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- John Bamlet Smallman (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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A successful but thoroughly nonnotable businessman --Altenmann >talk 00:37, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Joseph C. Shenker (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article only concerns a corporate lawyer and is entirely about this person's work for a law firm, Sullivan & Cromwell. When checking the sources there are few independent WP:BASIC sources, and the subject overall fails that criteria, lacking significant and independent coverage. It also doesn't help that the article is written in a promotional tone. It was created in July by a WP:SPA.
. There is an independent Wall Street Journal Article, but little other than that in terms of independent sources. A Business Insider article is short, minor, with only superficial coverage, and the NYT source just has brief mentions as well. GuardianH (talk) 17:31, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Agree with analysis above, a senior partner at a law firm and now into management with the firm, nothing very notable that I can see. WSJ is the best source, rest are name drops as explained. I don't find anything else. Oaktree b (talk) 22:30, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- This is an interview [23] by a Forbes contributor, and it's about the best that I could find. A !redirect to the law firm would be ok too. Oaktree b (talk) 22:32, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Abdul Samad Dawood (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Little has changed in his fortunes since the last AFD eight months ago. He's still a successful and civic-minded businessman from a prominent Pakistani business family, and has worked at a high level for some notable companies. But on Wikipedia, notability is not inherited. I couldn't find SIGCOV of him in English or Urdu, just passing mentions in articles about the companies and organisations he's worked for, nothing to bring it up to the standard of WP:BIO or WP:GNG. Wikishovel (talk) 17:16, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment: If only he had appeared in a few dramas, even in tiny roles, his BLP might have been easily saved from deletion under WP:NACTOR! But it’s ironic that someone so important in Pakistan's business community doesn’t have enough coverage that meets GNG. Anyway, I’ll hold off on voting for now. PS. No offense to the nominator Wikishovel, who also has legitimate reasons for taking it to AFD. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 17:37, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: Still not a slam dunk; outside of the Engro connection, there are no RS that discuss him and we only have source 13 that is helpful. Rest are yellow per Source Highlighter, so of moderate reliability. I still don't see/find much else we can use. Oaktree b (talk) 22:37, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep: The article follows the guidelines of WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV as it demonstrates significant coverage in both Pakistani and international media, meeting WP:RS. As per WP:BASIC, “People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published[4] secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other,[5] and independent of the subject.[6]” Please feel free to check the sources, they meet all the mentioned criteria. Crosji (talk) 07:11, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Reuters is RS.--Ameen Akbar (talk) 14:03, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete non-notable obscure business executive. Already deleted under Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Samad Dawood. I suggest to WP:SALT the topic because Dawood family won't stop paying these UPEs. 188.31.32.162 (talk) 20:35, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Aviv Elor (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Typical promotional article about a business founder. Every source cited in this article is affiliated with the subject in one way or another, or is not about the biography subject. Citations either stem from Santa Cruz Works (his company is a member of their accelerator program) or coverage from University of California, Santa Cruz sources, where he went to school. Other sources are actually about his sister, Amit Elor, who is an olympian and do not mention the subject of the article. I've searched in the usual places and haven't turned up anything but more stuff from the UCSC newslatter. This person doesn't meet either WP:GNG or WP:NBIO, so the article should be deleted. MrOllie (talk) 19:47, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete Typical entrepreneur promotion stuff, ref-bombed with half-relevent, semi-reliable sources. Nswix (talk) 20:06, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: A legitimate researcher, but not passing notability. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 02:41, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Asif Iqbal Memon (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:GNG. Subject does not seem to be notable enough for a standalone article, and coverage from reliable sources is clearly lacking. CycloneYoris talk! 04:07, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. Fails WP:GNG. 4 sources on the page and not any of them have indepth coverage on the subject. Sources are either about infamous Iqbal Mirchi or WP:ROUTINE news on Enforcement Directorate trying to declare Iqbal Mirchi's family as fugitive economic offenders. RangersRus (talk) 21:57, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Elvish Yadav (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Notability issue. Winning one show and couple of music videos are not enough. Xegma(talk) 05:20, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
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- It seems to me that the 50 ish refs do make the subject pass WP:NBASIC, could you specify the guideline that you are using to determine if they are notable or not? Captain Jack Sparrow (talk) 12:56, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep notability for WP:GNG is determined by significant coverage in multiple reliable sources and that is already demonstrated by the references in the article including many newspaper articles, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 20:55, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Daniel B. Cid (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Not enough in-depth references for a WP:BIO, suggest redirecting the article to his notable creation OSSEC. Already done that, but was reverted. PhotographyEdits (talk) 10:36, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Edward Hardin (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Created by an SPA back in 2008. The only references are links to a patent (the same one, but one is the US patent filing and the other is the Canadian filing) that Hardin and others filed jointly. It also doesn't appear that Hardin was the sole VP of manufacturing in the US for Mobil, which was the reasoning years ago for a declined PROD, but the manufacturing VP for a refinery in Beaumont, Texas. A search for more refs pulls up no reliable sources to support notability. GPL93 (talk) 19:06, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete No credible claim of notability. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:04, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: "Served in the war, went to university, worked for 40 years and retired" is about the extent of the article. Very basic information and nothing really notable found either. Seems like a routine career. Oaktree b (talk) 00:29, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete fails WP:GNG, created by SPA. Mztourist (talk) 03:02, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO. ----Kinu t/c 02:09, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Joël André Ornstein (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article was nominated for deletion 11 years ago, with the crux of the rationale being that the sourcing is dubious except for a 1-page article in his college's alumni magazine. 11 years later, that is still the case. Many sources are cited, but if you look at them, they are not actually independent sources about him. Several of them do not even mention him, and seem to be cited as background on his family and industry. The Yahoo one that does look like it might be a business article about him is actually just a press release. The alumni mag article is still the only possibly independent article actually about him, and if you look at it, it's a pretty thin puff piece. You could be generous and assume this is independent, significant coverage... but still, it's the only source that could be said of.
This article has all the hallmarks of paid editing. Created all at once by an account that never edited Wikipedia again, and in 10 years it's only received bot/housekeeping edits, and not a single incoming article link or content edit. But that's what happens when there's no real sources... there's just nothing to legitimately add to Wikipedia. I don't see any sources from various news searches. If a businessperson is never written about in the business press, are they really notable? I don't think so. Here2rewrite (talk)
- Delete: Rationale seems reasonable, also could not find sources. Mostly seems to be a person with a good CEO career and a wealthy family. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrfoogles (talk • contribs) 03:16, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. Mccapra (talk) 21:23, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Martin Lumbye (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Lumbye does not meet the criteria for WP:ANYBIO and does not appear to have sufficient coverage to meet WP:BASIC. The sources used on Lumbye's page are about the company Momondo, and mention him only in passing. The only source dedicated to Lumbye I can find is this short profile by Bloomberg, which is not extensive enough to establish notability. Uffda608 (talk) 13:09, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom, doesn't meet any notability criteria. seefooddiet (talk) 20:22, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ivana Knöll (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Coverage of this model is entirely limited to tabloid news, which is not WP:SIGCOV under WP:SBST, and to primary sources. She appears to promote herself as Miss Croatia, but she was a 2016 finalist, not the pageant winner. Fails WP:GNG, WP:NBIO. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:58, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 18:22, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. WP:BLP1E at best for getting photographed for the tabloids at the 2022 World Cup. That, and some gossip about a recent relationship, is all I can find about her online. Her business doesn't meet WP:CORP, and being an also-ran in Miss Croatia doesn't meet WP:NMODEL. Wikishovel (talk) 17:58, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Dclemens1971: I was intrigued by your comment that she promotes herself as Miss Croatia while not having won the pageant, which seems slightly extreme, so I did some more research on this topic (and her biography in general; noting that I participated in the shwiki AfD and !voted delete), and it seems that she doesn't do that. Some sources, not her, incorrectly reported that she was Miss Croatia. So it probably isn't fair to her to make such a statement about her (without evidence).—Alalch E. 20:53, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Alalch E. Perhaps I misread the tabloid coverage. Thanks for the correction; I'll strike my previous comment. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:54, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ghias Khan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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CEO doing his job, nothing significant done by him in his corporate career. References are basically primary references (i.e. interview) or mentions in reliable references. Pakistan & Gulf Economist article is the best reference about him but an archived version reveals that it is an interview as well ([24]). Bloomberg.com database entries are not useful for notability purposes. Clearly no way near meeting WP:GNG. DeploreJames (talk) 10:52, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Engro Corporation: as the subject is known for being the CEO of Engro, one of Pakistan's largest corporations. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 16:50, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep it, there are numerous articles on corporate leaders from all over who have held key positions and become part of public discourse, like Ghias Khan from Pakistan. He has interacted with public figures, made significant contributions to the industry, and recently moved on after many years. To test notability you just needed to read/watch news the lkast few years. It's legitimate to have such an article, and the fact that it has garnered at least 50K views indicates a certain level of public interest, therefore it should not be deleted but updated. Crosji (talk) 06:25, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Crosji, As the creator of this BLP, I’d love to see it rescued. However, I, lack the time or perhaps the interest, to dig into sources and defend this BLP, so I voted for a redirect. But anyway please remember to avoid WP:ATA (in this case WP:POPULARPAGE) when casting votes in AfD. — Saqib (talk I contribs) 06:45, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete or redirect per Saqib. WP:ROTM businessman, lacks direct and in-depth non-routine coverage. Interviews are not helpful to pass WP:GNG. 188.31.32.162 (talk) 20:36, 24 August 2024 (UTC)
- Samuel Huber (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Promotional BLP of a crypto entrepreneur fails WP:GNG, WP:NBIO due to lack of WP:SIGCOV in independent, reliable, secondary sources. Sources in article are primary or WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS; WP:BEFORE search turns up nothing more to establish notability. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:48, 19 August 2024 (UTC) Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:48, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Crypto PR items and business funding round announcements are all I find, for sourcing. What's used now isn't helpful, mostly primary or non-RS. Delete for lack of sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 16:52, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: The few sources I could find aren't independent of the subject. 0xchase (talk) 18:26, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Wayne T. Smith (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Basically per WP:WEBHOST. This article has been tagged as possibly having been "created or edited in return for undisclosed payments, a violation of Wikipedia's terms of use" for over seven years with no resolution of that tag. Notable or not, Wikipedia should not maintain content that violates its terms of use for such a length of time. BD2412 T 02:55, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Ramesh Kapur (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NBIO. The article has been padded-out with lots of passing mentions of the subject donating to this or that campaign, but the only significant coverage is in Caravan magazine (notably less positive than the current version of the article) and the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel (essentially an interview). One independent source isn't enough to achieve a neutral point of view. – Joe (talk) 08:04, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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- @Liz: I believe this eligible for soft deletion. – Joe (talk) 10:22, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Michael A. DeMayo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I don't know what to make of this article. Most of the sources available are marginal or sponsored or self, including for the firm, and the most reliable sources are only about disciplinary action against the attorney by the North Carolina Bar. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 12:36, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete. The owner of a non-notable law firm in North Carolina with few sources to suggest WP:ANYBIO, different from all the thousands of other law firm heads. I found little in coverage other than this article in The Charlotte Observer about him being censured by the State Bar and how he narrowly avoided being suspended because of false drama. GuardianH (talk) 18:03, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Randi Cogan-Shinder (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Article previously deleted as "(Expired PROD, concern was: Almost every single claim is not supported by the source. Many sources are unreliable, or make only trivial mention, or a primary like interviews and press releases.)" Nothing seems to have changed since. Refbombing seems to be mainly low-quality sources, largely involving regurgitation of press releases. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:NBUSINESSPERSON. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 16:29, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: I don't find anything about this business person in my search for sources, article reads like a resume. Simple confirmation of business activities, getting sued. I don't see notability. Oaktree b (talk) 00:26, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ted Wang (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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A WP:BEFORE did not reveal that the subject meets WP:SIGCOV. PROD was declined. TJMSmith (talk) 01:42, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Delete: Promotional. No SIGCOV or GNG met. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 01:48, 18 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Move to draft I support moving the article to draft where it can be incubated and sources that indicated notability are added. There is little coverage for series leed they lauched, Also the article can be rewritten from a more neutral point of viewTesleemah 09:54, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Axel Meise (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Sources are about the company; fails to meet WPANYBIO; COI (created by the employee - see the name of the author). BoraVoro (talk) 14:07, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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- maybe to draftify? BoraVoro (talk) 11:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- A conflict of interest is not a valid reason for deletion. While some cited sources are about the company, the article also cites multiple good sources that discuss the subject in detail, for example AW Architektur & Wohnen (footnote 1), Die Welt (footnote 4), or Handelsblatt (footnote 12). Also, I think that the article meets WP:ANYBIO #1. Meise has receieved well-known awards, which the article demonstrates. --88.20.56.144 (talk) 12:54, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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- Dirk Van de Put (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Doesn't meet WP:NOTABILITY, except with reference to other articles (i.e. Irene Rosenfeld and Mondelez International). Tule-hog (talk) 22:43, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
Delete:He is a prominent CEO, so I guess I'm testing deletionist waters with this. Does read a bit like a resume, which could just need attention.
- Tule-hog (talk) 22:46, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople and Belgium. Shellwood (talk) 23:00, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep, prominent CEO with enough coverage to meet the GNG (although the article is lacking) Microplastic Consumer (talk) 23:09, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Chairman and CEO of a Nasdaq 100/S&P 100 company. Plenty of reliable source content that could be added. Tule-hog should familiarise themselves with WP:BEFORE. Edwardx (talk) 10:50, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
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This needn’t be deleted - he is CEO of a prominent multinational company. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7C:746C:C300:F416:87C1:C67A:256 (talk) 14:32, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: AfD isn't cleanup but presenting a few of the sources may help round out this discussion. Hoping to resolve this with one more relist.
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- Martha Mbugua (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No satisfactory sources in the article, and a quick search didn't find any. Note: this was prompted by a request at the help desk on behalf of the subject. ColinFine (talk) 18:03, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Women, Law, and Kenya. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:49, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
- Also found this in the help desk, for me personally, I suggest keeping the article, my reason is because she co-founded (is that correct?) the biggest law firm in Kenya, and is one of the top 40 most popular women from Kenya.
Thanks, 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
01:49, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- User:TheNuggeteer, more important than your opinion on this subject is how you would counter the reasons offered in the deletion rationale. What sources support your claim of notability? Please be specific. Liz Read! Talk! 05:33, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, sources 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 are the sources which prompt me to give the "keep" reply. She does not seem notable outside the business, I'll give you that, but being one of the top 40 women from a country is enough for me.
🍗TheNuggeteer🍗
05:46, 1 August 2024 (UTC)- @TheNuggeteer, please read what Wikipedia means by notable. 2 and 6 do not mention her. 3 and 7 (which are the same source) has a potted biography, but is mostly quoting her. 5 gives me a 404, but judging by its title, I would be amazed if it had significant coverage of her. 8 and 9 give potted biographies, but are almost certainly not independent.
- Sources used to establish notability need to meet all three criteria in WP:42. ColinFine (talk) 15:38, 1 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, sources 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9 are the sources which prompt me to give the "keep" reply. She does not seem notable outside the business, I'll give you that, but being one of the top 40 women from a country is enough for me.
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- My comments only: Firstly, several of the sources are actually the same. Secondly, appearing in a list of “40 under 40” is not the same thing as “one of the 40 most popular women.” Finally, we need to decide whether being a partner in Dentons, by far the largest law firm in the World, creates a legal notability by itself. This discussion might have to go more than a few days. In the meantime, please ping me if you find additional sources. Bearian (talk) 08:50, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: We need more opinions here on closure options.
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- Delete. Non-notable at this time, agreeing with the reasons that the sources used in the article and an online search of the name do not show significant coverage in independent sources. Another thing she is a member, doesn't look like a partner at Denton's through its acquisition of Hamilton Harrison & Mathews Law Firm; additionally, notability is not inherited, as is the case with her and Dentons Law Firm. Prof.PMarini (talk) 11:55, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Final relist.
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