Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring

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This page is for reporting active edit warriors and recent violations of restrictions like the three-revert rule. See this guide for instructions on creating diffs for this report. If you see that a user may be about to violate the three-revert rule, consider warning them by placing {{subst:uw-3rr}} on their user talk page. You must notify any user you have reported. You may use {{subst:An3-notice}} ~~~~ to do so. You can subscribe to a web feed of this page in either RSS or Atom format. Additional notes When reporting a user here, your own behavior will also be scrutinized. Be sure you understand WP:REVERT and the definitions below first. The format and contents of a 3RR/1RR report are important, use the "Click here to create a new report" button below to have a report template with the necessary fields to work from. Possible alternatives to filing here are dispute resolution, or a request for page protection. Violations of other restrictions, like WP:1RR violations, may also be brought here. Your report should include two reverts that occurred within a 24-hour period, and a link to where the 1RR restriction was imposed. Definition of edit warring Edit warring is a behavior, typically exemplified by the use of repeated edits to "win" a content dispute. It is different from a bold, revert, discuss (BRD) cycle. Reverting vandalism and banned users is not edit warring; at the same time, content disputes, even egregious point of view edits and other good-faith changes do not constitute vandalism. Administrators often must make a judgment call to identify edit warring when cooling disputes. Administrators currently use several measures to determine if a user is edit warring. Definition of the three-revert rule (3RR) An editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Violations of this rule normally attract blocks of at least 24 hours. Any appearance of gaming the system by reverting a fourth time just outside the 24-hour slot is likely to be treated as a 3RR violation. See here for exemptions. Sections older than 48 hours are archived by Lowercase sigmabot III.
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User:Brian Josephson reported by User:MrBill3 (Result: Stale)

Page

Russell Targ (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

User being reported

Brian Josephson (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to

Diffs of the user's reverts

1. 09:07, 13 May 2014 (UTC) "/* Remote viewing */ improving precision: the view that RV is PS is not held by _all_ as existing version implies"
2. 11:27, 13 May 2014 (UTC) "Undid revision 608357278 by MrBill3 (talk) where there is controversy, a respectable encyclopedia would say 'generally'"
3. Consecutive edits made from 11:30, 13 May 2014 (UTC) to 11:43, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
   1. 11:30, 13 May 2014 (UTC) "including 'pseudoscience' is unnecessary as it is referred to in the article, and more significantly conflicts with WP:NPV"
   2. 11:43, 13 May 2014 (UTC) "restored 'generally', as it is untrue to say there is no controversy, as evident in many of the sources"

Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning

diff

Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page

1. 10:06, 13 May 2014 (UTC) "/* Assert mainstream scientific consensus */ new section"
2. 11:33, 13 May 2014 (UTC) "/* Assert mainstream scientific consensus */"
3. 11:45, 13 May 2014 (UTC) "/* Improving the lede */ cmt"

Comments:

Note this editor has a COI and continues to edit the article directly rather than propose changes on talk and follow consensus. MrBill3 (talk) 11:58, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Comment by editor concerned: readers of the above will note that my edits involved straightforward points that should not reasonably have required discussion on the talk page (for example, RV clearly is a controversial area, contrary to what was asserted by the editor that I reverted). Also that I have received praise and encouragement for my editing by editors who obviously think I am doing the right thing. --Brian Josephson (talk) 15:22, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

If Brian Josephson is edit warring, so are the other participants: User:MrBill3 and User:Viewmont Viking. Users cannot edit war with themselves, it's a multi-person ordeal. And edit warring in tango with others isn't an exception to the edit warring policy.--v/r - TP 16:22, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

User:TParis you seem to have also forgotten User:JzG. I saw that there had been an edit war and reverted it back to before the edit war started. Brian Josephson Made a bold edit, he was reverted; that is when he should have gone to the talk page. He continued to edit User:MrBill3 did go to the talk page on the revert. He also has a COI which he has been notified about, and just got off a block for legal threats. Yes it takes more than one to tango, but someone normally leads. VViking_TalkEdits 16:44, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

User:TParis if you examine my edit history on the article with some care I think you will find my edits in keeping with policy and supported with discussion on the talk page. I think you will also find my comments on the talk page to be reasonably offered arguments supported with policy. If you take a look at the actions of several other editors I think you will find tendentious, disruptive and non policy based actions often against consensus. Should a report be made at another board or is this the appropriate place for discussion? - - MrBill3 (talk) 17:47, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

While all of that is probably true, I doubt I need to double check since I'm not opposing it, none of it is an exemption under the edit warring policy. Correct, sourced, policy-based edits that revert another editors multiple times are still edit warring. In any case, I've fully-protected the article for a day to facilitate discussion because the edit warring has gotten out of hand on this article. See the other report below.--v/r - TP 17:53, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

• Comment: Being "obviously right" or having "straightforward points" is never an excuse for edit-warring the panda ɛˢˡ” 17:55, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

• Meh. I've encountered him on numeorus pages related to pseudoscience and crank ideas. He is polite, yes he advocates fringe content and edits articles accordingly, but he rarely if ever edit wars and he is not some crazed kid on a mission, he is a Nobel laureate who advocates fringe ideas. He has sufficient self-awareness to recognise that his ideas are often well outside the mainstream, sometimes to the point of being in a different river altogether. My personal view is that he keeps us honest, without overwhelming us with crap. I think that's within the boundaries of OK, though not always and often not by much. I think patient cluefulness is the best approach here.

In short, some people are not worth dealing with, others are sufficiently intelligent and articulate that they benefit the Project even while being mainly wrong. I would far rather ten Brian Josephsons than a single Dana Ullman. The one thing you can say for Josephson, he has intellectual honesty. I do not believe he represents his views as anything other than alternatives to the norm, he seems to me to take criticism in good part. I even like him. He seems pretty calm, has access to the research, and so what if he concludes differently? He seems to accept compromise and consensus which is not flattering to him. I'd invite him to a certain party if I was not sure he'd be busy.

Some folks are fun and instructive to debate and encourage properly robust thinking. I think he is one of this rare breed.

I understand the context of the request, but a few decent editors with no COI are working with Josephson to fix issues without accepting his opinion on them, and he is genuinely co-operating. This is different in character form your typical advocate for refuted ideas. Guy (Help!) 22:51, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

I fully understand the constraints under which WP has to operate. I tend to take short cuts when I think logic strongly supports the edits I am making, but this doesn't always work out as I thought it should.
One point -- I don't know how many editors are aware of this -- is that there is an advocacy group dedicated to removing items they consider (from a very entrenched sceptical PoV) incorrect. There is a video on the internet where their leader explains how you can use WP guidelines to achieve this. I should imagine a number of this clique are working here on the various pages I have been involved with. Also there is reason to believe that some people watch over my edits and mindlessly revert these edits automatically. A spectacular case is where I spotted an error in the name of my physics master at school and corrected it, whereupon one of these trolls leapt up claiming this was a CoI, there was no RS for this (this is a classic case of problems with the guidelines -- the only reference to my physics master on the web has the name wrong, so in theory that wrong name is the one that has to appear in the bio. Fortunately in this case common sense prevailed and my correction was allowed to be put back). But to get back to the point, neither exploitation of the rules to support a PoV nor watching over an editor so as to revert whether or not there is good cause would seem to be in accord with WP ethics.
One more point before I close this already too lengthy comment: consensus is in principle fine, but the problem is distortion in the population of editors. By this I mean that many editors seem to have little in the way of the broader understanding needed to produce a good result (those who do tend either to be too busy or to be fed up with what goes on in the WP world so leave) with a consequence that might be described as insufficient wisdom. I'll stop there. --Brian Josephson (talk) 09:13, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, there can be very excessive scrutiny sometimes. An amusing case I remember: this very stern warning was posted on a user's talk page. Why? Because an article about a TV programme the user had directed mistakenly linked to a comedian with the same name. He had removed the link so as to leave his name as plain text.[1] When various people removed the warning from the talk page the scrutineer edit-warred to restore it.[2] Thincat (talk) 14:22, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

• Stale This happened 2 days ago, it's been thoughtfully discussed, and I think everyone involved understands the way forward. I don't see anything being gained here from a block, and possibly quite a bit lost. Spike Wilbury (talk) 20:14, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

User:Egyptian445 reported by User:AntanO (Result:Both users blocked for 12 hours )

Page

Microsoft (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

User being reported

Egyptian445 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to

Diffs of the user's reverts

1. 15:23, 13 May 2014 (UTC) "Undid revision 608395709 by AntanO (talk)"
2. 15:18, 13 May 2014 (UTC) "Undid revision 608394940 by AntanO (talk) see article talkpage"
3. 15:16, 13 May 2014 (UTC) "Undid revision 608393095 by AntanO (talk)"
4. 15:01, 13 May 2014 (UTC) "Undid revision 608391626 by AntanO (talk) see your talkpage and rv unexplained revert"

Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning

1. 15:20, 13 May 2014 (UTC) "General note: Using talk page as forum. (TW)"
2. 15:23, 13 May 2014 (UTC) "Reverted edits by Egyptian445 (talk) to last version by AntanO"
3. 15:24, 13 May 2014 (UTC) "Caution: Unconstructive editing on Microsoft. (TW)"

Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page

Comments:

User is not supportive and revert edit before issue solved, and blanking his/her talk page Anton^Talk 15:33, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

you have reverted just as many times as i did Egyptian445 (talk) 15:42, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

and you also reverted me on my talkpage Egyptian445 (talk) 15:46, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

I inform you to discuss at talk and solve the issue before revert. It's the Wiki norm, and you were not supportive. I did not revert your user talk page "several time" except once. User talk page uses for discuss not blanking. --Anton^Talk 15:50, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Am a sock puppet of user User:Chaosname who ususes the same swedish ip does the same edits about germanic swedes, english and afrikaners etc, and also did a edit on nazi germany which i did earlier as an older sock puppet Egyptian445 (talk) 16:51, 13 May 2014 (UTC),

i also live in sweden if somones wondering Egyptian445 (talk) 16:53, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

• Both editors blocked – for a period of 12 hours. Both users violated 3RR within a very short space of time. Bishonen | talk 17:40, 13 May 2014 (UTC).

• Block evasion IP 95.199.205.195 seems to be the same editor evading their block - see the senseless repeated edit done at Communist Party of the Soviet Union. I have already reverted twice so I cannot continue due to the 3RR rule. On one of my reverts I unfortunately left a rather rude edit summary out of frustration - sorry. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:30, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

i stoped doing that 95.199.205.195 (talk) 21:57, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Ummm... How long does it take for someone with the necessary authority to actually take action here? This IP is continuing their disruptive and argumentative behavior. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 22:23, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Up to 24 hrs. Besides, this board does not deal with "disruptive" (unless it's 3RR) or argumentative behaviour the panda ₯’ 22:51, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:55, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

User:86.154.93.189 reported by User:Wzrd1 (Result: Already blocked)

Page

Godwin's law (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

User being reported

86.154.93.189 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to

Diffs of the user's reverts

1. 23:09, 13 May 2014 (UTC) "Undid revision 608464518 by Wzrd1 (talk)"
2. 23:12, 13 May 2014 (UTC) "Undid revision 608464801 by Wzrd1 (talk)"

Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning

1. 23:08, 13 May 2014 (UTC) "General note: Unconstructive editing on Godwin's law. (TW)"
2. 23:12, 13 May 2014 (UTC) "Warning: Using improper humor in articles on Godwin's law. (TW)"

Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page

Comments:

I reverted an inappropriate attempt at humor twice, IP editor reverted his changes to article. I warned IP editor in talk page and in edit comment that AIV would be filed if IP editor persisted. AIV now filed. Wzrd1 (talk) 23:14, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

• Already blocked Spike Wilbury (talk) 20:15, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

User:Islam90 reported by User:Jeff3000 (Result: Blocked for 24 hours)

Page: Abrahamic religions (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: Islam90 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to: 11:46, May 13, 2014‎ UTC

Diffs of the user's reverts:

1. 13:06, May 13, 2014 UTC
2. 03:20, May 14, 2014 UTC
3. 09:56, May 14, 2014‎ UTC
4. 11:49, May 14, 2014‎ UTC

Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning: 11:34, May 14, 2014

Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: 23:17, May 12, 2014

Comments:

User is constantly adding a very small minority view, with no sources into the page. -- Jeff3000 (talk) 11:55, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

all of this because a minor change on this page , also user Jeff3000 treats others by religious intolerance. to get more information about this article See the talk page of article. --Islam90 (talk) 12:07, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Another policy of Wikipedia is to [[WP:AGF|assume good faith]. Please comment about user actions that reasons. The content of Wikipedia is based on policies, and your insertion is breaking WP:OR, WP:UNDUE and WP:V. Regards -- Jeff3000 (talk) 12:11, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

• Blocked – for a period of 24 hours That's pretty lenient considering the level of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT going on here, but I'm willing to chalk that up to the obvious language barrier. However, if this behaviour persists, a competence block of longer duration may prove necessary. Yunshui ^雲_水 12:17, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

You blocked him just because he is Muslim? --Lighthouse01 (talk) 15:46, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

User:Derntno reported by User:Dougweller (Result: )

Page

Islamophobia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

User being reported

Derntno (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to

Diffs of the user's reverts

1. 15:47, 14 May 2014 (UTC) "Note differences to address concerns https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Islamophobia&diff=608547360&oldid=608423108"
2. 14:10, 14 May 2014 (UTC) "I hope this makes it clear."
3. 18:24, 13 May 2014 (UTC) "Please read the reference cited before you revert this."
4. 18:01, 13 May 2014 (UTC) "If you read the reference cited, you'll see that Harris cites Cummins with glee, indicating the level of his personal rejection of the idea."

Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning

Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page

Comments:

Warned before last edit.[3] Dougweller (talk) 16:29, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Derntno has now "conceded". They made a new, last edit which was mostly copyediting and adding an appropriate source. User is pretty new - april 2014 - so they probably don't fully understand the technicalities in 3rr, but I believe they have ceased edit warring. Iselilja (talk) 14:50, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

User:DLM 1989 reported by User:188.26.239.114 (Result: )

Page: Eternal derby (Romania) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: User:DLM 1989 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to: 16:57, 14 May 2014‎

Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning: [4] [5] [6]

Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: Talk page

Comments:

Protect this version. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eternal_derby_%28Romania%29&oldid=608565285

Cupa Ligii was a friendly competition. Read this article. http://www.gsp.ro/fotbal/liga-1/nae-si-onofras-umiliti-de-ciini-in-ghencea-povestea-celei-mai-dure-infringeri-a-stelei-in-fata-lui-dinamo-211247.html

After finishing the 1999-2000 season the Red and White (Dinamo) were crowned champions followed a nature friendly competition: Cupa Ligii.

Mihai Stere, Dinamo player: Mihai Stere recalled for gsp.ro Ghencea memorable game in which even managed to score the first goal: "I remember the match with Steaua. Demoted with Farul and went to Dinamo. Signed with them for 6 months and was first my match. Even if playing in the League Cup, a match between Steaua and Dinamo can never be considered friendly.

Steaua used only player who was in trial (like Daniel Munteanu from Universitatea Cluj, Alin Savu from CSM Resita or Alin Biţiş) at Steaua, they have never signed with Steaua, or signed contracts in future years (Mirel Rădoi next year, and Marius Onofraş in 2010).

These players have never had signed contracts with Steaua, automatically were unable to play in a official competitive match, because they had no license to play for Steaua, and the referee had no way to start the game in this situation.

Sorry for my bad English.

User:Darkfrog24 reported by User:Jack Sebastian (Result: )

Page: [[<Oathkeeper]] 
User being reported: Darkfrog24 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to: 1

Diffs of the user's reverts:

1. [7]
2. [8]
3. [9]
4. [10]

Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning: 2

Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: Several attempts in article discussion. The disagreement is currently part of a DRN, but the user is still trying to force a preferred version.

User is engaged in edit-war with two other editors:
Jack Sebastian (talk) 18:34, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

User Jack Sebastian reverted content on the grounds that it was unsourced. Edit summaries refer to the specific secondary source containing the content—listed in a reference tag the whole time—and grow increasingly specific. The content is also supported by a primary source, which is also cited. And it's three other editors, Jack. Who did you forget to count? Darkfrog24 (talk) 19:05, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I am sorry, but that is not an exception to the Three-Revert Rule. The editors I counted were you, DQ and myself. I did not count DM, as he is involved in another article. Right now, we are focusing on your violation of the 3RR rule. I even gave you the opportunity to self-revert, and you decided to avoid the point yet again. So, we're here, and you violated 3RR. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 19:15, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

User:PacificWarrior101 reported by User:G S Palmer (Result: )

Page

Filipino people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

User being reported

PacificWarrior101 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to

Diffs of the user's reverts

1. 19:35, 14 May 2014 (UTC) "Undid revision 608588132 by 86.174.240.211 (talk)"
2. 19:26, 14 May 2014 (UTC) "Undid revision 608586750 by 86.174.240.211 (talk)"
3. 18:55, 14 May 2014 (UTC) "Undid revision 608583074 by 86.174.240.211 (talk)"
4. 18:50, 14 May 2014 (UTC) "Persistant vandalism, I have proof on my talk page."
5. 16:46, 14 May 2014 (UTC) ""
6. 15:40, 14 May 2014 (UTC) "Undid revision 608558328 by 86.174.240.211 (talk)"
7. 15:35, 14 May 2014 (UTC) "Undid revision 608550554 by 86.174.240.211 (talk)"
8. 13:40, 14 May 2014 (UTC) "Undid revision 608543898 by G S Palmer (talk)"
9. 13:39, 14 May 2014 (UTC) ""

Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning

Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page

Comments:

User:86.174.240.211 reported by User:G S Palmer (Result: Editors blocked for 24 hours)

Page

Filipino people (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

User being reported

86.174.240.211 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to

Diffs of the user's reverts

1. 19:20, 14 May 2014 (UTC) ""
2. 18:51, 14 May 2014 (UTC) ""
3. 18:15, 14 May 2014 (UTC) ""
4. 15:43, 14 May 2014 (UTC) ""
5. 15:39, 14 May 2014 (UTC) ""
6. 14:35, 14 May 2014 (UTC) ""

Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning

Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page

Comments:

• Both editors blocked – for a period of 24 hours: Both PacificWarrior101 and 86.174.240.211|86.174.240.211 have gone well past 3 reverts in the past 24 hours, and have technically had a non-stop edit war for the past 3 days. Other editors have also been involved in reverting in that timeframe, but only these two editors have been at it constantly, and nobody else has come close to violating 3RR. -- Atama頭 21:14, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

User:31.210.104.114 reported by User:Magnolia677 (Result: )

Page: New York City Department of Correction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: 31.210.104.114 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to: [11]

Diffs of the user's reverts:

1. [12]
2. [13]
3. [14]
4. [diff]

Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning: [link]

Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: [diff]

Comments:I wanted to leave a message on this editor's talk page, but I saw a warning there about harassment of other editors and I'd rather not deal with that. I did my homework on the edit when I originally made it. Thanks!

Magnolia677 (talk) 17:01, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Comments:

As far as I can tell, User:31.210.104.114 made an edit at 16:36, 15 May 2014‎, which was not a revert, and made a single revert at 16:44, 15 May 2014. So definitely no 3RR violation. Looking further back, there has definitely been disagreement/edit war on this one sentence. However, User:31.210.104.114 has only edited the article one other time which was over six weeks ago. Furthermore, there has been no discussion on the issue on the article talk page and no warnings were ever issued to User:31.210.104.114 on edit warring. Magnolia677, is there more to this situation? What benefit is blocking this specific IP when IP has had only two edits in the last month? Kirin13 (talk) 17:29, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

The user made two edits today, and it would have been my second revert, yes. As I said, I saw the warning on that user's talk page about harassing behavior and wanted to avoid that. I'll just revert it again, and add a note to the article's talk page. Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:39, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Since this is an IP, we cannot assume it's the same person. Looking at contribs, I don't see a connection between BrayLockBoy ‎and any other pages this IP has edited. This event is also over a month ago. There is also no indication that this IP has ever harassed anyone who undid their edits or who attempted to talk with them. Thus, in good faith, I think we should consider those edits to be by a different person and ignore them in dealing with the current situation. Also, personally, I would be more offended by someone reporting me on AN/EW after I made a single revert and without any sort of talk attempts then if someone created an edit warring warning on my talk page - so if you're worried about being badgering, you're giving them more ammunition. At the moment, I don't think you have a case for getting this IP blocked. Kirin13 (talk) 18:56, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

User:Drmargi and User:Favre1fan93 reported by User:Baseball Bugs (Result: )

Page: List of Person of Interest episodes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: Drmargi (talk · contribs) and Favre1fan93 (talk · contribs)

What we have here are a couple of users who are systematically reverting anyone who tries to put (2014-2015) into various TV show articles. The fall schedules have been announced, yet they insist on preventing posting of the obvious, going so far as to post hidden comments ordering other editors not to add that info. I want an explanation from one or both user ID's as to why they're doing this. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:46, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

And I'd like to know why this user has used a. my talk page and b. this venue but not the article talk page to address this issue. I'll address this matter there. --Drmargi (talk) 17:53, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

You wouldn't answer my question on your talk page, so I have very little confidence you will do so on the talk pages of the various articles you're trying to take ownership of. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:55, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

I concur with Drmargi. First, neither of us were edit warring. Second, you should have taken this up on the article talk page, not both of our talk pages, and then here, when I didn't even have a chance to respond to you. As well, wouldn't you think if there was a hidden note there, it's there for a reason? If you actually read WP:CRYSTAL, it states that an article on the 2016 Olympics is fine, but even though we have confirmation that the show will premiere in the fall (again, only fall), there is still a multitude of potential setbacks that could prevent it from airing: Writers strikes, cast disagreements, a presidential speech, (God forbid) a cast member's death. As well, this has been discussed by the Television project and it has been agreed upon that years should not be added until episodes actually air in the television season. If you see it on other pages, then they are in the error, not this page. That is what I would have said to you if you took the proper channels, but since you haven't, I am no longer contributing to this discussion here. If you want to bring it up on the article's talk page, be my guest. - Favre1fan93 (talk – Comment on List of Marvel Cinematic Universe films' FLC) 19:51, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

If that isn't a crystal-ball-based argument, I don't know what is. You could make the identical argument about any future scheduled event. Sorry, your argument doesn't work. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:19, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

• How does the above provide an excuse from edit-warring? You can edit-war after a single edit, as I'm sure you know. The process is WP:BRD - which does mean that Bugs should have been the one who started a discussion on the article talkpage, but then again, Drmargi refused to provide a valid reason for removal of Bugs' edit, so Bugs could be excused for believing that Drmargi had reverted in error the panda ₯’ 20:03, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

DP, did you actually read my response on my talk page? I refused nothing. The edit had been reverted once already (by Farve1fan), and I reverted a second time. There wasn't a lot more to say than what the FF's edit summary and the hidden note said already. Bugs left a message on my talk page, and I answered the question he asked clearly and directly, as anyone who took the trouble to read my response can see. The trouble is, Bugs wants an answer to a question he didn't ask, and seems to be nursing some old grudge or pissed off about something long ago forgotten by everyone else. No one is edit warring aside from Bugs. This whole situation is utterly farcical, frankly. --Drmargi (talk) 20:13, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

The two editors are edit-warring against anyone who dares put the obvious (2014-2015) in. And by the way, the guy who said this should be on the article talk page still has not posted on the article talk page. As I had predicted. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:16, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Also, I'm still waiting for a valid explanation. The fact that it's not yet September ain't it. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:17, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

 Comment: from an outsider: can't this be resolved peacefully with a compromise? Say, leaving 2014-2015 in, but adding a qualifier such as "predicted"? Because it does seem like a fairly sure prediction, barring exceptional events. — Yerpo ^Eh? 09:19, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

User:Jazbar reported by User:Yerpo (Result: )

Page: Party of Slovenian People (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: Jazbar (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Looks like the three-day block for edit-warring was insufficient (see previous AN report), immediately after it expired, the user reverted again, again accompanied by non-arguments and incivility in the edit summary [15] and on the talk page [16]. — Yerpo ^Eh? 08:26, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Again lies and lies, Hey dude you have issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jazbar (talk • contribs) 10:56, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

User:SuperNepoznat reported by User:No such user (Result: )

Page: Serbo-Croatian (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: SuperNepoznat (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to: [diff preferred, link permitted]

Diffs of the user's reverts:

1. [17]
2. [18]
3. [19]
4. [20]

Note that the revert is not always to the identical diff, but the substance is the same: reinsert the statement to the effect that Serbo-Croatian is a dead language and/or political construction, despite a long-standing consensus Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning: [21]

Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page:

• Informed in edit summary [22]
• Informed by another user [23]
• [24] (last para)

Comments:
Run-of-the-mill Balkan nationalist, probably actionable by WP:ARBMAC as well. No such user (talk) 12:08, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

I was about to report this user for the same. Notice also the message they left on the article's talk page. It's a typical case of "I know the truth, why won't anyone believe me?" CodeCat (talk) 12:59, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

User:SuperNepoznat, User:Lighthouse01, User:LightWiki91 and User:WikiLite91 are the same person with same behavior. He also vandalizes other language Wikipedia's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.0.196.247 (talk) 13:19, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

A case for WP:SPI? CodeCat (talk) 13:32, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Also note that several of these accounts have been used to vote in a deletion discussion: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 April 10#Srpsko Sarajevo. CodeCat (talk) 14:02, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Definitely a WP:DUCK case:

SuperNepoznat (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Lighthouse01 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

LightWiki91 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

WikiLite91 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Thanks, 78.0.196.247. No such user (talk) 15:26, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Could you submit it to WP:SPI? The sooner we stop this the better... CodeCat (talk) 15:36, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

I doubt it will speed up the things, but it's a slow day for admins today. The sockpuppetry is so obvious that I don't doubt the outcome, but there will be a lot of damage to fix afterwards. No such user (talk) 15:44, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

The user just added this here, but then removed it. Presenting it as further evidence. CodeCat (talk) 15:37, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

You are funny. You can't stop me. ;) --Lighthouse01 (talk) 15:44, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Clear demonstration of bad faith if I've ever seen one. CodeCat (talk) 15:45, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

• No it's not bad faith. I registered here just to do good things. But then I saw some articles not WP:NEUTRAL and could not resist to change them. But they you people appeared. Bad faithers.--Lighthouse01 (talk) 15:48, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
  • Well at least it's WP:BATTLEGROUND behaviour if you're implying that you're in some kind of struggle against us to keep us from "stopping" you. I'm not an admin so I can't stop you anyhow. But I can report disruptive behaviour and let admins decide. CodeCat (talk) 15:51, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

The user is now edit warring on Bosnian language as well. CodeCat (talk) 15:57, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

• No such user is in battlefield with me hahahahhahaha... Hate both of you :P --Lighthouse01 (talk) 16:00, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

User:QuackGuru reported by User:Jayaguru-Shishya (Result: )

Page: Chiropractic (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: QuackGuru (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

User QuackGuru has already been banned before from alt-med articles[25], as well as warned before for edit warring the alternative medicine articles by administrator EdJohnston[26] and administrator Tiptoety[27]. A short caption from Tiptoety's warning to QuackGuru:

Hi QuackGuru. Please consider this your only warning for edit warring on Traditional Chinese medicine. While it is obvious that you have intentionally not gone over three reverts in one day, please be reminded that the edit warring policy does not specify a specific number of reverts, and simply engaging in a long term pattern of edit warring can result in a block. I'll also note that if you continue to edit war on Pseudoscience related articles, I will impose a 1RR restriction your account per the discretionary sanctions authorized at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Pseudoscience. Tiptoety talk 16:55, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

As administrator Tiptoety's warning makes it really clear, there is not any "specific amount of edits that you can do each day". It does not even matter whether you continue that disruptive behaviour on just one or even more articles. QuackGuru has been specifically warned about edit warring Pseudoscience related articles. As far as I have been involved in developing some other alternative medicine articles, such as traditional Chinese medicine or acupuncture, I have noticed the same editing behaviour by QuackGuru even there.

Two days ago, QuackGuru was already warned two times by different editors:

• at 07:13, 14 May[28] (Mallexikon),
• and at 17:38, 14 May[29].

However, it seems that the same editing pattern keeps repeating with QuackGuru:

• at 21:02, 9 May 2014 on the article, Chiropractic, QuackGuru made a revert on {{POV}} tag[30].
• At 19:18, 14 May 2014, he made his second revert on the very same article, on that very same thing[31].

As stated by WP:3RR: ".... The three-revert rule ... is not a definition of what "edit warring" means, and it is perfectly possible to edit war without breaking the three-revert rule, or even coming close to doing so..."

However, yesterday QuackGuru also made his 3rd revert, so even the bright line of three reverts applies.

1. Here you can see him inserting the {{MEDRS}} tags: [32][33]
2. Here you can see the tags being removed by another user, DVMt: [34]
3. Finally here, QuackGuru crosses the line and reverts the last edit by DVMt: [35]

WP:3RR is extremly clear on this:

The 3RR says an editor must not perform more than three reverts, in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material, on a single page within a 24-hour period.

Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning: [36]

The issue has been tried to be resolved at the Talk page:

1. [37]
2. [38]

Also the edit summaries have been well-established. Jayaguru-Shishya (talk) 15:04, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Comments:

There is a fine line between "edit warring" and "defending the encyclopedia against pernicious nonsense". In this case, it would appear that that people are using defective sources, QuackGuru is tagging the defective sources, and other editors are removing the tags rather than correcting the problems. It isn't happening at a rate that violates 3RR. In this case, my inclination is to warn editors that cite alternative medicine sources that such sources are not to be taken seriously and do not meet WP:MEDRS: removing the tag without correcting the issue is disruptive.—Kww(talk) 15:24, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

The sources in question are not defective and there is currently a discussion about this at WP:MED talk. There is ONE constant in all of these alt-med articles and is QG and his editing practices. A topic ban at this point should be considered seeing how the same issues keep coming up again and again and again. Also, Kww it would be nice to assume good faith in other editors with respect to using reliable sources. We're all here volunteering to make WP better. DVMt (talk) 16:04, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. The other editors at TCM and acupuncture are not only conscientious about quality of sources, they are careful to not over-value particular sources. Quack Guru regularly edits in a disruptive and disrespectful manner. Kww, I invite you to pay closer attention to the edits themselves rather than the kind of sweeping generalizations you made. A sincere consideration of the issues and true consensus building is what we need at those articles, not missionary zeal to push a POV.Herbxue (talk) 16:39, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

A few comments on report:

• Using a 9 May edit to demonstate editor ignoring talk from 14 May - doesn't quite work.
• For 3RR you need more than three reverts, so making three reverts is not a violation of 3RR (but may still be edit warring).
• Consecutive reverts count as one revert for 3RR purposes, so now down to two reverts.
• The first 'revert' doesn't seem like it's reverting to any previous edit, thus it seems to me like a new edit and not a revert -> down to one revert.
• The "Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning" provided above is a notice of AN/EW discussion. That's not the same. The point of giving a warning is to try to halt behavior to prevent bringing an issue to an administrators' noticeboard. (Though given editor's history, it reasonable to believe that he's familiar with given polices and an edit warring warning may not be necessary.)
• In general, article talk pages should be used to discuss article, not behavior of a user. Both of the talk pages linked have section that are more about this editor than about any content. Some editors may view this as a personal attack.

I'm not saying it's not edit warring, but when you bring an issue to a noticeboard, you'll have a much stronger case if everything is lined up. Kirin13 (talk) 16:32, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

User:Herbxue has been notified of the sanctions.

Herbxue is a WP:SPA currently the subject of discussion at ANI. See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Herbxue.

User:DVMt has been notified of the sanctions.

DVMt wrote Rather than individually deal with this individual, it might be better to work in conjunction to help prevent in what I see is sociopathic behaviour which ruins the experience of helping WP achieve its goal of being a reliable and credible source for medically related topics. The part "this individual" is referring to me. The editor DVMt has continued his bad behaviour. The paragraph contains the follwing specific sentence written by DVMt: I've tried in good faith with you here, but your editing behaviour seems to be congruent with this [39].[40] On the chiropractic talk page the link is to the page Profile of the Sociopath. He also accusing me of stalking and being a meatpuppet of Ersnt[41][42][43] and having a COI.

Jayaguru-Shishya has been notified of the sanctions.

User:Jayaguru-Shishya has been indef-blocked previously for disruptive behaviour. See Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Jayaguru-Shishya_is_not_moving_on_and_he_is_continuing_his_battleground_behaviour.

Jayaguru-Shishya has a history of disruptive behaviour. See User_talk:EdJohnston/Archive_32#Question_about_the_resolution_of_an_editwar_dispute_at_Administrator.27s_noticeboard. Both Jayaguru-Shishya and DVMt are not here to contribute to building an encyclopedia. Both editors are unable to collaborate. Take a quick look at the comments on the talk page. See Talk:Chiropractic#Removal of the MEDRS tags and failure to collaborate. See Talk:Chiropractic#Tag restored against CON again. WP:BOOMERANG should apply. QuackGuru (talk) 17:05, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Cherry picking again, are we? Other editors have had concerns with your radical behaviour [44] concerns regarding neutrality again with QG as the primary culprit [45], more disruptive editing here [46], tendentious and repeated refusals to answer a fundamental question [47] and on and on. Considering how recent QG was warned regarding his editorial behaviour at alt-med pages, this warrants a serious investigation. DVMt (talk) 17:16, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

User:DVMt is planning on rewriting the chiropractic article and making significant changes after the dispute at chiropractic was previously resolved. DVMt refuses to moved on. QuackGuru (talk) 17:28, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Are you looking through a crystal ball? I've collected 70+ reliable and MEDRS compliant sources and this is my work ground. I'm not proposing anything yet, I'm just organizing references. You seem to have an ownership issues and besides constantly pushing Ernst, you admit to being in contact with him and receiving emails from him [48]. How is that not an act of meat puppetry? You're canvassing offline with a known controversial skeptic and push his research at chiropractic, alternative medicine, acupuncture, etc. DVMt (talk) 17:40, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Anyone can contact Ernst for a copy of a study. I have read numerous WP:MEDRS compliant reviews and have updated the chiropractic article accordingly. You should stop trying to restore past versions of the article that are no longer relevant. You proposal on the talk page was an old version (you claim it is a new proposal) of the article that was previously rejected in mainspace. See Talk:Chiropractic#Comments. QuackGuru (talk) 17:50, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

I don't think that contacting a controversial author, editing his personal page and pushing his POV on his behalf is 'normal' behaviour. I'm not doing anything other than using talk to discuss salient issues. Like I mentioned above, I've accrued 70+ new reliable sources in my sandbox and I'm actively discussing the problems at chiropractic elsewhere as well to try and build consensus over SPECIFIC issues pertaining to chiropractic. Your interpretation of the events are off-base. Considering you were warned as recently as April 29/14 regarding your editing behaviour, you just seem to keep popping up at ANI over and over and over again. DVMt (talk) 18:07, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

This is the edit warring noticeboard, and as such, other discussion shouldn't be happening here. Therefore, as no edit warring by QG has been demonstrated, perhaps this should now be closed. This is not the place for fringe pushers to try to get their fringe ideas into an article. -Roxy the dog (resonate) 18:27, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

This was a bogus 3RR report but we should leave this open for admins to apply WP:BOOMERANG for the continued behavior problems and tactics both Jayaguru-Shishya and DVMt are guilty of. The sandbox DVMt is referring to is a WP:FAKEARTICLE.[49] QuackGuru (talk) 18:37, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Roxy, you have made allegations, please provide evidence for your claim, or hold your peace. Not a fake article, quack, unless you've now moved onto trying to removing 70+ new MEDRS sources. Why are you creeping out my sandbox anyways? You're kind of proving my stalking allegation. DVMt (talk) 19:25, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

User:CFredkin reported by User:Cwobeel (Result: )

Page: Joni Ernst (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: CFredkin (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to: [50] Diffs of the user's reverts:

1. [51]
2. [52]
3. [53]
4. [54]

Comments:

User is aware of 3RR and of BRD, but chooses to edit war instead, despite attempts to discuss on talk Talk:Joni_Ernst#Blog_Post. Cwobeel (talk) 15:20, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

The comments above are definitely a mis-characterization of the facts. I initiated the article Talk discussion. The edits posted above were made in response to attempts by this and another editor to circumvent the Talk discussion. I encourage whoever reviews this to read the article edit history and Talk discussion.CFredkin (talk) 15:38, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

3RR is a red line, and you started the discussion after multiple reverts. There is no need to editwar, just follow WP:BRD and you will be fine. Cwobeel (talk) 16:12, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

With this edit I removed POV commentary posted on the BLP by another editor. You then largely restored the content, and initiated the so-called edit war, instead of starting a discussion in Talk as would be indicated by WP:BRD.CFredkin (talk) 16:32, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

User:No such user reported by User:Lighthouse01 (Result: )

Page: Bosnian language (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: No such user (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to: [diff preferred, link permitted]

Diffs of the user's reverts:

1. [55]
2. [56]
3. [57]
4. [58]

Comments:
Edit warring with me. --Lighthouse01 (talk) 15:41, 16 May 2014 (UTC) CodeCat is possibly sock-puppet of user No such user. --Lighthouse01 (talk) 15:45, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

User:Rswallis10 reported by User:Davejohnsan (Result: )

Page

List of Two and a Half Men episodes (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

User being reported

Rswallis10 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to

Diffs of the user's reverts

1. 19:53, 16 May 2014 (UTC) "Undid revision 608788688 by Davejohnsan (talk)"
2. 02:28, 16 May 2014 (UTC) "Undid revision 608757605 by Davejohnsan (talk)"
3. 20:59, 15 May 2014 (UTC) "Undid revision 608736655 by AussieLegend (talk)"
4. Consecutive edits made from 20:26, 15 May 2014 (UTC) to 20:27, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
   1. 20:26, 15 May 2014 (UTC) "Undid revision 608645999 by AussieLegend (talk)"
   2. 20:27, 15 May 2014 (UTC) "Undid revision 608601920 by Davejohnsan (talk)"
5. Consecutive edits made from 20:41, 14 May 2014 (UTC) to 20:42, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
   1. 20:41, 14 May 2014 (UTC) "/* Series overview */"
   2. 20:42, 14 May 2014 (UTC) "/* Series overview */"

Diffs of edit warring / 3RR warning

Diffs of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rswallis10#Edit-warring

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rswallis10#.22Series_Overviews.22

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rswallis10#Please_leave_appropriate_edit_summaries.

Comments:

Despite multiple attempts by various editors to ask this user to explain his /her edits, he/she has continued edit-warring and remains unresponsive. Davejohnsan (talk) 20:06, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

They have also been edit warring over at List of The Big Bang Theory episodes with the same style of edits and not communicating at all. Diffs can be provided if needed. - Favre1fan93 (talk – Comment on List of Marvel Cinematic Universe films' FLC) 20:24, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

User:Mmddyy28 reported by User:DVdm (Result: )

Page: Once Upon a Time (season 4) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
User being reported: Mmddyy28 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Previous version reverted to: [59]

Diffs of the user's reverts:

1. [60]
2. [61]
3. [62]
4. [63] after 3RR warning

Diff of edit warring / 3RR warning: [64]

Diff of attempt to resolve dispute on article talk page: none, through summaries by 4 different users.

Comments:

• User is consistently disregarding the fact that Wikipedia is not a crystalball, and is also continuing to be disruptive to other editor's on Wikipedia. Full diffs:

1. [65]
2. [66]
3. [67]
4. [68]
5. [69]
6. [70] livelikemusic ^{my talk page!} 22:19, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

There could've been a talk page discussion just for show, but yeah, he needs to back off and actually discuss things. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:26, 16 May 2014 (UTC)