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===Articles created/expanded on July 18===
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*... that [[transwoman]] actor '''[[Judiel Nieva]]''' was once sought out as a healer and [[visionary]]? -- new article by [[User:Kguirnela]]; Nom by [[User:Lenticel|<span style="color: teal; background: white; font-weight: bold">Lenticel</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Lenticel|<span style="color: green; font-weight: bold">talk</span>]])</sup> 13:47, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
*... that [[transwoman]] actor '''[[Judiel Nieva]]''' was once sought out as a healer and [[visionary]]? -- new article by [[User:Kguirnela]]; Nom by [[User:Lenticel|<span style="color: teal; background: white; font-weight: bold">Lenticel</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Lenticel|<span style="color: green; font-weight: bold">talk</span>]])</sup> 13:47, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

*... that '''[[ZSU-37]]''' was the first [[Soviet Union|Soviet]] series-produced, tracked [[SPAAG]]? -- new article by [[User:Vladimir Historian]] and [[User:MoRsE|MoRsE]] ([[User talk:MoRsE|talk]]) 09:10, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
*... that '''[[ZSU-37]]''' was the first [[Soviet Union|Soviet]] series-produced, tracked [[SPAAG]]? -- new article by [[User:Vladimir Historian]] and [[User:MoRsE|MoRsE]] ([[User talk:MoRsE|talk]]) 09:10, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

*...that [[Sir]] '''[[T. Muthuswamy Iyer]]''' [[Order of the Indian Empire|KCIE]] was the first Indian judge of the [[Madras High Court]]?-self-nom by -<font color="maroon" size="4" face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Ravichandar84|Ravichandar]]</font><sub><font color="aqua" face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User talk:Ravichandar84|My coffee shop]]</font></sub> 08:24, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
*...that [[Sir]] '''[[T. Muthuswamy Iyer]]''' [[Order of the Indian Empire|KCIE]] was the first Indian judge of the [[Madras High Court]]?-self-nom by -<font color="maroon" size="4" face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Ravichandar84|Ravichandar]]</font><sub><font color="aqua" face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User talk:Ravichandar84|My coffee shop]]</font></sub> 08:24, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


*... that '''[[Saifuddin Soz]]''', the current Union Minister of [[Ministry of Water Resources (India)]], was expelled from his earlier party [[Jammu & Kashmir National Conference|JKNC]] in 1999, when he defied the [[whip (politics)|party whip]] and voted against the Government headed by [[Atal Behari Vajpayee]] to topple that government? (expanded 5 fold by [[User:Rankoutsider]]), nominated by --[[User:GDibyendu|GDibyendu]] ([[User talk:GDibyendu|talk]]) 07:23, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
*... that '''[[Saifuddin Soz]]''', the current Union Minister of [[Ministry of Water Resources (India)]], was expelled from his earlier party [[Jammu & Kashmir National Conference|JKNC]] in 1999, when he defied the [[whip (politics)|party whip]] and voted against the Government headed by [[Atal Behari Vajpayee]] to topple that government? (expanded 5 fold by [[User:Rankoutsider]]), nominated by --[[User:GDibyendu|GDibyendu]] ([[User talk:GDibyendu|talk]]) 07:23, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
:*[[Image:Symbol possible vote.svg|18px|This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues]] 261 character hook. <font color="#3300ff">[[User:Thingg|Thingg]]</font><sup><font color="#33ff00">[[User talk:Thingg|&#8853;]]</font></sup><sup><font color="#ff0033">[[Special:Contributions/Thingg|&#8855;]]</font></sup> 16:13, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
:*[[Image:Symbol possible vote.svg|18px|This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues]] 261 character hook. <font color="#3300ff">[[User:Thingg|Thingg]]</font><sup><font color="#33ff00">[[User talk:Thingg|&#8853;]]</font></sup><sup><font color="#ff0033">[[Special:Contributions/Thingg|&#8855;]]</font></sup> 16:13, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

[[Image:Marijuana.jpg|right|100px]]
[[Image:Marijuana.jpg|right|100x100px]]
*... that [[wine]] can be made from '''[[Non-grape based wine|items other than grapes]]''', including [[marijuana]] ''(pictured)''? (Miscellany ref in lead and also "Other wines" section.) self nom. [[User:Agne27 |Agne]][[Special:Contributions/Agne27|<sup>Cheese</sup>]]/[[User Talk:Agne27|<sup>Wine</sup>]] 05:28, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
*... that [[wine]] can be made from '''[[Non-grape based wine|items other than grapes]]''', including [[marijuana]] ''(pictured)''? (Miscellany ref in lead and also "Other wines" section.) self nom. [[User:Agne27 |Agne]][[Special:Contributions/Agne27|<sup>Cheese</sup>]]/[[User Talk:Agne27|<sup>Wine</sup>]] 05:28, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

*... that the voters in [[St. Helena Parish, Louisiana]], where the last three elected sheriffs had been sent to jail, have elected '''[[Nat Williams]]''' sheriff, their first ever [[African American]] sheriff? (Self nom)--..[[User:BlackThor|<font color="#3B444B" face="Batavia">'''BlackThor'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:BlackThor|<font color="darkblue">'''Talk'''</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/BlackThor|<font color="#321414">'''Contribs'''</font>]] </sup> 00:55, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
*... that the voters in [[St. Helena Parish, Louisiana]], where the last three elected sheriffs had been sent to jail, have elected '''[[Nat Williams]]''' sheriff, their first ever [[African American]] sheriff? (Self nom)--..[[User:BlackThor|<font color="#3B444B" face="Batavia">'''BlackThor'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:BlackThor|<font color="darkblue">'''Talk'''</font>]] • [[Special:Contributions/BlackThor|<font color="#321414">'''Contribs'''</font>]] </sup> 00:55, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
:[[Image:Symbol confirmed.svg|18px]] Length and hook's ref verified. [[User:Truthanado|Truthanado]] ([[User talk:Truthanado|talk]]) 03:02, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
:[[Image:Symbol confirmed.svg|18px]] Length and hook's ref verified. [[User:Truthanado|Truthanado]] ([[User talk:Truthanado|talk]]) 03:02, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
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*… that '''[[Mike Karakas]]''' was the first American-born and trained American professional ice hockey [[goaltender]] to play in the [[National Hockey League]]? – Significantly expanded by [[User:Maxim]], nominated by [[User:TenPoundHammer|<span style="color:green">Ten&nbsp;Pound&nbsp;Hammer</span>]] <small>and his otters</small> • <sup>([[:User talk:TenPoundHammer|Chirps]]•[[Special:Contributions/TenPoundHammer|Clams]]•[[Chowder (TV series)|Chowder]])</sup> 00:45, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
*… that '''[[Mike Karakas]]''' was the first American-born and trained American professional ice hockey [[goaltender]] to play in the [[National Hockey League]]? – Significantly expanded by [[User:Maxim]], nominated by [[User:TenPoundHammer|<span style="color:green">Ten&nbsp;Pound&nbsp;Hammer</span>]] <small>and his otters</small> • <sup>([[:User talk:TenPoundHammer|Chirps]]•[[Special:Contributions/TenPoundHammer|Clams]]•[[Chowder (TV series)|Chowder]])</sup> 00:45, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


[[Image:Balmy Alley Mission SF2.jpg|80px|right]]
[[Image:Balmy Alley Mission SF2.jpg|100x100px|right]]
*... that after a [[mural|painted]] garage door was crashed into and destroyed, the '''[[Precita Eyes]]''' muralists salvaged it and merged it into a new one, said to be one of their most beautiful in [[San Francisco, California]]? significantly expanded on July 18 by myself.[[User talk:Myheartinchile|<sup>MY</sup>♥<sub>IN</sub><small>''chile''</small>]] 00:44, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
*... that after a [[mural|painted]] garage door was crashed into and destroyed, the '''[[Precita Eyes]]''' muralists salvaged it and merged it into a new one, said to be one of their most beautiful in [[San Francisco, California]]? significantly expanded on July 18 by myself.[[User talk:Myheartinchile|<sup>MY</sup>♥<sub>IN</sub><small>''chile''</small>]] 00:44, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


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*... that [[India]]'s [[Defence Attaché]] [[Brigadier]] '''[[Ravi Datt Mehta]]''' was killed in the [[suicide bombing]] [[2008 Indian embassy bombing in Kabul|on the Indian Embassy]] in [[Kabul]] and is being considered for the [[Kirti Chakra]]? -- created by {{User|Hu114sp}} nom by --[[User:gppande|<span style='font-family:"Arial Black";color:white;background:red'>gp</span><span style='font-family:"Arial Black";color:black'>pande</span>]] [[User talk:gppande|<span style='color:blue'>«talk»</span>]] 08:10, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
*... that [[India]]'s [[Defence Attaché]] [[Brigadier]] '''[[Ravi Datt Mehta]]''' was killed in the [[suicide bombing]] [[2008 Indian embassy bombing in Kabul|on the Indian Embassy]] in [[Kabul]] and is being considered for the [[Kirti Chakra]]? -- created by {{User|Hu114sp}} nom by --[[User:gppande|<span style='font-family:"Arial Black";color:white;background:red'>gp</span><span style='font-family:"Arial Black";color:black'>pande</span>]] [[User talk:gppande|<span style='color:blue'>«talk»</span>]] 08:10, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

[[Image:Ameles spallanzania.jpg|right|77px]]

[[Image:Ameles spallanzania.jpg|right|100x100px]]


*... that there are approximately 2,000 '''[[List of mantis genera and species|species of mantis]]''' ''(one pictured)'' worldwide? - self nom by [[User:HouseOfScandal|House of Scandal]] ([[User talk:HouseOfScandal|talk]]) 06:01, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
*... that there are approximately 2,000 '''[[List of mantis genera and species|species of mantis]]''' ''(one pictured)'' worldwide? - self nom by [[User:HouseOfScandal|House of Scandal]] ([[User talk:HouseOfScandal|talk]]) 06:01, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
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::*1941 characters according to prosesize.js. About half of the 1941 is isolated sentences introducing lists. [[User:Art LaPella|Art LaPella]] ([[User talk:Art LaPella|talk]]) 21:17, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
::*1941 characters according to prosesize.js. About half of the 1941 is isolated sentences introducing lists. [[User:Art LaPella|Art LaPella]] ([[User talk:Art LaPella|talk]]) 21:17, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
::*If you have [[Microsoft Word]], paste the article page's text in it (not the edit text) and go to Tools->Count. Check count (with whitespaces). --[[User:gppande|<span style='font-family:"Arial Black";color:white;background:red'>gp</span><span style='font-family:"Arial Black";color:black'>pande</span>]] [[User talk:gppande|<span style='color:blue'>«talk»</span>]] 22:49, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
::*If you have [[Microsoft Word]], paste the article page's text in it (not the edit text) and go to Tools->Count. Check count (with whitespaces). --[[User:gppande|<span style='font-family:"Arial Black";color:white;background:red'>gp</span><span style='font-family:"Arial Black";color:black'>pande</span>]] [[User talk:gppande|<span style='color:blue'>«talk»</span>]] 22:49, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
::* Try http://allworldphone.com/count-words-characters.htm --[[Special:Contributions/74.13.129.166|74.13.129.166]] ([[User talk:74.13.129.166|talk]]) 18:29, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


*... that the residents of [[Tippecanoe, Indiana]] in 1860 built '''[[Tippecanoe Twp. District No. 3 Schoolhouse and Cemetery‎|a new school]]''' right next to a preexisting cemetery? (self-nom) 5x expansion.--[[User:Bedford|<font color="black">'''Bedford'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Bedford|<font color="pink">Pray</font>]]</sup> 05:08, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
*... that the residents of [[Tippecanoe, Indiana]] in 1860 built '''[[Tippecanoe Twp. District No. 3 Schoolhouse and Cemetery‎|a new school]]''' right next to a preexisting cemetery? (self-nom) 5x expansion.--[[User:Bedford|<font color="black">'''Bedford'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Bedford|<font color="pink">Pray</font>]]</sup> 05:08, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
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*... [[tornado]] activity in the '''[[Sun Prairie, Wisconsin]]''' area historically is above the Wisconsin state average, and 90% greater than the overall U.S. average? (self-nom) <s>Note: the expansion of this article is slightly under the fivefold expansion rule (it had 5211 characters of prose on July 12 (5 days ago) and now has 22106 characters. A 5x expansion would be to 26055 characters), but hopefully an exception can be allowed. I intend to add more to the article by the end of today and tomorrow that would likely put it over this mark</s>. - [[User:Hexhand|Hexhand]] ([[User talk:Hexhand|talk]]) 20:02, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
*... [[tornado]] activity in the '''[[Sun Prairie, Wisconsin]]''' area historically is above the Wisconsin state average, and 90% greater than the overall U.S. average? (self-nom) <s>Note: the expansion of this article is slightly under the fivefold expansion rule (it had 5211 characters of prose on July 12 (5 days ago) and now has 22106 characters. A 5x expansion would be to 26055 characters), but hopefully an exception can be allowed. I intend to add more to the article by the end of today and tomorrow that would likely put it over this mark</s>. - [[User:Hexhand|Hexhand]] ([[User talk:Hexhand|talk]]) 20:02, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
:*... that '''[[Sun Prairie, Wisconsin]]''' is the birthplace of American painter [[Georgia O'Keeffe]]? (self-nom) Note: see info immediately above. [[User:Hexhand|Hexhand]] ([[User talk:Hexhand|talk]]) 20:02, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

*... that '''[[Sun Prairie, Wisconsin]]''' is the birthplace of American painter [[Georgia O'Keeffe]]? (self-nom) Note: see info immediately above. [[User:Hexhand|Hexhand]] ([[User talk:Hexhand|talk]]) 20:02, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


*... that a recently-discovered marine snail that lives near [[hydrothermal vent]]s has round its foot armor plates reinforced with [[iron sulfide]] made from chemicals emitted by the vents - and it also has the usual type of [[calcium carbonate]] shell. The first [[Small shelly fauna | shelled animals]] probably made similar use of whatever materials were easily available. (self, expansion of [[Small shelly fauna]]) -- [[User:Philcha|Philcha]] ([[User talk:Philcha|talk]]) 10:39, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
*... that a recently-discovered marine snail that lives near [[hydrothermal vent]]s has round its foot armor plates reinforced with [[iron sulfide]] made from chemicals emitted by the vents - and it also has the usual type of [[calcium carbonate]] shell. The first [[Small shelly fauna | shelled animals]] probably made similar use of whatever materials were easily available. (self, expansion of [[Small shelly fauna]]) -- [[User:Philcha|Philcha]] ([[User talk:Philcha|talk]]) 10:39, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
: Hmmm... we need a ~200-character long hook in the form of a question, with the link to the DYK article in boldface. --[[Special:Contributions/74.13.129.166|74.13.129.166]] ([[User talk:74.13.129.166|talk]]) 18:29, 19 July 2008 (UTC)


===Articles created/expanded on July 17===
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Royal Game of Ur board, c. 2500 BCE
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File:Pierre Lorillard II, c 1888.jpg
  • This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Article has 840 characters. (tables, templates, lists, etc. are not counted) Thingg 16:26, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There are some interesting choices, so here are some other possibilities:
  • This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Article is 1295 characters. Templates, tables, quotes, etc. are not counted. Thingg 16:18, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Article text is now 1875 chars. Perhaps you checked it quite a while ago. It has been extended to comply with the minimum length. ww2censor (talk) 16:29, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 18

Length and hook's ref verified. Truthanado (talk) 03:02, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Looks good 2 me! Source, length, creation verified. BobAmnertiopsisChatMe! 00:18, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The statement is not followed by an inline citation in the article, which is required as per the #Instructions. Would you add an exact citation to the place in your sources that backs your statement up? Thanks. Thingg 00:05, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]


This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Hook and date verified, but the length of the article, currently at 1014 characters (excluding lists, infoboxes, references, and such), is not long enough. It must be 1500 characters or over. Thanks, RyRy (talk) 07:54, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • It might be long enough now. I'm not sure how to count characters. - House of Scandal (talk) 19:38, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • This seemed enough of an appalling notion to make for a hook.--Bedford Pray 05:08, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... tornado activity in the Sun Prairie, Wisconsin area historically is above the Wisconsin state average, and 90% greater than the overall U.S. average? (self-nom) Note: the expansion of this article is slightly under the fivefold expansion rule (it had 5211 characters of prose on July 12 (5 days ago) and now has 22106 characters. A 5x expansion would be to 26055 characters), but hopefully an exception can be allowed. I intend to add more to the article by the end of today and tomorrow that would likely put it over this mark. - Hexhand (talk) 20:02, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm... we need a ~200-character long hook in the form of a question, with the link to the DYK article in boldface. --74.13.129.166 (talk) 18:29, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 17

  • A couple noms from History of French wine. With the three different angles, I'm not submitting a picture but if a favorite emerges, I can try and find a commons pic to go with that hook.
Nuclear Energy
Nuclear Energy
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues The article (excluding infoboxes, lists, ect.) is only 1467 characters. It has to be 1500 or more characters, but that should be fixed easily. And the hook, IMO, it is not too interesting, but because it is the smallest school, I suppose I can take it. Something else would be better though, but I'll accept it. Thanks, RyRy (talk) 08:03, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Now at 1523.--Bedford Pray 15:52, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Expansion length verified. Foreign language reference taken on good faith. AgneCheese/Wine 02:37, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The 'the' preceding HMS is not grammatically correct, but she's not listed in J. J. Colledge as a commissioned warship, so she wouldn't have been an HMS anyway. (HM gunboat perhaps?). She is in Janes', but is listed as built in 1897 (and as being named Gwendolen). I'd tend to place these sources as being more authoritative on naval matters than Lonely Planet. Benea (talk) 00:43, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Changed, although I would like to know what Janes' is. --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 01:07, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
See Jane's Fighting Ships or Jane's Information Group. Art LaPella (talk) 05:31, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Malawi didn't exist until the 1960's?! Kernel Saunters (talk) 14:49, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
indeed. "...which claimed the only British victory on Lake Nyasa in World War I'..." --Wetman (talk) 19:46, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This aspect of the article needs work. This was the first British naval victory of the entire war and I think may have been the first engagement of the war....Kernel Saunters (talk) 20:44, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That source says the engagement took place on 13 August, and therefore seems to have overlooked HMS Amphion and her flotilla's sinking of SMS Königin Luise on 4 August 1914, a whole week before the Lake Nyasa engagement, and just 36 hours after the British entry to the war. The destroyer HMS Lance (1914) is accredited with the first British (and Commonwealth) shot of the war, and the gun that fired it is duly preserved at the Imperial War Museum. This was the first engagement and the first victory (and shortly after came the first British casualties when the Amphion hit a mine and sank.) But even so, British and French troops had invaded Togoland on 7 August, while the Germans had attacked South Africa on 10 August. Benea (talk) 21:18, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Both suggested hooks are inappropriate - needs a rethink. I've updated the article with more info but the lonely planet material on the boat would appear to be mostly inaccurate Kernel Saunters (talk) 16:04, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

sculptures?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 23:58, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • ... that Michael Ferreira was the first amateur billiards player to break the 1000 points barrier when he scored a break of 1149 in 1978? -- new article self-nom by Shovon (talk) 15:47, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Should be its rather than it's. Ntsimp (talk) 14:19, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yup, thanks! Changed it. Fribbler (talk) 14:24, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Carl Johan Cronstedt
Carl Johan Cronstedt
  • ... that Carl Johan Cronstedt (pictured) increased the efficiency of wood-burning stoves by a factor of eight? new article, self nom by --Doug talk 13:02, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    (alternate)... that Carl Johan Cronstedt (pictured) increased the efficiency of wood-burning stoves by eight times with a new technology? --Doug talk 18:55, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    (alternate)... that Carl Johan Cronstedt (pictured) increased the efficiency of wood-burning stoves by eight times with a new masonry tile stove? --Doug talk 18:55, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    (alternate)... that Carl Johan Cronstedt (pictured) increased the efficiency of wood-burning stoves by eight times with a 1767 new design? --Doug talk 18:55, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    (alternate)... that Carl Johan Cronstedt (pictured) increased the efficiency of wood-burning stoves so much it revolutionized the building industry?--Doug talk 18:55, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    (alternate)... that Carl Johan Cronstedt (pictured) increased the efficiency of wood-burning stoves so much it revolutionized the building industry starting in the eighteenth century?--Doug talk 18:55, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    (alternate)... that Carl Johan Cronstedt (pictured) increased the efficiency of wood-burning stoves so much it saved forests from excess usage?--Doug talk 18:55, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Marie Curie's birthplace
Marie Curie's birthplace
Created July 2, 2006. Within the last five days expanded from 1,951 char. (July 9) to 2,674 char. (July 17) without infoboxes, cats and refs.[1] --Poeticbent talk 15:05, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
before expanding: 15 March 2008 Martim33 (talk) 09:01, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Castle Square, Warsaw
Castle Square, Warsaw
Created June 17, 2005. Within the last five days expanded from 3,776 char. (July 8) to 3,798 (July 17) without infoboxes, cats and refs.[2] --Poeticbent talk 15:05, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
before expanding: 19 November 2007 Martim33 (talk) 09:01, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that Madeline Kahn made her screen debut in De Düva, an Academy Award nominated short comedy that parodied the films of Swedish director Ingmar Bergman? (self-nom, new article) -- SamuelWantman 10:18, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Length verified. References have some formatting issues but I'm more interested in the ref for Madeline Kahn's debut which leads to a dead IMDB link. AgneCheese/Wine 10:39, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Kahn ref goes to Slate.com. The IMDB ref has been fixed. -- SamuelWantman 10:49, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Everything looks fine now. Thanks for the quick fix. AgneCheese/Wine 10:54, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Jack the Bulldog, in costumed form, as the Georgetown Hoyas' Mascot at a basketball game.
Jack the Bulldog, in costumed form, as the Georgetown Hoyas' Mascot at a basketball game.
File:Gettysburg Mason Memorial.JPG
Just curious, is it usual to include pictures of oneself in articles? It seems likely to me, judging from the resemblance to the picture on his talk page and the fact that the pic was taken by someone with the same last name, that this picture includes the nominator. Just struck me as odd. Is there a policy on this? Lvklock (talk) 09:37, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I tried cropping myself out, but I didn't like the look. I may have others pictures of it from previous visits, but I have no idea where they are at this time. BorgQueen is known for cropping images to use on DYK. I know of no policy sayin g this is bad or good. It does give the looker some idea how big the monument is, as the handsome guy in question *wink* is 6'4".--Bedford Pray 15:54, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
About the photo, I think that following BorgQueen's example would be best. Also, Bedford and I are deemed to be engaging in an edit war, in which Bedford opposes DYK for another DYK-nominated article involving Freemasons, see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Grand Lodge of West Virginia - EDIT WAR, and/or July 12 nominations section below. The present nominated article also suffers some of the deficiencies discussed in a current Talk:DYK discussion. Reviewers of the present hook should perhaps consult those discussions. doncram (talk) 15:10, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
*Rolls eyes* That Masonic article was a hit piece, written as such. A pure article on any Grand Lodge, discussing its history, would be OK; a piece where the majority of it is recent negative news about the Grand Lodge is not cool. The only reason you got involved in that article was to dis' me, and we both know that.--Bedford Pray 17:55, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 16

*... that an adrenergic storm can be caused by a cocaine overdose or a strike from a Taser? ~ Article by Mr0t1633; nominated by Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 11:40, 18 July 2008 (UTC).[reply]

The Taser claim has been removed from the article after being found to be incompletely supported in the literature. (See here for discussion.) Proposed amended hook:
Victuallers has alerted me to a concurrent expansion of Josiah's brother William's article. So I propose a new double nom:
The ODNB needs to be used to verify this, which requires an editor with a British library card to access the website. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 22:03, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Lodovico Trevisan
Lodovico Trevisan
  • Definite article added to hook. "the Lithuanian press ban" Thingg 15:32, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • ok, thanks for the correction, M.K. (talk) 14:27, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Paweł Kubisz
Paweł Kubisz
  • Not a five-fold expansion. Article was expanded from 1553 to 5035 characters (5x expansion would be 7765 characters). Thingg 15:28, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Right, still I think it is quite a significant expansion compared to the last version before expansion. - Darwinek (talk) 16:04, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Chianan Plain
Chianan Plain
  • ... that the Chianan Plain (pictured), the largest plain of Taiwan located at the central-southwestern region of the island, has three harvests of rice crops annually? --new article self-nom by luuva (talk) 18:57, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reference verified. Five fold expansion is oh-so-close going from 1049 bytes of pure prose on May 5th to 5094 bytes of pure prose (no infobox, etc) on July 16th. True five fold expansion would be around 5245 but I think its pretty darn close to slide if the hook is needed for an update. Of course a little more expansion never hurts either. AgneCheese/Wine 10:28, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I added a bit more, so I think it should qualify now (I hope). :) Nikki311 19:17, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that 90% of the United Kingdom's pig and dairy production is sold under the Red Tractor farm assurance mark? --new article self-nom by Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 16:11, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
article is new and 2400 characters. However only 1100 characters are new, the rest copied from Organic certification. Is this eligible for DYK? --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 16:11, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
2400 total - 1100 new = 1300 old. 1300x5=6500. You need an expanded article at 6500+ characters long to qualify for DYK. --74.14.23.61 (talk) 02:55, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
1817. The article is wrong twice. --76.64.77.19 (talk) 15:42, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Article fixed by NishKid. And I'm fixing the hook now. --76.64.77.19 (talk) 16:13, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Salvador Toscano Barragán
Salvador Toscano Barragán
  • ... that Faker lead singer Nathan Hudson began writing for the band's debut studio album, Addicted Romantic, eight years before production began? Created by me - the "eight years" is the interesting bit. —Giggy 11:07, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that the Terling Windmill used in the film Oh, Mr. Porter!? This seems snappier, gives the name of this article itself, and gives us a rare opportunity to end a sentence in "!?" and have it be grammatically correct. (c: - House of Scandal (talk) 10:16, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It's much better. My suggestion isn't even grammatical! - House of Scandal (talk) 13:57, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hook uncited. Gatoclass (talk) 03:57, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Reference found and added. Mjroots (talk) 08:26, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is a new article (as per the nominator's claim)? According to the article's history, it has been online since 2005. Ecoleetage (talk) 12:08, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Which article, Ecoleetage? Terling Windmill seems fine. Has someone cleaned up the crime scene after your accusation was posted? --76.64.77.19 (talk) 12:17, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I am aware, the history of an article can't be cleared. I think Ecoleetage may have been looking at the history of the Oh, Mr Porter! article. The Terling Windmill article looks fine to me as well. EasyPeasy21 (talk) 12:41, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just to confirm, the article on Terling windmill is the newly created one. Mjroots (talk) 14:57, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My bad Very sorry - I am a fan of Oh, Mr. Porter! and I mistook the entry as being for that film. I apologise for the error. Ecoleetage (talk) 15:38, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So, um, how big is a 50 Euro coin then? Johnbod (talk) 02:39, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
50 Euro coin? 50 cent Euro coin, you mean. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:54, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, that's what I meant, thanks. And to answer Johnbod's question, it apparently has a diameter of 24.25 mm. ?c: - House of Scandal (talk) 03:31, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nice pic, but I don't think the refs (all pet shop websites) are good enough. Gatoclass (talk) 13:33, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd welcome more help improving the article per Gatoclass's recommendation. I have added sourced material from a few non-commercial websites but it seems that hobbyists and breeders rather than entomologists are the main source of online information about species like these. - House of Scandal (talk) 18:19, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that Charlie Waitt was one of the first to wear baseball gloves, but was taunted and called a "sissy" by fans and teammates because he wore gloves for protecting his hands? Self-nom. Thanks, RyRy (talk) 08:17, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Piotrus| talk 15:01, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Date verified. But the article itself, excluding infoboxes, lists, references and sources, is only 296 characters. The article has to be 1500 characters or over. Not just that, but the hook isn't exciting or interesting. A lot of famous bands go to Hollywood to further their career. A more exciting and something that happens not very often of a hook hook would be better. Thanks, RyRy (talk) 01:27, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 15

  • The ref in the article for the first Filipino to play in the NBL is not so clear cut. The source quotes the Slingers managing director saying "Jason becoming the first Filipino to sign a pro contract with us to play in the highly competitive Australian NBL" (emphasis mine) That seems to imply that Castro is the first Filipino to sign with the Slingers, not necessarily the first Filipino to play in the NBL. Any clarification on this would be appreciated. AgneCheese/Wine 06:39, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Image was removed. --I'm an Editorofthewiki[citation needed] 00:26, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Length verified. References regarding the "national symbol" needs to be clarified. Between the two hooks, I think the 1st is a little better. AgneCheese/Wine 02:00, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
We can leave out "a national symbol" from the hook while we wait for the refs in be written into the wikipage. --PFHLai (talk) 05:06, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Lamentation of Christ
Lamentation of Christ
  • Length verified. Offline reference accepted in good faith. AgneCheese/Wine 01:49, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Might be appropriate to use this one on Sunday. Gatoclass (talk) 02:56, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Where is this? The main page is meant for a general audience. More context for the uninitiated, please. --76.64.77.19 (talk) 14:52, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
is that any better? Mangoe (talk) 16:02, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]


USS Alligator
USS Alligator
Norton Priory
Norton Priory
  • ... that the excavation at Norton Priory, Cheshire (pictured), in the 1970s was the largest excavation to be carried out by modern methods on any monastic site in Europe? or
  • To comply with the instructions, would you add inline citations at the end of the sentences mentioned in the hooks to point to the exact pages in the book where the statements are mentioned? (I don't own the book, or I'd do it myself) Thingg 19:46, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done. The citations were already at the ends of the paragraphs in the body of the article containing the hooks. So that the rest of these paragraphs are not messed up by further citations in their middles, I've added citations to the sentences in the lead. I know that this is not generally approved but they can always be removed when the DYK exercise is over. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 21:42, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Komsomolskaya station, Moscow Metro
Komsomolskaya station, Moscow Metro
  • Neither new or expanded five-fold. Mastrchf (t/c) 16:05, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unfortunately the x5 expansion has to have been made within the last five days, and it looks to me that there has only been about a x2 expansion in that time. Gatoclass (talk) 11:07, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, check history. Expansion more than 5 days ago don't count. You're late. You should've nominated this under "July 10" (when expansion began), and it would still be eligible yesterday. You may want to move this nom down to that section below and ask an admin nicely. --76.64.77.19 (talk) 14:27, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Admins here at DYK are usually very nice. But you'd better move this nom quickly, before a new batch of expired noms gets there at the end of today. Good luck. --76.64.77.19 (talk) 14:38, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Too late now. Even the "July 11" section is gone. --74.14.17.3 (talk) 03:30, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article is peppered with peacock terms, such as "majestic", "imposing", etc. There are way too many images for a short article - please remove some. --BorgQueen (talk) 23:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Length and reference verified. Daniel Case (talk) 14:43, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues No redlinks are allowed in the hook (see the previously Unwritten Rules), especially when it means we can't find your article. (I also removed the second "that" because I couldn't parse the sentence that way.) Art LaPella (talk) 22:09, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Must have been getting tired after working too long - corrected title and links so they are both (accurately) blue links.--Parkwells (talk) 22:33, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Article was not expanded (it actually lost some DYK characters), but the current version is much better organized and well cited. Also, the hook is very intriguing. (I didn't know James Cameron survived a lynching ;) ) Don't know if we could make an exception for this one. Thingg 19:32, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I changed James Cameron (activist) to the piped James Cameron because that's what we usually do at Did You Know, but I didn't realize that it would cause confusion with the apparently better-known James Cameron. Art LaPella (talk) 21:56, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, that's not what I meant at all. :) I think it makes the hook much more interesting; which is A Good Thing™ Thingg 18:51, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Where is this? The main page is meant for a general audience, not necessarily people familiar with things in your country. More context, please. --76.64.77.19 (talk) 15:00, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not a five-fold expansion. Article was expanded from 2299 to 3893 characters (5x expansion would be 11495). Thingg 19:24, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that Arnaud de Pellegrue, a cardinal-nephew of Pope Clement V, led the papal army in a 1309 war against Venice? Savidan 02:37, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Length fine, hook assumed to be verified by off-line source. A minor issue (which should not prevent this from reaching DYK) is that the article is hard to read due to the special vocabulary throughout. If you can fix this, please do to make it more accessible reading. « D. Trebbien (talk) 14:00, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 14

  • Note from nominator: you should check Footnote #2 for hook verification. I realize that you don't have access to the paper, so I uploaded it to here temporarily. In the paper, you should search for "Massera" to see the lemma and its extension, and the switched systems part is in the abstract and introduction. Sorry for all the technical stuff. It's impossible to simplify.--Jiuguang (talk) 06:58, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm going to do good faith tick here, mostly because this stuff is WAY over my little wino-head. I appreciate the extra effort that the nominator has put into aiding the reviewing of the hook. The pdf link does seem to verify the hook--at least to my best understanding of it. If anyone with a little more grasp of system sciences want to take a look, by all means. AgneCheese/Wine 00:55, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think I'm willing to upgrade that to a . However, the hook is very technical for the Main Page: it may or may not get picked depending on how short of hooks we are for the relevant update. (edit: Though to be honest, I expect it will - no harm in appealing to a small subset of the readers on occasion.) Olaf Davis | Talk 11:16, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The materials should be presented with a different emphasis, and hopefully there'll be sth about these people's current lives.... User:Rockero is still typing. Will look again later. --PFHLai (talk) 13:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I plan to go into detail about the specific ethnic groups, especially the ones that are no longer in existence, that would probably not be notable enough in and of themselves to merit separate articles. I also plan to talk about the current political organizations of Ecuadorian indigenous. However, I'll need some more time.--Rockero (talk) 20:37, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues We need to see what publication that story in the footnote ran in. Right now it has just a title and date. Daniel Case (talk) 03:42, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That was a typo. I've added the publication, which is the Los Angeles Times.Cbl62 (talk) 06:07, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Cesare Borgia
Cesare Borgia
  • Article is 546 characters. Tables, lists, etc. are not counted. Thingg 18:45, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"Nemesis"? I always thought that Xiongnu was a tributary state. No? --PFHLai (talk) 04:50, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The hook statement can be easily implied by the refs provided in the article, but it is not specifically mentioned in the citations. Thingg 17:45, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How about... that Fermín Tangüis, from Puerto Rico, developed the Tanguis cotton in Peru when that country's cotton industry suffered as a consequence of a fungus plague called Cotton Wilt? Tony the Marine (talk) 22:28, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hook is not cited to a reliable source. Thingg 17:37, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
File:Sindhi topi.jpg
  • Article was not created or expanded five-fold in the last 5 days. Thingg 17:32, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • No article bolded and neither of the linked articles were created or expanded five-fold in the last five days. Thingg 17:30, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not expanded five fold in the past 5 days. Mastrchf (t/c) 19:33, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
True, its been expanded well beyond that over the past ten days. Could you please indicate your math, please? - Hexhand (talk) 20:40, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
On 2 July the article was 13K, as of now it is 21K. Five times 13 does not equal 21. Additionally, most of the exapnsion since the 8th has been addition of images, tables, and requests for more expansion [3]. --EncycloPetey (talk) 20:46, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ditto on what Petey said. I've messaged you on your talk page also Hexhand. Mastrchf (t/c) 21:50, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I would argue that most of the expansion this past week has replaced spurious or non-notable information with actual credible sources and images that we can actually use, fixing formatting issues that made the article virtually unreadable, and added citations where few existed before. Or, when we say expansion, are we only reading that as girth? - Hexhand (talk) 22:18, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the rules state pretty explicitly that the article must be expanded five-fold. It doesn't mean that you haven't done a wonderful job of improving the article, and helping the project, only that the article is ineligible for DYK. But don't be discouraged, take pride in the state of the article. Mastrchf (t/c) 23:11, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That seems to vastly favor new articles over improved articles. Hell, I could create a stub article for booger art, so long as I reliably cited it, and - according to this criteria - have a better shot at a DYK than an article which has been substantially improved. This seems to be a short-bus criteria, I am thinking. - Hexhand (talk) 23:34, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Correct. Several of our rules could be gamed that way. If we had more volunteers we could debate the quality of articles for hours. As it is we have time enough to count characters in a semi-automated way. A better place to debate the rules is at Wikipedia talk:Did you know. Art LaPella (talk) 23:58, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • An article with so many empty sections and {{Expand}} tags is obviously unfinished and thus not ready to be featured on MainPage. I suspect that if those 9 {{Expand}} tags can get replaced by some prose within the next few days, there'll be a 5X expansion. Have fun! --PFHLai (talk) 06:24, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You're right, of course. Please forgive my frustrated inquiries, and thank you for answering them with equanimity. Might I direct you to two different DYK suggestions I added yesterday at the bottom of this day's section? - Hexhand (talk) 13:50, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Expiring noms

Articles created/expanded on July 13

  • This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Article has 617 characters (tables, templates, lists, etc. are not counted). Thingg 19:04, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
FYI Please be reminded that new articles need to be more than 1500 characters long in order to qualify for DYK. (See requirements above.) 1931 Belize hurricane currently has about 1000 characters only. Please keep typing. :-) Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 23:10, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on July 12

MacNider, Waldron, and Byers
MacNider, Waldron, and Byers
Please be encouraged to start Albert Waldron (the patient in the middle) and make this a 2-in-1 hook! Or a 3-in-1 hook by expanding Hanford MacNider (on the left, no mention of his work in WW2 in his bio yet). Happy typing. :-) --PFHLai (talk) 17:17, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Length verified. Reference is an offline source however online search finds collaboration for the three generals wounded at Buna-Gona, except for the part regarding 75 yards. I would be incline to accept that on good faith except there is an inconsistency between the hook (which says 75 yards) and the article which says (rather clumsily) "He became the American third general to be shot at Buna, none of whom was more than 75 metres from Japanese lines at the time." While not a terrible discrepancy in distance, it is still a discrepancy. Though to be perfectly honest, I don't find any particular "catchy-benefit" to including the line about 75 yards/meters and think the hook would be just fine without it. AgneCheese/Wine 11:05, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Length and date are good, and the hook has an inline citation to an online source. However, I am a little worried about how interesting the hook is going to be to your average wikipedian. It just seems like so much of it is spent giving the names of wrestlers who are going to be obscure or unknown to many. Any other hook ideas? Vickser (talk) 14:32, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Edit conflict - was going to say the same as Vickser. Anything more exciting? Like, say, allegations of match fixing. That would be pretty noteworthy. Olaf Davis | Talk 14:40, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Maya Angelou
Maya Angelou
Yes, it is. The word "Maya" is bold, with an internal link to the article, List of characters in I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings. --Figureskatingfan (talk) 05:15, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The section on "Maya" lacks citations that verify that it is Maya Angelous and that she "was able to survive as a black child in a white-dominated world". Thats the key concern here. Ottava Rima (talk) 05:40, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's what I mean. As mentioned in #Instructions, the hook statement must be cited in the article with an inline citation. Thingg 14:14, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, sorry, this is me trying to push the limits. ;) How's this:
  • I think you misunderstand. The first hook was fine, all you needed was an inline citation in the article, that supported the exact fact represented in the hook. I've added an inline citation (Lupton, p. 57) using Amazon, so it should be ok now. Lampman (talk) 22:28, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • It should be ready to go, but I don't wanna hook it off since I'm now involved in the creation. Anyone? Lampman (talk) 22:35, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a precedent for "list of characters" articles? I'm a little concerned about notability here. Gatoclass (talk) 05:11, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A brief search showed up character lists for a number of books, but I have no idea if it's generally accepted that they're Ok. I'll ask someone at WP:BOOKS to come and comment - can we leave this hook here until then? I'd rather run it a day 'stale' than be told character lists are discouraged when it's already on the main page. Olaf Davis | Talk 10:04, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is fine with me, guys, since my stupidity was partily to blame for how long this is taking. I'd submit, however, that this character list is, IMO although I wrote it, at a different level than most. The character descriptions are more extensive and it actually has references, unlike the list cited above. --Figureskatingfan (talk) 21:01, 18 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, given that one of the lists I linked above has a WP:Novels template on its talk page and survived this AfD, I'm willing to take that as precedent and accept this (superior) list. Thanks for your patience Figureskatingfan. Olaf Davis | Talk 11:06, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The hook is nonsensical though and will need to be fixed first. Gatoclass (talk) 13:21, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
FYI Please be reminded that new articles need to be more than 1500 characters long in order to qualify for DYK. (See requirements above.) Please keep typing. :-) --PFHLai (talk) 20:27, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It also reads like a hit piece. If it wasn't for the black Masons section, it would only be a sentence or two.--Bedford Pray 03:04, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The hook is great. It is way harsh to edit out all the interesting Associated Press and New York Times article supported news information in the short article, to make it just a one sentence article. WP:UNDUE applies to well-established articles, if there is undue balance wiping out other available info, but the nominator's version was fine in reporting why the organization has been in the news. I am reverting back to that. I believe it is still too short for DYK though, it can use some help. doncram (talk) 01:20, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And Bedford instantly reverted me!, without reply to the Talk page where another editor had already protested his removal of the factual information. Others, please consider this article and its talkpage. Bedford, please see the Talkpage. Also please back off if others do not support you on the necessity to remove the material. Not that it should be a vote, but the current total of 2 editors commenting against your 1 opinion should be an indicator that should give you a little pause. doncram (talk) 01:41, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The only reason you are involved is to get back at me for not catering to your temper tantrums. This is a hit piece, was WP:UNDUE, and the only reason you disagree is because it was I who fixed it.--Bedford Pray 02:11, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I am surprised also that our differences of opinion extend, as if automatically, into other topics. Are you, by any chance, a Freemason, or do you have other association with Freemasons? doncram (talk) 03:21, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Could some experienced DYKer's take a look now at the now-further-developed article? The article is adequate in length, it is well referenced with 3 news articles as sources plus info from the official site of the organization covered. The hook is factual and interesting. I believe the article is 'neutral', defined as "representing fairly, and as far as possible without bias, all significant views that have been published by reliable sources." See Talk page for some discussion of that, and notably there is no "other side" to report, that i know of. I recommend approval for DYK now, but I won't add the check mark for it as I already developed the article and removed the neutrality tag that Bedford added. It would be better for another DYKer to review this. doncram (talk) 03:21, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ossie Ardiles
Ossie Ardiles
Suggest: Image:OssieArdiles.jpg. --74.14.23.61 (talk) 03:11, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Article has no inline citations. Also, the info in the article probably should be moved into SS Imperator as a sub-section as both articles are about the same ship and a fair amount of the information is overlapping. Thingg 18:20, 12 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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