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January 5

Whether to put a proposal in the 'Proposals' section or the 'Idea lab' section

I'm not asking about a specific proposal because I have made way more than one and will continue doing so. I'm asking about a general strategy for which of them to put it in. I know the 'Proposals' section is for well formed ideas. Does well formed mean it went into the Idea lab first and after alot of discussion of supporting the proposal, the same proposal gets copied into the 'Proposals' section or does well formed mean that the person themself making the proposal thought really carefully in their own head about what they're going to write and they thought about it so well that they're very sure the change the proposal is suggesting would be a useful change to Wikipedia instead of a harmful one and because they thought about it so well before they wrote it, there's no need to write it in the Idea lab first? Is there a Help page that discusses when a proposal should go in the Idea lab and when it should go in the 'Proposals' section? There's an additional problem that when a proposal goes into the Idea lab, it tends to get less attention and even if that idea was strongly enough supported to go into the 'Proposals' section, it would never make it there because it would gain enough attention for people to support it whereas if it went into the 'Proposals' section in the first place when it was supposed to go into the Idea lab, it would gain lots of attention and so many people supporting it that Wikipedia would finally make a change based on that proposal. Blackbombchu (talk) 01:32, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

There is no requirement to use the Idea Lab ever, you can do so if you think it would be helpful. There is no stanadrd for what should or should not go thru the lap, which is realativly new. Proposals should be "well formed" in the snese that they are ready for people to say "yes" or "no" to. If during the discussion people say 'yes but" and sugest a modified version of a proposal, it can create a problem because then if the proposal is changed it sometiems is unclear if early supporters would support the modified version, especially if multiple versions are suggested. it is often a good idea to post informally to a relavant talk page, and say "I'd like to propose this" (perhaps with a link to a sandbox with draft text) ""do you think it eould fly or should it be improved". The people you most need to listen to in such cases ar not thsoe strongly oppose (unless ther are so many the proposal is pointless) but those who support conditionally or have what they think is a bettre idea. Fragmented support often dooms a proposal. Finding common ground that all or most of the suppoorts can get behanid bfore makign a formal proposal is a good idea. The lab is one way to do that, butnot the only one. If you are sure that a given proposal is in what should be its final state, and the question is simply an up or down, yes or no question, then the proposal is "well formed". DES ^(talk) 02:39, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Connect an article in English with the same article in other language

Dear Sir/Madam

Before, I knew I could connect an article written in English with the same article in another language by adding It:Xxxxx Xxxxxxxx, between [[, (for italian, for example) , in the end of the article.

But now, it seams things have changed and I do not know how I should do it.

Can someone help me please?

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aviz2000 (talk • contribs) 02:00, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Which English article do you wish to connect to which other article? There is general help at Help:Interlanguage links but we can say more or do it for you if you name the articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:19, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Aviz2000. Go to the article. On the left side of your screen if you scroll down a bit you should see a "languages" section with an "Edit links" section. Click that and you'll be taken to a page where you can add a link. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 02:20, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict × 2) All those links have been moved to a new project called Wikidata, which houses all interwikis so all editions of an article in multiple languages have the same links and don't need to be updated individually. To add a link to say, the subject's article in Italian, on the left sidebar of the page on the English entry click "Data item" in the tools section. At the bottom of the table called "Wikipedia pages linked to this item", click [add] and type the language code (like it), and then type/paste the corresponding Italian article's title there, and then click [save]. ~HueSatLum 02:23, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

The presence of "Edit links" and "Data item" depends on the page. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:32, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Creating Wiki Pages and avoid Deletion

I'm creating Group Company pages similar to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rane_(Madras)_Ltd (Rane Madras). But my pages are marked for Speedy Deletion and gets deleted. Please advise what needs to be done to avoid the same. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thinkinside (talk • contribs) 03:13, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Replied on talk page. - Purplewowies (talk) 03:30, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Titanic again

I've now created Edith Rosenbaum, can anybody willing to read the article help me correct spelling mistakes and other grammar as well as to see if the picture is well-licensed? Thank you! --Japanesehelper (talk) 03:14, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

I have done some copyediting, but inline souces would be highly desireable. DES ^(talk) 03:37, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Problem With: Lake Bled

RE: Lake Bled. I was just trying to upload a photo of mine onto the gallery section of this page and inadvertently affected a change, that now has only the file names listed, and the photos themselves are gone. Sincerest apologies, Hope to remedy! Edwardwexler (talk) 04:28, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

The formatting has been fixed by User:Doremo. What happened was you accidentally deleted the <Gallery> tag that marked the start of the gallery. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 04:37, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting it. See Help:Diff for how to see your edits, in this case [1]. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:43, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

There are some problems with the Shima Province Wiki Page

Shima Province (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

The word derrick is inserted in the first sentence. It states that "the provincial capital is in simi valley california where the closest descent of the shima island is not yet a man" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.41.81.167 (talk • contribs) 07:03, 5 January 2014‎

It looks like vandalism - I've reverted it to the previous state. Thanks for pointing this out. AndyTheGrump (talk) 07:10, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Deletion of a deletion discussion

Dear editors: An Mfd discussion about a user page, Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Josan Sandeep‎, has been blanked by the user. I haven't come across this before. Should I just revert it? —Anne Delong (talk) 07:43, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

I did a bold RV, since the user blanked it because he didn't want the page deleted (he added his reasoning on his own talk page). I'd say that if unexplained, it should probably be reverted because it's about the same as redacting others' talk page comments. - Purplewowies (talk) 08:49, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

The blanking of deletion discussions as a way to try to stop the deletion is not that uncommon (though not as common as removing the nomination notice from the page) and should almost always be reverted. Though it is not at all applicable here, note Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Courtesy blanking of talkpage or deletion debates.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:22, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks; the discussion has been closed now. —Anne Delong (talk) 04:35, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Category:Lists of film characters

Hi, can anyone help diffuse Category:Lists of film characters to some of the subcategories that I've created. Sorry, it's late, and I do not have enough time to do them all. I would appreciate it if anyone can help. Thanks--NeoBatfreak (talk) 07:49, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure subcategories are a good idea here. There are only 62 pages currently and it can be practical to have them together and not worry about how a film is classified. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:18, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Okay, based from what you said, I reverted all the pages back to the former, because I do not want to cause trouble. I want to comply Wikipedia's policy.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 20:31, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

It's just my judgment. If it came up at WP:CFD then I wouldn't support this subcategorization with so few articles but others might think different. If you no longer want the categories then you can tag them with {{db-g7}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:57, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

MarianoRivero

he has been constantly spamming and editing some articles and is already vandalizing some articles — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.83.57.125 (talk) 08:24, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Stop edit-warring. If you believe that the user has been vandalizing, place a warning on the user's talk page, and discuss the changes on the relevant articles' talk pages. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:19, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

MarianoRivero has been blocked and the settings for 2013 Metro Manila Film Festival have been changed so that only autoconfirmed users can edit it. -- Jreferee (talk) 18:46, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

talk page

how long does it take to get an answer? 174.19.169.92 (talk) 09:31, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Usually until the volunteer whose page you posted on can spare the time from the real world to read your question and formulate an answer. Britmax (talk) 10:42, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

As an alternative you may also look at the Wikiproject discussion pages and post your query there, there are a lot more editors checking the wikiproject talk pages that a certain article belongs to then an individual articles talk page. ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 11:25, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

174.19.169.92 - Regarding this question, there is a discussion at Talk:Ted_Cruz#Canadian_Citizenship. Also, Cruz's dual nationality is not mentioned in the article intro because it does not meet WP:LEAD. -- Jreferee (talk) 18:31, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Article view counter

Is there a problem with the article view counter being off-line sine Jan 1? My unscientific clicking on a few pages says there is - showing several days of suddenly zero views of articles that should not have zero views. eg. [2] Alanscottwalker (talk) 12:37, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

It happens sometimes, take a look at the developer's user page here for updates. Samwalton9 (talk) 12:44, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Image/Logo Upload in Wikipedia Spanish

Is there an equivalent way in the Spanish Wikipedia to upload logos similar to this: Wikipedia:Upload or do I have to use Wikimedia commons? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xlancer (talk • contribs) 13:56, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

A bit off topic, but you cannot upload most logos to Commons as most logos are copyright and Commons only accepts free images. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 14:23, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Languages can set their own policies. es:Special:Upload says file uploads are disabled. Spanish Wikipedia#Differences from other Wikipedias says:

• The Spanish Wikipedia only accepts free images, and has rejected fair use since 2004, after a public vote. In 2006, it was decided to phase out the use of local image uploads and to exclusively use Wikimedia Commons for images and other media in the future.

See Wikipedia:Logos for which logos don't require fair use according to the English Wikipedia (I don't know whether the Spanish agrees). You would also have to be allowed to upload the logo at Commons. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:12, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very miuch Xlancer (talk) 19:47, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Transclusion question

If you add a transclusion like {{/thing}} to a page, what does the forward slash in the template do?--Bbb23 (talk) 20:27, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

I already got an answer offline.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:03, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

print size

wikipedia (and only wikipedia) is in huge print. How do I get back to regular print? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.179.210.148 (talk) 20:50, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Nothing else in the browser is ? You could use <CTRL> - to make everything smaller in the browser window. StuRat (talk) 20:54, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

O'Donnell page move has caused talk page to be shared

I attempted to move Joseph O'Donnell Sr. to Joseph O'Donnell (younger). Either I messed up or the software messed up. Right now both pages share the same talk page! The talk page history is with Joseph O'Donnell (younger) and the article history is with Joseph O'Donnell Sr. If you go from Joseph O'Donnell Sr. to talk you get the Joseph O'Donnell (younger) talk page.

The reason I had for the move is explained in the talk page. The page was created about Joseph O'Donnell (Spanish general) who lived 1768-1836 and a user mistakenly changed it to Joseph O'Donnell Sr. (1722-1787), removing the original material and adding all new material. The user then copied the original material to another page: Henry O'Donnell, 1st Count of la Bisbal (1769-1834). I'm sure it was an honest mistake caused by the user believing (incorrectly) that Joseph and his brother Henry Joseph (Enrique Jose) were the same person. I've already removed the Joseph material from the Henry, Count of la Bisbal page and wrote a tactful note on the user's page explaining about the mix up. I think I've fixed all linking articles, too.

Since the move failed, please fix the shared talk page by doing whatever is the easiest for you. Or, tell me how it can be done. Just in case, I have saved copies of both pages. Thanks. Djmaschek (talk) 21:43, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

 Done The move did not fail, it simply left a redirect when the talk page was also moved, as is normal. I have removed the redir and left and appropraite note on the talk page. Note thst In ictu oculi is an experienced editor, who seems to agree with you that s/he made a mistake on this occasion. Take a look at my edits if you want to see what i did. DES ^(talk) 22:13, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Fixing double redirects - are they "minor" edits or major?

I recently moved a page and was snapping the redirects. Am I supposed to mark alongside the edit summary the "minor edit" box, or leave that unchecked? meteor_sandwich_yum (talk) 22:29, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

You are never required to mark an edit as minor. In general, merely technical edits that do nothing but correct spelling, grammer, and markup without changing the meaning can be marked as minor. So I would propbably mark ficing a double redir as minor. But it is an er minor issue either way. See WP:Minor edit. DES ^(talk) 22:39, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

January 6

Search terms lead to incorrect entry

When I type in "Church of the Creator," I'm directed to this page: Church of the creator, which is the page for a white supremacist organization, NOT an actual church.

That organization was sued in court and lost and may no longer legally use that name. How do I get the search results changed?

Church of the Creator (talk) 00:32, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Where should it redirect? GB fan 00:36, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm going to set up an official Church of the Creator page and that's where queries should direct to. Is there any way to change the current direct in the meantime? Church of the Creator (talk) 01:16, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Church of the Creator. DES ^(talk) 01:17, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Nice -- my other account was blocked. Sorry I broke your rules. Now -- how about helping me change the directs so that people who looking for the religious organization CHURCH OF THE CREATOR aren't instead sent to the page for the white supremacist group that was successfully sued in court and is no longer allowed to use or be affiliated with that name. Thanks. Bohemian Gal (talk) 01:35, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

All such pages now recirect to Creativity (religion) or a similarly neutral target, so your request has already been fulfilled. Note thst in creating a new page about a church of this name, please be sure that it is notable. Please also read our conflict of interst policy if you are an employee of or affiliated with the church. If that is the case, you should not directly create or edit such an article, except possibly via articles for creation. DES ^(talk) 01:45, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

When I type in "Church of the Creator," THIS is where I'm sent:

Church of the creator

It's a page aaaaaaaaaaall about the White Supremacist group.

And, no, I'm not affiliated with COTC (I'm an atheist, in fact) -- just trying to help out a friend who IS. Bohemian Gal (talk) 01:47, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

The redirect should definitely be changed if the white supremacists aren't allowed to use the name anymore, since it isn't the name of their church. If there is no article for the Oregon church either, then the redirect really serves no purpose other than to misdirect people and should be deleted altogether. —Soap— 01:55, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Note my comment below: the white supremacists may not be allowed to use this name, but if they did so and were so referenced in reliable third party sources Wikipedia will so report. Deleting the redirect would be a matter for Redirects for Discussion. I'm not sure what would happen there. If the is another topic to ehich the redir should point, it could be altered. I am going off-line now, but will check back on this later. Or other editors may help sooner. I'm sorry that I haven't been as accurate at first as I should have been, and that the issue is not yet dolved to your satisfaction. DES ^(talk) 02:09, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Try purging your browser's cache, that page is now merely a redirect to the Creativity (religion) page. See this history and this log page. If after refreshing yoiur browser cachse you still see an article about rhe White Supremacist group, please post here again because in that case there is something odd going on. 01:54, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

My error Creativity (religion) is the page about the White Supremacist group. The Afd linked to above (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Church of the Creator) decided that the article should be redirected thee, as that is the notable name of the WS group. We could add a hatnote (a note near the top of the article, indicating the difference. Or possibly content about the court case in this article. Note that if a group is commonly known by a name, Wikipedia will normally say so, even if it does not have the legal right to the name. DES ^(talk) 02:03, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

correct mark up code for links

Dear friends, I just created a new page to submit, but i seem to have used the incorrect code for linking to other wiki pages, as well as linking to Wiki's ISBN Book Source page. Can you please clarify what mark up code i need to insert? I used the square brackets to surround my linked website pages. But i see this is only to be used for external sources. I can't find the correct directions, though I've searched. Please help? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Julesfaye (talk • contribs) 00:51, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

 Done Use douple brackets for internal links. Inside the double brackets should go just the article's title, not the full URL. For example this:

[[Wikipedia]]

renders as Wikipedia.

I fixed two of the links on Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Mirabai Starr so you can see how it is done. See also WP:LINK. DES ^(talk) 01:12, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:ISBN to learn how ISBN linking works. You need only place a space after ISBN and have a number follow it, and it will automagically link itself like this (if you check the edit window you will see it's just plainly typed): ISBN 9780000000000 - Purplewowies (talk) 06:07, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Pagename for User:SpaceJace

Today I attempted to create my first article and feel pretty good about it. However, how do I create the "pagename" at the top of the article?

I will be adding some images as well once my account is confirmed.

Thank you.

"SpaceJace"

User:SpaceJace

SpaceJace (talk) 02:09, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

To create the "pagename" at the top of the article, you would move User:SpaceJace to Earth Tribe L.A.. However, since the Earth Tribe L.A. topic does not meet WP:GNG, moving the page would result in a series of disappointing experiences for you with Wikipedia in that the article on Earth Tribe L.A. eventually would be deleted. If you have another topic in mind to write about, I would be happy to help you with it. -- Jreferee (talk) 04:55, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

I have moved the user page to a user sandbox at User:SpaceJace/Sandbox - user pages are not the appropriate place for draft articles.--ukexpat (talk) 20:06, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Who is the editor now watching our page?

I have questions about an edit that someone made with a wrong date on it!

How do I find out who is watching our page now? And how do I contact them? Seems we keep getting new editors, over time, and each has a different opinion. Consistency would be nice! Also, I am not a techie, I am a long-time volunteer. Kindly don't use technical (or legal) terms I won't understand. Thank you. Yvonnefitz (talk) 04:15, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

There is no specific or particular editor "in charge of" or "watching" any particualr article. Any editor may edit any artice he or she chooses at any time. Over time, most articles are edited by a more or less wide variety of editors.

I don't know which page you refer to as "our page". The policy WP:OWN prohibits any editor from "owning" or having exclusive control over any article. I see you have edited High School of Art and Design quite a bit, is that the page you refer to?

When discussing edits to an article and what would or would not improve the article, it is often better to use the article's talk page rather than a user's talk page. In the case i linked to above that would be Talk:High School of Art and Design. If you want to be sure that a particular editor sees a comment, use {{U}} with the editor's user name, like this, Yvonnefitz, and the user would be notified of the comment when the user next logs in, but other editors interested in the article can also see the comments and have a single place to discuss the article.

Some matters are governed by policies or guidelines, but a great many issues are matters of opinion here, and your opinion is just as valuable as that of any other editor. DES ^(talk) 04:27, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Yvonnefitz - A list of the edits to High School of Art and Design can be found here. A list of the people who contributed to High School of Art and Design can be found here. To contact them, each user has a talk page associate with the user name. For example, User talk:Yvonnefitz is associated with your user name. -- Jreferee (talk) 04:46, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Jreferee, but I was never aware there was a sole "talk" page for the High School of Art and Design. Usually, the subject wound up on the talk page of whichever editor had last been watching it. And I then had to go to that editor's page. The last editor had discussions with me in 2012, I believe. So, at this point, I didn't know where to go. Or whom to seek out. Did I not include the wiki page link in my question? I was sure I did that so whoever read my question would know what page I was referring to. Yvonnefitz (talk) 07:24, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Every article has a talk page. Discussion about an article should go on that talk page. The talk page is accessible from the article page by clicking on the tab for Talk. It is preferred for comments about article content to go to the article talk page rather than trying to guess what editor is likely to respond, since no editor is "responsible" for "watching" an article in an encyclopedia anyone can edit. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:08, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Yvonnefitz - Post at Talk:High School of Art and Design. People may not be monitoring that talk page (given that Wikipedia has millions of talk pages and only thousands of editors), so feel free to make a second post at this Help Desk asking to have someone respond to you at Talk:High School of Art and Design. In the alternative, post at Talk:High School of Art and Design and use Template:Request edit with your post and that will being someone to address your request. I know this is frustrating and confusing, but everyone is has the article's content in their best interest and will be happy to work to bring it into Wikipedia's standards, particularly given the importance of the high school. -- Jreferee (talk) 15:44, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Errors in titles of articles.

The titles of these articles, all of which begin with the word "Immigration [sic]" are incorrect:

Immigration [sic] to [sic] Mexico

        "                      to [sic] the United States
        "                      to [sic] Canada
        "                      to [sic] Argentina
        "                      to [sic] the United Kingdom since Irish independence

In the context of these articles, the proper title should be "Emigration to .... [etc.]" If the authors would substitute "to" with "in", then immigration would be correct. How would I do that? Full Definition of EMIGRATE: to leave one's place of residence or country to live elsewhere <emigrated from Canada to the United States> Autodidact1 (talk) 04:50, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

This probably has come up some place, but I was not able to find it. Some links: Wikipedia:List_of_commonly_misused_English_words#E notes emigration is the process of leaving a country; immigration is the process of arriving in a country—in both cases, indefinitely. Also see, Propose renaming Category:Australian immigration to Category:Immigration to Australia. If you are looking to generate a discussion on this, you can try listing one of the articles at Wikipedia:Requested moves or post a request at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language or Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous). If you look at All pages with prefix to see what pages are redirected and what pages are article titles, you can get a better idea on how consensus is dealing with this issue. For example, Immigration in France redirects to Immigration to France and Immigration in the United States redirects to Immigration to the United States, so the use of "to" seems to be favored. -- Jreferee (talk) 05:10, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

For what it's worth, Autodidact1, I strongly disagree with you on both counts. I believe that the current titles are exactly right. But if you want to pursue this, follow Jreferee's suggestions for where to propose it. --ColinFine (talk) 18:18, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

ruth madevitt

just saw her on ALFRED HITCHCOCK with RODY MCDOWELL on TV. BUT see no credit given her on that program on your address. JoeP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.163.107.239 (talk) 05:15, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Unlike IMDB, Wikipedia filmographies such as the one at Ruth McDevitt tend to be partial lists giving a selection of the subject's most notable roles. So far, nobody has decided to add that particular appearance to her list. Rojomoke (talk) 06:02, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

And that nobody is me. Miss Right (and Mrs. Fister) are now listed. Sort of notable, as she was also in The Birds right around then. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:34, January 6, 2014 (UTC)

Re-submitting.

I'm trying to resubmit the following, very much edited article.

Chris Inglis

Chris Inglis is a voice actor known primarily for being the voice of Charlie Brown on Peanuts television specials. [1] [2] [3]

See "Play it Again Charlie Brown"', "Charlie Brown" in Wikipedia

References[edit] [1] IMDB, Chris Inglis [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1316592/ [2] "Play It Again Charlie Brown", Wikipedia [3] "Charlie Brown", Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cwinglis (talk • contribs) 06:52, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

IMDB and Wikipedia's other entries are not enough to prove that a person is notable enough for an article on Wikipedia. The person would need substantial independent coverage in other media. Please see WP:BIO for our notability requirements. And due to the fact that your username is similar to the subject you are (presumably) requesting an article for, please see our conflict of interest policy. Dismas|^(talk) 07:17, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

watch list

my watch list is not saving the pages i ask it to not saving any at all (Mr N Ivanov (talk) 07:09, 6 January 2014 (UTC))

When you go to your watchlist and then click on the link at the top that says "View and edit watchlist", do you have any articles there? Or is it empty? And just to make sure you understand what a watchlist is supposed to provide: Your watchlist will only show changes to the articles on it within the last X number of days. Not every article on your watchlist will show up every time you view it. Dismas|^(talk) 07:21, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Probably easy question about image layout.

Help Desk, the pharoah's in trouble!

How can I make the image of Amenemhat II's sphinx line up neatly into the relevant section? All I know to try is right and left alignment. Left gets it tangled up with the See Also and References, right puts it right at the bottom, under a long-ass infobox. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:19, January 6, 2014 (UTC)

You can use <br clear=all> at the end of the section but that leaves a huge whitespace. With as short as the article is, I don't think that it will neatly fit another image. Dismas|^(talk) 07:24, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

As Hans Moleman once said, "No, that's too big." But thanks for the suggestion. InedibleHulk (talk) 07:38, January 6, 2014 (UTC)

@InedibleHulk: Slightly unrelated, can you use the regular format for dates (5 tiles (13:43, 6 January 2014 (UTC)) +username, or 4 tiles (--Mdann52talk to me! 13:43, 6 January 2014 (UTC)) ) to sign your messages? It messes up the flow of discussion for some, and may not conform with guidelines. At the least, dates shouldn't be linked. --Mdann52talk to me! 13:43, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

I don't know. Another editor also didn't like this a while back, and I see how it might be slightly confusing. But I really don't like the default date format. I get that it's common in a lot of the world, but as a Canadian, it just seems backwards, and I conscientiously object to propogating its use. I'd be more open to unlinking it, though I don't see how that part is as problematic as the formatting. I try to weigh the "damage" it causes against the "benefit" to me. I'm probably biased there, but the good seems to outweigh the bad. I've tried a few compromises, but they don't really work. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:20, January 7, 2014 (UTC)

You could use the preference option under "date and time" to have all the dates in any standard signature read in the order you'd like. - Purplewowies (talk) 03:26, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Tried that, as one of the "few compromises". Doesn't work. Don't know why not. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:38, January 8, 2014 (UTC)

Could move the Sphinx image to the left of the article though I'm not sure I'd like the way that would look. RJFJR (talk) 16:24, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

No, I don't like it, either. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:20, January 7, 2014 (UTC)

As to the references; see Template:Reflist#Image flow issues. --  Gadget850 ^talk 23:27, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

I'll take a look. Thanks. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:20, January 7, 2014 (UTC)

Got it. At least it looks good on my monitor. Good work, Gadget. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:49, January 8, 2014 (UTC)

Wrong Article title

Dear Admin

The wikipedia page for the upcoming film 'Vaayai Moodi pesavum' displays a wrong spelling. Please make the necessary changes.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nayakcinema (talk • contribs) 07:33, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

The link for the article is Vaai Moodi Pesavum. And as far as changing the name of the article, it would have to be moved to the new title. That said, only two of the several references that are provided in the article ever mention the name of the film. They don't even match one another. And they don't match either spelling of the article title here! Is there anyone who speaks Tamil who might be able to tell us what the title of the film actually is? Dismas|^(talk) 07:42, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Fake profile

hi there somebody has made a fake profile on here using my daughters name and sending rude pictures of themselves actings as my daughter messaging her friends please can u remove it as I've contacted the police, the user name is chloecobane13,plz look into this thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.104.94.162 (talk) 09:52, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

I added a heading to separate your request from the one above. Are you sure about the name and that the place it was registered on is Wikipedia? I cant find any user with the name chloecobane13, perhaps there is some letter, space or capital missing? Sjö (talk) 09:58, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) There is no user named Chloecobane13 - or anything similar - on Wikipedia (see this search). I believe you may have us confused with another website. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:01, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes, you might want to contact some other website instead. We do have articles about many social networking sites and the like, but that doesn't mean that we are a part of their organization. Also, there are very few ways to send messages for a Wikipedia user, basically you can only contact other Wikipedia users. What tells you that the rude pictures were sent by someone from Wikipedia? Sjö (talk) 10:09, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Can't even see that username on Google search. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:19, January 6, 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia Language

I would like to point out the the so-called "English" Wikipedia is in fact American English, and not true British English. It makes it difficult when I am forced to constantly spell-check articles for use in projects. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.68.225.90 (talk) 12:47, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Actually, it's both. There's no preference here for one version of English over another. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:50, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

See regional varieties of English. Also, please don't insult speakers of American English by distinguishing it from "true British English". (That is just as annoying as the disparagement of British English by Americans.) Those and multiple other varieties of English are considered by Wikipedia and by scholars to be regional varieties of English. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:13, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Some articles are even in Australian English, which may suit you better. Of course, you shouldn't be copy-pasting articles into your projects in any case; Wikipedia is not a reliable source, and the software to detect plagiarism is getting cheaper and more reliable. Arjayay (talk) 13:28, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Actually, copy-pasting Wikipedia's text is entirely permissible, as long as it's attributed back to Wikipedia. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:30, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

You miss my point, copy pasting is certainly allowed by Wikipedia, however, no (reputable) educational institute wants projects to comprise of copy pasted extracts, from a potentially unreliable source, even if the student has to go through the "hardship" of using a spell-checker. Arjayay (talk) 13:43, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Ah, see your point now. I hadn't assumed that the OP was a student. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:46, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

DrVita

Not sure where to go next with my DrVita page to get it accepted -- new to all of this. Any help would be so appreciated.Halescape (talk) 13:58, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Halescape. As several reviewers have pointed out, you need to provide suitable references for your article. First, read this succinct explanation of the sort of sources you need. Next, read this short essay on how to incorporate them into your draft. Once you've done that, add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the draft to resubmit it. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:10, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Login problem

I know some at the help desk are on top of login issues. OTRS received a request VRTS ticket # 2014010510006699 Is there someone comfortable with login problems who could help?--S Philbrick(Talk) 16:19, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Those questions are beyond me, so I was unable to help I am afraid.--ukexpat (talk) 21:54, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Staysure - blacklisted?

"\bstay[\w-]*\.co\.uk\b" false positive

The entry for "\bstay[\w-]*\.co\.uk\b" was added on 12 April 2011 in response to this request. However, this rule is overly broad (it seems to catch any domain starting "stay" and ending ".co.uk"). This is causing problems with the link to www.staysure.co.uk on Sunday Times Fast Track 100. Could this rule be removed or rewritten to be more specific to the domains mentioned in the original request? Thank you. – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 17:16, 28 September 2013 (UTC) @Amatulic: @Hu12: ping. Jackmcbarn (talk) 17:54, 28 September 2013 (UTC) Looking at that site, it doesn't look like something Wikipedia should link to, because the site's only purpose appears to be promotional. I'd say Defer to Whitelist to request white-listing of any specific page, although in browsing the site, I can't see any that could legitimately be used as a reference or even an external link. The tables shown in Sunday Times Fast Track 100 are linkfarms violating WP:NOTDIR, the external link columns really need to go. ~Amatulić (talk) 03:57, 29 September 2013 (UTC) Fair point. I've removed the external links. – PartTimeGnome (talk | contribs) 22:12, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

We came across this, we just wondered if Staysure will remain black listed?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.219.175 (talk) 16:23, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

You quote an archived discussion at MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist/archives/November 2013#.22.5Cbstay.5B.5Cw-.5D.2A.5C.co.5C.uk.5Cb.22_false_positive. If you want to make a new request then the place is MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist#Proposed removals or MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:37, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

File: Sarah Moore Grimke.jpg

There is only one image of Sarah Moore Grimke, used in various places in Wikipedia, as listed. This image is a piece of art (an engraving) that is not very high quality. Wikipedia should also provide a photograph, which is available online. And the photograph should be the main image of Sarah Moore Grimke that is used. How do I do this? 16:47, 6 January 2014 (UTC)~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lwk998 (talk • contribs)

If you can find a photograph it should be in the public domain. Uploading is easy, although some find it tricky the first time. It is easier and better to upload to Commons, at the Upload Wizard. If you find a photo, and have trouble uploading, let us know and we can help.--S Philbrick(Talk) 17:24, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

EPHEMERAL shortcut

Hi friends, need a little help figuring out this semi-technical edit. WP:Ephemeral (mixed-case) redirects to Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers#Statements_likely_to_become_outdated. No problem there. But I'd like to be able to use [[WP:EPHEMERAL]] (all caps) as a shortcut to the same place. Do I need to: 1) move the redirect from WP:Ephemeral --> WP:EPHEMERAL? 2) Create a new article EPHEMERAL redirected to the same place? Or 3) is there a better way to go about this? Currently the all-caps version WP:EPHEMERAL is redlinking. Thanks, y'all. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:18, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

I think the best way here is to create a new redir that points to the same target. Then either will work. DES ^(talk) 18:25, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

@DESiegel: Okeedokes, done! Thanks for the assist. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:49, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Overlink bot?

Is there a bot or something which helps deal with wp:overlink? There is a set of tables with (presumably) 1500+ entries, and some editors have linked every instance of towns, etc. ~E:71.20.250.51 (talk) 18:20, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

The problem may be that WP:Overlink is extremely unclear: "Generally, a link should appear only once in an article, but if helpful for readers, links may be repeated in infoboxes, tables ..."
I've had arguments/discussions before about what "repeated" means - does it mean repeated only once? or repeated whenever it occurs in a table?
One opinion was the link should only be used the first time it occurs in a table, but with a sortable table, which is the first time? Arjayay (talk) 18:36, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

The tables start off okay, presumably done by the original creator(s); but further down [mostly in the 3rd-class section] you see the same town, or whatever, with *many*, often consecutive entries linked. (see my set of tables link, above) — My take on the quote from WP:overlink is that its okay for (one link in lead) + (one link in infobox) + (one link in table) + (one link per heading), etc. Anyway... no bot? ~E:71.20.250.51 (talk) 19:48, 6 January 2014 (UTC):modified:20:00, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Arjayay hits the nail on the head: with a sortable table, we can't say what the first time will be. This is the kind of situation in which WP:OVERLINK isn't very relevant, and it definitely needs some sort of human decision-making; a bot would not be at all helpful here, since it would either produce tons of false positives or miss tons of things that it should have caught. Nyttend (talk) 20:50, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

I agree. And someone consulting that table is anyway more likely to be looking for an ancestor or other person of interest rather than reading it from start to finish. So it is helpful to have all the town names wikilinked. Maproom (talk) 23:04, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Merge talk page of reverted move without discussion

The talk page of Oral gospel tradition (now a redirect) needs to be merged back to the original talk page at Oral gospel traditions. This will probably require some admin help. Thanks. Ignocrates (talk) 18:24, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Please disregard this request. It looks like Talk:Oral gospel tradition was deleted rather than merged. Unfortunately, that caused a loss of some talk page content. Ignocrates (talk) 18:32, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Ignocrates, no page has ever existed at Talk:Oral gospel tradition (unless developers or oversighters are playing tricks on us), since there are no deleted edits or log entries for that title. Nyttend (talk) 20:47, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I made a spelling mistake. The talk page is at Talk:Oral Gospel tradition. The page has been changed to a redirect, but there is talk page history which should be merged. Ignocrates (talk) 23:51, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Did I resubmit my article incorrectly?

I made the requested changes to my entry for "Active Pen," but I have no idea whether I actually 'resubmitted' it or not. Could somebody please let me know?

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Active Pen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prusionf (talk • contribs) 18:48, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

hey I am Nechlison , do work on it and put more reliable sources to your article and then submit it for review. if you have any further question, leave me your message on my talk page. thanks Nechlison (talk) 19:15, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

@Prusionf: Hi, I don't see your article in the pending submissions. I believe an IP editor blanked the section and may not have clicked resubmit. Whatevs. I've restored the AfC decline header on the article in case you'd like to resubmit. I've made some changes to the article a la adding proper sub-sections, cleaning up your references, etc. If you can find any other reliable sources to bolster the article, I'd highly encourage that. I'm not sure if a dissertation and a blog are going to be the strongest examples of reliable sources. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:39, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Prusion, based on your request, I resubmitted it. You're welcome to un-submit it if you want (go to this link and click the "save page" button), or you can leave it as is. Please note that a masters' thesis from a major university (and Caltech is major), like a doctoral dissertation from a major university, can be presumed to be reliable if it's approved by the student's committee — it's been peer-reviewed and sustained by experts in the field. Nyttend (talk) 23:19, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Semiprotection question

So I just semiprotected 2013 after seeing a request at RFPP — vandalism led me to add two weeks of semiprotection to this page, which previously had no edit protection but was fully move-protected. I can't remember: when the two weeks expire, will the move protection be affected? Nyttend (talk) 20:44, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Nope. As you can see in the log, there's separate end times for edit protection and move protection: [edit=autoconfirmed] (expires 20:32, 20 January 2014 (UTC))‎[move=sysop] (indefinite). The semiprotection should expire without affecting the move protection. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 20:47, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

I don't know if my proposed page has been submitted.

Hi, I've created a page Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Toward a Science of Consciousness using the wizard. At the top of the page is a large box saying that it has not been submitted. At the bottom of the page is a large box saying the opposite! I'm confused - has it been submitted or not? If not, could you submit it for me? Thanks (Peter Ells (talk) 21:28, 6 January 2014 (UTC))

I just clicked the buttons to submit it, and a new bottom box (just like yours) appeared without the top box changing. I've undone my edit, since having two boxes won't help: it's clear to me that you successfully submitted it. Looks to me as if the big box at the top always says what it does; it doesn't change depending on whether the page has been submitted or not. Nyttend (talk) 21:33, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks - it's highly confusing though!! (Peter Ells (talk) 21:37, 6 January 2014 (UTC))

Although it's in the queue, it is likely to be rejected without more references from reliable sources to demonstrate the subject's notability. Wikipedia search hits are of no use in that regard.--ukexpat (talk) 22:04, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

The two boxes are an ongoing issue due to a hack we use over at AFC(it makes a new section). Hopefully, if we can get extentions etc. approved, we can sort this out eventually. A bot goes through and sorts them all out eventually anyway. --Mdann52talk to me! 11:06, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

editing page monkey bar

Hi I am the artist that painted the monkeys in 1985 and 1995, and the information on the site was wrong. I have corrected some of it. You can go to Murals of New York City by Glenn Palmer-smith…..and also dianevoyentziemonkeys.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dianevoy (talk • contribs) 22:34, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Is this question about a Wikipedia article? and if so, which one? It seems not to be about monkey bar, which is a redirect to jungle gym. Maproom (talk) 22:56, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

We have millions of articles including more than a hundred containing the string "monkey bar". You made it challenging but I have figured out it must be about the article Hotel Elysee. It was edited today by an unregistered user. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:24, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

January 7

How can I add a new word and definition to wikipedia

I have coined a new word and would like to put it on Wikipedia, along with i'ts definition. How can I do this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caroleaudrey (talk • contribs) 00:22, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

The short answer is that you shouldn't do that. We have a content guideline WP:MADEUP which says: "Wikipedia is not for things that you and/or your friends made up. If you have invented something in school, in your university lab, your garage, or the pub, and it has not yet been featured in reliable sources, please do not write about it in Wikipedia. Write about it on your own website or blog instead. If you do, don't try to write an article based on your or your friend's website."

If reliable sources (not blogs or websites that you create, but mainstream newspapers and so on) covered the word you made up, then it would be a different story, but that's unlikely to be the case and therefore any article about the word you've made up would be quickly deleted. See WP:A11. Valenciano (talk) 00:28, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

(e/c) Hi Carol. You cannot. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, a compendium of knowledge and so it is for topics that reliable sources such as books, newspapers and magazines have already written about in detail. It should never be used to announce new things not already written about by such reliable sources. A word you coined is thus highly unsuited for an entry here. Please see also Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought, Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not for things made up one day and WP:NEO. Thanks.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:31, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

@Caroleaudrey: As the two editors above me has explained, you can't. Maybe consider an alternative outlet such as http://www.urbandictionary.com/. benzband (talk) 00:39, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Poser Holocaust

Reference help requested. on the Poser Holocaust I added the source but it looks like It got messed up can you fix it please Thanks, Drayke Quinn (talk) 01:17, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

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It helps if you provide a link to the article that you'd like help with. It just makes less work for those trying to help you. The article is at Poser Holocaust.

And I've fixed your reference issue here. You may want to take future articles through the WP:AFC process to get feedback before posting an article that is likely to be deleted. Best of luck, Dismas|^(talk) 01:33, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

How to replace an existing photo in a page.

Hi,

I'm currently reviewing our page in your website. Unfortunately, I've been trying to edit the photo uploaded since its no longer updated. I tried creating an account but after which it still didn't give me the access to do so. Thank you and looking forward to your feedback. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.177.169.234 (talk) 03:34, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

I think this must be about Bank of Commerce. Maproom (talk) 05:34, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Do you mean File:Bank of Commerce Logo.png? It looks to me like the logo http://www.bankcom.com.ph/img/boc_bnr.png currently displayed at the official website http://www.bankcom.com.ph/main.php. If you mean File:Iba,Zambalesjf9416 07.JPG then you can upload a new photo with another name and then change the file name in the article. There is no need to delete the old file completely.

Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:00, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Audio pronouncing of words to help kids read or learn new words; do you have such a feature?

Audio pronouncing of words to help kids read or learn new words; do you have such a feature?99.224.84.172 (talk) 06:12, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

In general, no. Such a feature might be appropriate in a dictionary; less so in an encyclopedia. Particularly as English is pronounced in different ways around the world. Maproom (talk) 09:42, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia's "sister project" Wiktionary has audio pronunciations of many words. Those could be helpful. --Anon126 (talk - contribs) 00:39, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

How to create a your own page on a topic?

I really want to make my own page on wikipedia but dont know how to. can u pls help me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kunlu005 (talk • contribs) 06:46, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

The page you need is Wikipedia:Your first article. But the page you created after posting here, Aastha Mohapatra, is very unlikely to be accepted in its current form. Blogs are not good enough reliable sources to show that a person is notable, and the third link in the "References" section leads to a page that does not mention Mohapatra anywhere. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:00, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Nizamuddin Station

We are senior citizrnx and are trying to take a train to Chennai from Nizamuddin Station in New Delhi. Train leaves from platform No.3. We cannot claim the stairs. Is there a lift or any other facility available to reach platform No.3

Srinivasan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.59.78.153 (talk) 07:06, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

I think you should try to contact the station directly. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.Template:Z25 -- John of Reading (talk) 07:54, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Trouble referencing a url

I'm trying to reference information for a wiki article I'm trying to write about Oklahoma Employees Credit Union. I found the information I need on the National Credit Union Association's website under the search but it wont give me a direct url to the information.

To see what I'm talking about, go to:

1. http://researchcu.ncua.gov/Views/creditUnionInfo.aspx 2. Type in "Oklahoma Employees."

It leads me to the information I need but I can't directly link to it.

Also, am I correct that this is a credible source? It's not a blog, a private webpage, but it's not a news article either. It's a government page.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MikeLHoang (talk • contribs) 09:29, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

http://researchcu.ncua.gov/Views/creditUnionInfo.aspx redirects to http://researchcu.ncua.gov/Views/FindCreditUnions.aspx when you haven't cached a search result, so the url should be the latter. Otherwise a user with another credit union cached would see that union without being redirected to the search form. The search result says Charter Number: 65032. This is apparently the official identifier of a specific credit union so I would use that instead of a name search which might return 0, 1 or more results in the future. It's also at top of the form with a Find button right next to it. Here is a possible way to cite it with the at parameter at Template:Cite web#In-source locations: Information to be cited.

PrimeHunter (talk) 13:40, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

The source seems OK to use to source basic information on Oklahoma Employees Credit Union. I suggest using the website to source basic information only if you can't find independent, Wikipedia reliable sources to support that same information. For example, I would use this source to support the 1954 date of the credit union over the National Credit Union Association's website's "Year Chartered: 1954". -- Jreferee (talk) 15:14, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Regarding the page : Birla Institute of Technology and Science, Pilani – Goa Campus

Birla Institute of Technology and Science, Pilani – Goa Campus (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Dear Fellow Wikipedia users,

Being an alumni, its quite unfortunate/embarrassing to see "This article appears to be written like an advertisement". I do agree that the article seems to have been written by an undergraduate freshman of the institute looking for external gratification.

That being said, the institute is indeed one of the finest in the country. I have made the necessary changes and have removed external links (username: MilindKPZ). I believe that the article seems alright now. I would be happy to make further changes, in case you feel otherwise.

I have raised a similar concern on the article talk page. Unfortunately, it has remained unnoticed.

I hope that you remove the banner “This article… advertisement”.

Yours sincerely MilindKPZ (talk) 10:49, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

PS: I have also sent an email to info-en-q <at> wikimedia.org before realising that there is a dedicated help page for it. I apologise for the duplication.

Maintenance tags are not removed automatically, they require human review. I have removed the tag but IMHO the tone of the article still needs work.--ukexpat (talk) 13:44, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

I've reviewed and added some more External links to make it better Nechlison (talk) 14:57, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

And I moved your Wikilink to a new See also section and reformatted The Times of India link.--ukexpat (talk) 17:16, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

DH SMITH - WRESTLER

Hi, Please could you tell me how to link Davey Boy Smith Jr's official website www.officialdbsmithjr.com to this Wikipedia page David Hart Smith — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nat.s.e.wood (talk • contribs) 11:28, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

I've added it under External Links Rojomoke (talk) 13:10, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Page Name Edit

Hi all,

The page Tsogo sun incorrectly has a lowercase 's' on the word 'sun' where it actually need to be upper case. Is there any way of editing this?

KLMuller (talk) 12:57, 7 January 2014 (UTC) Karen

I've moved it to Tsogo Sun. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 13:03, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Where/how does one suggest a page be protected or semi-protected?

Other than a quick read yesterday I have no interest/involvement with this page (John Hope (educator)). However, I noticed some dates recently changed to obviously incorrect dates by an anon user. Looking at the "talk" page shows that this has been a pattern.

I "undid" some recently changed dates on this page but I would like to know the proper place to suggest/request some sort of protection. Arbalest Mike (talk) 15:33, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for page protection, but John Hope (educator) has only been vandalized twice since March (counting consecutive same-IP edits as one) so a request may be declined. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:40, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

entry for "Paul Wonnacott"

Would it be possible to 1. Remove the preliminary draft which has "Nellie 14" in the title. It shows up when people "Google" Paul Wonnacott. 2. Move up the main entry for "Paul Wonnacott" so that it appears first, at the top of the page, when you "Google" his name.Nellie14 (talk) 16:10, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you.

P. S. I find Wikipedia very useful.

Nellie14 (talk) 16:10, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Nellie, the "Nellie14" article on Wonnacott appears to be in your own userspace, so you are free to delete that by clicking EDIT at the top of that page and deleting the text! :) Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:36, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Re 2: There is the nothing that we can do about the Google page ranking, nor should we if we could -- this is an encyclopedia not a Google popularity contest.--ukexpat (talk) 17:10, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Now that the NOINDEX "Magic word" has been added to the userspace draft, Google will no longer find it, but it may take some time before it drops it from its results. We have no control over what Google returns. You might want to move that page to User:Nellie14/Paul Wonnacott, or it can be deleted if you are done with it. To have it deleted by an admin simply add {{db-u1}} anywhere on the page, the top is good. DES ^(talk) 17:12, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

No need to move the draft anywhere as the article now exists at Paul Wonnacott, so the best thing to do is just blank the user page.--ukexpat (talk) 17:21, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

How to find out which edits have been deleted.

Hello I want to find out which of my past edits have been deleted but do not want to add every page that I contribute to my watchlist. What should I do? With edit count I can only know my edit count and deleted edits count but not which of my edits were deleted. Mr RD (talk) 17:52, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

There is a special page which lists deleted contributions for a given user (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:DeletedContributions/Mr_RD in your case) but I believe that only admins can view such pages. What is your specific purpose, Mr RD? Perhaps someone can suggest a way to achieve it. DES ^(talk) 18:01, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the information, but it is for admins only. I was asking about it as some people delete most of my edits. Mr RD (talk) 18:37, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

There is a difference between edits being deleted (which happens when the page you edited has been deleted entirely by an administrator, as with Khon Kaen MICE Tourism for example), and edits being altered by another editor after you have made them (either by using "undo", rollback or other similar tools, or by simply editing the section again). A list of the former edits is generated - for admins only - at Special:DeletedContributions/Mr_RD. As for the second, no list is generated but you can set your notification preferences to be notified if an edit of yours is changed using "undo" or rollback. Bencherlite^Talk 18:48, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

If you keep a list of links to pages you have created or significantly edited, perhaps on your user page or a sub-page in your userspace, you will be able to see if any become "redlinks", a sign that they have been deleted. Clicking on such a link will show the deletion log indicating who deleted it and why. In the case of Khon Kaen MICE Tourism, see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khon Kaen MICE Tourism, where I notice you commented, so you were aware of the suggestion that the article (and several related articles) be deleted. DES ^(talk)

On that note do you think I should file for a review? I know some of the content might appear to be advertised in those articles and I wanted to remove that but I wanted to keep the article. All of my created articles were proposed to deletion by two guys on name of WP:NPOV without even trying to edit or remove any such content which appeared to be unnecessary. What should I do?Mr RD (talk) 20:19, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi, random editor lurking here. If you want other editors to help, you really need to lay out some specifics. Which articles do you think were incorrectly deleted? What was the content in dispute? Have you tried contacting the editors who filed the deletions? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:03, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Based on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khon Kaen MICE Tourism, I would suggest perhaps getting a mentor to help you understand what is appropriate for editing at Wikipedia rather than promotional writing. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 03:14, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Inaccurate Business Information - Loughborough Town Hall Theatre, Venue and Art Gallery

Dear Sir/Madam,

I've recently been informed by a colleague that the link below contains inaccurate information about our business. Loughborough Town Hall is a theatre venue, part of Charnwood Borough Council, which has featured an Art Gallery since April 2011. Please can you re-word the paragraph that states:-

"... Although it has no dedicated art gallery, fine pieces of sculpture can be found in the town's environs, including the ‘Sock Man’, a bronze statue celebrating Loughborough's association with the hosiery industry."

Here is the link - Loughborough.

I don't mind how it's re-worded, but the facts are:- Loughborough Town Hall opened its Art Gallery, called 'Sock Gallery', in April 2011 and features a full programme of exhibitions throughout the year, including an annual Open Exhibition. There is also a range of quality handmade British craft available for purchase.

With many thanks,

Amy Kerrigan Sock Gallery Manager [Phone # redacted] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.192.13.215 (talk) 18:17, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

While your request is clear (thanks) none of the current sources cited in the article mentions the gallery. Could you please provide a citation to one or more reliable sources for this information? And by the way the sources for the Loughborough Town Hall articel are very thin, and I am not at all sure that it is notable in the Wikipedia sense. Do you have any sources for that page? DES ^(talk) 18:46, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Etain

Hello I clarified a statement from the Etain article and it was deleted. Since I was only explaining how she had two fathers and that there was no confusion in the story only the article, I am now concerned people are going to come away with misconceptions about the tale. She was a sidhe who had a sidhe father. She was turned into a butterfly and swallowed by a mortal. She was born to a mortal. The source is the Tochmark etain. If the original story is not a reliable source then what can I say? I have no other source to give than the correctly written account of the story. The author of the article was wrong about the heroine. She was a magical being who became mortal. All of the major action occurred while she was sidhe.

All of this comes from the Tochmark Etain. Since the article has errors and clarification is now out of the question. I do not know what I can do to make it more reliable.

I am also upset that the Marwari article is blantantly inaccurate and I am unable to correct it. I have assured the Indigienious Horse Society of India that I will continue working to get a correct history and information (Including recent scientific data) out there so people will know the truth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bedb (talk • contribs) 22:08, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Your edit was reverted in this edit by Materialscientist (a long established editor here). No reason was given for the revert. I suggest that in accord with the bold, revert, discuss pattern, you post on Talk:Étaín, explaining why you think your edit should be reinstated. You may need to cite passages from the original, or better, secondary critical analyses of it that interpret its meaning. Nothing should be "out of the question" -- any article can be altered to conform with sources and be improved. Citing reliable sources is often the key. Discussing matters on the article talk page is often helpful. DES ^(talk) 22:28, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Entry for the film LADY KILLERS

Jack Warner for film LADY KILLERS Is the wrong JACK WARNER prefix:Talk:Main Page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.192.189.206 (talk) 22:50, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

If you're referring to the article The Ladykillers, every instance of the name Jack Warner in it appears to be correctly linked to Jack Warner (actor). I can't find any instances elsewhere where the actor's name is mislinked in the context of that film; if you've found one, you'll have to explain where it is. Deor (talk) 00:44, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Which page are you posting about? It isn't mentioned in Talk:Main Page, and The Ladykillers correctly says "Jack Warner" with a link to Jack Warner (actor) all three times. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:49, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

How Do I Edit Page Name?

I need to change the name on Olivermcmillan. Currently it reads, "Olivermcmillan" but it should read "OliverMcMillan". How can that be changed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kennymoore123 (talk • contribs) 23:35, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

This is done by moving the page. Confirmed or autoconfirmed users can use the move function. I don't think you are autoconfirmed yet, so i will look into this. DES ^(talk) 23:38, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

 Done I have moved the page as requested. However the article appears to be rather overwritten and more than a bit promotional in tone. I will be cutting it down significantly. DES ^(talk) 23:44, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

January 8

How to retrieve an article from the review queue

Resolved

 – Wollygobble (talk) 01:22, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

I have been told that, as a registered user, I can create a new article in my userspace and move it into the mainspace myself without the need for a review. However, on completing the article I was led astray by a link in the userspace draft template and have now requested a review by mistake. The page has now been moved to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/W. Alexander & Sons. I can probably move it myself, but I suspect that will leave a redirect behind so the article will remain in the review queue. What to do please? Wollygobble (talk) 00:16, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

You can move and check the "do not leave a redirect" box, and after the move delete all the AfC templates, or I will do it for you if you like. However, as it stands that article is rather promotional in tone and inconsistent in citation formatting. It probably won't be deleted, but it may face some harsh editing. You might want to clean it up before moving. But you may do as you wish. DES ^(talk) 00:24, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

It's only administrators who can choose "do not leave a redirect" (it actually says "Leave a redirect behind" with a default checkmark they can remove). PrimeHunter (talk) 00:30, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

I didn't realize that only admins had that permission. Well, the user can move and tag the redir for deletion with {{db-author}}, or ask me or another admin to move. Or wait, it is the user's choice. DES ^(talk) 00:33, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you DES. Could you do it for me please? And I don't mind "harsh editing". It's a good way of learning.Wollygobble (talk) 00:38, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

 Done Now at W. Alexander & Sons. DES ^(talk) 00:56, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Most References?

Resolved

Is there a way to find the articles with the most references? (yes, I know that could be counted with multiple entries using the same namedref as 1 or many, don't care). I'm also fine on whether this is a continually updated list or whether it is a weekly generated list. Also, does the Wikipedia software have a maximum number of references allowed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naraht (talk • contribs)

Wikipedia:Articles with the most references is manually edited and probably missing a lot. I don't know an automated list. As far as I know there is no limit on the number of references, but there are other limits like total page size so that causes a limit in practice. I have just done a preview test with 6000 minimal <ref>X</ref> followed by <references/>. That worked fine, but I don't recommend using server resources to test further for a limit. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:09, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

A while back the lists List of hard rock musicians (A–M) and List of hard rock musicians (N–Z) were just one list. I had to split it in two because it was not loading for some users depending on their browser. It was just too large for some systems to even load due to the large number of references and templates. Dismas|^(talk) 01:56, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

That would be because of the number citation templates hit the template limits. This should not be a problem now that most have be updated to use Lua modules. --  Gadget850 ^talk 14:35, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank You to both of you. the article at the top of Wikipedia:Articles with the most references has a page with over 1100 references, so I'm not concerned about pure numbers in adding references to an article.Naraht (talk) 13:00, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Patrolled page

I clicked 'Mark as patrolled' because I was curious what type of page it would take me to and I accidently marked Talk:Google Feedback as patrolled because I assumed marking as patrolled was a more than 1-step process. Can somebody unmark it as such? Blackbombchu (talk) 01:32, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

No worries - There is no reason why the talk page should not be marked "patrolled". -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 01:58, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

and, if instead of the talk page you linked, you had marked the article page as reviewed, that is also OK - someone has reviewed it (and sent it to AfD). -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 02:44, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

The Inflated Sales of the K-POP Groups in the Best-Selling Boy/Girl Groups Pages

Most of the people know that the era of digital singles came in the 21st century with the invention of iTunes, and other audio programs. However, the K-POP groups that are listed in the BEST-SELLING BOY/GIRLS GROUPS pages are a total bogus, in that, their digital sales which cost about 30 cents are included as a part of their PHYSICAL SALES whereas groups like Backstreet Boys have truly sold their PHYSICAL SINGLES, AND ALBUMS (which does not include the cheap digital sales). I personally believe that there should be an another page for the digital sales. It is not fair for the artists that have actually earned their PHYSICAL SALES to be compared with the groups that are primarily supported by the DIGITAL SINGLE SALES. Not hating on the K-POP groups, but I believe their digital sales does not apply in the page where the other groups have their PHYSICAL SALES ONLY which cost A LOT more than the digital sales. I tried to edit out the K-POP groups, but a group of 2 people have constantly undone my edits with the article of proofs that show nothing about how them achieving these certain physical sales. Please fix them if you can. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Theallpops (talk • contribs) 01:56, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

@Theallpops: Hi, though I am a little confused about what your request is, it seems that you are proposing a global change on how sales are reported in Wikipedia articles. This is definitely beyond the scope of the Wikipedia Help Desk, which exists to help users with issues related to general editing. If you want to affect change, you might start by contacting the various WikiProjects related to your field of interest. I'm not sure where the best place to start would be--maybe at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music, who might be able to direct you to a more specific genre? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:58, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Freddie and the Dreamers

Hi

I am an ex member of Freddie and the Dreamers and although my name appears on the list of later members, it has been moitted from the legacy section of the article where the past members's names are more prominent. I would like to know how this can be resolved.

Thanks

Andy Wells — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.122.12.206 (talk) 11:38, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

The best place to discuss this is the article's talk page: Talk:Freddie and the Dreamers. Maproom (talk) 13:18, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

 Done — I went ahead and added your name to the list in 'Legacy' section, since it is in the Infobox list. (You could have done this yourself; see: WP:Be bold) —Note however, this section is lacking reliable sources. ~E:71.20.250.51 (talk) 15:02, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Whitby Gazette Newspapers

Hello

I work for the Whitby Gazette and the information that you have is not quite right, the first paper was not published on 6th January that year but the 6th of July. Please can we get this rectified.

The editor of the paper Mr Ed Asquith can be contacted should you want to double check this information on [redacted].

Many thanks

Sarah Harrison Johnston Press Yorkshire Ltd

[phone # redacted] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.59.102.211 (talk) 12:15, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

I've made the change.

There are no sources either way to support January or July, but in this case I don't think it matters. Incidentally, I believe 01723 to be a Scarborough number, not Whitby, and the number doesn't correspond to those on the Gazette contact page. If it's a personal number, I'd consider its removal. Chaheel Riens (talk) 13:14, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Number gone already I see. Chaheel Riens (talk) 13:15, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Making collapsible table hidden when page is opened

How to make collapsible table hidden when the page is opened? You can see my table here: User:Pek/sandbox Yours sincerely. --Pek (talk) 14:27, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

 Done Use class="wikitable collapsible collapsed". --Mdann52talk to me! 14:30, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for helping. You did exactly what I needed. --Pek (talk) 14:36, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Guilt

Only place I can make a comment on how grateful I am to the people of Wikapedia. I'm just sorry we cannot donate any money. We had to file bankruptcy and we only have SS for an income. Thank you, Glen and Sue — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.70.136.105 (talk) 14:34, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your thoughtful words. If you can contribute time, we could always use volunteers! :) Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:24, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

editing page

i just change the page http://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A6%AC%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%82%E0%A6%B2%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%A6%E0%A7%87%E0%A6%B6_%E0%A6%9B%E0%A6%BE%E0%A6%A4%E0%A7%8D%E0%A6%B0_%E0%A6%87%E0%A6%89%E0%A6%A8%E0%A6%BF%E0%A6%AF%E0%A6%BC%E0%A6%A8

but the changes are removed after a while. i have an account and used the button "save changes". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.18.230.34 (talk) 14:36, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm afraid we don't have any control over what happens on the Bengali Wikipedia - you would have to discuss this there. en-wiki and bn-wiki are separate projects. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:38, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Add A Novel Series to Wikipedia?

Hi,

I just wrote my first novel and the second is coming out soon. Both are available on Amazon. I would like to create a page about the novels and the world I created. But when I submitted an article it was rejected for not having a source to cite.

Any suggestions on how to create the page and have it accepted would be gratefully appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Here is the declined article page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Wasteland_Rules_(Book_Series)

J.G. Martin — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jefmart1975 (talk • contribs) 14:37, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

You'll need to provide sources that show your works meet the inclusion criteria for books - this usually means that you'll need to cite multiple reviews in major publications (e.g. nationally-circulated newspapers or literary magazines), although if the books have had a significant impact and have been written about from that perspective, sources showing that would also suffice. To the best of my knowledge, however, no article about a book published through CreateSpace has ever been retained on Wikipedia. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:44, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia in course

Hi:

I'm wiki user cebarnes406. I'm a teacher at Univ. of Tenn., Knoxville. I'm trying to use Wiki in my course. I am stuck at the wiki institution and course pages. I am not able to add my institution to the list nor am I able to create my course to get my students started. I went through the instructor tutorial and there was a message at one point that I would not be able to add my institution unless ????? but I cannot find this message anymore.

I'm stuck. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Cebarnes406 (talk) 14:39, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

I see you have a support response at Wikipedia:Education noticeboard. What pages exactly are you stuck at, Cebarnes406. What are you trying to do, specifically, that you are finding troublesome? I will be glad to attempt to help. DES ^(talk) 15:05, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

I just wrote you a more detailed explanation of my problems but did not notice I was not logged in. I am not sure you received this. Let me know either way. Cebarnes406 (talk) 15:28, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

I am seeing this response, Cebarnes406, but not any other response you may have made. Where did you make it? You can post at User talk:DESiegel if you want to reach out to me specifically, or here if you want any help desk volunteer to perhaps respond. DES ^(talk) 16:51, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Information Section

Ursuline Academy (Delaware)- On the quick section on the right side (Information), I am only able to show a couple of our leaders. How can I make our two principals visible. I know it is something on the back end. Thank you for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uacommunications (talk • contribs) 15:01, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

The infobox at the right of Ursuline Academy (Delaware) is already rather long. Such boxs are intended only as a quick summary of the essential facts of an article. Additional information should be put into prose in the body of the article. Besides, as per WP:NOT, Wikipedia is not a directory. Not every official of an organization should be listed.

Also, if you are, as your commetn abov and your user name imply, an employee or associate of this institution, you have a conflict of interest and should not edit the article directly. Moreover, Wikipedia does not allow shared usernames or "role accounts". Each account should belong to a specific individual, not an office or position. "Uacommunications" rather implies otherwise. DES ^(talk) 15:11, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

How to be the only Editor for a Page

Hello, I would like to know how to put privacy/controls on who can edit a page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by WbPadlocks (talk • contribs) 15:12, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Quite simply: you can't. Wikipedia is the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit; we don't lock pages so that only a single user has access. Administrators can protect pages under certain circumstances, but I don't think that's what you're asking about. Yunshui 雲‍水 15:14, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

... and this is explained in our policy on ownership of articles. Gandalf61 (talk) 15:17, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Snap-on Tools

I have worked for Snap-on Tools in many capacities for @ 22 years. I have read the information that is posted on the company, and found it to be inaccurate. I registered with you, went back to the Snap-on article , and edited out the inaccuracies. However, within 24 hours, the old inaccurate information returns- what is going on here? For example, the company was formed in 1920 in Milwaukee, Wi. and the first mfg plant was started there, not in Johnson City Tennessee. Snap-on Tools Corporation has had it's world headquarters and plant in Kenosha, Wisconsin since 1930. Snap-on opened 2 small plants in Johnson City and Elizabethton, Tn. in the late 1970's or early 1980's. Ironically, these plants proved to be problematic for the company because of employee problems and quality issues. Who ever keep putting Johnson City up as the first mfg. plant does not know what they are talking about- corporate records would support my claim. Also, the explanation of the Blue Point trade name is completely wrong, and I have taken the time to write a factual objective article only to come back a day later to see it has been removed, and replaced by a few sentences by someone that knows nothing about the Snap-on Tools Corporation. These 'Snap-on Experts' pop up from time to time. Ironically, I was usually one of the guys sent directed by the Corporation to correct the false information, or supply the facts to the corporate communications people. I do not know what the issues are here. I have clicked on the submit icon, and received an acknowledgement and a thank you from your organization for taking the time to contribute. Then the next day, some of it is removed and changed- but not all of it. Very strange. Anyway, please look into this purplexing matter. ThanksJwgears (talk) 15:18, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

The talk page for the article would be the best place to discuss this. If you have sources for your facts you can list there, then you should be able to convince people to let them stand. StuRat (talk) 15:28, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

The information you provided[3] was not based on Wikipedia reliable sources that are independent of Snap-on Tools. (e.g., sentences you added needed to have a footnote at the end). -- Jreferee (talk) 15:36, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

(Please add info to the Snap-on article): This source notes "They formed Snap-on Wrench Co. in 1920 and moved their operations into a rented building in Milwaukee." -- Jreferee (talk) 15:43, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

a notice from someone claiming to be a "General Council"

and objecting to wikipedia's using their logo appeared here. [4]. I removed the logo, placed a crude warning in the logo spot asking that it not be replaced and will email this Vice President of Enforcement (or something) informing him that we have removed it. However I felt that other folks in wikipedia might want to know about this, since it seemed to be threatening something nasty if we did not comply. I was not sure where to go with it, so came here. Please advise. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 15:26, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

The issue has been raised at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Legal threat. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:25, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

I have restored the logo. The WMF has lawyers to deal with this. Unless they say so, this is a simple case of fair use covered by Wikipedia:Logos. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 16:40, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

help

can you help me please my boss John Stanley has asked me to start a Wiki on him as associates are asking him to. I am his PA/ Researcher and have logged an account for myself today. It says on my email from Wiki to wait 4 days but also says something about +10 edits, what does this mean I only want to add John biog (which I have on a word document here) and some images. I can only communicate through emails as hard of hearing so would appreciate answer through email please. Carol — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carol Godwin (talk • contribs) 16:44, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Carol. Before creating this article you should first read Wikipedia's guidance on Conflict of Interest, which discourages users from creating or editing articles on subjects they know or are being paid by. It's only a discouragement though, and if you really do want to make this article, you are best off starting with the Article Wizard, and creating as a draft article through the Articles for Creation process. This will allow another editor to help you create the article and make sure that it conforms to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Before creating an entry, however, you will need to make sure that John Stanley is covered in multiple reliable sources which are independent of him, as this is an encyclopaedia and we only cover notable topics whose information can be proved to be true. Hope this helps. Samwalton9 (talk) 16:53, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Something else I forgot; the 4 days + 10 edits defines your account as Autoconfirmed, this just allows you to move pages, edit some protected pages, and upload images so you don't need to worry about it. Samwalton9 (talk) 16:58, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Carol. There are certain things you should discuss with your boss before going ahead. The reason you are very strongly discouraged from writing an article about him is that, because of the conflict of interest SamWalton9 refers to, it may prove difficult for you to write from the required neutral point of view. You may have a draft ready of which he approves, but any promotional language or selectively flattering content will be swiftly removed by other people if you are able to demonstrate your boss's notability and an article about him goes live. Is Mr. Stanley aware that, once an article is published here, he will have no control over the content? Any passing user will be able to edit it, adding anything they like as long as it's relevant and properly sourced, and while he can object to edits that break the rules, he will have no general right or ability to return the article to a particular version just because he prefers it. As for the photos, Wikipedia is always glad to receive image donations, but bear in mind that you must own the copyright or provide permission from the copyright holder to donate them, and must license them so that others can reuse and alter them. See Wikipedia:Image tutorial. All answers to your query will be made on this page, although you can request that the discussion be continued on your own talk page. Hope this helps. - Karenjc (talk) 18:43, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Bruno Letort

Born 1963, Vichy, France. Bruno Letort is a prominent figure on the contemporary French music scene. Formally trained in composition and harmony, his work is characterized by a deliberate indifference to sylistic boundaries. His orchestral pieces, his numerous string quartets and a ground-breaking interactive opera are evidence of an open-minded sensibilty as much to the American repetitive movement as to Eastern European tradition or ambient and electronic music. He has composed interactive inter-disciplinary works for stage, film and ballet. An educationalist, artistic director and writer, he has been a producer at France Musique since 1994, where he founded the National Radio label "Signature". As producer, he has collaborated with Pierre Henry, Fred Frith, Hector Zazou, Jean-Luc Godard and Elliott Sharp. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.223.73.145 (talk) 18:00, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

This is the help desk, where you can get answers to questions about using and finding your way around Wikipedia. If you want to create an article, please read Wikipedia:Your first article or visit Wikipedia:Articles for creation. - Karenjc (talk) 18:48, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Edit semi-protected template

I have just changed a URL, as requested at Talk:Mitt Romney because the article is semi-protected. However, the semi-protected template has not "expanded" so there is no "answered = no" parameter to change to "answered = yes" so the request is still in the User:AnomieBOT/SPERTable, and presumably, will remain there. I've tried purging the page, but cannot get the template to expand, or transclude. Is there a way of forcing this? - Arjayay (talk) 19:13, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

The request at Talk:Mitt_Romney#editsemiprotected is marked as answered. Can you clarify your question? Also, I recommend just going to Category:Wikipedia_semi-protected_edit_requests rather than maintining your own table of open requests. RudolfRed (talk) 19:27, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

• This is how you close a request. If the |ans= or |answered= parameter is missing, you simply need to add it inside the template like I did. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 19:33, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) It was marked as answered by Technical 13 in this edit [5] after I had asked the question. I didn't know what I needed to add, as I am used to having the parameter there to change.
As for "maintaining my own table" I would have no idea how to do that, but use AnomieBOT's tables as is recommended at Wikipedia:Edit requests#Monitoring new requests. Arjayay (talk|TB|) 19:43, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Place SVG help request template on image talkpage

Hello. I do not have a vector graphics editor that is able to load File:World_homosexuality_laws.svg. I am skilled in text‐editing SVG files, but this file does not appear to be text‐editable. Is there a template I can place on the file’s talkpage (The file is located on Wikimedia Commons, but its talkpage is located on en.wikipedia.) to request an edit from users, interested in the articles’ WikiProjects, who are able to edit SVG files? Info por favor (talk) 19:40, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

File:World homosexuality laws.svg#filehistory shows it's already edited frequently. Do you really need more image editors? It has a talk page at both the English Wikipedia and commons:File talk:World homosexuality laws.svg. For a file at Commons the discussion logically belongs at Commons and there is much more activity there. I think the editors who posted to the English Wikipedia talk page made a mistake. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:24, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Edit a protected page

Hi there, could someone please make a change to this page [6]. Mid-way down the page, next to "Alternative Methods", there is a link to "Flinfo tool". The link is dead. It seems to have been changed to [7]. Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 20:18, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VF-24

Corrected info on CV-41 page regarding VF-21 shoot down, which should have be VF-24, previous recorded Wiki posting...