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nenad bach

Nenad Bach (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I live in one of the ex Yugoslav republics. Accidently, I know a lot about Nenad Bacich (Bach). So: what the hell is the "European chart"?!? Does anybody have heard about that? Bach's band had never been "european charts topping", it's ridiculous. "Vrijeme i zemlja" sold less than 1000 copise of their first album. (This was intersting music, but pretty artistic). Second album (not mentioned here), published by serbian PGP records, was sold in, aproximately, 256 copies. It wasn't a aetistic music anymore. In USA I don't know exactly, but consider: is it relistic that this man sold a MILION copies?!?!? This article is a uneatable, obscure self propaganda. Remove this from Wikipedia, please.

Y Article is now in AFD, discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nenad Bach - Cwobeel (talk) 00:52, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

The article survived AFD. The LP in this case is notable as a peace activist, not necessarily for being a musician. - Cwobeel (talk) 00:03, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

alex galindo

This biography does not mention anything of this person. Talks about her step daughter and is poorly written. Please verify.

I have removed the non-English text in Alex Galindo. Thanks for pointing that out. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 00:10, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Psychopathy in the workplace

Psychopathy in the workplace (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Article contains weasel worded statements that strongly imply multiple corporate executives suffer from a psychological disorder (many executives from firms listed as examples are still living). While a source is provided for the speculation, there is no evidence the source author had the access to these corporate executives needed to perform a proper clinical evaluation. The article's primary author is also linking this article in multiple WP:SEEALSO sections, spreading the insinuations to multiple locations. --Allen3 ^talk 00:17, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

I'll take a look. - Cwobeel (talk) 00:43, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Looks OK now. I have watchlisted. - Cwobeel (talk) 00:44, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Girl You Know Ir's True

Girl You Know It's True (song) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Charles Henneberger sang the part , "Oooh Oooh OOh / I love you. girl you know it;s true". Charles Henneberger , was the original singer on this song. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.18.200.89 (talk • contribs)

The record cover [1] does list him as a guest singer. Other than the fact that he later released two albums under the name "Charles Christopher" [2], I couldn't find much information on him. So unless you can provide a reliable source that mentions him being the original singer of the song, we cannot include it.  NQ  talk 15:11, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Ernie Green

Ernie Green (former Cleveland Browns fullback) has NO middle name. Ernest E. "Ernie" Green . . . is inaccurate. I am his son, Ernie Green, Jr.

 Done Probably added by mistake during routine cleanup - judging from the history. NQ  talk 14:52, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Patrick William Kennedy

Patrick Kennedy was Chairman of Nautical Petroleum PLC until its acquisition in 2012 by Cairn Energy PLC for £414 million. </rhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-18422594ef>

Sorry, but could not locate an article on Patrick William Kennedy - Cwobeel (talk) 03:41, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

It looks to me like he was suggesting that such an article be created; I've left a note on his talk page steering him toward Wikipedia:Requested articles. --Nat Gertler (talk) 04:16, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Dinesh D'Souza

Dinesh D'Souza (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Disagreement at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dinesh_D%27Souza#Convicted_status as to whether D'Souza's legal status can be stated as "convicted" on the wikipedia page; D'Souza's legal status is currently "convicted and awaiting sentencing" but most news outlets have focused on the fact that he pled guilty with a notation of the sentencing date, not the precise word "convicted." 98.196.234.202 (talk) 16:50, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

As IP states, we do not have RS which say "D'Souza was convicted of ...." He has entered a guilty plea. The court must accept the plea, get a sentencing report, and then pronounce sentence. Once the news media reports on this we can say he's convicted. If IP will be patient, the information will develop and then added to the article. – S. Rich (talk) 17:02, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Not to re-hash things overly but, the court has already accepted the plea. He is, in legal terms, convicted and awaiting sentencing. The argument that he is not yet convicted rests on a misunderstanding of law. 98.196.234.202 (talk) 17:17, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

You are not here to interpret what the sources say. You're here to repeat what they say. See WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 00:49, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Partner at IBM??

First off PriceWaterhouseCoopers was not taken over by IBM. IBM acquired it's consulting arm. IBM is a publicly traded company that has shareholders not partners. This is so rife errors I don't know where to begin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.224.64.52 (talk • contribs) 02:27, 24 August 2014 (UTC)‎

I'd suggest beginning at the relevant article talk page(s) - neither IBM nor PriceWaterhouseCoopers are 'living persons', and consequently this is out of scope for this noticeboard. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:37, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Bishop Sankey

Bishop Sankey (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I deleted his Early Years section because it was not correct. The information was not correct about his mother, father, etc. His step mother, Heidi Talkington, keeps going into his Early Years section and adding information that is made up and untrue. Please keep his Early Years section deleted. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leftjab1234 (talk • contribs)

I've removed the unnecessary reference to his stepmother, but the rest of the content looks properly sourced and seems accurate. Infact you were the one who significantly expanded the section.  NQ  talk 00:40, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Carl Dix

Carl Dix (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Poorly sourced. Largely relies of primary sources; most of the sources stem from publications from the organization that Dix himself created, which makes most of the content from the article pulled from a self published source.

Clive Martin

Clive Martin (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Source links don't work, no clear the relevance of this biography or accuracy.

 Done fixed dead links, added multiple cites.  NQ  talk 00:11, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

David Oyedepo

David Oyedepo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Can someone here take a look at David Oyedepo? The article has been changed a bit in the latest edit and now has a Controversies section with two items sourced to the Daliy Mail. I'm not just reverting, because some of the removals done with the latest edit might be necessary. -Niceguyedc ^{Go Huskies!} 22:06, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Orlando Anderson

Orlando Anderson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

The recent shooting of Suge Knight brought me to search this suspect in the shooting of Tupac Shakur. I found his page launches into a full discussion of the Shakur murder. I'm wondering if A) that discussion belongs there at all and B) whether it's deletion makes Mr. Anderson even worthy of a Wikipedia page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rippa76 (talk • contribs)

Is there any chance to retrieve the "saved content" when one is editing/creating an article?

When one is writting, what it appears is the symbol of saving...? I had a problem during the creation of an article (José Antonio Najri). ★ Nacho ★ ★ 01:23, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Eddie Boyd III

Does

Between July 2009 and December 2010, Eddie Boyd III was hired as a police officer by the department. Boyd had previously been fired from the [[St. Louis Police Department (Missouri)|Saint Louis Police Department]] after being accused of assaulting two minors, one a 12 year old girl, with his service weapon.<ref>Matt Sledge, "[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/19/ferguson-eddie-boyd_n_5682454.html Ferguson Hired Officer With History Of Allegedly Hitting Children]", ''Huffington Post'', August 19, 2014.</ref> A state commission found Boyd had committed "a criminal act".<ref>http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/19/from-ferguson-cop-embroiled-in-a-brutality-suit-to-city-councilwoman.html</ref><ref>http://www.ibtimes.com/mike-brown-shooting-ferguson-police-department-had-history-misconduct-allegations-1661674</ref>

Comport with WP:BLP in the Ferguson Police Department (Missouri) article?

I fear the HuffPo article is misused as it specifically states about Boyd's 2010 acquittal:

Vindicated by the jury, Boyd succeeded in stopping the state's effort to revoke his license in August 2010. He also sued the St. Louis police for the roughly $65,000 in legal costs he had racked up. The case was settled out of court.

which is somehow not mentioned at all in the edit questioned. And I suggest "assaulting a minor" is a contentious claim of a criminal act, and where no conviction of any sort occurred, that the use is a BLP violation.

thedailybeast article is used for the claim that a "state commission found Boyd had committed a criminal act." Last I checked, acquittal by a jury is a teeny bit more important than a state commission finding not supported by a jury. Saying a living person has committed a "criminal act" when they were acquitted by a jury is a "contentious claim" under WP:BLP

Lastly is the International Business Times: That source is about a 2013 suit unrelated entirely to the claims made. It refers to a 2013 lawsuit where a person alleged four officers used excessive force in stopping his car after a car chase. Unrelated to the claims for which it is wrongly presented as a reference. Collect (talk) 14:36, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

jeremiah birnbaum

Hi, my name is Mya Byrne, formerly the artist known as Jeremiah Birnbaum. Someone has updated my Wikipedia page to reflect my correct name and pronouns (I recently came out as transgender and changed my name), but I'd like it very much if someone could change the actual name of the article to reflect my identity.

Thank you!— Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.38.205.180 (talk • contribs)

Done.--ukexpat (talk) 15:11, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

The sourcing for this move was a WP:SPS(facebook), The (dubiously) reliable sources do not know of the person named "Mya Byrne", Unless sources can be provided, this article should be moved back. CombatWombat42 (talk) 15:22, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Please see MOS:IDENTITY.--ukexpat (talk) 15:34, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Please see WP:V, how do we verify that "207.38.205.180" is "Mya Byrne"? MOS:IDENTITY does not over ride WP:V, as a matter of fact it says: "Disputes over how to refer to a person or group are addressed by policies such as Verifiability, and Neutral point of view (and Article titles where the term appears in the title of an article). " (Emphasis mine). Read your own links. CombatWombat42 (talk) 15:40, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Sources are readily available, such as the radio show found here. --Nat Gertler (talk) 15:58, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi again folks, thank you so much for making this change. I really appreciate it! :) -mya Myabyrne (talk) 21:15, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Geoffrey Giuliano

I am Geoffrey Giul.iano This artical is biased, saying I owe taxes on a home I never owned. Has in correct information on my daughters name, my many movies, books and other life histories. I offered the URLS to confirm EVERYTHING but this was ignored. Here they are again. Pleasev treat my family, myself and my work fairly.

http://www.geoffreygiuliano.net

http://www.iconeditions.net

http://www.iconaudiobooks.com

http://www.giuliano.collection.com

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0321325/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

These are ALL credible sources. I hope we can sort this out. Thank you in advance. Geoffrey Giuliano

Dunno -- but the BLP was a mess. I excised an entire section when it appeared the section expanded on what the source said, and I admit that Hare Krishna sources do not always impress me. Will someone take a cleaver to the verbiage please? The article is far to long and detailed on quite minor "stuff." Collect (talk) 18:22, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

VANDALISM BY DELETING IMDB.COMS FILMS BY GIULIANO

Geoffrey Giuliano is a wekk nown movie actor (SEE: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0321325/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1)

A film he made 5 years ago says "soon to be released". When this is reasonably changed someone puts it back! Also when his current movies are listed from this site they are deleted. This can only be vandalism as this is well sourced and Giuliano has made several films previously unlisted. Attempts to update this long desterted page with the high profile film and literary work of this artist are being deleted out of biase, malice and other unkonwn motives. Even WORKING URLS are being removed. Would someone PLEASE intervene?

Geoffrey Giuliano Well Known Writer and Actor Someone Removing His Books and Films

Some is removing the well known international books and films of this artist when they are sourced properly by imdb.com (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0321325/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1) and the website: http://www.iconeditions.net

This is vandalism. Please intervene.

The books can be mentioned, but they should be in a list form, in a Bibliography section (something like James Thurber#Bibliography). As a clunky paragraph, it just doesn't fit well with the rest of the Literary section. Try doing it that way. Seems more like a style problem than a BLP one. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:39, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

• Please note: These three threads are about the same article - they were created by an IP and a new user. They both claim to be Guiliano. I have moved all three threads together can created sub headers to consolidate the conversation. If anyone feels this is an error and wants to spread them back out that is fine. MarnetteD|Talk 03:44, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Note: IMDB has been deemed not a reliable source at WP:RS/N multiple times now. Collect (talk) 13:12, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Removal of Bibliography and films of Actor Author Geoffrey Giuliano

Some party is removing the literary works and films of this artist. Source for books. The publisher: http://www.iconeditions.net

Sounce for films: INTERNET MOVIE DATA BASE .COM

URL: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0321325/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

PLEASE SOMEONE IN AUTHORITY STOP THIS INTENTIONAL VANDALISM. WE ARE MONITORING THIS PAGE FOR UNFAIR ACTIVITY. SHOPULD NOT A WIKIPEDIA PAGE BE ALLOWED TO BE UPDATED?

Comment I can't speak for everyone else who has reverted your work, but I can at least point out why I reverted it by drawing your attention to your talk page for my reasons.

Please though can I check who you mean by "We"? Is there more than one of you editing on this account? Stephen! ^Coming... 11:55, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Comment It should be noted that from this edit and this earlier edit here that User:The Whole Truth Now is either the author Geoffrey Giuliano, or uses the same computer as him. In either case, we have a clear conflict of interest. I have asked the user to explain his connection with the author on his talk page. Stephen! ^Coming... 16:50, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

2014 Ferguson unrest

2014 Ferguson unrest has a photograph of with a caption of "Ray Albers points with his carbine at protesters." I submit to you that this caption is a BLP violation. We don't have a RS making this claim, and the source of the photo is still from a youtube video, of which NEVER shows the person who is alleged to be Albers pointing a weapon at anyone. Yellow editing at its finest.Two kinds of pork (talk) 19:29, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

A number of good sources are available to verify that claim. Why not use one, instead of posting here? Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:35, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

For the obvious reason is we don't have any verification that the photo is what it claims to be.Two kinds of pork (talk) 19:40, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Except for our eyes, you mean. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 19:45, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

If your eyes see protestors being pointed at, get your eyes checked.Two kinds of pork (talk) 20:02, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Hey, no, I'm good, I've seen the video and read the news stories -- I'm in no doubt about what happened here, and neither should our readers be. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:06, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

“St. Ann Police Lt. Ray Albers raises his rifle at demonstrators on West Florissant Avenue in Ferguson shortly before midnight on Tuesday, Aug. 19, 2014.” Photo by Huy Mach, ****@post-dispatch.com [3] - Are you saying that the journalist that took that photo made this up? - Cwobeel (talk) 20:21, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

No, hes saying the photograph in question did not contain enough information to verify the caption. Which is 100% true. Stop with the snark please. Gaijin42 (talk) 20:55, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

No, that would be OR. Using two seemingly photographs and using the caption of one photograph to describe the other. But then again, you haven't a fucking clue as to what OR is in the first place.Two kinds of pork (talk) 20:59, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

About your you haven't a fucking clue above, please see WP:NPA. Check the sources. Even the police says that he pointed a gun to protesters. Here is the statement: [4], which clearly say "peaceful protestor [sic]" - Cwobeel (talk) 21:05, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Its very simple, so let me splain it to you: You have no idea who is on the receiving end of the barrel. You can speculate, but we don't speculate on, Wikipedia, especially for living subjects. Here's one for you WP:CIR. Two kinds of pork (talk) 21:16, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Nice essay. Just that I don't enjoy engaging with verbally abusive editors. - Cwobeel (talk) 21:22, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

It's verified that he was performing this action [5] and there's very little reason to doubt the validity of the YT video that demonstrates this actual event upclose (and even moreso in a CC manner). I can't see this being a BLP issue since that's exactly the reason he was dismissed as verified by news reports. --MASEM (t) 19:51, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Although it is indeed not absolutely obvious from the photo alone, it is more obvious from the video. It was at least pointed at the photographer in any case. A simple wording change can deal with the issue, it has been written in several RS that he at some point pointed his gun at protesters, and was suspended for it. So saying "Ray Albers, who was suspended for pointing his carbine at protesters" does not have the issues of interpreting the photograph, and readers can make their own mind up of if the photo is an example of that action or not. Gaijin42 (talk) 20:08, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Very constructive and sensible suggestion. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:10, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Sources [6], [7], [8] and many more. Thank god for citizen journalism. - Cwobeel (talk) 20:13, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

The paragraph is in violation of WP:QUOTE What he said is heresay and must be attributed to someone else. Given the inflamatory nature of the supposed statement, it must be fixed. Arzel (talk) 17:14, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Captions are also subject to BLP

Captions should describe the photo, and must conform to all BLP policies in addition to verification. The insistence of adding "peaceful protestors" vs simply "protestors" is not reported by a preponderance of the sources, so,we should defer to NPOV phrasing of the caption.Two kinds of pork (talk) 16:23, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Of course. Just follow the sources. You may have missed it, but the police report (see above) says "peaceful protestor". - Cwobeel (talk) 16:26, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

"peaceful protestor [sic]" [9], Statement from St Ann police. - Cwobeel (talk) 16:28, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Primary source vs secondary sources. Have a care with claims about living people. The power of an image, which stands out in an article, is quite strong. Multiple secondary sources are required.Two kinds of pork (talk) 16:31, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

In the case of a police report saying why they dismissed one of their own from the force is a secondary source on the event. If they said they dismissed him for pointing a gun at a peaceful protester, that's fully in BLP allowance. --MASEM (t) 16:34, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

No, it is not a secondary source. Just as court documents are not permissible for use on Wikipedia as sources, neither are police reports or press releases. We rely on secondary sources to use this sort of primary source.Two kinds of pork (talk) 16:47, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Multiple secondary sources are required? Here you go: “Albers pointed the gun at a peaceful protester after a "verbal exchange," according to St. Louis County Police Officer Brian Schellman” [10], “The officer, who was not identified, has been removed from the field after he pointed his semiautomatic weapon at a peaceful protester, according to Brian Schellman” [11]. - Cwobeel (talk) 16:53, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

So feel free to add that, but it needs to be attributed. However it sure as hell doesn't belong in the caption.Two kinds of pork (talk) 17:50, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you don't think it belongs in the caption. The whole point of the issue and the crux of why he was suspended was the clear misuse of his weapon to threaten unarmed, peaceful protestors - as the police themselves have already admitted. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 18:54, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Kirk Gibson

Kirk Gibson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Notable Achievements lists him as being named National League manager of the year in 2011. Detroit Tigers are in the American League.

According to Major League Baseball Manager of the Year Award, he won it for his work with the Arizona Diamondbacks. His article and the team's back this up. Just a coach for the Tigers, 2003-05. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:46, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

Please ignore my entry- he was NL Manager of the year in 2011 with the Diamondbacks. He last played with the Detroit Tigers (American League)-SORRY...

No problem. I learned something. I'll probably forget it soon, but thanks. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:50, August 26, 2014 (UTC)

FYI again

• This RfC is now closed, but there is still some apparent difficultly in implementing that close (if needed) in this discussion here. Further commentary might be helpful at this time to define a best way forward. Guy1890 (talk) 20:09, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Charles Lavine (politician)

Charles Lavine (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

This article has a lot of problems I'd like to try to fix. There's consistent innuendo, personal attacks, and NPOV material. It doesn't conform to the WIKI:BLP and more generally it has a lot of format problems. It comes across as a rival campaign attacking Lavine, because (for example) it prominently emphasizes three examples of people he defended as a lawyer who are likely to be controversial, and places them at the front of the article, without any explanation of relevance, or context. Other problematic lines:

"In the wake of the Israeli Flotilla incident Lavine sent a letter to U.S. President Barack Obama urging that America's support of Israel should remain resolute; however, during the 2008 presidential election, Lavine participated in "Hugs for Obama" as a key supporter of Obama's "Organizing for America" campaign."

This seems to imply some sort of duplicity, for no reason I can see.

"Not only did he receive praise from local community leaders for his efforts in the assembly but also Lavine for Good Government received a generous campaign contribution. American Traffic Solutions (ATS), the beneficiary of the red-light traffic camera project in Nassau County,[38] donated $1,000 to Lavine's campaign in 2009."

There's no evidence those two things are related, and the references just link to generic campaign filings that don't mention the specific donation.

To disclose any potential bias, I am a resident of Lavine's district and I voted for him.

NYRambler (talk) 22:12, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

@NYRambler: Knock yourself out. Any improvement in a BLP is an improvement to the encyclopedia. §FreeRangeFrog^croak 22:19, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Anjem Choudary

Anjem Choudary (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) The RfC at Talk:Anjem Choudary#RfC: Anjem Choudary and Partying is basically a BLP issue. I'd think that a local decision can't override BLP policy. Dougweller (talk) 08:51, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Zion Lopez

I am reporting this page to the BLP board, as it is a complete fabrication with no valid citations. I have removed it from the List of pro skaters page.--Soulparadox (talk) 09:02, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zion Lopez. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 09:14, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

AfD closed, and article deleted as a blatant hoax.--Mojo Hand (talk) 15:48, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

jeanne tripplehorn

The name above her picture is titled 'Jeanne Nippleporn' Jeanne Tripplehorn — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.149.252.8 (talk) 12:41, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for letting us know.  Fixed by another editor just before you posted here.  NQ  talk 13:20, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Maharaja Agrasen College, Jagadhri

Would uninvolved editors please take a look at the recent history of Maharaja Agrasen College, Jagadhri. The point at issue is that people keep inserting and removing a referenced claim that the current college principal, a Dr P K Bajpai, is facing criminal charges. The most recent insertion to this effect (since removed) reads:

In 2011-12 the management appointed a person named Dr. Pramod Kumar Bajpai (P. K. Bajpai) as Principal. He is implicated in a serious criminal case against women, (REG. CRI. CASE/1300525/2006). in which trial is still under way in Udaipur.

Q.: Does this claim have a legitimate place in the article, or not?: Noyster (talk), 15:34, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Eyes please

Back on August 12th, I reverted Zambelo's edit where he placed several names on this template . I got a notification that he'd reverted me, so I went back to look, he replaced exactly the same names back in, which I reverted as they violated BLP (he's claiming these individuals are opposed to NRM's, but there is no article, nor references to back that up with.) I checked further and see that he's also done this with Free Range Frog as well. Here he reverts Free Range Frog and notes that the individuals are "known" and that they have no articles Here I reverted him and advised him that BLP forbids this kind of thing and here he is reverting again to the same list of names . I've already dropped him a note on his talk page explaining why this cant be done. and he's responded to it, civily. I have the feeling he may wait a while then try to revert again, so I'm requesting extra eyes on this template. Thanks KoshVorlon Angeli i demoni kruzhyli nado mnoj 16:59, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Requesting advice on Will Hayden

Will Hayden (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Up until the last couple days, Will Hayden was solely notable as a cable reality TV personality on one show, Sons of Guns. Today, TMZ ran an article about an arrest (which has since been added to the article, though with slightly better sourcing), which I believe brings this article within the ambit of WP:BLPCRIME. I had redirected it today, and was reverted by the article creator (who left a note on my user talk). I'm reasonably certain that an AfD would have resulted in redirect prior to the arrest, and I don't think the arrest should change that per BLPCRIME. But since I'd rather not edit war over the redirect, and there's every chance I'm wrong, I'd appreciate some outside input from those more familiar with BLP than me. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 17:17, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

WP:BLPCRIME relates to people who have articles written about them specifically because of the crime they are suspected of. In other words, the suspected crime is why they're notable. Will Hayden was notable for being the star of Sons of Guns - a national prime time cable TV show. Him having an article is no different than all the people who were on Jersey Shore, Pawn Stars, American Pickers, etc. who have had articles written about them. They all fit WP:BLP standards. It would have been different if Hayden was just some guy off the street who got arrested, and somebody wrote an article about him - then you'd have a case about non-notability. But Hayden had already been established as a TV personality long before he got arrested, and the article had long been written before news of the arrest came out. Vjmlhds (talk) 17:44, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

If anyone is "reasonably certain that an AfD would have resulted in redirect prior to the arrest," then it could go to AFD, but stars of TV shows have often been found to be notable in AFD, since they often have multiple independent and reliable sources with significant coverage. It is not the general practice at Wikipedia to eliminate an existing article just because the subject is charged with a crime, as might be the practice in the UK under their "sub judice" practice. It would be a good idea to monitor both his article and the show article for vandalism and BLP violations. Both articles could be semi-protected if problems arise. A foreseeable problem is how specifically the alleged 11 year old victim can be identified in either article. Edison (talk) 19:50, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

It's long been my understanding that going to AfD intending for the outcome to be a redirect is considered inappropriate. If that's changed in recent years, I'd be interested to know. But I'll be the first to admit I could be incorrect about this. In the meantime, I think this article needs more eyes: some of the details of the alleged crime as reported by TMZ and the NY Post have been added to the article, including the probable identity of the alleged victim. —/Mendaliv/^2¢/_Δ's/ 22:41, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

List of state and local political scandals in the United States

Does this list comport with WP:BLP noting discussions about the level of sourcing needed for contentious claims. Many of the "scandals" listed represent a single person who is indicted and not convicted, or even where only "allegations" existed without any conviction or indictment at all. Most of the "scandals" represent single individuals, in one case it is a "scandal" that a person denied being at a "gay bar" and another "scandal" was a shoplifting conviction. One "scandal" is about a Twitter post. In short - IMO this is a malorganized affront on the WP:BLP policy, and anything which is not clearly a "scandal" where a reliable source uses that word, should be deled. Other opinions? Collect (talk) 20:52, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Joni Enrst

Joni Ernst (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

A NYT article of today includes this statement "The channel released audio of three other Republicans in tough Senate races — Representatives Tom Cotton of Arkansas and Cory Gardner of Colorado, and Joni Ernst, a state senator in Iowa — all of whom also praised Charles G. and David H. Koch and the millions of dollars they have provided to help Republican candidates." [12].

This comment was the result of tapes that have surfaced in which Ernts said the following in a panel in an American for Prosperity fundraising event  : “I was not known at that time. A little-known state senator from a very rural part of Iowa, known through my National Guard service and some circles in Iowa. But the exposure to this group and to this network and the opportunity to meet so many of you, that really started my trajectory.”

The edit that includes that material and the quote (diff [13]) was deleted on the basis of the edit being a WP:COATRACK.

I would appreciate uninvolved editors to weigh-in on the merits of the removal/inclusion of that material. - Cwobeel (talk) 22:06, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Note: this misstates the discussion at the article talk page, but Cwobeel called me WP:DUCK[14] and has not apologized nor filed the SPI report he should file if he actually believed me to be a sock master. so I decline to respond to his inaccurate statement of the issues involved. Kindly note that either we have a source that Ernst praised AFD, or that she praisedthe Kochs, but the quote given in the NYT shows neither, nor do I think that the quote as given shows much of anything at all. The transcript of the speech has not been given by the editor who wishes to make the claim that she praised AFD and the Kochs at the one speech. Collect (talk) 23:45, 27 August 2014 (UTC)