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:Maybe you'll get more help at a bodybuilding or similar forum. From the quick search I did though, everyone was saying that's just the way it is for some people. They also says it better to have non-symmetrical [but defined] abs than a loads of fat.. --[[User:Username132|Username132]] ([[User talk:Username132|talk]]) 10:07, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
:Maybe you'll get more help at a bodybuilding or similar forum. From the quick search I did though, everyone was saying that's just the way it is for some people. They also says it better to have non-symmetrical [but defined] abs than a loads of fat.. --[[User:Username132|Username132]] ([[User talk:Username132|talk]]) 10:07, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually there is loads of fat, but if i compress my stomach i can see the non symmetrical six pack


== Which kinds of cells undergo cellular respiration? ==
== Which kinds of cells undergo cellular respiration? ==

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December 14

Why do faster moving fluids have lower pressure?

I understand the concept that as fluids (i.e. water/air) flow faster, their pressure drops. But what I don't understand is why. Please explain? --AstoVidatu 03:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bernoulli's principle may be helpful. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 03:33, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A fluid rushing through a pipe is composed of molecules, and those molecules are all bouncing around, off of each other, and off of the walls of the pipe. How often they smack into the walls of the pipe results in pressure. For a given flow rate, they bounce into the walls at a certain rate which we then measure as the pressure. Now, if the flow of the fluid through the pipe is increased, think of what happens to the molecules... they are traveling faster down the pipe, and so fewer of them will smack into the pipe in any one particular place. Fewer molecules smacking into the wall of the pipe = lower pressure. At least that's how I remember it being explained to me in high school physics. 71.112.115.246 05:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC):P[reply]

Wind and toilets

I live on the fifth floor of a ten-floor apartment building. When the wind speed gets up around 30 miles per hour, the water level in the toilet bowl is an inch lower than it is in calm weather. Why is this? --67.185.172.158 04:18, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Plumbing drains, including toilets, have in addition to the pipe which carries waste down to the sewer, an up vent which goes up to the roof. Its purpose is to prevent the draining water from siphoning the water out out of the U shaped trap, which is there to prevent sewer gasses from entering the living area. One way in which a high wind level could cause a drop in the toilet bowl level is if the air rushing past the vent on the roof lowers the pressure. If the air pressure in the vent stack were lower than the air pressure in the bathroom, the water level in the bowl would drop. One inch of water is not a huge pressure difference. Edison 04:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmmm... why does this comment appear above mine when the timestamp is ten minutes later? Anyway, that's what I was thinking: Bernoulli's principle in action. —Keenan Pepper 04:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Where is independent of when. An accomodation to minimize deletion. Adaptron 08:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmmm... could this be related to the previous question? I honestly don't know. —Keenan Pepper 04:29, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
(Expanding on Edison's comments...) The water in the trap of your toilet bowl acts as a manometer between the air pressure inside your house and the air pressure in the plumbing vent stack. When the wind whips across the vent stack, the venturi effect lowers the pressure in the stack and the water in the toilet-bowl manometer shifts towards the vent stack. Unfortunately, unlike in a true manometer, it then sloshes over the upper edge of the trap and falls down the drain, permanently lowering the water level in your toilet bowl, at least until you flush the toilet and refill the trap again. If you catch this phenomenon in action, you may actually observe waves and motion in the water in the bowl.
Atlant 12:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Digital camera shutters

Is it correct to say that all digital single-lens reflex cameras have mechanical shutters but no live-preview digital cameras do, or is the situation more complicated than that? In cameras without a mechanical shutter, how exactly is the "shutter speed" (integration time) controlled? —Keenan Pepper 04:28, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not quite.. The digital camera doesn't need a shutter - the ccd can recieve light all the time - and not be overexposed like a film. In fact a digital slr doesn't have a shutter proper as a normal slr - both will have the mirror, but only the non digital version has a focal plane shutter. So no digital camera needs a shutter - but a digital slr will have the moving mirror (which is a bit like a shutter).
'Shutter speed time' - the ccd is an array of light sensitive components - light falling on an element of the array will produce a voltage/current/resistance change - The longer this current is measured the more accurately it is known. So digital cameras do have a close analogy of shutter speed - the exposure time - short exposures will have more noise, longer exposures will have less noise but be prone to motion blur. Hope that answers all your questions.

See also digital single-lens reflex camera#Digital SLR versus SLR-like and compact cameras, note that some SLR like cameras do away with the mirror as well. 83.100.174.70 11:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The description in this review of a DSLR says that with full frame transfer CCDs, "a mechanical shutter is absolutely required to control the start / stop measurement of light", which seems to directly contradict you. —Keenan Pepper 20:49, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"Your typical consumer digital camera uses what is called an Interline Transfer CCD, put simply the CCD can itself control the start / stop of when it measures light falling on it, otherwise known as an electronic shutter..." I'd suggest that this camera is aimed at people with more money than sense or who want to 'live in the past' why quote something saying " seems to directly contradict you" when actually reading the page confirms what I've been saying???87.102.19.95 22:58, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You said "no digital camera needs a shutter". It says that some digital cameras do need shutters — the exact logical negation. I asked a question, you answered incorrectly, get over it. —Keenan Pepper 03:45, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Actually they don't need shutters - the transfer of info. from the ccd is done electronically - using an electronic switch - there's no reason why at the start of an exposure the ccd could be blanked - and then at the end the resultant set of electrical signals be transfered over. Even in the case given above, so as I said "no digital camera needs a shutter" . And learn some manners as well.87.102.8.6 14:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As the article says, that is only for full frame ccds. not all dSLRs use full frame ccds, eg. the Pentax *ist DS doesn't. Xcomradex 21:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
But does it have a mechanical shutter? —Keenan Pepper 22:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Google says yes. Why does it have a mechanical shutter if it doesn't need one? —Keenan Pepper 22:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest it's unneccessary but no doubt some advertising wanker has convinced people that "mechanical shutter = good quality" therefore a perferctly good digital camera is crippled because some idiot will buy it - and at 5 times the price of the equivalent product no doubt - does that sound like a realistic appraisal of 'the way things work'.. eg. Why buy a £5000 rolex when a £1 digital watch keeps better time? (<end of rant>)87.102.19.95 23:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What evidence are you basing this on? Why should I belive you? —Keenan Pepper 03:45, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Truth:

  • SOME DSCs (CHEAP ones mostly) have NO shutter.
  • MANY OTHER DSCs (MID- OR ABOVE) have shutters.

How to observe it:

  1. Set your DSC to manual exposure (not every DSC supports this function)
  2. Set to the widest aperture setting.
  3. Set a reasonably long exposure time. Maybe more than 1 second.
  4. Turn your DSC around so you can see the inside of its lens mechanism.
  5. If you cannot see the shutter mechanism, you may adjust the mechanical zoom (usually wide angle).
  6. If you still cannot see it, get a lamp or a flashlight.
  7. If you have a wide-angle adapter, you may want to use it to magnify the mechanism.
  8. When you think you see the mechanism, take a picture.
  9. SEE! SEE! SEE! SEE! SEE! SEE! SEE! SEE!
  10. If you cannot see it, adjust the zoom setting and take another picture.
  11. SEE! SEE! SEE! SEE! SEE! SEE! SEE! SEE!

Under the MANUAL mode, you may find your fastest shutter setting be controlled by the aperture setting. Take my Canon PowerShot S3 IS for example, the fastest shutter speed is 1/3200 s under f/8.0 and 1/1600 under f/2.7 (aperture wide). This is a tell-tale sign of mechanical shutter.

If your camera supports long exposure, you may find it calibrates itself after a long exposure. Take my cam as an example, if I do a 15 s long exposure, it would:

  1. Open the shutter and expose the CCD for 15 s. (Viewfinder ON)
  2. Close the shutter. (Viewfinder OFF)
  3. Save the picture to a buffer.
  4. Expose the CCD for another 15 s while the shutter is closed.
  5. Save the noise "picture" to the buffer as well.
  6. Calculate an improved picture with the noise data.
  7. Save the improved picture to the memory card.
  8. Open the shutter. (Viewfinder ON)

The level of noise is subject to many real-time conditions such as the temperature and the age of your circuits. You cannot measure it in the factory and use the fixed value later. I only have one DSC so I cannot take a movie of it. Maybe you guys can take a shutter-open-shutter-closed movie. A camera with a larger and better CCD may not need to calibrate for the noise. My camera does not have a B or T exposure setting. It is simply not very practical to use a noisy chip to take a really long exposure. -- Toytoy 15:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

chest muscles

can the dumbells be used to work the chest muscles?

YES. Check the links for more information. I suggest particularly the PDF file that's the 5th or so link down. Anchoress 06:53, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Dumbell flat, incline or decline bench press (like barbell benchpresses but using dumbells) and dumbell flyes are the most common exercises. Some would recommend pullovers as well. As Anchoress says, you need to look up how to do them. --jjron 12:52, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The chest muscle which is visibly enlarged in body builders is Pectoralis Major. This is a powerful adductor, flexor, and internal rotator of the shoulder; hence any activity which produces this movement under strain will "work" the muscle:

Adduction - stand as if imitating the letter "T" with your arms out. Move hands forwards, bringing them in front of your chest, arms fully extended. This, bringing the upper limbs towards the midline, is called adduction Flexion - stand up straight, as if at military drill. Bring your arm up, forwards, so you see your hand in front of your shoulder, arm fully extended and horizontal. Int Rotation - stand up straight, upper arm against side, lower arm flexed at 90 degrees and hand out sideways. Move your hand round, using the elbw as a pivot, until your hand is across your lower chest

William Giaque

"He developed a magnetic refrigeration device of his own design in order to achieve this outcome, getting closer to absolute zero than many scientists had thought possible. This trailblazing work, apart from proving one of the fundamental laws of nature led to stronger steel, better gasoline and more efficient processes in a range of industries."

um....anyone know why this led to stronger steel and better gasoline??

As for the steel, see Basic oxygen process. It's likely that some oil refining process likes to have pure oxygen as well.
Atlant 13:12, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
given that the oxygen is as far as I know not made by a magnetic process, and oil refining does not need any o2 - unless you want explosions.. I'd say this is bullshit, an example of scientific discoveries being totally overplayed in terms of their industrial significance. However maybe I'm missing something - but I would suggest an ill informed journalist wrote this..(it's William Francis Giauque)83.100.174.70 13:24, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Environment

How badly have we screwed ourselves? What will the world be like at the next turn of the century (guesses allowed)Sashafklein 07:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

lol, you have quite the hubris to believe that hairless apes can significantly affect the biosphere. Read Lewis Thomas' " Lives of a Cell".
If you already believe that humans have ruined the enivoronment, I shan't try to convince you otherwise. Simply understand that nature changes, the world changes, not necessarily for the worse. It is impossible to accept that anything is static without suffering a mental breakdown or becoming a crusader for various causes that are outside of your control. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.225.160.106 (talkcontribs).
That's one way of looking at it. Proponents of this are: The Bush administration, Michael Crichton, and anyone in the oil or car business. The other way of looking at it is that we're up to our knees in...trouble, and still digging. Proponents of this are: Anyone who's ever studied science. A bit of hyperbole, but that's the gist of the situation. yandman 08:35, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, the billions of people in the developing world need food, shelter, and water. And unfortunately for the eco-crusaders, this sometimes comes at the cost of the environment. Sorry, but people need to live, and the environment and species diversity comes second place.
How do you expect to convince a Brazilian lumberjack to quit his job and stop feeding his family because it bothers the conscience of some yuppie in the USA?
Sure, I'm being a little polemical, but these are things that need to be considered. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.225.160.106 (talkcontribs).
Isn't it just wonderful that there are still poor people around whose indigence we rich people can use to justify our own excesses! --Rallette 11:49, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Recommended reading on this topic includes our articles on global warming, climate change, attribution of recent climate change and economics of global warming. While there is a fair amount of (especially political) debate on this subject, the scientific consensus seems to be that while we're not completely "screwed" yet, things are not looking particularly rosy, and will only get worse unless something is done. — QuantumEleven 12:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
And in response to the unsigned contributions above, and also because it's very relevant, add to that list overpopulation. --jjron 12:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I am of the opinion that all harm done to the environment is manifested just as it is. That is to say, we need not worry that what we've done in the past has already doomed us in the future. The world is what it is. I don't buy 'doomsaying' at all, though pundits like Al Gore make a load of money doing it. Cheers. Vranak 16:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Just to butt in, we're not very good at guessing how it will be in 100 years. I wouldn't even guess at all. The margin of error is extremely large, and we haven't guessed how it will be hundred years in the future many times before to collect data on that. Climate systems are although cyclic, they are chaotic and nonlinear. We're still trying to figure out what happened in the past and present. X [Mac Davis] (DESK|How's my driving?) 22:10, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Next century? Meteorologists can't tell me the weather next Tuesday!
Well my general sense is that a change in the environment is not necessarily a catastrophe, as long as it does not occur too rapidly. The Earth's environment changes all the time, and (thus far) life forms have managed adapt. But the problem seems to be that we're incurring a relatively rapid change that is comparable to a natural global catastrophe. Nature isn't able to adapt quickly enough, at least among the larger creatures. So we're putting the planet out of equilibrium and it will take a long time for a new balance to be reached. The ultimate cost we may end up paying is a mass die-off of humanity. But some humans will probably survive. We have some pretty clever members among our species, and we're highly adaptable. — RJH (talk) 17:48, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

canonical partition function

As V increases at constant T, why does En decrease?

units

what kind of value would be in units of K*cm (within P-chem)? These are not HW questions I'm attempting to reverse engineer my pchem midterm test questions from my graded test. Thanks.

The constant in Wien's displacement law is 0.290 cm K. —Keenan Pepper 03:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

milk shake

how come whenever I eat a milk shake I get really dehydrated afterwards (1-3 hours after)?

Can you clarify what you mean by 'dehydrated'? Do you just mean you get thirsty or something else? From our dehydration article "Medically, dehydration is a serious and potentially life-threatening condition in which the body contains an insufficient volume of water for normal functioning." I find it hard to believe a milkshake is doing this to you! --jjron 12:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
jees why does everyone here have to be such a Technical Tanya? dehydrated, really thirsty, yellow piss, etc. Great Living Luci, how do you live in society if you take everyone seriously? (maybe I'll post that one in Misc..)
Maybe he means he gets the runs. --Russoc4 15:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
We're not well equipped to give medical advice, sorry. I suggest referring such questions to your doctor. Ned Wilbury 16:38, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree about the medical advice. And ask for a blood test; dehydration after consuming sugar is a symptom of diabetes. Anchoress 17:00, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thirst (rather than dehydration) an hour or two afterwards does indeed suggest transient hyperglycemia and may be an early stage of diabetes. Dehydration cannot happen in two hours and is not a subjective sensation, but assuming he means thirst, anything that raises your plasma osmolality will make you feel immediately thirsty, and glucose is the prime candidate. A glucose tolerance test will confirm or refute it. alteripse 01:40, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

May I ask where you are getting your milkshakes from? Vranak 23:41, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Simple, most milkshakes are quite salty. Consuming salty things makes you thirsty. A Burger King king-sized vanilla shake contains 640 mg of sodium. StuRat 03:47, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There will also be a vast difference in how a Burger King milkshake makes you feel, and how a lovely homemade milkshake made in a modest agricultural town with good grass and good cows will make you feel! Vranak 16:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely. StuRat 00:34, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Conservation of Energy and Rolling a ball down a ramp

Hello. I was wondering if anyone would be able to help me with a query about my physics coursework? What we have to do is talk about the conservation of energy, and how energy is never created or destroyed, and simply changes form, and then to prove this theory correct we had to roll a ball down a ramp at different heights, and time how long it took for the ball to reach the bottom. Thats my planning and observing stages completed, but then for the analysis we have to link our experiment up to the theory of the conservation of energy, and I have absolutely no idea how it's relevent, am I missing an equation or anything? I would greatly appreciate any help! Thanks. --88.108.21.142 07:38, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK. First, the experiment's wrong. But we'll get to that later, and don't worry, it's your teacher's fault. But telling him why he's wrong will surely give you extra points... You know how to calculate "gravitational potential" (or something like that) energy? Go and fetch the formula. You know how to calculate kinetic energy? Go and fetch that one, too. Hopefully you know the weight of the ball. Now, did you measure the speed of the ball at the end of the ramp, or did you measure the slope of the ramp? (If you did neither, you're in trouble...). yandman 08:23, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If you measured the speed of the ball, you just need to use all the formulas you've collected. If you've got the slope, you can find the projection of the gravitational force on the ramp (time to get out your sin and cos..), and then you're going to use Newton's laws to find out what you need.
And the experiment is wrong because it's not taking into account the fact that the ball is rolling. It takes energy to make something spin, and you're only measuring its speed, not its spin. Therefore, you're not taking into account all the energy the ball has at the end of the ramp, and if you do the experiment accurately enough, you'll see that the "final energy" is lower than the starting energy. Added to that, there's the friction losses, but they're negligible. yandman 08:29, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
energy which goes to rolling is also likely negligable compared to the measurement techniques being used. If you want brownie, look up the formula that goes into rolling, and put an estimate on friction. Actually fuck that, derive the formula for the energy of rolling —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.225.160.106 (talkcontribs) 08:32, 14 December 2006
but computing the rotational energy requires you to find the moment of inertia of the ball, which can be computed easily from the mass and radius if the ball is uniform density or hollow or something like that, but otherwise may be hard to measure --Spoon! 09:49, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
IGNORE this number - I think I made a mistake..((For a solid ball rolling at speed v it's 0.3mv2, i think.)) See rotational energy and rotational inertia83.100.174.70 14:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm guessing that at the level you're at (A level?) the energy due to rotational inertia is ignored.(In any case it's sensible to solve the simplified case first and then include other variables..)

If I've understood correctly you need a link showing the relevance of conservation of energy to your experiment.. This is simple. The total energy should remain the same. In this case it means that the sum of kinetic energy (1/2mv2) and potential energy (mg x height) remains constant.. So if the ball drops y metres, it has lost mgy joules of potential energy (mass times gravity = force, force times distance = energy/work) so that energy lost should be compensated by in increase in kinetic energy ie 1/2mv2=mgh so v2=2gh. So you need the speed of the ball at a given height - you can get the speed from the slope of a graph of distance versus time. Did you measure the time to different points or just to the bottom?83.100.174.70 12:51, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll give you the rest of the clues.. Distance = vt +1/2at2 - you know the time, the initial velocity v should have been 0, a is the acceleration (=g sin f, where f = slope of the 'ramp' an angle), the final velocity is v=at, a as before, you measured t, so you can get the final velocity, and hence the final kinetic energy 1/2mv2, the change in potential energy is mg x height. If you're still stuck ask again..83.100.174.70 13:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

e.coli

where can i get the perfect ultra structure of Escherichia coli bacterium?--hima 11:20, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Try checking the external links at e coli. X [Mac Davis] (DESK|How's my driving?) 18:23, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Transmission of communication signal along with high voltage transmission line

Is it possible to transmit communication signal along with high voltage transmission line by varying frequency of communication signal

...................nivas.... " nivasfellow @ yahoo.co.in"

Yes. It's been tried and tested. yandman 11:33, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
See power line communication. Weregerbil 11:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
By "varying frequency of communication signal" do you mean amplitude modulation at other than the power frequency, or do you mean frequency modulation ? Various systems have been used for many decades as described in the article cited above. Electric utilities use amplitude modulated signals or unmodulated carrier transmitted over power lines for telemetry and for protective relaying. They have also used them for radiotelephone communications. One problem with using these systems for communicatind the state of the system back to the main dispatch center is that if the lines are knocked down, shorted to ground, or they overload and fail, is that the information transmission is lost with the power oine, leaving the dispatchers less able to communicate with generating stations and substations. Wavetraps have to be installed wherever transformers are connected to the powerline, which are band reject filters to isolate the radio signal from being shorted out by the transformer windings. They have to be tuned to the frequency of the carrier current signal. Frequencies below the AM broadcast band are typically used. Low power college AM radio services have been piped to dorms using carrier current at normal AM broadcast frequencies; the building wiring carries the signal to each room, without a broadcast license. Edison 15:16, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Science question on Miscellaneous Desk

Just a note to point out a science question on the Miscellaneous Desk:

If any regulars here could help over there, that would be great. Carcharoth 11:54, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maxwell–Boltzmann statistics

In Maxwell–Boltzmann statistics#A derivation of the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution can anyone explain what "even though the ad hoc correction for Boltzmann counting is ignored, the results remain valid." means ie what is the ad hoc correction?

Also in the derivation the modal distribution ie the distribution giving greatest value of W is found by ".. taking the derivative with respect to Ni, and setting the result to zero and solving for Ni yields the Maxwell-Boltzmann population numbers", but the mode is not the average - isn't the distribution supposed to represent the average distribution based on the assumptions. i.e. it should give a mean distribution and not the mode.83.100.174.70 12:39, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know what the ad hoc correction is referring to, I've never heard of it. It sounds vague. As for your second question, the MB distribution can be interpreted as a probability distribution, so you can get all sorts of things like the mean, and the mode. It tells you much more than the average. The procedure you described does indeed give you the mode. The mode corresponds to the single peak of the curve, so if you differentiate this, the new function will be zero at precisely that point. --HappyCamper 15:55, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I was thinking that as the derived equation (on the wikipedia page) gives an energy distribution based on the mode - isn't this wrong for a statistical treatment - in terms of statistics the mode is definately not the average (in most/many cases). The mean(averaged) distribution is in fact a noticably different shape..(and a different equation). Interpreting the modal distribution as a probability distribution is wrong, eg if I toss two dice - take the modal value (ie 7) - I can not use this as a probability..83.100.174.70 16:08, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You know, I think the articles need to be fixed up a bit. I also I think I've misinterpreted your question. Have you taken a look at Maxwell–Boltzmann distribution? That was what I was thinking of, in particular, the equations at the bottom of the page. As far as I can tell, Ni itself is not the average, nor the mode in your original question. I'm sorry, the best I can do for now is to direct you to another source. If you have McQuarrie and Simon - (physical chemistry, a molecular approach) on hand, see chapter 17 pg. 693 - I think the idea you want to get out of this, is that (I will quote): "The probability that a system in an ensemble is in the state j with energy Ej(N,V) is proportional to ". That is the crux of a lot of results that follow in "classical" statistical mechanics. --HappyCamper 16:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Haven't got that specific book but have seen many similar.. My point is that the above (both) take an approximation to the actual average distribution - by taking the modal distribution (the one with the highest W - number of ways to obtain it). Unfortunately this discards all other distributions that contribute to the actual average distribution. This fact is often overlooked but I see no reason why it should not be mentioned as a 'flaw' in the derived equation in wikipedia even though some reputable books omit to mention it.83.100.174.70 17:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at Maxwell–Boltzmann distribution#Distribution of speeds raises even more problems as I see it.. if probability(En) = fn(En) {where fn(x)=ae-bx} then for a noble gas (psuedo ideal gas) 1/2mv2=E therefore v=sqrt (2En/m) . - but as fn(En) is an inversly exponential graph (as given) then the speed distribution will also drop off consistently as En increases - therefor not having a bump as shown in the diagram or supplied equation. seeMaxwell–Boltzmann distribution#Distribution of speeds. So what on earth is going on???83.100.174.70 17:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, okay, I think you are using "modal" differently from how I am using it. The approximation is justified in part, by the extremely large numbers involved, but you are correct to say that there are a number of subtleties associated with this process. f(E_n) is not the same as f(v) - there is a change of variables that takes place in that derivation. --HappyCamper 19:02, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The derivation finds the distribution that has the greatest number of ways to obtain it ie W is maximum, this distribution is the modal one (see mode), the mean, or average distribution would take all the possible distributions (weighted by the number of ways to obtain them ie multiply by W as defined in the article).
Unfortunately the approximation is not justified (if you wish to use the distribution as a measure of probabilities) - since the average distribution is very different from the modal distribution.83.100.174.70 19:17, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The change of variables of course makes a difference - it the case of molecular speeds the x axis is scaled as the square root eg a plot with x~energy, becomes x~sqrt(energy) - this would cause a change in measured slope at a given point - but does not cause a change in form of the graph - eg from inverse exponential (e-kE) (note no hump) to the form given in Maxwell–Boltzmann distribution#Distribution of speeds (the graph now has a hump, why??); something is very wrong here.83.100.174.70 19:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Trick chemistry question.

Hey! I have a chemistry question here that I think maybe a trick question. It asks: Find the number of oxygen atoms in 25g of CO2. Is it 2? Or is it (after stoichemetry) 6.8 x 1023.
The way i thought of it is that there are two Oxygen atoms in the CO2 compound. But there are A LOT of Oxygen molecules in the 25g of it. Thanks for any feedback! --Agester 14:35, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There are no oxygen molecules in 25g of Co2, there are only Co2 molecules. It's not a trick question. Just divide 25g by (2*molar mass of oxygen + molar mass of carbon), multiply by a mole, multiply by two. Is that how you got 6.8E23? yandman 14:43, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, there's two oxygen atoms in each molecule of CO2, but there's lots of CO2 molecules in 25g of the stuff. As Yandman says, do the maths. --jjron 14:55, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the help on that question! I thought it'd be the 6.8E23. However, I'm stuck on another tricky chem question. I don't feel the need to spam this desk with several topics of chem question but i'm really really stuck. The density of a 1.95 Molar solution of KBr in water is 1.16 g/mL. Find the molality of this solution. The formula weight of KBr is 119.0 AMU.

What I tried was assuming it's one liter as your volume. Therefore you'd have 1.95 moles. Convert that 1.95 moles into grams which came out to be 232.05g (or .23205 kg) and then tried to get the molality now by dividing moles over kg and got 8.4 Mol/kg. Which isn't a choice here.
Second attempt i tried to assume okay. I have one liter. Lets use that for the density. 1160g/1000mL. And tried to divide my moles into that and got 1.68 mol/kg which isn't a choice either.
What am I doing wrong? I know the second attempt was badly incorrect from the start but it was worth a stab. --Agester 16:09, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I would not expect the question to be constructed in this way...here would be my approach:
  1. First find the molar mass of CO2 - that would be about 12 + 16 + 16 = 44 g / mol
  2. Now, find the number of moles of CO2 you would have. That would be (25 g )/(44 g / mol) = 25/44 mol
  3. Now, for each mole of CO2, there are 2 moles of O atoms. So that means, there are 25/44 * 2 = 25/22 mols of O atoms
  4. Now, for each mole there are an Avogadro's number of particles. So that gives you (25/22 mols) * (6.022 *1023) = 6.843 *1023 which is precisely the answer that you got originally!
The core concept behind this question does not focus on densities, or whatnot. The question is really focusing on whether you understand what a "mole" is and whether you understand the relationships between the ratios of atoms that are in CO2 - you do not need to be concerned with the actual connectivity that exists between the atoms - that comes much later. --HappyCamper 16:56, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I read the question several times and was unable to think, like a robot in Star Trek given two comands at once. Bu what I get from the question is that the concept of molarity is hard to get for a non chemist.
200 people jump out of a plane. The density of air is zz pounds/cubicfoot all people fall in to water with a density of 1 ton/cubicmeter. How many people are there in the water. --Stone 17:10, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No the questioner wants to convert molarity to molality. The number you need is that water is 1 kg per liter. So a 1.95 molar solution divided by the mass of solution (1 kg) will get the answer (assuming you have a dilute solution at STP) Rmhermen 18:44, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So if I interpreted that right. Does that mean the Molality of the solution is 1.95 Mol/kg all along? After all if the assumed amount of water is 1 kg/L wouldn't that make the volume 1L mass 1kg therefore:
1 molar = 1.95 mole/ 1L
1.95 mole / 1 kg = 1.95 mol/kg
(and I assume it's STP too because the question doesn't list any other information on Temp or pressure.) However, what does the density have to do with this then? Just useless information? --Agester 21:08, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The confounding quantity here is of course the volume change associated with adding the KBr to water. We know that for a volume of solute (with mass ), we create a mixture of volume by adding a mass of the solvent (M=molarity; μ=molar mass), so that the mass of the solution is . We still know neither nor , but we additionally know . From that we can derive the ratio — obviously their individual values are irrelevant — and then calculate (m=molality). It all has to do with the volume change and (confusingly) with the different systems (before and after mixing) in reference to which molarity and molality are defined. Does that help? --Tardis 22:33, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not quite to sure what you mean Tardis. What is p' (or p prime?). Most of your work there is a little confusing to me. Like i'm not sure what you mean by V' either. In addition, How do we conclude to this mass of our solute? Unless we assume we have 1L of water and say we have 1.95 moles and then use the Molar mass to find out how many grams. But even then, a similar question would be what is V' and how does the density play in effect?
also! I managed to find our volume of KBr by assuming our volume of water is 1L. therefore we have 1.95 moles of KBr. With density in mind (1.16g/mL) i worked out 232.05g / V = 1.16 g/mL and volume eventually came out to 200 mL of KBr. I'm not sure if that helps us anymore or was just extra work but I tried throwing it around and stuff but no help for me. --Agester 01:12, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Um... ρ and are densities (as mentioned at the article, although for some reason it claims that uppercase rho is used there); the prime on one of them and on means that the variable applies to the solution and not to the solvent alone (that is, it applies to the latter state of the system; see the prime's meaning with regards to physics in its article). The mass of solute is derived from the definition of molarity (which is defined in terms of volume of solution); I left it in terms of precisely to avoid assuming any particular volume of water. Your calculation of the volume of KBr is flawed because you are dividing the mass of the solute by the density of the solution: the volume you get is the volume of solution which would have mass equal to the mass of KBr in a different amount of solution! If you can be more specific about what you don't understand (if anything, still) about the equations I wrote, that will help: it is extremely helpful to formalize the problem such that one does not make mistakes like operating on unrelated variables and being confused by numerical coincidences. --Tardis 03:03, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

tonsilitis

is it possible to get tonsilitis even if you have had ur tonsils taken out.

sorry this question is up twice, i didnt think it went up b4 - skye

No problem - I've removed the repeat question. Strictly speaking, tonsilitis is an inflamation of the tonsils, so no, you can't have tonsilitis after your tonsils have been removed. But one of the symptoms of tonsilitis is a sore throat (pharyngitis), which has many other causes as well, so you might feel as though you have tonsilitis even though it is really something else. Usual disclaimers ... I have no medical training, we don't provide medical advice and you should see your doctor if in any doubt. Gandalf61 15:16, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ok so, if my friend has tonsilitis i could get the sore throat from the tonsilitis but not the actual tonsilitis cause i have no tonsils. does that make sense?

I think the question comes down to this -- can tonsils grow back?

I know other organs can -- so why not tonsils? I suppose it's possible. And thus, getting tonsilitus after having ones' tonsils removed is not unfathomable. Vranak 16:54, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]


thanks... skye

Sore throats and tonsillitis, whether viral or bacterial infections can be contagious. I have known strep throat to be passed from person to person. Many sore throats are dangerous and the bacteria causing them can be highly transmissable. Other sore throats are mononucleosis also highly contagious. A sore throat may be scarlet fever. Untreated strep can lead to rheumatic fever. Please call your doctor, since Ref Desk is not a good source for medical advice. Edison 17:45, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tonsils can grow back. (I've seen them!) By that I mean that they grow back if they were not completely excised the first time. Mmoneypenny 19:36, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

physics junior cert experiment

how would you investigate the relationship between the length of a metallic conductor and its resistance? a brief description wold be a huge help...thanks.83.71.61.203 16:51, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Take a wire - span it like clothesline that you have both ends at one side and a u-turn at the other - measure U and I of a battery at different place and draw a chart!--Stone 17:01, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See Electrical resistance and Ohm's Law. With a typical ohmmeter or digital multimeter, it may take a long length of very fine wire to get clear results. A spool of very small wire, like # 28 or #30 wire, obtainable at places like Radio Shack, or will have more easily measured resistance than a short length of say #12 wire or even #22 doorbell wire. Resistance varies with wire diameter and with what metal the wire is made of. You should touch the ohmmeter leads together and note the lead resistance, probably a few tenths of an ohm, and subtract that from resistance of the wire. Make sure the wire is bare and shiny where you connect the leads, either by just touching them to the wire or with alligator clips (measure and deduct the resistance of the alligator clip leads as well). Then measure the resistance of, say 1 foot, 50 feet, 100 feet, etc up to the total length. Note the room temperature and record it as part of your data, since resistance varies slightly with temperature. Graph your data and see the form of the relationship between length and resistance, with wire diameter and temperature held constant. You could also use separate ammeter and voltmeter to get a better hands on idea of what you are measuring. Edison 18:00, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If you don't have an ohm-meter, you can use a voltmeter, ammeter and Ohm's law. The basic principle is to vary length while keeping material wire is made from, cross-sectional area, and temperature constant. 80.169.64.22 17:14, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

a maths proof

there are six people in a room. it is then certain that eiter:at least 3 people know each other OR at least 3 people dont know each other. how is it certain?

Does it count to say when all 6 people meet in a room all of them know each other then? So it's the "4 or more" choice. X [Mac Davis] (DESK|How's my driving?) 18:21, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Answered in the Maths RD. Please do not post more than twice. -- DLL .. T 18:36, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Metals and Metals

Can there be a chemical bond between metals? What is that type of bond called?

Metal metal bonds are common in many to core complexes. There are single double ore triple bonded metals in some complexes.--Stone 17:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Cyclopentadienyliron dicarbonyl dimer is one!--Stone
See also Metallic bond. DMacks 19:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also see cold weld. StuRat 03:31, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dentistry as a separate course

Why is dentistry separatly taught from medicine? Why is there no separate course for neurology, etc...Mr.K. 17:52, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tradition! The dentist is historically derived from a poorly trainned Barber, while a doctor is coming from a university. This diversion is still there and as a combination would mean reduced funding nobody is integrating both!--Stone 17:56, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Surgeons also started out as Barber surgeon in past centuries, and in some countries are called "Mister" rather than "Doctor." In the U.S. dentists are called "Doctor" as are surgeons. Dentists before the late 19th century were generally "tooth-drawers" with little training, but today get extensive medical training related to their specialty in their 8 years of college, then receive a Doctor of Dental Surgery or Doctor of Dental Medicine degree, then have to pass a state board exam (in the U.S.). They may then take several years of additional training in a speciality. Dentists in the U.K. have to take a shorter training course, per Dentistry, and get a Bachelor of Dental Surgery. Edison 18:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Aren't the teeth pretty well independant? If you studied neurology or hematology, you'd have to know all about the body. With teeth, you just have to know the mouth and jaw, and try not to cause infections.X [Mac Davis] (DESK|How's my driving?) 01:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Barber surgeon was seen as not medicine. To cut of arms and legs is more like drawing teeth! Nowerdays the seperation is still there, but not that dentists are poorly trained! I hope nobody understood it this way! --Stone 18:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
IANADentist, but the statement that the teeth are pretty well independent needs a wee response. Dentists (in the UK) spend 5 years at dental school, then a year as a vocational trainee before being allowed to practice independently. If they want to specialise in say Orthodontics they will spend an additional 2-3 years at a teaching hospital then do a 3 year Masters Degree in Orthodontics followed by an additional 2 years to become an Orthodontic consultant. Saying that the teeth are independent is like saying that the blood or nerves are independent. Dentists need to know about head, neck and throat cancers (since doctors very rarely look into people's mouths (as you'll know if you've ever been admitted to hospital.)) They will also need to know about congenital craniofacial abnormalities and the effects of various systemic diseases on the mouth, e.g. B12/folate deficiency, sarcoidosis etc. Mmoneypenny 19:34, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What is repsonsible for eye drying that comes with sleepiness?

Is this melatonin? Melatonin is secreted by the retina as the article states.

I believe that there's at least half a dozen different glands that secrete different oils across the surface of the eye, to keep it nice and lubricated as you blink. If there's a problem with these glands, or your body in general (which supplies nutrients to these glands) -- or if the room you're in has a lot of dust in it, then you'll get dry-eye. Sleepiness is associated with dry-eye, but it is not the cause per se. Vranak 18:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think I read that this comes from blinking less unconciously, to try and get you to close your eyes for good so they are wet. When I don't wet my eyes by closing and er... squeezing my glands, they can get pretty dry and feel like fiberglass. eek! And this is in every climate (not just saying weather). X [Mac Davis] (DESK|How's my driving?) 20:10, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I asked a similar question recently, which I think is what you are referring to. I don't think anyone really knew the answer. BenC7 08:59, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thansk for that one. I wonder where to look for an answer!! X [Mac Davis] (DESK|How's my driving?) 19:26, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Chicken breasts

With a choice between deboned and deskinned chicken breasts versus chicken breasts with skin and bones isn't it healthier to get the chicken breast with skin and bones since the body needs some fat too? 71.100.6.152 20:31, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Are you eating an *entirely* fat-free diet? --24.249.108.133 21:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Nope. I am overweight by 30 plus pounds though, have borderline high cholesterol and high blood pressure. Even using artificial sweeteners exclusively for well over a year (except for yogurt) I have an inability to come within or near 20 pounds of being overweight no matter what foods are in my diet or if I eat so little that I stay hungry. I can not swallow tuna or other meats unless lubricated with some oil or condiments or other foods like vegetables so if an "entirely" fat-free diet would be just as healthy I would do it. 71.100.6.152 21:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Health is a funny thing. In a 1567 monograph by Swiss physician Paracelsus, it was observed that "All things are poison and none are without poison," a phrase which is usually said "The dose makes the poison." Everybody and their diets are a little bit different and it can be harder to generalize than people say. We don't know you very personally, although I'm betting people will say to eat the deskinned one, since you have enough fat in your diet other places. X [Mac Davis] ::(DESK|How's my driving?) 22:18, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The bones don't matter as you likely won't eat them anyway. The skin, however, and the fat right under the skin, are high in bad fat and bad cholesterol. You will get more than enough fat and cholesterol from lean, skinless chicken breasts. Ideally, you should get good fat and cholesterol from things like avocados, salmon, and vegetable oils (avoid partially hydrogenated oils, however). Avoid all trans-fats completely. StuRat 01:21, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You haven't asked for weight loss advice, but I'm going to give you some. Some people can't lose weight by controlling their diets, I'm one of them. Whether it's high protein, low calorie, low fat, I always plateau and no matter how much I reduce my food intake I don't lose weight. I have to exercise. Maybe that's true for you too. I suggest that you go and get a checkup and talk to your doctor about starting (or augmenting) an exercise plan. I should also say that - for me - aerobics are fine, but I don't lose weight with just aerobic exercise (walking, running, etc). However, when I do weight training, I drop weight like, well, weight. Get some sensible guidance from people in the know and get moving. Anchoress 09:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"The body needs some fat too" is correct, but do not deceive yourself, there is ample fat in lean chicken breast. The fat is in muscle cells, as well as in fat cells. In the case of chicken, there is much less fat "hidden" inside the muscle than is the case with "marbled" meat, like beef. This I have known for a long time, but I have not checked it myself, so I did some calculations based on data from the USDA website. I was surprised:
     Chicken Breast With and Without Fat and Skin 
     (Yield from a 1 kg Chicken Prepared for Cooking.)
                                    Fat(g)     Energy(kJ)
     Meat with skin and fat          10.15       1078
     Meat (skin and fat removed)      3.89        810
     Chicken Breast (fat and skin removed)
            Compared to Beef Filet of Tenderloin (all visible fat removed)
                (Quantity of each is 100g)
                 Fat(g)        Energy(kJ)
     Chicken      3.03           632
     Beef        11.12           912
So there is no risk of suffering from fat deficiency if you eat meat without visible fat - 3% fat for the leanest chicken, 11% for the leanest beef. Something you can look up for yourself: Lean pork has less fat than lean beef.
One final note: "Staying hungry" is not a criterion for deciding whether your diet is strict enough for you to be able to lose weight. If you look at the Hunger article (unfortunately at present not much more than a tag) you can click on the links there to get a better picture of the physiology of hunger. Inter alia, Leptin and Ghrelin are fashionable topics in this field. Well, now I need a peanut butter sandwich... --Seejyb 21:45, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Wanted to point out that even if your diet doesn't appear to help you lose weight, you're still likely to be far healthier if you adopt a healthier diet. Point being, just because you don't notice a difference in weight from eating chicken with the skin-on doesn't mean it's a good idea Nil Einne 13:56, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
LOL I love peanut butter too but even though it is supposed to have more protein than calf's liver it has an awful lot of fat too. On peanut butter I gain weight almost as if I'm eating pure fat. If I could find a way not to be hungry then that would help a lot in reducing the number of calories I consume which is the problem as far as I've been told rather than either fat or protein. Its just that fat has a lot more calories than protein. Tried sipping constantly on sodas but the doc said not to do that anymore since I was putting myself at risk of contracting diabetes. 71.100.6.152 13:57, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely zero not really that cold?

Absolute zero has always facinated me in high school chemistry. The possibility of all molecular action stopping at a "mere" -273 below zero. Considering how hot things can get -- indeed is there even a maximum for heat? -- it seems we are living on the awfully cool side of the temperature universe. --24.249.108.133 21:12, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is, in fact, a theoretical maximum temperature for the universe. Review Heat death of the universe, which is a very interesting concept. You might also want to read Big Freeze, which is about the cold death of the universe.
For any individual mass, however, there is no upper bound for "heat," as energy in a particle with mass can grow without bound as the particle approaches the speed of light. Hipocrite - «Talk» 21:21, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
But there is a theoretical upper limit for temperature. Ironically, it isn't what you expect: it's -0 K. See Negative temperature. Titoxd(?!?) 22:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Also interesting is Orders of magnitude (temperature) -- Sandman30s 11:41, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it does seem we are living on the cold side. It is easy for me to heat something by way more than 273 Celsius, and impossible to cool it more than 273 Celsius starting from zero Celsius. Edison 15:21, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

bullets from spitfires and hurricanes

During the Battle of Britain, did bullets from spitfires and hurricanes shooting down Germans accidentally kill anyone on the ground? Paul Silverman 22:03, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Seeing how they would carry ~8 .30cal machine guns, which yield a lot of rounds, there's probably a damn good chance they did. I'm not sure how easy it would be to find actual reports, however. Saying the RAF is strafing its own people wouldn't be good for morale, so the civilian deaths were probably chalked up to enemy fire.--138.29.51.251 01:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

latent heat

What is going on inside a molecule during a phase change that causes or allows energy to be absorbed yet without producing an increase in temperature? Adaptron 22:50, 14 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't done heat science in a while, though i'm starting to learn thermochemistry now...but if I remember correctly the molecules are gaining potential energy during the change, and not actual kinetic energy that you would see as the temperature incereases? I'm not sure, but check out the wikipedia articles of state changes and different types of energy. 74.102.89.241 00:30, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The energy goes to either making or destroying the bonds between the molecules. For example with water, when either boiling or melting the energy goes towards breaking the hydrogen bonds between the water molecules. -anonymous6494 02:16, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Basically, in a substance, the atoms that make it up are pulled toward eachtother by intermolecular forces (Hydrogen, Ionic, and Covalent bonds, London dispersion forces, etc.). As the atom gains energy it moves faster and faster, "bouncing around" until it finally gains enough energy to overcome the intermolecular forces, and breaks free. However, one must remember that when boiling a liquid, or during any phase change, not all of the atoms/molecules have enough energy to break free and undergo phase change(See Maxwell-Boltzmann Distribution on Wikipedia, or here). For any temperature, molecules are moving at different speeds. As a result, only a given amount of the substance has enough energy for phase change (only those moving over a speed of "x" change - the number of the molecules with that speed increases with temperature). That's why when you boil water the whole pot of it doesn't go "poof" into water vapor, and the phase change takes place over the time (i.e. the bubbles of H2O gas released from the pot). --AstoVidatu 02:30, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Why then do certain substances such as carbon dioxide skip the liquid phase entirely and go "poof" i.e., go from being a solid directly to a gas? Adaptron 05:41, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Because the pressure's too low for carbon dioxide to do so. Have a look at this. David Da Vit 19:24, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
See also Gibbs free energy. In short, despite the fact that less energy would be required to turn the CO2 into a liquid instead of a gas, leaving more energy to become heat and therefore entropy, the increased entropy (disorder) of the gas phase makes it preferable. At a high enough pressure, it requires so much energy to give the gas a volume appropriate to its temperature and mass that it becomes more profitable (in terms of entropy) to move to the liquid phase and use the energy to provide disordering thermal motion. Does that help? --Tardis 21:06, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
So then if "disordering thermal motion" is a variable like volume, pressure and temperature what is the equation that includes it as a variable? Adaptron 10:07, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]


December 15

Coilgun

Where could I get a good capacitor(s) for a coilgun?--67.172.248.207 01:33, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

read the article on coilgunsBeckboyanch 05:39, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The coilgun article doesn't directly answer your question, but it does link to a page describing a home-made coil gun, in which the constructor says he used "two capacitors that I pulled out of an old CRT monitor". Gandalf61 10:52, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
See also the PowerLabs - Coilguns page. ☢ Ҡiff 11:01, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Make sure to judge how much you know about electrical engineering and physics already. If you don't know where to get a capacitor for this, you might not be a good candidate for trying to build it, which is presumably what you are doing. Ebay always works, :) X [Mac Davis] (DESK|How's my driving?) 19:25, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ive heard that Maxwell make good high voltage capacitors. See User:BillC whoops it User:Bert Hickman page on coin shrinking. He uses BIG caps. You could also try Sphere Research [www.sphere.bc.ca] . They have all sorts of weird goodies!--Light current 20:16, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Sodium Coma"

While not looking for medical advice, I am curious to biochemical reason why I get extremely sleepy after eating lots of salty foods (olives, snack chips, processed cheese). It's like a dense sleepitime fog falls over me and I routinely fall asleep if I'm sitting down. I jokingly refer to as as a "sodium coma". It's a different feeling the typical post-Thanksgiving carb overload. --72.202.150.92 01:47, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, could it be Vasopressin? --Wooty Woot? contribs 02:00, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sleepiness from NaCl is not an expected response. Could it be that the foods contain Tryptophan, and that you are sensitive to this? The article has a list of foods rich in this amino acid; you may wish to compare that with your sleepy snacks experience. --Seejyb 15:09, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Could it be something simple like you're not getting enough water Nil Einne 13:58, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Herion OD = 1-10mg Narcan. Cocaine OD = ?

When treating a Heroin overdose, an injection of 1-10mg Narcan is given. This snaps them out of it - but Narcan only works for opiates.

What is used for stimulants such as cocaine or amphetamines?

--69.138.61.168 04:27, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is no equivalent "reversal" agent for cocaine or amphetamines. People who overdose on cocaine or amphetamines are treated symptomatically; they may be sedated; they will be treated for complications such as fever, convulsions, or heart attack if they occur. - Nunh-huh 04:36, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Reference Desk is not a good source for medical advice. Please contact a doctor or other valid source. Edison 15:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No medical advice was asked for, and none was given. Please take note of what "medical advice" actually is, and please stop leaving messages suggesting it was given when it wasn't. - Nunh-huh 04:29, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
However, to pique your interest in the science of pharmacology: Yes, there is no specific receptor antagonist to those drugs, so one is left with the supportive therapy (no article yet, but in principle a more drastic form of symptomatic treatment) that Nunh-huh describes. The other specific antagonist you may hear about is flumazenil, which antagonises a benzodiazepine coma (for which naloxone won't work). --Seejyb 15:39, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Steroids and HGH

Would it be correct to say steroids cause the expansion of muscle fibers and Growth Hormone causes an increase in the number of muscle fibers?

Anabolic steroids can increase muscle mass, but can cause "elevated cholesterol (increase in LDL, decreased HDL levels), acne, elevated blood pressure, hepatotoxicity, and alterations in left ventricle morphology." Growth hormone increases the number of muscle cells in Danio fish but not in Zebra fish (I am in a rush, so cannot find the ref now, but will look later). Humans are like Zebra fish, so taking growth hormone to develop muscles is a waste of time. --Seejyb 16:38, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
OK, see P. R. Biga and F. W. Goetz. Zebrafish and giant danio as models for muscle growth: determinate vs. indeterminate growth as determined by morphometric analysis. Am J Physiol Regulatory Integrative Comp Physiol, Nov 2006; 291: R1327 - R1337. --Seejyb 22:02, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Falling

What creates the sensation of falling one sometimes experiences just before sleep? Thanks! S.dedalus 04:58, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For various theories, see hypnagogic jerk - Nunh-huh 05:04, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sleep paralysis? During sleep, the body is paralyzed to prevent the dreamer from acting out his dream. Sometimes, the body is paralyzed too soon, when it is still awake. Hallucinogens can occur for the same reason dreams occur, and of course, nobody can be certain why dreams occur. --Bowlhover 05:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

starfish

i have a dried starfish (bought at a tourist shop) missing parts of two limbs. is it possible to recuscitate it by placing it in salty water? Flowerykewlstuffz123 05:26, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No. It's dead. It is an ex-starfish. - Nunh-huh 05:39, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sea star mentions that a starfish may regenerate from as few as a single ray, but as Nunh-huh mentioned above, the starfish you describe is pining for the fjords. - CHAIRBOY () 05:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This starfish is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't shellacked 'im to the diorama 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! - Nunh-huh 05:46, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"...and I never wanted to work in a fish store anyway, I always wanted to be a lumberjack...". StuRat 22:25, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Just in case anyone does not understand the allusion - see Dead Parrot. And a stiff is just a corpse. There are no hidden meanings here. Gandalf61 10:44, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
At least, there weren't, until you alluded to them. :-) —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 13:22, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

While some animals can survive dehydration, a starfish is not one of them. I tried once, and got a soggy, dead, starfish. (It didn't smell nearly as pleasant as you might imagine.) StuRat 22:25, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you take the starfish, place it in 700 ml of water at hand temperature, cover with a lid, and microwave for about 4 minutes on maximum power, it may be woken up by the sudden blast of warmth combined with microwave energy, and this can trigger its rejuvenation.
Of course, there is the other 99.3% of a chance that you'll end up with a really impressive explosive superheated mush coating your microwave's interior, but thats just the risk you have to take if you want to revive such creatures from their descent into the abyss. FT2 (Talk | email) 01:00, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hallucinogens in palliative care?

Have hallucinogens ever been used or proposed for palliative care? It seems to me that they could, at least in theory, do three things to help a terminally ill patient who is no longer capable of communicating with others (whether due to blindness and deafness, loss of speech, diminished mental functioning or just institutionalization without access to loved ones): relieve boredom, decrease awareness of physical distress, and provide spiritual experiences that might help reconcile them to their upcoming death. NeonMerlin 06:13, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

According to this article, yes. However I would think that administering any non-medically-necessary substances to someone incapable of indicating consent would be illegal, or at least severely unethical. Anchoress 06:29, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well then, suppose the patient had given consent in advance? NeonMerlin 12:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm... I don't know. I suppose somebody who has information on the legal constraints surrounding drug administration might know. Anchoress 12:55, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Bad trip + can't communicate = bad idea. --Wooty Woot? contribs 10:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, they have been proposed and used for palliative care. This BBC reportgives an overview of possible uses. Note that this use does not refer to persons who cannot communicate, but that any therapy is guided by the patients' reports of an improvement of quality of life. Another way of thinking about this: 1. When a person cannot communicate, then only medical signs can be treated (not symptoms, since these rely on reporting). 2. Signs can usually be managed by "conventional" medications. 3. Is there such a sign as "lack of hallucinations"? --Seejyb 16:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have much in the way of sources... try erowid's vault which has huge archives on psychoactive drugs and their research. But yes, in the period between discovery of psychoactive drugs such as LSD, and their banning by the US Government, they were extensively tested for use in therapy, palliative care, and many other situations. FT2 (Talk | email) 00:56, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Repetition speed for strength exercises- fast or slow

Hi there,

Could someone tell me what are the pros and cons to different repetition speeds when doing weight exercises?

Best regards,

Amsbam

I have only anecdotal information (that which I've gleaned from various fitness instructors), such as that fast reps are to be undertaken with caution because it increases the likelihood of injury; slow reps are better because they work the muscle better, etc. But I have no references for those assertions. You might want to look at some of these links, which seem to have more info. Good luck, and maybe someone with more information/education will chime in. Anchoress 08:55, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciate the insight Anchoress, thanks.

Withdrawal of Supplies of amitripyline tablets

Here in the Seville area it is impossible to obtain amitriptyline tablets at present, since the begining of December. The story is that the pharmacists don't know why the supplies have stopped. They say possibly a change of tablet or change of package. In my experience, decades as a nurse, this is unprecedented. Has it happened elsewhere? Does anybody know what the real reason is? Thanks in anticipation

(Assuming you are not from Spain, but from Ohio) The information on shortages, kept by the FDA, can be found here, but amitriptyline is not mentioned. I assume you would then have to look for a local problem. Another ref desk editor may have local knowledge. --Seejyb 16:03, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That type of supply disruption is not unique to medications (but may be a far more serious issue there) and is often caused by having a single supplier system. Another risk is usage of the just in time delivery system, where stocks are intentionally kept low to reduce storage costs. With the combination of the two, virtually any production or distribution problem can cause severe shortages. StuRat 22:16, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks for that.

You're welcome. I also looked at the FDA site on drug shortages: [1], but they don't list any shortage of amitripyline. I couldn't find any mention of a general shortage in Spain, either. StuRat 05:12, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for looking StuRat. Richard A.

earth

How old is the Earth 59.93.61.66 10:23, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Age of the earth. Anchoress 11:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Audio - Centre Channel Extractor on Adobe Audition

I suppose this should be a computer/software question but it mainly involves science so: How is it possible that one can isolate the "centre" channel of a stereo audio track? I understand how it's possible to remove the "centre" channel using one inverted channel combined with the non-inverted other channel. To use an equation: LC (left, centre) + -RC (minus right, minus centre) = L-R - thus removing the centre channel. It's impossible to remove the centre channel using this method, so how does a piece of software do it?

Not sure how this jibes with your equations, but a speaker connected from left channel phase to right channel phase, neglecting the ground connection of each channel, might extract the center channel (or maybe it completely suppressed the center channel!). Dolby prologic does fancier combinations; that's just a 1970's trick. Not sure how your Adobe Audition would correspond, since that trick was physical wiring. Edison 15:28, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This would completely cancel the centre channel - which is very easy and simple maths. I'm talking about actually isolating the centre channel, disregarding the left and right (side) channels. Adobe Audition can do this. I don't know how though. I'm sure it's probably a closely guarded secret by Adobe, but would be interested to know if anyone has any theories. Out of phase separation (oops) is a very simple equation and process based on analogue waveform manipulation, Adobe's "centre channel extractor" must be very complicated and purely digital. Any thoughts?

I'm no sound engineer, but it seems that once you've cancelled the centre channel (left plus inverted right), you could just "subtract" what's left from the original signal in the same way (original plus inverted (left plus inverted right)) to get only the thing you cancelled, i.e. the centre. Maelin (Talk | Contribs) 02:19, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No because:

(LeftCentre) + Minus(RightCentre) = (LeftMinusRight) (cancelling the centre channel)

Your proposal is to take that result and subtract it from the original to get pure centre channel, but what happens is:

(LC) + (-RC) = (L-R)

(L-R) + -(LRCC) = (-L+R-CC)

End result: Same as original source but with one inverted side channel.

I don't know about all your plus and minus stuff, but I do know that if you can eliminate the center channel, you can also isolate it. There may be an easier method, but what I do is 1:eliminate the center channel 2:mix both the new and the original signals into mono (that is, into two mono signals, one with the center and one without it), panning one completely left and one completely right. In that new mix, sound that had previously been in either the left or right channel(but not both) in the stereo mix is now equally in both left and right channels. The sounds from the original mix that were in the "center" channel are now off to one side. 3: Now eliminate the new "center" channel, the original center will be all that remains. Here is a little diagram to help explain my ramblings. I have used the letters A B and C to represent different sounds.

                    Left     Right       Left  Center  Right             Step 1           Left    Right
       original:     AC       BC     =     A     C       B       Remove Center Channel:    A        B
 
       Step 2       Left     Right       Left  Center  Right             Step 3           Left    Right
    pan signals:  ABC(or.)   AB(new) =     C     AB              Remove Center Channel:    C

ants

Are there any ants that specialize in eating termites? 71.100.6.152 17:31, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure you could regard them are specialists but carpentar ants will eat termites. http://ohioline.osu.edu/hyg-fact/2000/2063.html David D. (Talk) 17:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Don't guess carpenter ants do as much damage as termites but I'm looking for an ant type that is small enough to chase down termites inside the tunnels they make in wood. 71.100.6.152 19:46, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
An insect inspector told me the Carpenter Ants dig out a hole in the wood to make their nest. Termites actually EAT the wood. So yeah, termites are more destructive. 12.10.127.58 21:10, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
To expand, carpenter ants do not destroy 'good' wood, termites do (that is the EAT bit). If you have a problem with carpenter ants then you have rotten wood, which is a problem without the aggrevation of the ants. David D. (Talk) 21:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
So seeing carpenter ants means rotten wood. Humm.. I'l put that away for future reference. 71.100.6.152 21:51, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

circumcision and aids

Do you folks really believe that circumcision helps us against HIV infections (see Circumcision#HIV) or it will just put circumcised men at risk?

It's in all the newspapers at present. http://news.google.com/news?client=safari&rls=en&q=circumcision%20AIDS&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn
Read the articles and see what you think. These types of reports are always open to interpretation. Primarily it depends on how many people were involved in the study. David D. (Talk) 17:46, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, to be honest, does it matter? The risk will be there anyway, it's not like "ohhh, I'm circumcided, now I go do unprotected sex with strangers because I'm invulnerable to aids." Good sex habits cuts the risk by 99% 212.10.217.122 21:28, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

for the record, out of every 10,000 (ten thousand) people that have sex, only 5 people get an HIV transmission. There are far more dangerous things than sex, unless of course you're so horny that you have sex every day.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.225.160.106 (talkcontribs)
For clarity, the following factual answer uses correct medical terminology in an appropriate and responsible sense. Please do not delete this answer just because you are offended by this terminology or the acts that it describes. To be clear about the statistics in the previous answer, the average rate of HIV infection for unprotected penile-vaginal intercourse where one partner has HIV is indeed 5 in 10,000 acts for the male ("insertive") partner. However, the infection rate is 10 in 10,000 acts for the female ("receptive") partner in penile-vaginal intercourse, and it is 50 in 10,000 acts for for the receptive partner in anal intercourse - see HIV#Transmission and AIDS#Transmission and prevention. Also, note that these are average figures. Infectivity varies over a wide range according to the progress of the illness in the infected partner, and the presence of other sexually transmitted infections greatly increase the rate of HIV transmission. So the risk of infection from a single unprotected sexual act with an infected partner may be much higher than these average figures. There is indeed some evidence that circumcision reduces the infection rate for the insertive partner. However, a far more effective way to protect both partners from the sexual transmission of HIV and other STIs is to correctly use a condom. Gandalf61 09:54, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Understand that condoms have a finite effectiveness. Condoms can break at rates as low as 90-95%. So what that means is that receptive anal sex with a condom is about as risky as insertive fellatio. Regular sex with a condom 10 times (many people do that in a week easy) is as risky as insertive fellatio. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.225.160.106 (talk) 16:21, 16 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]
I believe the above comment was meant to say "condoms break at rates as high as 5-10%", right? --18.214.1.72 23:28, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Any statistics can only be a guide, and often not a very acurate one. For example, here are some confounds (unplanned-for factors which influence or confuse results):

  • What type of "condom" are we going to use. there's no "average" condom, a specific person usually has one consistent choice - thin, ribbed, normal, strong, length, tightness, age, manufacturer, storage conditions, lubricant used
  • What kind of sex and how do you do it - vaginal, oral, anal, long duration, brief, shallow thrusts, deep thrusts, fast, slow. Again, these are often quite consistent person to person.
  • How aware and careful are you about your condom use - before sex, how it is on the penis during sex, and its removal after sex. Likewise consistent.

So the problem is, that Jim has regular vaginal sex, he habitually uses a strong condom, his girlfriend likes it gentle, and he orgasms after 2 minutes in which time the condom stays where it was put. Andrew has anal sex and likes it rough, he's buys the ordinary condoms his local store sells.... their risks for each act will be very different, and that's consistent. Lessons:

  1. Be very wary of applying generalized statistics to one situation where the situation may consistently not match the basis of the statistics
  2. Think about safe sex in the context of your love life, not some other persons.

FT2 (Talk | email) 00:52, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

phosphoric acid as electrolyte

I recently left some copper on one side and some iron on the other side of a dish full of 30% phophoric acid and bubbles started coming from both metals and the iron began to take on a copper color. Does this mean that any acid will cause self-plating without an external current being supplied or does this only happen in phosphoric acid or is this really self-plating at all? 71.100.6.152 18:34, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There could have been some copper oxide on the copper that would react with the acid forming a copper compound - this would then plate the iron in the same way a copper sulphate solution does. Question - after a while was the copper clean (ie pink) - if you add more iron does it continue to plate with copper - I'm guessing that your mixture will only have a limited copper plating capacity.87.102.8.6 20:24, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Also copper phosphate is usually insolouble in water - which makes me slightly suprised you got any copper plating at all.. The same goes for Iron phosphate as far as I know - I would have expected to get a layer of metal phosphate on the surface of each metal and not much more - just goes to show how experiments are more valuble than theories.87.102.8.6 20:38, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Checking again after an hour revealed that the release of bubbles had slowed way down. Only the bottom portion of the iron up to the level of the top of the copper seems to be plated. The color is somewhat pink and flat. Above this the iron is turning black whereas when it was in the acid before the copper was added it was flat gray. I'm wondering if the acid is separated into copper phosphate and iron phosphate such that the layer surrounding the pink area is the copper phosphate while the area above is the layer of iron phosphate. The copper is somewhat dark but not black or real dark. 71.100.6.152 21:46, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What color is Iron Phosphate? If it is reddish, then it may imitate the color of copper as the Iron begins to react with the phosporic acid, leaving a residue 'plated' to the Iron surface. 12.10.127.58 21:10, 15 December 2006

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Both layers of acid are clear. The "plating" on the iron is not redish but black. 71.100.6.152 21:46, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Iron phosphate will probably be very dark - eg black see http://www.ilve.com.tr/en/surface-treatment/index.html or even better Parkerizing - if the iron is black now it's almost certain that the surface is iron phosphate - (what I would expect)

'pink and flat' as you describe it is how copper usually looks when it's initially plated - take it out of the liquid and it will slowly change to more common red copper colour as it oxidises in air.87.102.3.159 22:29, 15 December 2006 (UTC) Can you expand on " Only the bottom portion of the iron up to the level of the top of the copper seems to be plated" - these seems to me to mean that some of the iron has gone black and some pink.. All the iron is submerged in the acid? and the copper is not touching it?[reply]

Check now after about 3 hours hear is what I see...

71.100.6.152 23:27, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

has the acid got any colour now (copper phosphate probably blue or green) - it is possible that any dissolved salt eg Copper phosphate would settle towards the bottom in a still liquid. By the way the bubbles may not neccessarily by hydrogen - but may be simply dissolved air coming out of the liquid on the metal - this is not unlikely.87.102.8.141 22:09, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The clear acid is now slightly green. 71.100.6.152 23:29, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The green colour is almost certainly a dissolved copper compound (though to complicate things some iron compounds are also green).
Looks like any dissolved copper has stayed at the bottom - this isn't unrealistic as long as you don't stir the liquid. Is the black layer transparent ie clear or is it a precipitate ie made of suspended solid? (Also did you mix the acid with water - sometimes you could get a layer of water sitting on top of a layer of acid.)

From your diagram it looks like some copper has dissolved and diffused along the bottom plating the iron as expected. I'm a bit confused about the black layer as I wouldn't expect it to float to the top. Clearly coating the iron with copper prevents the competing reaction which is formation of iron phosphate. I'd guess no more bubbles have been formed? It sounds like what is happening is slow corrosion of both metals in acid with some competing chemical plating (this is electroless plating). As a suggestion I'd suggest adding another bit of iron just to see if it reacts in the same way. Also you could (if you have a pipette or similar) remove some of the liquid from the top, middle and bottom layers and see what effect that has on a new iron piece in three separate bottles..

As to your original question - this is electroless plating - usually to electrolessly plate with copper you would need a copper salt eg copper sulphate, is this case though it looks like the copper salt is beeing made 'in situ' by reaction of the copper with the acid. This situation is restricted to phosphoric acid - it would happen with other acids as well; though copper is not very reactive and how much dissolves would depend on the acid used - nitric acid dissolves copper easily but sulphuric acid dissolves copper very slowly.87.102.3.159 23:57, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If I stir up the acid a lot then the bubbles increase again. The dark layer at the top disperses somewhat in the acid and makes it a bit darker and cloudy. The copper now seems to be somewhat coated with a light layer of iron oxide, i.e., rust. Before taking a sample of each layer to test reactions with iron I have placed the iron in contact with the copper. This has slightly increased the bubbles from the iron but not by a whole lot. I’m curious if electroless plating done in this or a better way can be made sufficient enough to serve as a corrosion barrier for iron in air.71.100.6.152 01:22, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think in general electroless plating would be done with a already prepared solution of the metal to plate with, eg in a simple example you would place the iron in a copper sulphate solution - it's not really as good a method as electroplating - since once the iron is covered with a thin layer off copper no more is deposited - so only very thin coatings can be obtained - for a corrosion barrier electroplating, galvanising, or parkerizing would probably be preferable. The layer produced by electroless plating just isn't thick enough to give really good long term resistance to corrosion - though it is better than no coating at all.87.102.4.180 11:51, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
So then the difference between electroplating and electroless plating is not that in electroless plating all of the metal in the solution is used up which in an electroplating is replaced by the atoms in the anode but because the cathode (in this case) reaches electrical equilibrium as soon as it is covered with copper? 71.100.6.152 15:14, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You've got the difference right, sort of, I not sure if my answers were clear enough..
Obviously you know what electroplating is and how it works.
In electroless plating the reaction stops not because of an equilibrium being reached (being pedantic), because there will still be iron under the copper to react and probably copper still in solution. The plating stops because all the iron surface will be covered with copper - the copper forms a barrier preventing any more iron reacting. Once the iron is all coated with copper it is effectively electrochemically 'insulated' from the solution.
Also with electroless plating some of the iron must dissolve to get copper coating - it's the reaction Fesolid + Cu2+solution >>> Fe2+solution + Cusolid, this means that the 'iron' must be more reactive than the copper, (so silver and gold plating also work). However in electroplating the iron does not need to react - since the reduction of the metal in solution is done 'electrically' - so Iron can be electroplated with metals that would not normally react eg Ni or Cr.
In electroplating the 'work' is done by the electricity, in electroless plating the work is provided by the iron dissolving. 87.102.4.180 16:15, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that is what I was asking (although it appears that there is such a thing as Electroless nickel plating). This would explain how flaw in the iron might be "corroded" beyond and acceptable amount if electricity were not used to do the plating. In other situations it seems that electroless plating might actually be beneficial for this reason by helping to expose certain flaws at least using phosphoric acid. Would all acids cause iron to disolve or just phosphoric acid? 71.100.6.152 13:24, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
yes, that's right. answer - most acids will dissolve iron, including weak acids like vinegar (acetic acid), a few don't (concentrated nitric) becauase they 'pacify' the iron surface see http://www.cci.ethz.ch/experiments/Passivierung_Fe/en/stat.html. (Note I think electroless plating is sometimes used to coat iron/steel with copper prior to electroplating with chrome - a bit like a primer as used in paints).87.102.13.235 16:06, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The iron wire now removed from the phosphoric acid shows copper plating where the bubbles rose to the surface as well. some parts of the wire remain black but other parts have already acquired a surface coating of rust. I'm now going to put some nickel in a clean batch of phosphric acid and then put in some iron after the nickel that is left is removed in hopes of doing the electroless nickel plating. 71.100.6.152 21:00, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gums

How do gums stick things together61.0.133.51 18:37, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Could you be a little more specific - what kind of gum? Postage stamp gum, perhaps? If not, take a look under adhesive and gum, maybe it has the information you need? — QuantumEleven 20:16, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Temporal Resolution of the Compound Eye

Why is the temporal resolution of the compound eye higher than that of the human eye? Please don't tell me "The compound eye has a higher flicker fusion rate." because that is only a restatement. Which are the processes in which the compound eye / visual system is faster and why is it? Falk Lieder 18:52, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See: Interference and Photoreceptor recovery rate opps... not yet an article. Try Photoreceptor#Advantages and Visual phototransduction instead. Adaptron 19:07, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
My understanding is that the answer would be found in the second link - if it existed:) In the compound eye the rhodopsin is a bistable molecule - on absorbing a photon it changes from metarhodopsin, the retinal changing to the all-trans form. On absorbing a second photon, the metarhodopsin changes back to rhodopsin. It is the first change that initiates depolarisation, via a G-protein coupled mechanism. The second reaction simply restores sensitivity, i.e. it does not cause any further depolarisation. This flip-flop of rhodopsin-metarhodopsin-rhodopsin occurs repeatedly, it is quick, it does not deplete the supply of rhodopsin, and explains the rapid response of the compound eye. In vertebrates, by contrast, rhodopsin undergoes "bleaching" - the retinal splits off from the opsin protein, and the rhodopsin now has to be regenerated by relatively slow enzymatic means. So the difference seems to lie in how quickly the rhodopsin at a specific site can be regenerated. If the regeneration / recovery time is short, then a higher frequency flicker can be detected, but if it is slow, then the sequential flickers fuse at slower rates. The difference between the two rhodopsins (compound eye and vertebrate eye) lies in the opsin, not in the retinal part of the molecule - all animals have essentially the same photosensitive retinal component. The opsins differs, and determine wavelength sensitivity, whether the metarhodopsin can be directly reactivated, or whether it bleaches and has to be resynthesised. I hope this helps, and please ask if my explanation is dense - unfortunately I do not have a reference with me. --Seejyb 01:34, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for your excellent explanation! Falk Lieder 18:16, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

High temperature nuclear waste repository

Have any high temperature nuclear waste repositories been designed to concentrate the high temperature waste and use the heat to perform work such as boiling and thereby distilling water (through heat exchangers of course)? Adaptron 19:03, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No. The risk of contaminating ground water is very high already. When cheap fossil fuels abound, why bother messing with dangerous toxic wastes to produce energy? 70.225.160.106 04:13, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
By putting nuclear waste to beneficial use the deliberate effort to eliminate it as a source of contamination would be greatly enhanced. Besides naturally occuring deposits Natural nuclear fission reactor of radioactive material have been found which at one time had critical mass and were shielded only by overlayment and groundwater. Adaptron 16:01, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Digitising photos

More of an "advice" than a "knowledge" question, but I'm hoping you wizards of the reference desk will be able to help me nonetheless :). I have a large number (several hundreds) of photos printed from 35mm film, with their original negatives. I would like to digitise them if possible, with the aim of being able to print off the digitised versions (instead of having to take the negative into the photo shop to have the reprint made). I have experimented with the scanner at work, but the quality from scanning the photos in is not all that great (even after fiddling with the settings for awhile) - plus, for several hundred photos, it's not necessarily the best solution. Does anyone have ideas for digitising photos to "reprintable" quality? A film scanner, maybe? Thanks in advance for any tips! — QuantumEleven 20:13, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I would try a film (negative) scanner. Personally I have found them to be somewhat spotty, so you should really try to make sure you read reviews for them and possibly try out one yourself if you have the ability to. As for scanning the prints themselves, is the "scanner at work" an old mopier beast, or is it a relatively new flat-bed scanner? If it is not the former, that might be the source of your poor quality — you might want to try out a more up-to-date dedicated scanner. In my experience many old scanners and mopiers and things like that have far inferior quality to even a cheap flat-bed made in the last year or two. --140.247.240.127 20:55, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe many places where you can develop film will now also give you a digital version on disk, for a price, of course. The advantage is, you only have to pay once, and can make all the copies you want after that. StuRat 22:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

most of them give you 1.5 MP images at a crappy JPEG quality. doing it yourself is better.
That would be suitable for e-mail, but your right, is grossly insufficient for "reprintable" quality. On the other hand, only the most expensive scanners would have any hope of reproducing a photograph without a noticeable loss of quality. StuRat 05:02, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Get a scanner (Minolta, Nikon..) that's made for scanning film. many of them come with a tray that will feed uncut film rolls or 4-strips automatically, and software that will crop it properly and spit out a series of high-quality JPEGs or TIFFs.

Just a thought... would projecting the negatives on to a screen and taking the photographs using a digital camera help ? Of course, you'll need to convert the photos into their 'negatives' using some software on your PC to get the original colours. Besides, you'll also need a projector... --WikiCheng | Talk 10:25, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It would be very hard to get the colors right in something like that (even more so if doing it from negatives). And most digital cameras are going to have far less resolution in the final file than you could get from a scanner. Better to scan directly. --24.147.86.187 15:47, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There are a number of commercial services that will scan negatives for you, which can be cheaper and less time-consuming than scanning them on your own. Do a Google search for "negative scanner" and look at the sponsored links (ScanCafe looks pretty promising). howcheng {chat} 18:37, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tobacco Addictiveness

Could somebody tell me the exact addictiveness of tobacco and it's addictiveness compared to other drugs? A link to where the info was aquired and/or a trustworthy source for this information would also be nice (somewhere other than Wikipedia). BeefJeaunt 20:28, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How would you quantify "addictiveness" ? One way I could think of is as a percentage of people who are unable to quit. StuRat 22:04, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, forget "exact addictiveness". How addictive is tobacco compared to other common/well-known drugs, eg. cocaine, marijuana, alcohol, etc. I read here that nicotine "with a 90% addiction rate, is the most addictive of all drugs". I'm somewhat skeptical and would like to have this information verified (if at all possible). I also read that 70% of current smokers have tried to quit at NIDA's site, so I already have that statistic. I'm writing a thesis for grade 10, "Marijuana Vs. Tobacco", just in case anybody's suspicious.

I think this site will answer your question: [2] added by —AySz88\^-^ to replace [3]. Check out the chart at the end, especially. They tested nicotine, heroin, cocaine, alcohol, caffeine, and marijuana, and found marijuana to be the least addictive, with an approximate tie with caffeine. StuRat 04:50, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
To avoid pre-disposing people to the findings of the article, I replaced the link above with a plain text version of the news article. (The original had a bunch of interpretations and highlighting to point people to one specific finding which isn't really relevent.) —AySz88\^-^ 04:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Conjunctivitus

I am NOT seeking medical advice here or anything, but I would like to know: what are the symptoms of conjunctivitus; and what are the cures and/or preventions? thanks Herbynator 22:28, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Conjunctivitis explicitly states symptoms and treatments. Preventative measures you can take: avoid touching/rubbing/itching your eyes/face/nose as much as you can, scratch your face with your (upper) arm if you can't resist an itch. This will help prevent bacterial conjunctivitis (which requires innoculation of the eye directly) and viral conjunctivitis (which usually spreads from the nasal cavities). Talk to your physician about medications that reduce the symptoms of seasonal allergies if your conjunctivitis is allergenic, or find some way to avoid whatever allergens you can't deal with.Tuckerekcut 22:46, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

December 16

pyramid power

does anyone know the official site for this gym equipment hosted by brooke burke on TV? could it have made my abs not aligned?

are you suggesting thats a bad thing? abs that are built but not aligned are pretty sexy. they look more rugged and natural ;)

Explosives

Why is TNT usually used as a unit of energy or explosive power? For example, the recent nuke test in North Koria was classified as a "sub-kiloton" explosion, meaning the explosion was smaller than that of a kiloton of TNT. Is it because TNT is the most explosive (exluding nukes) or because it's widely available or what?

Also does any one have some stats on how other explosive compare with TNT (in eplosive energy-per-mass), particularly: C4, nitroglycerin, gun powder, fine black powder.

See relative effectiveness factor for an list of explosives compared with TNT by mass. grendel|khan 01:47, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As to the first question, I think it's just that in 1945 TNT was one of the widely known and widely used explosives. --Anonymous, December 16, 03:50 (UTC).
TNT equivalent was used for discussing nuclear weapons yields since 1945. The ability to detect the explosive yield of the first nuclear test (the Trinity test) was first calibrated against 100 tons of TNT, which is probably the source of the unit. It has since been standardized as a fixed number (see Ton#ton_of_TNT) for use in such discussions. They are used for nuclear weapons out of convention, and are continued as such for comparative purposes. --24.147.86.187 22:56, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What sort of apple was this?

My father was recently given what looked like an apply by a patient of his. I believe it may be a fruit of Korean extraction. It was like an apple, but larger--about grapefruit-sized--and the skin was brown and rough. The inside was textured more like a pear than an apple, and it tasted very faintly of starfruit. We kept it for nearly a week before eating it, but it was still very crisp. It came in a webbed-styrofoam sheath. What sort of apple was it, if it was indeed an apple? (None of the other pomes look likely. grendel|khan 01:42, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Everything but the skin sounds like a asian pear. Anchoress 01:53, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Large intestine

I ve heard the main function of the large intestine is to remove liquid from the er, mixture! How does this water get extracted and then get passed to the kidneys for excretion?--Light current 01:50, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Water, as always, is absorbed in response to an osmotic gradient. The mechanism responsible for generating this osmotic pressure is essentially identical to what was seen in the small intestine - sodium ions are transported from the lumen across the epithelium by virtue of the epithelial cells having very active sodium pumps on their basolateral membranes and a means of absorbing sodium through their lumenal membranes. The colonic epithelium is actually more efficient at absorbing water than the small intestine and sodium absorption in the colon is enhanced by the hormone aldosterone." [4]. The water enters the bloodstream, which passes through the kidenys. - Nunh-huh 01:55, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Aha so it goes back into the blood stream. Presumably the water level in the blood is controoled by the kidneys. Thanks--Light current 02:00, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Correct, and we didn't even need to ask Colon Powell. StuRat 04:31, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm. Its Colin actually.--Light current 04:35, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
He was being humerus. BenC7 07:00, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If people don't get my jokes, perhaps I need to bone-up on my delivery. StuRat 13:38, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Natural Resources

  • What are five natural resources of Japan?
  • What is the main source in the country of Japan?
  • Do people excise there in Japan?
  • When does education start, age, and type of training goes on there?

Were may I find these tpyes of answers?02:31, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, Lisa 02:31, 16 December 2006 (UTC)~

Hi, Lisa. Try reading the article on Japan, following the links, and then getting back to us if any of your questions remain unanswered? Good luck. Anchoress 02:34, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Some clarifications please:

The article Japan should give you many facts. If not, you may need to think whether the students in Japan do their own homework :-) --WikiCheng | Talk 10:16, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
They do! I've been there!X [Mac Davis] (DESK|How's my driving?) 23:22, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What are opioid relative potencies? to morphine?

I've been wondering this lately. How do the many opioids relate to a standard - such as morphine? What is the statistical data that can tell me this, how is it measured - in-vivo? I stumbled across some non-cited powerpoint presentation over at [5] but other than that, I don't know where that information comes from, and haven't been able to find anything with a simpler chart of the relation, so I figured someone might know more than I at the health reference desk. Thanks. Edit: Mostly oral ingestion, but intravenous would also be interesting. - x1987x(talk) 05:07, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's a fairly standard chart of the sort which can be found in pharmacology texts. Generally they are made from research on rats (in which the rat is given a certain dose of one of the opiates and subjected to painful stimuli). Note that the information is specifically about potency in its technical definition: it relates to the amount of analgesia produced by a certain weight of the drug. This is important when trying to replace one drug with another, but not terribly important otherwise. The common use of the term potency relates to "effectiveness", or the amount of analgesia provided by a safe dose of the medication, and the table doesn't speak to that at all. You don't care how many milligrams you have to take, only that the dose you need to take is safe. - Nunh-huh 23:10, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Are there any more reliable links to said charts available online? Perhaps comparing a larger number of opioids? --x1987x(talk) 00:11, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There are numerous charts, with different opioids, depending on the availability of the substance in the country of origin. The term to search for is "opioid conversion table". Apart from that, pharmacological reviews of individual opioids usually give a strength relative to morphine. I'll get back in the morning (now 02:00 here). But thanks, this does sound like a suitable subject for an article. --Seejyb 23:08, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I couldn't figure out the search term, thanks. Yeah, strengths of the many opioids aren't talked about much. And I had no idea where to look for such tables, let alone build a page from them. Thanks..--x1987x(talk) 02:42, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

INvestigatory project

What is an investigatory project?

I don't think that phrase has any special meaning: it's simply a project designed to investigate something. —Keenan Pepper 05:54, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Could be a preliminary phase like a feasibility study--Light current 00:59, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Copper gluconate in breath fresheners

Why do Listerine PocketPaks contain copper gluconate? —Keenan Pepper 06:19, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Retsyn. --Wooty Woot? contribs 10:32, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
there is copper gluconate in retsyn - yes - but why?87.102.4.180 12:35, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"The hydrogenated vegetable oil and the copper gluconate absorb odors in the mouth". --Wooty Woot? contribs 03:59, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Is copper gluconate an anti-bacterial - I thought that bad breath was due to bacteria?87.102.4.180 12:37, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Good question, I don't know. It looks as if this compound is geared more toward absorbing odor than attacking the root cause. --Wooty Woot? contribs 03:59, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Wow. Learn something new every day. I had always assumed that "Retsyn" was pine tar, as in retsina. --Trovatore 04:05, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

examples on elasticity,plasticity and brittleness

Glass (brittle), rubber (elastic), and wet clay (plastic). StuRat 07:18, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Waste water treatment

informations on use of electrophoresis for wastewater recycling

what are the sizes of particles removed in primary,secondary and tertiary treatment of wastewater? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chirag111 (talkcontribs) 09:09, 16 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

what is the size of particles which can be removed from the wastewater by electrophoresis? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chirag111 (talkcontribs) 09:13, 16 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

then could u please tell me the type size of particles removed during electrophoresis of sewage water?? Chirag111 09:37, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This might help, especially the last paragraph. --Wooty Woot? contribs 09:38, 16 December 2006

thank you but it is not specific. I am in an urgent need for the size of particles removed buring different processes of wastewater treatment. Chirag111 09:43, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Typically the first treatment removes the largest particles, the second smaller particles, and the third would be a very fine filter.87.102.4.180 14:52, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Or for a much better answer look at Sewage treatment which goes into a lot of depth.87.102.4.180 14:54, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bio-gas

what is the calorific value of biogas? how much of water can it heat?

what are the main constituent of biogas?

A note here, the refdesk is not Google. We can't give you "general information" about things, and if you're looking for information on biogas, we have an article on it. If you're going to ask more than one question, put them in one header. (I fixed this) --Wooty Woot? contribs 09:22, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No, Wooty, only related questions should be under the same section. StuRat 13:27, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
True, but 7 sections about the same thing is probably best consolidated as much as possible. --Wooty Woot? contribs 03:57, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that similar questions from the same person should all be put in the same section, but dissimilar question should be posted separately StuRat 22:07, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Applying general rules for articles to questions, comments and responses on the reference desk is inappropriate. Where the content of articles represent a consensus questions, comments and responses on the reference desk for many reasons do not. In fact, fooling around with other people's comments, questions and responses so that they suit your own 13 year old spoiled self is highly inappropriate and you need to stop. 71.100.6.152 20:16, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Take it easy, now, Wooty was just trying to help. StuRat 22:08, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thats kind of hard to do when Wooty chooses a baseball bat to help keep the baby quite. 71.100.6.152 21:23, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Also Wooty needs to learn that the purpose of the reference desk is to help others and to allow them to help each other rather than to indulge in the policies of one's 13 year old spoiled self. 71.100.6.152 18:16, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
To return to the question: Wikipedia's article is not helpful. Cleaned biogas has the same calorific value as natural gas. I do not have figures on boiling water, but I do have: 1 cubic meter of biogas can:
  • Yield enough electricity to light 60 -100 watt bulb for 6 hours
  • Cook 3 meals for a family of 5 - 6
  • Replace 0.7 kg of petrol
  • Run a one horse power motor for 2 hours
  • Generate 1.25 kilowatt hours of electricity
I will see if I have more info on exactly how the above is achieved, since it would be difficult to relate to water boiling. Maybe the last figure is the best to work with. The reference for above is a pdf file from the practicalaction.org site. Their technical information service page is a good place for finding further information. --Seejyb 21:57, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
1.25 kilowatt-hours is 4.5 million joules, since one watt-second is one joule. The specific heat capacity of water is 4.2 joules per gram per degree Celsius, meaning that it would take 4.2 joules to heat a gram of water by one degree. It would take 315 joules to heat a gram of water from 25 degrees to 100 degrees; therefore, 4.5 million joules can heat 14 kg (or 14 litres) of water from 25 degrees to 100 degrees.
Also, 71.100.6.152 and Wooty Woot seem to be in a conflict. Why? What happened? --Bowlhover 20:26, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wellbutrin & Zyban

In the article Bupropion it states: "Bupropion is both a dopamine reuptake inhibitor and a norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor."

Where can I verify this information? (I have added [citation needed] after that line in the article). Please reply. Thnx. --Delma1 10:59, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Check some of the results of THIS GOOGLE SEARCH, one of which is the Mayo Clinic. Or THIS SEARCH OF GOOGLE SCHOLAR. Anchoress 11:06, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thnx for help Anchoress. Question Solved. --Delma1 11:24, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

TV reception

Why does a color TV program fade to monochrome when the reception is poor ? StuRat 13:33, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Presumably you are talking about the old analogue TV system that is still used in some parts of the world like the US. I also assume you are talking NTSC? Look at Television, PAL and NTSC. I would have to look it up, but I believe it may be due to the reduced strength of the color sub carrier that is used for synchronisation of the color decoders. Also, there is only half the power transmitted for the chrominance signay compared to the luminance, so there is a 3 dB difference already present.
When there is no color sync signal, a circuit called a 'color killer' is switched on to avoid blotches of random color being displayed on the screen. This killer also operates in the case of simple monochrome transmissions. 8-) --Light current 14:46, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but I guess my question comes down to why the color signal is weaker than the monochrome in the first place. Was a decision made at some point that people would be willing to view a program without color, so the color signal should be given a lower priority and hence strength ? StuRat 15:21, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey StuRat, it took a bit of reading, but here is the answer from the YUV Article:

Another advantage of YUV is that some of the information can be discarded in order to reduce bandwidth. The human eye has fairly little color sensitivity: the accuracy of the brightness information of the luminance channel has far more impact on the image discerned than that of the other two. Understanding this human shortcoming, standards such as NTSC reduce the amount of data consumed by the chrominance channels considerably, leaving the eye to extrapolate much of the color. NTSC saves only 11% of the original blue and 30% of the red. The green information is usually preserved in the Y channel. Therefore, the resulting U and V signals can be substantially compressed.

You also may want to check out: Luma (video), Chrominance, Chroma subsampling, and YIQ. --Cody.Pope 16:04, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks ! StuRat 16:13, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah its all about bandwidth really and cramming a quart (color + lum) into a pint(lum only) pot. THe eye is much less sensitive to color accuracy than brightness. Also to conseve bw, almost half of the am signal generated is supressed leaving only a 'vestigial' lower sideband. This keeps the channel width to about 6.6 MHz. Over here we used to call the US system Never twice the same color (NTSC) cos of its poor performance compared to PAL! --Light current 17:51, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That's odd, because I've never had any trouble with the colors being wrong, only being absent. StuRat 19:27, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
YEs but as I said above, the eye is not very sensistive to colors 8-). Ever seen a PAL set? THats real color PAL! 8-)--Light current 19:32, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Does this PAL stuff apply to computer monitors as well? I recently purchased a computer monitor named "Reflex" from a thrift store which I could not find any info for until I found a link in Europe and read somewhere that these monitors are not available in the USA. Could the PAL thing be the casue? Adaptron 20:50, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Quote from our page on PAL:

Some engineers jokingly expand NTSC to "Never Twice the Same Color" or "Not the Same Color" while referring to PAL as "Perfect At Last", "Peace At Last", or "Pay for Additional Luxury"!

--Light current 21:00, 17 December 2006 (UTC) [reply]

No. To my knowledge, unless you have a UHF input to your monitor, then Pal is not relevant. PAL refers to phase reversal every line of the color subcarrier when transmitted. Your monitor will be RGB or composite video or some such thing and of course gives you much better picture than the TV- doesnt it?--Light current 20:55, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah. All of the computer monitors I've had have been better than tv sets except when I installed a tv card and it looked like a tv set. The thing is that this "Reflex" montior has superior color to everything except my lcd monitor. Its screen is a bit curved or rounded liek the very old monitors and when it comes back to life from a blank screen saver it takes a l o n g , l o n g time before the picture edges come back yo normal closer toward the center. Adaptron 19:47, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Homologous vs Analogous

If I want to talk about two proteins, one in humans and the equivalent (related by evolution) protein in say, a mouse, are these proteins said to be homologous or analagous? --Username132 (talk) 14:15, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Analagous proteins do the same thing in different organisms, homologous proteins are the same thing in different organisms. Droud 15:01, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Are the same thing as in prisicely the same sequence, or the same thing as in same ancestor? --Username132 (talk) 15:22, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You'll want to check out homology (biology). It's got a description of the different types of homology there. Gene sequences are (almost) never precisely identical from one species to the next; often you'll see discussions that describe the degree of sequence homology as a percentage. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 15:45, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Homologous it is. Thanks both. Username132 (talk) 20:49, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Your description would suggest they are actually orthologous proteins, to be more specific (assuming by equivalent you mean "the most closely related protein in the mouse"). Rockpocket 03:51, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

pill identification chart

Where can I find an online chart which shows photos and identification markings of prescription pills? John Howard —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Larryfassler (talkcontribs) 19:34, 16 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

If you're trying to identify a pill that you've been given, this site lets you search on drug name, pill imprints, colour, and shape. It outputs a table of photographs of all the hits it comes up with. This site], meanwhile, lets you upload a picture of a pill and then you wait (and hope) for someone to identify it for you. (It's sort of like the Reference Desk here.) TenOfAllTrades(talk) 19:47, 16 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

December 17

Blood cells discarded per day

Page does not say how many blood cells die and are discarded per day in the human body. Anyone know?--Light current 00:13, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Because of the different lifespan of red and white cells, it probably depends of their kind. According to Arizona Science Center, ca. 2 million die per second, so 172,800,000,000 die in 24 h. --Brand спойт 01:11, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That seems like a rather large number, unless my math is off. Speaking only of red blood cells (and most of the blood cells are RBCs), their normal life-span is 120 days (this can be lower in intensively training athletes). Each day about 1% of RBCs are replaced. The blood volume in one human is approximately 4.7 liters or 4700 milliliters. There are about 5 million RBCs per milliliter. So that's 23,500,000,000 RBCs/human, and 1% of that is 235,000,000 replaced per day. Calculating another way, if there are 23,500,000,000 and they are replaced in 120 days, each day about 430,833,333 are replaced. So maybe a good estimate would be 300,000,000 RBCs/day. - Nunh-huh 02:19, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Valence orbitals

Why do atoms "want" to have full valence shells? BenC7 02:05, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's the most stable configuration. --Wooty Woot? contribs 03:54, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"Full" valence shell is a misnomer, of course. All atoms "want" is an s2p6 arrangement. A "full" valence shell would be 2n2 electrons, where n is the number of the shell. This s2p6 arrangement seems to have the highest ionisation energy, and lowest electron affinity, of any, and that is why it is a "stable" arrangement. --G N Frykman 08:51, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"Wanting to have full valence shells" is the standard oversimplified explanation of molecular bonding. It more or less works as an explanation for highly polarised ionic bonds. However, in real life, the explanation of molecular bonding is much more complex and not completely understood - see valence bond theory, covalent bond, metallic bond and molecular orbital. Gandalf61 10:54, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's also possible that full valence shells have a spherically symmetrical distribution of 'charge' whereas unfilled shells don't - it's possible to make the link with the stability of full shells through 'hand waving' explanations.87.102.13.235 16:10, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Note that Tin forms +2 and '+4' oxidation states - in the +2 case the valence shell is not full - but the complounds are stable - however the s shell is full. (correction Tin (2) usually attains a full valency shell by coordination with other lone pairs)83.100.250.252 09:18, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
In general this phenomona happens because there is a big gap in energy between the full valence shell and the state with "full valence shell plus one electron" - the difference is so large that it's very rare to find the valence shell 'overfilled' (I can't think of a single example), however having partially filled valence shells does sometimes happen (though the resultant products are reactive).
Explaing why there is stabilty for full shells is very difficult to do.83.100.132.121 18:03, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As others have said, and perhaps I can just re-phrase, the metaphor of atoms as "wanting" agents is a bad approach to this. If you take for granted that full valence shells is the most stable condition, then by definition it is what atoms are going to fall into when they get the opportunity. Why stable states are, by definition, more stable, is a much more difficult and problematic question, because you are really trying to take apart what the definition of "stability" really is in physical terms. If I understand this correctly, which I don't pretend to necessarily do. --24.147.86.187 20:34, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That seems like a good explanation - the first part. As I see it the problematic part is explaning why 'octets' and the like are stable - which is reasking the question again - even the latest theories of the atom don't actually explain why certain states are stable, or why the stabilty occurs at certain values 2,8,18 etc. There are formulas giving the number of electrons in each successive valence shell - but unfortunately no explanation of why those formulas (and not others) apply..83.100.132.121 22:16, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The explanation for a configuration being stable is simply that the atoms want to be in that configuration :-P  --LambiamTalk 00:00, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You just restated the question, didn't answer it..83.100.250.252 09:18, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ha, I remember in grade 9 and 10 science where to explain bonding, when you had ionic forms of atoms, they'd be the happiest with full valence shells, so in order that they don't become unhappy, they bond. 74.102.89.241 00:26, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK, so basically it is that they are more stable with a full valence shell. I knew that already. But why (usually) eight? Why not seven, or six? I am studying to be a science teacher and I want to be able to explain to students the reason why it is more stable to have a total of eight electrons per atom, given that it is more intuitive that an atom would simply want the number of electrons equal to its atomic number. I don't want to say to students "well, it's just more stable that way" when it would, on the surface, appear to be less stable. BenC7 00:59, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In chemical science it's not 8 it's as the row increases 2,8,18,32 - if you want to be a chemistry teacher you'll should do a degree in chemistry - after 3 years the reasons for this (and the many flaws and discrepencies) will become apparent. As the second poster said this turns out to be a 'lie to children' in most part. The 'rules' are found experimentally and attempts made to fit the behaviour to a mathematical pattern. There is no real satisfactory answer to this question. I can only suggest you learn more (and formulate your own ideas) - (personally I've come to the conclusion that the current simplified teaching of chemistry leaves a lot to be desired - as it introduces concepts without giving an adequate explanation - as you have found out). There's a lot of infomation - but to get you started I suggest you look at platonic solids, atomic orbital, Symmetry group, Chemical bond and follow the links as necessary. Check everything you read for yourself - just because it's been printed doesn't mean it's right. Try to develop your own theories of bonding etc and Good Luck!(And remember the interpretation of experimental facts through a flawed theory may produce confusing results..)83.100.250.252 09:31, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
8 is a "magic number" for the following reasons. Electrons in an atom can be divided into shells. Within each shell, the electrons fall into orbitals. The lowest level orbital, called the s orbital, can contain up to 2 electrons; the next orbital, called the p orbital, can contain up to 6 electrons. These limits are due to various reasons to do with the Pauli exclusion principle, electron states and quantum numbers - see atomic orbital#Limitations on the quantum numbers for a quantitative explanation. So an atom with full s and p orbitals in its outer shell has 2+6=8 electrons in this shell. Combine this with the fact that full shells are stable configurations and you get the "wants to have 8 electrons in its outer shell" rule, which is a reasonably good rule of thumb for the simple chemistry of elements until you get to the transition metals where a d orbital enters the picture for the first time, and life gets more complicated. To see how complicated it can get, take a look at this table of oxidation states for transition metals. Gandalf61 15:47, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kill Mosquito Larvae in a Water Tank

How do I kill mosquito larvae in a drinking water tank without poisoning myself?203.202.140.72 02:12, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A tank with decaying larvae? You probably should drain the tank. I've heard that a thin layer of oil on the water surface will suffocate the larvae by plugging their breathing tubes. But then you'd have both the dead larvae and some rancid oil. --Wjbeaty 04:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I seem to remember that somewhere the WHO used styrofoam beads to cover the surface of ponds and prevent mosquitos from breeding without interfering with the fish living there. Dr Zak 05:01, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Why not just skim them? And may I say that (for whatever reason, I'm not squeamish about bugs or much else), this is the grossest topic I've ever seen on the RD? ;-\ Anchoress 05:07, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think the OQ was asking about decaying larvae, but living ones. Apparently mosquito dunks are safe. User:Zoe|(talk) 06:48, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah but after he kills them, they will have to decay. --Username132 (talk) 10:02, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Aaaaaand there's even an article about them here on Wikipedia. Mosquito dunk. Anchoress 10:05, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So the question is how do you eliminate the dead and rotting mosquito carcasses? Adaptron 14:24, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why not filter it? --V. Szabolcs 16:50, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Because only the undesolved products of the rotting larvae carcasses can be filtered effectively. Adaptron 19:09, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Get a local river fish (like, say, a trout) into the tank it will efficiently get rid of all the larvae. Depending on a lot of factors it can either stay there for a rather long time or you will have to release it back into the river. Keria 17:14, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
yes that's a real solution - but suggest a smaller fish - remember the fish will polute the water. Hillstream loach and Chaetostoma (bulldog) plecs have actually been (reported) to have been used for this purpose. I wouldn't suggest trying this though - if the larvae are all eaten the fish will probably starve, die, rot and then pollute the water even worse!83.100.132.121 17:45, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So the question now is how do you get rid of the bacteria and disolved fish feces and urine? Adaptron 19:09, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For the original question: We use
  1. Barrier netting, mounted on a suitable frame, to stop mosquitoes getting to the water, if the reservoir tank does not have a lid.
  2. One of the Juvenile hormones (methoprene, pyriproxyfen) for killing an established infestation. The mosquito dunk idea seems pretty good, but I have never used the stuff (on reading the name I first thought it was a joke about a food or drink of some kind:)), and I wonder what it does to a lab bacteriological test.
From what I read in the Mosquito dunk article and references all of the test on mice - oral, inhalation and introvenus - were "acceptable." Like the viral bacteriocides this stuff is so specific that virtually everything else is safe. Adaptron 19:54, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Filter through basin of clean river sand if water is not clear, though a simple fine sieve regularly is mostly good enough. Clean filter regularly.
  2. Depending on your circumstances, you could chlorinate and filter the water with high tech apparatus, but unless you have serious contamination (lab test for bacteria - people tend to under utilise these facilities) it should not be necessary. --Seejyb 20:51, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

six pack

is there a name for not getting aligned six packs? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.88.164.105 (talk) 06:35, 17 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

No. Maybe you could invent one.--Shantavira 09:41, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Just don't add it to an articel here untill it gets some external coverage. 68.39.174.238 23:13, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe you'll get more help at a bodybuilding or similar forum. From the quick search I did though, everyone was saying that's just the way it is for some people. They also says it better to have non-symmetrical [but defined] abs than a loads of fat.. --Username132 (talk) 10:07, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually there is loads of fat, but if i compress my stomach i can see the non symmetrical six pack

Which kinds of cells undergo cellular respiration?

I can't seem to find exactly what kind of organisms undergo cellular respiration. Which ones do besides plants and animals? Is it just eukaryotes? Thanks. --Proficient 06:40, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Don't they all? I mean, the cellular respiration article defines it as "the metabolic reactions and processes that take place in a cell to obtain chemical energy from fuel molecules". That seems pretty universal to me; I dunno. --Spoon! 07:55, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I can't think of any exceptions, and as far as I know there aren't any - it is the way organisms liberate energy, and if it can't get energy it can't live. It can be either aerobic respiration which uses oxygen, or Anaerobic respiration which doesn't. You may also like to check out Respiration. --jjron 12:43, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It is this "breathing" connotation of respiration which seems to cause confusion, and one has to blame earlier generations of biologists for this. Retrospectively it was not a good choice. Remember that: viruses are not "cells", so they have no cellular respiration mechanisms. Here is a question to consider: Erythrocytes do not contain mitochondria; do the have cellular respiration? --Seejyb 21:07, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Of course red blood cells have cellular respiration - from the article "Mammalian erythrocytes also lose their other organelles including their mitochondria and produce energy by fermentation, via glycolysis of glucose followed by lactic acid production". Prokaryotes like bacteria don't have mitochondria either, and of course they also respire. Re viruses, this is part of the reason for the debate on whether they are actually 'living' organisms. --jjron 07:12, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

SL & XR

Whats the difference between Sustained Release version of Wellbutrin compared to the Extended Release version? --Delma1 10:43, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sustained release tablets are standard pills which dissolve slowly and are generally taken twice a day to maintain therapeutic drug levels. The Extended Release versions consist of an insoluble shell filled with an aqueous solution of the drug. A small hole in the insoluble shell (covered over by a permeable membrane) allows the slow diffusion of the medication out of the pill over an extended period, allowing once a day dosing. (This is a drug delivery mechanism originally designed for Procardia XL). - Nunh-huh 11:01, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Quick release tabs dissolve all at once, being compounded with something like starch. The SR is formulated so that the active ingredient is embedded in a matrix of insoluble substance (various: some acrylics, even chitin, these are often patented) so that the dissolving drug has to find its way out through the holes in the matrix. In some SR formulations the matrix physically swells up to form a gel, so that drug has first to dissolve in matrix, then exit through the outer surface. I believe that the holes in XL tabs are laser drilled. You may find that some SR and XL preparations use different salts of the active drug (I do not know whether this is true of bupropion). This is apparently something to do with the binding and solubility is in the matrix. Since novel delivery systems are patented, and quite profitable, specific manufacturing information is rather difficult to find. Maybe we should try the patent office:) --Seejyb 23:00, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much. It feels good to know. If there were some sources I would create the article based on above information regarding Quick release, Sustained Release & Extended Release--Delma1 04:28, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

water heater corrosion

Does the build up of sediment in the bottom of the water tank as well as the corrosion of the tank come from the reaction of the copper electrode and the iron lining of the tank and pipes or does it come from the temperature change of the water? Adaptron 14:05, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think most of it comes from the water itself. You will get sediment in a plastic tank too. Filtration can only remove so much gunk.--Shantavira 14:51, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A bit of both. Sedimentation just happens when you hold water still in any tank, and there's not much you can do about it other than clean it out from time to time. Galvanic action, on the other hand, requires very specific conditions. A magnesium sacrificial rod is often used to stop this effect. Some corrosion will still occur with the rod, but at a greatly reduced rate. StuRat 14:52, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Galvanic action answers most of my question and that the corrosion comes from the reaction of oxygen in the water with the iron in the tank which the magnesium electrode prevents by reacting with the oxygen first. What I am wondering now is whether an electric current through an inert electrode would substitute for the magnesium or whether possibly some form of hydrogen interface or injection could be used? Adaptron 15:17, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
But what is the overall goal ? I would think a continuous electrical current would cost more than the magnesium rod, and could also pose a safety hazard. Another option is to line the water heater with something inexpensive and corrosion resistant, like glass. That does make them very heavy, unfortunately. StuRat 21:59, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Living where I live is not inexpensive but if you work at it you can reduce living costs. Not only do magnesium rods cost $40 to $60 USD but most of the time you can not get them out of the water heater even using a torch. Since aluminum will also work it is possible to use it instead of magnesium but hey I have aluminum in my diet. The objective then is to find a better way to A.) reduce material costs and B.) to reduce labor costs. If an inert anode would evolve minute but sufficient amounts of hydrogen to keep those little oxygen molecules entertained then hey, let me use a carbon welding rod and a very low current and voltage circuit and goodbye corrosion forever or at least as long as I can afford to pay the electric bill. Adaptron 20:47, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tin Reactions

As part of a lab, pieces of tin metal were emmersed in copper(II) nitrate and hydrochloric acid. Contrary to the activity series of metals, however, reactions did not take place. Are there any explanations for this? I have looked all over the internet. Thanks. -- Sturgeonman 15:31, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What are your thoughts about the hydrochloric acid? --HappyCamper 15:41, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can you be a bit clearer - was the tin put in copper nitrate and then HCl or both at once.87.102.13.235 16:13, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's possible than the tin is coated with layer of tin oxide on the surface preventing reaction with the copper sulphate. I can't explain why it would not react with hydrochloric acid.83.100.132.121 17:55, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
tin should react with both. --75.73.155.34 00:07, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Digital Extension

I have a very difficult question, one which many career anatomist, two physiatrists, and a hand surgeon have not been able to answer, but I thought maybe I'd get lucky here. Put your hand palm side down on a flat surface. Now flex your fourth digit so that it is bent under your palm, and the proximal phalange is flat on the surface. All other fingers should be straight. Now try to extend your third digit. Notice that there is a small range of movement. Now reposition your hand so that the third digit is flexed underneath and attempt to extend the fourth digit. In this case, there is no range of movement whatsoever. Why is it that extension is possible in one situation but not in the other? Consider that it is possible to move the "immobile" digit through extension with another mechanism (like the other hand) without pain, and that this phenomenon occurs with the second and third digit in the positions above too. Tuckerekcut 16:27, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, experiment proves that a small range of movement is possible, but only through quite a considerable amount of pain in the bent finger, as the controlling tendon is placed under extreme strain. (Thanks for putting me through that!) The answer is that while there are indeed four tendons in the back of the hand, one for extending each finger, there are only three muscles (located in the wrist) controlling those tendons, one for the little finger and two shared between the three middle fingers. Find someone with low body fat and watch them flexing the fingers to see the tendons move through the skin on the back of the hand; or get a hand from your anatomy friends, remove the skin, and play with the muscles of the wrist yourself. (On the base of the hand it's much simpler; each segment has its own muscle, although not everyone has the neurological ability to address those muscles separately.) Thus when one finger is at full flexion, the body is unable to restore the adjacent finger to full extension, because when the muscle pulls on the adjacent finger's tendon it is also pulling on the flexed finger's tendon - which cannot be extended. EdC 18:47, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
None of my colleagues were able to extend the fourth digit in the situation described, if you were able to, kudos to you. However I am most interested in knowing why there is such a difference in the difficulty between the third and fourth digits as described. I realize that the extensor digitorum provides extension for digits two through five, with ex. dig. minimi and indicus adding in for 2 and 5, but this does not explain the difference in difficulty, which really is the part that stumps me. Tuckerekcut 20:35, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Incidentally, I meant no sarcasm with my last remark, if it seemed that way. I also wanted to point out that the pain seems (to me) to be in the muscular region of the extensor muscle, rather than the tendinous region, thus weakening your argument slightly. Tuckerekcut 20:38, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Nah, to me it's definitely in the tendon, where it passes through the knuckle. I have a feeling the reason I'm able to do that might be that I broke my middle finger a while back, so it probably doesn't count.
Still, this a purely mechanical problem; the neurological wiring doesn't enter into it. Think of the hand as a series of hinges with springs to force them shut (the flexor muscles).
When the ring finger is fully flexed, the extensor tendon is close to full stretch. When the middle finger is fully flexed, even more so; when the index finger is fully flexed the extensor tendon is almost completely at full stretch. Thus when the ring finger is flexed the tendon can still be retracted a short distance, extending the other fingers. When the middle finger is extended the tendon can be retracted a little, giving less movement in the index finger than when the ring finger is extended, but even when the tendon is fully retracted this is insufficient to overcome the residual tension in the ring finger, so it does not extend.
Oh, and I'm not sure why it is possible to extend the ring finger when it's the index finger that's flexed. I suspect some amount of rotation or lateral movement is going on with the tendon, or it might be due to lateral banding. I'd have to get a hand to play with to be sure. --EdC 02:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fish mate

Someone told me of a deep sea fish specie of which the male is a 10th the size of the female. When finding a partner the male grabs the female and taps into her blood system (?) and insures she has a constant suply of sperm. The female then feeds for him and the male lives off their joint bloodstreams. What is the name of the fish? Are there other examples of such extreme couplings? Thank you. Keria 17:06, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure it's not exactly what you're looking for, but here's one. And please don't let my humorous answer deter anyone from offering serious ones. Anchoress 17:53, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It an anglerfish: [6]. Rmhermen 18:13, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You might be looking for Anglerfish see Anglerfish#Reproduction, no doubt there are other deep sea fishes that do a similar thing.

"When scientists first started capturing ceratioid anglerfish, they noticed that all of the specimens were females"..."When a male of one of these species hatches .... extremely well developed olfactory organs .... They have no digestive system, and thus are unable to feed independently. They must find a female anglerfish, and quickly, or else they will die."..."When he finds a female, he bites into her flank, and releases an enzyme which digests the skin of his mouth and her body, fusing the pair down to the blood vessel level"..."then atrophies into nothing more than a pair of gonads"..."when the female is ready to spawn, she has a mate immediately available"...83.100.132.121 19:02, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much. Keria 00:06, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Some gastropod molluscs from the genus Enteroxenos have just as 'extreme couplings'. --jjron 07:35, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Parasitic Worm

I saw this video [7] on ebaumsworld and it says that a parasitic worm controls a crickets mind and forces it to commit suicide. While I know thats probably not true, can anyone tell me what exactly happened in this video? Imaninjapiratetalk to me 17:54, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This sort of parasite mind control has been a popular recent topic - even as it relates to humans. Can't find any links right now though. Rmhermen 18:08, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's a Nematomorpha, otherwise known as a Gordian Worm. It apparently does make the grasshoppers seek out water and drown themselves, returning the worm to the water. Super creepy. I added a super-legit reference to the article (Nature, 2006) which is where that video is from. --24.147.86.187 20:01, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Another similar example of brain control might be the rabies virus, which attacks the brain, increasing the aggressive tendencies of an animal, making it bite other animals and thus spread rabies to new hosts. StuRat 21:52, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wow that is scary. I didn't think of the connection between that and rabies either. I just didn't think a parasite would actually be able to control an animal like that. Imaninjapiratetalk to me 22:30, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's one of those extreme specialization things, like Emerald cockroach wasp. The downside to such controll is that they really don't know how to do anything else... 68.39.174.238 23:15, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A similar phenomenon is the "brainwashing" of carpenter ants by the Cordyceps unilateralis fungi. The fungal spores get into the ant via its spiracles and starts to grow mycelia filaments inside the ant, being careful to avoid any vital organs. When its ready to sporulate, it projects mycelia to the ants brain. It then forces the ant to climb to the top of a plant and attach itself firmly to a leaf by biting with its mandibles. Now that its in a suitable position, the fungus will eat the ant's brain, sprout outwards through its head and explode, showering the area with spores that will try to invade other ants. As told in the BBC's Planet Earth, When other ants detect that one of their own has been infected, the carry the unfortunate ant as far away from their nest to die, in the hope that when the fungus sporulates, it will limit the chances of infecting the entire colony. There are lots of different types of fungus that do this, with different species being specific for diffferent types of arthropod. You can see more info, including footage here. Rockpocket 23:20, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think the parasitic barnacle sacculina driectly attacks the crab's brain, but it does attack its gonads to sterilise it, and then uses the crab's mating behaviour for its own procreation. --ColinFine 23:41, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
For more examples of parasitic "mind control", see Dicrocoelium dendriticum and Toxoplasma gondii.  --LambiamTalk 23:48, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, it's the "mind control" idea that intrigues the press, but it's a little bit silly and anthropomorphic. These are parasites that cause a change in behavior in their hosts, but there's no "mind control" in play. - Nunh-huh 01:25, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Are you drawing a distinction between "mind control" and "brain control" ? StuRat 01:30, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No, I wasn't. I suppose there is one, but that wasn't what I was trying to point out, which is that "control" implies the existence of a will on the part of the controlling agent, which is certainly lacking in these instances. - Nunh-huh 02:00, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Can't one be controlled by inanimate things, such as money ? StuRat 03:38, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Some people like to think so, but I would characterize people pursuing money as doing so under their own control. I don't think the alcohol made you do it, or really anything but yourself. - Nunh-huh 08:18, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'd call effecting a very calculated and deliberate change in behavior "mind control" under most people's common definitions. I'm not sure what other definition of "mind control" one would want to use. --24.147.86.187 01:48, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If it were "calculated" or "deliberate", you'd have a point. But it's not, as there is no intelligent agency doing any calculating or deliberating. That's precisely the point. - Nunh-huh 01:58, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There doesn't have to be an intelligent agency, that's the beauty of natural selection—you can render "nature" itself as a theoretical selecting agency. In any case, I don't think you've yet given a good reason for not considering it "mind control". Anything which can directly alter an organisms mental behavior in such a dramatic way sounds like "mind control" to me. --24.147.86.187 03:25, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I understand the mechanism of evolution quite well. And to me, control implies a controlling agency (and in the instances cited, the parasite ain't it.) Your mileage may differ. - Nunh-huh 08:18, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sensitiveish Microphone Advice

I want a microphone that will pick up my voice from a few meters away so I can have Skype conversations when I leave my headphones somewhere or just don't feel like wearing them. My old headphone needs to be right near my face in order to pick up my voice clearly and is therefore not sensitive enough. Can someone advise me on how to choose a suitable (cheapest microphone effective at three meters for Skype) microphone on ebay? Micrphone type? Sensitivity level likely needed? --Username132 (talk) 19:29, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can you clarify Skype OK found it.?--Light current 19:30, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Have you looked up microphone? You need to decide if you want unidirectional or omnidirectional response. I suspect you want omni to pickup your voice wherever you are in the room. It looks like you need an omni with a large diaphragm [8]. Have you considered using a LS in reverse? 8-)--Light current 19:39, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that will work, even with a great microphone. To hear the other party you'll have to run Skype's output through the PC's speakers - and the microphone will hear that too. It's very hard to position things so you don't just get runaway feedback, and even then it'll sound garbage. If you must do this, you need to get a proper speakerphone attachment. Speakerphones implement advanced DSP algorithms to suppress feedback and echo. Googling for "skype speakerphone" shows a number of manufacturers make compatible units. I've not used their Skype unit, but Polycom's other conference phones are very good (not not at all cheap). -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 19:51, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes Finlay is correct in that on a 2 wire line (full duplex) system you do need some sort of hybrid transformer system to prevent positive feedback. These are naturally buit in to (speaker) phones. I'm not sure if the Skype has such a hybrid system built in. One way to test would be to bring the headset mic close to the ear phones and listen for howling. If no howling then youre ok and the separate mic idea should work/.8-)--Light current 20:13, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I really meant sonic echo, not electrical feedback (although if both parties had such homebrewed speaker & mic systems, you'd get insane sonic feedback too). That's sound (the remote party talking) coming out of the speakers, it bounces off walls and stuff, and flies back into that nice sensitive omnidirectional microphone. And because your room probably has four or more hard walls (plus the ceiling, plus large pieces of furniture) then the mic receives not one echo but one for each such surface, each at a different delay from the original sound. That's why fancy speakerphones play a little tune when you turn them on - they're measuring the echoes of those different surfaces, and their frequency-absorption characteristics. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 20:26, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ohhh, you clever people. Skype doesn't stop this feedback but I've made a 'feature request' on their forum. --Username132 (talk) 20:35, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You mean you actually tried the mic next to the earphoes and it howled? What frequency? 8-)--Light current 20:41, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
When my friend called me on her laptop (speaker and microphone), I could hear my own voice with a delay (I hated it). --Username132 (talk) 21:06, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
OK you got sonic echo!--Light current 21:44, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Bluetooth works, but I find the extra weight uncomfortable. --Seejyb 22:37, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Evil Beth

[According to Beth], I should bake my cake mixture for one hour at 180 C. After baking for just 20 minutes, the thing began to burn and make smoke. Is Beth really evil, or is there another, less sinister explanation? --Username132 (talk) 21:12, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, that is a pretty standard recipe and temperature for banana bread. Rmhermen 21:21, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I wonder if the oven (I set to 350) is in Faranheit or Celcius... it's an oven in the Netherlands, but wouldn't an oven that goes to 350 Celcius be quite special and expensive? Maybe I should set the temperature lower and or have heat come from only the bottom of the oven (instead of also the top). --Username132 (talk) 21:37, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Heat come from the top? Sounds like you've turned on the grill! My friend has an oven where it is possible to do this too. If you are baking you only want the heat from the bottom. Also, 180 degrees C is medium low, so depends what the scale of your oven is, what's the minimum and max you can set it to? My oven is in C and it goes from about 100 to 300 I think, so 350 might not be outrageous if it's near the top of the scale. Vespine 22:10, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect there's a problem with the temp sensor in your oven and it's not kicking off when it reaches the proper temp. Do you have a meat thermometer ? If so, stick it in the oven and see what it says the temp is. StuRat 22:16, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There could also be a problem with the temp selection dial. Does it seem to turn properly or does it turn with difficulty or show some other problem ? StuRat 22:33, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with StuRat, get an oven thermometer so that you know in future exactly what that oven is doing - if you are baking cakes it sounds as if you are settling in for a longish stay. A baking neighbor may have one to lend. To what maximum is the oven marked? If it is in the region of 500 or more, then it is almost certainly in °F, but then I would expect an oven in the Netherlands to use the Celsius scale. Generally: If the pan is placed directly over the heating element one can burn the bottom of the cake, it may need to be shielded by a separate baking tray. The upper element/grill would not normally be used during baking (sometimes for preheating) --Seejyb 22:39, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Max setting is 360. --Username132 (talk) 23:03, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That iffy, it's either a Fahrenheit-scale oven that doesn't go very high or a Celsius scale oven that gets very hot, indeed, perhaps a self-cleaning oven ? StuRat 23:57, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'd bet on Celsius then. Even the mildest of cooking ovens should reach 430°F/220°C --Seejyb 05:20, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I vote Celsius, my oven goes to 300, I don't think 380 is ridiculous. 180 celsius on my oven is if I turn the dial a little over half way. But also, read my post above! Heat should NOT be coming from the top! I BET you have a grill coil at the top of your oven that can be turned on, my friend has exactly the same thing and we burned our garlic bread by accidentally turning the grill coil on as well as the oven. Vespine 01:03, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Since you said: "I wonder if the oven (I set to 350) is in Faranheit or Celcius..." I assuming you set it to 350. Since you're in the Netherlands it's almost certain you have a oven with Celcius scale, if you set it to 350 instead of 180, it's simply too hot. - Mgm|(talk) 11:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is the (north) polar ice cap floating ?

Or is it attached to the ocean floor ? Does this vary from summer to winter ? If it is attached, is there a risk of it breaking free soon due to global warming ? StuRat 22:30, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The ice over the pole is floating, the ice cap over greenland is on the land. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 22:33, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, what keeps the floating ice from drifting in the currents until it crashes into land ? StuRat 22:36, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it floats (there is no land under most of it - the nearest bits of solid land to the North Pole are Ellesmere Island and Greenland). There is nothing "stopping" the ice from floating away (bit of ice, also known as icebergs, break off the polar ice cap all the time! The Titanic hit one, for instance...), but this doesn't affect the cap as a whole, because it only "exists" where the temperature is cold enough. As a thought experiment to understand this: Take the ice cap as it is at present, and move it a bit in one direction. Some of it will now be in a warmer region of the world (nearer the Equator), that bit will melt, while a bit of ocean in a colder part of the world will now become exposed, that bit will freeze. End result: The ice cap stays where it is.
Of course, the ice cap shrinks and expands considerably between summer and winter!
Something to remember about the northern polar cap: melting bits of it (because of global warming) will not change sea levels, because when you melt ice that's floating in water, the overall level of water doesn't change. Melting ice sheets which sit on top of land (eg Antarctica), that's where the problem is, for any melting there equates to a sea level rise.
Well, actually, Melting of Floating Ice Will Raise Sea Level (Discussion at PhysOrgForum). (When ice melts – to freshwater – it takes up a greater volume than the volume of salt water it displaced as ice, so the overall sea level rises.) Not by that much, but by enough to make a difference. --EdC 03:08, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Finally, the northern ice cap has been shrinking in recent years due to rising temperatures - if it continues, the Northwest passage may actually open up part of the year! — QuantumEleven 22:41, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
have a look at the arctic in September and February. -- ExpImptalkcon 22:45, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That pic seems to show that the ice touches land (Greenland and Ellesmere Island), even in summer, but just barely. Perhaps in just a few years that land bridge will be gone and it will be free to drift ? StuRat 00:06, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This image
suggests that pretty soon, around Greenland and Ellesmere island will be about the only place the ice remains. Makes sense; in the open ocean the water gets heated up by sun and currents, but around the land the ice gets protected and replenished by calving glaciers. --EdC 03:08, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
On a tangent that is related to the North Pole, ice, and water:
I have a 1970's National Geographic Atlas here that suggests that Greenland is really more of an atoll than a solid island: on the western coast, there is a huge inlet, and a space in the middle filled with water. Because the whole lot is covered in ice, though, most of us mistakenly think of it as being one big block of solid land. Vranak 16:47, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
See Geography of Greenland#Climate change but note that the depressed land will slowly rise again after the ice melts as is still occuring in North America from the last ice age. Rmhermen 22:55, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Neurologist/Neurosurgeon

I read both articles, but what are the actual practioners doing? Are neurologist and neurosurgeon synonymous ? does a neurologist only give medication ? Thanks in advance.-- ExpImptalkcon 22:37, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, they are not synonymous. A neurosurgeon is a surgeon. A neurologist was considered a sub-specialist of internal medicine and does not perform surgeries. A neurosurgeon typically operates on the brain (eg. removing brain tumors) and some do spine operations and operates on nerves (eg. for carpal tunnel syndrome). Neurologists treat diseases like strokes, epilepsy, and Parkinson's disease, etc. - Cybergoth 22:53, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks very much. But how do Neurologist treat them, if they don't operate? drugs?-- ExpImptalkcon 22:55, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, drugs is one option. Diet modification is another. In the case of stroke victims, they may need to relearn certain things and in the case of epilepsy victims, they may need to learn to avoid certain things which trigger seizures (blinking red lights, for example). StuRat 00:09, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, medication usually. Neurologists might also prescribe physiotherapy, speech therapy, and occupational therapy for stroke patients for example. - Cybergoth 03:54, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
They might prescribe it, but they dont actually do therapy themselves.
Ive seen 3 neurologists. The first 2 asked a lot of questions and hit my joints with rubber hammers, and scratched me with sticks. The third one spent a lot of time sticking big needles into my arms and legs and giving me electric shocks and looking for responses on a monitor. I do not recommend this procedure 8-)--Light current 13:45, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

December 18

trismus &faciculations of upperlimb during menstrual cycle

married women aged 29yrs with h/o subserosal fibroid (4.5*2.3cms ) (primary infertility )h/o trismus& fasiculation during menstrual cycleon &off episodes -2yrs .Are these symptoms related to menstrual cycle 0r there might be systemic cuase —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.54.91.201 (talk) 03:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Not enough info, and probably too individual a case to give a general answer. Obviously, see a doctor for a better answer. alteripse 04:02, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sexual abstinence

What are the biological effects of prolonged male sexual abstinence?141.161.34.125 05:43, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You'll probably find the information you're looking for at Go Ask Alice!, which can be found here. --HappyCamper 13:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I believe that a British study last year concluded that there are no negative effects in your average male -- for about five days. After that... you do the math. :) Vranak 16:42, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
See also Blue balls.  --LambiamTalk 16:57, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If I not mistaken, 'blue balls' traditionally refers to the condition where a male has been excited by his partner, but not to the point of *******. Not simple abstinence. Vranak 17:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe the user is looking for specific information, along the lines of this: Effect of abstinence on sperm acrosin, hypoosmotic swelling, and other semen variables. Perhaps there are effects on blood serum of various hormones as well? Effects of that? Any specific, scientific information? This is a science reference desk, correct?141.161.98.108 21:43, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See also this: Prostate Specific Antigen Levels: Effect of Sexual Activity. "Determine whether six lifestyle factors (dietary fat, smoking, sleep, alcohol consumption, physical, and sexual activities) associated with non-prostate cancer-related, elevated prostate specific antigen (PSA) levels" "Men who were more sexually active at time T1 were at higher risk of a falsely elevated PSA level >4.0 ng/ml at time T2."141.161.98.108 21:50, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Human Adaptations

I had a weird train of thought, and then thought of this -- I tired looking for answers but I couldn't find anything:

When the species Homo Sapien evolves, what new key characteristics will it possess (micro or macro evolutionary changes)? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.15.52.92 (talk) 06:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

I saw an article on this in the newspaper a few weeks ago, I think it was adapted from a reputable source like Nature. But the reality is any prediction for how something may evolve in the future is simply guesswork, whether it be humans or anything else. Organisms will adapt to their environment but we can't predict what the environment will be like, or what adaptations may be favoured, especially as other organisms are also evolving. The best guesses tend to continue on the main trends in human evolution over the last few million years - e.g., further increased brain size, continued hair loss, etc. But as I said above, no one can really say. That's one of the interesting things about historical processes like evolution - they're perfectly explicable after they happen assuming you have enough details, but can't be predicted beforehand. Of course, there's also the possibility that we will be able to use our technology to control our own evolution, such as through genetic engineering, nanotechnology implants, etc. Try a Google search on something like predictions human evolution, you'll find stuff like this--jjron 07:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Arent we,like all other animals, evolving slowly all the time?--Light current 13:36, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Resistance to disease would be one major adaptation. For example, those who live in Africa and are resistant to AIDS, either based on their behavioral drives or immune system, have a substantial evolutionary advantage over those who aren't. In the developed world the evolutionary pressure is less, because fewer people die, and are thus unable to pass on their genes, due to AIDS. StuRat 13:59, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The evolutionary pressure is certainly not "less" in the developed world, just different. There would be no pressure only if every person had exactly the same chance of reproduction. Please can we stamp this notion out? alteripse 20:17, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My post was on resistance to disease. Since disease has less of an effect on reproductive success in the developed world, there is less evolutionary pressure to increase resistance to disease there. However, there is likely more evolutionary pressure in other areas of human biology, yes. StuRat 02:29, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Which means simply that the factors favoring or impeding reproduction in the developed world are different than those in the underdeveloped world, not that they are less-- that is the misconception suggested by your assertion and re-asserted explicitly by the uneducated author of the next comment. alteripse 15:27, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Saying the factors are different is essentially the same thing as saying that some factors (like disease resistance) are more important in certain regions (like Africa) than they are in other regions (and, symmetrically, other factors are more important in the reverse regions). We aren't disagreeing here, just using different terminology for the same thing. StuRat 15:46, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
(Edit conflict) Nonsense. In the first world, modern medicine and civilisation has dramatically increased the chance of a human being surviving from conception to reproductive age. It hasn't removed selection pressure entirely (that's basically impossible) but it has decreased the evolutionary drive by a huge amount. Maelin (Talk | Contribs) 02:34, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You are simply and utterly wrong on this. Modern humans have not transcended reproductive selection, just altered the major factors. Your message suggests you lack a basic understanding of natural selection. Educate yourself. alteripse 15:27, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There are several factors that determine if a person or other animal passes on it's genes. Surviving to reproductive age is one, yes, but there is also the number of offspring produced and the portion of them which survive to reproductive age. While the first and third factors are now less significant in the developed world, due to the high percentage of survivors, this makes the second factor, number of children produced, an even more important measure of reproductive success. StuRat 15:53, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A drop of water in space

I wonder what would happen to a drop of room temperature water when suddenly released into space (or into a vacuum chamber with a temperature of nearly absolute zero). Would it just freeze to a small block of ice, or it wouldn't have time to freeze and it would boil (or possibly explode) first because of the extremely low pressure? Is it the same thing that happens to water when released from the captivity of pressure and the plasma in a particle accelerator when it is no longer contained by the electromagnetic field? --V. Szabolcs 09:03, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It would slowly evaporate. A vacuum has no temperature; only matter can have a temperature. In space there is nothing to conduct heat away from the water.--Shantavira 09:26, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It might freeze (cold) and then sublime (low pressure) - I doubt it would explode - a large piece wood be so cooled by any evaporation that the process would stop until it is warmed by some external source, this is the case with comets which are mostly ice..83.100.250.252 09:38, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As for the plasma/ice comparison - it's similar - but I don't know enough to say more.83.100.250.252 09:38, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Let me first talk about something I know. If you put water in a vacuum system, at room temperature, and pump the air away, parts of it will boil while other parts freeze. (If the water contains much dissolved air, the boiling will be violent.) Presumably it is evaporative cooling that causes some parts of the water to get cold enough to freeze. After a short time while, you have only ice left, and then, if you wait for many hours, the ice will sublimate away. Now for your actual question. If the water drop was in zero gravity and not in a container, the boiling would probably break it into pieces. (If the water had a lot of dissolved air, this would be many tiny pieces.) After a short time you would have a few ice shards. Eventually these would sublimate away. Cardamon 09:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Shanti is correct in that there is nothing to conduct heat one way or another. However the mechanism at work must be that of radiation. Every body above absolute zero will radiate electromagnetic energy (heat) into space. The maount radiated will depend onthe emissivity and temperatureof the body according to [9] I think. Also every body that is not completely refelective or transmissive at all wavelengths must, by definition, absorb energy. Now we have the dileema: does it freeze or does it boil?
The temperaure of such an object can be calculated by using an energy balance equation such that the radiated enegry is equal to the absorbed energy. In this case the temperature must be stable. In the case of a blob of water, it is highly unlikely to recieve more radiation than it emits (unless near a star) and therfore would probably end uo as ice (like some comets).However, to be sure one would have to do the energy balance calculations 8-)--Light current 12:58, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
OTOH See [[10]] and an interesting question is: what would happen if you threw a small lump of ice into space? Would it sublimate?--Light current 13:23, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
During the Mercury program, and the Gemini program when the astronaut dumped urine from a container out into space, or when water vapor was vented, it froze into little crystals of ice, which reflected sunlight in a sparkling pattern. They referred to it as the "Constellation Urion." [11] Granted, ammonia isn't water, but an ammonia leak on the International space station left an astronaut covered with an inch thick layer or ammonia crystals. He was instructed to brush off what he could, then just stay outside an extra orbit, sightseeing, while more of the crystals sublimated. So I would go with the answer that is would quickly freeze into crystals, then sublimate in a matter of hours. Edison 15:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
OK well we cant deny the facts, but what would you say actually cuases the sublimation. Is it just the low (zero) pressure?--Light current 16:01, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes the low pressure (and the vast emptiness of space) - if a water molecule evaporates it's very unlikely to find it's way back - space after all is pretty much the opposite of a closed system.83.100.250.252 17:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm the phase diagram [[12]] for water shows that at low pressure and temp, water could be either solid or gaesous. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Light current (talkcontribs) 16:17, 18 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Formation of a comet

The above question reminded me of another question: How do comets form (or reform) ? That is, they have been described as "dirty snowballs", so the ice should sublimate at a low rate all the time, and at a high rate as they near the Sun (shown by the trail). So, how do they replace this lost mass ? Is it just by ramming water molecules found in space ? They don't appear to be large enough to have a very substantial gravitational field which would be sufficient to pull in water molecules at the speeds they move through space. And, if they don't replace this mass, I would expect comets to have lost all their mass by now, if they are as old as the solar system. StuRat 13:54, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why should the ice sumblimate without heat? I dont believe its does. I believe that comets do get some of their ice sublimated as they approach the sun. THis results in the famous comet tails which always point away from the sun due to the solar radiation/particles etc. Since most of the time the comets are a long way from the sun, their icy shells do not sublimate most of the time. Also the amount of ice necessary to give those tails is probably minimal. So Halleys comet should have its tail for a few more million years hopefully. 8-)--Light current 14:00, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comets are short-lived (cosmologically speaking). They lose 0.1-1 percent (some sources say even more) of their mass each time they enter the central solar system. They may gain some insignificant amounts of mass back when they are far away from the Sun (at perihelion any collisions with external particles are more likely to reduce mass than increase it.) Eventually what's left is an asteroid, or simply nothing if the comet had no rocky nucleus to begin with. Better hurry if you want to see Halley's Comet; some estimate it is going to lose its volatiles in just another 5600 years. The good news is that the Oort cloud has a good supply of fresh comets; as old comets evaporate, new ones are hurtled towards the inner solar system when they randomly destabilize each others' orbits. Weregerbil 14:19, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
They do not replace their mass if they are in a orbit close to the sun. They slowly desintegrate and after some cycles (depending on course mass and composition) they break apart and are absorbed by the planets of the solar system as meteors, you see in the night, or like the ones which hit Jupiter. I never heard of a comet with a rock as nucleus so thea desintegrate to near nothing. The question how comets form is unsolved. The ice and carbondioxide and the organic materials need low temperatures to form solide bodies, this indicates low temperatures. The minerals detected by stardust and deep impact indicate temperatures above 1000°C at their formation. This gives a slight difference and a monstrous headache for some comet scientists. Rosetta (spacecraft) will give all answers you want in 2014!--Stone 14:49, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There is speculation that at least some comets have enough mass to end up as asteroids: [13]]. But much of this is indeed conjecture. Btw, the 5600 year remaining lifetime for Halley's comet I quoted above is something I found on one web site; can't say how they came up with that figure. Another site says it loses 0.1% each pass, giving it of the order of ten times that long. Who knows. Weregerbil 15:12, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah thanks Weregerbil. Thats why i 'vaugified' my previous answer.--Light current 15:15, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Decaffinated coffee beans

Can someone explain how coffee beans are made 'decaffinated'?

At what point, and how is the caffine removed from the beans?

thanks

81.129.212.135 12:07, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia. You can easily look up this topic yourself. Please see Decaffeination. For future questions, try using the search box at the top left of the screen. It's much quicker, and you will probably find a clearer answer. If you still don't understand, add a further question below by clicking the "edit" button to the right of your question title. --Shantavira 12:58, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Then what do we do with the unwanted caffeine? To make billion tons of Red Bull? -- Toytoy 13:50, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Put still this is not enough. They make artefical one, because the demand is high for coke and pepsi!--Stone 14:52, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Very good question!

The word 'decaffinated' is a massive fraud.

Beans are not decaffinated: they are caffeine-free by default. Only by roasting beans do you develop caffeine. Vranak 16:39, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's contradicted by Caffeine, Decaffeination, Coffee processing, and Coffee. DMacks 17:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I can't find anything that supports it either. Vranak, what chemical do you think is present in raw coffee beans that is turned into caffeine by roasting? —Keenan Pepper 17:24, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It is easy to extract caffeine from green coffee beans! Water is good enough! So there is caffeine already in green beans!--Stone 17:34, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I believe I read this off a placard in Starbucks. However, if this is contradicted across numerous articles in Wikipedia, what I said earlier should be regarded as suspect and wrong until I can check back. Cheers Vranak 17:37, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Caffeine, like many other plant alkaloids, is the weapon created by plants against insects and other plant eaters. Humans have big livers, therefore, we can break down many plant alkaloids. We even enjoying taking some of them. Anyway, caffeine exists in live plants. Roasting only makes coffee beans taste better. End of story. -- Toytoy 22:30, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Drying out silica gel

Can I revive a sachet of silica gel beads (dehydrate them again) in the microwave? --Username132 (talk) 16:03, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Of course once the gel is dry, the water will be gone and it wont heat so efficiently, will it? What happens if it overheats? --Username132 (talk) 16:24, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If it gets very hot - it could sinter (possibly) or fuse (ie melt together - unlikely) - this would reduce the ability of the gel to absorb the water next time.83.100.250.252 17:42, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Walking

what is the right amount of walking i should do weekly? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.167.47.141 (talk) 16:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

It will depend upon:
  • Your current physical condition
  • Your end goal (for example, weight control, desire to become a long-distance race walker, etc.)
Perhaps you want to tell us more? And, of course, only your doctor can tell you whether a given amount of walking will be good for you, personally.
Atlant 16:30, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Couldn't agree more -- it's totally dependant on how you feel. Weather plays a huge factor here. I find that even if I'm full of energy and the temperature outside is nice, if there's a lot of glare through the clouds, I don't like being outside much.

That said, I walk many kilometers each day (usually), and I consider it to be the second most vital factor in my continuing well being. The first of course is a healthy diet.Vranak 16:37, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well assuming you are in good health (the recommendation is to always check with your doctor before embarking upon a fitness routine), IIRC the documentary Supersize Me said 4-5 kilometres a day of walking (including just getting from A to B) was the threshold between healthy and not so much. I don't know if that info is any use to you. Anchoress 16:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Walking alone isn't enough to keep you fit and healthy. You need to do some sort of exercise that will get your heart rate up 3 times a week to lower your risk of heart disease and otherwise stay healthy. Walking is probably better than nothing though, especially if you live in a hilly area. You need to check with your doctor if you plan NOT to do exercise ever in your life. —Pengo talk · contribs 20:54, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pengo, that information isn't consistent with my recent reading; do you have refs for your assertion? I know that used to be the belief, but I've seen a lot of recent data that suggests close to VO2 max exercise isn't necessary for heart health. Anchoress 21:01, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Walking 'not enough to get fit' (bbc news). My claims likely misrepresenting this study, but it doesn't look like it's out of date as yet. It compares a 10,000-step exercise programme (as mentioned by Chairboy+Rmhermen below) with a more traditional fitness regime of moderate intensity. —Pengo talk · contribs 01:40, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, but the walking participants in that study were working 'at their own pace', and (contrary to the description), the article doesn't say that walking cannot provide the health benefits of a moderate exercise program, but specifically the 10,000 steps program of light exercise apparently does not. It's possible for a lot of people to walk quickly enough to, as the article describes, be winded but able to speak a couple of sentences at the end of the workout. Anchoress 07:20, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Mmm, I would say that broadly speaking, walking 10-30 kilometers per week will be quite enough to keep you in shape. That said, I do favor more vigorous exercise, say, once a week. I find jogging to be terrible for your joints over the long term. Sports like hockey and soccer that demand lots of moving, turning, flexibility, and overall robustness will really get you in good shape, as long as you don't over-do it. Vranak 21:59, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A common figure used to describe a healthy amount of walking is 10,000 steps a day. The distance this would cover would be dependent on your stride, of course. - CHAIRBOY () 21:33, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Link to 10,000 Steps Program Rmhermen 22:39, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

books

How do I go about obtaining printed books from Wikipedia

I don't think that Wikipedia sells books.--Azer Red Si? 16:36, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If you read German, there's de:Wikipedia:Publikationen, but I don't know of similar projects for any other languages yet. —Keenan Pepper 17:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Video games a cure for ADD?

I heard somewhere a while ago that video games actually help to relieve the symptoms of ADD/ADHD by stimulating the areas of the brain that are underdeveloped because of ADD, and that people with ADD have a higher tendency to become addicted to them because their brains unknowingly crave that stimulation that they provide. Is this credible or no?--Azer Red Si? 16:36, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Without having any field-specific knowlege, I'd say it is quite doubtfull. General sonsensus is that videogames may increase the occurance of ADD/ADHD becuase they reward a short attention span. If you can find the source that you heard this from, it may be easier to evaluate credibility. 216.254.24.10 19:10, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
But maybe the argument will work on your parents... alteripse 01:40, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Quantum Mechanics

Hello,

I recently started studying Quantum Mechanics and find the mathematical beauty of this theory quite exceptional. But I haven't really had the opportunity of working with real example, and am still baffled by many animations I find on the net (e.g. http://www.kfunigraz.ac.at/imawww/vqm/pages/samples/104_18a.html or http://www.kfunigraz.ac.at/imawww/vqm/pages/samples/107_12c.html). I would have liked a little link or explanation on how it would be possible to obtain these results (for example, being able to find the curve in the second example as a function of time and position to be able to reproduce a similar graph). And generally, what is the method to obtain such visualizations (e.g. http://winter.group.shef.ac.uk/orbitron/, which obviously depends on isosurfaces, but how would one obtain the equations corresponding to the wave functions ?) ?

In general, I would like to know how one obtains such visualisations (are numerical methods important ? etc...).

Thanks --Xedi 17:22, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the topic is very beautiful...it's sort of tricky to answer your question, so let's see if this is good enough to keep you interested. There are a small number of quantum mechanical systems which can be solved exactly, so for those, generally, the plots are based on analytic solutions. The hydrogen-like atom is an example. For more complicated systems, you'll need to resort to more advanced methods such as density functional theory. Numerical methods are at the heart of advanced approaches (and also where all the neat research is taking place today), so in a sense, it's good to know. However, to understand the general concepts, typically, small systems which can be solved with pencil and paper give plenty insight into quantum mechanics. --HappyCamper 20:05, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the hydrogen-like atom link, it's very helpful ! But then, what about the rest ? I mean, for the tunnel effect, for example, where does that visualisation comes from (I mean, mathematically) ? --Xedi 20:18, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There's some stuff at Quantum tunnelling...but isn't so clearly written. Finite potential barrier (QM) has better information. Essentially, what you do is solve the Schrodinger equation for a system with a step potential, and the one of the solutions that comes out of the calculations is this "tunneling". It depends on the energy of the step and the incident particle. There's a nice drawing at the bottom of the article too. --HappyCamper 21:45, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Weight Fluctuations

I watch my weight on a daily basis, and note that it fluctuates by as much 2Kg on successive days, eg. 94Kg, 92Kg, 93Kg, 94Kg. Measurements taken at the same time each day on a fully functional scale, with a pretty much regular exercise, eating , drinking, toilet habit. The question then is how can one account for these wide weight fluctuations over such a short period ? Does atmospheric pressure perhaps vary sufficiently from one day to the next to create the effect of "more atmosphere pressing down on my shoulders ?" --Dr snoobab 17:52, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Water retention. Anchoress 18:00, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have had similarly-anomalous weight fluctuations, that I cannot account for merely by thinking about water retention or defecatory diminishment. I am inclined to say that atmospheric conditions can indeed affect weight measurements, in the order of a kilogram or two.
However, I will not say this. I will instead ask: on what surface are your placing your weigh scale? Carpet will not do! Vranak 19:18, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
How on earth can atmospheric conditions affect body mass? Actually, fluid retention is a much more likely explanation. If Mick Jagger, who's 145lbs of solid bone and muscle, can lose 5 pounds during a concert, you or I can gain or lose a pound or two of water weight in a day, due to excess carbohydrate consumption, excess salt consumption, or the reverse. Anchoress 20:49, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
How about temperature effects? I'm sure the reading on the scale depends on ambient temperature, although it might take very large temperature swings to make that much of a difference. -anonymous6494 20:57, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, atmospheric conditions will affect your skin, flesh, and pores, of course. Mick may lose a few pounds of fluid during a concert via evaporation and perspiration. So I guess we're saying the same thing: fluid retention or fluid loss will account for the difference. I'm merely adding that atmospheric conditions will affect how much fluid you retain, or lose. Vranak 21:55, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Type and quantity of food you eat, water retention (or excretion), bowel movements, swaeting, loss of moisture overnight all have a part to play.--Light current 23:59, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What type of scale is it ? A balance scale ? StuRat 02:15, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Normal Bathroom Scale in good condition on a solid flat tiled floor. Thanks for the answers so far !--Dr snoobab 03:54, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
When you say 'normal' scale, I assume you mean the ones with a dial and needle setup rather than say the digital ones. These are a bit notorious for minor fluctuations in measurements, especially the cheaper ones. When using these you must also be wary of parallax errors. These are very easy to make and are independent of the device (i.e., they're an error of the user). Can I suggest you do a little experiment. Weigh yourself say ten times over a ten minute period where the other factors suggested above will have no effect, and see if you get identical results. Try a similar experiment over a longer period, say five times over an hour (without eating, drinking, going to the toilet, or moving the scales) but go away and do something else between measurements and again compare results. See if you get any variations, and if so, whether the variations show a trend. --jjron 14:38, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How does panting reduce heat?

I've been wondering this from some time. According to your article, "Animals with a body covered by fur have limited ability to sweat, and rely heavily on panting to increase evaporation of water across the moist surface of the tongue and mouth". Apparently it has something to do with evaporation of water, which I'm guessing is a release of heat. But this makes no sense; how does increased evaporation in the mouth help cool off the entire body? Much help appreciated ! Xhin 20:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just like any other cooling mechanism (sweating, elephant ears, etc). The cooled blood flows through the body, distributing the cooling properties. Anchoress 20:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Also, evaporation and radiation have an effect. Evaporation has a cooling effect from any membrane that's wet, and radiation comes into play: By breathing, you're effectively increasing the available surface area for heat to be transfered to. Before breathing/panting, you only have your skin. When you breathe, you pull cool air into your lungs, it is heated by the radiated heat of your internal surfaces, and when you breathe out, the air carries heat with it. Panting would increase the airflow that this cooling method uses, much like blowing a fan over something carries heat away faster, assuming it is suspended in a medium that is cooler than the object. It's all about entropy in the end. - CHAIRBOY () 21:31, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Panting gets outside air into the body, and inside air out of the body, so to speak. As internal body temperatures are hotter than outside temperatures (unless you live on Venus), panting is an expediant way of swapping hotness for coolness. Vranak 21:52, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help! As a follow-up question, how does it help when the external temperature is hotter than the internal temperature? (say, a hundred and five or so degrees.) Again, much help appreciated ! Xhin 22:13, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is not just a matter of heat being "carried away". Evaporation does actually absorb heat from the environment, thereby cooling it. That is also how the refrigeration of most fridges works, by the evaporation of the refrigerant, thereby achieving temperatures way below the external temperature.  --LambiamTalk 22:26, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Evaporative cooling has the potential to lower the temp of a damp object relative to the surrounding temps. StuRat 23:55, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I reckon than an overheated dog will cool down faster if he's panting in a freezer than panting in a sauna. In fact, I'm quite certain of that.
That said, your body has to put some effort into 'warming up' frigid air, so keeping comfortable when overheated is not a trivial linear equation by any stretch of the imagination. Vranak 00:01, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Think of evaporative cooling this way: the temperature of water is the average amount of energy its molecules have. If you evaporate some of the water, the hottest molecules escape, because only the hottest molecules can escape. What are left are cooler molecules, so the temperature goes down.

If you pant in 40-degree weather, evaporative cooling will cool down the blood in your tongue, which will cool down the rest of your body. However, the hot air itself will warm up the blood in your lungs, which will warm up the rest of your body. So I think panting in 40-degree weather will actually make you hotter. --Bowlhover 01:42, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. It would be a zero-sum gain, meaning the air is warmed up no more than the tongue is cooled down. However, the heat in the air will mostly not go back into the dog's body. Instead, mostly 40 degree air would be drawn into the dog's lungs, cooling it further. (Note that I was assuming 40 F, which is just over freezing temp, you probably meant 40 C, which is just over body temp. Still, evaporative cooling might work up until something like 50 C.) StuRat 02:01, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I was talking about 40 degrees Celsius (that's the world standard, isn't it?). Of course evaporative cooling still works at that temperature, but even if it cools the tongue as much as the air itself heats the lungs, the lungs have more blood and will therefore have a greater effect on body temperature. --Bowlhover 03:12, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Did anyone find a reference in Wikipedia for panting? I do not find a description of the physiology of panting. --Seejyb 12:06, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Gargle salty liquid

Why does gargling with really salty water help sooth a sore throat? I've been doing this whenever I have a sore throat for years and it works like a charm! Dismas|(talk) 21:31, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

According to Gargling, " Gargling with a solution of table salt is known to provide relief for a sore throat because as a natural dehydrator, salt draws water from the inflammations in the throat by osmosis, killing the bacteria which cause the sore throat." Friday (talk) 21:33, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Generally speaking, swimming, washing, frollicking in, bathing wounds in, and even gargling with unpolluted sea water is wonderful for just about any ailment -- except thirst. Vranak 21:44, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How dangerous, if ingested, is shampoo?

I have swallowed a small amount of shampoo about an hour ago (around 0430 at +8 GMT, malaysia) containing the following: Water, Sodium Laureth Sulfate, Lauramidopropyl Betaine, Sodium Cocoamphoacetate, cocamide MEA, laureth-4, Fragnance (That's all it says), Glycerin, Sodium Benzoate, Polyquanternium-10, alchohol, sodium citrate, PEG/PPG-20/22, Butyl ether Dimethicone, Bis(C13-15 Alkoxy), PG Amodimethicone, Quaternium-33, Citrus Aurantium Bergamia (Bergamo) Fruit extract, Butylene Glycol, propylene glycol, Cl 42053, Methylcloroisothiazolinone, Mentha piperita (peppermint) leaf extract, methylisthiazoline, and eucalyptus globulus leaf extract. The product was Feather® Nature Plus Fresh & Lively Shampoo.

Since I'm feeling fine now my question is: "Is the shampoo really dangerous and, if it is, how much of it would it take to cause permanent and/or fatal consequences?"

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 219.95.43.30 (talk) 21:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Seek immediate medical attention. Hipocrite - «Talk» 21:43, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Where I live, in North America, it's common for phone books to list emergency numbers at the front, and they often have free, 24 hour poison control phone numbers that people can call for advice. Does something like that exist in your region? If so, call them. If not, I agree with the previous posters about medical attention. Anchoress 21:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed two comments which attempted to diagnose the severity of the poster's medical condition, prescribed a course of action, or offered a prognosis. I ask that people remember that we can't diagnose or prescribe here on the Reference Desk, that we definitely don't do so in emergent cases, and that we absolutely don't do so for minors. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 23:05, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I feel almost completely fine now though except for the headache-nausea thing which could be easily explained by 10 hours at the computer. What I've been reading so far about Sodium Laureth Sulfate so far has me still a little worried, stuff like this that I know are biased but still put me into minor panic mode when I read stuff like "can't be metabolized by the liver" and "male fertility loss". Since there's no more need to diagnose and offer prognosises my latest query would then be on the severity of the shampoo in question or any shampoo. I've edited the top with links and the relevant query.--219.95.43.30 23:43, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Check out some of these links. Anchoress 23:19, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Did you swallow the actual liquid shampoo or the lather? I can understand accidentally getting lather in your mouth. --24.249.108.133 23:19, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actual lather but a while ago I used some liquid soap as mouth wash with no ill effects. I'll check the contents in a moment. It had Sodium Laureth Sulfate, too. And formaldehyde! Hmm. I never swallowed, though. Anyway could you guys tell my how much of the Feather® Nature Plus Fresh & Lively Shampoo would it take to kill a person please? It'd make an awesome opening for conversation (Did you know if you somehow ended up drink x amount of shampoo you'd suffer x horrible symptoms and die?!)--219.95.43.30 23:43, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Now that you're all well and nothing I say could be construed as medical advice, here goes. I would venture to say that a healthy adult would not be able to kill her or himself by ingesting regular shampoo. Is it a good idea? -absolutely not, it will make you terribly sick, detergents tend to cause violent diarrhea, but this actually helps the stuff pass through you more rapidly. There were a lot of chemicals in that bottle you had, but probably in pretty small amounts; ingredients are listed by weight, and you need very little perfume to smell up a bottle, so probably anything listed after "fragrance" is not too copious. Anyway, even if it smells good, shampoo probably tastes awful, and the near instant vomiting reflex will prevent too much from getting into you anyhow. Also, I would recommend very strongly against getting medical information from the internet unless you are very confident in the source. The web site you linked has no credibility in my book. And neither does much of anything here. If you want medical advice, ask a physician. If you want information on chemicals, look up the MSDS. If you want to settle a bet or are just mildly curious, that's when to consult wikipedia. Tuckerekcut 00:40, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The MSDSs often go way over the top though, just look up sodium chloride for a good example of this. Plugwash 00:59, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Haha, the first hit for "MSDS sodium chloride" gives the M. musculus intracervical LD50. (It's 131μ, in case you care). Remember girls, cervical dilators and the dead sea don't mix.Tuckerekcut 01:54, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Creation of the VCR internal clock

I read the article regarding video machines and it gave very good information regarding the history of vcr's.

I am trying to determine who the inventor of this aspect of the vcr machine is.

Can you help? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dedele34 (talkcontribs) 22:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Good question. The VCR article discusses the evolution of the timer mechanism throughout the article, but the word "clock" is never even used. —Pengo talk · contribs 01:50, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I remember the older style VCR machines that had an inbuilt clock (I think usually LEDs) which you could also program your shows by, but a separate mechanical counter for the tape. The mechanical counter didn't give you an indication of the actual time taken, just like the tape counters in the old audio tape decks. So which aspect of the clock do you mean, the clock, the program timer, or the counter? Really, all of these were adapted from earlier devices as mentioned, they weren't actually invented for the VCR. Setting the timer to record a show is really just a modification of what alarm clocks do. --jjron 07:46, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
IIRC, some very early Sony U-matic video cassette recorders actually used an analogue clock mechanism; I think I owned one once. I'm not sure the idea of putting a clock in a VCR was ever really "invented"; I think it would have to count as being "obvious". Even a pretty old audio cassette recorder of mine has a switch you can flip that will cause it to automatically enter either record or play mode when power is first applied. Combined with an external timer switch, even it can record programs in your absence.
Atlant 12:30, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sense of touch

I often have a very unpleasant feeling while touching some kinds of textiles (something like a combination of formication and kicking by current), and the feeling remains some time after. What's going on (and eventually how to avoid this, except wearing gloves). :) Bisley

The obvious first question: what type of textiles? Man-made fibers (polyester, acrylic, nylon, spandex etc), I am guessing? Vranak 23:55, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Wool and acrylic, may be some other types used for pullovers in particular. --Bisley —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.142.184.86 (talk) 00:32, 19 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]
Hyper sensitivity to electrostatic discharge? That's my guess. I don't even know if that's a condition. —Pengo talk · contribs 01:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have no idea how to explain this or what to recommend. I think reading about reiki might help though. Vranak 02:36, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe you have hyperesthesia. - Cybergoth 05:14, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Quite a few people cannot touch a peach, and even the idea of touching one makes them shiver. If you have the same, it has something to do with the fuzziness. Spandex should be fine, but velvet is sheer torture. It is a tactile equivalent of what other people have with the sound (and the idea) of a nail scratching the blackboard. There is almost certainly a word for this condition, but I don't know it. For eating a peach, it may help to wet it, but wetting is usually not practical and also possibly not helpful for textiles. Other than avoiding it, there seems to be little choice but enduring it.  --LambiamTalk 09:12, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting that our article formication redirects to anogther page ... --HappyCamper 16:35, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

December 19

Forensic bloods tests...

I just had this, I think, ridiculous argument with my neighbour about certain substances in the blood, that are tested for forensically. I haven`t checked any of your resources here, sorry. I thought I needed a specific response. 'She' said that cocaine is AUTOMATICALLY tested for, in blood tests, but that anti-freeze, ethyline glycol isn`t. " I " said that ANYTHING 'has to be' tested for...nothing is AUTOMATIC. Who is correct. Thank you for ANY replies. Andrrea216.218.116.1 01:05, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There are many types of "forensic blood test"s-- the term refers to any test done for legal purposes (as opposed to medical treatment or research, say). An alcohol level drawn after suspected drunk driving is a forensic blood test, as is a sample run on a corpse to determine whether certain kinds of drugs were involved in a death, or drawn from a criminal suspect to see if he can be connected to crime evidence. What context were you arguing about? alteripse 01:37, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ty Alterprise...the 'keyword' here is AUTOMATIC. Is cocaine automatically tested for in a port-mordem blood test, regardless of asuumptions of cause of death. I hope that clears my querry somewhat. Andrea216.218.116.1 01:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It also depends on the location, some places will test for more things than others. StuRat 01:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
"everything" could be tested for, but that would consume two things the police don't have spare: time and money. so i'd say they test for things they suspect in the real world (as opposed to shows like CSI, where a battery of random testing can be done in a single montage). Xcomradex 02:38, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The police, like hospital emergency rooms, use standard "tox screens" offered by commercial laboratories. These generally include drugs of abuse (cocaine, amphetamines, opiates, alcohol, benzodiazepines, barbiturates), but generally don't include substances which are ingested only accidentally (or administered for nefarious purposes), such as ethylene glycol. Obviously if foul play or poisoning or a specific poison were suspected, a different toxicology test would be ordered. Ethylene glycol poisoning is most often suspected on the basis of a suggestive history, the presence of an increased anion gap, acidosis, and confirmed by testing only after treatment has begun. A routine post-mortem toxicology screen would almost always include cocaine, and almost always not include ethylene glycol. - Nunh-huh 03:28, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing is tested for "automatically", whatever you mean by that. Someone makes a policy at a local level, or makes an individual decision for an individual case. The specific tests obtained according to policy or for the individual case would depend on what was available readily and what specific problems were suspected. As mentioned by Nunh-hunh, in many areas there are standard "batteries" of tests referred to as a "toxicology screen" that are obtained if a drug or poison effect is suspected. The contents of these screens have varied in different years, different locations, and different laboratories. alteripse 04:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The difference with your neighbour may simply be in the point of view associated with the use of the term "automatic". When she says it is "automatically tested for", she may mean that the people ordering the test don't have to do "something specific" to get the cocaine screening, since it is routinely tested for, so from their point of view it will happen as it were "by itself", "automatically". The lab people probably have to do something specific to obtain the lab results; from their point of view it is not quite automatic.  --LambiamTalk 09:27, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pseudoephedrine shelf life

What is the shelf life of pseudoephedrine pills? Can they last for decades? Do they have to be stored in an especially cool or dry place?

The reason I ask is that I just found out about the stupid sales restrictions in the US and I'm worried it might become even harder to obtain. In that case a supply will have been a good investment, and if not, it doesn't matter because I use it often and would have bought that much eventually anyway. And if some people from the FDA come to see me, I don't care because I'm not running a meth lab. Is there anything wrong with this plan? —Keenan Pepper 03:06, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Based on Sudafed, the tablets should have shelf-life of a couple years if kept in a light/water proof pill bottle at room temperature. As with any question of this kind, you should refer primarily to the documentation accompanying the pills. Dragons flight 16:02, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pseudoephedrine of itself if kept in a closed dark bottle (no light, limited oxygen) would last for many many years. Exposure to light - especially outdoors with uv is a sure way to cause it to 'go off'. This shouldn't be a problem for you.

Cool dark dry places are always the best - but the difference between store at 20C and 10C would be negligable.
Keep them in the packaging - or if they are in a bottle - you could put cling film or similar between bottle and lid to ensure an airtight seal - probably not necessary though.
Other substances in the pills eg the filler might alter the shelf life.83.100.158.248 18:18, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I remember reading in an article in some magazine that the efficacy of medicines in pill form lasted far longer (years) than the "use by" date, although it might drop a little (say 95% effective instead of 100%). In fact, a quick Google search revealed [14]. howcheng {chat} 18:40, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I was wondering what you want the pseudoephedrine for - and what are these sales restrictions. 83.100.158.248 18:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pseudoephedrine is a very effect nasal decongestant. Unfortunately it can also be used to create methamphetamine. Thus, in the US there are federal regulations as to how it can be sold. Not having bought any recently (the phenylephrine that replaced it works decently for me), I can't testify as to the restrictions, but I remember reading in the papers that it's basically a cap on the amount you can purchase, and I believe you may have to sign a log book when you buy it (like when you pick up a prescription). However, it's still widely available at all major pharmacies -- just at the pharmacy desk instead of on the shelf. howcheng {chat} 19:00, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I can't help noticing that phenylephrine would be a good precursor for methoxyamphetamine - maybe that will be controlled as to the amount that can be bought too.

I should take the opportunity to point out that if you knowingly take medicines that are past their sell by date you may be at a disadvantage legally if something goes wrong. I just have to mention that obviously - the sell by date is there for your safety (and safety of the company that produces them from expensive legal cases etc etc). I wouldn't recommend stockpiling.83.100.158.248 19:09, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Contradicting Articles

Unless I'm mistaken, the marijuana article implies in the lethal dose section that more marijuana is required orally for a lethal dose than smoked, while the THC article implies that more is required smoked than eaten for a lethal dose. If I am mistaken, could somone please say so and possibly explain why, or if I'm not could somone tell me which article is correct. BeefJeaunt 06:18, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Both of the articles that you linked specify 1270 mg/kg as the LD50 for THC administered orally. I see no contradiction.141.161.222.56 09:07, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
For the LD50 (in rats) I see this:
Cannabis (drug): orally: 1270 mg/kg; inhalation: 42 mg/kg.
Tetrahydrocannabinol: orally: 1270 mg/kg; smoking: "much more".
To reconcile these claims, we need to assume that "much more" than 96.7% of the THC is lost through burning or exhalation, which seems really high to me (no pun intended). Rather, I suspect the editor of the "much more" statement in the THC article mistakenly assumed that the inhalation LD50 is essentially the same as for oral administration, so that the wording "much more" reflects the editor's (reasonable) assumption that in smoking much more than 0% of the THC does not make it to the body.  --LambiamTalk 09:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Parasitic wasps and humans

What would happen if a parasitic wasp were to try to lay its eggs into a human? JIP | Talk 10:34, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What species? 68.39.174.238 13:47, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It'd get swatted :-). No, seriously, parasitic wasps tend to lay their eggs in invertebrates, predominately other arthropods such as caterpillars, moths, flies, spiders, etc, and generally in the immature stages of these arthropods. The wasp larvae are internal parasites of the host, and ultimately kill it. Thus the hosts are fairly specific, and are probably genetically programmed into the wasp. If, despite this, it did try to lay in a large mammal like a human, even if it did get the eggs laid it would only be in or just below the epidermis and the eggs would either be destroyed by the body's defences or would not be able to get to a suitable location in the body in order to survive. And if it did overcome all these obstacles, when the larva matured, it would not kill the host, so would probably die itself anyway. --jjron 14:15, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
parasitic wasps (braconidae, ichneumonidae, sphecidae, etc.) paralyse their prey temporarily or permanently; the prey is then consumed slowly by the vasp larva(e). Some wasps also remove antennae of the prey insect. The larvae are "genetically programmed" not to gnaw at the vital organs of the prey until the very last moment, to keep the prey alive as long as possible (sad but true). I do not think that would work with large mammals as prey, so human kind is probably safe. Why there are no wasps preying, say, on mice is beyond me. Oestridae flies, on the other hand, are known to parasitize large mammals. Larvae develop under the skin (see botfly), in nasal passages, or in the intestines. The results are rather nasty, though very seldom fatal. Dr_Dima.

aromatic carbon

Heya,

I usually read the articles in spacedaily every day and today there is an article entitled:

The Basic Rules of the Universe.

In it, Pascale Ehrenfreund states a great deal concerning carbon found in the universe and puts special importance on aromatic carbon.

Unfortunately I loose her around here - what is aromatic carbon? Why is it so important? Is it what makes carbon able to create the complex structures which allow life?

So I've had a little look at google but all the answers are hard core chemistry - which isn't much use when I'm not getting the fundimental idea of what it is or what it relates to.

Any/all help would be greatly appreciated.

Kind regards. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 194.63.116.72 (talk) 13:33, 19 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

This may be of use to you: Aromatic_hydrocarbon. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Moffo (talkcontribs) 13:37, 19 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

Hi, (it always helps if you can link to stuff you're asking about - I found it anyway here http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/The_Basic_Rules_Of_The_Universe_999.html I put it in so other people can read it.)87.102.5.69 13:47, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Aromatic" in organic chemistry means there's a benzene ring in it somewhere: Basically six carbon atoms in a hexagonal circle. 68.39.174.238 13:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon is definately the article you should look at.87.102.5.69 13:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A little more here http://www.astrochem.org/PAHs.html87.102.5.69 13:57, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
To add one more to the list of recommended reading; see aromaticity. --Ed (Edgar181) 13:58, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]