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Your recent revert comment of copyright notice.

For User:Nyttend. Your recent revert comment for the copyright notice on one of the Theodicy pages referred to criteria for copyright violation. Are you presenting yourself as someone who has read the book? Or are you presenting yourself as a Senior Copyright Admin? The history of two-word copyright and trademark violations is so extensive that your comment on the Talk page alone is ambiguous. Please clarify. Similarly for your comment on "fair use" which normally requires the first use of a copyrighted phrase or sentence (Macmillan Palgrave, Copyright (c) renewed 2010) to be fully attributed, which at present Wiki is claiming and asserting as its own. Please clarify. (Preview: http://www.amazon.com/Evil-God-Love-John-Hick/dp/0230252796/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1380551005&sr=1-1&keywords=john+hick+evil). 209.3.238.61 (talk) 20:32, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Please read 17 U.S.C. § 107, which appears at the Fair use article; there's no legal requirement that the "Macmillan Palgrave, Copyright (c) renewed 2010" bit be quoted. Please also read the first part of my statement, which notes that the fair use defense would only be needed if a two-word phrase were copyrightable, which it isn't. Let me remind you that "Macmillan Palgrave, Copyright (c) renewed 2010" is more than twice as long as "Augustinian theodicy", so if the latter be a copyright infringement, the former definitely is; <irony>I suppose I should block you for copyright infringement if I weren't already involved here</irony>. Finally, please note that I'm an administrator, and part of my "job" is removing speedy deletion tags that aren't applicable; I'm not a lawyer, but I've learnt enough about copyright as a librarian that I know that two words aren't original enough to attract copyright, so I know that the tag you placed wasn't applicable. PS. I failed to answer your first question — I've never read the book. Nyttend (talk) 22:06, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

The short note above was in good faith. It responded to the question raised in the discussion listed because your response seemed the most thorough one of all the ones there. The edit which i offered to repair the copyright issue did not change a Single word of the opening sentence of the wikipage, but only requested fair use by quoting the first instance of the unique two word copyrighted phrase and placing a footnote at the Bottom-of-the-page to acknowledge Macmillan.

If you are a serious graduate student planning a doctorate at the University of Indiana in History, then my only purpose in providing the url link above was only for you to be able to make an objective comparison of the Table-of-contents of the book with the outline of the wikipage. Because of your graduate student status your objective opinion of whether these two respective outlines match up one-to-one or not would be of significance. My question was not to suggest that you read the entire book. The preview url was presented for you to make an objective comparison of the one outline and the other Table-of-contents and to tell me if they match up in your opinion or if they do not match up with one another. Otherwise, there is a long history of two-word copyright violations which i can provide to you, mostly self-evident examples, if you request. My main question here is if you can look at the Table-of-contents only and match it objectively to the wikipage outline. 209.3.238.61 (talk) 18:20, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

First off, I'm not presently a serious graduate student — not that I'm a flippant graduate student, but that I'm a serious non-student, since I finished graduate school some months ago. After checking the table of contents, I see no reason to allege that either article plagiarises the book's outline. As I have told you numerous times, with the possible exception of a very complex and original pair of words (words along the lines of "supercalifragilisticexpialidocious"), a two-word phrase is not by itself copyrightable, so no fair use defence is needed; the only reason I mentioned fair use was to demonstrate that we need not delete the articles, even were your claims of copyright accurate, because the fair use provisions of US law permit us to use copyrighted works in order to construct academic commentary on them. Let me remind you that as "Augustinian" is not a new term, as "theodicy" is not a new term, and as Augustine's theology has been studied extensively and intensively for 1½ millennia, it's unlikely that a 20th-century writer originated the term — I'd only believe it if we had several different scholars all stating that the phrase was never used before Hick. Finally, let me remind you of the legal state of things. (1) In Feist Publications, Inc., v. Rural Telephone Service Co., 499 U.S. 340 (1991), Justice O'Connor's majority opinion held that "the sine qua non of copyright is originality" and noted that something must possess a spark of originality in order to be copyrightable. Think of it like a group of colored shapes: while the Marquis de Lafayette is believed to be the first to create a specific national flag of vertical blue/white/red stripes, the design of the flag is something that anyone else easily could have done — if you'd never heard of the flag of France, it wouldn't be implausible for you to create a similar design. In the same way, it would be easy for anyone familiar with these words to use them together, even without hearing of Hick. Copyright can apply to specific names, e.g. if you put together a book with a main character named "Harry Potter", you'd probably be in trouble for copyright infringement — but that's because you've appropriated a fictional character; this isn't applicable to nonfiction. (2) You speak of copyright versus trademark. Unlike copyright, trademark law can be applied to one- or two-word phrases and concepts (for example, you'd be in big trouble if you started your own computer company and used this image as your logo), but the purpose of trademark law is to ensure that brands be distinguishable. Nobody's prohibited from using a trademarked term to refer to the subject of the trademark, even if they're denigrating it: for example, if Pepsi produces an ad talking about "This is why Pepsi is always better than Coca-Cola", Coke can't sue them for trademark infringement because they're only using the name to talk about the other product. Since scholarly terminology isn't trademarked, none of this is applicable anyway. Nyttend (talk) 22:09, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

In receipt of your note. Since i am an admirer of Justice O'Connor and of her decision on the sine qua non of originality, i agree with your high value of it. You have put your finger on a central matter, and John H. Hick is recognized by a very large group of scholars and associated publications to be the uniquely Original author of the phrase "Augustinian theodicy". Not only is he recognized as the uniquely original author of this term but there have been two book-length studies of his unique theological innovation of this term, as well as a large established literature. The standard for acknowledging John H. Hick's originality on this issue is provided in my link from the 'Augustinian Theodicy' Talk page to David Griffin who acknowledges using the standard of the religious community scholars as "A Critique of John H. Hick's Theodicy". Acknowledging this standard of unique originality to Hick is not done on the Wikipage for Theodicy.

The term theodicy was only invented in Leibnitz in the 18th century for the first time, over one thousand years after Augustine. This was explained on the Talk page of Iren. Theodicy three weeks ago, and the principal authors of the page (ItsZip and Quad) acknowledged this and agreed to include proper attribution to Hick in the first sentence of the article. A drive-by editor then took it out last week, and then the copyright issue of proper attribution against copyright violation returned. After Leibnitz, John Hick's introduced the uniquely Original phrase "Augustinian theodicy" in 1966 and attained large fame in the scholarly community thereafter. Two book anthologies have been published to honor him for this.

There are actually four words involved in the proper attribution for fair use provision which remain unaddressed: "Augustinian theodicy" and "Irenaean theodicy" both of which were copyrighted by the publisher for John Hick as being used by him for the first time, two hundred years after Leinitz invented the word "Theodicy" for the first time. This is not acknowledged on the Wiki article under discussion.

Since everything else you mentioned in your most recent note was so accurate, i need to add that when i did a comparison of the wikipage outline to the book table-of-contents it matched up one-for-one. That is, for each section in the wikipage essay, i was able to draw a direct line from the subsection subtitles to a specific section in the book's table-of-contents. Are you saying that you could not do this? On my desk i have the one-to-one match-up before me and can provide you with the match-up from each subsection of the wikipage to a unique section within the Table-of-contents for the book. Please confirm if you can or cannot do this. If they match up, then the difficult for copyright infringement becomes even more prominent. 209.3.238.61 (talk) 18:00, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

I have told you numerous times that two words are insufficient for copyright: the publisher cannot copyright them. Since you refuse to listen, I have nothing more to say on this matter. Nyttend (talk) 21:35, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

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Just A Moment

Your speedy deletion of several boxing posters, in my opinion, was completely unwarranted. First off the debate had only four users who offered opinions (not including Stefan). Two who voted keep and two who voted against. Because of this, we opened another discussion here and I took it upon myself to re-upload the deleted pictures at least until the new debate was settled. This time, more people participated and we were able to clearly reach an agreement to keep the posters. For whatever reason Stefan just could not seem to move past his defeat and remained somewhat bitter if you will. I don't think he understands the promotional side of boxing, which is all about hype and just how important these images are; they are not just part of boxing history, but Worldwide sports history as well. So I ask of you one thing, to do the right thing and reconsider your decision to delete these images Beast from da East (talk) 00:42, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but before we move on from this, several things need to be considered. One thing that must be is the the discussion that I've linked in the above paragraph clearly shows that there are several users that do feel that the images should be kept. The thing is, these poster are in fact circulated all across the world. Like I've stated before boxing is all about hype and these posters are a crucial part of promoting the event and become the de facto image associated with it. I mean they represent some of the most important and profitable sporting events of all time. Perhaps another discussion is order because I really feel strongly about having these posters included on the article. Beast from da East (talk) 01:24, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

File:Phi Sigma Kappa, Gamma Chapter, at Cornell University, 2010.jpg

Under what justification did you restore this file? When you restored it you also removed the deletion tag. In this case it clearly violates N NFCC. Werieth (talk) 01:08, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

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Problems with addition of unsourced material.

This IP editor has been "claiming" that 'Corazon Indomable' already ended and its successor 'Por siempre mi amor' already started even though: 1. CI ends tonight with a 2-hour finale broadcast at 6pm Mexico time, as per source. 2. PSMA will be broadcast tomorrow October 7 at 4:20pm Mexico time, again per source.

I've warned him for the past few days and told him to not make those "claims" official until said finale happens for CI, and until PSMA is broadcast tomorrow, but he chose to ignore my warnings. I thank you in advance for your time. Platinum Star (talk) 18:21, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Repost of Jeopardy! set evolution

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I note that when you removed the CSD tag, you said that it is "Nowhere near the same as before." This isn't really true. It looks nearly identical to the 2009 version. If we need to keep the history, I think the right option here would be to redirect it. Mr.Z-man 22:25, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Look at the edit history: it's been changed around tons of times, including by the IP address that's been actively editing it just recently. I don't particularly care about what's done with it as far as redirecting or not, but the content has experienced numerous changes and therefore is not a repost, so deletion will require an AFD. Nyttend (talk) 01:29, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

This article had no recent edits until you restored it 17:48, September 25, 2013‎. The article was previously speedily deleted and WP:SALTed based on CSD G4 guidelines on April 28, 2009, after discussion in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeopardy! set evolution (3rd nomination). The article was deleted after recreation on May 20, 2009, and deleted and salted again on September 8, 2010 after another recreation. [1] AldezD (talk) 03:08, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I see what's going on; sorry for the confusion. A previous AFD resulted in a decision of "merge and delete", which is illegal — it prevents the attribution that's absolutely required by the licenses that we use here. An AFD may not result in a decision that violates the law or various basic principles, and Wikipedia:Copyrights is one of those basic principles that depends on the law. Nyttend (talk) 11:44, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Frank Schlosser House

Are you sure File:Frank Schlosser House.jpg is the right building? I looked up the nomination form to start an article on it, and it says the house and harness shop on the property weren't built until 1908 and 1890 respectively, and the picture of the house in HARGIS doesn't match your picture. (That, and the sign in front of the building says "Joseph Schlosser House", which isn't mentioned in the nomination form.) TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 05:28, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

I found the Okawville Chamber of Commerce page about the Heritage House Museum, but it doesn't really clarify things. It seems to include the Frank Schlosser Home and the Joseph Schlosser Home as separate properties within the Heritage House Museum, but it also includes an otherwise unrelated house in what appears to be a different part of the town. While the nomination form does mention eight structures but only lists seven, I doubt the Joseph Schlosser House is the missing building; not mentioning it at all in the listing seems like a major omission considering that they described three nondescript outbuildings. Perhaps they're counting one of the fences or wells as a structure, though I couldn't say which one from the nomination. (Incidentally, neither of the sources you found seems to say anything about the Schlossers, unfortunately.)

At this point, I'm inclined to write an article about the Heritage House Museum as a whole, including the third house. It kind of lets us sidestep the issue of what's in the NRHP listing and what isn't, and based on the Chamber of Commerce website, I'm pretty sure all three of those houses are historically significant. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 00:07, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip on county histories; I'll keep that in mind for the future. I've used them before when writing community articles, but I haven't used them much for historic sites unless I came across them in a book search. By the way, I'm pretty sure every town in southern Illinois is pronounced differently from what you'd expect (especially if it's named after another city; Cairo is probably the most famous example of this). TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 03:02, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't think the house mentioned in the nomination form is the house you took a picture of either, since the house in your picture was built two years after Frank Schlosser was born. Schlosser isn't mentioned in the nomination form for the springs resort either, which is a bit on the short side (I wrote that article a few days ago). And I checked the article on Vienna, and it's pronounced with a long I, in typical southern Illinois fashion. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 03:40, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

That one is pretty short, though it also might be one of those listings where HARGIS replaced the real nomination form with a state form. Given how bad some of those early 70s forms are, though, I wouldn't be surprised if it was the actual nomination. The worst I've seen is probably the Madera County Courthouse in California; it's not online because of the shutdown, but as I recall the description and statement of significance are less than two pages combined, and half of that is spent practically begging for a listing so they could get money to rehabilitate the building. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 04:04, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

That's very odd. I can't imagine how an obscure book about whaling became the sample citation for Illinois state historic surveys. It certainly isn't because of the state's prominent whaling industry, though whales do live at one historic site. (Ironically, it looks like there's supposed to be a link to the state form on the Curtis House report since there are three separate links, but you can only find the national form there.) TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 04:45, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll keep that in mind if I want to start articles for any of those sites. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 20:18, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Huh. According to this pronunciation guide, it isn't pronounced like the Austrian city, but then again that guide's from the 1950s so things may have changed. That or the locals are so used to the more common pronunciation that they don't bother correcting people (or the person you talked to was too nice to say anything). TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 01:22, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

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Combination Lock (game show)

Why was this G4 only now protested? It was deleted two years ago, and just now someone finds out that it wasn't a valid G4? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 21:42, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Okay, were any others of mine overturned? Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 00:42, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

The entire "awards" section appears to be copied verbatim from Anna Paquin. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 01:03, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Okay, my bad. I was going from the nomination's assertation that it was a copy-paste job. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 02:05, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

The Terrible Towel

Regarding declining the db-move for The Terrible Towel, would it change your opinion if the official name is The Terrible Towel? See the official trademark: THE TERRIBLE TOWEL--GrapedApe (talk) 02:45, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

You should know that such anti-Terrible Towel language can cause terrible curses: Terrible Towel#Opposition.--GrapedApe (talk) 03:18, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
My bad on the AFD--GrapedApe (talk) 04:05, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

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You blocked Januarythe18th (talk · contribs) on the 10th for privacy policy violations. I suspect - from the nature of the edit and the style of the user name that this edit is Januarythe18th returning to the fray. I'm not asking for action, but as it is recent, I thought you could advise based on the aspects of the case. What's the appropriate process for my concern? ANI? or another noticeboard? I will hold hard - and AGF since it could be a coincidence, or a fellow traveller rather than the same editor - but I'd like to know if possible for future reference. GraemeLeggett (talk) 16:25, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

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w/index.php

Hi - this redirect is causing the target page to wind up fully protected because it's listed on User:John Reaves/PT as a potential spambot target. I think it needs to be deleted. ;) — foxj 21:50, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

No worries! Thanks for coming up with a better solution! — foxj 08:24, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Scouting ranks (Scout Association of Japan)

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Discussion of interest

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Barnstar

		<font=3> National Register of Historic Places Photo Barnstar given with respect and admiration to Nyttend for finding sites in 9 categories of Challenge #12 - Scavenger Hunt in Missouri. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 05:07, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Your image was used in a news article

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Request for advice

For the first time since being on Wikipedia, I (and another editor) am being bullied, rather systematically. I've reported this on the Admin noticeboard. Another experienced admin, whose judgement I trust, has contributed to the page. Not sure if he is going to sum things up or what. Obviously I don't want to contact him!

The bullies have simply continued bullying, even on the Admin notification page (!), and are inventing new ways! My encounters with pov people before has been mostly confined to people with limited experience and, while it might have taken awhile, we convinced them to desist. These people are experienced, and collaborating which I find horrifying. If I thought that 3% or more of Wikipedia editors were like them, I would stop editing now. I don't know how they have continued without admin warning, for so long.

The issue is (as always) content, with which they disagree. And I am fine with their disagreement. They are not fine with mine! Or anyone else's!

So is the Admins notification board the wrong place? Should I just "wait awhile?" Would it be better to take this to mediation? Not sure what to do. Their behavior is, IMO, obvious and (in one case) notorious. WP:AGF is in the toilet with no effort to maintain it, as well as a number of other protocols.

I would appreciate your general advice. Thanks. Replying here (or by email) would be preferable. They are, of course, watching my page, and would come up with some new bullying tactic! Student7 (talk) 17:26, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Watching this one, not your one though. You might want to stop with the accusations of collaboration, it is against a rule. Darkness Shines (talk) 17:43, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Nowiki on User talk:Holdek

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I've replied to your reply on my page. Bishonen | talk 15:39, 19 October 2013 (UTC).

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Hi Nyttend. Neo ^ has had an open unblock request for the last 3 weeks with you as the reviewing administrator. He has been unable to to file a new request due to the current one still awaiting review. Would you mind actioning the unblock one way or another? I'll be dropping a line to Daniel Case, as well. Ish dar ian 10:39, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

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Dispute not resolved

Regarding [2], no, the dispute over Chris's spurious noticeboard postings is not resolved. --erachima talk 16:16, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Could you close

Wikipedia_talk:Conflict_of_interest#Something_that_should_be_changed_for_such_a_discussion:_Disclosure_for_COI_policy_discussions or find an equally respected admin to do it? Smallbones_(smalltalk) 21:36, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

NRHP

I recently noticed that the NRHP nomination forms for at least some listings in at least Garret county Maryland are now available on the Maryland State Archives site. I don’t think this was true when I was taking pics there in 2012. Only small summary page was available on the Maryland Historical Trust site, but I could be wrong about that.

Some NRHP entries, like Hagans Homestead use the nomination form as a reference, when it is available somewhere. Some, like Pennington Cottage use the summary from the MHT site as a reference when the nom form is (or was) not.

I started the process of adding an external link to sites like Pennington, with an external link to the full nom at the MHT site. Another possibility would be to replace the summary reference with a reference to the full nom, but looking closely at each one to make sure that the information referenced is in fact in the nom form is more work that necessary at this point, hence the adding of the nom form as an external link.

I bring this up with you because you are actively editing in this area, and you are working on a bot project with Dudemanfellabra that may make certain assumptions on external links vs references vs known locations for the nom forms, etc. Is what I’m doing on pages like Anderson Chapel helpful, hurtful, or neutral? Generic1139 (talk) 15:15, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

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Discussion pages are not articles

I'm not sure why the talk page archives under "Xiao (mythology)" are problematic. It is permissible, indeed in most cases obligatory under Wikipedia policy (largely due to copyright concerns) to preserve the user contributions represented in the discussion "talk" pages associated with articles. The archival contents of discussion pages are not subject to deletion, speedy or otherwise, except under extremely rare circumstances; indeed, discussion pages,do not meet the technical definition of an "article", on Wikipedia. Indeed, this is perhaps the only time that I have seen someone removing archival material from talk pages, and I am quite certain that this is not at all in accord with Wikipedia policy regarding archived discussion material (in fact, the archiving of article discussion ("talk") pages is a standard practice, even automatically by bot software). Deleting them is against normal practice, and even allowable practice, as far as I know. There may have been a problem with the implementation of these discussion page archives, or a glitch in the Wikipedia software, although it's hard to do an analysis when you have not only nominated talk page archives for deletion, but removed the material from the talk page with which the discussion is associated (it seems the "Hsigo" article is basically being moved to "Xiao (mythology)", and being rewritten, for good reasons, as indicated in the associated discussion pages, some of which you have removed, apparently with the intention of permanently deleting them. I did notice that the non-article pages which you have decided should be treated as articles for deletion did show up listed in X!s Tools, in article space, so I can see why you may have considered them to be actual articles. I'm not sure why, and it's the first time that I have seen this, but I suggest that it would be better to restore the archived discussion material and to instead figure out a different solution to whatever problem may exist with these non-article discussion pages (and, which may indeed have something to do with my implementation of them, perhaps a syntax error in the names). Maybe they just need to be re-named if they are showing up stored in the wrong data space. Thank you for your attention to this matter and taking the time to consider the seriousness of this matter. Dcattell (talk) 06:35, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Or, am I confusing your actions in this regard with User:Largoplazo?

Sorry, I guess I looked at the pages in a transitional state, and it seemed like things were moving along too hastily for me to comprehend (plus I'm unfamiliar with many of the references of the procedure, like "R2"!). But, anyway, now I see. Sorry, I tend to get nervous about archival integrity, and thank you (both) for helping to fix my mistakes. Dcattell (talk) 07:11, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Gaston Borch

On 23 October 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gaston Borch, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that Gaston Borch conducted the first orchestral performance to be broadcast on Swedish radio? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Gaston Borch. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 08:03, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

The "Sviatoslaw Trofimenko" article needs to be deleted

The article relating to "Sviatoslaw Trofimenko" …

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sviatoslaw_Trofimenko

… needs to be deleted - this is not the correct spelling of the late Mr. Trofimenko's name and Mr. Trofimenko's widow has asked me to correct this misinformation.

I have created a new article with the name spelled correctly ... "Swiatoslaw Trofimenko" ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiatoslaw_Trofimenko

Please note the corrected spelling "Swiatoslaw" versus the incorrect spelling "Sviatoslaw".

Therefore, the article ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sviatoslaw_Trofimenko ... needs to be deleted.

I repeat - the correct article can now be found at …

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiatoslaw_Trofimenko

Thank you.

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Illinois map

Have a look at the new Illions map I made on the Graphics Lab-page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Graphics_Lab/Map_workshop#Illinois_locator_map 143.176.96.236 (talk) 09:23, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Re: PAHMC release?

Sorry - I once contacted PennDOT and they released for their NRHP bridges photos, but I have not been in contact with PHMC about the historical markers (I replied on the Commons Files for Deletion page yesterday - sorry to be slow, very busy IRL). Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 11:57, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

edit warring ip attacking without argumentation

there is ip editor edit warring at mafia state who does not want to give a proper edit summary other then some gruesome accusations like calling me "sockpuppet" just because of some so called "ip from the same country" at first i explained why i did my edit and he continues to disrupt the aritcle so there was no point for me to argue with him so i just reply that he is a sockpuppet himself, he should be blocked or something 90.129.84.220 (talk) 16:25, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

I gave a proper edit summary - there is absolutely nothing wrong with reusing same image that was used in different article. Second of all, you ARE a long-term vandal who specifically tries to edit this (and other Putin/Russia - related articles) for whatever agenda you have, anyone can look up edit history of this article, starting around this time:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/95.199.26.163

You were trying to remove Putin's photo (as well as other "negative" information) at that time, including using your (now banned, for multiple sockpuppetry) user account "Peterzor" and you are continuing to do the same exact thing right now. This is the simple fact. 98.116.53.5 (talk) 19:59, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

stop lying! how dare you come up with this nonsense, why cant you just accept there are people with diffrent opinions, of course the picture does not belong there we do not need two identical articles, that article is not just about putin so we should not show russia out of proportions there are already massive critisim in all putin related articles on wikipedia, "mafia state" is very dirty electioneering, am not opossing critisim of putin, claims about authoritarian government is true but why do you have make thing up 90.129.84.220 (talk) 20:22, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

The fact that you continue to vandalize same exact article in same exact way (even though multiple editors have reversed your edits multiple times) over such long term has nothing to do with an "opinion". Anyway, I presented my evidence, the rest is up to Administrator to decide. 98.116.53.5 (talk) 20:37, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

this ip user does not want to discuss the matter and instead just accusing me if vandalism and sockpuppetry, i did a completly normal edit

there is no reason to force the article to be focused on putin! there already is a similar article with the same picture, i do not know what agenda this ip has but wikipedia should be a place for dirty politics, wikipedia should be neutral, yes putin is a authoritarian leader i have nothing aganist the dictator part but "mafia state" neologism is just verty dirty political propoganda we do not need a putin picure, the article is obviously about the concept not olny about putin and we already has a similar article with the very same picture 90.129.84.220 (talk) 20:43, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm not particularly interested in this dispute and don't have a clear opinion on which one (or two) of you two is in the wrong, so I've semiprotected it for a month. Feel free to continue discussing at the article's talk page, and remember that semiprotection can always be removed if you show that you're not going to continue edit warring. Nyttend (talk) 21:32, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

I do not really see the point - same vandal just re-used one of his socks to get around semi-protection. Oh well, I guess that means I have to do the same... Right? Thank you for your "encouragement". 98.116.53.5 (talk) 23:13, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

The edit summary is an admission of sockpuppetry, and since the sock was used specifically for edit warring, I've blocked the account indefinitely. I'm not going to block any of the IP addresses in question: it's rather pointless, as the same guy has been using multiple addresses. Please remember that people who have been blocked are not welcome to edit Wikipedia; you can report any future edits to me for {{uw-ipevadeblock}} or {{uw-sockblock}} on grounds. Nyttend (talk) 23:34, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

ANI

Is there something you suggest be discussed at ANI? You have closed the AN3 report, and there is none at ANI. Please also look at the fact that Rms125a has copied the entire AN3 report onto the Talk:Marcia Wallace page. I'd hat it as not relevant to that article, but maybe as a neutral admin it would be better if you consider doing that. Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 21:56, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)Nyttend meant AN, where RMS cross-posted the complaint. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 21:58, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

New vandalism by Medeis

~~Please see this diff -- Medeis is vandalizing the Marcia Wallace page and about to try to start an edit war. Please give him a lengthy block. Quis separabit? 22:22, 29 October 2013 (UTC)~~

Never mind. I opened a discussion about this particular issue at Wallace's talk page. Please stop by. Quis separabit? 01:30, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

"England, UK" vs "England"

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Hey.

Don't think I didn't see this! :P

Actually, though. I was gripped by fear when I saw localhost start editing, since I had been testing a filter a few minutes beforehand. The kids who came to my door right after thought I was dressed up as a ghost, but I was just terrified. m.o.p 01:50, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

:-) I assumed you'd see it; I was going to leave a talkback to make sure, but then I realised that you'd surely be checking back at some point. Just curious, because both your comments and the warning at localhost's note that a block would be bad, but nobody says what would happen. Would it just block random users, like what's detailed at the link to Prodego's talk about Unforgettableid? Or would it block the server admins themselves? Or something else? Nyttend (talk) 02:00, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Not quite sure - I was told to avoid blocking it, presumably because we've never had a situation like this before and nobody was sure what that would do. There were already a few weird consequences, primarily revolving around autoblock.

But hey, nobody's stopping you from trying! ;) m.o.p 02:14, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

No way. I came close enough in January to being put in the stocks (example link, in case you weren't online at the moment), so I'm going to do my best to avoid joining you :-) I wasn't sure if we knew that it would be bad or if we simply didn't know what would happen; thanks for checking back with a quick reply. Nyttend (talk) 02:22, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

ANI - Sisterlinks

Hello-

I'm dropping a more personal note here, but I left a short response regarding the possible benefit of removing {{Sisterlinks}} to articles created by a topic banned user at the thread on ANI.

Personally, I don't have any issue whatsoever with the editors at List of new religious movements or really anywhere else. Cirt is a highly respected editor, former admin, and obviously a very valuable contributor to the project. I thought for a very long time before posting at ANI, and I don't take posting there lightly at all. I don't think my proposal is "crazy", and I do think it's a simple solution to the problem. In that subject area, Cirt has shown reliably over a very long time to not be able to maintain a NPOV. Removing links to his creations (in this subject area) on other projects seems like a perfectly reasonable action. Maintaining those links continues the long pattern of POV editing. I have now spent a month trying to unwind the mess of a single article, and he (and others) are actively editing from a clear POV in ways that negatively impact the article. I am open to other solutions, but I haven't found any.

Thank you for your input, and I am genuinely interested in any other solutions you see. Cheers! --Tgeairn (talk) 04:30, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Godwin-Knowles House

Replied to your query on my talk page. Blueboar (talk) 02:29, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Those articles about Lower Saxony, etc

I've been asked to implement your suggestions at [3]. I know I don't have time for about 36 hours, and I'm not even clear about what I need to do about the restorations to keep the history intact. Delete, restore a set of edits, then move the article to a new name? So, I either need more of an idiot's guide (which would be great), or to ask you to do it! Sorry to be a pain. Dougweller (talk) 17:54, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Done, now that I understand how that works thanks to your excellent tuition! Dougweller (talk) 17:55, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

CfD - Breeders' Cup Ladies' Classic

Hi - thanks for the comment re the C2D possibility for my proposed category move - I did see as one of the possibilities but wasn't entirely sure as I haven't done much around category moves, so decided to err on the side of caution and go for a full rename proposal - will bear your comment in mind for future cases, thanks for your help with this. --Bcp67 (talk) 21:31, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Writer's Barnstar
	Grand Tower Island is a very nice article. keep up the good work Hell In A Bucket (talk) 15:13, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Ramsar sites of Poland

We were reviewing and editing the article at the same time, please take a look again, you'll find that it is well over 1500 characters.... Ajh1492 (talk) 16:49, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

I've brought in a second source for content reference points and re-sumarized the entire article. I can't make it more abstract without delving into original research. The numbers remain, but still have an immediate ref tag. Ajh1492 (talk) 14:28, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Photos

Thanks for letting me know. I may work on some of those counties, or at least Saline, Williamson, and Jackson, which seem to be in the worst shape; for a combined 26 listings, they have only two images and didn't have any articles that weren't NRIS-only stubs until a month ago. Thanks for getting all those images; it really helps in writing the article when I can see what the site actually looks like and add a nice picture. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 07:44, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

The website for Giant City State Park appears to have some information on the lodge; I might just describe that listing as part of the state park's article, since it's the main lodging for the park. And the most striking thing about that map is the giant red circle around Bloomington; were it not for you, Indiana and eastern Illinois would probably look like Forgottonia does. (The Chicago photographers seem to be more focused on the Chicago-area counties, or else Warren and Knox counties would have had more pictures before you went there.) TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 19:39, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

It looks like the Giant City Lodge uses the historic cabins for lodging rather than the lodge itself (though there are also more modern cabins used as lodging as well, which complicates things a bit). Good luck with the book! TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 00:50, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Huh, that's too bad. Their website really shouldn't be allowed to call them the "historic" cabins if they were built in the eighties, though... TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 02:33, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

I don't have that book; now that I think about it, I'm not sure that I have any local history books, actually. They're usually fairly expensive, and since I'm only interested in history as a hobby it's hard to justify getting them. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 03:06, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know; I was planning to do the other two Union County articles (and expand the two substubs) when I have time. Incidentally, are all of the address-restricted nominations publicly available like that if you know the reference number? If so, that's really poor security on their part, since I stumbled across another address-restricted nomination just by incrementing the reference number. (Not that it matters much, since most of their locations are publicly available anyway...) TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 07:45, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I figured it was a security through obscurity-type situation. I'll treat those documents like print references as well; if anyone wants them to expand the article, they can always contact one of us. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 00:16, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks so much! Those numbers are going to be really helpful when I get to writing about those sites. As an aside, I didn't realize there's an address-restricted site in Cook County. Though given that it's a house in a suburban area, I doubt there's any good reason for it to be address-restricted (though I have my suspicions as to why it is). TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 01:09, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Sure, I can help with that; it's definitely a useful list (as is the category, which probably should have been created a while ago). Good job on the Wabash County Courthouse; that's the first time I've seen an official historic site survey call a building ugly (even if they're probably right). TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 07:20, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

I added the link to most of the sites, excepting most of the more modern sites and a few where the link seemed to stick out (like Starved Rock State Park and Cahokia). You're welcome to add the link to any of those if you think it would fit there. By the way, I noticed that Koster Site appears to be a poorly targeted redirect and has a different link in your list; any idea what to do about that? TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 09:21, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

I can probably start articles for all three over the next few days, depending on when I get the time. The articles should be at the currently redirected titles anyway, and given how long those redirects have existed waiting a few more days probably won't hurt much. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 20:52, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

I started the nomination; see Template:Did you know nominations/Wabash County Courthouse (Illinois). I've never really liked the QPQ system, to be honest; it usually forces me to review articles outside of areas I know about, and I feel like it can lead to lower-quality reviews. It's part of the reason that I haven't done many DYK self-noms lately; incidentally, if you ever see a new article of mine that looks DYK-worthy, feel free to nominate it. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 03:27, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Do you happen to have the nomination form for the Koster Site? It doesn't seem to be publicly listed in HARGIS, even though the site isn't actually address-restricted. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 10:42, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I just finished Koster Site, so all three of those odd redirects have articles now. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 08:00, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

MOS:COMMA

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Ok...

The image had a copyright notice on the image, which I had a feeling that the image didn't belong to the user. Also, you threating to block me again is not assuming good faith, and this time I won't use a template for that matter if that's what you were planning to get from me, so please if this is offensive to you, I would highly appreciate it if you would settle this kind of matter by discussing it instead of cutting to the case by threating, and/or blocking someone. Thank You! Blurred Lines 01:51, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I did check the links that the user putted, and mostly I didn't see anything that was a resemblance to the photo's actual license, that's why I assumed that it was no evidence for permission. Apparently, you have a very good eye than I do, if that's what you think, and mostly I don't really respect it, but it is you telling me what mistakes that I have done wrong. Yes, you make a very good part of your behalf if you were not assuming good faith, but it's still off-topic from the threating message that you have send me and have restored. Yes, thank you so much that you are understanding that I am trying to do my best here, and not trying to cause any serious trouble. I hate to say this, but I thank you that you have blocked me so that I could take some time off photos and focus more on articles, but sometimes me doing my job on photos, I really miss it, that's why I have gone back to it in the first place. Also, you saying my deleted edits couldn't be trusted, I have no idea how that makes any sense whatsoever, because if your trying to say it couldn't be trusted, then your actually trying to say the admins that were handling it couldn't be trusted enough to handle it, other than you. Blurred Lines 03:20, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Reverts of RjwilmsiBot

Why are you reverting it? Confused. Renata (talk) 22:57, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

The bot run violated both WP:CONTEXTBOT and WP:CITEVAR: it was changing around punctuation on hundreds or thousands of articles, and its changes took articles away from citation standards such as MLA or Chicago. Nyttend (talk) 22:59, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Do either of those prohibit dashes for page ranges? ex. 1, ex. 2 -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:58, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

No edition I've consulted says to use them, and they definitely say to use hyphens, so again, we have a bot that's changing citations away from the established styles that are chosen by editors. Meanwhile, if some editions permit dashes, we need human editorial discretion to know whether a page is using one of those editions or one of the editions I've seen. Nyttend (talk) 05:18, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Overlink

Hi ... I just passed your Sacred Heart Catholic Church (Dayton, Ohio) article at DYK, but have questions as to some of your reverts.

For example, just to pick one that popped out immediately -- why don't you believe that it is a violation of wp:overlink to link United States. The link does not seem particularly relevant to the topic of the article, is an everyday word understood by most readers in context, is the name of a major geographic location -- in other words, it is the poster-child of what wp:overlinks says should not be linked. And do you really think that is a link that will be helpful? I would think that people who read wikipedia know what the US is.--Epeefleche (talk) 05:59, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

[Inserting your comment here ... rather than be forced to run back and forth between pages to follow this discussion ... ]

This is a perfect example of a link that is highly relevant to the context. The United States is not November 12, which should only be linked on articles about dates/months/etc; it should be linked in articles about places within its boundaries, because it is highly relevant to them. Let me suggest that you be much more careful with this script; it wrongly changed the spelling of a few words, it wrongly added {{convert}} templates in a couple of spots in which the metric measurements were given later in the same sentence, and it removed YYYY-MM-DD dates in citations, in violation of WP:CITEVAR. Nyttend (talk) 06:04, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

For all the reasons stated above, including my near-quote of wp:overlink above, I think this is just the sort of link (the United States???) that wp:overlink is meant to have us avoid. But I'll leave word at that page -- perhaps others have different views.--Epeefleche (talk) 06:19, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

From a comment Epeefleche left at MOSLINK, they are correct that the link to Ohio or the US in this lead - about a local church - is inappropriate. We only link the most germaine terms (and avoid chain linking), and for a local church, the most germaine geographical link is the local city that it is in as clearly the church serves that town. A reader reading about this church is very unlikely to need to jump to Ohio or US from this article, and if they do, they can follow the chain of links through the Dayton article to get there. --MASEM (t) 16:32, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Also spelling. I correct the spelling of "worshipping" -- the British preferred spelling -- to the American preferred spelling, with only one p. See here. But you switched it away from the American spelling. Was wondering why. Thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 06:06, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

One finds "worshipping" in American texts; this is a rarer variant, not a spelling error. Nyttend (talk) 06:07, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

One may "find it", but it is clearly not the preferred -- and my (American) spell-check reads it as incorrect. There are many references that point to the fact -- as in the cite I gave you above -- that says " British usage: worship, worshipped, worshipping; American usage: worship, worshiped, worshiping". See also here. Even Wiktionary has it right -- (UK) worshipping or (US) worshiping, simple past and past participle (UK) worshipped or (US) worshiped). And since this is an American subject, not a British one, we should use the preferred American spelling.--Epeefleche (talk) 06:19, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Renaming of List of artifacts significant to the Bible

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DYK for Grand Tower Island

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You wrote:

Response to your comments:

Basically a sandbar, I assume, but I'm using it in the sense of "a small river island that's lots longer than its width".
I vainly sought a history of Perry County, Missouri, and I consulted a history of Jackson County, Illinois, but I was unable to find a date or year for when the river shifted. "Recorded" here means the historic period, i.e. after the area was settled, unlike oxbows such as Horseshoe Lake, which formed either when nobody was living there or when only Indians were in the area.

What would you suggest I change? Nyttend backup (talk) 23:47, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Hey buddy, long time no chat!

I'd suggest a parenthetical explanation after "towhead", e.g., "A towhead (a long, thin island) approximately...". As to the date of the channel shift, I'd suggest simply saying that the date of the shift is unclear, just to head off questions like mine. Keep up the good work, BTW. --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 01:20, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

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ANI

I don't intend responding to this extraordinary comment in the thread, as others have more than adequately dealt with it. I would, however, invite you to withdraw it. DeCausa (talk) 12:40, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Sacred Heart Catholic Church (Dayton, Ohio)

On 15 November 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Sacred Heart Catholic Church (Dayton, Ohio), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that many paintings inside the Sacred Heart Catholic Church (pictured) in Dayton, Ohio, were intentionally painted over? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Sacred Heart Catholic Church (Dayton, Ohio). You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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DYK for St. Mary's Catholic Church (Dayton, Ohio)

On 17 November 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article St. Mary's Catholic Church (Dayton, Ohio), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that World War II aviators used the towers of St. Mary's Catholic Church (pictured) as a navigational landmark? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/St. Mary's Catholic Church (Dayton, Ohio). You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Your assistance please

You recently deleted File:CCGS Labrador.gif Could you please tell me who uploaded it, and when?

Could you tell me who listed it for deletion?

Could you check its information template, and list here the source field that showed where the image was taken from?

Thanks Geo Swan (talk) 16:00, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt response. I don't need the description and history anymore. Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 19:50, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

T: template redirects

Hi, you participated in Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2010 December 29#T:, some of which I have relisted at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2013 November_18#T:WPTECH. Please come along and share your thoughts .. ;-) John Vandenberg ^(chat) 15:41, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

2016 Formula One Season is a cut and paste of 2015 Formula One season

Compare here[4] and here[5]. I replied to you at ANI too....William 23:20, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Now what are you going to do about 2016 Formula One season which you un-csd? Or about this[6] AFD? The undid article I redid the CSD but someone took them off? You mean that's going to have to go through AFD now? Please write back....William 23:43, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

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A pie for you!

Thank you for voting to unblock me. I'll simply avoid editing Latin American topics. I don't want to cause any more distress at AN than what is already regularly in it. That said, I appreciate your wise judgment. MarshalN20 | ^Talk 14:39, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

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"False positives" for NationalRegisterBot

You recently removed the NRIS-only tag from Piatt Castles and DuPage County Courthouse, calling them "false positives." This is not entirely true, and the next time I run the bot, these articles will be retagged if left in their current state. The bot checks for inline citations, not just things listed in the "References" section. The only inline citations in these articles are to NRIS, and that is why they were tagged. If you don't want them to be tagged, convert the references listed to inline references, i.e. expand the article with information from those references. Just pointing that out in case there was any confusion.--Dudemanfellabra (talk) 03:24, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

County courthouses

Glad to see you're putting your new book to use. The list looks pretty good so far (aside from the missing columns). Though the final title should probably be List of county courthouses in Illinois, to match the other articles in Category:Lists of county courthouses in the United States. All the existing lists seem to include a column linking the counties, too, though I can understand if you leave that out since it's somewhat duplicative. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 05:53, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Nice article! That nomination form is definitely on the shorter end, though. I need to remember to check for online county histories when I write articles for sites with bad nomination forms. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 05:59, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Nothing's leaping out at me either. You could probably make a hook out of the invasion of the site, since that might catch people's attention. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 02:04, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Oh dear, I didn't notice the other page existed when I started the newer article. I'll merge those if you don't get to it first. Unfortunately, the sources used in each article seem to disagree on when the courthouse moved to Lincoln; does your book say anything about that? TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 21:37, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for merging the articles! TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 23:52, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Bitcoin

Thank you for your recent edits to the Bitcoin article. I don't understand what this phrase is meant to mean though, "even though the issuing network is constantly decreasing the rate of inflation." Are you referring to the fact that the rate of bitcoin creation is halved every four years? Chris Arnesen 02:09, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for cleaning up Bitcoin vs bitcoin. [7]. I'd write "A bitcoin exchange" instead of "A Bitcoin exchange" since here it's referring to the unit of currency. What do you think? Cheers, Chris Arnesen 10:20, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Wabash County Courthouse (Illinois)

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User talk:GreekAlphabeta

Poor guy. First he gets blocked based on a completely bogus report (not your fault whatsoever), and now he's having his talk page vandalized by another of those IP socks... Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 20:37, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Greetings

Could you please explain to me what is innaccurate? Biosthmors (talk) pls notify me (i.e. {{U}}) while signing a reply, thx 13:06, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

I'd prefer you revert your edit, honestly. Biosthmors (talk) pls notify me (i.e. {{U}}) while signing a reply, thx 13:08, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

I think you should revert that edit. Biosthmors (talk) pls notify me (i.e. {{U}}) while signing a reply, thx 13:20, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Kolmer Site

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NRHP sites

Thanks Nyttend. As you can see by Category:National Register of Historic Places in Pendleton County, West Virginia and Category:National Register of Historic Places in Pleasants County, West Virginia, the lesson has been learned. Thanks! -- Caponer (talk) 02:14, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Hey Nyttend! I hope my mea culpa on the CfD page sufficed and allowing the quick redirect to move forward! Thanks for having these taken care of and moved to their proper name! -- Caponer (talk) 02:05, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

He pulled his opposition in response to my post which was part mea culpa, part concurrence with your rationale. It looks like my mea culpa was worth something after all. ;) -- Caponer (talk) 03:16, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Carneal House

Could you have a look at Carneal House (Covington, Kentucky's oldest house)? You added it used to be known as Elmwood Hall.

There are two contradictory addresses. It is not located at 244--246 Forrest Ave, Ludlow, Kentucky, as given in the infobox. It's on 405 East Second Street in Covington, Kentucky, as indicated in the article text and this source.

The Google Maps link is also wrong. Gilliam (talk) 07:19, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

[update] I talked to a local historian friend, who says Thomas D. Carneal lived in both houses. If each of the houses are listed separately on the National Register, perhaps there should be different infoboxes in two sections describing both addresses.- Gilliam (talk) 08:05, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

My view is that if Thomas Carneal lived in both houses, each of which is listed on the National Register, then there could be either one article with sections devoted to each property or two separate articles. As it is now, the Carneal House article confuses the reader.- Gilliam (talk) 12:50, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

If you would separate the houses, perhaps I can contribute a photo as needed.- Gilliam (talk) 13:10, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

The house shown on the map appears to be correct. I will make sure to verify before uploading the photo. Thanks- Gilliam (talk) 13:32, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

User:Sportfan5000 Arbitration block

Hi Nyttend. I've been looking at Spf5000's unblock request, and I have to say, I'm not seeing the reasoning behind the block. As far as I can tell from looking over recent contributions, nothing this user has written violates any of the sanctions applied at the Manning naming dispute case. I'm inclined to just unblock him, but in case I've missed something (wouldn't be the first time...), would you mind expounding a bit on your decision to block? Cheers, Yunshui 雲‍水 08:23, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Since it's an AE block, we can't simply unblock without the consensus of the blocking admin, or at AE, or at AN. --Rs chen 7754 08:33, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Well, quite - I should probably have phrased that better... Yunshui 雲‍水 08:40, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I have to say, I think that's reaching a bit - SPF's comment, while admittedly unnecessary and prejudiced, doesn't appear to be anywhere near egregious enough to warrant a block in itself, and I still can't see how it falls under the Manning sanctions. Given that he's already accepted that his comment was inappropriate, and has agreed to avoid such statements in future, can you see your way towards condoning an unblock? Yunshui 雲‍水 14:14, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

I appreciate the unblock and have struck through my comment. I do want to clarify that in no way was this a revert war, for which i had previous run afoul of things. And the discussion wasn't about transgenderism or sexology or anything to do with the Arbitration case. I'd appreciate if you would correct the record on that. Not because my comment was acceptable but because there are many cases where such comments are genuinely in that filter and of need to be looked at. Your time is appreciated on this. Sportfan5000 (talk) 14:34, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

@Nyttend - much obliged. Yunshui 雲‍水 15:16, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

By the way, Special:Unblock is usually the best way to unblock someone. If you look at a blocked user's contribs, there's a link to it just to the right of their username: (talk | change block | unblock | block log | uploads | logs | deleted user contributions | user rights management | filter log). It took me a while to find that the first time I unblocked someone. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:39, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

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Kemper Log House

It appears that the House was moved in January 1982 to what was then known as Sharon Woods Village. source- Gilliam (talk) 14:13, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Improper unblock, AN discussion

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Nyttend, you've probably seen the thread already, but in addition, I added a comment about being concerned about what you said there. I want to add though: I can honestly say that I'm not making any judgments that what you're saying is "bad", and I think the issue is really terrifically complex. I'd like to get your thoughts on the essay I link there. - Dank (push to talk) 03:41, 28 November 2013 (UTC) P.S. My main point is: I believe the end result of constant community discussions over where to draw the lines is just bad for everyone; a guideline would be better. What we generally end up with is people on all sides of the issues feeling attacked by people of opposing views. - Dank (push to talk) 04:45, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Please reconsider

Nyttend, I want to make a personally plea for you to reconsider your actions here. I think you have made an error. That error has cause a great deal of discord, and has long-term editors, including myself, reconsidering their ongoing involvement with the project.

I won't presume to speculate on your motivations for reversing Georgewilliamherbert's block of the IP, but If you simply choose to continue to ignore the comments of respected contributors to this project in favor of a single, non-contributing user, then I'm forced to conclude that you lack the appropriate judgement to continue as an admin.

For the sake of the community, I implore you to reconsider you position. Thank you for listening. - Mr X 19:20, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Talk:William_C.B._Sewell

IMHO this is more RFD case than a speedy. jni (talk) 18:32, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

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Thank-you Comment

Nyttend, thank-you. I have grown so weary of working alone to prevent many, many "editors" who have tried to eliminate or damage the photo File:Musée Hergé.jpg. I did not have the energy to mount much of a defense yet again over this last attempt. Thankfully, you have come to the rescue. Take heed: There will probably be others making similar attempts in the near future. Will you help me keep an eye on this file?

One thing: I have spoken to the photographer, and placed his permission on the file description ("I, the copyright holder of this work..."). You inadvertently removed it. The permission is no longer on Commons. Will you please restore the permission statement?

Thank-you again Nyttend. Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 00:37, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Ruggles Township

Why are you removing the statement I added that the Crittenden Farm is located in the township from the article, saying it's unsoruced, while leaving a photo of the farmhouse in th infobox? Are you just being disruptive? Candleabracadabra (talk) 14:51, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Sportfan5000

Hey, Nyttend, I'm sure you've heard enough about this, but Sportfan is asking that their entry on the arbitration enforcement log be amended/struck to note that it was in error. What input would you have on this? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 23:53, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

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General elections by countries CfD

Hello Nyttend. With regards to this CfD, could you say whether you favour renaming the sub-cats, per the query I've raised at the discussion? Cheers, Number 5 7 13:04, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello Nyttend. I think you may have misunderstood my comments about the categories - with the exception of Brazil, the others contain articles that are purely about the parliamentary elections and do not have the word "general" in their titles (e.g. French legislative election, 2012, Latvian parliamentary election, 2011, Ukrainian parliamentary election, 2012 etc) - it's only the categories that are called "general" elections. Number 5 7 20:54, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

Ip editor

This editor, who has done a poor job insulting me, has been adding unsourced content in addition to using the comment box to insult me with profanity. He has been warned for adding unsourced content. Platinum Star (talk) 18:42, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

FYI to Nyttend and Platinum Star: I semi-protected several pages where this user (and other IPs, in some cases) has insulted Platinum Star and has been edit-warring to add unsourced content. Since this looks like an IP-hopper, I think page protection may be the most effective response to the issues, but I may be wrong on that. For future reference, I suggest that Platinum Star should refrain from including personal insults (even something fairly mild like "please grow up!") in edit summaries, as those kinds of comments only seem to encourage further misbehavior. --Orlady (talk) 22:29, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! Nyttend backup (talk) 22:55, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I dont have comp access now and i noticed that some articles have been protected. Once i'm on my computer, then i'll be able to respond to both of you priperly, and make sure that i refrain from posting mild insults again. Thanks. Platinum Star (talk) 23:58, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to have a constructive conversation with Orlady, and if there are any problems with the IP editor, I'll speak to him/her. Thank you once more, and I hope that your comp problem is resolved soon. Platinum Star (talk) 08:12, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

DYK nom of Agroecomyrmex

I responded to your concerns at my nomination of Template:Did you know nominations/Agroecomyrmex. Could you take a look at it when you get a chance?--Kev min § 12:36, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Reply

Eh, no worries. The question is whether, in a disagreement on Talk, let's say, the fact that I'd been digging the site for a long time wouldn't give what I was saying more weight - given that I'd have a better understanding of the site than say, a person who has never dug that site or any at all (there are some things only learned via digging) - and then use the article as proof (this is the net after all and you have to regard most things as lies). Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 5 Tevet 5774 05:31, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

And Jc3s5h is correct. Actions speak louder than words here and one's arguments would demonstrate that they know what they're on about. New World archaeology is a totally foreign thing for me, I'm afraid. Anywhere in Eurasia is fine, but the Americas, no. What about prehistoric sites though? Hehe. (sorry, couldn't resist) Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 5 Tevet 5774 05:53, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

There's many sites where - even though writing was all around them - the former occupants decided to be incredibly inconsiderate and not leave us any writing. So they've no histories and are therefore prehistoric. Kabri's one of those. :p Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 7 Tevet 5774 03:35, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Eh, no worries. Do it all the time, meself. You're right to assume I'd be giving it a wee ribbing though. Not enough for monumental architecture for my tastes, at least in the more northerly areas. Mediterranean archaeology has been and always shall be our friend... because of all the lovely material culture. Well you'd have more recent prehistoric too. I actually didn't really think of prehistoric as being variable until recently, but it really is. It's just before the time of written history in any given area, which is quite recent in some cases. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | ^{Say Shalom!} 9 Tevet 5774 03:21, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Re: Survivor edit war

Thanks for taking care of that. Unfortunately, this IP has a history of edit warring from first hand experience (see December 1 UTC and their "WP:PRIOR" edits) and their past warnings/blocks. While I think they mean well with their edits, I don't think they understand the issues involved. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:47, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes per User talk:Gogo Dodo#User talk:108.162.157.141 the editor had already gone past 3RR recently, Gogo suggested that I take it to WP:ANI but just decided to let it go, the user has received plenty of warnings and explanations on the edits in question. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 01:24, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Weird unblock situation explained

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Didn't need this right now! Dougweller (talk) 17:11, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

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Doctors, Doctors', Doctor's, and their buildings

Responding to your comment: I don't have any independent knowledge of the name of the building in Nashville. I was cleaning up untagged articles on the NRHP list, and Doctor's Building showed up as unassessed -- because it was a redirect to the building in Cincinnati. I created the article so there would be a clearer basis for the disambiguation page and because I found a source (in addition to NRIS). I used the "Doctor's" spelling for the article about the Nashville building because that's the spelling in NRIS and on that Tennessean webpage I found. The placement of the apostrophe doesn't seem right, but it's quite possible that it's the name of the building. (This is the world that named a car "Millenia," after all.) --Orlady (talk) 05:31, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of General John Frelinghuysen House

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Arledge Mounds I & II

Nyttend,

Believe me it wasn't easy. Here's what happened.

I was at the Pickaway County library in Circleville doing some research. I figured since I was in that area (I live in Hillsboro) that I'd try to get some updated shots of the National Register of Historic Places. As a guide I used the Wiki "Bird's Eye" aerial photography option (the only problem is that you can't make copies with Bird's Eye). I already had a Pickaway County road map from the Department of Engineers Office. So I'm driving up and down Highway 56 southeast of Circleville. I was keeping my eyes on the road in front of me but at the same time I'm looking out my passenger window to see if I could see the mounds. I stopped into a church parking lot to get a shot but the mounds were partially obscured. So finally I pulled into the driveway (actually a long lane) of the house that was closest to the mounds. I propped my camera up on the guy's mailbox for a steady shot. I had to set the telephone option on the camera to maximum. The shot that I uploaded is about 600 yards (estimate) from where I was standing. I think the photo came out pretty good.

Neo ^

I have been following the drama with User:Neo ^, I was the one who first brought it up at a noticeboard. Today I responded to one of his "poor me" rants on Talk:Armenians in Cyprus and immediately got a nasty e-mail from him (I suppose to be expected, given his attitude). I'm not going to respond to it, but should I do anything with it?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 07:10, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Universalist Church of Westfield Center

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Will do

from a glance it looks pretty good. Merrick was fun btw - he was nutso! Smallbones_(smalltalk) 05:19, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks for the block of User:US1939. I will keep track of his edits after the block expires. Cheers! Ruigeroeland (talk) 14:42, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

HELP!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Washington_Court_House,_Ohio -- someone keeps deleting Fayette Advocate under "media" and Derek Myers under "notables" even after sources have been given. I believe they dislike Myers so that's why they keep deleting it. Please help stop this! It's just an IP address, no user ID. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leavewikifactsalone (talk • contribs) 09:00, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Nyttend, I appreciate your help on the Washington Court House page regarding the removal of Derek Myers as a notable person and the continuing circular sources that link back the themselves. Please see my comments on the WCH talk page. As of now I have never deleted Derek Myers or the Fayette Advocate from the page - it is clear that others seem to feel that the Fayette Advocate is not a credible media source as well. However, though I recognize and understand your leniency for allowing the Fayette Advocate to remain in the article, I do intend to delete the Fayette Advocate and to continue doing so based on the information I provided on the talk page. As I do, I will continue to use my name. Thank you. ThomasSchroeder (talk) 22:29, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Özgür doğrugöz

You are welcome :) The first problem of Turkish Wikipedia :) Anyway, this article has been nominated for deletion in Turkish Wikipedia, so if it's OK with you you should nominate it in here, too. It is not a notable magazine.--Rapsar (talk) 09:17, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks :) Let me know any time if you need help. Have a nice day.--Rapsar (talk) 15:54, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Carnegie Free Library of Beaver Falls

On 20 December 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Carnegie Free Library of Beaver Falls, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the grand architecture of the Carnegie Free Library of Beaver Falls (pictured) helped to influence Andrew Carnegie's decision to require simpler designs for Carnegie libraries? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Carnegie Free Library of Beaver Falls. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Harrias ^talk 13:17, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Congrats - it's quite good. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 00:15, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Historic peacockery

I'm afraid that I have to disagree with your restoration of the adjective "historic" in First United Presbyterian Church (Madison, Nebraska). The use of the adjective in the article (and in the rest of Swampyank's NRIS-only church substubs) strikes me as the very essence of peacockery: it proclaims the subject's significance without giving the reader any reason for it. In its fourth and final sentence, the article states that the building's been listed in the NRHP; it seems unnecessary to pre-iterate that in the first sentence.

My objection to the adjective only applies in cases like this one, where no explanation of the historic significance is given. In a real article, it wouldn't be at all inappropriate to describe the subject as "historic" in the lead section, as a one-word summary of a reasonably detailed explanation in the article's body. Ammodramus (talk) 16:56, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Sorry for the misunderstanding; an edit summary doesn't give one much room to explain one's reasoning.

For what it's worth, the photo at the Presbyterian-church article is the first one that I ever took expressly for Commons, and was taken after you suggested to me that it'd be nice to have some pictures of NRHP sites in Madison County or elsewhere in Nebraska. Obviously, I uploaded it before I learned that it was possible to edit photos to correct camera tilt... Ammodramus (talk) 17:25, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

I don't generally save my WP photos; I assume that I can go back to Commons and download something that I've uploaded. I do lots of switching between two different computers, and trying to keep identical records on both is plenty of work without the photos. I remembered that the Madison Presbyterian photos were among the first that I took, and checked my contribution history at Commons to verify it. Actually, the first NRHP photos that I uploaded were some that I'd taken earlier at the Gosper County courthouse, and saved to show to a fellow Art Deco enthusiast; the First Presby shots were the first for which I went out with the express intent of photographing something for WP.

I don't do much in the way of editing; I use Microsoft Office Picture Manager, which allows tilting and cropping and not much else. The only other editing I've done involved using the program that came with my camera to eliminate red eyes on some Nebraska politicians. Ammodramus (talk) 21:27, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Template:Campaignbox Little Rock

Would you please explain your edit summary "Vandalism by tagger" on the restoration of Template:Campaignbox Little Rock? I don't have a strong objection to the template existing as a redirect – nothing should link to it, but it might prevent someone from recreating the Campaignbox in the future. And, if you noticed, that's what I originally did before tagging it db-t3 and consulting with Moonriddengirl, whom I expect you'll agree, knows more about copyvio than both you and I combined. . Mojoworker (talk) 22:58, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

December 2013

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diosohio.org/our-story.html St. Mary's Episcopal Church - Our Story], St. Mary's Episcopal Church], n.d. Accessed 2013-12-21.</ref> In 1854, the parish began construction of its church building

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FWiW Bzuk (talk) 19:41, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism only account

Can you block User:Hohohoinyourbutthole please? Rosario Berganza 06:12, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

File:Murtaza Javed Abbasi.jpg

Isn't the subject being alive a valid reason for a speedy? —Vensatry _{(Ping me)} 13:17, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

First off, as you may have noticed, the file description page claimed that he was dead; that's the biggest reason I declined your request. Because of your question, I've checked the article and seen that he's still alive, so I'm about to modify the description page. Secondly, it depends on what you mean by "a speedy". We don't immediately delete images on replaceability grounds; we give a couple of days in which the uploader can attempt to justify the image, so we tag the image with {{rfu}}, and it will put the image up for speedy in a couple of days. There's normally no good reason to delete an image immediately just because it's replaceable, although if you think you have good reason, I'm willing to listen — more willing than normal because of the rationale's false claim of the guy's death. Nyttend (talk) 13:22, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Ah, never mind. The uploader restored your speedy tag; this doesn't make this speedy request valid, but it means that criterion G7, "author-requested deletion", can be used immediately. Nyttend (talk) 13:25, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

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Daniel Case (talk) 03:45, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Apache Marmotta

This is a software project, and therefore not one of those things that fits in speedy A7, so please restore it. I know I can do it myself, but I prefer to ask. DGG ( talk ) 06:20, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

As I have seen it used, "web content" means creative works published only on the web, or blogs, etc, not programs written for use on the web, which are products like any other computer program. It's probably in the WT:CSD archives somewhere. The wording of CSD A7 specifically exempts computer programs, and the rationale for excluding programs useable on the web is the same as other computer programs, it usually won't be immediately obvious unless one knows the subject, so no one or two admins should judge. And since most computer program these days are designed around the web (or so it sometimes seems) this would extend A7 to most of them. In contrast, such an overwhelmingly high proportion of web comics and the like are utterly insignificant, that it's fairly safe to judge them. DGG ( talk ) 06:43, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

If I may contribute, Apache Marmotta is similar to Virtuoso Universal Server: it's a server software written in the Java language (sources available here). Unfortunately I cannot see the deleted content anymore, so I cannot check the actual wording used. --Devbug (talk) 08:37, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

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Blocked user

Thank you for blanking my userpage. Since there's nothing wrong with a blank userpage, I have decided to keep it that way for a while... Sincerely, Ante Vranković (talk) 06:26, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

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FWiW Bzuk (talk) 19:42, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Storage pool

Could you explain how CSD G6 applies to this deletion? My understanding was that if the redirect were sufficiently implausible to be speedily deletable (which it isn't, according to some searching), the applicable criterion would be R3.

Would it be appropriate to seek RFD at this point?

The redlink you had in mind would probably be better titled as Storage pool (computer science) or Storage pool (computing).

Sorry for not noticing earlier, and sorry for not having read Effective Java. --SoledadKabocha (talk) 21:29, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Easy answer — it doesn't apply. I came across it while going through CAT:CSD, as someone else had tagged it. I routinely decline this kind of request, precisely because R3 is the applicable criterion and because this kind of request is normally made when a redirect is too old to qualify for R3. This page is no different from the ones I routinely decline, so the only explanation I can give for my action was that I wasn't paying attention. As for the rest of your comments, I'm unable to give you a helpful response, since I know nothing either of nuclear engineering or computer programming. I'll restore it immediately, and thank you for paying attention. Nyttend (talk) 01:04, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Vanmeter Stone House and Outbuildings

On 28 December 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Vanmeter Stone House and Outbuildings, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the Vanmeter Farm once included a pair of Indian mounds and one of Ohio's first tree farms? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Vanmeter Stone House and Outbuildings. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Harrias ^talk 00:03, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Clarification request

The clarification request concerning you has been archived, and the resulting discussion can be read here. For the Arbitration Committee, Rs chen 7754 18:04, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Leavewikifactsalone

Please be aware that according to Wikipedia:CheckUser, CheckUsers have the final say in whether or not the tool should be used. If you disagree, you are welcome to discuss it with them on their talk page, but revert warring a SPI back open against a clerk is clearly not an appropriate action. --Rs chen 7754 21:15, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Also, please take note of Reaper's comment here. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:20, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

ANI closure

You closed Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Category:International_aquatic_competitions_hosted_in_Spain, but didn't indicate if repopulating the categories, which were emptied out-of-process, is okay or not. Armbrust ^{The Homunculus} 05:19, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Corn harvest in late December

Perhaps you know this already. Feed corn (as opposed to corn for human consumption) is left on the stalk as long as possible (a) to dry it out completely and (b) to keep the storage costs low. (At that time of year, there is no other use for the field, but silo space costs.) The perfect timing for the harvest is, I believe, the day before the first snowfall and after about 2 weeks of no rain. I am in southern Ontario where, for the last few years, corn was still standing in the fields into January. This year, however, any left in the field much after November first is still buried in the snow.Bielle (talk) 20:44, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Harry M. Daugherty

Sorry to bother you again regarding the Washington Court House page shenanigans that you've been dragged into. But the ID "leavewikifactsalone", that has recently been blocked, stated on 12/24 at 10:09 that they consulted with you over the removal of Harry M. Daugherty as a WCH notable. That seems exceedingly odd to me since Daugherty has about a 7 foot long Wikipedia page and is clearly notable. That ID is convinced I am the one deleting the FA and Derek Myers (not true) and probably just wanted to irritate me since I added Daugherty back (I assumed he was deleted from notables by mistake). Anyway, I'd be happy to hear why it is not appropriate to list him if that is indeed the case. BTW, I read your information page about history and Old English. Though it is certainly not Old English, if you ever get a chance to read "The Life and Opinions of Tristram Shandy, Gentelman" you'll be glad you did. I made a bit of a study of the book and have dozens of pages of notes and definitions for most of old and obscure terms, dashes, and foreign languages. Thanks for the information. ThomasSchroeder (talk) 23:32, 31 December 2013 (UTC)