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August 15

image copyright

I have uploaded an image that is a scanned xerox of an old yearbook photo. I have never seen the original photo or yearbook. What copyright code/tag should be used in such a situation?00:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC)Wikidoodledandy

I wouldn't have uploaded it in the first place. If you're not sure of the copyright status, it's very hard for anyone else to figure out what the proper license should be. In this case, it would seem to be a copyrighted image of a living person. This does not fall within our fair use policy for copyrighted images, as such pictures can generally be replaced by a free version, which is either released into the public domain or licensed under a free-use or "copyleft" policy. If you are able to get such a picture (such as by taking it yourself), I would recommend uploading and then using it instead, as the one you currently have uploaded will be deleted in a few days. For future reference, you may want to carefully read our fair use policy, which describes what copyrighted images can be used and how. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 02:35, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. That's what I figured after having read the fair use policy, but given the complexity and numbers of possible tags, I wanted to confirm I hadn't overlooked something. I'll find a more appropriate image that can be identified with the proper tags. I appreciate the feedback.

6th pillar of wikipedia

I saw the 5 pillars of wikipedia. Is there not a 6th? About about truth?

What would you do if a few editors insisted on a biased version and refuse to explain or reach consensus? What they are saying is not the truth, is not neutral, and is biased. I have looked at ArbCom and they don't settle editing disputes. Looking at the archives, these people have rejected RFC and mediation. Haveaquestion 00:03, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't see how anyone can give you a useful answer without knowing what you're talking about. Also, this question is your only contribution- if there is a content dispute you've also been involved in, it must have been under a different username. Any reason you're using multiple accounts? Friday (talk) 00:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I forgot my password. Haveaquestion 00:22, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia has no policy on truth. Wikipedia is about collecting documented notes and cobbling them into some sort of readable article. If everything written about a topic is completely false, then it Wikipedia, by policy, will have an article that is completely false. -- Kainaw^(what?) 02:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Lost passwords?

If you lost your password and did not enable the e-mail, isn't the procedure to just open a new account?

I edited this past winter and spring but lost my password. In wikipedia, there is a strange fixation about socks. If I edit then people may say "you must be a sock because you used edit summaries from the start" or something like that. This is why I'd like to use my old account, if possible. Haveaquestion 00:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I suggest saying on your new user page that you have previously edited with the other account (giving a link to it), but will not use it again. You can also edit the old user page with a link or redirect to the new user page. Then everything is in the open. PrimeHunter 00:29, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Source info as part of a fair use statement

As this got archived while I was editing it I will repost it in its entirety even though the first part has been answered.

I have searched in vain for a detailed answer regarding the proper format for the source statement used in the {{Non-free use rationale}} for images downloaded from web pages. The best I could find Help:Image_page#Fair_use_rationale but that does not even mention the source information as being a required element. Many images tend to use the base url address only as the source. Others use the specific url address of the image that was uploaded. Can you point me to the policy that clearly states what should be used to indicate the source of images copied from web pages? Dbiel ^(Talk) 02:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

The essential part is the copyright; sources are generally very useful, and considered a required element since they allow verification of the copyright claim. Basically, give as much information as possible about where you got the image; a link to the most specific page possible is good; you can even date it. However, be aware that if you do not provide a source, your claim about the copyright for the image cannot be verified, and the image will probably end up getting deleted. The policy page is Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria. --Haemo 02:34, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the reply, it gets be closer to the information, but seems to be a bit inaccurate from my POV. See Wikipedia:Non-free_content_criteria

If you download an image from the web, you should give the URL:

Source: Downloaded from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4280841.stm

I would see the source of the image being: http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40846000/jpg/_40846791_si_afp203body.jpg (as an example of one of the images on the reference page). So I guess my question remains unanswered as to which is right, a specific ulr of the image itself, or as the Wikipedia:Non-free_content_criteria example shows, only the ulr of the page the image was displayed on? Dbiel ^(Talk) 03:02, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Since I am waiting for a reply, I will expand the question a bit.

Should source information actually be part of the fair use statement or part of the image file itself. As fair use statements are required for each use of the image, the actual "source" for additional uses would be the Wikipedia file itself rather than the source that the file originally came from. The source of the upload file would seem to relate to the upload itself rather than the use of the image.

And repeating the unanswered question above, Sould the source of a image copied from the web be the actual url of the image or should it be, as reference by the example, the url of the page that the image was use on? Pages tend to change their content with time. An image that was on a page today may be removed tomorrow, yet the image file itself may still reside in the same same image directory. Dbiel ^(Talk) 01:25, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of Dance Co. listing.....of the choreographer of 'HARRY POTTER and THE ORDER OF THE PHOENIX' !

Dear Wikipedia, I am Paul Harris, the choreographer of 'Harry Potter and The Order of The Phoenix' (amongst many others). I have a dance company called London Theatre of Ballroom which has existed since 1996 and is REGSITERED UK TRADE MARK NUMBER 2295713. Until a few days ago, it was entered on Wikipedia and atlhough simple, the article was accurate. I have just randomly searched it and it has been deleted ! London Theatre of Ballroom is one of only two such companies in the World and is very well known in the world of Ballroom dancing. At a time of such high profile publicity for me due to the success of 'Harry Potter 5', I am appalled that your 'administrator' has seen fit to delete the entry for my dance company with the cavalier and ill researched reason that...'it appears to be a puff piece for a dance company' ! London Theatre of Ballroom occupies a very unique place in the world of dance and the item could have been linked to many other Wikipedia pages with better research and more care. As Wikipedia currently carry fairly accurate information about me, I would appreciate it if the entry for 11 year old dance compnay could be put back - with a link to the UK Intellectual Property Office (Trade marks data base !). Regards. Paul Harris. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.9.123.211 (talk • contribs)

I'm afraid I can't find the exact deletion log for the article, but based on what you've said, you may want to check our policies on a neutral point of view, advertising, and criteria for speedy deletion G11, which states that articles may be deleted if they appear to be blatant advertising. I didn't see the article myself, so I can't say for certain if that is indeed why it was deleted. For more information, you may want to check those policy pages, or talk to the deleting administrator - in a civil and polite manner - about the situation. Thank you for your understanding, and happy editing. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:15, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The article was at London theatre of ballroom and the poster is apparently Paul Harris (choreographer). PrimeHunter 03:57, 15 August 2007 (UTC

Dear contributor, I wish to correct you statement that 'the poster is apparantly Paul Harris'. I did not post this article in the first place. I edited when I discoverd the entry on Wikipedia. The article said that it was originally posted by 'Dance Scource' ? Paul Harris. Dear contributor

Deleting one of my articles

how do i delete one of my articles —Preceding unsigned comment added by Galardobody (talk • contribs)

Choose a deletion template that best fits your situation and add the template to the page. -- Kainaw^(what?) 03:36, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

It depends on the nature of the article and how many others have contributed. Wikipedia:Deletion process sets forth everything in detail. If you are the only substantial contributor, you can put {{db-author}} at the top of the page. If others have contributed something substantial and the article does not qualify for speedy deletion but you feel that the article deletion would be uncontested, you can go through the proposed deletion process. If the deletion is contested, Articles for deletion is the way to go. --Moonriddengirl 14:52, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I want to create a medical terminology

I have created a medical terminology and I want to submit to Wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by A.N.Balamurugan (talk • contribs).

See Wikipedia:Avoid neologisms. --Teratornis 04:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

You might be interested in Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine, but as Teratornis says, wikipedia is not a place for original research. Recurring dreams 09:09, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia showing bias in favour of scientific explanations

Yesterday I read a very interesting exchange somewhere, oh somewhere, on the help desk pages between a religionist of some persuasion and one of the regular helpers. The believer was complaining bitterly that Wikipedia showed bias in favour of scientific explanations over explanations based on "faith" and something to the effect that the Biblical teachings were misrepresented on Wikipedia as a result.

There was a thoughtfully argued response from the helper explaining that the strength of scientific explanations was greater as they were falsifiable and could be challenged by evidence. The response mentioned images like for example the everyday practicality of using the telephone over any kind of spiritual communication and set out how often Darwinism had been challenged yet had survived (no pun intended) all attempts to refute it.

And my problem is...? I cannot for the life of me locate this interesting exchange no matter what key words I've been typing in. If this rings a bell with any of the helpers I should be grateful if you can provide the link. Sorry about the vagueness of the half-remembered stuff above.

Artdesigns2006 05:33, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Can you remember any keywords, what month, or even better the title of the exchange? i ^said 05:40, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

No alas, that's the problem.

Artdesigns2006 05:44, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I think this might be the one you mean. DH85868993 05:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes it is! Many thanks.

Artdesigns2006 05:48, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I wrote the reply you refer to. You can look at Special:Contributions/Teratornis to find all my blatherings, or search the Help desk archives with Google. However, Google does not seem to have indexed my latest tirades yet, so I had to look at my contributions to find this one:

• Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 August 8#Inequity - diff

In the time it took me to look this up, I had to slog through three edit conflicts to post a reply. Whee! I guess that means the Help desk is working. And yes, there was no point in my posting a reply after the question was already answered, but I worked so hard on it. --Teratornis 05:50, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

"...but I worked so hard on it."

Your efforts are much appreciated.

Thanks

Artdesigns2006 06:27, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Someone who works much harder, or at least more effectively, to make similar points much better than I ever will is Richard Dawkins. It's particularly interesting to read his exchanges with Stephen Jay Gould (see here for example) as the two rhetorical dreadnoughts line up and trade verbal broadsides. Be sure to keep Wiktionary handy in another browser tab, or use Google Search's define: option to help you follow the action as each towering intellect empties his thesaurus at the other. --Teratornis 21:32, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Photo Galleries - I see no photos!

I wonder if anyone can suggest a possible solution for me? I have two computers, one PC and one MAC. On my Mac (Safari browser) Wikipedia photo galleries work fine. However, on my PC (Internet Explorer browser) Wikipedia photo galleries appear with the text only, but no photos. I have tried the obvious things like switching off firewalls and checking browser settings, but can't fix the problem. Has anyone encountered anything similar? Timothy Titus ^{Talk To TT} 10:40, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Browser notes and Wikipedia:Problems FAQ. Also see some of the results for this search of the Help desk archive for "no images". I don't know if that will help. The problem you are having is difficult to diagnose from afar. You can also try searching the Help desk with Google. --Teratornis 02:01, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

creating links from Wikipedia pages to our website

Hi there, I wanted to ask you about creating links from Wikipedia pages to our website. We are a charity TheSite.org, and we provide original, up-to-date, factual information for young people in the UK. Often our pages are likely to be highly relevant as links from your Wikipedia pages, and very useful to those looking for up-to-date and relevant information about a topic. We are considering spending some time going systematically through our website and placing links from Wikipedia to a large number of our relevant pages. We are however concerned that you might mistake us for some kind of spammer, and block us from doing so. My question is: If we create highly relevant links from your pages, in a considered way that is useful to your readers, would we be allowed to do this on a large number of your pages? Kind regards, Jessica Healy. TheSite.org. -- Healyjess (talk · contribs · logs) 11:05, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

You can add links to your site. Others may remove them. If they do, discuss why you feel your links should be on the page and listen to why they feel they shouldn't. -- Kainaw^(what?) 12:57, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Also have a read of WP:EL, the policy regarding external links. Recurring dreams 13:01, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Change skin

Can I change my skin? And also how do I get a G.N.U?Sylvan wu 11:36, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Click "my preferences" at the top of the page. You can change the stylesheet (aka skin). -- Kainaw^(what?) 12:55, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

If you refer to the GNU operating system then there are a lot of versions and some links at GNU. PrimeHunter 14:35, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

template uw-editsummary problem

Im trying to use the {{subst:uw-editsummary|Article}} template, but the Article parameter seems to have no effect. For instance, when I write

{{subst:uw-editsummary|Kristiansand}}

the result is

<a href="/wiki/Image:Information.svg" class="image" title=""><img alt="" longdesc="/wiki/Image:Information.svg" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/28/Information.svg/25px-Information.svg.png" width="25" height="25" /></a> Hello. Please don't forget to provide an <a href="/wiki/Help:Edit_summary" title="Help:Edit summary">edit summary</a>. Thank you.

with no mention of the Kristiansand article. Am I doing something wrong? What is the purpose of the Article parameter?
Dubidub 13:03, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Works for me! You type {{subst:uw-editsummary|Kristiansand}} to produce Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary.

Thank you. Cheers! SLSB talk • contrib 13:20, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

No mention of Kristiansand there, so... no it didn't work as expected. --Dubidub 14:33, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Looking at the template code, it doesn't seem to use the first ("Article") parameter at all (and, from what I can see, never has!) Note that the template accepts, and does seem to use, a second parameter, which replaces the "Thank you" at the end with custom text, e.g. {{subst:uw-editsummary|Article|mytext}} produces:

Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary. mytext

So, I don't think you're doing anything wrong. DH85868993 13:45, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Look at the template Template:uw-editsummary. It says there is a article place SLSB talk • contrib 13:51, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The template documentation and code don't match. I have notified the template creator. PrimeHunter 14:32, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Resolved

 – ^Khukri 22:56, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Translating

To Whom It May Concern:

Greetings! I have a brief question. I found a great article on the origins of my last name; however, it is only in Spanish. I am a Certified Spanish and Portuguese interpreter and translator and would be extremely interested in translating the article, especially into English, for the benefit of those who have lost the ability to read in the Spanish language, but may have the last name in question. I've searched a little bit regarding how to go about translating articles, but am not sure how to go about it. A little help please.

Thank you very much.

Sincerely,

Rjsantana 13:55, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Translation should give you the information needed on how to get the process started. That page also shows other pages that people have requested be translated, so if you're willing, you can help with those as well! Happy editing! Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 14:20, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

city of Columbus (MS) downtown and South Carolina school for the Deaf and Blind in Spartanburg,SC.

Hello everybody,

I dont see a city of Columbus's downtown picture. I want someone to put a picture on city of Columbus (MS) downtown near the future. also WCBI TV 4's new and old picture in Columbus,MS. also I want someone to write about my old school South Carolina school for the Deaf and Blind in Spartanburg,SC some customer will read my old school's picture and story. please reply me anytime. thank you so much.

William Farr Deafblackguy 15:04, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi. We have avenues for this. See WP:RA and WP:RI --Lucid 15:09, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict)If you have a picture of Columbus yourself, you're welcome to upload it and add it to the article. If not, you can add {{reqphoto}} to the article's talk page with an explanation of what you're looking for. If you're not willing to write the article on your school yourself, you can put a request for it at Requested Articles. I'm afraid asking here isn't going to get much done. Happy editing. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 15:12, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Many articles, including the Columbus, Mississippi article, have clickable geographic co-ordinates in the upper right corner. Click on the coordinates, and you get a whole list of map servers for that location, including street maps, etc. -Arch dude 15:58, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Template

Someone asked this the other day and, at the time, I knew the answer. Now, however, I can't think of it for anything. I'm looking for the template to be placed at the top of an article page when extensive work is being done one it to alert others not to edit to avoid edit conflicts. An overhaul template or something. Lara♥Love 16:08, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

{{Inuse}}? DH85868993 16:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

That's it! Thank you. Lara♥Love 16:31, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Spaces

How do I put spaces in front of a line of text? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.83.168.254 (talk • contribs) 18:09, 15 August 2007

When you put a space in front of a line of text, it shows up as a box.

example

To circumvent this, you can add   in front of the line instead of a space. That seems to work. Melsaran 16:21, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

& nbsp ; <-- That with no spaces. It's not wikicode, so you can't type it out right and have it show as code. Lara♥Love 16:32, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Nowiki tags don't work for it. Anyway, you need to add &nbsp followed by a ; (semicolon) :-) Melsaran 16:37, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

As in &nbsp; PrimeHunter 17:10, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

It works. Thanks Mel.

Medi Script

I added the information about Medi Script and I can't figure out what to do next. Where do I go from where I am at? Sorry for being an idiot I just am not exactly sure where I am in the process. Thanks. -- Themanthatknows 16:10, 15 August 2007 (UTC).

The information you added was in a test edit location rather than in Wikipedia article space. I added the information for you at Medi Script. You may want to review Credit card history. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 19:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

In hindsight, I'm not happy with my Medi Script post as the topic does not appear to have any reliable source material for it. If someone reading this want's to do the dirty deed, I won't object. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 06:12, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Confused about Creative Commons 3.0

There's a couple parts to this question. I noticed when looking at the image upload page it says images licensed with CC must be versions 2.5 or earlier. Not knowing there was something newer, I went to look at 3.0... and it looks identical to me. So the first question: What's the difference in 3.0 and why is it not compatible with Wikipedia? But then I got even more confused: I looked at the Commons (The Wiki one, not the Creative one) and saw that 3.0 IS ok there, and is right there in the default uploading options. I have never seen something that is ok there, but not on Wikipedia - would this mean images uploaded on the commons with this license could -not- be used here? Why the difference? -Goldom ‽‽‽ ⁂ 16:31, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The issue of CC-3.0 licences has only recently been resolved. See the article in this week's Wikipedia Signpost for a brief discussion of the points. Basically, CC-3.0 licenses (at least the BY and BY-SA versions) are usable on Wikimedia projects. Just add {{Cc-by-3.0}} or {{Cc-by-sa-3.0}} to the image description page for now, as the upload page has not been updated yet to reflect the policy decision. GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 18:51, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Resolved

::Thanks, makes some sense now. -Goldom ‽‽‽ ⁂ 06:11, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Viloation notice

After updating an entry, how long does it take the folks at Wikipedia to remove a "violation notice?" -- Sarahfarley (talk · contribs · logs) 16:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Your question appears to be related to the notice posted at Laurel School and may be in reference to this post. Generally, Wikipedia articles utilize reliable source information that is independent from the topic itself. Per your edit summary, the information you posted seems to be directly from the Laurel School. In other words, it seems that the information you posted is not independent from Laurel School, which is the topic of the Laurel School article. If Laurel School has not received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of Laurel School (as described at General notability guideline), someone may seek to have Laurel School deleted from Wikipedia. The school has been around since 1896, so it seems likely that the school has received press coverage in the past 100+ years. While the article may not be deleted, it may continue to have various tags posted on top of it until the article is rewritten using independent reliable source material. The article should be written using material from those press clippings and cited to those press clippings rather than from the school itself. Laurel School may have copies of their press clippings. Regarding the notice posted on the article, the article still seems to read like an advertisement. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 18:52, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Restart Numbering

I've added a line of un-numbered text. On the next line I want the numbering to continue where it left off but it starts over at one. How do you continue the numbering sequence?

You can add an indentation in the numbering, but otherwise, there is no way to start from a number other than 1. Here's an example:

# Item 1
# Item 2
# Item 3
Comment
# Item 4
# Item 5

can be changed to

# Item 1
# Item 2
# Item 3
#: Comment
# Item 4
# Item 5

The latter results in

1. Item 1
2. Item 2
3. Item 3

   Comment

4. Item 4
5. Item 5

Hope this helps. Gracenotes^T § 16:59, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

It worked. Your genius Grace. Thanks!

City seal

Not sure if this is the place for my question, but here it is: Can anyone refer me to a Wikipedian that can build a city seal from scratch, for the Danbury, Connecticut article? The current city seal has no color, so I was wondering if there is a Wikipedian that can do such a thing. AJSDA115 17:09, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Check it now. -- Kainaw^(what?) 17:49, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't see any change. AJSDA115 18:24, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Try clearing your cache. Looks to be in colour to me. GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 18:47, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Getting Photo in Wikipedia Article

How do I get the photo I uploaded into the Wikipedia Article about that issue? The article I edited is called "Sea Apple" and the photo I uploaded is of a Sea Apple. Wikipedia said the permanent URL for the photo is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Sea_Apple_at_Cannibal_Rock_Indonesia_2002.jpg&oldid=151425645

I cannot figure out how to get the photo into the article about Sea Apples.

I've added it for you to the sea apple article, in this edit. It's a bit different than normal, because that article has a taxonomy box which hides some of the image syntax. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 17:40, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

But in general Wikipedia:Images discusses how to work with images. Thanks for uploading that, by the way, it's a great photo and an attractive addition to Wikipedia. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 17:42, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

placing an article in the proper category

I submitted an article that is a non-redundant discussion of Heat Index. I believe it should be placed in the category "Atmospheric Thermodynamics" or included in the heat index article as a reference or link. How can I propose this? Doughert0 -- Doughert0 17:36, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

You edit the image page and add the code [[Category:Atmospheric thermodynamics]] to it. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 17:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Image:Heat_Index_background_and_science.pdf is an upload of a .pdf image rather than submission of an article in Wikipedia article space. The information in that .pdf document appears to be original research, which may be unusable in Wikipedia even if a public domain license is given. You may want to contact the folks at Wikipedia:WikiProject Meteorology to get a better idea of how to go about including such information in Wikipedia. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 18:27, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

curfews

are they good for teens to have?

Yes. But, what does this have to do with Wikipedia? -- Kainaw^(what?) 17:52, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps you should check out the article on curfews for pros-and-cons. If you were looking to start a debate, this ain't the place. --Max Talk (+) 17:58, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, although Wikipedia does happen to be an excellent soapbox for declaring at length that Wikipedia is not a soapbox, and then debating that point on talk pages or via dueling reverts at far greater length. When it comes to self-contradictions on Wikipedia, my current fave is: Wikipedia is not a how-to guide, which evidently we can say with a straight face while Wikipedia's own project: namespace appears to be just about the most fabulously well-developed how-to guide (as in how to build Wikipedia itself) that I can recall seeing. (What is clearly good for Wikipedia itself seems not to be so good for the other subjects we write about.) And to address the first responder, perhaps the question has to do with Wikipedia if the questioner's parents want him to stop editing on Wikipedia after 10 PM. In that case, a Wikipedia curfew is probably not good, particularly if it encourages the questioner to go out drinking instead. If there's a lesson in any of this, it's that the new big red instruction at the top of the Help desk is still easy to overlook. --Teratornis 21:18, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Who has the authority to delete edits?

Who decides whether an edit is “constructive?” Many of the Wikipedia articles are written by people who have a vested interested in an organization described by the article. The editor should be a person independent of the organization and should be someone willing to accept factually correct edits. It appears that this is not the case for Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. I submitted factually true edits. They were deleted as being non-constructive, presumably because they failed to support the spin and hype for which that Institute is infamous. -- Ebnauman 18:05, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

This recent edit is not referenced, but still remains in Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. Are there other edits to which you are referring? -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 18:17, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

This is a persistent problem in Wikipedia. It is not too hard for even 2 people to corner an article and start writing biased material or deleting (called reverting in wikipedia terminology) material that they don't like.

It is tempting to create new accounts so that you can appear to be 2 or more people (editors). Don't do it. There are dispute resolution tools, such as RFC (request for comment) and mediation. However, this can be frustrating because the biased editors can be potentially very aggressive. Good luck! Let me know what's so bad about the RPI article and I'll look into it. In college, there was a grad student that supervised a lab and he went to RPI. Other than that, I don't know anything about RPI. Specialjane 03:10, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I just wanted to say that the above poster added a somewhat unbelievable statement. I did a lot of research and found it had some truth behind it. The numbers on the IRS forms are complicated by the fact that RPI has a graduate center in Hartford, and we are not sure if those students are included. The net result of all this was I moved his statement down (for better flow), gave an exact statistic, and added a source. Still he continues to add his original statement [1], an act I consider vandalism at this point, because he ignored most of my talk page comments. Danski14^(talk) 13:59, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Image copyright status question

I'm confused and can't seem to answer this question on my own. So, I own a DVD copy of the Concert for George and don't understand whether or not I'm allowed to upload a single frame from the DVD to illustrate our Sam Brown (musician) article. Having been criticized before for copyvio, I'm trying to do it right this time. Thanks for your patience, - hydnjo talk 19:17, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Owning a movie does not give you copyright ownership. It is actually very simple. If you took the picture of Sam Brown with your camera, then you own the copyright and you can upload the picture. Note that taking a picture of Sam Brown means that you are taking a picture of him - not taking a picture of a movie with him in it or taking a picture of a photo of him. -- Kainaw^(what?) 19:26, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

You can use a screenshot in the Sam Brown article if you're talking specifically about that performance or its release on DVD. The screenshot can't be used in a Sam Brown infobox per WP:FU. I think of it as layers. The screenshot is taken from the DVD which happens to have the image of Sam Brown in it. The DVD would be the top most layer and its justification for use is easily stated. The second layer would be the fact that a person is in the screenshot of that DVD. Therefore there has to be more justification for its use. So you can't use the image to just show what Sam Brown looks like since the screenshot is primarily about the DVD. In any case, the license that you're probably looking for would be {{Non-free film screenshot}}. Dismas|^(talk) 19:36, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, I think I understand those concepts. How about an image copied from this site which claims to be "The official Sam Brown Information Service" and from which I have an email stating that there is no objection to the WP publication of a particular image (he only wished that it be renamed to something "warmer"). There are lots of images to be found by Googling around but most seem to have their genesis from Sam's website. - hydnjo talk 19:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

It seems from the above that I can include a screenshot image of Sam Brown performing that piece from the Concert for George if it's used in the Horse To The Water article so long as the image is her actually performing that piece. OK? - hydnjo talk 20:38, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Probably, but make sure that you include a fair use rationale on the image page that explains that. As to your previous question, it's nice if you have a letter allowing use on Wikipedia, but it's still not the ideal situation, because Wikipedia's license allows other people to copy and host the content for both non-commercial and commercial purposes, and a letter saying "It's allowed on Wikipedia" doesn't necessarily cover the required freedom. See Template:Withpermission for a bit more information. If you could ask really nicely, and somehow convince them to release the photo under one of the free licenses listed here, it would be absolutely awesome (but unfortunately quite unlikely). Confusing Manifestation 22:33, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks ConMan, I'll have to go back and review the precise language of the permission as you have suggested. I think that sometimes the hoops that the permission holder is required to "submit" to scares some of the less knowledgeable. We'll see what we can do. Thanks for aiming us in the right direction. - hydnjo talk 23:29, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Pronuciation Guide

I am always on a quest to learn new words. But I dont see audio files on how to pronounce new words/ phrases that I am not familiar with. Am I missing something?

You should probably be looking at Wiktionary for something like that. -- Kesh 20:49, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Formatting question

Hey, does anyone know how to make two or more collumns when it's not for the reference list? -Theanphibian ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:07, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

The easiest way would be to use a table with two columns and a border size of zero. See Help:Table for the wikimarkup syntax, or just knock one up in html and others'll eventually come around and convert it. GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 20:57, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

You can also use the {{top}}, {{mid}}, and {{bottom}} templates. See: GPSBabel#File formats supported for an example. --Teratornis 21:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

"Solbourne Computer" Entry

Hello,

My name is Bruce Andreu, and I work in the marketing department at Solbourne. The entry for my company is extremely out of date. I tried to update the information in entry but, all the information that I posted was deleted. At the very least I would like to have the entry for Solbourne to read

"Solbourne provides enterprise solutions based on Oracle Fusion Middleware technology and Oracle’s E-Business Suite and PeopleSoft Enterprise applications. Our goal is to help our customers realize the full benefit of their investment in Oracle technology. Solbourne’s 15 years of success, depth of experience and commitment to customer success have established us as a leader in the Oracle community."

This came directly from our website www.solbourne.com.

Could someone please follow up with me at [email address removed]

Thank you,

Bruce Andreu

Hi! I'm sorry, but all Wikipedia articles have to be written from a neutral point of view, and what you said above does not fall into that category. If you can rephrase it to be from a neutral point of view, that's fine. :-) Stwalkerster talk 21:13, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, taking text directly from a website would be a copyright issue - all text on Wikipedia has to be freely licensed. If the information in the article is indeed out-of-date, the best way to deal with it (given that you're directly involved with the company, and so have a conflict of interest) is to propose your changes on the article's talk page, and get other, non-involved editors to discuss the possible changes and come to a consensus. It's probably also worth reading our Business' FAQ to get an understanding of the relationship between Wikipedia and companies with articles. Confusing Manifestation 22:27, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia as a corpus

Hello, I'm a natural language processing researcher and I'd like to use wikipedia as a corpus. This means I need a copy of wikipedia in plain text (not html or wikitext). I imagine someone has tried to do this before and I was wondering if you guys knew of an existing copy formatted like this or a script which would convert articles to this state. Also, if nothing like this exists where could I post my script when I finish writing it so others could use it. Thanks! Cmouse 22:01, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

You might be looking for the database dumps. There are also some links to parser-scripts, which may be a useful starting point (I hope you have a bit of computing power to throw at the problem). If you get a useful script from it, I suspect a good place to link to it would also be on that page. --Pekaje 00:57, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Also see these entries from the Editor's index:

• Academic studies:
  • Wikipedia:Wikipedia in academic studies
  • Wikipedia:Researching Wikipedia
  • Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikidemia
  • "Talk Before You Type: Coordination in Wikipedia", 2007 research paper based on October 2005 database

Wikipedia is a popular environment for research, because it is a massive data source all ready for download. No need to go sailing off to the third world and brave leeches, hostile natives, tropical diseases, and so on to collect data. --Teratornis 01:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Also see TomeRaider, which seems to be some sort of text reader (I have not tried it). You can download Wikipedia in TomeRaider format. --Teratornis 01:42, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm an NLP researcher as well; I've recently become involved in using web as corpus. I'd like to know how you get on using Wikipedia, and if you publish any papers. One guy I know who is (or was) also interested in this idea is Simon Overell of the Open University, in UK: http://kmi.open.ac.uk/seminars/index.cfm/event/923/. Best wishes Frankieparley 10:58, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Form v. substance in "Stagflation" [RE: notes to me from "eep"

Stagflation and its implications shortly will touch this entire planet. Over the spring through a series of edits your article of stagflation finally came to represent the true nature of the crippling aspects of this economic disease.

Going into summer in the section regarding "Stagflation worries in the present," I began making semi-monthly updates regarding events seen worldwide in the economic arena, and with each I provided the logic which linked the thought to stagflation worries.

"Eep" stepped in with warning after warning, and throughout, no attention was given to the cites which I began to provide -- just threats to removing content as if I had made no clear refences to sources.

I have made no additions for some time, yet as anyone who reads economic news now knows, a "Perfect Storm" of economic events is building which is playing out most obviously in the decline in equity prices, all because of something which only economists truly understand.

With "eep" riding herb at Stagflation, I continue to hesitate to make entries.

This is now in your hands, for I am content even though much content could be added which would make Wiki more useful to those who seek to understand why the foundations of our economy now seem to be sinking in the sand.

I defer to the wise ones of Wiki from here.

ExecTaxes 22:05, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Without looking directly into the dispute, from your description here it sounds like you were trying to synthesise a conclusion from multiple sources. Unfortunately, synthesis is a form of original research, which isn't allowed on Wikipedia. In any case, if you want to resolve a content dispute, you should be discussing it on talk pages. Confusing Manifestation 22:23, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Making a page

How do i make a page about somebody that is not already on here —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jonathon.Cwynar (talk • contribs) 09:13, 16 August 2007.

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. Confusing Manifestation 22:21, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Requested page was misspelling

I was creating a requested page, but I then realized it was a misspelling. What should I do?N734LQ 23:35, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Move it to the right spelling with the "move" tab at top. If the resulting redirect is a likely misspelling then add {{R from misspelling}} after the redirect code on the same line, otherwise tag it with {{Db-redirtypo}}. PrimeHunter 00:38, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

If you refer to Glynnwood, Ohio, then I see the spelling Glynwood, Ohio already has an article which more content. In that case, just replace the content of Glynnwood, Ohio with #REDIRECT [[Glynwood, Ohio]] {{R from misspelling}}. PrimeHunter 00:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

American Engineers' Council for Professional Development

Foreign text appears after the external links in the article American Engineers' Council for Professional Development. I never edited it into the article and neither did anyone else. In the edit mode the strange text does not appear. Does anyone know the cause of this strange phenomenon?

(BTW the foreign insertion talks about the Fiber Optic Association, a topic completely unrelated to the article). Dr.K. 23:48, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Upon further examination I found that the strange text is generated by the template {{prof-assoc-stub}}. Someone must have tampered with it. Dr.K. 23:54, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

I reverted the edits and the template now functions as intended. Dr.K. 00:00, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

You may wish to see: Wikipedia:High-risk templates. If the {{prof-assoc-stub}} template is identifiable as being at high risk for vandalism, you can request to have it protected. Note: while we are not supposed to edit other people's text on a talk page (the Help desk is not technically a talk page, but we treat it like one), I edited your reference to {{prof-assoc-stub}} slightly to make it stop being an incorrect red link. --Teratornis 01:37, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the advice and for the cosmetic change. In this case, from the content, (even though wrongly added), it appears to be a mistake. If it repeats your idea should be pursued. Thanks again and take care. Dr.K. 05:09, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

August 16

How do I start a page?

How do I start my own Wikipedia page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Phanson55 (talk • contribs).

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter 01:04, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Type in the title of the page you want to create. There will be read link saying "You can create this page." Click on it, add your content, and press save. Recurring dreams 11:30, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Amending comments in an article's history

Hi! I recently reverted some vandalism to the R. Kelly article, but when adding a comment about my edit, I erroneously accused Lucas.tej of adding the vandalism; this comment is now visible in the history for that article. I can't see a way to correct this comment. The next best thing I can think to do is make a trivial edit to the article, and comment there that the previous comment is to be ignored? Not sure what to do. In the mean time, I've added an apology to Lucas.tej's talk page. -Kfor 00:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, making a dummy edit is a useful way to say something important in an edit summary. Edit summaries cannot be edited. Edits can be removed from the history by a few people in special cases but this is far from qualifying for that. PrimeHunter 00:52, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Dummy edit made, should be settled now. Thanks for the response! -Kfor 17:01, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Can I change the name of a page?

I finished creating a small article for a new development company that has just announced their first game. The company is "Blazing Lizard" and I foolishly created the page name just as it is. It's a generic name and I have no idea what the process could be to change it to something such as "Blazing Lizard, Inc."...much like what was done with Volition. Is there a process that I can follow to help try and fix this?Voracious Reader 01:47, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

See WP:MOVE. However, my first guess would be that Blazing Lizard is an OK title because it is not likely to be the title of an article about anything else (as the word volition would be). Of course my first guess could be wrong. But if nobody is screaming at you to rename the page, I'd leave it as is for now and see if it survives the initial high-risk period for infant mortality for new articles here. --Teratornis 01:52, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Images needed?

I've been editing here for a while now, but I have a question: Does a GA or FA need images? I'm certain I've seen something saying that they don't somewhere, but I can't remember where. Most of the images for the article I'm editing are copyrighted and I can't find free images (I've checked commons), so am at a loss as to what to do. If articles need images, then it's never going to make GA or FA status. Please help... Cheers, Spawn Man 02:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Good and featured articles should have images where possible. The articles may contain non-free images, when necessary. --Sopoforic 03:00, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Check out Good article criteria and Featured article criteria. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 05:50, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Help with ref tag

I just learned ref for the first time, and I don't see why it isn't working on just this one page. [[2]] It seems like I'm using it the same way as elsewhere. The number shows, but not the footnote below. -- Minivet 02:49, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I've fixed it. You need to add a references section containing {{reflist}} or <references/> in order to tell the software where to place the references. --Sopoforic 02:58, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

use of the references / seems to be preferred by many. Clicking "edit this page" and seeing the source code is an easy way to learn (particularly if you study the longer articles). Specialjane 03:18, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

libel and possibly hurtful material about third party at wikiFinland

I recently edited one English article (Spacepol) and then wrote three new ones about the company and its founder in Finnish Wikipedia. There was deserved criticism of sources I provided temporarily and about lack of sources, which I was planning to take care of. However, when they set up a delete vote and comments started pouring in the resulting content in these discussions was seriously libelous, assuming without fact that the person I wrote about had written the articles about himself, that he had feigned his credentials and that the company/founder were basically dishonest and irresponsible (all without any credible sources and just assumed). So I am fearing a lawsuit for something that was never my intention and can't get the Finns to do anything about the libelous content which is against Wikipedia's basic policies on such, including living persons. The users involved also started sending unsolicited e-mail queries to the company's partners (original research, bothersome) and others have also commented about personal attacks on the person the articles are written about. Also the Finnish Wikipedia does not properly control these discussions or expunge them afterward in accordance with Jimbo's and others recommendations. They archive them indefinitely. The English article is "Spacepol", the Finnish ones (also their discussion and deletion votes) are "spacepol", "Gunnar K. A. Njålsson" and "Njålsson - suku". As I say the Finns have not intervened even in the most libelous and unresponsible comments and it is clear that those who visit the page and then vote are strongly influenced by what has been said earlier in the discussion (the libel material)! This is very serious! ~~hans~~ -- 88.114.56.7 (talk · contribs · logs) 03:06, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

English Wikipedia does not have control over the Finnish Wikipedia. The community there does. If they're endorsing activity that violates m:Foundation issues, then you could take the discussion to Meta, but there's not a lot we can do here. ~Kylu (u|t) 03:17, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Spacepol is listed at AfD. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 05:45, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

new article

how do you make a new article over something thats not even registered here? --Zuki2love 04:09, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean. Singularity 04:12, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

You can simply put the term in, and click the red "create page" link, Should be easy, but if you need assistance, do not hesitate to post a note on my talk page. Hope I can helpN734LQ 03:23, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

See Help:Starting a new page. You'll probably also want to read Wikipedia:Your first article. --Sopoforic 04:14, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Add content in Wikipedia

Help me in adding the content in wikimapia. I want to add some informations in wikimapia and I'm unable to get the link to add. I'm very new in this and hence need your help and assistance in adding the contents.

Thanks. Sanjay Sharma

I'm not sure if I understand your question completely. If you are looking to add something to Wikimapia, you will need to seek help there. This help desk is for questions about the use of Wikipedia. I would suggest going to wikimapia.org, hovering over "Wikimapia" in the top-left corner, and selecting "Wikimapia FAQ". If you need more help, the reference desk may be able to help.

If you are looking to add content to Wikipedia, then take a look at Help:Starting a new page and Wikipedia:Your first article. --Nick—^Contact/_Contribs 07:26, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Deleting an article entry by an IP.

Hi, is it possible to delete a given article version changed by an IP (in this case, myself logging in from work and not wanting to have an eternally trace to my workplace) and the editing history for this certain IP? ArtiPenna 07:38, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, under the terms of the GFDL (Wikipedia is licensed under its terms), all edits must be attributed to their contributors. As such, the contribution history of an IP cannot be edited. --Nick—^Contact/_Contribs 07:42, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, the diff could be deleted, yes. The editing history can only be deleted if all of the individual edits are deleted, but that will probably not be done unless they are vandalism. However, unless there is a way to trace the IP to you, there is no need to remove it. i ^said 07:43, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Could then the mention of the IP from this single edit be replaced with my regular nick, so the IP isnt visible any more? The IP can certainly be traced back to me, and to my other entries with my usual nickname, if my employer would stumble upon it. The IP could be reported to my employer by the other participants of this... well, flamewar. (The entry in question is actually not part of an article, and this not necesserily copyrightable, so that the GFDL would hinder its renaming or removal, but a single revert from an Afd discussion.) ArtiPenna 07:54, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Regarding the editing history of the IP, not _all_ entries should be removed, but only a single one which can be traced back to me and my edit, which was an single revert without a copyrightable contribution. But the IP can easily be linked to the nickname, under which numerous other entries have been done, which is what I would like to prevent, if any of the participants from this flamewar decides to do so. ArtiPenna 08:00, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I guess only an administrator can tell you that then. They can delete individual edits, but will usually only do so if there is no GFDL consequence, and there is cause to. Without knowing what edit you're referring to, I cannot say. So you'll have to get an admins input. i ^said 08:07, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Would you like me to see if it can be done? You can email the link to Prodego@gmail.com, or through Special:Emailuser/Prodego. Prodego ^talk 22:44, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

To have the IP deleted, try Wikipedia:Requests for oversight. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 06:56, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

scanner for wikipedia

Dear Sir, or Madam, We read in today's paper there is a scanner process to see who has altered references(publicity about CIA and R.C. church)etc.

How can we we have access to this "Wikipedia scanner"(scanning)results? Thanks, in anticipation of your response,hjkl

16August2007

I don't really understand the question, as far as I am aware there is no "wikipedia scanner" but if you are looking for the information on who has edited an page on wikipedia, click on the history tab.--Kerotan^Talk Have a nice day :) 08:43, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Is this related? x42bn6 Talk Mess 10:39, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia Scanner. The scanner website is here: [3]. Recurring dreams 11:26, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

"...in a signal of how tempting it can be for interested parties to amend articles, Jimmy Wales, the Wikipedia founder, himself ran into controversy in 2005, when he admitted editing his own Wikipedia entry. " MarkinBoston 15:54, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

when signing my name

Something is wrong. When I type the 4 tildes Oidia 12:26, 16 August 2007 (UTC) to sign my name, my name doesn't become a link to my user page. Is there is way to fix it? Oidia 12:26, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

You probably have 'raw signature' in your preferences checked. Uncheck it and things should work. --Sopoforic 12:30, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Oidia (talk) 03:28, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Article history split/incomplete page move

When a user correctly changed Ingrid Hoffman to Ingrid Hoffmann because of a spelling mistake, they did not use the Move command and so the former article's history was left behind. Would it be possible to merge the histories and complete the move? There is also now a blank talk page at Talk:Ingrid Hoffman. María (críticame) 12:42, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

It requires an administrator. You can make a request at Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen. PrimeHunter 13:06, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks! María (críticame) 13:17, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

R.W. Norton Art Gallery

Dear Sir/Madame,

The R.W. Norton Art Gallery is located in Shreveport, LA. The Art Gallery is a non-profit with a mission to enhance the knowledge of Western and European Art to the Shreveport, Louisana and surrounding areas.

I am the I.T. director for the facility, I need to inquire about being able to hook into Wikipedia's database from the Gallery's database, which employs a dynamic linking system for like search words or terms.

Sincerely,

Keyvan Shahrdar, I.T. Director R.W. Norton Art Gallery 318-865-4202 Ext. 116 keyvan@rwnaf.org

I'm not sure what you mean by "hook into Wikipedia's database." You may wish to read:

• Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks
• WP:DUMP
• Wikipedia:Wikipedia in academic studies
• Wikipedia:Researching Wikipedia
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikidemia
• User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia#Que - information about querying Wikipedia's database

to see if any of those pages address whatever you have in mind. If those pages do not help, you could ask us again and be more specific about what you want to do. --Teratornis 17:47, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Company to contact to improve articles

i wish to update and improve an entry on wikipedia as i consider it an excellent site. however, i am not at all technically orientated! do you know anyone or any company who you can suggest i contact who can program wikipedia entry for me if i give them the source material? Ray -- 217.150.126.35 (talk · contribs · logs) 13:25, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

There are no companies that write Wikipedia articles. Try posting a request at WP:RA. Lara♥Love 14:49, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

If you've got sources for improving a specific article, try posting them on the article's talk page. If it's a quieter article, you may also want to see if the talk page has a banner for any WikiProject that might be able to help you. Confusing Manifestation 22:47, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

How to download videoes (example, anime videoes that are uploaded.)

i want to download detective conan episodes, but i have no idea how. i tried to look for it for at least an hour , and i have no luck. how can i download an uploaded video?

Hi! Sorry, but as far as I am aware, there are no videos on Wikipedia, especially Detective Conan episodes, as that would be a copyright violation. If you are not referring to Wikipedia, then please note this is the place to ask questions about using Wikipedia. :-) Stwalkerster talk 14:21, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello. Is it possible then that you have links to stream videos?

or videos the site already has, that can be streamed?

We can only offer freely licensed videos for download or streaming, and it is against policy to link to videos which violate copyright. There are some freely licensed videos which we offer here, but they are not likely to be of interest to you. --Sopoforic 14:40, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Copyright

I know it is considered copyrighting to copy info from another website and put it on Wikipedia, but what if the info is translated into another language before being put on Wikipedia? AJSDA115 14:45, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

You still have to quote the text and attribute it to the source. Lara♥Love 14:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

So as long as I cite my sources, is it ok? AJSDA115 15:12, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

As I unederstand it, a direct translation of a copyrighted work is subject to the copyright of the original work. You may use the resulting translation only in the ways that you would be allowed to use the original work. For example, you may use a brief quote in a article about the work. You cannot in in general use a long direct translation of a copyrighted work unless you have permission of the copyright holder. -Arch dude 16:37, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Template help

I am trying to update the Template:Soccerbase (manager) template to include an accessdate= parameter. i think it needs to be overhauled to try and include this and use the #if syntax. Can anyone help me with this? I have attempted to do it at User:Woodym555/Aston Villa Sandbox but think it is a bit of a failure at the moment. Thanks. Woodym555 14:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Deleting uploads

how to delete an upload?—Preceding unsigned comment added by ArchivalMethods (talk • contribs)

You can add the template {{db-author}} to the image page, and an administrator will come around to delete it shortly. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 15:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

If you are talking about an image, :File:Family Photo.pdf, you can put a {{db-noimage}} tag on it if you think it is an empty or corrupted image. If not the image will be deleted eventually due to its lack of a license tag. Hope this helps Woodym555 17:20, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

Would an admin move Rational emotive behavior therapy to Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy? Sethie 16:25, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Done. Next time, you might use Wikipedia:Requested moves. :) PeaceNT 16:43, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

By the way, since you are logged in, you can also move it yourself, per instructions at WP:MOVE. You don't need to be an admin.--Max Talk (+) 22:13, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

In this case there was a redirect at the target and an admin was needed to delete it first. PeaceNT is an admin and pointed to the recommended place for requested moves. PrimeHunter 22:56, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

By the way, the article has moved in a circle: Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy to Rational-emotive therapy to Rational emotive behavior therapy and back to Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy. There has also been an article at Rational Emotive Therapy but that was merged into the circle when it was at Rational emotive behavior therapy. Confused? PrimeHunter 23:05, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Special Signatures?

I've noticed that some Wikipedians seem to have a special signature when they sign. Half of their name leads to their userpage, while the other half leads to their talk page. How do they do this? I think it'd be useful for me to post this way, as it'd quicken up the time it'd take for someone to view my talkpage. TheInfinityZero 16:27, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey, that's because users like to customize their signatures. You need to know how to work well with the complicated code, (I cannot explain in details, as I'm totally ignorant about this) or you might request for a fancy signature at User talk:NikoSilver/Signature shop. Best, PeaceNT 16:37, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and I just found out this page: Wikipedia:How to fix your signature, probably useful. PeaceNT 16:38, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. It seems pretty complicated, but I'll fiddle around and see what I get. TheInfinityZero 17:00, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Do keep trying. It is a little complex, but there is no better way to learn than simply reading a rough guide (as referenced above) and then having a go; after all, that's the spirit of Wikipedia! Good luck! Timothy Titus ^{Talk To TT} 17:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

What kind of image license tag would I use for this?

An image of the Homeworld CD Soundtrack that comes with the Game of the Year Edition, for use here. As I just got a good digital camera and I'm new to uploading images, what kind of license tag would I use? I assume it would be fair use, but none of the Fair Use tags seem to fit (there are album covers, but this CD has no cover; it came in a white paper CD holder in the game box). —Dark•Shikari^[T] 17:05, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I would assume in this case you should just use the CD cover tag, {{Non-free album cover}}. Since it's of the CD itself, you may be able to use {{Recordingmedium}} instead, but I would double-check at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions before you do so. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:52, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, its been uploaded and added to the article. —Dark•Shikari^[T] 18:08, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Creating a page

I am having a very difficult time creating a new article. I am new to Wikipedia yet computer-literate. I created a page yesterday only to search for it today and find that it is no longer available. What am I doing wrong? Thank you in advance for your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mediapastor (talk • contribs)

According to your contributions, you wrote your content in the [4] page. Since then, dozens of other new users have overwritten your content with testing of their own. The Introduction page is not where you create new articles. Your content is still here in the page history. My quick scan of your content suggests you will have some problems when you try to create a new article. For starters, see: WP:COI and WP:PEACOCK. Be aware that Wikipedia deletes up to several articles per minute for violating various policies and guidelines. Wikipedia does have many articles about churches, but they cannot just be promotional pieces. --Teratornis 17:30, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your insight. I did read the COI and Peacock articles. Very helpful. I agree with the approach, which helps to keep Wikipedia an objective source of information. I will certainly adjust language to reflect the Peacock policy. I do however see this article as historically and factually significant. The Loma Linda University Church is the largest Seventh-day Adventist local church in North America (by membership) and has significant ties to Loma Linda University and Medical Center, well known for cutting edge work in cancer treatment with proton therapy as well as the well publicized Baby Fae baboon heart transplant in 1984. Any further insight is much appreciated!

Apologies but I am still very unclear about how to actually create new article. I followed the link to the Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Wizard-Introduction which tells me that this method is only for creators who are not registered. Again, is there a step-by-step for registered users? mediapastor

Have a look at Help:Starting a new page. --Sopoforic 01:54, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

It may be a copyight violation to use the text at The History of Loma Linda University Church. And even if you provide a free license to Wikipedia for the information in an article Loma Linda University Church, articles usually are written from reliable source material that is independent of the topic. The text from that link is not independent of Loma Linda University Church and may not meet other Wikipedia requirements. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 07:17, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Anonymous users and policies

I'm trying to bring an article up to good article status, but a couple of anonymous users are adding stuff (in good faith) which isn't referenced or if it is, done without the templates. I want to establish a good rapport with other editors but I'm not sure how to approach them. I don't want to seem officious or a wikilawyer but I want to encourage them to use the right ref tags. Any tips? Ki | jog 17:45, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

One way experienced Wikipedia users train inexperienced users is by editing articles to bring them into better compliance with the policies and guidelines. If you see an article that you can improve, just improve it, explain what you are doing in your edit summary, and if necessary, explain yourself in more detail on the article's talk page. Be sure to link to any page that describes each policy or guideline you are implementing. You don't have to lecture other users on what to do, if that makes you uncomfortable; just do it, and let them learn by studying what you did. Make sure you leave explicit clues (links) for them to follow. See: WP:CUTS and the Editor's index, so you can always look up and reference the definitive statement of every policy or guideline you follow. --Teratornis 17:57, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I should add that you can include links in your edit summaries. If you type a summary with a link, for example: "Added footnotes per WP:FOOT" in your edit summary, anyone reading the article history can easily look up the guideline page you followed and understand what you did, and why. --Teratornis 18:02, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

And while I am tacking on comments, if the problem is that you do not have and cannot find sources for some of the claims other editors are adding to the article in question, see:

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Fact and Reference Check
• Wikipedia:Unreferenced articles
• Wikipedia:WikiProject Unreferenced Article Cleanup
• User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia#Sou

--Teratornis 03:31, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks - very useful resources! Ki | jog 09:20, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Using images solely for communication on talk pages.

What is the status and policy for using screenshots from web pages, solely for the purpose of illustrating or clarifying an issue that is currently being discussed on an article talk page?

The image upload form seems to assume that image uploads are always intended for use in articles.

The following discussion page is an example of what I am talking about:

Talk:Microformat#Improving_lead_section.

Thanks for any input or guidance. dr.ef.tymac 18:39, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I see nothing relevant to this question in Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines, nor in Wikipedia talk:Talk page guidelines. I would expect that if uploading a small image to illustrate a point in a talk page discussion were a problem, someone would have written about it in Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. This is not to say that the existing guidelines already cover every possible contingency and have ceased to evolve, but I would guess that with all the talk pages and all the people uploading images, this issue would probably have come up before. Of course, I know better than to make an Argument from ignorance, so I cannot say for sure either way. --Teratornis 19:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, and as always, for your analysis. Even when you don't have a "definitive" answer, your replies are helpful nonetheless. Regards. dr.ef.tymac 05:51, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

As I understand it, if the image does not have a free license, it needs to be used in an article or it may be delete in seven days after being tagged. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 07:21, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Citing sources

I want to do a major improvement to an article to help it achieve "featured article" status. But when I'm citing down sources is it completely mandatory to know the date an internet article was published, because I'm having a hard time founding out when some were published? AJSDA115 20:03, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

No, that is not mandatory, and often the information is unpublished. But say when you have accessed the page as a source, e.g. using {{cite web}} PrimeHunter 22:49, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Edit count

Hello, I was wonderig how to view my edit count. I already know how to see my contributions but they are not numbered. Please answer on my talk page. Thanks - Pheonix^(talk) 20:07, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Answered on talk page. :-) Stwalkerster talk 20:12, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

sleeves

I would like to know how you convert a short sleeve sweter pattern into a long sleeve pattern? Thank you so much for your help. email redacted

This page is for questions about Wikipedia itself. You might want to try a Google search. -- Kesh 21:05, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Is there a policy that covers this?

This edit doesn't really seem like something that should be here but I don't know if there's a policy that covers it. Maybe WP:OR? Any thoughts? Dismas|^(talk) 20:58, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but I nominated it for deletion for being non-notable.--Max Talk (+) 21:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that but I'm still curious about the answer for my question. I know that there was a drawing on the Katie Holmes page for some time. I think that was eventually replaced by a fair use image. Dismas|^(talk) 22:15, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons is pretty strict. It doesn't mention images directly but if no reliable source has published a drawing and indicated it portrays the subject, then I think it should be removed. PrimeHunter 22:36, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

How to use your user page fully?

I've been trying to add user images, or whatever they're called, such as EN-# and so on. Where do i find all the standard user images? I bet there's hundreds of them? Ran4 21:58, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're asking. Are you talking about pictures? Or are you talking about userboxen? Such as

{{{info}}}

i ^said 22:05, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Well if you are looking for userboxes, see Wikipedia:Userboxes, and you might find Wikipedia:WikiProject User Page Help and Wikipedia:User Page Design Center of interest.--Fuhghettaboutit 22:07, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

history of page 'list of extreme weather events' is truncated

I'm trying to review older history of the page List of extreme weather events. The history is truncated at April 8th of this year. I made edits more than a year ago. Has the history been lost, or is this a correctable glitch? thanks. Anastrophe 22:05, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

That list was created on April 8, 2007 as a split off from Extreme weather (with a GFDL non-compliant edit summary, thus the problems you're experiencing). I think you'll find your edits if you search the history of that article.--Fuhghettaboutit 22:13, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I have added the origin in a dummy edit.[5] Better late than never. PrimeHunter 22:23, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

That's a really great idea, and yes, better now than never!-Fuhghettaboutit 22:27, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

thank you very much! Anastrophe 23:27, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

By the way, things like this can often be caught by looking at the relevant editor's other edits at the time. In the same minute the creator edited Extreme weather with edit summary "Moving the list to..." [6], and created List of extreme weather events with edit summary "...here" [7]. Cute, but inappropriate. Edit summaries may assume the reader has read preceding edit summaries to the same article but not to another. PrimeHunter 23:45, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

As a matter of fact that's how I found where it was split from. I went to that editor's contributions from the same day to find where he took it from.--Fuhghettaboutit 23:59, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

PD-Russia image license

The Vasily Smyslov article uses a very poor-quality image of Smyslov. So, I took that image and enhanced it, and would now like to upload the enhanced image, to replace the current image. The problem is that the original image is licensed under {{PD-Russia}} license. But I don't see that as a choice in the "Licensing" drop-down box in the image upload form. What's the right way to update this image? --noosphere 22:52, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Since the original was in the public domain, you may choose whichever license you prefer. Personally, I'd just choose {{pd-self}} and mention in the source that the original was {{PD-Russia}}. --Sopoforic 22:57, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll do that. --noosphere 23:03, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Wiki glitches

Here's the problems Logging In - After I've logged in, I'm not 'returned' to the page (I've logged in at). After I've manually returned to the page, it shows me as 'not' being signed in (yet will show me signed in at other pages & later signed in at the original page). Also my edit buttons for sections at my 'personal page/talk page' have been missing. GoodDay 23:15, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Sounds to me like a proxy or your computer is caching pages. Once you hit the page not logged in, going back will continue to show it as it was until the cache clears. -- Kainaw^(what?) 23:40, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

After I've logged in, the 'history' shows I've logged in. Could this all be linked to the fact my 'personal talk page' needs archiving? GoodDay 23:56, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Also 'visting editors' can't find my 'edit buttons for section' at my personal page, either. GoodDay 23:57, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

The WikiProject Ice Hockey August 2007 Newsletter has keywords that turn of the table of contents and section editing, which is causing that issue. --Sopoforic 00:45, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Fixed it, I've removed the Newsletter. GoodDay 01:02, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

August 17

Adding a citation

I just added a note to the H.G. Wells article that mentions Laura Ingraham calling him a fascist because he supported eugenics, and it says I need to post a citation. Can you explain to me the step-by-step proceduring for adding citations and footnotes on Wikipedia?

Chris Oakley 8:25 PM US Eastern, August 16th, 2007

See WP:CITE, WP:CITET, and WP:FOOT. --Teratornis 00:53, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Note that many intellectuals were pro-eugenics in the first half of the 20th century before the Nazis gave eugenics a bad name. See for example this remarkable "Plan for Peace" by Margaret Sanger. At the time, her comments were not nearly as shocking as they would seem today. --Teratornis 00:57, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi Chris. A few regular editors to the page felt that Ingraham didn't have the expertise on Wells, or indeed on eugenics, to make a worthwhile addition. However, a cited version of your contribution, using WP:CITET and demonstrating the process, was made and can be found here. See the talk page Talk:H. G. Wells#Darker side to Wells for the discussion. --Old Moonraker 10:58, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Signature problem

My signature no longer automatically gives a link to my talk page. I'm sure I must have done something dumb, but can't figure out what was. Any ideas? Thanks - Raymond Arritt 01:02, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

You probably have 'raw signature' checked in your preferences. If you do, you must create the link manually. Unchecking it should fix it, too. --Sopoforic 01:05, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Raymond Arritt 02:36, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Quote of the Day

Greetings. Is there a template or way to add the Quote of the Day[8] to my talkpage? Thanks for any help. Benjiboi 01:12, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it's possible to transclude across projects, and I can find no template on wikipedia which will do this. Sorry. --Sopoforic 01:51, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I'd say no, but you can have the (unofficial) Wikipedia "Motto of the Day" on your user page by adding, for example, {{motd}}. Confusing Manifestation 02:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! I'll check back in a few to see if something pops up.Benjiboi 03:18, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Does it make sense to suggest that such a thing is created? Benjiboi 03:18, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

how may I retire/quit?

I am a disgraced wikipedia editor. i wish to permanently retire my user id and not return to wikipedia. is there any protocol and/or methods that we should follow if we wish to quit? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.75.61 (talk • contribs)

Just stop logging in with the user id. -- Kainaw^(what?) 01:18, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

You can also tag your user pages with {{db-g7}} to request them to be deleted. --Haemo 01:26, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) OR add {{retired}} or {{retirement}} to your userpage or talkpage. Sorry to see you leave. SLSB talk • contrib 01:27, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

You cannot technically delete your account, because we need the them to comply with the GFDL license, but see m:Right to Vanish. Are you really disgraced, though? Wikipedia does give second chances; some former vandals have even become admins.--Max Talk (+) 02:03, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Passwords Cease to Work

I have been a regular user, and a semi-regular editor, however, my password has just ceased to work. Even when I request a new one from wikipedia, that password doesn't work, either. It's as if I have been blocked or something. Can I get some ideas on what to do?--70.157.48.193 03:19, 17 August 2007 (UTC) aka The Saxon

Are you sure you have your username correct? I can't find any userpages or contributions for User:The Saxon, User:TheSaxon, or any variation thereof. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:26, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

A reference I wrote

I wrote the entry on racing driver Johnny Mowlem in conjunction with Mowlem himself and used Media Guides from both the American Le Mans Series and the Grand American Road Racing Association for additional information. I listed those references at the bottom of the piece when I submitted it. The submission is accurate and I would like to know what other references are needed.

Lee Elder —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.116.131.89 (talk)

You should probably read through these policies and guidelines - they'll give you the information you need to resolve the current problems and avoid them in the future.

Conflict of Interest

Reliable Sources and citing them

Adding footnotes

Manual of Style (formatting, article layout))

Hope this helps. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:40, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

You are apparently User:LeeElder who created Johnny Mowlem. I don't see the mentioned references there. The only thing at the end is "Online: www.johnnymowlem.co" which I guess should have been http://www.johnnymowlem.com/. PrimeHunter 03:49, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

As a side note, that source is not acceptable as it is not a third-party source; that is, it is not separate from both Wikipedia and Johnny Mowlem. If you can find a reliable source that has no affiliation with us or him (such as a news article) that backs up your information, that would be acceptable. You should include several reliable third-party sources before including a first-party site. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:53, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Bustitution

I happened upon a link for the page titled Bustitution. It looks like a dictionary entry - is this a good article? MarkinBoston 04:01, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

A concern I have about a certain "type" of articles

Hello, my name is Yakuria 04:57, 17 August 2007 (UTC) and I have a small proposal.

A lot of online comics have been posted here but have been deleted moments after there creation date. I've seen countless people try to make an article about there comic only to be deleted. I understand that a "real" encyclopedia would not have such "self-promotion" pages. But this is online. I would like to ask first if it is possible to allow online comics to make articles. You can even make such things like this a separate part of the site, comicwiki. The community of online comics is vast and ever growing. I do know that not all people are responsible and can easily abuse such an offer. If this becomes a problem I would happily volunteer my time to edit and maintain things. If this is not possible then I would like to ask permission to make an article on my comic. It is called "Connate Permanence" It shall release in September 2007. I would then like to make a wiki article about it on March 2007.

Thank you so much for your help and concern!

Sincerely, Yakuria 04:57, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

P.S. (I am not sure if this question is in the right area. If not please move)

Wikipedia has a few non-negotiable requirements, one of which is that all article subjects need to be notable, as per Wikipedia: notability. There is also a specific guideline for online content, including webcomics, at Wikipedia:Notability (web). If the comic you wish to write an article about does not meet these requirements, the article will be deleted, and this is most likely why the web comic articles you mentioned have been deleted in the past.

Wikipedia:Not Wikipedia and Wikipedia:Alternative outlets list various sites that take material Wikipedia does not take, and one of these may be willing to take more articles on web comics. It's pretty unlikely that Wikipedia will be setting up a dedicated wiki for webcomics, because we all have our hands full with the dozens of different Wikipedias, as well as the Wikimedia Foundation's other projects. But, you could start up your own wiki if you wanted. The software that powers Wikipedia is free to use, and there are instructions at Wikibooks. Natalie 05:03, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

There is, in fact, Comixpedia, at http://www.comixpedia.org which may accept an article on your comic. I haven't looked to see if they have any kind of similar notability guidelines. Confusing Manifestation 06:47, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Autobiography of Edsel Pono

Hello, my name is Maria Mercedes, and I was trying to make a contribution towards the life of Ed Pono,under Edsel Pono, a famous inspirational speaker and an educator back in Negros Occidental. I already made before and it was considered for "deletion" with a comment of unbiased statement. I already revised some of the contents and still working for the others as I was reading his book and personal information from his friends and relatives. I would like to ask how to make this an article?

Thank you and God bless...

Maria Mercedes

Is there a template for

notifying wikipedians NOT to use the 4 seasons (spring, summer, autumn, winter) for indicating dates? A lot of articles say things like "This singer's debut album was released in the summer of 2000", using the 4 seasons for dates can be VERY confusing for people living in the other hemisphere. I would also like to remind all wikipedians NOT to use the 4 seasons for dates. Thanks. Oidia (talk) 06:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't know a template but you can write your own message with a link to WP:SEASON. PrimeHunter 15:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Top contributors to this page

Per link, the help desk has had 76,014 edits to date. Here the top contributors by number of posts:

• MacGyverMagic 2727
• Teratornis 1344
• Notinasnaid 1121
• Dismas 1008
• Lostintherush 935
• Ais523 809
• Fuhghettaboutit 742
• PrimeHunter 712
• HagermanBot 668
• Rick Block 642
• Adrian M. H. 622
• Xiner 510
• DESiegel 508
• Cherry blossom tree 489

Here are the top IP posters, sorted by IP

• 131.211.210.10 (talk · contribs · logs) 39
• 131.211.210.11 (talk · contribs · logs) 32
• 131.211.210.12 (talk · contribs · logs) 48
• 131.211.210.14 (talk · contribs · logs) 32
• 131.211.210.15 (talk · contribs · logs) 40
• 131.211.210.16 (talk · contribs · logs) 34
• 131.211.210.17 (talk · contribs · logs) 48
• 24.20.69.240 (talk · contribs · logs) 41
• 24.218.183.113 (talk · contribs · logs) 35
• 63.113.199.109 (talk · contribs · logs) 46
• 70.233.139.64 (talk · contribs · logs) 34
• 82.172.23.66 (talk · contribs · logs) 32

-- Jreferee ^(Talk) 07:42, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Nice to know. Lets hope it continues to be the same productive help desk it has been. — E ^talk_bots 07:49, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

The Help desk edit counts appear to follow a Pareto distribution, much like edit counts on Wikipedia in general. --Teratornis 14:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

How to submit an Article

We have written an article about Modern African Art but cannot see how to actually place it on Wikipedia! Every link about how to write an article goes to the very useful page "Wikipedia:Your first Article" which tells one HOW to write a good article, but not where to put it! We cannot find anywhere that gives that advice. We did click on a page called "Sandbox" where there were a number of titles about Japanese Record Covers but no indication about how we should enter our article.

Can you please advise or point me to a page that tells one how to actually submit/enter/place the article on Wikipedia

I did did register (Kiredor) & wrote a couple of paragraphs on the "Test" page yesterday and edited it with some corrections, but that seems to have vanished today. I tried to search for that entry but it does not come up on a search presumably replaced with more current entries.

Regards

Kiredor —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kiredor (talk • contribs)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. --Silver Edge 08:36, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Unable to create a thumbnailed image

Hi,

Iam unable to create a thumbnailed image using image:exmple.jpg|thumb I dont know the reason why is not happening.But when i try to display the image using image:exmple.jpg,the image is getting displayed.Can anybody please help me out???

Regards, Priya.N —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prinav (talk • contribs)

You want to use the brackets and spell/capitalize everything correctly: [[Image:Example.jpg|thumb|200px]]--Haemo 07:00, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi,

Thanks for ur response.Actually what i used is: [[Image:Example.JPG|thumb]] But it didnt work.Thats y i posted a request on helpdesk.Please do tell me solution.

Regards, priya.N —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prinav (talk • contribs)

[[Image:Example.jpg|thumb]]

Is this what you want it to look like? i ^said 07:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi,

I tried to create a thumbnailed image on the wiki page.But its not getting created rather it throwed an error.I tried [[Image:Example.JPG|thumb]].It isnt working.I tried to display the actual image which is working fine.For this i used [[Image:Example.JPG]]

Kindly somebody help me.

Regards,

Priya.N —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prinav (talk • contribs)

I believe it is because you are using [[Image:Example.JPG|thumb]] when you should be using [[Image:Example.jpg|thumb]], replacing the capital JPG with jpg. [[Image:Example.JPG|thumb|Image:Example.JPG]] [[Image:Example.jpg|thumb|Image:Example.jpg]] --Silver Edge 08:53, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes.I wanted like that only.but it is throwing some error when i try to use the same way as u did.I used tried using jpg extension also.Its also not working :( Kindly help.

Priya.N

Urticaria

The article on Urticaria regarding treatement and cause is incomplete

I'm a victim of Utricia myself and it is a rashes from hell...very very extremely torturous. Hence i really hope my piece of information will be publish to share.

I developed many sympthom similar to the cold/hot and other type of Urticaria. However later the actual caseu of my chronic Urticaria is actually identify by a doctor. It is due to parasite in my stomach from eating raw fish. My suffering duration was 1 year but was treated within 1 day by taking any parasite killing pill.

What you are asking is for your original research to be added to the article. Wikipedia does not accept original research. If you can find a verifiable and reliable source that mentions the same thing, feel free to add the information to the article yourself. -- Kainaw^(what?) 11:57, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Shrinking row height on table.

Hi,

I've been trying to reduce the table at User:Peter cohen/sandbox to make it fit onto one page. I reckon there is enough space above and below the small characters in the cells for this to be achievable, but I can't get the rows to shrink. I've been tinkering with various keywords such as height but can only get the rows to expand not shrink with it.

Any suggestions? Or is this impossible? --Peter cohen 12:39, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm a little confused about what you mean by "one page." Pages on Wikipedia can be of (almost) any length. If you mean "one screen," that would depend on the user's hardware. For example, someone reading Wikipedia on an iPhone would need a very compact table, whereas someone who can afford a large display with high vertical resolution would be able to view your table with no problem. As far as how to shrink the table rows, I'm not sure. You might be able to adjust your view of the table with something in Help:User style, but that would not affect how other people see it. You could open the Editor's index and do a Ctrl-f search for keywords such as "table", "style", "customization", "CSS", etc. Maybe you will find a solution. --Teratornis 14:49, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps he means one page when printed? Leebo ^T/C 15:06, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

You're right that I've got myself confused over pages and screens. I wanted to shrink things so that on a "normal" set-up (i.e. a typical desktop or laptop where the user doen't need large print) the table would be about a screen long.) Much over and it might lose its appeal. Thanks for the pointers.--Peter cohen 19:25, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

The row height shrinks for me if class="wikitable" is removed and border="1" selected, but the wikitable looks better. PrimeHunter 15:06, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, PrimeHunter. That's got me half way there, which is probably good enough.--Peter cohen 19:25, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Unspecific searching

This is basically my first time here, and I think I like it. I would like to hang around a bit more, get a feel for the place. I'd like to know if there is a way to search by general topic(s). Example: say I'm interested in reading about Islam, Islam vs. Christianity, Muslim life, Radical Islam, etc. When I type "Islam" in the search box, it takes me straight to a page. What I'd really like to see when I type in "Islam" is a list (or menu, whatever) of all of the topics there are that have Islam in the heading. Is there a way to do that?

Thanks in advance! --Bloodbought/Paid in Full 13:33, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

yes there is and they are called categories. At the bottom og each page there is a box called categories that shows all the categories that the article belongs too. The islam belongs to several categories, one of which is Category:Islam. HTH Theresa Knott | The otter sank 13:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Also note that if you click search on the search box rather than pressing enter or clicking go, it will produce search results even if a page exists with the name you entered. --Sopoforic 13:45, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

For detailed information about searching Wikipedia, see:

• User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia#Sea

For example, perhaps you may find that searching Wikipedia with Google works more to your liking than Wikipedia's built-in search feature. --Teratornis 13:53, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Wow, thank you so much! Fast and very helpful, I certainly appreciate it. There is a ton of formatting rules here. I hope I did this thank you comment right. --Bloodbought/Paid in Full 14:22, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

The Help desk follows the talk page guidelines, even though the Help desk is not technically a talk page (go figure). However, we understand that many people who ask questions on the Help desk are very new to Wikipedia, and we hardly expect everyone to arrive with full knowledge of the massive Wikipedia manuals. Sometimes a user's question on the Help desk is their very first edit on Wikipedia, so the Help desk volunteers may reformat the questions a little to make them fit the style of the rest of the page. You are doing a lot better than some people we have helped. Getting back to your question, you can also drill down to content by starting at WP:CONTENTS, which you can also reach from navigation | Contents to the left side of every Wikipedia page. If you want to contribute to articles about Islam, see: Wikipedia:WikiProject Islam. --Teratornis 14:38, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

how to add wikipedia button

Hello there,

I' d like to add wikipedia button to my google desktop toolbar. Could you tell me the way how to do it?

Thank you15:09, 17 August 2007 (UTC)Kulayta

That's not a common question, so I don't know. Try asking at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing. Shalom ^Hello 16:02, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Don't think this is quite what you're looking for, but if you're using Firefox, you can find a lot of search plugins at http://mycroft.mozdev.org/ – Luna Santin (talk) 17:17, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Also take a look at this. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (tαlk) 23:05, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

stains

How do you remove mustard stains from jeans?

This is a help desk for Wikipedia. You are probably looking for The Reference Desk. -- Kainaw^(what?) 16:58, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reference desk/Miscellaneous would probably be the best ref desk to use. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (tαlk) 23:11, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Incorrect image licensing?

I came across this image which appears to have been copied from here and uploaded by user BaconBreakfastPan, apparently for the sole purpose of vandalising a user's page. Now the vandalism has been reverted, the image has become orphaned. The original site's gallery page states "All content and design (c) 2004 Steve James. No reproduction or republication without written permission". I now suspect that the image's {{PD-self}} licensing is incorrect and the image should therefore be deleted - unless BaconBreakfastPan can prove he is in fact the actual creator of the work. If you agree with my analysis, how do I go about flagging the image for deletion? Astronaut 17:09, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

According to WP:IFD, you tag the image, its caption, (if it in use), and inform the uploader that the image is up for deletion. The templates and a full explantion of the three step process is found here.CindyBo^talk 20:44, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Looks like User talk:BaconBreakfastPan is just coming off of a block and also made an enquiry here at the help desk a couple of days ago [9]. Doesn't seem to have anything to do with the picture though, and the PD-Self tag does seem suspect to me as well, until the uploader can prove differently.CindyBo^talk 20:59, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Right to walk away from a project?

Along the lines of Right to Vanish, but not as severe, do I have the right to terminate my involvement in editing certain articles? More importantly, do I have the right not be bothered by other editors who wish to drag me into discussions and edit wars involving these articles?

Specifically, in light of recent events involving the fiction-related articles (proposals of mass episode deletions, warring over merges, warring over whether or nor this are notable, etc.), I have decided not to be involved with any more fiction articles. I left a note on my talk page telling other editors not to ask for my vote"help" in discussions. Is there any policy I can point to if someone insists that I'm obliged to help based on previous edits to a particular article? - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 17:29, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

There's no specific policy, but you are free to ignore their requests. A polite reminder to review the note at the top of your talk page and/or a gentle pointer to WP:CANVASS would be perfectly acceptable. If the comments being on your talk page bother you, you can archive or delete them, but this is sometimes seen as rather impolite and should be reserved for editors who persistently ignore your polite requests. We're all volunteers here, after all, and nobody can compel you to work on anything that you don't want to. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 17:53, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

(ec) I don't think there is an actual policy on it, but if anyone says you're obliged to do something like that, by all means tell them that they're wrong and ignore them (WP:DGAF). You may want to use a slightly larger banner on your talk page, until people get the hint. May I suggest {{warning}}, and then eventually scaling back to something like {{important}}. --Pekaje 17:58, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Sandbox vs Article

I just added material to the creativity page. In the sandbox it looked right. But when I saved it, the formatting went a little nutty. Why would sandbox be okay but not the actual page?WMCEREBELLUM 17:29, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

You forgot the "<" symbol on one of the "</ref>" tags. Also you should put asterisks ("*") at beginning of each line of the large list of references. Finally, the references section should go at the end of the whole article, not the end of the section. I fixed these thing for you. Welcome to Wikipedia, and happy editing. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 18:03, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorting pages by the latter part of the title

Is there any clever way to pull out the latter part of a page title for category sorting? For instance, if I had a series of pages Noun 1, Noun 2, etc (or 001, whatever), is there any way to get it to sort the 0s before the 1s, but *under* 0s and 1s rather than N? ParserFunction, perhaps? 64.126.24.11 18:13, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Use [[Category:Whatever|1, Noun]] and [[Category:Whatever|2, Noun]] - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 18:51, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Argh, I knew I was leaving some crucial piece of information out. The pagenames are sequential (about 1000 of them) and a lot of the categorization is done based on entries in a template. I think I can just use {{PAGENAME}} for the template titlebar and change the title variable in the template to a sort key. Thanks, you did help, in a way... 64.126.24.11 19:30, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

You might also want to try the {{DEFAULTSORT}} template. It automates the process and sorts correctly based on what you've described. If you can give me a link, maybe I can help. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 23:36, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Adding new links

One of the pages I have been working on has been edited by another contributor to provide a link to another article, with the comment "(article needed"). Whilst I appreciate the contributor might be thinking of creating a new article, it doesn't actually exist yet, so the link appears as a red-link. Is it not better to create the new article first, and then go round creating appropriate links to it? Astronaut 18:13, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

There are differing philosophies. Some feel that red links encourage readers to create new articles by showing that the item needs one, while others may feel that it's poor form. If a subject is indeed notable, it's probably okay to have a red link, but if someone just turns any random group of words into a red link, that's unnecessary. Leebo ^T/C 18:50, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

OK. Thank you. Your comment has prompted me to create my very first new article on Seismic shadowing. Unfortunately, I am NOT an expert in the field and it would be really useful if someone else could come and check what I have written and correct any errors. Astronaut 19:59, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

The edit toolbar icons

Does anyone know where the range of these icons are housed on wikimedia? Lifelike23 18:36, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

You can find them all on this page. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 19:02, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

help please

I am from Poland/Polska I need a polish editor or admin urgent thank! --JimmiWalese 18:57, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I suggest you try Portal talk:Poland/Poland-related Wikipedia notice board or any of the users in Category:User pl. -- Rick Block (talk) 19:46, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Adding to a Sock puppet case.

How would i go about adding a new person to an old sockpuppet case? It is an different I.P., reason being they were on vacation in another country while the old sockpuppet case was filed. However, there is good proof and many diffs to support my case. The user is active (but was blocked for 3 days today). User does not have any other accounts but the i.p. -  LaNicoya  •TALK• 20:05, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

current event

how would I add a headline to Yasser Arafat's wikipedia entry showing the recent current event: http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Yasser_Arafat_may_have_had_HIV at the top?

Thanks.

Hi! You can type

 == Title of section ==
 

to create a headline. :-) Stwalkerster talk 20:53, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

You could also add {{wikinews}} to Yasser Arafat#External links, so readers can find the Wikinews entry. PrimeHunter 22:01, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia's Budget

Hello. How are Wikipedia's donations spent on 2006? How much was spent on administration? Thanks in advance. --Mayfare 20:50, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia and some other wikis are operated by the Wikimedia Foundation. There is budget information for 2004 and 2005 at Wikimedia:Budget. I don't know about 2006. PrimeHunter 21:54, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Posts Deleted

Hello, my name is J.R. Journey and I am a radio programmer in Portsmouth, OH as well as a big fan of country artist Reba McEntire. I was online today and added some album reviews for Reba's latest albums and didn't know till I was finished that I was doing something wrong. I got a message saying it was vandalism I was doing. I don't understand why because everything I posted was factual. Is there a reason I cannot add to Reba's album reviews I do not know about? I had no intention of vandalizing anything. Sorry if I did something wrong.

A response as to why this happened would be greatly appreciated.

- J.R. Journey

(email removed)

It seems as if you've contributed a review section to Room to Breathe (Reba McEntire album) and Reba 1's. Because your contributions had no sources and were not written in a neutral Point of View WP:POV, they were removed as vandalism. Take a look at some of the guidleines for contributing to wikipedia or suggest changes on the talk page of the article. Also don't sign your contributions in articles... but do sign on talk pages, like here at the help desk. You use four tildes like this ~~~~Hope this helps.CindyBo^talk 21:25, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes actually that helps a lot. I didn't know what I was doing wrong. So as long as I don't sign the review, they are okay? They were actually written as part of our radio station's monthly newsletter. I just added them to wikipedia. The station doesn't have a website so there is no source for them really except that they were written by me. Can you explain the 'neutral point of view' to me? I still don't get that.

71.244.159.173 21:31, 17 August 2007 (UTC) J.R. Journey

No, even if you don't sign them, they may not be okay. Start with reading WP:NPOV, which explains a lot of that very important policy. Then take a look a similar articles that are WP:FA meaning featured articles, that are considered of very high quality. Reading those gives a person a good idea of what ideal articles look like. A list of musician's articles that are featured articles can be found here. Then go through the WP:Tutorial and the WP:Manual of Style.I know it's a lot to wallow through, but it's worth it.CindyBo^talk 21:44, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Your edits were not in keeping with our policies for a number of reasons, but they absolutely WERE NOT VANDALISM. Your edits to Reba 1's were removed with the edit summary "reverted good faith edits by Jrjourney. using TW" ([10]) so that editor acknowledged that your edits were in good faith. The same editor reverted your edits to Room to Breathe with the edit summary: "reverted to revision 151899538 by Brusegadi; AGF - unencyclopedia. using TW" ([11]). A little more cryptic but note that "AGF" stands for "assume good faith." Your talk page is a virginal red so no one has warned you there. Are you sure you didn't misread some of the edit summaries near yours in the article history, which were reverts of actual vandalism?--Fuhghettaboutit 21:47, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay I see now. You edited both with your logged in name and with your ip address. Context is everything, While your edits standing alone were not vandalism, repeated adding of the same material after being told they were not proper could be considered vandalism.--Fuhghettaboutit 21:51, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again ... I didn't know why my posts were being deleted and thats why I kept posting them again. And although I did post before I read the terms of use such as the 'neutral point of view' policy, I believe thats the only mistake I made.

Making mistakes is what Wikipedia is all about. The typical cycle is:

1. Edit something.
2. Oops, someone else changed it.
3. RTFM.
4. Go to step 1.

The problem with an original album review is that it is an opinion piece. See: WP:NOT#OPINION. You cannot write your own original album reviews on Wikipedia, because, obviously, different people may have many different opinions about a given album, so we cannot write about its quality as if we are writing about objective facts. However, you could cite from someone else's published review, because it would be a fact that some notable reviewer had published some statements about the album. If you want to edit original reviews of albums, check out some of the other wikis, for example see the music category on WikiIndex. --Teratornis 23:54, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I notice you said that they were from a monthly newsletter; if you wait until your newsletter is published, then you could cite the newsletter as a published source for reference, but make sure to keep an encyclopedia-style tone. Kuronue | Talk 21:43, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

what can be done?

about this image? Image:HD Logo.jpg.

I don't see an actual image there, which doesn't make me feel very good about it at all. If you have another version of the image that actually displays something and doesn't trigger the malware filter, then upload it in place of the existing image. Make sure when you do so that you add the appropriate licensing information. I'm guessing by the filename that it is supposed to be a company's logo, in which case you should label it with {{Non-free logo}} and give very clear statements about where you got the image, who the copyright belongs to, and where you intend to use it. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:02, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

It was uploaded as an Adobe Photoshop image, which is a very non-standard format and essentially useless. I took the liberty of converting it to a JPEG as the filename indicated, and rescaled it to 300px wide, in order to comply with our fair use criteria. You still need to add a fair use rationale, explaining in detail why it is allowed to be used here. That is, assuming it is a copyrighted logo, which just about every logo in existence is. --Pekaje 13:59, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Images as Background for Book Cover

This is too complicated for me. I hope you can help me. I have written a small book on my son’s testimony as a US Marine for the third time in Iraq. This is in Portuguese and it would be published in Brazil, later on it would also be published in the US. As background pictures, I was hoping to use the following pictures: WW2_IWO_JIMA_Flag_Raising (and)USMC_455 (this is the Nov.2004 in Fallujah, during Operation Phantom Fury I am confused about being able to legaly use part of those pictures on the cover and counter cover. Please Help Thank you. Sebastian. 201.53.69.71 21:16, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Image:WW2 Iwo Jima flag raising.jpg is held under copyright, so unfortunately we're not the people you need to contact about that. The picture was taken by Joe Rosenthal, so either he or the Associated Press owns the copyright to that image. You will need to contact one or both of them in order to obtain permission to use that image. (P.S. - As Mr. Rosenthal is in fact dead, you should probably contact the AP about that. Failing that, his family. DON'T ask for Joe.)

As for your other picture, I'm not sure which one you are referring to. However, if you check the image page, there should be a licensing tag that shows the copyright status. If you see a big red copyright symbol, like this one: the image is copyrighted and you must contact the owner of that copyright to obtain permission. The source of the image should be provided on the same page. Anything else should allow you to use the image without requesting permission, provided you do so within the terms of whatever license applies. For example, most free licenses require that you attribute the author of the image, and so forth. For more information, see WP:COPY. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:13, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

August 18

question about Julia Earl deletion

The article Julia Earl was deleted, for what appears to be ill-considered reasons. And the deleter, Phil Sandifer, seems to offer a snarky page suggesting that he doesn't listen to the guidelines. I've attempted (probably incorrectly) to appeal that deletion. What to do? Notfromhereeither 03:49, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

The article in question was about a non-notable person and contained nothing more than a long description of why she was fired from a non-notable job. As stated, it is a hit job and Wikipedia has no place for it. -- Kainaw^(what?) 04:35, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

The place to appeal would be Wikipedia:Deletion review. The statement that she is non-notable is somewhat contradicted by press coverage like [12] which was in the article. Kappa 04:38, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

The deletion explanation didn't say she was non-notable. (That could be debated honestly either way.) Instead, it says that it was messy -- which it clearly was not. It was verifiable, well-documented, neutral in point of view, about a person who has been much covered in the press. In any case, thanks for explaining the process to follow. (I didn't know that an article could be deleted with no process, but restoring it requires a process.)Notfromhereeither 04:42, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

You can appeal. I was just trying to warn you that it will not be reinstated. She is not notable. It doesn't matter how many articles she has in the local press. She was nothing more than a superintendent of public schools. -- Kainaw^(what?) 05:04, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Has the proper procedure been followed here? A discussion was under way on the talk page of the Julia Earl article, when someone named Phil Sandifer just outright deleted it -- again. Can he do that? Notfromhereeither 04:53, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

If you disagree that process was followed, then deletion review is the place to go. --Haemo 04:56, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

We went through deletion review already -- maybe you didn't know that. And the article was restored, and deletion review was under way -- and that's when this Sandifer user just outright deleted it. Is that really the way it works?Notfromhereeither 05:11, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

What is the protocol for editing posts on your own company?

I work in public relations for a mid-sized technology corporation. When I was searching for information today on something totally unrelated to work, I came across several articles pertaining to our company, products and our executives.

There were several glaring inaccuracies, as well as some information that was likely not posted by impartial, third-party sources. More like someone with a grudge (if it's a customer who had a bad, experience then fair enough, but I'm talking about content much more likely contributed by a competitor, former employee or a journalist with an ax to grind).

Or what if it's one side of a story? For example, a reporter writes an editorial (opinion) and someone cites it on Wikipedia. But maybe the reporter's opinion is old, or mis-represents real facts...what do we do?

What is Wikipedia's protocol in these types of scenarios? Contact Wikipedia with our requested edits, or just make them ourselves? If we make them ourselves, should we note that in the post? We don't want to be accused of manipulating this site, as our developers and employees respect the spirit of it's purpose. But nor do we believe it's in anyone's best interest to have bad info posted.

Thank you.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.102.154.196 (talk • contribs)

Our "Conflict of Interest" policy applies the most here, and generally if you feel that opinions represented are not that common or just plain wrong, it's best not to edit it yourself. You can contact Wikimedia using the "Contact Wikipedia" link on the left hand side, although there's nothing specifically wrong with editing it yourself. I highly recommend you see Wikipedia Scanner for some of the things that have happened to corporations that edit Wikipedia in ways that could seem nefarious. If you want, you can make a comment on my talk page with the changes you want to make, and I'll do them for you, if they are appropriate for wikipedia --Lucid 04:35, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Usually companies and individuals should avoid editing articles on themselves, since it is hard to view yourself/your company neutrally. However improvements are always welcome, so fixing spelling, removing inaccuracies, and that sort of thing is ok. Removing criticism that is properly cited is not. When in doubt you can leave a note on the article's talk page asking someone else to review your proposed edit and make it if they agree. Prodego ^talk 04:36, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

mail

How can I change settings so that the picture of the day that I receive daily is shown as a picture in the mail, and not as a link? Thank you

Can you tell us where you see these settings? I don't see anything in Wikipedia:Picture of the day about receiving a picture in the mail, and if nobody else chimes in with the answer, that would mean the other Help desk volunteers aren't familiar with this feature (most questions on the Help desk tend to get an answer quickly if they are going to get any answer at all). If you can give us a link to the page where you asked to receive the picture of the day, perhaps someone can investigate and help you. --Teratornis 13:38, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Is it okay to start an list article if you don't have much to put in it?

I have an article I would like to start, a list, but I don't have much infomation to put in it. Is it okay to start it and let people fill it? Or should I have more info to start? Dragosian 07:54, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Try to have as much content as possible, but it doesn't matter if it's not complete. Be bold and go for it. Recurring dreams 08:16, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Your article may be deleted. Be bold if you like, but boldness alone is no guarantee that your article will "stick." If you need time to work on your article, before throwing it to the tender mercies of the Deletionists, you could start it first as a user subpage, for example: User:Dragosian/My list or whatever. If you do start a user subpage, do yourself a favor and make a link to it from your user page, so you don't lose track of your subpage. --Teratornis 13:43, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

How to provide a page outline (via template?) so that article contributors can fill in details between preset paragraph headings in the article ?

Hi there -

reviewed the template FAQs and fiddled quite a bit with templates (on my private mediawiki installation) but I seem to be missing a point - thus thought I dare ask the Wiki pros over here for some guidance.

What I try to do is to provide information about some historical persons (one person per wiki page) - following a standardized outline with detail paragraph texts in between povided by additional, other contributors. (The question is less if such information would make sense in the general Wikipedia - I can do it on my private wiki first - it's about how to accomplish this with the Wiki [template?] technology.)

Now of course I'd like the people who contribute to adhere to the rather strict outline of the article - thus I had hoped I could set up the outline as a template.

Upon generation of a new page (per person in the directory) the contributor would simply fill in the details BETWEEN the paragraph headings as set in the 'template'. That way I could still change/consolidate the paragraph headings at a later point without having to go through all individual pages. (Or add additional headings for additional paragraphs to be filled in for each entry, for that matter.)

Not sure if made my requirement clear enough.

In fiddling with the templates I came across the problem that while I can of course have a template included in an acticle it's kind of tricky (impossible?) to set it up as such that the individual contributor could write the detail text in between the (template preset) paragraph headings.

To that end it seems I would have to enter a template for EACH paragraph heading - but I'm sure there must be a better way?

Any hints appreciated (I'm quite a newbie to the Wiki technology from Germany).

Many thanks in advance.

84.174.112.155 09:39, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

If your personal wiki (and "wiki" should not be capitalized as it is not a proper noun here, to distinguish from a particular wiki called WikiWikiWeb) runs on the MediaWiki software, you can use template substitution to insert boilerplate text from your template into an article, such that henceforth other users may edit between the headings you inserted. However, once you substitute your template into an article, there is nothing to stop users from editing or rearranging your headings, and if you update your template to change your heading layout, your changes will not propagate to articles that substituted text from an earlier revision of your template. For more on templates, see:

• User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia#Tem

Also note that the Help desk is for questions about using Wikipedia. For your future questions about MediaWiki, please use mw:Project:Support desk. Personally, I don't care, if I know the answer to an unanswered question on the Help desk, I try to answer it when I see it, but those are the rules. --Teratornis 13:24, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I should point out that template substitution is in contrast to template transclusion, which you would soon learn by reading the links I gave above. --Teratornis 13:27, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Many Thanks for the links - I'll take a look.

As for your comment

"Also note that the Help desk is for questions about using Wikipedia. For your future questions about MediaWiki, please use mw:Project:Support desk"

Well yes, I understand (and you'll see that my question is posted there, too - with no reply as of yet). However, as my question seemed like a GENERAL question on how to use templates in Wikipedia, after all, I assumed (after some consideration, indeed) that it might be appropriate to post it over here. (I assumed much more visibility here due to probably much higher traffic on this general Wikipedia help page). I still hope that my reasoning was appropriate - and yes, I do appreciate the quick response.

84.174.100.96 14:01, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Your reasoning was plausible, but we have a precedent here of directing MediaWiki-specific questions to mw:Project:Support desk (what, you did not read the entire Help desk archive before posting? - yes, I am joking, no one could expect you to read all that stuff). Since Wikipedia runs on the MediaWiki software, many if not most questions about MediaWiki could somehow relate to Wikipedia, and then the Wikipedia Help desk could end up absorbing questions about the thousands of other MediaWiki wikis in the world. However, the big red instructions at the top of this Help desk page say the Help desk is for questions about using Wikipedia. A question that is really about using another wiki is not a question about using Wikipedia, which is to say the big red instruction is narrowly defined (there isn't enough room there to put up detailed hairsplitting instructions about every sort of question and which ones belong here, etc., and few people would reach such detailed instructions anyway). Even so, we try to answer all questions on the Help desk, and there is no doubt that Wikipedia's Help desk provides faster responses than many other sources of help. Everyone here is a volunteer, however, and if too many off-topic questions come to the Help desk, that might start driving away the volunteers who answer questions. The system works if we have clear rules and everyone agrees to follow the rules to the best of their knowledge. So it's no big deal that you asked a MediaWiki question on the Wikipedia Help desk, but for further questions about MediaWiki you should use mw:Project:Support desk. You may also wish to create an account so you can make a section of useful links on your user page. The links I put on my section let me look up answers to many of the same kinds of questions you will have as you learn to be a MediaWiki administrator. In particular, see my links for searching the Help desk archive, and the various MediaWiki sites. MediaWiki demands a long process of RTFM. Have you read the MediaWiki Handbook? --Teratornis 19:04, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

>>> Have you read the MediaWiki Handbook?

Well, I did review the Help:Template entry in the EDIT section (and repeat this now) - but did not really find the answer I was looking for. I will - as you suggested - continue the discussion at mw:Project:Support desk. However, it seems to me that my above stated request is in fact not easily - if at all - being resolved in Wikipedia editing (or any other Mediawiki installation for that matter).

I reviewed the template substitution and template transclusion sections you suggested and found that this about corresponds (without me knowing the terms) to what I had assumed as my initial approach that I referenced above: namely creating the articles from an initial template (for the outline) via substitution (as the first step). That would substitute the paragraph headings (as outline) into that article, allowing those then (in a second step, as they are 'transclused') to be amended later for all articles by editing the respective paragraph heading template.

However (and this was my initial concern prompting my support request) this does not allow for later (i.e. 'after the article creation fact') adding additional paragraph headings into all existing articles (while it would work for articles created after the additional paragraph headings are added to the outline template which is substituted into the articles upon creation).

It seems to me - but I had hoped that I am mistaken - that this is due to a general design issue (or rather, symptomatic challenge); I guess it is because my requirement basically requests the final article to be made of (intervowen) parts which for one come from a template (the outline = paragraph headings) but for the other are added manually per individual articles in between the stuff from the template/s - something which is not easily achieved via a scriping/parsing appproach.

Thanks for the help so far - sure hope I will also get a follow up over there at mw:Project:Support desk

84.174.100.96 21:25, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Movie Uruvangal Maralam

Could you please help me to listen to the songs from the film UruvangalMaralam?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Roobym (talk • contribs).

Have you tried the miscellaneous section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here's the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps.--Fuhghettaboutit 13:01, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

jhgjh

where can i buy DSL?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.66.50.58 (talk • contribs).

Hi. This help desk is for asking questions about using Wikipedia, as stated in huge red letters at the top. Questions like this are asked at the Reference desk. In any case, many telephone companies and internet providers also provide DSL; try yours. Or you can Google "DSL" couples with your state/province/territory etc. It's not hard to find something many companies are advertizing, eager to sell.--Fuhghettaboutit 12:46, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

unreliable

I like your encyclopedia ;however I have found articles which make claims that in fact are not accurate.Meaning your content cannot be trusted 100%—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.242.12.102 (talk • contribs).

If you find a claim to be inaccurate, please fix it. Please remember, we're a work in progress - of course our content can't be blindly trusted. Nihiltres^(t.l) 12:44, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Hypothetically, all content is supposed to be verified by citation to reliable sources and written from a neutral point of view. Articles that are full of citations and well written are much more likely to be accurate. This is especially true of articles that reach featured article status which have been scrutinized by multiple editors, and to a lesser extent of good article. Check out a few of those.--Fuhghettaboutit 12:58, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

This Signpost article may be interesting:

• Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2007-04-02/Wikipedia poll#Poll finds 46% of people think Wikipedia "somewhat reliable"

In general, critical thinking demands that we do not blindly trust anything on its own. That's why scientists try to replicate their results, why police try to interview every witness to a crime, and so on. The fewer sources of information we have to support a particular claim, the more we should question it. However, the vast majority of people make important arbitrary exceptions, for example most people place blind trust in some variety of faith-based thinking. Most often, this would be in the locally-popular religion they had been indoctrinated in since childhood; many people also place blind trust in various political philosophies. Critical thinking, the opposite of faith-based thinking, has an excellent track record of building things that work (such as the computer in front of you now), but it is laborious, and the results may not be psychologically comforting when the truth turns out to be unpleasant or disappointing. --Teratornis 13:10, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Very nicely put. —Steve Summit (talk) 01:07, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Also see the Disclaimers link at the bottom of every page. --Teratornis 13:12, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Yours is a valid criticism of the Wikipedia. That may not necessarily mean, however, that the Wikipedia is not the best freely-available source of information on the Internet on some topics. 69.143.80.200 00:44, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, often the Wikipedia article on a given topic is one of the best available introductions to the subject on the World Wide Web. At least on Wikipedia we have some sort of mechanism for finding and correcting errors; on many other Web sites there is no telling what you are getting. That is why search engine sites such as Google Search are now elevating Wikipedia articles to the top of many search results. But obviously, given what the disclaimers say, nobody should take a Wikipedia article as the final word on any issue of importance (for example, if a person is going to stake a large amount of money on the information). If someone needs to make an important decision, they should research the issue carefully from multiple sources, and consider hiring a professional advisor if the issue is seriously important. Another tip: try reading some previous revisions of a Wikipedia article to see if it has undergone drastic changes, and to look for signs that the current revision may have been vandalized. --Teratornis 03:02, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Image usage

One of my pet articles, Silvertown explosion, could use some images. This in itself isn't unsurmountable: there are images of the factory before and after, and of the destruction. All well and good so far. Now, about the copyright status: these were taken in 1917, in the UK, and I presume some of them were published soon afterwards. I have no idea when these were published in the US, or even if they were available before they were put up on the internet. To confuse matters further, these images have copyright claimed on them. The pages I was hoping to use images from are: [13], [14] + linked pages, and [15].

In short: I have no idea whether these would be fair use or public domain under US law (let alone UK law), and I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me so I can upload them correctly. Abednigo 13:31, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

According to the article on Public Domain, which I assume to be reliable due to the sources provided:

In the United States, any work that was published before 1923 (in the US) is now in the Public Domain. If it was not published before 1923, then the image is held under copyright for the life of the author plus 70 years, unless of course such rights are waived.

In the UK, things are even more confusing, but it looks as though the soonest these images will become public domain is 2039, or the life of the author plus 70 years, whichever comes first.

If copyright is claimed on the images, go with that. It wouldn't hurt to contact the owner of those websites anyway just to figure out what's going on. If you're lucky, you might be able to get permission, which will make things worlds easier anyway. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:57, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Assuming the creator of these photograph is unknown, they would seem to fall into this category and thus be usable in the public domain. I think. --Cherry blossom tree 18:00, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Need to upload image but it is "overwritten by an existing image"

I need to upload an old photograph of Brigham Young, circa 1857 (a photograph of Young beardless) at Mountain Meadows massacre. But when I try to do so (namely, as [see image at right margin]

), an existing image from English Wikipedia--a painting of an older Young with a white beard--gets in the way.

(To see both pictures, go to Brigham Young and click on the image (). Below the main image is the one of the beardless Brigham Young I need to upload.) --Justmeherenow 14:29, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

If the image you want is already uploaded to Commons, you don't need to upload it here as well. The MediaWiki software will pull the image you request from Commons and display it as though it were uploaded here. Just type the image code as you have above ([[Image:Brigham Young.jpg|thumb]]) and it'll go in. If you still have to upload a different picture, just choose a different filename. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 17:48, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. (A kind Wikipedian fixed the problem by bumping out the conflicting image to free up its bad file name.) --Justmeherenow 03:44, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

i want problem on content mangement system

sir i want def of content mangement system and, what the problem that exist in content mangement systems

Look at the article on Content management or ask on our reference desk. This page is for asking questions about Wikipedia itself. -- Kesh 15:44, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Amidamaru's turkish translation

I just wanted to help developing this site in my main language, so I decided to translate the page which is about Amidamaru, but I have no idea how to publish the article, should I use 'change' option or should I make a new page to put it? Thank you.

This encyclopedia is a english encylopedia. You might want to take a look at the turkish wikipedia. You might also want to read Wikipedia:Translation. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (tαlk) 15:40, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Hatay

I would like to edit the 'peg' listed for the article on Hatay, Turkey... it is about 600 miles off target.

To help we'll probably need to know the precise title of the article to which you refer and what you mean by peg. Thanks. --Cherry blossom tree 18:02, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Fair Use Rationale

Let me ask you something...

What is the point of having this system if the images are still being deleted??? :( --WIKISCRIPPS 07 SAT AUG 18 2007 2:12 PM EDT

According to the deletion logs of some of the images you have uploaded that were deleted, the fair use rationale was deemed inadequate for the intended use. Improve the rationales, make sure that there actually is a valid reason to have the image, make sure the image is actually being used and the use is noted in the rationale, and make sure that they're low-resolution (generally around 0.1 megapixels and at most some 300-400px on the widest direction). --Pekaje 20:52, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

References

The references do not seem to be working correctly on Timeline of astronauts by nationality. I have never used that template before. Can someone sort it out? Rmhermen 18:38, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Could you be more specific as to what the problem? They looked fine to me at a cursory glance. i ^said 18:42, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

They look fine but they don't work when they are clicked. The article combines {{ref label}} with {{note}}, but {{ref label}} should be combined with {{note label}}. See Template talk:Ref#Complex. I don't know whether it's the only problem. PrimeHunter 19:39, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

How to link from Wikipedia to a Library of Congress record via ISBN

This was a tricky one - as the URL call notation of the Library of Congress is quite convoluted and usually (strangely - go check!) entails a date/timp stamp for timeout issues.

Thus I thought I share what I figured out:

In order to link from a Wikipedia article to a Library of Congress record via ISBN you need to use a link in the format of

http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v3=1&DB=local&CMD=k020+ISBN&CNT=10+records+per+page

where ISBN is the one from the book you'd like to retrieve the record of, as in following example using 0375507256 as ISBN:

http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v3=1&DB=local&CMD=k020+0375507256&CNT=10+records+per+page

Not sure if this would work for ISBN-13, too.

Also if anyone could contribute if this URL notation can be streamlined further that would be appreciated - thanks.

84.174.100.96 19:14, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps I should add that I am aware indeed of the Wikipedia internal ISBN handling, like in ISBN 0375507256.

And now, as I finally take a closer look at that page I note that the (even if slightly different) link to the Library of Congress URL via ISBN is indeed there - so I could have spared all that fiddling!

However, the question if the URL can be optimized further remains.

84.174.100.96 19:24, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Archving via Moving

I just archived my talk page by moving it to a subpage. I then removed the redirect on my talk page so it could be again. However, even though there is no redirect, any time I like to my page it goes to the moved page. I hope I didnt totally screw things up. i ^said 19:31, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I can't find a problem. Your talk page is where it ought to be, and your archive is where it ought to be. WODUP 20:15, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Using the Wikipedia logo in print media

Hello. My name is Jon Kleinow and I'm a page designer at The Kansas City Star. We're running an article about Wikipedia in the paper tomorrow and would like to use a screenshot of www.wikipedia.org with the article. Would it be possible to get permission to use the screenshot and, if so, how should we credit the image? Any replies that could be sent this afternoon (Saturday, August 18) to (email removed) would be very helpful. Thank you for your time.

We've had to remove your email for your own security, and for other security reasons we can't send replies to email addresses. However, Wikipedia and all of its content (at least, anything that will be displayed on the main page) is licensed under the GFDL, which allows for free distribution of the content. The MediaWiki software which we use is similarly licensed. The Wikipedia logo, appearing in the top left corner of this page, is copyrighted by the Wikimedia Foundation, but as you are using it in an article about Wikipedia to identify the main page, I would consider that to be appropriate fair use. For more information, please see WP:COPY. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:18, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Needs Help with User Boxes

I'm new here, and I really couldn't figure out how to make a userbox. I read the Userbox page but I couldn't understand it. Could you please help me learn how to make one?Psycho-Marth-Fangirl 20:38, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi! You might not need to make one. See the Gallery of userboxes for the one you want, if it is there. :-) Stwalkerster talk 20:57, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Awards

How can I get Image:Barnstar Chicago.png from WP:CHICAGO and Image:WikiProject Illinois Barnstar.png from WP:Illinois automated for substitutability and inclusion at Wikipedia:WikiProject awards (WP:WPPA)?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 20:59, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I can set up an awards template for you and add it to the WikiProject Awards page. Hang on... Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 21:55, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, you've got: {{subst:ChicagoBarnstar|message ~~~~}} and {{subst:IllinoisBarnstar|message ~~~~}}. For future reference, these were created by subst'ing the code from {{Award2}}. Enjoy. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:05, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:50, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Article About me removed but my name still appears

I am writing here just to make sure nobody has a problem with this issue. Somebody created an article about me, without my knowledge and it was deleted after debate, and then the deletion was reviewed (with debate). At a couple points, due to my ignorance on Wikipedia, I became amused with the idea that there was an article about me, but it really wasn't something I wished for. In any case, the debates have been causing me some problems because of the instances of my name appearing, and so I have asked for my name to be replaced by a placeholder. It would not alter the structure of the archive, nor would it prevent any reader from understanding what was said. I just prefer that the use of my name be removed. (Of course, to people who might be interested, the original including my name would remain in edit history. Despite my non-importance, this has been the subject of some discussion on User talk:Anber, User talk:JGGardiner and User talk:Atlan. The debate has gone in the direction to acquiesce to my request, however Atlan, who has shown some disapproval has agreed to join the consensus provided I post on the Help Desk which is what I am doing. Anber 22:24, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

It's not entirely clear to me, based on your talk page and what you wrote here, exactly what it is you want done. However, if it involves changing the text of an archived AFD, then I don't think that's going to happen unless you have a reason good enough for requesting oversight. That does not immediately appear to be the case. --Pekaje 23:08, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

AfDs can be, and are, courtesy blanked. I don't know if just any editor should do it, or it should be requested via OTRS. Corvus cornix 16:50, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

What to do with a placeholder account?

My registered name is "Samuel Curtis," but the actual used name since May 2007 has been "Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori" and has been reflected in the signature. Hence, I registered User:Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori as a placeholder to prevent others from impersonating myself. I have no intent to use the latter account to do anything.

In this case, how should I do on User:Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori and User:Samuel Curtis to prevent any violations of the guidelines, such as WP:SOCK?--Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori 23:17, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

I've seen this done several times before. A simple note on the user page of the placeholder account should suffice. Of course, it can't be accused of sockpuppetry if it never actually makes any edits. Raven4x4x 00:21, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

This is considered a doppelganger account. There are instructions at the linked page to explain what should be done with these accounts. It technically is a sock, but it isn't called one generally. i ^said 03:15, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

semi-protection?

I just edited the semi-protected article "eHarmony." Is the fact that I was allowed to do this a bug? 69.143.80.200

Not in the sense you probably had in mind -- looks like either somebody forgot to remove the template, when protection expired, or the template was placed in error. While it seems intuitive that the "this page has been semi-protected" notice means a page is protected, it's actually just one more template, just like any other, and it's sometimes used where it shouldn't be (or not used where it should be). Some people would prefer to change that arrangement, but that's how it works, currently. Apologies for the confusion. :) – Luna Santin (talk) 01:09, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Protection expired, but the template wasn't removed. We really need a bot that removes the protected template from articles where protection has expired. Corvus cornix 17:03, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

August 19

Deleted information

I was looking up an article on google and it gave me a link to an article in wikipedia. However, when I clicked on the link the page had been deleted. Why would this be the case, and where would I be able to retrieve the information? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shunafish (talk • contribs) 00:03:10, August 19, 2007 (UTC).

That depends quite a bit on which article you're looking for. ;) When looking at a page that's been deleted, you should be able to see it's deletion log, including the username(s) of administrators who should be able to provide more specific details, and/or a link to Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted? (which may be a helpful read, regardless of whether it was "your" page). We can probably provide a more complete answer if you give us a link to the deleted article. – Luna Santin (talk) 00:09, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

You can see the article version Google indexed by clicking "Cached" on the Google search results page. Only Wikipedia administrators can see deleted articles here at en.wikipedia.org. PrimeHunter 01:51, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Roads and Transit article

Wikipedia--

I just wrote an article entitled "Roads and Transit", which details a ballot measure that Washington state voters in Snohomish, King, and Pierce counties will be voting on this November.

My question: When I put "roads and transit" in the search field, nothing related to my article comes up. However, when I search "Roads and Transit" (with caps) the article I wrote comes up. Is there any way for the search to include no-CAPS on roads and transit?

Thank you —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zztup (talk • contribs) 00:38:06, August 19, 2007 (UTC).

I have created a redirect for you at Roads and transit. You can do that yourself in the future if you think there's a common typo, spelling variation etc. that people might use to search for or access an article. Have a look at this for more information on redirects. KTC 00:48, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Roads and Transit has not been indexed by Wikipedia search yet. When that happens it would be the first search result on "roads and transit" if there was no redirect. Note: Search doesn't work on "Roads and Transit" either at the moment. But if you click enter or "Go" in the search box then it goes directly to an article with that name if it exists, without using search. PrimeHunter 01:35, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

References / Sources

I have provided sourcesin regards to my contribution on , Siosaia Tupou (Namoa), Tu'iKanokupolu, 1830-45. I still being requested to provide references/ sources. How can I resolve this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anacrossan (talk • contribs) 00:41:08, August 19, 2007 (UTC).

Changing Page title

How do I change the page title of: "Joseph Krysiak"buffalo

The title should be: Joseph Krysiak

--Zrants 01:21, 19 August 2007 (UTC)Zrants

There should be a move button at the top of the article. If not then you have account under 4 days old. Ask someone here to move it for you if your account is no older than 4 days. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (tαlk) 01:23, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

The account is 2 hours old.[16] NickW557 has moved the article to Joseph Krysiak. PrimeHunter 01:39, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Is there a policy on shortening long URLs with TinyURL?

I've noticed that sometimes long URLs in the references section will expand the page width. I'm wondering if it's acceptable to use a TinyURL instead of allowing these long URLs to disrupt page formatting. Are there any policies or guidelines on this? --Wolf530 (talk) 01:31, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Give it a link title and the link will use the phase instead of displaying the URL - [http://www.example.com link title]. No need to worry about how long the URL is that way. KTC 01:40, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Incidentally, I believe TinyURL and similar sites all tend to be blacklisted links, due to previous abuse issues. But I believe KTC's suggestion should help you out, unless there's something I'm missing, here. – Luna Santin (talk) 01:42, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

TinyUrl is blacklist, however, if you use the proper citation template this shouldn't be a problem. --Haemo 01:43, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

TinyURL#Criticism explains why we don't use it on Wikipedia. For more about TinyURL, search the Wikipedia: namespace for it. That finds some interesting links, such as: Wikipedia:External links#Redirection sites, which says:

• URL redirection sites are not to be used. Examples of these sites include tinyurl.com and makeashorterlink.com.

--Teratornis 02:48, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks everyone. --Wolf530 (talk) 20:31, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Changing all users' default skin

If you remove/rename the default skin to something else after a MediaWiki installation already has users, how can you ensure that no one has changed their preferences since then? I see at http://www.mwusers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1000 that Rob Church believes it's possible, but he doesn't specify... -- nae'blis 02:14, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

How do I link to a page on the Japanese language Wikipedia?

I wanted to add Sagara (娑伽羅) to the disambiguation page because it doesn't sound like a Vedic king (it is in fact one of the Hachidai Ryuuou). However, I don't know much about Sagara at all (or, more importantly, I know of no reliable sources about it), so I don't think I should be the one to create the English article about it. Instead, I would like to link to the Japanese article about the Hachidai Ryuuou. The title of the article about the Ryuuou on the Japanese-language Wikipedia is "八大竜王" (I would make that a link, but I don't know how to).

I have tried to link to the Japanese page by using the full URL, but when I tried, it gave me an "エラー" (an error in Japanese that told me that I was linking from the wrong language or something to that effect).

For now I have just put in some English red links, but those are just temporary. How do I link to the page on the Japanese wikipedia from the disambiguation page for "Sagara"?

- - ジリー 03:32, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

[[:ja:八大竜王]] becomes ja:八大竜王--Silver Edge 03:37, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) To make a link to another language Wikipedia, add ":code:" to the beginning of the link, where "code" is replaced by the appropriate language code. For example, ja:メインページ will link to the Japanese Main Page. Removing the initial comma ([[ja:whatever]]) will add Japanese (or whatever language) to the "This article in other languages" link at the left side of the page.

For what you're trying to do, I would first request that the article be translated from Japanese. Once that translation is done, add [[ja:八大竜王]] to the bottom of that article if the translator didn't already. Then you should add a link to the English version of the article to the disambiguation page. Links in disambiguation pages should remain within the same language whenever possible.

For more help with inter-language links, see Help:Interwiki linking. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:45, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Contents boxes

Why do the Sydney suburban articles have no contents boxes when other ones do for example Bankstown, New South Wales does not have one, but this one does Cronulla Sand Dune System and how can this be fixed.--Ad@m.J.W.C. 05:21, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Anyone out there--Ad@m.J.W.C. 09:40, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Is there something wrong with my question--Ad@m.J.W.C. 10:31, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

No, just a limited number of people to answer. See WP:TOC for info on tables of contents. I couldn't see why one doesn't appear in the Bankstown article, but I forced one with __TOC__ under the lead paragraph. Perhaps the Village pump (technical) might have an answer for you. Cheers Kevin 10:43, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

It was caused by {{Mapit-AUS-suburbscale}} which added __NOTOC__ [17] for no apparent reason. Maybe it was only intended for the template page. I have moved it inside <noinclude>.[18] PrimeHunter 13:09, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that, I saw the changes in a couple of articles and knew that someone did something. Thanks.--Ad@m.J.W.C. 13:19, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Password forgotten ...

Hi, For a quite long time I'm trying to remind me of the password of my account (User:Simon), but in vain. Can someone of the Admins help me? I haven't written anything with the account yet. — That you don't only have an IP from me, I'm also here and there. Thanks, Simon 62.203.222.53 07:51, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Did you set an email on the account? i ^said 07:52, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

No, unfortunately not, and because of that I'm asking here ;) 62.203.222.53 10:40, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

If you really want the username back, you might try registering a new user and asking for usurping of the old one. Since there are no edits (or only deleted edits) on the account, it should be perfectly acceptable (you can also say that it was your old account that you forgot the password for, but that may not help). And then this time please remember your password, and set an email address! :-) --Pekaje 11:27, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Ah, nice. Thanks a lot :) Usually I can remember my passwords … Greetings, Simon respectively LivingShadow 12:11, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Elizabeth Bishop

I am writing an article on Elizabeth Bishop. Can I put examples of her work in the article ? Can I put a full poem or poems ?

Tovojolo 08:32, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't think you can put entire peices of work in an article, because of copyright concerns. I also don't think it's generally done to put peices in either, unless what is included is specifically notable by itself. i ^said 08:56, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

See also WP:LYRICS. PrimeHunter 12:37, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Sections on talk page

Sorry if there's a more appropriate desk for this... Would someone be able to have a look at my talk page? I've found that when I click on an [edit section] button, it goes to edit the section below it... which makes for frustrating editing. Is there any faulty coding in there? It never used to do this... Help would be appreciated :) Cheers- CattleGirl ^talk 08:36, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. It was because the {{Wikipedia:WikiProject_Alternative_music/Newsletter/July 2007}} template was placed right beside the section heading. --Silver Edge 08:54, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks :) CattleGirl ^talk 08:58, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome =D --Silver Edge 09:22, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Please restore my page. The editor was completely wrong in his reasoning for deletion, and I can prove it. My page was TOTALLY legit.

You have deleted the 'National Association of Heavy Equipment Training Schools' page from your files. The person who deleted it said that it was an advertisement from an employee with no documentation. That is simply not true. I created it awhile ago because I attended a school that belongs to that association and I felt it deserved to be in the general body of knowledge, so I created the article. I also had documentation cited - its been written about extensively and I gave newspaper links. I think maybe people with a more intimate knowledge of the Association added info to the article, but why delete my whole article? How stupid. I'm not happy that some renegade editor just threw it out. Stuff like that makes Wikipedia very unreliable and when you throw out legitimate information you defeat your whole purpose. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rhettniel (talk • contribs) 09:46:40, August 19, 2007 (UTC).

Issues with deleted articles should be taken to deletion review. Cheers Kevin 10:46, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Why was my article deleted?. National Association of Heavy Equipment Training Schools was deleted by Phil Sandifer. It should be discussed with the deleting administrator at User talk:Phil Sandifer before taking it to deletion review. PrimeHunter 12:35, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Explanation of curly brace as wikipedia markup?

Hi,

I have been searching Wikipedia unsuccessfully for a section that explains exactly how Wikipedia uses the curly brace characters { and } both singly and in pairs.

Shouldn't Wikipedia:Curly bracket make some reference to Wikipedia's editorial use of the curly brace --? Something like:

"For the use of curly braces as markup characters in Wikipedia, see Wikipedia:CurlyBraces."

--similar to the reference to Wikipedia templates at the top of Wikipedia:Template?

Any help appreciated,

Thanks,

Brad 10:39, 19 August 2007 (UTC)InBalance

You're right that there is no specific page on the stand alone use of braces but they are always used, as far as I am aware, for templates, parser functions and variables. For an explanation of those, see Wikipedia:Template namespace, m:Help:Template, m:Help:Advanced templates m:Help:Parser function and m:Help:Variable. There's a huge amount to swallow there. At its most simple, when you you want to place a template, for example template:Help me, you do so by surrounding the name in two braces {{Help me}} which displays the text of the template on any page, or you substitute it by typing {{subst:Help me}} which places the text of the template on the page. Triple braces are used for variables inside templates. I know of no use for single braces. The page you refer to is a section of our encyclopedia article on the punctuation symbol itself in the mainspace. I don't know that Mediawiki's use of braces for templates and the like is notable enough for inclusion there proper but if your suggested hatnote were to be placed, I think it should link to Wikipedia:Template namespace.--Fuhghettaboutit 13:53, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi Fuhghettaboutit, thanks for responding and for your helpful advanced tips. The underlying problem I'm having with templates is that I can't get them to expand on my private MediaWiki installation. I tested template expansion in the sandboxes on both Wikipedia vs. MediaWiki. Templates expand on Wikipedia but not on MediaWiki. Doesn't that seem absurd? I just posted this question to the Mediawiki help desk. -- Brad 19:24, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Simple from stupid.

Hello

I just wanted to add and expand request on an article,and looked on help to find the tag, but got totally caught up in stubs, templates, and tags, and found no information to assist me to edit the article to add the tag "expand".I wonder if you could assist me to find the format to do so. For example is it <expand/>? or {{expand}}. When does one use the<> notation, and when does one use {{ }}. If you could direct me to pages which will assist me to edit using correct formats in general, I would be so pleased. I did by the way, look at the how to edit page with no luck.

Hope you can help

Carol.

To add the tag, put {{expand}} into the article. Cheers Kevin 11:20, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia has lots of help pages. You have to read a lot of them to learn where to find the various bits, and that takes time and effort. I recommend getting to know this page, where you can find answers to almost every question that comes up about editing on Wikipedia:

• User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia

Several pages are relevant to your question, if you want more background information besides the (correct) answer above, including:

• WP:TEMPLATE
• Wikipedia:Transclusion
• Wikipedia:Substitution
• Help:Template
• Help:HTML in wikitext

--Teratornis 17:31, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Looking For article

Do you know where the past articles in "Did you know" goes? (I cant find an article about a certain tower in "did you know" which was the first article in "did you know" on 08/17/07) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.1.73.71 (talk) 12:52:24, August 19, 2007 (UTC)

I believe you're looking for the Did you Know? Archives, specifically the most recent one here, where it says " ...that while under construction the Lena Water Tower in Lena, Illinois had to be demolished and rebuilt because it began to crumble?" Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 12:59, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

se here--Pheonix15 13:01, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

"Evan Drake troubles"

Jester, if you've deleted pages relating to Evan Drake Savoie, can you please put them back up so people will know about his background, the planning of his kill and the trail? If you do, I'll be respecting you for years to come. I'm not a Savoie sockpuppet. The True Truth 13:02, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I think you might have meant to post that on Swatjester's talk page. He's probably not going to read that here. Also, you may want to read our deletion policies as well as the Criteria for Speedy Deletion. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 13:07, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Moving pictures to Commons

What is the best way to move my pictures to Commons without having to retype all the tags? I remember someone mentioned about some kind of third-party software to do this? I am an admin at en:wiki, so deletion of redundant images should not be a problem. --Asterion^talk 13:05, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Ta-da! See also Wikipedia:Moving images to the Commons. :-) Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 13:09, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Great, thanks! --Asterion^talk 14:21, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

broken template

Template:Infobox Egyptian Political Party is used on a number of pages - but doesn't work. And hasn't since at least Nov 2006 when a comment was left on its talk page. Can anyone sort it out? Rmhermen 13:31, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I see whats wrong with it, will fix it and tidy it up. Andy^reply 13:37, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Did a bit more work on it and it's much nicer now. Fixing it up on all the articles it's being used on now. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 15:01, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, everyone. Rmhermen 01:37, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Citing YouTube

I seem to remember having seen a cite template for YouTube, but my searches fail me. Does anyone know if this exists? Or am I losing it? Lara♥Love 13:53, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

There is, {{YouTube|id|title}}. Remember, though, that YouTube isn't generally considered a reliable source. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 13:58, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I have a clip of Pete Wentz refering to Fall Out Boy as pop-punk. That's all I need. Thanks! Lara♥Love 13:59, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

How do you put a picutre onto a certain page?

I want to put pictures of Kings Of Leon onto their member pages but I don't know how...can you help? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Catherinemunday (talk • contribs) 14:33:48, August 19, 2007 (UTC).

If they aren't already on Wikipedia's database, you'll have to upload them. To add them to an article, use [[Image:Blah.jpg|100px|Caption goes here]]. Majorly (talk) 14:39, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

But please make sure that the images are properly copyrighted. If you're not the copyright owner, follow the instructions for determining whether the images fall under fair use. Images from music videos or album covers would not be acceptable fair use for articles about the individuals. Corvus cornix 17:07, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Copyvio's

What I do about copyvio's? I've deleted the edit, and left a note to that effect on the article talk page, what else should I do? Gatoclass 19:29, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

It's advisable to let the offending editor know by leaving them a note or using a template WP:TT Andy^reply 19:34, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, since I've had a number of differences of opinion with this editor already I thought it might be best if the warning came from an admin rather than an adversary, so I contacted one. Although in retrospect, maybe I should have done it myself anyhow. Oh well, too late now, but thanks for your help. Gatoclass 20:00, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Referencing to an inteview I'm about to make?

I've started Happyslip, but I can't find enough info on the Web, so I'm considering inteviewing her via e-mail. Is it OK to ask her to license via GFDL the content of her response email? Then where do I put it, is it ok Talk/src and referencing to there in the main article? What else can I do? --Outspan 19:56, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

This sounds very much like original research (which is not allowed). What you can do is wait for reference material about her to be published in other sources. -- Rick Block (talk) 20:34, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

The article now is at AfD. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Happyslip. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 17:28, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Becoming an Administrator

How does a person become an Administrator on Wikipedia? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ICarriere (talk • contribs) 21:40:55, August 19, 2007 (UTC).

Hi there, please see WP:RFA and WP:ADMIN for more information on becoming an administrator. Andy^reply 21:44, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Also see Wikipedia:Admin coaching. The question may relate to ICarriere's talk page thread Incivilty by Admin. David Levy became an admin in December 2005. See Requests for adminship/David Levy. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 17:07, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Correcting the entry on Oversteer

I would like to make a separate statement on the subject of oversteer because the existing entry is misleading and I don't see how I can do this by editing. The basic steering characteristics of a car are apparent, in a turn, without any sliding taking place, and I would like to explain the parameters involved. Fdudley 22:23, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

What, exactly, is your question? -- Kesh 22:49, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

It appears they answered their own question. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 16:54, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

August 20

Image Question

how to put an image into an article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GAROZ (talk • contribs) 23:46:39, August 19, 2007 (UTC).

Check out the images page, it provides instructions on this. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 00:34, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Birthdates: can they be edited?

I am in the process of creating a bio page for an artist who will release an album on 8/28. The person does not want their bio to be edited to reflect their birthdate. For privacy purposes they are concerned about members having the ability to edit the bio. How can this be prevented? Please help. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LeddyLover (talk • contribs) 23:52:11, August 19, 2007 (UTC).

The simplest way is to put a comment in, or to remove it. As far as I am aware, if the birthdate is publicly available, then it can and should be included, however if they are not wanting it in I assume that is grounds for not including it. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 00:33, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

The policy on biographies of living people says that for most people, the year is sufficient. Probably the best thing to do is watch the article and remove the birthdate if it is added. Kevin 00:39, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

You may not be aware of this, but your postings are on your user page (User:LeddyLover) rather than in article space in a Ledisi article. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 16:52, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Redlining and Germans

Where do I find information about Germans in the United States dealing with dual labor market, Environmental Justice issues, affimative action, redlining, double jeopardy, institutional discrimination, reverse discrimination, glass ceiling, glass walls, or glass escalator? I am doing a homework assignment on the Germans and the tings I mentioned above. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.131.55.74 (talk) 02:15, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

These questions are best asked at the Reference Desk. The Help Desk is for questions about the Wikipedia. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (tαlk) 02:27, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Posting an artical

<How do I post an artical?

See the Very Frequently Asked Questions or Your First Article. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:08, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Citing a thesis

Is there a page that shows a format for citing a dissertation or thesis? The doc for {{Citation}} doesn't cover this. –Unint 02:35, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

WP:CITET has a collection; you're looking for {{cite paper}} --Haemo 02:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

why i cannot edit wikipedia?

why in school i can edit wikipedia, but at home cannot edit wikipedia? using operator on win98. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 166.121.36.232 (talk) 03:14, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

Possibly your IP address at home is blocked from editing (happens sometimes, due to abuse, and shared IPs are more common than most people think). Although usually it's the school address that's more likely to be blocked than the home one, I think. I can't give a more specific answer without knowing more information (specifically, the affected IP address would be a start). – Luna Santin (talk) 06:35, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

how to upload cover art for an album

i clicked the upload this picture, and then pressed cover art as the sort of picture it is. and well its uploaded, i made an excuse for the licesing. and well. it doesnt show up on the polyserena page :S —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mr.diego (talk • contribs) 03:16, August 20, 2007 (UTC).

What happened was that you needed to add the image in to the article. I already did this for you here. See WP:IMAGE for more info on what to do in the future. --_{Hdt83 Chat} 03:21, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

How big is the database?

I am curious how many Terabytes/Petrabytes of information there is located on the servers of Wikipedia. Thanks a lot. (email removed) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.206.217.171 (talk) 06:25, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

See: Wikipedia:Technical FAQ#How big is the database?. --Teratornis 06:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Also see terabyte and petabyte, the latter not to be confused with Petra and byte. --Teratornis 06:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Question about notability

Someone has just added a whole host of people without articles to Wycombe Abbey (a public school in Bucks) here: comparison of revisions. Are British nobility automatically notable enough to appear in articles? Seeing as this is a top school in the UK one would expect a fair few notable people to attend, however this just seems overkill. -- Roleplayer 07:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure if there's a policy on this, but in these circumstances I have tended to include people with a Wikipedia article and remove the rest. It throws up issues with systemic bias but it works reasonably well. --Cherry blossom tree 10:00, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

article assignment to a portal

How does this work, and how does an article become reassigned from portal to portal?--Mrg3105 08:14, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean. There are no restrictions on how many portals an article can feature on. The procedures for changing portals vary. Try commenting on the talk page and if that doesn't get a response, just add something yourself. --Cherry blossom tree 10:05, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

The talk page says "This article is part of WikiProject...". How does that happen, and how can it be removed from the project?--Mrg3105 10:57, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

If an article is obviously not part of that Wikiproject then you simply need to edit the talk page and remove the {{WikiProject Cricket}} or whatever is on there. --Cherry blossom tree 13:03, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice. Done. I really must learn more about editing, but there is so much to fix!--Mrg3105 13:18, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Login Problem

Dear wikipedia,

Tried to sign up, but system is asking for enbling cookies.

Could you please tell us why wikipedia is asking to change members personal computer settings for wikipedia? Why not wikipedia change its settings for all others?

We do not want to change our computer settings.

Member id : sahzzam (signed up or not, no Idea)

Best Regards

(email removed) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.150.135.83 (talk) 09:14, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

Cookies are required to store the login data on your computer, so you remain logged in every time you change to a different page. There is no other way around this. Wikipedia cannot change the settings on the server, as this would not make any difference, and would probabally cause more problems than it solves. Sorry, but to log in, you will have to enable cookies in your browser. Many other websites which use login facilities also use cookies in the same way. :-) Stwalkerster talk 09:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

You may also want to take a look at the relevant part of the Technical FAQ:-) Stwalkerster talk 09:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Voting for deletion

Are there any requisites to be able to vote pro or against an article deletion, e.g. a certain number of edits, or the fact of being a Wikipedia registered user is already enough? --Outspan 09:31, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

There are no pre-requisites to voice your opinion at Articles for Deletion. It helps to cite policies or guidelines to back up your opinion. Cheers Kevin 09:51, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

No prerequisites, but please remember that a deletion debate is not a numerical vote. Arguments based on policies, guidelines, and other established consensus count for far more than a simple vote. An account with few edits might get marked as a single-purpose account, if sock-puppetry is suspected. This would further decrease the subjective value of a vote. --Pekaje 10:33, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Scope in uploading pictures

What's the difference between Special:Upload and uploading a pic via Commons? What should I do to set the scope as global (not just a local edition of Wikipedia), e.g. if I want to use a pic for an English article I'm translating from Italian where the Italian version has the pic but I can't reach it from the English version? I don't have to upload the pic twice, do I? I also noticed some people have a personal pic in their user page, then is it allowed to download such pics even if they're not useful for the purposes of an encyclopedia? How and where should I upload those kinds of pictures? thanks --Outspan 10:58, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

If you upload an image here via Special:Upload then it can only be accessed on the English Wikipedia. If you want an image to be available on more than one project then you can upload it to Commons, if it is under a free licence. If there is an image on the Italian Wikipedia (not on Commons) then you will have to upload it either here or at Commons in order to use it here. You can upload pictures for your user page in the usual way even if they are not useful for the encyclopaedia (within reason.) --Cherry blossom tree 13:10, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Pictures uploaded to Commons must first of all have a free license. Any picture there is immediately available to just about every wiki project. A local file with the same name will (IIRC) overrule the commons file, though. Otherwise they are used in exactly the same way. If the picture you're talking about is free, there might be some procedure on the Italian language Wikipedia for deleting images that have been moved to Commons (here it is speedy deletion criterion I8). If the image has a non-free license, then you have no choice but to upload it on every wiki you use it on, and if it is for the English language Wikipedia, then you must also provide a fair use rationale. It is generally considered acceptable to upload a minor amount of free content for use on ones user-space pages. If it is not particularly encyclopedic, then don't upload it to Commons. Also note that fair-use material on pages in user-space is strictly against policy. --Pekaje 13:12, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

mass

when a car drive pass on 300km/h and carry 29tones how many mass is in the car? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.183.7.50 (talk) 11:11, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

You may be looking for the science reference desk. This is for general help on using Wikipedia. --Pekaje 13:15, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Delocalization

14:21, 20 August 2007 (UTC)81.199.178.42

Do you have a question? PrimeHunter 14:25, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

How do I create an article?

How do I create an article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kullboy12 (talk • contribs) 14:21, August 20, 2007 (UTC).

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter 14:25, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I've added to your talk page what I hope will be some helpful information, but I see PrimeHunter beat me to the reply here! I'd be happy to also post on your talk page additional helpful links, should you need them. Cheers! ^Ariel♥Gold 14:28, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Fair use dispute tag not picked up by bot?

I tagged some images to dispute the fair use rational about 6 hours ago but they don't seem to be showing up in the disputed fair use list. Have I used the right tag? Am I looking in the right place for the list? The images are, [19] [20] [21] and [22]. As far as I can tell I followed all the relevant instructions. Regards Bksimonb 14:58, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

The tagging is fine; you're looking in the wrong place for the list. That list is for images whose fair-use dispute doesn't have a date; yours is correctly dated, so it shows up (correctly) in :Category:Disputed non-free images as of 20 August 2007 and :Category:All disputed non-free images. --ais523 16:33, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, only one of them was correctly tagged. I took the liberty of adding the date parameter to the remaining three images. As for why they might not show up, there can sometimes be delays when categorization happens through templates. --Pekaje 17:24, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

To find where your tags are showing up, check out the bottom of the image page where it says "Categories." -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 16:39, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

OK thank you all for the help and also for fixing the broken tags. Much appreciated. Regards Bksimonb 18:26, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Please help me amend my client's entry so it does not contain "unbalanced" boxes.

I work for a public relations agency (Edelman) and my client, the law firm Shearman & Sterling, has a Wikipedia entry that has 3 boxes claiming that the entry is "unbalanced," "reads like and advertisement," etc. These boxes were placed because some of the content on the Wikipedia entry was pasted verbatim from the Web site. As far as we're aware, none of its staff is responsible for placing this content. Because we're an interested party, we want to respect Wikipedia's guidelines and not edit the entry to change the tone. We are hoping we can appeal to Wikipedia's volunteer editors to amend the entry as they see fit, so it no longer reads, "unbalanced," etc. I was referred here from the following page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contact_us/Article_problem/Factual_error_%28from_enterprise%29/ If you have any questions, my e-mail address is (removed email). Thank you, Mark —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.38.190.9 (talk) 15:01, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

I removed the unsourced material from the article and the copyright violation information from the article. I appreciate your respecting Wikipedia's COI guidelines, but Wikipedia is "the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit." As public relations agency, you might want to consider letting one of you employees spend time learning how to contribute to Wikipedia. If that person adds a sentence to Shearman & Sterling based on information from a reliable source (e.g., usually a newspaper article or book) that is independent of Shearman & Sterling and footnote that sentence, I don't think anyone would delete that sentence merely because it came from a public relations agency. If an article is created of such sentences, I don't think anyone would delete that article merely because it came from a public relations agency. Contributing to Wikipedia is not as straight forward as it seems and typically takes about three months of editing Wikipedia before most people "get it." -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 16:10, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Our software was once in Wikipedia and now its not there

Hi, My name is Morris Gindi, from Creative Manager, Inc. Our software 'Creative Manager Pro' was once in the Wikipedia listings and now I cannot find it. I'm pretty sure that it also used to be listed at List_of_project_management_software. Maybe there was a problem with entry? Maybe it was taken down for a good reason that we're not aware of? Or maybe it was removed by a competitor of ours? Is there a way to find out? What is the next step? Please advise. You can reach me at (email removed). Your help is greatly appreciated. Thank you, Morris Gindi, Creative Manager, Inc. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.0.242.177 (talk) 15:19, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

You may add it back in if you feel the company is noteable enough. And you can look in the History (see top of article) of the article to see when, why and who removed the information. Lradrama 15:21, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

See: WP:WWMPD. --Teratornis 15:40, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Looking at this log, it seems your software's article was deleted last November under the criteria for speedy deletion. This is probably because it was advertising the product rather than objectively describing it. The article List of project management software only includes software with separate Wikipedia articles, so it was probably removed around that time. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 17:22, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Please also see WP:COI. Corvus cornix 17:10, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Editing tools in Wikipedia

Am I missing something? Formatting with different fonts? Typing simple mathematical expressions — f.ex. in classical Times New Roman? Importing such to Wikipedia — without enforced to rewrite? Where is the tool? Retrieved from Wikipedia:Sandbox. --BMJ 16:03, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

It is hard to answer your question since it is not clear as to what you are asking, but you might want to review Help:Contents/Editing Wikipedia. Also, Help:Edit toolbar discusses the Wikipedia edit toolbar. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 16:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

To use different fonts, enclose the text in <span style="font-family: Font Name"> </span>. For example, <span style="font-family: Times New Roman">Example text</span> appears as Example text. You can change the color and size using a similar method: <span style="color: red; font-size: 120%">text</span> makes the text red and 120% normal size. However, note that in articles, fonts, colors, and text sizes should be left at their defaults except in special cases. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 16:25, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

If you want to enter mathematical expressions, see Help:Math; there's a separate syntax for those, that's more suited to them. --ais523 16:27, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and for mathematical expressions, see Help:Displaying a formula. For other kinds of formatting, see Wikipedia:How to edit a page#Wiki markup. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 16:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

To a first (and very good) approximation, all the tools are here:

• User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia

--Teratornis 18:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh dear.
I am almost touched to the bone by such an excellent response and interest from even SEVERAL beautiful persons at Wikipedia (I mean our beautiful Planet).
Thank you, thank you, and thank you again.
I am completely new in Wikipedia, so I really appreciate the response. Thank you again.

After my quest (to you all) I made some »private research» in Wikipedia:

FIRST:
Please refer to an imported illustration on the subject showing exactly what I mean and aim at in my initial question;
(I dare not be bold enough to include it here, so I humbly will refer to the talk page Wikipedia has offered to me where the actual picture WIKIDEMO.png

WIKIDEMO.png
(under headline Illustrated Example)

is: please excuse me for not yet being acquainted with all the trixes and mixes of links and how to use them, perhaps making this text more circumstantial than necessary).

And this is — thank you Pyrospirit — where I believe I will have the most useful applicability of your suggestions: just look at the SampleImage named above, and you will see exactly what I meant.
(I will start test your suggestions immediately after this edit).

THEN, from a short gaze at WIKIDEMO.png, YOU COULD SAY: Oh MAN: I SEE YOUR POINT; THIS IS, UNFORTUNATLY, NOT FOR WIKIPEDIA. Sorry lad. Have you tried it on the Moon … You may test me on that, if you want. We are, anyway all here for Wikipedia editing clarity and enjoyment — for Best Readability.

SECOND:
Yes. I have read a whole bunch of the Wikipedia:Help-subjects on editing, including the mathematics part [thank you -- Jreferee (Talk), --ais523, and --Teratornis]
— and it is that which makes me troublesome.

IF, namely, the aim is to SERVE a general Wikipedia reader with an optimal clarity, readability for context and EDITABILITY too, of course, the examples I have seen in Wikipedia, and too the examples shown by the present Wikipedia articles on the "mathematics formatting" articles, really leave a lot for the rest to be whished for. Please refer again to

WIKIDEMO.png
(under headline Illustrated Example)

for an exact scope of my preference, and you will, at a glance, see my point. Saw me, if you like. If my contributions are NOT appreciated, please say it. Neither I am interested in feeding global crap. If it isn't good, it shall be removed.

Mathematics with good readability, included together with normal text as this, should be as EASY to write, as is this text in a normal word processing program: plain text, italic, bold, Symbol, Times New Roman, subscript and superscript, expressions in same line as this, clear, easy to read, easy to edit, change, improve and enhance.
--BMJ 20:52, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Encrypt Password

Hello. How can I encrypt my password when I login to Wikipedia? Thanks in advance. --Mayfare 16:05, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Maybe https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Main_Page is more secure but I don't know the details and I hear it's slower. I have never used it. PrimeHunter 16:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether you are asking 1. How can I encrypt my password before I login to Wikipedia, 2. How can I encrypt my password as I login to Wikipedia, or 3. How can I encrypt my password after I login to Wikipedia. As you type in your password, each character should show up as a black dot in the password box. Wikipedia:Security provides some information that might be relevant. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 16:32, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello again. I logged in using the website that PrimeHunter provided. The website was partially encrypted. Whenever I clicked a link except those that are located in the Contents box, a window appears saying that I will view secure and unsecure items. Using PrimeHunter's method is a little slower than conventional logins, but I do not mind. I guess that this method is better.

I would like to encrypt my password so no hacker may read my unencrypted password. I read the Wikipedia:Security article. Thanks Jreferee for separating the question that 70.63.95.73 made from my question. Thanks PrimeHunter and Jreferee. --Mayfare 05:07, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Red link

Why are there so many hyperlinked words or phrases that aren't connected to a wikipedia article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.63.95.73 (talk) 16:11, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

There are a variety of reasons to red link words or phrases, some of which is discussed at Wikipedia:Red link. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 16:25, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Movement between articles

How do I move a paragraph (I wrote), or move a section (I wrote) of several paragraphs, from an old article to a newly-created article (I'm writing)? My goal is to subdivide a pre-existing, lengthy article into (#1) an older, continuing, main article, and (#2) a short, newer article with a different focus. Dr.Bastedo 17:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

You can open up two browser windows and have both articles open in edit mode at the same time to cut/paste between them. I don't do that. I have a text editor open (Kate) and I copy/paste my edits to that, then paste them back into Wikipedia when I'm done with them. -- Kainaw^(what?) 17:11, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Summary style. If anybody else has contributed to the text you move then the edit summary when you insert it must say which article it came from. This is required by the GFDL license used by Wikipedia. If you wrote everything yourself then I still recommend saying where it came from. PrimeHunter 17:53, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Comment - It appears that Invertebrate paleontology is the article to which Dr. Bastedo is referring. Its stats may be viewed at Wikipiedia page history statistics. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 20:00, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

automobile

I want to get rid of a 1996 mercury grand marquiz i heard thru a friend that they are offerring up $3000 for cars from 96 down. -- 64.132.1.182 (talk · contribs · logs) 17:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, this is Wikipedia's help desk, not a second hand car salesman. AndrewJDTALK -- 17:22, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. If you have a question about using Wikipedia, feel free to ask, but please don't try to sell your car here. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 17:24, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Background Information Table??

I am making a page for a Solo Acoustic Artist.. How do I make that Background Information Table that I see on most artists' pages.. ?? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ml1136 (talk • contribs) 17:25, August 20, 2007 (UTC).

This may be in reference to the Jonathan Clay article. Jonathanclay.com does not list any newspaper coverage of Jonathan Clay. I did find "U-WIRE. August 30, 2006 Texas State U.-San Marcos: Jonathan Clay finds success in indie music scene" so it is possible that the topic does meet WP:N. Your initial Jonathan Clay article was speedy deleted twice because of lack of content. You first might want to develop the article at User:Ml1136/Jonathan_Clay and then move the developed article to Jonathan Clay. Background Information Tables are at Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Infoboxes. Also see Template:Biography. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 17:31, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

External Link I Add Keeps Being Removed

Hi

I added an external link to a page - Mitsubishi Pajero - a few weeks ago and in the last couple of days that link has been removed along with a few others. I tried re-adding and it's been taken down again. The link I'm adding is to my own non-profit blog about this vehicle - Mitsubishi Pajero Blog.

There are two external links that haven't been removed; one to the official Mitsubishi site which is fair enough I suppose and one to a German site which provides information on the Pajero although in rather broken English, but still it's informative. I would class both sites as for-profit (the German site carries Adsense adverts).

So my question is what's wrong with the link to my site over these other two? Am I doing something against policy that the other two sites are not? And who keeps taking down my link?

TIA - TimReal 17:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

In general, links to blogs will be removed. -- Kainaw^(what?) 17:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:External links. It says: "You should avoid linking to a website that you own, maintain or represent, even if the guidelines otherwise imply that it should be linked. If the link is to a relevant and informative site that should otherwise be included, please consider mentioning it on the talk page and let neutral and independent Wikipedia editors decide whether to add it." PrimeHunter 17:58, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Post removed and I don't know why.

Hello, In the discussion part of the biography of Marcial Maciel I made a post with a link to a letter from the 1950s that has recently been published. The letter specifically accuses Maciel of sexual abuse. Many defenders of Maciel say that sexual abuse was not an issue in the investigation into his behaviour in the 1950s, but this letter is a strong indicator to the contrary. I believe the post I made can be read at this link and is entitled Evidence of Sexual Abuse from the 1950s. I would like to know why my post was removed, and I would like to repost it - can I? -- Aronski 17:46, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

• Background: The Aronski post initially was removed by The Jackal God per WP:SOAPBOX, immediately restored by Scott5834, removed again by The Jackal God, restored by Scott5834, and removed again by The Jackal God. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 18:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
• Aronski: talk pages are meant to be used for discussion about the article itself, rather than the subject matter of the article. (For example: on Talk:Banana, you might discuss the content of the "Storage" section, but not how bananas are tasty.) The post that you added appears to discuss Marcial Maciel himself, rather than the development of the article. (In addition, it appears to "soapbox" against the man, by linking to an advocacy forum.) Adding a post that explains how such facts could contribute to the article's content (while adhering to WP:NPOV and WP:BLP) would be more useful than one that just talks about Maciel. Gracenotes^T § 18:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
• Marcial Maciel is a biography of Marcial Maciel; it is not an article about the "investigation into his behaviour in the 1950s." The letters seem to contain reliable source biography material about Marcial Maciel that could be used in the Marcial Maciel biography article. I think the letters can be used and footnoted in the Marcial Maciel biography article for such a purpose. To avoid problems in using the letters in the article as you propose, you might want to review synthesis of published material serving to advance a position. As for restoring the talk page post, Article talk pages are provided for discussion of the content of articles and the views of reliable published sources. See Wikipedia:Talk page. WP:SOAPBOX doesn't really apply to talk pages. However, Maciel still is living so any posts in Wikipedia about him are subject to WP:BLP. The Marcial Maciel article is not protected, so you might be better off editing the article itself rather than restoring the talk page post. Removing footnoted material from an article usually requires talk page discussion. However, "allegations of ..." and second hand accounts of information might run into trouble even if referenced. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 18:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Giuliani's Bio

I'd very much like to have this (or at least a summary, incl the tiger bit :)) added to his bio. It's complete fact, and taken from New York's govt site. Thanks. See Archives of the Mayor's Press Office. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.220.249.134 (talk) 17:50, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

That reference contains remarks of Mayor Giuliani that are not independent of Rudy Giuliani, so it may not be a viable source for the Rudy Giuliani article. If some independent newssource picked up on that press release, you can cite that newssource in the Rudy Giuliani article. You can cite that press release in the ferret article, particularly the part about the Mayor of one of the largest cities in the United States equating the permitting of New Yorkers to own, buy and sell domestic ferrets the equivalent of stating that tigers are no longer dangerous and should be legal pets in the City. Also, you might be able to make use of it in the Mayor of New York City article. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 18:07, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

How to get back a deleted page?

I had a page deleted because someone thought it would be funny to delete.

1. How to go about getting it back? 2. Do I have to get back from scratch? 3. How many citations do I need?

Thank You, Brian —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.164.166.230 (talk) 18:17, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

What page? -- Kainaw^(what?) 18:46, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

WP:AGF. I doubt if it was deleted because "somebody thought it would be funny to delete." Corvus cornix 15:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

How do I update an existing image?

There is an image for the flag of my province on Wikipedia here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flag_of_Nova_Scotia.svg . This image is a rendering of the old flag, and is not 100% accurate. I tried to replace this file with a contemporary version by uploading a file with the same name, but the system told me this file could not be overwritten. I uploaded a new file, but I would still like to replace the old one as hundreds of other pages reference it, and my version has more complete and more accurate copyright information. Can my new version (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Nova_Scotia_Flag.svg) be merged with/replace the old one? --Strategability 18:41, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I asked Kirkoconnell to address this since Kirkoconnell was the one who uploaded Image:Flag of Nova Scotia.svg. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 19:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

The reason I used the image I have here is because that image is referenced in various articles but was removed due to copyright reasons. I decided to get the image and place the right copyrights. I first looked into ways to redirect to the other Nova Scotia Flag but it did not seem possible. I'm not new to wikipedia but I am new to image uploading. You are more then welcome to do whatever you like with the image. If need be, I can get a copy of the pages that reference it and I can replace that image with yours but I could not get the list until I uploaded an image. -Kirkoconnell 20:04, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Can't get coordinate page up

I recently added the coordinates to the Allan Hancock College (in Santa Maria, CA) article. To make sure these were correct, I clicked on the coordinates so that I could get to that list of map providers. But instead, I got to the Cannot find server page. Why is this? --Nick4404 18:54, 20 August 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nick4404 (talk • contribs) 18:53, August 20, 2007 (UTC).

I checked out the coordinates link in I-35W Mississippi River bridge, which is not working either. It looks like something is wrong with the http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/geo site. I added Geolinks-US-streetscale to the Allan Hancock College article and the google.com link is working. You might want to give it a few days for someone to fix tools.wikimedia.de. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 19:47, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Creating a New Article

I have been looking for over an hour on where to write a new article for which wikipedia does not have an entry for. please tell me how without using the help website because it is useless and does not direct to a writing template.

Adbontin 19:03, 20 August 2007 (UTC)Adbontin

See the Very Frequently Asked Questions or Your First Article. -- Kainaw^(what?) 19:05, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

1. Put the name of your article in the search box to the upper left and hit go. 2. Click on the red letters reading "create this page". 3. Post your content in the space below where it says "Articles that do not cite reliable published sources are likely to be deleted." 4. Hit "save page". -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 19:27, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Infobox?

How do I create an Infobox from scratch? I found the "infobox" wiki, but it explained directions as if I had already found a template and knew how to right align it. Can I please get steps from the very beginning? I'm lost. Thanks! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by EChouinard1 (talk • contribs) 19:07, August 20, 2007 (UTC).

An Infobox merely is a template. Template creation discusses creating templates from scratch. Template:Infobox Broadcast is a good example of an Infobox template that you might use in creating your Infobox. Also take a look at Category:Television_infobox_templates. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 19:17, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Creating a Bio Page

Is there a template I can use to create a page such as Desiree Summers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desiree_Summers has of herself? Thanks, Dale Fletcher 19:36, 20 August 2007 (UTC)Dale

Try Template:Biography. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 19:50, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Where can I get more information about these double-bracket icon link thingies?

I've come across a bunch of icon flag symbols, invoked by using double brackets. Here is an example: United Kingdom

Where can I get more information about this construct?

Where can I get a list of all the available icons?

Thanks in advance!

(PS: By the way, the link on the Help Desk page leading to some search tool on a German website does not work today. The one where the Help Desk page says "Search FAQ first")

Carl Gusler 19:57, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

The double brackets are templates, which act as shortcuts do insert pre-defined images and text into a page. You can find a list of the flag icon templates at Category:Flag templates. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 20:36, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

The "Search FAQ" tool seems to be working (for me anyway) now. DH85868993 02:47, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

missing preferences link

hello i need some help. I just signed up for an account and was fooling around with the preferences to set skins and colours. Meanwhile, I hit something by mistake and the tool bar link which contains the link to "my preferences" which in turn contain links to edit "skin" etc has disappeared from my page. Could you kindl restore this to default. My user id is nandiniriyer and my email id is nandiniriyer@gmail.com. I would be grateful if you could inform me by mail as I'm unable to navigate the page any longer. thanks a bunch and sorry about the inconvenience. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nandiniriyer (talk • contribs).

Okay here we go. Log on and type in Special:Preferences. Once you get there go to "skin" and select the default setting monobook.js. Refresh your page and the preferences tab should have returned. Hope that helps. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (tαlk) 22:25, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Actions enabled over time

So, If I got it right, I'm enabled to move pages only 4 days after I've created an user account. Are there other actions that are enabled only when a certain amount of time from account creation has passed? -- Outspan [talk · contribs] 20:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

You can edit semi-protected pages after 5 days.--Max Talk (+) 20:41, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

No Max, that is four days, the same as page moves. Prodego ^talk 04:16, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, ok I see. And then, that's it? :) -- Outspan [talk · contribs] 20:47, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

You also get access to the secret wiki-egg salad recipe (; --69.118.235.97 21:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Some Wikipedia:Elections require an account created a certain time before the election. Wikipedia:Why create an account? mentions other benefits that are not based on time of account. PrimeHunter 00:40, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

AFD...

Hi, can users who are not registered, take part in an AFD debate? Thenthornthing 21:22, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but the usual restrictions of reasoned argument being worth more than "delete --~~~~Insert non-formatted text here" tend to be more strictly applied to unregistered and very newly registered users. There is obviously no reason to discount a valid argument just because of who made it. --Cherry blossom tree 21:27, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I would also like to think that a well thought out argument from an anon in good standing would be taken seriously. --69.118.235.97 21:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

So would this be considered a valid argument: "Speedy keep notable enough... too big to merge, and too notable to delete. --84.45.219.185 10:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)" Cheers Thenthornthing 21:34, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

No, it's not valid. The IP provides no proof that it is notable, unless, of course, it is already stated in the discussion. --Boricuaeddie 22:01, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

This is a link to that discussion, for anyone who is interested--69.118.235.97 22:04, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

In that specific AfD, that could be considered a valid comment. --Boricuaeddie 22:11, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

contestant on national television

Can someone get a wikipedia if they were a contestant on a gameshow and won money? what if it can be proved? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jimmyk1006 (talk • contribs).

No, gameshow contestants are generally not considered notable for just that. If the person is notable for something else, then it might be worth a sentence in their article. --Pekaje 22:18, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

(ec) Already answered on your talk page. BTW, the answer is depending on how far they got and if they received a lot of media coverage. --Boricuaeddie 22:19, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

August 21

Wikipedia Ariticles????

My daughter age 12 has to find a published writing that gives a bias opinion. HELP! Does Wikipedia have anything like this on here? I have been online for 30 minutes trying to find an ariticle or something that gives a bias opinion, with NO luck!!! Can anyone tell me where to look here on Wikipedia??? Thank you Rachel —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.58.52.230 (talk) 00:38, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

Um, try the Reference Desk, but please try to be more specific. I'm not really sure what a "published writing that gives a bias opinion" is. But, then again, I don't know what many things mean :-) --Boricuaeddie 00:45, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles are supposed to satisfy Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, but they don't always. Category:NPOV disputes contains articles which have been tagged because they may have problems in that regard. PrimeHunter 00:48, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Conservapedia at http://www.conservapedia.com has other policies than Wikipedia. It's easier to find articles there that many people would consider biased. Merely reading the table of contents in http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexuality should be enough to get an idea of their point of view. PrimeHunter 00:54, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

The Desiree Summers article that another questioner mentioned above read like a promotional press release when I looked at it early today, although not nearly as egregiously biased as what fills Conservapedia. Virtually all published advertisements are biased (in favor of whatever they are trying to sell) - simply open any magazine which publishes print advertisements, and you should have no difficulty finding examples of biased writing. Although your daughter aged 12 would have to be rather precocious to absorb the following articles, her intellectual life would be all the richer for it if she could:

• Cognitive bias
• List of cognitive biases
• Critical thinking
• Fallacy
• List of fallacies

In retrospect, I wish I could have read and understood the above articles when I was twelve! Also see:

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias#The origins of bias

Disclosure: it turns out that I score a perfect 10 out of 10 for characteristics of the average Wikipedian on the English Wikipedia. Therefore, it seems, you must not believe a word I say. --Teratornis 03:32, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Looking back through the edit history of a controversial article might reveal some biased writing. You could look at Category:NPOV disputes as PrimeHunter suggested, or look for Protected or Semi-protected articles. A word of caution though: Wikipedia is not censored and some people simply vandalize pages, sometimes using language or images that would not be suitable for your 12 year old daughter to view without parental supervision. Astronaut 15:37, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Reporting Vandals

I was about to post a warning for vandalism on someone's talk page, when I noticed that they had already been given a final warning, warning them that they will be blocked if they vandalize again. What should one do next? Is there some place to report people for vandalism after a final warning? Zomic_13 00:58, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Make sure the final warning is recent, then add a report to WP:AIV. --Haemo 01:01, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Reformatting transcluded sections

How can I move the WP:FC section to the right of the table at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Chicago#Reviewed_content? I am experimenting with reformatting the section. --TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 01:14, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Just change "<div style="float: right;" to "<div style="float: left;", is that what you want to do? --Silver Edge 02:26, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

That looks good.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 17:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Free use images

Could someone explain why images are deleted and such? I've read the policy but I don't really understand it. Thanks. Cheers, JetLover ^(talk) 03:21, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

There are a variety of reasons an image could be deleted. Usually it is because the uploader did not provide the source and copyright status of the image. Such images are tagged and the uploader is given a seven day grace period to specify that information before the image is deleted. Also, non-free images which do not satisfy the non-free content criteria are deleted after specific grace periods. This page: Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images and media may provide you with more information. If you could point us to a specific image that was deleted, we could provide a more specific answer. --Nick—^Contact/_Contribs 03:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Internal link to a section on another page

I've done this before, but I'm having no luck tonight. Could you remind me of the format to add a link on one page that takes the user to a particular section on another page. I've been trying something along this line without success. Rivers of Ontario feeding the Lake Erie Basin

--Pat 04:03, 21 August 2007 (UTC) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pnoble805 (talk • contribs) 03:58, August 21, 2007 (UTC).

[[pagename#sectionname]] You only need to include the bottom most subsection name, so List of Ontario rivers#Lake Erie watershed will do the trick. Use these links sparingly, as they are easy to break. Should there be two sections of the same name, add a " n" to the end to get the right one, where n is the number of identically named sections above the one you want. Prodego ^talk 04:07, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Editing

YouTube refers to Gladys Knight as the EMPRESS OF SOUL and references a Japanese crtitc who dubbed her that in the 70's. I'm trying to edit the Gladys Knight page and add her moniker and site YouTube as my source. How do I do that? You keep undoing my edit. 04:51, 21 August 2007 (UTC)~~ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Comprendo (talk • contribs).

The edits seem to have been removed because the source you have given (Youtube) is not considered reliable. Perhaps you could find another source for the info? Cheers Kevin 05:07, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Link to wrong article

Dear Sirs/Madams Hope that you are well at the moment, there is a list of Islands, and when I clicked on Kundur (an Island of Indonesia), it linked to a page, but the page does not describe the island nor show its data, the page describes something that totally different with the island. Please check it. Thank you, Best regards Martin —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 116.217.8.79 (talk) 06:05, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

We don't have an article about the island, so I have changed the link in List of islands by area from Kundur (which redirects to an unrelated article) to Kundur (Indonesia) where an article might be created later. PrimeHunter 13:57, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Working with Wikipedia and using its content on my website

To whomever it may concern,

I wanted to ask a few questions about working with Wikipedia - briefly.

I am starting a website dedicated to Classic and Exotic cars.

Wikipedia has large amounts of info related to these topics.

I would like to post the wikipedia resource on my site to give people access to this information and pictures - at the same time, I would like to register and add pictures and factual information to fill gaps in the information block (regarding classic and exotic cars) on wikipedia.

How do I go about doing this? Can I post the exact information on my site - while providing wikipedia as the source along with a link? Is that sufficient?

What steps do I have to take?

---

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.42.21.154 (talk) 06:21, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

Using Wikipedia content on your website is perfectly fine as long as you comply with the terms of the GFDL. The best way to do this is to click the "Cite this article" link in the toolbox next to the article you want to cite. That tool will provide you with the information needed to properly cite the Wikipedia article. There are additional requirements in order to comply with the GFDL that can be found at WP:COPYRIGHT#Reusers.27 rights and obligations As for contributing to Wikipedia, I would suggest creating an account (although it is not mandatory) and reading WP:WELCOME. --Nick—^Contact/_Contribs 07:06, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

An AWB account

I recently registered the account Chrisbot (talk · contribs · count · logs · page moves · block log) for which I could use to do my AWB edits. These edits are not automtic and I would do them on my own account if this one didn't exist. My question is this: Should I register it as a bot account, and if so, should I abandon the account and just do them on my normal account? --ChrisDHDR ^{( • contrib's)} 07:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

You should not register as a bot account, and you might want to change the name to remove the word bot from it, since that is usually only for actual bot accounts. Since this account is not a bot account, it should not be named that way. i ^said 08:33, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

edit war

I've had issues trying to add a neutral contribution to a page, One peoples project, and had undergone several deletions/edits before my contribution was finally accepted as neutral point of view about 3 weeks ago. Apparently neutral isn't good enough, if you check the talk page of that entry you see Elyrad (daryle, the owner of the subject of the entry) boasting that he changed the accepted entry rather than delete it. I don't want to get involved in an edit war, so I changed it back and now posting here hoping for a neutral party to see to this advertisement. Honestly I have to suggest again, if you want to keep this as a npov resource, you will need to restrict people editting entries about themselves or their projects, or they just turn into commercials. Tellthetruthplease 08:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I've taken a look at the edits between you and the other party and while I won't pretend to know anything about the articles topic the edit you are trying to make seems a controversial edit that requires to be citied, if you're unable to cite the edit then I recommend not adding it in, if you still have problems with the other party I recommend taking a look at Wikipedia:Resolving disputes. Andy^reply 09:15, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually some others have editted my contribution down to what they thought was acceptalbe a few weeks ago. My problem is with the new contributions, thoroughly biased, added by the actual topic of the entry. I am not trying to add anything, my entry was finished 3 weeks ago, but it's being vandalized. Tellthetruthplease 09:19, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Removing messages bar

I have a bar up the top of my screen saying "You have new messages (last change).". I have read the messages, now how do I get rid of the bar? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.242.86.57 (talk) 09:54, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

Hi! You are editing from an IP address, and unfortunately, there is a bug (see Bugzilla Bug ID 9213) in the software which causes the bar to either never appear, or not to disappear automatically after the messages have been read, but only for unregistered users. To avoid this from appearing, you can create an account :-) Stwalkerster talk 10:01, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Creating a new page

I do not know about creating a new page. Can you teach me how? Thank you in advance. Neo Guyver; August 21 4:55 AM —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Neo Guyver (talk • contribs) 09:56, August 21, 2007 (UTC).

See Starting a new page and Your first article. x42bn6 Talk Mess 10:02, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Placing a new article

Dear sir / madam,

I have a question concerning placing a new article on Wikipedia.

I already have checked if the URL is available, which is the case. I want to start a page called 'Panatlas'. Can you give me the link to the page where I can place the article? The complete text is already finished.

Thanks in advance.

Kind regards,

Quinta —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Quinta123 (talk • contribs) 11:03, August 21, 2007 (UTC).

If you want to start a new article called Panatlas, then click on this red link here. A red link signals the fact that the page has not been created yet. Enter the text in the text box to start the article. :-) Lradrama 11:06, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Not sure if this applies, but Panatelas is listed as a parejo cigar. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 23:21, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

enlish learning.

my first language is Hindi and i want to learn english so how can i learn english on online. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.94.74.243 (talk) 11:20, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

This page is for asking questions about the English Wikipedia and how it works only. See the notice at the top of this page. Lradrama 11:26, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

But you may get more help at the Language Reference Desk, where you can ask language-related questions. x42bn6 Talk Mess 11:31, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

My page was deleted - why?

I submitted a page yesterday that was immediately flagged for Speedy Removal. All of the content was factual. I even followed another entry very closely to make certain the formatting was correct. The entry was called "Life on the List". Can someone please let me know why this was removed? Creativecomponent 13:12, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Are you sure it was noteable enough to be included in Wikipedia? i.e. was it a well-known subject matter / content? If something isn't classed as noteable, then it will probably be removed. See also Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion. Lradrama 13:18, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

The deleting administrator gave a reason at User talk:Creativecomponent and in the edit summary for the deletion of Life on the list. Apparently the article did not indicate that the subject satisfies Wikipedia:Notability. See also Wikipedia:Why was my article deleted? and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. PrimeHunter 13:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Efficiency vs effectiveness

Differetiate the difference between efficiency and effectiveness —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.43.193.167 (talk) 13:24, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

Have you got a question on how to use Wikpedia? KTC 13:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Million, billion, etc

Why when I read an article about money (or numbers), in USA a billion is equal to 1,000 millions all over the world?

This bring a trillion units in USA to the equivalent of a billion all over the world and confuses everybody.

In Latin America:

1,000,000       equals a million
100,000,000     equals a one hundred millions
1,000,000,000   equals a one thousand millions (in USA is a billion.
100,000,000,000 equals to a one hundred thousand millions
1,000,000,000,000 equals a BILLION (In USA is a trillion)

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.153.155.215 (talk) 14:12, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

Agree. When I was at school (I am english) a billion was a million million. About 20 years ago the Treasury announced, without any consultation that for financial statements a billion was now a thousnad million. Since then, confusion. Personally I avoid billion like the plague, and use a thousand million or a million million. Longer, but unambiguous.GORDONEH 15:31, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Per Long and short scales, 1000 million seems to be the more common usage, and should be used. This is specifically dealt with in the Wikipedia Manual of Style, and it says "Billion is understood as 10⁹". So billion should always be used as opposed to 1000 million. Prodego ^talk 17:41, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

As seen by Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1000000000000 (number) 2nd nomin, editors have disagreed about how to handle the ambiguity. PrimeHunter 18:59, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

The United States values its Horatio Alger stories, so we want to keep the status of billionaire at least somewhat attainable. It could be some time before inflation and economic growth make possible the first trillionaire, that is, assuming modern economies survive past Peak oil. Of course if all the world's billionaires chose to give all their money to one person - for example, to me - they could create the first trillionaire today. --Teratornis 20:29, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Budget template?

When you write a section about the budget of a company or organization, is there some kind of template or format to follow? Dabomb87 14:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Articles should usually have limited budget information. See Wikipedia:Companies, corporations and economic information. PrimeHunter 18:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

But a featured article about an organization has a whole section dedicated to its finance. Dabomb87 19:01, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, the article in question is not about a company, it's about a public transport authority, if that's any help. Dabomb87 19:09, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I would like to know why I am unable to log in

Bold textHave been a member for considerable time,now I can't log in and must ask why?.Username has always been SwathingScientist. Have you permanently installed on my browser but was using IE7 which sucks,I use K-Meleon browser now. Thank you kindly I'm sure (email removed to protect you from spam) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.51.64.214 (talk) 14:51, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

I've sent a new password for that account to the email address you used when originally signing up (for security reasons, we can't send a new password anywhere else). Check your inbox! --ais523 16:17, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

makin wikipedia my homepage

how do i make wikipedia my homepage?

It depends on your web browser. If you're using Internet Explorer, go to the page that you want to set as your home page, and click Tools, then Internet Options in the menu. Then, click the "Use Current" button. If you're using Mozilla Firefox, go to the page that you want to set as your home page, and click Tools, then Options in the menu. Then, click the "Use Current Pages" button. Andy^reply 15:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

--Robertespo 14:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Copyright Question

I have uploaded some photos, they are copyrighted to me through creative commons. How do I link pages to my photos?Rutietooty 15:03, 21 August 2007 (UTC).

When you upload the images to wikipedia select the correct creative commons license for your work as you have done with one of your images, the second one does not have a copyright tag which it requires, to get copyright tags please see Wikipedia:Image copyright tags, add it to the image by using the edit link and pasting in the correct code to the license you are using. To add an image to an article see Wikipedia:Images Andy^reply 15:22, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

22nd (Cheshire) Regiment of the British Army

Greetings, I wish to inform you that in your article about the 22nd (Cheshire) Regiment of the British Army that you have the Motto as "'Ich Dien' or 'I Serve'". This is the motto of the Staffordshire Regiment and the correct motto for the 22nd (Cheshire) Regiment is "Ever Glorious".

As an Officer in training in the Regiment I wish for this misunderstanding to be rectified as swiftly as possible as the regiment will sadly no longer exist in 11 days at the time of writing. Proof of this can be found in a copy of the Army Officers career guide found in every Army careers office.

Thank you for your co-operation in this matter.

Regards,

O/Cdt J Roberts 5 Pl B (Cheshire) Coy KCR (4 Mercian) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 88.105.66.203 (talk) 15:14, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

You could have changed it for yourself by clicking "edit this page" at the top of the regiment's page. But, I've changed it for you anyway. (Not a blind change by the way: I searched Google for cheshire regiment "ich dien" and got 2 irrelevant hits, while cheshire regiment "ever glorious" got 45 mostly relevant hits).

I'm sorry to hear about the demise of the regiment. This kind of thing is happening all too often.

Astronaut 16:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Appearance in history

Have just added some references to the biblography for the Stephen Lawrence entry. Looking at history my username, like some others appears in red, while others are blue? Why? Also, after my entry is TALK also in red, though I have not as yet joined any discussion . Again why? GORDONEH (talk · contribs · logs) 15:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Those whose userpages have not been edited (like yours) have their usernames in red. TALK is a link to your talk page, the page that is marked discussion when you are in your userpage. When that has content in it, the link to it will become blue. Likewise, when your userpage has content put in it, your username will be blue also. Dabomb87 15:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Red links mean that the page it is linking to doesn't exist, with regards to usernames and usertalk you need to add content to both to turn them into blue links, to do so you can use the links at the top right of every page to access your userpage and usertalk. For more info on what can be put on your userpage please see: Wikipedia:User page Andy^reply 15:28, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

HBKH

Who blocked HBKH and why??? HIYO —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 15:37, August 21, 2007 (UTC).

The answers to your questions can be found here. Corvus cornix 15:47, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

It looks as though the account was at risk of being compromised due to a publicly visible password. For security reasons, all compromised accounts are immediately blocked. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 16:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

• • Soooooooooooo.... he didn't DO anything, but people knew his password, so he was blocked? ps he's coming back under the name of Big Protection Agency (BPA) HIYO 19:04, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

It looks as though he mentioned his password in an edit summary on your user page. So, yes. And I don't believe he'll be coming back as User:BPA, since someone already has that name claimed. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 21:07, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

THEN THATS HIM!!!!!!! run a checkuser! HIYO 21:22, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

User page being used for advertising

I've come across User:Miskeen, which appears to be nothing but a PR piece for a clothing company and the user hasn't made any mainspace edits yet. How/are user pages like this tagged if at all or how are they dealt with? I'm wary about putting db-avert tag on it. Thanks. BrokenSphere^{Msg me} 15:45, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

User:Drunkenmonkey took care of it for you. {{db-ad}} is the appropriate tag for advertising, whether in article space or User space. Corvus cornix 15:49, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I have listed this page for speedy deletion on your behalf, speedy deletion applies to all namespaces so it is fine to list a userpage for speedy deletion, for more info please see WP:SPEEDY Andy^reply 15:50, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

OK. I'm more used to tagging article spaces than user spaces, which is why I wasn't sure. Thanks. BrokenSphere^{Msg me} 15:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Galahad JD Clark

(advertising removed) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.86.101.15 (talk) 15:56, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

If you are just testing go to the WP:SANDBOX, if you want the article to be created go to Wikipedia:Articles for creation. (you might need some sources before it is created though) This page is for general questions about wikipedia. Have you got a specific question? Woodym555 16:11, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

It appears to be a submission for an article, rather than a Help Desk question. (The article would have been immediately deleted anyway if it had been submitted; see WP:CSD#G11 for the deletion reason, and WP:NPOV, WP:V, WP:SPAM and WP:CORP for some relevant project pages describing why such pages are deleted.) --ais523 16:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

adding something to your website

Good Afternoon,

How would I add something to your reference tool? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jstrouch (talk • contribs) 17:49, August 21, 2007 (UTC).

Can you be more specific about what you mean with reference tool? Maybe Wikipedia:How to edit a page and Wikipedia:Citing sources is of help. PrimeHunter

The < source > tag, what languages are available?

There is a 'source' tag that allows for automatic code formatting in mediawiki. How do I find out more about it? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 159.153.138.98 (talk) 18:15, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

See: mw:Extension:SyntaxHighlight GeSHi for details on the extension you may be talking about. To see exactly what extensions are available (i.e., installed) right now on the English Wikipedia, see: Special:Version. --Teratornis 01:19, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

content required

Good evening,

I am looking for the full english translation of Sergiei Yesenin 'Tavern Moscow'. They only page that seems to include is is Indopedia. However, I cannot get in because this requires to be registered. No registration page is available. Please help because I need the translation pretty badly. Sincerely yours Paulina Bartoszewska —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.151.115.16 (talk) 18:16, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

If you are indeed required to be reqistred, then prehaps the link on the left of its website labelled "Register" might help you? KTC 18:23, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Cross-references

Greetings!

Where exactly are the instructions on how to create a cross-reference to an existing entry, and how do i get to this information from the main screen? It unfortunately seems to be well hidden.

Thank you! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.161.38.2 (talk) 18:20, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

Help:Contents/Links KTC 18:25, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

help me enter new information on an existing page

Commandment Keepers How do I enter a new entry on the existing page. I placed my entry but it has been deleted. Please advise.

Zyisrael 18:22, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi there, I've had a look and I can't see any edits made you to wikipedia other than this one, we you logged in at the time? In order to ensure content you create doesn't get deleted you should follow the guidelines and make sure everything you write is citied or referenced. Andy^reply 18:25, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

It appears that you were trying to repeatedly add your email address to the page as contact information. The article is an encyclopedic description of Commandment Keepers, not a business card or MySpace page. That is why the other editors removed the email address. -- Kainaw^(what?) 18:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

uploading images

I have been putting up pictures that keep getting taken down. I have been putting up pictures from the Broadway In Chicago website that the company makes available to download. I thought that I was citing them correctly but do not really understand how to put up a copyright tag. Could someone explain the process of putting up an image with the correct copyright tag? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Julia1287 (talk • contribs) 18:36, August 21, 2007 (UTC).

You might want to talk to the person who deleted them, the user is Quadell (talk · contribs · logs). Hope that helps. --Tλε Rαnδom Eδιτor (tαlk) 19:26, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Restaraunts in Pismo

You mentened "Pea Soup Andersons" only in the links section and in steakhouses there is no Mention of "F. Mclintock's". If I decided to add these, do I have to get special permission from these places? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Droggo (talk • contribs) 18:40, August 21, 2007 (UTC).

I am not clear as to what you are asking. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 23:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

pictures

what can't i see picturess on the wikipedia pages anymore on my computer? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by John flamingo (talk • contribs) 18:46, August 21, 2007 (UTC).

Are you having the same problem as this previous questioner:

• Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2007 May 6#Problem with Images

--Teratornis 19:34, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Log out problem

After contributing, I log out. At the top, I see that I'm logged out. I go to another Wikipedia page, and I'm still logged out. I cycle off Firefox, and when I come back to Wikipedia, I'm still logged out. Great! But the next day when I go to Wikipedia, I'm logged in! What's going on? FTC Gerry 19:58, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

That's funny, that's about the exact opposite of what we usually get here. I would try clearing your browser's cache by pressing [CTRL+SHIFT+R] to make sure your browser isn't just reading a previous version of the page from when you were logged in. Also, when you log in, make sure that you leave the "Remember me" box unchecked. If all that doesn't work, Firefox allows you to clear all authenticated sessions by going to "Tools->Clear Private Data..." That should log you out of Wikipedia, as well as any other page you've recently logged in to. If even THAT doesn't work, I'm really not sure what's going on, unless you're editing in your sleep without knowing it. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 20:04, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Help with a template

Can someone help me with User:Lucid/lbox? I tried to use Template:NavigationBox as a reference, but as you can see, I've screwed it up pretty well. I need NavigationBox, but I also don't want it to stretch out my user page (you can see on my user page, I'm trying to keep everything around the same length as my infobox, if it goes full width it's below that, which eliminates the point) I'm sure that someone who's experienced with templates can just take a look at this, think "omfg noob" and take about ten seconds typing and it will all be well --lucid 19:58, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

It looks like you were combining table markup - {| and |} - with template markup - {{ and }} - as well as parts of two different templates: {{navbox}} and {{NavigationBox}}. I've fixed it all up for you. this link shows what changes I made. You can try using tables and templates some more in the sandbox. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 20:18, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

No, you put it back to being ruined. I can do that myself. I made it very clear that the entire reason I DON'T use the navbox is because it goes full page width. Please read posts on the HD before you try to step in and help --lucid 20:30, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I shrank the down using "width:30%". You can tweak the numbers to fit your infobox. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 20:53, August 21, 2007 (UTC).

Shrinking it isn't the problem, it needs to stretch to the edge of wherever it is, without making a new line. Look at the other templates on my user page--lucid 20:58, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Frederick Taylor University

Dear Editor-- While recently viewing the Wikipedia article regarding Frederick Taylor University, I stumbled upon many biased comments and assumptions. The information derived in the article from footnotes 4,5,6, and 7 are not specific to Frederick Taylor University and could be said about any non-accredited BPPVE approved institution in California. If these comments are to remain on the Frederick Taylor University article page, they should clearly be stated on the pages of all other BPPVE approved institutions as well. Thank you for your time and consideration. 70.137.149.248 20:11, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the Edit this page link at the top. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 20:15, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

old (public domain?) images question

Sorry for asking here, I've got going through dozens of pages on image help, image upload, etc and am lost as to where to ask/look - anyway;

I'm looking at this page and 3 images on it;

• firstly the map (published 1912 in the UK)
• the two logos below it.

Now I'm fairly confident i can claim fair use of non free media on the two logos (just like other rail transport logos of current train companies) - for use on London, Chatham and Dover Railway and South Eastern Railway (UK). The map would be great at South Eastern and Chatham Railway and maybe Transport in Kent although we do have Image:Kent Railways.svg.

Now the bits i get confused about are;

• where do i upload it to, en or commons?
• what copyright tags do i use
• does the fact a) I'm in the UK, b) the images are from the UK, c) the images have presumably been scanned in in the UK
• is fair use appropriate for the logos because of their age (ie out of copyright?)

thanks in advance Pickle 20:57, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

• Hi Pickle. You might be interested in looking at Google search for South Eastern and Chatham Railway Society. As for your image question, you upload images using Wikipedia:Upload, which will walk you through the steps. I prefer using Special:Upload. Basically, fair use images are uploaded from your computer harddrive into Wikipedia en. For fair use uploads, you have three things to add: 1. Source, 2. License, and 3. Detailed fair use statement. The source is a link to where you obtained the images on the Internet. The licenses can be found at List of image copyright tags. Logos are at logos. The detailed fair use statement basically is five or six items you need to state for the particular use. An example detailed fair use statement for logos can be found here. You can post a note at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Fair_use if you need help in formulating the detailed fair use statement. A good way to see how these are used is to look at other image pages. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 22:53, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Firstly thank you Jreferee for your assistance.

I've been through that and uploaded (to en, not commons) Image:London chatham and dover railway crest.jpg and Image:South eastern railway crest.jpg.

I'm still not sure if it really is a "non free" image, due to dates but i don't understand enough about it (see above questions re dates and UK copyright law). But have put both up under a fair use rationale and {{tl:Non-free logo|railroad logos}} (which i have seen elsewhere).

I'm still very confused about how to tackle the map (this file [here]), due to the copyright issues I've outlined, and I'm not aware of another example image on Wikipedia to see how the situation has been handled in the past. I'm dubious if it was still in copyright, that we could claim a fair use rationale for it, but if its out of copyright then it would be great to use.

Thanks in advance Pickle 04:20, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia's computers are in Florida, United States, so the Foundation usually goes by U.S. copyright law. {{PD-art-US}} is for images of works of art published in the United States prior to 1923. If the book showing the map was in the US prior to 1923, then that would seem to meet the published requirement. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 05:51, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

OK I've uploaded the map to Image:SECR 1912 from A&C Black.jpg, hope I've done all the tags correctly. Thanks once again for your help. Pickle 07:15, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Rebecca

This editor deleted a page and labeled it a dud even though I spent hours creating it and making sure it met Wikipedia guidelines. I have e-mailed Rebecca but in looking at her User Talk page it seems like she is a rogue editor unable to behave or to work well with other editors. Reading many of the entries convinced me that she is a huge problem for Wikipedia. Why is it that one editor can have a bad day and delete a page without asking for review of other editors?

The title of the page was Skilled Migration to Australia.

Bonnie —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tltfaas (talk • contribs) 21:07, August 21, 2007 (UTC).

The exact title was Skilled Migration To Australia with capital T in "To". See Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted for options. Rebecca has placed herself [23] in Category:Rouge admins which is clearly marked as humorous. PrimeHunter 21:57, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Move page request

ive just recently submitted a page onto wikipedia, firstly i made a mistake when typing the page heading as i forgot to make the first letter of the surname a capital, i writ 'Merveille lukeba' instead of 'Merveille Lukeba', could u possibly change that for me please.

Thank You. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hollywoodupdates (talk • contribs) 21:11, August 21, 2007 (UTC).

I've moved it for you. For future reference, you can do this yourself by clicking the "Move" tab at the top of the page. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 21:25, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Section 8

Please help me with section 8 ! My name is Vonnie Purcell I'm 56 years old I've been Disable for 11 years. I have fined a place to move to. The man is asking to be put on Section 8 for his home, how do I do that? We have to be out of this condo by the 1st of Sept. Is there any way that you can help me Please !!Vonnie Purcell —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.160.117.51 (talk) 21:14, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I'm afraid we can only offer help with using Wikipedia, and are unable to give legal advice. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 21:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

ask at reference desk--Pheonix (talk) 21:25, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikitable background Pattern

Is there a way to put a background pattern in a wikitable like it is a Microsoft excel cell? If so, where is a menu of patterns?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:16, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

login in different languages

As a regular user, I sometimes make minor improvements to both en.wikipedia.org and nl.wikipedia.org. Recently I made a login so I don't need to go on with anonymous edits. I can login to en.wikipedia.org but nl.wikipedia.org does not recognize my account. Do I do something wrong or do I need a separate account for each language? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Joris nl (talk • contribs) 21:35, August 21, 2007 (UTC).

You need a separate account for each language. PrimeHunter 21:37, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

See also m:SUL to see what progress is being made towards doing this automatically. Confusing Manifestation 22:55, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Found then lost

I recently "stumbled" onto a page of 'ATLAS BY COUNTRY' links and cn now not find it. I believe it was in "commons"?

Please tell me url if you know.

Many thanx, Elefuntz 21:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Atlas_by_country. PrimeHunter 22:02, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

George Clooney EL

Could some editors please add their comments to the discussion going on the George Clooney page? I have deleted Clooney Studio from the EL section for copyright violations (displaying pictures and videos without the copyright holders' permission), and they[24] continue to readd it. Wikipedia's policy states to delete any fansites that contain copyrighted material that doesn't belong to the webmaster. Clearly, this site does, and the webmaster even admits to it on the Talk page. There has been an ongoing discussion in regards to another fansite that was deleted as an external link on the grounds of copyright violatings, and this site fits the same bill. -- 68.45.69.184 (talk · contribs · logs) 21:41, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

This might be better addressed at WP:AN. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 21:48, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I added a note to the talk page. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 22:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

becoming a participant in discussions

I would like very much to become a part of the discussion board for other individuals such as me who suffer from Thrombocytopenia (TTP), can someone please help me and let me know what to do? This is what I originally typed. Thank you so much for your cooperation into this matter. Sincerely, Cindy B. <email removed for security> Cinsela 22:03, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a discussion forum, so we don't offer counseling services for people who suffer from diseases. You are welcome to help participate in discussions on how to improve the article on Thrombocytopenia, however, which take place on that article's talk page. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi Cindy. Wikipedia generally does not have discussion boards for such things. I looked through Category:Wikipedians by condition, but did not see one for blood disorders. Dr.michael.benjamin and Jordanawell have many posts to the Thrombocytopenia article and may know of such a discussion board. You might try contacting them on their talk page. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 22:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Click here for a thrombocytopenia support group. This is the only one I was able to locate.--Fuhghettaboutit 22:48, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Need a template

An editor has IMO misread a source he cites. I also have concerns about the nature of the source. I've raised this on the talk page -- Talk:Zheng He#Tamil Muslims -- but would like to know how to flag the sentence. {{fact}} doesn't do it, because there is a footnote. I'd like to flag the sentence as disputed, possibly a misinterpretation of the source, that kind of thing. I don't intend to flag the whole section. -- Rob C. alias Alarob 22:26, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

You'll want to use {{Verify credibility}}, {{syn}}, or {{verify source}}. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:30, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar page formatting

I am having formatting problems at User:TonyTheTiger/Barnstars with my "Barnstar of Diligence".--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 22:50, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

You had some extra <tr><td>...</tr></td> tags. Removing those fixed the problem. - SigmaEpsilon → ΣΕ 23:02, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:57, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Creating Articles

How do you create an articleShortycrack 23:41, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

See Help:Starting a new page. You might also want to take a look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article. Andy^reply 23:49, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

How Do I Remove a Stub to Create an Article?

I found a stub article. I added to it. I saved. Next day.. I removed the stub template tag, saved it, and searched. It still comes up as a stub, not an article. Am I being too impatient? I just created my user name about 24 hours ago... do I have to wait to have permissions or for it to become a full article? 65.212.242.132 23:43, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

On average it takes about 30hours for changes to show up on the search system for various performance reasons. Andy^reply 23:52, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

This is the only edit by your IP address. What is the title? If it has no stub template then it isn't considered a stub. You can edit with your account right away. PrimeHunter 23:55, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

WP:CSD#R3

Resolved

 – Andy^reply 00:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[25]. Deletable under WP:CSD#R3 or no? I think not because it redirects from the template space to the user space, but I'm not 100% sure. ~ Wikihermit 23:51, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Resolved in IRC - Page is being listed for WP:AFD Andy^reply 00:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

RfD rather :-). ~ Wikihermit 00:42, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

August 22

Requesting images

Can you tell me how to request an image? Tina Armstrong article has no image above her profile.

Add {{reqphoto}} to the talk page. Also, please don't use {{helpme}} on the help desk. Thanks, --Werdan7^{T @} 00:59, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Also see the links under:

• User:John Broughton/Editor's Index to Wikipedia#Ima

specifically:

• Needed pictures:
  • Wikipedia:Fromowner documentation - inserting a request for an image into an article
  • Wikipedia:Requested pictures
  • Wikipedia:Photo Matching Service
  • Category:Wikipedia requested photographs

--Teratornis 01:02, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I am a professional writer

I believe there is a fundamental disconnect between Wikipedia and people like me, and I will sum it up by simply saying that I have spent quite a bit of time and energy improving your site (that is, your business venture) through the years, but have received no recompense whatsoever. Zippo. Not even a thank-you card. What is worse, it seems that the site is becoming less user-friendly than ever for good writers to make substantive improvements. 64.39.136.55 01:34, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your efforts, past, present and (I hope) future. Wikipedia is managed by a non-profit organization and is created through the efforts of thousands of volunteer editors. No tangible compensation will be forthcoming, other than whatever personal satisfaction you might derive from contributing (similar to any other volunteer activity). If you haven't read Wikipedia:Overview FAQ in a while, you might want to read it again (feel free to improve it while you're there). -- Rick Block (talk) 02:02, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

• Wikipedia isn't a business venture. You're not supposed to get compensation for your contributions. —Dark•Shikari^[T] 02:11, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

In fact, if you are a great contributor, you'll likely get your fair share of complaints. I've been called many nasty things and I'm barely a good contributor, nothing great. -- Kainaw^(what?) 02:35, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

If you create an account, you might get some Wikipedia:Awards or Barnstars on your user talk page, not that they have any real value in terms of cash money. However, if most of your edits are to articles, you might have to work pretty hard to get noticed. Accolades seem to flow more freely between Metapedians, if I may safely generalize from my personal sample of one (yeah, that's hardly statistically valid). For example, if you answer several hundred questions on the Help desk, somebody might say thanks. Obviously, the reward on Wikipedia is unlikely to be external. Those who knock themselves out here do so primarily for the enjoyment they get by contributing to the greatest online collaborative project around. To me, Wikipedia is more than merely an attempt to build a free online encyclopedia, it's a chance to take a deep inside look at a stunningly ingenious system for organizing the efforts of millions of physically remote unpaid volunteers and educating them all from scratch with no formal classroom training. Imagine that a time machine sent you back to 1997 and you tried to tell people about the Wikipedia that would exist in 2007. The more details you could describe, the more ridiculous you would sound to them. Nobody back then would be able to believe that a vast horde of unpaid volunteers could actually produce the scope and quality (admittedly uneven, but steadily improving) that you see here today. I don't know about you, but the astonishment I feel from seeing the seemingly impossible coming true every day hasn't really worn off yet. I guess after a few years I might start to feel jaded, and become a Deletionist or something. But for now the thrill is not yet gone, at least for me. Seriously, though, learning how Wikipedia does its thing could have practical benefits, for example, if someone wanted to organize a successful corporate wiki. People who learn to organize people on Wikipedia could probably organize people to do just about anything. Including a number of things that eventually do result in cash money, if that's how you want to roll. --Teratornis 03:53, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

First, welcome and thank you for interest and sincerity. Second, I too am a professional writer and I had my intial doubts. But like anything worth doing, and doing well, Wikipedia is not easy. There is a learning curve, and the system of operations writers in the professional world know is quite different (to say the least) from the "wiki-world". I encourage you to work through the tough and often frustrating parts for a while and focus on the pure, positive results Wikipedia can provide. Think of that time you logged on to read about the latest scandal or Harry Potter, and ended up learning about South African geopolitics or the Tang Dynasty. Honestly, as to the idea of "recompense", there is a bias towards users with accounts. If you sign up for an account, then the chances of receiving thanks in many forms is a near guarantee. Also, please note that Wikipedia is run by the Wikimedia Foundation, a U.S. non-profit, and is not a capitalist venture. VanTucky ^(talk) 05:30, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

suggest time and date in outward bound school?

hi there.. I don not know if how will i know how to find a suggested time and date if you go to outward bound sabah.. can you help me?.. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.48.132.129 (talk)

Outward Bound provides the website Outward Bound (Sabah) Malaysia. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 05:10, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Summer sleep name

Some animals sleep in winter and some sleep in summer. What is the summer sleep called? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.96.33.150 (talk) 05:21, August 22, 2007 (UTC)

• Estivation. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 05:30, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

You may want to check the reference desk in the future for general knowledge questions. The Help Desk (this page) specializes in questions about Wikipedia and help using Wikipedia, whereas general questions generally belong in the appropriate Ref Desk category. Just for future reference ^^ Keakealani 07:41, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Site not formatting correctly in Palm Smartphone

Hi,

I have a Palm Treo 650. The web browser is palmOne Blazer 4.0.

Blazer displays the Wikipedia one word per line. To illustrate, here's how the previous line would look:

    Blazer
    displays
    the
    Wikipedia
    one
    word
    per
    line.

On the screen, the left vertical menu is normal. Anything text in a chart is normal.

Wikipedia is the only website that this happens to. I have had the phone for almost three years, and 99% of its use it for is web browsing, so I've been to a lot of websites on it.

Is there a way to get Wikipedia to look "normal" on in Blazer?

Thanks!

Paul —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Paulb104 (talk • contribs) 06:08, August 22, 2007 (UTC).

See comments on (your talk page. Astronaut 13:01, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Help creating a new page

My name is Sean Fetherston and I am trying to start the encyclopedia page for my late father, Brian Lloyd Fetherston. He was a famous American artist. I would like the right to have his name appear exactly as, Brian Lloyd Fethertson. I noticed that the name has already been reserved, but this might be for a different individual? Please help.

Thank you,

Sean Fetherston —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 123bluespirit (talk • contribs) 07:27, August 22, 2007 (UTC).

I'm not sure what you mean by "reserved" - articles either exist or they don't, you can't reserve an article. On the vein of creating your article, I would suggest you have someone else start the article - not only does it verify notability, but it helps prevent original research. It's not a problem if your father actually is notable, but it's something to be aware of. Keakealani 07:39, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Newdegate Machinery Field Days - Western Australia

Hi guys, Peter Walker from the Newdegate machinery field days. I noticed that you had our old websites address on your site could you please change it to www.nfday.com.au thanks . Peter Walker Any problems please contact me email address removed —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.154.24.147 (talk)

Thanks for your suggestion. When you believe an article needs improvement, please feel free to change it. You can edit almost any article on Wikipedia by just following the Edit link at the top of the page. We encourage you to be bold in updating pages, because wikis like ours develop faster when everybody edits. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. You can always preview your edits before you publish them or test them out in the sandbox. If you need additional help, check out our getting started page or ask the friendly folks at the Teahouse. -- Kainaw^(what?) 02:44, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

What exactly is a revert?

I've read the definition of a revert:

"...in the context of the English Wikipedia three revert rule, a revert is defined... as any change to an article that partially or completely goes back to any older version of an article."[26]

So if X adds to the article, "Joe is a leading biochemist," and Y deletes that addition, Y has done a clear revert. But if X then tries again with a different phrase, "Joe is a well-known biochemist," or simply, "Joe is a biochemist," is that a revert? It doesn't take the article back to a previous state, but it does restore several deleted words. Is that "partially [going] back to [an] older version" or not?

It seems to me that if X's second try is considered to be a revert (un-revert) of Y, then it is going to be very hard to work out compromise wordings without accidentally reverting and potentially getting in trouble for 3RR violations. Am I missing something?

What if X tags an article "accuracy disputed," and Y deletes that tag. Y has done a revert, right? Now supposed that at some time in the future, editor Z, who doesn't know that the article was ever tagged, adds an "accuracy disputed" tag. Is that a revert?

Or supposed that X tries again to tag the article, but with a different tag, say "neutrality disputed" (instead of "accuracy disputed"). Can adding a tag which has never before been in an article be considered to be a revert, if a different tag was in the article sometime in the past?

I've searched quite a bit, but not found an answer. If this is covered somewhere and I just missed it, please forgive me. Thanks! 71.70.174.217 08:56, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

• It seems to be a little subjective, but the policy indicates that "An editor does not have to perform the same revert on a page more than three times to breach this rule; all reverts made by an editor on a particular page within a 24 hour period are counted". --Old Moonraker 09:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Try thinking of it this way: A revert is something you do when you deliberately (for whatever reason) remove the contributions of an editor before you. If you go to a page, and find the last editor left a big line of swear words, you would use the "rollback" option, or the "Undo" option. Those are both "reverts" in the context of your actions. You're reverting the changes of the person before you. What the policy is talking about is you reverting any changes 3 times, regardless of the content or the person you're reverting. You're basically denying them the ability to add information, by continually rolling back their work. (Not you, but the hypothetical person engaging in a 3RR.)

Now, if the editor you reverted comes back, and makes a genuine addition to the article, after you've reverted their previous obnoxious edit, their edit is not considered a revert, that's considered a contribution, because it is assisting, not hindering. However, if they simply "undo" or "rollback" your reversion of their earlier work, restoring their work, that is considered a revert. (Hope that makes sense, sounds better in my head! )

While this is a simplified way to explain it, it covers nearly all of the reasons you'll hear the word "revert" on Wikipedia: It is removing someone's edit, for whatever reason, but if it is for a valid reason, (i.e. vandalism) as long as you fill out the edit summary box, explaining your actions, there should be no problem If something you're reverting is obvious vandalism, that's not going to get you a 3RR notice, because you are keeping vandalism off the article (and I mean obvious, like cursing, racial slurs, rude pictures, personal attacks, etc.). If you've reverted someone for those actions four times, and you've notified them on their talk page that their actions are not appropriate, asking them to stop three + times, then you can report them to WP:AIV following the instructions there. But be sure they're genuinely vandalizing, that's not for reporting things like content disputes, or spelling errors, or anything of that nature. If you're interested in the Recent Changes side of Wikipedia, helping to assist with vandalism, I would be more than happy to give you a resource that covers the things to know before you start, how to warn users, what's considered vandalism, etc. Feel free to drop me a note on my talk page and I'll give you the link.

What if X tags an article "accuracy disputed," and Y deletes that tag. Y has done a revert, right?

Yes.

Now supposed that at some time in the future, editor Z, who doesn't know that the article was ever tagged, adds an "accuracy disputed" tag. Is that a revert?

No, if they did not use the "rollback" or "undo", and had no idea the tag had been placed there, that's a contribution. Now, if user Y then deletes editor Z's tag, that's a revert. He's again reverting that change.

Technically, there are situations where you may be in the 3RR area, without the reverting of the same person repeatedly, but for the purposes of your question, I wouldn't really stress it. Just the fact that you're asking what it is, would tell me you're not someone who is about to go around edit warring people.

Just think of it like math. Revert is subtraction. Anything you're taking away that someone before you did. Edits and contributions are additions. Anything you're adding to (or augmenting) an article, to improve it, is a contribution. (Of course, some contributions remove information, such as when you condense overly long articles, but you're not just "rolling back" the edits of another user, you're contributing information to improve the article.)

Sorry for the verbosity, but I hope that helps you understand! Ciao, ^Ariel♥Gold 09:07, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much, ArielGold & Old Moonraker!

So, in my first example above, if X adds to the article, "Joe is a leading biochemist," and Y deletes that addition, and X then tries again with a different phrase, like "Joe is a well-known biochemist," or simply, "Joe is a biochemist," has X done a revert? My guess is "no, it is not a revert." Am I right?

But suppose that X tried again to add the exact same phrase to the article: "Joe is a leading biochemist," after Y had reverted/deleted it. ArielGold, you said that reverting is like subtraction, but wouldn't this be an example in which an addition is a revert?

But, if so, what about this case? Suppose that X tries to add a slightly larger snippet of text to the article, which includes the phrase, "Joe is a leading biochemist." Perhaps it is the sentence, "Joe is a leading biochemist, specializing in peptides." Y reverts it and in the edit summary says that though Joe is a biochemist, he's not a "leading" biochemist. So X tries again, and adds almost the same snippet, but deletes the word "leading" to address the objection. The modified sentence is "Joe is a biochemist, specializing in peptides." Has X done a revert (regardless of his intent)? It doesn't resemble "subtraction," but several words that Y deleted are now back in the article. Does that make it a revert?

Similarly, in my second example, what if X tags an article "accuracy disputed," and Y deletes that tag, and X then tries again to tag the article, but with a different tag, say "neutrality disputed" instead of "accuracy disputed." Can adding a different tag be considered to be a revert?

Ciao, 71.70.174.217 10:33, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Now I'm getting out of my "comfort zone" of wikipedia knowledge, but removing legitimate tags (or indeed adding unjustified tags) without dealing with the problem can be a form of vandalism (abuse of tags) and therefore wouldn't count. The practical answer is to sort it out on the talk page, along the lines of your illustrative edit summaries: it's the same, but you do it before rather than after the edit! Best. --Old Moonraker 13:11, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Basically, I think that you're really over-analyzing it. In the context of people using the word "revert" here on Wikipedia, 99% of the time it means to "rollback" or "undo" a previous person's contribution, for whatever reason. (Most usually done in cases of vandalism, but also happens during edit wars.)

Don't get hung up on the vernacular, if you have a legitimate reason to revert someone's changes (i.e. "undo" their contribution, without typing anything into the article yourself), then do it, such as finding vandalism. If someone is removing valid tags from articles, feel free to revert them after you verify that the tag is still needed. If an "unreferenced" tag is on a page, and someone goes and adds in some valid references, they are free to remove the tag when they are finished. So be sure that they didn't simply fix the problem before you replace the tag.

Don't sweat the small stuff. You're obviously concerned about doing things correctly, and that's a good thing, but you're also worrying about things that probably won't end up bing a big deal; if you have come here to ask what reverts/3RR are, then I would doubt you're about to engage in an edit war, lol. Just don't revert additions that you personally don't agree with. If they are sourced, if the source cited is reliable, and if it is written neutrally, then there's no reason to remove it. If you see someone engaging in an edit war, or if someone else is continually removing your contributions, with no explanation, (and again I stress the need for using the edit summary for all edits, no matter how small) then go to their talk page, and ask them nicely to stop removing your edits, and request they discuss any issues they may have with the additions you've made on the article's talk page. 9 times out of 10 that will get the lines of discussion going and the issue can be discussed, rather than simply reverted over and over. Hope that helps, ^Ariel♥Gold 22:26, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Please forgive my persistence. Let me offer a concrete example.

Editor X removes a {{pov}} tag from a long controversial biographical article.

Has X committed tag vandalism?

Editor Y then adds a {{TotallyDisputed-section}} tag.

Has Y done a revert?

Thanks! 71.70.174.217 13:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

This should answer your question:

If the POV tag is under dispute (some believe the article is POV, others do not), what X did would be more like edit warring than vandalism

In the technical definition, no, Y did not do a revert. However, this would, in any discussions about a possible 3RR violation or edit warring, be considered a revert. The totally-disputed tag still disputes neutrality like the POV tag does. Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 13:27, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

C & P move

Hi. What is a C&P move when an admin moves a page without discussion in WP:Requested moves. Thanks Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 10:00, 22 August 2007 (UTC) Sorry let me rephrase the question to make it clearer. Why is it that some admins move possibly controversial titles listed in requested moves with no discussion? Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 10:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)Tbo ¹⁵⁷talk 10:40, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

10 main pages?

What's the purpose of having 10 copies of the main page? [27] -- Outspan [talk · contribs] 10:54, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

It means that a compromised admin account would need to unprotect eleven pages in order to affect the main page. --Cherry blossom tree 11:08, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Redirects

Is it acceptable to create a redirect from the adjective to the related noun? Also, is there a fast way of making wikilinks with plurals like this: [[word]]s that works also with word ending with "y" without having to pipeline it? -- Outspan [talk · contribs] 10:58, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it's a good thing to create any redirect that people might actually search for. If you wikilink any part of a word then the whole word turns into a link, so if that's possible with a word then you can do that. There's no way to do it with more complex forms, though, since English isn't sufficiently standardised. --Cherry blossom tree 11:16, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

So, one could potentially combine the two things and wikilink an adjective (without pipelining) relying on its redirect to the noun? But I guess that's just a bad practice; I'm not going to do this, I'm just curious. Also, where are redirect pages discussed? Can they be deleted even if the article to which they point isn't deleted? What is the appropriate space for discussing creation/deletion of such redirect pages? thanks -- Outspan [talk · contribs] 12:00, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Redirects are created without discussion, but I suppose you could suggest it on the target talk page if you anticipate a problem. See Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion for deletion of redirects. It's common to link to a redirect although a direct link is preferred in most situations. Avoid double redirects. PrimeHunter 13:00, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

overwriting article; is this a candidate for RPP?

In vandalism patrol, I've come across an article, Aswamedham, that is being consistently overwritten with a similarly named topic. The first time, I restored the old article and requested on Talk:Aswamedham that the contents not be overwritten. I also gave detailed instructions for starting a new page; even for moving the old one if they felt their "Aswamedham" was more notable than the existing one. (Hard to say, since neither article offers any sourcing whatsoever.) The second time it happened, I left a note at the page of the registered editor who overwrote the article with the same request and instructions. This is day 3. Overwriting editor overwrote again; another editor added more. Nothing has been written on the discussion page about it. I've never encountered this sort of situation before. Would one request page protection for the page? Begin warning the editor for page blanking or unconstructive edits? Invite mediation? This a new one in my Wikipedia experience, and I would be grateful for guidance. --Moonriddengirl 12:50, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

• Don't have an answer for you, but I've put the page on my watchlist. The new material is probably spam. AndyJones 13:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to hear other people's opinions, but my first thought is that you go ahead and make the existing page into a disambiguation page by moving it to something like Aswamedham (TV show). Then you edit the redirect into the disambiguation page, create a new page called something like Aswamedham (newspaper) and post the text they keep trying to overwrite there, using a descriptive edit summary noting where the text came from to comply with the GFDL. Note that in writing this, I have not studied the pages to see whether the subjects appear inappropriate to have areticles at all. Little use disambiguating that which will be deleted soon after through some process.--Fuhghettaboutit 13:06, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I would happily launch a new page for them, but I can't find any third party reliable sources for their newspaper. They may be out there, but Malayalam is Greek to me. :) --Moonriddengirl 13:14, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Overwrite #4. I've reverted it again. I've decided to hold to the blanking policy, which mentions "removing all or significant parts of pages, or replacing entire established pages with one's own version without first gaining consensus." I gave the guy a kind of cobbled level 1 warning at his talk page, with a specific offer to help him start a new page if he can provide verification. If he persists (and persists in offering me absolutely no response), I suppose I'll escalate warnings per policy. --Moonriddengirl 03:34, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

wiki hostels free listing

About wiki hostels- i really tried to list our hostel there but there is no such a link to do it. How to list my hostel in wiki hostels? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Haloe (talk • contribs) 14:07, August 22, 2007 (UTC).

Please see external links. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 17:27, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Making a page for a family member.

We are supposed to make a wiki page for school on our family members or ourselves. How do i start my own page? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GiovanniPetersen (talk • contribs) 14:36, August 22, 2007 (UTC).

Go to a wiki which allows this type of material and explore there. This is list of Wikis which you might provide you a place to start. You may not post pages on your family members on this site, as Wikipedia (a particular wiki) is an encyclopedia, and is thus only the place for material that is verifiable through citation to reliable independent sources such as newspapers, magazines and books, We also have a prohibition against people writing about themselves and people they know as that presents a conflict of interest. This goes hand in hand with our policy that material must be written from a neutral point of view, which is very hard to achieve when the writer is not at some remove from the subject being written about. If you write such articles here they are likely to be deleted within a short time after posting.--Fuhghettaboutit 14:56, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

That school project seems to misunderstand the puropse of Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a blog, webspace provider, social networking, or memorial site and such pages probably will get deleted. Unless that is the lesson your teacher is seeking to convey, you might want to suggest to your teacher a better school project, such as creating a Wikipedia page for a historical figure who does not yet have a Wikipedia page. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 17:19, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Clear Watchlist

Hey. If I click 'Clear Watchlist' will it delete all the pages on my watchlist or will it just delete the log of changes? Thanks. (Oh if it just deletes the log, do most people clear it when they have read through the changes so they know which ones are new when the next look at watchlist). Thanks  Tiddly Tom  16:35, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

It removes all the pages from your watchlist. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 17:05, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Thats annoying :(  Tiddly Tom  19:01, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

names of God

What are the different names of God written in the Bible? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.215.120.53 (talk) 17:16, August 22, 2007 (UTC)

This is the help desk, for inquiries about Wikipedia. You probably want the humanities reference desk. Veinor ^{(talk to me)} 17:18, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

This google search might help. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 17:24, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

You could start by reading the Yahweh article and following links from it. Also see:

• Category:Names of God
• Category:Names of God in Judaism

--Teratornis 18:27, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Finding an item in OTRS

As someone not otherwise involved in the OTRS system, I once used Wikipedia:OTRS to get an OTRS number that was missing from its corresponding article filled out; however, it seems that the page has been repurposed.

Right now, I'm hoping to find whether proper permission has been obtained and archived with regards to the contents of one particular article. What would be the current procedure for doing so? (Unfortunately, Wikipedia:Confirmation of permission is merely a redirect that provides no information on actual confirmation.) –Unint 18:25, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

workbook on stopping smoking

could you please help me source a workbook on stopping smoking i can use for my stopping smoking campaign —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.159.87.122 (talk) 19:01, August 22, 2007 (UTC)

The help desk is for questions about using Wikipedia - you might like to look at Smoking cessation as a starting point however, and from personal experience I can recommend the series of books by Allen Carr/ Giles Bennett ^{(Talk, Contribs)} 19:28, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Accents / special characters -- searchability

I recently created a new article for Tr'ochek, a heritage site near Dawson City, Yukon.

The correct spelling for the place is actually Tr’ochëk (note accent on the "e"). When I created the article, I did not use the accent. When the article was published to Wikipedia, the accent "magically" appeared in the article's title. How did this happen?

Accents also seem to affect your search function. Type in Tr'ochek (no accent) and you get a "No page with that title exists" message. I assume that most Wiki users won't enter special characters when conducting a search.

How do you normally deal with special characters in article titles? 207.189.243.118 20:13, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Special characters. --Silver Edge 20:26, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Can't access new account

Yesterday I created an account with username "orrice" specifying password (strong, but including a space in the middle) and email account. I then was unable to log on to this account, with "incorrect password or confirmation code" message. Today I tried again, with same result. I asked for a new password, but the error message said there was no email address associated with orrice. I then created a new account with the same username, password, and email. Again I couldn't log in--same error message. I then asked for a new password, same result as yesterday. What am I doing wrong?

Since I don't know how to reach the Help Desk page, please let me know so I can read your reply.

70.20.174.126 —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 20:30, August 22, 2007 (UTC).

ExtraWP help (Firefox search engine plug in need)

This is an odd request. I would like to add the Encyclopedia of Chicago search engine plug in to my Firefox browser so that I can better serve WP:CHICAGO as its director. I don't know how to create it at http://mycroft.mozdev.org/ Can someone help me out.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 21:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I'll take a look at this --h2g2bob (talk) 23:46, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I've added it here using their nifty form. --h2g2bob (talk) 00:35, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:22, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Internal co-linking possible?

Hi everyone. Just made a small addition to the "Structure" sub-heading 0f the Odyssey article. I mentioned the fact that the in media res style was later also used by Alexander Pope and, on searching, noticed that, whilst there was an article on his mock-heroic style, there were no references to the equally-common synonynmous label of "mock-epic". Do you consider this important and, if so, is it possible to link the two terms to 'point' to the explicating artucle on mock-heroic? Tamsyn 23:17, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I added your post to the Odyssey talk page since it may receive a better answer there. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 23:32, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Reverting vandalism

When I revert someone's edits, how do I identify it as vandalism? Is there a button that I need to click? Or do I type it into the edit summary box? Thanks. Oidia (talk) 23:38, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

See Help:Reverting. --Silver Edge 23:59, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Legal ramifications of using an image

Alright, I want to take this image and make a stencil out of it, and then make a couple band t-shirts, and sell them for a profit. What are the legal ramifications of this? I'm not sure I understand the creative commons' stand on profiting for freely distributable works. thanks!! - 75.71.2.93 00:27, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

That Rock dove image is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike 2.5 License. In short: you are free to share and make derivative works of the file under the conditions that you appropriately attribute it, and that you distribute it only under a license identical to one provided. See official license for the official license. Although the help desk cannot answer the legal aspects of your question, there are many business lawyers who should be able to help you understand how your business proposal fits within the the creative commons' stand on profiting for freely distributable works. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 00:46, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

From the image description, the author has the web site: http://www.naturespicsonline.com/ which has an email address on it. Why not drop the person a line? You could probably sort out some kind of deal. --h2g2bob (talk) 01:02, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

let's paint tv was deleated a few days ago...

Let's Paint TV Search string: (

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Let's Paint Tv was deleated a few days ago. I am not the author but the artist himself, John Kilduff of Let's Paint TV. I have had hundreds of viewers to the page and I was surprised that someone questioned it's appeal to society. What can I do to get it back up? I am sure I could drum up my fan base if needed. Thanks John —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Letspainttv (talk • contribs) 00:31, August 23, 2007 (UTC).

Let's Paint TV (cache) was deleted through proposed deletion - someone suggested it, and nobody disagreed. Wikipedia only accepts articles about things which have "received significant coverage [from] reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject" - the notability criteria. If this is the case, make a request at deletion review to undelete the page. --h2g2bob (talk) 00:52, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi John. Let's Paint TV was deleted because the article contained no independent reliable source material. Before you go through the effort to ask that the article be restored, please keep in mind that Wikipedia articles should be composed of reliable source material that is independent of you or Let's Paint TV. Has your TV show been covered by any newspapers (even alternative newspapers), books, etc.? If not, then it is unlikely that the article will be restored. If so, then you should list those in your deletion review request to have the article restored. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 00:59, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Since this Let's Paint TV was deleted through PROD, a request for reconsideration will result in its restoration. It will also probably be immediately sent to AfD, so any sources that might indicate its notability would have to be added very quickly, otherwise the delete opinions will quickly swamp the discussion. Dsmdgold 02:06, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

If there comes a deletion debate for the article then please don't "drum up" your fan base. That would be against Wikipedia:Sockpuppets#Meatpuppets. PrimeHunter 01:09, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi again John. I asked Dsmdgold to restore John Kilduff. See this thread. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 01:35, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi John. I asked MastCell to restore Let's Paint TV. See this thread. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 02:25, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Removing tags from page after references included

Hello, one of my pages was tagged due to lack of references. I added references tonight, but noticed the page is still coming up as tagged. Can you tell me how to remove the tag warning? Thanks so much in advance for our help! The page is William C Rhodes. Thanks so much in advance for your help. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jesscubes (talk • contribs) 00:32, August 23, 2007 (UTC).

Once the article has been edited to resolve whatever problem the cleanup tag is talking about, you can just remove it yourself. Cleanup tags are placed at the very top of the article (or section, if they only apply to part of the article), and look like this: {{Unreferenced}}. I've removed the references for you, but the article has severe neutrality issues and borders on spam, so I've put up a new cleanup tag for that. Sorry. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 01:12, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Archiving

Yes so how does one archive a discussion page? --LtWinters 01:29, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

It's as easy as copy-and-paste. See Help:Archiving a talk page. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 01:38, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Embedding Google maps in Wikipedia pages

Is it possible to embed a Google map in a Wikipedia page? This would be a great way to enhance articles about places and/or subjects relating to a specific locality.

Thanks! ThreeKings 02:17, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

No. Not only does the required HTML tag not work in Mediawiki, Google Maps are copyrighted and thus not compatible with Wikipedia's licensing. We do provide coordinates, which can be copied and pasted into Google Earth if people have it. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 01:36, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

See: mw:Extension:Google Maps which runs on the MediaWiki software that powers Wikipedia, but it's not installed here (see Special:Version for a list of installed extensions). --Teratornis 01:58, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your swift and accurate answer. How about a Google Maps "My Maps" map ... i.e. a map that I've customised? Is that any different to using a stock Google Map or is the copyright issue still there? For example, see the external link at the end of Knox Basketball Inc. Thanks! 3K ThreeKings 02:17, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

You created a derivative work which still would violate Google's copyright in the underlying map. The folks at Wikipedia:WikiProject Maps might be able to give you direct assistance. However, if the answer is too slow in comming, try Golbez, Kmusser, Astrokey44, or MapMaster. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 02:41, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Your answer makes perfect sense. I don't think there's any other way around this so I'll just stick with my external link. Thanks again for the advice. 3K ThreeKings 05:52, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

how to make wiki

how do you make a wiki about a new topic —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.244.23.45 (talk) 01:53, August 23, 2007 (UTC)

You want to create a new article? Visit Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:Introduction. Sancho 01:55, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

If you actually want to create a wiki (as opposed to merely starting a new page on an existing wiki), see: b:Wiki Science/How to start a wiki. But first, check WikiIndex to see if a wiki already exists on your topic. --Teratornis 02:04, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

A silly question about signatures...

Hey, I've got a question about signatures; I'm trying to customize mine own (code printed below), but am having trouble. When I paste it in the signature box under my preferences and click raw signature I get an error message that says, "Invalid raw signature; check HTML tags." What am I doing wrong? Thanks, --Rise Above the Vile 02:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC) [[User talk:Rise Above the Vile|<big><big><b><font face="rage italic" color ="lightgreen">Rise <font color ="green">Above <font color ="darkgreen">The <font color="black">Vile</font></b></big></big>]]

The problem is caused by opening up four font tags and only closing one. Try this:

[[User talk:Rise Above the Vile|<font face="rage italic" size="16pt" weight="bold"><font color="lightgreen">Rise </font><font color="green">Above </font><font color="darkgreen">The </font><font color="black">Vile</font></font>]]

Warning: There is a character limit, and that may not fit. Come back if it doesn't. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 02:18, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Also note that you'll get a slew of complaints if you use big text in a signature. -- Kainaw^(what?) 02:50, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Adding Link

I don't want to sound childish but there's a link I'd like to add but other users keep deleting it. its not a spam link its a fan website that i made myself. and I worked hard on it —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BlackFrostFan (talk • contribs) 02:15, August 23, 2007 (UTC).

You may be interested in reading WP:EL. Dismas|^(talk) 02:22, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

If you made the site yourself, Conflict of interest might be good reading as well. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 02:27, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Is this the link? There is an official link which I added to the article. If you can get Florida Championship Wrestling to make your site the official fan site, you might be able to add the link to the article. On looking into the matter, the article states Florida Championship Wrestling started in mid-2007, but this link shows a Florida Championship Wrestling in 1999.-- Jreferee ^(Talk) 02:59, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually that official site belongs to the original promotion from the National Wrestling Alliance. It has no connection with the development territory started by World Wrestling Entertainment.-- bulletproof ^3:16 03:53, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

A couple notes…

I have noticed that several articles about people used to, but no longer, have images at the top of the infobox. Is there a reason for this? A reply may be posted either here or on my talk page (link is in my signature). A list of such people can be found here. Also, is there a general talk page anywhere in Wikipedia? If there is, please link to it in your reply. - Hallpriest9 (Talk | Archive) 01:52, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

At an educated guess, I would say that most of those now-missing images were under a claim of fair use, and were deleted because pictures of people aren't generally considered to be irreplaceable. Since anyone can take a picture of a person and release it under a free license, copyrighted images of people are usually deleted. I've got a more in-depth explanation here which I gave for my adoptee earlier today.

As for your second question, I'm not really sure, sorry. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 03:30, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

They changed how they enforced template:Non-free promotional, which disqualified many promotional images. I had a two such promotional images uploaded. This one was not replaceable since the image was from the company while he was in the company (and no longer is there). This one was replaceable. I let both be deleted. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 03:35, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

process plant

why we are iso butane as a carrier in poly ethylene process instead of n-butane. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.148.96.68 (talk) 03:33, August 23, 2007 (UTC)

could you please tell me why we are using iso-butane as a carrier in the poly ethylen process instead of n-butane. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.148.96.68 (talk) 03:36, August 23, 2007 (UTC)

Two sites that might help you are google search. Also try Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Science. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 04:13, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

reporting personal attack

where and how should i report personal attacks.User talk:Yousaf465 04:02, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Try here WP:WQA. -- Sethie 04:18, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

For abusive behaviour, we have a dispute resolution procedure. Please take such disputes to requests for comment, requests for mediation, or requests for arbitration. Any messages that egregiously violate Wikipedia's civility or personal attacks policies may be removed. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 04:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

CHICKEN REARING

I WOULD NOTES ON CHICKEN (BROILER) REARING. -- 66.36.212.169 (talk · contribs · logs) 04:36, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

If you want information on having a chicken as a pet, please see the "Chickens as pets" section from the Chicken article. If you want information about rearing chickens for agricultural production, you might want to take a look at the "Chickens in agriculture" section. This help desk is for questions about using Wikipedia. If you have questions about knowledge in general, the reference desk is intended for those. Gracenotes^T § 04:52, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

A broiler is a chicken slaughtered for meat while it is still young and tender. Broilers are sometimes reared on a grass range using a method called Pastured poultry. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 04:59, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, the chicken's dead? *headdesks* Gracenotes^T § 05:32, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Images

How do you add pictures to a page? 05:33, 23 August 2007 (UTC)Grenade-Man

Please see Help:Images. Also please review the copyright policy and external links policy. ^Ariel♥Gold 05:42, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Adding Coordinates

How do I add coordinates to an article? I mean for the location of the article's subject, in the top right corner. Is there a tutorial? I looked, but if there is, I cannot find it. DerGolgo 05:52, 23 August 2007 (UTC) Wait, I found Wikipedia:WikiProject Geographical coordinates and figured it out.DerGolgo 06:09, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

{{Geolinks-US-streetscale|44.9789|-93.2450}} adds info in addition to coordinates in the top right corner. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 06:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

ISSUE OF PROVISIONAL CERTIFICATE

Dear Sir, That on 19th day of august I on behalf of my son Samiran Misra,a Botany student of your institution who has passed out in year 2006,applied for provisional certificate after haveing been forwarded by the Department Head and the Principal. I was told that the same will be forwarded to the Sikha Bhaban within 23rd day of August. But today i,e 23rd day of August they refused to deliver the same for the reason that my son's signature is requard. I apporched them in every possible manner but all in vain. Also I told them that I the authorisation letter of my son. Now that in absence of the provisional certificate my son canot sit for CAT inspite of the fact that he has fulfilled all other criteria. Now I here by callupon you to issue the certificate with in 10.30 hors of 24th day of August,failing which I shall be compailed to take appropriete step in the manner I think best. Swapan Kr. Misra 9832120567 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.93.198.225 (talk) 07:31, August 23, 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid you are in the wrong place. We are Wikipedia - the free encyclopedia. We are not an educational institution. Raven4x4x 08:55, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Help regd Thumbnail

Hi all,

installed imagemagick on my wiki server for getting thumbnailing feature to work.I also made the follwowing changes to the loaclsettings.php file.But still iam getting this error "Warning: exec() [function.exec ]: Unable to fork [""C:\Program Files\ImageMagick-6.3.5-Q16\convert" -quality 80 -background white -size 180 "E:\Wiki\mediawiki-1.7.1/images/e/e4/EagletonTripPic2.JPG" -coalesce -resize "180x135!" -depth 8 "E:\Wiki\mediawiki- 1.7.1/images/thumb/e/e4/EagletonTripPic2.JPG/180px-EagletonTripPic2.JPG" 2>&1"] in E:\Wiki\mediawiki-1.7.1\includes\GlobalFunctions.php on line 1719" The modifications i did are

$wgEnableUploads = true; $wgUseImageResize = true; $wgUseImageMagick = true; $wgImageMagickConvertCommand = "/usr/bin/convert";

Kindly respond ASAP

Regards,

Priya.N —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Prinav (talk • contribs) 08:26, August 23, 2007 (UTC).

Make sure you've installed ImageMagick, and then change $wgImageMagickConvertCommand to point to the convert.exe program, which is part of ImageMagic. --h2g2bob (talk) 14:57, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Getting my page to work

Hi Im having problems with being able to view my page now that i have completed it. when i type in my page on the search bar it doesnt come up showing it exists. The Earlybirds (band) 08:34, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

That is because you've created your user name, as the the page you wanted, and thus, you've created a WP:Userpage, not an article. If you'd like Wikipedia to search user space as well as mainspace, you can change that in your preferences. If you'd like the article published into the mainspace, I'd suggest that you go post it over at Articles for creation. If you're sure it qualifies for an article, as guided by notability policy, and reliable sources, then I would suggest that you request an administrator move it from your user space, and you may need to change your username, so it isn't considered a conflict of interest if you edit it. On that note, if you are in that band, then that policy would apply, and you should consider having someone else write the article. Hope that helps! ^Ariel♥Gold 08:56, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

) Well, your page is working fine... the thing is you put the article up for your userpage, which not an article. Hope this helps WP:YFA Sethie 08:53, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

How to navigate

Hi Wikipedia is so huge , that i am unable to decide where to start from. Can you guide me how to navigate the site properly.

Does wikipedia have RSS feeds

Thanks Punit —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Punitchhabra (talk • contribs) 08:52, August 23, 2007 (UTC).

You could always use the random article link on the left, or you could just start by searching for things that interest you, or you could go to the main page, using the links from there, they lead all over Wikipedia! Cheers, ^Ariel♥Gold 08:58, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Use the search box on the left of the page, or go to the contents page. --h2g2bob (talk) 15:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

August 23

User name already in use?

Hi

I am trying to login using a username which is quite unuaual (all alpha though) and is always accepted as unique. Wikipedia rejects it as 'in use' (which can happen if I have forgotten I had signed up before) but when I go to 'lost password' the system says no email address is registered, which seems to imply the username isn't registered.

Is there any other explanation for what appears to be an illogical situation please?

86.7.35.135 08:53, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Email address associated with an account have to be confirmed after one has registered the account for any email related functions (e.g. passphase recovery) to work. It is entirely possible for you to have registered the account and not confirmed the email address. If so, the only possibility for you would be to register a new account save you recalling the passphase. If that other account has no edit history, you may be ask for usurp. Of course, it can simply be the case that someone else has beaten you to it. KTC 12:18, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Referral pages from off-wiki?

My userpage suddenly got a swath of anon vandalizations. Is there an easy way to find out the referral links to my userpage from off-wiki? THF 09:49, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Removing log entries of edits to user page

Woaw, long title. Anyway, is it possible to remove a couple of entries in the log of edits of my userpage? thanks. Stormtalon 09:59, 16 March 2007 (UTC) 11:30, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

See Oversight. THF 11:36, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Note: That doesn't exactly remove the entries. It simply hides them (from non-oversights). x42bn6 Talk Mess 11:39, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Anonymous spammer doing his best to ensure spam is kept on the Prince2 page

The Prince2 article on Wikipedia relates to a popular project management technique. There are a lot of training providers that provide Prince2 training and many of them would love the Prince2 page to link to their website. For this reason spammers have added many such spammy external links to the page. There has been discussion on the talk page about removing them but there is an anonymous user who consistently argues for the retention of spam and reverts changes whenever someone tries to take the spam links away. (Most recently he did it to me yesterday.) I am trying to be as consensual as can be and I have put the page out to RFC but the only person (apart from me) responding is an anonymous user (most probably the Anonymous user) who is once again arguing for the retention of the spam links. Everyone who has had an interest in the page has pretty much given up against this guy but I am determined not to let him beat me. What do you suggest as a course of action to ensure that the spam can be removed in a democratic and consensual way? Is there any way in which anonymous users can be blocked from editing the main Prince2 page or its talk page? Please help - this is taking up far too much of my time already! Wikikob 12:58, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Contrary to these comments by Wikikob there are clearly a number of contributors supporting retention of those links, such as Stevo, PRINCEAndy and others. Accusing someone of spamming simply because they support retention is not acceptable. This applies whether the links stay or go.

Statements like "I am determined not to let him beat me" are of concern as they illustrate a mission other than to contribute to the quality of the page. The (short) edit history of Wikikob comprises almost entirely of deletions and no content input. This is not wrong in itself, but it is not usual for someone to engage in such a determined campaign with such a background. —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 13:30, August 23, 2007 (UTC).

Anonymous editing can be blocked by requesting the page be protected. Note that this is a temporary solution, and will only be approved if it is determined to be repeated, constant vandalism. If that's not the case, you need to go through dispute resolution to help get a common understanding of what should be in the article. -- Kesh 14:03, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. I appreciate that a short history of the article does not show many contributions from me but I was the person who completely rewrote the article about a year ago. Before that it was little more than a stub. You can see my rewrite at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=PRINCE2&diff=76550985&oldid=74365683. It is true that Stevo voted for keeping the links but PRINCE2Andy runs the Prince2 training and consultancy firm OutPerform. He had a vested interest in keeping the links because one of them was to his site. Prince2Andy is quite a reasonable guy (I've met him) and he's not re-inserted the link to his site and has withdrawn from discussion on the page. All the other comments supporting the keeping of links are anonymous and I truley believe they are the work of one person. I appreciate the need for consensus but at the end of the day spam is spam no matter how many people say it isn't! Please check out the links yourself. A good example is the one to the www.spoce.com Prince2 training site. Kesh, thanks for the suggestion re DR. I have started the process (I think - I'm not the most clued up wikipedian there is) by putting an RFC on the page. Unfortunately, as I mentioned, anonymous users are able to contribute. Wikikob 14:58, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Number of views for a given article

Hello, is there a way to know the number of times a given article has been viewed ? Thanks to Wikipedia:Statistics I have found some ways to:

• know the number of times an article was edited
• know the number of times per day the whole Wikipedia is viewed (thanks, Alexa)
• know the most popular articles, by number of views
• and some other interesting stuff

but I would like to know the number of views for a given article, by curiosity to have a guess about its popularity. Is it possible in some way ? SyG 15:16, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Help repopulating categories from WP:DRV of WP:CFD

I have been trying to get the categories and subcategories repopulated here: Category talk:Films by shooting location. I need someone to tell me who to contact to find out who ran the bot.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/tcfkaWCDbwincowtchatlotpsoplrttaDCLaM) 15:25, 23 August 2007 (UTC)