind and has no fan-site, so has no other suitable refs, yet she featured as a guest character on innumerable TV series of the 80s and 90s and was already featured on the German wikipedia before I started her English wikipedia page, so is, imo, notable. What's your own stance re imdb? Thanks.

If she has never given an interview or had any independent reliable source publish anything about her, then she does not qualify for an article on the English Wikipedia, no matter how many television shows she was in. WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:26, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I may be able to use some other refs on the german wikipedia entry, we'll see. Vorlon19

Good luck. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:33, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

WikiWomen's Collaborative

WikiWomen Unite!

Hi WhatamIdoing! Women around the world who edit and contribute to Wikipedia are coming together to celebrate each other's work, support one another, and engage new women to also join in on the empowering experience of shaping the sum of all the world's knowledge - through the WikiWomen's Collaborative. As a WikiWoman, we'd love to have you involved! You can do this by: Liking the WikiWomen's Collaborative on Facebook and share your tips, projects, and connect with other WikiWomen Join the conversation on our Twitter feed Reading and writing for our blog channel We can't wait to have you involved, and feel free to drop by our meta page (under construction) to see how else you can get involved! Can't wait to have you involved! SarahStierch (talk) 18:03, 5 October 2012 (UTC) (UTC)

Hi WhatamIdoing, I removed a see also link

Hi WhatamIdoing, I removed a see also link. I guess I didn't mention that in the edcit summary. Sorry about that. --Malerooster (talk) 17:12, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

My question is really why you removed it. Komen is one of the most important promoters of this symbol, so it seems quite relevant. WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:32, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Per WP:seealso, it is already linked above, so there is no need to duplicate it in that section. Ideally, there should be no see also section. I hope that helps. --Malerooster (talk) 20:10, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

I didn't realize that it was already linked above. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:08, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

No problem. I should have mentioned that in my edit summary. --Malerooster (talk) 01:04, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello WhatamIgoing, Thank you for taking the time to do a GA review on maternal sensitivity. Your suggestions have been taken into consideration and changes have been made. Please take a look at the article at your convenience and let us know if any further edits are necessary. Thanks again! R-Bot6 (talk)