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Floquenbeam

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Nomination

Floquenbeam (talk · contribs)

Self-nom statement: I'd like to request the admin bit back from the community. I don't want to regurgitate everything that happened during the Fram fiasco just to explain to the few people who don't know anything about it, but who are still active at RFA. Just click on that link. So I'll just briefly say that, after getting desysopped by WMF for a month for overturning an office action, asking for and getting resysopped by a Crat because it should be a community decision, I then resigned 3 weeks ago for two intertwined reasons. One was to follow in the footsteps of others protesting the lack of respect being shown to our community by the WMF. Another was because I felt that my reverting an office action was probably serious enough that the community should decide whether I should still be an admin or not, even if the WMF blinked and didn't re-desysop me. I'm aware of the emerging consensus here that the resignation wasn't under a cloud, but it's important to me (and, I think, to the community) that this be via RFA instead of just asking at WP:BN. I won't be able to do anything about opposes based on "RFA unnecessary, just ask at BN", but they will make me sad, and depending on how the Crats weigh them, they might be self-defeating.

On the other hand, opposes based on the belief that it was unacceptable for me to undo an office action are completely legitimate, and I'd beg everyone to please not hassle anyone who opposes on that basis; let's not reignite that particular fire. Of course, people could also oppose because they think I generally suck and shouldn't be an admin; that's cool too; feel free to hassle those opposes (just kidding!).

The WMF's statement came after my resignation; while I'm not thrilled with how far it went, I'm grudgingly accepting about how far it went. I tentatively think the mass resignations in protest did their job about as well as we could reasonably expect. I've never planned or said I was resigning until Fram was unbanned; I resigned until Fram could appeal their ban to ArbCom, which is apparently the case now.

I'm not perfect, and don't expect this RFA to be the cakewalk some people were claiming it would be in the immediate aftermath of the crisis. I knew the reversal of an office action (in spite of having consensus behind me) would cause further disruption, and I did it anyway. I've never really written articles, and contribute to article space even less now than I did before my previous RFA, which was charitably characterized at the time as "uninspiring". I said "fuck you" to another editor a year or two ago and haven't apologized. I block vandals well before the required 4 warnings of increasing severity. I've probably made some enemies from trying to solve disputes at AN/ANI. I'm grumpier than I used to be. And I haven't even been terribly active in the last year. I'm not really planning on turning over a new leaf. What you saw is what you'll get. </softselloftheyear>

I'm not sure how active I'll be in the coming months; I haven't regained the enthusiasm I lost last month. But I'll probably be active enough that this won't be a waste of anyone's time. I kind of hate this process and considered not being an admin anymore. I also considered waiting a few months for this, until I got that enthusiasm back, and out of respect for the multiple admins who resigned and haven't asked for the bit back yet, and the multiple editors who quietly quit working and haven't restarted. But on reflection I think it should be now or never: a resysop request months down the line will likely be more drama than other people's resysop requests at WP:BN. Whatever the resolution between us and the WMF is going to be, however it ends up working out, I think running this RFA months down the road might stir up bad feelings that, by then, might be better left alone. So having intentionally added to the drama when I felt it was the best thing for our community, I'm asking for the bit back now instead of later to intentionally try to decrease future drama - also because I feel it will be best for the community.

Also, if it helps those on the fence: I've reached my lifetime quota for reversing office actions, so if/when another completely unacceptable office action ever gets made, I'll leave it to others to reverse it (or not).

I won't answer the standard questions; everyone probably has a good or bad image of me by now and just wants me to shut up so they can get to the voting. I'll stick my nose in at least once a day to answer any additional questions. Please for the love of all that is holy, don't ask the "which of these following 12 usernames would violate the username policy" questions. I'm too old for that shit, and already saw those last time. I do, however, have a renewed understanding of the difference between a block and a ban.... --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:17, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. Please answer these questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?
A: See self-nom statement.
2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?
A: See self-nom statement.
3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
A: See self-nom statement.

You may ask optional questions below. There is a limit of two questions per editor. Multi-part questions disguised as one question, with the intention of evading the limit, are disallowed. Follow-up questions relevant to questions you have already asked are allowed.

Additional Question from Nosebagbear
4. Which of these 11 usernames is least legitimate Notwithstanding anything to do with the Fram saga, do you have any Admin actions/decisions that you actually do regret taking?
A: Surprisingly, there aren't that many admin actions (that I remember) that I've regretted. The one that has always stuck in my mind is from way back in 2013 (I'm surprised; it feels more recent). At the time, I felt a long-term good-faith editor was intentionally keeping a dispute with someone else going when I was trying to resolve it, so I gave one of those "if you reinstate this I will block you" warnings and then blocked him for a day when he reinstated it. While I could probably defend it on the merits if pushed, it came dangerously close to a "Respect Mah Authoritah" block, and it was pretty much a dick move on my part. Especially the part where I made it so that doing what I wanted him to do required him to publicly back down from a challenge. I think that block has stuck in my head because that kind of thing irks me so much when I see it elsewhere. He and I have mended fences since, but I've always been unimpressed with my behavior there.
There are a couple more from so long ago that it isn't worth rehashing the details, where I was probably too rash. Seems to be a common denominator whenver I get into trouble....
I'm sure there are several other blocks that were too lenient or too harsh, or marginal situations where I chose not to block when I should have (and thus wasted the time of people who had to deal with them), or blocked when it could have been solved in other ways, but none so outlandish that I recall getting called out for them. There are no doubt others that I simply don't recall because my memory sucks. If there is one in particular you're curious about, feel free to point me to it. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:54, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Additional Question from Andrew D.
5. The account name "Floquenbeam" has a nice ring to it but its meaning is unclear to me. What is its origin please?
A: This one's easy, as I have a pre-written answer already waiting. If you promise not to MFD it as WP:NOTWEBHOST, I'll point you to User:Floquenbeam/Policy-violating blog#My username. You can ignore the second section if you want; it's unrelated, though entertaining in a "Wow, Floq sure was an idiot as a kid, wasn't he?" kind of way. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:13, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Additional question from Pharaoh of the Wizards
6. Does IAR allow An admin to overturn a decision taken by another Admin ( Ex An Admin closes an AFD as delete can a admin unilaterally restore it under IAR) ? Will you consider doing such an action ?
A: Policy doesn't forbid it - it isn't wheel warring - but courtesy and common sense mean it should happen rarely. I've done it before, but mostly in unblocking someone when the block was clearly in error, and the blockee was getting increasingly upset, and the blocker wasn't active at that moment. In that specific set of circumstances, the blockee's feelings are more important than waiting as a courtesy to the blocking admin. In almost any other situation I can think of offhand, there's no real urgency, so the courtesy of a discussion with the other admin first is the obvious choice. FWIW, I had a standing policy of "I'm not online very often these days, so if you think an admin action I've taken in the past is wrong or no longer useful, go ahead and undo or change it without feeling like you have to talk to me first" when I was an admin, and will continue that if this passes. I guess the only other time I can think of is when they've clearly made a small mistake - say deleting an article instead of the redirect they meant to - and I'm confident they won't mind if I just admin-gnome to clean up. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:26, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Additional question from Iridescent
7. Obviously your edits for this year will be slightly skewed by the events of June, but the fact remains that for the combined period of 2018–19 you have a total of 264 edits to article space compared to 3009 edits to non-article space, for a total of 9% edits to mainspace in 2018 and 7% so far this year. Those are figures that under normal circumstances would cause me instantly to oppose any candidate at RFA unless there was a good explanation to the contrary ("I work in sandboxes so this 15,000 word article I wrote only counts as a single mainspace edit", "I spend much of my time editing images/writing bots/reviewing articles for issues" etc). I'll obviously make allowances for the time that you were on Arbcom as that unavoidably wastes the time of anyone on it, but do you feel it's appropriate for someone who appears largely detached from our supposed primary purpose to be straight back at RFA? (Note that this is not the prelude to an oppose, but I would be interested in how you answer. I assume you're aware that the emergence of a class of professional managers on Wikipedia who have little recent experience of what the wiki is like for ordinary editors is something with which I've long had an issue.)
A: I focus on what I enjoy the most, and what I think I do best. The areas I tend to focus on are useful to the project (IMHO), but aren't creating content. For example, I've done a lot of blocking and warning people at AIV, who have been identified and reverted already by other people, so I have a user talk page edit but no matching mainspace edit. I spend time at WP:ERRORS, so dealing with issues raised there requires edits to WP space and template space, but not to main space (usually it's someone else who's already fixed the article, and is asking an admin to fix the main page blurb/hook/summary). If someone is asking for help at AN/ANI, that's almost always a behavioral thing and won't result in a mainspace edit. And honestly, after more than 10 years on the project, some days I like to chat with friends. I could occasionally make an AWB run to boost my mainspace count, but doing so is over my head and I would screw dozens of pages up. or I could do some recent changes patrolling, but if I do say so myself, I put in more than my fair share of that over the years, and no longer find it fun.
So the question is, is an admin focused exclusively on non-writing tasks a good thing? It depends; is mainspace edit percentage the only metric for whether someone understands "what the wiki is like for ordinary editors"? If doing what I enjoy most was causing damage, then I'd say no, it isn't a good thing. But if it's simultaneously enjoyable for me and making incremental changes that improve the encyclopedia (or that improve the experience of people who are creating content), then I'd say yes, it is a good thing, regardless of my mainspace count. I'll always respect people who oppose adminship based on "not enough article improvement", because I see where they're coming from, but I'll always disagree, because i think it's an imperfect measure of their benefit to the project, and an imperfect measure of the way they'll treat ordinary editors. If a would-be professional manager is causing problems for people creating content, oppose them for that, no matter what their article edit count. If they're helping them, then don't have a minimum mainspace requirement. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:44, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Additional question from Levivich
8. In your opinion, what would have happened differently if you hadn't unblocked Fram? – Levivich 21:19, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
A: (Trying to find a good compromise between 1 sentence and 10 paragraphs....) I obviously can't know for sure. But I suspect we would have ultimately had a much less acceptable response from the WMF office and board; I don't think we got the response we did in spite of the unblock, I think we got it (in part) because of the unblock. I believed at the time, and am still fairly sure, that by enacting consensus and unblocking Fram, rather than just joining the already-long line of people objecting to the way the ban was handled, I helped change the mindset of some people in the WMF office from "Well, we expected lots of people to whine for a while, but all we have to do is wait this out" to "Oh crap, they're raising the stakes, we may actually have to give in and talk to them instead of at them, lest this make us look bad in public". I 100% guarantee that the threat of the unblock got them to respond in the first place. Bish's re-unblock (sorry Lee Vilenski) was more important than my unblock of Fram in that regard ("Oh double crap, this wasn't just one loon"), as was WJBscribe's even higher-cost action ("Oh triple crap with cherries on top"). I'm not the master game theorist my current president is, so I didn't plan this all out 15 moves in advance. When they finally got smart and declined to reblock, I realized we couldn't win by playing "I'm Spartacus" all day, and thought we were lost. Then the mass resignations started (also more important than my unblock of Fram). So in isolation, I don't think the unblock swayed anything, but it kept the pressure on, and the cumulative effect of that and all the subsequent actions did sway things. I firmly believe I was one part of a chain of events that improved the WMF's response. I firmly believe that if I hadn't done what I did, and Bish and WJBscribe hadn't done what they did, and all the editors and admins who quit/resigned hadn't done what they did, WMF office would have never agreed that ArbCom can review such a block. --Floquenbeam (talk) 23:58, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Additional question from Pharaoh of the Wizards
9. In an extenstion to Q 6.An article has been twice been deleted in AFD 1 and 2 and in DRV and admin restores it with a summary Evidently notable, deletion of the article is a major embarassement for Wikipedia overturning the decision of 2 admins one in AFD and DRV .The article in question is Clarice Phelps .Would you consider this to be an application of WP:IAR or WP:WHEEL and if so why ?If it is not WP:IAR why ?
A: I don't think it was wheel warring, which requires re-doing an admin action that had previously been reverted. It was an attempt at IAR, but it certainly didn't work out. I wouldn't have done it myself, for several reasons. First, it wasn't undoing an admin action, it was undoing the result of two consensus discussions. Second, it wasn't something that couldn't wait for more discussion (although the way Rama worded it, I suspect they thought it was time sensitive because of the press coverage). I think Rama caught more flak for that than was warranted, to be honest, and I don't doubt their intentions, but no it wasn't a wise attempt to use WP:IAR; if nothing else, it should have been obvious in advance that it wouldn't stick. In a bit of "it's a small world-ness", Fram's solution was the wisest. --Floquenbeam (talk) 00:25, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Additional question from usernamekiran
10. PREAMBLE: This requirement was foreshadowed on your talk page a very long time ago (somewhere around late 2009), and now comes to fruition.
REQUIREMENT: Please compose and present one Shakespearean form sonnet illuminating something about Floquenbeam in the role of Wikipedia administrator. —usernamekiran(talk) 23:03, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
A: Usernamekiran is referring to this question from long ago. I'll cheat and let my answer from back then stand; I think I've lost even the illusion of creativity I had then. I wonder whatever happened to User:Proofreader77. I always found him either harmlessly cryptic, or entertainingly cryptic, but I was apparently in the minority... --Floquenbeam (talk) 00:11, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

RfAs for this user:

Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review his contributions before commenting.

Support
  1. Welcome back! El_C 19:32, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Let's do it then. Always noticed you as being one of the reasonable and fair ones. Steel1943 (talk) 19:32, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Going "neutral". Steel1943 (talk) 19:55, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I think Wikipedia is better with Floquenbeam having the tools than with Floquenbeam not having the tools. With very few exceptions (but they do exist) I think he has the knack for boldness when required, de-escalating behaviour when required, and often both wrapped into one action or series of actions. I actually think he was a very good administrator. ---Sluzzelin talk 19:33, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. -- zzuuzz (talk) 19:33, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  4. I agree too.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:35, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Yep. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 19:36, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Support Floq and I pretty strongly disagreed immediately before his resignation, and I think we likely still do on several things related to the fallout from FRAM. That being said, I think he always acted in what he felt was the best interest of the project, and he has also pretty consistently been opposed to harassment in the past. While I would not support an RfA or RfB for WJBscribe (it’s the elephant in the room, so I’ll mention it), I do not think Floq’s actions harmed the community, and thus I am happy to support an administrator whom I have always admired and respected, even in our disagreements. TonyBallioni (talk) 19:39, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Support specifically because of the WP:FRAM actions. —/Mendaliv/2¢/Δ's/ 19:39, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Support. Your nom is mature and fairly considered; you have also shown the community respect, and I also return the gesture. Britishfinance (talk) 19:40, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Support Floq has long been a big positive to the admin corps and there is no reason to think this will change. Welcome back. GoldenRing (talk) 19:41, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  10. support - for sure. Great admin. Although there needs to be a better word for "re-desysop". Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:42, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Support. Thank you for all you have done and continue to do for the Wikipedia community. -- Tavix (talk) 19:43, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  12. Mkativerata (talk) 19:44, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  13. Strong support I don't think a rational is needed. 💵Money💵emoji💵💸 19:45, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  14. Support. Indispensable admin. Favonian (talk) 19:48, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  15. Absolutely, and with pleasure. Beyond My Ken (talk) 19:50, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  16. Support. Obviously. Ifnord (talk) 19:50, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  17. Support strongly and with bells on. The kind of editor we need to have as an admin. --bonadea contributions talk 19:52, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  18. Strong support, per Sluzzelin, Floquenbeam was and will continue to be a great admin, no hesitation here. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 19:56, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  19. Support, with no reservations whatsoever. Jip Orlando (talk) 19:59, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  20. —Kusma (t·c) 20:06, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  21. Support unreservedly. Floquenbeam is among the select group of editors here whose head nearly always seems to be screwed on straight. I don't find the office-action-reversion kerfuffle to be disqualifying, nor do I find concerns that this means he's going to sympathize with harassers compelling (I've certainly seen no other evidence of this streak in Floquenbeam's edits and actions). That leaves me solidly in the support group. Let's hang onto good editors as long as we can. Ajpolino (talk) 20:08, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  22. Support - Not that we should be here anyway, but you have my full support (in the non-politician meaning of the phrase). Mjroots (talk) 20:10, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  23. Support IARing my usual criteria to support this RFA Iffy★Chat -- 20:12, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  24. Absolutely. SQLQuery me! 20:14, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  25. Support Without question. Kosack (talk) 20:16, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  26. Support. I think that arguing about Framgate now would only divide people between those who make one set of guesses versus those who make a different set of guesses. I'd rather wait and see the results of the Arbcom case ... that's as close as we're likely to come to finding out what actually happened. So, I don't see anything to be gained by turning this into a kerfuffle. Floq has proved himself many times over. - Dank (push to talk) 20:17, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  27. Support. Oh good, I get to be the first to say "I thought he was one already". But seriously, if there is to be any element of a community referendum about Floquenfram (OK, that part wasn't so serious), I want to come down very firmly on the side of supporting. He did the right thing, period. And he is fully qualified, of course. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:17, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  28. Support. Based on Floq's previous admin record. Loopy30 (talk) 20:18, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  29. Support. Si. Kante4 (talk) 20:20, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  30. Support -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:23, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  31. Support Floquenbeam is one of our best admins and it would be a huge asset to the encyclopedia for him to have the tools back.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:24, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  32. Support because Floq's desysop was supposed to be temporary (per the WMF) and as such should have been restored after the 30 days were up (which happened on July 12). SkyWarrior 20:26, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  33. Support 28bytes (talk) 20:29, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  34. Of course. Reyk YO! 20:32, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  35. Support with such pleasure. My esteem for Floq has always been high and came through this incident even higher. Barkeep49 (talk) 20:35, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  36. Support a very good admin with principles Atlantic306 (talk)
  37. Support 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 20:40, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  38. Support It wasn't an action I supported, but I can see the GF behind it. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:41, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  39. Support. After all that, checking in with the community to see whether you still had our trust and support shows courage and good judgment. – bradv🍁 20:43, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  40. Support I'm disappointed by the dreadful reasoning of those currently sat in the Oppose section. Floquenbeam did what they did to ensure the English Wikipedia community, which gave birth to the pathetic spectacle that is the Wikimedia Foundation, realised they come before the foundation. They did what they did to ensure the Foundation hears, loud and clear, that they need to engage and consult with us, and to not treat us with contempt. Their judgement is sound and their administrative record is unimpeachable. Nick (talk) 20:47, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  41. Support per Bradv. Schazjmd (talk) 20:59, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  42. Support Floquenbeam is one of the better administrators I have dealt with on the project. Fair and firm - and not punitive. ! I think the actions taken were regrettable, and I understand why they were taken. Welcome back and keep being fair and firm on the project. Lightburst (talk) 21:07, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  43. Support - because I still believe in 2nd chances, even when it's the 4th or 5th. Some may call me an eternal optimist but I do have a cutoff point and Floq isn't there yet. Am I too lenient? No, because I see it more as being able to recognize the good in people, knowing that no one is perfect. We all make mistakes. Floq was pretty hard on me during my t-ban appeal, but he was up-front about it, and he didn't dally long. As for his actions during FRAMBAN, well...I did not necessarily agree with his actions, but he stood for what he thought was right. Being able to recognize one's mistakes and coming forward to admit them carries weight in my book. I commend Floq's courage to stand for what he believed in and then, to admit when his actions raised question - it's the kind of behavior that shows character...and I see that as a good thing. Atsme Talk 📧 21:10, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  44. Per SkyWarrior, and Special:Diff/901556031. —Cryptic 21:11, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  45. Of course. You were always one of the best ones around, and standing up for what you thought was right reinforces my opinion. - SchroCat (talk) 21:16, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  46. Support. The SanFran Foundation is overstaffed with overpaid people. When trying to bypass the regular procedures of self-administration, these people weren't acting as the office of the Encyclopedia we are trying to write, but only as a self expanding bureaucracy. When opposing such an illegitimate move, Floquenbeam was simply fulfilling his duties: he was, and will remain an administrator chosen by this community, nothing else. Pldx1 (talk) 21:17, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  47. Support, and I never ever participate in RfAs. EEng 21:23, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  48. Support Thanks for taking one for the team, and welcome back! --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 21:25, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  49. Support I expect administrators to enact consensus. Floquenbeam has done that, and only fair that we re-affirm that he continues have the trust of the community. Vexations (talk) 21:25, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  50. Strong Support —pythoncoder (talk | contribs) 21:27, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  51. Support Thank you for going through this process. You have my full faith and support. CThomas3 (talk) 21:28, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  52. Support per Sluzzelin signed, Rosguill talk 21:32, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  53. Salvio Let's talk about it! 21:40, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  54. Support - has my confidence. Neutralitytalk 21:46, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  55. Support I wasn't over impressed by the reverting of the office action, but definitely feel that this is an application to celebrate. So let's slay a fatted calf, or beanburger, or whatever. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:49, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  56. Support. I've always considered Floq one of the best, and that has nothing to do with the recent Fram events. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:52, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  57. Support I remain confident in Floquenbeam's judgment. OhNoitsJamie Talk 21:54, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  58. Support restoration of tools. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:54, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  59. Support. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 22:01, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  60. Support precious civil disobedience --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:05, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  61. Support A sincere request, and proven contributor. Grey Wanderer (talk) 22:06, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  62. Support: I'm so glad that any backlash you may have received for doing what you thought – correctly IMHO – was the right thing has not put you off offering to serve as an administrator again. You have my unreserved support. --RexxS (talk) 22:07, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  63. Support. Not as a referandum on WP:FRAMGATE, but because I continue to have full trust in Floq.--Mojo Hand (talk) 22:12, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  64. Support - Because Floq is one of our best admins! :) ~Swarm~ {sting} 22:13, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  65. Support. Yes, of course. Cardamon (talk) 22:15, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  66. Support. Need more admins. Haukur (talk) 22:17, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  67. Strongest possible support Welcome back, because this place needs you. Miniapolis 22:18, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  68. Strongest possible support Floq's record as an Arb and admin speaks for itself. But that is not the determining factor of my strong support. Over the years, whenever I see Floquenbeam's comments I am always impressed by their astuteness. But even that is not a determining factor for me. The determining factor for me is that Floq delivers his comments in a way that reveals a lightness of spirit. I think Wikipedia needs this type of editor in any capacity but even more so as an admin. As far as his actions during the SANFRANFRAMDRAMABAN, well, he has my support in that as well mainly because I don't think that imposition of opaque star chambers is the best solution when dealing with the en.wiki community. Dr. K. 22:24, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  69. Support as one more step in undoing all the harm T&S have done. (Fram is still banned, though; sigh.) Huldra (talk) 22:34, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  70. Support - a net positive, not a jerk. --MrClog (talk) 22:36, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  71. Support I don't see any issues. Masum Reza📞 22:53, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  72. 100% Kurtis (talk) 23:02, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  73. Support Should Floquenbeam have reverted that office action? No. Should they have reverted that office action? Yes. Clearly this is what IAR was designed for and an admin willing to invoke it should definitely stay an admin. Sometimes the simplest path forward is also the best path forward. --regentspark (comment) 23:04, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  74. per Addy, Salvio, and 78.26 (spin him!) —usernamekiran(talk) 23:08, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Update: I have seen Floque around since my early days of editing. I have also been following Fram fiasco since like day 2 or 3. I am not going to discuss it here. But I trust Floque. And as part of the enwiki community, I want Floque to retain the admin duties. Also, regardless the answer to my Q11, I support this request. I had to ask the Q merely for formality purposes. —usernamekiran(talk) 23:27, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  75. An unequivocal support from me.-- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 23:29, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  76. Support. I like a little bit of radical action now and then.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 23:31, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  77. Support — I'm not sure that the time to end an admin strike is now, but respect your decision. No worries. Carrite (talk) 23:32, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  78. Support Many times a discussion has been stuck at a noticeboard when Floquenbeam took charge and made the right decision that, in retrospect, (almost) everyone agreed with. Johnuniq (talk) 23:40, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  79. Support strongly and without reservations. MastCell Talk 23:50, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  80. Support for demonstrated dedication and good judgment (and I'm not basing that narrowly on WP:FRAM-related actions). Abecedare (talk) 00:00, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  81. Support ~SS49~ {talk} 00:03, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  82. Support. Floq was one of the admins that made me feel honored to be one as well. I hope this succeeds. If it does not, there's something rotten in the state of Denmark and I think I won't be the only one to question their loyalty to our beautiful project. Drmies (talk) 00:14, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Iridescent, thank you for that question. It's a fair one, and a tricky one for old timers like Floq and a bunch of others to answer. I suspect a few years from now my edit stats will be very similar to Floq's. As for this particular instance, I think what matters is that Floq's past contributions have given him a good sense of what Wikipedia editors think and what they go through if blocked, if their articles are nominated for deletion, if they get hauled off to ANI, etc. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 00:25, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  83. Support and welcome back. Enwebb (talk) 00:15, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  84. Support for all the obvious reasons, plus I admire your gumption in not answering the standard questions, plus the end of your nom made me laugh. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 00:18, 23 July 2019 (UTC) p.s. "the required 4 warnings of increasing severity" – there is no such requirement. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 00:18, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  85. Support of course. Rong Qiqi (talk) PRO-WIKIPEDIA = ANTI-WMF 00:30, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  86. Support – Floq has a long record of good judgment as an admin. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 00:33, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  87. Support He was a good admin before and him taking a stand against the WMF in order to defend a basic principle of the project that was under attack certainly doesn't change that. An easy support. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 00:44, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  88. Support. AhmadLX-)¯\_(ツ)_/¯) 00:47, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  89. Support. I have not bothered developing strong views about the Fram thing, or about Floq's conduct during it. But the question is whether he has my confidence as an admin going forward, and he does—the Fram thing was, at worst, a single incident of bad judgment. On the question of whether this RFA is unnecessary drama-seeking, he's articulated a principled basis on which he's returning here rather than just requesting the return of his tools; it is not the only conclusion a principled person could reach, but it is the one that Floq's reached, and I'm not going to criticize him for it. Steve Smith (talk) 00:48, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  90. Support – my first reaction was "facepalm" but then I realised that the other way to resolve an action deemed problematic by some would be to.....desysop and undergo a community RfA...which is what we are doing...and here we are. net positive, 'nuff said. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:52, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  91. Support Special circumstances, etc etc, welcome back. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 00:57, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  92. Support, took a stance, got punished, wants tools again, welcome back. Coolabahapple (talk) 01:05, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  93. Support – the sonnet convinced me. – Levivich 01:07, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @Levivich: In other words, my question convinced you —usernamekiran(talk) 01:46, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  94. 20 mule team Support AFAIK Floq has worked in the best interests of the project for years and will continue to do so.
  95. Support Tolly4bolly 01:46, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  96. Support - happy to have you back. Tazerdadog (talk) 01:49, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  97. Support. Sometimes inflammation is good. It the the natural defense against parasites, for example. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:53, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  98. Only because of "I've reached my lifetime quota for reversing office actions". Generally trusted and competent when not reversing office actions. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 02:01, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  99. Support Floq has a long history as a productive and fair administrator. He took a stand regarding Fram that I was not sure I supported at the time, but I now find his answer to question #8 quite persuasive. That single action is surely not enough, in my view, to oppose. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:02, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  100. Meh - I don't care I suppose he won't break that much. /sarcasm. Seriously, 'teh wiki' needs people who use common sense a lot more than folks who can simply regurgitate policy. — Ched :  ?  — 02:05, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  101. Support - Just woke up, saw Floq wanted re-adminship, so the first order of the day is 1 support. I spent an unnecessary hour reading through Q's and A's. Wot I was supposed to learn: The qualities of character that Floq has and how they will or will not make Floq a good admin. Wot I actually learned: Floq is a Scooby-Doo fan, failed author, and composer of poetry. ... Close enough. But for real doe, I already knew Floq was a good admin. Mr rnddude (talk) 02:42, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  102. Support Clearly. No concerns. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 03:14, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Floquenbeam acted in a way that overturned a decision intended to prevent harassment on the project, without reviewing the evidence for such a decision. This action was out-of-order and potentially opened the door for the harassment to continue, therefore I must oppose this request for adminship. StudiesWorld (talk) 19:43, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Overturning the office action was not necessary and was inflammatory. Attempting to join as a party to the WJBScribe Arbcom self-reference case was unnecessary. This "RfA confirmation" is unnecessary. I prefer to see things straight on, without a fandom squint. I see 3 unnecessary actions. It shows, to me, a serial lack of judgement. Leaky caldron (talk) 20:28, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per StudiesWorld. I think reverting the office action was a massive mistake in judgment. It's nice to see that you're saying you won't revert another office action, more troubling to see that you apparently don't think reverting the office action was inappropriate in a vacuum. Banedon (talk) 21:04, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Oppose -- As hard as it is for me to do so, I have to agree with Leaky caldron's reasoning. Dolotta (talk) 22:33, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Oppose- I have to agree with Leaky caldron. And even in general, Floquenbeam seems to do things impulsively as he thinks right, instead of standing back, evaluating the consensus and then doing what is agreed upon. Not the perfect person to be given the ability to block people.—NØ 01:28, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Oppose - Creates a lot of unnecessary and distracting drama, and sometimes it's due to poor judgment. It hasn't been long enough since resigning to seek reinstatement. Take some more time for self-reflection and growth. HiMyNameIsFrancesca (talk) 01:31, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
  1. ...Okay, since Ajraddatz said what they said, and I don't really know anything about WP:FRAM (and quite frankly don't care to ever), and since I don't have the bandwidth to evaluate any specific resignation regarding this, I'll just ... stay here and stay out. Steel1943 (talk) 19:55, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  2. I'll be here, for now, as my initial feeling is that Floquenbeam was the source of a world of headaches for the project over the last few weeks and that's not a good look, in my opinion, for someone wishing to hold the mop. At the moment, I don't feel that that's enough for me to outright oppose, as their intentions may have been good, but I can't quite support, either. StrikerforceTalk 21:12, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    "Floquenbeam was the source of a world of headaches for the project" I think T&S take the honours there, but everyone's mileage differs. - SchroCat (talk) 21:14, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Neutral: the reversal of this office action was petty and childish. It was obvious that it would make no demonstrable difference to the situation involving the WMF and Fram, and simply no way to go about resolving the conflict. I am not opposed to reversal of office actions as an absolute rule, nor I am opposed to unblocking someone when you don't understand why they were blocked as an absolute rule, but both require an exceptionally good reason and I do not believe there was one here. And when it comes to their behaviour other than this one incident, I'm not filled with confidence by I'm grumpier than I used to be. However, after much consideration I end up in the neutral section because (a) Floquenbeam demonstrates excellent judgement in signing up for a reconfirmatory RfA despite the consensus that they needn't do so to regain the tools and (b) I honestly can't find a convincing reason why they wouldn't be a net positive with the tools in the future. — Bilorv (he/him) (talk) 22:30, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Neutral. Unblocking Fram was the wrong move so I can't support but we, as a community, need to move on so I can't oppose. Pichpich (talk) 23:51, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I'll consider your request and get back to you shortly.  Done — Ched :  ?  — 00:27, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Neutral As per the +1 comment given at this RFC under the section does wikipedia......….. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2018/Electoral_Commission
General comments
  • This has already turned into another referendum on FRAM, so I won't be voting. But I will say that I was generally disappointed by Floq's actions regardless of my stance on the issue: admins should be providing calm, orderly and de-escalating contributions in these sorts of discussions and Floq did the exact opposite of that. I also expect that the sysop tools will be returned to Floq and he will use them well. But this really feeds into a number of narratives about Wikipedia: established contributors/admins can really do whatever they want without consequence, and this does not give the impression that we take harassment seriously on this website. -- Ajraddatz (talk) 19:49, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I disagree with a lot of what you wrote. I wasn't voting on FRAM, but on Floquenbeam's actions as an administrator they way I have seen and followed them for years. Far from being "the exact opposite", his unblock of Fram de-escalated the behaviour of those who disagreed vehemently with the way T&S blocked Fram, in my view. And I disagree that harassment enters the equation at this point, not because I don't take it seriously, but because I've seen no evidence of harassment, despite taking a hard look. ---Sluzzelin talk 19:56, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    And I disagree with everything that you wrote. The office action has done absolutely nothing to help stem harassment on the English Wikipedia – ask the victims if they feel any less harassed now, if you don't believe me. It merely went some distance in turning Fram into a cause célèbre. The only way that we will make strides in combating harassment is when T&S work hand-in-hand with ArbCom to separate investigation from quasi-judicial decision, and retain a degree of accountability in the system. Floq did us all a favour by moving the debate along and away from the "this is final, unreviewable and unappealable" rhetoric that was prevalent beforehand. --RexxS (talk) 22:20, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I understand that the concern at FRAM was that the community was unable to judge the evidence. I'm saying that from the perspective of a vulnerable person trying to figure out if Wikipedia is a safe place to be the debate doesn't look good. A narrative has built up over years that Wikipedia will tolerate any amount of negative behaviour coming from established users, and Floq's action looks to confirm that narrative regardless of his motivations. -- Ajraddatz (talk) 22:35, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    No, the concern at FRAM was that a seemingly unaccountable body bypassed our normal procedures without any warning and took an opaque action that nobody was able to review. I don't want to see the evidence because passing evidence to a nobody like me would produce a chilling effect on anyone who was considering complaining about harassment. And that's the last thing we want to happen. I take the time each year to take part in ArbCom elections because I think it is important that we elect a group of editors whom I trust to look at that sort of evidence and to evaluate it sensitively, and then to reach a reasoned decision based on it. Personally, I'm all in favour of a vulnerable person having as many avenues to seek advice or relief as we can find for them – and that includes T&S as an investigative body. What I'm not keen on is quite unnecessarily establishing a parallel, unaccountable second "ArbCom" made up of staff. I hope that part is clearer to you now. As for the "unblockables", that trope went out of the window with the creation of Arbitration Enforcement and the consequent removal of second-mover advantage. You'll have to look elsewhere for a coathook to hang your condemnation of Floq on. --RexxS (talk) 22:52, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I appreciate your further clarification. I have no doubt that Floq and those who supported his actions were acting in good faith, and that nobody here actively thinks that harassment is a good thing. But the willingness to not only stand with someone who was desysopped and banned after what was publicly called an intensive investigation, but also unblock them without further evidence, reveals something about the priorities that the community has -- implicitly or otherwise. I'm sure we'll disagree on this point and that's fine. I am not here to convince 93 people to change their vote to oppose, nor am I here to oppose Floq's resysop myself. But I really don't think that these sort of actions should be encouraged or reflected on without some critique. -- Ajraddatz (talk) 01:32, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Would you consider answering the standard three questions for those of us who may not know that much about you? I would be pleased to know what I'm meant to be voting for or against.
    As it stands, my only memorable interaction with you was when you objected to me calling myself a defendant in Cirt/Sagecandor v. SashiRolls (Second Prosecution: 22 June 2017).
    Your edit summary: "AE is often run on a tighter leash than AN/ANI; admins don't usually look favorably on this type of gamesmanship"
    I admit that this left me with an unfavorable impression of you as Sagecandor was already widely assumed to be a sock-prosecutor / deceptive actor and yet you chose to focus on my use of the (entirely accurate) section title "defendant's statement" as "gamesmanship" (which incidentally is not a gender neutral term and could probably stand to be deprecated ^^). 🌿 SashiRolls t · c 20:04, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    SashiRolls, out of curiosity, what alternative to "gamesmanship" do you propose?--Wehwalt (talk) 21:40, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    (Skilly) gaming? in the specific context of Floq's suggesting that I was gaming, I would submit that I thought I was suggesting structural reform (name the prosecutors & the defendants in Arby(Enforcement)Cases so you see patterns (like they do on fr.wp), don't just name the defendants. But I guess we've still got to get beyond the potty mouth list thing before trying to deal with subtler stuff.🌿 SashiRolls t · c 21:58, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]


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