Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Cordless Larry

Cordless Larry

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Nomination

Cordless Larry (talk · contribs) – Cordless Larry is an absolute tour de force. He's got a fine corpus of articles he's worked on, including the featured article Gateway Protection Programme, and is a major contributor to Somalis in the United Kingdom where's he's kept a cool head despite numerous discussions and disagreements over the content. He's created some perfectly serviceable short biographies from scratch too, including Susan Baker, Susan Hanson (geographer) and Fiona Macpherson, and I fully trust him to know exactly what it takes to put things in mainspace.

Away from content, Larry is one of the most prolific participants at the Teahouse and the open ticket request system, where he seems to be able to answer just about any question from anyone, anywhere. He gets involved in seriously unpleasant sockpuppet investigations without a fuss and he regularly participates in Articles for deletion discussions, offering a sensible viewpoint even when people disagree with him. Indeed, on the occasions that I have found myself on the other side of the debate to Larry, he has been courteous, polite and respectful.

Like all great RfA candidates, Larry has been cautious about making sure he is ready to take the plunge. He's been "headhunted" for about a year, and has just run a extremely positive poll at WP:ORCP with a near-unanimous consensus that he should give RfA a go. So let's do it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:34, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Co nomination by TonyBallioni

It gives me great pleasure to present Cordless Larry to the community for consideration to become an administrator. Cordless Larry has been around for more than a decade, first registering in December 2005. In that time he has contributed substantially to our efforts here.

Not only has he has done some great content work, which Ritchie has already covered in detail, but he has been a voice of stability and sensibility in project space for some time. He is one of the most active users in OTRS, and in that capacity I have worked with him on several copyright issues. He was always good to investigate, find where there might be a problem, and seek out administrative help when it was necessary. Indeed, one of the things that most strikes anyone who has ever worked with Cordless Larry is how he is so good to request a second opinion when it might be needed: this is a trait that all administrators need, and something that will serve him well.

In every interaction I have had with him, Cordless Larry has always been kind, civil, and easy to work with, even if we've had vastly different opinions on the subject at hand. I think all of these traits will make him a great administrator, and I hope you will agree with me. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:02, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:I am pleased to accept this nomination. As required, I declare that I have never edited for pay or any other form of compensation. I also declare that this is my sole account. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:59, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. Please answer these questions to provide guidance for participants:

1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?

A: I would intend to contribute to administrative work primarily through processing speedy deletion nominations and working at Wikipedia:Usernames for administrator attention and Wikipedia:Requests for page protection, where I often observe backlogs, plus helping out at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. In addition, having access to the tools would enable me to strengthen the existing work I do helping new editors at the Teahouse and OTRS, by allowing me to see the content of articles that have been speedy deleted and advise users why this has happened and how they can improve their contributions.

2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?

A: I am proud of my one FA, Gateway Protection Programme, and also of the work that I have put in over a long period of time to improve the articles in Category:Immigration to the United Kingdom by country of origin and to monitor them for changes. British Cypriots and Somalis in the United Kingdom are obvious examples of this work, but I am at least as pleased that the vast majority of the articles in this category now have reliably sourced population estimates. These might not all be the latest such figures available, but before I started working on them, many of the population estimates were unsourced or, in some cases, simply made up.

I also take a lot of pleasure in my work at the Teahouse and, more recently, OTRS. This work has reduced the amount of time I have been able to spend on content creation in the past couple of years, but I believe that the Teahouse in particular is an invaluable service.

3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?

A: As is often noted in RfAs, anyone who has edited Wikipedia for a significant period of time will have encountered conflicts, and I am certainly no exception. One in particular stands out, which is a dispute with the editor Middayexpress, mostly concerning Somalis in the United Kingdom. We had a long-standing disagreement over the content of this article and discussion on the talk page was largely between the two of us, despite attempts to solicit third-party opinions. This caused me some stress. Eventually, I realised that quite a few editors had similar experiences with Middayexpress across a wide range of Somalia-related articles, and the eventual result was Middayexpress's topic ban. The lesson here was to emphasise to me the value of taking a step back from what might initially appear to be personal disputes, of seeking third-party input into disputes, and of patiently collecting evidence of problematic editor conduct.

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Additional question from Andrew D.

4. I watched the recent ORCP but didn't form any particular opinion. I'm mainly curious about the user name Cordless Larry which has a nice ring to it but seems rather surreal. Does it have some meaning, please?

A: Thanks for the interesting question, Andrew. I don't remember the exact circumstances, but I recall first using the name in the late 1990s or early 2000s after I tried to sign up for an account on another (long-forgotten) website and my preferred username was taken. The site suggested Cordless Larry as an alternative, and I thought it sounded amusing, so I picked it, and subsequently decided to use it here too. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:16, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Additional questions from User:Amorymeltzer

5. I'm not one to criticize (and this isn't criticism!), but despite having being highly active since 2006, you pulled away from the project for nearly four years due to busyness and loss of interest. What brought you back in 2015 and has sustained your interest since, and what might make you pull away again?

A: "Busy" was somewhat of a euphemism for some offline issues I was having at the time, and those caused me to fall out of the habit of logging in and editing. What brought me back was seeing the extent of the POV material that had been introduced to the Somalis in the United Kingdom article that I had previously worked on. The reason for staying has been a happier one, however, prompted my my discovery in July 2015 of the Teahouse, which had been introduced during my break. I found that I enjoyed helping out there, and then last year became an OTRS volunteer, which has also kept me interested and engaged. Short of any further offline problems, I can't really think of anything that would cause me to withdraw again. I am mindful of avoiding burnout, which I think is one of the keys to sustaining interest for me. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:49, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

6. You say you have an interest in processing CSDs. Looking over the last six months of your log, you seem to like G11 and U5. Let's say at 12:30AM you come across an article about a person with: their birthdate (sometime in mid 1990s), a single sentence saying that they are a Ghanaian singer, no references, and an infobox with some genres, etc. What would you do and when?

A: Right, well, the first thing to say is that I have usually long since gone to bed by that point, and if I was still up then I would likely be tired. Presuming that this is a relatively new article rather than an older one that has had content and references removed, there are a number of possibilities here. One would be to tag the article for speedy deletion under WP:A7, as just stating that someone is a singer alone is not a claim of importance. Another would be to propose it for deletion, per WP:BLPPROD. Before doing either, though, I would probably do a quick search for sources and if I found some, fix the article myself by adding them. If I was unable to find anything significant, I would ordinarily opt for A7, but at gone midnight, I think it would be best to avoid doing that and would instead make a note of the issue and return to it in the morning. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:10, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. FWIW, I had intended on also saying the article was created at 12AM, but left that bit out. No need to amend your answer, though, unless it would change anything. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 21:18, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Additional question from HandsomeBoy

7. Let me start by saying that I like it when a username that I have been seeing very active for years pops up in RFA, we clearly know areas you will be great at, and where you need to improve upon, unlike if it is a fairly new user, so that alone will make me overlook some old issues once they are clarified. But my question is on something different, in your own understanding on how it ought to be, when does a blocked editor become eligible for WP:STANDARDOFFER?

A: Hey, Handsome. As far as I understand it, the standard offer is not an automatic right that indefinitely blocked editors can invoke, but it does have broad support as a concept (although I note that a proposal to make it a guideline failed to reach consensus a couple of years back). WP:STANDARDOFFER gives a period of six months, but makes clear that this can vary under special circumstances. My own view is that six months is reasonably generous, and if the misconduct was serious, then we should exercise caution before unblocking that soon, but I can equally imagine cases where the user has demonstrated willingness to contribute more productively and deserves a second chance. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:05, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Additional question from John from Idegon

8. As you currently understand it, what is the notability standard for a secondary school?

A: Schools are a controversial topic. WP:NSCHOOL suggests that they should satisfy the notability guidelines for organisations or the GNG. For a long time, though, there was consensus to keep articles about secondary schools as long as they had an independent source and to merge or redirect primary school articles (summarised by WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES). Some of us were concerned that this summary of past outcomes was being used to promote circular reasoning, and that some (though by no means all) supporters of SCHOOLOUTCOMES were using it to challenge the right of editors to disagree with past practice, so I started WP:SCHOOLRFC to try to get some clarity. Unfortunately, there seems to be continuing disagreement about the implications of the RfC. I haven't participated in as many school AfDs in the past couple of months, but I have seen a few secondary school articles deleted for failing to meet GNG. I would say that the issue is still in flux, and as a community we would benefit from a firmer consensus on school notability. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:19, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Additional question from John from Idegon

9. The pillars describe one purpose of Wikipedia as a gazetteer. Please explain how that applies to notability.

A: A gazetteer is essentially a geographical dictionary, so the implication of the principle that Wikipedia serves as a gazetteer is that it will include articles on named places and geographic features. That does, though, leave the question of which places and features qualify, and this is where notability comes in. I think it would be incorrect to assert that because a place exists, then it is automatically notable. However, due to the nature of the bureaucratic state, there are going to be sources (censuses, histories, government reports, etc.) about populated places. The same could be said for major geographical features (e.g. mountains), which are usually the subject of published surveys, etc. When it comes to places without legal recognition and more minor features (e.g. hills), then I think we need to be more cautious before any presumption of notability is made and also to consider whether it is better to cover them in more general articles. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:16, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Additional question from Ivanvector

10. A user is indefinitely blocked as the result of an ANI discussion over that user's topic ban violations. They post an unblock request explaining that they understand why they were blocked and promising to avoid the area of conflict, which an administrator declines with the comment "Try WP:STANDARDOFFER." Six months plus one day later, the user creates a new account and begins editing constructively in entirely unrelated subjects. Several months later, after they have created three good articles and one featured list from scratch, the connection to their old account is discovered. When questioned, the user responds that they thought the "standard offer" meant that they could try editing again after six months, and since they weren't technically prevented from creating a new account they assumed it was allowed. Considering STANDARDOFFER and WP:CLEANSTART, as well as WP:CBAN and WP:BMB, please comment on this user's fate.

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Discussion

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Support

1. Support as nominator Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:06, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
2. Support excellent candidate per nominators. --I am One of Many (talk) 17:22, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
3. Support - No issues here, should make a good admin! Class455 (talk|stand clear of the doors!) 17:29, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
4. Support as co-nominator. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:33, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
5. Support Long term user Has been around since 2005 ,clear net positive.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:37, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
6. support per nominators. meets my standards. seen him around. definitely a good choice.--Dlohcierekim (talk) 17:37, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
7. Support - Excellent co-nominators, stats look good, see no reason to oppose. Good luck! Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:42, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
8. Support candidate seems willing to put time towards anything the encyclopedia needs: creates content, mans the teahouse and OTRS, does cleanup on a broad array of articles, participates with well thought out rationales at AfD, and contributes at various talk pages when useful. Plus the candidate keeps a cool head in discussions and seems so non-bitey that we start to wonder if the candidate has teeth. Easy support. Ajpolino (talk) 17:46, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
9. Support minecraftr ^chat / _builds 17:51, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
10. Support Absolutely, per the noms! Lourdes 17:52, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
11. Support Highly active OTRS user, so has a clear need for the tools in many different occasions talk to !dave 17:53, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
12. Support In the times I have run across Cordless Larry, I found them to be a measured voice of reason. I have no concerns. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 17:57, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
13. Support – like 331dot, another competent and experienced editor who can be trusted with the tools; no obvious reasons to oppose. Linguist^unEins^uno 17:59, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
14. Support very experienced, no concerns. Johnbod (talk) 18:01, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
15. Support: an excellent candidate; would be a value to the project. Thank you for volunteering. K.e.coffman (talk) 18:02, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
16. SupportFull Rune^{Speak, child of Guthix} 18:02, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
17. Support I just happened to be perusing my watchlist and noticed Ritchie has brought forward yet another candidate. It's good to see WP:RFA not being such a ghost town all of a sudden. I know that this is cliché and getting old fairly quickly, but I really did think he (Larry) was one already. No concerns here. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 18:34, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
18. Support Been seen around, no problems with this one. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 18:41, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
19. Support Should make a good admin. Number 57 18:42, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
20. Support Anyone who is still editing after 12 years gets my support everytime. SethWhales ^talk 18:44, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
21. Support per my experience with the user in some AFDs. –Ammarpad (talk) 18:52, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
22. Support, no issues--Ymblanter (talk) 18:59, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
23. Support Good to add several Admins Legacypac (talk) 19:00, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
24. Support. Fully qualified candidate, unless he turns out to be this Larry. Newyorkbrad (talk) 19:09, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
25. Support. No concerns. Tazerdadog (talk) 19:12, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
26. Support Helpful, competent. Mduvekot (talk) 19:18, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
27. Support I know Cordless Larry mostly from the Teahouse, where he is always helpful and shows a good understanding of policies and guidelines. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:22, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
28. Support per Cullen328. Very helpful, knowledgeable, and friendly. CThomas³ (talk) 19:23, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
29. Support - This one's a no-brainer. Cordless Larry is, if anything, overqualified for adminship. Kurtis ^(talk) 19:33, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
30. Support Excellent candidate. --NSH001 (talk) 19:56, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
31. Support More admins is always a good thing. --Bigpoliticsfan (talk) 20:00, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
32. Support Cordless Larry has been a seemingly tireless editor here, I'm surprised they don't already have the bit. Tour de force sums it up nicely, but I don't think it does CL full credit. What I'm most impressed by is the singular devotion to certain projects; 1,000 edits to Somalis in the United Kingdom and a stunning 3,000 edits to the WP:Teahouse show an editor who has really settled in and found their niche. Lord knows I've been "busy" before, and I appreciate Larry's candor and humility; burnout is a real issue, and it's good to know your limits. A willingness to calmly work with their fellow editors is of the utmost priority for a sysop, and OTRS is a big, giant sign saying "This user has GOT IT!" Happy to support. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 20:11, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
33. Support I'm shocked, yes shocked sir, that you've been ducking and dodging the mop for so long. Genuinely surprised to learn that CL has not been an admin for years. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:15, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
34. Support Glad to see Cordless up here and getting the recognition he deserves. Having worked with CL before, I know he can be trusted with the tools. Level-headed and an asset to the community. GenQuest ^{"Talk to Me"} 20:32, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
35. Support I did have minor reservations, noting the blue links on the CSD log, which is an area of interest to Cordless. However, all bar one of the blue links I investigated was a recreation (mostly recent ones). I also note maybe a 1/month misjudgement on AFD (87%), but beyond unfamiliarity with SCHOOLOUTCOMES (which I expect Cordless now knows of), I didn't see an issue that concerned me. ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 20:40, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
36. Support Excellent record to date. No concerns. Loopy30 (talk) 20:41, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
37. Support based on what I saw at ORCP. As an aside, if an RfA voter wants to ask about the origin of someone's username, the right place is at user talk, not at RfA. Airbornemihir (talk) 20:52, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
38. Support for sure, thought he already was an admin. Sro23 (talk) 21:06, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
39. Support highly experienced. Blythwood (talk) 21:44, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
40. Support per nom, highly qualified, no concerns. —AnAwesomeArticleEditor (^talk
    _contribs) 21:56, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
41. Support Has been a sensible editor as long as I have been aware of them. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 22:15, 25 March 2018 (UTC).
    
42. Support precious --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:19, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
43. Support per my comment at his ORCP. —usernamekiran(talk) 22:21, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
44. Support No issues. It’s telling that the single oppose vote so far can’t or won’t supply diffs to support their position. Pawnkingthree (talk) 22:22, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
45. Support I think you are ready. CLCStudent (talk) 22:42, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
46. Support Why not? Double sharp (talk) 23:45, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
47. Support Why not. – Illegitimate Barrister (talk • contribs), 23:51, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
48. Support. A fine, hardworking editor. Convinced he'll be a fine admin too. Yintan  23:52, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
49. Support Candidate received super-strong support when going through the optional RfA candidate poll and based on that alone, support is warranted. Schwede66 00:01, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
50. Support - Great candidate, No issues!, Good luck :) –Davey2010^Talk 00:48, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
51. Support — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 01:11, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
52. Hey now. Support. Drmies (talk) 01:12, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
53. Support Could be a quality admin. Equineducklings (talk) 01:14, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
54. Support no reason not to. Banedon (talk) 01:20, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
55. Support – this is clearly a qualified candidate. Great OTRS agent as well. Mz7 (talk) 02:24, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
56. Support - clearly meets my criteria. Some good content work, a demonstrated clue at AfD (although perhaps a bit deletionist :) ), and a willing volunteer at Tea House and OTRS. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:44, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
57. Support generally positive experiences. feminist (talk) 03:52, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
58. Support Mkdw ^talk 03:55, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
59. Support Good and hard work, reasonable, positive interactions, good demeanor. Some good content work, as well. Definitely has established trustworthiness. Donner60 (talk) 05:15, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
60. Support - Plenty of reasons to support; haven't found any to oppose. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 05:24, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
61. Support. Hell yes. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 05:55, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
62. Support. No issues.  Philg88 ^♦talk 05:57, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
63. Support - No major issues found. Pretty good contribution on edits. Very few numbers of deleted edits. Siddiqsazzad001 (TALK) 06:17, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
64. Support Why not? -FASTILY 06:46, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
65. Support Good work at OTRS and elsewhere. --QEDK (後 ☕ 桜) 07:25, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
66. Support - no concerns. GiantSnowman 08:03, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
67. Support Obvious net-positive. Good content creation and great work overall. Give him the tools already. — Insertcleverphrasehere ^{(or here)} 10:42, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
68. Support per excellent nominators, evidently qualified and has the clue to know both when to act, and when to not act. Also, it's nice RfA weather and the month still has a H in it - TNT^❤ 10:51, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
69. Support - as Kurtis said: overqualified. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:45, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
70. Support Useful work done at TeaHouse, very helpful, polite, and knowledgable editor. L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 11:59, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
71. Support: Net positive for the mop. KGirl ^{(Wanna chat?)} 12:27, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
72. Support Civil, helpful, clueful. Very good mix of content work and admin work. Sane participation in AfD's. David in DC (talk) 13:27, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
73. Support - per Teahouse work, OCRP, per nominators, and my previous look into a potential candidacy. Regarding the opposes, sure there are things I may not see the same, but I don't perceive CL would abuse the tools, or refuses to take the perspective of others into consideration. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 13:36, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
74. Support I've seen this editor around and always been impressed. Their resume is solid and my examination of their record failed to yield anything that raised serious concerns for me. Regards the handful of opposes, for the most part the specific incidents and diffs presented seem to be either so minor that they don't cause me any concern or they are simply evidence that we are all human and do sometimes get something wrong or in hindsight maybe took a less than optimal course. In other words, in the context of a good sized record of contribution they are not indicative of any troubling pattern of editing. As for the claim that they lean deletionist, I looked hard but alas could not find enough to substantiate that charge, else this would be a Strong support. -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:40, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
75. Support per noms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joshualouie711 (talk • contribs) 14:03, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
76. Support - great idea. Another brilliant admin candidate. Stormy clouds (talk) 14:23, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
77. Support: Always a calm, knowledgeable, courteous but firm presence at the Teahouse. Not really convinced by the deletionist talks (perhaps I am far too reckless to judge fairly). Alex Shih (talk) 14:26, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
78. Steel1943 (talk) 14:33, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
79. Support, based on review. Kierzek (talk) 14:37, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
80. Support I find the oppose votes unconvincing (though, even if they did show he was "too deletionist", I would still support per the endorsements of the Teahouse regulars). Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy, and both List of oldest cats and Education for sustainable development were (and continue to be) severely troubled articles, to the point that WP:TNT (or WP:IAR, for the nitpickers who remind us that TNT is neither a policy nor a guideline) is a reasonable position for an editor to have, though clearly not one that the community consensus supports. I see no evidence that he would abuse the speedy-deletion criteria or ignore consensus in closing deletion discussions. power~enwiki (π, ν) 15:04, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
81. Support, on balance. Deb (talk) 15:15, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
82. Support, - would be useful addition for WP. Störm (talk) 15:37, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
83. Support I'm a bit concerned about the candidate's apparent conflation of AfD and cleanup, but we all make mistakes. Eminently qualified otherwise. Miniapolis 15:41, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
84. Support Long term editor who needs the tools based on the OTRS work alone, before even considering the other areas. I don't think he'll go making AFD decisions against consensus whatever his preference, so the opposes are not persuasive. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 16:14, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
85. Support – I believe the editor will be a net positive with the tools. I appreciate his willingness to assist at the Teahouse. –FlyingAce^✈hello 16:41, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
86. Support. I had a genuine "he isn't one already!?" moment on seeing this RfA. I also know Larry from his good work at the Teahouse, and have no business questioning the judgement of his nominators, so admittedly I was predisposed to offering a ringing endorsement.
    His AfD stats did gave me pause. He has 86% delete votes and 25% of those were against the consensus. About a third of those are nominations (with similar stats). However, looking more closely at the mismatches, they fall into a few specific areas: schools, arguments to WP:TNT, and failures to consider WP:ATD. The majority are due to his active participation in school AfDs, and there I am in complete agreement with him. There is always a maddening contingent of editors who will fight tooth-and-nail for the "keep per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES" corner despite the fact that it is now clearly against the wider community consensus. Larry's continued efforts to bring some consistency to that area should be commended, not criticised. Similarly, while WP:TNT may be an "just an essay", it is a widely-cited essay that puts forward a policy-based argument. Unfortunately, it is a bit of a crap-shoot whether people will actually read and evaluate its/your argument, or just reflexively cite WP:NOTCLEANUP. I can't blame Larry for getting unlucky with it sometimes. The failure to consider alternatives to deletion is slightly more concerning. But for that I would just say that if he is going to start closing AfDs, he should make an effort to apply WP:PRESERVE (even if it's not suggested in the discussion itself). Those three, plus the odd case of overlooking paragraph 3.13 of WP:N19THCENTURYFRENCHTEAPOTS, which happens to all of us, seem to account for the vast majority of his questionable AfDs. List of oldest cats we can just give a lovely bit of tuna and forget about.
    Overall I do think Larry tends more towards the deletionist side of things, and that's not a position I agree with, but it doesn't preclude him from admin work. His mismatches at AfD are explainable, and in any case, finding yourself against consensus somewhat more-than-usual doesn't mean that you can't interpret and apply consensus. Other than that, we have a very well-rounded candidate, who is active in content creation, a variety of maintenance areas, and has an exceptionally civil and constructive demeanour. I am sure he will continue to do good work with the admin tools. – Joe (talk) 16:59, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

    Since it has been brought up, I have the opposite views of Larry on the schools issue, and it gave me no pause in nominating him. In fact, working with him on the RfC schools RfC was one of the main things I was thinking of when writing my nomination: he and I disagreed (and still do) on the schools question, but we were able to work together to get an RfC up. As he alluded to in his answer to question 8, that RfC did not produce the clarity we both wished for (and he and I still take different sides on the question), but he is far from an extremist on the schools issue, and having a diversity of opinions in the admin corps is a good thing. I know you are supporting, but this comment seemed like the best place to address the schools question since it has come up and is related to the opposes to some degree. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:08, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

87. Support per "You mean he's not?" Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:04, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
88. Support Been around forever, cluefull, helpful, unconvinced by the opposes. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:24, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
89. Support And delighted to provide it. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 17:48, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
90. Support A name I know and would expect to have these tools already. Rcsprinter¹²³ (gas) 18:01, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
91. Support – Well-qualified. Also, see my comments at WP:ORCP. EdJohnston (talk) 18:41, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
92. Support I have no concerns. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 18:56, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Oppose A trifle over-eager to delete articles, alas. Collect (talk) 19:00, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

   discussion moved to talk page. –Davey2010^Talk 00:49, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

2. Oppose. Larry is a wonderful Wikipedian, but analyzing the data mentioned by Collect on the talkpage, I have to agree with Collect. Even in the 50 most recent BLP edits, there are various instances of unnecessary tag-bombing (e.g. on an Olympic medallist [1]) and "BLP sources" tagging (e.g. one where the BLP already had 10 citations [2], was not in need of immediate attention, and was already at AFD), etc. A better procedure in my mind would be to add one of the search templates (e.g. Template:Friendly search suggestions) to the article's talkpage, and if possible also taking the time to utilize that and improve the article if it is in actual need of improvement. Someone whose main intention with the tools is to process CSDs needs to be far more circumspect, in my mind. For example, I recommend possibly mentoring with Northamerica1000 for a more measured and helpful approach. Softlavender (talk) 02:27, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
3. Oppose. Too much emphasis on deletion and admin busyness and not enough on creation. Eric Corbett 09:11, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

   discussion moved to talk page. –Davey2010^Talk 14:42, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

   • Sure, maybe--I'm sure Eric has looked closer at Larry's article contributions than I did, but the admin busyness that I've seen Larry get involved in was very useful and went beyond the simple things like vandalism and deletion: I know Larry as someone with a fine nose for the more complicated things, like socks. Drmies (talk) 18:05, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

4. Oppose with some regret because I usually agree with the assessment of both nominators and many of those supporting. However, people nominating articles for deletion based on WP:TNT, as the candidate did with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Education for sustainable development, is a warning sign because it shows that the nominator does not consider ATD or WP:PRESERVE (both policies) more important than WP:TNT (an essay), i.e. has their priorities wrong. After Collect's example send me digging, it became more apparent that the candidate has either never heard of WP:ATD or has not understood it. One can also see this in a number of school related AFDs they started or !voted delete in when keeping or merging instead of deleting was the right way to go. Additionally I noted a staggering number of WP:ATA nomination statements and !votes in AFDs, like WP:NOTCLEANUP (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Philippine School Sultanate of Oman) or WP:JNN (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Evergreen Public School, Kanki). Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of oldest cats had no policy-based rationale for deletion at all! A G11 for an article where the text was salvageable or U5 for obvious draft as userpage also do not instill confidence that this candidate can be trusted with the delete button. So without diminishing the candidate's good contributions, there have been too many instances where I have to assume the candidate would have deleted a page incorrectly had they the right to do so. I hope the candidate reflects on these concerns, regardless of whether this request is successful or not. Regards SoWhy 10:55, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

   discussion moved to talk page. –Davey2010^Talk 14:42, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Neutral

1. Neutral for now. Will move to either S/O after I've studied the candidate further. Zyc1174 _chat? ^{what I did} 08:27, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

General comments

Mostly off-topic.

@Andrew Davidson: when are you going to oppose for whatever reason? L293D (☎ • ✎) 20:35, 25 March 2018 (UTC) @L293D: Now now, don't badger the oppose voters before they oppose. ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 20:48, 25 March 2018 (UTC) Yes, I know. It was meant to be humorous - I just know he will opppose for any reason (mistagging, minor error at AfD...). L293D (☎ • ✎) 20:54, 25 March 2018 (UTC) I know, I was being humerous too, hence the matter of fact "oppose voter". ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 21:03, 25 March 2018 (UTC) I find it amusing that User:L293D is a member of the AfC project when Operation of Raoued (sic) is a recent example of their own work – a crude translation from French without any sources and in fractured English. I certainly oppose people being put in such a position of power when they lack competence. But I haven't quite made my mind up about Cordless Larry as he seems to have been doing good work at OTRS for some years and their response to my question was quite genial. I am grateful to Collect for being the point person on this occasion. Andrew D. (talk) 22:54, 25 March 2018 (UTC) Okay, sorry for being a dick, but seriously, if you have complaints about one of my articles, then you can notify me and I'll improve it. However, this is completely off-topic so please do it on my talk page, not here. I was talking about your near-systematic opposes, and you're starting to talk about one of my articles. If you want, I'll remove this discussion and Ill try to not be a dick in the future. Sorry. L293D (☎ • ✎) 01:42, 26 March 2018 (UTC)