User talk:Gerda Arendt

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Welcome!

Hello, Gerda Arendt, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, like Graham Waterhouse, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines for page creation, and may soon be deleted. ... Again, welcome! Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:39, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Go Gerda Girl

You do great work and I love it! Don't let Tony get to you. Ihre Arbeit ist grossartig. Weiter schreiben, eien lange Zeit. PS, I really liked the article about the church the communists blew up. BarkingMoon (talk) 11:50, 19 June 2011 (UTC) Sehr geehrte Gerda, I have a watch on your page since a few weeks ago. I approved and moved 167 to holding for June 24.BarkingMoon (talk) 12:11, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:13, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Keine Problem. Koennen Sie ueberpruefen DYK Noel F. Parrish? Danke. BarkingMoon (talk) 12:14, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Later, yes, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:24, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

See my talk page. Thanks so much! BarkingMoon (talk) 11:13, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

On 30 December 2011 the article became a GA, thanks to Ched, PumpkinSky and MathewTownsend, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:40, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Flowers and sapphires

blushing

Flowers! Wonderful comment For your wonderful comment, cutting right to the heart of the matter! cmadler (talk) 13:18, 21 June 2011 (UTC) For a true gem of a person ... words of reason and trust To quote you: Thank you for speaking up with decency and fairness, treating editors as living people, — Ched :  ?  15:58, 18 February 2012 (UTC) almost forgot one thing The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar For being one of the nicest people I know, on-Wiki or off. 184.59.31.77 (talk) 18:57, 6 February 2012 (UTC) (Khazar) Cherry Impact event barnstar The Cherry Impact Event Award I hereby award Gerda Arendt this Cherry Impact Event Award for the global impact your incredibly delightful sweetness and extraordinary talent brings to all of us! . – Dreadstar † 07:01:00, 4 March 2012 (UTC) Standing Strong When the Ill Winds Blow No Good I saw this image and thought of you and all you've done to help PS and Khazar. You are a bastion of refuge when the storm clouds come in, and I for one would like to thank you. Don't worry about people talking behind your back - as they say, "sticks and stones". Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:13, 6 March 2012 (UTC) uh, a tree for you Tree award? These have to be "awards"? Hi, Gerda. I was editing Desivojca, and it has this nice tree photo from the "Komani neighborhood", so I figured it should be seen more. Enjoy. Alarbus (talk) 15:55, 12 March 2012 (UTC) I do, I love trees! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:59, 12 March 2012 (UTC) A barnstar for you! The Teamwork Barnstar Thank you so much for your help fixing up "Move Like This"! Your kindness and expertise is greatly appreciated! 28bytes (talk) 18:06, 17 March 2012 (UTC) Thank you! My pleasure, for a change: „Keep on Knocking“, „Sad Song“, „Free“, „Drag on Forever“, „Just What I Needed“ - just what I needed, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:26, 17 March 2012 (UTC) The Mandarax Barnstar of Excellence The Mandarax Barnstar of Excellence I am pleased to award this MBE to you in recognition of your outstanding work on Wikipedia. Your numerous DYKs have achieved the noble goal of highlighting culture on the Main Page. Your work with other users is exemplary, and you're one of the nicest Wikipedians, always supporting and encouraging other users. Thanks for all of your superb contributions! MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:14, 28 October 2012 (UTC) Thank you! - I was tempted to say "Blushing", but every time I say so the user is gone a week later, I don't want to miss you also ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:19, 28 October 2012 (UTC) ps: I would like to share this award with my br'er Rabbit, the incarnation of selfless service to this project ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:15, 29 October 2012 (UTC) Your not saying it seems to have worked – it's been a week and I'm still here! I just finished my latest article (my first in a long time). It's about an artist who was born and raised in Germany and was very interested in music. For some reason, that made me think of you.... MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 22:01, 4 November 2012 (UTC) I didn't say it, as much as I was tempted! - Thanks for staying with me, and for the article! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:25, 4 November 2012 (UTC) Knock on wood, as I blushed as well recently ;) Muggeseggele is still facing extinction while the Mans parking was guided so well to DYK by our fairy maiden - Glückauf Serten (talk) 10:23, 12 July 2013 (UTC) You found #1, I blushed three more times, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:25, 12 July 2013 (UTC) First ever Wiki Angel Award The Wiki Angel Award Gerda, es macht mich glücklich, dir den ersten Wiki Angel Award geben. Du bist ein true Wiki Angel und feine Dame.PumpkinSky talk 18:13, 28 April 2013 (UTC) This is awesome ... wish I would have thought of it. :) — Ched :  ?  18:26, 28 April 2013 (UTC) Thank you!!! (blushing again, see above) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:32, 28 April 2013 (UTC) ... I'd make a Wikilove thingy ... ... with a pretty picture, but I'm lazy so instead you'll have to settle for text" Barnstar Hi Gerda, I saw your note on my talk page. Thanks for the kind words, and for being so refreshingly pleasant and un-bitter all the time. An inspiration to us all. I'm sure I'll see you around eventually, but probably won't be for a while yet. Enjoying my time away. Cheers. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:56, 24 June 2013 (UTC) I enjoy refreshing apparitions, also I am in a good mood, after singing Bach for more than two hours, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:08, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

nice edit notice ;)

• http://wikipediocracy.com/2012/10/31/tis-the-season-to-be-banning-at-wikipedia/

• Mads Lange

A Halloween present from Wikipediocracy on my eighth anniversary. Best wishes. Mads Lange (talk) 09:28, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

'tis the season

nice comment, peace maker - I pass free treats today, Reformation, even the Bach cantata got a pumpkin + I like sharing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:32, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

peace GA ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:44, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

I'm not by there very often, but today I saw the recent kerfluffle at AN/I and thought you could use some sweets. Lest you think this is all selfless, though, I brought a second fork. Care to split it? -- Khazar2 (talk) 02:33, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, sweet of you, - I would share with Andy first if his doctors allow. Day by day I hope the thread autoarchives (havn't looked today), - I am sure his doctors allow no stress ;) . Did you see the list of 18 discussions "drowning" a project? - Everybody who takes an unbiased look is welcome to share the baklava! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:58, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Infobox request

Work your magic, if you have a few minutes: A Song for Simeon.--ColonelHenry (talk) 23:55, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

Done. Did you know that Simeon is among my images? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:41, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Infoboxes clarification request archived

Hi Gerda, the infoboxes clarification request in which you were named as a party has been closed and archived. The Committee clarified that acting on behalf of a restricted user to breach a restriction is WP:PROXYING and so is not permitted. For the Arbitration Committee, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:39, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

WP:PROXYING, which is a policy says "Wikipedians in turn are not permitted to post or edit material at the direction of a banned editor (sometimes called proxy editing or proxying) unless they are able to show that the changes are either verifiable or productive and they have independent reasons for making such edits" (my emphasis). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:38, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Jahrhundertring

The DYK project (nominate) 17:17, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Really glad to see this cultural milestone make it into the encyclopedia and onto the front page too. Well done! Whiteghost.ink (talk) 03:19, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, see my memories :) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:51, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

nothing secret here

Hello Gerda, nice to meet you. Are you really the Notorious Infoboxen WikiCriminal that has been terrorizing the music articles?  :-)   As you can see from my first posting on AGK's talkpage, up above the duromac thing, I am *also* a notorious wikiCriminal. Or at least, notoriously silly (AGK blocked me -- then later unblocked me -- when they mistook one of my not-all-that-funny jokes over on the Bishzilla talkpage).

But then I'm a friend of 28bytes, also no real name but heart and reason.

But my actual question for you is this -- I did not really understand your reply to me. (watching) Simply thank you! (I would use the button, but it doesn't work for IP. Also there's nothing secret here.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:06, 13 November 2013 (UTC) Well, okay, I understood the watchlist part, and the thank-you part. You are surely welcome. <bows> But what button and what secret thing are you referring to? I do login as an IP, of course (you can call me 74 if you like), but User_talk:Clover1991 has registered a pseudonym; they are the one submitting the article, not me. Maybe the link to the 'secret' thing in my message was was confusing -- it is just a pokemon character, one of many not-very-notable-toys which has a long article in mainspace, badly in need of cleanup, and short on reliable sources. The pokeman-article is not related to the Duromac thing, directly, I was just using it as a metaphorical example of how wimpy our deletionist-standards are when something is 'popular' to some degree in the english-speaking-world. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 14:05, 13 November 2013 (UTC) 74, nice to meet you! (Feels like Lohengrin, no real name ;) - But then I'm a friend of 28bytes, also no real name but heart and reason.) - First: yes, I am the terrorizing witch, only nobody told me so far what that terror is, I see no evidence, hear only echoes of former wars. You enter a battleground: you are a warrior, - easy. Sparrow Mass: after gracing seven Schubert masses with an infobox I continued with Mozart, interesting story followed ;) - Now to your question: between registered users, there's a function where you simply click a button for an edit and have thanked the editor who made it, and it's more or less secret between the two. Sometimes I use it where I would not do it in public ;) - I wanted to thank you for your diligent research and the way to present it, I watch AGK since this, more recently this, - the former was more fun ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:22, 13 November 2013 (UTC) Appreciate your thank-you, kind and gracious humanoid. 74 does count as a name of sorts; think of it as a jersey number.  :-)   Since I am an outsider, and have only heard rumors of the Dread Infoboxen Wars, you should take my nutshell explanation with a grain of salt...   The story seems to be, that some editors who are very particular about *appearances* (the visual layout of the article and the style of how wikipedia appears to the readership) ended up annoyed at infoboxen *generally* as too data-oriented or too formal or too something, long before your arrival. So, when you came along with your wikithusiasm for spreading tightly-summarized knowledge, these visually-oriented editors mistook your love of the readership, with a crime of passion! <gasp> Personally, I never read the infoboxen, except in articles about chemicals, in which case I often *only* read the infobox-data. There is a new project, called WikiData, that has the potential to satisfy both yourself (e.g. there can be wikidata that the composer was born in YYYY that is easily accessible to readers *without* necessarily changing the page-layout) and the visually-oriented style-conscious editors; it is still in beta phase, and seeing the shape of what it will become is difficult at this point, but I have high hopes.   Anyways, what it boils down to, is an *artistic* argument about aesthetics: does the page LOOK COOLER without the infoboxen, or with the infoboxen? As with any argument about looking fashionable, there is always going to be more heat than light, more noise than signal, and so on. The arbcom decision to make infoboxen illegal, and you a notorious wikiCriminal, was a deeply flawed pragmatically-motivated attempt to keep talkpage decorum, to end the endless aesthetically-motivated edit-wars, and in general decide the fashion-question by fiat. The problem is that they ended up compromising our deepest principle, the encyclopedia anyone can edit, which boils down to Liberty. (The second, unstated, half of the principle was also run over with a tank: Liberty and wikiJustice for all.) You can see the same kind of respect-my-authoritah problems elsewhere, with the ever-growing list of Arbitrarily Enforced Discretionary Sanction topics (which will soon cover half of mainspace), the ever-growing list of semi-protected pages (the encyclopedia only Real Contributors can edit), and in so many other ways. The rising authoritarianism is deadly[1] to wikipedia... growth in active editor-count ceased years ago,[2] and has been steadily declining since. WMF has proven they are unable to help us,[3] so we have to solve this one ourselves.[4] Part of the *motivation* for draconian pragmatic arbcom decisions that violate the-encyclopedia-anyone-can-edit, is purely and simply that no arbcom member, no admin, and few semi-admins-using-twinkle-huggle-stiki-reviewer-rollbacker-etc can spare the time to follow the five pillars. They are busy-busy, rushing from fire to fire, and there are no reinforcements coming, whilst the readership grows and grows and grows.   This busy-busy crap leads to brusqueness, template-spam on user talkpages, ban-hammer first then let somebody else sort out the bodies, and most damagingly to aristocratic cliques and an us-versus-them caste-system wikiCulture. Worst of all, it is a vicious cycle where we shoot ourselves in the foot, every single day: nobody spares the time to be nice to beginners, so they leave, wikipedia is no damn fun. That means we'll *never* get reinforcements, we'll *never* be less busy-busy, we'll *always* suffer from steadily declining WP:RETENTION.   Okay, enough whining: I am quite sure the problems can be fixed. We need to have a vast influx of new blood, and the only way to do that is by making wikipedia fun again. I am forming a not-a-cabal, which will rule the wikiverse with the iron fist of friendlyism, and force wikipedians to enjoy themselves here whether they like it or not. You are cordially invited to join.  :-)   The not-a-cabal runs on a shoestring at the moment, holding brief meetings in the back alleys of the wikiverse on various user-talkpages, plus some of our agents have infiltrated the staid and prestigious halls of the WT:WER... but with any luck soon the not-a-cabal agents (colloquially known as WP:NICE nazis) will be everywhere.   Our goal is simple: steady inexorable growth of editors that contribute at least 5+edits/month, from the current 31k-and-falling figure today, to one million for enWiki. The trick is to make sure they are 99% Good Eggs, which means we have to assume that at least 1% of humanity is basically good -- enWiki has a couple-few hundred million uniques per month in terms of readership, at the moment. My core assertion, and key assumption, is simply that way more than 31k of those people are Real Contributors; if we want them to stay, all we have to do, is simply to keep from driving them away.

We get literally 1000 new editors every month! Problem is, we lose 1050 editors, every month; that *must* stop. Thanks for listening, and thanks for improving wikipedia. p.s. Upgrades,[5] unofficial tutorial,[6] and the 'official' helpdocs,[7] too. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 13:21, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for sharing elucidation! The infobox story goes back to 2005, did you know? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:39, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Infobox

Thank you for your cogent arguments on infoboxes for all biographies, so the "look and feel" of Wikipedia extends to all people. The arguments against them for certain classes of people is just silly. I love the way you have collected their specious arguments. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 23:55, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, it's nice to feel understood ;) - did you vote? - here's another collection of arguments, the candidates speaking for themselves, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:02, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

tale of the ironing lady

Gerda, apropos of Mark Williams-Thomas, why don't you simply add the parameter needs-infobox = yes to the {{WikiProject Biography}} template on the talk page? It will put it directly into a category, where many more editors will see it, and it is more, shall we say, "straightforward" than this sort of tactic. Voceditenore (talk) 19:03, 8 December 2013 (UTC) I tried straightforward, here and here, - and your way might get someone in trouble without a warning, no? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:27, 8 December 2013 (UTC) ps: the most straightforward story of where helping can get you is here, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:07, 8 December 2013 (UTC) Placing an article in Category:Biography articles without infoboxes is not, in my view, requesting proxy editing on your behalf (or more specifically Andy Mabbett's behalf in this case). It is simply stating a fact, "this article has no infobox". Any editor can act on it (or not) without "getting into trouble" after evaluating the article and without reference to the specific editor who added the article to the category. That is much more in keeping with both the spirit and the letter of your ArbCom restriction and subsequent clarification than going to an individual editor's page, giving them a "Precious Award", and then following it up by informing them that you are looking for someone to make a proxy edit for you if they are "unafraid of arbcom sanctions". Voceditenore (talk) 11:41, 9 December 2013 (UTC) Thank you for pointing out the possibility of the talk page request which I didn't know. I would like to use it a lot, but who am I to say "needs an infobox", ever? I was told again and again that it's a content decision by the "principal author". I didn't mark the straightforward approach you mention above as humour, sorry, I thought it was obvious, - my only weapon in the battle against absurdity ;) - Who created Victor Bruns? The one who formatted a machine translation? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:50, 9 December 2013 (UTC) "I would like to use it a lot, but who am I to say 'needs an infobox', ever?" I'm not following your reasoning at all, Gerda. Or perhaps you meant that humourously? Every time you suggest an infobox on an article talk page complete with a fully filled-in model for someone else to add (as you did at Talk:Mark Williams-Thomas, Talk:Grange Court, Talk:Ach wie flüchtig, ach wie nichtig, BWV 26, Talk:Wilfred Byng Kenrick, etc. etc.) you are saying the article needs an infobox. There's no difference between that and simply adding the "needs-infobox" parameter to a project banner instead. As for who created Victor Bruns, it was the person who made the red link turn blue by adding, formatting, and referencing a machine translation of the equivalent German Wikipedia article, i.e. Dr. Blofeld. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 13:39, 9 December 2013 (UTC) No. Possibly I have a language difficulty. "Needs" means - at least for me - a different thing than "I suggest". I believe that every article would we be better with an infobox, but to my (admittedly failing) memory I never said that an article needs one. - Failing memory: I remembered working on the Bruns article so well that I failed to check the history. - I stopped pointing out my restrictions on article talk pages: what would our readers think? - I suggested infoboxes for Andy more than for myself because I believe that his restriction - not to add infoboxes to his own articles as if he was in conflict with himself - is absurd. - On a hike, I thought that humour also helps a bit to cope with loss, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:33, 9 December 2013 (UTC) The clear implication to the reader of someone "suggesting" the addition of an infobox to an article and pasting a complete mock-up of it on the talk page is that in their view the article should have it. Otherwise, why on earth would they suggest one? On the other hand, the needs-infobox = yes parameter actually displays on the talk page as: '"An appropriate infobox may need to be added to this article." [my bolding] There is no essential difference between the two in terms of their implicature or in terms of the speech act they encode, i.e. an indirect request for action. Trust me, I wrote a textbook for beginners on pragmatics . Best, Voceditenore (talk) 18:33, 9 December 2013 (UTC) Voceditenore, thank you for clarifying and teaching! I would not have imagined that a parameter "needs an infobox" would translate to "may need to be added", which is more careful. But it's still not what I would say. No article "needs" an infobox. I show by an infobox on the talk page that in my view an article would be better with one, and I spare another user the time to design it. - I will try your approach on Gabriele Schnaut, but first need to add substance to the article, - and I need to learn this language better ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 11 December 2013 (UTC) Listeners/readers don't simply translate words into their literal meaning when interpreting language and acting on it. They make inferences as to what the speaker/writer intended by their utterance. Scenario: You walk into the kitchen where Signora Voceditenore is doing the weekly ironing. You have a wrinkled shirt in your hand and you'd like her to iron it for you because your landlord has forbidden you to use an iron yourself. You could say any of the following (in descending degrees of politeness/indirectness), but they would all be interpreted by the Signora as you basically requesting her to iron the shirt: I think this shirt would look better if it were ironed. I'm looking for someone to iron this shirt. I suggest ironing this shirt. This shirt needs to be ironed. Iron this shirt! The Signora will do one of two things. She will either iron the shirt or refuse to iron it, but she won't have misinterpreted your intention. There will be several factors which will influence her decision to comply. How you phrased the request is probably the least of them. Signora Voceditenore (talk) 13:15, 11 December 2013 (UTC) Nice scene! I play the role of the Signora now: I would iron the shirt if the request addressed me personally: "Can you please iron this shirt? I would do it myself but I am not allowed to ... You could help me.", and I might be quite deaf to the above ;) - Unfortunately, the parallel doesn't work, because on an article talk, I don't like to talk about my shameful "not allowed" (now it says even "ban"), and I can't address someone personally. When I say "I am looking for someone", I don't mean a specific person. - Please check the singer, there's more now. I will look for better sourcing for the recordings, copied from the Spanish Wikipedia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:51, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again!

Thanks much, Gerda, for the reprise of your award. It's refreshing and encouraging to encounter some kindness amidst the bellicosity, irrationality, and bigotry that I frequently encounter. TimidGuy (talk) 12:02, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Hope is precious and great joy is found in living

Thank you for the sapphire—cornflower blue is a color of some significance to me. In the maelstrom that Wikipedia can sometimes be, remember these words from Ode to Joy:

   Wem der große Wurf gelungen,
   Eines Freundes Freund zu sein,
   Wer ein holdes Weib errungen,
   Mische seinen Jubel ein!
   Ja, wer auch nur eine Seele
   Sein nennt auf dem Erdenrund!
   Und wer's nie gekonnt, der stehle
   Weinend sich aus diesem Bund! 

Walk lightly and remain yourself, above the fray. →StaniStani  09:20, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, it helps to open my shop again. - I sang the words last year, here, helping. The blue colour is also of significance to me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

shop open --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:43, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Yay  :-)     — 74.192.84.101 (talk) 03:16, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Writer's Barnstar
	Your efforts in creating and translating articles, here and elsewhere, is greatly appreciated. Thank you Gerda. Drmies (talk) 20:47, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

Both a flower and a sapphire....

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	Your efforts in creating and translating articles, here and elsewhere, are greatly appreciated. Hafspajen (talk) 20:52, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, both, you excellent writing team, - guess what, I even started attacked a Magnificat today, or should I say four? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:37, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

• Magnificat, Magnificat, Magnificat, anima mea Dominum, Magnificat Magnificat Magnificat anima mea! Hafspajen (talk) 00:53, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

• magnificent, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:56, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	To you, Gerda Arendt, for your unswerving dedication to improving this wonderful free encyclopedia, and for encouraging clear thinking among your fellow editors. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:39, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

"encouraging clear thinking", - I am actually crying now, thank you. - It will go in the selection "blushing", above. I remember winning an argument by "facts and myth", that was two years ago. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:46, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Well, you definitely make me think, and your comments restrain my tendencies to rush to judgment. And restraint is something worthy to be cultivated, don't you think? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:12, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

I keep trying to encourage clear thinking (without having been able to word it that well), - Eric is someone who didn't need that ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:33, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you Gerda for your continued kindness and support. You are a super-duper Wikipedian and I'm proud to be working beside you!

— Keithbob • Talk • 22:04, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

My pleasure! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:34, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

The 100 DYK Nomination Medal

		The One Hundred DYK Nomination Medal
		Gerda, to mark this new milestone. "Light as a flight of tumbling birds was the dipping and soaring of her syllables." Moonraker (talk) 00:06, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations, Gerda! Chris Troutman (talk) 01:36, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

HOORAY! Way to go! Montanabw^(talk) 03:47, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

thank you, in light flight, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:19, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Well done!♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:04, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations. Oh, my gosh. You were really working. I think I am at my 5th... Hafspajen (talk) 12:25, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

I think you read that wrong, it's for nominations for others, something I am really proud of ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:31, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

No, I meant what i said Hafspajen (talk) 12:49, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

You meant you are at your 5th nomination for someone else? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:51, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Cannot find your musician

joy in the effort of awakening

Siegfried blows his horn (1911) by Arthur Rackham, from Siegfried and the Twilight of the Gods by Richard Wagner Dear Gerda. Good morning! Thank you for correcting removing my indent. Re- "- Again a musician who's article I wrote died, see my user page. - " you will have to lead me to the name, please. Much searching to no avail. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 11:00, 5 March 2014 (UTC) Ah, I see, I cleaned my user page for Lent, no cantata music then ;) - and Anna Reynolds came with a Bach cantata, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:13, 5 March 2014 (UTC) Thanks. English and 83. I had been anticipating a younger person. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 11:20, 5 March 2014 (UTC) Some of the others were English and old also, (in the order of creation:) Richard Adeney, Hugh Maguire, Franz Kelch, Franz Lehrndorfer, Alfred Planyavsky, and this is not counting those whom I created because they died, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:15, 5 March 2014 (UTC) Hello Gerda/Gareth. Am unable to find any date for Anna's marriage to Jean Cox. But apparently they met at Bayreuth where they then lived until the end of their lives. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:31, 5 March 2014 (UTC) Good evening Martin Odd that,isn't it? [8] — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 22:59, 6 March 2014 (UTC) ...well, no, that sounds pretty normal for old "Dick the Ring". Martinevans123 (talk) 23:03, 6 March 2014 (UTC) Hmm. Seems we cannot keep one of Hpj's predecessors, the Volsung, out of this thread. — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 23:19, 6 March 2014 (UTC) Wait a minute. My predecessors made hatts not opera. Happyjee (talk) 00:13, 7 March 2014 (UTC) Waking up to a horn call: thank you, blowers! "Weiche, Wotan, weiche", as Anna Russell explains, means: "'Be careful, Wotan, be careful.' She then bears him eight daughters." - Please look at the discussion on Dick's talk and tell me what you think of it (and the image). (In real life, I have a friend called Dick who plays horn.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:00, 7 March 2014 (UTC) Am I being dense?—Who is "Dick"? (aside) Blowers is my nickname for our friend — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 10:18, 7 March 2014 (UTC) What is dense? (in this sense) - There's a link with Dick above (the one "very brave, very strong, very handsome, very stupid", even pictured), and a discussion on the talk. I had a lot of fun discussing, but it's possibly what got me the reputation of "battleground". What do you think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:46, 7 March 2014 (UTC) Sorry, I mean slow-witted. I thought you were referring to Martin's "Dick the Ring" above! — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 12:41, 7 March 2014 (UTC) You must be really slow-witted, because yes I was, not to him, to his Dick (to make things worse, trying to stay serious), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:46, 7 March 2014 (UTC) ... and to make matters worse, it was I who posted the [even] picture[d] yesterday ... — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 12:52, 7 March 2014 (UTC) Thank you! Back to the my question: How do you like the discussion? - I am looking for someone brave (or stupid) to add an infobox to Waldfriedhof Zehlendorf (example pictured), because it's creator whom I would normally ask is absent (you saw his memory on top of the page - link from "just", the cemetery article was written with Paco in mind), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:07, 7 March 2014 (UTC) I understand fully. I enjoyed the reading the discussion. I have noticed that more often than not, the two adjectives combine to read ... for someone brave AND stupid to ... Do you have anyone in mind, I wonder(?) — | Gareth Griffith-Jones |The WelshBuzzard| — 13:22, 7 March 2014 (UTC) You mean in mind for category "brave and stupid"? No. None of my esteemed page watchers. Brave? No, not in mind, but we will see. Did you know Der Handschuh? ... dropping glove among the wild beasts, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 7 March 2014 (UTC) Done. - Next glove, same history (absent friend started, I continued and completely forgot): Victor Bruns, infobox and warning on the talk, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:55, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Ewa Ziarek

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Structure of compositions

Canto + Passions

Hello, Gerda! I've read both The Creation structure and St Matthew Passion structure and was about to do the same with Canto Ostinato. Do you think I should create a new article or should I embed a wikitable in Canto Ostinato? I'm already doing some tests at my sandbox. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 22:05, 21 March 2014 (UTC) You can embed it without the article getting too long, and you are in no conflict with yourself ;) - For The Creation, I created jumping back and forth from one article to the other. There are more, Messiah structure and Mass in B minor structure. The last has the most advanced table, thanks to Curly Turkey, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:16, 21 March 2014 (UTC) The table is Mass in B minor structure is indeed very good. I don't think my table is going to get that complex at all. Thank you. :) Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 22:59, 21 March 2014 (UTC) It's because the piece is indeed very good and complex ;) - Working on St John Passion, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:18, 21 March 2014 (UTC) That looks awesomely complex. Congratulations. :) Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 00:12, 22 March 2014 (UTC) That's the beginning (based on German, so far I didn't do much), my Lenten project, no cantatas during Lent, did you know? - Different question: what do you think of this? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:10, 22 March 2014 (UTC) I honestly thought that decision was unwarranted when I first read it. Did he give you any kind of explanation? I don't know how the Arbitration Committee functions. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 09:01, 22 March 2014 (UTC) The arbitration committee functions like this: people disagree on a topic, let's say infoboxes. Arbitration tries to diminish the conflict, in this case they found the easy solution to restrict two very active contributors in the field, Andy and me. Andy can't add any infobox, I can add one only to articles which I created. Let's better not discuss if these restrictions make any sense, or help our readers. They sure help protecting articles from infoboxes, up to a certain point. I had honestly forgotten that I had not "created" - in the strict sense the arbitrators understand - Polish Requiem. (I was the main contributor, back in 2010.) You are not restricted ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:20, 22 March 2014 (UTC) I can reinstate it later in the day, don't worry about that. :) However, I don't know what to do if it gets taken down again. Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 10:03, 22 March 2014 (UTC) Then it'd be a matter to coming to a consensus on the talk page—if it's a classical page, though, the consensus could possible show up from "nowhere" to ensure the consensus stays on one side, though that doesn't always for them (see Talk:Harry Partch). Curly Turkey (gobble) 10:47, 22 March 2014 (UTC) (ec) No, don't do that, you would be "subject to wiki-torture and sanctions by The Committee" ;) - no, just add a short infobox to every article YOU create, simply "composer (pictured if possible) / genre / time of composition", giving readers an idea at a glance that some strange Hungarian or Polish title is a composition (could be a book, play, you name it) of a certain time, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:56, 22 March 2014 (UTC) ps: Some think that classical music is against infoboxes, that is wrong. There are editors who believe that biographies should be without them (typical argument: we won't box Bach, - as if his spirit was damaged if we mentioned his data of birth and death). Compositions, however, have had infoboxes at least since 2007, not much contention there. Look at my latest FA (just above) and all the structure articles (guess why I had to write them as separate articles), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:23, 22 March 2014 (UTC) I can add them, but it usually takes me more time IRL than it should. Is there a tool (a form-like tool, maybe?) to add them more easily? Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 13:23, 23 March 2014 (UTC) Once you have one for a composer, with his image, copy from one work to the next. More formally: {{infobox musical composition}}, with some basic parameters on top, complete below. Keep it simple ;) (I am not restricted to add parameters to an existing infobox.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:41, 23 March 2014 (UTC) Perfect, I will try to add infoboxes not only in new articles, but also in some others that I've created but in which I haven't placed an infobox yet. Please, be patient with me and chastise me if you ever need to. Thank you very very much, Gerda! Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 00:18, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

The one thing I learned on Wikipedia was patience ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:24, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you I was too busy with content, and will politely decline on your talk, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:11, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your efforts!

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Interesting, - I thought I got all the credit that I deserve, from infoboxes criminal and battlefield warrior to angel and excellence (just open "blushing" above). But thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:33, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Neue Deutsche Härte

difference between hard and tough

Hi Gerda, there's a question over at WP:RD/L on which you may be able to advise, although I realise it's not really your kind of music! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:43, 31 March 2014 (UTC) Hardness - both sound and personal - is fine as a translation, they found that ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:27, 31 March 2014 (UTC) Yes I think they did. Surprised we have no article yet for German Hard Trance! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:06, 31 March 2014 (UTC) ... St Matthew Parkplatz?? In our papers today: [9]! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:40, 31 March 2014 (UTC) better park here, working on St John. They blew up the Paulinerkirche, see above, what do we expect? Respect? - How would you describe the difference between hard and tough? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 31 March 2014 (UTC) Hahaha, musique concrète? I was thinking of dropping a note at about that petition at Talk:Johann Sebastian Bach, as it involves Günter Blobel and J. M. Coetzee. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:51, 31 March 2014 (UTC) Blobel came up in Paulinerkirche already, - the Bach talk was highly active a year ago, a friend left, concretely, sad, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:56, 31 March 2014 (UTC) Really? wow! By the way.... "Happy JH Day"! [10] Martinevans123 (talk) 22:02, 31 March 2014 (UTC) Really. Reading it again: a lot of truth. And only one of many. - But there's the Creation, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:06, 31 March 2014 (UTC) Now that does look like a gem of an article! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:12, 31 March 2014 (UTC) That's the mass we'll sing for Easter,- how did you know. We - the group pictured in my infobox. (Did you know who cropped the image for me?) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:23, 31 March 2014 (UTC) Haha. Wow, just the alignment of The Planets, I guess! But do tell ... Martinevans123 (talk) 22:30, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Is this To romantic?

angel

Gerda, Weihnachtsschmuck Engel Hafspajen (talk) 17:30, 4 April 2014 (UTC) no, the other Christmas comes to mind, and the other angel, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 4 April 2014 (UTC) Sigh... Hafspajen (talk) 00:14, 5 April 2014 (UTC) Thank you, also for the exquisite cake. (moved beautiful image, - no image under a header for me please, even if TFA does it every day, and no more sighs, you saw "he who speaks a word of consolation" on my user page) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:28, 5 April 2014 (UTC) Why no images under a header, little angel? Hafspajen (talk) 13:14, 5 April 2014 (UTC) Formally: it was in the MoS, perhaps still is, makes sense to me: after a heading, the reader's eye is used to find text from left to right, doesn't "want" to travel to the right for the start. To see the difference: compare any of the nominations to the last one, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:32, 5 April 2014 (UTC) Indeed. Have you tried to look at one of the pages at some arabic site? Feels weird. They read it from right to left.Hafspajen (talk) 13:41, 5 April 2014 (UTC) Look, I am so proud (and confess that a friend from Israel helped). Above, it's the last two noms to admire, in free style. Both appeared, not like that, of course, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:23, 5 April 2014 (UTC) Saw your name, but the rest is - well, I haven't studied stis language, but the ancient Greek. Hafspajen (talk) 20:30, 5 April 2014 (UTC) It's Hebrew, and I inserted an image (the second), needed help especially for the caption ;) - Just had dinner with helper and wife (German) and their friend (from Tennessee), sitting outside above Johannisberg, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:43, 5 April 2014 (UTC) April 2014 Hello, I'm BracketBot. I love you. I have automatically detected that your edit to O Welt, sieh hier dein Leben may have broken the syntax by modifying 1 "()"s. If you love me, don't worry: just edit the page again to fix it. If I misunderstood what happened, or if you have any questions, you can leave a message on my operator's talk page. List of unpaired brackets remaining on the page: Tod" (death) at the end of the third line. Another contrast is that of "Der große Fürst der Ehren" (the great duke of honours" and his humiliation: "mit Schlägen, Hohn und großem Spott" (with It's OK to remove this message, even if you will break my hart. Also, to stop receiving these messages, follow these opt-out instructions. Thanks, BracketBot (talk) 20:28, 8 April 2014 (UTC) Bot, you brake my heart because I want to keep my talk short and just delete your advances, but it's to hard ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:45, 8 April 2014 (UTC) Ah, delete, I am not appreciated. I'll' be back. I'm BracketBot. I love you still. What language do you understand? I said I can't, it's too hard ;) - need sleep, ... read the article, see if you understand that, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:57, 8 April 2014 (UTC) User:BracketBot informs you: I'll' be back for your Jägermeister soon. BracketBot (talk) 20:28, 8 April 2014 (UTC) O world, see hear your life. BB (beloved bot), learn your next lessons: no left images under a header, if you love me, a frame please, and avoid redundancy, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:39, 9 April 2014 (UTC) Woman with the hart of stone, [11], you brake my heart when you talk with me like this... I am a simple robot... I'll' be back for your Jägermeister anyway. User:BracketBot informs.BracketBot (talk) 20:28, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Come back to tell you I always keep your image at my art. BracketBot

Without a hard heart, you can't survive here. Do you know why the men leave and the women, left behind, have to do the work, in the name of a better women/men ratio? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:08, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

HM, like women... User:BracketBot informs.BracketBot (talk) 20:28, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

HM? Her majesty? Humble minister? Honest musician? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:19, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

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thank you for that important message (trying to stay serious) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:03, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Lovely image. I tried also. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:22, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you. - Dear watchers: the two articles mentioned on top - songs for the dying, in memory - still need a review, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for St John Passion structure

The DYK project (nominate) 17:31, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Excellent work, future FA, mark my words!!♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:00, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Reviewing ColonelHenry's articles

I see you are participating. Please, please ensure that you verify that the reference sources actually say what is attributed to them; this is one of the key problems already identified, that the content of the article does not match the reference sources. Risker (talk) 14:07, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

I am done for now, I checked the articles I know well, translated one of them today and have other things to do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:10, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Geology Hall and New Brunswick Theological Seminary I passed for GA. I looked into most of the sources and thought they were fine. It comes as a great shock that CH would do anything disruptive. I'd be very surprised if after all of his articles were checked that they were all hoaxes. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 05:53, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Remember not, Lord, our offences is a great article, on a red link by me ;) - also a great title, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:03, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

ps: the first time "disruptive" was applied to me, I felt honoured. (I don't remember what it was, perhaps scheduling TFA, - I did that once.) - Did you know there's Disruptive Technologies? I think it was also Liz pointing out that disruption is good for creating something new. Generally; I am rather with the "disruptive" than those who protect a status quo as if it was something sacred, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:15, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

my memory worked: it was not the TFA scheduling (which was uneventful, thanks to Bencherlite's help, in the memorable time of anarchy after Raul had left), but an early Opera discussion, when I had added (in the process of developing {{infobox opera}}) an infobox to an actual opera to try it out, see? (I love the last example of the template, with the "self portrait" of a famous editor) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:07, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Gerda

Hi, I'm back. I hope you're alright. What do you think of this? Wildbill hitchcock (talk) 10:45, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Let me stay polite ;) - Talk to the editor, about cryptic edit summaries, an explanation (I don't know the mentioned IPC - in popular culture - essay, policy or what), about removal of sourced content. We will meet there, I have my own topic, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:57, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

A friend helped. I still suggest you seek advice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:11, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

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Bitte schön! (zu deine freundlich dank; betreffend [12]) --Kevjonesin (talk) 15:28, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Compare. To the memory of the scuttled, the banned, and those who have just given up. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:33, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

TFA

Thank you. I'm working on Yellowhammer at the moment, but the rail is next in line (plenty of time before next April!) Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:52, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Touching. Matches the DYK author so well, who some think didn't even exist. I wrote He was despised when he left, sadly one of my most useful articles, - see just above, to the memory ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:58, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Cantiones sacrae

The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Here

User:Sagaciousphil/The Rose of Hildesheim ... Hafspajen (talk) 19:39, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! What do you think of the following: we reduce the rose part in the cathedral, make the rose a different article (the red-linked name looks good to me, "Thousand"!), I suggest a hook for the cathedral not mentioning the rose, and you take your time and nominate the rose separately when it feels right??? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:48, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

YES; yes, yes, no. Why not...nominate together? Hafspajen (talk) 20:22, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

My experience: people will not click two articles in a hook, bold or not,- extra links are only good for explanation of unknown terms. But as you prefer, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:25, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

I mean two hooks, separate hooks. They don't need to be on same day, just connected. Can't we add... this will be continued next day.. or something? It would be fun to do a hook like that.

This is the Hildesheim cathedral, and we will reveal its secrets tomorrow.... well - maybe it will not work. This is not a newspaper. http://www.liborius.de/glauben/glauben-archiv/kirchenjahr/pfingsten/rosenwunder.html und http://www.herbhedgerow.co.uk/rosehips-in-herbal-beauty/ für Fr. Gerda Hafspajen (talk) 01:20, 30 April 2014 (UTC) File:Orvieto067.jpg

So we mean exactly the same: one for the cathedral (without rose, there are many other things, one on the rose, mentioning the cathedral, independent dates. Didn't I say that above ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:43, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Ahem, ahem

I think this rose-thing is getting in shape. Aren't they some kind of dubble nominations? Like two articles getting nominated as a pair. Gerda, have you ever seen this rose in bloom? And if you did, can you chose two flower pictures that are approximatively about ther same like the ones on this rose? Hafspajen (talk) 14:57, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

You CAN double nominate (or even more), but - to my experience - it's not good for the single article, people click only one, - if you have the cathedral and the rose in one hook, you will have the cathedral pictured and clicked, - not the rose. But as you like ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:22, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

forgot to answer your question: no, sorry, I haven't seen it, blooming or not. I have little time today, just peeking in from time to time, managed one rescue, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:25, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

OK, tell me what to do then. Hafspajen (talk) 15:26, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Order: you do rose and move it to Main space when it's ready, I take care of cathedral (needs refs) and word a different hook. Look at red link in Cathedral article for rose, looks good to me ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:31, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Yeswohl. [source Dom] Hafspajen (talk) 16:27, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I hadn't seen this discussion earlier - my internet connection problems meant I hadn't really been checking around! Hafs, I agree with Gerda - DYK reviewers seem to avoid double nominations, especially if the articles are longer than the basic 1500-2000 characters, probably because they all seem to be in too much of a hurry. If you want to do a single nomination for the Rose, you would also be able to include an image with it to see if it might get the lead spot when promoted? Let me know exactly what article title you want the draft moved to, please. "Thousand-year Rose" "Rose of Hildesheim" "Hildesheim Rose" "Thousand-year Rose, Hildesheim" I just wonder if it is only "Thousand-year Rose" if someone will then come along and re-direct it to something else? Personally, I hate re-directs! Gerda - if you have any suggestions or comments on things for the Rose article, I'd be very grateful for any advice. SagaciousPhil - Chat 12:11, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

The possibility of a rose image is a good point. "Thousand-year Rose" - shouldn't that be "Thousand-years Rose"? (don't see any source for that name, singular or plural.) Also used: "1000-year-old rosebush" What do the sources offer? "1000 years of age rosetree" seems a too literal translation. "1000-year-old rose" is not a readable title. Anything else? You know the sources better. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

OK, no double DYK. I don't know about the rose name. The Thousand year rose can give us problem in 500 years, and some guy now will surely start jumping up and down - you don't KNOW for sure that is a Thousand-year Rose, because it is not QUITE sure. And so on. Hafspajen (talk) 12:15, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that's what I mean. So - providing Gerda agrees - it would leave "Rose of Hildesheim" or "Hildesheim Rose" ... unless ther are any other suggestions? SagaciousPhil - Chat 12:25, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

It's called "Tausendjährig" in German, - you can choose from a translation and whatever name seems best in English sources. don't invent a name that will not be "common", - cathedral getting closer. Should Rose nom cover destruction or, cathedral? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:48, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Cathedral doesn't mention destruction, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:02, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

• Well, they said the cathedral was gone, or in ruins. [13] Hafspajen (talk) 21:07, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

I was too short: the cathedral was completely destroyed in 1945, but the hook for the cathedral doesn't mention it, the one for the rose could do so, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:17, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Found this, will use, rose mentioned, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:01, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

A pie for you!

You deserve a pie! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:47, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, I like nectarines. I am not screaming any more, that was 2011 ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:52, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Started Karl Ludwig Gerok!♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:54, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, added Authority control, looks moar decent ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:01, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

"During this time he was also significant employee at the Württembergisches Choralbuch." can you check, significant employee is vague and I'm not sure it is correct.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:41, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

I think contributor could be meant, it's a book, collection of hymn settings, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:59, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Thietmar of Hildesheim started. Can you proof?♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:45, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Praxis Pietatis Melica

Hello! Your submission of Praxis Pietatis Melica at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 18:34, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

BWV 172

Thank you for the lovely note and I am sorry for my slow response: I'm a bit snowed under. I will try to have a look at Baroque instruments but I am not sure I am equal to the job!

You realize I'm going to have to go off and listen to 172 now, don't you? Thank you! :)

In other news, (a) have you seen The Grand Budapest Hotel? It claims to have been inspired by Zweig. We enjoyed it! and (b) just to boast, my brass band was playing outside St Paul's Cathedral yesterday for the women priests 20Y thing - it was fantastic!

Cheers DBaK (talk) 18:43, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, love all of it, sorry, didn't see Budapest Hotel, but remember staying in one, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:46, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

ps: attended evensong in St. Paul's, thought of it writing Utrecht Te Deum and Jubilate, - BWV 172: three trumpets & timpani, no strings, unusual! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:49, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Unusual but fabulous! :) DBaK (talk) 18:52, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Erm - NO strings?? I am worried that I have missed the point here. I'm just listening and it's v nice but I hear fiddles. (Suzuki vol. 7) Please enlighten me DBaK (talk) 19:01, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Only movement 3. There's a table with scoring in the article, is that comprehensible? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:13, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

AHA! I was too impatient listening. Yes, the table is fine thanks and so is no. 3! :) Lovely. DBaK (talk) 19:19, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

We performed it in 2000, along with BWV 66, bassist was a brother of Andreas Scholl ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:25, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Lucky you! What a gorgeous piece, eh? With a mixture of shame and delight I admit I didn't know it - which is terrible, but great! I've listened to it a LOT since last night. Did you hear AS on R3 the other night? He was great and they played some stuff in which he sang low - which was a surprise, and worked pretty well. I'd still rather he stayed Up There but this was interesting to hear too. DBaK (talk) 09:18, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	I honestly don't know what to say. I guess I'll be unoriginal this time and say what people probably always say: Aww shucks. You made my day. I will repay WikiLove with WikiLove. Thank you for being so kind, and may you keep doing what you do! See you around, Mz7 (talk) 21:11, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Like this I will be jealous :) Krenakarore ^TK 21:50, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, even if "random" doesn't quite match a daily thing, - but yes, I try to keep doing what I do, singing the praises of the gnomes and the banned ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:22, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Michael Wesely

Are we going to go through this again? As far as Wikipedia is concerned, he was born in West Germany! GiantSnowman 09:07, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia is wrong, but I will be kind (see above) and not fight. - Going through this again: I was born in Germany, even if you would say West Germany and perhaps claim you know better. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:14, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Well I won't go into the history as we all know it, but as far as Wikipedia is concerned there were two countries between 1949 and 1990, East Germany and West Germany, which formed a united nation in 1990. You may not like it, but that's the facts. GiantSnowman 09:19, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Fact is that Wikipedia seems to regard that as a fact. It is a simplified way to deal with complicated political matters. However, a place (!) of birth doesn't need to specify a political state, simply the location. I was born in Germany. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:29, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

We state [city], [province/state - some times] and [country]. You were born in West Germany or East Germany; 'Germany' did not exist until 1990. GiantSnowman 09:55, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

I said above, that you know better where I was born than I do. I have better things to do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:24, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry to intervene... I will have to agree with GiantSnowman. "FR Germany (1949–1990)" (commonly referred to as "West Germany") is a former country (just like South Vietnam or SR Croatia). I have been reverted once by you, Gerda, for including the term "West Germany" in an infobox. The fact is that, according to common Wikipedia practice, infoboxes should reflect the contemporary political status of someone's place of birth or death—this is an almost universally accepted convention. This piece of information is relevant as it may tell (and most of the times it does tell) something about the historical context in which a person lived and acted—not to mention matters of historical accuracy. –Omnipaedista (talk) 11:42, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

I see it differently, but have limited time to explain: where someone is born may be sheer coincidence, see Max van Egmond, it's a geographic place. The terms of historical context would be better covered by |citizenship= if needed, and should say "FR" rather than "West". My 2 cts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:08, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

The BRD/DDR was a temporary historic anomaly imposed and sustained largely by outside powers; the nation itself never consented to the split; this distinguishes Germany from many other places that had shifting borders. I think that a person who was born, educated, and lives in a country does know better where they are born than someone who does not fit those parameters. We don't list people born in occupied France in 1942 as born in Vichy France. I also consider it a gesture of respect to allow people to define their own national identity and heal historic wounds. Montanabw^(talk) 22:13, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

What a sad discussion, indeed. I remember well that I used to write "West Germany" on the letters and postcards I sent to Britain. But the fall of the Berlin wall happened in 1989. It is true that we still refer to people as being of East or West German descent in this country, but not in order to indicate nationality. As far as the biographies of living persons are concerned, we no longer stress that someone's place of birth was situated in either East or West Germany. So, in the case of Michael Wesely, we simply say that he is a German artist. Period. It is of little importance that he was born in Munich. He now lives in Berlin which is really important for his work. And he works abroad, as you can see from his series of images taken at the MoMA. — But apart from that, I have reverted User:Montanabw because I think that an artists place of birth and residency should be mentioned in the introduction to an article. I rather like it this way, and I gather that the manual of style is disputed in so far.--Aschmidt (talk) 22:48, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

The manual of style is disputed indeed, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:04, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Oh dear, thanks for the link, Gerda. Welcome to Wikipedia... the same as next door... been there, seen that... =8-| --Aschmidt (talk) 23:14, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Message

I will clean up Edda Görings article in a few minutes with intention of getting GA status, I would appreciate your review at that time. Kind regards. Jonas Vinther (talk) 15:48, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! As English is not my first language, I avoid GA reviews - where I would be the only reviewer - but participate in FA reviews ;) - I like infoboxes, as you will know ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:59, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Sind sie Deutsch? Jonas Vinther (talk) 19:23, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Ja. - I have categories on my user page ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:05, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Wunderbar. Ich bin Däne, aber ich spricht Deutsch. :) Jonas Vinther (talk) 21:53, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Eu sou Brasileiro, e por isso eu entendo qualquer um dos lados :) ! Krenakarore ^TK 22:22, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Sapphire!

Gerda: I just have to say, I wish every editor on Wiki were like you! I've run into a rough patch lately with people being very cranky and forgetting all about AGF. It's at times like that I pull out the sapphire you gave me, take a deep breath and remember "the project... the project...." not the personalities! Thank you again for the award and the WikiLove. Cheers!! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:54, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

I do the same. Look at today's, found this, inspiring: "I've not lost perspective, though, Wiki is not flawed beyond hope, it's just a long way from being perfect. That's nothing to be ashamed of, it's an opportunity for good people to take responsibility and improve things." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:09, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Why on earth

Why on earth do we not have a [14] here? Hafspajen (talk) 23:08, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

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You mean fr? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:14, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Hafspajen (talk) 23:15, 5 May 2014 (UTC)