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Draft:List of Books About Women in History

Thanks for your speedy review of the draft page! Added disclaimer about incompleteness of list. Hermionefc (talk) 17:18, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

State Portal Metrics

Greetings, Robert McClenon. I flagged Wikipedia:US State Portal Metrics for inaccuracy because Portal: Minnesota had the wrong info, and someone else on the talk page had had a problem. I don't think there is any rush, but you might want to know. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:43, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Reviews

Sorry about this and this, I'd loaded a few up in advance and I'm not getting the popup warning for some reason. All the best, SITH (talk) 18:26, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

User:StraussInTheHouse - I am not sure what the issue was with Gyus324, because it is gone. With Kryton, I see that you tagged it for G12, presumably a copy of their own web site, and I tagged it for G11 as advertising, and it is waiting for deletion, and my guess is that both G11 and G12 do apply. I don't know what you are apologizing for. We are both reviewing the usual input of crud. I haven't been reviewing that much cruddy input recently because I have been reviewing cruddy portals. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:14, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Robert McClenon, I don't know really, just letting you know I'm not trying to contradict, I agree both could apply, it was a batch copyvio run. And the portal thing is still ongoing? I thought we'd just about got rid of the abandoned ones or ones created from a single template. Is there a cleanup tracking category you can point me to so I can resume helping out? Best, SITH (talk) 22:00, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Cleanup tracking categories, like tagging the portals with {{update}}, has no effect. What has an effect is tagging the portals for MFD, and they are still being nominated there, and normally deleted there. The portal advocates then say that problems with portals should be taken care of by tagging and normal editing, but there is evidence that tagging, whether with tags or with categories, doesn't get anyone to fix them. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:05, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

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MfD nomination of Wikipedia:US State Portal Metrics

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Victor Laredo

Hi Robert. Would you mind perusing through this newly created article and doing a quick assessment? It didn't go through AfC and was created by an SPA so there are always standard concerns (COISELF, PAID, BIO, etc.) when that happens, but this might be a case of NEXIST even though right now the article is only supported by PRIMARY/SELFPUB types of sources. There are some pretty obvious formatting errors (SECTIONCAPS, SURNAME, etc.) that I was going to cleanup, but not sure whether it might be best to DRAFTIFY this to give the creator more time to work on and then have them submit it to AfC for review when they're ready. For reference, I came across this while checking on WP:THQ#inserting a photo help -. -- Marchjuly (talk) 20:45, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

User:Jyolleck, User:Marchjuly - I have reviewed the article briefly. The problem, as the first reviewer has noted, is that it doesn't have any secondary sources, sources indicating what other people have written about Laredo's work. As Marchjuly says, we can do one of two things. I can move the article back to draft space, or you can leave it in article space. If you leave it in article space, you need to address the formatting issues, and to look for secondary sources. Also, do you have any conflict of interest, such as working for Laredo's estate? I will review it again, but this is my first pass. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:10, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

format problems and afc

I see your comments at Draft:Catherine Cobb and Draft:François Cappus about fixing format issues before the article could be accepted. The problems in these drafts seem opinion relatively minor, and can either be fixed by oneself at least as easily as explaining to a new user how to do it, or dealt with after the article is in mainspace, in the usual way for all articles--there are many wikignomes who really like that sort of work. Of course, it's a matter of degree and judgment--I too will sometimes decline a draft--or even draftify an article--if the errors are so great as to make the article unclear, or represent a really rough machine translation, or make it difficult to see just what the references are--in fact, I declined at least 3 for such reasons this very evening. This is just meant as a discussion, for what we say at AfC usually very closely agrees. DGG ( talk ) 09:41, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

User:DGG - Yes. First, I didn't decline those drafts. I commented on them. I thought that other editors could do just as good a job as I could of cleaning them up. I wasn't sure whether the Cappus draft, which is really more a list of his works than a BDP, was ready for acceptance, but its acceptance is all right. It is true that I sometimes simply comment on drafts rather than accepting them or declining them. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:58, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

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Feedback

Hi Robert, I saw that you rejected Draft: Shai Wininger because you felt the content was not neutral and merely promoted the subject. I would like to resubmit an improved version that addresses your feedback but I’m just not sure what parts of the page are not neutral. I was wondering if you could give me more info, like a couple examples of the parts that aren’t neutral. Thanks in advance, Deb — Preceding unsigned comment added by Debmoher (talk • contribs) 07:25, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

User:Debmoher - I don't generally provide a lot of assistance to paid editors. However, I will offer a few thoughts. First, as I said, your draft gives details about Wininger's personal life that are not related to whether and why he is notable. Second, your draft appears to be praising or advertising Fiverr and Lemonade. Third, when I read a draft that contains a lot of marketing buzzwords, I think that it is marketing. It is true that Wininger is an entrepreneur, and he may be an innovator or inventor, although usually an inventor is someone who invents things, not business concepts. However, when a draft says that someone is an entrepreneur and an inventor or innovator, that makes me think paid editing. Well, it is paid editing. You are the editor who is being paid to write neutral-sounding material without being neutral. It is your job to figure out how to do that, not mine. I suggest that you ask for advice at the Teahouse. Some of the editors there might be willing to help you. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:31, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Deletion of "3D-CMCC-CNR Biogeochemical Model" page

Dear Robert McClenon, I send you this message regarding the deletion of a page, 3D-CMCC-CNR model, written by me a few months ago. First of all, I would like to thank who, like you, makes several efforts to carry on an important project such as Wikipedia. As a user, I well know how Wikipedia is crucial for sharing and diffusing knowledge. The submission procedure of the "3D-CMCC-CNR Biogeochemical Model" page let me understood directly how many efforts this huge project implies. I just would submit to your attention some issues that I consider fundamental and that should be taken into account to evaluate the publication/deletion of "3D-CMCC-CNR Biogeochemical Model" page. One of the main motivations for the page deletion is based on the low number of citations on Google Scholar, undoubtedly an unavoidable source to evaluate scientific works. However, I think that further criteria should be taken into account for the evaluation. The 3D-CMCC-CNR model is one of the tools available in scientific research to forecast climate change effects on terrestrial ecosystems. Simulation models like 3D-CMCC-CNR allow to better understand the modifications of our planet due to climate change under present-day as even more on the long-term. Hence, the model is a fundamental mean between scientific research and society. The simulation of the forest carbon dynamics by the models allow to understand the role of the ecosystems in the climate change mitigation and to plan the best interventions to reduce as much as possible the climate change effects on our society. For this reason, an eventually Wikipedia page of the 3D-CMCC-CNR model would not be an end in itself but a relevant explanation of an important tool in the hands of the human being to understand (and forecast) the modification of the Earth due to one of the biggest issue ever in human history. Another important reason to consider is that the 3D-CMCC-CNR model takes part in several important projects of international level. The most important is The Inter-Sectoral Impact Model Intercomparison Project (ISIMIP) (https://www.isimip.org/). This project involves several simulation models to study and forecast the future effects of climate change on terrestrial ecosystems. It is important to highlight that the 3D-CMCC-CNR has increased its relevance starting from the first publication (2014), with almost 1 article published each year on relevant scientific journals, including Global Change Biology (IF: 8.997) (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/gcb.14857). Furthermore, the 3D-CMCC-CNR boasts the collaboration of distinguished scientists in forest modelling, such as Peter Thornton, Philippe Ciais, Ben Bond-Lamberty, Trevor Keenan, and Colin Prentice (https://doi.org/10.1093/treephys/tpz034, https://doi.org/10.1002/eap.1837, https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2018MS001275). For the reasons described above, please let me ask to revalue the decision about the publication of the 3D-CMCC-CNR page on Wikipedia or the possibility to resubmit the page. Thanks in advance to take into account my point of view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 3d-cmcc-cnr (talk • contribs) 19:39, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

User:3d-cmcc-cnr - Address your arguments to User:Ad Orientem or User:Randykitty. You may resubmit a version of the paper that is substantially different from the one that was previously deleted. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:59, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello 3d-cmcc-cnr. The page in question was deleted following a community discussion which determined that it did not meet our guidelines for inclusion in the encyclopedia. Those guidelines can be found at WP:GNG. As Robert McClenon noted above, the article can be recreated but would need to carefully address the concerns raised in the AfD discussion. Otherwise it would likely be subject to speedy re-deletion. Additionally, I am concerned that you may have a connection to the subject of the article which might constitute a conflict of interest. Please read WP:COI before attempting to recreate the article. Thank you for your contributions to the project. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:10, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

About my Battle for Dream Island draft.

My draft is about Battle for Dream Island, but the other submission is about the Battle for Dream Island series. Should my draft be more unique? --LittleAwesomeApple (talk) 16:49, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

User:LittleAwesomeApple - First, it would help for your draft to clarify the difference between the series, the season, and the episode. This is often a cause of confusion. Second, I have disambiguated the draft on the series, and have requested deletion of the redirect. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:37, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

User:Robert McClenon Ok. Thanks for helping. LittleAwesomeApple (talk) 20:57, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

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Reduce protection for Thiyya

Reduce protection for Thiyya so that the project can be initiated and built up by talks. Kalangot (talk) 07:47, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thiyya&redirect=no Kalangot (talk) 07:47, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

User:Kalangot - I do not know what I had to do with the redirect Thiyya. However, if you want it unprotected, you may request the reduction of its protection level to semi-protection at Requests for Unprotection. However, if you want to create a separate article Thiyya, the best approach would be to discuss it at Talk:Ezhava. Have you tried creating a draft at Draft:Thiyya? Robert McClenon (talk) 12:48, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

The Real Housewives of New York City RfC

Hi there, Robert McClenon! The RfC regarding sorting expired, and it did not generate a consensus. There are also points to be made about the RfC not being necessary in the first place due to there being a majority view on the original RfC and preceding discussion on the article's talk page. How should we proceed? I'm asking because AnAudLife recently reached out to another editor to respond to the RfC even though it's expired, so they're still holding on strong to their view as well. Thanks! KyleJoan^talk 04:02, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

User:KyleJoan - The RFC has expired, but it has not been formally closed. I haven't yet checked whether there is already a request at AN Requests for Closure for a formal closure, or whether one should be requested. If one hasn't yet been requested, you can request it, or you can ask me to request it, and I will request it. I will be looking at whether there has been a request for closure in maybe 12 or 18 hours. That is my advice for now, to wait for closure. If there is edit-warring or personal attacks, you may report them at the edit-warring noticeboard or WP:ANI, but I think it is better to wait for a formal closure. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:55, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Ah, I understand. I'm not all that familiar with the process, so may I ask that you request for closure? Thank you again! KyleJoan^talk 04:59, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

I have read the votes and even some of the ones who voted “C” are in agreement with sorting her name with “Lesseps” not the “de”. And people are still voting as of just a few days ago. Should we extend to allow for more input? What’s the rush to close when people are still contributing? AnAudLife (talk) 05:42, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

User:KyleJoan - I have checked AN Requests for Closure, and our RFC is not yet listed. Do you want closure requested, or do you want to take the suggestion of User:AnAudLife and wait a while? If we do request closure, there is no guarantee as to when we will get it. We might get closure in 2 days, and we might have to wait more than a month for a closer. If either of you request that I request closure, I will request closure. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:53, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Does closure give a decisive conclusion regarding sorting? If not, is reopening the RfC as AnAudLife suggested an option? I'm afraid if we leave it as it is then the discussion would get archived and the dispute is once again left unresolved. KyleJoan^talk 07:36, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

I do NOT request closure, I would like to give it more time. AnAudLife (talk) 14:49, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Sorting of Names Issue (again)

I am not familiar with the concept of re-opening an RFC, but that could be done by inserting a new {{RFC}} template at the top of the RFC, which would open it for another thirty days, and would start a new cycle of robotically requesting editors to visit it. I don't know of a way to re-open it for less than 30 days. An alternative is to leave it alone, if editors are continuing to express their opinions. My guess is that a close will result in No Consensus between A and B, but might result in the closer teasing out some lesser conclusion. I can request closure, in which case it will be closed in some time between tomorrow and maybe two months, or I can do nothing, in which case it may be closed sometime. If closure is not requested and discussion stops for a period of time (and I haven't checked the period of time), a bot will archive it, in which case it will be a retired RFC that never did anything. If there isn't presently a clear consensus, there isn't likely to be a clear consensus. Just leaving it open in the hope that consensus develops seems futile. I will leave it alone for now. That doesn't mean I will leave it alone on Sunday. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:40, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

It seems that AnAudLife and I are in agreement on this one. Just so we can put the dispute to bed, I restarted the RfC per WP:RFC#Restarting an RfC. Thank you again for all your help! KyleJoan^talk 16:22, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

User:KyleJoan - I know what you and User:AnAudLife meant to do. You didn't quite do it. You put in your timestamped signature where the RFC tag had been, but you didn't put the RFC tag back in. I have put the RFC tag back in for you. It will now run for thirty more days before the bot pulls it again. We definitely want to request closure after the bot recloses it again. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:23, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

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Sally Helgesen

Hello Robert, I have replied to your comment on my draft page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sally_Helgesen. I would like to know how long it will take for the review. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajobryan (talk • contribs) 21:10, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Your draft article, User:Riffsister/sandbox

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Steve Huffman edit war

Stop quarreling on my talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:20, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Can you please revisit the talk and history page of that page? Going back to July 2017 you can see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Auror_Andrachome and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Digbybare beginning this edit war. Looking at the history and changes on that page it is clear The talk has been beaten to death since the incident. This was a major controversy, involving just Huffman. The page has his "Net Neutrality position" as a seperate section and a major controversy specific to him as an individual buried under a few lines of text. I kept the text and citations but could add another 20+ articles to help source it if that helps? All I am seeing is a few individuals getting angry as hell I tried to seperate a major controversy into its own heading. Wikipedia's guidelines say that explicitly. What am I not seeing here? CRIT "Controversy" section. "For a specific controversy that is broadly covered in reliable sources. " This is a specific controversy covered in reliable sources. A simple google search returns hundreds of outlets covering this. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/11/reddit-chief-admits-to-editing-comments-that-were-critical-of-him/ https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-44779237 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/11/26/reddits-ceo-regrets-trolling-trump-supporters-by-secretly-editing-their-posts/ https://www.businessinsider.com/reddit-ceo-steve-huffman-modifies-donald-trump-the-donald-2016-11 https://mashable.com/2016/11/24/reddit-ceo-steve-huffman-pizzagate-trolls/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/reddit-ceo-steve-huffman-apologizes-for-manipulating-trump-supporters-posts/ https://www.ibtimes.com/who-steve-huffman-reddit-ceo-sparks-controversy-editing-comments-critical-him-2450793 CRIT The topic of the controversy is best named in the section title If you look at the edit opencooper reverted, I did just that. I made the topic of the controversy (‎Controversy over political comment manipulation) the name of the section title. This isn't a reddit specific incident because Huffman was operating outside of his normal duties at Reddit when engaging in this behavior. This isn't UNDUE, this isn't CRIT being used inappropriately. There has been talk for years about this specific controversy, and edit wars for years. Its doubly frustrating that this is the exact type of PR for the incident of controversy in question ::facepalm:: A major controversy specific to one individual is in line with a separate heading. Everything else involving this entire process is little more than burying me with BS paperwork in the hopes that the edits will never stay. Lets get some integrity here and give a major controversy a separate heading like we do for other individuals. Siihb (talk) 23:19, 25 October 2019 (UTC) To save you some searching RM see the threads Talk:Steve Huffman#This is the new censorship I guess and User talk:Ponyo#Controversies on user biographies. Regards. MarnetteD|Talk 00:30, 26 October 2019 (UTC) Here is another one User talk:16912 Rhiannon#Did you or Beutler Ink want to comment on what work you did on for the Steve Huffman page?. MarnetteD|Talk 00:34, 26 October 2019 (UTC) What do my user comments and talk about the article have to do with the fact that Wikipedia rules which I quoted indicate that should be its own section. Stop trying to muddy the waters. This issue has to do with a major controversy involving one person NOT being a separate heading for that user's wikipedia page. Siihb (talk) 01:38, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Vandalism here. Edit war

Edit-warring has been reported at ANEW. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:11, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Ahuwwhh (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) User is here to disrupt the article only, not to contribute.Repeatedly disrupting the original work Sambandam Kalangot (talk) 01:27, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

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I find your behavior towards me specifically hugely hypocritical

I reached out to you for DRN that I will admit probably should have been better put together. You closed it which was totally reasonable. I then went to here to your talk page, and asked you to revisit the issue again because of the listed reasons. Other users then began to attack me personally, at which point I asked them to stop muddying the waters and focus on the issue. You closed that with a big red box and stated DO NOT MODIFY. I respected your request and moved on. I then noticed your comment specific to me ON THE HUFFMAN PAGE. "User:Siihb - I usually pay very little attention to an editor who always erases messages from their own talk page while leaving a lot of messages on other editors' talk pages and on article talk pages. It usually indicates an editor with an open mouth and closed ears."

However it is perfectly allowable behavior to trim a talk page of comments. So you are holding perfectly allowable behavior against me, and using that as a premise to insult me on a page that is in no way related to me.

Thats a fine example you have set for me asking for help with a formatting issue. Which I might add, was not first brought up by me, and is as of this date, unaddressed except by individuals with affiliations to the paid content editors I referenced in my DRN. I'd appreciate it if you just commented on the merits of the issue and left your personal comments on me or how I use wikipedia to my talk page so I can remove them and not ruin others times with petty personal issues. Have a great day. Siihb (talk) 05:10, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Steven Universe : The Movie

Can you write this on the release category ?

The film was released on October 27, 2019 on Cartoon Network France. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 102.99.38.103 (talk) 16:54, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Lab preparation of nitrogen (October 28)

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Draft:Adani Transmission

Hi,

My Wikipedia draft of Adani Transmission was declined by you. The reason stated, "The proposed article does not have sufficient content to require an article of its own." It is one of the largest transmission companies in India and has numerable articles covered by Indian news houses. Further, many other subsidiary companies of Adani Group are live as well. Why does it not meet the Wikipedia notability criteria? Can you suggest any changes I can make? Pushpullshove (talk) 07:01, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

User:Pushpullshove - First, do you have any affiliation with Adani Group that is a conflict of interest? Second, have you discussed creating an article on Adani Transmission on the talk page of the parent article, Talk: Adani Group? Third, have you asked for advice at the Teahouse? Robert McClenon (talk) 13:12, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

User:Robert McClenon - I dot not have any affiliation with the organization. Also, I will surely discuss this on the Talk: Adani Group and ask for advice at the the Teahouse. Pushpullshove (talk) 06:24, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

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New Page Review newsletter November 2019

Hello Robert McClenon,

This newsletter comes a little earlier than usual because the backlog is rising again and the holidays are coming very soon.

Getting the queue to 0

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format issue, follow up.

• Draft:Nelson M. Oyesiku Yes, heading format needs fixing, but the refs are good enough as they stand--there is no requirement they be in any particular form. . I would normally make the changes myself to the headings and accept, but I have decided this time to accept it as it stands. If none of the wiki-gnomes get around to it, I will fix it later. DGG ( talk ) 05:39, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

TED Interview Reply

I have added the main details and additional external references in a subsection of the main article TED (conference). --Baekemm (talk) 22:34, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Bundling MFDs

Recently you boldly bundled two ongoing MFDs together at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Basketball. While I'm certain that your intentions were to be helpful, my opinion is that this bundling made it far more difficult to gauge the consensus of the discussion, and ended up being more disruptive than anything else. Since the bundling was done a full 2 days after the start of the Portal:Basketball MFD, it resulted in a lot of seemingly duplicate votes that needed to be manually untangled to understand what happened. My advice: if pages are going to be bundled together in an MFD, they should be bundled together from the start of the discussion. Merging two ongoing discussions together is a recipe for disaster, and, under other circumstances, could have resulted in a procedural No Consensus closure. ‑Scottywong| [gossip] || 17:36, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

User:Scottywong - I have reviewed those one-and-one-half MFDs, and have come to the conclusion that my consolidation of them was an unsuccessful experiment. If I had known whether it would have improved the discussion, it wouldn't have been an experiment. Wikipedia guidelines say to be bold and to use common sense, and in this case, common sense includes learning what didn't work. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:13, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Fair enough, thanks for understanding. ‑Scottywong| [confabulate] || 18:18, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Ute Lotz-Heumann

Hello. I noticed on the "Ute Lotz-Heumann" talk page you noted that she passed WP:PROF [1]. Given that she passes WP:PROF, I am thinking that tags on the top of the article page are not necessary [2]. I am also inviting Theroadislong to this discussion because they tagged it with {{Primary sources}} - [3]. I'm making the same argument, that since the subject passes WP:PROF there is no need for this tag. I am glad to add a reference to the subject's Google Scholar page as evidence if you think this will be helpful. Anyway, I am wondering what your opinions are on this matter. Thanks. Steve Quinn (talk) 06:35, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

I added the Google Scholar reference. I also added a JSTOR reference. Cheers.---Steve Quinn (talk) 07:33, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

User:Steve Quinn - I am not entirely sure that I understand what your argument or concern is. I accepted the draft but tagged it because I thought that it satisfies the notability guideline but that its sources could be improved. Would you have preferred that I decline it because the sources could be improved? Are you implying that we make a binary distinction between perfect articles that do not need improvement and drafts that should be declined? I think that I don't understand. Robert McClenon (talk) 08:47, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Robert, thanks for your response. I am not saying the article should have been declined at AFC because the sources could be improved. I am not implying a binary distinction or any other kind of distinction. To explain further - Along with deeming the article notable because the subject passes WP:PROF, I noticed that a BLP tag, a Primary source tag and a Section tag (create sections) has been placed on the article. There is nothing wrong with doing this.

I suppose it can be seen as using editorial judgement. So, what I was trying to say about the BLP tag and the Primary source tag is, I think it would be OK to remove both tags because the subject passes WP:PROF. But I wouldn't remove those tags unless you agree. As you may or may not know, a university researcher-scientist-teacher may not be likely to receive mainstream press, but still have an impact in her field, as shown by her body of research.

This means the subject can have a notable biography on Wikipedia because you and I have established the person passes WP:PROF. These circumstances may supercede the need to place a BLP and a Primary sources tag on the article. In other words, if we here agree this biography merits inclusion on Wikipedia, then maybe this renders the need for a BLP tag and a Primary source tag moot. So, I am wondering if you agree that it is OK to remove the BLP tag and the Primary sources tag. Hopefully, this clarifies what I meant. If it still seems confusing then simply let me know. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 05:29, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

User:Steve Quinn - I think that you and I have different interpretations of the BLP and Primary Source tags. I think that you are saying that they can be removed because we do not have a question about notability. I am saying that they should be kept on because, although the subject is notable, the article still needs improvement. I did not apply a Notability tag. I think that the tags mean that, although the article should not be deleted, it should still be improved. Maybe we can discuss this further with other editors at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:47, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Robert, yes I agree that we seem to have different interpretations for the BLP and Primary Source tags, just as you described it. My view is motivated by having observed, the subject of this biography does not have coverage in the mainstream press at this time. Also, she is not likely to have coverage in the mainstream press in the near future. So, having BLP and Primary Source tags seems to me to be extraneous at this time. Perhaps as a metaphor, the tags are decorations on this biography article that don't seem to be needed right now (imho).

This seems to mean that any editor who tries to find secondary sources bumps up against a barrier that perhaps cannot be passed. The only caveat are University of Arizona press releases here, but even in these there is only passing mentions of the subject. Anyway, maybe we can open for a wider discussion at the Tea House. As an aside, User:Theroadislong has removed the Primary Source tag, which they affixed to the article in the first place, so I don't have a problem with its removal. Regards, ---Steve Quinn (talk) 18:01, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

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• Is it just me, or does it seem like the above editor is thanking every editor who has even a civil disagreement with me, regardless of whether he himself had any involvement therein? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 02:44, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

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First and second fundamental theorems of invariant theory

Sorry, but I just don’t understand the issue. I have a book with me right now. I can see the proofs to the theorems (not exactly short). They might be added in the future but there is no need for the tag for that. Many theorem article does not give a proof. We generally don’t tag articles for not giving proofs. —- Taku (talk) 07:41, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the edits. I think now I understand the issue. I explained the situation in the edit summary. If still not clear, let me know; I will try to do something further. —- Taku (talk) 07:52, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

User:TakuyaMurata - Readers don't read the article history and the edit summaries. Edit summaries are for the information of other editors. Readers look for verification to the notes. I wouldn't be able to understand the proofs, having forgotten a lot of higher math when I was studying chemistry, but I know to look in the notes. It is now taken care of, in my view. Robert McClenon (talk) 08:05, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

When will it end

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Call-out culture meditation

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	thank you so much I will work on it again until it meets your expertise Submission declined on 31 October 2019 by Robert McClenon Grose27 (talk) 09:31, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Fellowship of Friends article

Hello, Robert. You were involved in the creation of the Fellowship of Friends article back in May and you're also listed as a volunteer on WP:DR/N, so I was wondering if you could could help with a situation that is happening with that article. Yesterday somebody editing from the IP address 38.80.239.148 removed the picture, blanked entire sections and deleted the references without leaving any comments on the talk page. The IP that was used for the edits (38.80.239.148) is located in the same area of the headquarters of the organization (Oregon House, CA, USA) so I suspect that it is an effort of the organization to "sanitize" the article in order to attract new members (only negative information and criticism was removed). This happened in the past, by the way. I reverted the deletions but the person undid my edits twice. Since this may be leading to an edit war, I am asking if you could help dealing with the situation. If you can't, please indicate who I should ask. Thank you in advance for your attention. --UltraEdit (talk) 08:25, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

User:UltraEdit - I see that neither you nor the unregistered editor have tried to discuss on the article talk page. My advice would be to restore your edits one more time and explain on the article talk page what you are doing and why, and request that the other editor discuss. That is the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle. If the other editor doesn't discuss, my advice then has two parts. First, be careful not to approach 3 reverts in 24 hours and not even get close. Second, if the other editor does not discuss, go to Requests for Page Protection and request semi-protection for a limited period such as one week. That is my advice. Robert McClenon (talk) 08:38, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Will do, thank you for your help. --UltraEdit (talk) 08:43, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

I left a message on the Talk page yesterday and today on the talk page of the person editing from IP address 38.80.239.148 but he/she continues to remove content without any dialogue. At that point I requested Page Protection as you told me and the page is now protected. The version that is now protected is the one after the last edit of the person removing content from an IP address, not the one that was stable since May this year. I can't revert his/her edits because I did it twice in the last 24 hours and I don't want to break the 3RR. What's the process to restore the original version before the IP vandalism occurred? Thanks again for your help. --UltraEdit (talk) 07:46, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

You've made the appropriate request. Just wait and see. Sometimes in a case like this the page is semi-protected rather than fully protected. At this point, just wait for an administrator to respond to your edit request, or for the page to come out of full protection. If the page comes out of full protection and the IP again stubs the page, if all else fails, you can always use a Request for Comments, but that is a heavyweight process that takes 30 days, so my advice is, next time, very specifically ask for semi-protection in your protection request. Robert McClenon (talk) 08:21, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Sounds good, thank you. --UltraEdit (talk) 08:56, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

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Portal guideline workshop

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Draft:DPP v Peter Cullen

Hello Robert McClenon, this editor is contributing as part of a class project that I am coordinating (as indicated on their user page). It is not intended as an AfC submission and I would prefer that it stay in the student's sandbox until it is ready to be assessed as part of the course. Is there a way to undo your move? Thanks. AugusteBlanqui (talk) 22:02, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

User:AugusteBlanqui, User:Lawstudent1999 - I have moved the draft back to User:Lawstudent1999/sandbox2. The page had been tagged for AFC review, and when a page is tagged for AFC review, it is normally moved into draft space by the reviewer. In this case, it appears that it wasn't ready for review.

When the work on it is finished, and when it is split into two drafts, they probably should be accepted as articles if, as I understand, they are cases that were decided by a national supreme court. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:42, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

User:AugusteBlanqui, User:Lawstudent1999 - I have removed the AFC submission line that says that it should not be removed. It should not be removed while a draft is in the review process, but this draft got into the review process by mistake. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:57, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Robert! I am not sure why it was tagged for AFC—I will check that out. I made the sandbox so I may have mistakenly included it. AugusteBlanqui (talk) 23:05, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

User:AugusteBlanqui - You didn't accidentally submit it. Looking at the history, I can see that User:Lawstudent1999 submitted it by pushing on a blue button. This may have been a mouse-click error, or they may not have understood what the blue button did. As long it doesn't do the equivalent of blowing up the world, such as erasing all of your user files, or displaying profanity at the WP:Village pump, or whatever, no harm, no foul. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:40, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:K-pop

Hi, just wanted to let you know I corrected the syntax on the MfD (it was a pesky | in an external link that caused the template not to work properly). It should be fine now. --Ìch heiss Nat ùn ìch redd e wenig Elsässisch!^{Talk to me in EN, FR, PL, GSW-FR(ALS).} 06:36, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

User:Nat - Thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:45, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Elizabeth Rowe (flutist)

Hallo Robert, I'm a bit baffled by what happened to this draft. You rejected it at AfC ("does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, ...") and told the editor that it needed "review by a neutral editor", but surely that's what AfC represents. Comparing the version you commented on with the current version, there's nothing of substance which other editors have considered to be puffery or self-promotion - the changes are very minor and a little light copy-editing. The editor had declared her CoI. How else should she have proceeded? I thought about asking this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red#Draft:Elizabeth Rowe (flutist) where the article has been discussed, but decided to come here to ask you in person. PamD 10:40, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

User:PamD - I will try to respond to your points, although it appears that you may not be interested in my reply and are only interested in telling me that I was wrong. First, I did not reject the draft. I declined it. There is a difference. Second, it is true that I did not give the article a detailed review. I gave it an initial review, and decided that it needed to be reviewed in more detail, with particular attention to the fact that it was an autobiography, and Wikipedia strongly discouraged the submission of autobiographies. This appears to have been one of the exceptions where an autobiography was in reasonable shape. I have seen maybe 3 good autobiographies, and maybe a few thousand bad autobiographies, and I wanted to leave it to someone who was in a more patient mood than I was in a few days ago. How the editor should have proceeded was either as she did, but, even better, by asking someone at the WP:WikiProject Women in Red to write it for her. Third, I am aware that sometimes a project or an edit-a-thon have editors thinking that they, and not AFC, will be making the decisions on what to accept. I don't know if the WMF has in fact said that a WikiProject or an edit-a-thon should override usual policy, and so I simply follow the usual procedures. I know that this probably won't make any difference, and that you already have decided that I was wrong. (If you don't mean to be politely telling me that I was wrong, then maybe either your tone is harsh, or I am still not in a very good mood.) Robert McClenon (talk) 17:01, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Please AGF. I said I was baffled, not that you were wrong. I don't understand the whole AfC process in detail, hence not distinguishing "decline" from "reject", though they probably feel the same to a first-time contributor. I think perhaps there's a problem that a default comment with words like "not written in encyclopedic language" sometimes gets applied when it's not what the reviewer really means - I think I've come across this before. The instruction/suggestion that the article needed a neutral reviewer also seemed weird: what else were you, there at AfC? (OK you were a tired/impatient reviewer: it might have been kinder to newbie editors to stop reviewing sooner, or to pass over, unreviewed, anything not obviously bad and leave it for another reviewer?)

I appreciate that AfC reviewers face a deluge of promotional and/or incompetent rubbish, and I AGF'd that you had actually found something you thought was the matter with this article, but I couldn't see what. I hope that despite this wobble en route to mainspace Elizabeth Rowe will decide to contribute more to the encyclopedia now that she's had a successful go at editing. (If I was "only interested in telling you you were wrong" I'd probably have done so on the WiR talkpage where the article was being discussed, and possibly triggered a chorus of criticism: I chose to ask a question here instead.) PamD 19:46, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

User:PamD - Please do not use Assume Good Faith as a cudgel to beat me up with further. Let me try to explain my defensiveness, and also to explain a little more. Yes, I do feel that you are now using AGF as a cudgel. (I know that you don't intend to be doing that.) It is very common in Wikipedia for one group of volunteer editors to dump on another group of volunteer editors. It isn't pleasant, and it isn't pretty, but it may be that there is no easy way to avoid it with ordinary human editors. In particular, the AFC reviewers get dumped on frequently, in various ways, especially for not being sufficiently welcoming to new editors. Also, a specific reason why I didn't give the Rowe draft a long neutral review is that I strongly support the Wikipedia autobiography policy, and was not sure that I would be able to give an autobiography a neutral review. So try to consider that I did the best I could, and please don't beat me up with the AGF cudgel of saying that I didn't do enough AGF. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:44, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Pakistan-related WikiProjects

Hello Robert! Can I ask why did you mention me on Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Pakistan-related WikiProjects? --Captain Assassin! ^{«T ♦ C ♦ G»} 12:04, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

User:Captain Assassin! You are listed as a member of Wikipedia:WikiProject Pakistani roads, and you have received a courtesy notice. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:48, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Water Wall Turbine

Hello, As my first contribution to Wikipedia, I've made an attempt to resolve the remaining comments on the draft for the Draft:Water_Wall_Turbine page. Given that you were the last person to review it, would you mind taking another look? If you still feel that some tonal (or other) issues remain, I'd appreciate some further direction regaring which parts of the page they occur in. Thanks so much for your time! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ImberAlacritas (talk • contribs) 22:46, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

User:ImberAlacritas - I have taken another look at it, and it still looks to me as though it has promotional aspects, but I think that you would be better off to ask for the advice of other experienced editors at the Teahouse. Also, I see that you haven't yet answered my question about conflict of interest. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:49, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

User:Robert McClenon - Thanks for taking a look at the changes and the hint for where to get further feedback. I'm not the original contributor, but I do not have a COI. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ImberAlacritas (talk • contribs) 06:13, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

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Hello Robert McClenon thanks for the answer and the instructions on how to create the good article. These days I just read through wikipedia about the rules and terms and then I tried to edit the article according to the rules required. You can find the edited article here.Thank you --Arjanhalili (talk) 17:14, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: World Of Pain --- Notes reviewed..

Greetings Robert McClenon! I've looked over your notes regarding the submission requirement(s) and hope with the information below I have fulfilled your request. There haven't been any issues approving Wiki pages for the other bands on the same record label, so not quite sure why this one is being held up, as many of the references are the same. Thank you for your assistance.

Meets the first criteria requirement of Notability (music), as this artist has been the subject of discussion per multiple reliable sources (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(music)). These references include and are not limited to 'The Ithaca Times' (newspaper serving the Ithaca, New York; [1]), 'AWAY FROM LIFE' (print and digital magazine serving Europe; [5]), 'Janky Smooth' (print and digitral magazine servering Los Angeles; [6]) and others. It is important to note that many of the same references used on this page were also used and approved on Wiki pages of bands who are or have been labelmates of World Of Pain (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionheart_(hardcore_punk_band) and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xibalba_(band); lambgoat, pitchfork, Idioteq, etc).

In addition, this article meets the fifth criteria requirement of Notability (music), as World Of Pain has released 'two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels.' Beatdown Hardwear is a VERY notable record label in Germany, which has produced/established bands such as Lionheart (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionheart_(hardcore_punk_band)) who is currently ranked in the top 10 on the German metal charts (https://www.wdjc.de/mrc/index.php?LG=de&ID=1) and NASTY (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasty_(Band)) who is regularly on the biggest metal/hardcore festivals in Europe (see: EMP Persistance, Impericon, Wacken Open Air, etc).

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hello, Robert McClenon

Thank you for creating SOCPURP.

User:Rosguill, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

Is there a reason you've created this redirect from mainspace, as opposed to having it at WP:SOCPURP?

To reply, leave a comment here and prepend it with {{Re|Rosguill}}. And, don't forget to sign your reply with ~~~~ .

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_signed, Rosguill ^talk 20:00, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

User:Rosguill - No. I've moved it to project space. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:26, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

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Please comment on Talk:Mobile Launcher Platform

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Holding reply

Hi. thanks for bringing that to my attention. I have no memory of doing this at all, so it is either a complete mistake on my part or conceivably someone has gained access to my ID. I was away from home that day, but I did log on for a while so I will have to check through everything I did and see if there were any other actions I don't recognise. Deb (talk) 18:26, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Update - Well, I've had another look and I can't understand this at all. I'm wondering whether, because I was using an unfamiliar keyboard, I clicked on something I didn't intend to. There doesn't seem to be enough time between my edits for someone else to have come into the room and done it when I wasn't looking. What do you think I should do to correct the error? Deb (talk) 18:34, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

User:Deb - Well, since the user who wrote the comment that disappeared seems to think that it may have been deleted because it was too harsh or divisive, and it was sarcastic, but, as I thought, not sarcastic enough to warrant removal, I suggest just leaving it gone. It was in the section for back-and-forth discussion, which I provide just so that the editors can say snarky things that will be ignored, and it is being ignored by being in the bit bucket. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:09, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. It seems pointless to stir things up after a couple of days have passed and things have moved on. Deb (talk) 19:15, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Bitcoin Cash

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'My' draft

Please let me clarify. I know you just declined "my" draft. The thing was, I just came upon the category "Pending AfC submissions being reviewed now" and saw this draft in someone else's sandbox. I checked the edit history and found out that the "reviewing" template was not posted by an AfC reviewer but that user himself. I realized that the user must have meant to put the "Waiting for review" template instead. So, not aware that a draft called Draft:Li Zhaoping already existed, I changed it and, simultaneously made several minor changes to help the draft. By the way, I wasn't even the one who submitted the original draft. So can you please transfer the message at my talk page to the user in question, User:Davidypan and tell him about it? Thanks for your understanding. 數神, the Lord of Math (Prove me wrong; My contributions to the world in numbers) 09:30, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

數神 - User:Davidypan has already been notified in their talk page that I have left comments. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:18, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Request on 19:57:39, 8 December 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Dubyavee

• Dubyavee (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Confederate government in West Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Dubyavee (talk) 19:57, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Hello, I am surprised at the review you gave to my draft. The article addresses issues that are not covered in any other article. It is too large a subject to fit into the History of West Virginia or West Virginia in the Civil War. There are already TWO articles on the Union government in West Virginia, The Wheeling Conventions, and The Restored Government of West Virginia. There are TWO separate articles on Kentucky and Missouri Confederate governments. I submitted my article to Scott A. MacKenzie, who has written articles for West Virginia History journal and Ohio Valley History, and he approved of what I had written and suggested only two minor additions. I would request that another reviewer take a look at my article and someone more familiar with the subject matter. Dubyavee (talk) 19:57, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

User:Dubyavee - Perhaps the way that my review was provided seemed more negative than I intended. I did not intend to be rejecting your draft, but only advising you to discuss at Talk:History of West Virginia before resubmitting. So discuss at Talk:History of West Virginia. If there is rough consensus there that a separate article is in order, either I or another reviewer will accept it. (I realize that the wording of the review appears negative.) Robert McClenon (talk) 21:00, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of B D Kavi

Hello Robert McClenon,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged B D Kavi for deletion, because it seems to be promotional, rather than an encyclopedia article.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks!

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Bensci54 (talk) 18:00, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

User:Bensci54 - Twinkle strikes again. It wasn't my draft. I didn't even move that draft from the sandbox to draft space, but had moved a different draft from the sandbox into draft space. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:35, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Editor using my real life disorder to punish me

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Hi, I need your attention.

An editor is trying to harass me by imposing "no-edits" restrictions to prohibit me from any edits/typo fixes to my comments. This is an insult to my personality and I can't cope with! I took this insult very personally and I don't know what to do. I always respected other people's disabilities and disorders, and I never expected that someone in Wikipedia is so heartless as to use mine to punish me for not liking me. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ ^{(talk ✉ | contribs ✎)} 15:13, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Aegean_dispute&type=revision&diff=930145565&oldid=930143388&diffmode=source

User:SilentResident - Is this a dispute with an administrator? I don't normally want to get drawn into a dispute between an administrator and a non-administrator. However, if I understand what the issue is, which is that you are copy-editing your own posts after posting them, my advice is to compose your posts in Word or Notepad or WordPerfect or whatever, that is, off-wiki, until they no longer need copy-editing, and then post them to their intended target page. Is that the issue, or have I misunderstood what the issue is? I will look into it further, but what I can see is that it appears that you are posting first and copy-editing afterward and annoying another editor. I don't think that they have any real business being annoyed, but we can deal with the source of their annoyance. Or is it something else? Robert McClenon (talk) 16:54, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

sorry

Didn't mean to make you feel dumped on! --valereee (talk) 22:21, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

User:Valereee - It is very much the Wikipedia way to pick some other group of Wikipedia volunteers to whom one does not belong and dump on them as not doing a perfect job. That doesn't make it desirable, but it is very much the Wikipedia way. For instance, the backlog of Articles for Creation is several months long, and some editors dump on the AFC reviewers for not doing enough. Oh well. Thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:59, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Oh, I know. It's the same working on the Main page. :D I don't think you don't do enough. I think you work very hard, and your work is recognized and appreciated by many people, even if they don't tell you so often enough. I seldom comment at ANI because I seldom think my input would add anything, but I do see what goes on there and do know that you regulars are working hard in a generally thankless area. Thank you for doing that. --valereee (talk) 12:38, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes, the Main Page is a lot of work by multiple volunteers. Some editors only noticed it when a dispute about some of the parts of the Main Page wound up going to ArbCom, but the real problem was, as is too often the case, simply that two editors did not like each other. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:52, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Unicode

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Request on 08:29:29, 12 December 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by MatWr

• MatWr (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Waukauyengtipu (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello, Thank you for your review. I am writing this comment as unfortunately I cannot agree with your point of view. Having been actively involved in the research of the Guyana/Venezuela region for some years myself, I prepared a separate article about Waukauyengtipu in order to clear up the nomenclatural inaccuracies being spread in available sources, basing my information on tangible results of exploration on site. Truth is that information about Mount Venamo is vague and mostly based on very old, fragmented pieces of information coming in most part from an old expedition made there by J.A. Steyermark in 1960s. The sources provide much better information about Waukauyengtipu rather than Mount Venamo, thanks to D. Clarke's Waukauyengtipu botanical expedition from 1997 - so there is no point in providing information about Waukauyengtipu in a Mount Venamo article. The claim that both mountains are the same thing was put in the Mount Venamo article without having any basis in professional sources has since led to strong confusion, even within the scientific community - having a separate article about Waukauyengtipu will help stop spreading misinformation about the geography of the region.

Another reason why I am so strongly convinced about my case is that I personally led an expedition to Waukauyengtipu mountain in January 2018, confirming my claims regarding the nomenclature with local Indigenous communities and supplementing to the observations made by the 1997 Smithsonian expedition.

I hope you will reconsider your decision. I will be happy to provide any more information should there be a need to do so.

Yours sincerely, Mateusz Wrazidlo

MatWr (talk) 08:29, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

User:MatWr - I will respond on your talk page within 24 hours. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:44, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Jose V. Lopez

You indicated that this subject meets WP:NPROF. What evidence did you find? ~Kvng (talk) 17:51, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

User:Kvng - In looking at the draft again, I probably thought at the time that the subject had received a prestigious award, Criterion 2. In taking a third review of the draft, I don't think so. It appears that the draft is something relatively uncommon, which is a long well-written draft about a professor that nonetheless does not establish academic notability. I also don't see a basis for general notability; I don't like the general notability rules, because reasonable editors can disagree and usually do disagree about general notability. However, that isn't the issue. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:05, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Do you want to strike your comment on the draft? 05:17, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

User:Kvng - If you think that it needs to be struck, you can strike it. I would prefer simply to have you state that you disagree, or something. I do not really want to over-worry about every draft that I have reviewed in the past month or two months and make sure that I have never left evidence of mistakes. Maybe some reviewers are perfect. I try to do the best that I can, and I am willing to leave that one as it is. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:42, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Seeing your comment, I was going to accpet the draft since sourcing has been improved since you rejected it. But I couldn't see that WP:NPROF was met in a quick check. I will strike your comment. ~Kvng (talk) 18:56, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

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Request on 16:00:38, 13 December 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Jack Zagorski

• Jack Zagorski (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Mana (meal replacement) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Robert, thank you for your prompt feedback regarding the following draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jack_Zagorski/Mana_(food). First of all, sorry for submitting multiple copies of drafts. I thought that by submitting the second I was overwriting the first. Second of all, I just wanted to clarify the following comment about notable references: "[article rejected because references] do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject."

I believe that the sources I cited meet these criteria. They are reliable, secondary sources that are independent of Heaven Labs s.r.o., which focus exclusively on our company/products and which are not just passing mentions. However, I also understand that I am a new Wikipedia user and that I have a conflict of interest. So, my overall understanding of your feedback is that the references themselves are not inappropriate, but that we simply need more references, ideally from bigger names. Is that correct? Thanks in advance for the clarification/advice.

Jack Zagorski (talk) 16:00, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

User:Jack Zagorski - I do not normally follow a draft through the approval process, and not every draft ever gets approved. I do not normally work with editors who have conflict of interest, although I am glad to see that you have declared your conflict of interest. I suggest that you ask for advice at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:21, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Robert McClenon Thank you for the information. Will take my question there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jack Zagorski (talk • contribs) 08:55, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Articles for creation: Phil Haus

User:Robert McClenon Thank you for your swift review. Does the standard Wikipedia have different notability criteria than Simple English version? I wanted to move an established article from SE https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Haus. --Ubiquitouslarry (talk) 18:28, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

User:Ubiquitouslarry - I don't know anything about the Simple English Wikipedia, but the notability criteria of any two different versions of Wikipedia are different, and in general the English Wikipedia has relatively strict notability rules, in spite of or because of having more articles than any other Wikipedia. I would suggest that you might be able to get answers about the Simple English Wikipedia at the Teahouse, although it is an English Wikipedia information forum. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:12, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Aarthi Ganesh concern

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Cheers

Damon Runyon's short story "Dancing Dan's Christmas" is a fun read if you have the time. Right from the start it extols the virtues of the hot Tom and Jerry This hot Tom and Jerry is an old-time drink that is once used by one and all in this country to celebrate Christmas with, and in fact it is once so popular that many people think Christmas is invented only to furnish an excuse for hot Tom and Jerry, although of course this is by no means true. No matter what concoction is your favorite to imbibe during this festive season I would like to toast you with it and to thank you for all your work here at the 'pedia this past year. Best wishes for your 2020 as well RM. MarnetteD|Talk 03:34, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Request on 19:39:42, 18 December 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Carlden10

• Carlden10 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Radmila Lolly (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Robert, I'm not clear how my Radmila Lolly article doesn't qualify for suitable mentions. She has proven to be associated with celebrities, covered in international magazines, performed at renown venues, and is verified on Instagram. Can you review again and provide specific suggestions? Thank you. 

Carlden10 (talk) 19:39, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

User:Carlden10 - There was a deletion discussion that was closed on 1 July 2019. I said, in declining the draft, that if you thought that she now met one of the notability criteria, please indicate on the draft talk page. You still may discuss notability on the draft talk page and submit the draft for re-review again. If you think that the article should not have been deleted, you may go to Deletion Review and request to reverse the deletion; it is more likely that DRV may say to submit a draft for review, and may specify what criteria should be considered in the draft. If you have any more questions, we can ask at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:47, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

User:Carlden10 - Discuss notability at the draft talk page, or at the Teahouse. I have not compared the draft article and the deleted article, but the AFD creates a presumption of non-notability, and it is up to you to overcome the presumption. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:16, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

ArbCom evidence

I agree with and will refer to the evidence entered by User:BrownHairedGirl... How can you possibly agree with BHG's evidence when she hasn't posted her evidence publicly yet? Iffy★Chat -- 09:30, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

New Page Review newsletter December 2019

Reviewer of the Year

This year's Reviewer of the Year is Rosguill. Having gotten the reviewer PERM in August 2018, they have been a regular reviewer of articles and redirects, been an active participant in the NPP community, and has been the driving force for the emerging NPP Source Guide that will help reviewers better evaluate sourcing and notability in many countries for which it has historically been difficult.

Special commendation again goes to Onel5969 who ends the year as one of our most prolific reviewers for the second consecutive year. Thanks also to Boleyn and JTtheOG who have been in the top 5 for the last two years as well.

Several newer editors have done a lot of work with CAPTAIN MEDUSA and DannyS712 (who has also written bots which have patrolled thousands of redirects) being new reviewers since this time last year.

Thanks to them and to everyone reading this who has participated in New Page Patrol this year.

Top 10 Reviewers over the last 365 days

Rank	Username	Num reviews	Log
1	Rosguill (talk)	47,395	Patrol Page Curation
2	Onel5969 (talk)	41,883	Patrol Page Curation
3	JTtheOG (talk)	11,493	Patrol Page Curation
4	Arthistorian1977 (talk)	5,562	Patrol Page Curation
5	DannyS712 (talk)	4,866	Patrol Page Curation
6	CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk)	3,995	Patrol Page Curation
7	DragonflySixtyseven (talk)	3,812	Patrol Page Curation
8	Boleyn (talk)	3,655	Patrol Page Curation
9	Ymblanter (talk)	3,553	Patrol Page Curation
10	Cwmhiraeth (talk)	3,522	Patrol Page Curation

(The top 100 reviewers of the year can be found here)

Redirect autopatrol

A recent Request for Comment on creating a new redirect autopatrol pseduo-permission was closed early. New Page Reviewers are now able to nominate editors who have an established track record creating uncontroversial redirects. At the individual discretion of any administrator or after 24 hours and a consensus of at least 3 New Page Reviewers an editor may be added to a list of users whose redirects will be patrolled automatically by DannyS712 bot III.

Source Guide Discussion

Set to launch early in the new year is our first New Page Patrol Source Guide discussion. These discussions are designed to solicit input on sources in places and topic areas that might otherwise be harder for reviewers to evaluate. The hope is that this will allow us to improve the accuracy of our patrols for articles using these sources (and/or give us places to perform a WP:BEFORE prior to nominating for deletion). Please watch the New Page Patrol talk page for more information.

This month's refresher course

While New Page Reviewers are an experienced set of editors, we all benefit from an occasional review. This month consider refreshing yourself on Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features). Also consider how we can take the time for quality in this area. For instance, sources to verify human settlements, which are presumed notable, can often be found in seconds. This lets us avoid the (ugly) 'Needs more refs' tag.

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Request on 11:52:23, 21 December 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by MatWr

• MatWr (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Waukauyengtipu (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello. Thank you for your reply. In order to present a history of the exploration of Waukauyengtipu (along with botanical observations made during the expeditions), it needs to be granted a separate article. I makes no sense to write about Waukauyengtipu expedition reports in an article about Mount Venamo. Nomenclatural inaccuracies are not everything - these are two separate mountains. Whereas Mount Venamo has no sources providing any tangible information about its exploration history other than fragmented notes. Waukauyengtipu, on the other hand, is much better documented in source materials.

I still hope my proposal will be reconsidered.

Best Regards, Mateusz Wrazidlo

MatWr (talk) 11:52, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Cheers

Merry Christmas, Robert McClenon! Or Season's Greetings or Happy Winter Solstice! As the year winds to a close, I would like to take a moment to recognize your hard work and offer heartfelt gratitude for all you do for Wikipedia. May this Holiday Season bring you nothing but joy, health and prosperity. Onel5969 TT me 11:12, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Kemomc52/sandbox

A tag has been placed on Kemomc52/sandbox requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section R2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a redirect from the article namespace to a different namespace except the Category, Template, Wikipedia, Help, or Portal namespaces.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. DannyS712 (talk) 01:50, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

User:DannyS712 - Weird. I don't know what happened here. I see that I moved User:Kemomc52/sandbox to Draft:Vivian Tomlinson Williams, a musician. Oh. I see what happened. User:Kemomc52 did some questionable moves to try move the musician draft into article space, and one of them created a cross-name-space redirect. I think that the student user needs to be told to rely on AFC and to ask for advice at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:16, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

User: Ross Kolby/Sandbox

User:Robert McClenon Dear Robert. Thank you for your message. I am sorry for updating the sandbox so it seems that I apply two times with tha same article. I am not used to edit on Wikipedia, and it is just a result of me not knowing how to make an article correctly. I believed the Sandbox was a place where I could keep an article for myself and store it. I of course only wish to apply with one version of the article. Should I delete the version I now have saved in my Sandbox? Best, Constituto (talk) 18:15, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

User:Constituto - Just work on Draft:Ross Kolby. It doesn't matter what you do with a sandbox, except that if you tag it for review, it gets reviewed, and the reviewer tries to move it to draft space. So play in the sand; just don't throw sand into draft space. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:22, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

User:Robert McClenon I see. Thank you. I have worked quite a lot on the Draft:Ross Kolby and I for now do not know how to improve it more without guidance. Would you be able to review the draft for being published as an article here? Or might you give me some advice if you feel it must be improved? I have worked on the inline citations and to make it pass the Wikipedia demands. Best, Constituto (talk) 18:28, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

User:Constituto - I do not usually follow a draft through the approval process. If you need guidance on how to improve your draft, I would suggest that you ask for advice at the Teahouse, which has a diversity of experienced editors. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:05, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up!

Thanks for pointing out the additional submission of the Lillian Shalom draft; good to be aware of this type of editing. MurielMary (talk) 20:28, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

Hello Robert McClenon: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, DBigXrayᗙ Happy Holidays! 18:15, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings1}} to send this message

Your submission at Articles for creation: Lillian Shalom (December 24)

Your recent article submission has been rejected. If you have further questions, you can ask at the Articles for creation help desk or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help. The reasons left by Robert McClenon were: This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. This submission is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. The comment the reviewer left was:

This draft appears to be an autobiography, the submission of which is strongly discouraged. See the conflict of interest policy for more information.

If this draft is resubmitted, it is recommended that it be nominated for deletion. If this draft is not an autobiography, it may be resubmitted with an explanation on the draft talk page that it is not an autobiography.

This draft reads like an advertisement, but Wikipedia is not for advertising.

This draft is the work of a sockpuppeteer.

Robert McClenon (talk) 18:33, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: sandbox (December 24)

Your recent article submission has been rejected. If you have further questions, you can ask at the Articles for creation help desk or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help. The reasons left by Robert McClenon were: This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. This submission is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. The comment the reviewer left was:

This draft appears to be an autobiography, the submission of which is strongly discouraged. See the conflict of interest policy for more information.

If this draft is resubmitted, it is recommended that it be nominated for deletion. If this draft is not an autobiography, it may be resubmitted with an explanation on the draft talk page that it is not an autobiography.

This draft reads like an advertisement, but Wikipedia is not for advertising.

This draft was submitted by a sockpuppet.

Robert McClenon (talk) 18:36, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewed my sandbox draft

I have created the Phemex Wikipedia page at my sandbox please let me know why it's not approved and what can I do for the approval. I believe the page is important because its about a bitcoin futures and cryptocurrency derivatives trading platform.(Aureliojohn (talk) 21:12, 24 December 2019 (UTC))

User:Aureliojohn - I do not normally follow a draft through the approval process. The importance of a page in Wikipedia depends on its coverage by reliable secondary sources. General sanctions apply to disruptive editing or to advertising of cryptocurrencies. If you think that the subject is notable, you may ask for advice at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:19, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Robert McClenon - Thanks you Robert, Good to see you again. I really appreciate your work and guidelines.(Aureliojohn (talk) 18:31, 25 December 2019 (UTC))

Good luck

豊かな十年へようこそ/WELCOME TO THE D20s

Miraclepine wishes you a Merry Christmas, a Happy New Year, and a prosperous decade of change and fortune.
このミラPはRobert McClenonたちのメリークリスマスも新年も変革と幸運の豊かな十年をおめでとうございます！
フレフレ、みんなの未来！/GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR FUTURE!
ミラP 04:21, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

User:Miraclepine - Thank you for putting Cdr. Wikipe-tan on watch on my home page. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:30, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

To whom it may concern...

Newshunter12 (talk) has given you a fresh pie! Pies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a piping hot pie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Bon appetit!

Spread the tastiness of pies by adding {{subst:GivePie}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Merry Christmas! Who knows, maybe the Grinch will steal every portal while you're sleeping. We know what a loss for Wikipedia that would be. Newshunter12 (talk) 07:56, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

User:Newshunter12 - I don't think that the warrior princess who is on watch, in the uniform that my mother would have worn a few years before I was born, will allow the grinch to pass. If the grinch enters through the portal, he is a prisoner and can be sent to Admiral Nimitz for interrogation to give evidence to the ArbCom. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:27, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Ok, User:Newshunter12, I see. You didn't put the warrior princess on watch. User:Miraclepine did that. It doesn't matter. She is there standing watch, and isn't likely to allow a grinch to pass, whether through a portal or to steal a portal. Happy New Year anyway. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:42, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Multiple submissions but unsure about versions

How do I find the different submissions for Sammy Voit? I would like to delete all except the one submitted for review today but I don’t know how to find them. Please help. Thanks Fayerez303 (talk) 02:05, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nick Fuentes (2nd nomination)

Hello Robert McClenon, as the nom of this article at AfD, I wanted to let you know I've rescinded my recent Close as Delete in favor of Relisting for further discussion, based on this request by Magog the Ogre.  JGHowes  ^talk 22:04, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Arbitration case opened

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/RHaworth. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/RHaworth/Evidence. Please add your evidence by January 14, 2020, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/RHaworth/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, CodeLyoko^talk 03:19, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Advertisement?

Comments about drafts that have been nominated for deletion should be posted to MFD, not to the nominator's talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:57, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Please tell me where you see and advertisement? If so, then I see many more advertisements here too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_genealogy_software — Preceding unsigned comment added by Midibo (talk • contribs) 16:38, 1 January 2020 (UTC) And I see many more advertisements here too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Windows-only_software And I can continue this... Since you cannot see advertisements here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_genealogy_software or here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Windows-only_software you have no objection to me posting the article again.

Hayley Griffiths

Robert, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pmsouc I apologise if it looks like I have duplicated a submission. My understanding was that the article was sitting in the Draft space for a number of months but on checking the guidance it looked like it had to be moved to my own user space and then submitted. My understanding of the Draft page is that this is a temporary page. Provided the original article is in the queue for review that is fine.Pmsouc (talk) 18:27, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

User:Pmsouc - You created multiple copies. I will review one copy. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:44, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Robert McClenon Pmsouc (talk) 18:53, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

User:Pmsouc - Please review the musical notability criteria and identify which criteria she satisfies. I am not saying that she does or does not satisfy the criteria, but that I am asking you to decide which criteria are applicable. Please indicate on the draft talk page what criteria are applicable and what references apply. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:38, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

I have Created Another Page Please Give me The Feedback

I have created another page kindly review my sandbox and let me know what's you feedback.(Aureliojohn (talk) 20:29, 1 January 2020 (UTC))

AfC notification: User:Aureliojohn/sandbox has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at User:Aureliojohn/sandbox. Thanks! Robert McClenon (talk) 23:04, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Draft: The Masked Singer (American season 3)

Talk:The Masked Singer (American TV series) Rider0101, (talk) 2:01, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Quantenna

Hello, Robert McClenon. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Quantenna".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! Lapablo (talk) 19:19, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Sumitomo SHI FW Page Deleted

Hello Robert, I had posted a page to be published and you had deleted it due to a quote from a magazine that was used directly. I would gladly update that to be a paraphrased version but the entire page is now gone. How can it be restored and then fixed? Thank you for any insight you can provide on this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravikrishnan72 (talk • contribs) 15:48, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

User:Ravikrishnan72 - After considerable searching, I see that a draft page Draft:Sumitomo SHI FW was deleted on 4 November 2019 by User:RHaworth for copyright violation. Wikipedia takes copyright violation very seriously, and I see no particular reason why we should assist you in recovering content that was lost because you infringed copyright. If you have the original material available on your computer or elsewhere, you can resubmit it. If you believe that a substantial amount of non-infringing material was deleted, you can request undeletion at Requests for Undeletion, although material that was deleted for copyright violation is very seldom if ever restored, or you can request Deletion Review. In either case, I am not optimistic that we will be able to restore your page. It should have been your responsibility to keep a copy of it. I have found a record that I moved your sandbox to Draft:Sumitomo SHI FW. I cannot retrieve its content. You should have kept a copy of it. User:Liz then deleted your sandbox because it was only a redirect to a deleted page. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:01, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

• The page was also hopelessly spammy. If a new version were to be created, it would need to have almost entirely different text so there is no point in letting you see the deleted stuff. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:50, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

User:RHaworth - I assume you are telling the OP that there is no point is letting them see the deleted draft, because I didn't ask to see it. It is common for material to be both copyvio G12) and spammy (G11) if it was copied from corporate advertising. That is two reasons why we don't want that crap in Wikipedia. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:23, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Request for assistance on Wikipedia: Webfleet Solutions entry submission by Suarezmartell

• Suarezmartell (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Webfleet Solutions (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Robert. I'm writing to kindly ask for your help in regards to a Wikipedia entry I submitted two months ago.

I created a Wikipedia entry for my client, "Webfleet Solutions" and submitted it two months ago. At the time I received timely feedback from you, I quickly made all the arrangements (added third party information from reliable sources) you suggested on your feedback but I have not received any news or update or feedback from you or any other reviewer.

I wanted to ask you if you knew a way of knowing when will I receive new feedback or to know if my entry is approved or rejected? I contacted the help desk yesterday and they sent me information regarding conflicts of interests but I'm not sure how this is related to me since Webfleet Solutions is not my company.

Also, I would like to know if I edit the draft version and submit it again, will the days start counting again until a reviewer can see my entry? I mean, if I edit it again, will I have to wait two more months?

On the other hand, before submitting this entry I had not previously been active on Wikipedia and had no Wiki authority, does this affect the review of my entry?

Thank you in advance for your answers.

Suarezmartell (talk) 12:03, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

User:Suarezmartell - Since User:ColinFine has replied to you at the Help Desk, I have replied there rather than here so that we can keep the discussion in one place. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:14, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Joseph I. Castro has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Joseph I. Castro. Thanks! -- Deepfriedokra 04:08, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello Robert

Hey Robert,

I noticed you declined my draft, thanks for the feedback! I added more sources and rewrote my draft article. The topic is worth writing an article on and I've really been struggling write this. There are reliable sources out there cambridge source. Many of these sources are restricted by paywalls, and I can't afford to go out of the way. This is an important article. Please hear me out, I'd love feedback and help with the article. Best,

Flalf (talk) 19:15, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

User:Flalf - I do not usually follow a draft through the approval process. However, you say that this is an important article. Why is it important? Why is the subject notable? Is it important because you are working for the subject? If so, please read the conflict of interest policy and make your declaration. The article should explain why the subject is notable. I suggest that you ask for advice at the Teahouse. If I were to re-review the draft, I would decline it again, and I do not think that the Teahouse will be optimistic. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:17, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

The only conflict of interest is that I'm interested in it. I'm about as remote as physically possible from that person. I live on a different continent and I learned about them only a few weeks ago while researching for the ambazonia article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flalf (talk • contribs) 14:31, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

User:Flalf - Why is it important to have a separate stub article for Draft:Fon Gorji Dinka? His notability appears to have to do with the Ambazonia independence movement. I suggest asking for advice at the Teahouse, but they are likely to advise including any appropriate information about Dinka in the article on the region. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:56, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Joseph I. Castro has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Joseph I. Castro. Thanks! Robert McClenon (talk) 21:29, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Request on 21:31:44, 9 January 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Jziemniak

• Jziemniak (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:John Shields (chef) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Thank you. This is for a different chef with the same name, John Shields, in Chicago. Please let me know if there are any changes I can make!

Jziemniak (talk) 21:31, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

User:Jziemniak - This is an interesting situation because it seems that more disambiguation is needed than is usually the case, because there are two people in the same line of work with the same name. I have renamed your draft to include his middle initial. This is an interesting disambiguation question, and I suggest asking for advice at the Teahouse as to exactly what is the preferred degree of disambiguation. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:40, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Joseph I. Castro has been accepted

Joseph I. Castro, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.
The article has been assessed as Start-Class, which is recorded on the article's talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. If your account is more than four days old and you have made at least 10 edits you can create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for Creation if you prefer.

• If you have any questions, you are welcome to ask at the help desk.
• If you would like to help us improve this process, please consider .

Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia!

Robert McClenon (talk) 21:32, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

John Shields

Hi. Regarding Wikipedia:Teahouse#Disambiguation and Draft:John B. Shields (chef), the other editor posted Wikipedia:Teahouse#Disambiguation Question for Two Individuals with Same Name in Same Line of Work earlier, if you'd like to combine the two sections, or ... —[AlanM1(talk)]— 00:18, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

ANI discussion for "Doncram's actions ignoring the AfD Result and now edit warring"

Hi Robert McClenon,

I don't have an opinion on the matter, but the ANI thread originated with a single proposal, supported by one other editor, and then devolved (as is typical at ANI) into a series of sidebar discussions and general comments and observations. Given Girth Summit's comment that he would like to see the thread closed, I'm contemplating closing as no consensus and/or wrong venue or unclear proposal. There's a lot of involved editors and administrators that are likely precluding it from being closed. There is some later discussion that some issues may be worth considering, in a different venue, but there is no consensus for the original proposal. Being an experienced editor, and seeing as you're also uninvolved in that thread, would you mind giving me a second opinion on if you think such a close has merit?

If you prefer to close that thread, I would have no issues with that as well.

Cheers,
--Doug Mehus T·C 02:52, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Comment A bot just archived that discussion. What's the policy on unclosed ANI discussions being archived? Should they be closed, or perhaps one should initiate a request for closure? --Doug Mehus T·C 02:57, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

User:Dmehus - Threads in WP:ANI are archived if there is no activity in a period of time which may be 72 hours. If you read the header of an archive, you will notice that it normally has instructions which say not to edit it. That means do not edit the archive of a talk page or a noticeboard. This amounts to a close due to community boredom. So the community decided not to do anything about that issue because they didn't do anything in 72 hours. User:Girth Summit could have closed the thread if they had acted. Now my view, which is consistent with the banner at the top of the archive, is to let sleeping bears sleep. (If you wake up a bear, the result is unpredictable, because bears are unpredictable, but one likely result is that the bear will injure you and then go back to sleep.) If the user who was the original subject of the discussion messes with the article, then I would suggest that a report at the edit-warring noticeboard would be more likely to get action than another report at WP:ANI, but either would be reasonable. If there is another thread opened, then please ping me. I wasn't paying attention to that WP:ANI thread. But to answer your question about policy, the policy is that the thread is closed by having been ignored by the community for 72 hours. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:49, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Yeah - I didn't feel I should be the closer, since I'd expressed an opinion on one of the various side issues that arose (the relisting of the AfD, which was criticised by the OP). I'm quite content for it to slip away into the archive and attract dust instead of flame. GirthSummit _(blether) 15:25, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

I will restate something that apparently needs restating. The banner at the top of a noticeboard archive that says not to edit the contents of the archive means not to edit the archive of a noticeboard or a talk page. If you think that you misread it because your thread was supposed to be closed, you read it correctly, and it says not to edit the archive. Leave it alone, like a sleeping bear. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:14, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Sorry if I wasn't clear? I am not suggesting that it should be closed post-archiving - I just dropped in to explain why I didn't close it myself (since you pinged me, and mentioned that I could have done so), and to say that I'm happy to leave it as is. I'm not suggesting that anyone disturb the bears... GirthSummit _(blether) 16:42, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Girth Summit and Robert McClenon, thanks for your replies. I didn't realize ANI threads could be archived without closure. It's clear that nothing needs to happen from that thread as there's no clear outcome on what, if anything, needs to happen. If someone from that thread wants to re-open an aspect of that discussion, they're certainly able to do that by bringing a new discussion to an appropriate venue. Doug Mehus T·C 16:49, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

User:Dmehus - There is much detail about Wikipedia, some of which one should know, most of which one can get away without knowing, as long as one doesn't mess in it. This may be off any subject, but, User:Dmehus, please consider whether, if you don't know how WP:ANI is archived, and there are other things you don't know, is it possible that you don't know enough to do non-admin closures of XFD? Either you know what you are doing and can't explain it, so that other think you don't know what you are doing, or you actually don't know what you are doing. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:56, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Robert McClenon, I accept that don't know everything about Wikipedia and, you're right, you can get away with that as it's not necessary. However, to be honest, I find the ANI page overly cluttered relative to other areas of Wikipedia, so I just missed that banner you referenced. In terms of non-admin closures, I haven't closed any AfDs (other than withdrawing my nomination) and my closures have been limited to a handful of RfDs and several TfDs. I have curtailed my closures at TfD pending a more thorough understanding of the nuances of the process and, even at RfD, I have not closed anything in over a month. None have been challenged at DRV and all were supported by the participants, but even there, I want to more fulsomely digest the applicable policies in that area before I resume closures. At least 4-6 months. Even when I resume doing a few closures, I will still limit myself to one or two areas and not AfD, given that is a much more high profile and controversial area. CfDs can be complicated in terms of multiple closing outcomes discussed in the comments, so would also avoid that, and I would also avoid MfD until the dispute over portals ends. Doug Mehus T·C 17:42, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Dispute resolution - close?

Hello,

You posted a message on the Occupational stress dispute. I think it can be closed for two reasons:

• Today we worked on updating the lede regarding the content that Lightningstrikers was concerned about
• The user has been blocked for 2 weeks here.

I am hoping that we all come back with a calmer approach going forward. Should this be closed now?

I wasn't sure how to ask that on the dispute page if no one had volunteered to take it yet.–CaroleHenson (talk) 03:41, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

User:CaroleHenson -  Done Robert McClenon (talk) 05:49, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks much! And, I don't remember being part of a dispute before, but am now familiar with how it works, thanks to you.–CaroleHenson (talk) 05:52, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Sunil Prem Vyas

Hello Robert McClenon, last month you had rejected Biographical article of "Sunil Prem Vyas". i'm not able to understand what kind of changes should i do in article. first point you said i can split this article with another article "Take it easy (Movie 2015)" which is directed by Sunil Perm Vyas. but this is movie article and i had discuss with one of our editor on Tea house, he said we can not add biography information in movie article. second point you said this person is not notable but i have given you some news paper links of mid-day Mumbai, Times of India and some other web links. i have saw some Biographical article on Wikipedia with very less references but they got publish. so i think i have given proper references then why my article is getting declined. so i don't want to split this article with another article i want to make biography article of Sunil Prem Vyas. so please guide me for the same.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jay1Rudra1 (talk • contribs) 08:17, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

User:Jay1Rudra1 - First, the page that was rejected was a sandbox that has only a picture of Vyas but no biography. If you want to use your sandbox for some other purpose, you can blank it and reuse it. Second, I suggest that you ask for advice at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:29, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Also, you are having difficulty in communicating in English. Have you considered contributing to the Wikipedia in your first language, maybe the Hindi Wikipedia? Robert McClenon (talk) 16:35, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Arbitration case opened

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kudpung. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kudpung/Evidence. Please add your evidence by January 28, 2020, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Kudpung/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, CodeLyoko^talk 05:00, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Aarthi Ganesh

Hello, Robert McClenon. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Aarthi Ganesh".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! Bkissin (talk) 21:58, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Wikipedia:Toy portals

Wikipedia:Toy portals, a page which you created or substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Toy portals and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Wikipedia:Toy portals during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Hobit (talk) 23:12, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Trang T. Lê  rejected questions.

Hello Robert McClenon, thank you for reviewing my submission. It seems I have resubmitted a more recent draft with the same name. How do we move forward reviewing the most recent draft (December 28, 2019), and discarding the first draft reviewed in (September 30, 2019)? Thank you for your help. Namnguyen408 (talk) 23:02, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

User:Namnguyen408 - The draft in question is Draft:Trang T. Lê. You submit a draft for review by submitting it. You did not submit that draft. Click on the tab for the purpose. Do you want me to submit it for you? Robert McClenon (talk) 23:32, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Robert McClenon I was wondering if the updated draft has been resubmitted properly, with the updated edits. Thank you Namnguyen408 (talk) 20:11, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Yet another potentially WP:NOTHERE editor

In the light of people's opinions on User:Bryan.Wade's case, I am wondering if I need to take any special actions on User:ChopChop4, considering that, after checking, for all 3 days of their account's existence all they have done is accumulate userboxes. --MoonyTheDwarf (Braden N.) (talk) 18:13, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

User:Moonythedwarf - As they say at UAA, let the user edit. If the user edits, the userboxes are harmless. If the user doesn't edit, the userboxes just sit there and are harmless. None of them tell lies. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:49, 17 January 2020 (UTC)

Non acceptance of the proposed article on the Inca complex ar Pisac

I wish to ask you to reconsider your decision to not allow the creation of my article called “Inca Pisac”.

You suggested that I incorporate what I have written into the existing “Pisac” article.

I visited the area in 2017 and was blown away of how massive what I term “Inca Pisac” is. Upon my return home I found that there is very little information available on it, mostly tourist blogs and the odd scientific paper. As a result I decided to be bring it to people’s attention. I had intended once the article was accepted to then revise the main “Pisac” article.

The concurrent Wikipedia article called “Pisac” is on the existing town and surrounding area. This area was settled by various tribes from which no buildings remains before it was conquered by the Incas. They constructed a massive complex on a mountain side overlooking the valley. This complex is believed to have functioned as a combined royal retreat, farm, fortress and town. When the Spanish came the Inca complex was abandoned and the Spanish established a town on the valley floor below it and gave the Inca name to this town.

In many ways what I have termed “Inca Pisac” is the same as the following all of which have separate articles in Wikipedia: - The Acropolis overlooking Athens - The Alhambra palace complex overlooking the city of Granada - Edinburgh castle overlooking Edinburgh

If what you are saying is correct then shouldn’t these and any place, castle, significant structure not have a separate article and instead be incorporated in the article on the town or city in which they are located. If you search for “Pisac Archaeological Park” in Google maps and go to the 3D option you will get an appreciation of its size and how it relates to the town.

Part of the problem is that the name “Inca Pisac” also refers to the period of Inca occupation of the area, which I think confused you. If you agree that your decision should be reversed there is still the problem of the article name, if you feel it is confusing. Various peoples seem to use the terms “Inca ruins”, “Inca citadel”. “Inca ruins at Pisac” is not suitable as it is a term of the state of repair. “Inca citadel at Pisac” is not quite correct as it had more functions than acting as a fortress. The legal name of the complex is the “Pisca Archeological Park”. I don’t think this is the best as we don’t use the legal name for the palaces, castles, etc which are now museums as their article name. But at the end of the day the important thing is to describe this stunning place. John Prattley (talk) 23:43, 17 January 2020 (UTC) John Prattley

The draft in question is Draft:Inca Písac. (It helps a reviewer to be given a link to the draft or article in question.) If you think that a separate article should be spun out from the article on the village to discuss the Inca ruin, the place to discuss splitting an article is the talk page of the existing article, that is, Talk:Písac. Please discuss there. If you have any further questions, then experienced editors may be able to help you at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:47, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Martin Fayomi

Hello Robert McClenon

Could you please spare some time to review my draft? Could you please check this draft out for an approval? Draft:Martin Fayomi. I added extra links on the talk page of the article. Maybe this could be considered. --Goldie19 (talk) 16:53, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

User:Goldie19 - I do not usually follow a draft through the approval process, but I am willing to ask other experienced editors at the Teahouse to comment within 24 hours. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:28, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. Would be expecting a feedback. --Goldie19 (talk) 00:12, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Take It Easy (2015 film)

Hey RMcC, I hope you don't stress too much about the discussion at Talk:Take It Easy (2015 film). I just need a little clarification. Sorry if you felt that it went a little weird. We're all still friends. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:42, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

User:Cyphoidbomb - I thought I had clarified it after the first explanation. Robert McClenon (talk) 07:03, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

User:Cyphoidbomb - To explain a little further, what was weird was that I had apparently confused you to the point where I couldn't resolve the confusion, because I thought that I had tried to explain that it was a question of whether to spin out an article and that the place to discuss was the existing article. I felt that I was trapped in the situation where what I communicated the first time was not what I meant, and where it was apparently impossible to re-explain. Maybe now I have explained, and maybe I will still have to explain four more times. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:10, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Dilshad (entrepreneur)

Hey Robert! I had submitted the Dilshad draft for review. Thanks for reviewing it. I hope it isn't wrong if I "argue" for my "case" :D

I had earlier made this article which was passed by Frayae. I believe the Dilshad one matches that one's "quality". Also, Largoplazo had commented on the Dilshad draft that "It's definitely better, nice". That was what made me confident enough that it would pass the review. How do you think I can improve it till it becomes eligible for an article? Your suggestions would be a great help. Cheers! — JosephJames 05:54, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of User:Arav Sri Agarwal/sandbox

A tag has been placed on User:Arav Sri Agarwal/sandbox requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section U5 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to consist of writings, information, discussions, and/or activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals. Please note that Wikipedia is not a free web hosting service. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such pages may be deleted at any time.

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Sorry, you got twinkled since ASA c&p'd another copy over the redirect you left. Cabayi (talk) 20:36, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

User:Cabayi - Oh. That sandbox. Oh well. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:11, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Intersection

Hello, Robert McClenon. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Intersection".

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Request on 16:29:27, 23 January 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by HumOutcomes

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  • Draft:Aid Worker Security Database (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

HumOutcomes (talk) 16:29, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello, this is in reference to the article you recently denied Draft:Aid Worker Security Database. I've left a comment/question on Teahouse, If you'd like to review. Thank you.

Also - Robert McClenon how do I go about resubmitting my article for another review by you? Or do I not resubmit? Thanks!

Draft:Rubina Bajwa

If you have some time, this has been the subject of some strife and discontent.-- Deepfriedokra 17:51, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

User:Deepfriedokra - I have given the user an additional warning for the personal attack of yelling vandalism. I haven't reviewed the draft in detail but agree that it should be reviewed by a neutral editor. I have looked at the WP:ANI thread. If the editor in question is indeffed, it will leave the draft to be available for review in a few weeks or a few months by a neutral editor. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:36, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

I disagree with User:Deepfriedokra and User:Winged Blades of Godric in one detail, and that is that, in my opinion, draftifying an undersourced article a second time should never be done, even if its author is a known paid editor. Draftifying a page twice is move-warring, and move-warring is disruptive, and experienced editors should not edit-war or move-war. If the page has been improperly moved into article space a second time, it should be taken to AFD instead. That is my opinion anyway. But I agree with the current move-protection, and I do not plan to accept it. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:36, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

I thought that I wasn't going to review it, but I see that a previous article on the actress was already deleted after a deletion discussion, and that was sufficient for me to decline it with a warning that I am ready to nominate it for deletion if it is resubmitted again without evidence that it satisfies a special notability guideline. Also, I agree that the editor should be blocked for the personal attacks of yelling vandalism. I do not have an opinion on whether the block should be for 72 hours or indefinite. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:50, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Robert. I thought it best to draft again under the circumstances rather than move right to AfD. Creator is overwrought.-- Deepfriedokra 12:28, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

AN3 report which mentions a DRN that you moderated

Hello Robert. Please see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Msasag reported by User:Bhaskarbhagawati (Result: ). The DRN, which concluded in June 2019, was here. Reading the DRN gives me the impression that one particular editor was most of the problem. Any comment is welcome, EdJohnston (talk) 17:31, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

user:EdJohnston I will check it within 8 hours or less. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:20, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

User:EdJohnston - Yes. That was an extremely difficult DRN, and I agree with the assessment of User:Bbb23. The ANI report was almost a year ago, but the other party to the DRN likely remembers it as clearly and bitterly as if it were last week. The editor who filed the report at the edit-warring noticeboard was, in my opinion, the one who made the DRN difficult, and it lasted several months. I suggest that you also consult with User:Abecedare, who was in the background with the Sword of Damocles. I had to threaten to fail the moderation and to let the parties go back to Arbitration Enforcement at least twice, and was ready to recommend that they be topic-banned. I haven't looked at the recent edit-war, but if the filing editor is being a bully, which is what it appears, then they have been notified of India-Pakistan discretionary sanctions, and a topic-ban may be the only way to contain this. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:39, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Just a heads up

Just letting editors who worked on 2019 Lilbourn, Missouri Earthquake know it was proposed for deletion. Comments can be made here Talk:2019 Lilbourn, Missouri Earthquake. (You worked on the draft version) Elijahandskip (talk) 19:45, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

My friend

LouisAlain and I have collaborated for many years. He translated all Bach cantatas to French, and created articles such as Reinhold Fritz (where I pointed by "read below"), and thousands of others. Admitted, we both are foreigners, and have problems with English. I thought inviting him to the teahouse was not appropriate. When an editor is new to you, perhaps check out Precious (= go to my user page, click on the word Peace, search for the name). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:06, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

User:Gerda Arendt - I will consider your advice, and will recognize that User:LouisAlain is an experienced editor. Wikipedia is sometimes a strange complicated place. I will add that you do not have problems with English. Your English is at proficiency level 4, and I cannot tell the difference in writing between level 4 and level 5. (What I do notice is that you appear to have a higher education, just as I do.) I didn't choose to invite him to the Teahouse. I simply used the Articles for Creation script, and it decides whether to invite an editor to the Teahouse. If an editor chooses to use Articles for Creation, they will get invited to the Teahouse. He can ignore the invitation, just as anyone else who gets it from a script can. I will pass on to the editors who maintain the script that it annoys some experienced editors who submit articles for review. Robert McClenon (talk) 08:29, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to explain. My education is as you assume, and noted in the infobox on my user page. LouisAlain doesn't choose AfC (afaik), but others move his creations to draft, where some simmer until too old ... - sad topic. They are moved to draft because they are translations from fr and de, where sourcing is different. I struggle with that a lot, and sometimes feel that writing an article from scratch is easier than the search for sources some other editor, often much earlier, and offline, may have had. End of sigh, happy editing! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:54, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Request on 03:39:39, 26 January 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Loanfish

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  • User:Loanfish/sandbox/Loanfish (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Robert,
Thank you for deleting the draft. I incorrectly submitted it as an article for creation when I was, in fact, attempting to create a user-page. I was looking for how to retract the submission myself, but you beat me to it. Sorry for wasting your time! I am still learning how to properly use the site.
-Claudia

Loanfish (talk) 03:39, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Claudia - You already have created a user page. So I think that we are all right. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:54, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Order of Franciscans Ecumenical concern

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About Draft Draft:Brooke Butler.

I was about to review Draft:Brooke Butler but i want to clear this up with you first, in the case where she doesn't meet WP:SIGCOV can it still be reviewed with WP:NACTOR guidelines? Cause the coverage for the subject is low or close to nothing and being that she's played a couple of roles there should be something. Lapablo (talk) 20:20, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

User:Lapablo - That's a good question, and I would like to see it discussed at the Articles for Creation talk page, but here is what I think, and why it is complicated. The primary guideline for notability for anything is the general notability guideline, and significant coverage is what is described by the general notability guideline. There are also a number of special notability guidelines. I for one prefer the special notability guidelines, because they are usually clearer, and they sometimes provide an ipso facto test. The exact relationship between the general notability guidelines and any special notability guideline, such as acting notability, is occasionally contentious. As written, most of the special notability guidelines usually say that if they are met, notability is "presumed", and occasionally, typically with sports notability, someone has a snit and decides that some sportsperson fails general notability although they passed a sports notability guideline. My own thinking is to pretend that the special notability guideline is the only one that matters if there is one, because it is clearer. So my advice would be not to assess for significant coverage at all, but to look at whether she passes acting notability. If she does, accept the draft, and it will almost certainly be all right. If she doesn't pass acting notability, she almost certainly will not pass general notability either. So: Has she had multiple significant roles?

Robert McClenon (talk) 22:05, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

User:Lapablo - Also, if you decide to accept it, and you need help with the redirect, please let me know and I will move it. A hatnote will then be added. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:00, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

I could use your help!

So around two years ago I decided I would try and become the "Influencer Guy" on wiki. So I made pages for several YouTube Celebrities and Agency's. I think all of my submissions got deleted, and then I got bored and went elsewhere. But I returned today out of curiosity, and see that other users picked up where I left off. Several of my pages have since been approved. Thats really cool...but one page seems to be hijacked by the company itself. I made the article for Traackr, and it was very long. I took a long time on it...and it was completely neutral. Complete w/ a section for controversy. Anyhow, it looks like last mont the company itself tried to submit it's own article, and in doing so deleted my draft and created a fluff peice. You went ahead and denied their article and basically told them to quit being corporate scum. How do I get my original draft back? I can't find it anywhere in the revision history? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Traackr Thanks dude! --PopCultureSuperHero (talk) 21:52, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

User:PopCultureSuperHero - What exact name did you give to the article or draft that you created? There was a page deleted from article space eight years ago that was also a fluff piece by the same author as wrote the draft that I declined last month. There was also a draft deleted two years ago named Draft:Traackr, the same name as the one I declined. It was deleted as G11, which is the code for spam or advertising. If it was yours, then you could ask to have it undeleted, but requests to have things undeleted that were deleted as G11 are usually denied. You ask for undeletion at Requests for Undeletion. However, I am not optimistic that you can get your draft restored. You can ask for further advice at the Teahouse, but they may say much the same thing. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:18, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Do you see a View Logs link when you view the history of the draft? That shows you a few actions, including any past deletions with the same name. Of course, it only works with the same name, not a similar name. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:19, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

MY RESPONSE: I can't find anything to say that the article ever existed at all, which is strange because I made it. I have the code saved in a Google Doc. I'd rather not resubmit something that got deleted already however. I just figured if it was already there maybe I could edit it up. I'll just let this one ride off into the sun. Thanks for the info dude. PopCultureSuperHero (talk) 09:48, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Maybe you called it Trackr or Traackr.com. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:29, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

@PopCultureSuperHero: Robert is correct. Your 5 edits to Draft:Traackr are the 5 edits which were deleted in 2018 as "spam or advertising". Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but at least you now have the mystery solved :) --kingboyk (talk) 14:11, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@Kingboyk: Thanks man! PopCultureSuperHero (talk) 07:52, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Article on Francisco Vico

Resubmitted after considering the notability criteria pointed out (thanks!, there was indeed some stuff to clean up and reorganize). References and comments have been added to make clear the contribution to the academic discipline of algorithmic music, as well as citations to its global impact in the media. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quipa (talk • contribs) 10:52, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

User:Quipa - I didn't really review the draft and I didn't decline it. I only commented that it should be reviewed. I may review it in the future, or I may leave it for another reviewer. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:55, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, User:Mighty.Germany/sandbox

Hello, Robert McClenon. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "sandbox".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! Bkissin (talk) 16:19, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, User:Bkissin. That illustrates two unrelated issues with the scripts that reviewers use. The one that I usually complain about is that it thinks it was my sandbox. My only connection was that I had moved a previous draft out of that sandbox. Also, it doesn't accept the reviewer's input as to what language it is. Well, I didn't decline that draft, and so I never said it was in German. But I have tried to say that drafts were in German or French or Spanish, and it has sometimes only said that they weren't in English. Oh well. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:28, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I wish there was a way to fix the script so it only notified the original creator, rather than everyone who has been involved in the article process. Bkissin (talk) 16:30, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

User:Bkissin - If it notifies multiple editors who were involved in the history, then it is worth the false positives to avoid any misses where the actual creator is not notified. If it is notifying multiple editors, including the true creator, then I will mostly stop complaining, because it is a reasonable solution then, if it minimizes the annoyance factor. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:53, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Request on 13:55:45, 30 January 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Mmizeasrm

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  • Draft:American Society for Reproductive Medicine (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I have been told my article is not being published because it seems I may be compensated directly or indirectly for this article. I was asked to reply here to assure wiki that that is not the case. I assure you that is not the case. I am not being paid directly or indirectly to create and post this article.

Mmizeasrm (talk) 13:55, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

User:Mmizeasrm - Who asked you to reply her that you are not being paid for the draft? Who told you that your article is not being published because you are being paid directly or indirectly for it? Robert McClenon (talk) 15:28, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon:I received the below from Dorsetonian. Please see in the message below where I am asked to respond to the message below that I am not being compensated directly or indirectly. I apparently replied to you rather than Dorsetonian in error. I apologize. Can you help me?

Hello Mmizeasrm. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, such as the edit you made to American Society for Reproductive Medicine, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially egregious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat SEO.

Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists, and if it does not, from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Mmizeasrm. The template {{paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. Per [1] Dorsetonian (talk) 00:26, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Need your help Draft:Karlyn Percil

Hi Robert,

Thanks for the edits to the article. After making changes to it and following your suggestions, I moved the article to mainspace, where it was later reverted to draftspace and blocked by User:Bearcat who said it's mandatory to re-submit for further review (though, he still hasn't shown me where it says that this is mandatory). In any event, I'd like to request your help and receive feedback for further edits, if any. I've made suggested changes to the sources, added a COI (not an autobiography), and adjusted the tone. Please advise on next steps, as it would be greatly appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AMPLIFYHER2020 (talk • contribs) 22:27, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

User:AMPLIFYHER2020 - Well, I disagree with User:Bearcat's actions somewhat, but I completely disagree with your actions. I do not normally follow a draft through the approval process, and I very seldom if ever assist paid editors or other editors who have conflict of interest. In my opinion, rather than moving your article back to draft space a second and a third time, User:Bearcat should have nominated it for deletion, but that is a difference of opinion. You should not have been move-warring with Bearcat. Editors who have a conflict of interest are not permitted to move their drafts into article space or otherwise to edit them. I do not know whether Karlyn Percil is notable, but, now that you have move-warred, it is unlikely that an article will be accepted. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:54, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Userspacification

MfD closed; userspaced without redirect to User:Robert McClenon/Toy portals. PS: It's been my direct experience that if you want to track down previous references to something like this (e.g. with "What links here"), and fix the links to point to the current location, no one is likely to object (even in talk-page archives). It'll almost never produce a revert if you leave the original link (if visible) alone and pipe it to the current location. But many editors would not care to bother with that, since most of us don't read archives unless looking for something specific.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  05:55, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi

i didn't understand what i should do to improve the article should i delete eh article on my sandbox because there are 2 copies of the article ?, that's what i understand from these messages.--FCBlinder (talk) 02:53, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

User:FCBlinder - Which version do you want reviewed? Robert McClenon (talk) 03:29, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Robert McClenon i want the draft not the article in the sandbox.--FCBlinder (talk) 12:55, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Robert McClenon i put the new sources in the draft can you review again ?.--FCBlinder (talk) 06:24, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Andrew Naimanye

The creator of this material came to me several weeks ago and requested me to assist him create his first article. I did not have the time at that time. When I found the time, I noticed that his draft has been rejected on more than one occasion, despite the presence of adequate referencing (admittedly not well formatted). I also noticed that the draft was under threat of deletion, because it had gone stale.

As I formulate the best way to help this young editor, I copied his material to one of my sandbox pages, until User:Wkigenyi can create a sandbox of his/her own. I have sent a message to the owner of the material to inform him that I am ready to work with him/her.

If the transfer of material to one of my sandboxes violates some Wikipedia rule, please show me how to do it properly. If it is a problem, I will delete the material, as I have other ways to help the writer without using his draft. Your guidance is welcome. Thank you. Fsmatovu (talk) 08:19, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Fsmatovu - My first comment is to ask for advice at the Teahouse. It isn't clear to me why you thought it was necessary to copy-paste this into your sandbox when it was already in draft space (and when you could have put it in their sandbox). Robert McClenon (talk) 18:58, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Robert McClenon,

1. In the draft space, either you or one of your colleagues threatened to erase the draft. I might wake up tomorrow and that draft is gone! I wanted it in a place where I could find it when time came to work on it. 2. I could not find a sandbox for [[User:Wkigenyi. If it exists, please show me and I will gladly put the draft there. 3. My concern now is that the young man or woman has been frustrated and given up editing on Wikipedia for good. He/She has not responded to my messages in the last two days.Fsmatovu (talk) 19:41, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Fsmatovu - I will be requesting input from other editors at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:30, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Corda draft

Hi - please can you give me some guidance on what to improve to get this page approved? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Corda_(decentralized_database) All of the sources are independent, and other blockchain platforms in Corda's peer group (some that are significantly less notable) have their own pages. Any help appreciated - thanks Nickpwarren (talk) 19:28, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Nickpwarren - I have a few questions. The first question is not optional. Do you have any affiliation with R3? All of your edits have been about R3, David E. Rutter, and Corda. If you have any conflict of interest, you must declare it in accordance with the conflict of interest policy. Second, does the Corda product satisfy software notability? Third, do the other blockchain platforms that have their own articles satisfy software notability? If not, should they be nominated for deletion? Other Stuff Exists is never a satisfactory argument in itself for the acceptance of a draft. After you answer the first question, we can discuss software notability at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:56, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Windlass Steelcrafts concern

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Draft:Ayanga

Hi! The article exists because an editor just copied and pasted the text into the main space from the draft. Now the whole history of the draft is lost and this person is "credited" in the main space article as the main contributor, which he/she is not. Please merge the histories, or have an admin help merge the histories so we don't lose credit to contributors of the original (which is also required by copyright). Thank you in advance Teemeah ^{편지 (letter)} 13:31, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Teemeah - It appears that what is needed is a History Merge, which is somewhat different from a regular merge. I have left your merge request on the page, but have added a History Merge request. This is done by an administrator, and is done in order to preserve the attribution in accordance with the terms of the copyleft. I think that is what you are requesting. In any case, thank you for calling the attention of reviewers and administrators to the problem. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:58, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Indeed it is a history merge I meant. Thank you! Teemeah ^{편지 (letter)} 17:35, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

RfA

If you're interested, I'll be more than pleased to nom. Lourdes 08:23, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

I'd co-nom, Lourdes, but it depends whether he would have me. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:26, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Lourdes - I am willing to try again if you have looked at my previous RFA, and if you recognize that I haven't tried to be the different editor that some well-meaning supporters told me I should become, and then try again. That is, some editors gave me advice for the track record I should establish in order to have another RFA. I didn't plan to become an "excellent content creator" or to be more tolerant of crud. If you are willing to nominate me again anyway, then I would prefer to wait about a week to ten days and then give it a chance again. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:58, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Kudpung - I think that the comments addressed my concerns. I am willing, but will wait a week to ten days. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:58, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you.

FWIW, I like you just fine and would have supported the last time had I known.-- Deepfriedokra 17:19, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

• How has been your deletion tagging (the issue which was a significant one pointed out)? SoWhy, just pinging you to request you to keep this thread in your watchlist if possible. Thanks, Lourdes 06:00, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Lourdes - I have done little deletion tagging since then. I was doing New Page Patrol before auto-confirmed trial, and was tagging crud that needed tagging. The issue was that I was thought by some editors to be tagging it too quickly, and I respectfully disagreed with their opinion. So I have not been at New Page Patrol much recently, now that the throw-away accounts have to play for four days before they can submit stuff, and some of them learn what is a proper submission, and some of them submit to AFC, which is even more backlogged. If your question is whether I have become a different editor or have grown up, the answer is no. I was already a grown-up. If the question is whether I have annoyed anyone recently, the answer is that I have annoyed a few contentious editors about content disputes. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:26, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Sure. Whenever you are ready, ping me a couple of days in advance. Let's start working on your mandatory queries in the meanwhile. Lourdes 13:41, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Lourdes - I'm ready any time, and will be even more ready on Wednesday. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:30, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Can we set up a sub-page with your three mandatory questions? Or would you prefer email communication? Thanks, Lourdes 12:01, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you

THanks for the barnstar! It brightened up a less than stellar day today. Nightenbelle (talk) 15:22, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Request on 15:31:41, 7 February 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by 210.6.22.101

• 210.6.22.101 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Jiri Prochazka (martial artist) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jiri_Prochazka_(martial_artist)

The MMA notability criteria has been met

1.Have fought at least three professional fights for a top-tier MMA organization, such as the UFC (see WP:MMATIER);

Has fought 12 times for Rizin FF which is considered a top tier organization.

The list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mixed_martial_arts/MMA_notability#Current_list_of_notable_MMA_organizations_and_promotions is outdated. If rules are consistent then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Lee should not have a wikipedia page because she has only fought at ONE Championship which is second tier according to the list

or 2.Have fought for the highest title of a top-tier MMA organization

He is currently Rizin FF Light Heavyweight Champion and has vacated the title to fight for the UFC which is a top tier organization.

210.6.22.101 (talk) 15:31, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Query

Hey, would you mind explaining this move here? Normally, you would G6 the redirect first, right? L293D (☎ • ✎) 01:55, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

User:L293D I always (almost always) deal with drafts that replace redirects in this fashion. An example is a redirect for an album to the article on the musical artist, or a redirect for a song to the article on the album. Then a draft is written for the article or the song. If I were to G6 the redirect first, I would have to wait for the administrator to delete the redirect first, which would leave the title temporarily vacant until I saw that the redirect had been deleted. What I do is to move the redirect out of the way, and then accept the draft, and then tag the redirect for G6. I have been doing this for maybe two or three years. It has the advantage that it doesn't require me to wait for the administrator to delete the redirect first, because the redirect can be deleted afterwards. Other administrators haven't objected, so I assumed that this was one reasonable way to accept drafts when there already is a redirect. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:08, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Okay, that works, I'm just surprised by the 24 hour delay in tagging for G6. Best, L293D (☎ • ✎) 02:39, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

User:L293D I remember noticing the redirect, and realizing that I must have been interrupted after I accepted the draft and before I tagged the redirect. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:30, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

DRN talk page

You may want to close this discussion on the DRN talk page, which has now gone from requesting a closure review (which I complied with) to simply relitigating the dispute at hand. I would do it myself, but at this point I would consider myself involved. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 00:57, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Rosguill -  Done Robert McClenon (talk) 01:19, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Derived noncommutative algebraic geometry

Hi Robert,

I saw you rejected my article because you labelled it as a spinoff of the article on derived algebraic geometry. Although these articles has similar sounding titles, they are distinct subjects. Here's a useful analogy: algebraic geometry is to noncommutative geometry as derived algebraic geometry is to derived noncommutative algebraic geometry. The basic objects considered in these fields are separate. In DNCAG the objects are triangulated categories while in DAG they are derived rings, such as simplicial rings or differential graded algebras. Here's a couple relevant links

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noncommutative_geometry#Noncommutative_affine_and_projective_schemes
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebraic_geometry

Will you let me resubmit this article? Is there anything you'd like me to add to the DAG article to try and differentiate the two subjects even further?

--Thanks, Wundzer — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wundzer (talk • contribs) 01:53, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Wundzer - I did not reject your draft. I declined your draft, which means that you can resubmit it. (Wikipedia has its own vocabulary, just as any branch of mathematics or science does.) If you want more information about the draft review process, you may ask at the Teahouse. Also, I advised the merger based on the comment at WikiProject Mathematics. Talk to the reviewer there. I don't know anything about algebraic geometry. It isn't one of the mathematical subjects that I have forgotten, because it isn't part of the higher mathematics that is studied by a chemist. So either discuss at the talk page of the existing article, or discuss at the mathematics project talk page. You would be better off to talk to a real mathematician at WikiProject Mathematics. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:26, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Robert McClenon Thanks for the heads up and direction :). I'll go ahead and chat with the folks at the WikiProject Mathematics page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wundzer (talk • contribs) 19:15, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Saket Modi

Hi Robert McClenon,

I am writing to you regarding the draft about Saket Modi which was declined by you stating There has been a history of sockpuppetry in the previous article on Saket Modi that has been stubbed down to a redirect. I am assuming by "sockpuppetry" you mean multiple accounts operated by a single individual. I checked through the page history and fully agree with you, that there were multiple accounts involved. I do not know who's behind these accounts, why he's constantly trying to vandalize the article, and what could be his intentions. I understand that he may have violated Wikipedia's guidelines that led the page to be redirected. I tried resubmitting the draft but it got rejected for the subject not being notable. I read Wikipedia's General Notability Guidelines at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability#General_notability_guideline and the topic fullfils the requirements, it has been featured in multiple reliable sources including The Economic Times, Business World, India TV. I was wondering if you could provide me with some guidance and help me restore the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2402:3A80:64D:4B17:FCF0:5DBF:953:5E3D (talk) 18:53, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi Robert McClenon, I understand you must be busy. I will be highly obliged if you take out few minutes and help me fix above issue...thanks a lot — Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.107.133.105 (talk) 18:51, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi

I put the right sources after you told me put other sources and improve the page can you review it again after editing the page is Draft:Arash Shakour.--FCBlinder (talk) 21:19, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

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Draft: Billy (Black Christmas)

Hello Robert McClenon, I got your messages on my submitted draft of Billy (Black Christmas). I just wanted to let you know that this was an article before I had it as a userspace draft (My Usual MO for major expansions), unfortunately, there was a discussion about the validity of the article and the consensus was to redirect it into the article the character originated from. The consensus was reached with only 2-3 people voting and improper research was made which resulted in the consensus that there were not enough sources to constitute a separate article. I was just wondering how I would get that decision reversed as there was insufficient research done for the consensus of redirecting it was reached?--Paleface Jack (talk) 02:14, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Paleface Jack - I will review the history of the article within 48 hours. In any case, you should discuss on the talk page of the existing article. What I will research is whether any sort of formal action in order to approve the split (thus reversing the decision to redirect) is needed. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:20, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Paleface Jack - Where was the consensus reached to stub the article down to a redirect? I haven't found the discussion. Unless I can find it, my thought would be that I can accept it, and if anyone objects, they can nominate it for deletion, and we will have a deletion discussion. Articles for Deletion is an authoritative method of determining what the consensus is on notability. Where is the inadequate discussion? Robert McClenon (talk) 01:58, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Here is the archived discussion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Billy_(Black_Christmas)Paleface Jack (talk) 16:23, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Paleface Jack - First, you made a typo in copying the URL of the deletion discussion to my talk page, and it didn't link to anything, but I guessed what it was supposed to be and have fixed it and viewed the AFD. That is a nine-year-old AFD. The usual procedure in such a case is to request permission at Deletion Review to create a draft for review. The alternative, since it is so old, would be just to create the page, but as a reviewer I don't think that I should ignore the previous closure. You already have a draft. I will request permission to review it. In that case, we probably don't need to discuss at the article talk page, because DRV is a more public forum. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:49, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I tried to find the actual discussion that resulted in the redirect but was unable to find it. Again, thanks for the insight.--Paleface Jack (talk) 16:56, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Moves to "hyperspace"

Pipara (0) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

If you're going to move redirects out of the way like this to deliberately nonsensical names and request deletion, could you please move them out of the main namespace? —Cryptic 08:38, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Cryptic - Okay. How would you prefer that I handle these drafts? I am willing to follow a somewhat different approach. The situation is that there is a draft article submitted for review that should be accepted, but there is a redirect to a parent article. I could tag the redirect for deletion as G6 Move, but this would require then that I wait anywhere between 5 minutes and 24 hours to see when an administrator has deleted the redirect, and during the time after the deletion and before I can accept the draft, there is nothing. So I want to accept the draft, which means that I need to move the redirect first. So I move the redirect and accept the draft. If you would prefer that I move the redirect to draft space or user space, I am willing to do that. Is that your request? I can move the redirect to draft space, or to my user space, and accept the draft. Is that what you are asking? If so, okay. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:26, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Lourdes has another suggestion above that would simplify acceptance by allowing me to delete the redirect, but it could be otherwise controversial, so I would like know what your advice is on accepting drafts that are blocked by redirects. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:26, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Lourdes' solution is the one I usually suggest for extendedmovers who find themselves having to jump through complex hoops to get things done, yes. (I don't offer to nominate anymore, though; my endorsement would be of little value.) In the meantime, moving the leftover revisions into draft:, or user:, or talk: while it's awaiting deletion would avoid polluting mainspace. As an aside, admins who G6 a redirect to make way for a page move are supposed to actually perform the move too, but as you've no doubt observed, they usually don't. —Cryptic 15:44, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Cryptic - Okay. I can move the redirects into draft space without renaming them, then, while waiting for their deletion. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:26, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft:PayActiv

I believe my draft for financial company Draft:PayActiv is ready for the mainspace. I was thinking of moving the draft page myself into the mainspace, but I would like to have a second opinion. Could you possibly look over the draft, see if it needs anything else, before it moves to the mainspace? Cardei012597 (talk) 20:09, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Adhesive Bonding (2)

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"Adhesive Bonding (2)" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Deletion of "Political Game Theory"

Hello. Thanks for your message about the deletion of "Political Game Theory". Sorry I didn't see it until now. I'm very old and I don't log in at Wikipedia very often these days. I think that article was probably an obsolete idea for a longer page or a neglected stub from a long time ago. Deletion was probably the right thing. Cheers! wayland (talk) 17:46, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Move The City Beautiful

Hello, Robert,

Do you still have objections to the deletion of this move page? I saw your note on the draft talk page but I wasn't sure if you had taken discussion of this page elsewhere. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:51, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Liz - At this point the stupid redirect has already been moved into neverland, so that its effective deletion is a fait accompli. Go ahead and deal with the silly dispute. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:21, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for your prompt response. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:27, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Bezos Earth Fund

I rather think the nYT article + the USA today article amounts to significant coverage. ???? DGG ( talk ) 19:38, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

User:DGG - I will look at the NYT and USA Today. If they are stories about the Bezos Earth Fund, I agree. Please discuss at Talk:Jeff Bezos whether to spin out a separate article. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:18, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

User:DGG - First, I see that the article has been accepted; I see that it is currently only a stub. That is all right; it needs expansion. Second, I see that I misread the draft as to one letter and therefore three orders of magnitude when I declined it. I read that Bezos had donated $10 million to the fund, which is a non-trivial amount of money that will finance an organization with an executive director who is paid out of endowment, but I have a template that says that not every 501(c)(3) organization, or its equivalent under other national laws, is notable. It didn't say that Bezos had pledged $10 million to the fund. This wasn't a Rockefeller or a Ford; this was Bezos. The size of the founding gift was notable in its own right. I don't know if we should have a special notability guide to that effect or if Use Common Sense (about uncommon endowments) is sufficient. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:42, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

It's only 10... adjusts glasses... billion?! Wowsers, that's a lot of money! --kingboyk (talk) 21:05, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

In general, common sense is better than elaborate guidelines. I could not figure out why you had not accepted it, but that you had not noticed the actual size certainly explains it; had it been $10 million I wouldn't have either. I noticed it especially because I was aware of it from the NYT before I saw the WP article DGG ( talk ) 22:27, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

User:kingboyk, User:DGG - I think that we can have a common-sense idea that won't be in policy but will sometimes be quoted that if a reliable source mentions a billion dollars, it is probably notable.

If you owe your bank a million dollars, you are at their mercy. If you owe your bank a billion dollars, they are at your mercy.

Reviewer: "Hmmm. That looks notable with two billion euros ... adjusts glasses yen? Hmmm. I'll review it more carefully." Robert McClenon (talk) 01:16, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

An Unreal $30 billion

Well, well. User:DGG and I just encountered an autobiography that claims that the subject is worth $30.4 billion. After this discussion, I thought it particularly appropriate to do a very quick fact-check. The subject exists, and probably did attend Oxford University, and that is the extent of the truth. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:56, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Ntinda Vocational Training Institute-Kampala

Hello Robert Mcclenon, my name is Sandrah.Akol. The Article was nominated for speedy deletion under category G5, and I have no financial stake on this article. I have done new edits on the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ntinda_Vocational_Training_Institute-Kampala Please help me and review this page, for any help is kindly accepted. thank you--Sandrah.Akol (talk) 08:25, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Ntinda Vocational Training Institute

Further to the ping from WP:REFUND, I'm letting you know that Sandrah.Akol (possibly the user formerly known as Likol Jo) and IP addresses are still at it. In addition to the request at WP:REFUND, my reinstatement of AFC templates at Draft:Ntinda Vocational Training Institute-Kampala was undone, and there have been moves and redirects all over the place including mainspace (example). Looks like some blocks and salting may be in order. I'm a bit busy to investigate further atm, but if you need any help please ping me. --kingboyk (talk) 15:00, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

User:kingboyk - Thank you. I will look at it, and may request deletion. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:47, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

User:kingboyk - Okay. I have attacked it in two forums, Requests for Page Protection in article space, and Miscellany for Deletion in draft space. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:10, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I've dealt with your RFPP request. While doing that, I found another SPA: Akol Joseph Latif (already blocked). --kingboyk (talk) 20:52, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

User:kingboyk- Thank you. My name is Sandrah.Akol, am seriously struggling to contribute African Content on Wikipedia but its an fortunate that most times I donot conform to its policies. Recently I wrote about Ntinda Vocational Training Institution-Kampala, I have been reading about the Wikipedia's guidelines and I believe currently this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ntinda_Vocational_Training_Institute-Kampala#Draft:_Ntinda_Vocational_Training_Institute-Kampala Comforms to its standards. But for any help please kindly don't hesitate to contact me. Thank you--Sandrah.Akol (talk) 08:42, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Sandrah.Akol - Stop submitting multiple copies with slightly different names. That only shows that you are trying to confuse the reviewers. We have told you where and how to discuss, and you should discuss rather than just resubmitting multiple copies, and you should discuss with the community rather than asking me on my talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:40, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Triple pelvic osteotomy

Hi! My ID is Zzhu8516. My article is rejected by u as u said it is contrary to the aim of wikipedia which means i copy too much. And my wikipage is deleted now. I know some people rejected my article before but i already changed a lot of words and sentences. This wikipage is cooresponding with my assignment in the uni.So it is super important.Can u tell me what i need to improve as i think Violation Unlikely is below 28.6% now. I think i did not disobey any rules.--Zzhu8516 (talk) 20:52, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Probably referring to Draft:Triple pelvic osteotomy (TPO) (canine and feline) rather than the red link above. There are no deleted edits in this user's history. --kingboyk (talk) 14:01, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Zzhu8516 - Have you considered editing the Wikipedia in your first language? You are having difficulty explaining what you are trying to do. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:51, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Zzhu8516 - Does your university assignment involve including an article in Wikipedia? If so, please have your instructor discuss the assignment at the Education Noticeboard, because assignments involving editing articles in Wikipedia are problematic. If your assignment is to write a paper on the subject, you do not need to submit it for review, but it should still be in your own words and not copied. Please explain your university assignment. In particular, please explain why this draft is important. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:51, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Please ask for advice on editing Wikipedia at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:51, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi!I am Matilda. This topic is about a type of surgery. My cat has the hip dysplasia disease and need this type of surgery. I did a lot of researches on this and i hope my draft can be posted. Maybe i had violated the copyright.But i did not mean to do it. This is my first time to edit a wikipage. For my uni, i am studying a course which asks me to write a wikipage and need to post it. If it is not published or delete or there are any problems with copyright i might get a failure to this unit.So i am so urgent as the assignment is already due. Also, my uni is in a English speaking country and i have to edit in English. I also dont have the right to ask my tutor to ask in the education board. I think i have the ability to do this by my self.What i am trying to do now is that fix all the problems and try my best to let it submit succesfully.That's the reason i resubmitted several time yesterday and i do revised a lot of places .But i am feel worried that i still have not got passed. Could you tell me the reason? I have checked on the https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=User%3AZzhu8516%2Fsandbox that my article have Violation Unlikely under 30%.And it is marked with green which i think it is fine. If u think it is not enough, i still need to make any change,just tell me . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zzhu8516 (talk • contribs) 19:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I dont understand why things become so difficult. I have revised my article and i am all the way trying to make my article better.The problem is not i violated the poiucy or what my tutor ask is unreasonable. It is that i am trying my best to revise it. I hope my effort could make sense. Or if i violate the policy for once, then i can not make some changes? I will be labelled as a rule breaker and i can not publish any article since then? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zzhu8516 (talk • contribs) 02:14, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Stop inappropriately directing new users to WP:DRV

RE https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft%3ANtinda_Vocational_Training_Institute-Kampala&type=revision&diff=941798286&oldid=941797532

Why would you suggest to these users that they should consider bringing things to DRV? How would that be in scope for DRV? I think you should stop doing these random things. Draftspace is for waylaying dubious contributors, and DRV is a high level forum for admin continuing education. There is no crossover. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 09:58, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Template:Talkspin

Hi. I noticed that your template message links to WP:SPINOUT, but that guideline is about splitting off content from long articles, not creating new content that could be a subtopic of an existing one. It seems a bit confusing, pointing editors there. --Paul_012 (talk) 18:59, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

User:Paul 012 - Do you have a suggestion for how to improve the template message, such as a different guideline? Do you think that the two cases of splitting an article are really that different? Robert McClenon (talk) 19:03, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I think they're that different. In the case covered by the guideline, the content currently in main article is split off into a new sub-article. With drafts about potential sub-articles, the discussion would be whether to merge content from the draft into the main article. Having thought a bit more about it, though, I'm not sure I agree that being a subtopic to an existing article should be a categorical reason for declining AfC drafts. The most relevant guideline would be Wikipedia:Notability#Whether to create standalone pages, but it doesn't actually say that the issue must be discussed on the main article talk page before a standalone page can be created. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:02, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Discussion on the Draft namrespace

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Arash Shakour

Hi i was wondering why this page does not online yet on google search?.--FCBlinder (talk) 22:49, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

User:FCBlinder - I will reply on your talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:17, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Declined Draft: Anomalie - Musical Notability Criteria

Hello! You recently declined my draft submission for the artist 'Anomalie' and I noticed the comment that said I must indicate which of the musical notability criteria is satisfied.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Anomalie

I would like to emphasize that my references include Voir, The Jerusalem Post, and 303 Magazine - which has an editorial board. An editor on live chat also agreed with me that these three sources should be viable for the page to be accepted. I believe I have satisfied the first criteria: "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself" (Wikipedia: Notability (Music)). Could you please iterate what exactly you feel I should do to indicate that the first criteria for musical notability is satisfied? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afunk45 (talk • contribs) 00:48, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you

Hi {{ping|Robert McClenon}], thank you for reviewing, approving and assessing the Kontoor Brands page. FelixtheNomad (talk) 04:25, 2 March 2020 (UTC)