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Alberto Fujimori in 1991
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August 16

August 16, 2013 (2013-08-16) (Friday)
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  • Australian native and East Central University (Oklahoma) Tigers senior baseball player Christopher Lane, 22, is shot and killed in Ada, Oklahoma, while jogging during a visit to his girlfriend. Two teenagers, James Francis Edwards, Jr., 15, and Chancey Allen Luna, 16, were then arrested and charged with first-degree murder with no bail; Michael Dewayne Jones, 17, was charged with being an accessory to murder after the fact. They stated they did it purely out of boredom. (NBC)

RD: Rosalía Mera

Article: Rosalía Mera (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Bloomberg
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Death of Spain's richest woman, co-founder of the Inditex fashion mega-company. --LukeSurl t c 13:49, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as a notable businessperson not just in Spain, but worldwide(on the Forbes list). 331dot (talk) 14:01, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support when expanded (not just an update but also an expanded lead and bio). Founder of the famous zara chain. I'll work on the article a bit.--Johnsemlak (talk) 14:24, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Being super rich doesn't necessarily qualify as "significant contribution/impact". Article quality is too poor at this time to convince me otherwise. I'll revisit this if Johnsemlak or someone else improves the article. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:07, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose per Muboshgu. As a business person (the deceased, not me!) I'm not sure if she qualifies for RD.--Somchai Sun (talk) 15:12, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support if article is significantly improved. This is a good example of how systematic bias works. Here we have someone that co-founded a company that grosses nearly $20 billion a year and operates over 6000 stores spanning dozens of countries, but who isn't a celebrity and isn't from an English speaking country. Thus the article is not great. However, I would say she certainly very important to her field. (And yes wealth is a strong indicator of importance in the field of business, as that is how success is primary measured.) --ThaddeusB-public (talk) 16:33, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

August 15

August 15, 2013 (2013-08-15) (Thursday)
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Winnemucca Lake petroglyphs

Article: Winnemucca Lake (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Petroglyphs at Winnemucca Lake are dated between 10,500 and 14,800 years ago, making them the oldest petroglyphs ever found in North America. (Post)
News source(s): Nat Geo
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: It is not very often we have a chance to feature a story form archeology or anthropology, but here is an excellent chance. It is not very often a legitimately important "oldest ever" is announced. These carvings date to around the time people are thought to have first migrated to the Americas, potentially increasing their importance. --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:52, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Kaesong Industrial Region

Article: Kaesong Industrial Region (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ North and South Korea agree to reopen the Kaesong Industrial Region which had been shut down since April amidst tensions between the two countries. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: A sure sign that the spring tensions/posturing by North Korea is coming to an end. The two sides did say they wanted to reopen the region a month ago, but there was no actual agreement until today. --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:25, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support-I personally consider a notable-enough news item to be presented on the ticker, but this particular category of nomination does not occur frequently. It is best if we achieve a finite consensus before posting. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 03:03, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose obviously good faith, and better to read about than a bus crash, but too much like a 12-page insert in Scientific American. μηδείς (talk) 03:37, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Significant that they have managed to reach agreement; it certainly seems to indicate a thaw in relations. I also really don't see how this is "like a 12-page insert in Scientific American". I wasn't aware that Scientific American ran 12-page stories on diplomatic developments on the Korean peninsula. Neljack (talk) 04:01, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You put me in the very awkward position of advising you to read the SciAm more often, which is not a place I want to be. μηδείς (talk) 04:19, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I confess it has been a few years since I last read Scientific American. Do they publish this sort of stuff now? Neljack (talk) 04:31, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Kepler demise

Article: Kepler (spacecraft) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Kepler space telescope is declared unfixable by NASA, ending its four-year-long planet-hunting mission. (Post)
News source(s): NYT
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: When Kepler broke back in May, the consensus was to wait to see if it could be fixed. NASA has now declared it can't be fixed, effectively ending its planet hunting days --ThaddeusB (talk) 02:19, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as consensus follow-up. μηδείς (talk) 03:39, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. This is basically a retirement story, isn't it? Formerip (talk) 10:28, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the blurb as currently written as being misleading. Yes they have given up trying to fix the wheels, and yes that means the current mission needs to be modified, but it does not necessarily mean the end of planet-hunting because they have asked the community to propose alternative mission plans "potentially including an exoplanet search, using the remaining two good reaction wheels and thrusters" as mentioned in the NASA press release. One of the proposals that has come back is to modify the software on Kepler to compensate. Instead of the stars being fixed and stable in Kepler's field of view, they will drift. However software could track this drift and more or less completely recover the mission goals despite being unable to hold the stars in a fixed view. For details of this proposal see KeSeF - Kepler Self Follow-up Mission. Astredita (talk) 10:38, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The final paragraph of the lead states there are options open and that Kepler is not a dead-loss. What has really happened isn't important news. --Somchai Sun (talk) 11:48, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Astredita. 331dot (talk) 12:04, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I think everyone is missing the point. Yes, Kepler may still be used to do some scientific research in the future, but this is the official end of its primary mission. When the wheel failure was previously nominated, this is precisely the point that people said we should wait for. Arguably, the first announcement was the more important news, but ITN likes to wait until things are official. Well, they are official now. To say "What has really happened isn't important news" is flat out wrong. There is a huge difference between hunting for exoplanets and tracking comets within our solar system (one of the proposed future uses), for example. --ThaddeusB-public (talk) 16:23, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Beirut bombing

Article: 15 August 2013 Beirut bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Twenty people are killed when a car bomb explodes in Beirut, Lebanon. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters Al Jazeera
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Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: A car bomb exploded in Beirut, Lebanon killing twenty people. This event has been covered by many news sources. It appears to be a pretty significant event in Beirut. Andise1 (talk) 22:48, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not seeing how that link is relevant here. 331dot (talk) 03:00, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I must ask, which user do you consider a noted vandal? QatarStarsLeague (talk) 03:01, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The bombers are the vandals and the decision to post needs to take into consideration whether this merits encyclopedic treatment. I think a policy of WP:DENY fits perfectly here. μηδείς (talk) 03:42, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I really don't think potential terrorists are going to decide it isn't worth it because we deny them coverage here. Heaps of media sources that are a lot more prominent than our little section of WP have already covered it. In any case, I don't think it is our role to censor what we post based on whether it is desirable to deny recognition to terrorists. That is a political judgment that would be inappropriate for us to make. Neljack (talk) 03:52, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
WP:DENY applies to malicious on-wiki editing and regards non-mainspace Wikipedia content. Cataloguing the horrors of the world is part of the encyclopaedic remit. --LukeSurl t c 12:08, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now - article needs to be adequately updated. Blurb needs fixing. Just because it's a criminal act doesn't mean it doesn't go on ITN – DENY is a poor argument; if it was a good one, no terrorist act would ever be posted. – Shudde talk 09:29, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] New mammal carnivore discovered

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Article: Olinguito (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Scientists announce the discovery of the olinguito, the first new carnivorous mammal found in the Western Hemisphere in 35 years. (Post)
News source(s): BBC Washington Post NBC News
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: First carnivorous mammal to be discovered in Western Hemisphere in 35 years, according to article. Starting to get major traction in media. Tombo7791 (talk) 15:33, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What was the last mammal that was posted? As the nomination said, this is the first new one found in the Western Hemisphere in the last 35 years. New insects, I agree, are not once-in-a-lifetime, but this comes pretty close. 331dot (talk) 18:16, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Don't feed it. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:17, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The last one was the lavasoa dwarf lemur. Twelve days ago. Formerip (talk) 18:24, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Madagascar is not in the Western Hemisphere. 331dot (talk) 19:09, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Why are you telling me this? You asked a question, I answered it. Formerip (talk) 19:16, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Your initial comment made it sound like this sort of thing happens every day; I was merely saying that it does not, and that the most recent posting that you brought up was not from the Western Hemisphere so that's a different situation. That's all. 331dot (talk) 19:31, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it happens literally every day, but you can make anything sound a lot rarer than it really is by sticking a few qualifiers on. Marion Bartoli is the first female winner of Wimbledon born in the Eastern hemisphere to retire while wearing a hat, but no-one seems to have taken account of those factors. Formerip (talk) 19:45, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
We live in a world of qualifiers and technicalities, but the question here is whether or not it is notable. If it was headline news that Bartoli was the first female winner of Wimbledon born in the Eastern Hemisphere to retire while wearing a hat, then it might be notable. In this situation, we are talking about the discovery of a new mammal in the Western Hemisphere (half the world geographically) and how that is a rare event; we aren't talking about one country or even one city. 331dot (talk) 19:49, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
So, the reason for not posting Bartoli is that the media thought it was important enough to run without qualifiers? Formerip (talk) 20:26, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
People retiring with hats is not a notable category, and neither is one-time Wimbledon winners. I've made my point above, and I won't further stray from the topic on this page. 331dot (talk) 20:29, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Marion Bartoli retires

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Article: Marion Bartoli (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Reigning women's Wimbledon singles champion Marion Bartoli retires from professional tennis (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Current Wimbledon champion, unexpected retirement age 28 which is young for tennis players --Thryduulf (talk) 08:42, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
oppose she has not lasting legacy in tennis. Looks like she trying to go on a high knowing it was a fluke. This would set precedence for a whole bunch of mid-ranked retirees in other sports too.Lihaas (talk) 09:33, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
7th in the world is not "mid ranked" and the retirement is due to injury, if she wanted to go out on a high she'd have retired straight after Wimbledon not after losing in the second round of a minor tournament a month and a half later. If this sets a precedent for covering other sports professionals who make international news for unexpectedly retiring young while ranked in the top 10 and being the reigning champion of one of their sport's major tournaments, then I'd say that's a good precedent to have. Thryduulf (talk) 09:46, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If we'd posted Ferguson every time he said he was going to retire it could have become embarrassing. HiLo48 (talk) 22:02, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • For me, the minimum bar for posting sporting retirements is not being a great. It is not even being exceptional. It is being peerless in your field for the vast majority of your career. —WFC— FL wishlist 23:21, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bahrain Tamarod protests

Article: Bahrain Tamarod (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Bahrain security forces crackdown on Tamarod protests (Post)
News source(s): AFP, Associated Press, Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: The protests were highly anticipated since early July and the government severe reaction only added more anticipation (and media coverage). While protesters failed yesterday to form large gatherings (mainly due to the heavy deployment of security forces and overuse of barbed wire), the protests proved to be "an upsurge of a two-and-a-half-year-old campaign"[1]. Mohamed CJ (talk) 01:33, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

August 14

August 14, 2013 (2013-08-14) (Wednesday)
Armed conflicts and attacks

Business and economy

Disasters and accidents
  • The Indian submarine INS Sindhurakshak (S63) sinks in Mumbai following a pair of onboard explosions killing 18 Indian Navy sailors. (Washington Post)

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Health
  • A group of researchers led by a team at the University of Milan unveils a device which uses a magnetic pulse to stimulate the brain and measure the resulting electrical waves in order to more accurately assess the remaining level of brain function and consciousness in brain-damaged individuals. (NBC) (Bloomberg)

Science and technology

[Posted] Egypt declares national emergency

Articles: Aftermath_of_the_2013_Egyptian_coup_d'état#14 August (talk · history · tag) and Political violence in Egypt (2013) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Egypt declares a state of emergency as security forces kill scores of pro-Morsi protesters. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Egypt declares a state of emergency as security forces kill hundreds of pro-Morsi protesters.
Credits:
Nominator's comments: I am not sure of the article or update yet but im assuming this will make it to main page as possibly 100+ people have been killed and state of emergency declared in egypt. Change the blurb and article as needed ---- Ashish-g55 14:02, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have nominated that for deletion. At best it should be a redirect. Imagine someone looking at wikipedia a year from now and finding that August 14th has its own lone article. This is not the news, and we do not need to be creating articles for the sole purpose of supporting nominations. μηδείς (talk) 01:16, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure I understand your point, but if it is about the redundant "pro" in "pro-Morsi supporters" the blurb actually uses the word "protesters". Formerip (talk) 01:03, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
We should not be identifying the dead as pro- or anti- anything. We haven't done it before when the protestors were against Morsi and we shouldn't be doing it now. Just scores of protestors killed is fine. μηδείς (talk) 01:16, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What event are you referring to? -- tariqabjotu 01:42, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Given you know it is malformed you could fix it. Even better, remove "supporting former president Mohamed Morsi" from the blurb as an odd time to forget neutrality here. μηδείς (talk) 01:23, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Or you could read the instructions on how to nominate an article for AfD. It is not something I do often so I'd have to read them myself to fix it... A have no idea why describing the protestors as supporters of Morsi (when that is the way every source describes them) is supposedly non-neutral. Unnecessary, perhaps, but POV I think not. --ThaddeusB (talk) 01:33, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) What's POV about "supporting former president Mohamed Morsi"? -- tariqabjotu 01:36, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There is no POV when the protesters were in FACT supporting Morsi. Both camps were entirely there to support him. Thats the reason this whole thing went down... -- Ashish-g55 04:27, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
comment please move the bold link to the article that now exists August 2013 Egyptian clashesLihaas (talk) 07:10, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Change Blurb: The blurb is biased saying that security forces moved in to kill 100s of demonstrators is clearly not what happened. The main news event is that the security forces cracked down on the 6 week long sit in by the brotherhood. The sit in included many firearms, molotov cocktails and many videos and pictures show that these "protesters" fired at the security forces with klashinkovs and other weapons. The word used by most media is a crackdown not the killing of demonstrators. You can clearly see that here for example. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Diaa abdelmoneim (talk • contribs)
That's a POV issue; you see it that way, the other side sees it differently. What is factual is that people were killed by security forces. 331dot (talk) 09:57, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You should also know better than citing ayoutube video as encyclopaedic fact here.Lihaas (talk) 12:47, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed.Lihaas (talk) 12:47, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Huh? The blurb has said "hundreds" almost since it was posted to ITN. The blurb here is not the blurb on the Main Page. -- tariqabjotu 13:59, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, guess I looked at this posting more than the main page. 331dot (talk) 14:33, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] INS Sindhurakshak (S63)

Article: INS Sindhurakshak (S63) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An explosion sinks Indian submarine INS Sindhurakshak (Post)
News source(s): BBC [3]
Credits:

Article updated
 EugεnS¡m¡on(14) ® 10:24, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The article mentions that 18 sailors are trapped inside. Why do we need "casualty total" to display the article at WP:ITN? --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 14:12, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Many sources seem unsure if they are trapped or dead... its too breaking right now. -- Ashish-g55 14:34, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
OK, but it's for sure that INS Sindhurakshak sank, which is what the blurb says. The rest is explained in the article, with a possibility to update/improve it. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 14:39, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not sure whether to support or oppose this, since we already have one story about the Indian Navy in the box, and this doesn't seem to be getting really major coverage. The article seems to be updated, though. Formerip (talk) 16:04, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
IMO, this is clearly more important news compared to Vikrant.. ƬheStrikeΣagle sorties 16:08, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe. I'm not sure. But it wasn't really my point. Formerip (talk) 16:10, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
well indian navy managed to produce two news events in a week. its a rare case and doubt we'll be seeing two items from them anytime soon if ever -- Ashish-g55 16:59, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question: why "a pair of explosions"? All sources I've read only mention one explosion. There was a more minor explosion in 2010, but there's no indication it is related to the recent explosion and sinking of the vessel. -Zanhe (talk) 00:39, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support. Tragic accident, and subs sinking is a rare event. 331dot (talk) 23:17, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Request. Please resist the temptation to add casualty figures when known. This incident is so obviously serious and unusual that its Main Page worthiness is independent from the statistics – I think keeping the blurb short and sharp makes it all the more poignant. —WFC— FL wishlist 00:18, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. Our blurbs are not there to be poignant. They are there to provide information to our readers, who are likely to want to know whether people have been killed and, if so, how many. Neljack (talk) 02:55, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The question for me is whether the death toll will make the reader more or less likely to go to the article and learn more about the event. In the case of a school shooting or mid-sized earthquake, the toll is very important – events of that nature happen multiple times per year, and the toll helps to emphasize that the impact of that particular event is exceptional. An explosion on a submarine achieves that on its own; adding the toll would in my opinion make the reader less likely to go through to the article. —WFC— FL wishlist 23:06, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Saw the huge ball at midnight with orange flams. And I was not even near it. It was massive. Forget to get a pic for WP though ;(Lihaas (talk) 06:34, 15 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

August 13

August 13, 2013 (2013-08-13) (Tuesday)
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Attacks and conflicts

Law and crime
  • American politician and former House Representative Jesse Jackson Jr. is sentenced to 30 months in prison for spending $750,000 in campaign funds on personal items, and will serve his sentence first before his wife, former Chicago alderman Sandi Jackson, who was given a one year term for tax fraud. (NBC)

Business and finance

International relations

August 12

August 12, 2013 (2013-08-12) (Monday)
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Arts and culture

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and Crime
  • American mob boss Whitey Bulger is convicted of racketeering. (Boston.com)
  • U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, in a major policy shift in the War on Drugs, announces that the federal government, following some states' stances, will direct its prosecutors to no longer insist on automatic mandatory minimum prison sentences for non-violent, low-level, non-repeat offender drug offenses where the defendant is not involved with gangs and/or cartels. (MSN)

Politics and elections

Sports

Mali election

Articles: Malian presidential election, 2013 (talk · history · tag) and Ibrahim Boubacar Keita (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Ibrahim Boubacar Keita is elected President of Mali. (Post)
News source(s): [4]
Credits:

Both articles need updating
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Updaters apply here. Formerip (talk) 22:46, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

[Closed] NYC stop-and-frisk

No consensus to post. SpencerT♦C 01:22, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: New York City stop-and-frisk program (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A judge rules that New York City's stop-and-frisk program is unconstitutional. (Post)
News source(s): WSJ
Credits:
Nominator's comments: "Stop and frisk" is controversial, as police officers are far more likely to stop and frisk individuals of color --– Muboshgu (talk) 20:18, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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[Posted] Whitey Bulger conviction

Article: Whitey Bulger (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Whitey Bulger is convicted of 11 murders and racketeering charges. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Mob boss Whitey Bulger is convicted of murder and racketeering after sixteen years on the run.
News source(s): LA Times, CBS
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: Major mafia figure with a highly publicized trial --– Muboshgu (talk) 20:12, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
strong ioppose not in the news outside 1 country and intensly local issue.Lihaas (talk) 02:25, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Wow. Lihass I respect your aim to maintain a cosmopolitan outlook at ITN but this is a classic example of why our guidelines prohibit an oppose based on that reasoning. Leaving aside that your !vote violates the rules at the top of the page, this is only a local issue on the surface. First off, this was previously the TOP headline at the BBC. But looking at the substance, yes, Whitey Bulger is a Boston based mobster, just as Manchester United are a Manchester based football team. But Bulger had influence and effects well beyond Boston (and certainly commanded interest). He was convicted on federal charges, and was an FBI informant. One of his alleged murders took place in Oklahoma. He supported the IRA. He spent over a decade on the FBI's most wanted list and the reward for information from the FBI was the second largest ever (the first being Osama bin laden). He and his gang have been the subject of numerous bestselling books (certainly read outside Boston). He inspired a character in an Best Picture winning movie played by Jack Nicholson. There are upcoming big budget movies based on him. To describe this as a little parochial matter of interest to a small portion of the Northeast of the US is to look at the mere surface of this story.--Johnsemlak (talk) 02:43, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've updated the article with info on the trial, which is now at the racketeering trial and conviction subsection. I would be hesitant to say he was convicted of murder, however, since he was in fact charged with racketeering. Hot Stop talk-contribs 04:13, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted w/o mentioning the murders since he was not charged with murder. --ThaddeusB (talk) 05:21, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Prince Friso of Orange-Nassau

Article: Prince Friso of Orange-Nassau (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Younger brother of King Willem-Alexander dies after over a year in coma. --LukeSurl t c 09:22, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • A senior member of a major royal house may fit under #1 or perhaps #3. Regardless, we don't need to follow the rules without question if there's a good case for improving the encyclopedia by ignoring them. --LukeSurl t c 16:40, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support. Because I like his name. It sounds fictional. And because we have an imbalance of US:non-US stories at the moment. Formerip (talk) 17:33, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for RD, also worthy of posting on ITN. Death of a member of a Royal Family is newsworthy. Mjroots (talk) 18:22, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose. From reading the article it seems that though he lost his membership in the Royal House he did not lose his titles; he simply was no longer in the line of succession. That said, however, that does mean he is not "in a high-ranking office of power at the time of death", failing #1. I would think it would also mean he was not important in his field if he could not succeed to the throne (the Royal Family, if you call that a field), failing #2. I also don't see a wide international impact here, failing #3. I also think even if we removed the criteria as proposed that he still might not qualify. 331dot (talk) 20:38, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I don't think we should post the deaths of members of royal families just because they are royal. There are lots of royal families out there and many of them have lots of members. There is no indication that Prince Friso has a significant impact on the Netherlands, and - as has been noted - he renounced his rights to the succession. Neljack (talk) 00:36, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Indian aircraft carrier

Article: INS Vikrant (Vikrant class) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ INS Vikrant, the first aircraft carrier to be built in India, is launched at Cochin Port. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ India launches a Vikrant-class aircraft carrier, the first aircraft carrier to be built in the country.
News source(s): [7]
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: The fifth country in the world to build an aircraft carrier. Formerip (talk) 11:23, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
it is NOT india's first aircraft carrier. and the page is not updated as the lead says it will be launched in 2018 (unless you mean the table with 3 words for the date, if so that's an insufficient update). See List of aircraft carriers in serviceLihaas (talk) 12:23, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Do you see the box above where it says "article needs updating"? 2018 is the date the ship will enter service, though, not a prospective launch date, as the article makes clear. Formerip (talk) 12:31, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ideally we would want an article on the INS Vikrant itself (INS Vikrant currently redirects to an article for a decommissioned ship). To clarify Lihaas' first point, INS Vikramaditya (a purchase rather than a new build) is currently undergoing sea trials, so we have to avoid the words "India's first aircraft carrier" without qualification. --LukeSurl t c 13:10, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've nominated this as an industrial achievement, rather than a military achievement, hence the launch is the key event. Plus it's the bit that is traditionally seen as the "birth" of a ship, with the whole dignitary's-wife-wastes-good-champagne hoopla (assuming they do it that way in India). Formerip (talk) 13:32, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
OK. Sounds reasonable. --LukeSurl t c 13:45, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Altblurb suggested which points more to an industrial rather than military angle. Support as per FormerIP, though I would still like an INS Vikrant article. --LukeSurl t c 15:36, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It may depend on perspective but, like I said above, I see this as being about industry and economic development rather than in military terms. Today India formally marked a change from being a country that had never built an aircraft carrier to being one that had. When it subsequently sticks a radar antenna on top, installs the captain's jukebox and sticks the thing in its navy, I think that will be less significant. Formerip (talk) 21:08, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate your views, but I don't see it in military terms so much as usability- anything can happen between now and the expected commissioning date to prevent its commissioning and use- in which case this landmark in industry means nothing. What you said, however, is why I didn't suggest pulling it. 331dot (talk) 21:30, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] Darfur clashes

Article: War in Darfur (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Over a hundred people are killed as tribal fighting breaks out in Darfur. (Post)
News source(s): The News Daily Nation
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: Fighting has broken out between tribes in Darfur resulting in many deaths. Andise1 (talk) 05:50, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
With 2 supports? Theres plenty of other nom's with more consensus that don't get posted.Lihaas (talk) 11:35, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Two supports and no objections. I can add that I support this as well. – Muboshgu (talk) 12:12, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, consensus is not determined by vote counting. Second the vote was 3-0 (nominator counts) at the time (after 24+ hours), now 4-0, which is consensus to post by any reasonable definition. --ThaddeusB-public (talk) 15:53, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

László Csizsik-Csatáry

Article: László Csizsik-Csatáry (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Nazi war-crime suspect László Csizsik-Csatáry dies. (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
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Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Death of an alleged Nazi war criminal for the RD ticker. Article is in pretty good shape too. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 08:20, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that is quite enough, there was after all quite lot of nazi war criminals. How was he a special case amongst them beyond living longer. Therefore I Oppose SeraV (talk) 16:42, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, he might be at the top of the field of Nazi war criminals, although it is not at all clear. Formerip (talk) 16:58, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
More like at the bottom. Abductive (reasoning) 18:45, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
A quote from the article: "Csatáry was a small fish. I could name 2,000 people responsible for worse crimes than he was." μηδείς (talk) 17:45, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If that's the case, how can we be sure he didn't? Formerip (talk) 00:14, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The reference to him being "a small fish" seems accurate. He can thus hardly be regarded as a very important figure in the field of war crimes. I also note that, while the blurb refers to him as a "suspected war criminal" (I would have thought that just being a suspect would make the notability case even weaker), the article refers to him as a "war criminal" on the basis of his 1948 conviction in absentia in Czechoslovakia. I am concerned that there is a NPOV issue with that (others have raised the issue before on the talk page without agreement being reached). Neljack (talk) 00:31, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The International 2013

Articles: The International (video gaming) (talk · history · tag) and Dota 2 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Swedish esports team "Alliance" wins 1.43 million USD for winning The International 2013, an annual Dota 2 championship. (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Biggest single-event prize awarded for an esport event hosted by a well known company, in a rapidly growing esport, which itself, is a rapidly growing area. --49.187.58.5 (talk) 16:12, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Would need an article on the specific 2013 event, rather than just the over-arching The International (video gaming) article. --LukeSurl t c 16:25, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral The biggest Electronic sports ("esports") prize ever awarded, which should probably be mentioned in the blurb if this is posted. However, the Electronic sports article needs attention. --hydrox (talk) 17:58, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose Maybe significant itself but how does this compare itself to MLG (the only esport event I ever heard of) other than prize money. Also I cannot see what is significant to this so called "sport" that struggles to get itself nominated, for example the two IPC athletics and swimming, and even if I would support the two, there are plenty of people who will press for an oppose. Even the nomination for the FIFA Club World Cup final was opposed last December and that is supposed to be the most significant event for any football clubs. Donnie Park (talk) 00:49, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for 2 reasons: the prize is shockingly large (unless the largest is not mot larger, I don't care too much if it is not the largest-since $1.4M seems much above the top prizes offered in most olympic sports for example); and esports are shockingly under-represented throughout the wiki AND on ITN. Nergaal (talk) 15:45, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Currently we do not have an article update which would be considered sufficient for a more 'traditional' sporting events. The article offers no information on the actual games that occurred in the tournament (not even scorecards), and nothing about the competing teams apart from the teamnames exists on the wiki. The lack of this information is indicative of the fact that eSports aren't quite at this level of notabilty (yet). --LukeSurl t c 15:57, 13 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

August 11

August 11, 2013 (2013-08-11) (Sunday)
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Argentine mid-term elections, first round

Article: Argentine legislative election, 2013 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Argentina held the first round of legislative elections to renew half the Chamber of Deputies and one third of the Senate. The final round will be held October 27. (Post)
News source(s): [8][9]
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  • Nominated by 98.166.186.191 (talk · give credit)
  • Updated by [[User:98.166.186.191 (talk) 17:27, 12 August 2013 (UTC)|98.166.186.191 (talk) 17:27, 12 August 2013 (UTC)]] ([[User talk:98.166.186.191 (talk) 17:27, 12 August 2013 (UTC)|talk]] · [{{fullurl:User talk:98.166.186.191 (talk) 17:27, 12 August 2013 (UTC)|action=edit&preload=Template:ITN_candidate/preload_credit&preloadtitle=ITN+recognition+for+%5B%5BArgentine+legislative+election%2C+2013%5D%5D&section=new&preloadparams%5b%5d=Argentine+legislative+election%2C+2013&preloadparams%5b%5d=updated}} give credit]) and [[User:[10]|[11]]] ([[User talk:[12]|talk]] · [{{fullurl:User talk:[13]|action=edit&preload=Template:ITN_candidate/preload_credit&preloadtitle=ITN+recognition+for+%5B%5BArgentine+legislative+election%2C+2013%5D%5D&section=new&preloadparams%5b%5d=Argentine+legislative+election%2C+2013&preloadparams%5b%5d=updated}} give credit])[reply]

Article updated
Nominator's comments: A significant event in electoral politics; over 30 million voters are registered in Argentina, and turnout for this frst round was over 70%. --98.166.186.191 (talk) 17:27, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question. Would this be ITNR, or just the final round? I think in elections with runoffs we only post the final election. 331dot (talk) 20:43, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • This was the first of two rounds, designed to keep very minor parties and ad hoc splinter groups - which in the past were often created solely to wedge the vote for larger parties - from influencing the final results (GOP efforts to draft Green Party candidates - sometimes even the homeless - in past House races is the closest U.S. analogy I can think of). This may not qualify for inclusion in the headline 'In the News' ticker, but I thought you might like to mention it in the 'Politics and Elections' section of the Current Events portal. 98.166.186.191 (talk) 21:27, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I believe you can add it to the portal yourself without needing permission. Formerip (talk) 21:29, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Much obliged. 98.166.186.191 (talk) 23:26, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose First-round elections are very rarely put up on ITN unless there's something extremely special about it, and I see nothing particularly special here. Best to try again when the second round happens. Redverton (talk) 00:05, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Please refer to my comment above where I mention that This may not qualify for inclusion in the headline 'In the News' ticker, but I thought you might like to mention it in the 'Politics and Elections' section of the Current Events portal. As it happens, these news have been in the Current Events Portal for a while now as suggested - so I think it's all been said already. Thanks. 98.166.186.191 (talk) 16:03, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

[Posted] PGA Championship

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Articles: Jason Dufner (talk · history · tag) and 2013 PGA Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In golf, American Jason Dufner (pictured) wins the PGA Championship. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ American golfer Jason Dufner (pictured) wins the PGA Championship.
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

Both articles updated
One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: This is an ITNR item that should be posted. --HotHat (talk) 23:51, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Rremove nationalisty, we don't post that for other such events like Tennis/Lihaas (talk) 04:09, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Done. SpencerT♦C 04:13, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This is not true. We often post nationality, especially as it's more natural to say "American golfer Jason Dufner wins..." than to say "In golf, Jason Dufner wins..." -- tariqabjotu 04:52, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

New shark species

Article: Carolina hammerhead (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A new species of shark, the Carolina hammerhead, is discovered in South Carolina. (Post)
News source(s): Miami Herald
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: A new species of a Shark has been found in South Carolina. Andise1 (talk) 15:19, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

August 10

August 10, 2013 (2013-08-10) (Saturday)
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Recent Deaths: Eydie Gorme

Article: Eydie Gorme (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox News Washington Post People CBS News
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: She was a notable singer who won both a Grammy award and an Emmy award. Andise1 (talk) 00:54, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I would really find an essay "My Standards" by HiLo quite. μηδείς (talk) 02:00, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing formal has changed since the posting of that recent, one-show-wonder from Glee. I will keep highlighting it's stupidity until something happens to prevent such postings in future. HiLo48 (talk) 02:49, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That is unbelievably unhelpful. What exactly do you want - a rule that says "thou shall not post Glee actors?" or perhaps we should add "Don't post anything HiLo disagrees with or else be prepared to be reminded of it forever" to the rules? There is a time to express your disagreement with a post, and there is a time to drop the stick and move on. The latter is here. --ThaddeusB (talk) 03:52, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
While it's not an official policy, precedent obviously plays a part in what we post here. Until that Glee precedent is publicly ruled incorrect, and policies put in place to stop such errors ever being made again, it exists as a precedent, so of course we should post Eydie Gorme. Those saying to forget obviously want it to be forgotten, but haven't done anything to fix the problem. I have more principles. I'm not that kind of person. I have more principles. HiLo48 (talk) 04:01, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Even if it was a precedent, which it is not, part of the reason it was posted was the unexpected nature of the death leading to widespread coverage. That obviously isn't the case here. Again, what policy "put in place to stop such errors" do you want exactly? Maybe you should propose something in an appropriate venue (such as talk page) if you feel so strongly about it instead of repeatedly bringing it up in other nominations. --ThaddeusB (talk) 04:30, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Referring to Cory Monteith as a "dead non-entity" and a "one-show-wonder" is crass and rude. Yes, the man died of a drug overdose, but that doesn't mean he should be denigrated. God forbid one of his family members stumbles upon this page. 204.111.20.10 (talk) 04:58, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If you don't like the truthful negatives, did you argue against the absolute nonsense positives written about him after his death. That thread was sickening in its dishonesty. And the death got posted. I believe in telling the truth. We could do with a lot more of that on Wikipedia. HiLo48 (talk) 06:10, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There is a difference between 'telling the truth' and 'being needlessly crass'; you are doing the latter. One can tell the truth without doing that(which was really my main point) There is also a difference between truth and opinion; you are also giving the latter there. I'm not saying "forget" about it, I'm saying bring it up, if you must, in a manner with basic human decency and respect. You don't need to beat the dead horse to do so. 331dot (talk) 09:17, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I would also think that threatening to bring it up in perpetuity is essentially a WP:POINT issue. 331dot (talk) 09:24, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
User:331dot, it's only WP:POINT if brought up *after* reform (or when reform is expressly ruled out). Because of the precedent created by the Glee nomination, reform to RD is clearly a long way off. doktorb wordsdeeds 09:28, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I respectfully disagree; the first example listed on WP:POINT is somewhat close to what is going on here. (swap out a few words) A threat to bring up something in perpetuity until one gets their way, especially in a crass manner, is nothing but disruptive. 331dot (talk) 09:40, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Allowing crap items to be posted, and refusing to do anything about it in perpetuity, is disruptive AND destructive. Oh, and we have no policies demanding something YOU define as basic human decency and respect. Showing false respect is, in fact, quite disrespectful. HiLo48 (talk) 21:32, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Repeatedly whining about a past nomination in other nominations is not "doing something". We, in fact, have a discussion on the talk page about the Death criteria and neither you nor Doktorbuk nor The Rambling Man have contributed, opting instead to bring up "that Glee guy" here [again] as if he has anything to do with this nomination. -- tariqabjotu 21:42, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Saw that discussion. It's pointless. Wrong proposal. HiLo48 (talk) 21:54, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Then start the "correct" proposal. As Tariq said, complaining endlessly is not "doing something" and is borderline being purposely disruptive. --ThaddeusB (talk) 04:51, 12 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What you call a "crap item" is called a worthy ITN item by others, per consensus. We actually do have a policy about basic decency and respect. Are you the sole arbiter of what is "pointless" on Wikipedia or not? You can either call it pointless and refuse to participate, or you can participate and work to get your point across. 331dot (talk) 21:56, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That's quite a brief two word appraisal of the entire career of Eydie Gorme.Martinevans123 (talk) 22:02, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose And I use the "Glee Precedent" as created by User:Tariqabjotu as my basis for wanting reform of RD and admin powers, too. doktorb wordsdeeds 09:26, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As implied by Thaddeus, something is only a precedent if we allow it to be; content here is posted by consensus. 331dot (talk) 09:40, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support A notable award-winning popular singer. Difficult when one half of a well-know duo dies (Steve Lawrence still alive, of course). Personally I'd have supported purely on the basis of Goffin and King's 1963 "I Want to Stay Here" (and that only reached number 28!) Martinevans123 (talk) 11:51, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Collapsing side discussion. SpencerT♦C 20:57, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Support Duh! --85.210.101.50 (talk) 16:10, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Intentionally being obnoxious; see contributions. -- tariqabjotu 17:35, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I thought "Duh", "Meh" and "Who" were quite reasonable reasons actually, if a little on the brief side. I see that you actually oppose. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:02, 11 August 2013 (UTC) [reply]
@Martinevans123: What? Was any part of that comment meant to be serious? -- tariqabjotu 18:18, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Only the bits between "I" and "oppose". Martinevans123 (talk) 18:20, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ok... but I haven't opposed this nomination. -- tariqabjotu 18:25, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, no you haven't. You just appear to have. Now's your chance! But why do you think those one word reasons are "obnoxious"? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:35, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
He was clearly just mocking the ITN/C instructions that say Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are usually not helpful. He even made sure to edit in the exclamation point. -- tariqabjotu 18:54, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Probably not a coincidence, then. How ironic. And I always thought those were some of the most sincere reasons. Of course, they may still be useful...but apparently not when all used in rapid succession. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:05, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

10 August 2013 Baghdad bombings

Article: 10 August 2013 Baghdad bombings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Over 60 people are killed in a series of bombings and shootings in Iraq (Post)
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Is anybody going to create this article?
  • This isn't the forum to request the creation of an article; I further suspect that the event would probably get added to an article about the ongoing conflict there. Given the ongoing status of the conflict and bombings there, I suspect this would not win consensus to get posted, as it is (unfortunately) not an unusual occurrence in Iraq. 331dot (talk) 00:18, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Indonesia Paluweh volcano eruption

Article: Paluweh (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least six people are killed in Indonesia after Paluweh erupts. (Post)
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:

Article needs updating
 EugεnS¡m¡on(14) ® 16:55, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I don't see this as important enough for us to cover. The volcano has been erupting continuously for over a year; this was a spasm that happened to find a few people in the wrong place at the wrong time. Looie496 (talk) 19:03, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Searching Google News I haven't been able to find anyone else killed globally by pyroclastic flows in the last decade. The prior reported eruptions of this volcano this decade have just been spewed ash, not pyroclastic flows. μηδείς (talk) 21:46, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. That is the reason I said "I haven't been able to find" instead of there weren't. μηδείς (talk) 00:04, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I used the date range function. Are you implying even then it is not a complete record? μηδείς (talk) 02:56, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • The date range function will not pick up sites which have gone dead, naturally. I remember reading that most pages go offline within a year. My experience with Google's cache is that it goes down within a month. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:59, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note:This news can be see in Ini Nama Korban Tewas Letusan Gunung Rokatenda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hanamanteo (talk • contribs) 08:03, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Being from the nation where this news is occurring is not a reason to post this story to ITN, nor is "I like it". 331dot (talk) 09:21, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Really does, but I comefrom Indonesia...--Hanamanteo (talk) 14:12, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to see this posted, updating the article with info from the eruption will help a lot. μηδείς (talk) 17:48, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Marginal support How common is the eruption of this volcano? I can see the death count being an issue (if you know what I mean) but it's a rare enough event to be notable. doktorb wordsdeeds 09:30, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Number of deaths is somewhat marginable, volcano has been erupting for the past several months according to the article. Certainly nowhere near the scale of the Merapi eruptions (which did make ITN). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:15, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Meh. --85.210.101.50 (talk) 16:09, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Intentionally being obnoxious; see contributions. -- tariqabjotu 17:34, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose With only few deaths and 3000 evacuated (which really isn't that much), I don't see this as being that significant. Article quality is also rather poor. SeraV (talk) 20:49, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

August 9

August 9, 2013 (2013-08-09) (Friday)
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Boni Yayi dismisses entire cabinet

Article: Boni Yayi (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Boni Yayi, president of Benin, fires his whole cabinet. (Post)
News source(s): Bloomberg APF
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Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: This appears to be a notable and rare event. A president does not fire his whole cabinet that often. Andise1 (talk) 23:39, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I would think its notable, btu per precedence it was not approved for South SUdan (and that was more notable as a first) so opposeLihaas (talk) 13:05, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rafael Quintero released from prison

Articles: Rafael Caro Quintero (talk · history · tag) and Enrique Camarena (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former Mexican druglord Rafael Caro Quintero is released from prison after his conviction for killing DEA agent Enrique Camarena was overturned after it was revealed that it was an improper trial. (Post)
News source(s): CBS News
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Nominator's comments: He was released from prison for having an improper trial. He originally was sentenced to forty years in jail for killing Enrique Camarena. Andise1 (talk) 19:14, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I should have read that before posting. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 22:46, 9 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think the Mexican drug war is important enough generally for ITN and key events are ITN worthy. Certainly it gets a great deal of press in the US. However, as said above we probably should have posted the decision, not the actual release.--Johnsemlak (talk) 01:11, 10 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't really get the impression the OP was saying "This is not important because it only happened in Mexico. Rather, the implication seemed to be a worldwide impact would be more impressive. That being said, this sort of thing has happened before in reverse, where people have gotten off in America when they are wanted in other countries. The bottom line is it is a very recondite issue. The will be no general interest; just a very emotional response by those very closely related to and invested in the issue. μηδείς (talk) 02:05, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly what I was thinking, but I would have never been able to express it as well as you did. ComputerJA (☎ • ✎) 04:21, 11 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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