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== Help with image in Wikimedia Commons ==

Hi, I have a similar issue as Rebecka. I uploaded an image to Commons and emailed the image plus the permission of the owner to the correct email address. However, it's telling me that they will delete in 7 days if I don't change something, but I can't figure out what it is. I've tried asking questions in numerous places, with no answers. I'm sure I am doing something wrong.

File:Arie F. den Boer, Fred Edmunds, and Victor A Tiedjens.jpg

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This media file does not have sufficient information on its copyright status. Unless the copyright status is provided, the image will be deleted seven days after this template was added: (10 September 2009). If you have created this image yourself, you can choose to license under one of the allowed licenses at the licensing page. If you did not create it, you must usually ask the copyright holder for permission to release it under one of the allowed licenses, and the written permission (or a link to it) must also be provided on this page.

I have permission from MassHort, per an email, which was forwarded yesterday with the image to the email on the upload page. What else do I need to do?Calnut (talk) 15:23, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

What do I need to do?[[User:Calnut|Calnut]] ([[User talk:Calnut|talk]]) 18:31, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

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Hello I am a supporter and fan of Brian Choper and the New Klezmer QUintet. I have been working on their articles and have recently uploaded photos but am unsure of which tag to use to ensure the copyright security. Could you please give me some advice on this issue.

-Thank You rlemus--Rebecca Lemus 16:20, 3 September 2009 (UTC) --Rebecca Lemus 16:20, 3 September 2009 (UTC)rlemus —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rlemusmail (talk • contribs)

Ref. File:Khband.1.jpg, File:Bchoper2-1.jpg
It really depends on where the images came from, and what their copyright status is. If they are your own pictures, then it is fairly easy to fix; if they belong to someone else, we would need their explicit permission to use them. Please let me know where they are from, and I can advise more.
Also, there seems to be some problem with your signature - although your name and your name appeared, it did not show me your user name, and lacked links. When you leave messages, please remember to "sign" your name, by putting ~~~~ (four tilde signs) at the end. This will add your name, and the date and time. Thanks,  Chzz  ►  16:26, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


The photos belong to the Brian Choper Management Team. I was given permission to use them as a fan. Please help me figure out what license to use.

-Thanks Rebecca —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rlemusmail (talk • contribs) 03:19, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, OK; we need explicit permission from Brian Chopper, then; I understand that they might have given you permission, but that isn't 'transferable'. We need permission from them. Can you get them to please email the text in user:chzz/help/myboilerplate, with the pics attached and the name/date filled in, to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org ? If you can do that, we can file their email away, linked via an OTRS number to the pics.  Chzz  ►  03:29, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I had the email sent out. What will be the next step? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rlemusmail (talk • contribs) 17:25, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

When you leave messages, please remember to "sign" your name, by putting ~~~~ (four tilde signs) at the end. This will add your name, and the date and time. - if you're having problems with it, ask me further.
Regarding the pictures - I just asked a person with OTRS permission to look for the email - they found an email about the image "File:Bchoper2-1.jpg". We moved the file from Wikipedia over to commons, which is where all freely-licenced images belong; commons images can be used in just the same was as images on the English Wikipedia, but they can also be used by all the Sister projects - ie, if someone wrote an article on French Wikipedia, they could use the same file. Therefore, in future please upload things there, at commons:upload. (The exception in 'non-free images' with a 'fair-use rationale', such as logos). The email was filed and an OTRS "ticket number" was assigned to it, which you will see in File:Bchoper2-1.jpg. That file (shown here) is now fine, no further action is required.
If you get permission for the other pic, let me know - it's easier to find if you can tell me either the email address that it is from, or the exact subject line used.
Cheers,  Chzz  ►  21:25, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Thanks for the help. When I look at the photo online, I notice that there is still a tag on there which says that it is a eligible for speedy deletion. However on the File:Bchoper2_1.jpg it says that it has been approved. How do I transfer this? Also when I get the next photo approved could you bring my attention to the step by step process of getting that to The New Klezmer Quintet page.

Thaank Here are the tildesRebecca Lemus 18:07, 8 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rlemusmail (talk • contribs)

Also, The email it is coming from is brianchoper@gigsforyou.com. Rebecca Lemus 18:12, 8 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rlemusmail (talk • contribs)

Hello again. Sorry about the confusion re. deletion, I'll try to explain;
You uploaded the file to Wikipedia. That's fine, but, we prefer to put copyright-free files on Commons, which is a separate wiki. Commons files can be used on Wikipedia in just the same way, but they are also available to our Sister projects, such as other language Wikipedias. Therefore, the person who processed the OTRS permission uploaded the file to commons, and flagged the copy on Wikipedia for deletion - and it's now been deleted. However, because the files on commons can be used in exactly the same way, it did not affect the display of the file in the article.
              • Now I had looked up the file on Commons and I found it. Also..it says it (the Brian Choper photo that is above on this template) is a candadite for deletion no that it is deleted...What exactly else do I need to do for this file..?
Now, regarding File:Khband.1.jpg. I asked another OTRS volunteer, who found the email, and attached the OTRS ticket to the file, thus solving the licencing problem. In this case, they did not choose to move it over to commons, so the file remains on English Wikipedia for now; it could always be moved later.
To add it to the article, I think the best thing would be to add an "infobox" to the article. Please take a look at Masada (band), and the box at the top right. That uses something called "Infobox musical artist", and you can see the documentation in Template:Infobox musical artist. You could either copy the blank code from there and 'fill in the blanks', or you could edit the Masada article, copy from that, and change the various parameters as appropriate. It is this part;
{{Infobox musical artist
|Name = Masada
|Img =John zorn masada.jpg
|Img_capt = Masada performing, c2005; L.-R. Joey Baron (dr), Greg Cohen (b), Dave Douglas (tr), John Zorn (sax)
|Background = group_or_band
|Genre = [[Klezmer]]<br>[[Experimental music|Experimental]]<br>[[Jazz]]  
|Label = [[Tzadik Records]]
|Associated_acts = [[John Zorn]]<br/>[[Electric Masada]]<br />[[Naked City]]
|URL = 
|Current_members = 
|Past_members = [[John Zorn]]<br />[[Joey Baron]]<br />[[Greg Cohen]]<br />[[Dave Douglas (trumpeter)|Dave Douglas]]
}}
If you struggle with this, let me know and I will help further. Best of luck,  Chzz  ►  17:24, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
              • Now I had looked up the file on Commons and I found it. Also..it says it (the Brian Choper photo that is above on this template) is a candadite for deletion no that it is deleted...What exactly else do I need to do for this file..? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rlemusmail (talk • contribs) 18:05, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(outdent)

I think that, for some reason, you're seeing an old version of the page. Try clicking on this link to purge it;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bchoper2-1.jpg?action=purge

Also, try bypassing your cache by pressing CTRL and F5 (if explorer or firefox)

The file is actually fine; the tag is there, and it's all OK.  Chzz  ►  18:58, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for your help. Three more questions. (for now) One: I still find that the warning for deletion shows up on the actual Brian Choper article. What else could I be missing? Two: I put a musician box on the New Klezmer Quintet site and I have a question with the photo there. I typed in the file name in the slot for photo and when I click on that title on the article it says that I need to upload the photo. How do I transfer the photo that is already in the system..? Three: The new Klezmer Quintet article has a tag which says I need more articles to link to it. I already have many highlighted blue links. Why would that still be ab issue and how can I properly resolve it and get rid of the note at the top of the page.

Thanks!:) Rebecca Lemus 22:15, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

  • On Brian Choper, that text is actually in the caption of the pic, so please edit the page and change it to something appropriate. Look for this bit;

[[Image:bchoper2-1.jpg|thumb|alt|Brian Choper|{{deletable image-caption|1=Monday, 7 September 2009}}]]

...and change it to something like this (putting in some appropriate caption, mine is a guess);

[[Image:bchoper2-1.jpg|thumb|alt|Brian Choper|A picture of Choper taken in 2009]]

  • The problem on New Klezmer Quintet was, you mistyped the filename as "khband_1.jpg" instead of "Khband.1.jpg" with a capital-K. Filenames are case-sensitive. I've changed it, and it now works fine.
  • It lacks articles that link to it; if you go to the article and click on "What links here" in the toolbox on the left, you'll see that currently there links from the List of Klezmer bands, Brian Choper, and Fred Jacobitz articles. An article is only considered an orphan if it has less than 2 articles linking to it, and when it was tagged as such, it probably lacked those incoming links. Therefore, I just removed the {{orphan|date=August 2009}} from it.  Chzz  ►  22:49, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That was very helpful. Another question On Fred Jacobitz page I inserted an image fjacobitz.jpg which also recently approved by email for wikipedia. In my records that is how it is spelled. When you get a chance could you check that one for me to..? Thank You Rebecca Lemus 23:23, 9 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rlemusmail (talk • contribs)

Another question..when you are available.

On the Fred Jacobitz page when I linked New Klezmer Quintet which is an article that does exist, it came up red which meant that it was not a real article. What may have been the problem here..? Thanks Rebecca Rebecca Lemus 01:33, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

  • When you write messages on talk pages, could you please type in ~~~~ at the end of your message; that will automatically add your user name, with links, and the date. You should literally type in four tilde-signs, not your actual name. Just put ~~~~.
  • I can't find any record of a file uploaded as "fjacobitz.jpg", either in your contributions, or using other searches.

Thank you. I have sorted things out. I regret the obvious hastiness that caused my oversights. Thank you for bringing my attention to things I did not see.I went and many mini edits that I had missed earlier. Here are teh four ~ ~ ~ ~ (but touching) at the end. Please let me know if it does not come up. I have been making a point of adding these out of respect. Thanks again. Rebecca Lemus 14:29, 10 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rlemusmail (talk • contribs)

No problems, re. the articles.
I'll mark this part as 'done' so that it can be archived, and help with the 'signing' thing on your own talk page. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  16:26, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Done

Suggestions?

In re: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Physicians' Council for Responsible Reform, I'm trying to maintain some sort of neutrality despite source text allegations that the PCRR is essentially a fraudulent organization. I think the sources speak to the notability of this group per WP:CORP, but they are, at the same time, hostile witnesses. So, as an editor, I'm at a loss for words. -- 209.6.238.201 (talk) 03:58, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I see what you mean. It isn't necessary to be 'nice' to be neutral - there is nothing wrong with citing any reliably sourced information, for example XXX is a murderer, etc. Having said that, in this case I'm not certain that the sources are entirely reliable - they certainly are very negative. In the interests of balance, and also to flesh out the proposed article, please take a look at this (the last para), and this, perhaps? Good luck with it, I hope this helps.  Chzz  ►  17:30, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is we know from the other sources that those press releases are essentially phony. Price is picking different lists of 100 doctor names out of the phone book; there's no one list. This would be like me calling up my local paper and telling them I may have already won a million dollars from the Publisher's Clearing House, because that's what my junk mail says, and they put that in an article. Ah, I guess maybe that is the point... thanks for the feedback, I'll see what I can do. -- 209.6.238.201 (talk) 18:21, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Now I'm getting in edit wars over an AFC. Apparently, registered editors don't want to publish it, but they are happy to edit war over the content? This is getting silly. -- 209.6.238.201 (talk) 06:06, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Meh, your counter-example is pretty bad. -- 209.6.238.201 (talk) 06:18, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Baccus or Bacchus?

Hi, which spelling is right? I've just made a set of redirects to your George Baccus & Sons, then realised that there's an "H" in the Googlebooks version, and in most of the wikihits I can find! PamD (talk) 13:27, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, yes, totally my mistake, it is "Bacchus" with an H. I've moved the article and redirects. Many thanks.  Chzz  ►  14:00, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Note, deprodded w/ edit summary "deleted the {{prod}} as I'm working on refereces" - tagged as unrefd, advert and npov; also may need UAA, Badge talkingfooty (talk · contribs)  Chzz  ►  21:15, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Image permission clauses

I am getting more and more confused about the submission of images. I spent a lot of time contacting the author for the permission. And yet i still dont understand the rules. Can you kindly tell me some easy way to search for free images? Hamza [ talk ] 02:30, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I sympathize. Because Wikipedia is 'free', we want other people to be able to copy it, pretty much unconditionally. Therefore, we try hard to only use pics that are free of any copyright conditions, other than a quick 'attribution' (ie the name of the person who took it). We can't use stuff that is licensed as 'OK for non-commercial use', because lots of people copy Wikipedia stuff and put it on pages which have adverts, and that counts as 'commercial use'.
One way to find stuff is to use 'flickr', search for something and then click on 'advanced search', and check all the boxes under 'creative commons', ie 'Only search within Creative Commons-licensed content', 'Find content to use commercially', and 'Find content to modify, adapt, or build upon'. Sadly, this often results in very few hits.
If you want to get a solid permission, I find it easiest to ask the copyright holder to please send the text from user:chzz/help/myboilerplate (with the name filled in and the pic attached) to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org
On the bright side, there are lots of fabulous free pics, like the one here; have a look at commons.  Chzz  ►  05:09, 8 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Seeking advice on my Cyberculture course

Chzz,

Thanks again for all your tremendous help. My course is now at WP:School and university projects/CS345 . I welcome any comments on it since you last saw it Aug 19.

I do have one question. I moved the article from my sandbox but now my sandbox redirects to the School page. How can I get my sandbox back so I can use it for other purposes?

I did some editing myself as you suggested, nowhere near enough, and changed the assignment (see "Getting to know Wikipedia") accordingly. Your advice about that was very good.

I wanted to address 2 of your suggestions that I didn’t respond to previously.

You suggested WP:HELPDESK instead of WP:QUESTIONS. But QUESTIONS includes the HELPDESK and more.

You suggested using live help. The class is nontechical folks and the link in QUESTIONS is a tool that I think is more user friendly.

All the best, Len Lenshapir (talk) 05:53, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding redirects; I could just fix it, but I think it's worth trying to explain instead. If you click on User:Lenshapir/my sandbox, you will indeed be redirected to the project article, but note that at the top left it will say this, in small letters;

(Redirected from User:Lenshapir/my sandbox)

That link is a bit special; it has a parameter on the end of the URL, "&redirect=no". If you then click on it, you will be shown the actual redirect page, which you can then edit it in the normal manner. At the moment, it contains just one line, #REDIRECT Wikipedia:School and university projects/CS345. If you remove that, it will no longer redirect.
Regarding your project, and your comments re. questions/helpdesk and IRC, that's all fine, of course, up to you. I had a quick read through the project, and it looks broadly OK; best of luck with it, and please do let me know if I can help further. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  16:15, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chzz, Thanks so much for all your help. I could not have done it without you. Lenshapir (talk) 23:32, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

I didnt know you were Finnish (or did you just stumble upon the article and decide to help?) -- Soap Talk/Contributions 15:24, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Re. Saaranpaskantamasaari
I'm English. I just stumbled on it, noticed the debate, and thought I'd enquire a bit further.Cheers,  Chzz  ►  16:05, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Troutman 9/9/9

Chzz,

May I ask you to take another look at the Troutman draft? I've taken out all the primary references, the best I can tell, and tried to address all other concerns you raised last time.

Please let me know what else needs to be done for the article to go live.

Thank you very much again,

--Burkeguy 20:28, 9 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Burkeguy (talk • contribs)

  • When you leave messages, please remember to "sign" your name, by putting ~~~~ (four tilde signs) at the end. This will add your name, and the date and time.
  • The word "professional" is (I think) redundant in the first line, "an American professional author", that seems just puffery really. The term is used a few more times too; "designs professional resumes", "job searching for career professionals" - I know the latter isn't about her, but it's still "business-speak", and rather meaningless.
  • "small, woman-owned business" - 'small' is opinion, not fact. Also, is the 'woman-owned' part covered in the ref? It seems an odd phrase.
  • "Thanks to her first book [...] Troutman helped popularize the format" - I'm still not happy with this phrasing; it's not encyclopaedic, and no matter how many references there are, it's a really hard thing to verify.
  • "Other Troutman federal career publications" - this is unreferenced
  • The part about "Monster.com" is also unreferenced
  • "www.washingtonpost.com’s Federal Diary Live On-Line, www.federalnewsradio.com, and www.fedmanager.com, and has led workshops on Federal Resumes and KSAs for 40Plus of Greater Washington" - most of these could be linked to our articles about them, I imagine
  • The para beginning "In the past, she has belonged to, at various times..." is unreferenced.

 Chzz  ►  23:07, 9 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Ongoing discussions with the creator, re. amending the article to be about the events, not just the person, etc.  Chzz  ►  22:26, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Skyscraper

The Skyscraper project is real Please don't delete it. go to [www.skyscrapersim.com]

elevatorman138 23:29, 10 September 2009 (UTC) < (talk • contribs) elevatorman138 23:36, 10 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Help with image in Wikimedia Commons

Hi, I have a similar issue as Rebecka. I uploaded an image to Commons and emailed the image plus the permission of the owner to the correct email address. However, it's telling me that they will delete in 7 days if I don't change something, but I can't figure out what it is. I've tried asking questions in numerous places, with no answers. I'm sure I am doing something wrong.

File:Arie F. den Boer, Fred Edmunds, and Victor A Tiedjens.jpg

This is what the Nikbot said: This media file does not have sufficient information on its copyright status. Unless the copyright status is provided, the image will be deleted seven days after this template was added: (10 September 2009). If you have created this image yourself, you can choose to license under one of the allowed licenses at the licensing page. If you did not create it, you must usually ask the copyright holder for permission to release it under one of the allowed licenses, and the written permission (or a link to it) must also be provided on this page.

I have permission from MassHort, per an email, which was forwarded yesterday with the image to the email on the upload page. What else do I need to do?Calnut (talk) 15:23, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

What do I need to do?Calnut (talk) 18:31, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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