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ContentEditman

ContentEditman is warned about edit warring, particularly making repeated reverts without meaningful talkpage collaboration. ~Awilley (talk) 03:26, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

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Request concerning ContentEditman

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Xenagoras (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 04:38, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: ContentEditman (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log
Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Discretionary sanctions (1932 cutoff) : 24-hr BRD cycle enacted on Tulsi Gabbard. "If a change you make to this article is reverted, you may not reinstate that change unless you discuss the issue on the talk page and wait 24 hours (from the time of the original edit). Partial reverts/reinstatements that reasonably address objections of other editors are preferable to wholesale reverts."

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

03:02, 22 February 2020 fully reinstated a challenged [1] major change to a BLP without explaining it or discussing it on talk page. Large parts of that material had already been challenged before this incident on talk (alternatively see also one exemplary diff).
17:56, 23 February 2020 regards the same material as above. Again fully reinstated a challenged [2] [3] major change to a BLP without explaining it or discussing it on talk page.

The user's edit history on the talk page [4] shows that he never discussed the material which I challenged before or after I reverted it on 02:39, 22 February 2020. I gave detailed explanations about my objections (diff) to that material before and after I reverted it and I notified [5] user ContentEditman about his problematic edits and asked him to self-revert [6], but to no avail. Xenagoras (talk) 04:38, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Seraphimblade: et al.: in the meanwhile, ContentEditman and MrX have written about my objections to their material. ContentEditman wrote, "As I said before MrXs edits were well written and supported. You, Xenagoras, said it violated just about every rule at Wikipedia. When I asked you to explain what and how it violated you never responded with anything supporting your claims." [7] ContentEditman refers to his edit [8], which was his reply to my edit [9]. It appears to me that ContentEditman did not notice my previous objections which can be read among my earlier comments on the article talk page [10]. Xenagoras (talk) 16:49, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months [11].

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

User ContentEditman twice falsely accused me of edit warring [12] [13] and requested me to use the talk page (which I always do [14]) although he never discusses his reverts himself.

I am not sure if the following is appropriate to be described here. If not, please advise me where to put it. User MrX supported [15] user ContentEditman in his ignoring of my objections to the challenged material, which is perhaps related to MrX also fully reinstating 22:01, 22 February 2020‎ the same challenged [16] [17] material as described above and ignoring my objections (diff) to it (see above and [18] and [19]). Xenagoras (talk) 04:38, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Black Kite , regarding your remark [20] about my 02:08, 1 February edit: My preceding edit was 74 hours earlier on 00:19, 29 January (diff list) and added one ref and one sentence to the lead. Then MrX made a major change via an edit series which affected several sections on 13:24, 31 January. My follow-up edit to MrX on 1 Feb aimed at creating WP:EDITCONSENSUS (see also WP:BRB) by analyzing what MrX changed and his edit summaries and trying a different edit to see whether that will be accepted, and by using clear edit summaries myself. It was an edit to create a compromise among the wishes of MrX, Humanengr, myself and other editors. My 1 Feb edit partially restored material from several editors, moved some content (to address weight objections) and added several sources with refs to satisfy MrX' requests for better sources [21], [22], [23]. After my 1 Feb edit, MrX and me had a discussion about the material for the article lead. Then ContentEditman fully reinstated MrX' article version on 21:16, 1 February. After that I continued the discussion with MrX and ContentEditman, which resulted in me again adapting to objections on 13:44, 2 February. MrX followed with his adaptions on 14:21, 2 February. Xenagoras (talk) 15:21, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Doug Weller , I didn't reply because the other editor's last paragraph said "Stop." which seemed to indicate that they wished not any further interaction. I replied today. Xenagoras (talk) 15:23, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the advice, Doug Weller. Xenagoras (talk) 00:20, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Awilley , you wrote, "to prove a BRD violation you need to provide two diffs of ContentEditman adding/removing the same material twice without discussing on the talk page." [24] The WP:BRD discretionary sanction violation is not the only problem. When viewing MrX' and ContentEditman's edits together, it appears they circumvent the WP:1RR discretionary sanction by making the same changes four times inside 52 hours. Please have a look at the list of their edits/restores (marked bold) and comments (marked italic) below. The list contains pertinent article talk and user talk interactions between Xenagoras / ContentEditman and between Xenagoras / MrX. Several other editors also raised objections against the edits of ContentEditman / MrX. At 23 February 18:01, after two full restores, ContentEditman talked the only time [25]. If anyone has problems with the content or layout of the following list, please advise me how to improve it.

talk history of ContentEditman.
21 February 14:03 MrX made a major change via an edit series.
22 February 01:55 Xenagoras talks. (links to previous talk [26]).
22 February 02:04 Xenagoras talks.
22 February 02:17 MrX talks.
22 February 02:36 Xenagoras talks to MrX. (links to previous talk [27]).
22 February 02:39 Xenagoras reverts. (edit summary links [28] which links previous talk [29]).
22 February 03:02 ContentEditman fully restores.
22 February 03:21 MrX talks.
22 February 03:46 SharabSalam re-reverts.
22 February 03:53 SharabSalam talks.
22 February 04:22 SharabSalam talks.
22 February 05:23 Xenagoras talks to ContentEditman (notifies about WP:REVEXP).
22 February 22:01 MrX re-restores.
23 February 16:48 Xenagoras talks. (links to WP:RSN [30])
23 February 16:51 Xenagoras re-re-reverts. (edit summary links [31] which links WP:RSN [32]).
23 February 17:05 MrX talks.
23 February 17:56 ContentEditman re-re-restores.
23 February 18:01 ContentEditman talks.
25 February 17:54 Xenagoras talks to ContentEditman (notifies about discretionary sanctions, policy violations, asks for self-revert).
2 March 04:23 Xenagoras talks. (request for discussion about all unanswered objections).
2 March 18:01 ContentEditman talks.

As his talk history shows, ContentEditman did not explain his first restore and he did not discuss my objections (see also [33] which links to there, and [34]). Other editors had objections as well. And he didn't explain or discuss my objections [35] at his second restore either. All he did was writing, "Saying someone is violating policy means noting if you do not articulate what they have violated. MrXs edits seem well written and supported, even on the TALK as well." [36] ContentEditman displayed a similar pattern several weeks earlier:

31 January 13:24 MrX made a major change via an edit series.
1 February 21:16 ContentEditman fully restores MrX' changes with "discussing" via, "a lot of what you added was promotional and not fitting for a WP:BLP." [37]
2 February 14:21 MrX partially re-restores his own changes.

Xenagoras (talk) 20:43, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Awilley:, @El C:, et al.: I updated the chronology list above to be more detailed about edits/reverts/restores and pertinent article talk and user talk interaction between Xenagoras / ContentEditman and Xenagoras / MrX. I hope this gives more clarity about what occurred. If anyone needs more info or wants the list changed, please advise me. Xenagoras (talk) 00:09, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Seraphimblade , after Zezen responded [38] on my talk page to my email, I recognized from their words, especially their last paragraph, "Stop." , that I made a mistake in my way of communicating with Zezen that bothered them. From this I assumed, Zezen was so bothered by me that they wished not any further interaction with me. Today I apologized [39] to Zezen, which they accepted. From Zezen's response to my email I also learned on the WP:CANVASS page which Zezen linked, why Wikipedia defines that my email was a mistake. I was not yet familiar with dispute resolution procedures and was not aware that an unsolicited invitation to participate in a discussion is not an allowed way to get an uninvolved editor to give their opinion on a stuck dispute. I acknowledge my mistake, which is why everybody can until today still read about it on my talk page. When I sent that email, on another article I was in a stuck dispute with MrX and WMSR, which seemed unsolvable by both discussion [40] and complaint 1 [41] and complaint 2 [42]. After reading a lot about the ways of dispute resolution, two weeks ago I started my first RfC as a way to solve a content dispute elsewhere. My first RfC ended with a rough consensus [43]. And today I am here to attempt to solve another stuck dispute by asking uninvolved administrators to asses the situation. I am asking for help in overcoming the problem that certain editors behave as if Wikipedia's rules do not apply to them. MrX' encouraging [44] ContentEditman to continue to ignore all my objections to their edits seems to be a deliberate effort of both editors to not communicate and instead violate the 24h-BRD discretionary sanction and to circumvent the 1RR sanction, as I laid out [45] to Awilley in the paragraph above. And I ask for fairness. I received a 31 hour block [46] for inadvertently failing to make an uninterrupted edit series when my edit got interrupted once by 14 minutes by MrX. But MrX did not receive a block [47] when his edit series was interrupted two times by 16 minutes. My goal has always been to adhere to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines to my best ability, and I aim to continue to improve my edits and my conduct. Xenagoras (talk) 02:50, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

El C , in my opinion, there are several problems with ContentEditman's response [48].

ContentEditman writes, "I did not violate the 1rr." When viewing MrX' and ContentEditman's identical edits together, it appears they circumvent the WP:1RR discretionary sanction by making the same changes four times inside 52 hours [49] [50] [51] [52]. See the Awilley paragraph above [53].
ContentEditman writes that I had "a history of edit warring." He accuses me of severe misbehavior without evidence.
He writes that I had "a history of not editing in good faith." He should avoid accusing other editors of bad faith without clear evidence.
He uses a complaint against me from ANI, but that complaint was created via casting aspersions against me to mischaracterize my actions as deserving of sanction.
He proposes that "maybe Xenagoras should, at minimum, be topic blocked from American Politics." He is mischaracterizing other editors' actions to make them seem unreasonable, improper, or deserving of sanction. Xenagoras (talk) 14:14, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@El C: et al.: per March 11, ContentEditman still has not responded to my objections, neither to the summary of my objections [54], nor to the detailed explanation [55] [56]. Everything he said so far was "MrXs edits were well written": [57] and "MrX' edits were well sourced" (plus some off-topic ramblings) [58]. ContentEditman clearly failed to WP:COMMUNICATE, which is not surprising because MrX encouraged [59] ContentEditman to continue to ignore my objections. I also find it unacceptable that he accused me of severe misconduct without evidence and that he accused me of editing in bad faith without evidence. Xenagoras (talk) 20:52, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Seraphimblade: et al: MrX' response has several problems.

MrX attempts to defend ContentEditman by writing [60] that "WP:BRD is an essay", thereby implying that this editing restriction is not required to be followed. This ignores the fact that an administrator defined the "24-hr BRD cycle" to be a discretionary sanction of the article and the article's talk page defines, "If you breach the restriction on this page, you may be blocked or otherwise sanctioned." It is worrisome that MrX does not see discretionary sanctions on articles as required to follow.
MrX writes [61], "Levivich's analysis lacks depth and insight. The Tulsi Gabbard article should..." One example of article WP:OWNERSHIP is, "the owner may patronize other editors, ... claiming that they lack the deep understanding of the subject necessary."
He rejects Levivich's rule proposal, "because it advantages drive-by reverting by users." WP:OWNERSHIP states, "work submitted to Wikipedia can be edited ... by anyone", also by editors who "drive-by".
MrX writes, certain editors "are here for the sole purpose of promoting and maintaining a flattering image for a subject." This is casting aspersions against editors by accusing them without evidence of systematically and purposefully violating WP:NPOV. This also is MrX failing to assume good faith.
He writes, Levivich's proposal would advantage "gaming by users." This is casting aspersions against editors by accusing them without evidence of WP:GAMING the system.
He writes, he "strongly suspects ... that the Tulsi Gabbard topic area has been affected by 2-3 overzealous editors who likely work for Gabbard in some capacity. One of these editors is probably her congressional chief of staff." This is tendentious editing, because WP:POVFIGHTER states, "If you see it as your mission to protect article content from the POV overzealousness of liberals (or another political leaning) who don't care about Wikipedia policy, you are as POV as they are." MrX' accusations against "2-3 overzealous editors who likely work for Gabbard" is casting aspersions against editors by accusing them of being paid to write a "flattering image" into a BLP. And MrX also fails to assume good faith, because such paid editing would constitute an undeclared conflict of interest. Recently, MrX has used a different article's talk page to accuse [62] also other editors of being paid to promote a point of view by claiming, "A bunch of newly minted user accounts are using Wikipedia to astroturf." See astroturfing. Xenagoras (talk) 03:10, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

ContentEditman notification.

MrX also received a notification.

Discussion concerning ContentEditman

Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.

Statement by ContentEditman

I did not violate the 1rr as you can see even by even Xenagoras listings above. I also have posted several times on the TALK page for this and other topics. Xenagoras was even asked to articulate his so called visitations but never did. He on the other hand has a history of edit warring and not editing in good faith. There is an active complaint against him now here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Xenagoras_-_WP:NOTHERE I believe this falls under WP:boomerang and maybe Xenagoras should, at minimum, be topic blocked from American Politics. He also seems to be WP:CANVAS on this topic when he did not get his way on the TALK page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Xenagoras#Your_spamming_via_WikiMedia_Email ContentEditman (talk) 17:57, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Levivich (ContentEditman)

Feb 21 MrX makes a series of edits
Feb 22 02:39 Xenagoras reverts
Feb 22 03:02 ContentEditman restores
Feb 22 03:46 another editor re-reverts
Feb 22 22:01 MrX re-restores
Feb 23 16:51 Xenagoras re-re-reverts
Feb 23 17:56 ContentEditman re-re-restores

Same article Jan 31–Feb 2:

Jan 31 MrX makes a series of edits to the lead
Feb 1 02:08 Xenagoras reverts
Feb 1 21:16 ContentEditman restores
Feb 2 13:44 Xenagoras re-reverts
Feb 2 14:21 MrX re-restores

WP:BRD should be followed. Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 07:39, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There's also this exchange in the "2020 presidential campaign" section:

Jan 31 An editor adds content
Feb 5 MrX reverts
Feb 5 A different editor adds similar content
Feb 6 ContentEditman re-reverts

In this case, MrX and ContentEditman are on the other side of BRD – they are reverting other editors' bold additions, with edit summaries pointing to the talk page. That should also have happened with the first set of diffs above, as well.

There is a loophole in Enforced BRD: If an edit you make is reverted you must discuss on the talk page and wait 24 hours before reinstating your edit. Some editors unfortunately intepret this to mean that the way to go about things is to make an edit and if it's reverted, wait 24 hours and then re-instate it. Or, that if another editor's edit is reverted, it's OK to reinstate it, because it's not your edit. Neither approach is productive. The loophole should be closed and the Enforced BRD language should be modified to say If an edit is reverted do not reinstate that edit without talk page consensus. Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 03:03, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by MrX

As far as I know, I have not violated the page editing restrictions and I'm not aware that anyone else has, at least not recently. At first blush, I don't think Xenagoras' evidence supports the second restriction being violated by ContentEditman.

Levivich's list of diffs merely shows some reverts. It does not make the case that an editing restriction was violated. WP:BRD is an essay; the editing restriction says "If an edit you make is reverted you must discuss on the talk page and wait 24 hours before reinstating your edit."

My comment on ContentEditman's page, which I guess you could describe as "support", was made because Xenagoras has a habit of trying to resolve content disputes by posting scary sounding warnings and templated warnings on multiple editors' talk pages.[63][64][65][66][67][68]

Curiously, Xenagoras accuses me of ignoring his objections (posted a few hours ago while I was sleeping!).[69] In fact, it is a compilation of complaints that I have already thorough responded, having made 44 comments on the talk page in the last month.[70] - MrX 🖋 11:56, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Response to Levivich's enforced BRD plan and analysis

Levivich's analysis lacks depth and insight. The Tulsi Gabbard article should absolutely not be subjected to the deprecated "enforced BRD" restriction because it advantages drive-by reverting and gaming by users who are here for the sole purpose of promoting and maintaining a flattering image for a subject. Enforced BRD has been tried in the past, and it has mostly been a failure. Why use the talk page if you can simply create a new account, or edit from an IP, and remove content that you don't like?

Speaking very generally, I strongly suspect (and I'm not the only one who does) that the Tulsi Gabbard topic area has been affected by 2-3 overzealous editors who likely work for Gabbard in some capacity. One of these editors is probably her congressional chief of staff. If true, that is a problem for Wikipedia's integrity, and it would be further harmed by placing lopsided restrictions on editing. If the goal is to communicate to devoted editors that Wikipedia is not worthy of being defended, then such a restriction would would certainly help accomplish that. - MrX 🖋 12:19, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by JzG

Per Levivich, the onus is on the editor seeking to include disputed material, to achieve consensus for its inclusion. And now that's clear, everyone can go to the talk page and settle this nicely please. I hope we don't need to start wielding cudgels at what is really quite an early stage here. Guy (help!) 14:20, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Humanengr

In his Statement, ContentEditman claims "I … have posted several times on the TALK page”. While literally true (he has written on the Talk page), he does not engage in productive communication. Of his 12 total posts, 5 merely repeat or say 'MrX is right' in terms of vague generalities (here, here, here, here, and here). Further evidence of failure to communicate is ContentEditman's misdirection and non-responsiveness to issues raised by other discussants:

1) Re the content issue Awilley remarked on (last sentence), ContentEditman misdirected repeatedly in response to my edit.

(For context, the 'Political positions' § has an 'LGBT rights' subsection. As of 2/18, it had 2 paras, the first recounting Gabbard's support at age 17 for her father’s conservative activism and then similar activity at 23 as freshman state legislator in 2004. Both the age 17 and 23 material are also in Early life §; the age 23 material also in Hawaii House §. I saw the need to copy edit to remove duplication, reorder, and include a brief statement of present political position at the start as in other candidates' position statements. If my edit shows I misunderstood WP:BOLD re ‘copy edit’, kindly advise. Also, as the issues of ordering, duplication, etc., of LGBT content and equal treatment of candidates are raised here only as context re ContentEditman's behavior, I ask that those issues be considered apart from the current discussion.)

ContentEditman reverted saying "… This was discussed on the TALK page in depth. …" On Talk, I asked where the issue of "… starting the political positions section … with material from 21 years ago when she was a minor child that duplicates material … included elsewhere in the bio?” had been discussed. ContentEditman responded that there had been but did not point to discussion that addressed my question. (MrX responded similarly; I asked again; MrX responded without pointing to a discussion that addressed my question; ContentEditman did not respond.)

At that point The Four Deuces remarked, “… We don't start the political positions sections of Hillary Clinton and Elizabeth Warren with what they once believed when they were conservative Republicans or Trump when he was a liberal Democrat”. ContentEditman's response misdirected in multiple ways — TFD's example indicated positions that were not just older but also contrary; the Gabbard § was not the Political positions § but the LGBT subsection. (See also Xenagoras's critique.)

2) In response to BurroBert's request to include material on the "the effect of her military experience on her policies", [emphasis added] ContentEditman misdirected by responding that "her military career" was already covered.

3) ContentEditman asserted "I don't see her calling herself Asian" in response to my comment where I had written "The source was the first citation, Gabbard's house.gov site (not the campaign site), which states 'A practicing Hindu, she is of Asian, Polynesian, and Caucasian descent.'" [emphasis added]

4) ContentEditman's response to Xenagoras ignored the central part of the criticism that MrX "repeatedly removed [links to] Gabbard's current pro-LGBT stance from the lead to leave only her obsolete anti-LGBT stance in the lead to misrepresent a living person."

5) ContentEditman's response to Xenagoras failed to address any of the substantive points made in response to MrX.

6) In response to a comment on the lack of a statement in the introductory paragraph that "Tulsi is a candidate for president in the 2020 election", said, "There is already language in the lead about her running for president." [emphasis added] Introductory paragraph ≠ lead.

@El C: I see the above as a clear failure to communicate in the form of repetition, misdirecting, and denying reality (#3 above). Humanengr (talk) 23:50, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As noted above, ContentEditman made 12 posts on Talk. I addressed 9 which were vague generalities in support of MrX and/or misdirections and failures to address concerns. Of the remaining three posts by ContentEditman 1) one more mimics arguments made by MrX; 2) another was a vote on an RfC that mimics language in MrX's vote; and 3) the last was a statement in support of a revert for which Xenagoras has now requested explanation, noting that it violated WP:FEEDBACK. It also violates WP:PARTR and WP:BATHWATER and seemingly relies in part on WP:OR by two IPs, here and here. That's ALL 12 posts.

Re ContentEditman's edits, one is covered above and the other six do not introduce any new content but are for the sake of enforcing edits/reverts by MrX. Humanengr (talk) 06:02, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Result concerning ContentEditman

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I agree with Levivich. The onus on retention is on those wishing to introduce new changes. Anyway, if ContentEditman is failing to communicate, then sanctions, up to and including a topic ban are on the table. Will wait until ContentEditman responds to this complaint. El_C 08:37, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but for whatever reason (which I can no longer recall, even), I have not followed up with this request. Other reviewing admins should proceed to conclude it as they see fit, absent my view. I highly doubt I will be able to catch up with the material here before this request is closed. El_C 15:19, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Levivich and El C: However, I think Levivich's timeline is misleading. He states that Mr.X "made a number of edits on January 31", but actually, much of that was a revert of material added by Xenagoras and Humanengr between 29 and 31 January. This flips the issue and makes Xenagoras' edit the re-instatement, which I'm guessing is exactly why they waited 25 hours from the 31 January edit before making it. As usual with AP, no-one looks great here, to be honest. Black Kite (talk) 10:57, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It takes more than one to make an edit war, and here, I don't see a clear case of one against many. This appears to be a content dispute. We have ways to settle those if those involved can't come to agreement, but ideally, those ways should include neither "Engage in an edit war" nor "Drag someone to AE." Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 21:30, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Xenagoras, while all that may be, surely you're aware that canvassing is not allowed either? If you're going to accuse others of breaches, I would also be interested in your response to that. If you're canvassing by email, you're hardly in the clear here either. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 20:43, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm concerned about User talk:Xenagoras#Your spamming via WikiMedia Email. I note that Xenagoras did not reply. Doug Weller talk 12:54, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Xenagoras I accept your reply. If someone posts to your talk page, you can always reply and sometimes as in this case should. If you are asked not to post to someone else's talk page, it's usually a good idea not to. Doug Weller talk 11:19, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As usual there are no clean hands here. To prove a BRD violation you need to provide two diffs of ContentEditman adding/removing the same material twice without discussing on the talk page. The diffs provided by the OP only show instances of ContentEditman restoring edits made by others. Usually this kind of mistake is made because an older editor who has been in the topic area for a long time has conflated the "BRD" rule with the "Consensus required" rule. But that clearly can't be the case here, since User:Xenagoras is a new user who registered this account in August 2019, and AFAICT hasn't made any significant contributions that are separated more than 1 degree from the subject of Tulsi Gabbard.
There is obviously an ongoing content dispute and a slow kind of edit war that includes a mix of outright reverts and partial reverts. I would warn ContentEditman about gaming 1RR since they made 3 reverts on 3 consecutive days. It also disturbs me that, digging into this diff, editors are trying to make political hay out of a home-schooled teenager endorsing the views of her activist parents (gasp!) while de-emphasizing the fact that she later rejected those views. ~Awilley (talk) 16:31, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the new list of diffs above posted by Xenagoras there is a technical violation of the BRD sanction. I say "technical" because ContentEditman posted to the talk page 5 minutes after his second revert. (He should have joined the discussion before the second revert.) Because of that, and because this is stale, I'll double down on my support of a warning for ContentEditman. ~Awilley (talk) 00:53, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This needs dealing with before it gets even more stale. @El C, Seraphimblade, and Doug Weller: what do you think of Awilley's suggestion of a warning for ContentEditman? Thryduulf (talk) 13:27, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @Awilley: fixing the ping. Thryduulf (talk) 13:28, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I support a strong warning. What I do not support and strongly think should be removed as a sanction is anything like consensus required, which can be to easily abused by pov and spa editors. Doug Weller talk 16:28, 11 March 2020 (UTC) Thryduulf kindly pointed out that I left out the key word "not", which I've now added. Doug Weller talk 17:47, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Patapsco913

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Request concerning Patapsco913

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: L235 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 06:39, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Patapsco913 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: NEWBLPBAN DS

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

July 2019 (BLP violations, see below for details)
1. Repeated restoration: [71] [72] [73] and more in the history of Bradley_S._Jacobs
Previous final warning by administrators for the same issue [74]

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

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Alerted to BLP DS less than a year ago [75]

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I originally imposed a flexible ban from BLPs [76], giving the following reasoning:

Hi Patapsco913. I have some concerns about your contributions to biographies of living people. Specifically, in this series of edits to Bradley S. Jacobs in July, it appears that you added the category Category:American Jews and added the claim that "Jacobs was born to a Jewish family in Providence, Rhode Island, the son of Charlotte Sybil (née Bander) and Albert Jordan Jacobs." You source this statement to two obituaries [77] [78] in legacy.com for his parents, neither of which even mentions anything about any of them being Jewish. When this content was removed, you vigorously and repeatedly reverted the removal with edit summaries such as "sorry you need this for the category he is in" (that's kind of putting the cart before the horse) and most strikingly "You do not have a source that he is not jewish" (this edit was made less than a week ago). WP:BLP is pretty explicit that the burden of proof is on those who wish to retain, restore, or undelete the disputed material. It's the burden of the person who wishes to retain or restore material to provide high-quality sources to verify the material; in this case, the sources didn't even mention anyone (much less the article subject) being Jewish. (Not to mention concerns about the quality of the source itself -- often obituaries in local newspapers are written by family members, not editorial staff, and legacy.com does not give sufficient information to determine who wrote a particular obituary. I personally spent a considerable amount of time trying to find these articles from another source, to no avail.)
I see that there have been several previous notes and warnings about BLP issues. In December, Coffee, TheSandDoctor, and Oshwah extensively wrote about the sourcing requirements for BLPs in the specific context of your edits inappropriately identifying a particular person as Jewish, and especially in categorization.[79] TheSandDoctor wrote, "I just was made aware of this edit you made today introducing text stating that Maurice Kremer is Jewish in violation of WP:CAT/R. Please cease this immediately. Further edits of this sort without previous consensus and in blatant disregard for the above will result in a block. This is your final warning." (emphasis in original). Furthermore, you were alerted to BLP DS in December by Cameron11598. [80]
Accordingly, I feel I have no choice but to impose a sanction. I'm sorry to do this, Patapsco913, but I am imposing the arbitration enforcement sanction described in the next section. I will look favorably upon a request to ease or lift this sanction with an acknowledgement of the BLP issues thus far and a commitment to avoid further issues in the future, after a record of contributions that shows a strong understanding of sourcing and verifiability requirements across Wikipedia. Please don't hesitate to reach out if you have any questions. Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 00:40, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

(Those with access to oversight OTRS, see ticket:2020030210009186 for background info; it's probably fine to move that ticket to info-en-q though since there's nothing oversightable there.)

Levivich objected to my sanction, arguing that the edits made were not BLP violations. I think it's pretty clear that the Jacobs edits were sanctionable BLP violations, especially in light of the user's history of warnings, but it seems Levivich feels strongly about this. Therefore, I'm vacating my sanction as a courtesy and filing here for possible action. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 06:39, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested: notice

Discussion concerning Patapsco913

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Statement by Patapsco913

Bradley S. Jacobs. If you look at the history https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bradley_S._Jacobs&action=history I was reverting numerous edits which turned out to be 15 sockpuppets Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Aussietommartin. I did not think it controversial stating that he was from a Jewish family since both his parents had Jewish funerals (both stating “Shiva will be observed… or “Shiva will be held”).

As far as the warnings received from User:Coffee, User:TheSandDoctor, and User:Oshwah. I think it started with my edit on Edward Kosner where I added he was from a "Jewish family" with two citations. I could have used the Wall Street Journal https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB115654273560545904 "Mr. Kosner grew up as the precocious only child of a marginally middle-class Jewish family." but it was behind a paywall so I left it out since others cannot see it. It was requested to be removed via OTRS for "Concerns of undue weight, and request for removal."

I do not know what the OTRS request was about but it seems that it involved more than Edward Kosner. I then received a warning from User:Coffee on my talk page User talk:Patapsco913#Discontinue violations of BLP. User:TheSandDoctor and User:Oshwah then briefly chimed in support of Coffee. When I queried about what standards are required to list someone as Jewish, I was told that they would tell me later after he reviewed all my edits which he started https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Coffee&offset=20200116185617&target=Coffee and here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Coffee&offset=20191225102214&target=Coffee I disagreed with his standard which I rehashed based on his edit comments as "In order to document a subject as ethnically Jewish, I have to have at least 3 unquestionably reliable sources describing the subject as ethnically Jewish. In order to document a subject as religiously Jewish, I have to have at least 3 unquestionably reliable sources showing that they self-identify as a practitioner of Judaism and that the fact they practice Judaism is part of their notability." This would seem to preclude adding any Jewish designation on most biographies. As I understand it, this is not the standard that wikipedia uses.

Maurice Kremer. I did not think this was controversial since he died in 1907 and was a founding member of Congregation B'nai B'rith (now the Wilshire Boulevard Temple) and there are reliable sources that state he is Jewish (see talk page for Kremer). I changed it from "raised in a Jewish family" to "Kremer is Jewish" to try to alleviate Coffee's synthesis concerns so I really did not add anything.

I then posted on my talk page that when I look over the contributions by the various Jewish wikiprojects Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism, Wikipedia:WikiProject Jewish history, Wikipedia:WikiProject Jewish Women, Wikipedia:WikiProject Jewish culture, I did not see that strict standard being followed. I posted on Wikipedia Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism/Archive 37#Identifying who is Jewish to get some clarity. Eventually Coffee's edits (where he was removing Jews from lists some of which he first cleared all supporting references in their biography) became a discussion on the Administrator's noticeboard at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive316#Coffee removing Categories and Lists Inappropriately. Several editors seem to have disagreed with this strict standards either on the Wikiproject Judaism or the Noticeboard or my talkpage (Sir Joseph, Dialectric, Debresser, Cullen328, Levivich, Bus stop, Johnbod, Jayjg) although you should read their comments yourself.

The fundamental problem I see is that there is not a standard for identifying someone as Jewish. Some believe it is contentious to be Jewish (which i do not agree). I stated on the ANI: " I think the problem is that there is not a clear consensus on when we can identify if someone is Jewish and what kind of sourcing we need. I cannot find anything directly on point in the various discussion boards. As Jewish can be both ethnic and religious (generally Judaism is the term for the religion), it crosses several lines. If a source says they are Jewish (e.g. Jewish Women's Archive, the The Jewish Encyclopedia, or the Jewish Virtual Library), can we include even if it is not relevant to their notability. If a subject's parents are both Jewish, is the subject? If one had a Jewish funeral and burial, are they Jewish? If one is born to a Jewish family, are they Jewish? If the subject is an atheist but of Jewish heritage, are they Jewish (Woody Allen, Albert Einstein)? If one becomes a bar mitzvah, are they Jewish? These nuances should be explained in the biography just like we say that someone is of Italian descent." The standard that I think we should follow is that which was left on my on my talk page by Jayjg (who is very active in Jewish topics) that "All one needs is to follow Wikipedia policy: that is, find a reliable source indicating that the individual is Jewish. Two or more sources would, of course, be better, particularly for living people."

I admit this was a mistake I made with many of my edits thinking that stating that someone was from a "Jewish family" was better than stating that someone "is Jewish" and that was original research (which I could remedy) and which is what I did when I re-edited Maurice Kremer (see User talk:Patapsco913#Other business people you might be interested in). I have not been editing any biographies to a great degree since then nor have I touched the edits Coffee made since I do not have a clear standard to go by. Patapsco913 (talk) 03:51, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I was quoting someone who left a message on my talk page but I agree with their sentiment. I should note that on Bradley S. Jacobs I was reverting a bunch of sock-puppets who were removing info as well as changing the bio from chronological to latest career posting first (although I added the original about his parents being Jewish). I should not have asked them to prove a negative but I was frustrated with the now banned 15 sock puppets that were editing the page. I do not see that being Jewish is contentious but just another component of a person's biography like where they grew up, where they went to high school, what their parent's occupations were...etc. But I think you hit the nail on the head when you referred to Jewish as being solely a religion which I think is how many perceive it. Being Jewish can mean many things as demonstrated by the Wikipedia article Who is a Jew?. Under the argument that not being a practitioner of Judaism would nullify one's identity as a Jew would exclude Woody Allen, Sergei Brin, Noam Chomsky, Albert Einstein...but we include them as Jews. If you look at discussions under Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism/Archive 37#Identifying who is Jewish and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism/Archive 37#Splitting categories and lists by ethnicity and religion (proposed by EllenCT) you will see that it is accepted that being Jewish is much more than being a religious Jew.Patapsco913 (talk) 01:46, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The original response was posted in an uninvolved admins-only section and is a response to Awilley. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 16:56, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I will limit my edits on living Jewish biographies to individuals that have a strong reference they are Jewish; and if I have somewhat less direct or less reliable evidence i will seek an outside opinion and/or post on the talk page for discussion. For deceased Jewish people, I will make certain I have a good source as well. I think this may be something that I take up on a discussion board (although I will have to get a lot of examples) so hopefully future editors will have better guidance. I will also not put "from a Jewish family" but rather "x is Jewish" so I avoid the synthesis issue. Patapsco913 (talk) 20:05, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Levivich (Patapsco)

Kevin (whom I thank for bringing this here for review) wrote, "I see that there have been several previous notes and warnings about BLP issues.", and then as an example, uses the warning Patapsco913 received for edits to Maurice Kremer. Kremer died in 1907; not a BLP. The article Maurice Kremer states that he is a founder of Congregation B'nai B'rith, now Wilshire Boulevard Temple, the oldest Jewish congregation in Los Angeles. The two sources in the article were [81] and [82]. When Patapsco913 was warned on his user page, he provided more sources establishing Kremer's (very obvious) Jewish identity, such as the article "LA's first Jew" by the Jewish Telegraphic Agency [83] (note: Kremer is not LA's first Jew; but is mentioned in the article as one of the first seven). Here's another one. There are more such sources. There was nothing wrong with categorizing Kremer as an American Jew. It was not a BLP violation – it's not even a BLP – and all of this Kremer stuff happened back in December, before that long AN thread, which I had hoped would have clarified this issue for everyone. The warning was improper, and relying upon that warning in issuing this sanction was improper.

The only other alleged problem since Kremer in December (correct me if I'm wrong) are Patapsco913's edits to Bradley S. Jacobs. Patapsco said that Jacobs was "born into a Jewish family", and named his parents (Charlotte and Albert), citing to his parents' obituaries [84] [85]. Kevin said that those sources don't say that the parents are Jewish, but he is incorrect; the obituaries clearly establish that Jacobs' parents were Jewish. There's a Star of David on both the obituaries. The funeral home in both is a Jewish funeral home (it even has "Sinai" in the name). It announces shiva hours, a Jewish funeral rite. Charlotte's obituary talks about how she sat shiva for her mother for a year (the traditional period is 7 days, so this is very devout Judaism). Charlotte's obituary was published in The Jewish Voice & Herald [86]. As I said on Patapsco's page, these are Jewish biographies of people who are receiving Jewish funeral rights from a Jewish funeral home, and we're not sure if they're Jewish? Of course these sources establish that the parents were Jewish.

So, Patapsco wrote "born to a Jewish family", and a more-accurate construction would be "born to Jewish parents" (similar to what our article Sergey Brin says). But that is not a BLP violation; it's semantics–a content dispute. Whether Jacobs's Jewish heritage is WP:DUE in his biography is, similarly, a content dispute. It should be resolved by means of a talk page discussion or RFC; not by a TBAN from BLPs. Whether Jacobs should be in Category:American Jews or Category:Americans of Jewish descent is also a content issue to be resolved in the usual way. It's not a BLP violation to pick one or the other. I tend to think that, for Jacobs, his ethnic background is not DUE, and he should be in Category:Americans of Jewish descent and not Category:American Jews, but that doesn't mean that someone who disagrees with me is committing a BLP violation or should be TBANed from BLPs.

In this case, I think it is the administrators, and not Patapsco, who got it wrong. One of the big disconnects is that "Jewish" is an ethnoreligious group, and not just a religion. That means that if your parents are Jewish, you will generally be considered Jewish, and people of Jewish heritage continue to be Jewish even if they don't follow the Jewish religion. This is the predominant view of Jews throughout the world (based on survey by Pew and others), and that is also the consensus view of reliable sources about Jewish identity. It's what our own articles on the topic say as well. Those who treat "being Jewish" as a religious belief that requires explicit self-identification do not understand Jewish identity, and frankly, shouldn't be policing the topic area. Contra to Awilley's comment below, I am not aware of any sourcing restriction in place regarding the sourcing of people as Jewish. But even if there is such a restriction, Kremer's sources would certainly pass it, and whether it's DUE in Jacobs' case is the stuff of content disputes, not BLP violations. Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 02:28, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Awilley and JzG: Any editing restriction would have to be limited to the DS area of BLPs, right? I'd ask you to look at the evidence again and note that Patapsco has made, at most, one bad BLP edit, and this doesn't justify an editing restriction. There's this idea that he was warned multiple times, but he wasn't. Those previous warnings were not merited, and most of them weren't even to BLPs. Nevertheless, in response to the concerns brought up on his talk page, Patapsco added additional sourcing to these articles, or did not reinstate the objected-to edits. You can see this for yourself by looking at every article that was discussed in this AE report or on Patapsco's talk page:

Maurice Kremer, for which Pataspco received a BLP warning from TheSandDoctor. Kremer died in 1907, so it's not a BLP, and per sources (linked in my first paragraph above), he was one of the first seven Jews to immigrate to LA, founder of the largest congregation of Jews in LA.
George Blumberg was discussed on Patapsco's talk page and reverted by Coffee. Blumberg died in 1960, not a BLP. "Jewish" is well-sourced to multiple secondary sources in the article added by Patapsco. Please take a look for yourself at the article and edit history. No foul here.
Sherman Block was brought up by Coffee on Patapsco's talk page. Block died in 1998, not a BLP. "Jewish" is well-sourced to multiple secondary sources in the article added by Patapsco. No foul here.
Edward Kosner is a BLP and is discussed above; Patapsco's edits that Kosner was "born to a Jewish family" were reverted and not reinstated. However, I think I will be reinstating them myself. Kosner wrote an autobiography, cited multiple times in his article, in which he describes his Jewish identity and background at length. Here are a couple excerpts: p. 17: As my bar mitzvah approached ... Like other assimilating second-generation American Jews, my parents were observant in the most idiosyncratic way. p. 18: When the big Saturday of the bar mitvah finally came, I sang like a little Jewish prince and my mother kvelled with pleasure. In addition to his autobiography, we have: NYTimes "No buccaneer, Kosner, born in 1937, grew up a ham-eating, third-generation assimilating Jew in Washington Heights."; Wall St Journal "Mr. Kosner grew up as the precocious only child of a marginally middle-class Jewish family"; Jews in American Politics, p. 134, lists him among "Jewish practitioners ... dealing with a Jewish heritage"; American Space, Jewish Time, p. 135, lists him among "Jews who have occupied pivotal positions in the media"; the author of that book also wrote a report published by Oxford U Press and available at policyarchive.org, The American Jew as Journalist, pp. 165–166, which lists him among Jews "conspicuously at the top".
Bradley S. Jacobs – the one and only arguably bad edit discussed here so far: "born to a Jewish family" and Category:American Jews (instead of Category:Americans of Jewish descent) based on parents' Jewish obituaries (primary sources)

If there are other articles with problems that aren't on this list, I apologize for missing them, but I'd ask that the evidence be looked at closely, because there isn't a pattern of BLP problems here, but rather a problem of bad warnings. The only BLPs are Kosner (sourced to his own autobiography), and Jacobs, the arguable case. It's understandable, if a user receives four bad warnings on his talk page, he may not pay attention to the fifth, even if the fifth was merited. But one mistake doesn't merit anything more than a reminder–not even a warning. Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 18:40, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Sir Joseph

I echo Levivich's statement. Does an obituary of a Jewish person have to say, "the death of a Jew?" As per BLUE, it mentions sitting SHIVA, more importantly, which Levivich missed it also mentions "no flowers" which is also something in Jewish mourning rituals. It's as if there was an article about someone which mentioned "she took communion" but didn't explicitly say "she is Catholic." Someone who takes communion is Catholic (I think I got that right) and someone who sits shiva is Jewish. I just want to add that if there is a source, then we should treat being Jewish as any other religion, even if other's disagree, as some in the AN thread said. It is no different than any other fact, if we have RS, then it's good for Wikipedia, as long as it's notable. You don't need extra sourcing just because it's Jewish, as Coffee said (I should note that I, and others, are still waiting for the answer to the question, "How is being Jewish contentious" which Coffee never answered, but that's an aside). Also, since you did bring up the AN, I should point out that consensus was against Coffee's actions in the mass removals and his edits, AFAIR. I am also not sure how someone who died decades ago has BLP concerns. Regardless, I don't see anything actionable here.

Finally, just to clarify or theorize to Levivich Charlotte didn't sit Shiva for a year, after the death of a parent, a Jew is in mourning for a year, see Aveilus for more information. Which itself is more proof that we are dealing with an observant or at the least very traditional Jew. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 03:32, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Result concerning Patapsco913

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@Patapsco913: You say above, "All one needs is to follow Wikipedia policy: that is, find a reliable source indicating that the individual is Jewish. Two or more sources would, of course, be better, particularly for living people." Actually it's a higher bar than that. If somebody's religion is notable enough for Wikipedia then it will be easy to find reliable WP:SECONDARY sources for it. But that doesn't address the problem that led to the topic ban...that you were using a low quality source for something that didn't even support the content you were trying to add, and then asking others to provide sources proving the negative. Do you understand why all of this is problematic? ~Awilley (talk) 23:43, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Levivich: You make a good point that the proposed sanction would have to be very narrow, limited to the living and recently dead. I also take your point about previous warnings being for things where they were correct. I think the biggest thing for me is that with the series of edits that led to this thread being opened, I haven't seen that Patapsco913 understands what they did wrong. I asked the question fairly directly above and Patapsco913 responded in-line but the response skirted the problem, only conceding that they shouldn't have asked the sockpuppet to prove a negative. (I accept BTW that Jewishness is more than religion. Based on that I should rephrase my statement above to say, "If somebody's religionand/or ethnicity is notable enough for Wikipedia then it will be easy to find reliable WP:SECONDARY sources for it.") I don't dispute that Jacob's parents were Jewish...it's clear they were when you read between the lines of the obituary (services held at "Sinai Memorial Chapel" etc). But reading between the lines of primary sources that aren't even about the article subject isn't our job. From my perspective all Patapsco913 has to do is indicate they understand this problem and make a clear commitment to use better sourcing in the future and I'd support closing this with no action. ~Awilley (talk) 22:06, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Adding a category based on a source that does not include the category is not cool. Defending it based on synthesis from implied data is actually worse. I don't see any good evidence here that Patapsco913 has properly understood the problem. I completely understand the desire of Wikipedians to claim notable members of minorities of all kinds, but pride and support does not exempt one from sourcing requirements, and categories have to be definitional. If there are no secondary sources identifying someone as Jewish (or Catholic or Pastafarian or anything) then the category is inappropriate even if we can reliably show that they were born to Jewish parents. This is warrior behaviour and is sufficient to justify a sanction. Guy (help!) 09:40, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Awilley, option 1 has the advantage of being entirely in line with normal Wikipedia best practice but I still think a category should not be added unless it is definitional. If some secondary source mentions in passing that someone is culturally Jewish (i.e. born of a Jewish mother) but they are not observant and never talk about it themselves, we should not be adding a category. Guy (help!) 12:06, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Having spent a fair bit of time over the years removing these kinds of designations from articles, I'm no fan of their seemingly unending addition to articles. Nevertheless, in this specific case, the fact is Jews are an ethnic group, so WP:ETHNICRACECAT (which specifically uses Category:Jewish musicians as an example) applies. That means that any arguments about "religion being notable etc." miss the mark, that the bar is no higher than a couple of reliable sources, and that, for better or worse, ethnicity (unlike religion) is typically a matter of ancestry and/or cultural background (not belief). Jayjg ^(talk) 15:10, 4 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This is a fairly obvious case of IDHT, confusing the AN discussion about lists they hadn't edited with their actual edits and blatant disregard for WP:BLP, despite the clear warnings given to them. This cannot be allowed to continue ad nauseam. I agree wholeheartedly with JzG that the "warrior behavior" Patapsco913 has displayed for months (and even years) in this topic area, has to be stopped.

In addition, "You do not have a source that he is not jewish" is an extremely worrying sign that Patapsco913 simply does not understand how verification works nor WP:BURDEN, which states "The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and it is satisfied by providing an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution." (emphasis in the orginal)
The response to Awilley further shows the user continues — after months of warnings — to believe that low quality sources and use of various forms of original research are acceptable for claims in BLPs. They never are, and attempts to justify asking others to prove the negative based on their frustration shows a lack of the temperament required when dealing with such a sensitive topic area.
While I understand the points raised by Jayjg, this issue is much broader than the user simply adding ethnic descriptions or categories (albeit Patapsco913 appears to know how to define purely ethnic identification); indeed, it includes many such edits that have been to attempt to define people as religiously Jewish by synthesizing source material (this edit, which made presumptions not stated in the source explicitly, is an example of this).
Based on all of this, it is my belief that we should look at the whole of a person's conduct in a topic area when deciding to issue a sanction. As such, I believe one is heavily warranted here. I think a 12 month restriction, with the standard enforcement procedures, is the best route to go here to prevent further disruption. Lastly, I want to note that WP:CANVASSING is not permitted in any manner; this is especially so if it is directed at people whom the user believes are biased in their favour. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 03:17, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Ordinarily as a sitting arbitrator I wouldn't comment here, since the issue might come before the Committee, but this has been open for a week now and needs progress, and there are important principles involved, so I'll go ahead. I agree with everyone that we can't be describing a living person, or for that matter a deceased person, as "Jewish" without a solid reference that he or she is or was Jewish. General references to Jewishness in the person's or the person's family's background are not sufficient; on the other hand, there does come a point where the evidence is overwhelming that the person is or was Jewish, especially for historical rather than living persons, even if the exact words "he is/was Jewish" do not appear. I think Patapsco913 has been trying in good faith to get these things right, but sometimes has misjudged where the line separating sufficient from insufficient sourcing, on this sometimes sensitive point, should be drawn. My suggestion going forward is that Patapsco913 only add a reference to an article subject's Jewishness is the sourcing is crystal-clear, and that otherwise he should post to the article talkpage or ask a trusted editor for a second opinion. If Patapsco will do these things, can we agree that a topic-ban should not be necessary? Also, even if the consensus were that a topic-ban is warranted, am I right that all the BLP issues involve disputed claims of Jewishness? If that is the case, at most a limited topic-ban from adding references to that specific topic would seem sufficient, and a very broad topic-ban from all editing about living or recently deceased people would seem to be overbroad. Newyorkbrad (talk) 18:05, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- This makes sense. Can I boil this down into specific proposals?
  - Option 1: Patapsco913 may only categorize article subjects as Jewish if those people are explicitly referred to as such in reliable WP:Secondary or Tertiary sources; otherwise they should post to the article talkpage or ask a trusted editor for a second opinion.
  - Option 2: Patapsco913 is prohibited from categorizing article subjects as Jewish.

In option 1 I took the liberty of tweaking User:Newyorkbrad's suggestion to make it more specific. (Specifying secondary sources eliminates ambiguity about using stuff like genealogy sites, marriage records, census records, etc.) But I'm by no means married to that language.

My first preference would be Option 1 with whatever tweaks people think are needed, but I won't oppose option 2 if that's where the consensus leans. ~Awilley (talk) 04:00, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Zarcademan123456

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23:23, 4 March 2020 makes edit which is reverted
23:32, 4 March 2020 makes same edit again

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blocked 22 December 2019 with an expiration time of 72 hours (account creation blocked) (Disruptive editing)
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When asked to self-revert, as they broke 1RR, they replies "What’s an RR?", then continue defending their edit. See User_talk:Zarcademan123456#1RR

As a reply to Number 57: Zarcademan123456 has been asked countless of times to start a centralised discussion, before making similar chenges to hundreds of articles. This they have constantly ignored, except for the “Confiscation” vs. “expropriation” ...and that was only started after the last report here on AE.
And as for their changes: they "cherry-pick" info from this article, and put that "cherry-picked" info into dozens, if not hundreds of other articles. And the totally WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT when asked to stop, or discuss it first, Huldra (talk) 21:02, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- This statement by Zarcademan123456 ("I also would like to add I did later revert") is 100% incorrect (as anyone looking at the history of the Beit Fajjar-article can see). In addition, Zarcademan123456 continues to make similar changes even after this AE-report was made. I have never before come across a worse case of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT in the IP area, Huldra (talk) 21:18, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - I would ask for a topic-ban for Zarcademan123456 from the IP-area. We really don't need editors in the IP area who apparently are completely deaf, Huldra (talk) 21:21, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - This edit, just made by Zarcademan123456 shows why they need to be topic-banned: To the link to Jordanian annexation of the West Bank they add that it wasn't generally internationally recognised, but to the Israeli occupation article; they make no such qualification, Huldra (talk) 21:57, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - Number 57: no, I do not expect him to start a discussion on 40 pages; I expect him too start a discussion once about each issue: he has repeatedly been asked to do so, but never done so. Instead he goes around making controversial changes to hundreds of articles. Huldra (talk) 21:23, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      - User:Levivich: absolutely. I have been trying to get Zarcademan123456 to do this, again, and again. Apparently they cannot hear me (or rather: they cannot manage to understand what I write :( ), Huldra (talk) 23:26, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Statement by Zarcademan123456

I hope this is the place where I state my case (I am fairly new to all the computer lingo...) I am merely trying to make information harmonious, encyclopedia-tic, as this is what Wikipedia is...also, whenever someone has pointed out a violation of the rules, I have abided (I previously changed the word “confiscate” to “expropriate”...I no longer do so, as I was informed we must quote the source accurately to the word (even though the source in question I believe is biased, but I digress...)). If I haven’t abided, its because I didn’t realize I was doing anything wrong (as in the BC changing to BCE, I didn’t even really know how to utilize the talk pages, etc...I still don’t really lol)

I also would like to add I did later revert.

If y’all need anymore testimony for me, let me know. Thank you.

It appears Huldra is right, according to the history I did not self-revert. I was positive I did...I just checked my history, seeing if I undid a different article of my own accidentally, it appears I did not. Huldra, you are 100% right on that accusation, it appears I did lie, albeit unknowingly. As a proof of my honest mistake, I am not deleting my above assertion that I made an undo (I think I could’ve deleted my mistaken assertion, but I digress). Anyways, I made a mistake, I am sorry.

Although, as I am now removing this proposal below, Number 57 saw something I reverted, so maybe I reverted something and just can’t find it, idk.Zarcademan123456 (talk) 02:26, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Number 57

As far as I can see, he has not broken 1RR. He added material (not a revert) and then reverted when it was removed.

A second issue that stands out from looking at this is why Zarcademan123456's edit was reverted in the first place. Adding the text "It was annexed by Jordan in 1950, although there was limited international recognition (the UK and Iraq)." is factually accurate (although it omits Pakistan from the list of countries that granted recognition), so there appears to be no good reason to remove it.

Similarly, I am also concerned by other reversions of factually correct edits made by Zarcademan. This perhaps needs more consideration. Number 5 7 20:42, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think Huldra's follow-up complaint about the edit made at Ash-Shuhada is further evidence that the problem is probably the other way round; Zarcademan's (clumsy) edit mentions occupation by both Jordan and Israel, and annexation by Jordan. International recognition is only mentioned with regards to the annexation presumably because international recognition only happens for annexed areas, not occupied ones. The constant objections to reasonable (and factual) edits, and then taking it further by claiming that the Ash-Shuhada edit shows why a topic ban is needed, are far more of a problem IMO. Number 5 7 01:07, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Huldra now appears to be mass undoing all Zarcademan's edits and telling him for each one that he has to take the proposed changes to the talk page. It appears that he is expected to start 40 different talk page discussions on his proposed changes. This does not seem like reasonable behaviour to me. Number 5 7 20:52, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Levivich (PIA)

Occupation, annexation, confiscation, expropriation, I don't believe we haven't had an RFC about this yet that we can point to. If not, just launch one, for both the Jordanians and Israelis. One RFC would be a lot better than having this discussion on the talk page of every article about every Palestinian village–and also better than trying to resolve this via AE. Also agree with N57's concerns. Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 22:01, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Zarcademan123456 and Huldra: Surely you both agree that the WP:NOTBURO quickest way to definitively resolve this issue once and for all is through one or more RFCs, and that an RFC is also the only path to stable consensus on the issue of what word(s) to use in wikivoice, and that any and all time spent at AE is a detour off of that path? Why not agree to restore to last stable version and not make changes pending the outcome of RFC(s)? And then afterwards whoever violates the RFC consensus first can be insta-blocked, ok? :-) – Levivich ^{[dubious – discuss]} 23:34, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by selfstudier

Last time around I said that I was assuming good faith, I am finding it exceptionally difficult to stand by that assessment. I and others have in fact been trying to engage with and ease his introduction to WP, unfortunately it seems that if once he has an idea in his head, then no amount of engagement appears to help. If no solution be found, I suspect we will be back here time and time again.Selfstudier (talk) 22:18, 5 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Nableezy

But it strikes Number 57 as reasonable to have to go through 40 articles and correct the problems introduced? nableezy - 22:21, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by ZScarpia

My two cents' worth:
- The added text isn't cited to any sources. On that ground alone, Huldra was justified in deleting (and re-deleting) it.
- The accuracy of the added text is questionable. Compare it with what the article on the Jordanian annexation of the West Bank says: "Only the United Kingdom and Iraq formally recognized the annexation of the West Bank, de facto in the case of East Jerusalem. The United States Department of State also recognized this extension of Jordanian sovereignty. Pakistan is often claimed to have recognized Jordan's annexation too, but this is dubious."
- The added text is boiler-plate-like. Normally, text may only be added if it can be cited to sources which mention the topic of the article. This not being so, an RfC should have been held.
← ZScarpia 12:05, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Zarcademan123456, this is not the place to discuss proposed article changes. Please remove those and move any such discussion to the appropriate article talk page. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 02:16, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Having looked at this request, I believe all involved here would be wise to consider the suggestion by Levivich, in having a central RfC on this subject rather than a tremendous number of separate discussions. Zarcademan123456, if someone tells you that a particular edit you're doing to a large number of pages is objectionable, stop making that edit while you open a discussion on the matter. Attempting a fait accompli is very much frowned upon. If you're willing to commit to doing that and to opening a discussion (and if need be an RfC) on the matter, I would not support sanctions at this time, but if it happens again I likely would. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 02:22, 7 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Unless there are objections, I intend to close this request with a warning to Zarcademan123456 that if someone tells you that a particular edit you're doing to a large number of pages is objectionable, stop making that edit while you open a discussion on the matter. El_C 03:23, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dev0745

I have already topic banned the user independent of this report. El_C 16:02, 6 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Crawford88

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User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Vanamonde93 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 20:54, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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03:48, 3 March 2020 Adds the claim that people protesting India's citizenship amendment act also threatened journalists during recent riots in Delhi. The cited source [87] does not support the claim; Crawford's edit was entirely original research.
03:16, 3 March 2020 Removes content describing the cited source as an opinion piece from an unreliable source. Source in question [88] is the Huffington Post; the header describes the piece as "news".
03:35, 3 March 2020 says he is copy-editing the article; actually adds content, which is contradicted directly by the source supporting the material he said he was copy-editing [89]. (For clarity; source says the person accused of the shooting wasn't arrested; Crawford added content saying he was, while stating he was copy-editing.
23:51, 8 March 2020 If the previous diffs weren't bad enough, there's this one, which is essentially reverting historical revisionism back into the article. Vanamonde (Talk) 14:19, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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01:03, 18 May 2018 Topic-banned from anything related to India, for egregious original research.
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Crawford88 is not a prolific editor; these represent a substantive portion of their recent contributions. I happened to notice these, but their low activity makes it likely for other contributions to go unnoticed, and that's a problem because of their tendency to significantly embelish what the sources say. Their recent talk page contributions (such as [90], [91], [92]) may not be sanctionable in and of themselves, but bear out a pattern of ignoring source material and editing based on a personal POV instead. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:54, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Bishonen is correct, Crawford88 did indeed add a source supporting their edit in diff three; my complaint is more that a) they're doing more than copy-editing (could be innocent, I've forgotten pieces of edit summaries before) and b) they've clearly not read the stuff they're editing. Still, not near as bad as the other diffs. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:55, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GRuban, That's a tweet that a tweet cited by this article is replying to. It's really far removed from the article itself; moreover, using twitter as a source for this sort of information is quite as bad as making it up. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:40, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Diff 1, the source cites a tweet from a journalist: "Tanushree Pandey @TanushreePande· Feb 24 This is a riot! Protesters from both sides heckling & thrashing media persons." So it does, actually, back the statement. --GRuban (talk) 19:47, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not saying it's a good source, mind, but Vanamonde's/Bishonen's comments that Crawford's edit is not supported by, or even maliciously opposed to, the source are strictly incorrect. --GRuban (talk) 20:48, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Looks like a broadly-construed topic ban from the IPA topic area is but a formality. El_C 21:00, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with El C, even though I see a problem with Vanamonde's comment on diff 3: in the same diff, Crawford added a source that said the person was arrested. It may be a bad source, but it's still not quite the same thing as merely maliciously contradicting a source. Am I missing something there? On the other hand, diff 1 is just egregious: it does maliciously contradict the source. Note also that the user doesn't appear to have learned anything from their previous, time-limited, topic ban; this one should be indefinite. Bishonen | tålk 16:41, 10 March 2020 (UTC).[reply]
I support an indefinite WP:ARBIPA topic ban. I don't see the "Tanushree Pandey" mention by GRuban but even if it is in the source, the whole thrust of the article is that journalists were threatened by pro-CAA mobs. Johnuniq (talk) 02:36, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Indefinite TBAN is appropriate given the deceptive nature of the edits. Even if this is merely inexperience, he needs to learn his craft in less contentious areas of the project. Guy (help!) 14:26, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pectore

Pectore is topic banned indefinitely from Indian and Pakistani subjects, broadly construed. This sanction may be appealed no less than six months from now. --Guerillero | Parlez Moi 04:10, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Vanamonde93 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 21:36, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Communication is critical to an area under discretionary sanctions. Pectore has repeatedly removed content or reverted other editors with blank or inadequate edit-summaries, and neglected to explain their edit either immediately on the talk page or after it had been challenged. Recent examples include the following;

28 February 2020; modifies contentious label, no edit summary
28 February 2020 Deletes content, blank edit-summary
29 February 2020, reverts the same content out using rollback, without an edit-summary.
29 February 2020 Removes content added in good faith with the summary "rvv". For completeness, that edit was before the editor being reverted was blocked (and later unblocked) for sockpuppetry; [93].
2 March 2020 Removes content adequately supported per WP:CITELEAD; no edit summary.
5 March 2020 Reverts contentious infobox back into the article; no edit summary.
7 March 2020 Reverts poorly sourced content back into the article; no edit summary.

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Notified. Vanamonde (Talk) 21:37, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Pectore: Thanks for that statement, but I think you're missing the main point I am making; I'm not necessarily challenging your reasons for those reverts; I am saying that we have no way of knowing what those reasons are, and the removed content does not make it bloody obvious. You have also not addressed the last two edits, which were the most egregious, and which you still have not discussed with either Doug Weller or myself, despite being active elsewhere. Your desire to revert without explanation is doubly surprising given your articulate statement here; you're capable of explaining your reasons, but have not deigned to do so where it's necessary. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:46, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Pectore: That response is uttrely inadequate. You are obligated to explain every edit you make in a contentious area. Now you're not only suggesting you don't have to, but are accusing me of vandalism into the bargain? Your precise reasons for those reverts are also besides the point; the fact is you didn't provide those reasons where you should have, and still don't see that that was a problem. Talk page discussion is supposed to take place as a means of avoiding edit-warring, and you're arguing you didn't have to discuss anything until edit-warring has occurred. I'm going to leave this to uninvolved administrators now, but your approach needs recalibration. El C, take a look at this, if you would. Vanamonde (Talk) 17:28, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Statement by Pectore

I'm a prolific editor, who has been editing Wikipedia on and off for over a decade with: multiple DYK's across South Asian topics under my belt, over 6,000 edits (on areas relating to India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Sri Lanka), and have never been blocked. Now given the issues raised here, I definitely realize that I made some mistakes by not providing edit summaries, especially in controversial subjects and I also agree that I need to discuss more. I will be more careful in this subject area from now on and avoid repeating this kind of conduct.

Regarding the evidence provided by Vanamonde:

2&3 - Saffron Terror- The claims regarding edits on Saffron Terror (diffs 2 and 3) are very perplexing. I deleted content literally duplicated in the article. In a version I reverted Arif Qasmani was mentioned under the "incidents" header and under the "2007 Samjhauta Express bombings" sections.
4 - OpIndia - I had clearly discussed on the talk page after making edits, including with the requesting admin. [94] [95] whereas the user I had reverted did not engage until after reverting me twice. In fact I had written discussion posts on Talk:OpIndia 7 times in a 24 hour period and never came close to 3RR.
5 - Clear content dispute and violation of WP:BLP that I reverted.

That said, happy to use more edit summaries going forward as that appears to be the theme of this complaint. I generally hold myself to 1RR and am an active participant in many contentious talk pages, including ones mentioned above.Pectore^talk 04:14, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vanamonde - The point you are attempting to make is entirely unclear. Regarding diffs 1, 6, and 7, I fail to see what are "egregious" about them. They are merely pages on my watchlist where I perceived that the last edit was wrong. (1) appeared to be reverting a Pakistani nationalist editor, (6) was reverting what I perceived to be vandalism based on incorrect reading of the sources (of which consensus is against you), and (7) appeared to be a notable case as Ahmed Deedat is quite well known. On re-evaluating (7), I think the edit I made was incorrect as Doug noted in a later revert the link was dead. I reverted those pages once, if I reverted twice then I would have posted like I did on Talk:OpIndia. As I noted above I provide ample justification on talk pages such as Talk:OpIndia when I engage in multiple reverts.

To address your note around edits "which you still have not discussed"; I prefer to conclude this discussion before editing on those pages. I had previously been under the impression that talk pages are the place for discussion if multiple reverts are made (rather than edit summaries) and I've posted on all the talk pages where I engaged in multiple reverts. As mentioned happy to use more edit summaries going forward.Pectore^talk 17:17, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@El C: I am confused which of Vanamonde's diffs you are referring to here at this point, number 6? If so, I just mentioned above what "I perceived to be vandalism" in the moment; not that the edit itself was vandalism. Regardless, I see why an edit summary was required there and on all edits on contentious pages.Pectore^talk 19:45, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Vanamonde your response is a clear misrepresentation of my comments. Quotes like "happy to use more edit summaries going forward", "Regardless, I see why an edit summary was required there and on all edits on contentious pages", and "I made some mistakes by not providing edit summaries, especially in controversial subjects and I also agree that I need to discuss more" exemplify my view towards edit summaries and discussion on talk pages. Thanks.Pectore^talk 20:14, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Pectore

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~~Looks like a broadly-construed topic ban from the IPA topic area is but a formality, again.~~ El_C 03:20, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Struck. Weighing the evidence in light of Pectore's substantive statement. El_C 04:17, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Pectore, don't label good faith edits as vandalism — that is a personal attack. Please do better. Your revert was still unexplained, which you still need to account for. El_C 17:33, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Now in support of an IPA topic ban (not just Indian media), broadly construed, per Bishonen's evidence. El_C 01:08, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Bishonen: yes, I agree — that is what I had in mind. Ditto for the request directly above, for that matter. El_C 15:23, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There is a software feature that automatically prompts for an edit summary when one inadvertently fails to include one. I suggest that Pectore agree to turn this on, as one aspect of resolving this matter. Newyorkbrad (talk) 18:07, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm amazed that Pectore has been getting away with ignoring the need for edit summaries for so long. They reverted a warning from Vanamonde about this issue on their page as early as 2018, with one of their few actual edit summaries: "Remove bad faith trolling". Quite remarkable if put against their supposedly recent discovery of the same issues raised here: "given the issues raised here, I definitely realize that I made some mistakes by not providing edit summaries, especially in controversial subjects". Belated, and belatedly civil. But OK, as long as they stick to it from now on (and consider NYBrad's suggestion), we're good(-ish) on that score. I'm more concerned about another matter: Pectore's systematic whitewashing of OpIndia,[96][97][98] which I find in itself deserving of a topic ban and/or a partial block from the article, especially when put together with this edit to Anti-Hindu sentiment, which re-inserts badly sourced text which had been removed by Doug Weller. I'm not really impressed by their defence above of diff 4, the OpIndia one ("I had clearly discussed on the talk page after making edits"). Yes, they wrote for instance, "Whether they have published "fake news" belongs in the reception section of the article."[99] Really? Their talkpage input is as tendentious as their article edits. Unless there are objections, I'm planning a partial block from OpIndia and its talkpage. No prejudice against a wider topic ban. I may propose one myself once I've read more deeply. Bishonen | tålk 18:43, 10 March 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Yes, having read some more, I will also suggest a topic ban from Indian media, see the discussion of the user's OpIndia editing above. Here are some further tendentious media edits:

29 Feb: Misrepresentation of source, compare Vanamonde's reply.
2 March: This edit at The Wire (India), is quite egregious. "Alt left"? That's not a thing but a mere smear (not analogous to the alt right), see this article section. And it's certainly not supported by the source.
Early March: Talk:OpIndia. Throughout the section "Observation regarding the Previous Note - This description is highly biased", Pectore attempts to posit an equivalence between OpIndia and Altnews.in as hating on each other with neither of them being accredited as fact checkers. Wrong, as AltNews.in is accredited as a fact-checker. Compare our well-sourced article Altnews.in.
4 March: This removal at Swarajya (magazine), repeated here on 7 March, is very concerning, as the source, AltNews.in, is accredited as a fact-checker per above. Bishonen | tålk 21:12, 10 March 2020 (UTC).[reply]

@Bishonen: Is a topic ban from Indian media adequate? El_C is now supporting an IPA topic ban and I think that would be cleaner and warranted given the evidence and Pectore's above (6) was reverting what I perceived to be vandalism based on incorrect reading of the sources. I support an IPA topic ban but am unclear about the time frame. It is often best to make it indefinite and remove it after six months if there is an adequate response in an appeal at that time. Is that the proposal? If so, I support it. Johnuniq (talk) 02:25, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I will support an IPA topic ban also, John; perhaps you're right that "Indian media" isn't enough. And yes, indefinite. I think it's important that sanctioned editors don't just go away and wait out, say, a six-month ban and then go on as before, having learned nothing. As usual, indefinite doesn't mean infinite; it means they must appeal, normally after no less than six months, and show in the appeal that they are able and willing to edit constructively going forward. One important way of showing that ability and willingness is editing helpfully in other areas during the ban. Do you agree, El C? Bishonen | tålk 08:56, 11 March 2020 (UTC).[reply]

I would also go for a IPA topic ban --In actu (Guerillero) ^{Parlez Moi} 17:51, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As would I. Doug Weller talk 16:36, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Arbitration enforcement action appeal by User:Sotuman

Appeal is declined --Guerillero | Parlez Moi 03:47, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

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Appealing user: Sotuman (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction being appealed: topic ban

Administrator imposing the sanction: Bishonen (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)

Notification of that administrator: Notification record

Statement by Sotuman

I am currently subject to a topic ban that was put in place on 20 February 2019 by User:Bishonen. After waiting for the prescribed time period (3 to 6 months), and performing the constructive edits that I said I would, I feel that it is a good time for the ban to be removed.

It is my wish that the committee take as much time as required to deliberate over this topic ban appeal. I am in no hurry and am thankful that this ban and surrounding conversation has tempered my spirit and forced me to be more patient and considerate of my fellow Wikipedia editors. Please advise as soon as you have news for me.

The background information is located at four main locations, listed below in roughly chronological order, with most recent at bottom.

Talk:Flood_geology

User_talk:Sotuman/Archive_1

WP:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1003#Topic_ban_violation_by_Sotuman

User_talk:Sotuman/Archive_2

WP:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive307#Block_appeal

Please see my current talk page

Responses by Sotuman to Statements

@Vanamonde93: You mentioned that you would like me to demonstrate that I understand "...what it was [I] did wrong, and why [I'm] unlikely to make the same mistake again". Please read on my talk page and advise further.

@JzG: You have read into what I wrote, which you are not welcome to do.

@El C: Fear is the opposite of good faith.

@RexxS: A person doesn't need to make a huge amount of edits to improve Wikipedia: see WP:Wikignome. Also I am SotuMAN, you can use the pronouns he, him, his. 'They' is a plural pronoun, and I'm just one person. Sotuman (talk) 17:33, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Bishonen

I'll leave the evaluation of the appeal to uninvolved admins. Just a technicality: I have told Sotuman that it's not ArbCom that will review an AE request, as he apparently believes, and that he'd need to go to ARCA for that, etc, yada, yada, see my response to him on my page. Bishonen | tålk 15:44, 11 March 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Statement by JzG

As I read it, this appeal is a promise to advance the same POV but more politely. Thanks, but no thanks. Guy (help!) 16:25, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by Tgeorgescu

Perhaps Sotuman feels that he is right. The point, however, is that he was wrong according to the rules of the community and does not acknowledge it for a fact. Shakespeare attributed This above all: to thine own self be true, And it must follow, as the night the day, Thou canst not then be false to any man. to a scoundrel. So, it does not matter if Sotuman is right according to WP:THETRUTH or some objective, universal justice, applied by a disinterested observer, but that he was wrong according to the norms and values of our community. Tgeorgescu (talk) 18:05, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (involved editor 1)

Statement by (involved editor 2)

Discussion among uninvolved editors about the appeal by Sotuman

Result of the appeal by Sotuman

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@Sotuman: I like to see evidence that a sanction is no longer necessary before I support lifting it. You've linked a number of discussions related to the placing of the sanctions on you, but you haven't explained what it was you did wrong, and why you're unlikely to make the same mistake again; and absent such a statement, I would be opposed to lifting any sanction. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:29, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Decline. I've read through Sotuman's lengthy talk page post, and it evades my question entirely. I have no confidence that we're not going to see a resumption of the problems that led to this sanction. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:44, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sotuman's original ban notice is at: User talk:Sotuman/Archive 2#Original Notice of Topic-Ban. The wording of the ban was: "You have been indefinitely topic banned from Flood geology and related pages." This was an AE ban issued by User:Bishonen under the authority of WP:ARBPS. See User talk:Sotuman/Archive 2 for some past discussions. I find a great deal of wikilawyering there, and see many attempts by other editors to explain the concept of a topic ban.

One of the posts in a previous ban appeal (from 2019) was this one by User:Boing! said Zebedee.

Decline appeal. The topic ban looks valid to me, and having read the indicated user talk page content and the appeal here (which does not really address the reasons for the ban), I see no justification in ending it or modifying it. (But what I do see is a failure to understand Wikipedia's approach to balance, NPOV, verifiability, etc - eg "there should be equal weight given to different but complementary views regardless of how many people hold to one view or the other, especially since Wikipedia has no way to accurately assess such quantities" is fundamentally misunderstanding how evidence works.) Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 13:27, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

In the discussions back in 2019, it appeared that Sotuman was keen on inserting his personal understanding of Flood geology into Wikipedia. This is the kind of thing that the WP:ARBPS sanctions were intended to deal with I agree with Boing's overall opinion of the last ban appeal. Unless there has been a major change in Sotuman's approach to Wikipedia editing since his last appeal (one which he could document through his contribution history) I wouldn't favor lifting the ban. EdJohnston (talk) 16:17, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Decline as written. Concur with my 2 colleagues above — it's just too vague, making Guy's fear a real possibility. Which, indeed, would not be good enough. El_C 16:30, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Given Sotuman's edits over the six months prior to this appeal – all 36 of them – I'm left wondering why they want the topic ban lifted. As the appeal doesn't explain why, I'm minded to decline it as unnecessary. --RexxS (talk) 18:13, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Decline: The quibbles from Sotman give me no confidence that they are ever likely to become a productive member of a collaborative community. FWIW, use of the singular they as an epicene pronoun has been a feature of the English language for the last 600 years. --RexxS (talk) 17:47, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Decline. I've seen nothing the convinces me that Sotuman understands why the topic ban was imposed, and I am not convinced that they will not just return to exactly the same behaviour. I'm not even sure they are understanding any of the reasons people are giving for declining the appeal. Thryduulf (talk) 21:13, 12 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Moksha88

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Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.

Request concerning Moksha88

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Newslinger (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 05:43, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User against whom enforcement is requested: Moksha88 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Sanction or remedy to be enforced: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/India-Pakistan#Standard discretionary sanctions :

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

8 March 2020: Inappropriate canvassing of Brihaspati to WP:RSN § OpIndia and Swarajya
8 March 2020: Inappropriate canvassing of Pectore to WP:RSN § OpIndia and Swarajya
8 March 2020: Inappropriate canvassing of Ms Sarah Welch to WP:RSN § OpIndia and Swarajya
13 March 2020: Inappropriate canvassing of Apollo1203 to WP:RSN § Swarajya
13 March 2020: Inappropriate canvassing of Actionjackson09 to WP:RSN § Swarajya
13 March 2020: Inappropriate canvassing of ThaNDNman224 to WP:RSN § Swarajya
13 March 2020: Inappropriate canvassing of Sacredsea to WP:RSN § Swarajya

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

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Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on 15 November 2019 by Brihaspati (then known as Harshil169)

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

The 8 March 2020 messages consist of the following, with minor variations:

Question about WP:RS
Hello, I hope you are well. I'm concerned about the arguments raised here. I read WP:RS, and bias is clearly not a reason for sources to be blacklisted in Wikipedia, even if it is a bias against Wikipedia. In fact, there's an entire article devoted to Criticism of Wikipedia which has reliable sources. No examples are provided of a lack of editorial oversight or inaccurate reporting, so it seems the discussion is based more on retaliation than reason. Blacklisting sources without sound reasoning risks NPOV which worries me. In your experience, what's the best way to refute these assertions?

The above message is inappropriate, because it presents an argument to the recipient ("No examples are provided of a lack of editorial oversight or inaccurate reporting"), states an opinion on the discussion ("it seems the discussion is based more on retaliation than reason"), and was directed at specific editors instead of a neutral venue.

The 13 March 2020 messages consist of the following:

Worth a Look
Hello, I hope you are well. I'm concerned about the arguments raised here. I think there's confusion about whether WP:DOX applies here and whether Swarajya fails to meet WP:RS criteria, especially since little evidence has been presented in the discussion over the past week. Take a look at these policies and chime in when you get a chance.

The above message is inappropriate, because it directly asks the recipient to participate in the discussion ("chime in when you get a chance"), suggests a position ("I think there's confusion...") relative to the consensus of the discussion, and was directed at specific editors instead of a neutral venue.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Special:Diff/945320444

Discussion concerning Moksha88

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Statement by Moksha88

Statement by (slatersteven)

As they have not been warned I think only a warning is in order. But I also have to say that this is part of a wider pattern with a group of people both on and off wiki.Slatersteven (talk) 16:54, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Moksha88

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Newslinger, I don't mean to split hairs, but I can't find that the editor has previously been given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict. The link you provide is merely for a DS alert, which, as it states, "does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date".
Also, have you or anybody you know of warned Moksha88 about canvassing, and told them to stop? I don't see it on their talkpage — I don't think you've posted there before your notification about this request. Do they know canvassing is not allowed? Bishonen | tålk 12:23, 13 March 2020 (UTC).[reply]
Warn for canvassing — indeed, that key step seems to be missing. Somewhat puzzling such a warning was not issued on the 8th (unless it was and I, too, am just not seeing it). El_C 14:22, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Although Moksha88 has been editing (lightly) since 2006, I can confirm that nowhere in their talk-page archives does "canvas" appear, so it looks like they have never been warned. As we can't be certain that they were aware of WP:CANVASS, I propose giving an "only warning" about canvassing. They've certainly been around long enough to understand that. --RexxS (talk) 14:35, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::Well, I was quoting someone who left a message on my talk page but I agree with their sentiment. I should note that on [[Bradley S. Jacobs]] I was reverting a bunch of sock-puppets who were removing info as well as changing the bio from chronological to latest career posting first (although I added the original about his parents being Jewish). I should not have asked them to prove a negative but I was frustrated with the now banned 15 sock puppets that were editing the page. I do not see that being Jewish is contentious but just another component of a person's biography like where they grew up, where they went to high school, what their parent's occupations were...etc.  But I think you hit the nail on the head when you referred to Jewish as being solely a religion which I think is how many perceive it. Being Jewish can mean many things as demonstrated by the Wikipedia article [[Who is a Jew?]]. Under the argument that not being a practitioner of Judaism would nullify one's identity as a Jew would exclude Woody Allen, Sergei Brin, Noam Chomsky, Albert Einstein...but we include them as Jews. If you look at discussions under [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism/Archive 37#Identifying who is Jewish]] and [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism/Archive 37#Splitting categories and lists by ethnicity and religion]] (proposed by [[User:EllenCT|EllenCT]]) you will see that it is accepted that being Jewish is much more than being a religious Jew.[[User:Patapsco913|Patapsco913]] ([[User talk:Patapsco913|talk]]) 01:46, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 :::{{small|The original response was posted in an uninvolved admins-only section and is a response to Awilley. --[[User:TheSandDoctor|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">The</span><span style="color:#009933; font-weight:bold;">SandDoctor</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:TheSandDoctor|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 16:56, 5 March 2020 (UTC)}}
+::::I will limit my edits on living Jewish biographies to individuals that have a strong reference they are Jewish; and if I have somewhat less direct or less reliable evidence i will seek an outside opinion and/or post on the talk page for discussion. For deceased Jewish people, I will make certain I have a good source as well. I think this may be something that I take up on a discussion board (although I will have to get a lot of examples) so hopefully future editors will have better guidance. I will also not put "from a Jewish family" but rather "x is Jewish" so I avoid the synthesis issue. [[User:Patapsco913|Patapsco913]] ([[User talk:Patapsco913|talk]]) 20:05, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
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