User talk:El C

If you have the capacity to tremble with indignation every time that an injustice is committed in the world, then we are comrades. – Che.

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For you

El C, contrary to your edit summary- I noticed you were gone, and missed seeing you on recent changes. You are one of my favourite editors. This is for you. Regards, dvdrw 04:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Yay! Many chipthanks for the kind words. Greatly appreciated. Best, El_C 06:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Well I noticed and missed you! (Official circular here). Novickas (talk) 12:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Thought of you while uploading this picture [1]... for all of your work. Novickas (talk) 17:35, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks! El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm sort of in a hole and am having difficulties submerging. Speaking of holes/that chippie, I got to do some visiting in its burro recently...

Later, adding even more festive decorations, and inspected the whiskers:

And some drinky-drinky as well as rubbing under chin:

Also, two days ago I got to rub a cheekadee's tummy(!); for a handsome reward, of course:

Love, El_C 11:27, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

You look really good in your purple hat! Bishonen | talk 00:19, 4 November 2008 (UTC).

Free hat! Today, while cheekadeepetting, this lady who saw us from a far, came over and said: "Can I tell you something...? You're an angel of God."(!) To which I of course replied: "All hail Atheismo!" [nah, I said: "thank you, maddam, that's very kind of you" — what else could I say?] I took an especially neat cheekadeepetting photograph today: it remained visible between my thumb and index as it flew away, giving the illusion it was bee-sized! What an unexpected, and sweet, effect! El_C 02:48, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Wow, Capitano, where do you get a large enough sweater for a person with that hand? Bishonen | talk 20:18, 5 November 2008 (UTC).

And then there's Skunky! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Oooo. Purdy!

Combine obvious love of animals with photography results in photographic win! — Coren ^(talk) 15:09, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Great to learn that peoples (plural!) like! Chickadee says hi! El_C 14:00, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings

Here's some peanuts for Hidey. He hasn't got any!

Hello. Thanks, SqueakBox 23:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Wishing you the very best for the season. Guettarda (talk) 00:26, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Thx, everyone! Happy 2009! El_C 12:55, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Happy Groundhog Day

Happy day! Jehochman ^Talk 19:52, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Chippies

El C, I've been meaning to ask for ages. What is the link between revolutionary socialism and chimpunks? Did I miss that bit in Animal Farm? Is it something to do with resting the means of damn making from beavers? --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

No link; but are you referring to Groundhog? (see left) There is a Groundhog-Chippie connection, which I was trying to further cultivate (see right). El_C 11:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

"Love is in the air ....dooooo .....dooo.dooo ......doooo ......dooo.doooo ." --Joopercoopers (talk) 11:55, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'm envious. You get to pet ALL the fuzzeh creatures!  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  01:40, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Book?

Let me know when it is out, and you will up your sales by one. :-) KillerChihuahua^?!? 09:22, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

4Tality Fractal

1. Four Facets of existence: 1. Matter 2. Energy 3. Space 4. Time

2. Four Dimensions: 1. 1D 2. 2D 3. 3D 4. 4D (temporal)

3. Four Fundamental interactions: 1. Strong 2. EM 3. Weak 4. Gravity

4. Four States of matter: 1. Solid 2. Liquid 3. Gas 4. Plasma

El_C 07:19, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Rev-dels

Just for information at the moment: are you able to do revision deletions? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 19:47, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Affirmative. El_C 20:46, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

OK, thanks. There are a couple of admins I usually contact when I see something that needs to deleted, but unfortunately they let real life interfere with their admin duties. You are online a lot at the same times I am, so it's good to have another person to contact if needed. I generally only ask personally if it's both serious and urgent. - BilCat (talk) 02:29, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes, by all means. If I'm around, please don't hesitate. El_C 02:30, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks very much. I realize.my wording above presumes you'd be willing, and that I didn't actually ask, so thanks. :) - BilCat (talk) 04:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Romania

And all I got was this... Whoa!

I can live with your highly arbitrary closing summary of the RfC on the Talk page, so I do not want to persuade you to change it. However, you closed other on-going debates as well. Could you open the other debates? Thank you. Borsoka (talk) 05:57, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Ah, the thanks I get! El_C 05:58, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

And all I got was a ^^^

• Talk:And Then There Were None#RfC: And Then There Were None and racial language
• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics#Request for comments on the 'political position' parameter of the political party infobox
• Talk:Romania#RfC
• Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#RfC: HispanTV
• Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship#Is RfX a vote, or a consensus discussion? (RfC)
• Talk:Civil Rights Act of 1968#Merger of Fair Housing Act and Indian Civil Rights Act of 1968 into this article
• Talk:WikiLeaks#RFC: Murder Of Seth Rich content dispute
• Talk:Athens News#Request for comment
• Talk:SNC-Lavalin affair#RfC: LavScam
• Talk:Christchurch mosque shootings#RfC: Change "white supremacist" to "white nationalist"

El_C 06:06, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Three years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:11, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Nice. Thanks, Gerda! El_C 08:24, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. Good day, see? Take music and flowers to your liking ;) - It's great to see your name so often on my watchlist. One area where I often wait for admin action - not now - is WP:ITNN, where we nominate for recent deaths to be shown on th Main page, and often the time between an article found [Ready] and then is [Posted] seems [too] long to still call it recent. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Ah, good ol' ITNC —where I got no credit for being the first to have  Posted the Corona virus outbreak, but upon (admittedly, perhaps somewhat prematurely) doing the same for the Kirk Douglas RD got a what-the-fuck-barbeque— it's a magical place! El_C 11:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I see, sorry for touching some wound ;) - Same for me: last year, I nominated a great pianist for RD, after I first had create an article which took time, and then carried away to also make it decent, - and by then her death was so long ago that she wasn't mentioned at all. The more woman, and the more foreign, that danger seems imminent, and if I may bother you in case I seee it coming again, that would be great. At present, it's a man, listed 20 Feb (although who knows if that was the day?), and nobody even commented yet, so nothing to be concerned about right now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Hey, by all means, if you feel Peter Dreher is [Ready], let me know so I could do the honours. El_C 12:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

I nominated him, so am not the most independent to judge ;) - and I'm already busy with the next, a woman, but mostly not foreign. - I really think we have some unintended bias there: the most prominent figures (white U.S. males) get speedy attention, and appear soon at the top position, while the female foreigners - often reported late to start with - take so long to even be noticed that they get only a place towards the end, finally, - as long as we go by date of death and not "in at the top". Result: those who are promminent already get preferred showing, more in front, and longer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:04, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Indeed, countering systemic bias is a treacherous mistress — though in the case of Kirk Douglas, I have to admit my own affinity for his admirable work countering the Hollywood blacklist... Anyway, +Peter Dreher to RD. El_C 13:16, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

February flowers

Alte Liebe

Thank you, love-ly! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

I nominated the poet for ITNN. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:36, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

At the [Ready]! El_C 14:48, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

and posted ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

That was quick! I helped? El_C 17:33, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

think so ;) - today's Alte Liebe became especially meaningful after yesterday's funeral. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:21, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Next foreign women RD: Odile Pierre. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:12, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: sorry for the belated response — I overlooked your last message. Apologies for not being able to assist with that one. Please don't hesitate to list more. I'll try to be more cognizant of this thread next time, I promise. El_C 03:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Gerda's corner

Add some colour to the corner! El_C 08:46, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

To help me better remember! El_C 05:10, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Gerda’s corner is lovely. When I have more time in my life and can do things beyond blocking socks, I plan to spend time there getting some of the Holy Thursday hymns on the main page. Gerda, if it’s not too late to find one, let me know. The Pange Lingua is always a first choice, but if there are any others you can think of, I’m open. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:26, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Also, El C’s talk page is lovely, especially for his hosting my musing about music he likely doesn’t care about one iota! TonyBallioni (talk) 05:28, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Actually, I like all kinds of music, including of the eclectic and esoteric variaty — lately I've been Dimashing it up (special thanks goes to Jasmin Ariane!). El_C 05:32, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Lovely corner, thank you! Today is The day of music, two choirs singing. I'd like Beati improved - but it's in the evensong, perhaps I'll get to a few more lines. On IWD, I should also get Elinor Ross in better shape ... - but singing comes first. Listen to Beati by voces8, another article needing improvement. Singing comes first ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:41, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

On the ITNN page, 6 Mar, Carsten Bresch. We will possibly never know when he died, but should use 6 - when the world was informed - as the day by which we go. I may be alone with that view ;) - Lovely lively colours! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Expect the sky to fall at ITNC — posted with Mar 0? (!). El_C 13:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for posting, and I added "Posted", but don't want to pass credits. DYK you know that it is as easy as clicking on the words "credit" in the nom? Nice progress on the soprano, but out for singing (alto), second round. A good source for her death would be a nice addition, anyone. this is all Spanish to me, and the English one is a blog. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:04, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

nom done, and the credits were done by someone else - bedtime --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:19, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Sleep tight. El_C 23:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

done also, and she's there - today's topic seem to be errors (3) in the OTD section of the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:28, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Amakuru took care of that! - What should I do about this decline? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

If you're confident it's good, I would move it to main namespace nonetheless. El_C 10:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

How about you? - I asked the decliner for reasoning, but got no answer. I think it might be better if it's not a personal thing between them and me, so an independent pair of eyes might help. - I don't go via AfC, nor does my friend LouisAlain, but last year many of his translations were sent to draft space, for lack of refs, just because de and fr have different ideas about referencing. I try to rescue, that's all. Then get a ridiculous template on my talk recommending the Teahouse, and still see the ridiculous decline template recommending to seek help from an experienced editor, - the things we do to voluntary contributors ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:31, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done. Mainspacified. And I didn't even visit the Teahouse! El_C 13:37, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

pacified ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:26, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for tagging me, El_C! Concerning Dimash: Oh wow, I really didn't expect that! But I'm happy you enjoy it! It's funny, it's not even a genre I usually listen to. But the first time I heard him 2 years ago, I immediately loved his music. I love his voice, his emotional interpretation; and his vocal skill, range and versatility are just enormous. And he seems to be a very nice and humble guy, which makes it even easier to like him. PS: "eclectic and esoteric variety"? Wow, that sounds interesting. Jasmin Ariane (talk) 21:55, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

♫ Welcome to the corner, Jasmin! Yes, I love Dimash's Sinful Passion, New Wave, SOS d'un terrien en détresse, Ogni Pietra (Olimpico), Opera 2, and more. Indeed, music-wise, I'm all over the place. Yesterday, I was listening to the Mahavishnu Orchestra, I'm listening to Charlie Byrd right now (because I love bossa nova, above all else), and I'm listening to the China Philharmonic Orchestra in the car currently. So, yeah, all over the place. Welcome, again! ♫ El_C 16:47, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Gerda's February corner

Hellebore

Want a drink in darkness? - Schloss Freudenberg --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Somehow, I don't really see that concept spreading to other bars... Back to out previous conversation, somewhat, a different kind of Green: "MARJORIE TAYLOR GREENE - A Randy Rainbow Song Parody" (just released). El_C 14:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

I missed Mathsci for two years. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:14, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Criss-crossing paths... El_C 15:16, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

BWV 1, concertante violin 1 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:19, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

That's right, I remember seeing that. El_C 15:24, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Did you ever click on Reformation on my user page, first occurence? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I have clicked on all of the (longstanding) links on your userpage. El_C 16:08, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

I am impressed. ... and follow to what the first 2 had discussed, and used, and then one of them needed it, and probably had known that all the time? ... which was my user page lead until 2021 when I decided people hovering over my name should see a pic I took. The last time I used it was for Cassianto, 24 May 2020. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Sure, but otherwise, your userpage isn't easy to parse, due to the fact that you actually use it. I edit mine like once a decade. El_C 18:00, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

I copied that from BarkingMoon including the top icon - a bird on the Main page today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:07, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Love it when the Main page gets that much colour. I noticed that article yesterday and thought: wow, those birds are almost as iridescent as Hummingbirds , which are... well, kinda the best! El_C 18:18, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

yes --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Opa is now on the Main page, Wilhelm Knabe, who stood up for future with the striking school children when he was in his 90s, - a model, - see here. - Further down on the page, there are conversations about the current arb case request - I feel I have to stay away - in a nutshell: "... will not improve kindness, nor any article". - Yesterday, I made sure on a hike that the flowers are actually blooming ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:13, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Yay for Green Opa! This made my day! El_C 16:24, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Today, we have Doris Stockhausen on her 97th birthday ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:34, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Till 120! El_C 15:39, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Birds of a feather

External videos
Bitter-sweet groove (translation unavailable on request!)

Spiel nicht mit den Schmuddelkindern ... anticipated protest --- and listen, not to me, but the music (in the article) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

... and after the music, please listen to User talk:Nikkimaria --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:39, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't understand. There's a YouTube video at the bottom of the page, but it's just some people talking in German (which I don't-Opa-understand) alongside some German folk music (not my cup of tea). Then, you link to Nikkimaria's talk page as an ill with numbers and stuff, but it still only links to their main user talk page. Quite confusing. El_C 13:48, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

entirely my fault, I thought I had the video in the article, but no, only on the talk of Martinevans123, and when I'm absent-minded, I confuse ill and diff, Nikkimaria. But hurray, I just expanded the soprano, sufficiently I hope. Need fresh air now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't really like that song. Didn't dislike it either. Was just kinda meh. Personally, I prefer the Israeli children songs I grew up on, like הילדה הכי יפה בגן, for example. El_C 16:08, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Mr. Degenhardt would have been delighted! Not a song to be liked, - did you read the quote which I translated (improving on Deeple) per the talk request. Song talk about unpleasant smells, ending with a crime and a corpse swimming ... while the surviving grubby children keep singing that you better don't play with them. - Thanks for yours. Did you read my advice for M? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:33, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

I did not. Quoted where? Also, after Opa, I'm afraid to ask, but what's a "Deeple"? Yes, I saw it. Sound advise, but I'm still concerned that further cognizance will nonetheless be needed in order to avoid utter disaster in the future. El_C 16:45, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

my next mistake, DeepL - as you know everything about me you'll know that I am an infobox warrior who had to be restricted by arbcom to prevent utter disaster in the future. For 2 years I was too proud to appeal. I should have known SBHB's advice in the case, but then we might not have gotten to Beethoven ;) - RfC for Ian Fleming, and I stay away, I stay away, I don't play that game any more - please, be never afraid to ask! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:03, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Matti Caspi laments about how many songs can even be created, but does so in a song he created (כמה שירים אפשר להמציא בכלל), so there you go. Take that, eternity! El_C 17:13, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Gerda doesn't lament but enjoys the support by Brian, continued when others called her guilty, - always trying to mediate. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Tis the season for bitter-sweet...? Also, trying something (top of section — EEng uncredited mention). El_C 18:45, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

look --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:34, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

did you? - interesting bitter-sweet today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

I did in passing, but I just am not in the headspace for riddles today, I'm afraid. But I did like File:Idstein,_Unytsjerke._Oersjoch_ynterieur.jpg. Almost-but-not-quite grand; warm but-not-quite gaudy. Sorry, I haven't heard of that translator before. Did you know her, personally? El_C 23:01, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. The church pic - as you will have seen - is in my user infobox for 2021. I don't know the singer personally, but she sang for us several times, Bach's great works (all explained if you follow the link, also (below there) that some like to receive my thanks and appreciation), and she sang recently in cantata services that I pictured (her page). On all these pictures, she is too small for "about her", and my lead is smaller "about me", of course. - I knew nothing about the translator, but she was a red link on Deaths in 2021. The bitter-sweetness is between her and her ex-husband, a novelist with an article who wrote her obit. (They had four children when they were divorced, and now he has ten.) - The delegate called me to task for the Bach cantata, so I will have to not follow spontaneous impulses for a few days, - hope no one dies whose article has to be written. In the cantata, BWV 1, I have a problem. The article was all built on one source (and all other Bach cantatas at the time also, btw) which one user denies reliability. I wanted to keep it, supporting it for all facts - only recordings, anyway - by a second source, trying to be faithful to the article history and to retain what editors did before me. He removed it. Quite generally, I have a problem with expansions which ignore what former editors achieved, see BWV 53 and Ian Fleming for recently mentioned examples. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:42, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Ah, just read that at: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/08/dr-vera-wulfing-leckie-obituary — I see what you mean. Right, I knew it (the church) looked familiar. Hope you're able to resolve your BWV 1 problem. I'd offer to help, but I'd probably just mess it up, anyway. El_C 16:55, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

You will not mess anything up if you look at the old ref and tell me if it looks despicable to you, just for curiosity. The article was like this when I began "taking over". - Did you see this trying to revert a takeover? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

It does not look "despicable" to me, but I am far from an authority. This is not an area with which I am familiar. El_C 18:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, helped. I just found this (having searched for Thomanerchor) and look what is bolded, and praised. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Helleborus orientalis

happy Valentine's! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:14, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, for you, too. Did an English translation of a song at User_talk:El_C#Us, btw, and am about to submit another ("US," itself), so check it out! El_C 16:23, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

adding today's featured picture of February 17 - a nice match to my wild one --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:23, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Lovely, lovely! El_C 23:24, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Request to put 2021 storming of the United States Capitol under WP:1RR

@El C: @Octoberwoodland: Continuing this discussion, I'd like to request that 2021 storming of the United States Capitol be put under WP:1RR (I guess that would be Template:American politics AE?). How do I make such a request? Post to WP:AN? Or can an admin (i.e. you :-)) do that without a formal request? — Chrisahn (talk) 23:59, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

Chrisahn, right, you ask me, here, like so. But can you show that there is a lot of protracted edit warring going on? Because I'm wary of throttling a page that sees that much activity. Not sure why you pinged Octoberwoodland here. They are not an admin, so they do not have the authority to grant your request. El_C 00:09, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

No, there hasn't been much edit warring. Just like Octoberwoodland, I thought the page was already under 1RR, and I thought it would be useful. But if you'd rather not do it yet, that's fine with me as well. If problems do arise, I'll come back here. But I hope it won't be necessary. :-) (The ping was just because Octoberwoodland started the discussion at Alalch Emis's talk page and might want to chime in here.) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:21, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Just understood that moments ago (the ping). Anyway, in general, restrictions are added by need only. The general consensus among admins is to wait and see, and only if needed add 1RR. And if that isn't enough, only then move on to additional enhancements, like Consensus required (i.e. gradual escalation). Regards, El_C 00:28, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation! These processes are more fine-grained than I thought. Probably a good thing. Although I'm afraid I won't remember the difference between {{ds/editnotice}} and {{ds/talk notice}} a week from now. :-) — Chrisahn (talk) 00:54, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

I just type T:DSA (all listed at the bottom), otherwise, who can remember! El_C 00:56, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

It is time I knew more about do's and don'ts applicable to infoboxes. Could you let me have the link to any WP that applies to Infoboxes as such? Qexigator (talk) 17:52, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm far from an authority on infoboxes, Qexigator, so short of pointing you to the MOS:INFOBOX-obvious, I would just advise you to avoid WP:ARBINFOBOX2 at all cost! Regards, El_C 18:13, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Some users get hot about infoboxes, while for others it's the normal thing to have. Before adding an infobox to an article without one, check for warnings in edit mode, and for discussions on the talk page. Recent example Ian Fleming, nonono. Those who made the article as nice as it is today don't like it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:23, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Haha! See what I mean, Qexigator? *Pokes Gerda* El_C 18:25, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the link to MOS:INFOBOX. This comfirms my experience when I have been looking at or editing other well-established articles on impottant topics: the infobox is 'to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article (an article should remain complete with its summary infobox ignored,,,The less information it contains, the more effectively it serves that purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance,' If well done, they can be very helpful when needed.' Qexigator (talk) 18:44, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

My favourite is Beethoven. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:05, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

The unquestionable elegance of less is more. El_C 19:08, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

I am so proud of that ;) - Did you know that I designed it in the workshop of Teh Case ("Actually, I believe almost every article would profit from a placement like that in history and geography.")? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Us

User:El C/Songs from the homeland (YouTube links to individual performances are at the top of the subpage, in boldface)

"You See Far, You See Clear"

"Us"

"I Want Us To Be Realized"

"Didn't Know You'd Walk Away From Me"

"You Put My Hand In Yours"

"A Place Of Worry"

What Is Love?

"How Is It That A Star"

"A Love Song (Like A Wheel)"

"Sitting On The Fence"

"Fragile"

"In Praise Of Samba"

"Where Are You?"

"Poogy Tales"

"Tell Me"

"There Were Nights"

"It Happens"

"Drawing"

"Yes, It Has No Chance, But Between Myself And I Everything Is Allowed"

Last updated: El_C 09:05, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Gerda loves subsections!

Thanks for sharing! Reminds me of my one and only contrib to the Hebrew Wikipedia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

I would have liked to add the pic to context, but can't tell ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Are you referring to he:קובץ:Ubud_Cremation_4.jpg, because that is one scary dragon! El_C 08:51, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

yes ;) - that pic was taken by my much-missed friend who made the good version for Ian Fleming, and my illustration for the infobox wars (see the link to the workshop, and in my 2020 talk archive). - On the other topic, Bach, we have now another ANI, by Smerus, Nikkimaria is fighting, I shake my head and try to look away, and Mathsci is still blocked. How many more editors in good standing are going to be burnt? - I like the singers music, but the images best when I see him, not graphics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Haha! All roads lead to Ian Fleming, it seems. Also, you're making me sound like the grim reaper, but I just want to pet a chipmunk! El_C 11:03, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

"making you sound"? I just tremble with indignation - out for the day --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:07, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

That's the second time today where I've had Che quoted back at me — looks like it's gonna be one of those days... Enjoy your outing! El_C 11:13, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Innisfree Garden

Back from sun and snow: sorry if that landed wrong. I was a bit in a rush, and reacted to "all roads lead to IF". I don't care about IF, at all, the number of my edits to his article is zero, the number of my edits to the talk page is zero. I had not thought of him in years until the ongoing RfC, and my edits will remain zero. I use his name as an example, because - with the RfC going - I can mention it, otherwise if I mentioned a name from the group someone would come and cry "canvassing".

I thought about the animosity, and what I can trace back (because I really don't understand it), and looked at what I wrote about Ian Fleming on the page deleted as a call to battle. I made a note of the name, that it was infobox person (red background indicating that it was lost) and the above-mentioned diff of a good version from 2012 piped to the date. That's all. I had forgotten until I looked it up now that my friend had made the good version. When we lost him (later that year) I spread the image all over the Wikipedias, even Hebrew (with some help from a friend from Jerusalem). My first reaction had been to leave, but then I didn't want to do his enemies that favour ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:30, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Ooh, that is some lovley greenery. So nice. Also, you can CANVASS me any day, Gerda, but should probably note my propensity to call (!)voter fraud whenever things don't go my way (diff). Anyway, trying to take it easy today, with the occasional bouts of critical drinking. El_C 19:28, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Fine, easy today, will explain "canvass" some other day, also why I think the animosity is inherited, because the listing described really doesn't explain it, - although I can see (now) that the red background - about as red as your top image - could be seen as inflammatory. But a reason to leave Wikipedia? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Easier today, with progress on BWV 1. Back to the beginning, Hebrew: we miss Yoninah, terribly, and one of the many things she would have done for me is adding the text of a psalm to the article, compare Psalm 45 and Psalm 43. The text can be found at the bottom, in External links. I could probably manage but would feel safer if someone did it who could actually read it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:44, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Oh, good, glad to hear it. Yup, I well know Yoninah for her top-tier contributions. I wouldn't count our losses yet, though. She's only been gone less than a month. Hopefully, she'll return soon. *Sending positive vibes* El_C 11:01, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Haha! Dangerous terrain (diff), who would have thunk it? (Seriously, I didn't.) El_C 11:07, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Hmm. I confess to being puzzled (diff). Anyway, pinged you to User_talk:Veverve#Psalm_43_query. Hopefully, my confusion can be assuaged. El_C 11:32, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

did it? (I had an edit conflict there) - thank you for a new word, "assuaged" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

See the trouble you get me into? Now to ameliorate! El_C 11:39, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

going out again, sun and snow, will think about amelioration when walking --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:03, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Obligatory Here Comes Sunshine spam! El_C 12:27, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

refreshed: spam for spam (subject of my first article, which was supposed to be the only one, but it had this red link ...) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:36, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Very nice, but I still think I'm owed some Psalms-related comforting! El_C 20:38, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

"no good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I like that a lot! El_C 20:49, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

Sadly: more work for you, in her memory. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:02, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Guess what, BWV 1 and BWV 159 make progress. You mentioned AE. I was there, last 2015. It was so awful that I dropped all pride (and it felt like giving up walking uprightly - watch out for Psalm 110 there) and appealed (and even successfully so). Starlight on top of that archive ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:01, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

I'll take some startlight — been flying too close to the sun lately, truth be told. El_C 18:34, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

You are welcome! I made a hook, also for you.

Did you know ...

... that Universalkünstler
Arik Brauer
created paintings in Fantastic Realism,
songs in Austropop,
stage sets for the Paris Opera,
and house facades in Austria and Israel?

(17 February 2021)

One this day nine years ago, I told Voceditenore that she is a voice of opera and reason. In 2018, she said: "And, no, there haven't been infobox squabbles in ages. I personally use them all the time now for biographies and operas. There are a few diehards left, but the general attitude from both perspectives seems to have settled on live and let live." So why is it that some still can't settle on live and let live? - The next cookbook author is scheluded to appear as TFA (with a nice infobox btw, as the last), and I will keep the usual thanks to the creator for myself as insistent, but I don't understand. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Love the artwork of Arik Brauer — nicely done! Ah, the vicissitudes of infoboxen, its ebbs and and flow. What a peculiar thing it is. El_C 14:55, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. It could just ebb. In 2018, it was no concern. Why is it now? Why can't we just edit the little boxes as other content: someone adds, and if someone reverts, consensus needs to be established. Instead, someone adding, or requesting, or just asking where it went, is considered a warrior. The question where it went often goes like this: when a certain group of editors expanded an article, they collapsed it (thinking that was a compromise, but making life harder for those having physical trouble to click the "show" button). That caused a little edit-war, which was "resolved" by taking it away completely, with a discussion like this on the talk following. Ever since, we have been reminded that there was this consensus not to have one, and we are supposed to believe that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

For sure, I am like-minded with you in that interpretation. WP:ONUS should generally be observed, like elsewhere. Indeed, there really isn't an excuse for not doing so. In theory, per WP:ARBINFOBOX2, WP:ACDS allows admins to just straight-up make it (ONUS) a requirement by adding Consensus required to intractable infobox disputes. My sense is that most admins just do not want to touch these because it usually ends up amounting to a zero-sum game, at best — myself, I don't really engage infobox disputes in an AE capacity, because the history and politics AE topic areas keep me busy enough (diff). El_C 16:19, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

There are almost no "intractable infobox disputes", really, so DS serves no purpose. The problem is that a newcomer who has no idea of a minefield is treated as a warrior. - I love your translations. We should have more us. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:36, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Ah, understood. Admittedly, I do not have a firm grasp of what's happening on the infobox front. RE: translations. Many thanks! I appreciate your praise very much. Also Val's. Strange how it took me hours and hours to do the first one, an hour to do the second one, and 30 minutes to do the third one. But I think I'm now finally satisfied with the final form of all three translations, so at least I'm done with the constant tinkering (though not to jinx it!). El_C 16:57, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

For more understanding: imagine - if you can, it takes courage - for a moment that back in 2012, the infobox had been kept as it had been for years then already. Imagine. - Certainly thanks to presentation here, Arik Brauer made it to the stats, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Play Bach

How do you like this? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:46, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Enjoy the music, and make it last. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:18, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

(As) I always do, Gerda! Yours always, El_C 12:00, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Great music offer! - What do you think of the start of Reception, - the little prince never gives up a question. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Not usually a fan of princes, but here's one that really did music-it-up! El_C 12:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Agree about Johann Ernst! The Little Prince never gives up a question, "the prince has golden hair, a lovable laugh, and will repeat questions until they are answered". How do you like the beginning of reception? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:50, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

One of my favourite books growing up... Reception looks great to me. I think he did a fine job. Top tier musicology. El_C 16:54, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

I agree, but who is "he"? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:56, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

"You know, that guy — who always wore a shirt." Oh, sorry, did you write that, with him just having merged it? It's a low attention span -day today, so brace yourself! El_C 17:04, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Nonono, I could never write such a thing (+ I'm not a "he" as the writer is, and yes, the obvious "he" just merged it). Two ways to the answer: you follow the links in the edit summary (better the second), or you look at the new article's talk page. Unless you just guess why I come to you of all people with this question, and may guess right. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:17, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

A riddle — noo! There better not be a math and science test at the end of this! El_C 17:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

test? first question in this thread has one (!) link, leading to the initial entry of a new article, with two (but I said better second) links, with the second leading to where an estimated 95% of the content came from. [2] - a fine job, indeed, not my style, but fine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:51, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Hoping for a D-. That would be about right. El_C 17:57, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

An unblock would do. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Gerda, for reasons which are my own, attending to this dispute, in any administrative capacity, just isn't something I wish to engage at this time. Sorry. El_C 20:42, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Understand. Appreciation of outstanding work is better. You can tell other admins where the clue is - my lead image until 2021 came, remember? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Of course, happy to pass on genuine positive impressions, always. Yes, I do. Breathtaking, primordial. El_C 22:26, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

"at times heavy to carry" (quoting myself still from the same page which also has the model for Precious, did you see? - the cabal of the outcast, - I told Bus stop four years ago, feel like Cassandre) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:06, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

And that's very much okay to express. Also, we can be in diametric opposition about whatever from time to time. That is also okay. El_C 23:20, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Psalm 12 when you have time - what happened? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

An edit request by Narky Blert

I have just set up an alternative account, Narky Blert (alt), so that I can edit logged-in until I can regain access to my main account, Narky Blert. (Condensed story - I fell ill in early December, with the result that I was admitted to hospital having being found unconscious after three days. I was discharged after a week, and consider myself recovered. An annoying side-effect was that I broke my PC, and am having trouble in recovering my PWs (that should be possible, but I'm having to rely on third parties).)

To comply with WP:ALTACC, I want to edit User:Narky Blert to add:

{{User alternative account name|Narky Blert (alt)}}

{{-}}

at the top, and

[[Category:Wikipedia alternative accounts]]

at the bottom. However, as a newly-registered user, I cannot. Could I ask you to do this for me?

As a token of good faith, I offer you "Bella ciao" - [3], which strikes me as right up your street. Narky Blert (alt) (talk) 15:02, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Holy shit! So sorry to hear that, but glad you're on the mend. For sure, I'll get right on that. Wow, that's nuts. Thanks for the song. Glad to have you back, but take it easy, please! Jeez. El_C 15:10, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm feeling better now than I have for months; I must have been building up to that episode which landed me in hospital. Now, if only I could do something about the misbegotten ISP I'm currently on... Narky Blert (alt) (talk) 17:34, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

But you made it, that's the most important thing! I love you, bwo! El_C 17:47, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Prayer for Ukraine

I took a pic in 2009 that was on the German MP yesterday, with the song from 1885, in English Prayer for Ukraine. - "Our" next psalm is Psalm 92, last week's, yesterday we had Psalm 91 but that - with the guardian angels is already covered, and I added compositions today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:03, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Wow, did you take that picture with a Nokia flip phone or something? I can count the pixels! (No NoPixel jokes, please! But yes latest music.) BTW, are you at all familiar with the teachings of Rabbi Nachman? El_C 11:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't remember - keep loosing my cameras. It's an excerpt of a larger pic, of course, and from the time when I joined Wikipedia. - No, not familiar, will perhaps look when dark. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:42, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

See Nachman_of_Breslov#Teachings. Last bulletpoint: He emphasized [the] importance of music for spiritual development and religious practice. His was probably the most philosophically sophisticated of the Hasidic Movement, now known as the Breslov (Hasidic group). Their Rosh Hashana kibbutz (annual pilgrimage to Uman, Ukraine) is a pretty big deal in both Israel and Ukraine. El_C 11:59, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Sounds interesting, but was too busy yesterday. IWD today, so I decorated my talk showing two who didn't make it, one from Russia and one from Ukraine. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:59, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Good stuff. Happy International Women's Day! El_C 18:51, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! Wrote the translation of Anna Korsun to German, and began Zofia Kilanowicz, for the occasion. Sang an extra song for peace in rehearsal. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:11, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

March songs

I listened to the charity concert mentioned here (on radio, it was soon sold out), and created the articles of the composer and the soprano. Alto to follow today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:10, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

Do you think you could provide Psalm 92 (and then 14)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:19, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Nice. It's been a while since my last concert. Those Psalms look dunzo'd. El_C 03:03, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

How to listen? El_C 05:09, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

To that concert? I don't know, there was a lot of recording going on, but I don't know if for the public. - To Prayer for Ukraine? - see article. To the Frankfurt concert? [4] - composer on the Main page now! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:33, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

sorry about not having looked "down" enough for the psalms - yesterday was 27, also "dun". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:35, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

DunZO! Yeah, the latest (I'm caught up with the rest), too badzo. El_C 16:33, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

St. Patrick's Day, more music and today's sunset no cow--Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:49, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Nice sunset, still, though! BTW, we've moved past cows. We're doing sloth wizards now. Catch up with the lore! El_C 04:40, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

on Bach's birthday: the places where I sang his Dona nobis pacem --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:27, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Happy BachDay! Wow, Evangelische Marktkirche in Wiesbaden looks like an intergalactic spaceship, with pillars. El_C 22:16, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

the place where Reger-Chor performed first --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:20, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Very cool. It also looks like a spaceship from the outside, but with un-rounded corners. What a twist! El_C 22:26, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

The Prayer is on the Main page, finally + new flowers, and btw: the TFA is a young writer's first --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:01, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Well done! That deserves flowers (of peace (against all odds)). El_C 12:48, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Bach's No. 1 today for illumination --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:58, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Very nice, can't go wrong with the classics (classics). Funk No. 1, for yesterday's exaltation (today). El_C 16:04, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

thank you ;) - back to Psalm 14, it looked done but looking closer, I don't get why Hebrew is shorter, and has a different beginning, and the explanation is that it's not the complete but some sort of difference. Can you check that please? - Prayer for Ukraine: I heard it as "encore" after a live opera performance from Staatsoper Hannover, sung and played with heart by the complete ensemble. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Sunday flowers and sounds, don't miss the extraordinary marriage of the beginnings of the theme of Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, BWV 1, and Prayer for Ukraine - here! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:47, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

Like. Congrats! You are a musical editing machine! In answer to your question: some of the Aramaic-derived Hebrew words combine nouns and verbs all in a single word. El_C 14:04, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

thank you, exquisite voice today, heard on 11 March --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:01, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

(unless you already do) please help watching the TFA Operation Mincemeat because the author is not active --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:34, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

I have virtually every major military engagement on my watchlist. But I haven't opened my watchlist in 2022 yet, so there's that. El_C 12:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Not sure if I understand. I look at my watchlist about once per hour. You could just look at editing history every now and then, or do nothing. I wanted to write about an Israeli conductor today but came a feminist - the perfect topic for women's month. Her pic is on the Main page, and I learned a lot expanding. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:12, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Cool. Also, I love train conductors, too! RE: Watchlist, see: File:77,777.jpeg (btw, I've long surpassed 100K for some reason). El_C 13:17, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

now that's so funny: when I was about to pass 55.555 I decided that this was nonsense and began to reduce one by one, having reached 42k+ - this conductor leads an orchestra, but my grandfather was a train conductor --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Could you please do me a favour regarding Psalm 14: do the Hebrew in the normal fashion. What's there is a subset, has no verse numbers, - tricky. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:28, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Double cool! Also, I definitely agree with you: train, orchestra conductors — basically the same thing, interchangeable. El_C 13:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

What, never! El_C 13:31, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Okay, I did the thing. El_C 13:41, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

April corner

April songs

First psalm in April: Psalm 17, - please update when you can.

O dear, I never signed ... - (I asked one admin before (Graham87):) Could you please move Boris Lyatoshinsky to Borys Lyatoshynsky, as the article says, and I find in international concert announcements? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:37, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done and Done. I punctuate! El_C 15:51, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

That's great, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:23, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

This hymn - Das eine Brot wächst auf vielen Halmen - is based on "a melody from Israel" - do you know more? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:33, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

No, not familiar. At least I don't think. Possibly I've sang it during my time in choir...? El_C 08:14, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

never mind - memories: two people on DYK, both connected to Oper Frankfurt, and don't miss yesterday's video of Pink Floyd given to me! - no idea where the white line below the header comes from which is not there in preview --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Whenever you have time, Psalm 26 please. (I hate the blank line under the header ...) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:22, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

I have time (and time has me). El_C 11:31, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, next Psalm 62 - Wikipedia:Main Page history/2022 April 13: the TFA is hard to overlook, but there are also peace prayers, a soprano and a theatre manager, - if you don't find them try here --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Wait, 26→62? Exclaim thyself! El_C 09:27, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

coincidence. 26 was at our church, 62 in the Tenebrae readings for last Saturday, - not working today, still Easter, biking and opera, haven't seen pics yet, but it was just beautiful! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:54, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Happy Easter(n)! El_C 20:51, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

it was, thank you, now dance and singing, peace doves and icecream --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:24, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Very cool. Definitely deserving of Iced Cream. El_C 13:40, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

another Ukraine day today: Maks Levin DYK, expanding Kyiv Symphony Orchestra (have tickets), and creating Anthony Robin Schneider, the bass who could be heard opening the singing in Beethoven's Ninth twice on 10 March 2022, live in Frankfurt, Germany, and recorded in Auckland, New Zealand, singing "Freiheit!" (freedom) instead of "Freude" (joy), in a tradition started after the Fall of the Wall. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:57, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Dove sono (Where are those happy moments ...?) - concert with Kyiv orchestra and Aleksey Semenenko (quite a story!) tonight, Symphony with war and peace in the subtitle --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

So many concerts! You're really making up for lost tyme. I hope all the members of the Kyiv Orchestra are alive and well. El_C 13:25, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

... look and see and listen: Kyiv Symphony Orchestra, Luigi Gaggero & Diana Tishchenko (violin) / Kulturpalast Dresden (25 April 2022 on YouTube (that's 25 April in Dresden, a different violinist, but the same program) - ours pictured here --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Fantastic! El_C 21:04, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

{{YouTube|I learn spamthing new!}} El_C 21:07, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

CMD been called as Jones etc

Hi, I was actually just looking at CMD user and talkpage on and off due to his long term work with Singapore-related articles and noted the recent incident and spent some time reading it. I am wondering if you had noticed this section with attention to topic name and the "name" being given. Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 09:59, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Hey. Sorry, I thought I'd have a day to wrap this up, but then [blank], and now it's too late as I'll be AWOL for a week or two (unrelated). El_C 02:05, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

I just thought might be a relevant FYI but might be me being sensitive and should not be considered as part of the ongoing issue. No worries, you can just chuck this FYI aside if it is not important or you are being busy in real life! Take care! Justanothersgwikieditor (talk) 02:12, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Problematic IP user has returned

Hello El C, back in August you temporarily blocked an IP user range and gave them some very good behavioral advice moving forward.[5] Unfortunately, the same IP user is back and is engaging in WP:NOTHERE behavior. [6] The user is drawn to specific pages, covered by the Balkan/Eastern European discretionary sanctions. I have long suspected that the IP user is in fact linked to a registered user @Xz1333, [7]. As the IP user is continuously making edits to the exact same content, my only hypothesis for their behavior is that they are trying to circumnavigate the 3RR rule. Let me know your thoughts as your input would be most appreciated in helping to curtail this behavior. Thank you. ElderZamzam (talk) 23:11, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi ElderZamzam. I already intended to indefinitely semiprotect both History of Kosovo and Demographic history of Kosovo as an AE action if the recent temporary semiprotections were to fall short, so I've now done so. Hopefully, that'll go a good way to curb the ongoing disruption, which irrespective of that IP, has been a long term thing in both pages. But that IP (/64) 's editing probably needs to be looked at again. Unfortunately, as far as myself doing that, at the very least it'll have to wait for a week or two, as I'm not gonna be around much if at all during that time. El_C 02:19, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you :) ElderZamzam (talk) 02:00, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Sylvain Charlebois

Greetings (again), I believe Sylvain Charlebois' page is being vandalized again, with additions coming from dairy farmers who want to damage his reputation. It is continuing to happen. This page should either be deleted or fully protected. Thank you. CFPR2021 (talk) 15:03, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't have the spare time to assist with this matter right now. El_C 15:13, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

OK, can you recommend someone you can look into this? CFPR2021 (talk) 15:25, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

No, no one specific person, I wouldn't want to impose. But if it's vandalism for real, then WP:AIV; if it's more nuanced disruption, WP:ANI. El_C 15:29, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

It's not. They're not a fan of the recent edits by User:Nosfer ariel65 and are trying to get them removed, by implying that Ariel's got an agenda as described by them above. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 15:52, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

I was the one who did the edits this page. I am not from the dairy industry (in fact, lactose intolerant).

There is no agenda from my part. I simply reinstated a story from Sylvain Charlebois, which was highly publicized, and factual. I provided news sources and properly referenced the page. This is ultimately an important story that gained national attention and led to the stepping down of a dean from a high-profile university. However, this story was completely removed.

I believe there is an agenda to whitewash Sylvain Charlebois' name and completely erase this story. I don't believe that Sylvain Charlebois should be demonized for the bullying investigation done against him. I simply think it's important to prevent this story from being completely removed from his bio (as has been attempted multiple times). Nosfer ariel65 (talk) 16:28, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

RfA

I'd like to follow up on my neutral vote on your candidate and wanted to mention that the main argument for a support was your nomination, I just trust your judgement and I hope to see another candidate from you. But for your candidate the opposes were so prominent, that I felt unsure. Paradise Chronicle (talk) 09:13, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the kinds words, Paradise Chronicle. Maybe the less I say about that RfA from this point on, the better, but I appreciate you taking the time. Regards, El_C 14:41, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

It didn't work! :( El_C 14:47, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Sorry

My references to WP:POINT at the current RFA were not meant to ridicule or hurt you. At the time, I felt disappointed that someone whose judgment I generally find to be sound would, well, be disruptive to make a point. On further reflection, my comments did not help to defuse the situation, and for that I apologize. –FlyingAce^✈hello 16:39, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

No apology needed, FlyingAce. I didn't conduct myself optimally, to put it mildly. But I appreciate you saying that, thank you. Regards, El_C 16:42, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

USA protection

I just put a brief full-protect on United States - I'm probably not going to be around to fix the ECP when it expires. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:56, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

I'll try to remember, SarekOfVulcan, but my memory is notoriously bad. El_C 19:58, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Likewise. I'm sure somebody will get to it... --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 20:00, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Snuh! El_C 22:40, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Advice about an RM

Hello, I'm contacting you because I've seen that you're an experienced admin active in the EE area. In August I filed an RM at Talk:Russian separatist forces in Donbas, which has been recently closed with "no consensus" by a non-involved editor. It was a tough call and a long discussion, with many editors (I think 14 out of 21) !voting in support of the RM and 7 opposing it. I'm not fully convinced about the lack of consensus, and I've started a conversation with the closer. They've been kind and ready to explain and give advice, but I feel that that conversation is not going anywhere and I'm wondering whether asking for a review of the closure would be appropriate here. Note that I've never opened an RM before and I've participated in very few ones, so I lack experience and might well be completely wrong about what a consensus is within the frame of an RM. However.... I think there's a consensus to move, and if there's not, I think the discussion is not over yet and should be re-opened. I'd appreciate if you could have a look at this and give me some advice as to how to proceed, or not to proceed, on the matter. The relevant discussions are the following ones:

• Talk:Russian_separatist_forces_in_Donbas#Requested_move_from_Russian_separatist_forces_in_Donbas_→_Pro-Russian_separatist_forces_in_Donbas
• Talk:Russian_separatist_forces_in_Donbas#Requested_move_13_August_2022
• User_talk:Paine_Ellsworth#Closure_of_Talk:Russian_separatist_forces_in_Donbas#Requested_move_13_August_2022.

I know it's lots of stuff! Please if you don't have time or interest, don't worry and just tell me - I won't be upset. Gitz (talk) (contribs) 13:23, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Interest, possibly. But time, no, not right now, I'm afraid. Sorry. Regards, El_C 13:26, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Don't worry, thank you anyway, especially for the prompt reply! Best, Gitz (talk) (contribs) 13:27, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

September music

Feeling blue

September songs

1 September: I remember the Vespro della Beata Vergine, 2 September: the last of the Rheingau Musik Festival concerts, and today we can read The Story of Mr Sommer, and follow Ruth Lapide. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:34, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Cool, but where's the fusion?  Done 121 btw. El_C 17:35, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

a rainbow pic today, and a deer yesterday (but hard to see) - Jubilate Deo - could you please do Psalm 35? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

No, I can't see it, but ask SFR about his blurry Bambi. That is an ambitious rainbow, though. 35  Done btw. El_C 01:50, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Blurry is better than not there, which is what it will be when I'm hunting. :( ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:53, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

No, that's illegal! El_C 01:57, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

I am fully licensed and have tags! You can't tell me what to do! YOU'RE NOT MY REAL MOM! ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:02, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I am! Also, I'm doubtful that you can get a license to hunt Bambi, as opposed to an adult doe. But if you were to hunt the adult doe and orphan Bambi, you'd be a villain. Like, a Disney villain par excellence. El_C 02:12, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

The tags are for antlered and antlerless, so technically I could shoot that fawn. Also, I'm basically Van Pelt, and I like to think of myself as an antihero, rather than a villain. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:17, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Semantics. Bambi's the protagonist and you are the antagonist, you can't pretty it. Yikes, though. Those laws are whack. El_C 02:21, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

When our hunting season for deer takes place it's beyond being a fawn, and will be out of spots. The antlerless tags are assigned by lottery, and used to manage the population. Also, no sportsman wants to waste a tag on a tiny deer. I've seen at least three large bucks on my trail camera, and I'd much rather take one or two of them and leave the doe. It's all moot though, since I only see deer from my blind when I'm hunting turkey. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:28, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Okay, there's hope for you yet. I see, that conservation approach makes sense (or could, at least). El_C 02:41, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

The North American model of wildlife conservation is actually pretty good. Wildlife populations are strong and well maintained. Again, it's all beside the point because I'm cursed to never see a deer in season. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 02:46, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

I'll take your word for it. I never hunted and have no interest in doing so, though I would if I had to. The only times I fired guns in NA were in the gun range (and Counter-Strike). El_C 03:03, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

You can rest easy knowing that I don't hunt for the sport of it. I'm interested in providing as much food for my wife and I as possible. Deer hunting is also the most boring shit in the world. I probably answered 200 edit requests while hunting last year. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 03:12, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Oh, I knew that. But that (WP:ER) is funny. As for me, I hunt campers. El_C 03:22, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Hey, it's a legitimate strategy! Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:36, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Back to the beginning: thank you for Psalm 35, next Psalm 37 (40 verses though). Today, at the New Synagogue, I heard songs from the heart of Israel, sung by Shai Terry in Hebrew, German, English and French. No written program. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:06, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Nice vocals. Wow, 40 lines?! El_C 15:58, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

37 done. El_C 19:11, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! The rose pic was taken on 11 Sep 2021, and this year was full of music that day, Tag des offenen Denkmals, not only singing in church and rehearsals for Verdi's Requiem, but two concerts at special places pictured, one a synagogue (pictured on its wall). Today three DYK: a piece we'll perform on Sunday (a Psalm 100 setting), a violinist we heard in June playing the Berg Concerto, and a Youth Orchestra shaped by a conductor who recently died. Almost too much of a good thing. - I'll fix Psalm 37 after this round. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:16, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Psalm 37 taken with thanks! And noticed that Psalm 38 has no Hebrew yet, - shorter! --

Nice. A Requiem by any other name... Erm: 38 Done. El_C 15:31, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. For yesterday's ceremony in London, they chose Psalm 139. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:20, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

I got most of Psalm 41 done - just music missing, but will go out now. Hebrew please when you get to it. Did you see, admirer of St. Martin, the latest video (organ of the month), under the externals? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:07, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

 Done. BTW, the King James Version is missing the first line. Is that in the original or an oversight specific to that page? Yes, I love that organ! Now we just need to hook it up to a Leslie and we're golden. El_C 14:11, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

It's quite often that the KJV has no description of by whom for what occasion, and thus different numbering. Sad, but can't be helped. Quirky: the video of my one choral conductor was taken by the other choral conductor ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:29, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

We still miss Psalm 40, "I waited patiently ...", or did I miss something? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:05, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Oh, it's not sad to me. ;) Nice, a fellow organist, too, I see.

I don't know what happened with 40. The Mamre site shows that I at least looked at it, but no idea. Either way:  Done. El_C 16:57, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! - Today, we sang old music for two choirs at church, pictured, scroll to the image of the organ of the month of the Diocese of Limburg --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:01, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Cool. Might need a few Leslies, though, it's a biggun! El_C 03:06, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

thank you - Elyakim Haetzni: there's not much more about him in German but in Hebrew, - could you add a bit? ... then I'd take him to Recent deaths. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:15, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, no can do. I'm busy too today, though for other reasons. El_C 12:13, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

One of the next days would be enough, let's say 4. Another psalm setting today - first sung today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:29, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Honestly, I don't know if I wanna do that, and I am definitely not into nominating anything to WP:ITNC. But I am open to reviewing it when you think it's ready. El_C 12:47, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

I said I'd nominate. But not translate. I'll see what I find in a language I can read which is not Hebrew. Nothing today - I do only one per day, and am actually "booked" for the month just making an exception on days like today, doing one I didn't know would exist. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:07, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, I misread about the nom. But more bluntly still: I don't like speaking ill of recently deceased persons whom, to put it delicately, I'm not a fan of. Be they the late Queen or this Israeli ultranationalist. There would usually have to be some greater urgency for me to do content work that features them. El_C 13:17, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

"ultranationalist" now told me enough, - I didn't get that from my very brief look --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:29, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

travel and strings sound --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:57, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Changed today for a singer from Ukraine I saw in two operas - Psalm 44 when you have time, please --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:16, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm busy, but I'll make tyme. Cool, I like A Midsummer Night's Dream. BTW, last edit is a pet peeve of mine. Like, New York, New York, USA — USA, you don't say. El_C 16:25, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

44 Done. El_C 16:36, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

thank you, next will be Psalm 48 - last images for September, music to explore, a Ukrainian baritone first, and the new Casals Forum for chamber music is just wonderful. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:05, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Hey. Sorry for the lag, I'll try to get to 48 later today. What do you recommend I listen to first / direct link? El_C 14:40, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Now my lag: just returned from dress rehearsal Verdi Requiem, couldn't sing last page, too emotional. - Listen to that, perhaps. Our soprano soloist was born in Jerusalem, Talia Or, she has a very delicate pppp in highest register. Bass is Johannes Hill. Now I need food (which means make it), and movement outside. Will be back later to promote that a pic I took is on the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:12, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Ohh — *virtual hug* Quite beautiful interior. But no direct link to music, still? I hope you realize, we're enemies now. El_C 16:25, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Don't expect a link when I'm hungry. Will take a few hours. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:45, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm getting hangry, too. Time for lunch. El_C 16:47, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

I had looked if there was a YT of Talia Or, but no. I knew there was none of the baritone, nor any in the new concert hall. Here's something similar to what we'll do tomorrow, and here some of Thomanerchor with their new conductor. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:49, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Need updates

A little inspiration. Atsme 💬 📧 01:07, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

hand-chipmunks, groundhogs w/chipmunks, squirrels, hand-sparrows, maybe hummingbirds? I am desperate, and need some Zen...or yin yang interaction. Atsme 💬 📧 00:49, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Wow, very nice pic! Anyway, maybe I would, except... Commons. They kinda fuckin' hate me there. My last interaction at that special, special place involved an admin who was openly mocking my, well, 🐿️ pics (diff). Well, sorry I don't have any pr0n to contribute. Yet! Cheers! El_C 04:14, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Awww...well, Commons can be finicky at times so upload your image file locally using the upload file feature in the left Contribute margin and check keep local. Meanwhile, enjoy! Atsme 💬 📧 12:42, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

But image export is scary. El_C 15:11, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

Fear not...I will help you. Atsme 💬 📧 19:10, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm stupid! El_C 05:36, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

It appears you may have something heavy weighing on your mind to be so harsh on yourself. Will your long music menu be appearing soon? 🎼🎶🎵🎹🎤 Atsme 💬 📧 04:46, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Re: collaboration with haters

Just to follow up on your reply on the now-closed thread, you make a good point about being expected to collaborate with people who hate you. I hadn't thought of that, and I doubt I fully appreciate it, either, because I drift about here so much that I don't really ever interact with anyone for an extended period of time; people who are more focused probably feel the effects of that disruption a lot more than I do. I appreciate you taking the time to engage with and teach me; I'll need to reflect on these issues some more, and hope I'll be wiser for it. Thanks a bunch! —Compassionate727 ^(T·C) 18:29, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Compassionate727, for your thoughtful response. It's very much appreciated. I'm glad we've had this dialogue. Your compassionate disposition does you credit (*pun* intended!). All the best, El_C 18:38, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

coup de grâce?

Would you be so kind as to close this? Put it out of my misery? -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 12:36, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Close, probably not, but I did make a brief comment. El_C 14:24, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

ECP downgrade on "Kundali Bhagya" request

Per edit comment requesting reminder, this particular page was given ECP at diff 1093897347. Request to reverse to Confirmed Protection only as there are issues such as generous lack of citations throughout and lack of manual of style usage that require blanking. Issue is raised by me in related page talk section. If ECP downgrade is not recommended, someone can make the required and sweeping edits. MJHTrailsolid (talk) 23:06, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for the reminder, MJHTrailsolid. El_C 23:23, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Remove protection

Remove protection of Kherson Oblast (Russia) and Zaporozhye Oblast (Russia) User:Volunteer Marek is damaging those articles. Anon-ymousTrecen (talk) 15:06, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Anon-ymousTrecen, no, the protections are needed. As for Volunteer Marek, the thread at WP:ANI is currently live, so I'm not inclined to split the discussion. Also, you being an editor with such brief tenure advancing a pro-Russian position is suspect. Request declined. El_C 15:12, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Please don't increase protection i work lot for those Kherson Oblast (Russia) and Zaporozhye Oblast (Russia) pages (User:Volunteer Marek is damage page and trying to delete page without distractions.) i am new user i unable to edit page after protection increase. (And iam not pro-russia) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anon-ymousTrecen (talk • contribs) 15:33, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Well, regardless, my stance on the protection increase is the same as my stance on the original protection. Request declined, again. Also, please stop pinging Volunteer Marek to this thread. I'm sure they've seen it by now. El_C 15:37, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

I want to know about Wikipedia user levels Anon-ymousTrecen (talk) 16:05, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Anon-ymousTrecen, see WP:RIGHTS. El_C 16:31, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you sir Anon-ymousTrecen (talk) 16:44, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Jargo Nautilus AE case

Hi El C, after some time off, there is now new edit warring of changes in ([8][9][10][11][12]), and the lengthy use of talkpages as WP:FORUMs ([13][14]) has restarted. Furthermore, the name-calling and and aspersions have continued ([15]), so it would be really great if this would cease. At any rate, given there is current disruption, if the AE case is to remain unclosed, would it be forum shopping to post on WP:AN/EW regarding the new edit warring? I ask as you are the most involved admin in that AE case, if you would want to decline to answer please let me know and I can ask elsewhere. Best, CMD (talk) 16:06, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Let's just say that if I was allowed to, I would have had recourse to JM talk page by now (this is also partly related ARBPEE).Selfstudier (talk) 16:21, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

CMD, no, I'm unlikely to do anything further wrt to him. Upon reflection, I probably overdid it on his talk page for me to feel comfortable taking the lead now. But hopefully, my comments there and at AE will be useful to other reviewers. As for your forum shopping question, I don't think it would count as a violation of it, so long as you make a note of it to, and at, the ongoing AE complaint. HTH. Regards, El_C 16:29, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, not a problem. I asked them to self-revert (not sure whether they're on 4 or 5 now), so I'll give some time. I would prefer that to opening a board case. CMD (talk) 17:36, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

I_C

I loled, nableezy - 19:23, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Nice, I think I should introduce you to EI C. El_C 19:32, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Puyi photo

Hi, it was me that changed the photo. I think it doesn't matter all that much if it gets changed to something else. Wondering if you could unlock. There's a far more silly matter of users deleting sources relating to his sexuality because it upsets them.

Wonder if you could unlock or have a look at the edits by Jadetemple.

Thanks Menacinghat (talk) 20:27, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

This is the what? El_C 23:22, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

The Puyi Wikipedia page Menacinghat (talk) 23:29, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Oh, right, the emperor. Sure, np: Unprotected. El_C 23:48, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Russia ECP protection reminder

Per reminder request. Best, CMD (talk) 06:53, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for the reminder, CMD. El_C 11:59, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Re: Bad fanfiction

Long time no see! I enjoyed your comments on the talk page for our Rings of Bezos article, but you'll forgive me for not wanting to touch any of this "viewer reaction" stuff on that page. Said stuff, AFAIAC, is the result of Amazon engaging in tokenism and placing their fanfic characters, many of whom are played by Black actors, front and centre in the marketing, with the clear intent that (a) the "anti-woke" crowd would add their voices to the existing nervousness surrounding Amazon creating Tolkien fanfiction that, in the minds of the general public, will now surely overwrite Tolkien's own writings, and (b) this reaction then be used by Amazon to smear everyone who is nervous as a cyber-fascist. Given that I was already sceptical about the show before anyone was complaining about supposedly colour-blind casting (as I was about those awful Hobbit movies), and that I had myself been targeted by such cyber-fascists (back before the Trump era, when they were just called trolls) on this very site, you will surely appreciate why I find such shenanigans absurd and more than a little offensive.

As for why I say "tokenism" and "supposedly" colour-blind casting, it's pretty obvious that they cast white actors to play Galadriel, Elrond, Gil-galad, Isildur, Annatar, et al. is because they consider whiteness to be a core component of their characters rather than something incidental that doesn't matter. I enjoy the acting in The Mahabharata (1989 film), and IMO the only problem with that film's colour-blind casting is that it largely consisted of a white director hiring white actors to play characters who are traditionally portrayed as ethnically Indian, but they didn't leave Indians out of the cast, and there are Africans and "East Asians" in prominent roles too, not to mention that of the three full-brothers who lead the cast two are white and one is Black, which can be read as a powerful statement on the arbitrariness of "race". The present show, meanwhile, while it can claim the fact that its (mostly white?) producers have cast people of colour in roles that a "traditional interpretation" to be white as a point in its favour over The Mahabharata (where a "non-white story" was made "more white"), it still seems to have made all the non-fanfic, non-background characters white, and I've seen no evidence that this was done for any reason other than that the showrunners consider whiteness to be a more integral part of, for example, Galadriel's character than her being a representative of the Virgin Mary in Tolkien's Catholicism.

Anyway, I agree with you that the writing is poor and feels like bad fanfiction in places. But I have my doubts as to whether any Hollywood screenwriter -- even one experienced at writing good fanfiction -- is capable of writing dialogue like But how shall a man discover whether that time be come or no, save by daring the Door? or Alas that a fey mood should fall on a man so greathearted in this hour of need! If anyone could, they'd be ostracized by the industry long before they were allowed anywhere near a franchise that cost its studio a billion dollars. It seems pretty obvious that Amazon realized their mistake too late to back out completely but not to late to adopt the marketing strategy described in the preceding paragraph.

Anyway, sorry for the rant.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 23:49, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

No, not at all, Hijiri 88. This is a safe space for rants! ;) Race in Tolkien's mythos (or legendarium as he called it) was always geography based, but even at a relatively young age, I remember it bothering me that blacks (in the south) were depicted in such a negative way. So I don't at all mind modernizing that by adding people of colour all over Middle Earth / Arda. And I also don't at all mind heroines over heroes. On the contrary. I'm currently 2/3 into Green Rider, whose protagonist, Karigan, is a young woman. And I'm liking it a lot. Good character, good world building. I don't mind authors whose politics lean right in fiction, so long as the story isn't expressly reactionary.

I'm biased though, so left and right are not the same to me in that sense. So, when left politics are more overt, like, say, with Terry Brooks' Word & Void trilogy (which has a female lead btw, Nest), that's fine, and those are great. But I didn't even know the other Terry, Terry Goodkind, was politically reactionary (libertarian) until years later when I read it in passing. And I still kept buying his books even after, because they're really good. I also liked the Sam Raimi TV adaptation Legend of the Seeker (++ BDSM!). Which ties to Green Rider as its top review on the sleeve is by Goodkind himself. It's likely that him and Kristen Britain are friends, because the main river in the book is called "Terrygood" (lol!).

But tokenism is a good term for this advent of poorly-written, unlikable female characters in many series and films. Female characters that don't really grow because there isn't much stakes. That, coupled with all men being bad, or cowards, or simply tokens to prop up the female leads (unless the men are of colour), almost always results in unwatchable trash. I think the reason for that is the corporate execs hire terrible people like themselves to write these. People who, like themselves, are imitation-progressives. Largely, mercifully, I haven't seen that trend extend to books (though not to jinx it!). The thing about Karigan, Kristen Britain's female lead in Green Rider, for example, is that she is vulnerable, but hardships makes her fierce, and she ultimately preserves. More of those female leads, please! Anyway, good to see you and thanks for sharing your thoughtful thoughts (as always). All the best, El_C 00:38, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Check out To Sleep in a Sea of Stars for some decent female lead, and an alien bioweapon suit. The Gap Cycle also has excellent female characters.

The rings of bezos definitely isn't great, but so far I think it's fine. It's got swords and such. I think part of the casting for the main characters is that they're trying to make them look somewhat similar to the actors in the Jackson movies, so they can benefit a bit from fans of those movies. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:02, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

The Rings of Bezos — lol! I gotta use that! Again, unlike many of those who are critical of the show, I was entertained (it doesn't take much to entertain me, though), but I still found it to be trash. Thanks for the books recommends, I'll definitely keep those in mind, though I might order the remaining three Green Rider novels first. El_C 01:12, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Hijiri 88 used the Rings of Bezos above, so they get credit for that. I think I mentioned The Gap Cycle to you before. Best books I've ever read, though emotionally exhausting at times. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:17, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Shit, I missed that, and I thought I read it closely. :( El_C 01:24, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but now there's no other option but for you to resign you admin tools for the crime of giving attribution for an amusing phrase to the wrong person. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:42, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

To quote James Randal: I'm scared. El_C 01:45, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

I think my biggest critique is that evil returned from hiding literally the same week the elf King is like "Yep, officially no more evil. Call back all of the evil-looker-out-forers." And the sailers moving ropes scene was pretty trash. "Quick! Unlash the rope, pull on it when it's tied off to a pulley that can't possibly work, then relash it!" And gratuitous slow motion horse riding along a beach with a fierce smile.

Okay, maybe it's not very good. :/ ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:07, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

I think, on average, episode 3 actually had more okay'ish scenes than the first 2 episodes (which, in itself, is a blunder), but yeah, as I was saying, it's trash. Refactoring from here. Scene from episode one (verbatim).

Elrond: But Galadriel, as a friend, I wanna know how you're doing.

Galadriel: Get fucked. I wanna speak to your manager!

//And... scene. El_C 23:17, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

But as I was also saying, there's also some great talent pool, but they're just being wasted by terrible writing and absurd character motivations. And not just the cast is wasted. For eg., Bear McCreary is amazing (song spam refactor), but what is with all the repetition? And not everything needs to be orchestral. Jeesh. El_C 23:24, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Just finished the episode and all I could think of was the "you tried" gold star comic sans ms meme. Also, I think of you can single chop through a 2 for diameter log in a single swing, you could probably just hulk out of the chains. I also laughed out loud at the warg.

On the topic of tokenism, I get they want more representation, but getting it by giving the white main characters non-white children seems weird. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:48, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

That orc was, like, you killed my service warg! El_C 00:55, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

• Thank you both for the above (I enjoyed your replies, but I can't remember if I used the "thank" function at the time). I wasn't going to come back to this (I found Wikipedia's coverage of modern Hollywood toxic before Donald Trump was even elected -- ask me about the textual plagiarism, OR, and huge chunks of articles based almost entirely on first-party PR materials in our "Marvel Cinematic Universe" articles, and my disastrous attempts to clean them up, sometime...). But now that the season is almost over and seemingly an ever larger segment of at least Tolkien fandom and professional critics (if not reflected in the TomatoMeter, where everything other than "I hate this show and everyone involved in it" constitutes praise and acclaim) have come around to a viewpoint approximating my own, and that the writers all but admitted in the show that they had forgotten who Celeborn was because he was barely in the Peter Jackson films (and seemingly both Ian McKellen and Cate Blanchett, if not Peter Jackson, forgot about him about him when making those Hobbit movies[16]). But I've been reading the Carpenter Letters anthology, and I noticed that in Letter 45 Tolkien essentially calls out a near-contemporary of his (some amateur painter named Adolf) as a "ruddy little ignoramus" who was only pretending to be interested in Germanic mythology as a pretext to advance his own political agenda. Given what some crypto-fascists have been claiming ("I've totally always been into Tollkien [sic] and am appalled by what Amazon are doing to his legacy"), I had a bit of a chuckle at that passage. (And yeah, I know those fascists are an increasingly small minority of people criticizing the show. But it was still somewhat upsetting when one of their videos showed up in my YouTube recommendations because as far as the YouTube robots are concerned fascist posers are totally the same thing as Tolkien fans who like the colour-blind casting and were cautiously optimistic about this show right up until it came out and was pretty bad.) Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:58, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

I sort of ranted further about this subject here. But the short of it is that Incest Dragons has good writing and experienced showrunners, whereas Amazon inexplicably gave Bored of the Rings to inexperienced, pretentious writers and showrunners that rank high on the Dunning–Kruger scale. And they are now in panic mode, leading to hilarious contradictions: on the one hand, professing to love the Tolkien mythos, but at the same time, also calling it fascist-adjacent. Ultimately, though, these imitation-progressives can blame the viewers and virtue signal till the cows come home, but they cannot not conceal the naked reality. It being that a soap opera, even the most expensive one in history, will always fall short when it tries for immersion.

That's because dumbing down everything isn't immersive, fundamentally so. Even at the unconscious level, jumping off a ship hundreds of miles from, well, anywhere — is super-dumb. Or surviving direct contact with a pyroclastic flow (and keeping one's hair, even) — is also super-dumb. The showrunners' latest panic (at the Hollywood Reporter IIRC), calling criticism of the show (without qualifications!) "patently evil" shows the kind of people they truly are: hollow and wholly devoid of reflection no matter what. It reminds me of the latest underhanded attempts to paint Amber Heard as a victim (at Jezebel IIRC) despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. That's because evidence and substance isn't something that matters to them.

No one does more damage to genuine progressives than these fakers. But that's not a new thing. There's countless examples: like, Hillary Clinton praising the incumbent Italian PM, neo-fascist Giorgia Meloni, solely because she's a woman. And so on and so forth, it ebbs and flows, taking new forms, as it has since time immemorial. El_C 16:26, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Heads up

Hi El C - you closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mahsa Amini earlier today. I've just CU-blocked a bunch of the more active contributors - I haven't read through the discussion, just letting you know in case you want to revisit your close. Cheers Girth Summit _(blether) 13:39, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Oh, I already discounted most if not all of em, I just didn't bother making note of it in my close. I learned about that AfD in the first place from the ANI complaint titled: Sock puppetry and canvassing at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mahsa Amini, so was already cognizant of the many {{spa}} / {{canvass}} tags, etc. But thanks for the notice. El_C 14:03, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

LTA 米記123

New sock, Special:Contributions/203.145.95.0/24.--MCC214#ex umbra in solem 09:50, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

MCC214, can you narrow the range more? There's a bit too much collateral. Oh, forgot, pings disabled. El_C 12:55, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

This link spammer use new range to spam and DE,but you can only block Special:Contributions/203.145.95.17,because I feel so large,more IP is not vandal.--MCC214#ex umbra in solem 09:41, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

 Done. Yeah, much of the collateral is recent, like, today even, hence my reservations. El_C 14:37, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks

Hey, hope you're doing well. Many thanks for handling my RPP at Turkish war of independence, i already asked for protection yesterday, but it was declined and that allowed the disruption to keep going. Cheers.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 17:23, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Hey np. I've protected that page 8 out of the 20 times it's been protected over the years (double that of the runner up, EdJohnston), so I think I got a pretty good sense of its long term ebb and flow. As for the decline yesterday: I wouldn't hold it against an admin who did not have the benefit of my experience with the history of the page. Regards, El_C 17:39, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Absolutely, i have no problem with the decline, as it is at admins' discretion, i just wanted to give a perspective as to why the disruption continued. Best.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:56, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Akshay Kumar

Can you please proceed by reverting the blocked user's last edit which was in violation of WP:CON anyway? I don't want it to look like an edit war in the page's history. Shahid • ^Talk2me 15:13, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Oh, it's pure WP:PROMO, so it'd be fine. But sure np. El_C 15:15, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

ECP ERE

Could you please upgrade the protection of the ERE page to ECP for three months? I am concerned about war editing from AutoCon users. Such as standards of ERE, I reverted Pktlaurence's edit because it is a Palaiologos' standard. Phaisit16207 (talk) 18:52, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Users as in plural? El_C 06:10, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes. Phaisit16207 (talk) 09:18, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Links? El_C 14:05, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

what is link? Phaisit16207 (talk) 14:59, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Links, plural. I was asking for links of all the confirmed users your above comment references. El_C 15:02, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

[17], is this your link? Phaisit16207 (talk) 15:02, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

No, to their usernames, or preferably their contribs. Like so: Special:Contributions/Phaisit16207, Special:Contributions/El_C, etc. El_C 15:22, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/Pktlaurence Phaisit16207 (talk) 18:18, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Phaisit16207, you already mentioned that user in your opening, so that isn't new information. Above, I had asked you: users as in plural? Meaning, more than one, to which you said: yes. Therefore, the original question remains: who else, besides Pktlaurence, were you referring to?

Look, I'll be blunt. I'm not sure I'm able to convey all of this to you any more clearly. I'm sorry to say, but there's a limit to how many times I can repeat the same query in different ways. Though I understand that I might have been too terse at times. The thing is that the protection policy ordinarily limits me from upgrading a protection due to just one single user.

I'll put it to you this way, then: if you still can't answer me after all of this, you're probably gonna need to take this request and any future ones elsewhere. I'm not sure if it's a language barrier or what, but when someone knows something in advance that I don't, I expect for them to provide that info to me when they ask for my help. Which usually saves me time. But in this case, it hasn't as we've just been going around in circles. So, to repeat one more time: which (auto)confirmed user, besides Pktlaurence, were you referencing? Good luck. El_C 23:35, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Hmm yes, I referred him only, it isn't plural, but he edited so much. Phaisit16207 (talk) 05:15, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Phaisit16207, like I implied last time, your command of the English language probably isn't good enough for the English Wikipedia, so you should maybe consider contributing to a different language project. Also, Pktlaurence is not autoconfirmed, they've been an extended-confirmed user since 2016, so upgrading the protection would have had no effect on them. Thanks. El_C 11:09, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

OK, also thanks, but I'm sorry, I'm not a native English speaker. Phaisit16207 (talk) 11:33, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm not a native English speaker, either, but you need to be able to communicate effectively in English nevertheless. El_C 11:36, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Revision deletion at 2022 Raleigh shooting

The edit in question was definitely POV pushing that needed to be reverted. But why do you think that it was so egregious that it needed to be revision deleted? I am not seeing it. Cullen328 (talk) 05:41, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

I just don't think grandstanding like that during a tragedy is appropriate, but feel free to undo if you think different. I have no objection. El_C 06:07, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

According to WP:REVDEL, RevisionDelete was introduced for administrators in 2010. The community's endorsement of the tool included a very strong consensus that its potential to be abused should be strictly barred, prevented by the community, and written into the policy. Especially, RevisionDelete does not exist to remove "ordinary" offensive comments and incivility, or unwise choices of wording between users, nor to redact block log entries. Material must be grossly offensive, with little likelihood of significant dissent about its removal. Otherwise it should not be removed. Administrators should consult as usual if uncertain that a revision would be appropriate to redact.. Please explain how this specific content meets that standard. Thanks. Cullen328 (talk) 06:15, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

What is unclear to you in my above reply? El_C 06:29, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

What is unclear to me is why you concluded that the edit in question met the clear established standards for revision deletion. Is "grandstanding" or any synonym mentioned? All I am asking for is a clear and direct explanation for the action you took as an administrator. Cullen328 (talk) 06:37, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

The matter of what is offensive or disruptive and any terms used to describe these are subject to one's own interpretation of said policy. But I undid the action, since I'm getting the sense that you were not gonna do it, but rather, want to keep arguing over semantics. El_C 06:49, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

I am not interested in arguing but rather in explanations. Since it seems to me that you have chosen evasion instead of a forthright answer, I will just move on. Take care. Cullen328 (talk) 06:57, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

That, too, is subject to interpretation. See ya. El_C 06:58, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Sock disruption leading to page protection

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Venkat TL p-blocked for one week from the 2022 Himachal and Gujarat Legislative Assembly elections. This discussion is otherwise closed. El_C 00:10, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

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Hi, The disruption due to Jinnah47 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) and his previous incarnation Gidua (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) was the primary reason for me to seek page protection of 2022 Gujarat Legislative Assembly election and 2022 Himachal Pradesh Legislative Assembly election. His modus operandi is to harass me and revert my edits. Seeing that the SPI was pending for 8 days, I felt page protection was needed to minimize his disruption. Incidentally he managed to sneak in his edits in both the articles before protection was applied and block. Now the sock is blocked but his edits remain on both fully protected page. Please see if you can revert his sock edits in the protected pages per WP:SOCKSTRIKE. Venkat TL (talk) 17:30, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Right, I saw that, but at 2022 Gujarat Legislative Assembly election, Het666 supports those edits and they are extended-confirmed. And likewise, at 2022 Himachal Pradesh Legislative Assembly election with TheWikiholic who supports those edits. So in either instance, WP:ECP wouldn't have worked. El_C 18:07, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

@El C Please downgrade protection to ECP so that socks are kept out. Not contributors. Since yesterday our Edit request on HP Election talk page is waiting for an admin but they all seem to be busy and overworked. Venkat TL (talk) 18:11, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

I mean, I guess, but that'll mean blocks for extended-confirmed users who continue the edit war, yourself included. But, sure, I'm fine with that. El_C 18:14, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes. please downgrade. Venkat TL (talk) 18:16, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm only seeing one pending edit request, at Talk:2022 Himachal Pradesh Legislative Assembly election#Election_Schedule, but as mentioned there, I didn't know where to add it. It was just mentioned somewhat in isolation, even though I recognize that there's support for it. El_C 18:21, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Either way, now Done. El_C 18:30, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

• Thank you. The edit request should have made it clear, it was request to be added to 2022_Himachal_Pradesh_Legislative_Assembly_election#Schedule. I have now added it. Regarding the full protection, this is an ongoing event and full protection is unworkable because the article gets frozen with no updates. This is a controversial article and 'any user' who refuse to follow the WP:DISPUTERESOLUTION and WP:CONSENSUS policies to push their edits without consensus would need to follow the rules or should be blocked for editing warring without consensus. Venkat TL (talk) 10:03, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Hey, if you're able to work that out, all power to you. But these pages are not subject to the Consensus required rule, so while WP:ONUS is preferred, you would not be exempt from the edit warring policy in pursuit of that. Just so we're perfectly clear. El_C 11:12, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

I have reached out and asked for cooperation from other page contributors on their user talk. Special:Diff/1116405200, Special:Diff/1116103537/1116405678, Special:Diff/1116201605/1116405546. Yes, I understand I am not special. I am seeing WP:CRP for the first time. I have read WP:CONSENSUS and similar pages. I had always assumed that consensus is needed to make controversial edits. After reading this page CRP I think this is very much needed on this page, after what has transpired in last 4-5 days. Please help me understand, How to get this restriction on that page? Would you be willing to put this restriction? or should I start a talk page thread to get support for this CRP. Venkat TL (talk) 11:51, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

I mean, you can propose it, I suppose, and if there's overwhelming consensus for it, you could present that to a noticeboard. But, no, I'm not willing to do so for these page/s. Disputes would have to be not simply severe, but extreme for that to happen. Generally, it isn't really imposed that much anymore as it has proven too challenging to enforce. I don't think I've imposed one myself in 2022 and I don't know anyone else who has. El_C 12:02, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I have requested to increase the protection level based on the disruptive editing including Venkat TL. Venkat TL has restored his preferred version since you decreased the protection as you can see here and here. Do you think this is something that can be allowed in the middle of an ongoing discussion 1 2 that's also on two pages where Discretionary Sanction is effective? As there is no deadline to update an article I think the request of Venkat TL to reduce the protection level was only meant to restore his preferred version. TheWikiholic (talk) 18:53, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Talk page protection

Thank you for protecting User talk:LilianaUwU but I am wondering why you changed the protection to not expire when usually talk pages are not protected indefinitely. Qwv (talk) 09:34, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

My comment at RfPP can be read here. El_C 09:37, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Good to know and it seems like a reasonable explanation. Qwv (talk) 09:40, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate your support, Qwv. El_C 16:47, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Siege of Janjira (1682)

Hello sir, Before editing that page I have resourched alot from historical sources as Before bringing it on article page I have followed instructions given by other administrator who previously reverted my editing after he gives me guidance that I should bring my sources on talk page and if no one objectify then after some days i can edit article page myself by adding my references and that what i done after nearly 4 days. i have edited page.I told administrator to check my editing all edited correctly but that's only one mistake was done by me that i was able to put in on reference section but somehow it's not edited correctly because i am new on Wikipedia platform.So if you can edit that correctly please do so and restore my edit on article page also.Thank you Prathmesh Bhale (talk) 20:16, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Prathmesh Bhale, it's a volunteer project, so help happens when it does, and sometime it doesn't. But placing the page at a state of disrepair is still not an improvement to it. If you're having a challenging time trying to figure something out, maybe try the WP:TEAHOUSE for introductory stuff, like correct formatting for citations, and so on. El_C 20:31, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for protecting, but ...

Hello El C, thank you for having protected "Philip H. Dybvig": If the text you used

Violations of the biographies of living persons policy: It is potentially WP:LIBEL to only use WP:PRIMARY sources (like WP:TWITTER) for WP:BLPCRIME claims. WP:SECONDARY sources are required for this ([Edit=Require autoconfirmed or confirmed access] (expires 13:25, 27 October 2022 (UTC)) [Move=Require autoconfirmed or confirmed access] (expires 13:25, 27 October 2022 (UTC)))

is a standard text, please think about inserting the word "reliable" before the link "WP:SECONDARY". Otherwise, forget this remark. Thanks. --Himbeerbläuling (talk) 20:16, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, I just drafted that on the spot. Thanks. El_C 20:34, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Arbpee

Just checking, are these articles now 30/500 (like Arbpia without the 1RR)? Selfstudier (talk) 10:28, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

I would have also accepted Arbpeepee. Anyway, WP:GS/RUSUKR only, not the entirety of of WP:ARBEE. El_C 15:30, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Gracias! Selfstudier (talk) 15:58, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

I struck a !vote in an RM by a non ECP editor and cited WP:GS/RUSUKR. The closer commented "there's no notice placed on the talk page to inform non-extended-confirmed editors about the non-participatory role they have on internal project discussions (including Requested Moves)."

Is there a thing for that? Selfstudier (talk) 10:11, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Selfstudier, no, I don't think those templates have been created yet. History: The proposal's original intent was to have the GS immediately subsumed by ARBEE. But, once approved, no one wanted to actually take steps to do that because the WP:ARCA template is annoying. Meanwhile, ToBeFree started temporarily logging these at WP:AEL, using the WP:GS/RUSUKR shortcut as a redirect to the approved proposal at AN/I. But then Barkeep49 didn't want, so the page was created thusly. El_C 10:25, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Wasn't just me. In a discussion several other Arbs agreed that Arbcom needed to do some kind of consent for it to happen. I think if it's requested there would still be a willingness but as el c says someone would have to use the arca template. Barkeep49 (talk) 11:30, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Which no one likes! El_C 11:36, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

So I just went to look at it to see if there were any easy changes I could get the committee to agree to. And a quick look at it suggests to me it's slightly less complicated than the AE template. But clearly given your feelings it could be improved. Can you give any insight about what makes it so hard to fill-out? Barkeep49 (talk) 20:23, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Hey thanks. I'm not sure I can explain it that well. Basically, I just want to say the thing without all these parameters, and if you get one of them slightly off, the entire thing doesn't display... Sorry for the low-res explanation. El_C 20:36, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Your point that it's really easy to "break" it and have it show up blank is a fair one. I wonder if there's anything we can do to make that a bit better. Barkeep49 (talk) 21:13, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

@Selfstudier: yeah... I didn't find it fair to enforce GS/RUSUKR at the end of the discussion when it should have been right from the start. I did look into seeing if arca template can be set up after the close, but decided to take a step back like dealing with the raptors at Jurassic Park. For the time being while having the template created and other gears to turn, we can put a note on affected discussions that the GS/RUSUKR is in effect. – robertsky (talk) 16:20, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

That's right, Robertsky. If a (logged) protection to a page is in effect, then the sanction regime is also in effect. So you can certainly make a note of that, with or without a template. El_C 16:52, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Need help over a difficult editor

Hey there. I'm not sure if you're admin but still. I'm trying to update some information and this one guy, he's difficult for me to work with. I know I instantly get angry and upset over edits that get reverted despite my work to help improve articles and such. I'm trying to be nice and explain my disappointment over why I defended my edits and why it shouldn't be reverted in the first place (The BRD rule) and I'm worried if he's honestly too difficult to work with him. I don't want to mention a name or whatever, IDK if I'm doing it right. He's not helping to making it a good place to edit and it's making me feel getting away from it because he's too much to me. If it gets worse, would I need a mediator? 20chances (talk) 19:30, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

20chances, sorry, I'm a too busy atm to help you with this matter. But if you need help from an admin, you can use the {{admin help}} feature. There's also the Wikipedia:Teahouse for introductory questions and Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents for intractable disputes. There's other noticeboards, as well. Good luck. HTH. El_C 20:07, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

20chances, you can find out a user's permissions as follows: Special:UserRights/El_C, Special:UserRights/20chances, etc. El_C 20:09, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

It's okay. And I appreciate the help. Just need to be sure what to do since I don't know if I'll have to do something that'll work, especially when the edits that goes on, even if I'm trying to help, turns into a complete edit war (which is something I'm trying to avoid) 20chances (talk) 20:14, 18 October 2022 (UTC)

Violation of TBan

Is this a violation of the user's topic ban? —VersaceSpace 🌃 01:17, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes. Blocked – for a period of 48 hours: User_talk:Sloppyjoes7#Block. El_C 02:01, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Block log(s) for IPs?

Do IPs not have block logs? I'm asking because as I was one-click archiving old ANI threads I came across your block of this IP [18], but there is no sign of the block when I click "block log" [19]. Am I missing something? Softlavender (talk) 02:48, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Softlavender, in that insance I range blocked the /64. Its block log is here. HTH. El_C 03:28, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

How could I not think of you

A drunk squirrel. Atsme 💬 📧 16:54, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Atsme, thanks! It looks like this squirrel has a system, though, so that might not have been the first time. That squirrel might have a problem. El_C 22:20, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

SAA, most urban parks have one. Atsme 💬 📧 22:21, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

simple request

El_C, if you're going to discuss me, please do so in a place (like, say, my talk page) where I can respond. I'd appreciate it if you didn't discuss me on a user's talk page after that user requested I don't post there (as I did for them). This is particularly relevant - and an issue of its own - when that user is using their talk page to make personal attacks on me to which I can't even reply. Should I start talking to people on my talk page about how user X is friends with indef banned user Y and may be editing on their behalf, when user X is not allowed to post on my talk? Get some admins involved in that discussion? I think this is a simple request for common courtesy and etiquette.

As to your overall question - I saw Bishonen redirect that article, clicked the 'diff', saw who and what it was, and rolled my eyes, for obvious reasons. Volunteer Marek 14:42, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

(he also announced it at 9:11 10/18 on Levivich's talk page [20] (yes for obvious reasons that's on my watchlist). My edit wasn't until 19:08 10/18. There really is no mystery here and this is just performative melodrama - he knows how I found the article and he knows why I posted on his talk; he was (and still is) using his talk page to make personal attacks against me (can you ask him to strike these?) Volunteer Marek 14:52, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

I realize that, that's why I said it was a venue in which VM can't respond. But since the discussion was already ongoing, I thought it would be informative to add that general timeline (which I don't think is in dispute). Beyond that, there's nothing further to explore there concerning yourself. But, that I still felt was worthwhile noting for the sakes of completion. And of course, you can respond here, you're doing it right now. But I should stress that I'm only really interested in this limited set of facts vis-à-vis Political editing on Wikipedia. I don't want to do a deep dive into whatever rabbit hole this undoubtedly leads to.

But even regardless of hounding, it's not a good look when you go on to repeatedly erase a +22,000 byte expansion by your perennial content opponent, in an article they had created the day before. And doing so, ostensibly, to echo Bish's earlier edit — except, she was dealing with a +1,400 byte stub. Even if we were to accept that there was no hounding per se., and that you had encountered that page in some other plausible way (which, sure), you repeatedly erased a lot of content without offering any substance about the material (+22K of material). All you said was that it needed to be discussed first. But discuss what? Discuss that it needs to be discussed? You didn't provide anything specific (that I could immediately discern, at least). This becomes doubly-problematic when it's a perennial content opponent of yours of many years. It verges on being a provocation outright, even. ←That I wouldn't say on François Robere's talk page. El_C 15:36, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

That extra content I undid wasn’t created but simply moved (forked) over from another article [21]. I think it’s quite reasonable to ask for a discussion of where this content belongs. This wasn’t any more “provocative” than Bishonen’s redirect. Volunteer Marek 17:51, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Doesn't matter, if you can't provide an objection that goes beyond stating that you object and nothing else, then it's sketchy all the same. El_C 18:07, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

The objection, clearly stated, was same as Bishonen’s; that it was a fork. FR should have started the discussion after that revert not waited till drama flared up. Volunteer Marek 18:19, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

That objection rings hollow, and it was "POVFORK," except, you didn't bother explaining why you think that to be so. And, no, it's not the same as Bish's objection, because she, unlike you, was looking at a 2-sentence stub. The way it looks to me is that you were likely trying to get a rise out of François Robere, which, again, I think is a bad look (at the least). El_C 18:30, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Which is to say: you gave François Robere no insight as to why you objected to the expanded article as a "povfork." You simply said it was, declaratively, and nothing else. That is not an objection, that is the summary of an objection. What, is François Robere expected to prove a negative by going through a list of why it isn't a povfork until they somehow hit your secret reasoning? El_C 18:52, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

My explanation was just as detailed, if not more, as Bishonen’s. Why aren’t you getting on their case? It was really up to FR to start the discussion after they reverted him rather than trying to play some silly game where he changes the title slightly and imports a bunch of material from another article to make it look like “oh it’s different now”.

As to the “hounding” accusation: please step back and think for a second. In the past 8 months, how many edits has FR made? How many of them have I reverted? Or even replied to? I’m sorry but you’re being silly. Hell, in those eight months, I’ve probably reverted people I actually *like* more than I have reverted him. You’re falling for his melodramatics. And for your own inability to be objective here.

Please ask him to strike the personal attacks on his talk page. Volunteer Marek 21:56, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

This still unsubstantive and somewhat scattered, but also increasingly combative reply, fails to address the crux of my argument (about a lack of substance, ironically). Y'know, sometime, offense isn't the best defense. And, again, simply saying things declaratively, like, you’re being silly, or, falling for his melodramatics, or, your own inability to be objective here, et cetera, etc., is ultimately more heat than light.

The problem with this evidence-less approach, with its weird whataboutism that make little sense, and its overall lack of focus, is that it tries to skirt any and all responsibility on your part. But all it truly does is muddy the waters through obfuscation or whatever. In any case, it has now become too circular for me (and kinda uncomfortably testy from you), so I'm gonna leave you to it. Do whatever. I'd only hope, though, that at some future time, you might take your own advise, detach yourself if only for a moment, pause, and reflect. El_C 22:36, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Help

Hello @El_C hope you're good. I entirely reworked the Rita Ora discography article and brought it to a good standard, which I later nominated for a featured list status. The article is currently being reviewed and I assume that it will pass the nomination. However, @Helptottt is persistently removing well-sourced content and reverting without reasonable arguments. He is continously being involved in edit wars on the subject's discography article as well as on the Rita Ora article. Is it possible for you to intervene? Many thanks in advance. Iaof2017 (talk) 18:06, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Hey, Iaof2017. Doing good, thanks. Unfortunately, though, I'm rather pressed for time for next couple of weeks. But even if I wasn't, I have virtually zero experience in anything WP:FAR or WP:FL -related. Hope it all works out amicably in the end, though. Regards, El_C 18:13, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

El C thanks anyway. Cheers! Iaof2017 (talk) 18:18, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Disruptive IP back

Hi El C, since your block of this IP expired they have returned to making edits that are solely inteded to either put the Philippines first in lists or to put Malaysia last in lists (or both?) [22][23] along with some related pointy changes. This seems persistent over a variety of articles, so sadly I don't think a partial block helps despite their unrelated and potentially productive edits to other articles. (Although according to the block log it was a proxy at least at one point, so perhaps it's multiple people?) CMD (talk) 05:38, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

I take it back about the other edits, they appear to be an unexplained campaign against the term "Roman Catholic". CMD (talk) 10:45, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

This has been resolved! Best, CMD (talk) 14:22, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Reverts by Volunteer Marek

Hello El_C, user VM have reverted two of my edits in the Snake Island article. In one of the reverts he uses a false reason on the edit summary, it's correctly sourced a Ukrainian media and Ukrainian Decree, other user have reintroduced my edit, but I know it will be short loved because Volunteer Marek with his harsh way of editing and it's uncivil behaviour always reverts without considering consensus made at talk pages. Mr.User200 (talk) 14:02, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Mr.User200, please proofread your comments, they are challenging to read. Anyway, if you reach an impasse on the article talk page wrt the reliability of sources, WP:RSN would usually be your next step in the dispute resolution process. As for lapses in WP:CIVIL: VM has been a perennial violator of that policy for many years, but nothing has been done to remedy it thus far, save for the occasional warning. And it's especially unlikely to change here, in this instance, for a number of reasons that go beyond the scope of this. El_C 16:05, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Destiny

See also: User:El C/Songs from new lands, User:El C/Songs from the homeland

A blast from the past! (circa 2002). El_C 08:40, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Longing for Home (circa 2008). El_C 11:34, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

For when just plain Distractions are afoot. El_C 16:54, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Spinning over simple things. El_C 08:17, 26 February 2021 (UTC)

Oceanic feeling

Everyone is Everyone (and Everything is Everything). El_C 23:02, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Lyrics:

(Intro) Somehow I found myself here today Awakened to these thoughts and feelings Or an oceanic sense of lucid dreaming? A strange sort of spherical sensation With an overwhelming sense of apprehension An emptiness that thunders out From beyond the mind's horizon So far beyond our reach Where consciousness coalesces Like the billowing loom of thunder clouds The streaming runs of thought goes 'Round and 'round and 'round Till the dancing funnels of wind touch down And the earth bows down in reverence Lest it should be torn to pieces And blown into oblivi-essence And all who live will run and hide And do what we’ve done since the dawn of time Everyone flees from the cyclone winds of One's own mind But if one day we should stand on the canyon’s edge Peer out through the beating rain, the pounding wind You'll find that everyone is everyone And everything is everything (Verse one) Open up Your hearts and minds 'Cause I remember Nothing One day now It all falls down But love must keep on Loving So start the show Here we go (Chorus) Dark to light The day from night A roll of a mountain A rip in the sky Turning the dust to flesh And ashes to breath A pull of a muscle A pin in the eye An initial spark To get this heart of mine pumping And another To get these feet of mine running But sadly they've just taken me To a place Where all is devoid Of your embrace So baby now we're falling Baby now you're falling Baby yeah, yeah Baby now we're falling, baby yeah Tripping and tumbling Flipping and fumbling Flowing on the rivers of sadness That have been forever rumbling But from dawn until now Of all the paths that I could have gone down Of all the valleys That I could have been flowing through In spite of all the chaos And all that has come between us How is it I still find myself Here with you (Outro) So somehow we find ourselves here today A feeling in this oceanic sense of lucid dreaming A strange sort of spherical sensation An emptiness that thunders out From beyond the mind's horizon And all of us, we run and hide Do what we've done since the dawn of time Peering out through the beating rain The pounding wind Everyone is everyone And everything is everything

Serrado. El_C 23:33, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Live with Me. El_C 23:52, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

River Man. El_C 00:05, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Memories of Spain

Tomatito & Michel Camilo (2000)

Hooni (2012)

Olivier Castellat (2010)

Stevie Wonder (2008 live)

Gary Valenciano (2017 vocals)

Chick Corea and Return to Forever (1973 original) / Live performance (date unknown, but laterer)

El_C 23:29, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Chick and Hiromi my 2p. regards. -Roxy the sycamore. wooF 16:20, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Resting: a compilation

Flite — El_C 10:06, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Void — El_C 15:01, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

What Is This — El_C 18:16, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

WhipTail — El_C 10:53, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Tell Me Where — El_C 10:03, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Nothing Nice — El_C 22:25, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Posição — El_C 10:05, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Quiet Nights — El_C 10:08, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Feel Free — El_C 02:02, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Dear Limmertz (Hello, guitar! Hello, Good Waves) — El_C 10:11, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Que Se Sepa — El_C 10:14, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Mina Do Condominio — El_C 10:04, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

On Sight — El_C 10:06, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

The return of Remix surfing

Be Honest — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Wade in the Water — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Summertime Ride — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

This Thing — El_C 22:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Barrio — El_C 16:51, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Maybe I'll be Tracer... — El_C 16:42, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

O Mary Don't You Weep — El_C 11:40, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Love Intersection — El_C 18:52, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Inside — El_C 05:46, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Cosmix — El_C 15:42, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Let Me In — El_C 15:11, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Find You — El_C 13:23, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Bossa 31 — El_C 16:36, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Recado Bossa Nova — El_C 13:01, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Just The Two Of Us — El_C 00:56, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Unless You Love Me — El_C 11:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

A New Born Day — El_C 11:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Inspiration Zone El_C 11:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Elektric City — El_C 13:50, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Kiss from a Rose — El_C 06:22, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Golden — El_C 09:13, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Mozalounge — El_C 20:47, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Sorrow — El_C 13:57, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Be With You — El_C 14:06, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Everybody Knows — El_C 10:42, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Butterfly — El_C 01:14, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Guilty Pleasure — El_C 09:13, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Blue Bossa — El_C 15:27, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

Legend — El_C 18:40, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Who — El_C 05:41, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Losing My Way ^{London (2019)} — El_C 15:05, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Love Forever — El_C 16:20, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Brother to Brother — El_C 01:48, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

'Round Midnight — El_C 06:03, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Close Your Eyes — El_C 18:13, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Shut Up 'n Play Yer Guitar

Whipping Post→Mountain Jam — El_C 23:02, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

Into the Sun — El_C 14:36, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

April — El_C 14:50, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Desire And The Comforter — El_C 04:32, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Fire on the Mountain — El_C 12:51, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

A Go Go — El_C 14:33, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Broken Promised Land — El_C 15:18, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Mediterranean Sundance / Rio Ancho — El_C 18:56, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Eternity's Breath, Pt. 1, Pt. 2 — El_C 21:37, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Say the Brother's Name — El_C 22:16, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Drifting — El_C 22:46, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

The Epic — El_C 05:19, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Little Wing — El_C 13:14, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Bold As Love — El_C 13:32, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Moonlight Sonata (3rd Movement), Tina S ^{Dr.Viossy — El_C 16:44, 28 July 2021 (UTC)}

Reba, Brother, Glide, Rift — El_C 22:08, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

How Insensitive (Wes Montgomery), Pat Martino, Grant Green — El_C 02:35, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

White Rabbit — El_C 13:00, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Telegraph Road — El_C 21:47, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Yours Is the Light — El_C 23:59, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Burning Bridges → Mudmen — El_C 13:42, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

16/16 — El_C 03:25, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Achilles Last Stand — El_C 12:07, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

La Grange — El_C 03:05, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

White Room — El_C 00:26, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Tupelo (Albert King, Pops Staples, Steve Cropper), JLH — El_C 00:49, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Mr. Soul — El_C 03:06, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

My Inspiration — El_C 12:51, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Our Spanish Love Song — El_C 20:36, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Change of Life — El_C 02:07, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Reunion — El_C 12:59, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Montevideo — El_C 02:01, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Recado Bossa Nova — El_C 02:20, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Treacherous Cretins (studio), Copenhagen (1979) — El_C 12:08, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Arabia→Hasta Siempre, Comandante→Arabia — El_C 20:59, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

Dark Star — El_C 16:42, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Tangled Up in Blue — El_C 02:27, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Face to Face (masks save lives) — El_C 13:11, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Blue Bossa — El_C 22:26, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Under the Milky Way — El_C 12:51, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Wish You Were Here (studio), Pulse — El_C 02:30, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Albert's Shuffle, His Holy Modal Majesty — El_C 14:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Cārukeśī, Sunset Road (studio) / Sunset Road (Live Art) — El_C 09:17, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Gimme Shelter — El_C 17:02, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

The Great Gig in the Sky (Pulse) — El_C 20:09, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Eyes of The World — El_C 03:46, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Morning Dew — El_C 14:26, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Blue Sky → Kind of Bird — El_C 18:23, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

I'm Troubled → Been All Around This World — El_C 14:52, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

While My Guitar Gently Weeps (JHB) — El_C 14:24, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

La Sirena — El_C 12:01, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

The Landlady — El_C 12:58, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Dope-A-Licious — El_C 00:09, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Air

Unveiled — El_C 15:36, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Portia — El_C 23:55, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

El Niño — El_C 00:29, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Jungle Strut — El_C 09:06, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Dialogos → San Lazaro — El_C 16:42, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Love Has Come Around — El_C 13:07, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

In a Sentimental Mood — El_C 14:20, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Blue Rondo à la Turk — El_C 22:06, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

La Fiesta — El_C 10:54, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes, It Has No Chance (etc.) — El_C 12:47, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Mr. Skin — El_C 13:13, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Manhã de Carnaval — El_C 21:22, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Dawn: Dawn Is A Feeling — El_C 11:22, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

In My Own Way — El_C 19:24, 25 August 2021 (UTC)

Caged Bird — El_C 10:36, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Around the Bend — El_C 15:56, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

House of the Rising Sun — El_C 00:25, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Prism #1 — El_C 11:41, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Water

Deep down → Secret Blue — El_C 18:19, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Familiar — El_C 05:54, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Feel It All Around — El_C 11:28, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

What If This Storm Ends? — El_C 18:34, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Promise — El_C 23:27, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Breathless — El_C 09:56, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Waves — El_C 17:45, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Power of Love → Vision is a Naked Sword — El_C 00:04, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Running Away — El_C 11:45, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

On a Clear Day (You Can See Forever) — El_C 23:37, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Jack-A-Roe — El_C 11:16, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Fall songspam

All Along the Watchtower — El_C 04:10, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Oh My God! — El_C 00:25, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Poetry — El_C 12:05, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Paroles, paroles ("Words, words") — El_C 02:02, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Ebatule — El_C 14:25, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Europa (Earth's Cry Heaven's Smile) — El_C 00:34, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Booty Step — El_C 11:17, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Gymnopédie No. 1 → Arabesque No. 1 — El_C 10:31, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Raat Ne Main Baandhi Chhe — El_C 15:34, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Reza, Meu Bem — El_C 23:13, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Because — El_C 12:30, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Noite Longa — El_C 18:03, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Voce Me Apereceu — El_C 05:27, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Lodger → It Starts When We Disappear — El_C 15:50, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

One More Day — El_C 00:17, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Sing Song Kitty → Bonaparte's Retreat — El_C 11:33, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

Girls Love Kehlani → Table El_C 01:46, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Kkwy — El_C 01:11, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Convoy — El_C 15:43, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Black Water (studio) → Live (1974) — El_C 08:53, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Summertime → The House of the Rising Sun — El_C 13:40, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Bossa Esfera — El_C 13:06, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Down Man — El_C 13:36, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

The High Road — El_C 02:42, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

Found You — El_C 14:16, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

Quero ver — El_C 01:22, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Raag Gawati (Dhan Dhan Bhag Hamare) — El_C 17:11, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

I Adore You — El_C 13:55, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Angola Anthem — El_C 18:40, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Dopesnotfunkae — El_C 21:26, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Descarga for Tito — El_C 18:28, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

Positive Notions — El_C 02:10, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

One — El_C 14:06, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Secret Sun — El_C 21:58, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Back Where It All Begins — El_C 14:08, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Riflessività — El_C 03:25, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Title 1 → 2 → 3 → 4 — El_C 16:39, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Tudo Que Você Podia Ser — El_C 13:54, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Necessary Discrepancy — El_C 13:21, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Way Star — El_C 09:09, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

Lament — El_C 15:09, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Lovely Day — El_C 14:00, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Alter Ego — El_C 11:48, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

עמוד האש — El_C 13:24, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

Won't Pray Adagio → Angel's Serenade — El_C 20:25, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

The Distance — El_C 18:10, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Toxic — El_C 12:58, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

I'm the Man Who Loves You → Poor Places — El_C 07:09, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Money Trees (original) → Sembari Edit → DJ Dahi & DJ Rahki: Sample masters — El_C 20:19, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Creation & Destruction — El_C 14:50, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Fuck the System — El_C 22:56, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Esperar Pra Ver — El_C 10:13, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

New Coat Of Paint — El_C 12:04, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

The Ecstasy of Gold — El_C 13:25, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

One Way — El_C 13:52, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

A Little Less Conversation — El_C 15:16, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Power in the Darkness — El_C 18:01, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

תמונה → Guitar — El_C 15:12, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Smokestack Lightning — El_C 11:42, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Ann River, Mn → Bibio Remix — El_C 10:43, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Mirror Temple — El_C 01:37, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Zoiks — El_C 15:24, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Tuyo — El_C 14:56, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

Exogenesis: Symphony Pt. 1 (Overture) — El_C 13:54, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Lotus Land → A Lotus On Irish Streams — El_C 12:02, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Romance del Diablo — El_C 13:23, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Enemy → (Worlds 2021 version → Radio edit → Orchestral/instrumental) → Guns for Hire → Goodbye — El_C 10:39, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Floral Fury — El_C 18:40, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Waking Up → VIP Extended Mix — El_C 10:00, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Solução Edit — El_C 13:30, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

אפילו דקה → Trem das Onze — El_C 14:13, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Knives Out — El_C 16:23, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Child in Time — El_C 01:16, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Free Bird (extended studio) — El_C 12:09, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Nobody Speak → Nobody Move — El_C 11:53, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Be Alright (Live at One Love Manchester) — El_C 11:39, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Victory Theme (SHADOWFOX2 Remix) → Funk Fiction Remix — El_C 14:15, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Everywhere at the End of Time (Nexpo 4-min summary) → Full album (6.5 hours) — El_C 02:14, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Intimidated — El_C 15:00, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

Seoul — El_C 11:24, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Fiona — El_C 14:52, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Sun — El_C 14:18, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Parole parole — El_C 15:10, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Breathe (2 AM) (Live) — El_C 13:11, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Dodole — El_C 16:57, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

Sacred Moment → Ammonia Clouds — El_C 11:56, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Enemy (guitar heavy) — El_C 11:17, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Every Day Is Exactly the Same (Acoustic cover) → Sam Fog vs. Carlos D Mix — El_C 12:00, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

After You — El_C 16:06, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Estate — El_C 11:07, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Prelude → Victory Fanfare (Evil Needle X OriJanus Remix) — El_C 13:51, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Winter Nights

Winter Nights (full album): Greensleeves → Inverno — El_C 05:05, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Ready To Fly — El_C 13:42, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

Sunny (Papik w Wendy Lewis) → Francesco Cofano Remix → w Peter De Girolamo (instrumental) → Bobby Hebb original — El_C 10:24, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Crazy — El_C 05:13, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Crazy — El_C 20:26, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

The Hanukkah Waltz →Christmas Oratorio (BVW 248 #41, Aria (tenor)) — El_C 14:15, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Since I've Been Loving You — El_C 21:49, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Lupin — El_C 02:01, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

Une Sulased → Kiik Tahab Kindaid — El_C 18:47, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

The Star Spangled Banner — El_C 00:40, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Wonderland — El_C 10:48, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Souffles H (Souffle Your Wig) — El_C 17:35, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

2 Hearts Together (Absolute Contrast) — El_C 10:20, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Este Amor — El_C 17:47, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Samba De Luar — El_C 11:53, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Can't Hide Love — El_C 03:19, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Nice & Slow — El_C 12:32, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Living For The Night — El_C 13:05, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

In The Morning — El_C 06:45, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Nos Vida — El_C 20:21, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

One Dream — El_C 12:04, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

Secret of the Forest (Flite) → Jordan Chin → Contraband Reloaded → Kara Comparetto — El_C 07:06, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

Grand Central Boogie — El_C 22:04, 7 January 2022 (UTC)

No Mercy → Instrumental — El_C 01:20, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Delight → Slow Down El_C 05:24, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Head Over Heels → Sowing the Seeds Of Love — El_C 13:44, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Surrender — El_C 10:32, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

No Stress →Get Down → Human Nature → Dreamy → Flowers — El_C 11:40, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

The Well-Tempered Clavier, Prelude 1 in C Major (BWV 846) — El_C 10:18, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Concerto No. 2 in F Minor, Op. 21: I. Maestoso — El_C 23:10, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

I Put A Spell On You — El_C 09:47, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

High Tide — El_C 02:00, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

פרדי על הבוקר — El_C 07:41, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Decisions (AM Intro) → You Could Be (ft. George Riley) → Quest Select (AM Outro) — El_C 15:32, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Slavery Days → I And I Survive — El_C 12:29, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Dare — El_C 16:19, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Kiss from a Rose (Heidi Jutras) → Joe McBride → Trinití → David Simmons, Jr. — El_C 16:00, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Kiss from a Rose (studio version) → Rick explains (feat. Seal) — El_C 13:18, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Crazy — El_C 15:05, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Deepstar — El_C 11:20, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

All By Myself (Glee) → w David Foster — El_C 15:29, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

Infralow — El_C 13:42, 6 February 2022 (UTC)

Jericho — El_C 12:11, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

I Guess You Get What's Coming — El_C 18:10, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed (acoustic, live 1992) → Studio version → Fillmore East, 1971 — El_C 15:58, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Open Up → Open Up (Reimagined) — El_C 00:03, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

Keep Me In Mind — El_C 11:47, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

Yellow Moon (w John Hiatt & Herbie Hancock) — El_C 01:01, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

True Faith — El_C 16:00, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

בא אלייך בלילה El_C 14:41, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

The Theme That Got Left in the Car — El_C 10:38, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Lotus Feet → India — El_C 10:07, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Revival — El_C 00:31, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Unfuckwitable — El_C 09:57, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Breathing — El_C 11:27, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Prune Gang Revival Tour → Darkseid / FULL (Soundcloud) — El_C 05:18, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Gleam → Glim → Mystic — El_C 13:18, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Bullets — El_C 10:38, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Them Changes — El_C 19:09, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Thoughts — El_C 15:29, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Eyesdown → U Just R — El_C 03:27, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

A New Life — El_C 21:03, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Press Garden Zone — El_C 15:34, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Fish — El_C 17:15, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

I'll Find My Way — El_C 07:01, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Lean On — El_C 10:01, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

Weird Bed — El_C 03:39, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

Hope Springs E

Morning Dew — El_C 00:09, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Delight Earth — El_C 10:36, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

Funk No.1 — El_C 12:53, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Children Of The World — El_C 05:42, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Sometimes I Feel Like a Motherless Child — El_C 22:02, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Lay Down — El_C 14:09, 1 April 2022 (UTC)

Colorless — El_C 16:13, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Viva L'amore — El_C 02:58, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Riviera Paradise El_C 10:53, 9 April 2022 (UTC)

Plexus — El_C 13:12, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Virtual Insanity (Wilson remix) — El_C 12:30, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Time Paradox (Choma41 final mix) — El_C 01:00, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Love and Happiness — El_C 16:58, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

& — El_C 10:35, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Shake Down — El_C 10:50, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Fingerflowing — El_C 11:14, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

The Cat Came Back — El_C 10:18, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

In the Morning of the Magicians — El_C 22:31, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Mellow → Voyage — El_C 11:58, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

The Search for Optimism — El_C 13:02, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

On The Move — El_C 15:39, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Transmissionnn → Txt (MSGS) — El_C 10:41, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Phenomenal → To Forgive (Letting Go Is Hard) — El_C 18:07, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Gypsy Woman — El_C 22:02, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Guardian Angel — El_C 13:56, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Looking for the Sun → Cheers! — El_C 15:46, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

לך תזדיין (Go Fuck Yourself) — El_C 11:37, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

Heartbreak In Paradise — El_C 12:29, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Jessica — El_C 22:44, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

You Enjoy Myself — El_C 12:37, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Stash — El_C 15:37, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

Nsu Na Kwan (Water and Stone) — El_C 21:49, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

The Magic — El_C 12:29, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Twilight Voyage — El_C 18:15, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Dear And Soul — El_C 13:41, 10 June 2022 (UTC)

Far Away → L'Uomo Invisible (The Invisible Man) — El_C 12:53, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Wolf Totem — El_C 14:08, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Jell-O — El_C 12:54, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

My Name Is James (Soundcloud) — El_C 12:52, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Time solo → Another Brick In The Wall solo → Comfortably Numb solo — El_C 14:44, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

And the livin' is EZ

Comfortably Numb (Sophie Lloyd) → Shorts shorts (shorts) ←Shut up, me! — El_C 00:57, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

First Day Of Summer — El_C 13:12, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

Brazilian Summer — El_C 19:17, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Valse triste (Sad Waltz), Op. 44 — El_C 17:06, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

No Turning Back — El_C 14:01, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Come Together — El_C 17:52, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

Miles Away — El_C 23:37, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Tuesday — El_C 14:32, 5 July 2022 (UTC)

Can't Hide Love — El_C 14:29, 17 July 2022 (UTC)

Noche de San Juan → Pra Joao → Yoruba → Semblanza de un Gigante — El_C 14:38, 23 July 2022 (UTC)

Children Say → La Mer → Sound Of Blue → People Have A Right Of Pursuing Happiness — El_C 14:23, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Ready To Freak → When Are You Gonna Tell Your Woman (About Me)? / Sign of the Times — El_C 16:11, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

El Mechánico — El_C 11:53, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Anomalous Hedges — El_C 14:28, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

The Runaway (Icon West Remix) — El_C 16:53, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Where Did The Time Go? → Time's Blur — El_C 17:15, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Turn On Your Love Light — El_C 19:30, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

Going Home — El_C 01:31, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Severance (title sequence) — El_C 19:14, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

Diz pra Mim (Tell Me) — El_C 15:35, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Reminisce — El_C 17:03, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

怨恨白昼夢 — El_C 03:19, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Falleaves

Autumn — El_C 02:40, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Let's Get Blown — El_C 16:43, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Rest → Reset — El_C 22:04, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Trip to the Stix — El_C 16:43, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Blunt — El_C 18:06, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

It Will Work Out — El_C 10:55, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

Festa Cante — El_C 01:56, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Into the Fire → Into the Fire (Combat) — El_C 15:34, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Just a Feeling — El_C 16:06, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Fallin' (Francesco Cofano Remix) — El_C 05:55, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

It's Not My Cross To Bear — El_C 16:23, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

A Man and a Woman (Extended Mix) — El_C 00:09, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Name Your Price — El_C 19:56, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

The Water's Fine! — El_C 23:07, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Midnight Rider — El_C 07:27, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

One Thing Leads to Another (Extended Version) — El_C 07:26, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Tabula Rasa — El_C 16:42, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

paradise — El_C 15:39, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

History — El_C 04:04, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

bossa uh → i'll be okay — El_C 17:54, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Chrono Suite — El_C 09:24, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Intelligent Design — El_C 03:57, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Mississippi Half-Step Uptown Toodleloo — El_C 00:33, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

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Chris Hedges: "The Meaning of Christmas" (December 27, 2020). El_C 23:50, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Ordinary Things: "The Evil Business of 2021" (December 31, 2021). El_C 14:21, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

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Sorry, everyone, with very few exceptions, I will not be accepting any new requests for administrative intervention on my talk page for the foreseeable future. In the meantime, enjoy the music! El_C 18:33, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

Now also introducing Buck Flower, security guard (challenging times ahead!). El_C 12:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

So much good music! River Man in particular is always a favourite of mine. Jr8825 • Talk 19:02, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

//bows El_C 12:39, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

October music

October songs

Cool power station bro!

Today is Erntedank in Germany, thanksgiving, and we celebrated our village's 650th anniversary, and had the dress rehearsal for Verdi's Requiem with an interesting band of marimba, piano, horn, bass, timpani and drum, - concert tomorrow, our national holiday. Seeing a pic I took on the Main page was also a nice harvest. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:13, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Would you find time for last weeks Psalm 48? Turning to the following one today. - Did I tell you that our soprano on 3 October was born in Jerusalem. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:51, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Nice, happy thanksgiving! Yes: 48  Done. El_C 16:39, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, - next Psalm 49, whenever you have time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:40, 9 October 2022 (UTC)

49  Done. El_C 10:23, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

thank you! - new day, another pictured DYK (but not pictured by me this time): look at power work tensions (if you translate) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:43, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Sweet. BTW, I too am a fan of Judith Bob Weir, even though he does get overexcited a lot (which I mostly find endearing). El_C 19:55, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Nice! - I did for Leon Schidlowsky what I could, which isn't enough for the RD corner because many things - related to his wife, conductors, students, works - is not referenced. Could you please check if there's anything in Hebrew supplying all these things? I have no time to do puzzle work. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:29, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the Hebrew page is brief and poorly-referenced. Little if anything of what it says isn't already repeated in its English counterpart, and hardly any of it is directly-referenced. It does provide links to some newspapers snippets (screens), mostly from the 70s, but they don't really say anything too germane, biographically.

Interestingly, though, in one of the interviews he's asked about a Jewish parallel to Che Guevara, and he mentions Yair Stern, which is... novel. But he does come across as a very humane and thoughtful person. Some of his thoughts on music theory are very deep. I'm far from a music novice and I could barely understand half of it. But the crux of it seems to be his drive towards a synesthesia of sorts. Like, referencing Skriabin's view on light and colour, and so on. Again, much of it went over my head.

The Hebrew page also has a link to entries (100+) about him at the National Library, but they're all either physical copies of works, or links to notations and recordings. I listened to a few of those recordings, like Nacimiento, The White Queen, and Golem. But I didn't really like any of em. It just isn't my cup of tea. It's too chaotic for my taste; too formless and structureless-sounding (and eerie), but without any melodic payload. Sorry, I couldn't be of more help! El_C 04:36, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much, this is great help. I had no time to listen, for example - am a bit ashamed now. - So, we agree that the English article is quite good as it is, but not good enough for RD. It was a user's only contrib, did you know? Someone who knew him well, but added no sources. What you could do is, add the interview to the external links, for those who want to know more about his thinking. Yes, it was the mentioning of El C that made me think you might be interested ;) - Thank you exposing the power station ("power work", if you translate German) where I went with my father! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:26, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

No, I was unaware, I didn't look at the revision history. Last edit was 2014, though, and not much activity otherwise. First edit (in 2009) was to Pablo Neruda, though, so, Like. I'm not sure adding a screenshot to an Israeli Hebrew-language newspaper, even if it's my favourite newspaper, would be that useful to an English-language page tbh. The only time I do something like that with a Hebrew source is if it references something specific, with the pertinent excerpt translated to English in the ref. RE: it was the mentioning of El C that made me think you might be interested — sorry, you lost me. El_C 14:33, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

He set text by Che Guevara to music, no more, no less. I'm determined to write about his Missa Sine Nomine, just because it seems an extraordinary idea. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Oh, El_Comandante, of course! I probably need more coffee, as that was pretty dim of me. Not even a puzzle (on the Gerda-scale or otherwise). RE: Missa sine nomine — cool, looking forward to reading it. El_C 14:43, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

Do you think you could find any Israeli sources for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Avi Berman? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:53, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the Hebrew wiki page has only three sources, two of them belong to the subject (their own official website and YouTube channel). The other, from opusmagazine.co.il by way of the wayback machine, only mentions him one time and relatively briefly. It may simply be that the Hebrew wiki standards for domestic notability are lower than EN's. But they generally also have fewer sources on average than EN, so that might account for that, instead. But from having read his bio, I suspect it's likely to be the former. Personally, I'd probably still keep it, if I had my way, because what's the harm? To sum up: as far as I'm able to infer atm, while it may or may not be within the scope of WP:COMPOSER, if it isn't, it probably wouldn't be by a lot. HTH. El_C 17:24, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Understand. - I had this other one, all Spanish, almost there, last day today, then came the problem of the works: WP:ITNN, look for Adam Ferrero. - today's DYK: two facts from the two concert of this years Rheingau Musik Festival I liked best, both a cappella singing. If you follow the songs, you see a circus, where I performed singing, and in the end the whole tent joined for Dona nobis pacem. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:20, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

The Spanish one made it! - who shall separate us? - Psalm 52 please --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:45, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

TFA Ich will den Kreuzstab gerne tragen, BWV 56, - third time went well --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:10, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Nice! Third time's the baseball. 52  Done. El_C 22:46, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

thank you - today a woman in red, cellist Ella van Poucke, with a video in the article - will turn to Psalm 53 after this --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:28, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

... followed by the new hall where she played - I always like to see my pics on the Main page, - then the mezzo of our Verdi concert, finally don't miss Hannah Pick-Goslar, - met a cat today, pictured --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:54, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

You had me at cat! El_C 07:15, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

leaving the month with reformation and a cat treat - same cat --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:57, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Use of inappropriate language

Hi El_C hope you are doing great. I've noticed that this kind [[24]] of talkpage participation isn't a productive one. I have the feeling that simply providing an argument that a co-editor 'is ridiculous' and 'saying nonsense' just because he happens to disagree is not the correct way to support a view. Also notice that the specific user was blocked less than 2 months ago due to socking [[25]]. I feel that a warning message in his talkpage is justified.Alexikoua (talk) 03:40, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Hey. Doing alright, thanks. Unfortunately, I can't spare the time at present to take on any new requests. But if you feel that it's warranted, you can bring the matter for review at a noticeboard, like WP:AE or WP:ANI. Good luck! El_C 08:20, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

A clarification should be made here just for the sake of correctness. @Alexikoua: Fieraku was not socking, hence he was unblocked by the admins involved in the issue. I followed the relevant discussion myself, Fieraku did not use his accounts in breach of the socking policy. Please do not mention that block as evidence of disruption again. Ktrimi991 (talk) 12:46, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

For the record he was recently blocked due to edit warring. Perhaps a warning could have prevented this sad development but this short-term block maybe force him finally to avoid aggressive speech.Alexikoua (talk) 02:37, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

IP returned

You had protected Puyi because there was a edit war for the infobox. You said we should go talk pagei (I dit) but the same IP is not interested in the talk despite he said I should start the discussion [26] could you add semi protection Shadow4dark (talk) 08:19, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected for a period of 3 weeks, after which the page will be automatically unprotected. El_C 08:24, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Appealing my topic ban at administrators noticeboard

I will soon be posting an appeal to a topic ban you put in place for me a year ago. I will be doing so at the administrators' noticeboard. I am notifying you in posting this.

I would appreciate if you would give attention to my appeal and provide a statement as the imposing administrator. I understand a year is a lot of time, and you would need to both re-familiarize yourself with the matter that spurred the ban, review my appeal, and explore my contributions/journey as an editor in the year since it was imposed. I recognize that this is a lot to ask you to do, and that we all are busy people. But if you could consider giving some attention and input on my appeal, I would value that.

Well wishes. SecretName101 (talk) 17:44, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

SecretName10, sorry, but I'd rather not participate. Last time, you claimed I reignited a micro aggression towards [you] and other things (permalink), so that was enough for me. Thank you. El_C 18:22, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear that, and apologize for having been so reactive in my initial reaction and first appeal.

I have not mention this previously on the project, but the sanction was also imposed at a time of personal turmoil for me. So in my immediate reaction and first appeal, if I appear emotionally reactive, it is because I was in an immensely heightened emotional state. It at what was already one of the lowest points of my life in terms of emotional health. I'm rather hesitant to share this as I type. SecretName101 (talk) 18:40, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

SecretName101, I'm sorry to hear that and I wish you the best with your struggles, but even irrespective of that (as I mention two threads up), I simply can't spare the time at present. El_C 18:52, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Understood. I'm much better now as it's been a year's time, and appreciate the well-wish. As I mentioned in my first post, I completely recognize that it is a great time commitment. I further understand you not wishing to exert yourself extending a favor to me after unpleasant past interaction. I do hope my shedding a light does help you feel less frustrated towards me if we ever cross paths elsewhere in our editing in a different context, however. SecretName101 (talk) 18:55, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

For sure; no grudges on my end. I'm just very busy right now. Hope it all works out amicably. I'll update the permalink at AN to reflect the rest of our conversation here. Regards, El_C 19:42, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Bothriospilini

Protection probably isn't necessary there; I have already stopped, and with it on KoA's preferred version they can't continue. BilledMammal (talk) 06:02, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Ah, understood. El_C 06:04, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Article about French universities

Hello, you have contributed to the request made by Ransouk against me. I have had a dispute with this user for some time now who imposes his "POV pushing" on the Assas page (of which he is obviously a student). He systematically evades my requests to discuss sources, etc., while the offending pages are pure advertisements. I am still a beginner and my contributions can be improved, I sometimes lose my temper, but his behaviour is simply intolerable. Do you think you could give us some of your precious time to help us improve articles (you seem very experienced). Or someone you know who might have the time. Aigurland (talk) 17:19, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Aigurland, you need to avoid personal speculations about your content opponent, such as he is obviously a student. How would you know that? How would you even know that they are a he? Above all else, how is making these speculations without proof relevant to anything? As you may or may not know, I've already fully-protected Paris 2 Panthéon-Assas University back in Feb due to editing disputes. From what I'm able to discern, both of you could improve, and should seek outside input on respective article talk pages — I outlined how to do that at the ANI thread.

While Ransouk should be more responsive, you for your part, should stick to the facts of the matter, and avoid personal comments and badgering them. Keep conversations in one place rather than splitting them to user talk pages (you split it from article talk pages to his user talk page; or from the ANI complaint to mine). Sorry, I'm unable to assist you with the content end of things, because as an uninvolved admin, I am precluded from doing so; but also, this is not a subject with which I am familiar. Again, trying to solicit outside input to these disputes would be the way forward. In addition to the dispute resolution requests I mentioned at ANI, there may be also Wikiprojects which you could seek assistance from by posting a neutral request. G'luck. El_C 18:04, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

You're right about the speculation, it's inappropriate, hopefully someone on the ANI can respond. Goodbye. Aigurland (talk) 18:37, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

RE: List of hood films

He's bad HarrySONofBARRY

Please edit list of Hood films 174.247.224.179 (talk) 05:52, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

IP, this comment is incoherent, especially how you originally posted it, as an indented comment to an unrelated discussion. What is even He's bad HarrySONofBARRY? Please stop posting nonsense at HarrySONofBARRY's talk page. Please stop posting nonsense, in general. As was already (sorta) explained to you (?) at Talk:List of hood films, you need to provide citations for any additions to the list. Also, please use punctuation and a semblance of readable grammar — this is not a chatroom, and even if it were one, it'd still be borderline incomprehensible. Thanks. El_C 14:18, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

November corner

November songs

celebrating GW60 - carrying Psalm 53 over from October -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:15, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done. You had me at blurry cat. El_C 14:32, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Very well said. The cold never bothered me anyway... Begoon 12:27, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, as always, bro. You know me, c^limbing the branches of TREE(3). El_C 17:01, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

thank you! - I admire the climb - Psalm 57 please - 3 concerts can now be found together: a Ukrainian chamber choir, my cellist and composer friend's 60th birthday music (with a world premiere and that overview about his career), and Bach's ultimate statement about life and death --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:50, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

For sure. 57  Done. And thanks, I love trees! To that:

Nonno, didn't you love trees as much as I love trees? I'm sure you must have. You must have walked up beyond Canè or up Gran Viso and gone through thinning trees until the last few remain stormed in late spring by white horses. Look, this is a matter of meditation, of meditation where time stands still and whole worlds can be sucked in or out of white and black holes! This is what history is, not the batter of commerce, not the mass murder of innocents by imbeciles, not the constraint of hope by injunction. Trees turn into people and people turn into trees, as surely as a sleeping man in his troubles becomes a cockroach. Haven't you seen high spruce bent slightly in the wind in the final meadows near the tree-line, how they sway and soak into bone and skin, how they moan and dance into blood and heart, how the bole is like a tower of blood and bone is meshed into the memory of bark. Dear heart, we destroy trees at our own peril. Or can I describe for you a circle of sycamores in St. James's Park: how their great bowl of air swirls and dances, how their always-smaller-becoming arms and branches capillary themselves in the fortunate air. Here between the halls of a parliament and a banal regal house we can squeeze out a free space for breath! Or in the old oaks and blackthorn of Hyde Park, or a single lost tree beside the Thames. Or the superb deciduous woodlands on the borders of Easter Sutherland and Easter Ross, or the spring festival in Glen Lyon. I once stood up through the roof of a car moving slowly through stands of old larch in West Lothian. I once was mesmerised by a single white-thorn at a junction of the Ochill Hills. I once was unable to leave sight of a single stately holm oak not far from Stroud until my friends half-dragged me silent away. And I'm talking now just of the trees of one island! Think of the trees in the Alps. Or those trees by the railway in Satyajit Ray, in Tagore, or the flayed riverrine memory of Ritwik Ghatak and others in places we've never been able to go. One time, Nonno, I lived three years in an island without trees! And it was beautiful! An island and a moorland and a bandaged sun! Always a bandaged sun! And a moorland made from decayed trees, a shepherd's cloak of peat laid on a scoured ancient rock, across the scar-line of mountains, on schists cooled from the heat of magmas on little protuberances amid the rocking seas. Our history, a seat beneath a bandaged sun: from galaxy to gaeltacht, from binary code to baita, veins and capillaries mapped in the skies, models of life in the code of a leaf, the colours of butterflies' wings more complex than even our eyes. That is why, Nonno. That is why it all matters: your being born in the mountains and then your leaving the mountains and your life in a city, with all the global messinesses in between. If I write these things in both joy and despair, it may be because I've not eaten enough these days, months, please forgive me. --Stephen Watts from his long poem published across two volumes, Mountain Language and Journey Across Breath (2009), addressed to his grandfather, who was born in a small mountain village in northern Italy and who died 30 years before he was born.

Yours treely, El_C 16:21, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Appealing my topic ban at administrators noticeboard

I have appealed at AN Venkat TL (talk) 11:18, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Need a good laugh?

Despite our recent disagreement, I thought you would get a laugh out of this. --Kansas Bear (talk) 13:52, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Query on an AN comment

Hey. In your comment here, you made an interesting point about [running] into users that perfected walking the line like a tight rope without ever crossing it in a major way. In general terms, how do you suggest handling editors like that? Both from an admin perspective, but also an editor who encounters that sort of behaviour most days. Sideswipe9th (talk) 18:45, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

WP:TBAN/s, because when, overall, the reoccurrence is consistent, the incremental is still very much damaging and pernicious, even if less visible as attrition. El_C 18:51, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Yeah that would have the effect of handling the disruption. It's easier said than done though in some cases, but I guess that goes beyond the realm of generality :) Sideswipe9th (talk) 18:55, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Request

Hey, could you take a look at User talk:ButterCashier#Concerns? I'm not sure what's going on, but it looks like something that could use administrator attention (or at least an experienced user) —VersaceSpace 🌃 18:30, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

I missed this, but it looks like they were blocked for 6 months in the end. El_C 09:10, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Request for removal of protection

Dear user El_C, unfortunately your protection of the Pavel Fuks page has left a lot of unreliable information without sources, added by newly created and unregistered users who commit vandalism, as well as their removal of information with sources, including links to official information agencies of Ukraine. Example: User Rolf Linge added false information about Russian nationality in revision 1116409358. (I note that the user registered on Wikipedia and made revisions only on one day - 16 October 2022). This false information has been corrected with arguments. However, a user from IP address 2607:fea8:c3a0:b7a0:4937:d3ed:d8a8:db04 (Canada) in revision 1120158168 returned including the above information. This change was canceled with reasons. Soon, a user from the IP address 45.128.189.62 (Ukraine) in revision 1120380532 returned the above information as well, thus setting up a war of edits without discussion on the Talk page. Other changes were also added, which were made deliberately with the aim of compromising the reliability and authority of the encyclopedia. In violation of the rules, information was removed from the Philanthropy section, which was confirmed by the news agency. I draw your attention to the need to take measures against violators of the rules, to maintain a balance regarding the biographies of living people and public figures. Setting page protection left fake information without being able to fix it for ordinary users without the appropriate status. It is also worth noting that the edit warring on the specified page is not related to the WP:GS/RUSUKR problem, and therefore the protection is not applied quite correctly. -- Ded Prorok (talk) 01:23, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Ded Prorok, I don't understand how it's not WP:GS/RUSUKR? In your the revert, you had removed (in part): Fuks is a Russian and a Ukrainian citizen (diff) — that's Russian (RUS) and Ukrainian (UKR) in the same sentence. How can that not be germane? Anyway, I'm not really inclined to get into the weeds of this content dispute. Try to build WP:CONSENSUS on the article talk page for your position. If you reach an impasse there, you could maybe seek out a 3rd opinion, or even go for a full Request for comment. Hope that matter gets resolves amicably. El_C 03:28, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Ded Prorok, I forgot to mention: if there's a genuine WP:BLP concern that's somehow being overlooked here, you could also raise that particular problem at WP:BLPN. Thanks again. El_C 04:05, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

El_C, thanks for the advice, I will definitely use it. But I want to note that the indication of fake information about citizenship without substantiating any sources does not concern the war between the states. In addition, there are many unreliable corrections that concern the business and social activities of a person, in this regard there are even court decisions against fraud and the spread of unreliable information by news websites. So in this case there is a clear violation of a number of rules, including Wikipedia:Reliable sources. I quote the paragraph: "Contentious material about living persons (or, in some cases, recently deceased) that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, neutral, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion." So I urge you as an administrator to stand guard over the fundamental rules of Wikipedia and, first of all, remove information without sources, and not leave it to the protection of the page - in this case, this protection played the opposite negative role. -- Ded Prorok (talk) 10:30, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

El_C, sorry, but you are probably confusing citizenship and nationality. For example, US citizens can be Italian, German, or Japanese by nationality (ethnic origin), but have a US passport. There is official news with the publication of relevant documents that this person renounced his Russian passport and, accordingly, withdrew from Russian citizenship long before the start of the full-scale invasion of Russia into Ukraine and has long been engaged in charity work in Ukraine. At the same time, the person was born in Ukraine, always had a passport and citizenship of Ukraine. In addition, there is official information that the person's nationality is Ukrainian, not Russian. At the same time, newly created accounts and unregistered users (I suspect that they are related) provide information about Russian nationality, which is not confirmed by anything at all. There are reasons to investigate the attack on the page and the purposeful introduction of false information by a number of users. -- Ded Prorok (talk) 14:04, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

You are quoting very basic things for me, which are not necessary. The subject's renouncement of his Russian citizenship is a WP:GS/RUSUKR matter now, among editors, at the very least. As an WP:UNINVOLVED admin, I am not allowed to involve myself in this content dispute, unless there's something truly egregious, which in three posts now, you have failed to prove in a simple and straight-forward way. Therefore, I explained to you how to go about alerting your concern to other editors. But not me and not here anymore, is the point. Good luck. El_C 14:48, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Story time

Finished that last series. Solid effort, but still nothing special, although the description of driving a combine harvester through a hoard of zombies was amusing. Just started FantasticLand: A Novel, which is Lord of the Flies meets World War Z. It's set in an adjustment park isolated by flooding after a hurricane. So far so good, a lot better than the Slow Burn books, although still not great. The audiobook production is also excellent. It's written as a series of interviews with survivors, and the style is a great match of the audiobook format. There may also be enough real reviews to make it notable, so maybe I'll throw a quick article together at some point. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:43, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Still not great? Well, that's... not great. As for me, ordered The High King's Tomb (book 3 of 4) a few days ago, so hopefully, it'll get here soon. As for spooky news, I liked Smile (2022 film), which I recommend, but its imagery is not nearly as disturbing as that of The SMILE Tapes (snip), which has hardcore zoombies. El_C 03:45, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Music Vandalism

A user called Binksternet has been vandalizing music templates and needs to be blocked for good. Could you do this? 97.80.178.124 (talk) 21:17, 12 November 2022 (UTC)