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If you have the capacity to tremble with indignation every time that an injustice is committed in the world, then we are comrades. – Che.

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For you

El C, contrary to your edit summary- I noticed you were gone, and missed seeing you on recent changes. You are one of my favourite editors. This is for you. Regards, dvdrw 04:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yay! Many chipthanks for the kind words. Greatly appreciated. Best, El_C 06:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well I noticed and missed you! (Official circular here). Novickas (talk) 12:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Thought of you while uploading this picture [1]... for all of your work. Novickas (talk) 17:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks! El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sort of in a hole and am having difficulties submerging. Speaking of holes/that chippie, I got to do some visiting in its burro recently...

Later, adding even more festive decorations, and inspected the whiskers:

And some drinky-drinky as well as rubbing under chin:

Also, two days ago I got to rub a cheekadee's tummy(!); for a handsome reward, of course:

Love, El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You look really good in your purple hat! Bishonen | talk 00:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC).[reply]

Free hat! Today, while cheekadeepetting, this lady who saw us from a far, came over and said: "Can I tell you something...? You're an angel of God."(!) To which I of course replied: "All hail Atheismo!" [nah, I said: "thank you, maddam, that's very kind of you" — what else could I say?] I took an especially neat cheekadeepetting photograph today: it remained visible between my thumb and index as it flew away, giving the illusion it was bee-sized! What an unexpected, and sweet, effect! El_C 02:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, Capitano, where do you get a large enough sweater for a person with that hand? Bishonen | talk 20:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC).[reply]

And then there's Skunky! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oooo. Purdy!

Combine obvious love of animals with photography results in photographic win! — Coren ^(talk) 15:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Great to learn that peoples (plural!) like! Chickadee says hi! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seasons Greetings

Here's some peanuts for Hidey. He hasn't got any!

Hello. Thanks, SqueakBox 23:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wishing you the very best for the season. Guettarda (talk) 00:26, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thx, everyone! Happy 2009! El_C 12:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Groundhog Day

Happy day! Jehochman ^Talk 19:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chippies

El C, I've been meaning to ask for ages. What is the link between revolutionary socialism and chimpunks? Did I miss that bit in Animal Farm? Is it something to do with resting the means of damn making from beavers? --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No link; but are you referring to Groundhog? (see left) There is a Groundhog-Chippie connection, which I was trying to further cultivate (see right). El_C 11:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Love is in the air ....dooooo .....dooo.dooo ......doooo ......dooo.doooo ." --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm envious. You get to pet ALL the fuzzeh creatures! — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 01:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Book?

Let me know when it is out, and you will up your sales by one. :-) KillerChihuahua^?!? 09:22, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

4 Tality Fractal

1. Four Facets of existence: 1. Matter 2. Energy 3. Space 4. Time

2. Four Dimensions: 1. 1D 2. 2D 3. 3D 4. 4 D (temporal)

3. Four Fundamental interactions: 1. Strong 2. EM 3. Weak 4. Gravity

4. Four States of matter: 1. Solid 2. Liquid 3. Gas 4. Plasma

El_C 07:19, 2 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Rev-dels

Just for information at the moment: are you able to do revision deletions? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 19:47, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Affirmative. El_C 20:46, 16 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks. There are a couple of admins I usually contact when I see something that needs to deleted, but unfortunately they let real life interfere with their admin duties. You are online a lot at the same times I am, so it's good to have another person to contact if needed. I generally only ask personally if it's both serious and urgent. - BilCat (talk) 02:29, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, by all means. If I'm around, please don't hesitate. El_C 02:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much. I realize.my wording above presumes you'd be willing, and that I didn't actually ask, so thanks. :) - BilCat (talk) 04:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Romania

I can live with your highly arbitrary closing summary of the RfC on the Talk page, so I do not want to persuade you to change it. However, you closed other on-going debates as well. Could you open the other debates? Thank you. Borsoka (talk) 05:57, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, the thanks I get! El_C 05:58, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

And all I got was a ^^^

El_C 06:06, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Precious anniversary

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:11, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nice. Thanks, Gerda!

El_C 08:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Good day, see? Take music and flowers to your liking ;) - It's great to see your name so often on my watchlist. One area where I often wait for admin action - not now - is WP:ITNN, where we nominate for recent deaths to be shown on th Main page, and often the time between an article found [Ready] and then is [Posted] seems [too] long to still call it recent. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, good ol' ITNC —where I got no credit for being the first to have

Posted the Corona virus outbreak, but upon (admittedly, perhaps somewhat prematurely) doing the same for the Kirk Douglas RD got a what-the-fuck-barbeque— it's a magical place! El_C 11:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I see, sorry for touching some wound ;) - Same for me: last year, I nominated a great pianist for RD, after I first had create an article which took time, and then carried away to also make it decent, - and by then her death was so long ago that she wasn't mentioned at all. The more woman, and the more foreign, that danger seems imminent, and if I may bother you in case I seee it coming again, that would be great. At present, it's a man, listed 20 Feb (although who knows if that was the day?), and nobody even commented yet, so nothing to be concerned about right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, by all means, if you feel Peter Dreher is [Ready], let me know so I could do the honours. El_C 12:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I nominated him, so am not the most independent to judge ;) - and I'm already busy with the next, a woman, but mostly not foreign. - I really think we have some unintended bias there: the most prominent figures (white U.S. males) get speedy attention, and appear soon at the top position, while the female foreigners - often reported late to start with - take so long to even be noticed that they get only a place towards the end, finally, - as long as we go by date of death and not "in at the top". Result: those who are promminent already get preferred showing, more in front, and longer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:04, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, countering systemic bias is a treacherous mistress — though in the case of Kirk Douglas, I have to admit my own affinity for his admirable work countering the Hollywood blacklist... Anyway, +Peter Dreher to RD. El_C 13:16, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, love-ly! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I nominated the poet for ITNN. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:36, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

At the [Ready]! El_C 14:48, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

and posted ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That was quick! I helped? El_C 17:33, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

think so ;) - today's Alte Liebe became especially meaningful after yesterday's funeral. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:21, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Next foreign women RD: Odile Pierre. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:12, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gerda Arendt: sorry for the belated response — I overlooked your last message. Apologies for not being able to assist with that one. Please don't hesitate to list more. I'll try to be more cognizant of this thread next time, I promise. El_C 03:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda's corner

To help me better remember! El_C 05:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda’s corner is lovely. When I have more time in my life and can do things beyond blocking socks, I plan to spend time there getting some of the Holy Thursday hymns on the main page. Gerda, if it’s not too late to find one, let me know. The Pange Lingua is always a first choice, but if there are any others you can think of, I’m open. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:26, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Also, El C’s talk page is lovely, especially for his hosting my musing about music he likely doesn’t care about one iota! TonyBallioni (talk) 05:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I like all kinds of music, including of the eclectic and esoteric variaty — lately I've been Dimashing it up (special thanks goes to Jasmin Ariane!). El_C 05:32, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lovely corner, thank you! Today is The day of music, two choirs singing. I'd like Beati improved - but it's in the evensong, perhaps I'll get to a few more lines. On IWD, I should also get Elinor Ross in better shape ... - but singing comes first. Listen to Beati by voces8, another article needing improvement. Singing comes first ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

On the ITNN page, 6 Mar, Carsten Bresch. We will possibly never know when he died, but should use 6 - when the world was informed - as the day by which we go. I may be alone with that view ;) - Lovely lively colours! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Expect the sky to fall at ITNC — posted with Mar 0? (!). El_C 13:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for posting, and I added "Posted", but don't want to pass credits. DYK you know that it is as easy as clicking on the words "credit" in the nom? Nice progress on the soprano, but out for singing (alto), second round. A good source for her death would be a nice addition, anyone. this is all Spanish to me, and the English one is a blog. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

nom done, and the credits were done by someone else - bedtime --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:19, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sleep tight. El_C 23:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

done also, and she's there - today's topic seem to be errors (3) in the OTD section of the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Amakuru took care of that! - What should I do about this decline? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If you're confident it's good, I would move it to main namespace nonetheless. El_C 10:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

How about you? - I asked the decliner for reasoning, but got no answer. I think it might be better if it's not a personal thing between them and me, so an independent pair of eyes might help. - I don't go via AfC, nor does my friend LouisAlain, but last year many of his translations were sent to draft space, for lack of refs, just because de and fr have different ideas about referencing. I try to rescue, that's all. Then get a ridiculous template on my talk recommending the Teahouse, and still see the ridiculous decline template recommending to seek help from an experienced editor, - the things we do to voluntary contributors ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Mainspacified. And I didn't even visit the Teahouse! El_C 13:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

pacified ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for tagging me, El_C!

Concerning Dimash: Oh wow, I really didn't expect that! But I'm happy you enjoy it!

It's funny, it's not even a genre I usually listen to. But the first time I heard him 2 years ago, I immediately loved his music. I love his voice, his emotional interpretation; and his vocal skill, range and versatility are just enormous. And he seems to be a very nice and humble guy, which makes it even easier to like him.

PS: "eclectic and esoteric variety"? Wow, that sounds interesting. Jasmin Ariane (talk) 21:55, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

♫ Welcome to the corner, Jasmin! Yes, I love Dimash's Sinful Passion, New Wave, SOS d'un terrien en détresse, Ogni Pietra (Olimpico), Opera 2, and more. Indeed, music-wise, I'm all over the place. Yesterday, I was listening to the Mahavishnu Orchestra, I'm listening to Charlie Byrd right now (because I love bossa nova, above all else), and I'm listening to the China Philharmonic Orchestra in the car currently. So, yeah, all over the place. Welcome, again! ♫ El_C 16:47, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda's February corner

Want a drink in darkness? - Schloss Freudenberg --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Somehow, I don't really see that concept spreading to other bars... Back to out previous conversation, somewhat, a different kind of Green: "MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE - A Randy Rainbow Song Parody" (just released). El_C 14:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I missed Mathsci for two years. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:14, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Criss-crossing paths... El_C 15:16, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

BWV 1, concertante violin 1 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:19, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's right, I remember seeing that. El_C 15:24, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did you ever click on Reformation on my user page, first occurence? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I have clicked on all of the (longstanding) links on your userpage. El_C 16:08, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am impressed. ... and follow to what the first 2 had discussed, and used, and then one of them needed it, and probably had known that all the time? ... which was my user page lead until 2021 when I decided people hovering over my name should see a pic I took. The last time I used it was for Cassianto, 24 May 2020. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, but otherwise, your userpage isn't easy to parse, due to the fact that you actually use it. I edit mine like once a decade. El_C 18:00, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I copied that from BarkingMoon including the top icon - a bird on the Main page today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:07, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Love it when the Main page gets that much colour. I noticed that article yesterday and thought: wow, those birds are almost as iridescent as Hummingbirds , which are... well, kinda the best! El_C 18:18, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

yes --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Opa is now on the Main page, Wilhelm Knabe, who stood up for future with the striking school children when he was in his 90s, - a model, - see here. - Further down on the page, there are conversations about the current arb case request - I feel I have to stay away - in a nutshell: "... will not improve kindness, nor any article". - Yesterday, I made sure on a hike that the flowers are actually blooming ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yay for Green Opa! This made my day!

El_C 16:24, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Today, we have Doris Stockhausen on her 97th birthday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:34, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Till 120! El_C 15:39, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Birds of a feather

External videos
Bitter-sweet groove (translation unavailable on request!)

Spiel nicht mit den Schmuddelkindern ... anticipated protest --- and listen, not to me, but the music (in the article) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

... and after the music, please listen to User talk:Nikkimaria --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:39, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand. There's a YouTube video at the bottom of the page, but it's just some people talking in German (which I don't-Opa-understand) alongside some German folk music (not my cup of tea). Then, you link to Nikkimaria's talk page as an ill with numbers and stuff, but it still only links to their main user talk page. Quite confusing. El_C 13:48, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

entirely my fault, I thought I had the video in the article, but no, only on the talk of Martinevans123, and when I'm absent-minded, I confuse ill and diff, Nikkimaria. But hurray, I just expanded the soprano, sufficiently I hope. Need fresh air now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I didn't really like that song. Didn't dislike it either. Was just kinda meh. Personally, I prefer the Israeli children songs I grew up on, like הילדה הכי יפה בגן, for example. El_C 16:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Degenhardt would have been delighted! Not a song to be liked, - did you read the quote which I translated (improving on Deeple) per the talk request. Song talk about unpleasant smells, ending with a crime and a corpse swimming ... while the surviving grubby children keep singing that you better don't play with them. - Thanks for yours. Did you read my advice for M? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:33, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I did not. Quoted where? Also, after Opa, I'm afraid to ask, but what's a "Deeple"? Yes, I saw it. Sound advise, but I'm still concerned that further cognizance will nonetheless be needed in order to avoid utter disaster in the future. El_C 16:45, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

my next mistake, DeepL - as you know everything about me you'll know that I am an infobox warrior who had to be restricted by arbcom to prevent utter disaster in the future. For 2 years I was too proud to appeal. I should have known SBHB's advice in the case, but then we might not have gotten to Beethoven ;) - RfC for Ian Fleming, and I stay away, I stay away, I don't play that game any more - please, be never afraid to ask! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:03, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Matti Caspi laments about how many songs can even be created, but does so in a song he created (כמה שירים אפשר להמציא בכלל), so there you go. Take that, eternity! El_C 17:13, 4 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda doesn't lament but enjoys the support by Brian, continued when others called her guilty, - always trying to mediate. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tis the season for bitter-sweet...? Also, trying something (top of section — EEng uncredited mention). El_C 18:45, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

look --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:34, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

did you? - interesting bitter-sweet today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I did in passing, but I just am not in the headspace for riddles today, I'm afraid. But I did like File:Idstein,_Unytsjerke._Oersjoch_ynterieur.jpg. Almost-but-not-quite grand; warm but-not-quite gaudy. Sorry, I haven't heard of that translator before. Did you know her, personally? El_C 23:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. The church pic - as you will have seen - is in my user infobox for 2021. I don't know the singer personally, but she sang for us several times, Bach's great works (all explained if you follow the link, also (below there) that some like to receive my thanks and appreciation), and she sang recently in cantata services that I pictured (her page). On all these pictures, she is too small for "about her", and my lead is smaller "about me", of course. - I knew nothing about the translator, but she was a red link on Deaths in 2021. The bitter-sweetness is between her and her ex-husband, a novelist with an article who wrote her obit. (They had four children when they were divorced, and now he has ten.) - The delegate called me to task for the Bach cantata, so I will have to not follow spontaneous impulses for a few days, - hope no one dies whose article has to be written. In the cantata, BWV 1, I have a problem. The article was all built on one source (and all other Bach cantatas at the time also, btw) which one user denies reliability. I wanted to keep it, supporting it for all facts - only recordings, anyway - by a second source, trying to be faithful to the article history and to retain what editors did before me. He removed it. Quite generally, I have a problem with expansions which ignore what former editors achieved, see BWV 53 and Ian Fleming for recently mentioned examples. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, just read that at: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/08/dr-vera-wulfing-leckie-obituary — I see what you mean. Right, I knew it (the church) looked familiar. Hope you're able to resolve your BWV 1 problem. I'd offer to help, but I'd probably just mess it up, anyway. El_C 16:55, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You will not mess anything up if you look at the old ref and tell me if it looks despicable to you, just for curiosity. The article was like this when I began "taking over". - Did you see this trying to revert a takeover? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It does not look "despicable" to me, but I am far from an authority. This is not an area with which I am familiar. El_C 18:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, helped. I just found this (having searched for Thomanerchor) and look what is bolded, and praised. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Helleborus orientalis

happy Valentine's! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:14, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, for you, too. Did an English translation of a song at User_talk:El_C#Us, btw, and am about to submit another ("US," itself), so check it out! El_C 16:23, 14 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

adding today's featured picture of February 17 - a nice match to my wild one --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lovely, lovely! El_C 23:24, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Request to put 2021 storming of the United States Capitol under WP:1RR

@El C: @Octoberwoodland: Continuing this discussion, I'd like to request that 2021 storming of the United States Capitol be put under WP:1RR (I guess that would be Template:American politics AE?). How do I make such a request? Post to WP:AN? Or can an admin (i.e. you :-)) do that without a formal request? — Chrisahn (talk) 23:59, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Chrisahn, right, you ask me, here, like so. But can you show that there is a lot of protracted edit warring going on? Because I'm wary of throttling a page that sees that much activity. Not sure why you pinged Octoberwoodland here. They are not an admin, so they do not have the authority to grant your request. El_C 00:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, there hasn't been much edit warring. Just like Octoberwoodland, I thought the page was already under 1RR, and I thought it would be useful. But if you'd rather not do it yet, that's fine with me as well. If problems do arise, I'll come back here. But I hope it won't be necessary. :-) (The ping was just because Octoberwoodland started the discussion at Alalch Emis's talk page and might want to chime in here.) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:21, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just understood that moments ago (the ping). Anyway, in general, restrictions are added by need only. The general consensus among admins is to wait and see, and only if needed add 1RR. And if that isn't enough, only then move on to additional enhancements, like Consensus required (i.e. gradual escalation). Regards, El_C 00:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the explanation! These processes are more fine-grained than I thought. Probably a good thing. Although I'm afraid I won't remember the difference between {{ds/editnotice}} and {{ds/talk notice}} a week from now. :-) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:54, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I just type T:DSA (all listed at the bottom), otherwise, who can remember! El_C 00:56, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is time I knew more about do's and don'ts applicable to infoboxes. Could you let me have the link to any WP that applies to Infoboxes as such? Qexigator (talk) 17:52, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I'm far from an authority on infoboxes, Qexigator, so short of pointing you to the MOS:INFOBOX-obvious, I would just advise you to avoid WP:ARBINFOBOX2 at all cost! Regards, El_C 18:13, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Some users get hot about infoboxes, while for others it's the normal thing to have. Before adding an infobox to an article without one, check for warnings in edit mode, and for discussions on the talk page. Recent example Ian Fleming, nonono. Those who made the article as nice as it is today don't like it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:23, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Haha! See what I mean, Qexigator? *Pokes Gerda* El_C 18:25, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the link to MOS:INFOBOX. This comfirms my experience when I have been looking at or editing other well-established articles on impottant topics: the infobox is 'to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article (an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored,,,The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance,' If well done, they can be very helpful when needed.' Qexigator (talk) 18:44, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My favourite is Beethoven. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:05, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The unquestionable elegance of less is more. El_C 19:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am so proud of that ;) - Did you know that I designed it in the workshop of Teh Case ("Actually, I believe almost every article would profit from a placement like that in history and geography.")? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 10 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Us

User:El C/Songs from the homeland (YouTube links to individual performances are at the top of the subpage, in boldface)

"You See Far, You See Clear"

"Us"

"I Want Us To Be Realized"

"Didn't Know You'd Walk Away From Me"

"You Put My Hand In Yours"

"A Place Of Worry"

What Is Love?

"How Is It That A Star"

"A Love Song (Like A Wheel)"

"Sitting On The Fence"

"Yes, It Has No Chance, But Between Myself And I Everything Is Allowed"

Last updated: El_C 09:05, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda loves subsections!

Thanks for sharing! Reminds me of my one and only contrib to the Hebrew Wikipedia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I would have liked to add the pic to context, but can't tell ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Are you referring to he:קובץ:Ubud_Cremation_4.jpg, because that is one scary dragon! El_C 08:51, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

yes ;) - that pic was taken by my much-missed friend who made the good version for Ian Fleming, and my illustration for the infobox wars (see the link to the workshop, and in my 2020 talk archive). - On the other topic, Bach, we have now another ANI, by Smerus, Nikkimaria is fighting, I shake my head and try to look away, and Mathsci is still blocked. How many more editors in good standing are going to be burnt? - I like the singers music, but the images best when I see him, not graphics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Haha! All roads lead to Ian Fleming, it seems.

Also, you're making me sound like the grim reaper, but I just want to pet a chipmunk! El_C 11:03, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"making you sound"? I just tremble with indignation - out for the day --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:07, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's the second time today where I've had Che quoted back at me — looks like it's gonna be one of those days... Enjoy your outing! El_C 11:13, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]


Innisfree Garden

Back from sun and snow: sorry if that landed wrong. I was a bit in a rush, and reacted to "all roads lead to IF". I don't care about IF, at all, the number of my edits to his article is zero, the number of my edits to the talk page is zero. I had not thought of him in years until the ongoing RfC, and my edits will remain zero. I use his name as an example, because - with the RfC going - I can mention it, otherwise if I mentioned a name from the group someone would come and cry "canvassing".

I thought about the animosity, and what I can trace back (because I really don't understand it), and looked at what I wrote about Ian Fleming on the page deleted as a call to battle. I made a note of the name, that it was infobox person (red background indicating that it was lost) and the above-mentioned diff of a good version from 2012 piped to the date. That's all. I had forgotten until I looked it up now that my friend had made the good version. When we lost him (later that year) I spread the image all over the Wikipedias, even Hebrew (with some help from a friend from Jerusalem). My first reaction had been to leave, but then I didn't want to do his enemies that favour ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:30, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ooh, that is some lovley greenery. So nice. Also, you can CANVASS me any day, Gerda, but should probably note my propensity to call (!)voter fraud whenever things don't go my way (diff). Anyway, trying to take it easy today, with the occasional bouts of critical drinking. El_C 19:28, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, easy today, will explain "canvass" some other day, also why I think the animosity is inherited, because the listing described really doesn't explain it, - although I can see (now) that the red background - about as red as your top image - could be seen as inflammatory. But a reason to leave Wikipedia? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Easier today, with progress on BWV 1. Back to the beginning, Hebrew: we miss Yoninah, terribly, and one of the many things she would have done for me is adding the text of a psalm to the article, compare Psalm 45 and Psalm 43. The text can be found at the bottom, in External links. I could probably manage but would feel safer if someone did it who could actually read it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Oh, good, glad to hear it. Yup, I well know Yoninah for her top-tier contributions. I wouldn't count our losses yet, though. She's only been gone less than a month. Hopefully, she'll return soon. *Sending positive vibes* El_C 11:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Haha! Dangerous terrain (diff), who would have thunk it? (Seriously, I didn't.) El_C 11:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. I confess to being puzzled (diff). Anyway, pinged you to User_talk:Veverve#Psalm_43_query. Hopefully, my confusion can be assuaged. El_C 11:32, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

did it? (I had an edit conflict there) - thank you for a new word, "assuaged" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

See the trouble you get me into? Now to ameliorate! El_C 11:39, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

going out again, sun and snow, will think about amelioration when walking --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:03, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Obligatory Here Comes Sunshine spam! El_C 12:27, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

refreshed: spam for spam (subject of my first article, which was supposed to be the only one, but it had this red link ...) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:36, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Very nice, but I still think I'm owed some Psalms-related comforting! El_C 20:38, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I like that a lot! El_C 20:49, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly: more work for you, in her memory. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:02, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Guess what, ~~BWV 1 and~~ BWV 159 make progress. You mentioned AE. I was there, last 2015. It was so awful that I dropped all pride (and it felt like giving up walking uprightly - watch out for Psalm 110 there) and appealed (and even successfully so). Starlight on top of that archive ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:01, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take some startlight — been flying too close to the sun lately, truth be told. El_C 18:34, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome! I made a hook, also for you.

Did you know ...

... that Universalkünstler
Arik Brauer
created paintings in Fantastic Realism,
songs in Austropop,
stage sets for the Paris Opera,
and house facades in Austria and Israel?

(17 February 2021)

One this day nine years ago, I told Voceditenore that she is a voice of opera and reason. In 2018, she said: "And, no, there haven't been infobox squabbles in ages. I personally use them all the time now for biographies and operas. There are a few diehards left, but the general attitude from both perspectives seems to have settled on live and let live." So why is it that some still can't settle on live and let live? - The next cookbook author is scheluded to appear as TFA (with a nice infobox btw, as the last), and I will keep the usual thanks to the creator for myself as insistent, but I don't understand. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Love the artwork of Arik Brauer — nicely done! Ah, the vicissitudes of infoboxen, its ebbs and and flow. What a peculiar thing it is. El_C 14:55, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, it doesn't. It could just ebb. In 2018, it was no concern. Why is it now? Why can't we just edit the little boxes as other content: someone adds, and if someone reverts, consensus needs to be established. Instead, someone adding, or requesting, or just asking where it went, is considered a warrior. The question where it went often goes like this: when a certain group of editors expanded an article, they collapsed it (thinking that was a compromise, but making life harder for those having physical trouble to click the "show" button). That caused a little edit-war, which was "resolved" by taking it away completely, with a discussion like this on the talk following. Ever since, we have been reminded that there was this consensus not to have one, and we are supposed to believe that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For sure, I am like-minded with you in that interpretation. WP:ONUS should generally be observed, like elsewhere. Indeed, there really isn't an excuse for not doing so. In theory, per WP:ARBINFOBOX2, WP:ACDS allows admins to just straight-up make it (ONUS) a requirement by adding Consensus required to intractable infobox disputes. My sense is that most admins just do not want to touch these because it usually ends up amounting to a zero-sum game, at best — myself, I don't really engage infobox disputes in an AE capacity, because the history and politics AE topic areas keep me busy enough (diff). El_C 16:19, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There are almost no "intractable infobox disputes", really, so DS serves no purpose. The problem is that a newcomer who has no idea of a minefield is treated as a warrior. - I love your translations. We should have more us. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, understood. Admittedly, I do not have a firm grasp of what's happening on the infobox front. RE: translations. Many thanks! I appreciate your praise very much. Also Val's. Strange how it took me hours and hours to do the first one, an hour to do the second one, and 30 minutes to do the third one. But I think I'm now finally satisfied with the final form of all three translations, so at least I'm done with the constant tinkering (though not to jinx it!). El_C 16:57, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For more understanding: imagine - if you can, it takes courage - for a moment that back in 2012, the infobox had been kept as it had been for years then already. Imagine. - Certainly thanks to presentation here, Arik Brauer made it to the stats, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 18 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Play Bach

How do you like this? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Enjoy the music, and make it last. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:18, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(As) I always do, Gerda! Yours always, El_C 12:00, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Great music offer! - What do you think of the start of Reception, - the little prince never gives up a question. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not usually a fan of princes, but here's one that really did music-it-up! El_C 12:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Agree about Johann Ernst! The Little Prince never gives up a question, "the prince has golden hair, a lovable laugh, and will repeat questions until they are answered". How do you like the beginning of reception? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

One of my favourite books growing up... Reception looks great to me. I think he did a fine job. Top tier musicology. El_C 16:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, but who is "he"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"You know, that guy — who always wore a shirt." Oh, sorry, did you write that, with him just having merged it? It's a low attention span -day today, so brace yourself! El_C 17:04, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nonono, I could never write such a thing (+ I'm not a "he" as the writer is, and yes, the obvious "he" just merged it). Two ways to the answer: you follow the links in the edit summary (better the second), or you look at the new article's talk page. Unless you just guess why I come to you of all people with this question, and may guess right. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A riddle — noo! There better not be a math and science test at the end of this! El_C 17:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

test? first question in this thread has one (!) link, leading to the initial entry of a new article, with two (but I said better second) links, with the second leading to where an estimated 95% of the content came from. [2] - a fine job, indeed, not my style, but fine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hoping for a D-. That would be about right. El_C 17:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

An unblock would do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda, for reasons which are my own, attending to this dispute, in any administrative capacity, just isn't something I wish to engage at this time. Sorry. El_C 20:42, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Understand. Appreciation of outstanding work is better. You can tell other admins where the clue is - my lead image until 2021 came, remember? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, happy to pass on genuine positive impressions, always. Yes, I do. Breathtaking, primordial. El_C 22:26, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"at times heavy to carry" (quoting myself still from the same page which also has the model for Precious, did you see? - the cabal of the outcast, - I told Bus stop four years ago, feel like Cassandre) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And that's very much okay to express. Also, we can be in diametric opposition about whatever from time to time. That is also okay. El_C 23:20, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cleaning up after vandals (Gerda bump)

Hi

You recently blocked Lenchmobbin (talk · contribs) for deceptive editing and poor communication, after my nomination. My quick question now is how do I most efficiently undo the damage they did? It would be a lot of work to go through all the articles and figure out what remains of their changes and what needs to be reverted, and since there are intervening edits I would have to do it all manually. Is there a quicker way with some tool or something, or do I just have to suck it up and do it the hard way? Thanks in advance for any help! Knuthove (talk) 17:02, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Nope, nothing that I, at least, know about can work as a timesaver for all of that painstaking work. No rest for the weary. El_C 05:55, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Another watering down of the wisdom of the tetragrammaton, damn it. History is all downhill. At least if we can trust Isaiah, the Big Chief's view was that there was 'no rest for the wicked'. As a rogue editor and traditionalist that's my take on working here (without offending Weary Dunlop 's memory).:)Nishidani (talk) 12:24, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Did I do a wicked thing or is it a Wicked problem. Or... El_C 12:38, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That in itself is a wicked problem question, since how you take it depends on whether the stress accent goes on the first or the second syllable of wicked. Philip Roth's novels, and a million others (John Updike) often deal with male protagonists who have a wick(ed) problem, if the stress makes that word monosyllabic. Ah, I suppose, bending my mental elbow with fond memories of student weekends, I should accommodate the matter to the wisdom of my dialect: (no rest-rooms for the shickered). Cheers, pal.Nishidani (talk) 12:46, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unrelated-related, here are the books I've read most recently (in chronological order): Dayworld (Hebrew), The Simulacra (Hebrew), Nineteen Eighty-Four (Hebrew), Real Ultimate Power, The Official Ninja Book (English), The Lovers (Hebrew) ISBN 0-345-28691-X, now reading Darkness at Noon (English). If there is a method to my madness, I submit to you that it is Totally Sweet. And Smooth. El_C 12:59, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The only connection there is with The Simulacra, which, being written by Philip Dick . . .Seriously, after Darkness at Noon, it's worth glancing at his neglected novel, Arrival and Departure. I read it too long ago to remember much but 'Statistics don't bleed' somewhere there stuck. Cheers Nishidani (talk) 13:50, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Right, I've heard of it, but never gotten around to locating/reading it. Anyway, maybe we should start an Anti-Orwellian/Pro-Ninja book club? Just throwing it out there. El_C 13:56, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dunno. The (Orwellian) future (apart from one's mortality at the moment of writing this:)) is already here in my twisted way of viewing this otherwise splendid world, so I tend to, with fiction, only read stuff composed prior to 2000 (BCE, would be ideal, but I never learnt Sumerian). Nishidani (talk) 16:13, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nishidani, if you hear that chipping sound as you sit in your ivory tower, that'd be my army of chipmunks. So, brace yourself...? El_C 18:29, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I only brace myself to avoid my trousers falling down to my ankles. You've stumbled on one of my early nicknames -Chip - the chosen monicker the brightest kid in our class (+162 IQ, but he wasn't good at football or cricket, poor bugger) devised for me. As long as your little chaps don't mind the toponi di campagna, snakes and hedgehogs that thrive on my property or come to share an evening meal with my cat, rest assured they'll get the royal carpet treatment, Devonshire tea if they bowl in too early to enjoy the abundant horse chestnuts here. I've long taken a leaf out of Archibald Belaney's book. Since I'm an ex-Mick and it's St.Pat's Day, for the record, his ophidophobic ostracism is something I put down as a black mark against the saintly blighter. As an act of ethnohistorical reparation, I have become the local snake rescuer, by the way, phoned to pick them up and remove them to safe bushland when they curl up near neighbours' doors. CheersNishidani (talk) 19:09, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nishidani, being as cultured as an aristocat isn't gonna save you from the justice of the ~~mob~~ masses. So, when I say brace yourself, I'm chiefly talking about the chipmunks' tiny guillotines — i.e. takes a while before the choppy-choppy (Chinese racism connotations unintended!) is done! El_C 20:45, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Death by a thousand comic cuts? But as an orientalist with a background in the martial arts, you should warn your chipmunks that I am a dab hand at 筷子剣道 with a swordsmanship only equaled by puss in boots, the real aristocat. I'm just a hardscrabble aristocrapNishidani (talk)

Nishidani, this isn't a Kung Fu fantasy movie, with the magic and the flying. One (three) word: tiny armour columns! El_C 11:35, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Story: back in the old country, my cat took on a Palestine Viper on two separate occasions and triumphed both times. She was the best!

El_C 20:56, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

God's grief. Even your cat can't shrug off the lessons of Genesis? Nishidani (talk) 21:11, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Now I'm thinking about Yoninah (Genesis, not cat-related), again. Where is she, indeed, Gerda?

El_C 11:35, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I broke you the sad news yesterday, next to the synagogue pic. Will write a different psalm article in her memory. On her talk or on Google, look for "Touching the World of Angels" (and "Yonina"). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:01, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I didn't pick up on it (obviously). No words. El_C 12:25, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

... so I had to write for the Signpost - today: Bach's cantata composed for today, - perhaps listen. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:46, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I'm listening to it how? (No direct link.) El_C 15:34, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ask MarnetteD who was listening when typing ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:15, 25 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Psalm 125 please, only 5 verses! - Did you find music? DYK that it became FA yesterday? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:34, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, I didn't know how to find it. It's nice, I like it. Thanks! As for Pslams, did you not see that I did 124-150 as requested (on March 23)? 125 is good to go! No, I did not know. Congrats on like, what, the millionth FA?

El_C 12:04, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

DYK how I found it: ask google for "BWV 1", as difficult as that ;) - I wonder if you'd like the faster version that appears first better. - WOW for having done all those Hebrew psalms, - no, I missed it, and didn't you see that for many, we have them already, thanks to Yoninah? I'll do one by one. - What I saw and admired - with great sadness - was the beauty of this. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:16, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh! I guess I misunderstood your request. Still, it was time well spent, so I have no redundancy regrets. What do you mean Google? There's lots of https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=BWV+1+cantana — a couple of which I've already listened to... Indeed, sad. Hopefully, he'll come back, if not soon, one day. El_C 12:29, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Why should he? You mentioned time well spent. Next time arbitration calls me I'll also not participate. Time not well spent. To my limited observation, always, sadly. - On that brighter side: I didn't count FAs, but none last year, and this one was hard. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:40, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I thought you were Giano'ing it up. Was probably confusing DYK/RD with FA, though.¯\_(ツ)_/¯ El_C 12:45, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Giano will get flowers for dreams. 12 FAs - I looked. Dreaming of Innisfree Garden, just to show the image, - I tried on DYK, twice. Yoninah would have accepted. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:03, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

to get serious: ... and the first performance was on a Palm Sunday which is today, and Yoninah's obituary today with the beginning of Passover - putting some little ego-battles in perspective --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

... and today is the day I want to be praised for having been able to suppress the urge to thank for the TFA ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:33, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda, two things before I go back into the Void to resume my slumber. First, please don't mention SchroCat on my talk page (even as a hint in whimsy) — it makes me feel uncomfortable. Secondly, I've no stamina for uphill battles right now, despite my strong feelings about certain recent and/or developing events of note. And that's that. I gotta do what's best for me, and by extension, the project — they're one and the same. El_C 15:01, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't refer to any user, was just proud of remembering. How about a line from a psalm for praise? Psalm 69? The next to be expanded. The term "little ego-battles" (if you mean that) was coined by Antandrus in a very general way, and used in February: "You know what I like most about Wikipedia, ultimately? It gives stuff away for free. All our little ego-battles blow away in the wind. They're nothing. The articles remain." Amen. Also very generally: I was in no battle on our dear project, - any claim ty the contrary would need a reliable source (... and don't tell me that arbs are such a thing). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:14, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for what you said on Yoninah's talk, seen only now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:16, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Of course [Yoninah]. Erm, sorry, but that "pride" is Off Pudding for me [SchroCat subterfuge]. As to What Is This (show more for lyrics} — an institutional shift? An establishment-dissident re/alignment ? Strange times. Strange dreams [The Thing]. El_C 18:16, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

("pride"??? as if it was bad to be proud of no battles? My attempts were Motezuma (where I was called disruptive first time ever), Sparrow Mass (where I was called a warrior first time ever, for installing the consensus version weeks after an edit war of others) and Siegfried (opera). SC had nothing to do with any of it, nor was he even a party to the arbcase. Completely different cinema.) Today is the first day after beginning expansion of Psalm 69 without Hebrew text. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:06, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda's April corner

wild garlic

You may be interested in the TFA on Easter Sunday that played a role in my life! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:28, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. Those who have fallen live on in us, in our memories and love. Blessed Easter to you, Gerda. El_C 17:10, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, happened! - Psalm 115 in Hebrew, please? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:44, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see ;) - I read my watchlist backwards. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:49, 7 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

DYK that we had a beautiful Main page on 10 April? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:09, 11 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On this day in 1742, He was despised was performed for the first time, and when I wrote it in 2012, I didn't only think of Jesus. Andreas Scholl sang that for us, - you are invited to a Baroque stroll. - Next: Psalm 116, please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:29, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Quality_Article_Improvement/Psalms#116. El_C 13:51, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent! Will start today then! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:56, 13 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Today: an article about music significant in my life, Bach's motet Jesu, mein Freude, with a long way from the start in 2006 to the Main page today ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:57, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

DYKongrats!

El_C 09:08, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, really? I failed a GA nom, twice, and it took the better editor to make GA possible. (Just look at that longest talk page for any Bach composition in memory.) It's my piece of defiance not only against death and fear but also arbcom, DYK? - I opened a peer review. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:31, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm lost (obviously). El_C 10:00, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What do you find if you click on "DYK"? - And what do you find if you visit the article's talk page? - The original defiance happened here. It's short for the lyrics that begin "Defiance to the old dragon, defiance to death, and to fear on top. World, rage and leap. I stand here and sing, in safe tranquility." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:35, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

More like lost the thread due to inattention.¯\_(ツ)_/¯ World, rage and leap — I like that! El_C 13:44, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I knew that! listen! The raging is when you only hear the basses grumbling, and last word is "brummen", the sound that bears and bumble bees make, imitated by all. Great fun to do! If only we could. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:07, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Will do. Also: bears and bumble bees — intrigued. El_C 14:11, 16 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Could you give Hebrew to Psalm 104, please. In the news. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:04, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Quality_Article_Improvement/Psalms#104. El_C 21:18, 17 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Great! Almost 13k views for the Psalm yesterday, imagine. Too bad I was out all day, and only few will have seen it in more splendour, with Hebrew. Did you read there that someone found it worth studying Hebrew for 10 years to read it in the original? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:32, 18 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You may have seen it already on my talk: Psalm 118 is the one for today. (Psalm 86 tomorrow) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:49, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, I haven't seen it, but will get right on it. El_C 11:24, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda: 118, 86 — now

Done. El_C 11:52, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fruit of you labour: memories on the Main page today, Psalm 115 thinking of Yoninah, Christa Ludwig and Milva, - voices that made the Earth a better place. Sad that the psalm hook didn't appear on Earth Day as planned, but better pictured and late than going unnoticed ;) - Will work on Psalm 68 when done with the mezzo. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:49, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gerda's May corner

Enjoy two ladies today, one played in an iconic film, the other sang in the premiere of a famous opera, with her husband-to-be ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:47, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nice share. I'll have me some of that Franz Liszt clout! Also, I do seem to recall discussing and possibly also watching Under the Pavement Lies the Strand, but I don't remember if it was in a German history or history of feminism course (hazy memory)... El_C 09:55, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's great sharing with you, actually looking - the soprano made it to the stats, imagine! even Liszt got 3k+ hits - my talk got interesting with people meeting while I was working, did you see? I switched back to the April pic, because the wild garlic is in full bloom as I saw yesterday, and chamomile didn't even begin. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:01, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I look (mostly)! For sure, Chipmunk Season being upon us sure is nice. Anyway, you know what they (I) say: It Don't Mean a Thing (If It Ain't Got That Swing)! [Set up] → Doo-Wap [Punch line]. El_C 10:37, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fine! Look ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:26, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not looking! El_C 11:29, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't say listen, but look ;) - Look at the talk: it has the whole sad story of the infobox wars in a nutshell (including that a friend's RfA failed because of her comments on said page), and I think - after all the trouble we've seen - we just reached the happy ending. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:35, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, it was infobox-relatd? Boo! And Grr...

El_C 10:44, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What in the word "happy ending" did you not understand? There seems no need to ever mention that topic again now. - I came to ask for Hebrew for Psalm 95. - Miss SlimVirgin. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:59, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Today: Kammermusik (Hindemith), - don't miss caricature, "badboy" and the review! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:52, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Today: Thomas Fritsch, the German voice of Diego in Ice Age. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:04, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Today: pictured white and blue - birthday of a friend whose name was in the credits for Ice Age, if you waited a while --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:37, 28 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Today: the lead DYK, "useless but meaningful", or a dream-com-true pictured --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:23, 30 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Joke Singh

Just FYI - Immediately after your one week protection of Joke Singh expired, newly registered editors were back to vandalising it. I posted the page at WP:RPP. Thanks. 10mmsocket (talk) 08:28, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Already protected by administrator Malinaccier. El_C 23:14, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:YashPratap1912

Hello. I have an old one for you. You blocked this user back in August 2020. They were advised of the standard offer the next day by another admin. See User talk:YashPratap1912#Standard offer

They have been asking for an unblock and getting ignored for some time now. They seem to have expressed an understanding as to why they were blocked and made a clear promise not to engage in the same behavior. They have also described areas that they intend to edit in. They have also gone well over 6 months without visible problematic behavior.

I have had a checkuser confirm that there is no technical evidence of evasion in the last 6 months.

Before doing anything I wanted to consult with you. My understanding is that they were blocked for misusing multiple accounts, possibly in a deletion discussion, though I am having trouble finding the discussion in question. Perhaps you remember the details?

I want to make sure there was nothing egregious like death threats or extended block evasion or anything else that would preclude the standard offer. I also want to know how you personally feel about the matter.

If they are unblocked I will be monitoring their talk page for troubles and have already informed them that they can be reblocked if there is any trouble. Thank you for your time. HighInBC ^{Need help? Just ask.} 22:52, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey. No, sorry, I am unable to recollect the details there. Maybe Prax remembers, as she's the one who filed the report in question... Regards, El_C 23:14, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That is okay, I can piece it together from there. Have a great day. HighInBC ^{Need help? Just ask.} 23:19, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, sounds good. Am a bit in transit atm, so writing in haste — I was only able to glance at the thing. El_C 23:38, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Jalen Green protection

Hi El C, thanks for protecting Jalen Green. I noted that you only protected it until July 3. Given that it has already been protected once this year and was the target of vandalism by multiple IPs in the last few days, none of which will be over until he is actually drafted, I ask that you extend protection until after the NBA draft.--User:Namiba 13:34, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh, obviously, I can't tell time. And I think now I've gone too far (Sept. 6). Well, gah, I'm done touching it. Obviously, I lack the competence in which to do so!

El_C 13:39, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! You may want to keep an eye on Evan Mobley as well. I found someone snuck-in draft speculation as well.--User:Namiba 14:27, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, sure, I guess. Recommended length? El_C 14:37, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I recommend August 1, which is two days after the upcoming NBA draft.--User:Namiba 14:39, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Shit, I fucked it up again.

El_C 14:41, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:Billy Goober introduced a deliberate factual error into Cade Cunningham after you added the protection. Looking at their talk page, it seems that this is their MO. Could you block them?--User:Namiba 15:47, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked indefinitely. El_C 18:10, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User Лобачев Владимир malicious activity at article Pahonia and Moldavia

@El C: Hi, once again... This disruptive user Лобачев Владимир simply refuses to give up and wants to start a new edit warring at article Pahonia by reinserting already removed information (HIS EDIT). You gave a warning to stop such malicious activity at this article, but he clearly doesn't care. Can he be finally blocked for his malicious activity? Otherwise, he will obviously perform it again and again, and again because he doesn't care about warnings. He has also recently performed edit warring at article Moldavia (here is warning to him for 3RR rule violation). He was also warned for disruptive editing already in 2018 (warning from his talk page). Please finally stop this disruptive user who constantly provokes edit warring and violates various rules of Wikipedia. -- Pofka (talk) 14:05, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Sorry, but I'd rather not follow up on this single-handedly at this time. Recommend filing a report at a noticeboard of your choosing — feel free to link it for me here (I may or may not comment there, we'll see). El_C 14:11, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@El C: I created a report about him here: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Лобачев_Владимир_reported_by_User:Pofka_(Result:_). Since you encountered his disruptive activity as well, your opinion would be very welcome. -- Pofka (talk) 19:45, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That report would be beyond too long for WP:AN/WP:ANI (and, if it was at WP:AE's, it'd be several times its 500-word limit), not to mention WP:AN3, where reports are generally a quarter of the size (if that). Recommend you trim and condense to a very significant extent. Finally, you've left several of the report's mandatory parameters blank (maybe they're answered in the lengthy body, I dunno). In short, this is a highly problematic report. El_C 20:46, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@El C: Well, I wished to show how systematic his edit warring is. He only edits Russia-related topics and attacks other countries. Truly disruptive user when he attempts to edit non-Russian topics. I shortened my initial report and your opinion is certainly welcome there: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Лобачев_Владимир_reported_by_User:Pofka_(Result:_). -- Pofka (talk) 22:16, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Block this user

User talk:Amaan4210 he is removing sourced content continuously without explaining, you can check Pakistan article, I request you to please stop his disruptive edit and block him... Sumit (talk) 05:07, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sumit, looking into it. El_C 12:39, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Sumit (talk) 12:41, 24 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fidesz

Hey, I'd like to you look at Fidesz, it seems like the page is under attack by a sockpuppet named SmalforaGiant, a lot of information was added without previous consensus on the talk page. I did revert their edits but some unknown user has reverted them back. I've RPPed the page just in case but again I need someone to take a look. There was also a sockpuppet investigation launched 3 days ago by Martopa here since three different IPs with same edits have been doing this on a couple of different pages. Cheers, --Vacant0 (talk) 13:32, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Sorry, but I'm not accepting requests of that nature at this time. Regards, El_C 13:41, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's alright, is there somebody else I can contact regarding this issue? --Vacant0 (talk) 13:46, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, no one specific comes to mind — I'm afraid it's likely to be the usual venues. El_C 13:48, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Got it, no problem. --Vacant0 (talk) 13:56, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am probably gonna get to your RfPP request very soon, though. El_C 13:58, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I appreciate it!

--Vacant0 (talk) 14:02, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ma al-'Aynayn

Hi El C. could you please have a word with Marmandie? Basically, they kept adding nonsensical material to the Ma al-'Aynayn article and edit warring over it. My attempts at trying to explain to them that what they are doing is nonsensical made no difference and now they are adding irrelevant/nationalist content to the article. Thanks. M.Bitton (talk) 14:08, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I mean, at a glance, while it is rather poorly-written and poorly-integrated into the existing prose, I'm not sure it goes beyond a content dispute that should be resolved on the article talk page. Feel free to get a 2nd opinion, though. Regards, El_C 14:15, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's WP:SYNTH (the whole thing is unsourced and unattributable). That being said, I'll think about it. Regards, M.Bitton (talk) 14:30, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't necessarily disagree, but speaking for myself (only), I think it'd probably be better to get all that on the article talk page-record, rather than have an admin force it away by fiat. Best, El_C 14:54, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good idea. I will copy and paste that discussion on the article's talk page. Regards, M.Bitton (talk) 15:02, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You look like a man who realizes Canada's residential schools are defunct

Wanna help with a persistent main page error? Just seven bytes to you, but "former" is a powerful word for us. And nice to hear for native Minnesotans, too, probably. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:37, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I dunno, maybe I'm ESL'ing up the flow of it, but my read is that "site of" could be seen to imply that, without the former. In any case, I wouldn't feel confident enough to amend it single-handedly, so it's probably best to gauge the views of other WP:ITNC participants and go from there... El_C 21:55, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There are no participants to gauge at Errors, just me waiting. A site is where something is, and a former site is where it was, trust me. Regardless of whether you accept this mission, it's solid English (for physical things, anyway, event sites are forever). InedibleHulk (talk) 22:12, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure I understand. I count six other participants in the WP:ERRORS thread and many more in the ITNC one... Sorry, feeling a bit missioned-out today. El_C 22:25, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Three were talking about a topically related but different error, and three about a Florida condo. But no worries. Someone else will either do it or it simply won't be done. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:32, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that got a tad bit trubulent —glad I stayed away, then— but it looks like your formula persevered. And as for me, I learned nothing! El_C 18:39, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Damn. I'd have guessed the roles reversed, Stephen for "former school" and Brad for "former site". But at least I didn't have to resort to correcting either of them! You made the right choice, for sure. Thanks for nothing, not even sarcastically! InedibleHulk (talk) 18:57, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I live to give! El_C 20:03, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And I'd rather die than use this browser's YouTube! But yeah, seems impressive from this side. I'll remember that video ID, and thank or criticize you for it later, whatever is appropriate. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:12, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Finland...

So sorry! El_C 00:19, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(←) It was fun while it lasted... now you're just randomly apologizing to Finland for reasons unknown! DanCherek (talk) 02:47, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

And that's when I realized that I would have to use my dancing technique to win this match... El_C 03:55, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Michaelm

Did you not ban User:Michaelm? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moxy (talk • contribs)

Hmm. I guess I didn't click the sitewide button, now

Done. El_C 13:32, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

British royal family

"I've semi'd British royal family for 2 weeks due to a serious influx (the reasons for which I'm unsure about)."

I assume you don't follow the British red tops? They're in one of their periodical feeding frenzies, for reasons I have no interest at all in trying to understand. As usual, it's basically uninformed he said/she said speculation. The Forgers' Gazette has even been running a series on new explanations for the Death of Diana, traditionally the preserve of the Daily Excrement. Narky Blert (talk) 21:00, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, I'm more of an Independent man myself, truth be told. The funny thing about the Daily Express is that Google News indexes its nonsense to me like it's crack! Doesn't matter which English-language version (US/UK/CAN/OZ/NZ) — I never, ever visit it, yet it still doesn't leave me be. Only on the Hebrew version do I get some reprieve. One's interest in certain publications can ebb and flow. For example, when I was a kid, Davar would bore me to tears, but now I can't do without it. Some publications, though, the trees weep. El_C 21:58, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

J. Wellington Wimpy

Could ye take a look at the history please. Cheers! ——Serial 12:25, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked – for a period of one month. Cue the usual I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today — what, it's Wed.! El_C 12:31, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I literally have to go out and buy burgers now. ——Serial 12:33, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I had one yesterday for dinner (for real). El_C 12:35, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A quick video clip for any talk page watchers unfamiliar with the phrase :-) El C that just means you have 6 days to save up your pennies. Gads I am so old I remember when a couple burger franchises would have "10 burgers for 25 cents" deals on a Tuesday :-P MarnetteD|Talk 12:37, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

As I've grown older, I've become more of a burger snob, I'll confess that much... I still remember when Burgeranch was first introduced to me back in the homeland. Paradigm shift. El_C 12:41, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Rojava Protection (?)

Hello, what is the exact reason of Rojava page protection update? I don't demand decrease. BerkBerk68 (talk) 21:28, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey. In answer to your query: there was, like, a dozen reverts in the span of a day or two. As I noted at RfPP (diff), I am open to downgrading in the not too distant future. Regards, El_C 09:35, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Okay thanks BerkBerk68 (talk) 10:34, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Check this article

Hello, I want that you see this article once and if I or someone else has made a mistake in editing it, then correct it.(Article- Hajipur ) I want to make this article better, its an request... Thank you... ItsSkV08 (talk) 03:42, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Sorry, but this isn't a subject matter with which I am familiar. Perhaps participants at WP:IN would be willing to lend a hand...? Regards, El_C 09:38, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cr1TiKaL

Hey i see you semi protected Cr1TiKaL and i just wanted to thank you for it. My question is can you make the protection permanent like other youtubers because it seems the protection expires in September. Thank you. MrMclovin (talk) 04:12, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, MrMclovin (great username, btw!). For sure, you're welcome, glad I could help. However, that page isn't a candidate for indef semi at this time. With there only having been 2-3 protection actions, there would have to be some rather exceptional circumstances and/or egregious misconduct to justify such a measure. If anything, with Charlie's YouTube channel approaching 10 mil, he's more of a public figure than some lesser known living persons, whom, due to their notability being more borderline, are more likely to be indef semi'd upon request (again, barring the exceptional stuff). I'll also note that being a YouTuber (or any internet content creator) isn't really a metric in this regard. Finally, for context, I've indef semi'd more than one page that, literally, had tens of previous protections (not that I'm suggesting that here, or in general). Welcome to the project! Regards, El_C 09:51, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for explaining. MrMclovin (talk) 02:14, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Evyatar page protection request

Hi El C, I saw that you declined the page protection request for Evyatar as pre-emptive. I completely agree that is pre-emptive, but respectfully disagree with that as a reason not to protect the page. My understanding of the Arbitration Committee rulings on the Israel-Palestine conflict is that articles related to the conflict are supposed to be given pre-emptive 500/30 protection. Evyatar is an Israeli outpost in the West Bank, which makes it a prime candidate for this protection. If I have misunderstood the rulings then please accept my apologies. RoanokeVirginia (talk) 13:41, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RoanokeVirginia, years back, I preemptively protected tens of ARBPIA pages (well over a hundred), mostly in one fell swoop. This preemptive protection of ARBPIA pages was the prevailing practice at the time. But, a couple of years after that, a consensus emerged among several of us admins who were most active at RfPP to not do that anymore, which has been the prevailing practice ever since. Perhaps it's worth asking the Committee to clarify whether that's okay...? If it isn't, I'll likely just be ignoring these requests rather than declining them outright. Regards, El_C 13:49, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the prompt and informative response. I think asking the Committee would be a good idea as the rulings summary page could be more explicit on this, but I am not sure how to go about this, any guidance or help would be greatly appreciated. RoanokeVirginia (talk) 14:30, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Happy to do that myself. If I've yet to do so by, say, Monday — remind me. Regards, El_C 16:33, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RoanokeVirginia, just noting that the settlement was vacated without incident today (diff), and, not to jinx it, also without incident here on Wikipedia. El_C 16:10, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Protecting versus blocking

This is regarding Manticore (talk · contribs), and why I didn't full-protect the article instead of partially blocking the two editors reverting each other.

Before partial blocks existed, I would have protected. Nobody likes to be blocked. Even though I know that blocks are only ever placed to prevent disruption and are never punishment and never personal, they still brass people off, because they stay as a permanent record on your user log for ever and ever, with all context for them stripped away.

However, not all administrators agree with this approach. For example, in Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Robert McClenon 2, Iridescent wrote "This [protecting instead of blocking] is directly contrary to both established Wikipedia policy and to custom and practice, in which the only occasions full protection should be considered as a response to a content dispute are multi-party disputes in which so many people are involved that blocking is not a realistic option—remember, every time you protect a page you're preventing everyone from editing it, not just the people involved in the dispute." Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 14:05, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ritchie333, no, that's not right for this case. If I see someone making three reverts like that (i.e. in relative isolation), I fully-protect the page to prevent them from reverting a 4th time and running foul of WP:3RR. Because, in this case, who cares if the bio of some Slovakian sprinter is protected for a day along with some innocuous protection log entry (which does not single any one individual by name). But a block log is for life. El_C 16:00, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

July corner

Last year's flowers match the image on the user page nicely, see? - DYK that her last reply to me was in a thread Green for hope? - The DYK set for Yoninah will appear tomorrow, including Psalm 85, with the kiss of justice and peace. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:09, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Gerda. It means a lot. El_C 13:20, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Can you help us to the Hebrew for Psalm 123? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:44, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Got it: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Quality_Article_Improvement/Psalms#123. El_C 20:04, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, I must have saved an old version - and didn't notice. Restored, I hope. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:09, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Happy again!

El_C 20:10, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Relief! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:39, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

sad to wake up to see that brave Uses x gone --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:22, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Same. I fucked up the count and now it's... shit. El_C 14:27, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Shit happens. Music happens. On the Main page now: "my" school. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:28, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Big applause! 👏 El_C 15:35, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I didn't perform, just listened, applauded and took a few applause pics, the cutest not published because she whirled too much. - Can you please perform your magic for Psalm 7? I have no idea what the article says, about literature use and arrows. Do you understand that? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Got it. No, I don't understand it, nor do I get why a sermon would be called "literature." Pretty weird. Nice, glad the music soared. El_C 01:37, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for looking, - much of it will go then, but I'm behind with many things because the music soared for too long ;) - Do you know it? A duet says "O namenlose Freude" - O joy beyond words, and a quartet "Mir ist - so wun- - derbar" - no idea how to translate, and the four have VERY different outlooks, with the same melody. (A girl falling in love with a woman disguised as a man, girl's father and young man who hoped to marry her until this happened.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:29, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, I don't know it, but sounds interesting. About 7, I'm gonna change the weird "literature" subheading, at the very least. Will do so mmentarily. El_C 11:39, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fine! - More music: 2 songs, the morning song - about rising from being down, in more than one sense - is a GA, - there should be more given my initials, but I also want to care for articles of those who recently died (now Esther Béjarano). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:45, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Right, I remember reading about Esther Béjarano's passing in the Israeli press. *** Nice! But what is this? A songspam competition? Because I'd be winning (well, spam-wise, at least!). El_C 16:53, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Could you add from Hebrew obits? - Go win, I just found it funny that - after a long pause - 2 songs were on DYK the same day. With Yoninah at her desk, that would not have happened ;) - Translation competition perhaps. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:57, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, there's nothing too noteworthy that I've seen in Israeli media (just quickly checked now), be it in Hebrew or English, that significantly adds to what's was already written about her in the existing cited sources... El_C 17:06, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Request

I need some help to really leave for my own health, which is not compatible with the en.wp environment. My request: please delete all my empty user-space pages, permanently block me, including throughout my own user space and protect my user space against edits by non-admins. Otherwise, please point me to where I might find an admin who might be prepared to do so. —Quondum 11:00, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Very sorry to see you go, Quondum, but of course your health comes first. Please ping me if and/or when you're ready to come back. And thank you. Thank you for all that you've done to keep science honest on the project. Best wishes and kind regards, El_C 13:25, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to see you are still around!

Don't know why, but I seem to recall a while back seeing a "semi-retired" banner on your page. Great to see that it is not so. Rui ''Gabriel'' Correia (talk) 14:22, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your kind sentiment, Gabriel, I appreciate that. But, no, I've never used a retired/semi-retired banner before. Best, El_C 14:28, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Update

I know you're "not taking requests" at the moment, but since you're more involved in the issue of Volunteer Marek's behavior than anyone else,[3][4][5] I'm keeping you appraised:

18:47, 27 April 2021 Falsely accuses an editor of canvassing
18:20, 18 June 2021 False aspersions,[6] which he then repeats throughout the discussion[7]
18:25, 18 June 2021 Insult and false aspersions (and he's wrong about the count)
19:40, 18 June 2021 Insult (also wrong [8])
01:04, 19 June 2021 Asked to avoid making accusations in edit summaries
14:17, 19 June 2021 Asked to AGF
18:20, 19 June 2021 False accusation[9]
19:37, 19 June 2021, 19:39, 19 June 2021, 19:52, 19 June 2021 PAs, Aspersions and insults
01:35, 21 June 2021 False accusations[10]
08:08, 28 June 2021 False accusation[11]
08:00, 7 July 2021 Again with Icewhiz

That's five editors, two ANIs[12][13] and a lot of time wasted, when his actual contribution to these articles is close to nil.[14][15][16]

Cheers. François Robere (talk) 11:21, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

François Robere, I guess I should emphasize that I'm definitely not taking requests right now that are gonna depress me! Regards, El_C 12:07, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protection

Hey, El C. Hope you're well. The museum article which the new account added doesn't discuss at all Androutsos's origin - not one word - and they removed a source which discussed their origin. The other new account which is doing the same thing is Mercurius1 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). They're adding random sources to articles and claiming Greek origin for Byzantine emperors, but the sources don't propose Greek origin; in fact they discuss non-Greek backgrounds[17][18][19][20][21][22] It should have been mentioned in the summary that their activity is part of a broader behavioral pattern across many articles by specific new accounts and there is no "correct version" to protect, but I still feel that such behavior by new accounts shouldn't get any presence on live versions. These accounts know that their edits will get verified and will get removed sooner or later. The validation they're seeking is to keep their "work" online as much as possible.--Maleschreiber (talk) 12:25, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Maleschreiber. Doing alright, thanks for asking. The thing is that the museum piece in question does mention his father as such, so, I'm confused why it's disputed (the source, the info, etc.). As for the now-expanded rest, it's getting a bit too complicated for my liking, tbh... Regards, El_C 12:40, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's not disputed that it mentions the names of his father and mother - a source about them was already in the stable version. The new account was trying to use it as a source which suggests that his father is Arvanite, but his mother isn't. This particular source doesn't mention his parents' origins, but the one he removed calls Androutsos an Arvanite. It's the reason why they wanted to remove & replace it[23].

Side comment: To be able to reliably remove these sources, I searched through 2,000+ pages. When you have to repeat the same unpleasant activity over and over again and you realize that the result is going to be the same every time, it becomes difficult to maintain procedural standards (use of talkpage, informative edit summaries). --Maleschreiber (talk) 12:50, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is not an area with which I'm familiar with (never heard of Arvanites), and it is difficult to follow, not least in a venue such as RfPP. So, unless, you find an admin familiar with the subject matter enough to apply WP:ACDS directly, a more comprehensive report in a noticeboard may be needed. Or run an RfC, I dunno. It's difficult to review, in any case. Regards, El_C 12:58, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Side comment #2: The museum article was copied from Greek wikipedia ("Wikipedia" on the bottom of the page). I understand that you may not be able to review the issue. I'll move the discussion to the talkpage and when the protection expires, I'll do all necessary cleanup. And I'll file a report at SPI.--Maleschreiber (talk) 13:08, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh — that's not a side note! That makes it a simple WP:CIRCULAR matter. Sure, sounds good. Regards, El_C 13:12, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Side comment #3: As my second year as a contributor/editor/user comes to a close, I'm still surprised at how supposedly curated websites of academic and cultural institutions routinely copy their content from wikipedia, but wikipedia is considered to be less "prestigious" than them. It seems that social capital does reflect real capital after all.--Maleschreiber (talk) 13:25, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Maleschreiber, I think that conundrum stems from those (institutions, etc.) doing the refactoring not understanding that Wikipedia pages are constantly being maintained. Being, on average, at any point in time, roughly accurate is not good enough for factual precision. The likely error rate is too high for that usage. By our RS rules, they could use a non-open tertiary source like Britannica, because its editors are professionally vetted. Of course, that does not mean the corresponding Greek Wikipedia page is wrong (if it says that). Its content, including sources, may be refactored here (with attribution). Hope that makes sense. Regards, El_C 13:35, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Continuing sockpuppetry at Melinda French Gates

Hi El C, another IP has repeated the name change on Melinda French Gates that led you to protect the page a few days ago, shortly after the protection expired today. Can you renew the protection? ― Tartan357 ^Talk 00:06, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey. Got it. Thanks for letting me know. Regards, El_C 00:27, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, Tartan357, as of a few months ago, MusikBot II will add/remove the pp- tags (if you give it 5-10 min) — though it isn't sophisticated enough to add custom ones like pp-blp, pp-sock, etc. Regards, El_C 00:40, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

El C, I'm aware—I just like to do it, especially when a custom one can be used. Thanks, though. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 00:54, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Go on then, Gooby's blessings upon you. El_C 01:11, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RI Driving School

LOL what exactly do they think they'll get out of a spam edit summary. SMDH. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 13:17, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Responsible spammers will always provide a descriptive edit summary! El_C 14:25, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Myanmar protection request

Hi El C, could you semi-protect List of presidents of Myanmar? Thanks. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 02:11, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done. El_C 02:17, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Kosovo

The Battle of Kosovo article was semi-protected indefinitely a few days ago due to disruption by IPs. Since then, there have been new rounds of reverting cycles. Today, new user Istinar breached WP:3RR by making 4 reverts. Can you keep an eye on the article or put a short full-protection, or maybe place a short message on that editor's tp? To be clear, I am not involved in the current dispute, just have the article on my watchlist. Ktrimi991 (talk) 13:09, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've p-blocked for the 3RR breach. El_C 13:15, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your intervention. Partial blocks are very helpful and effective in such cases. I wonder why they did not exist years ago, when only "full blocks" were possible. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 13:21, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder why haven't you reported other users who deleted sources, made major changes to controversial topic without any prior discussion or are inserting trivial data to promote their countrymen while diminishing significance of others? No need to answer, I think I know why. Istinar (talk) 14:48, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

User:Istinar

I just noticed that you blocked Istinar (talk · contribs) from a page in the WP:ARBMAC space. They have also recently added a fair bit of toxicity at Talk:Denial of the genocide of Serbs in the Independent State of Croatia, so you might want to examine applying more sanctions to enforce the rules of decorum. I am involved, because I tried to reason with them; silly me. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 19:52, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Joy, having glanced at that talk page, I feel that I'm probably not versed enough in the subject matter to be able act with any confidence at this time. Maybe if you were to break it down to a cogent WP:AE report...? Intuitively, it sure looks like they're on a TBAN course (also factoring their response on my talk page earlier today), but I've been wrong before (to put it mildly). Regards, El_C 21:01, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The irony is that "Istinar" means "truth-teller", while on Battle of Kosovo they tried to push a POV similar to the infamous nationalistic narrative of the Milosevic era that all "important" participants in the anti-Ottoman side were Serbs, or at least no "important" Albanian was there. Given that, two blocks in 5 months after less than 100 edits on Wiki is no coincidence. I hope they reflect, or a topic ban will not be far away. It is a pity Balkan topics continue to lose editors for frivolous reasons. Idk if @Peacemaker67: has sth to say. Ktrimi991 (talk) 22:39, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's not really about the content dispute, I'm more concerned about this edit where they clearly cast aspersions, accuse me of taking sides because it's somehow "my" government etc (describing a period of about 30-40 years), of lying because I truthfully translated their glaringly contentious username, and of anti-Serb bias without any evidence whatsoever because I told them their contributions already show that they're not here to build an encyclopedia. This goes way beyond what is normal to say in a content dispute. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 07:46, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Joy, thanks for the explanation. Indeed, I agree that this is likely sanctionable conduct, so I'll start with a logged warning. Will get right on it. Regards, El_C 11:42, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously NOTHERE: instead of listening to advice, made a sock account to evade the block [24]. Ktrimi991 (talk) 13:04, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'll let a CU confirm, but regardless, Istinitost

Blocked indefinitely. El_C 13:18, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Also, that maybe should be deleted from public view. Ktrimi991 (talk) 13:20, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it's all wrapped up. El_C 13:23, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again. I did not notice you had already deleted those diffs from public view. Ktrimi991 (talk) 13:26, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Zakir Naik

I was going to do a full protection on this as many of the accounts involved are 500+ but it's a nightmare and I didn't want to protect the wrong version!! There's been canvassing on and off en-wiki (one sided, from what I see currently) on this article as is seen here. I also placed a canvass banner on the talk page discussion which has more drive by participation on both sides. I blocked a couple of accounts (one incorrectly as sock, it was an off-wiki canvassed meatpuppet) Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Emdad Tafsir/Archive. There's another really old sock farm on the other side too, with a couple of recently blocked socks. Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Rajputbhatti/Archive. —SpacemanSpiff 13:16, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

SpacemanSpiff, by all means, please feel free to adjust the protection as you see fit. Happy to leave it with you. El_C 13:19, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, I was hoping to leave it with you! —SpacemanSpiff 14:17, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hot potato! Whose hungy? El_C 14:18, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the version needs to be corrected too. On talk page, only Xpert3 has defended the current version, while other two canvassed editors,[25][26] have done nothing other than attacks on the article and me. While 4 editors have validly raised concern against this whitewashing campaign. NavjotSR (talk) 05:20, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

NavjotSR, by all means, correct away. I mean, it's not like you're prohibited from doing so, especially seeing as SpacemanSpiff blocked Xpërt3 for disruption that included repeated WP:CANVASSING (after warning). El_C 12:07, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey navjyot ? I did nothing ? This is not a white washing campaign . It's not someone's personal blog , this is Wikipedia we have to maintain the neutrality which your article was unable to . Please don't do this Maaz143 (talk) 21:03, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's not spam

Next round's on me! Drink *responsively.* El_C 21:07, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's postmodern multimedia deconstructive commentary. E Eng 20:39, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's what William Hogarth said back in the 1700s... El_C 21:07, 9 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2022 Punjab Legislative Assembly election

Hi El C. You WP:GOLD protected 2022 Punjab Legislative Assembly election for a week at the end of June, but the same editors have returned to reverting each other now that the protection has worn out. One of the editors involved did post something on the article talk page, but that never got a response and only led to more reverts. Would you mind taking a look at this again? Perhaps a "last warning" from an administrator to those involved might finally encourage them to start discussing their differences instead of just reverting each other. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:19, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know, Marchjuly. Tentatively trying to figure out what's what, but I dunno... maybe I'm just not thinking that sharp today (almost certainly). But seeing as Ed is also on the scene, I'm optimistic. Regards, El_C 11:09, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for taking a look. I don't really know anything about the subject matter; so, I can't really say who's in the "right" so to speak. I still had the article on my watchlist from the last time, and only noticed the back-and-forth reverting had started up again. Perhaps now that others are involved in trying to sort things out (the most recent revert was made by someone else who left an edit summary encouraging discussion), things will settle down a bit and be resolved on the talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:56, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think I was able to sort it out, Marchjuly. I've now issued an indef p-block, which I think resolves the matter. Regards, El_C 02:35, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Their response to the p-block seems to indicate that it was the right thing to do. Maybe that was just posted in the heat of the moment, but time will tell if that's really the case. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:47, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hell is other people... El_C 04:17, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Economy of Pakistan

Hi can you please review and fix Economy of Pakistan article since this edit [27] by @Mohammad Adnon Khan article is not showing properly on mobile version. Ytpks896 (talk) 11:55, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ytpks896, I don't use mobile for Wikipedia, so I wouldn't know what to fix. Regards, El_C 13:17, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

IP-only editor making same disruptive edit using different IP addresses

Hello. I need guidance with someone who is trying to get around the revert rule by using different addresses.
An IP editor returns periodically to List of accolades received by Carol (film) to make the same disruptive edit using a different IP address each time. It's been done 6 times as of today. I first issued a warning on 3 July 2021‎, and today a second one, 12 July 2021. This time I added the following to the template: "Whether it is as IP 2601:1c0:c700:3030:7844:6361:113b:7708 ; 2601:1c0:c700:3030:f81d:132d:b3a6:324 ; 2601:1c0:c700:3030:f88d:3db7:5498:7ce1 ; 2601:1c0:ce00:4b70:892:2fde:7119:bdd2 ; 2601:1c0:ce00:4b70:702f:48e0:c204:763 ; or now 2601:1c0:ce00:4b70:6988:a42a:30ef:9b64 — this is the same IP editor making the same disruptive edits." Never explains what row is being changed, and never explains the reason for the change. How is a one-track-mind editor like this stopped? Pyxis Solitary (yak). L not Q. 10:12, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pyxis Solitary, I don't really understand what I'm looking at, but here is the /64, so that's a legitimate way in which this ISP assigns their IPs to them. As well, I'm not sure what revert rule you're referring to, but it isn't the 3 revert rule, which is 4 reverts within a 24 hour span. How to communicate? A note on the article talk page, then link to it directly in your next edit summary. Try that maybe. But if this is a wider issue of disruption (i.e. with their edits to other film -related pages), maybe take it to WP:ANI...? Also also *whispers* not taking requests. Regards, El_C 10:39, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't want to take up too much page space, but this is what to look at:
26 May 2021 as 2601:1c0:c700:3030:7844:6361:113b:7708
30 May 2021 as 2601:1c0:c700:3030:f81d:132d:b3a6:324
12 June 2021 as 2601:1c0:c700:3030:f88d:3db7:5498:7ce1
3 July 2021 as 2601:1c0:ce00:4b70:892:2fde:7119:bdd2
3 July 2021 as 2601:1c0:ce00:4b70:702f:48e0:c204:763
12 July 2021 as 2601:1c0:ce00:4b70:6988:a42a:30ef:9b64.
No explanation about what row was changed. No explanation about why it was changed. But I do know this about the awards table: the nominations for each award are listed in accordance with how they are listed in the sources. It's obvious that this IP editor has some kind of OCD problem, but I don't believe that the integrity of an article should fall prey to personal whims or mental disorders. I don't ever approach ANI unless it's a last resort, but I guess the only way to stop the whack-a-mole leaves no other solution. Thanks for responding to my question. Best to you. Pyxis Solitary (yak). L not Q. 08:39, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciation

Thank you for how you handled the Adamant1 ani case, you could have chosen a harsher verdict but you decided to be kind about it . On their behalf I want to thank you for that. Celestina007 (talk) 14:10, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

But you used a naughty word. E Eng 14:52, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The fuck I did!

Thanks, Celestina007, I appreciate the appreciation.

El_C 15:04, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the fact that you appreciate the appreciation. ☺️ Celestina007 (talk) 21:08, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The cascade starts with a spark! ☻ El_C 21:13, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiproject

I understand the ban of the wikiproject. Can you delete all the pages related to our wikiproject? Thanks (Participants and Template link etc, I can send links if its necessary.). BerkBerk68 (talk) 20:35, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, list-away. El_C 20:49, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. [28] [29] [30] [31] [32] I guess thats all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BerkBerk68 (talk • contribs)

Cool, thanks, BerkBerk68. I appreciate the assist. El_C 21:08, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Gambling References

Please take notice and go to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Blackjack to read “Informal Motion to Remove All References Placed by Objective3000 in Blackjack, Card counting, Martingale (betting system), and Shuffle track and Wherever They May Also Appear in Wikipedia Articles to His Self-published Commercial Websites qfit and blackjackincolor and Others Not Identified.” This Notice of Informal Motion is also placed as a courtesy at the user talk pages of those who have shown interest in the subject, namely, TransporterMan, Orangemike, QFIT, El C, and Rray.

Extended content. El_C 22:24, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Informal Motion is placed, as per request by Rray, on the talk page of Blackjack and in addition on those of Card counting, Martingale (betting system), and Shuffle track.

Because El C is the user who convicted me and sentenced me (Editing from 2600:1700:5651:2780:0:0:0:0/64 has been blocked (disabled) by ‪El C‬‬), I respectfully take the liberty of providing additional information here.

Disclosures. Apparently using an IP address to contribute is a violation, so I have adopted the screen name of Aabcxyz. All my statements are supported by evidence, which I present at the said talk pages. In the comments that follow I provide additional evidence in parentheses. For the benefit of El C as well as for that of all who read this, a user has volunteered to review my comments before I post them to ensure that no further violation of wikipedia rules inadvertently occurs.

Issue #1. On June 19, El C put a stop of my editing resulting from allegations posted by Objective3000 using an ID other than Objective3000. The allegations were 1) vandalism, 2) use of multiple IP accounts, 3) a third allegation using Wikipedia jargon to which I am not familiar. This was a star chamber proceeding, not allowing a defense and not providing the identity of the plaintiff, here the accuser. Because I had removed citations to the self-published webpages of Objective3000, it was a direct conclusion that he had filed the complaint, verified by looking at his user log, in which Objective3000 used a different user ID. (Evidence: 19 June 2021 IP vandalism • Card counting (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) • Blackjack (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Temp semi-protection: Persistent vandalism. 16 or so repeated deletions in the last week by multiple related IPs. Refusal to go to TP. O3000, Ret. (talk) 14:20, 19 June 2021 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stop_x_nuvola_with_clock.svg User(s) blocked. El_C 16:23, 19 June 2021 (UTC) )

Concerning allegation 1, I removed multiple references put in place by Objective3000 (the evidence for this allegation appears at Blackjack and Card counter talk pages) as self-published web pages with commercial content. Only one other edit, to improve the quality of Blackjack was made. I considered the removal of citations one of cleansing rather than vandalism; no actual informative page content was removed. Concerning allegation 2 by Objective3000, the evidence (log of my edits at the two pages) not only does not support the allegation but DIRECTLY REFUTES IT. I can respectfully suggest that these weak and verifiably false allegations should not have passed muster for conviction.

I take note that Objection3000 uses at least two other ID’s, O3000 (Talk of Card counting, section 24, O3000 (talk) 20:34, 17 November 2017) and O3000, Ret. (User talk:Objective3000 ; O3000, Ret. (talk) 19:17, 10 January 2021 (UTC)) If an allegation of use of “multiple IP accounts” is grounds for being banned, then certainly use of three is grounds, unless there is something I don’t understand (highly likely) or the rules of Wikipedia are to be construed arbitrarily and capriciously.

I also take note that Rray had not worked on Wikipedia since May 30, 2021, when he quizzically, of the millions of articles on Wikipedia, decided to visit Blackjack and Card counting on June 14, 2021, to reverse my deletions of citations placed by Objective3000 to his self-published webpages, with the comment to “assume good faith.”

He also commented on Card counting, “These references have been here for years.” If there is a statute of limitations relevant to violations of WP:SOURCES and WP:SPS (see Issue #4 below), it might be put forth as an affirmative defense, but I have found nothing in Wikipedia rules to that effect.

Issue #2: One of my actions was to delete at Blackjack under Blackjack Literature a link placed by Objective3000 to his webpage “book.” That was reversed. On consideration, Rray validated my concern and removed the link based on “This doesn't really fit in with the rest of the books on this list for obvious reasons.” (22:15 15 June 2021). That justification was articulated by me on my act of removal: Blackjack literature: self-promotion of commercial website; not a peer-reviewed book like all the others cited; shameful abuse of WP for self-advertising (1:29 12 June 2021). In light of Rray’s deletion, which stands, that act does not constitute vandalism in the eyes of other users.

Issue #3. The evidence shows that before 8/31/2007, no citations to Objective3000’s self-published commercial webpages existed on Blackjack, Card counting, Hole carding, and Martingale (betting system), and Shuffle track. After that date, the evidence shows that Objective3000 inserted citations to his self-published webpages with commercial content, namely, qfit and blackjackincolor, more than once a month in the next six months. At the talk pages of Blackjack and Card counting the evidence that ten such insertions were made by Objective3000 is presented. Under the doctrine of argumentum ad ignorantiam, I cannot say whether others subsequently inserted such citations in these or other webpages, but the evidence is irrefutable that a) Objective3000 inserted such citations to the five articles in the six months after he became active, b) NO OTHER user had inserted citations in the five articles to either of these self-published webpages BEFORE he became active, and c) NO OTHER user inserted such citations to any of these articles during the six month period examined.

Issue #4. It was interesting to find that currently Hole carding lacks the two citations to Objective3000’s self-published websites that he had placed on 12/24/2007 (see Blackjack for evidence). A search through the log shows that from 23 December 2010 through 27 December 2010 two users tried to remove references that Objective3000 had placed to his websites. (See Issue #5 and Hole carding talk page for Evidence.) On 27 December 2010 user TransporterMan began a discussion with Objection3000 based on the merits of citations inserted by Objection3000 to qfit and blackjackincolor being in violation of both WP:SOURCES and WP:SPS.. TransporterMan noted the following on the talk page of Hole carding: “Let me note in passing, however, that the links being removed appear to me to be very iffy as reliable sources to support the assertions in the article. TransporterMan (TALK) 14:43, 27 December 2010.” The rest of the discussion appears on the talk page of Hole carding, including his opinion that WP:SOURCES and WP:SPS are being violated and that a referral to Reliable Sources Noticeboard about these sources would substantiate his opinion, stating “I'm fairly certain of my analysis and the probable outcome.” To summarize, TransporterMan finds fault lies in Objective3000 not being an expert according to the Wikipedia definition “Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the topic of the article whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications. None of Objective3000’s “work,” using his actual name as provided on his commercial webpages, has either been published as a peer-reviewed journal contribution, been accepted for presentation as a paper at a scholarly meeting (Evidence: google scholar, https://digitalscholarship.unlv.edu/authors.html), or has not been published in book form by reliable third-party publications (Evidence: amazon.com search).

One may conjecture, sine testimonio, that Objective3000’s not pursuing the matter with TransporterMan was a case of discretion over valor: The Hole carding article has about 50 daily visits, whereas Blackjack and Card counting together have about 2300 daily visits, 50 times more traffic. A determination that the citations to qfit and Blackjackincolor violated the doctrines of WP:SOURCES and WP:SPS would be global rather than local, meaning that such citations would necessitate removal from ALL wikipedia articles. Apparently, an appeal to the Reliable Sources Noticeboard committee suggested by TransporterMan was pursued by neither Meisner nor Objective3000. Such a determination for removal, the probable outcome according to TransporterMan, would have been dispositive.

Issue #5. The evidence shows that others have disputed the appropriateness of Objective3000’s citations to this self-published webpages. I was not the first. The evidence in the TransporterMan discussion indicates one such user. In Fred Bauder’s personal page, User_talk:Fred_Bauder#Conflict_of_Interest.2FAdvertising.2FContentiousness, there is evidence of two others, Mr. Bauder himself and a user referred to by Objective3000 (Objective3000 (talk) 14:22, 6 September 2011), wherein Objective3000 refers to the banning of the user. In Hole carding, two users removed the references placed by Objective3000. One got banned for life. (Evidence presented at Hole carding.) In four instances, including mine, the modus operandi of Objective3000 is to begin the process of getting those objectors banned from editing for vandalism or other causes. Under the doctrine of argumentum ad ignorantiam, I cannot say whether other users have found citations to qfit and blackjackincolor inappropriate and whether Objective3000 files claims of vandalism or other causes against them to get them banned, but the implication survives on its own merits. In such cases, judging from the editing histories of these four users, the objectors are new users on Wikipedia and fell prey to violation of its guidelines as alleged by Objection3000 to protect his citations. That was certainly the situation in my regard.

Issue #6. On June 19, 2021, Objective3000 posted a message asking that Blackjack and Card counting be given protected status. This action is taken to cease inappropriate editing on controversial articles, articles about celebrities and political figures, and the such, not to ensure that Objective3000’s citations to his self-published webpages with commercial content be preserved. Both Blackjack and Card counting have the lowest ranking of completed article, C-class, the editing needs of which are described as “Considerable editing is needed to close gaps in content and solve cleanup problems.” Yet, Objective3000 wanted both protected.

In consideration of the above, I will respectfully continue to seek the following relief by any and all means appropriate and legal under Wikipedia guidelines: a) Removal of citations to Objective3000’s self-published webpages with commercial content globally and prohibition of additional citations being made by any user to the self-published webpages with commercial content, or, in the interests of a settlement, b) retention of the citations but under the condition that all commercial advertising be therein removed by Objective3000 or his agent, including but not restricted to banner ads and links to software sale sites complete with pricing, such a settlement requiring a published waiver of their policy from the Reliable Sources Noticeboard committee concerning establishment of expert standing and other relevant criteria for posting of references to self-published material.Aabcxyz (talk) 22:07, 12 July 2021 (UTC)Aabcxyz[reply]

This just seems like a brief summary; could you please go into substantially more detail? --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:12, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Floq, that was beautifully crafted. E Eng 22:26, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Floquenbeam:

Anyway, looks like it's (linking...) Special:Contributions/2600:1700:5651:2780:0:0:0:0/64, an IP which is no longer blocked. Don't really remember the context there. Aabcxyz, this is a volunteer project, so you should very significantly trim and condense your messages if you wish for them to be reviewed by anyone. El_C 22:24, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Floquenbeam, the title of my post was originally "Informal Motion to Remove All References Placed by Objective3000 in Blackjack, Card counting, and Shuffle track and Wherever They May Also Appear in Wikipedia Articles to His Self-published Commercial Websites qfit and blackjackincolor." The Informal Motion appears at Blackjack. Since you requested more detail, I will copy what I originally posted here at your user_talk. Thanks for your interest in keeping articles free of commercial content.Aabcxyz (talk) 22:51, 12 July 2021 (UTC)Aabcxyz[reply]

I'll notify the Foundation to order more storage capacity. E Eng 23:02, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yay! We are the WP:BITE'est biters. Meow! El_C 23:09, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It may be my imagination -- but I don't think this person likes me. O3000, Ret. (talk) 16:31, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Give him the stick — DON'T give him the stick! El_C 13:38, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Can’t believe I missed this. The IP range that you temp blocked is in Oak Park, Ill. This is the home of an editor with a dozen socks [33]. This is one of the AfDs over articles about himself written by these socks. [34] He also attempted to add material about himself to the blackjack page back then. I took part in that AfD ten years ago and he spent months hounding me, by phone, email, and other sites. I removed personal info about myself from my user page as a result. That was ten years ago and he quoted that diff two days ago on the blackjack TP. I’m uncomfortable filing an SPI as the target of his attacks. I suppose I could go to Beeblebrox, who participated in the AfD, the SPI, and is a CU. O3000, Ret. (talk) 12:10, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WT:Article wizard protection

Hi El C! Regarding your decision to only temporarily protect WT:Article wizard, I can't help but see this as just unnecessarily kicking the can down the road. There's no reason to think that newcomers will somehow stop making test edits two years from now, and every reason to think they'll resume just the same as they resumed as soon as the previous protection expired, creating more work for vandalism patrollers and for whoever sets up the next round of protection. It's unfortunate that the gigantic {{Talkpage of help}} notice isn't enough to stop the junk, but that's the situation. Newcomers will still have the Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/feedback page (linked from a banner on the wizard talk page) to give feedback. Other talk pages in similar positions such as Help talk:Introduction have been indefinitely semi'd, and as I said in my request, I really think that's the clear best course of action here. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 00:13, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you're probably right. I doubt much will change in 2 years. Okay:

Done. El_C 00:25, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Saragarhi

Hi El_C, hope you're doing well. Would you like to reinstate semi-protection at the Battle of Saragarhi article now that the full protection has expired? DanCherek (talk) 13:53, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, Dan. Doing good, thanks. And thanks for the reminder. Nice to see you. Don't be a stranger! El_C 14:28, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I'm enjoying the songs. DJ El_C FTW. DanCherek (talk) 14:39, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

♫Yay!♫

The future's so shade, I gotta wear bright! El_C 14:49, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Disruptive Editing in the Baidya

Hello El C.I am sorry to bother You.An user named Advaita222 is involved in edit war in the Baidya page.In spite of my invitation to talk page,He is continuously reverting the consensus version.The version was approved by one of our Senior editors Ekdalian ckeck it here.I have warned him.Can You please help me to handle this.Thanks.Regards.Abhishek Sengupta 24 (talk) 14:21, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Abhishek Sengupta 24. Sorry, but as is noted above (in large text), I'm not really accepting out-the-blue requests at this time. Maybe post about it at WP:AN3...? Good luck! El_C 14:31, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your prompt reply.It's really helpful. Abhishek Sengupta 24 (talk) 14:54, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ARCA archiving

Hello. A while back you were asking for a archive of WP:ARCA requests. Although it is not complete and will still take a few weeks for me to finish, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Clarification and Amendment requests is an index of all clarification and amendment requests excluding requests moved elsewhere (such as to AE) or requests removed without consideration by the arbitrators. It contains the a link to case or decision affected, a permalink to the request, the date the request was opened, the date the request was closed, and finally relevant links which is currently only permalinks to any enacted motion in the request. Hopefully this is useful. As it's currently being worked on it's not yet linked to from other places, but I plan to un-orphan the page once all entries are backfilled. After the index is complete there may be other improvements made to the archiving process for ARCA requests. Hope this index is useful. Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 22:31, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Great work, Dreamy Jazz! Looking good. Mucho apreciado. El_C 03:14, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Protection request

Hi El C, can you indef ECP Isaac Herzog? He's the president of Israel, WP:A/I/PIA really should be applied. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 05:14, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I was hoping Yehoram Gaon would win, but he withdrew, if recall correctly as soon as Bougie entered the race.

Anyway, rarely if ever do I preemptively protect pages, DS/GS or otherwise —I think the last one was Jewish space lasers (Pew-Pew!)— and I don't really see anything that gives me serious pause for Herzog's page right now (possibly I missed it). Regards, El_C 08:21, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

15:09

The sig says 15:08 but the edit history says 15:09 so.... Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:15, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

El_C 15:19, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you - ANI

I'd completely forgotten about the paid editor making a complaint. There are plenty of other reviewers who will handle their future submissions. I don't check who the creating editor is when I make a review, though. I just look at quality of the draft. I imagine they would like their payment. That tends to mean they must do their work well enough for articles to be accepted.

On the rare occasions I get dragged to ANI I tend to let my edits speak for themselves. There is little point in mounting a defence because the defence is already present in the history concerned, and folk will make whatever judgements they choose, as is their right. It is also the right fo any editor who feels the need to take any other editor there. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 06:48, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Letting your edits speak for themselves... Ah, an optimist, I see. I respect that. El_C 12:16, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Generally anything one says makes it better in a negative manner. Rather like the Streisand effect I also note the words of Queen Gertrude which can work against any party im these discussions 👀😈🤪 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 12:38, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ricky Schroder

I would like to ask that you restore the original version of the article without the added category. User:Jaydoggmarco added the Category:Anti-vaccination activists to the article on June 16th as shown on this revision. [[35]] It was reverted several times by other editors and IPs before I stepped in and gave my two cents. It was fine for over a month before Jaydoggmarco (who has been wikihounding me for basically his entire edit history since early June [[36]]) decides to revert it again. Of course since contentious changes such as that must be discussed first on the talk page as opposed to just adding them and reverting, I opened up a discussion. It went unanswered until yesterday, despite my constantly explaining I wanted to discuss. Calton stated "nobody works for you" and reverted without adding anything to the discussion section. [[37]] I feel that it is appropriate to have the original version of the article prior to the change be the version that is protected, at least until a consensus can be reached. Thank you for taking the time to read this.TJD2 (talk) 06:55, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

While in the case of Ricky Schroder, this seems like more of a m:Wrong version matter than an outright WP:BLP vio, it may be worthwhile to bring the broader dispute to wider review at WP:ANI or WP:BLPN — sorry, but I'm not available to attend to it single-handedly at this time. Good luck! El_C 12:24, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Help

Something is going on L. Murugan page, seems to be a heavy vandalism, maybe protection for the page is needed for few days, please look into this matter Nahtrav (talk) 12:26, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please post protection requests at WP:RFPP. Sorry, but I'm not really taking out-the-blue requests at this time. Good luck! El_C 12:32, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Covid-19 and Covid-19 Pandemic.

I believe On both Covid 19 and Covid 19 Pandemic articles that extended confirmed protection is not necessary. Natadmim (talk) 14:36, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Whereas I feel it is necessary, so... anything you wish to add? El_C 14:39, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Destiny

See also: User:El C/Songs from new lands

A blast from the past! (circa 2002). El_C 08:40, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Longing for Home (circa 2008). El_C 11:34, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For when just plain Distractions are afoot. El_C 16:54, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Spinning over simple things. El_C 08:17, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oceanic feeling

Everyone is Everyone (and Everything is Everything). El_C 23:02, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lyrics:

(Intro)

Somehow I found myself here today

Awakened to these thoughts and feelings

Or an oceanic sense of lucid dreaming?

A strange sort of spherical sensation

With an overwhelming sense of apprehension

An emptiness that thunders out

From beyond the mind's horizon

So far beyond our reach

Where consciousness coalesces

Like the billowing loom of thunder clouds

The streaming runs of thought goes

'Round and 'round and 'round

Till the dancing funnels of wind touch down

And the earth bows down in reverence

Lest it should be torn to pieces

And blown into oblivi-essence

And all who live will run and hide

And do what we’ve done since the dawn of time

Everyone flees from the cyclone winds of

One's own mind

But if one day we should stand on the canyon’s edge

Peer out through the beating rain, the pounding wind

You'll find that everyone is everyone

And everything is everything

(Verse one)

Open up

Your hearts and minds

'Cause I remember

Nothing

One day now

It all falls down

But love must keep on

Loving

So start the show

Here we go

(Chorus)

Dark to light

The day from night

A roll of a mountain

A rip in the sky

Turning the dust to flesh

And ashes to breath

A pull of a muscle

A pin in the eye

An initial spark

To get this heart of mine pumping

And another

To get these feet of mine running

But sadly they've just taken me

To a place

Where all is devoid

Of your embrace

So baby now we're falling

Baby now you're falling

Baby yeah, yeah

Baby now we're falling, baby yeah

Tripping and tumbling

Flipping and fumbling

Flowing on the rivers of sadness

That have been forever rumbling

But from dawn until now

Of all the paths that I could have gone down

Of all the valleys

That I could have been flowing through

In spite of all the chaos

And all that has come between us

How is it I still find myself

Here with you

(Outro)

So somehow we find ourselves here today

A feeling in this oceanic sense of lucid dreaming

A strange sort of spherical sensation

An emptiness that thunders out

From beyond the mind's horizon

And all of us, we run and hide

Do what we've done since the dawn of time

Peering out through the beating rain

The pounding wind

Everyone is everyone

And everything is everything

Serrado. El_C 23:33, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Live with Me. El_C 23:52, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

River Man. El_C 00:05, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Memories of Spain

Tomatito & Michel Camilo (2000)

Hooni (2012)

Olivier Castellat (2010)

Stevie Wonder (2008 live)

Gary Valenciano (2017 vocals)

Chick Corea and Return to Forever (1973 original) / Live performance (date unknown, but laterer)

El_C 23:29, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Chick and Hiromi my 2p. regards. -Roxy the sycamore. wooF 16:20, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Resting: a compilation

Flite — El_C 10:06, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Void — El_C 15:01, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What Is This — El_C 18:16, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WhipTail — El_C 10:53, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Tell Me Where — El_C 10:03, 31 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing Nice — El_C 22:25, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Posição — El_C 10:05, 1 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Quiet Nights — El_C 10:08, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Feel Free — El_C 02:02, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Limmertz (Hello, guitar! Hello, Good Waves) — El_C 10:11, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Que Se Sepa — El_C 10:14, 4 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mina Do Condominio — El_C 10:04, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

On Sight — El_C 10:06, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The return of Remix surfing

Be Honest — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wade in the Water — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Summertime Ride — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This Thing — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Barrio — El_C 16:51, 15 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe I'll be Tracer... — El_C 16:42, 16 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

O Mary Don't You Weep — El_C 11:40, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Love Intersection — El_C 18:52, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Inside — El_C 05:46, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cosmix — El_C 15:42, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Let Me In — El_C 15:11, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Find You — El_C 13:23, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Bossa 31 — El_C 16:36, 1 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Recado Bossa Nova — El_C 13:01, 2 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just The Two Of Us — El_C 00:56, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unless You Love Me — El_C 11:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A New Born Day — El_C 11:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Inspiration Zone El_C 11:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Elektric City — El_C 13:50, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Kiss from a Rose — El_C 06:22, 7 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Golden — El_C 09:13, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mozalounge — El_C 20:47, 8 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorrow — El_C 13:57, 10 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Be With You — El_C 14:06, 11 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Everybody Knows — El_C 10:42, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Butterfly — El_C 01:14, 13 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Guilty Pleasure — El_C 09:13, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Bossa — El_C 15:27, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Legend — El_C 18:40, 15 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Who — El_C 05:41, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Losing My Way ^{London (2019)} — El_C 15:05, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Love Forever — El_C 16:20, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Hedges: "The Meaning of Christmas" (December 27, 2020). El_C 23:50, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, everyone, I will not be accepting any new requests for the immediate moment. In the meantime, enjoy the music! (Also here) El_C 18:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Now also introducing Buck Flower, security guard (challenging times ahead!). El_C 12:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lavash

Dear @El C, would you mind giving your input as a third party on Talk:Lavash#Recent revert page? We have a dispute with regard to which wording is more appropriate. The editor I'm having a dispute with, @Wikaviani, also pinged two other editors for third opinion. There's also a need to clarify whether pinging an editor who gave you a barnstar would breach WP:CANVASSING and WP:THIRD. The second editor they pinged tries to convince me it doesn't, but I'm not sure. Thanks in advance. Best regards, ZaniGiovanni (talk) 08:43, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ZaniGiovanni, funny that you've come to me, seeing that Wikaviani has given me a barnstar — Pepperidge Farm remembers (++topical!). Anyway, probably not CANVASSING (though using the WP:3O mechanism would have been better), still, full disclosure: I did indefinitely block Visioncurve a year ago for legal threats (lifted, withdrawn), and I do think Kansas Bear is awesome. Anyway, at this stage, probably best to just launch a full WP:RFC about this, during which the longstanding version should display, with reversions of the contending version back strongly discouraged throughout that time. I'll WP:AA2-tag the page, but otherwise hopefully, this will suffice. Regards, El_C 12:26, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's actually funny. I asked you for a third opinion cause of your previous/current involvement with the wikiscopes, and I thought it would be an objective/neutral choice for everyone since you've also blocked me previously, and I have interacted with you only 2 times I think. I really don't know the other editors involved and didn't comment on them, just the decision of Wikaviani to selectively ping editors they have been known/involved with previously.

Thanks a lot for your input. Best wishes, ZaniGiovanni (talk) 13:17, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ZaniGiovanni, no problem, but what do you mean by "wikiscopes"? I'm unable to recall what (who?) that is. Anyway, I'll emphasize that the point about CANVASS is whether the user/s in question can be seen to already be leaning toward one position over another as it pertains to the given dispute. Regards, El_C 13:33, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I meant the WikiProjects that the article falls under. Probably cause of my limited experience that I used the wrong term. Cheers, ZaniGiovanni (talk) 13:38, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In fairness (to me!), ZaniGiovanni, when it comes to the topic areas listed at T:DSA, I'm kinda everywhere. El_C 13:45, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's actually really nice. To be honest, after you blocked me, I tried to broaden my editing areas and I learned quite a lot actually. So in a sense, I look at it as a learning/improving part on my wikipedia journey. Regards, ZaniGiovanni (talk) 13:50, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. That's always the hope, ZaniGiovanni, so I'm pleased to hear that. El_C 15:10, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the compliment El C, not sure what I have done to deserve it. I guess Wikaviani's ping did not work, seeing how I did not receive a notice. As for Lavash, meh, I see reliable sources stating both origins, no need to give undue weight to one or the other.

PS:Has ZaniGiovanni been notified of AA2 sanctions on their talk page? I see that after coming off a one week block their first edit was to make a revert on an AA2 article. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:11, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::::::That's actually really nice. To be honest, after you blocked me, I tried to broaden my editing areas and I learned quite a lot actually. So in a sense, I look at it as a learning/improving part on my wikipedia journey. Regards,  [[User:ZaniGiovanni|ZaniGiovanni]] ([[User talk:ZaniGiovanni|talk]]) 13:50, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 :::::::Cool. That's always the hope, [[User:ZaniGiovanni|ZaniGiovanni]], so I'm pleased to hear that. [[User:El_C|El_C]] 15:10, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
+{{od}}
+Thanks for the compliment El C, not sure what I have done to deserve it. I guess Wikaviani's ping did not work, seeing how I did not receive a notice. As for Lavash, meh, I see [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] stating both origins, no need to give [[WP:UNDUE|undue weight]] to one or the other.
+<br>PS:Has ZaniGiovanni been notified of AA2 sanctions on their talk page? I see that after coming off a one week block their first edit was to make a revert on an AA2 article. --[[User:Kansas Bear|Kansas Bear]] ([[User talk:Kansas Bear|talk]]) 17:11, 17 July 2021 (UTC)


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