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Emily Hunter Salveson

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ROTM film exec, going about her job, but ultimately not notable or even noteworthy (in fact, borderline A7 speediable, IMO). No evidence of notability per WP:PRODUCER, and with the possible exception of the first Variety piece, none of the sources even contribute towards, let alone establish, WP:GNG (and a BEFORE search finds nothing better). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:57, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. At present, the references in the article are as follows. (The numbers are those given in the reference list in the article, but I have reordered them to put related references together.)

(1) An announcement on the website of Salveson's company about the appointment of a person to a post in the company.

(2) An article about the fact that although a U.S. tax benefit (Section 181 of the Internal Revenue Code) has "expired", some businesses are still able to benefit from it, because they did a small amount of production work before the expiry. It tells us that Salveson was responsible for enabling a number of businesses to benefit from this method. Significant coverage of one thing she has done? Perhaps. Significant coverage of her? Certainly not.

(9) An identical copy of the same article as number 2, on a different website. Not only does that mean it adds nothing whatever to evidence of notability, but it also strongly suggests that it is a press release, and therefore not independent coverage.

(3) An interview with Salveson.

(4) An article about a film. Near the bottom of the article is a list of eleven people involved in the production of the film. Salveson's name is included in the list; that is the only mention of her.

(5) Same again, for the same film, except that this time Salveson's name is in a list of thirteen instead of eleven.

(7) Same again, for the same film, except that this time Salveson's name is in a list of six.

(6) A page on Rotten Tomatoes, which lists the films on which Salveson has been an executive producer, the Rotten Tomatoes score, and the year of release of the film. Also for one of the films it gives the box office takings.

(8) An article about another film, which tells us that "The film is financed by Emily Hunter Salveson".

Obviously, none of this is evidence of notability in Wikipedia's sense. JBW (talk) 20:32, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per above. I was going to nominate this myself. There are some trivial mentions and a bit of coverage about a company she founded, but nothing in-depth about her. Just a run-of-the-mill business person – no real indication of notability. C F A 💬 00:10, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Albert Kim

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Reviewed during New Page Patrol. No evidence of wp:notability under sng or gng. Article is basic resume/cv type material. The references are either his employers, him, or brief mentions. Looking for GNG references, I took a closer look at number 2 (circa Aug 16, 2024) which is an interview of him and another person, and #14 which is a promo for an item on their website and content looks like a resume supplied by him North8000 (talk) 19:50, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yazeed Al Rashed Al Khuzai

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Doesn't meet WP:NAUTHOR. An author with non notable literary works. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 18:51, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Marco Pierre White Jr

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:BLP. This person seems to only be notable for being the first man to be evicted on any UK series of Big Brother. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 14:00, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Not voting yet, but I did consider redirecting it myself after its failed DYK nomination (I created the article and it was originally much longer). I would say there's more than enough WP:SUSTAINED coverage of him, though I wonder if WP:NPF applies. Pinging @UndercoverClassicist, RoySmith, Vaticidalprophet, Theleekycauldron, AirshipJungleman29, and Freedom4U: for their input.--Laun chba ller 15:04, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At least on the current sources provided, there's a question mark over WP:NOTNEWS for me -- lots of sources, but all ephemeral tabloid stuff rather than any serious interest in the person himself. I suppose there's an argument that the sheer volume of such coverage implies that someone is interested in him, but I'd need convincing at the moment that those interested people include enough sources that would clear WP:RS (and perhaps WP:NINHERITED to boot). At the moment, I don't think I have a vote either way, but that may change as this discussion develops. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I'll just quote myself from the DYK nomination because I think it applies just as well here as it did there: I'm not a fan of these types of articles. I don't know if I can justify this on any policy grounds, but IAR yuck. RoySmith (talk) 15:30, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ugh. I've just taken the time to read the entire article. It's worse than my initial impression. Either of WP:CRIME or WP:BLP would work for a policy-based justification. Please make this go away. RoySmith (talk) 20:44, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete coverage seems rather unencyclopedic. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:53, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Trey

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Procedural nomination on J2009j's behalf as they had some technical issues. I am neutral and just re-filing this.

"I believe this article does not meet any notability criteria. There is 1 barely reliable billboard article that can be considered a real source. All the articles are interviews, press, releases, and on some random sites. I do not understand how it was even accepted in the first place.

For example, there are sources like 4 "Ryan Trey Songs, Albums, Reviews, Bio & More |..." AllMusic. Retrieved July 29, 2024. or P, Milca (August 25, 2018). "Ryan Trey Previews "August" Album With "Mutual Butterflies"". HotNewHipHop. Retrieved July 29, 2024., or sources 8, 2, 3 - those are all interviews, or press releases. Those are not national magazines, but some sites with news online. Then most of the sources from 13- to 24 are literally interviews on online news sites. All, except an article on Billboard. So why are those considered "reliable" sources? " Star Mississippi 01:23, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: I generally prefer not to engage in AfD (Articles for Deletion) discussions, as my focus is on improving and creating articles for notable subjects. However, I feel compelled to address the nomination of this article. Nominating an article simply because an editor's draft was rejected seems unwarranted. The sources cited, such as the one from BET, provide significant coverage and should not be dismissed as mere interviews.[1] These sources, along with others, clearly demonstrate that the subject meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines. I believe the article is well-supported and merits inclusion in Wikipedia. Afro 📢Talk! 07:05, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I never nominated anything before. J2009j (talk) 01:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's totally fine. It happens to all of us at one time or another. I tried to fix it but realized it would just be easier to delete and nominate on your behalf. Star Mississippi 01:42, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Sources 2,3 and 19 are directly about this individual and have been identified as RS by CiteHighlighter. I think we have more than enough with what's given. Oaktree b (talk) 02:15, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source 3 is a review, which is a paragraph long personal opinion.

Source 2 is an interview, and interview cannot be used as a reliable so urce.

Source 19 - is an interview again and it does not establish notability. It is what a person says about themselves. J2009j (talk) 06:19, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Trey has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable and not self-published, so easliy passes WP:NSINGER. Theroadislong (talk) 16:43, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you provide an example, that is other than an interview? I am confused because it seems same criterias are ignored on wikipedia for other articles. J2009j (talk) 23:46, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, if not procedural keep for a WP:POINTed nomination. There is plenty of secondary coverage outside of interview transcripts, and certainly more than enough to write an article (e.g.: [2][3][4]). The multiple interviews in Billboard, while they don't directly contribute to GNG, are good indications of notability. And there are many other, shorter articles with secondary coverage that would've added up to GNG anyways. Strong pass in my opinion. C F A 💬 00:28, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies to @Afrowriter:, the creator. It appears this was a bad faith nomination that I inadvertently assisted on by helping with the broken template. I do not want to close it to make it look like I'm hiding anything, but no objection if someone else wants to do so. Star Mississippi 01:30, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like an easy Keep so I'd suggesting that we let it run 7 days and encourage Afrowriter not to stress out about this. I've found that early closures can be challenged at DRV and it would be nice to not prolong this with an additional review. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:08, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Its ok thanks @Liz and @Star Mississippi I have no issue with the article being nominated for Articles for Deletion (AfD) discussions. As I mentioned earlier on my talk page, I respect the collaborative nature of Wikipedia and believe it is best to allow other editors to review and discuss the articles before making any decisions.

I have volunteered willingly to assist @J2009j in improving his draft. However, he seems intent on using my article as a reference for his declined article and feels that nominating it for deletion would be a good idea. I have had other drafts declined in the past, and rather than being discouraged, these experiences have motivated me to learn from my mistakes and improve. Afro 📢Talk! 05:51, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Saul Jay Singer

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Fails WP:GNG, WP:NBIO; no WP:SIGCOV in independent, reliable sources. Sources in the article are entirely primary sources. Plus, GPTZero gives this page a 100% likelihood of being AI-generated (and the author was blocked for using text from LLMs). Dclemens1971 (talk) 21:19, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to The Jewish Press#Contributors—where the subject is listed—per nom and WP:ATD-R. Also fails WP:JOURNALIST. Nom's point about the article creator's use of AI tools is concerning. StonyBrook _babble 00:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Prashant Kumar (IPS)

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of notability under SNG or GNG. Nothing anywhere near even 1 GNG reference. One is just a personnel list and 4 are covering the same item...announcement of appointment as acting head of Uttar Pradesh police. North8000 (talk) 14:07, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I'm sure he's a fine police officer, but as far as notability and inclusion in an encyclopedia, the information does not meet WP:GNG. Ira Leviton (talk) 01:07, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Does not look like a BLP1E to me. I am seeing continuing coverage not just a single burst around one claim to fame. In particular. Some of the sources have limited coverage but I think there is enough to meet WP:GNG and searching in local languages would probably bring up even more. User: dsrprj (talk) 06:45, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michael A. DeMayo

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I don't know what to make of this article. Most of the sources available are marginal or sponsored or self, including for the firm, and the most reliable sources are only about disciplinary action against the attorney by the North Carolina Bar. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 12:36, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Karelina Clarke

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Does not match WP:ENT Bulklana (talk) 19:55, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Ascendant (2021 film) where she plays (a young version) of the main character's sister. Probably Too Soon. duffbeerforme (talk) 07:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect Agree with the redirect recommendation above, but would also support a delete recommendation. In either case, she doesn’t meet notability guidelines to merit an individual article. Go4thProsper (talk) 20:06, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Afsheen (musician)

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The creating editor has had this draft declined several times at WP:AFC and has expressed the firm opinion that it should be in mainspace in its current form. They have the right to disagree with reviewers. I have accepted the draft and am submitting it to AfD on the simple basis that the several reviewers who declined it may have a different view from the community. Consensus is our governing mantra, and will be formed now. I view this as a very poorly referenced offering that does not verify its subject's notability. I have reviewed each of the 22 alleged references. Of the 22 I find only a couple that have any form of real coverage about Afsheen, several which are track listings, which add no clue to verifying notability, several more which are pure churnalism - breathy notices of new releases, at least one which has no mention of Afsheen, several interviews with Asheen (we have no interest in what he says, we are only interested in what is said about him.) 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 18:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for accepting. I strongly believe it meets the WP:COMPOSER I added CD as sources, and ask you to check those before voting. Those are also included in over 20 wikipedia articles about his work.

Criteria for composers and lyricists

WP:COMPOSER

For the WikiProject, see Wikipedia:Composers.

Composers, songwriters, librettists or lyricists, may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria:

Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition. - "there are over 20 notable composition that even have their own WIKIPEDIA articles." Mentioned in over 23 sources I added to the article.
Has written musical theatre of some sort (e.g., musicals, operas) that was performed in a notable theatre that had a reasonable run, as such things are judged in their particular situation, context, and time.
Has had a work used as the basis for a later composition by a songwriter, composer, or lyricist who meets the above criteria.
Has written a composition that has won (or in some cases been given a second or other place) in a major music competition not established expressly for newcomers.
Has been listed as a major influence or teacher of a composer, songwriter, or lyricist that meets the above criteria.
Appears at reasonable length in standard reference books on their genre of music.

J2009j (talk) 18:50, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe this should be interpreted as a Keep opinion. Doubtless J2009j will confirm this by adding "Keep" in bold to their input. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 18:53, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely 🥸.I did not know WP:COMPOSER exists. J2009j (talk) 19:08, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would ask @Oaktree b, whom I saw many times on the delete page to review this and WP:COMPOSER, and criteria #1 if he has time, please. I am actually tired for this category being ignored every time I ask. J2009j (talk) 23:21, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I don't see notability of any flavour, be it WP:GNG, WP:MUSICBIO, WP:CREATIVE or otherwise. The fundamental problem here is that an association with several notable musicians and/or musical works is being whipped up to a claim of share-of-notability for everyone involved, as in the old proverb that "success has many fathers" etc., which just doesn't cut it. This individual may well be talented, for all I know, and might one day become notable, but just isn't there yet. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:08, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@DoubleGrazing Hi! I think you deliberately ignored my comment about WP:COMPOSER criteria #1, because you declined my draft. Rules are the same for all. If I see something wrong, I say it, and I believe it is fine to point it out. I may not be an editor with many years of experience- but this is the rule about WP:COMPOSER J2009j (talk) 19:12, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He also produced a few dozen song so also meets WP:CREATIVE. You can check that in Discography, with all the CDs. I believe you did not check.

You also contradict yourself with this "share-of notability". What do the rules say- "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work."

Same goes to composer, he wrote alone and in team "Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition".

Let's be objective. If you do not like someone's article, it does not mean you should make claims that are clearly false, and contradict Wikipedia rules.

The person wrote a dozen songs that have wikipedia page - and you write "I know, and might one day become notable, but just isn't there yet." But I see editors who decline this draft, accept this one Ryan Trey. That is clearly bias, so I am defending it. I hope all can make objective decisions. Thanks <3 J2009j (talk) 19:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I have now warned J2009j twice for their personal attacks on DoubleGrazing. I hope this behaviour will now cease. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. So let's respect policies and WP:COMPOSER and other rules.⭐️ J2009j (talk) 20:01, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: ignoring their interjection above, they have reached an L3 warning for personal attacks on DoubleGrazing. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Although I suspect a possible WP:COI, WP:UPE, it's normal to fight for the notability of a draft/article. With regards to that, I sense a bit notability in the draft but not enough to meet WP:GNG. For now, he hasn't been covered significantly in multiple reliable sources (interviews aren't part of them). Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 20:54, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to add the I made a point about WP:COMPOSER, as it meets it. I added multiple reliable sources such as CD with work credits. J2009j (talk) 21:04, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Does not meet any SNGs, ANYBIO, or GNG. The creator has repeatedly tried to convince me that they meet WP:NMUSICIAN #2, #8, #10, #11, etc. They do not. They are listed as a producer on some songs that meet those criteria, but Afsheen is not the musician and it does not really help their notability. There are a few trivial mentions in reliable sources, and a few pieces in random blogs. Not enough to meet GNG or write a verifiable article. To the creator: the amount of review requests you've sent to editors is crazy. More than half your live contributions are talk page review requests about various drafts of yours. You've asked for a review of this draft twice on Timtrent's talk page, three times on SafariScribe's talk page, on Randompersonediting's talk page, on Wikishovel's talk page, on Shenaall's talk page, on Theroadislong's talk page, once on Paper9oll's talk page, on Bsoyka's talk page, on Qcne's talk page, on my talk page, two times at the AfC help desk, and at the Teahouse. This is textbook forum shopping and you've already been warned about this. The only times I've seen editors so concerned about re-reviews and waiting have been when they have had financial stakes in the topic. C F A 💬 21:59, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I added a category it meets, which you seem to ignore. WP:COMPOSER. I believe it exists on Wikipedia for this specific case. I added multiple reliable sources such as CD with work credits. I did not like it when I saw the editor Safari accepted this article Ryan Trey, while declining mine. This reminded me of some kind of financial stakes. Correct me if I am wrong. I am open to discuss. This article is only based on interviews on random sites, and yet all my question regarding the category of composers I found were ignored by same editors who know each other. I believe it is more than fair for me to express these concerns.
Why there is such a category like WP:COMPOSER on Wikipedia then if main editors just ignore my questions about it?
For the WikiProject, see Wikipedia:Composers.
Composers, songwriters, librettists or lyricists, may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria:
Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition. - "there are over 20 notable composition that even have their own WIKIPEDIA articles." Mentioned on the official CD records, and over 23 sources I added to the article.
J2009j (talk) 22:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
According to you none of these songs are "notable compositions"? Afsheen (musician)#Discography? J2009j (talk) 22:58, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Admin comment I have p-blocked J2009j from this page to allow consensus to form. I have also warned them that if disruption moves elsewhere, the block will be broadened. Star Mississippi 01:40, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Well, the now-blocked editor has asked me to comment; I'm not sure we have notability, but the Latin Grammy nomination would imply MUSIC notability. I've not reviewed the sources to confirm how useful they are however. I'll report back in a bit. Oaktree b (talk) 02:03, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Well, the Latin Grammy website confirms he was nominated. Unfortunately, there aren't enough sources to support notability. This [5] and [6], neither of which are reliable sources per Project Album [7], which I've used to review past musical articles here. Being nominated for a Latin Grammy is an indicator of notability, but we still need sourcing that discusses the subject at hand. I tend to agree that most of the sourcing used now in the article isn't helpful and not in reliable sources. Oaktree b (talk) 02:09, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - What the creator misses is that qualifying under WP:COMPOSER doesn't mean the subject is automatically considered notable, but merely a sign that the subject may be notable. But reliable sources covering this subject beyond credits to verify their existence and contribution are incredibly sparse. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 05:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Not able to establish notability, nomination rationale is on point, and other delete voters have said everything. Tehonk (talk) 05:59, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wadha bint Muhammad Al Orair

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Redirect to Descendants of Ibn Saud where the article subject is already covered. Fails WP:NOTINHERITED. Non-notable member of the Saudi royal family and coverage is either WP:ROUTINE engagements or in relation to her family lineage, not WP:SIGCOV on her as a notable individual. Longhornsg (talk) 17:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Latifa bint Abdulaziz Al Saud

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Fails WP:NOTINHERITED. Notability, and thus coverage of her, is due to her relation to notable members of the Saudi royal family or her family lineage. She's not notable as the daughter of a King of Saudi Arabia. Longhornsg (talk) 17:53, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I'm not finding anything suggesting that she's of note in her own right. The article itself practically asks us to reach this conclusion as, except for the very last sentence, it's no more than an enumeration of who she's related to. The only thing it says about her in her own right as that she donates to universities. Largoplazo (talk) 23:37, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Descendants_of_Ibn_Saud#Hussa Al Sudairi where she gets a mention and is in the only context for which she is notable. I would have said "Merge" if there had been anything useful, like her dates, to add to that list entry. PamD 08:13, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per non. 223.204.71.128 (talk) 00:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nominater. Azarctic (talk) 23:13, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Peller (comedian)

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A Stub-class assessed article, Not notable to be on mainspace, from the references provided, article fails WP:SIGCOV, no in-depth information as regards to weather it should be kept on Wikipedia as a stand alone article, there are little references from secondary sources, seams very promotional and I think it should be deleted, all I see is mentions and references about social media “Tiktok” which has nothing to do with Notability on Wikipedia. Getreallycool (talk) 22:39, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete no SIGCOV. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 04:21, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The entry passes the general notability guidelines per these sources here.

- Okanlawon, Taiwo (2 June 2024). "Five things you need to know about Peller". PM News. Retrieved 14 August 2024.
- Akinyemi, Femi (17 April 2024). "Peller: Teenage sensation taking digital world by storm". Nigerian Tribune. Retrieved 14 August 2024.
- Okanlawon, Taiwo (30 May 2024). "Meet Peller; TikTok newest sensation". PM News. Retrieved 14 August 2024.
- Alabi, Taiwo (13 February 2024). "The TikTok Titans of Nigeria: Top 5 Creators Making Waves". TheNEWS. Retrieved 14 August 2024.

I want to note that no form of WP:BEFORE was made by this apparently very new user before nominating an article for deletion. There argument that it is a stub article has nothing to do with notability nor does being a TikTok personality prevent one from being notable as noted in their nomination. Best, Reading Beans 07:30, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: An "aspiring top streamer" per the the Nigerian Tribune source used in the article confirms this is TOOSOON. The rest are "meet the celebrity" articles... For someone taking the world by storm, there is a lack of coverage outside of Nigeria. Only new coverage I can find is that this person bought a Mercedes [8], which is nothing notable. I wish them well, but we're not quite at notability yet. Oaktree b (talk) 18:22, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Subhash Shinde

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Non-notable makeup professional. There's a long list of films that are unverified. Brief mention in this article but that doesn't meet WP:GNG. Other search results are various social media accounts. ZimZalaBim ^talk 22:00, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Anjalika Wijesinghe

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Fails WP:ANYBIO, requires significant coverage in multiple reliable independent secondary sources. Both cited sources are predominately based on primary sources, which lack any independent editorial oversight. Dan arndt (talk) 11:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The article is based on two sources: an article in a newspaper: Daily Mirror (Sri Lanka) and an article on a magazine called Lanka Woman, which is published by Wijeya Newspapers Ltd. No evidence has been produced for the claim that the newspaper and magazine "lack any independent editorial oversight". Presumably more sources could be found in native-language publications in Ceylon.-- Toddy1 (talk) 12:13, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment the article in Lanka Woman, is entirely based on an interview with Wijesinghe (which is a primary source). There is no indication that the interviewer or the publisher has undertaken any fact checking to ascertain whether Wijesinghe's statements are correct. Dan arndt (talk) 12:42, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. No pass of GNG. Sources are not adequate. BLP reads like LinkedIn blather ("force to be reckoned with"). Xxanthippe (talk) 22:40, 13 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Delete. Once the blather is removed, there's nothing left. Fails WP:GNG and is nowhere on the same planet as WP:NPROF. Qflib (talk) 02:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No claim of notability in the article. The two sources smell more like paid publicity / churnalism than reliable journalism. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:37, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ron Wyatt

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Ron Wyatt was, according to fellow Christian fundamentalists, a fraud. But we can't really source that because no reliable source has covered it. The lack of interest from reality-based sources extends to everything else about the man. While the article has superficial referenciness, the sources cited fail to meet the Wikipedia standards of reliability and independence.This is a squarely WP:FRINGE topic that needs robust sourcing to maintain a solidly reality-based perspective.

There's a source represented as "andrews.edu" but in fact a monograph published in the Adventist Review (Wyatt was a member of the Seventh-day Adventist Church). We have an article on "maintaining creationist integrity" - a horse that bolted so long ago that was long since rendered into glue - by Ken Ham and others, on the AiG website, an obviously unreliable source for anything even tangentially connected to reality. We have allthatsinteresting.com, which takes itself moderately seriously but largely draws on the same creationist argumentation as above.

I really don't think we can defend having an article on a pseudoarchaeologist when we can't even source the fact that he was a pseudoarchaeologist. Guy (help! - typo?) 20:42, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Durupınar site, which seems to be what he is (very vaguely) notable for. Slatersteven (talk) 20:50, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this article should have never been created to begin with, due to the lack of reliable references. Catfurball (talk) 21:44, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with other amateur archeologists here: Searches for Noah's Ark 20th Century where Wyatt is already mentioned. "Criticism" section on subject's page can be incorporated into this section or biography by name can be created as a stand-alone. Maineartists (talk) 22:37, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I don't see either a case for notability or the presence of any content worth merging. XOR'easter (talk) 03:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think it would be useful for Wikipedia to have an article on the subject, see for instance recent articles from 'New York Times and Jerusalem Post, seeming popularity among some groups and the number of claims made aside from Sinai. I think we can "source" pseudoarchaeologist, but the major sources for the article would be Biblical Archaeology Review, Christianity Today, and Skeptic, at least so far. fiveby(zero) 16:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- If anyone can spin gold out of this straw, it is User:Fiveby. I'm a little nervous about sourcing still, but I've seen that user work wonder with similar seemingly moribund subjects. jps (talk) 18:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cline, Eric H. (2007). From Eden to Exile: Unraveling Mysteries of the Bible. National Geographic. two short paragraphs on Ark and capture by Kurdish separatists in a popular work on biblical archaeology.
Seesengood, Robert Paul (2016). The Bible in Motion. De Gruyter. pp. 216–218. description of a 2006 documentary Testimony of the Ark, marginally useful
Danforth, Loring M. (2016). "Finding Science in the Quran". Crossing the Kingdom: Portraits of Saudi Arabia. p. 131. ticks the pseudoarchaeologist box if needed, just a short mention but i'll quote for the "useful for Wikipedia to have an article":
[Dr. Lamya Shahin, a physician who serves as director of outreach for Islamic Education Foundation] ended her talk with a discussion of the Muslim perspective on homosexuality, which drew heavily on the work of Ron Wyatt, the Biblical pseudoarchaeologist, best known for his “discovery” of Noah’s ark on Mount Ararat. Shahin presented detailed geological evidence (including satellite mapping and geochemical analysis) demonstrating that balls of sulphur and fire from nearby volcanic eruptions had destroyed the ancient cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. This, she said, proved scientifically that homosexuality was against the will of God and that gays and lesbians were evil...
Gierlowski-Kordesch, Elizabeth H. (1998). "Discovered Sodom and Gomorrah!". Biblical Archaeology Review. 24 (5): 60–62. on the above balls of sulphur and fire, general comments from the editors on Wyatt and a geologist invited to comment
"See Ark City?". News Sentinel. Knoxville, TN. August 17, 1997. most in depth news i've found out of a bunch of brief mentions, kind of shows the problem here, quotes John D. Morris for "...not accepted by those who've done the scientific work"
Levine, Haninah (September 8, 2003). "On the Trail of Jeremiah and the Smuggled Holy Ark". The Jerusalem Report. mostly on a 2003 dig by a Wyatt Archaeological Research foundation, but some comments on Wyatt's earlier work
Burnett, Thom, ed. (2005). ""God's Archeologist" Ron Wyatt". Conspiracy Encyclopedia: the encyclopedia of conspiracy theories. Collins & Brown. from fr:Ron Wyatt. Conspiracy Encyclopedia
Vitelli, Romeo (October 25, 2012). "The Indiana Jones Of Tennessee". James Randi Educational Foundation. blog, WP:PARITY
Lawler, Andrew (2021). Under Jerusalem : the buried history of the world’s most contested city. Doubleday. 8-10 paragraphs on Garden Tomb
Isaak, Mark (2007). The Counter-Creationism Handbook. University of California Press. couple entries for Durupınar and anchor stones, but lists for further reading sources i'd already rejected:

Collins, L. G. (December 2016). "Noah's Ark near Dogubayazit, Turkey?" (PDF). Perspectives on Science and Christian Faith. 68 (4).
Merling, David. "Has Noah's Ark Been Found?". Tentmaker Ministries. this is part of a series "Ron Wyatt Archaeological Research Fraud Documentation"

Mikkelson, David (December 16, 2013). "Was Noah's Ark Found by Explorers in Eastern Turkey?". Snopes. but relies on Andrew A. Snelling in part and Collins

Thanks much for the generous compliment jps! I expect this will turn out like most others, can probably dredge up enough to meet notability but the real question is does anyone have the inclination, time, and ability to write the thing. fiveby(zero) 00:03, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proquest? Slatersteven (talk) 10:28, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ProQuest thru WP:Library, the links working for you? fiveby(zero) 12:14, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or Merge with Durupınar site. There are six US newspaper sources available in a Google search for site:newspapers.com "Ron Wyatt" Noah's Ark. 5Q5|^✉ 12:04, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:GHITS is not a good argument. Those articles would need to be examined to see if they're reliable, and more than a passing mention. — The Hand That Feeds You:^Bite 19:33, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, i'd like to hear from JzG if his concerns have been addressed and Doug Weller, but if they don't respond draftify or redirect to Durupınar and allow recreation. fiveby(zero) 15:08, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think we have enough and that it's notable. My chemotherapy is weakening me but I guess I can try to find the time. Doug Weller talk 15:29, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Friedrich Wilhelm Quintscher

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Notability not established; mentions, but no in-depth sources exist. Skyerise (talk) 19:54, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - for what it's worth, this article seems to have originally been written on the German Wikipedia. Friedrich Wilhelm Quintscher. There seems to be more content on the German site. — Maile (talk) 23:02, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Which seems to be sourced entirely to a self-published book. Skyerise (talk) 23:24, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The paper by Nicolas Goodrick-Clarke that I added to the article suggests that "Hans Thomas Hakl’s lengthy and closely documented introduction" to a scholarly(?) edition of Sättler's work includes moderate discussion of Quintscher. I do't know how closely that resembles the paper already cited in this article. There are also a few paragraphs on Quintscher in Stephen E. Flowers's The Fraternitas Saturni, but I think we could argue about how reliable that is as a source. I don't think I have access to them, but there may be discussion this or this chapter, both from reputable academic publishers. Josh Milburn (talk) 08:18, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sujan Singh (contractor)

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Contested PROD. Fails WP:GNG, WP:NBIO; all sources that provide WP:SIGCOV are authored by family members of the subject. (The article was also created by an apparent COI editor, now blocked, with a track record of creating a WP:WALLEDGARDEN of articles about their family members.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:41, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: per nom. Fails WP:BASIC. C F A 💬 16:59, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - Good news and books coverage.--Ameen Akbar (talk) 20:06, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@امین اکبر: None of the sources in the article are "news," and none of the books are independent of the subject (they are written by his family members). Can you please share which sources you consider to be WP:SIGCOV in secondary, independent and reliable sources? Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Resmi R Nair

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I am curious about how this person meets WP:GNG criteria. This article does not appear to satisfy the necessary guidelines for notability.The only reliable citation in this article pertains to the news of this person arrest in a sex racket.But this incident alone does not contribute to her notability or prominence.This article was previously deleted thrugh AFD Disscusion. Padavalam🌂 ► 14:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: This appears to be a clear case of WP:BLP1E. The sources that come close to being significant only cover their arrest related to the online racket. I can’t find any other independent sources with significant coverage of the subject, so it fails to meet WP:GNG. I would like to hear the author’s comments on this article; perhaps they can provide significant coverage of the subject beyond the racket case. If they succeed, the subject might pass GNG. GrabUp - Talk 14:32, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I had created this for her career as a model, she was also instrumental in establishing the Kiss of Love protest. The arrest was secondary. I assumed the Kiss of Love protest was what made her notable for wikipedia here. Oaktree b (talk) 14:48, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no doubt that the Kiss of Love protest was significant, and she played a central role in it. However, does that make her inherently notable? I am unable to find significant coverage of her in articles related to the protest. GrabUp - Talk 14:55, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any other notable achievements or news articles about her apart from those related to the Kiss of Love and controversy? If not, delete. CheramanMale (talk) 10:51, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Fails WP:GNG, per nom. Charliehdb (talk) 15:07, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hikmat Zaid

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The article is highly promotion and extremely non neutral. It does use sources for some material but other material is extremely lacking in basic citations. Some sources cite to sources that are, in my opinion, not reliable at all. Others are to Fatah or Fatah-related organizations for which the subject was a non-trivial member and therefore not independent.

Created by a COI contributor and previously draftified and disputed. Creator has now been blocked for sockpuppetry for trying to deceive the connection they have had to the subject, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Abul7ik/Archive#10 August 2024. I understand that, given the COI, this could still be sent back to AfC but, given the block, I think that would be a round-about way of just {{g13}}ing the draft.

I also think this article is on the cusp of being {{g11}}ed but I may be biased given that my previous attempts to aid in fixing the draft have clearly been met in bad faith. I think any attempt to add maintenance tags would double the size of the article. My opinion is that it exists solely to promote the subject, and there is valid justification for a TNT deletion here. Bobby Cohn (talk) 13:44, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep and stubify. He meets NPOL as a member of the Palestinian Legislative Council (I checked, it's verifiable here). The entire article is obviously written by AI (scores 100% on GPTZero) so it should be trimmed down to a stub that can be expanded neutrally and verifiably. I have also tagged all the images for dated deletion on Commons because they are clearly not the uploader's own work. C F A 💬 15:44, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Certainly notable, but likely needs WP:TNTing due to the amount of AI used. Curbon7 (talk) 21:27, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A note to the closer: as the nominator, given the NPOL consideration per CFA, I think a Stubify close would be considered inline with my TNT nomination. No opposition to that ATD, as it were. Bobby Cohn (talk) 13:18, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep We shouldn't delete the Wikipedia page on Hikmat Zaid. He's a key political figure, and plenty of pages exist about less important people. If the article needs workᅳlike if it reads too much like it was written by a botᅳlet's just fix it, rather than remove it. This page actually has value in allowing people to understand current politics a little better. Let's work on improving this, not deleting it.

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Comment I began process of trimming down the thread starting with the lead. Can check preview here. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hikmat_Zaid&diff=prev&oldid=1240506350 Drake Thompson (talk) 18:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update Reworked lead, early life and education and early political career sections. Wouldn't mind some help with the rest if anyone is interested (: Drake Thompson (talk) 17:44, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Reworked Rise to power section Drake Thompson (talk) 20:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and improve balance if needed. FourPi (talk) 12:02, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ I reworked the entire article, all sections were removed and replaced with different text. I believe the article should be reviewed again and its removal should be revoked. Drake Thompson (talk) 00:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Drake Thompson: please strike this, your second !vote, as you've already !voted once. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:15, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as clearly notable per NPOL, and the notability grounds are reliably supported (whether they were at the time of commencing this discussion, I don't know). Also just to remind that deletion is not cleanup. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:20, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pandit Pawan

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Fails WP:GNG or WP:NPOL, There is no Indepth coverage. Most of the sources are user generated, not reliable sources, (WP:RS). Notion Press, Goodreads.com, Gaana. etc. All these are non-reliable sources. Youknow? (talk) 08:26, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:GNG. Most sources on the page are poor, primary and unreliable. I cannot find subject's work that has made a significant impact and achievement (nationally or internationally) and demonstrated by secondary independent reliable sources. RangersRus (talk) 13:18, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:GNG and most of the sources are unreliable. Charliehdb (talk) 15:24, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per nom C F A 💬 16:14, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The article fails WP:GNG, there is no significant coverage in enough reliable secondary sources MohReddy (talk) 22:22, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clark Patterson Lee

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Notability. Very limited news coverage, mostly mentioned in passing or in a list of other firms. SSR07 (talk) 15:28, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Most news mentions are hiring and promotion announcements. Most of the remainder are passing mentions as the architecture firm for some project. I found no significant coverage. - Donald Albury 20:11, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jamal Zougam

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WP:BLP1E. Merge content where appropriate into 2004 Madrid train bombings, then redirect the page. Longhornsg (talk) 06:05, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment judging from the Spanish article, it's likely that if the main article was brought to FA level comprehensiveness a biography should be written on him per size split reasons, given that he is one of the key figures in one of the deadliest terror attacks ever. So, if this is merged, I would not oppose it being split out again at some time. PARAKANYAA (talk) 07:34, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also, he does have (not counting life sentences), the third longest prison sentence of all time. I feel that is perhaps a claim to notability. From what I'm looking at an article could definitely be written on him - BLP1E is for low level crimes, not ones that kill nearly 200 people. The other two conditions of the policy are the person being a "low profile individual" (he is not) and that the event not be a SIGNIFICANT historical event in which the role of the person is well documented (he is). So he does not fail BLP1E. With more notorious cases there are often the sources to write both, and the reason he is the one with an article is because he seemed to be one of the more prominent figures. Same reason we have an article on Mohamed Atta. So either keep or merge for now. PARAKANYAA (talk) 08:12, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Zhu Yudong

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I can’t see any in depth coverage in RIS to indicate that this subject is notable. There may be sources in Chinese I didn’t manage to turn up - if not this article should go. Mccapra (talk) 00:58, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I have been finding Chinese language sources for this subject, who seems to be a pretty famous director. I haven't yet found any RS that demonstrate individual notability, but I'll look again later today and report my findings or not findings as applicable. Our article is longer than his Baidu page, which seems kinda sus. Folly Mox (talk) 11:24, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Here are some sources I found:
1. Wang, Xiaoye 王小野 (2021-02-18). ""数字文创展——来自四维空间的线圈世界"展览开幕：用科技与艺术传递光与爱" ["Digital Cultural and Creative Exhibition - Coil World from Four-Dimensional Space" Exhibition Opens: Delivering Light and Love with Technology and Art]. china.com [zh] (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-08-12. Retrieved 2024-08-12.
  The article provides a passing mention. The article notes: "中央新影集团著名导演朱昱东". From Google Translate: "Zhu Yudong, a famous director from China Film Group"
2. "电影《海霞》要拍续集了" [The movie "Haixia" is going to have a sequel]. Wenzhou Business Daily [zh] (in Chinese). 2012-08-30. p. 文娱 14.
  The article notes: "月中旬到10月初开拍。执导此部电影的总导演为中央电视台副台长、中央新影集团总裁高峰。导演为中央电视台科教节目制作中心导演朱昱东，他的电影剧本《达西的季节》、《他们》曾分别获得国家广播电影电视总局夏衍杯剧本奖、中国台湾“行政院新闻局”优良剧本征选大"
  From Google Translate: "...Filming will start from mid-October to early October. The chief director of this movie is Gao Feng, deputy director of CCTV and president of China Film Group. The director is Zhu Yudong, director of CCTV's Science and Education Program Production Center. His movie scripts "Darcy's Season" and "They" have won the Xia Yan Cup Script Award of the State Administration of Radio, Film and Television and the Excellent Script Selection Competition of the "Executive Yuan News Bureau" of Taiwan, China..."
Cunard (talk) 09:12, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The Chinese Wikipedia article was deleted in December 2010 after a sparsely attended discussion at zh:Wikipedia:頁面存廢討論/記錄/2021/12/04#朱昱东. The sources I found suggest Zhu Yudong is notable but are not by themselves enough for him to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline or Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria. If more sources cannot be found, I would recommend delete. I hope more sources can be found. Cunard (talk) 09:12, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much for looking into this. Mccapra (talk) 09:20, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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David Huffaker

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Per article, Director of UX Research for Google, but no further claims of notability. Two sources are linked from the article, the first appears to be a small interview in a highly specialized publication, the second is a personal blog of one of Huffaker's colleagues. His Google scholar profile indicates one paper with 1,000+ citations and a handful around 500, not sure I would classify this as highly influential. Can't find many other sources while doing WP:BEFORE. Doesn't seem to be notable by WP:NACADEMIC, WP:NBUSINESSPERSON, or WP:GNG. Bestagon ⬡ 20:30, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. This person's publications seem to be in the realm of sociology, and I'm thinking this is not a high citation field - would like to hear other's views on that. The article is a stub that does not really focus on their academic impact - it needs fleshing out in that regard if it's to stay. Qflib (talk)
Keep. His research (at least that done before working at Google) is highly cited. It would take digging through the citing works to understand the impact. That's a big job. For the biographical information, the difficulty is that I found only one short and undated bio paragraph attached to a talk he gave - which can't be considered independent. So I think Keep based on his publications, but the bio information will remain very, very thin for now. Lamona (talk) 01:43, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comments: interesting. A scholar with over a thousand cites should be notable, but there are only two cites in the stub. Not sure what to do. Bearian (talk) 03:50, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Right, and of those sources one is a blog and the other is an interview with the subject, not about him but about some of his perspectives on data science. I really don't think we have an RS about the subject himself. Bestagon ⬡ 15:20, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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True that there aren't good independent sources about him. I believe that is often the case with academics and researchers. For those I see links to their page at the university they work for, and maybe a CV. I did see references to him speaking at conferences. I'll see what I can add. Lamona (talk) 04:39, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please review article I added quite a bit. It still may strike folks as a bit thin, but I think it meets NACADEMIC at this point. Lamona (talk) 05:36, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. With the additions provided by Lamona, we see among other things that this subject's work has had substantial impact outside academia (Google Maps and busyness). I believe he meets C7 of WP:NPROF. Qflib (talk) 04:44, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mlaka Maliro

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Fails WP:NMUSICIAN or WP:GNG. Can't find sufficient sources to establish notability in any context. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:38, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep or ~~Redirect to~~: Music_of_Malawi#Lucius_Banda,_Evison_Matafale_and_Mlaka_Maliro I found lots of GNG. WP:NMUSICIAN states that:

Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart: in this case, subject had the album titled Dzanja Lalemba that was the bestseller 14 years ago countrywide. Subject is also the pioneer of Malawi Contemporary Music and one of the country's notable musician [9]https://mwnation.com/mlaka-soldier-set-for-stage-reunion/.
Has released two or more albums on a major record label: subject has released 13 albums under the renowed and the first band in Malawi, the Zembani Band, owned by Lucius Banda [10]https://mwnation.com/mlaka-soldier-set-for-stage-reunion/, [11]https://mwnation.com/mlaka-rolls-back-hands-of-time/ . I found this that talks about subject. I also found records in printed books, see here, and this in Dutch , this too, etc. To me this provides GNG that can be used to sustain the article per WP:NEXIST.--Tumbuka Arch (talk) 11:47, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bret Kamwi

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Article doesn't meet WP:NAUTHOR and WP:ACTOR. At most impact, for directing a quite significantly covered play, I won't have at prejudice with redirecting to List of Namibian writers. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 13:46, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mohammad Kabiri

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Not seeing how they satisfy WP:NPOL. He only served as a "deputy of cooperative affairs in the Ministry of Cooperation, Labor and Social Welfare". Does not meet WP:GNG at best. Jamiebuba (talk) 15:06, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, the correct title would be Deputy Minister. This is backed up by Farsi sources, that his title was 'معاون وزیر'. Deputy Ministers of national govts are notable, and in this case also member of Steering Council of national govt. --Soman (talk) 11:25, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure this is an NPOL pass - generally, presumed notability would be for cabinet-level posts, but as far as I know deputy ministers in Iran do not serve at cabinet level. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 00:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jasën Blu

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Nothing in this article makes the subject inherently notable, literally. Fails WP:NMUSICIAN or WP:GNG. The sources are run of the mill coverages and PRs for singles and so on. The few others that aren't PRs are promotional puff pieces. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:09, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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While @Vanderwaalforces is correct about the status of this article's subject specifically regarding WP:NMUSICIAN, it does seem to fair slightly better by WP:GNG given a number of the citations point back to reliable sources such as major publications. Also, the subject appears to be an up and coming musical act with not very much but nonetheless, a number of verifiable articles citing solo works and in a few more cases, co-citations with notable subjects via creative associations. On a recent edit to this article, I noticed a few bigger publications confirmed hitherto unverified sections, and replaced the citations on the affected section. If the subject is essentially an upcoming musical act gaining decent coverage for its works, a better alternative might be to watch article for a while for any improvement on its adherence to WP:NMUSICIAN, before an outright deletion. Kevtutado (talk) 01:47, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep the sources are not ideal but they help to represent some basic notable information about the musician.--NiftyyyNofteeeee (talk) 10:59, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seneb-Neb-Af

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I can only find sources and content unduly taking about mastaba. ~~If there should be ATD, then redirect.~~ Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 12:43, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: mastaba is not an appropriate redirect target, as he is not mentioned there. It's clear that he's only notable as the person who was buried in his mastaba, though, so the AfD discussion here should centre on whether Mastaba of Seneb-Neb-Af is notable (we can rename the article after the AfD if so). -- asilvering (talk) 18:22, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, thanks for that, Asilvering. I think we should redirect this article somewhere for now since Mastaba of Seneb-Neb-Af hasn't been created yet. Is there any target you can think of? I wouldn't support renaming because the article is a mess; lacks sources and sufficient context. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 21:03, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Mastaba is a generic term for a type of tomb. Redirecting there would make no sense. It could be mentioned at Dahshur#Tombs and cemeteries, though. XOR'easter (talk) 19:50, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I like this target but how is it connected? Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 21:08, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's where the tomb of Seneb-Neb-Af is. XOR'easter (talk) 20:37, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if having a tomb dedicated/made by/for someone establishes their notability. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 13:33, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand your comment. We know it belongs to him; it's got his name on it. -- asilvering (talk) 22:52, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SafariScribe, it's much better to respond to comments as a reply rather than rewriting your initial talk page comment. To reply to your new comment: XOR'easter is not making any kind of claim about Seneb-Neb-Af's notability. They're saying that the tomb could be mentioned in the article Dashur, since that's where the tomb is. -- asilvering (talk) 16:20, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh! Danke. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 16:56, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To be clear on my stance, I think the tomb could be mentioned there, but that it's not so important or well-reported (at this point) to be worth doing so. -- asilvering (talk) 19:14, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Okay, having looked into this a bit more, I don't think we should redirect this at all, since this is a very new finding that has only just been reported on in popular press. We don't even have a site report yet as far as I can tell? I don't think a mention is due on Dashur, and I don't think anyone searching for this name will be well-served by a redirect, either. -- asilvering (talk) 23:35, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Joseph Hodara

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Basically per WP:WEBHOST. This article has been tagged as possibly having been "created or edited in return for undisclosed payments, a violation of Wikipedia's terms of use" for over seven years with no resolution of that tag. Notable or not, Wikipedia should not maintain content that violates its terms of use for such a length of time. BD2412 T 02:52, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Russell Humphreys

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Fails WP:NBIO and WP:NPROF among others. All sources seem to be to those non-compliant with WP:FRIND. Moreover, quite a few of them are to the subject himself. jps (talk) 21:13, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The only case for notability appears to be as a fringe theorist. But per WP:FRINGE and WP:V, we need reliable sources in mainstream sources to provide a neutral mainstream view on these theories, and I found none. If we had enough reliable (mainstream) reviews of his book we could retarget this as an article about the book with a redirect from his name, but I didn't find any of those either. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment YEC isn't "fringe" in any meaningful sense, and Young Earth creationism doesn't label it as such; it's a religious perspective, and WP:FRINGE directly addresses this: For example, creationism and creation science should be described primarily as religious and political movements and the fact that claims from those perspectives are disputed by mainstream theologians and scientists should be directly addressed. Thus, comments on his scientific ideas by theologians would be addressing the topic directly and potentially count towards notability, and the search can't stop with scientists. Jclemens (talk) 00:06, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Being at odds with pretty much all sciences it touches" is a meaningful sense of "fringe". So, yes, YEC is very much fringe. --Hob Gadling (talk) 05:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Islam, Mormonism, Buddhism, Hinduism... all are at odds with pretty much all the sciences they touch. But they're not fringe because fringe is science absent religion, rather than religious perspectives on scientific topics. Jclemens (talk) 20:57, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:FRINGE is not science absent religion. I promise you. If you disagree, go ask around and see if there is consensus for your position. jps (talk) 22:06, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ fringe? The parting of the Red Sea? The direct divine revelation of the Quran or the Book of Mormon? If you think any of them might be, that's an intellectually honest but encyclopedically useless answer in that it would require religious topics be described as if they were not. If none of them are, then how do you articulate an intellectually consistent differentiation between FRINGE and unproven (and arguably unprovable) religious claims? Jclemens (talk) 18:05, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jclemens: YEC, presented as a scientific theory in the 21st century, is unquestionably fringe. There is nothing in the article in question presenting the subject as a theologian or a fantasy novelist or as any other type of person for whom this might plausibly considered as non-fringe; the article frames his work purely as science, and as such it is fringe. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:53, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You keep saying that as if repeating it will make it true. It's a theological stance, derived from a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis, trying to present itself as science. It's not; it's religion. Jclemens (talk) 18:01, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Where in our article do you find any hint that this is religious in nature? And in what sense does having a "theological stance" but "trying to present itself as science" make it anything other than fringe? —David Eppstein (talk) 19:39, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Um. Why except for a literal reading of Genesis would anyone look at the world and say "Man, this looks like six days of divine creation six thousand-ish years ago"? Jclemens (talk) 03:53, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Jana Jones

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WP:notability, Wikipedia:Notability (academics) Fails notability criteria, WP:notability and Notability for academics criteria Wikipedia:Notability (academics) She was never a professor and the number of citations arising from her PhD is small. Anubus13 (talk) 09:26, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep What is the evidence that she was not notable? static shakedown ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ 11:33, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete. This appears to be a case of WP:BIO1E. Her "Evidence for prehistoric origins of Egyptian mummification in late Neolithic burials" (first of five authors) has 107 citations on Google Scholar, which may be high for Egyptology (I'm not sure), and appears to be the basis for all the mainstream-media coverage in our article. I don't think we can base WP:PROF#C1 on a single work, and the rest of her publications are not as well cited. I cannot even verify the basic biographical milestones listed in our article (degrees, employment as a research fellow, and date of death). There's a more colorful biography than ours at [12] but equally unverifiable and I think not really usable as a source. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:55, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The book on Helwan excavations of which she is co-author is also cited 44 times. static shakedown ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ 21:23, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Han Zuilhof

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Article does not pass WP:BLP for multiple reasons: almost all of it seems to be unverifiable original research, it contains no reliable secondary sources, is written in a semi-promotional tone, and the quasi-entirety of its content comes from one single user (including article creation and portrait photo, described as their "own work", strongly hinting at an undisclosed conflict of interest. Choucas Bleu (T·C) 20:46, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The subject is a fellow of the Royal Society of Chemistry. That alone satisfies WP:NPROF. If the page is too promotional then it needs editing, but the subject is clearly notable. If there's a COI by its author, that need to be clarified. Qflib (talk) 04:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently for FRSC one needs only five years of professional experience and a credit card [13]. That doesn't sound like the level of highly selective and honorary membership that WP:PROF#C3 is intended for. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:34, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yazeed Al Rashed Al Khuzai

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Doesn't meet WP:NAUTHOR. An author with non notable literary works. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 18:51, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Roger D. Nelson

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I'm having trouble finding secondary sources independent of this subject. WP:FRINGE is also a concern here. 0xchase (talk) 14:17, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Might pass AUTHOR with book reviews [14], [15], but I wonder if those are about the same person; wiki article is about a parapsychologist, this seems to be about a more mainstream psychologist. Oaktree b (talk) 15:16, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The first review you list is in Journal of Scientific Exploration, which (searching WP:FRINGEN archives) appears not to be considered reliable. The second is from the Society for Psychical Research, also of dubious reliability. Per WP:FRINGE, we need mainstream coverage of this material, not affirmations from other believers. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:38, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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KEEP this and improve it. It is the way of the future; the Global Consciousness Project is now in it second phase and is set to be a vital source of information about the interaction of consciousness with the material world. Those who cling to materialism are a dying breed. 197.88.230.219 (talk) 07:28, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Per WP:FRINGE and WP:NPOV, for articles on fringe subjects, we must base them on reliably-published mainstream sources, we have no independent sources at all in our article, I don't think the two reviews listed above are mainstream, and I could not find better in my searches. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:00, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Judith Stamper

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She fails WP:BIO , WP:JOURNALIST and definitely WP:PROF. LibStar (talk) 13:52, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Did not find enough coverage in WP:RS, and does not meet any specific guidelines. — Alien333 (what I did & why I did it wrong) 18:03, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Goki Eda

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Notability issue. Xegma(talk) 09:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I am concerned that this editor (Bulklana is just copying and pasting uncritically from university websites, on this and other articles.) In this specific case, I don't believe the subject meets WP:NACADEMIC. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:46, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:PROF#C1 and heavily-cited research publications. This needs cleanup to remove or better source the promotional description of his research and make the rest look less like a resume, but WP:DINC. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:33, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:PROF. I know the article is not perfect, but I am sure it deserves to be on wikipedia Bulklana (talk) 19:07, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:PROF. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 19:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep. Normally an Associate Professor is not considered as notable, but he clearly is an exception because of his very high citation record.Ldm1954 (talk) 09:40, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anjalika Wijesinghe

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Fails WP:ANYBIO, requires significant coverage in multiple reliable independent secondary sources. Both cited sources are predominately based on primary sources, which lack any independent editorial oversight. Dan arndt (talk) 11:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The article is based on two sources: an article in a newspaper: Daily Mirror (Sri Lanka) and an article on a magazine called Lanka Woman, which is published by Wijeya Newspapers Ltd. No evidence has been produced for the claim that the newspaper and magazine "lack any independent editorial oversight". Presumably more sources could be found in native-language publications in Ceylon.-- Toddy1 (talk) 12:13, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment the article in Lanka Woman, is entirely based on an interview with Wijesinghe (which is a primary source). There is no indication that the interviewer or the publisher has undertaken any fact checking to ascertain whether Wijesinghe's statements are correct. Dan arndt (talk) 12:42, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. No pass of GNG. Sources are not adequate. BLP reads like LinkedIn blather ("force to be reckoned with"). Xxanthippe (talk) 22:40, 13 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Delete. Once the blather is removed, there's nothing left. Fails WP:GNG and is nowhere on the same planet as WP:NPROF. Qflib (talk) 02:31, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No claim of notability in the article. The two sources smell more like paid publicity / churnalism than reliable journalism. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:37, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Christophe Chaptal de Chanteloup

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LinkedIn-style resume of a successful career teacher and organisation leader but nothing here passes WP:NPROF or any other notability criteria. Apparently an autobiography. Mccapra (talk) 20:34, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Notability not found. Almost nobody has cited their publications. Xxanthippe (talk) 22:27, 12 August 2024 (UTC).[reply]
Delete. He appears to be a prolific author but I didn't find the book reviews that could help him pass WP:AUTHOR. No evidence of any WP:PROF notability criterion. And if there exist in-depth sources about him that might contribute to WP:GNG, they are obscured by the many sources in the article and elsewhere that are by him not about him. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:50, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bolaji Aluko

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Not seeing any evidence this person passes WP:PROF Hemiauchenia (talk) 17:14, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I've looked. He seems to have been a professor of no special distinction or dishonor, and is now a Nigerian "technocrat" as he describes it in a YouTube video. Nicmart (talk) 17:17, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Deletion is not cleanup. This entity passes the notability criteria for academics#6 as the head of a Federal University and also the notability criteria for politicians for being the a state commissioner in Ekiti State. Best, Reading Beans 10:57, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where does it say he is a head of the university? --50.46.167.81 (talk) 05:49, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

50.46.167.81: The vice-chancellor is the actual head of institutions in Nigeria and being a commissioner is also a state-wide office and are a member of the state cabinet. Like I said earlier, this person is notable per NPROF and NPOL. Best, Reading Beans 07:21, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge or draftify: Of the 6 sources on the page right now, 2 are from LinkedIn and Facebook, one is a press release listing 9 vice-chancellor appointments (and the person is just one of them), one’s an interview, and another is a short article about him leaving his position in 2016. A few interesting facts:
His dissertation dates back to 1984 but that's all I found in the academic sources about his publications:

https://www.proquest.com/openview/a124e89dd02157547fa02f712770d8d4/1.pdf?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=18750&diss=y#page=435

A definition of vice-chancellor in the United States: a vice chancellor (typically spelled without a hyphen) is an assistant to a chancellor, who is generally the (actual, not merely ceremonial) head of one campus of a large university which has several campuses. Does it make a person notable per se? I doubt it. Even assuming "vice-chancellor" in a Nigerian university means "vice of the university's head," it's still not enough.
Finally, the editor who created the page back in 2009 has the username "Alukome." This raises a bit of a COI concern since the first 5 letters of that 7-letter username match the name of the page's subject. Either it's a divine coincidence, or there's something more going on here. I calculated it for other editors to verify: The probability of each letter in "Aluko" appearing in "Alukome" by random chance is 1/26. Since there are 5 letters, and they must appear in the exact sequence, the probability for the whole sequence "Aluko" is: 1/26*1/26*1/26*1/26*1/26 = 11,881,376. I'd say, it is pretty fair to assume a divine coincidence here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bolaji_Aluko&action=history&dir=prev

curprev 02:29, 18 October 2009‎ Alukome talk contribs‎ 1,497 bytes +1,497‎ ←Created page with 'Dr. Mobolaji E. Aluko (b. 2nd April, 1955; in Lagos, Nigeria; home) is a professor of Chemical Engineering at Howard University, Washington, DC, and was Chair of i...' Tag: large unwikified new article

50.46.167.81 (talk) 05:49, 13 August 2024 (UTC) P.S. I updated my comment to suggest "merging" the page instead of deleting it, with the idea of incorporating it into the Federal University, Otuoke page. His role as vice-chancellor could be mentioned in the "Staff" section along with others who have held the position.50.46.167.81 (talk) 00:07, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

50.46.167.81: In UK-based academic systems, which Nigeria and many other Commonwealth nations follow, "vice chancellor" is the actual head of the university. "Chancellor" is a ceremonial role. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:17, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

David Eppstein, thank you for clarifying. Does becoming the actual head of a university anywhere automatically grant a person notability in an encyclopedia? -- 50.46.167.81 (talk) 19:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Of a major university, yes. See WP:PROF#C6, already linked above by Reading Beans. I think a national university with 11k students is good enough to count for that. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:42, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if the number of students alone qualifies a university as "major." It might be better to first figure out which universities in Nigeria are actually considered major and what criteria—beyond student numbers—are used. Nigeria is a very populous country (over 230 million residents) with hundreds if not thousands of regional educational institutions. Can we call of them "major"? While it's clearer when it comes to separate Wikipedia pages for institutions, it's less obvious when it comes to the people running them. I think it's fair to be skeptical about labeling an institution as "major" unless there are some solid facts I might be missing. Either way, improving the sources would be a good move, since they're not exactly up to par with Wikipedia's guidelines right now. -- 50.46.167.81 (talk) 00:09, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:PROF#C6 -- highest (non-ceremonial) position at a significant institution of higher education. Full professor at Howard University as well is substantially above average professor test. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 23:59, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Just being a full professor at an American university does not place an academic as substantially above the average as a professor. It's important to note that in certain other countries, being named a full professor at certain universities (like Cambridge) conveys the same status as a named professorship does in the US. But that's not the case here - this person did not hold a named chair at Howard. Qflib (talk) 04:51, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've had a hard time finding any citable publications by Aluke or even figuring out his h-index, which are usually good indicators of "academic notability." There are so many professors out there, and only a small fraction of them have a Wikipedia page. I just don’t see how "being a full time professor" alone should get someone their own page on Wikipedia. As for being the "vice chancellor of a major institution," I've already mentioned my doubts about that. I’ve shared all my concerns, and I don't really want to comment any further on this page and leave it to the other editors. -- 50.46.167.81 (talk) 00:12, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ali-Nakyea Abdallah

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Fail WP: Academics Ibjaja055 (talk) 12:39, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. As per nominator; meets neither WP:GNG nor WP:ACADEMICS. Prof.PMarini (talk) 06:31, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In theory, the subject is a leading expert in the tax law of Ghana, but the current article has few sources about him. Can anyone find more significant sources about him? Bearian (talk) 01:49, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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David Huffaker

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Per article, Director of UX Research for Google, but no further claims of notability. Two sources are linked from the article, the first appears to be a small interview in a highly specialized publication, the second is a personal blog of one of Huffaker's colleagues. His Google scholar profile indicates one paper with 1,000+ citations and a handful around 500, not sure I would classify this as highly influential. Can't find many other sources while doing WP:BEFORE. Doesn't seem to be notable by WP:NACADEMIC, WP:NBUSINESSPERSON, or WP:GNG. Bestagon ⬡ 20:30, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. This person's publications seem to be in the realm of sociology, and I'm thinking this is not a high citation field - would like to hear other's views on that. The article is a stub that does not really focus on their academic impact - it needs fleshing out in that regard if it's to stay. Qflib (talk)
Keep. His research (at least that done before working at Google) is highly cited. It would take digging through the citing works to understand the impact. That's a big job. For the biographical information, the difficulty is that I found only one short and undated bio paragraph attached to a talk he gave - which can't be considered independent. So I think Keep based on his publications, but the bio information will remain very, very thin for now. Lamona (talk) 01:43, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comments: interesting. A scholar with over a thousand cites should be notable, but there are only two cites in the stub. Not sure what to do. Bearian (talk) 03:50, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Right, and of those sources one is a blog and the other is an interview with the subject, not about him but about some of his perspectives on data science. I really don't think we have an RS about the subject himself. Bestagon ⬡ 15:20, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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True that there aren't good independent sources about him. I believe that is often the case with academics and researchers. For those I see links to their page at the university they work for, and maybe a CV. I did see references to him speaking at conferences. I'll see what I can add. Lamona (talk) 04:39, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please review article I added quite a bit. It still may strike folks as a bit thin, but I think it meets NACADEMIC at this point. Lamona (talk) 05:36, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. With the additions provided by Lamona, we see among other things that this subject's work has had substantial impact outside academia (Google Maps and busyness). I believe he meets C7 of WP:NPROF. Qflib (talk) 04:44, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Timothy Williams (actor)

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I can't see that this has WP:SIGCOV in multiple independent reliable sources or that they meet WP:NACTOR. The article itself lists roles in multiple TV series and TV movies, however I can't see reliable sourcing to support the claims. The only independent reliable source which has SIGCOV I could find in an WP:BEFORE was this. TarnishedPath^talk 01:57, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: per nom. Not enough coverage to write a verifiable article and certainly not enough to establish notability. I can't find any significant coverage. The CBC article linked is about Tim Williams (actor), not this guy. C F A 💬 02:08, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Move to draft. Tag everything that is uncited as {{citation needed}} and tag everything that is cited to IMDb as {{better citation needed}}. BD2412 T 03:08, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Emily Hunter Salveson

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ROTM film exec, going about her job, but ultimately not notable or even noteworthy (in fact, borderline A7 speediable, IMO). No evidence of notability per WP:PRODUCER, and with the possible exception of the first Variety piece, none of the sources even contribute towards, let alone establish, WP:GNG (and a BEFORE search finds nothing better). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:57, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. At present, the references in the article are as follows. (The numbers are those given in the reference list in the article, but I have reordered them to put related references together.)

(1) An announcement on the website of Salveson's company about the appointment of a person to a post in the company.

(2) An article about the fact that although a U.S. tax benefit (Section 181 of the Internal Revenue Code) has "expired", some businesses are still able to benefit from it, because they did a small amount of production work before the expiry. It tells us that Salveson was responsible for enabling a number of businesses to benefit from this method. Significant coverage of one thing she has done? Perhaps. Significant coverage of her? Certainly not.

(9) An identical copy of the same article as number 2, on a different website. Not only does that mean it adds nothing whatever to evidence of notability, but it also strongly suggests that it is a press release, and therefore not independent coverage.

(3) An interview with Salveson.

(4) An article about a film. Near the bottom of the article is a list of eleven people involved in the production of the film. Salveson's name is included in the list; that is the only mention of her.

(5) Same again, for the same film, except that this time Salveson's name is in a list of thirteen instead of eleven.

(7) Same again, for the same film, except that this time Salveson's name is in a list of six.

(6) A page on Rotten Tomatoes, which lists the films on which Salveson has been an executive producer, the Rotten Tomatoes score, and the year of release of the film. Also for one of the films it gives the box office takings.

(8) An article about another film, which tells us that "The film is financed by Emily Hunter Salveson".

Obviously, none of this is evidence of notability in Wikipedia's sense. JBW (talk) 20:32, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per above. I was going to nominate this myself. There are some trivial mentions and a bit of coverage about a company she founded, but nothing in-depth about her. Just a run-of-the-mill business person – no real indication of notability. C F A 💬 00:10, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Karelina Clarke

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Does not match WP:ENT Bulklana (talk) 19:55, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Ascendant (2021 film) where she plays (a young version) of the main character's sister. Probably Too Soon. duffbeerforme (talk) 07:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect Agree with the redirect recommendation above, but would also support a delete recommendation. In either case, she doesn’t meet notability guidelines to merit an individual article. Go4thProsper (talk) 20:06, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Subhash Shinde

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Non-notable makeup professional. There's a long list of films that are unverified. Brief mention in this article but that doesn't meet WP:GNG. Other search results are various social media accounts. ZimZalaBim ^talk 22:00, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Verónica Rodríguez

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Subject is a fairly unremarkable pornographic actress, cited almost exclusively to industry press and the IMDb-equivalent database for that industry. She has music ventures outside of that field, but none rising, as yet, to an encyclopedic level of notability. BD2412 T 19:09, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Has enough coverage to meet WP:GNG and has either won or been nominated to several awards in the industry. --NoonIcarus (talk) 23:58, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @NoonIcarus: Can you specify what in the article you think constitutes reporting in reliable sources "enough coverage to meet WP:GNG"? As far as I am aware, we do not count nominations towards industry awards towards notability, and the single "win" indicated in the article is not for any of the major industry awards. BD2412 T 00:36, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[16][17], to give some examples. --NoonIcarus (talk) 00:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Link #1 is promotional. Link #2 is a standard pornstar interview in AVN. A non-independent churnalism source. Neither contribute to GNG notability. • Gene93k (talk) 16:52, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No coverage by independent reliable sources found in the article nor in independent searching. The references are low-quality even by porn bio standards. The article even debunks the AVN source mentioned above as industry-generated kayfabe. No reliably-sourced claim for passing WP:BASIC or WP:ENT. • Gene93k (talk) 17:11, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wayne Wahrman

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No matter whether it is within the article or outside the article, no source that meets the notability can be found. 日期20220626 (talk) 04:29, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Also found nothing usable Traumnovelle (talk) 05:16, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Easy call to delete. Little to no substantive RS coverage and clearly fails notability guidelines. Go4thProsper (talk) 02:53, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rakesh Varre

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Fails WP:GNG, WP:NBIO, WP:NACTOR (with only one significant role in a notable film). The available sources are all tabloid coverage under WP:SBST and/or of questionable reliability under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Repeatedly recreated by UPE/COI editors. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:36, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He seems to have more than one significant role in notable productions. Significant does not mean "lead" role only. Did you have his role in Evvarikee Cheppoddu in mind? His role in Badrinath could be considered significant too; and at least a couple of other roles. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:38, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom; no evidence of notability. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 18:58, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, passes WP:NACTOR. Just go to Baahubali 2: The Conclusion and ctrl-f his character Sethupathi. He has played negative roles (in films such as Badrinath) which may have garnered more recognition than Evvarikee Cheppoddu.[18] DareshMohan (talk) 15:52, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: per DareshMohan. Multiple significant roles in notable productions. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:15, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or Draftify. The subject's whole career is from unreliable source 123Telugu.com. If you take out everything from the career that is solely from unreliable source, nothing is left. 2 other unreliable sources are Indiaglitz and idlebrain. TimesofIndia source WP:NEWSORGINDIA is also just an interview for WP:PROMO of upcoming film. Fails WP:SIGCOV on the subject's career to consider a standalone notable page but also opting for draftify if the page can be improved with significant coverage with reliable secondary independent sources. Page also fails WP:NBIO. RangersRus (talk) 15:29, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Zhu Yudong

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I can’t see any in depth coverage in RIS to indicate that this subject is notable. There may be sources in Chinese I didn’t manage to turn up - if not this article should go. Mccapra (talk) 00:58, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I have been finding Chinese language sources for this subject, who seems to be a pretty famous director. I haven't yet found any RS that demonstrate individual notability, but I'll look again later today and report my findings or not findings as applicable. Our article is longer than his Baidu page, which seems kinda sus. Folly Mox (talk) 11:24, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Here are some sources I found:
1. Wang, Xiaoye 王小野 (2021-02-18). ""数字文创展——来自四维空间的线圈世界"展览开幕：用科技与艺术传递光与爱" ["Digital Cultural and Creative Exhibition - Coil World from Four-Dimensional Space" Exhibition Opens: Delivering Light and Love with Technology and Art]. china.com [zh] (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-08-12. Retrieved 2024-08-12.
  The article provides a passing mention. The article notes: "中央新影集团著名导演朱昱东". From Google Translate: "Zhu Yudong, a famous director from China Film Group"
2. "电影《海霞》要拍续集了" [The movie "Haixia" is going to have a sequel]. Wenzhou Business Daily [zh] (in Chinese). 2012-08-30. p. 文娱 14.
  The article notes: "月中旬到10月初开拍。执导此部电影的总导演为中央电视台副台长、中央新影集团总裁高峰。导演为中央电视台科教节目制作中心导演朱昱东，他的电影剧本《达西的季节》、《他们》曾分别获得国家广播电影电视总局夏衍杯剧本奖、中国台湾“行政院新闻局”优良剧本征选大"
  From Google Translate: "...Filming will start from mid-October to early October. The chief director of this movie is Gao Feng, deputy director of CCTV and president of China Film Group. The director is Zhu Yudong, director of CCTV's Science and Education Program Production Center. His movie scripts "Darcy's Season" and "They" have won the Xia Yan Cup Script Award of the State Administration of Radio, Film and Television and the Excellent Script Selection Competition of the "Executive Yuan News Bureau" of Taiwan, China..."
Cunard (talk) 09:12, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The Chinese Wikipedia article was deleted in December 2010 after a sparsely attended discussion at zh:Wikipedia:頁面存廢討論/記錄/2021/12/04#朱昱东. The sources I found suggest Zhu Yudong is notable but are not by themselves enough for him to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline or Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria. If more sources cannot be found, I would recommend delete. I hope more sources can be found. Cunard (talk) 09:12, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much for looking into this. Mccapra (talk) 09:20, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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E-Dee

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I wasn't able to find significant coverage of the subject in reliable sources. The references that are presently used in the article mention him once or twice, at most. A possible alternative to deletion is a redirect to Out the Gate (film), in which he starred. toweli (talk) 18:06, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bret Kamwi

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Article doesn't meet WP:NAUTHOR and WP:ACTOR. At most impact, for directing a quite significantly covered play, I won't have at prejudice with redirecting to List of Namibian writers. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 13:46, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Harvey Spencer Stephens

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Actor primarily known for one part in one movie. Accordingly, fails WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG. There are plenty of sources discussing the one movie and one part, but none for other significant acting parts. Tagged for notability since 2018. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 14:18, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: He was nominated for a Golden Globe, which is usually enough to be considered notable. C F A 💬 14:58, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to The_Omen#Cast: that is what he's notable for and it's sourced. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 15:30, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The articles on his arrest clearly show there has been continued coverage of this person.★Trekker (talk) 15:16, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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David Merriman

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Repeatedly moved from draft by conflicted user, this clearly fails WP:NFILMMAKER and WP:NMUSICIAN. Theroadislong (talk) 17:25, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Misinformation corrected in regards to record deal not being secured -evidence of such clearly provided in articles . Personal information removed about family, as is appropriate. Denseem (talk) 08:45, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No point of view of skew was taken on this articl, simply correcting inaccuracy and removing personal information Denseem (talk) 08:51, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Denseem, you don't need to make 5 nearly identical comments saying the same thing. It can discourage participation from other editors and the best way to come to a consensus to have sufficient editor participation in deletion discussions. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:38, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the duplicate comments, leaving only one copy behind. Left guide (talk) 11:03, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep I see 1.5 good sources about him - the AL source is substantial; the first Irish Times is brief but is about him. In the rest he's listed as a collaborator with not much about him, or they are interviews. I didn't find anything else about him. NOM seems to be correct that there are COI issues and there appear to have been possible WP:SOCK issues as well. Good to keep an eye on. Lamona (talk) 16:53, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
two Variety articles and Screen magazine are substantial sources in the film business. 77.75.96.206 (talk) 14:01, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is that those articles are not about him; he is only name-checked there. So those don't count toward notability, even though they can source some information in the article. Lamona (talk) 16:57, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 03:30, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pradeep Kumar (producer)

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG and WP:NPERSON. M S Hassan (talk | contributions) 06:44, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep there is a lot of news story talking about the guy on Google News Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 13:01, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Per nom. No SIGCOV or any notability guideline met. Has a promotional tone too. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 04:33, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, fails WP:GNG. Article standing on nothing and there is nothing to support its existence here. Ednabrenze (talk) 08:22, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Darby Lloyd Rains

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16 years ago when this was first nominated it was allowed on a technical sng pass and someone noted it needed sourcing. Well 16 years later it's entirely bereft of a reliable source and pornbio has been consigned to the ranks of deprecated guidelines. Fails gng and ent. Spartaz ^Humbug! 18:36, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Meets WP:NACTOR with at least three significant roles in notable films. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:14, 31 July 2024 (UTC) (Added a few sources, more sources exist).[reply]
Can you list the films and roles please

And the sources added? Ta Spartaz ^Humbug! 00:53, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please read the page, check page history and the link "edits since nomination" on this page. Thank you. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 08:19, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This article has significantly changed since its AfD nomination. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:37, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Per nom. M S Hassan (talk | contributions) 09:18, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Except the nom's concerns have been addressed. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:09, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He obviously disagrees with your assertion. You stated she had 3 significant roles in notable films. What were they? The Wp:onus is on you to show what they are here. Spartaz ^Humbug! 07:37, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
’Obviously’? So the page still has no source? OK. I will assume good faith then. As for the rest of your comment, unless you are joking (it’s rather funny), I will assume good faith too: again, just read the page. You need to click on the title of the article on top of this page. I’m not going to copy paste the whole page here. And, by the way, what did you find during your BEFORE? Also, during the 1st AfD, the page was not ’allowed on technical sng pass’ but with a reference to (ANY)BIO (no technical mention of PORNBIO) and with a mention of ’definitely some claims to notability’. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:04, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Additional comment: Lloyd Rains also clearly meets the requirements for the notability of actors for another reason: her prolific and noted contributions to the field; and probably passes the threshold for general notability requirements given the amount of ’’multiple independent sources" mentioning her importance in the said field, her roles and performances..-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 09:21, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting as we need to hear from more editors. An aside though: Are we really going to talk about "noted contributions to the field" for porn as if it were the sciences, the arts or diplomacy?
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Reply to relist aside: Yes, we certainly are. Especially in the Golden Age of Porn and with directors and artists that had such a strong and honest conviction they were playing an important part in the underground culture of their time and in the history of film. Various films with Lloyd Rains are genre films (horror, thriller, etc) that go far beyond what could be described as "porn" in a derogative way. And various sources, some used as references in the article (you will note that I used no sources from inside the "adult industry" and they include extremely notable and reliable film magazines and scholarship) about her films and performance do indeed mention that point, some in awe at the quality of the productions and at Lloyd Rains's abilities as an actress (one review finds her acting "insufferable", though; and that's not my opinion, which does not count and has nothing to do with my !vote and reply). Now, one might disagree and consider the result has no value, is immoral, tasteless, shocking, silly and trash, and not like it. But it's definitely a "field" in my opinion and her contributions to it were clearly prolific, and noted. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 19:59, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aside: I was not even thinking about "porn" when I wrote my additional comment (but about film in general). But, yes, I do think "pornography" is a field. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:15, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'll close this discussion according to policy and consensus despite my own view of this "profession". Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:09, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I never doubted you would. Thanks. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:11, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You know that none of what you said relates to any policy and your assertion of special treatment of porn is belied by the depreciation of pornbio Spartaz ^Humbug! 10:22, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What are you even talking about? I don’t understand it but I do feel the tone and implication of your comment are rather not nice. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 20:06, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Lacks significant coverage in reliable sources. I have spent too much of my volunteer time checking much of the article's supposed references, and they are just a WP:REFBOMB of trivial mentions and unreliable sources that do not meet WP:GNG. Elspea756 (talk) 13:44, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Curious to know which sources precisely can be deemed "unreliable", except IAFD, which I didn't add myself ~~and that can be removed (feel free);~~ and the source for her role in "This film is all about..." (which I (had) tagged myself as poor, in the hope that an expert or any other user could add a better one, the film being by Damiano) (NB- I just removed both references). "supposed references" is also an interesting choice of words (are they not real? are they fake? Did I make anything up? are there not there?); and how much is "much" of 41 footnotes? 12, 38? As for WP:REFBOMB, well, I did my best to source every statement and role in the partial filmography (more exists) and I don't think (such was not my intent, at least) that any of the references is used in any of the 4 ways mentioned in that essay. WP:NACTOR, on the other hand, is a guideline, and would seem the applicable guideline, and it states, "This guideline applies to actors, voice actors, comedians, opinion makers, pornographic actors, models, and celebrities. Such a person may be considered notable if:The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions; or The person has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment." (the field of entertainment being cinema/acting) Is it not the case and are the coverage and mention/appraisal of her roles in the reviews of her most notable films, for example, not sufficient to prove it? -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 01:58, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Alexis Tomassian

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nonnotable voice actor - Altenmann >talk 03:43, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I'm trying to evaluate WP:ENT, but Alexis Tomassian § Filmography is pretty misleading; for instance, Tomassian did not voice Zuko in A:TLA, but rather in its French dub. The best I can find so far is voicing the main characters of Martin Mystery and The Podcats, and the latter's notability is questionable. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:17, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He also voiced Samson in Calamity, a Childhood of Martha Jane Cannary; he's listed as the third star, and a review describes Samson as the plot's initial catalyst. That looks like a significant role to me. jlwoodwa (talk) 18:38, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not a significant coverage of Tomassian. In fact, not a mum about him. Notability not inherited - Altenmann >talk 18:43, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll paraphrase the part of WP:ENT that applies here: An actor or voice actor may be considered notable if they have had significant roles in multiple notable films or television shows. That's from a subject-specific notability guideline. "Significant coverage" has nothing to do with that – it's only in WP:GNG. I also don't see your point with WP:INHERIT – that section names SNGs as a case where notability can be inherited. jlwoodwa (talk) 22:05, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see, thanks for clarification. Still, I fail to see "initial catalyst" is "significant role": Samson is covered in a single sentence. If a role is significant, surely it deserves more than that. About INHERIT, thanks again, I stand corrected. - Altenmann >talk 22:13, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The review's pretty sparse on plot in general, and Samson's one sentence is more than any other (non-main) character gets. Calamity, a Childhood of Martha Jane Cannary § Plot goes into more detail, and he's mentioned in 9 sentences there (mostly as "the soldier", but that's unambiguous). jlwoodwa (talk) 23:08, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry to be obnoxious, but one needs an independent source that describes character's role as "significant" or similar, otherwise it is Wikipedian's opinion/original research. In the case of Calamity, I inclined to believe, because imdb say "starring Salomé Boulven Alexandra Lamy Alexis Tomassian", implying these are major roles, but unfortunately imdb is not a valid ref for wikipedia. OK. I'm done being obnoxious here. :-) - Altenmann >talk 23:41, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that notability needs to be based on reliable sources, but we're never going to get a reliable source to directly support a claim that "this subject is wikinotable". That's probably why WP:NOR's lead says it doesn't apply to deletion discussions. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:28, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Red herring. Strawman. Muddy waters. Don't give it to me. We need a source which supports our requirement for notability. In this case we need sources which imply that the actor had "significant roles in multiple notable films or television shows". And this must acceptable for the article, not for AfD bickering. - Altenmann >talk 07:43, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What are you talking about? It's not a red herring. WP:NOR literally states that This policy does not apply to talk pages and other pages which evaluate article content and sources, such as deletion discussions or policy noticeboards. Can you explain why you think we need those particular sources, given that WP:NOR does not apply? jlwoodwa (talk) 09:02, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nonsense. You cannot base article content on non-reliable sources. Just the same, you cannot judge subject notability basing on self-published sources. Are you seriously telling me that if actor's mom says that her boy is the greatest actor, then we write a Wikipedia article about him? AfD discussions routinely judge sources, and WP:NOR has nothing to do with this. - Altenmann >talk 16:21, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am not telling you that. I don't know why you'd think I'm telling you that. As I said before, I agree that notability needs to be based on reliable sources. I'm only objecting to your statement that one needs an independent source that describes character's role as "significant" or similar, otherwise it is Wikipedian's opinion/original research. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:47, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am not objecting that a certain degree of "original research" is necessary in AfD discussions: of course, judging sources is kinda "original research", but this kind of Wikipedian's opinion about sources is everywhere in Wikipedia, and it is not really original research. I see we are in the same page here, so never mind. - Altenmann >talk 20:13, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to Donaldd23's improvements, Zombillenium now looks notable, and a review describes Steven (Tomassian's character) for three sentences. jlwoodwa (talk) 23:29, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting, interesting discussion but we need some firm opinions on what should happen with this article and so far, I don't see any other than the nominator's. As for sources, I've seen dozens of actors' bios at AFD and "significant role" is typically judged not by a reliable source that says, exactly, that an actor's role was significant but by whether their character is listed as a main character in the film information. But there have been successful arguments that some supporting roles are also significant so there is an element of subjectivity involved.
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Liz summarized the discussion correctly: we need sources that the actor had significant role, i.e., they were either among main characters (no further sources needed) or among supporting roles which were somehow noted by critics (e.g. award for "best supporting role" (but in the latter case it is for notability anyway), or other mentions, eg I saw statements that this or that secondary role unexpectedly rose to prominence in a film due to actor's extraordinary acting). - Altenmann >talk 03:10, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- <sigh> I have to go against my own nom, since nobody else bothers: Tomassian voiced Kaworu Nagisa (in French dubbing), definitely among main chars. - Altenmann >talk 03:21, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tony Langdon

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. A search under his name and "Anthony Langdon" yielded no sources. LibStar (talk) 09:21, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Oleksandr Pshenychnyuk

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This is the same sort of case as Vladyslav Kalyn, Yaroslav Kysil and Roman Savchenko (footballer), all recently deleted young Ukrainian footballers with no significant coverage from independent sources. To qualify for an article, there must be multiple instances of significant coverage to pass WP:SPORTBASIC and WP:GNG. Please note that notability is WP:NOTINHERITED from playing for a notable club or notable league and that pointing out that other non-notable players also have articles is not a relevant reason to keep. WP:NSPORTS2022 confirms that the cameo appearances for Chornomorets are not sufficient for notability under current consensus. The references included are trivial; UA Football is a mere squad list mention and Sport.ua is likewise just as bad. Likewise, I found Sport Arena, a trivial mention in the match report and goal listing at the bottom, and Rivne, which lists him in the U19 squad list and mentions him once further in the prose. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:09, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Adam Davies (snooker player)

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My WP:BEFORE search did not uncover evidence that the subject is notable. There is a some news coverage that doesn't directly relate to his career as a snooker player, but even taking that into account, I don't think that WP:GNG is satisfied. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 21:59, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Trevor Morley (soccer)

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I am unable to find sufficient coverage of this subject, an American former soccer player, to meet WP:GNG. The only thing approaching WP:SIGCOV that I found was this piece from Circling the News, a site which does not seem to have a listed editorial policy. JTtheOG (talk) 20:47, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Livio Mayr

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks WP:SIGCOV. Found some sources [19] and [20] which are trivial. However [21] appears to be extensive, but I don't think its enough for WP:SIGCOV. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 19:55, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: My searches yielded lots of passing mentions in "match" reports. The Salzburg24 article linked by the nom has a few sentences of coverage, but nothing approaching WP:SIGCOV. The subject fails WP:GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 20:21, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Thanks for the source; it's been added to the article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:26, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joe McMenamin

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I am unable to find any significant coverage. The one source in the article is the only one I can see about this person. I don't think the subject meets WP:NOLYMPICS or WP:NATHLETE. Frost 16:27, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge and redirect to Ireland_at_the_1972_Summer_Olympics#Sailing. My own WP:BEFORE returned a handful of sources. Including an Irish Independent article which suggests that "at the 1972 Munich Olympics {..} Joe McMenamin ranked 16th in the sailing competition six weeks shy of his 60th birthday, making him our {Ireland's} oldest Olympic athlete". While not indicative of notability on its own, "Ireland's oldest (ever?) Olympian" is perhaps sufficient to warrant coverage within the related article. Per WP:WITHIN. And a redirect. Where, per WP:ATD-R, the Ireland_at_the_1972_Summer_Olympics#Sailing section would seem an "appropriate" redirect target for that title.... Guliolopez (talk) 20:31, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Ireland_at_the_1972_Summer_Olympics#Sailing - I agree with this approach but would also support a deletion of the article. In any case, a standalone article is not merited. Go4thProsper (talk) 03:02, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clete Patterson

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Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a lack of significant coverage from secondary sources. A redirect to 1924 Kenosha Maroons season may be preferred as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 16:37, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mukesh Sharma Pahalwan

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Subject does not pass NPOL or GNG. Almost all the paragraphs failed verification in the initial article that was draftified [22]. The rest are routine coverage and passing mentions from recent Indian elections. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 16:36, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:48, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adam Gaži

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I cannot find any significant coverage of this young Slovak men's footballer to meet WP:GNG. In terms on sources that are not database or match reports, I only found an interview on AktualitySK, while the rest are passing mentions in squad list. This might be the case of WP:TOOSOON. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:19, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:52, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have found several match sources and statistics (appearances) of the player, please check it on official Slovak First League website https://www.nikeliga.sk/hrac/2142-adam-gazi , another reliable source is Soccerway.com https://au.soccerway.com/players/adam-gai/640574/ and you can find him in the match lineups from match against MFK Dukla Banská Bystrica that was held on 3 August 2024, source: https://sportnet.sme.sk/futbalnet/z/ulk/zapas/771500/#zostavy IQual (talk) 15:17, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: As the user above suggests, all I was able to find were match reports, squad listings, and statistics databases. The subject fails WP:GNG due to a lack of in-depth coverage. JTtheOG (talk) 20:53, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amir Tafa

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Previously PROD deleted so no longer eligible this time but notability is still a massive concern. I can find nothing to support a passing of WP:GNG nor WP:SPORTBASIC. The best that I can find is a mention of an injury in a Panorama report and a brief mention of a transfer. This is trivial coverage and not significant. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 08:01, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 08:27, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, mostly played on a low level with few accomplishments, so in accordance with that, not enough sources. Geschichte (talk) 14:34, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

German Forrest Gump

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An article for the nickname of an athlete is not a notable topic that should be covered by Wikipedia as a standalone article. Furthermore, much activity related to this athlete on Wikipedia seems suspicious and/or excessive. YannickFran (talk) 19:42, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages which are all redirects to the article Jonas Deichmann because there simply is no reason to have all of these. They feel more like pollution than anything else.

Furthermore, a discussion is to be had on whether Cape to Cape (film), Crossing America (film) and The Limit is Just Me should exist as their own pages as they seem to not meet WP:NFP and should instead be merged into Jonas Deichmann, and consequentially, whether Template:Jonas Deichmann needs to exist. --YannickFran (talk) 19:50, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@YannickFran: I've removed your AfD tags on those redirects, as redirect nominations belong at WP:RFD, not this venue. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:58, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies and thank you for the help, I've nominated these there. YannickFran (talk) 20:17, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Since I made the article, I will provide my reasoning without casting a vote.

Random nickname for an athlete is not a notable topic that should be covered by Wikipedia as a standalone article. I agree. It's different when the athlete is primarily known by the nickname and the nickname has its own history. This nickname and details surrounding it are featured in major news media in several different countries. Seems notable. I made the article to not clutter the main page. Also, Wikipedia articles about nicknames or pseudonyms are nothing unusual. From Eando Binder to Big Apple to The City That Never Sleeps (nickname) with many others.
About the other nomination (redirects). I made the redirects to improve the overall completeness and followed what is commonly done on other pages. Full explanation at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2024_August_16#JonasDeichmann
Strong disagree that the movies and template are somehow questionable, but that's a story for another day.

Småland, Sweden (talk) 04:48, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The nickname does not have "its own history". At best this should be a redirect to a section of the Jonas Deichmann article. Note that of the examples you give, Eando Binder is the article about Earl Andrew Binder and not specifically about his nickname. That's just a case of WP:COMMON, the same reason why the article about Steven Paul Jobs is titled Steve Jobs. As for "Big Apple" and "The City That Never Sleeps": both are relevant for their marketing campaigns that eventually surrounded them and their wide use in culture, and "The City That Never Sleeps" specifically also doesn't refer to just 1 place and the article functions as a list, as well as other uses of that phrase. None of these examples are the same situation.

And unlike all of them, "German Forrest Gump" certainly does not meet the criteria for notability. Looking up possible sources for it, it seems very much like the article has pretty much exhausted any sources that are available online, many of which I'd hesitate to call "major news media". Note that 9 of the 12 sources on that article simply source an article just to pull a translation from it, rather than any actual information of value (I'd like to further point out that these 9 sources are included as source for the tranlsation of the word "German" and nothing else, which is extra ridiculous). Turning to Google, the first page of web search results consists for 50% out of Wikipedia/Wikimedia pages (and it doesn't get better on later pages). For another example to the threshold of notability of a nickname, note that King of Pop isn't its own page and is basically just mentioned in passage on Michael Jackson's article. You really cannot tell me "German Forrest Gump" - a nickname used by a literal handful of sources - is more notable than that.

As for the movies, I never said they were questionable. Their notability doesn't rise to the requirements for their own articles as per WP:NFP. When these articles are merged into Jonas Deichmann, it in turn would invalidate the existence of the template. But that's a story for merges, which is why none of them were nominated for deletion here. YannickFran (talk) 11:05, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, ATD Reasons for merging #2 as Wikipedia:REDUNDANT: Sorry, but a nickname on Wikipedia, if used in sources, can be covered in the article of the subject if there is one. In this case there already is an article so this might be a candidate for Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#A10. Most recent personal names have but one correct spelling for a particular individual, although presentation (use of initials, middle names, nicknames, etc.) can vary and still be correct. In these cases, it is best to use a recognizable form. I used bold on the word "nickname" to point it out. Nicknames would just be alternative names, if noteworthy. and would generally be given in boldface in the lead following the name as presented in the article title. Of course if a nickname or any other alternate name is more common that should be the name of the article.
NOTE: if there are sourced alternate names, more than two, this can be covered in a "Names" or "Etymology" section. Redirects are only needed for alternate names one might search and not every possible name per . -- Otr500 (talk) 06:26, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Denis Chudý

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Chudý played 14 matches for AS Trenčín before being sent to lower leagues. My searches did not show any significant coverage for him, not even in reliable secondary sources. Searching "Denis Chudý" on Google prefer to find other men with the same name instead of footballer, failing WP:V too. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Looks like there might be some SIGCOV here if anyone has access to Sme. JTtheOG (talk) 19:03, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:55, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kyle Christie

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NCRIC. A search yields much more hits for someone who appeared on Geordie Shore who may indeed be more notable, so for that reason I oppose redirect of this cricketer's article. LibStar (talk) 05:46, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I'd be relaxed about a redirect to List of Hong Kong ODI cricketers here - there was a single incoming link from the Geordie Shore chap which indicates there's generally not a major issue here and if necessary a dab page with the two redirects on it can be set up. I'd have thought, however, that the article on CricketCountry would satisfy the last point of SPORTCRIT and there's at least one article on the South China Morning Post from 2016, although it's partly behind a paywall. There's a case that could be made for keeping the article - there's certainly nothing in it that's contentious - there are a lot worse articles than this one that could be brought to AfD. But, again, for me the worst case here is a redirect. Blue Square Thing (talk) 13:28, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maria Antònia Mínguez

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Suggest redirect to List of FC Barcelona Femení players. None of the sources in the article focus on the subject specifically (fails WP:SIGCOV), just as one member of a team. The team was notable, and several individual members are independently notable – but Mínguez does not appear to be one of them. I feel like WP:SPORTBASIC applies without needing to consider the weight of a potential role in women's history, as the sources that do mention her as part of the team, don't suggest she had any greater role than simply being part of the team.

Furthermore, parts of the article that are about the team and their historic first match, appear to be copy-pasted from other articles about notable teammates (e.g. Lolita Ortiz), while the paragraph about the 50th anniversary of the match appears to be close paraphrasing – if not direct machine-translated copyvio – of the source (a primary source that is the main source used in the article, too). All in all, there is more focus on the match and the team and passing mentions that Mínguez was involved. Not sufficient for an article. Kingsif (talk) 01:28, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep and keep improving. @Kingsif: It is behind a paywall, but this 2021 article in El Periódico is focused on Maria Antònia Minguez and Sandra Paños gets it over the line for me. There are also other articles cited in Catalan Wikipedia worth checking out. Looks like not enough WP:BEFORE. Cielquiparle (talk) 05:53, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, I've read that source, Mínguez and Paños discuss how Mínguez joined the club (ad in newspaper) and then just about how the environment of women's football has changed. It's not about her or her career, it's just including her in a story of how Barça Femení grew from where it started to be in the Champions League. And probably only including her because the current player they got to take part was the goalkeeper. As for the Catalan WP article, it has fewer sources and they're just some of the same. Trust me, I've done BEFORE.
Like, this isn't to say Mínguez was not important for the team, but that she does not meet Wikipedia notability standards as she is only ever mentioned in sources in relation to "DYK Barça Femení was founded in 1970 and she was the goalie". Especially when that is all we can say of her notability, we should likewise keep our coverage in relation to the 1970 Barça Femení team. Other players from that team were much more actively involved in e.g. management and promotion, and are more worthy BIO/BLP candidates, but that does not mean every player warrants their own (largely copy-and-paste of the generic team details) bio. Kingsif (talk) 12:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above, unless better sourcing can be found. Giant Snowman 14:43, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep following additional sources, probably gets over the line now. Giant Snowman 16:42, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We're (hopefully) not source-counting when they're all the same content... Kingsif (talk) 22:55, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep I probably would like to see more in-depth sourcing, but what's there is okay for me. I don't see anything wrong with the article. Govvy (talk) 15:15, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Expanded the article to include more about her early life and family and the influence of goalkeeper coach Antoni Ramallets. Added more coverage including a 2021 article featuring Mínguez on SER 100 following her SER Catalunya television interview, plus a 2022 article in El Diario featuring Mínguez and two other former players. Plus the 2021 article mentioned earlier in El Periodico. Surely this is enough to satisfy WP:BASIC, and arguably even WP:GNG. Pinging GiantSnowman. Cielquiparle (talk) 15:56, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Expanded the article to include more about her early life and family - please see WP:PSEUDO for this part. Padding out a BLP with personal details isn't demonstrating a subject's notability and we have to prioritise privacy if there is any doubt. Your expansion includes exactly one sentence about her football career, the rest is about her private life.

The Cadena SER article is a good 40% not about Mínguez, but about Barça and how women's footballers were treated in 1970. The parts about Mínguez are largely quotes from Mínguez herself (see SPORTBASIC) that are saying the same things as before, about that first match. I.e. she's not being interviewed about her career because SER considers her a great player, she's being interviewed to talk about the 1970 match and women's football back then. (And most likely, she's being interviewed because she's suitable and available, not because of anything she did as a player to set her apart.) Kingsif (talk) 23:38, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Chi-won (footballer)

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 02:42, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:42, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maximilian Ibrahimović

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A youth player with no professional or even Under-19 team appearances, whose notability stems solely from being the son of Zlatan Ibrahimović. All of the coverage I could find is based almost exclusively on that. Classic case of WP:INHERITED and WP:TOOSOON. Angelo (talk) 21:16, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Zlatan Ibrahimović#Personal life, clearly not notable on his own yet. Govvy (talk) 12:05, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 14:41, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep - I'm iffy on whether the significant coverage is enough for notability. But there's clearly coverage of him as an individual with his own accomplishments ([23], [24], [25]), no matter if it's arguable if someone else would get the same opportunities or coverage. Notability is not inherited, but this isn't just incidental mentions of him attending a football game with his dad or something. AlexandraAVX (talk) 16:33, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Zlatan Ibrahimović#Personal life per WP:TOOSOON and common sense, coverage is churnalistic and thin as ice, not enough to write an encylopedia entry, and his own career is non-existing at the moment. Cavarrone 04:09, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Coleman Gannon

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I am unable to find enough independent coverage of this American soccer player to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTCRIT. JTtheOG (talk) 18:34, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:42, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Johan Idrele

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Redirect to List of New Caledonia international footballers. I find no sources other than databases, primary sources and trivial mentions. Geschichte (talk) 11:54, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 14:41, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as an ATD due to lack of WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 19:00, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ilyes Boughalem

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Delete or redirect to List of world championships medalists in powerlifting (men). No significant coverage of Boughalem. Anyone who competes in powerlifting (local to international) can be included to All Powerlifting and Open Powerlifting, the cited websites.

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Kim Chang-son (footballer)

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:03, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Unless we could prove that he is/was related to either the politician or Olympics athlete, which would be a redirect, I'm leaning towards Delete. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:01, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
delete non-notable. 223.204.71.128 (talk) 00:22, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Cameron Brimblecombe

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Declined prod. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NCRIC. A player is unlikely to be notable with just 1 first class game. LibStar (talk) 23:14, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep verging on speedy. Nom fails to raise a case of why deletion is required when in the prod decline a valid alternative to deletion was directly identified, "a redirect to the List of Queensland first-class cricketers" WP:ATD-R. duffbeerforme (talk) 06:50, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How does he meet WP:SPORTSCRIT, WP:NCRIC or indeed WP:BIO? Failing the relevant notability is grounds for deletion, that's based on my 17 years in WP. LibStar (talk) 06:53, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Obvious redirect to List of Queensland first-class cricketers. I did already suggest this to the nom, not only when I declined the prod but on a message at their talk page, and I'd have been perfectly happy with a bold redirect here or a discussion at the cricket wiki project followed by that. This is the long established consensus with articles about cricketers where sources cannot be found: it dates back to 2018 at least and is a clear ATD. Ideally we'd get a short note added - the content of the paragraph including the Hope quote would form the basis of this which would allow references to come across as well. Having looked for more sources, there's bit there but the only one that hinted at detail was behind a paywall and I'm pretty relaxed about people such as this being redirected if there aren't sources and an ATD exists. The number of matches played is largely irrelevant. If anyone things that they can come up with a quantitative measure to determine a "bight line criteria" for first-class cricketers then good luck to them; I'd be happy to listen to any. Blue Square Thing (talk) 08:26, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ian Anderson (soccer)

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I don't see any notability, either through achievements or through sources. The article states something about trading cards, which doesn't contribute to notability. I don't know whether this is the same article that was discussed in the 1st and 2nd nomination. Feel free to G4. Geschichte (talk) 20:56, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't think its the same ones before, it's hard to find stuff on Reno 1868 anymore since the team went defunct. It was easy to find some of his stuff on official released trading cards, then the simpson university NAIA head coaching job and holding his USSF a license, the same article says he was a member of the Chicago Fire Pro MLS team as well as played for SJSU.

I just saw he didn't have an article. he's just one of the obscure players, and he came up on reddit for not having one so i made one. I've been a long time wiki reader and edit some stuff here and there but finally logged into make an account. CardzRC (talk) 21:20, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He also has a very common name so a lot of ian andersons out there. CardzRC (talk) 21:21, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for clearing some things up. And welcome to Wikipedia! When someone doesn't have an article, sometimes there is a reason for that, though. Geschichte (talk) 21:23, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome. Lots of American MLS/USL players who are very obscure i noticed don't have pages, but they sit on rosters and find themselves filling out rosters all there career. MLS / USL is a very different compared to the most established leagues in the world. I hope they can be recognized for their accomplishments.

And thanks, I love wiki. I'm a soccer history buff lol CardzRC (talk) 21:25, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I also don't know how to cite a source from a physical game program or media guide. Which people do have those, and I can get access to. CardzRC (talk) 21:26, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

JSA also doesn't authenticate non athletics/celebrity signatures/memorabilia either, someone posted that on reddit the certification for him, so I was able to research the serial number and did locate he does infact have a SJ Earthquakes jersey in their archive CardzRC (talk) 21:29, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Material issued by clubs, leagues and the players themselves (social media etc) are considered primary sources and do not contribute to notability. American soccer is not that different from other leagues, in that if you play well, you get covered by media, which then leads to an encyclopedic article built on secondary sources. Geschichte (talk) 10:40, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 16:42, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete and SALT - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amirkian Mohammadi

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I had a look at the sources and had a little look on google, but I simply don't see the article passing the general criteria for even basic WP:GNG. Govvy (talk) 15:35, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability.Tehonk (talk) 06:01, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ota Kohoutek

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Does not meet WP:GNG criteria. Lack of sources, no significant coverage. Insignificant footballer with only 12 starts in professional football, last being in May 2022, more than 2 years ago. Maybe one day he will restart his career, but WP:NOTJUSTYET. FromCzech (talk) 05:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There were added references and sources to prove media coverage. At the end of the article there is statement about WP:STUB, which is perfectly sufficient and says that anyone can improve the site by expanding it. Pospeak (talk) 06:53, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notability still not proven, sources still unsufficient. FromCzech (talk) 07:28, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notability has been proved by adding 3 references and 3 external links. That is more than many others footballer pages. Perfectly sufficient for stub. Pospeak (talk) 15:15, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
8 resources of total were added to the page. Pospeak (talk) 05:28, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - 3 references and 5 external links are sufficient enough for stub. — Note to closing admin: Pospeak (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD.

Kim Chang-kyo

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 04:49, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – I saw his name on 7th Supreme People's Assembly but am not sure if this footballer is/was the same man as the member of parliament. Unless we can prove their relation, I'm leaning towards Delete. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:26, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep: likely fails wp:GNG, but deemed notable by essay wp:FOOTYN. Represented North Korea in 4 FIFA matches in Hong Kong, Indonesia, and Japan. CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 10:54, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NFOOTY has been superseded by WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 13:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which is why I’m saying weak keep. It was superseded by wp:SPORTCRIT, which does not mention football. CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 08:24, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:39, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I was looking for a redirect, but couldn't find any venue, he played 1990 world cup qualifying games, but that's all I can work out. Nothing else unfortunately. Govvy (talk) 18:11, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kelvin Mullarkey

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This article fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and is based on primary sources. Google books search comes up with 4 hits, but they don't appear to be indepth coverage. LibStar (talk) 03:12, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep double national champion per #4 of WP:NMOTORSPORT. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:50, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please explain how this meets WP:SPORTCRIT Geschichte (talk) 14:49, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@SpacedFarmer, This person seems to be a double champion in the second tier of British speedway racing, which I do not believe is comparably significant to something like Super GT or the British Superbike Championship. I have started a discussion at WT:MOTORSPORT about the notability of motorcycle speedway riders. Please also note that WP:NMOTORSPORT is intended more as a guideline for which articles should require a far more thorough WP:BEFORE search rather than an argument in-and-of itself for keeping or deleting an article. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 21:54, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mai Moncaster

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I am unable to find enough significant coverage from third-party sources to meet the general notability guidelines. Biographies of living persons require independent sourcing. An WP:ATD is to draftify the article while more sources come up. JTtheOG (talk) 22:15, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nomination. I don't see this page as a potential draft. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:25, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify Shall meet notability one day. Support draftification for now. Azuredivay (talk) 06:02, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep A footballer with over 100 appearances for a professional football club should meet notability requirements, if not, most footballer pages should be deleted. StBloodaxe (talk) 11:16, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- To be fair, the 100+ appearances for Forest seem to all be in the third-tier league. JTtheOG (talk) 18:26, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  This is correct. It´s just that in my opinion the third-tier is not as unnoteworthy as people seem to be making it out to be. It is a national league not a regional or local league and Forest is a club with a high reputation. If 100+ appearances at a high-reputation third-tier club is not notable enough, where is the baseline? Having been at a second-tier club?
  
  As a note, I have no inherent interest in keeping this page, I am just trying to understand the norm. StBloodaxe (talk) 20:48, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  The clearest guideline to follow would be the general notability guidelines, which require "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." You can follow the link to read more about what each phrase means exactly, but we are basically looking for a reliable source (but preferably more than one) that cover the subject directly and in-depth. This excludes so-called "trivial mentions" such as quick name drops in squad listings or match reports, as well as any non-independent source put out by the player's club, league, FA, etc. Prior to a 2022 decision, any player that appeared in a "fully-pro league" was automatically considered notable, but athletes are now expected to meet the same notability guidelines as any other biography on Wikipedia. Well, almost any other (see WP:NPROF or WP:NPOL). I hope my ramblings can clear it up a bit. JTtheOG (talk) 21:54, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Thank you for the information. I am familiar with WP:GNG but I was not familiar with how it should be applied specifically to sportspeople specifically. The 2022 decision was insightful. In that case I do believe that Draftify would be appropriate considering the amount of appearances already made and the age of the person. StBloodaxe (talk) 22:41, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails GNG. I could only find mentions in match reports. The likelihood of a regional 3rd tier women's footballer getting SIGCOV is low so draftify shouldn't be the outcome.Dougal18 (talk) 14:49, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Playing for a lower tier team doesn't equate to inherent notability. Let'srun (talk) 19:14, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:39, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hanieh Akhlaghi

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Fails notability, most things in this page is wrong and fake. she never won a medal at the World Championship (but Military Games) , she also never won gold medal in the Asian Games 2013. she has no important achievement to make her notable. Sports2021 (talk) 20:34, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I made some corrections to the article. I changed the gold medal in the table from World Championship to World Military Games, the Asian Games weren't held in 2013, and she did appear at the 2015 world championships (but lost in the round of 16). Her gold medal in 2013 was in a youth division, which is not considered to show WP notability. The World Military Games have never been thought to show WP notability in the martial arts--a number of American martial artists who won medals there have had their articles deleted. Some of the women's TKD divisions didn't even have enough competitors to award the 4 medals (gold, silver, 2 bronze) allocated. The other events mentioned are minor ones. Other than results reporting, I don't see sufficient significant independent coverage to meet WP:GNG and nothing to show WP:NSPORT or WP:MANOTE is met. Papaursa (talk) 23:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and misinformation concern, fails notability.Tehonk (talk) 06:05, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ali Alipour (weightlifter)

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fails notability. another article with fake information. this guy won gold medal in Asian "Junior" Championship which is not notable enough. and that part about "first place in the Olympic selection competitions held in Asia" is completely wrong. he didn't achieve anything notable yet. Sports2021 (talk) 20:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. fails notability. Tehonk (talk) 06:05, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michal Pšenko

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Redirect to Slovakia at the 2002 Winter Olympics#Nordic combined because I could not find any significant coverage of this athlete to meet WP:GNG. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:36, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Leaning Keep per the extensive German article with several offline sources which appear to give several pages of coverage to him. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The German article mostly provides database and not significant coverage in reliable sources. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:17, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you look at Enzyklopädie des Skispringens which provides pages of coverage to him? BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:03, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It would be appreciated if there are exact links to there. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:10, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Chang-gun

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 04:00, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect? I had a look at the one link 11v11 [26] and it said FIFA World Cup Asia group 4, in 1980 December, and one game played in 1981 January all in the same tournament, so there maybe a redirect available for his name. Was trying to work it out for a possible redirect. If not guess it's a delete. Govvy (talk) 10:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:39, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Desmond Murphy

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We don't normally create articles for players playing just 1 first class match. Only primary sources provided. Fails WP:NCRIC. LibStar (talk) 01:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The worst case situation here is a redirect to List of Irish first-class cricketers, with a partial merge to a note so that the biographical details and references can be preserved. Given the quality of information at this source the chances are that there are contemporary press records offline that could be used to build a proper biography. Liddle appears to be the go to expert on Irish cricketers and clearly wrote for the ACS on the subject - a set of his biographies can be found here for future reference. It might be worth a keep based on Liddle's biography and the fact that he got a Wisden obituary (which is not a gimme, especially for single appearance players), but I'd rather see something a bit more contemporary in news sources. But it really is redirect at the worst - this is never a delete situation. Blue Square Thing (talk) 19:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edgar Stangeland

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Only primary sources provided. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 00:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. A certain amount of these speedway AFDs seem somewhat premature, coming in rapid succession. Where are you doing your WP:BEFORE? Please don't answer Google, I'd like to direct the attention here. Geschichte (talk) 07:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some have been deleted, some have been retained. It's not really rapid succession. LibStar (talk) 07:36, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But to what extent have you done WP:BEFORE searches? BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:06, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep national champion per #4 of WP:NMOTORSPORT. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:51, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vitali Yatsko

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A 'senior coach' is not the manager and is not an inherently notable position, especially since WP:FOOTYN is no longer valid. I can't find anything more than passing mentions of Yatsko, including the 4 references already used. My own searches yielded nothing better than Sports.kz and Sports Daily, both passing mentions again. Does not seem to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:41, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Per nom, Govvy (talk) 10:50, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Dmitri Dmitruk

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under GNG or SNG. The references and external links are all database type entries. North8000 (talk) 20:18, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Noah Holcomb

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I propose the deletion of the Wikipedia article on Noah Holcomb for the following reasons:

Lack of Notability:

According to Wikipedia's General Notability Guidelines, a topic is presumed notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Upon thorough research, Noah Holcomb does not meet this criterion. The available sources primarily consist of minor mentions and local coverage, which do not constitute significant coverage. Insufficient Reliable Sources:

The sources cited in the article do not meet the standard of reliable, secondary sources. Most of the references are primary sources or lack the editorial oversight needed to be considered reliable. There is a scarcity of independent coverage from reputable media outlets, academic publications, or other authoritative sources. Failure to Meet Sports Notability Criteria:

For athletes, Wikipedia's Sports Notability Guidelines specify that individuals should have achieved significant success in major international competitions at the highest level. Noah Holcomb has not been documented to have such achievements. His sports career, as detailed in the article, does not include any significant milestones that would warrant notability under these guidelines. Verifiability and Independence Issues:

Wikipedia's Verifiability Policy requires that all content must be verifiable and based on reliable sources. Much of the information in the article lacks independent verification and appears to be derived from sources closely associated with Holcomb, thereby compromising the objectivity required for a Wikipedia article. Consensus from the Community:

Previous discussions and evaluations by the Wikipedia community have highlighted similar concerns regarding the subject's notability. There has been a consistent lack of support for maintaining the article due to the reasons mentioned above. Given these points, I believe the article on Noah Holcomb does not meet Wikipedia's standards for inclusion. I recommend deletion to maintain the quality and reliability of the encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiUserExplorer23 (talk • contribs) 23:09, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails SPORTBASIC/GNG. Couldn't find any significant coverage at all. Though I recommend the nominator not use ChatGPT to generate their comments in the future. C F A 💬 20:33, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Just noting that the nominator's two edits are to nominate this article for an AFD discussion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:19, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bruno Font

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Fails GNG. All I could find was mentions in routine match coverage. Dougal18 (talk) 13:33, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: per nom. No significant coverage. C F A 💬 18:57, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep. There does seem to be some coverage, e.g. 1 2 3 4. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:17, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Not finding enough coverage about the subject to meet the WP:GNG. What has been brought to the discussion thus far is more about other things besides the BLP or not have depth otherwise, and a search for additional coverage failed to uncover anything worthwhile. Let'srun (talk) 19:10, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Matúš Turňa

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Another long-time stub of a Slovak footballer named Matúš, he last played for Spartak Trnava in 2021 before disappearing from the football world. My Google showed nothing better than brief mentions and routine coverage, including this one. I've checked corresponding articles in other Wikipedia languages but none of them provide significant coverage; the Slovak one has been tagged for notability issues since 2021 so it obviously will not help copy over English article. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:00, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment he last played for Spartak Trnava in 2021 before disappearing from the football world. Well, he was 35 in 2021 so probably retired. Over a 12-year career between 2009 and 2021 Turňa made close to 300 appearances in the Slovak First Football League, the first tier of Slovakian football which was fully professional in all of that time (Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues). I'd be surprised if there's no WP:SIGCOV; I'll have a look later. Robby.is.on (talk) 10:58, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your comment is based on a guideline that has been abandoned following NSPORTS2022. The fact that someone has made over 100 appearances in a fully-professional league or senior national team is no longer supported. This article needs to actually meet WP:GNG in order for it to be kept. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:07, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? I didn't state that their number of appearances was sufficient. Note how I didn't even write "keep" and how I said I'd look for SIGCOV. Robby.is.on (talk) 11:44, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Matúš Turňa is still active player, currently only on an amateur level of football, playing for FK Podkonice in the 3rd tier of Slovak football. Recently, he played full match on 11 August 2024, source: https://sportnet.sme.sk/futbalnet/z/sfz/zapas/800573/#zostavy IQual (talk) 06:52, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning keep per previous commenter and some significant coverage found here. Lots of coverage here and there, and it's interesting to me that he was named the 10th best domestic signing during a particular transfer window. They would not name run-of-the-mill players in the top 10. Geschichte (talk) 19:58, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which show notability. Giant Snowman 14:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jordan Palin

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. Google news yields 2 possible third party sources but they are routine coverage of retiring and missing out on a season. LibStar (talk) 23:49, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Allan Ivo Steel

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Aside from dying in World War I, this player does not seem to rise to WP:NCRICKET. I already removed some information about his brother and his mother, as they lacked sources. The article is looking pretty bare at this point. Hornpipe2 (talk) 17:48, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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weak delete: Found a book describing him as a "first class cricketeer" [27] but it's barely a few paragraphs. This is also a brief mention [28]. Just don't have enough on this fellow. Oaktree b (talk) 19:02, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Mentioned in plenty of book sources, in quite some detail. AA (talk) 20:44, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Where, we don't have any listed? Oaktree b (talk) 21:57, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Final Wicket: Test and First Class Cricketers Killed in the Great War (which I have) goes into great detail on him. Wisden has an obituary on him in its 1918 edition, which also goes into a good degree of detail. I'd imagine there's coverage in newspapers from the time too, The Times certainly mentions him following his death. AA (talk) 22:03, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is all fine and I appreciate the additional resources added, but, does that still make him a "notable" player in the eyes of WP:NCRICKET? I'm hardly knowledgeable of cricket, does

"he represented Marylebone Cricket Club (MCC) and also Middlesex in two first-class matches in 1912."

counts as "Have played at the international level for a Test-playing nation"? Hornpipe2 (talk) 00:09, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
NCRICKET goes on to say "Additionally, cricketers who have played at the highest domestic level, or in the lower levels of international cricket, may have sufficient coverage about them to justify an article, but it should not be assumed to exist without further proof." Playing for Middlesex in first-class cricket counts as "the highest domestic level", so it depends on whether he has "sufficient coverage". Going by what AA has written, he probably does. JH (talk page) 08:55, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm inclined toward keep here, although the very worst case situation would be a redirect to List of Middlesex County Cricket Club players with a note added to include the reference detail. There's a Wisden obituary with some detail and I would be surprised if there weren't other obituaries - Eton, The Times etc.... Given his family and status this seems very, very likely - I'd suggest that with any war death that a significant BEFORE should really take place as there's often a scad load of detail out there and as a person he would appear to me to be clearly notable in terms of the sorts of things we'd look for. The book that is referred to above is usually a detailed source as well, and Sandford also appears to mention him in his The Final Over: The Cricketers of Summer 1914 - there's story about him uncovering a diamond worth £1 million in Kashmir. No idea where that came from, but there's clearly coverage out there about the chap and he seems notable to me. Blue Square Thing (talk) 20:07, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rolandas Jasevičius

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Does not meet WP:SPORTSCRIT, Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. PROD was contested but unable to locate independent significant coverage of this individual. C 679 06:09, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Seems to have been well-known in Lithuania, which Lithuanian media did you search in your WP:BEFORE? I found the basics in an Lithuanian Sports Encyclopedia, coverage of his European bronze in 2004 (career highlight = not WP:ROUTINE) and WP:SUSTAINED coverage of an assault later in 2004 that halted his career. Geschichte (talk) 07:38, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep, per Geschichte. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comments/Question Competing at the Olympics is no longer sufficient to show WP notability, especially when you're badly beaten in the opening round (54-21). A bronze medal at the European championships doesn't meet any SNG and his semi-final bout was stopped in the second round of the fight (where he lost to someone who lost in the second round of the Olympics). The coverage of his bronze medal was just coverage of the results of the Lithuanian boxers in the event. His short listing in the Lithuanian Sports Encyclopedia is more of a database entry than an article. Being a crime victim doesn't make him WP notable, either. Since he fails WP:NOLY and WP:NBOX, he needs to meet WP:GNG. I don't read Lithuanian, but I can use Google translate. Can someone please point me to the coverage that shows he meets WP:GNG? Thank you. Papaursa (talk) 22:54, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Finn Ecrepont

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Fails GNG, lacks SIGCOV. Dougal18 (talk) 11:41, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The way the Ayrshire Post went on and on about him, there's enough coverage to meet GNG. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 09:35, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. One Daily Record source is decent - where is the rest? If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just from googling his name, there are at least five stories online which focus on him (so not mentions in general match reports or counting any of the stories from his 60-yard goal). The Ayrshire Post have also published at least six stories about him specifically, I don't know how many of these are online though. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 11:13, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dean Hawkshaw

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Hawkshaw fails GNG with a lack of SIGCOV. Dougal18 (talk) 11:59, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I don't see nothing wrong with the article, a full professional Scotland footballer with good basic coverage. Passes WP:BASIC in my view. Govvy (talk) 15:37, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Third party sourcing. WP:GNG passes.BabbaQ (talk) 16:18, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per above. Svartner (talk) 07:01, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment 12/17 sources are either stats or non-independent of Hawkshaw. Donegallive - Hawkshaw injured an opponent, Courier - he's playing after concussion, Daily Record 1 - "while Dean Hawkshaw has stepped up his rehabilitation from a knee injury", Daily Record 2, routine transfer news and Cumnock Chronicle "GLENAFTON brought new signing Dean Hawkshaw, pictured, into the starting 11 on Saturday and he made an instant impact." That isn't a GNG pass or a pass of BASIC. Dougal18 (talk) 07:46, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Danny Kennedy (speedway rider)

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. LibStar (talk) 03:10, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - No WP:SIGCOV about the guy Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 06:50, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The Evening Times from 1978 (here and here) states that they were the "Australian under-21 champion". It's not clear what Australian under-21 competition is being referred to, however this may go towards passing WP:NMOTORSPORT. TarnishedPath^talk 10:47, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some coverage here and here; also found a brief bit from Old Bike Australasia two years ago ("Danny Kennedy, born in Ballarat in 1958, enjoyed seven seasons in UK from 1976 to 1982, the last four years riding for the Poole Pirates, where he was immensely popular. Sadly he died from a brain tumour in 1993."). What makes the book sources in the article primary? BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:35, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per TarnishedPath's and BeanieFan11's recommendations. SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:55, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Per BeanieFan11's and my comments above. TarnishedPath^talk 05:45, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Marko Levishyn

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. LibStar (talk) 02:12, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom, lacks WP:SIGCOV as the sources is just databases Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 05:06, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep rode in the Speedway World Cup, the pinnacle of speedway Pyeongchang (talk) 10:07, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I support Pyeongchang's assertion that the SWC is "the pinnacle of speedway". We allow bios of sports that is the pinnacle of sport, so why can't this? SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:49, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It still needs to meet WP:SPORTSCRIT: A person is presumed to be notable if they have been the subject of significant coverage, that is, multiple published non-trivial secondary sources which are reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject LibStar (talk) 05:03, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
...or I say userfy for future notabiity since he is young and plenty to go. This nom maybe is a bio thus presumably different but I'll use this as an argument. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2024 Sakhir Formula 3 round. SpacedFarmer (talk) 10:21, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This added source is just a 1 sentence mention of Levishyn and not SIGCOV. LibStar (talk) 10:29, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Per nom. The sources barely mention the subject and SIGCOV not present. Need more sources with in depth coverage, not passing mentions in the table. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 06:49, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Matthew Immers

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Immers fails GNG with a lack of SIGCOV. The sources are more focused on Steven van de Velde than Immers. Dougal18 (talk) 12:21, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect – I made a good faith effort to try and expand this earlier but Dougal18 is right, the sourcing is almost entirely about his connection to Steven van de Velde. They did win a match but I don't think that translates to a medal where WP:NOLYMPICS comes into play and even then that's presumptive notability. It's possible I'm not looking in the right places and the current coverage is just drowning out other aspects of this guy's career but I honestly haven't found anything. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 12:25, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect (& delete individual page). Athlete is not independently notable, which fails WP:SPORTBASIC. Even the German page about him has no independent sourcing. All notable mentions in the media are connected to Steven van de Velde. Silvymaro (talk) 14:42, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Netherlands_at_the_2024_Summer_Olympics#Volleyball. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 19:19, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I improved the article with a couple of his merits that are not related to van de Velde. Commonssense (talk) 20:50, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect The improvements - two youth appearances - are the definition of routine coverage, and passing mentions relating to non-notability-establishing tournaments, at that. And only two, but even if there were three (bare minimum of continued coverage), it's not sigcov. Kingsif (talk) 22:03, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect even after the improvements my Commonsense this still lacks Notability as it only came from one source, which I still don't know if it is WP:RS Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 06:24, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep - Steven van de Veldes article was a Keep and deemed notable per WP:GNG. This person is as well notable per good third party sources and Olympic appearance and sports career.BabbaQ (talk) 16:21, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The premise of the AfD is that Immers' connection to someone notable (van de Velde) does not make Immers notable - arguing that someone else is notable is not a !keep argument, let alone a strong one. Kingsif (talk) 22:11, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Immers has now consistent top ten placements in the European Championships, World Championships and the Olympics, so he clearly belongs to a very narrow elite in his sport. His European championship title as a junior may not be enough in itself (I and BabbaQ have expanded the article considerably since most people here argued for redirect) but even that is important in the big picture, how consistent this player has been throughout his career. The argument to keep has nothing to do with the global infamy resulting from his association to van de Velde. As a beach volley player he is equally notable in his own right as van de Velde is in that regard. Commonssense (talk) 08:54, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was responding to BabbaQ's argument that since Van de Velde has an article, Immers should. Your response, about how great you think he is and how much work you put into adding two lines to the article, is irrelevant to that. Kingsif (talk) 22:16, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Does meet WP:SPORTCRIT, and has more coverage in Dutch. Geschichte (talk) 13:54, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Geschichte: Would you be able to link to some Dutch sources that discuss him in depth? Sources don't have to be in English but it helps to have actual links instead of "sources exist". Thanks. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:06, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strongly oppose redirect: Matthew Immers has played on a high level with a number different people (such as Yorick de Groot, together with whom he won silver at the 2018 Summer Youth Olympics). It is common in beach volleyball to play with multiple partners during ones career. To redirect him to one specific partner is not very helpful. In particular when that specific partners fame is based on the combination of being an Olympian and a convicted child rapists. There is no sports reason to redirect Immers to van de Velde rather than the other way around. The only reason would be that van de Velde is more famous due to being a convicted child rapists. Since Immers is not a convicted child rapists having a redirect that way seems like an (unintentional) character assassination. As per Geschichte and others I would prefer keep due to his results as a player. Gunnar Larsson (talk) 19:28, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The proposed redirect target is surely Netherlands_at_the_2024_Summer_Olympics#Volleyball. Kingsif (talk) 22:15, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Whilst that for sure is better than Steven van de Velde that is not an obvious target. It is only the competition that is most recent right now. Beach volleyball at the 2018 Summer Youth Olympics would likely make more sense, since that is the global competition in which he won a medal. In general redirects are quite overused on Wikipedia in ways that are not very helpful. If not considered noteworthy a simple deletion would probably be better since then search tools can show any of the articles in which he is mentioned. Gunnar Larsson (talk) 06:29, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I suggested Van de Velde as the target since most of the coverage I could find was talking about them together and the article goes into how both of them scored. I'm open to a better target and I think Kingsif's suggestion is the best idea. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 19:05, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Would you still consider that if the year was not 2024 and the Olympics hadn't just finished? I fail to see that the Olympics is an obvious redirect for someone that have achieved similar results in the World Championships etc. If you do not consider it noteworthy then why not just delete it? Search engines will still find the Olympics and other competitions he competed in (imho we are overusing redirects a lot, their importance is in guiding the user to pages where the article subject is handled in a more holistic way, the goal should not be to make editors happy about that one red link has been removed).

With regards to media exposure etc. I would suggest searching something like [29], i.e. in Dutch and without van de Velde. Most people are mainly written about in their local language rather in English. Can even use something like [30] (with the time bit set to "Archives" to get rid of overexposure of the most recent events). Gunnar Larsson (talk) 09:12, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand Dutch so it'd help if you clarify if these are SIGCOV about Immers or simply passing mentions. If there is enough SIGCOV for GNG, I'm okay with changing my !vote to keep. My opinion on redirecting to the Olympics was because I was under the impression that was the highest level of competition he had competed in (previous comments mention the Youth Olympics and I did not notice the World Championships angle). If he truly isn't notable and he's known for both, I support deleting because the target would actually be ambiguous. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 09:42, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Netherlands_at_the_2024_Summer_Olympics#Volleyball. I struggle to see more that routine coverage and no coverage that is focused on the subject. --Enos733 (talk) 20:57, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Gunnar Larsson. Gamaliel (talk) 16:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Netherlands_at_the_2024_Summer_Olympics#Volleyball: I'm not seeing much coverage about this subject specifically in depth, rather most of the coverage mentioning him is about other people. Let'srun (talk) 18:59, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Markku Helminen

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, only primary sources supplied. A search in google news only comes up with third party sources of a namesake. LibStar (talk) 04:29, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments: LibStar: I'm no expert on speedway, so there might be something I'm missing, but could you explain your assessment that all the sources here are primary ones? A book like Who's Who of World Speedway and so on. /Julle (talk) 07:10, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There's bunch of brief mentions in older Finnish newspapers (accessed via National Archives of Finland's digital archive):

Helsingin Sanomat, 9 May 1975 - mentioned a few times in standard post-event coverage together with other participants.
Etelä-Suomen Sanomat, 31 May 1976 - same, a few passing mentions
Etelä-Suomen Sanomat, 22 January 1978 - elected as the chair of the Salpausselkä Motor Club, given some awards. Very short piece.
Etelä-Suomen Sanomat, 30 August 1976 - event coverage, wins bronze in Turku.
Etelä-Suomen Sanomat, 19 September 1974 - briefly mentioned as the "best driver in the series".

I didn't survey all the hits, but the best appears to be a profile/interview in Etelä-Suomen Sanomat on 1 September 1977 (link, requires a researcher account), a bit more than a quarter of a (broadsheet) page in size. Interestingly, it also features a (very cropped) image of an English language news story titled "Markku provides bright spot" by Ken Gaunt, apparently from either Speedway Mail or Leicester Mercury, both of which we are told have featured him.

Based on the coverage I have access to, I'm personally rather ambivalent. That said, if someone can actually find the English language coverage mentioned in the Finnish papers and verify they are of reasonable depth, I suspect this would lean towards keep for me. -Ljleppan (talk) 09:59, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. With the additional Finnish sources and the lack of explaination as to why Who's Who of World Speedway would count a as a primary source, I'm leaning towards keep. /Julle (talk) 17:25, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Who's who of world speedway appears to be written by rider Ivan Mauger, as a rider he has a direct connection to the sport and may even know personally many of the riders covered in his book. From WP:PSTS: Primary sources are original materials that are close to an event, and are often accounts written by people who are directly involved. LibStar (talk) 03:42, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Michele Paco Castagna

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. A search in google news yielded nothing. LibStar (talk) 03:54, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep three times Champion of Italy and has ridden in the highest possible league of speedway in Britain (equivalent to the football Premier league). Pyeongchang (talk) 10:35, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have added three more non Primary sources as suggested to the article. Pyeongchang (talk) 10:35, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The interviews are primary and non-independent, and the press release is a namedrop. All of them are very far from SIGCOV. JoelleJay (talk) 22:44, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. IRS SIGCOV entirely lacking. JoelleJay (talk) 22:45, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as Pyeongchang pointed out. Being a double national champion, pass criteria 4 of (an overly biased towards circuit racing that is] WP:NMOTORSPORT. SpacedFarmer (talk) 20:47, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hynek Štichauer

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. Only primary sources provided. Google news yields zero. LibStar (talk) 00:58, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Member of the Czech team that rode in the 2023 World Cup (the pinnacle of speedway alongside the Grand Prix), has also ridden in the highest possible league of speedway in Britain (equivalent to the football Premier league). Pyeongchang (talk) 11:29, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. I have added multiple non primary sources to article.

Delete. Of the non-stats refs, this is a routine transactional interview with a team promoter (primary, non-independent)

; this is a routine transactional interview with a club owner

; this is a brief transactional press release; and this is a passing mention in an injury update. Nowhere close to SIGCOV in IRS. JoelleJay (talk) 23:09, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ricky Kling

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Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT, almost all primary sources provided. The one independent source is a 1 line mention of this person. LibStar (talk) 07:34, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep As a national U21 champion, pass criteria 4 of WP:NMOTORSPORT. SpacedFarmer (talk) 15:22, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- In which category of criteria four do you believe the Swedish Junior Speedway Championship falls under? It appears to be amateur, not professional, and of questionable national significance. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 08:46, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - The Swedish U21 Championship is fully professional, not amateur. Pyeongchang (talk) 09:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - Could you provide a source for that? 5225_C (talk • contributions) 10:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Rode in the highest possible tier of not only the British league (equivalent of football's premier league) but also the Swedish league. Pyeongchang (talk) 09:59, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I have added three more non primary sources references to the article, plenty more out there. Pyeongchang (talk) 10:11, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The sources are 1, 2. Stats page N. 3. SPS stats page N. 4. Team site N. 5. 2-4 non-quote sentences with zero encyclopedic secondary coverage (e.g. "But the Eastbourne Eagles reserve hopes...") N. 6. Trivial mention in transactional news N. 7. Interview with barely one sentence of secondary background info N. 8. Namedrop in transactional news N. 9. Team site N. JoelleJay (talk) 22:56, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, meets NBIO/GNG. There's several articles with significant coverage of him in Swedish media: [31], [32], [33], [34] AlexandraAVX (talk) 13:35, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Leaning delete: First and last of sources brought up are very short pieces merely stating that he will participate in some competition or other, so not WP:SIGCOV. The two others are paywalled, so I can't say much about those and they may prove me wrong. On my side, didn't find anything better than name drops. Regarding the possible WP:NMOTORSPORT C4, the U21 championship seems far from national importance, given it has very little coverage and is not even mentioned in Speedway in Sweden. — Alien333 (what I did & why I did it wrong) 15:24, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I've added three sources. One is a very short news piece, but the other two have more substance. /Julle (talk) 09:56, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - additional sources added which shows notability per WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 13:05, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Part of 5 keep !votes in 5 minutes, BabbaQ (talk · contribs) including this one in a similar AfD saying there are third party sources when there are none. LibStar (talk) 01:22, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
LibStar: Just a minor note that the statement that Gunnar Malmqvist has no third-party sources isn't entirely correct – while I haven't gone through all the others to assess them I've added at least one newspaper article myself a couple of weeks ago. /Julle (talk) 06:51, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Per @AlexandraAVX. I also found https://www.smalandsdagblad.se/2021-10-19/kling-hoppas-fa-vetlanda-pa-ratt-vag-igen-en-stor-utmaning and https://vt.se/sport/speedway/artikel/ricky-kling-till-vetlanda/jdgzwz4j, this is wp:SIGCOV for wp:SPORTCRIT alone. CherryPie94 🍒🥧 (talk) 04:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, article is well sourced and he was won notable championships. Davidgoodheart (talk) 16:30, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Paul Lucas (playwright)

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Basically per WP:WEBHOST. This article has been tagged as possibly having been "created or edited in return for undisclosed payments, a violation of Wikipedia's terms of use" for over seven years with no resolution of that tag. Notable or not, Wikipedia should not maintain content that violates its terms of use for such a length of time. BD2412 T 02:53, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Timothy Williams (actor)

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I can't see that this has WP:SIGCOV in multiple independent reliable sources or that they meet WP:NACTOR. The article itself lists roles in multiple TV series and TV movies, however I can't see reliable sourcing to support the claims. The only independent reliable source which has SIGCOV I could find in an WP:BEFORE was this. TarnishedPath^talk 01:57, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: per nom. Not enough coverage to write a verifiable article and certainly not enough to establish notability. I can't find any significant coverage. The CBC article linked is about Tim Williams (actor), not this guy. C F A 💬 02:08, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Move to draft. Tag everything that is uncited as {{citation needed}} and tag everything that is cited to IMDb as {{better citation needed}}. BD2412 T 03:08, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Yazeed Al Rashed Al Khuzai

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Doesn't meet WP:NAUTHOR. An author with non notable literary works. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 18:51, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Laura Mullen

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Lacks references other than external links to the subject's own sites/publications. Reads like a resume of her career, as in the list of grants, and an advert for her published works. No examination or analysis of her work and significance, if any, nor independent discussion of her relationship to the pantheon of modern poets/authors. A WP:BEFORE search turns up just her books and news reports of one incident in Fall, 2023, when she resigned in protest over the Israel-Hamas war. Fails WP:GNG, and WP:BIO. As far as third party, independent publications about the subject, they are mostly limited to the one event mentioned. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 18:05, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Russell Humphreys

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Fails WP:NBIO and WP:NPROF among others. All sources seem to be to those non-compliant with WP:FRIND. Moreover, quite a few of them are to the subject himself. jps (talk) 21:13, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The only case for notability appears to be as a fringe theorist. But per WP:FRINGE and WP:V, we need reliable sources in mainstream sources to provide a neutral mainstream view on these theories, and I found none. If we had enough reliable (mainstream) reviews of his book we could retarget this as an article about the book with a redirect from his name, but I didn't find any of those either. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment YEC isn't "fringe" in any meaningful sense, and Young Earth creationism doesn't label it as such; it's a religious perspective, and WP:FRINGE directly addresses this: For example, creationism and creation science should be described primarily as religious and political movements and the fact that claims from those perspectives are disputed by mainstream theologians and scientists should be directly addressed. Thus, comments on his scientific ideas by theologians would be addressing the topic directly and potentially count towards notability, and the search can't stop with scientists. Jclemens (talk) 00:06, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Being at odds with pretty much all sciences it touches" is a meaningful sense of "fringe". So, yes, YEC is very much fringe. --Hob Gadling (talk) 05:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Islam, Mormonism, Buddhism, Hinduism... all are at odds with pretty much all the sciences they touch. But they're not fringe because fringe is science absent religion, rather than religious perspectives on scientific topics. Jclemens (talk) 20:57, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:FRINGE is not science absent religion. I promise you. If you disagree, go ask around and see if there is consensus for your position. jps (talk) 22:06, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ fringe? The parting of the Red Sea? The direct divine revelation of the Quran or the Book of Mormon? If you think any of them might be, that's an intellectually honest but encyclopedically useless answer in that it would require religious topics be described as if they were not. If none of them are, then how do you articulate an intellectually consistent differentiation between FRINGE and unproven (and arguably unprovable) religious claims? Jclemens (talk) 18:05, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jclemens: YEC, presented as a scientific theory in the 21st century, is unquestionably fringe. There is nothing in the article in question presenting the subject as a theologian or a fantasy novelist or as any other type of person for whom this might plausibly considered as non-fringe; the article frames his work purely as science, and as such it is fringe. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:53, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You keep saying that as if repeating it will make it true. It's a theological stance, derived from a literal interpretation of the book of Genesis, trying to present itself as science. It's not; it's religion. Jclemens (talk) 18:01, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Where in our article do you find any hint that this is religious in nature? And in what sense does having a "theological stance" but "trying to present itself as science" make it anything other than fringe? —David Eppstein (talk) 19:39, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Um. Why except for a literal reading of Genesis would anyone look at the world and say "Man, this looks like six days of divine creation six thousand-ish years ago"? Jclemens (talk) 03:53, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Michael Raiter

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Last AfD was 7 months ago and no consensus. I still believe he fails WP:BIO and WP:AUTHOR. There is no inherent notability in any of the roles he has had. LibStar (talk) 00:21, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Melbourne School of Theology: As was proposed last time, seems fine to me. I don't see much additional coverage. Oaktree b (talk) 02:41, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete I believe the article fails notability and WP:RS guidelines, but I would also support a merge if that was editorial consensus.Go4thProsper (talk) 02:56, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

David Rowley (writer)

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Help! Can't find any reviews of the Beatles books written by this guy, hence failing WP:NAUTHOR. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:05, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are at least two sigcov reviews of his books on ProQuest. 1 for Beatles For Sale, 1 for All Together Now. That's not quite there but I can't do an in depth check now - however, it's not nothing. I will vote after I have done a better check. PARAKANYAA (talk) 07:56, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Does one of the ProQuest articles include a review from The Spectator? A review for All Together Now shows up in Google Search, but it's a dead link and not archived from what I can tell. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 23:54, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Significa liberdade Yes, that's one of them. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:54, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PARAKANYAA: Is the other the review in Goldmine? Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 00:02, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Significa liberdade Yes. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:07, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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A. K. A. Firoze Noon

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From reading the cringe-worthy prose of early revisions ("one of the finest sons of the soil, who shines in the civil and political society all by his own radiance ...", etc.), this appears to have been created as a memorial, which is not what the encyclopedia is for.

Searching online and offline in English and Bengali found nothing beyond the short obituary and death anniversary notice, a primary source program listing, and bookseller sites. It doesn't amount to significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources.

After stripping out everything for which no source could be identified, it is clear that he meets none of WP:POLITICIAN, WP:CREATIVE, or WP:GNG. Worldbruce (talk) 18:44, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I agree that the subject of this article fails GNG, SNG for Politicians and Authors. Prof.PMarini (talk) 03:56, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Zhu Yudong

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I can’t see any in depth coverage in RIS to indicate that this subject is notable. There may be sources in Chinese I didn’t manage to turn up - if not this article should go. Mccapra (talk) 00:58, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I have been finding Chinese language sources for this subject, who seems to be a pretty famous director. I haven't yet found any RS that demonstrate individual notability, but I'll look again later today and report my findings or not findings as applicable. Our article is longer than his Baidu page, which seems kinda sus. Folly Mox (talk) 11:24, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Here are some sources I found:
1. Wang, Xiaoye 王小野 (2021-02-18). ""数字文创展——来自四维空间的线圈世界"展览开幕：用科技与艺术传递光与爱" ["Digital Cultural and Creative Exhibition - Coil World from Four-Dimensional Space" Exhibition Opens: Delivering Light and Love with Technology and Art]. china.com [zh] (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-08-12. Retrieved 2024-08-12.
  The article provides a passing mention. The article notes: "中央新影集团著名导演朱昱东". From Google Translate: "Zhu Yudong, a famous director from China Film Group"
2. "电影《海霞》要拍续集了" [The movie "Haixia" is going to have a sequel]. Wenzhou Business Daily [zh] (in Chinese). 2012-08-30. p. 文娱 14.
  The article notes: "月中旬到10月初开拍。执导此部电影的总导演为中央电视台副台长、中央新影集团总裁高峰。导演为中央电视台科教节目制作中心导演朱昱东，他的电影剧本《达西的季节》、《他们》曾分别获得国家广播电影电视总局夏衍杯剧本奖、中国台湾“行政院新闻局”优良剧本征选大"
  From Google Translate: "...Filming will start from mid-October to early October. The chief director of this movie is Gao Feng, deputy director of CCTV and president of China Film Group. The director is Zhu Yudong, director of CCTV's Science and Education Program Production Center. His movie scripts "Darcy's Season" and "They" have won the Xia Yan Cup Script Award of the State Administration of Radio, Film and Television and the Excellent Script Selection Competition of the "Executive Yuan News Bureau" of Taiwan, China..."
Cunard (talk) 09:12, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The Chinese Wikipedia article was deleted in December 2010 after a sparsely attended discussion at zh:Wikipedia:頁面存廢討論/記錄/2021/12/04#朱昱东. The sources I found suggest Zhu Yudong is notable but are not by themselves enough for him to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline or Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria. If more sources cannot be found, I would recommend delete. I hope more sources can be found. Cunard (talk) 09:12, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much for looking into this. Mccapra (talk) 09:20, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Bret Kamwi

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Article doesn't meet WP:NAUTHOR and WP:ACTOR. At most impact, for directing a quite significantly covered play, I won't have at prejudice with redirecting to List of Namibian writers. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 13:46, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jon Radoff

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Appears to fail WP:NBIO - while it does have a piece of significant coverage, the InfoWorld article, the others are just announcements and primary source interviews without substantive discussion. It does not pass WP:NARTIST either due to the fact he was just a co-developer or director of most games he made. When the article was first made it also failed NBIO and does not seem to have remedied that situation. There are a lot of minor mentions, but a lack of SIGCOV. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:36, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom, still fails the If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability. as most of them are primary and just trivial Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 05:51, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: ComputerHope database entry. This appears to be a follow up from Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Beamable, note that gamerDNA, founded by Radoff, also has an article.. IgelRM (talk) 21:23, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

When you add this Ars Technica article, combined with PC Gamer and Boston Globe articles, I do think GuildCafe/GamerDNA passes WP:NCORP, so I will not be nominating it for deletion. Though I can't say the same for its creator yet. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:30, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But the Ars article heavily quotes Radoff, so I think WP:ATD would be feasible again. Not going by guidelines briefly, GamerDNA appeared to exist from 2006 to 2011(?), while Radoff had a career from 1992 to now. IgelRM (talk) 00:22, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sorry, I think keep the article if we use the sources from GamerDNA and Disruptor Beam and maybe merge GamerDNA here. Sources for Disruptor: gamesindustry.biz, gamedaily.biz, pocketgamer.biz IgelRM (talk) 17:15, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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