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May 20

Mayhem at Suburban Express Article

Suburban Express (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

A social media campaign has spilled over into Wikipedia. Have a look at the history of this article, and you'll see that it was stable for years, but that a small number of users acting in concert (and at the behest of COI users) have deleted the substantive and interesting company history and replaced it with POV and current events. It seems as if the participants in the social media campaign have come to wikipedia to congratulate themselves for the trouble they have recently stirred up.

If there are any experienced transport authors out there, I'd suggest you take a look at the pre march 2013 state of the page and ponder what might be done to restore the interesting content to Suburban Express. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wildwestend (talk • contribs) 01:04, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Meanwhile, single-purpose accounts have popped up left and right in order to defend the company from legitimate criticism, and in fact, engaged in a proven sockpuppetry campaign. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 02:23, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Consider asking that the page be given full protection for awhile, since semi-protection isn't working. WP:RFPP RudolfRed (talk) 02:36, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Trouble finding diffs on talk page

I went to the talk page of an article called White privilege," Archive 4 [1]. There I found an edit:

As I've offered repeatedly in this discussion, I think you are probably the editor best equipped to write such a section, and I would be happy to assist, should you ever decide to dig up some scholarship on it. UseTheCommandLine (talk) 04:34, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Yet when I go to history in an attempt to find and pull the diffs surrounding this edit, it isn't there. In fact only a few selections appear, none of them the one I need.

What am I doing wrong?

Thx!

You're just looking in the wrong place. When MiszaBot archives a talk page, it basically does a copy/paste move of all the text. So it takes it from the main talk page and creates and pastes it in an archive page. So the original edit to the archive is the pasting of that info. In order to go back in time to when that particular comment was posted, you'd need to go through the history of the original talk page. Dismas|^(talk) 01:58, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

The dif is here. —teb728 t c 02:11, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Reese Jamie marston salt like clity

Reese Jamie marston Salt like clity — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.168.110.253 (talk) 04:24, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but what is your question about how to use or edit Wikipedia: —teb728 t c 04:27, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

formatting problems at William Ivey Long

There are some formatting problems at William Ivey Long. I have tried adding a {{clear}}.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:23, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Fixed - the {{col-begin}} and {{col-end}} templates weren't balanced. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:17, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

What does having references in DAB mean?

I have had edits reverted because of not having references in DAB pages per WP:DISAM and I am having trouble making edits and need help. What is the reason for this? 108.0.244.168 (talk) 07:57, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages, e.g. John Smith (disambiguation), don't generally have references because they only serve to point to articles that would state the relevant facts and have references for them. So a disambig page may say that someone was born in a specific year but not provide a reference. It's up to the subject's article to have that reference. Dismas|^(talk) 08:16, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

I now understand. They need an article to provide a reference. I was only trying to prove the existence of these people by citing a source for these people who do not have an article and allowing someone to create an article that does not yet exist. 108.0.244.168 (talk) 08:27, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Ah, yes, subjects should have an article first and then be added to the disambig page after that. If you would like, you can create an account and create the articles yourself. Or post the relevant info at Wikipedia:Requested articles though that has quite a backlog. Dismas|^(talk) 08:42, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Failing to edit our Wikipedia's Yookos Page

We are a social networking site called Yookos and one of our previous staff members created a profile on our company which does not capture our core activities. We would like to edit this but unfortunately we are unable to do so as the person responsible is no longer with us and we do not have the login credentials they used to create the profile.

We have failed to create an account on Wikipedia to edit the page as we are repeatedly thrown out. Please kindly assist as the information put up is working against the positioning of our brand.

What is the best way of resolving this matter? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.160.59.99 (talk) 09:17, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm sure you're aware of the various Conflict of Interest and username policies you've run foul of. You best course of action is to place the correct information about your company on the article talk page, Talk:Yookos, and wait for an uninterested party to incorporate it into the article. You might want to show more evidence of external, third-party references to the company, to help establish notability, although the three newspaper articles already referenced are a good start. Make sure you declare your interest whenever you add anything. Rojomoke (talk) 09:35, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to add that if you did all share that user account anyway then it would likely be blocked for a violation of Username policy. One person per account. If your intention is to advertise your company then Wikipedia is not the right place. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 15:17, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Updates

Is there a way to be notified when changes are made to a page? I would like to stay current on many things and manually searching each page periodically is obviously time consuming. Thank you in advance. Mahonemo (talk) 13:21, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Your watchlist is the easiest way to do this - by clicking on the star at the top of any page, you can add it to your watched pages and receive a notification every time an edit is made. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:24, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Can't edit langauge link

I can't edit language link, wikidata gives this message :An error occurred while trying to perform save and because of this, your changes could not be completed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.235.171.162 (talk) 13:43, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

I suspect there was further information in the message, though I don't know. The most common reason for this problem is that two Wikidata items may not point to the same article in a Wikipedia. What has probably happened is that there is already a Wikidata item pointing to the article in question. Often the right way to resolve this is to merge the Wikidata items; or if the item you are trying to correct is more appropriate than the existing item linked to that article, edit the other item to remove that link first. --ColinFine (talk) 15:28, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

refrence

Hi, I want to know how to add refrence matrial from a reliable source to an article of a living person. I received a notice that this profile must have a reliable refrence otherwise the article will be deleted...

Please help — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.1.160.20 (talk) 14:13, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

See WP:REFBEGIN.--ukexpat (talk) 14:37, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

I am assuming that the article in question is the one you have been editing: Ripu Daman Handa. I've found a source for the most significant part of the article - the statement that Handa is appearing in MasterChef India - added the reference, and removed the notice accordingly. Please note though that I think it is unlikely that the article subject meets Wikipedia policy regarding subject notability (see Wikipedia:Notability (people)). Simply being a contestant on a television program is unlikely to be seen as sufficient evidence that Handa merits an article, and we'd need further evidence from published reliable sources to justify this, and without such evidence, the article is still liable to be deleted. Meanwhile I have also tidied up the article a little, and removed unsourced promotional claims and other material unsuited to a Wikipedia biography. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:35, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Antarctica

We have Transport in Antarctica in Template:Antarctica but that is the only link from Antarctica way at the bottom of the page in the template. Does Antarctica need a small transport section somewhere with a 'see main' template? There are many projects on the talk pages and I don't which are active so I thought I would ask here. I haven't checked the other articles in the template to see if they miss too.--Canoe1967 (talk) 16:02, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

I have no idea whether or no we need such a section. However simply the fact that the link is in the template and not in the article is not a good enough reason for me on its own. I can imagine a lot of situations where something is nice in the template but need not be in necessary in the article, like for instance Template:Scotland topics has a lot of history related links that are not in the article. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 16:06, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

I see Berlin has an infrastructure section that includes transport, energy, and health. Antarctica is a little bigger than Berlin and it hasn't got an infrastructure section nor the three subsections. I will just leave it all out for now and let someone else expand the article. I didn't realize it would be such a big issue.

Betelgeuse is bigger still, and it doesn't have one. Maproom (talk) 12:40, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Resolved

--Canoe1967 (talk) 00:25, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

How many vehicles, how many kilometers of railways, roads and trams, how many bus stops and how many airports are there in Berlin? And how many in Antarctica? How many passengers travel every day by all means of transport in Berlin and in Antarctica? Is Antarctica really bigger than Berlin with respect to the subject (i.e. transportation)...? --CiaPan (talk) 11:00, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Uploaded video but does not appear on page

Hello, I uploaded a video clip, I have "automated" status but the video does not appear on the page. What can I do to check/verify this?MBA2012E2 (talk) 16:57, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

I think we'll need more information than this. What is the filename? Which article? AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:04, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

What is the format of the video that you are trying to upload? IIRC you can only upload video in OGG format, see WP:OGG.--ukexpat (talk) 17:10, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Your account has not uploaded any files. Try again at Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard. If you fill in fields correctly and the file type is allowed then you should eventually get to a clickable button saying "Upload", "Upload on Commons" or "Upload locally". Depending on where you upload it, the upload should immediately become visible at either commons:Special:Contributions/MBA2012E2 or Special:Contributions/MBA2012E2. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:22, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

WRONG LOGO AND INFORMATION ABOUT MY TV STATION.

I HAVE CORRECTED SOME ERRORS IN KULX-TV LISTING. IT SHOULD BE LISTED AS THE PRIMARY NBC TELEMUNDO AFFILIATE IN SALT LAKE CITY. THE NETWORK AND I HAVE A NEW LOGO THAT MUST BE CHANGED. INFORMATION IN THE BOX IS NOT AT ALL ACCURATE. HOW DO I CHANGE TO NEW LOGO. We are now T-10. ThanKS JOHN TERRILL PRESIDENT AND OWNER. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TelemundoJohn (talk • contribs) 18:11, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

To start you should really not SHOUT while posting here. Further, if you're editing an article on a company ou are affiliated with then ou are stronglyy urged to read Conflict of Interest and Ownership first. To answer, our logo is copyrighted so we would have to use a low resolution image under fair use. I'll take a look at the article in question.

Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 18:16, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

The article in question is KEJT-LP. Is this your new logo John? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 18:21, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

JavaScript is currently broken when attempting to edit a page

I could enter a bug on bugzilla, but this is rather critical. Go to any article, hit edit, notice all the normal JavaScript tools are broken and it looks like a mess... please forward this to a core team member ASAP! — MusikAnimal ^talk 18:14, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

This is a real issue, and just wanted everyone to know the devs are aware of it, as reported on the IRC channel — MusikAnimal ^talk 18:19, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Something's wrong again, the issue has been fixed. You may have to bypass your browser cache, though. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:19, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

sandbox link

I used to have a link to Sandbox on the top of my page - now it is gone. In my Preferences, under Appearance, I have "Add a Sandbox link to the personal toolbar area." checked, but it is nowhere on my page. How can I get the link to Sandbox back? Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 18:24, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

This is probably another side-effect of Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Something's wrong again. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:20, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Resolved

. Yes, it is back now, thanks. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 19:47, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

campton Stockton,woodbury,nj

how may campton Stockton,woodbury,nj be marked historical — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.73.237.68 (talk) 19:02, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

It is hard to understand what you mean. The Woodbury, New Jersey article does not contain the words "Stockton" or "campton" and I have no idea what you mean by marking something "historical". Can you add more information to make it clearer what you mean? Astronaut (talk) 19:37, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

A "Camp Stockton" is mentioned in 12th New Jersey Volunteer Infantry. -- John of Reading (talk) 19:56, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Inline external links

Is there a policy that specifically covers whether external links can be used within the body of text to link to external sites? The situation I'm thinking of involves having the name of a non-notable person (by Wikipedia standards) link to an external biography of the person being mentioned. It wouldn't be appropriate to wikilink in this case, because it would always be a red link, but is it permissible or forbidden (or something in between) to link externally? Deli nk (talk) 19:45, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

The first line of Wikipedia:External links says "they should not normally be used in the body of an article"; there's a little more detail in note 1 at Wikipedia:External links#Notes. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:00, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

That bit in the notes makes it clear that the situation I was asking about isn't an exception to the general rule. Thank you! Deli nk (talk) 20:06, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

additional information on Kingsbury London, with regardt the famous and infamous

Hi, how would I go about feeding you with information, rgarding Kingsbury London NW9. I am an old resedent and have some additional data that may add to tour present files. Thank You. Stann. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.1.93.35 (talk) 20:38, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

You would have to give us verifiable leads to places where the information was published by reliable sources. Personal memories and the like are not useful to us here. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:45, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

But if you have information which can be verified from published sources, you can mention it on Talk:Kingsbury, and see if another editor will add it to the article. --ColinFine (talk) 22:34, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

My page was blocked for no reason

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Hi folks,

i was in the middle of editing a page on NGO ECOWEEK, before it was even submitted for review or even went public, and i received a message that my page was blocked as it was considered as advertisment by some JamesBWatson.

this is a non-justified blocking and i would appreciate your intervention in releasing our page to be further edited before submitted for review by Wikipedia.

I appreciate your help in this matter.

best, Elias

{{unblock|our page is not-advertisement}}

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ecoweek (talk • contribs) 21:06, 20 May 2013‎

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Unwanted boldface

Can someone please track down the source of the (unwanted) boldfacing of the first note in the notes section of Meanderings of Memory? Per WP:ITALIC, I did a replacement of OED with ''OED'' and, where possessive, this resulted in ''OED'''s, but that should still format as OED's and not place boldface. Not sure where the issue is coming from.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:48, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

If you look at the raw text of the note, you will see that there are three consecutive apostrophes, two meant to set off italics and one as an apostrophe, but they are read as ending bold face. Can someone advise what the workaround is? Robert McClenon (talk) 22:08, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for responding Robert. For some reason I thought they fixed this long ago and you could use them with possessives. I know of two workarounds, {{'}} (better) and of course you can just nowiki the third apostrophe (sloppy), but I thought it was supposed to work without them. Weird, I must have confabulated it.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:29, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

I think this is HTML Tidy fixing things again. --  Gadget850 ^talk 01:17, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Two Articles Need to Be Merged

If I think that an article should be merged into another article, is there an Article For Merging or similar procedure, or is an article content RFC the only way to conduct the discussion? Robert McClenon (talk) 22:11, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Merging. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:56, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Orphan page

I created a page that was published about 4 weeks ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Kreamer Two weeks ago I notice that it was called an Orphan. Around May 8th, Kurt Andersen linked his Wiki page and the SPY magazine Wiki page to Anne's Wiki page but I see it is still referred to as an Orphan. -Do I not understand what an Orphan Page is? -Does it take time to have this classification Badge removed? -None of the above. Thanks Ken — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.183.212.98 (talk) 22:27, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

None of the above. The box saying "This page is an orphan" is a template; it's part of the wikicode of the page, not something that's automatically generated. As such, it's there as long as nobody removes it, and it's possible for the box still to be there when the article isn't an orphan anymore. This is precisely what happened here; the orphan box could have been removed two weeks ago and simply wasn't. I was going to remove it, but it turns out that someone else has already done that. If this happens in the future, you should feel free to remove the box yourself once the page has been de-orphaned. Nyttend (talk) 23:16, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

By the way, if you want your list to appear on different lines, you should put asterisks instead of hyphens. Do that and you get the following:

• Do I not understand what an Orphan Page is?
• Does it take time to have this classification Badge removed?
• None of the above.

Alternatively, you can number them by using the hash mark:

1. Do I not understand what an Orphan Page is?
2. Does it take time to have this classification Badge removed?
3. None of the above.

Hope you'll find this helpful. Nyttend (talk) 23:21, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

• The answer to the root of your problem is a lack of understanding of what an orphan is on Wikipedia. Most simply, it is a page which has zero other articles linking to it from inside Wikipedia. Some people, prefer to see at least three articles pointing to a page before removing the orphan tag. I hope this explains why it was tagged as an orphan and what the requirements and suggestions are to remove the tag. Technical 13 (talk) 00:24, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Username signing with tildes?

Hi, I was wondering why when I sign my username with four tildes it does not hyperlink to my page like other users I see signing? Lazyfoxx 22:48, 20 May 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lazyfoxx (talk • contribs)

The easiest way to get a valid signature is to have no checkmark at "Treat the above as wiki markup" at Special:Preferences, and leave the "Signature" field blank. If you want a customized signature then you can set the checkmark but then you also have to make a wikilinked signature in the Signature field. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:54, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, that was easier than I thought! :) Lazyfoxx (talk) 22:57, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Login timeout change

It seems like when I logged in before, the checkbox said "remember me for 180 days". That was great. Now it is only 30 days? Is there a way to set it back to longer? 138.239.32.14 (talk) 22:59, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Taking a look at Special:Preferences, there doesn't seem to be, I'm afraid. Sophus Bie ^(talk) 05:30, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Citation template help

What's wrong with citation #9 at Monongahela culture? I always handwrite my citations, so I really don't know anything about citation templates such as the one that's apparently messed up here. Nyttend (talk) 23:19, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

It was a bunch of text with no parameter provided for the template to understand what to do with it. It turns out it was a quote, so I added "quote=" to fix it.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk)

Not a lot of savvy is required to submit good cites. At the top right-hand side of the edit window is a link for Cite. Selecting that drops another bar with a pull-down for Templates: Cite Web, Cite News, etc. Each template has a variety of fields that take seconds to fill out. Most of the templates have extra fields that a click of a button will expose. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:09, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

But that doesn't help with identifying an issue with a citation that someone else added. Nyttend (talk) 05:19, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

A good point. I misinterpreted the nature of your question. I apologize. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:25, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

And the cite template hasn't worked for IE users for several weeks - ever since the selected sub-menu fell into the edit box, making editing the top line of any article almost impossible

But of course, it's only IE (probably the most used browser on Wikipedia, despite the snobbery) so no-one is really interested Arjayay (talk) 19:06, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

May 21

user name change

Hi there-

Can u help me change our clubs name from lapeerskatingclub to Lapeer Skating Club? Thank you! I thought I was just doing a username not our proper title.

Thank you!

Meagan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lapeerskatingclub (talk • contribs) 00:01, 21 May 2013‎

You cannot have a username for your club. A username may only be used by one person. See WP:ISU and WP:FAQO RudolfRed (talk) 01:02, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

You created a now deleted page at User:Lapeerskatingclub. That was the user page for the account so it was named after the account. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:35, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I need advice

I need advice.

I am an editor and have not previously encountered the following issue.

I added referenced content to wikipedia page about John Ben Shepperd which has been deleted by a new editor.

The new account, Bbrescia, appears to be associated with the John Ben Shepperd Leadership institute. The account removed all content referring to John Ben Shepperd's early career activities opposing racial desegregation mandated by the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision.

What is the best way to avoid a revert war?

Robert1947 (talk) 04:08, 21 May 2013 (UTC) Robert1947

If the impetus for the reversion is that "There is no evidence that he acted from any belief in racism," then maybe removing language that would hint at a belief in racism would be helpful. We do, after all, strive for NPOV. "Defender of racial segregation" sounds a little heavy on the side of "possible racist". The best approach is to preempt the revert war and open a discussion on the talk page to hammer out the details. There's certainly no hurry in getting out the Shepperd story. In doing so, we may also be able to determine if the opposing editor has a conflict of interest. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:18, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Stormie Haworth

Please move User:User:Stardog mgmt/Stormie Haworth to User:User:Stardog mgmt/Stormie Haworth or wherever you think best (it was in the Wikipedia namespace, but I cannot move it). Please also inform User:Stardog mgmt about this move. Thanks! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:18, 21 May 2013 (UTC) Also, move Wikipedia:Angela Taylor (wrong namespace), Happy editing! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 08:28, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

On it. Give me a moment... Yunshui 雲‍水 08:41, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

All sorted, affected editors notified. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:48, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Just a note: the page was moved to User:Stardog mgmt/Stormie Haworth. --CiaPan (talk) 11:15, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the rapid response! –pjoef (talk • contribs) 11:46, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation

Hi, I submitted an article yesterday (Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Ice Pigging), but I cannot see the article in the table of submissions (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Submissions). Is it normal ? Did I submit my article in the right way ?

Thanks in advance, Aurélien — Preceding unsigned comment added by AurelienPrat (talk • contribs) 10:27, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Not quite - you need to add the code {{subst:submit}} to the top of the page in order to complete the submission and list it for review. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:45, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

There had been a resubmission click here link in the draft, but you deleted it in this edit. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:53, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

That seems to happen a lot. RJFJR (talk) 13:38, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Article is not displaying in google search

i have published a wikipedia on kobster.com in which i am presently working. The article when searched it comes like User:Sumeetdeepak/sandbox . It should be titled as kobster.com!. I have gone through all the help pages but i didn't get any solution. Kindly help me out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumeetdeepak (talk • contribs) 12:31, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

At the moment it isn't an article, it is a userspace draft. If you want to submit the draft for review through the WP:AFC process, then put {{submit|subst}} at the top of your sandbox draft. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:41, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Sumeet, presently, that article reads like an advertisement for the company, and is likely to get deleted before it ever sees the light of day. The references used may not conform to the reliable sources guidelines. This source apparently doesn't even have an editorial policy that governs the capitalization of Java, SQL, etc. You're going to have to work harder to establish why this 8 month-old company is notable for inclusion on Wikipedia. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:27, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

How can I get a list of articles I have created?

At the bottom of the User Contributions page there is a link, "Articles created", that leads to the http://toolserver.org/~tparis site. However, when I select this I receive a "page not available" message. It seems that the site has been deleted because the owner no longer updates the site. There was a similar tools site a few years ago that suffered a similar fate. Is there any other way of getting a list of the articles I have created? Hohenloh ⁺ 12:52, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Oh, it's suddenly started working again (maybe someone saw this message!). Hohenloh ⁺ 13:00, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

The toolserver is a bit tempermental these days (it's on its way out) but it will still work - some of the time. It's possible to check your recent creations by going to Special:NewPages and plugging your username in, but that will only give you results from the last month or so. You could also try filtering Special:Contributions by article space only, and then hunting down those entries with a big N next to them. Neither of these methods is particularly ideal, though - I'd suggest just holding out for the toolserver's relocation... Yunshui 雲‍水 13:03, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Notability: Request for review? Just remove tag?

So many years ago I created an article: Champions_Day

At the time of creation the article was (correctly) flagged for a few problems included lack of content (Stub), lack of references, and possible lack of Notability. Over the months I, and a few others, have worked to clean up the article. There is significantly more content, including expansion of the intro, expansion of the two existing sections and the addition of three new sections. We've also added more than 20 additional references.

In those references are links to newspaper stories from around Michigan (as the story deals with Michigan events) but also from Ontario, Wisconsin, Illinois, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and even Texas, New York, and California. Some of these are more modern stories and some of them are from the year of the original celebration in 1936.

In my opinion this satisfies the notability of this article. However, I don't know if there is a procedure that needs to be followed when looking at removing a notability tag. I didn't want to just remove it if there is a process of requesting review. I've tried to search Wiki for help with this but can't find any info other than the 'definition' of what notability is. There doesn't seem to be any info about removing a tag after the fact.

Thanks for any help/advice you can provide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rrbee (talk • contribs) 13:39, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I went ahead and removed the notability tag, I think it is a pretty good article. My general rule is that someone with no significant connection should just take a look at it for removal of the notability tag.Naraht (talk) 14:06, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate the help!

Resolved

Rrbee (talk) 14:53, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

List of Natural Gas Utilities

Your list of Natural Gas Utilities is not correct. I am most interested in ME, NH and MA and all are incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.222.66.122 (talk) 14:20, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

So fix it. -- Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:30, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Email message as source

Hello, I hope someone can help me with my problem. How would you use an email message as a source on wikipedia? I have two messages sent from the Statistics of Lithuania and Croatian Bureau of Statistics about a minority group in the country, which cannot be found on their website. --Ahmetyal (talk) 14:21, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

You can't use it. Sources must be published, so that the information can be verified by an interested reader. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:25, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Okay then. --Ahmetyal (talk) 14:29, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

You could send an email back and ask for the source the email came from. I would think a Bureau of Statistics probably releases information in a report or some form of reliable source that can be used as a reference. Otr500 (talk) 02:29, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Lead of Pitbull

No one's responded to to this recommendation regarding the length of the lead. Hopefully, someone here with good BLP editing skills might be interested in taking care of it. --76.189.109.155 (talk) 15:07, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

• Working on it. EBY (talk) 18:32, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
  •  Done EBY (talk) 21:29, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
    • Great job, EBY. Thank you! --76.189.109.155 (talk) 03:31, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect information on Dimensional Fund Advisors page

Hi,

My name is Olga Castro and I work for the Marketing department at Dimensional Fund Advisors. The information listed on the Wikipedia page is outdated and some of it is incorrect. I would like to change this information then make the page private so that it cannot be changed back.

Thank you,

Olga — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.179.173.187 (talk) 15:15, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

You should not edit the page, since you have a conflict of interest. Read the guidelines at WP:COI. Post your suggested changes on the article's talk page and then add {{request edit}}. Pages are usually only put under protection if there is a large amount of ongoing vandalism. RudolfRed (talk) 15:21, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) You can't make it private so that it can't be changed back. This is an encyclopedia that anyone can edit, unless they have a conflict of interest which prevents them contributing with a neutral point of view. The place for you to suggest changes is at Talk:Dimensional Fund Advisors, but make sure that you provide references to published independent reliable sources to support your proposals. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:24, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Olga, edits such as these: "Institutional investors can access Dimensional funds directly or through their consultant by contacting Dimensional," which was submitted by someone from your IP address, absolutely does not conform to encyclopedic standards. Wikipedia is not the Yellow Pages. Articles should be written objectively about the company, not in promotional language. Hope this helps to manage your expectations. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:59, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Correction or retraction required

No Legal Threats
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
In Marc Randazza , Joseph Rakofsky is described as a "failed lawyer." However, that is false. Please remove that sentence or take down the article immediately. I have sued a number of individuals who have published false statements about me. Please do not force me to sue you also. Thank you. Kind regards, Joseph Rakofsky — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joseph2707 (talk • contribs) 16:18, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I have removed the word 'failed' from the article. For further reference, I suggest you take note that there was nothing to prevent you removing this yourself. I'd also suggest that you read Wikipedia:No legal threats. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:29, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Carl Bradshaw

The link to Carl Bradshaw is incorrect and says he went to prison? Please change this asap as his new film is coming out and Jamaicans will start to complain. There are 2 famous Carls Smile Orange (film) Thanks and have a nice day :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.250.225.143 (talk) 17:11, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing it out. I've removed the incorrect link. You could have done so yourself, as this is Wikipedia, the encyclopedia than anyone can edit. - David Biddulph (talk) 17:16, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

History

Is there a way of finding out what the name of a page was when it was created? if the page history is too long to see. Pass a Method talk 18:39, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I've never seen a page whose history was too long to see (although I suspect the main page is such an example). Can you give the example?--SPhilbrick(Talk) 18:45, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

The page is not too lng, but its difficult to pinpoint all the page moves as there have been multiple. Im speaking about Kutub al-Sittah but thats beside the point. Pass a Method talk 19:01, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

If it helps, here is the very first version of the page. Dismas|^(talk) 19:20, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

editing Moab, Utah, article

I want to add a citation for something in the Moab, Utah, article on Wikipedia. In the section on Transportation, it says a citation is needed here:

Transportation

Prior to the construction of the railroad in 1883, Moab was a strategic place to cross the Colorado River. A toll ferry service across the river ended when a permanent bridge was built in 1911.[citation needed]

I have that citation: Grand Valley Times, 12 April 1912, from the Utah Digital Newspaper Archive:

http://udn.lib.utah.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/timind1/id/55017/show/55018/rec/107

I just don't know how to insert it.

Rdale4 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rdale4 (talk • contribs) 19:00, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I've added the citation to the article; good job finding it! Wikipedia:Citing_sources is a good place to start if you want to learn how to add citations, and you can format them nicely using the templates at Wikipedia:Citation templates.

Also, you can sign your posts by adding four tildes (~~~~) after your comment. Happy editing! Sophus Bie ^(talk) 19:17, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

That was quick! Thanks! Rdale4 ~~~~

You're welcome! I'm afraid I fail at explaining signatures, however; the <nowiki></nowiki> tags were just so that the tildes didn't turn into my signature; you'll have to take them off in order to sign. It's explained a bit better at Help:Wiki_markup#Nowiki. Sophus Bie ^(talk) 19:26, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Need help creating a proper gallery in Azerbaijani rug

(From my post here) At Azerbaijani rug, an ip put a lot of work into creating a gallery, but placed it at the top of the page in a manner that causes display problems. Per MOS it should go at the bottom, but my attempts to do so could not fix the display problems. Anyone have time to get it up to MOS, a nice gallery with appropriate captions and alt-text that the ip attempted but didn't get to work? --Ronz (talk) 19:11, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I placed them vertically. Ruslik_Zero 19:34, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Much appreciated! I'd like help changing it to a proper gallery, with the alt-text working, but at least the display problems are gone. --Ronz (talk) 20:00, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

New Article Submission

Hello, I would like to create an entry in Wikipedia for a well known product in the worldwide marketplace. The name of the product is Penetrex. Currently, the only reference available for Penetrex within Wikipedia references an old, discontinued, irrelevant product which went by the generic name of Enoxacin. At one time, the drug Enoxacin was also known by a brand name...Penetrex. The drug is no longer available, it has been discontinued. The Penetrex trademark for this particular use has expired and is officially "DEAD".

The Trademark is active and currently held by Biomax Health Products, Inc. of Del Mar, CA for use as a topical, over-the-counter analgesic. <long advertisement redacted> As I began my quest to accomplish this task on my own, I could not help but get the impression that, due to my lack of experience in this area, I would benefit from approaching this Community Help Desk resource to elicit advice moving forward.

Might someone be able to steer me in the right direction? Thank-you in advance.

Sincerely, Pamela Weiss — Preceding unsigned comment added by Penetrex (talk • contribs) 20:38, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

The important question is whether there are multiple reliable sources, independent of Biomax, which discuss the drug (not just catalogues and price lists). If there are, then the subject is notable, and may have an article. If you are associated with the company (which I suspect you are, from what you have written), you have a conflict of interest, and so should not create such an article yourself; but if I have misinterpreted and you are not associated, then you may create the article yourself: see WP:Your first article. Otherwise you could request an article at [WP:Requested articles]]. --ColinFine (talk) 22:01, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

If it were in fact a drug, it would be possible to find such sources about it. But Penetrex, like Tiger Balm, etc., is a blend of harmless substances (listed on the company's own web site), and has therefore not needed to go through the thorough testing required of drugs. My own use of Google to look for sources that would be acceptable here found nothing convincing. YMMV. Maproom (talk) 22:51, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

My article entitled: Clear View (house)

Hello

I was in the process of writing about a house of interest as per the above subject line. It was not my intention to release it yet as more work was required to it. However, by saving the article I appear to have inadvertently placed it on Wikipedia and I note it has been deleted.

I have some questions:

1) How do I access the article so I can do more work to it? 2) How do I simply save the article as a draft without releasing it? 3) When I am finished and want it published on Wikipedia how do I go about this? 4) Out of interest why was the article deleted?

Thank you in advance for your kind attention to this matter.

Kind regards Paul

Moulash (talk) 20:44, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

According to the deleting administrator's summary, the article was deleted as "unambiguous advertising or promotion: no independent sources, no evidence of notability". If you would like to work on the article to address these problems, the best first step is to go to the talk page of that administrator, Jimfbleak (talk · contribs), and ask him to restore the article in your userspace. Unless the article contained a copyright violation or defamation of a living person, he will probably be willing to do so. (If for some reason he isn't, you can ask at WP:REFUND.) When you think the article is ready for the encyclopedia, you can submit it at Wikipedia:Articles for creation or (perhaps after asking the advice of Jimfbleak or some other knowledgable Wikipedian with regard to its suitability) just move it to the article space yourself. Deor (talk) 22:07, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Moulash. Your article was deleted by User:Jimfbleak, with the explanation "G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion: no independent sources, no evidence of notability)". If you ask him (or another administrator) to userfy the article, they will place it in a sub page of your user page, where you can work on it. However, if Jimfbleak's judgment is accurate, it is probably not worth it, because the article would need to be started from scratch. If on researching you discover that the subject is notable (which it may be, but according to Jimfbleak your draft article didn't say so), then it will be worth trying again: I suggest you read WP:YFA. --ColinFine (talk) 22:10, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

What killed it was language like this (all peacock words taken verbatim from your article draft): "successful and well regarded quantity surveyor and engineer", "enjoyed a wonderful and unobstructed view of the luscious Purley Downs" "tremendously modern dream home occupying a favourable spot overlooking an uninterrupted vista of endless greenery", "good sized plot of land large enough to accommodate a generous sized house, "embraced all that was Art Deco and in vogue at the time", "enjoys all day sun", "enjoyed 4 bedrooms, 3 of which were extraordinarily large": this reads like a real estate agent's listing, not an encyclopedia article. Forgive my cynicism, but combined with your insertion of the house into at least one other article, one cannot but wonder whether you are involved with the house or its owner(s) in some way. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:19, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Your opening sentence on Barack Obama is inaccurate and misleading...

To Whom It Concerns;

I don't know who's responsible for the content on this page about Barack Obama, but it is inaccurate and misleading.

On the page, you claim that Obama is the first African American president. It should read that he's the first bi-racial president! His father was black, but his mother was white! There is no scientific evidence that the black gene is dominant. By listing him as the first African American president, you are doing a disservice to any future person, who is full African American and becomes president! Also, in my opinion, you yourselves come off as being racist for thinking the black gene is dominant by listing him as the first African American president, when he clearly is not.

Thank You;

Wayne White — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.180.65.249 (talk) 21:01, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

(Not that it's relevant – but there is no such thing as "the black gene", dominant or otherwise.)

Obama is American, so the article about him uses American terminology, in which someone with 50%, or even 25%, African ancestry is regarded as black. As a Brit, I find this weird; but that's the way those guys use the word. Maproom (talk) 21:13, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

To add to Maproom's response, the issue is not whether I, or you, or anyone else thinks he should or should not be called something. The issue is "what to the preponderance of reliable sources say on the matter". The vast majority of very reliable sources, when using any such terminology, use the phrase "African-American" or the word "Black", unless specifically discussing his familial history in detail. There's no analysis done here at Wikipedia to figure out whether or not such sources are "logically sound", merely that Wikipedia matches the preponderance of mainstream, reliable sources. Or to put it in simpler terms: nearly everyone else calls him the first African-American President, so Wikipedia should too. The fact that we can come up with reasons why those sources should, or shouldn't, call him so is irrelevant. Wikipedia is not built on what we can reason our way into (after all, there's often good arguments to be made on both sides of any question), it's built on what the rest of the world says. --Jayron32 23:40, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Just to confuse the matter further, in the wrong place, by some American definitions, Mr. Obama is not an African-American at all. Since the United States is a nation of immigrants, every American has one or more national origins, and hyphenated national terms indicate those origins, so that I could say that I am British-American. The term African-American is sometimes used to refer to a "national origin" of the dreadful trans-Atlantic slave trade. There is no indication that Mr. Obama's ancestors on either side came to the United States in slave holds. If one uses the term African-American to refer to the Middle Passage, he is not an African-American at all, because he is a Kenyan-American on his father's side. However, reliable sources do, contradicting themselves, refer to him both as the first African-American president and the first black President. I just threw that comment in. It isn't worth discussing here. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:59, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Also, the place for any such discussion is the article talk page. This Help Desk is for questions about how to edit Wikipedia, not what should be in Wikipedia. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:47, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Adding ideal spacing between an apostrope and quote mark

I have used the following citation in an article:

<ref>{{cite news
|last=Tobar
|first=Hector
|title=Oxford English Dictionary's hunt for the origins of 'revirginize'
|url=(omitted here so this doesn't increase the entire help desk's page width)
|newspaper=[[Los Angeles Times]]
|date=May 15, 2013}}

which formats as:

Tobar, Hector (May 15, 2013). "Oxford English Dictionary's hunt for the origins of 'revirginize'". Los Angeles Times.

As you can see, since the title ends in an apostrophe, and the template properly places quote marks around the title, it results in the end of the title appearing as: ''' This is not ideal spacing. If it were in plain text (I could dispense with the citation template, but I don't wish to) I could use {{"'}}. I could place a non-breaking space after the apostrophe, or use {{pad|1px}} maybe? but I'm not sure that that spacing is ideal. Is there a standard solution?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:04, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

You could add   after 'revirginize' to insert a thin space between the closing single quote and the closing double quote. In a case like this, it might also be acceptable to use "curly" single quotes (available in the drop-down menu below the edit window) around revirginize to distinguish the quotation marks. Deor (talk) 22:23, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Perhaps writing the title as "Oxford English Dictionary's hunt for the origins of 'revirginize' " will do the trick: "Oxford English Dictionary's hunt for the origins of 'revirginize' "? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:39, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Aha!   seems perfect. Thank you Deor! And thank you Justlettersandnumbers as well. I had though of using a non-breaking space (in my question) but it's a full space so doesn't look quite right. I think I'll go add this to the places I immediately went to look for an answer but found nothing.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:45, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

{{Single space}} would be simpler. --  Gadget850 ^talk 12:50, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Confused! - Photo adding to infobox

Hello,

I am very lost on how to add a picture to the infobox that shows up on the right hand side of a wiki page. I looked online and you have a lot of info of how to add a photo that already has a place online, but how can I add a logo of the company from my computer to wiki?

Thank you.

Before you can use any picture in a Wikipedia article, you first have to upload it to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons: see WP:UPLOAD. Normally in order to use a picture it must be either in the public domain, or have been specifically released under a suitable licence by the copyright holder; in the case of company logos it is usually possible to upload and use them only following the terms of the non-free content policy.

(And please sign your posts on any talk or discussion page by four tildes: ~~~~) --ColinFine (talk) 22:18, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Some logos are public domain and others are not. It would be easiest to upload to here at approx. 300px wide. If you think it is PD from lack of creative detail you could ask at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright with a link to the company website. They are pretty good at judging PD. If it is borderline then someone could put it in deletion review over there to help decide where it should be hosted. I usually make the call myself and decide which project should host it. File:Branson Belle stage curtain 2005.jpg is one that may be borderline. They would still need Template:Trademarked no matter where they are uploaded though. Most times you can ask at this help desk with a link to the company website or article. Someone may volunteer to rip a newer one from the website and replace it. The copyright ones would also need Template:Orphaned non-free revisions to remove older versions after the new one is uploaded.--Canoe1967 (talk) 06:53, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Daniel Martony Professional Baseball Player

I did not know where else to post this to but I am a huge fan of Danny's and believe he should have a wiki page made for him. He is a Professional Baseball Pitcher who plays for Winnipeg Goldeyes in the American Association and former played with Gateway Grizzlies of the Frontier League. He attended NCAA Division 1 Oral Roberts University where he played on a baseball scholarship. He is born and raised in Santa Barbara, Ca and birthday is January 31st, 1989. You can look up many articles on him to verify all the facts and countless stories on him or articles about his achievements. Please someone with some wiki training and experience help all of his many fans out into making him a legitimate Wikipedia page. Thank you and God Bless! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.76.142.144 (talk) 22:13, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

If there are indeed such articles, then we could have a page about him. You could try writing it yourself - see WP:Your first article; or you might find somebody to help you at WT:WikiProject Baseball; or failing that you could make a request at WP:Requested articles. --ColinFine (talk) 22:20, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Sergei Makarov

I tried to fix this page to use just one template, but for some reason I destroyed everything. I tried to fix it, but it didn't work. Can someone help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.170.129.173 (talk) 23:51, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you were trying to do - but it clearly didn't work, so I've restored the article to the state it was before you started editing. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:59, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I was trying to do this. I'm not sure why all those changes kept on being made. 108.170.129.173 (talk) 00:45, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Curious. Some sort of software glitch possibly? Anyway, is it all right now? AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:56, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Do you have the browser extension Dictionary of Numbers? That can cause removal of strings starting with numbers. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:00, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I do. That seems to be the problem. Thank you PrimeHunter, I'll disable it from now on. 108.170.129.173 (talk) 01:45, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

May 22

Writing-level and our target demographic - specifically named?

I was looking through dozens of policies/guidelines/MoS pages, for something that clearly states (something like):

The target audience (or average writing-level) that we aim for in our articles, is highschoolers/collegefreshmen/fluent-adults/etc.

but the only mention I could find was in the "language" point of WP:YOUNG, which is essentially referring to WP:TONE.

Is there a specific mention somewhere, of our "target demographic"? Or is a quietly unstated idea (because it would lead to disputes and frustration if we were to "name" and enforce any particular level, given the whole stages of development diversity)? Thanks. –Quiddity (talk) 02:31, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Make technical articles understandable, which discusses what audience to write for. Wikipedia articles should generally be written for the "general reader", that is someone with no specialized knowledge of the subject before reading the article. In practice, the "Audience" section of that page, makes a good point that Wikipedia articles should generally progress from the general to the technical, in that people without any specialized knowledge should be able to get the gist of any article from the lead, but that the article can also go into technical details in the interest of thoroughness. The paragraph "Most of Wikipedia's articles can be written so that they may be fully understandable by the general reader with average reading ability and motivation. Some articles are themselves technical in nature and some articles have technical sections or aspects. Many of these can also be written to be understandable to the widest audience. Some topics are intrinsically hard or require a great deal of prior knowledge gained through years of further education or training. It is unreasonable to expect a comprehensive article on such subjects to be understandable to all readers. However, effort should still be made to make the article as understandable as possible, with particular emphasis on the lead section." seems to say it all. Too many Wikipedia articles ignore the general reader, however. This is a problem. --Jayron32 02:46, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

There has been considerable discussion on Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics about the fact that some articles are not written in a way that can be understood by the general populace, but unfortunately the terminology used in the article is particular to high level mathematics and would get very repetitive to explain in every article.Naraht (talk) 13:57, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

WP:TECHNICAL is definitely what I was looking for. Much thanks. I'll link to it, from a few more places. (I was initially wanting to add it to the advice I left in this VPR thread, but have since reconsidered, as it would probably distract from the main points. It does help me for the future though.) –Quiddity (talk) 23:09, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Resolved

What is "ktg6us78hf8vdu7"

An editor recently made some changes to some articles and (perhaps) inadvertently added this strange markup: <a class="ktg6us78hf8vdu7" href="javascript:void(0)"> (Examples: 1, 2, 3.) I Googled the string and found a number of pages with this markup. I also searched Wikipedia and found these articles contain that strange string. Anybody come across this and know what it is so that I can help educate editors to "turn off ____ toolbar before editing" or "run anti-virus software" or whatever the case may be? Thanks! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:39, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

I think I answered my own question. Might be a malicious browser extension. MediaWiki:Abusefilter-warning-codespill. But any other info would be delightful. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:44, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

How do I write an entry?

I want to add a Wikipedia article about a subject that doesn't have a page yet, how do I go about doing this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Katiedavis1989 (talk • contribs) 04:01, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

The page Wikipedia:Your first article is a pretty decent guide towards building your first article. The most important advice is to collect your source material first, that is have at your hands the reliable sources you intend to cite so people can verify what you intend to write. But seriously read Wikipedia:Your first article. It'll walk you through the process. --Jayron32 04:16, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Dr Who

When you have searched and found the subject, ie: DR Who, in the list of episodes when you say 3-6, are missing do you mean 3,4,5,6 are missing. Help thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.213.135.193 (talk) 05:02, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes. For example in the table at Doctor_Who_missing_episodes, when it says 3-6 are missing, it means 3,4,5,6. If it didn't include all of those it would say for example "1 & 4" meaning only 1 and 4 and not all the ones in between. RudolfRed (talk) 05:26, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Phillip Lee Eyer

I would like to know more about this Singer/Songwriter I know he was born in Mt.Pleasent Michigan November 17, 1962 and he has been recording music in Nashville Tennessee — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.104.144.83 (talk) 07:35, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately we do not have an article on Phillip Lee Eyer. If your research turns up enough information to show that he meets the inclusion requirements, it would be great if you could write one; have a look at Your first article for guidance. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:57, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Amy Childs artcile

For some reason the entire article is more or less doubled and oddly setup. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.159.80.149 (talk) 08:20, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

This has now been corrected, thank you for flagging it up. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:59, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

 Done--Canoe1967 (talk) 09:02, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

False article

The article about zorko says the town is the capital of the upper east region. I write to report that it is not true. The capital of the upper east region is bolgatanga. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.251.169.128 (talk) 08:50, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Please could you clarify which article you are referring to - Wikipedia has a number of pages named Zorko, none of which is about a town. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:54, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

 Done.Bolgatanga was vandalized. I just fixed it.--Canoe1967 (talk) 09:07, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Mistakenly deleted all references from Cuisenaire Rods page

Dear Help Desk, I have recently created a Wikipedia account and wanted to add a reference to the reference part of the Cuisenaire Rods page, but have unintentionally deleted it all and do not know how do undo this mistake. Please help! Heol23 (talk) 09:05, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

 Done - I've undone the last 3 edits you made to the article. If you need any help then just ask here again or message me. Good luck though and thanks for letting us know ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 09:12, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

If you want to correct similar errors in future, go to the article's history page, select the range of edits which you wish to correct & check the differences, then select "Undo". - David Biddulph (talk) 09:15, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Earls of Sefton

Dear Sir or Madam, On your page about the, Earls of Sefton you state that the DNA of the Earls of Sefton is Haplogroup I2a2a, could you please tell me where this information was sourced as it is not known to most, this would be helpful towards my family research, thank you Antony Molyneux Steele. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.6.192.250 (talk) 10:14, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

The citation for that section includes the information. It points to this site. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 11:18, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

You may also be interested in the article "Molyneux (surname)". Maproom (talk) 11:46, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Sundial dated 1673

I have acquired a sundial dated 1673. I know only that it is a southern hemisphere instrument, 28 degrees South. How do I determine what exact location it was built for?

The inscription in English "SUNNY HOURES" does not suggest a South American location. Would I get information from this site?--Dunsandledogs12 (talk) 10:17, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

You could try the Reference Desk. They specialise in stuff like this and i'm sure someone can help you. This help desk is for problems related to Wikipedia and editing Wikipedia. Good luck ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 11:12, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

The date is far too early for northern Natal/Zululand in South Africa - that area only acquired an English-speaking population in the first half of the 19th century. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:10, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Images and logos

I have seen many readers and subjects (not editors) arrive here to discuss images and logos for articles. I recently made a change to Help:Contents which is the first place they land on when they click help on the sidebar. My change was reverted and we are discussing it at Help_talk:Contents#Images. The way the page is worded now we are asking them to edit their own articles after uploading images. I have seen this cause many problems and abuse of subjects. "Anyone can edit" may be wrong in this case as they try to follow the instructions without every seeing a COI page. I placed my instructions in the "I want to report a problem with an article" section for those that want to provide or update images for any article that they see with an image problem. That is where they were reverted because we already have instructions in the 'how to edit' section. I feel we need it in both. The second for readers, subjects, others connected to articles, and those that may not wish to edit. If they don't like the state of images in articles they may have better ones that they have copyright on, or can contact someone that does. Images are a problem in many articles so this should help to improve images and add more. We may wish to add it to the Wikipedia:Contact us landing page as well in case they click that first. Further discussion should carry on at Help_talk:Contents#Images. We may also wish to link the discussion to BLPN where it shows up the odd time.--Canoe1967 (talk) 11:55, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

"Template:Morris West"? I iz teh FAIL

Hello all,
I'm trying to to start a template for Australian author Morris West along the lines of {{Template:Patrick White}}. At present my effort is completely rubbish: it doesn't work at all.
Heeeeelp! --Shirt58 (talk) 12:08, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

 Fixed You were stuffing the works into the image field. --  Gadget850 ^talk 12:16, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Infobox for a mental health helpline service

Please take a look at Breathing Space Scotland, a new article fresh from AfC, the "handmade" table needs to be replaced by a suitable infobox but I'm not having much success finding the right one for the job. Please help. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:55, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Category:Organization infobox templates should have one. Company seems to fit.--Canoe1967 (talk) 13:00, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Carspear

Hello,

I have created two accounts to create an article on Carspear.

The accounts are. - carspear - patriotcannon

Both articles in the accounts have been deleted by the help desk.

Please delete both the accounts. Carspear search on google is bringing up closed account and inaccurate text. Kindly help!!

Sincerely,

Sean Dalal

General Manager — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patriotcanon (talk • contribs) 13:07, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

There are several things wrong here.

One person should not have two accounts. It's not that important, but it leaves them open to accusations of having created the second account for some improper purpose.

Articles are not "in" accounts. They are in Wikipedia, and are created by editors, who (usually) have accounts.

The help desk does not delete articles. Editors with admin powers sometimes delete articles.

Accounts cannot be deleted (though articles can). Maproom (talk) 13:36, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

I now see that you had created a page about the business "Carspear" on the user page of your account "Carspear". The contents of this page were deleted by an admin, as advertising; and the account "Carspear" was blocked from editing. This, in my view, was all as it should be.

Now, a Google search for "Carspear" gives me the blocked editor's user page as its fifth hit. This is unfortunate. You started to edit Wikipedia without reading anything about its guidelines, but you didn't do anything dishonest or malicious, so it is unfortunate if your business suffers as a result. But I doubt it will; a user of Google will have no reason to associate User:Carspear with your business. Maproom (talk) 13:48, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

It's unfortunate, but Wikipedia is not a yellow pages and not all publicity is good publicity. You took a risk advertising your business in such a way and it backfired. Unfortunate but hopefully a deterrent to others seeking to do the same. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 13:56, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

The good news is that Google's mysterious algorithms eventually delist deleted Wikipedia pages, so after a week or so the deleted page will no longer show up in searches. So there's that... Yunshui 雲‍水 14:01, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

And User:GorillaWarfare has blocked Patriotcanon for legal threats, which puzzles me; I've placed an inquiry at Gorilla's talk page. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:29, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

She's also been notified of this discussion. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:32, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

This user came to #wikipedia-en-help, where s/he repeatedly asked us to remove the results for these pages in the Google and Yahoo searches. S/he also repeatedly asked us to delete the pages at User:Carspear and Carspear, despite us explaining several times that the articles are deleted, and that the pages that remain to tell you that cannot be removed. Eventually the user began talking about how this was trademark infringement, and informed us that s/he would be contacting the legal team about the issue. – GorillaWarfare (talk) 18:36, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Citation Help

When i add this source in article <ref name="attendance">{{cite web |title=eu football|url=http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/attneng.htm|accessdate=june 24 |accessyear= 2006}}</ref>

article show this-> (

) . can anyone know why? --Aftab1995 (talk) 13:52, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

"Accessyear" isn't a recognised parameter in the template - use this instead: <ref name="attendance">{{cite web |title=eu football|url=http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn/attneng.htm|accessdate=June 24 2006}}</ref>. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:55, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

You can see at the documentation for Template:Cite web that "accessyear" is deprecated. Dismas|^(talk) 14:01, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks --Aftab1995 (talk) 14:19, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Iain Glen

His theatre work includes a play named "Small engine repair". That's unusual enough...but then it is wikilinked to our article on Small engine repair, instead of the play. Is that right? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 14:28, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

I have disambiguated the title of the play. The article now has a handy WP:Redlink for Small Engine Repair (play) from which you, or anyone else, may create an apropriate article if you wish. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:49, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Roger ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 14:51, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Problem creating page in different language

I'm having serious issues creating a new version of a page in a different language. I'm sure I've done this in the past but I can't seem to do it now even following the help guidelines. I'd really like to set up the spanish version of this article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlo_Ratti

Can someone help me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jenniyoung87 (talk • contribs) 15:29, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

You can't create articles in different languages here on the English wikipedia, you need to go to the Spanish site. Here is a direct link to where you can create it there. Sarahj2107 (talk) 15:43, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Great. Thanks! I was doing it backwards Jenniyoung87 (talk) 16:10, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Hoax talk page

I noticed a hoax talk page, so I speedied it. The question is, did I put it in the right place? The speedied talk is Talk:New Super Mario Bros. 3. Thanks, Darrman (talk) 15:54, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

It's not a hoax, it is a legitimate talk page of an article page that has been redirected - there is a notice on the redirect page to the effect that it is under discussion - WP:Redirects for discussion#New Super Mario Bros. 3. I've removed the mistaken speedy. The talk page's "fate" will depend on the outcome of the discussion of the redirect - we cannot have two separate simultaneous processes for a mainspace page and its talk page - they are two sides of the same coin (or page if you will). Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:16, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

What I'm trying to say is the content is a hoax, not necessarily the article. You know, the stuff saying about release date and items. I get what you mean about the talk page not being able to be deleted, though. As for the original question, though, where do I put it? The same user made some more hoaxes, and I want to delete them: Talk:Super Mario 3D Land 2, Talk:Super Mario Sunshine 2, and Talk:Super Mario Galaxy U. Darrman (talk) 16:36, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Those are already gone - deleted together with their "main" pages. In such cases you speedy the "main" page itself, not the talk page, then the talk page will be deleted with it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:50, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Darrman (talk) 16:52, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Abaarso Tech

Note: Moved from Help talk:Contents#Abaarso Tech -- Moxy (talk) 16:54, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Since 2011, the last time that Abaarso Tech page: (Abaarso Tech) was correctly modified many things changed. As of 2013, the school's name is no more Abaarso Tech, rather it is Abaarso School of Science and Technology. Fortunately, I have updated all the information in this page, but now, I would like if we could also change the page name to: Abaarso School of Science and Technology (Abaarso School). I believe that this enhancement will greatly improve this page.

--Abdirahim Mohammad (talk) 15:17, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

 Done - Abaarso School of Science and Technology.Moxy (talk) 17:01, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Glucuronzuur

I want to fill the article from the Nederlands language 'Glucuronzuur' It is still empty, but the English page exists. There is the Nederlands article 'Glycoside' that refers to the 'Glucuronzuur' but the link is red, not blue. I understand English and Nederlands, but am a bit new with the Wikipedia syntax. I offer unlimited time to help making this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edward.dhuyvetter (talk • contribs) 17:34, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Edward,

Yes. It can be a bit confusing when you first start to edit Wikipedia. But keep trying and it will start to make sense. Asking at the help desk was a good move.

It seems that the article you created was not a translation of Glucuronic acid but a direct copy. That is why it was tagged for speedy deletion.

Did you know that the Nederlands Wikipedia is at nl.wikipedia.org? Really the article you want to create should be at nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucuronzuur. It may be a good idea to ask at the helpdesk on the Nederlands Wikipedia how they like their translations to be done. They may say they would prefer you to do the whole translation before you start the article. If that is the case, there is no harm in you working on your translation in your own WP:Userspace. This could be at User:Edward.dhuyvetter/Glucuronzuur or at nl:Gebruiker:Edward.dhuyvetter/Glucuronzuur. When you are happy with your translation, you can then copy it into the Nederlands Wikipedia mainspace.

If, when doing your translating, you have trouble with the wikisyntax, you may find WP:Cheat sheet helpful.

Yaris678 (talk) 18:05, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

How to add "Edit" link to long article section headings?

There is an extremely long biographical article Stephen Harper that I'd like to edit a section of. Why do most entries have "edit" links beside headings, whereas this particular biography is extremely long and lacks this option to edit a section? Is this feature a commonly inserted item, and if not, what is the code to add such an attribute? Secondary question: this same article has a table of contents that's invisible to me in the raw wiki code shown in editing window. How does one see or change this code? --Emperor Zhark (talk) 18:09, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

I see edit links for all the sections. RudolfRed (talk) 18:14, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

That article is currently semi-protected; logged in auto-confirmed users will have edit tabs available to them, but unregistered and users not logged in will not. Dru of Id (talk) 18:17, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

The Table of contents is created automatically, although it can be done specifically through coding; see Help:Section. Dru of Id (talk) 18:23, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the prompt replies. Mysteriously the <edit> tags are now apparent beside this article's section headings, so as an auto-confirmed and registered user navigation by section will now be easier.--Emperor Zhark (talk) 19:23, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

See Village pump (technical)#Section edit links are migrating westwards . Dru of Id (talk) 20:08, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

re-submitting an article

Hi - I submitted an article, was told it was not ready for prime time, and have now edited it. How do I resubmit it? Thanks!Karen9093 (talk) 19:59, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

You removed the box at the top of the article that had the resubmit link. [2]. If you put that line back at the top of the article, you'll have a link to click to resubmit. RudolfRed (talk) 20:03, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karen9093 (talk • contribs) 20:17, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

complaint!!!!!!!!

You have a photograph of my daughter on this website that u did not i repeat did not ask permission to show/use. my daughter is at one year of age and I her mother do not want her identity plastered all over the internet for any sick minded person to see and do only god knows what with it!!! This is disgusting that any person can see this picture and do what they want with it. and to not get parental permission is absolutely unthinkable. I am sure many mothers, fathers and any other child carers would agree with this. Take the pictures down at once and appologise as appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.15.206.188 (talk) 21:15, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

You didn't say which page or image you refer to. Wikipedia has more than 4 million articles but I suspect you actually have a page made by Facebook and not Wikipedia in mind. Facebook pages may get some of their content from Wikipedia but that doesn't mean Wikipedia made the whole page. See Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2013 May 10#Re: pictures of my child without my permission for one of several previous discussions about this. If your post is indeed about a Facebook page then it's possible that only you and your Facebook friends see that image on that page. I cannot say more without knowing which page and image you refer to. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:29, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes. Could you clarify where the image can be seen? Is it On a Wikipedia page, or perhaps on FaceBook? If it is the latter, it is nothing to do with us, and probably isn't being seen by anyone but your 'friends' at most: see here [3]. Note that Wikepedia has no connection with FaceBook, and has no control over their content whatsoever. In the unlikely chance that this image actually appears on Wikipedia itself, you will need to tell us where to find it before we can do anything. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:31, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

I suspect it's this again. No-one is stealing your daughter's image - Facebook displays images which you yourself have uploaded (and which are only available to your Facebook friends), however because the default image for their page is taken from Wikipedia, clicking the picture (erroneously) shows Wikipedia as the source. Unless you've uploaded one yourself, Wikipedia does not have any pictures of your daughter. Yunshui 雲‍水 21:48, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Lockheed Model 10 Electra

Lockheed Model 10 Electra (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Lloyd Stearman (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Wikipedia's entra for Lockheed Model 10 Electra has inaccurate material on the design and creation of this airplane. The Electra was primarily designed by my father Lloyd C. Stearman who was the first president of Lockheed Aircraft Corporation. In fact this company was formed for the express purpose of building the all metal transport aircraft which became the Model 10 Electra which he began designing in our our living room. I personally watched him design this plane. When Lockheed was formed the design was modified, under my father's direction by Chief Engineer Hall Hibbard and then U.of Michgan student Clarence "Kelly" Johnson. (See Stearman Aircraft a Detalied Study by Edward H. Phillips p 111)

WilliamLloyd Stearman, PhD 10416 Rockville Pike 301 North Bethesda, MD 20852 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.127.148.219 (talk) 22:34, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

I think that it might be best to raise this matter at Talk:Lockheed Model 10 Electra - it might get more attention there. As Wikipedia articles are based on published sources, I'm not sure that your personal recollection will help regarding what the article should say concerning the matter, unfortunately, though via Google books, I can see that the book you cite certainly states that your father was at least "deeply involved" in the Electra design - it won't let me see P.111. A quick search however shows that the National Aviation Hall of Fame also credits Stearman as having "designed the famous Electra airplane", and on that basis, I think it is safe to at least edit the article to indicate that he played a major role. I'll edit the article accordingly, and leave a note on the talk page suggesting that this needs further research. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:10, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

I have notified WP:WikiProject Aircraft about this discussion, I trust the subject specialists there would respond soon. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:27, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

May 23

problem?

Hello. I think I have identified an individual who has done much harm to articles. This is the user in question - [4] . At the moment I am working on some project of mine, and I noticed that many pages that contain population data have been changed. Census data in the former yugoslavia did not have the category "bosniak". Instead it had the category muslims, which referred to muslims by nationality. I am of the opinion that a person has let their emotions run wild, and that as a result they have changed many articles. I found this accidentally, as I am working on a project. Wikipedia of course is not my main source, but I pop in on it from time to time just for very basic reference stuff. I do not have the time to go around patrolling the pages in vain. (Lilicneiu (talk) 00:05, 23 May 2013 (UTC)).

The edits in question were all carried out during a single day in November last year. The editor in question has been warned, and hasn't edited since. Other than reverting any edits that have not yet been reverted (I'll check), there seems little point in doing anything more. 00:12, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Where can I go to find help from other users with regards to a music related notability question?

From what I can tell, neither here nor the reference desk seem the correct place to ask them, and I have already checked through the WikiProjects list without much luck. --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 00:14, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia talk:Notability (music)? CTF83! 00:36, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

For specific advice, you can seek advice at Wikipedia:Notability/Noticeboard. Singularity42 (talk) 00:38, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

I have tried neither, but I will do so straight away. Many thanks guys. --Skamecrazy123 (talk) 01:16, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Problem with Infobox

Another editor has twice deleted the infobox I added today to this article [5]. The other editor says the infobox is 'broken' [6]. I can't see that it is. Any help with this would be much appreciated. NinaGreen (talk) 05:10, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

The "issue" parameter is printing the name of his child, unindented, on the line below the word "issue". I believe this is what the other editor is talking about. Regardless, what you should do, in as polite and friendly a manner as possible, is to ask them directly on their user talk page and wait for a response from them. There's no way anyone here can read his or her mind. If you want to know why someone does something, ask them directly. --Jayron32 05:19, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

CSS class for autoconfirmed users

Is there a CSS class which lets only autoconfirmed users see the content? Like the sysop-show. --Glaisher (talk) 06:42, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia:Catalogue of CSS classes, no, there isn't. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:19, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Cross language Infobox images?

Excluding Commons, it looks like it is not possible to use images in infoboxes from other Wikipedia languages versions. The language prefix such as :de, :it, etc. will not work Is this by design? If so why? Rixxardo (talk) 08:23, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Which image is it you need to use? If it's in an infobox then it may be copyrighted and used under a Fair Use clause, and so not on the Commons. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 08:32, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

They may be like File:Kelvin bridge by RFT.png where we moved it from the German project to commons. I was amazed it was harder to find an image of one than build one and take a picture of it, which I was tempted to do. Commons may help to translate the licenses from other projects.--Canoe1967 (talk) 08:45, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

For example, an image created in the Italian Wikipedia version won't be usable in the English Wikipedia version. Basically it won't be displayed in the infobox, regardless the advanced syntax. Maybe I'm mistaken? If not, what syntax should be used to display correctly an image from other language?Rixxardo (talk) 08:59, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Second opinion requested on this edit

I'm tempted to revert it, but would like a second opinion before I do.

Basically, the revision deleted a paragraph about environmental concerns on a power plant. The edit summary is blank, and it's the only edit ever from that IP address. The IP address appears to be in Utah, from either Delta (10 mi S of the power plant) or Fillmore (20 mi S of Delta). Could be someone with a WP:COI, or just a knowledgeable local.

If you look a few revisions back, I had tried to improve that paragraph, and marked some statements as needing citation, as the referenced article did not substantiate them. I wasn't really a fan of it, but I left them in because they seemed plausible.

If the edit had just been accompanied by a comment like "Just nuke the unsubstantiated statements", I probably would have acceded.

But even though the paragraph is pretty borderline for value, and I'm not sure I want to champion reintroducing it, this set off my "deleting criticism from Wikipedia" radar.

If I decide it should be reverted, I'll go and mention it to the user on their talk page, etc., but I'm currently debating whether to object at all.

Could someone take a look and advise me? (Also feel free to take action yourself if that's easier than telling me to.) Thank you!

71.41.210.146 (talk) 08:27, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

After reading the section it appears to be a general criticism tacked onto that power plant. It could do with more citations but i would support restoring it and leaving on the tags you placed for a period of time. I'd say the opposite only if the section was obvious spam or if there were a GA or FA status for the article. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 08:59, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Numbered list with images to its left

I put images on both sides of a numbered list in the Mishneh Torah article, but as a result the hierarchy of the list was lost. Hence, my edits were reverted. Can somebody fix the list while preserving the images? --Jonund (talk) 08:28, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

If the images do add value to the article rather use Template:Gallery to arrange them neatly. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:39, 23 May 2013 (UTC)