* SimoooIX, it looks like you've been editing ar.wiki for the past couple months. That's great, editing there or at other wikiprojects unproblematically really is the best way for you to persuade people here. I'd withdraw this if I were you. [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 13:11, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
* SimoooIX, it looks like you've been editing ar.wiki for the past couple months. That's great, editing there or at other wikiprojects unproblematically really is the best way for you to persuade people here. I'd withdraw this if I were you. [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 13:11, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
=== Proposal ===
Considering the community's evident support for the imposed TBAN, I would like to propose a specific request that I hope will garner support. My proposal is to have the TBAN lifted specifically from [[Almohad]]-related articles/pages. I am confident that I can demonstrate to the community my ability to make constructive edits and constructively engage in discussions within this area that greatly interests me.
I want to emphasize that this topic comprises no more than 20 articles. If necessary, to avoid ambiguity I can provide a list of these articles. I would appreciate hearing the community's thoughts on this matter. Thank you.[[User:SimoooIX|SimoooIX]] ([[User talk:SimoooIX|talk]]) 18:35, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
I am writing to request an appeal of the topic-ban from Moroccan, Algerian and West Saharan topics, broadly construed, that has been imposed on me following this ANI thread. I believe I understand the reasons for which I was sanctioned, which can be summarized as follows:
1. Engaging in personal attacks.
2. Misrepresenting sources.
3. Engaging in tendentious editing.
I would like to assure the Wikipedia community that I now fully acknowledge my mistakes. Over the past two months, I have reflected on them and actively contributed constructively in other areas. Regarding the topic ban, I have made every effort to adhere to it, but I must admit that there have been instances, after this discussion, where I violated the sanction.
For example:
- In this case, I couldn't resist the urge to revert vandalism that occurred there.
- In another instance, I added the Almoravid empire as a place of birth.
User:DanCherek has pointed out that I also violated the topic ban here and here, although I'm not entirely convinced, but it could be true. Regardless, I apologize for all of these infractions.
Dancherek suggested i wait at least 6 months before appealing this topic-ban, however I would like to mention that I currently have free time during this summer, which I intend to utilize for constructive contributions in the area that interests me the most. This opportunity won't be available to me later, so I hope you will take this into consideration. That was pretty much all what i have to say for the moment.
Oppose it has barely been a month since the OP was reminded of their numerous tban violations. They made a handful of reverts after that (in June) and spent the last 5 days reverting some edits. M.Bitton (talk) 18:51, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Seconded. The honesty displayed in this appeal is good, but I would want to see at least 6 months since the last tban violation before voting to repeal. signed, Rosguilltalk 20:18, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello @Rosguill, As I mentioned earlier, I am eager to utilize the free time I currently have during this summer for constructive contributions in my area of interest. It is important to note that I won't have this opportunity later on. So i can't wait for another 4 months. (The t-ban was imposed on me almost 2 months ago). Also the most recent violation occurred on May 15th.SimoooIX (talk) 20:45, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds like this summer would be a good opportunity to build up a track record of solid edits outside of north Africa to serve as the basis for a future unblock request. Wikipedia will be here next summer as well, mashallah. signed, Rosguilltalk 21:14, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
(e/c) That's a good reason for you to want the topic ban removed now; it isn't a good reason for others to want to remove it now. Do you see what I mean? Floquenbeam (talk) 21:15, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If this is to have any chance of success (which, full disclosure, I don't foresee), I would suggest approaching this as an opportunity to convince people that there is some reason for them to expect that you'll behave just about opposite the way you behaved before the topic ban. What are you going to do differently? (hint: "I will not make personal attacks, misrepresent sources, or engage in tendentious editing" is not going to cut it) How will you interact with M.Bitton in the future? What will you do if M.Bitton (or anyone else) reverts one of your edits? What if someone reverts pretty much all of your edits? Do you acknowledge that it is quite possible for other people to be right and you to be wrong? So far, this kind of proforma "I was topic banned for the following reasons. I acknowledge they were mistakes. Please remove the topic ban" request is definitely not persuasive. In general, we aren't interested in allowing you to edit what you want this summer. We're interested in being confident we aren't going to have to put up with that again. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:20, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Certainly, I have learned from my past mistakes. If given the chance for the topic ban to be lifted, my editing behavior will undoubtedly change in my interactions with other editors. I will make every effort to avoid the types of interactions that have been seen as problematic by the community. Additionally, I will refrain from reviving any content disputes that I was previously engaged in before the topic ban. In other words, I am willing to put the past behind us and start fresh. However, it is important for other editors to also refrain from edit warring, personal attacks, and false accusations.
Regarding your question about acknowledging the possibility of being wrong, yes, I do. I have already acknowledged my mistakes even prior to the topic ban.
Furthermore, if the topic ban were to be lifted, I have plans to expand and create articles, which I believe would be highly constructive work.
Furthermore, I want to emphasize that if there is a possibility of the topic ban being lifted, I will avoid unnecessary interactions with M.Bitton and take greater care with my words to prevent engaging in personal attacks. Moreover, I am willing to forgive and let go of all the false accusations and personal attacks directed at me by M.Bitton, even in the absence of an apology from them. In regards to handling sources, I pledge to be more diligent in ensuring their accurate representation and to avoid any misrepresentation. SimoooIX (talk) 01:13, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
SimoooIX, here is my recommendation to you: Spend at least six months making productive edits outside the Moroccan, Algerian and West Saharan topic area, entirely avoiding edits in that area. Then, ask for your topic ban to be lifted. Productive editing elsewhere and waiting the full six months since the last infraction are both very important elements to a successful appeal of a topic ban. You can also work on drafting articles about Moroccan, Algerian and West Saharan topics off Wikipedia that you can move here once your topic ban is lifted. Cullen328 (talk) 19:42, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Editors considering this appeal are encouraged to evaluate SimoooIX's comments on my talk page since the appeal was opened. signed, Rosguilltalk 21:05, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
After reading that interchange on Rosguill's talk page, I want to make it unambiguously clear that I Oppose lifting this topic ban. Cullen328 (talk) 08:28, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Per Cullen328. If there was any doubt about whether the ban should be lifted (which there wasn't really) then reading the thread on Rosgill's talk page dispels that. Among other things it gives what they really think about the TBAN, contradicting what they said in the opening post of this thread: the reason for it was "the non-impartial nature of the ANI thread you [Rosguill] initiated" and the scope of the TBAN was "completely unfair". DeCausa (talk) 09:45, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't believe I'm being contradictory in my statements. I think it was quite clear. While I acknowledge my mistakes, I don't agree that I deserve such a severe sanction. I had asked Rosguill if they had an understanding of the vastness of the topics they suggested for my ban, but I haven't received a response yet. Regardless, I stand by what I have stated in this appeal. SimoooIX (talk) 15:34, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
My observation is that at pretty much every turn, you have been shown significant lenience, and that every time you have received a lenient sanction, you have denounced it as a harsh injustice and demanded it be overturned. First you were p-blocked from an article by Valereee for edit warring that could have justified a full block; then you miraculously got a pass on using your 3rd edit on en.wiki to make an indefensible personal attack against M.Bitton because by the time it was brought to independent attention it was old news; then you were topic-banned from Morocco, Algeria and West Sahara topics (with unanimous support, a rare feat for topic-bans)--that could have easily been a topic-ban from North Africa or the Arab world writ large. You repeatedly break the terms of the topic-ban, and manage to get off with a warning rather than a block; you then proceed to file this request 2 months later when standard practice is to wait at least half a year, preferably more, before trying to come back from such errors. This attitude of demanding a mile every time you are given an inch is not going to end well for you, particularly given that your track record already includes a level of misbehavior that frequently results in a total loss of editing privileges, not just a topic ban. signed, Rosguilltalk 17:33, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
SimoooIX, it looks like you've been editing ar.wiki for the past couple months. That's great, editing there or at other wikiprojects unproblematically really is the best way for you to persuade people here. I'd withdraw this if I were you. Valereee (talk) 13:11, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Proposal
Considering the community's evident support for the imposed TBAN, I would like to propose a specific request that I hope will garner support. My proposal is to have the TBAN lifted specifically from Almohad-related articles/pages. I am confident that I can demonstrate to the community my ability to make constructive edits and constructively engage in discussions within this area that greatly interests me.
I want to emphasize that this topic comprises no more than 20 articles. If necessary, to avoid ambiguity I can provide a list of these articles. I would appreciate hearing the community's thoughts on this matter. Thank you.SimoooIX (talk) 18:35, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This one has protect notice on it. Was going to place matter on it about two unusual pens. One is that there are ink pens that have a LED light, used mainly by police on night duties w/o blowing their night vision. I've bought and used them, the other is a pen that has 10 colors of ink in one pen, and I've bought that one at Wal Mart, bought the light pen at a few Truck Stops. How can this be placed in the pen article? Thanks for the help on this and a earlier matter. These are unusual pens🥰😘🥰😘 Unfriendly Aliens (talk) 04:42, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Unfriendly Aliens FYI, it would be better to ask questions like this at the WP:Teahouse in the future, the teahouse is a help page specifically for new users. 192.76.8.82 (talk) 09:14, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Abuse by user 'A socialist trans Girl'
When adding recomendations on the page 'Woman' a person with handle 'A socialist trans girl' attacked me, putting words in my mouth I never spoke, trying to demonise me. She added irrelevant topics like my IP address and that I was coming from a mobile edit etc which not only is incorrect - it has absolutely no relevance to the topir.
I like to remind you that WikiPedia is a tool from everyone for everyone; It should in no way be a tool for personal vendettas when people have different views. When you get attacked because you cite sources others don't like, the contributions will end and Wikipedia will end up with single-sided bias.
The abuse was rather moderate yet inappropriate. I hope you will deal with it appropriately.
Kind regards
Harv RealHarveySpecter (talk) 11:08, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You are meant to notify people when you complain about them. You didn't. I have notified A socialist trans Girl. --DanielRigal (talk) 11:24, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I actually said on the 'Woman' page I would report it. RealHarveySpecter (talk) 12:51, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ok my bad then. Sorry for that. Can we now please stop wasting time with these silly games and move on? Thank you. RealHarveySpecter (talk) 13:05, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There, I stated a few reasons for me being suspicious of a potential sockpuppet, saying that the reasons are quite suspicious, but that there's no definitive proof.
You claimed I made accusations that 'you did not belong on this page'. I never said anything of that sort. Also I fail to see why you started to attack me with this IP/mobile device nonsense which totally has no truth nor relevance. We should all try to stay on topic and make the page as truthful as possible. When people attack others hoping this will empower their own narrative I feel you are at the wrong place. Wikipedia is a community. Not a solo slim site. RealHarveySpecter (talk) 12:54, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've had a quick look at this and to my, non-admin, eyes it looks more like a boomerang case than anything else. The only thing I can see A socialist trans Girl getting wrong here is in feeding the troll a little bit too much, a mistake which almost everybody makes at some point. Rather than engage with such unedifying and WP:NOTFORUM discourse the best thing would have been to roll it all up per NOTFORUM and WP:DENY. So what of RealHarveySpecter? He looks like an SPA. His is a recently registered account which started straight off by leaping into an existing argument on a Talk page, which always strikes me as a little suspicious. He got warned for incivility and this report seems like it might be retaliation. He has zero edits in article space and already he is causing drama on the noticeboards. Is it too early to say WP:NOTHERE? --DanielRigal (talk) 11:45, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say calling a WP:NOTHERE is justified. And I've responded to it as I wasn't sure if was trolling, and I wanted to respond to all the points to be civil and so it didn't look like I was conceding, but they just said cisgender is a slur so they are definitely trolling. I'd say do a CheckUser and do the appropriate action for a WP:NOTHERE. A Socialist Trans Girl (talk) 12:20, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I added 2 sources for my statement. 1) Elon Musk recently posted that cis is considered a slur. I also posted another article confirming that most non-trans people feel offended by it. Instead of commenting on the content you decided to attack me by dragging totally off-topic things like IP address and the false claim I was on a mobile device.
I propose to end these juvenile games and move on. I fail to see why you attack me. RealHarveySpecter (talk) 13:04, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wow. So you call me a troll? How about not attacking people? Why don't you comment on the things I said? You seem unable to do so and instead attack the person. Again; Wikipedia is a community. It does not belong to you personally. You should comment on the content; Not on the messenger. No it is not a retalliation at all. Are you saying the attacks on me are invented? I have been called a troll, I have been called 'suspicious'. You are talking more about me than about the original topic. Seems you are trying to deflect a little, no? What does the amount of edits have to do with it? THe question should be: are the things I said and the sources I added relevant. You decide not to discuss those. Instead you decide to attack me personally which I believe is a violation of your rules. I again remind you Wikipedia is not the playgarden for political or personal gain. It is a community that should write about subjects in a neutral and scientifically and factually correct way. Instead of trying to help with that, all you do is attack those who's sources you don't like. Be better! RealHarveySpecter (talk) 13:00, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For avoidance of any doubt, I am happy to clarify that by "suspicious" I did indeed mean "possibly indicative of sockpuppetry". Based on what I have seen so far, I wouldn’t go further than "possibly indicative" but a checkuser seems like a good idea. Anyway, we do not need to decide whether the above argumentation is advanced in good faith or intentional trolling. When an editor defines their own prejudices as "neutral and scientifically and factually correct" then that argues for a WP:CIR block. --DanielRigal (talk) 13:18, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wow. So you removed anything I said. That is astonishing; I added several sources yet you simply blocked me? Wow! RealHarveySpecter (talk) 13:37, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have added several links. I am not the one who puts personal ideas as facts. Others are. It is very clear you do not want to consider the views you may personally not like. You have not refuted any of the links I posted. I will contact administrators about this abuse of power; I have done nothing that warrants a block. I find it quite an abuse of power on your end to just play God here. You should be ashamed or yourself mate. This is a community. Not your personal vendetta site. RealHarveySpecter (talk) 13:40, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have refuted them. Refutation: they are opinion pieces. A Socialist Trans Girl 13:44, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict)First up, I am not an administrator. I don't get to block anybody. I make my case, as we all do, and the administrators decide.
Second up, I did not remove any of your logged in comments. All I did was roll up some unproductive sections of discussion. The only comments I actually removed where two abusive comments made anonymously. (diff here) RealHarveySpecter, are you admitting to making those comments? --DanielRigal (talk) 13:54, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Have it your way people. I came here with good intentions. I am absolutely shocked by how undemocratic and hateful some of you are. I offered several links which you rarely discussed; Instead you spent more time arguing about my IP and blocking me because you clearly have nothing to bring into my arguments. It has become clear to me this is more about your personal views and self promotion than about being neutral and fair. Next you block me and accuse me of the things you do yourself. Fine. Have a nice day all and be proud of yourself for hijacking a nice community for your personal gains. I am done here. RealHarveySpecter (talk) 13:52, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well they are gone so... I don't understand why we are having such a heated silly debate honestly. We should be talking about the information, don't you agree? RealHarveySpecter (talk) 14:01, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
According to this edit summary, there is currently an influx of readers from The Daily Wire. They appear to have strong opinions on what the articles Woman and Girl should say, but aren't otherwise terribly interested in helping us to write an encyclopedia. – bradv 13:50, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If it wasn't for the fact that this isn't even the right noticeboard for the discussion of incidents I'd suggest a WP:BOOMERANG for this silliness. As things stand perhaps an admin can just close this? Simonm223 (talk) 13:56, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. THis makes no sense whatsoever. We should be talking about how to make the page the best we possibly can and have normal healthy respectful discussion. Instead of attacking people. RealHarveySpecter (talk) 14:02, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Mate I don't even know what or who the daily wire is. I am located in Belgium and never heard of that. In other words, you seemed to let your prejudice get in the way of things. Second, even if people were from daily wire, does that mean their views are by default wrong? I repeatedly asked: let's stay on topic. Let's discuss how we can best define the information. None of you wanted to do so. Instead you decided to throw in whatabouttism about money and fish etc, stuff that had absolutely nothing to do with what a woman is. In all honesty I feel you should have a neutral look at what I said. Oh wait, you can't. You deleted it. Good job folks. Please reflect on your behavior. RealHarveySpecter (talk) 13:58, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Of course you would. I don't care mate. Save yourself the trouble. I will close my account - if that's even possible - and leave. I do not want to be associated with a group of undemocratic people with a God complex. I have done nothing wrong. YOU have been attacking me. Not the other way around. RealHarveySpecter (talk) 14:15, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I’ll save everyone some time. NOTHERE. Blocked. Courcelles (talk) 14:17, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not according to his TP. He's officially retired. (sorry, could not resist). Kleuske (talk) 18:18, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Even though RHS may be at fault, I think it's likely that A socialist trans Girl is some kind of LTA sleeper/nothere. They have made a series of bizarre edits, including nonsense uploads to commons [1], as well as extremely large additions to their sandbox. Hemiauchenia (talk) 02:00, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What does that even mean, Hemiauchenia? The prior account name that they were uploading things from is directly page-moved to their current name (apparently because they didn't want Russia in their name after the war started). And I'm going to make a guess, since they have 6 userboxes on their page, that the 6 image uploads back in November was them trying to upload their userboxes or something? Clearly not relevant to Commons, hence why the uploads were deleted, but I don't see how that makes someone a "LTA sleeper/nothere" account in any fashion. Could you please elaborate on what you're talking about? SilverserenC 02:14, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
6 of the image uploads were making a recursive image of my user page which which I put on my user page labelled "This page", which was fair enough deleted, and another was an election map for a hypothetical 2024 US election which I used on my sandbox. A SocialistTrans Girl 07:12, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Editors with long periods of inactivity who then dive headfirst into very contentious topic areas and discussions is imo very suspicious. It's not a smoking gun, but it means that their activities should be closely monitored. Hemiauchenia (talk) 02:23, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well the period of inactivity was just due to me being busy with my transition and just generally doing other stuff, which after I returned the specific contentious topics I dived into are ones related to trans topics, so I feel as that's self explanatory. A SocialistTrans Girl 07:12, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, I am completely satisfied with these explanations. Not that I found the behavior particularly suspicious in the first place. -- Random person no 362478479 (talk) 07:28, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Some of the uploads to commons had nonsense names, but since they are deleted we can only speculate about the content and purpose, although they were deleted as nonsense. The large sandbox additions seem to be intended to work on articles. Can you link to some of the edits you consider bizarre? -- Random person no 362478479 (talk) 19:00, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Look at this sandbox diff [2], it's incredibly large despite the small amount of visible text, which is complete nonsense. If you try to edit it, it breaks the editor. It appears to have some really large invisible special characters. Hemiauchenia (talk) 23:02, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is... weird. Even when I open the editor I can't find invisible characters, yet it's +2,097,152 — Czello(music) 23:12, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It seems to consist of extremely long lines (in one case 250,000+ characters) of "." and "e". -- Random person no 362478479 (talk) 23:18, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Why can't I see this when I open the editor on this diff? — Czello(music) 23:29, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I just copied the source to a text file to look at it in a normal text editor. Since it isn't displayed as that I'm assuming that the software behind Wikipedia can't handle it. Maybe your browser has issues with it, too? -- Random person no 362478479 (talk) 00:53, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
OK. That's definitely weird. Although it was only up for a day. So there may be an innocent explanation, like testing something. -- Random person no 362478479 (talk) 23:12, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The file size is due to it primarily being of 0 width space, which is why it's not rendered. I just did it because I wanted to test the max page size out of curiosity, nothing else. A SocialistTrans Girl 07:12, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Also, that was at the beginning of their usage of their sandbox. Is there any editing from this year that you find problematic, Hemiauchenia? SilverserenC 23:16, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's not anything about their editing in the transgender topic area per se, it's just the combination of long periods of inactivity and username change+contentious topic area+weird sandbox edits. Each of these is easily dismissable on their own as circumstantial and not really indicative of anything, but collectively it makes me suspicious. Is this suspicion warranted? I don't know. There's obviously no hard proof of anything. Hemiauchenia (talk) 23:28, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Range block not working?
Hi, I spotted and reverted some vandalism from an anonymous user that they'd done earlier today, but when I looked at their contributions page it says they're blocked as part of a 2-year range block that started 2 days ago - see Special:Contributions/2A02:C7C:D543:1400:E039:3E75:2DEC:9D50 - so shouldn't have been able to make those edits today. Am I missing something? WaggersTALK 11:20, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The block appears to been a partial one for 2 pages, rather than site wide. RickinBaltimore (talk) 11:25, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ah of course. I forgot that was a thing! Thanks WaggersTALK 12:28, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Can this be closed as no-consensus already? Discussion has been going on for over two weeks now. This is wasting valuable time from us at WP:WPWIR. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 11:42, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
A note that Headbomb is one of the more vociferous commenters in the discussion he would like to have closed as no consensus. IznoPublic (talk) 08:20, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Overdue AfDs
If someone has some free time today, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Old/Open AfDs isn't a backlog per se but there are way more than normal, including a few that a number of us discussed at ANI & shouldn't close and/or in which we've already !voted. Thank you! StarMississippi 13:33, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Star Mississippi: How's the weather in the Magnolia State? I handled all the remaining June ones. If anyone thinks I closed with the wrong result feel free to correct it. NYC Guru (talk) 22:09, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Could an admin check whether the closure for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fishtank (series) is appropriate. It is closed as draftify by a NAC per above, despite it being clearly controversial and IMO requires an admin closure. Moreover, no one supported draftification in the AfD, so I'm very confused how that is a suitable conclusion to draw. Thanks. VickKiang(talk) 22:33, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've re-opened the discussion (per WP:NACD) since it was clearly not straightforward enough for a non-admin closure. NYC Guru, in future, please consider leaving "close calls and controversial decisions" for an administrator to close. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 23:03, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Extraordinary Writ if I'm not sure I'll usually extend it. The Fishtank article was a delete but I wanted to draftify so it can be reviewed and you could just delete the redirect which I forget to speedy tag. NYC Guru (talk) 23:15, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@VickKiang, the plot just thickened. The article was moved to to Fishtank_(web_series) and AFD retagged. While the consensus is indeed to delete can we just draftify it to keep the peace? NYC Guru (talk) 07:28, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The reason is because that Extraordinary Writ also thought that your close was not a good NAC, so reverted it per instructions here in an individual admin capacity. This is a standard procedure that requires basically reverting your draftification and your removal of the AfD tag as a procedural step. Afterwards, the AfD is temporarily reopened before Rosguill closed it again as redirect. Thanks. VickKiang(talk) 08:24, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, draftify as an alternative to deletion should only be considered if editors in the discussion are suggesting that as a solution. The sockpuppet presence, and a key question being an underarticulated divide over the need for deletion vs. redirect, further made this a bad discussion for an NAC. signed, Rosguilltalk 17:37, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Happy to pitch in. If it helps, up my way it's been just as humid with a periodic mix of wildfire smoke. I don't know how anyone lives further south than my native Connecticut (though I know the feeling is mutual, as a lifelong resident I love the wild temperature swings that make my area so notorious), more power to all of you who manage. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 04:06, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
An appeal for help
I came here to post a request about AFDs and since this is already open, I'll add it here rather than start a new section. About a month ago, I posted a plea on the Village Pump for editors and admins to return to AFD land if they once participated there because we really need more people to help out there. You can see by today's log, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2023 July 7 that next Friday, we'll have 127 discussions to close. This high number of discussions is partly due to the fact that we have to relist so many discussions due to a low level of editor participation or discussions seem deadlocked. We need more editors discussing and evaluating articles and admins and experienced editors to close discussions.
The alternative that I see are to stop relisting discussions that have 0 or 1 participant and close them on the basis of the nomination alone. Personally, I dislike doing that because I think deletion should be determined by a consensus of participating editors but often it becomes a matter of WP:NOQUORUM. So, if you once were an AFD regular participant or closer but you got burned out, please consider returning even in a limited capacity. Your help will be appreciated! LizRead!Talk! 04:03, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's been quite a few years since I've been active in closing AfDs, but when I was, I always treated those AfDs as soft-deletes (effectively PRODs or endorsed PRODs), is that not a thing that is done anymore? ansh.666 18:34, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I certainly did the same but have only closed a few AFDs recently and the poor participation in AFD doesn't help as I'd hate us to get to the point where nominations weren't subject to some form of checks and balances SpartazHumbug! 18:42, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Seems to me that this is resolved? I'm late to the party, ain't I. --qedk (t愛c) 22:29, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello everyone, i need you to see the AFD about Davide Lo Surdo because the user Graham87 looks like having personal matters with Lo Surdo because he's threatening to take the page down at all costs.
He claims that Rolling Stone brazil is not notable enough and that their sources (RS Brazil) are dubious when as you know RS is the most notable music magazine.
Lo Surdo appears to have significant coverage and he has received an award by Sanremo Music Awards which is very notable.
The User Graham87 said on the AFD a few hours ago: “I have my own ideas about what to do with this article if this AFD doesn't result in a deletion, but I'll keep them to myself until (or unless) that eventuates.”
This shows having personal matters with him because it sounds like a threat and he clearly said that he wants to take the page down at all costs.
Please have a look at it and take action because Lo surdo’s page now is fine and can be keeped on wikipedia Johnmarrys (talk) 20:12, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Per the instructions at the top of this page you're required to notify Graham87 about this discussion. I have done so for you. I see nothing unusual about Graham87's participation in the AfD discussion and he's not making a threat. You should focus on improving the article. Best, Mackensen(talk) 20:40, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I worked for improve the article as today i also added a significant source for the verification of his Sanremo award.
so please, User:Mackensen, let us know your opinion on the AFD about the page. Thanks Johnmarrys (talk) 20:50, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I very much doubt that Graham87 has any personal issues with Lo Surdo for the simple reason that (correct me if I'm wrong, User:Graham87) it is unlikely that he had even heard of him before reading the article. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:27, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don’t know but it’s very strange he said the phrase above. Looks like he wants to take the page down at all costs.
I have a very good reputan of Graham87 but it’s strange to read that phrase. Johnmarrys (talk) 21:39, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah I meant mostly text changes to reduce promotionalism and perhaps semi-protection to stop drive-by spamming of his achievements. The article's a little better now but The state I found it in was an utter embarrassment to Wikipedia. Graham87 01:25, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Which is exactly how I read G87's comment@Johnmarrys. I've multiple times !voted Delete in an AfD, and when it ended Keep/No consensus, went in and fixed problems because if it was going to stay, I wanted it at least to be a reasonable article. Valereee (talk) 13:29, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
BBC presenter suspended
The BBC have suspended a male presenter over an allegation that he paid a teenager thousands of pounds for sexually explicit photographs. They have not named the presenter, but several names are being banded about on social media. Admins may want to keep a weather eye on our articles about those people to prevent BLP breaches. I note that at least one article affected has been recently semi-protected. This may be needed for other articles. Mjroots (talk) 16:26, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
May be worth keeping an idea on WP:BLPN, as we keep getting reports of these there. Nil Einne (talk) 16:34, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting choice of source Mjroots... GiantSnowman 16:37, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's just one of many. Plenty out there. Mjroots (talk) 16:44, 9 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
