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RfA candidate | S | O | N | S % | Status | Ending (UTC) | Time left | Dups? | Report |
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Trillio | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Unsuccessful | 23:14, 22 October 2008 | 0 hours | no | report |
Ynhockey | 98 | 15 | 13 | 87 | Successful | 19:03, 28 October 2008 | 0 hours | no | report |
Magioladitis | 65 | 8 | 7 | 89 | Successful | 19:16, 17 October 2008 | 0 hours | no | report |
RfA candidate | S | O | N | S % | Status | Ending (UTC) | Time left | Dups? | Report |
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Trillio | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Unsuccessful | 23:14, 22 October 2008 | 0 hours | no | report |
Ynhockey | 98 | 15 | 13 | 87 | Successful | 19:03, 28 October 2008 | 0 hours | no | report |
Magioladitis | 65 | 8 | 7 | 89 | Successful | 19:16, 17 October 2008 | 0 hours | no | report |
Requests for adminship (RfA) is the process by which the Wikipedia community decides who will become administrators (also known as admins), who are users with access to additional technical features that aid in maintenance. Users can either submit their own requests for adminship (self-nomination) or may be nominated by other users. Please be familiar with the administrators' reading list, how-to guide, and guide to requests for adminship before submitting your request. Also, consider asking the community about your chances of passing an RfA.
This page also hosts requests for bureaucratship (RfB), where new bureaucrats are selected.
If you are new to participating in a request for adminship, or are not sure how to gauge the candidate, then kindly go through this mini guide for RfA voters before you participate.
There is an experimental process that you may choose to use to become an administrator instead of this process, called administrator elections. It is approved for one trial run, which will take place in October 2024.
About administrators
The additional features granted to administrators are considered to require a high level of trust from the community. While administrative actions are publicly logged and can be reverted by other administrators just as other edits can be, the actions of administrators involve features that can affect the entire site. Among other functions, administrators are responsible for blocking users from editing, controlling page protection, and deleting pages. However, they are not the final arbiters in content disputes and do not have special powers to decide on content matters, except to enforce the community consensus and the Arbitration Commitee rulings by protecting or deleting pages and applying sanctions to users.
About RfA
Candidate | Type | Result | Date of close | Tally | |||
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S | O | N | % | ||||
Asilvering | RfA | Successful | 6 Sep 2024 | 245 | 1 | 0 | >99 |
HouseBlaster | RfA | Successful | 23 Jun 2024 | 153 | 27 | 8 | 85 |
Pickersgill-Cunliffe | RfA | Successful | 15 Jun 2024 | 201 | 0 | 0 | 100 |
Elli | RfA | Successful | 7 Jun 2024 | 207 | 6 | 3 | 97 |
The community grants administrator access to trusted users, so nominees should have been on Wikipedia long enough for people to determine whether they are trustworthy. Administrators are held to high standards of conduct because other editors often turn to them for help and advice, and because they have access to tools that can have a negative impact on users or content if carelessly applied.
Nomination standards
The only formal prerequisite for adminship is having an extended confirmed account on Wikipedia (500 edits and 30 days of experience).[1] However, the community usually looks for candidates with much more experience and those without are generally unlikely to succeed at gaining adminship. The community looks for a variety of factors in candidates and discussion can be intense. To get an insight of what the community is looking for, you could review some successful and some unsuccessful RfAs, or start an RfA candidate poll.
If you are unsure about nominating yourself or another user for adminship, you may first wish to consult a few editors you respect to get an idea of what the community might think of your request. There is also a list of editors willing to consider nominating you. Editors interested in becoming administrators might explore adoption by a more experienced user to gain experience. They may also add themselves to Category:Wikipedia administrator hopefuls; a list of names and some additional information are automatically maintained at Wikipedia:List of administrator hopefuls. The RfA guide and the miniguide might be helpful, while Advice for RfA candidates will let you evaluate whether or not you are ready to be an admin.
Nominations
To nominate either yourself or another user for adminship, follow these instructions. If you wish to nominate someone else, check with them before making the nomination page. Nominations may only be added by the candidate or after the candidate has signed the acceptance of the nomination.
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All Wikipedians—including those without an account or not logged in ("anons")—are welcome to comment and ask questions in an RfA. Numerated (#) "votes" in the Support, Oppose, and Neutral sections may only be placed by editors with an extended confirmed account[2] and only after the RfA has been open for 48 hours.[3] Other comments are welcomed in the general comments section at the bottom of the page, and comments by editors who are not extended confirmed may be moved to this section if mistakenly placed elsewhere.
If you are relatively new to contributing to Wikipedia, or if you have not yet participated on many RfAs, please consider first reading "Advice for RfA voters".
There is a limit of two questions per editor, with relevant follow-ups permitted. The two-question limit cannot be circumvented by asking questions that require multiple answers (e.g. asking the candidate what they would do in each of five scenarios). The candidate may respond to the comments of others. Certain comments may be discounted if there are suspicions of fraud; these may be the contributions of very new editors, sockpuppets, or meatpuppets. Please explain your opinion by including a short explanation of your reasoning. Your input (positive or negative) will carry more weight if supported by evidence.
To add a comment, click the "Voice your opinion" link for the candidate. Always be respectful towards others in your comments. Constructive criticism will help the candidate make proper adjustments and possibly fare better in a future RfA attempt. Note that bureaucrats have been authorized by the community to clerk at RfA, so they may appropriately deal with comments and !votes which they deem to be inappropriate. You may wish to review arguments to avoid in adminship discussions. Irrelevant questions may be removed or ignored, so please stay on topic.
The RfA process attracts many Wikipedians and some may routinely oppose many or most requests; other editors routinely support many or most requests. Although the community currently endorses the right of every Wikipedian with an account to participate, one-sided approaches to RfA voting have been labeled as "trolling" by some. Before commenting or responding to comments (especially to Oppose comments with uncommon rationales or which feel like baiting) consider whether others are likely to treat it as influential, and whether RfA is an appropriate forum for your point. Try hard not to fan the fire. Remember, the bureaucrats who close discussions have considerable experience and give more weight to constructive comments than unproductive ones.
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Most nominations will remain active for a minimum of seven days from the time the nomination is posted on this page, during which users give their opinions, ask questions, and make comments. This discussion process is not a vote (it is sometimes referred to as a !vote, using the computer science negation symbol). At the end of the discussion period, a bureaucrat will review the discussion to see whether there is a consensus for promotion. Consensus at RfA is not determined by surpassing a numerical threshold, but by the strength of rationales presented. In practice, most RfAs above 75% support pass.
In December 2015 the community determined that in general, RfAs that finish between 65 and 75% support are subject to the discretion of bureaucrats (so, therefore, almost all RfAs below 65% will fail). However, a request for adminship is first and foremost a consensus-building process.[4] In calculating an RfA's percentage, only numbered Support and Oppose comments are considered. Neutral comments are ignored for calculating an RfA's percentage, but they (and other relevant information) are considered for determining consensus by the closing bureaucrat.
In nominations where consensus is unclear, detailed explanations behind Support or Oppose comments will have more impact than positions with no explanations or simple comments such as "yep" and "no way".[5] A nomination may be closed as successful only by bureaucrats. In exceptional circumstances, bureaucrats may extend RfAs beyond seven days or restart the nomination to make consensus clearer. They may also close nominations early if success is unlikely and leaving the application open has no likely benefit, and the candidate may withdraw their application at any time for any reason.
If uncontroversial, any user in good standing can close a request that has no chance of passing in accordance with WP:SNOW or WP:NOTNOW. Do not close any requests that you have taken part in, or those that have even a slim chance of passing, unless you are the candidate and you are withdrawing your application. In the case of vandalism, improper formatting, or a declined or withdrawn nomination, non-bureaucrats may also delist a nomination. A list of procedures to close an RfA may be found at WP:Bureaucrats. If your nomination fails, then please wait for a reasonable period of time before renominating yourself or accepting another nomination. Some candidates have tried again and succeeded within three months, but many editors prefer to wait considerably longer before reapplying.
Monitors
In the 2024 RfA review, the community authorized designated administrators and bureaucrats to act as monitors to moderate discussion at RfA. The monitors can either self-select when an RfA starts, or can be chosen ahead of time by the candidate privately. Monitors may not be involved with the candidate, may not nominate the candidate, may not !vote in the RfA, and may not close the RfA, although if the monitor is a bureaucrat they may participate in the RfA's bureaucrat discussion. In addition to normal moderation tools, monitors may remove !votes from the tally or from the discussion entirely at their discretion when the !vote contains significant policy violations that must be struck or otherwise redacted and provides no rational basis for its position – or when the comment itself is a blockable offense. The text of the !vote can still be struck and/or redacted as normal. Monitors are encouraged to review the RfA regularly. Admins and bureaucrats who are not monitors may still enforce user conduct policies and guidelines at RfA as normal.[6]
Current nominations for adminship
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- The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a request for adminship that did not succeed. Please do not modify it.
Final (0/2/0); Scheduled to end 22:46, 29 October 2008 (UTC) closed per WP:NOTNOW Enigma message 23:14, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Trillio (talk · contribs) - I believe I would be an asset to Wikipedia as an administrator. Trillio (talk) 22:46, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:
Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. It is recommended that you answer these optional questions to provide guidance for participants:
General comments
- See Trillio's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.
- Links for Trillio: Trillio (talk · contribs · deleted · count · AfD · logs · block log · lu · rfar · spi)
Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/Trillio before commenting.
Discussion
Support
Oppose
- Oppose. On your user talk page two experienced editors told you that your application was far too soon. Why persist? However gently worded the oppose messages may be, they will still be depressing for you. Something you could have avoided by waiting. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 22:58, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per WP:NOTNOW. Candidate has good desire, but most of the edits are to his userpage, and there's not a lot of experience. Wizardman 23:02, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
- The above adminship discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the talk page of either this nomination or the nominated user). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a successful request for adminship. Please do not modify it.
Final (98/15/13); Closed as successful by WJBscribe at 19:03, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ynhockey (talk · contribs) - I have known Ynhockey pretty much since I started editing Wikipedia almost a year ago. I am still very impressed with his contributions and his deference to Wikipedia policy. I believe he would make an excellent administrator. Nudve (talk) 17:54, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Co-nom: I've known Ynhockey for quite a while from our experience in editing articles related to the Bleach manga series, and I've developed a respect for his level head and civil nature. His content contributions, in anime and manga related articles and Israel-related articles, have been impressive, and in the latter, I've had an opportunity to witness his level head when he asked me to moderate a contentious merge discussion on Talk:Celebrations of the September 11, 2001 attacks. Although he does not have a great deal of participation in traditional administrator areas, I believe that after 25,000 edits, he has a clear knowledge of policy, and will show due diligence if he has the tools. A net plus. Cheers, — sephiroth bcr (converse) 20:41, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:
- I accept the nomination. Thank you. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 18:21, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. It is recommended that you answer these optional questions to provide guidance for participants:
- 1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?
- A: I will mainly be active in WP:RM (requested moves), WP:RFPP (requests for page protection) and WP:AIV (administrative intervention against vandalism). WP:ANI is also an area I'm interested in contributing to, but it's one of the more difficult areas for administrators, so I will probably not be active there until I have thoroughly learned the use of admin tools and WP:ANI precedents. I have also been asked by Nudve to coordinate WikiProject Israel (although a coordinator has not been chosen yet), and will perform the necessary administrative tasks in the project.
- Follow-up (2008-10-22, !vote count 10/3/4): It appears that some of the neutral/oppose votes are based on the seemingly little experience I have in WP:RM, WP:RFPP and WP:AIV (the areas I pleged to work in initially), so I feel that this deserves clarification to avoid misunderstanding. This is not an argument against current oppose !votes, and I fully respect and appreciate the opinions of all users who commented so far.
- Basically, I feel that after being on Wikipedia so long, there isn't a process I'm not familiar with, despite not directly participating in them—especially basic processes like WP:RM. I believe that understanding of a process is mostly based on understanding of policies and guidelines, i.e. WP:NC (and sub-articles) for WP:RM, WP:PPOL for WP:PPFP, etc. I have been around WP:NC since my first (bad) page move in December 2004, and have myself helped draft a naming conventions guideline. In regards to page moves specifically, I have made 352 page moves to date, which does not include non-controversial 'complex' moves and WP:RM requests. Therefore, I believe that the ability to handle WP:RM for me is mainly based on mastery of the actual admin tools, which I will learn and read about if received. As for page protections, I have been around Israeli–Palestinian conflict articles, which are often semi- and fully-protected, and have gained knowledge of when a page should be protected and when it shouldn't. For vandalism (AIV), the same thing applies, only regarding Bleach-related articles, which are vandalized all the time (mostly by anons). On my previous RfA, a user commented that I did not warn vandals, and ever since (It's been 2 years), I have left a message to almost every single user I reverted based on vandalism, nonsense, content removal, etc.
- 2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?
- A: I have mainly worked in two areas on Wikipedia: Bleach-related articles, and Israel-related articles. A while ago I completely disengaged from the former and focused on the latter, although an article I contributed to a lot has been promoted to GA there (and a few to FL, although I'm not so proud of those). In the Israel-related scene, I am particularly happy with Arad, Israel, Military Police Corps (Israel), List of Israeli cities and Battles of the Kinarot Valley, and my contributions to Commons. Anyone who is interested in welcome to browse my non-image contributions.
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A: I have been involved in a number of disputes related to the Israeli–Palestinian conflict. My rule of thumb is to never take a dispute to the mainspace and instead talk it out (even if it takes a very long time) until a clear consensus is reached. An early example of this is Talk:Machsom Watch, but there are many more recent ones, in the articles Battle of Jenin, Template:Villages depopulated during the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, etc. I have been accused by several editors of being too pro-Israeli and other things, but this has not prevented me from strictly adhering to policy. I have made WP:ANI complaints against 2 users IIRC, who I believed were engaging in overtly disruptive behavior (User:Eleland and User:Deanb), but again, this never involved an edit conflict in the mainspace.
- Additional questions from Blooded Edge (T•C•A):
- 4. As an administrator, you will most probably come across rash users/IPs, who will not take kindly to reversions by yourself, for whatever the reason. Indeed, you may already have been in such situations before. I want to know what exactly your personal stance is on the cool down block. Wikipedia generally discourages admins from taking this course of action, due to the belief it only inflames the situation. However, there is still the small chance that the subject will indeed take the oppurtunity to review his/her actions, and may change his/her way of acting to something more appropriate. Assuming that Wikipedia had no clear policy on this, would you use such a block? Or wait until the IP/User simply becomes too irksome to ignore?
- A: I don't believe the cool-down block is ever a good idea. Either the user is disrupting Wikipedia after numerous warnings which would warrant a block per WP:BLOCK (I will first complain on WP:ANI or WP:AIV if I'm involved, or block the user following such a complaint), or the user is not disruptive enough to warrant a block, so there should be no block. Borderline cases usually involve editing disputes between two editors, where there is a thorough review and discussion on WP:ANI and other processes. In these cases, I will leave the decision to other admins until I have more familiarity with the tools, as I said in another answer.
- 5. This isn't really to do with your work on Wikipedia, but is important if you indeed gain the requested status. Is your password alphanumeric? Formed by at least 8 characters? Not by words in the dictionary? Not in the weakest password list? A hiijacked admin account can do widespread damage across the site, it is important to confirm the security of your account. Please note that isn't some carefuly orchestrated plot to get at your account.
- A: I believe my password is difficult enough so that no one will ever guess, and simple enough so that I can remember it. It does not consist of any single word or part of a known word, and involves two kinds of characters. I believe that the fact that my account was not hijacked in almost 4 years of having it is testament to the password's strength, although if the RfA passes and I get into situations where my userpage is excessively vandalized, I'll change my password more often just in case.
- Additional questions from tennisman
- 6. You have shown a interest in working at request for page protection, as such I was hoping that you could provide a example in which you would fully protect a page, and for how long. Also, when do you feel that blocking is a better option than protection?
- A: Some of my experience with page protections comes from working in Israeli–Palestinian conflict-related articles, where pages have been often protected or semi-protected. For a page to be fully protected, there first needs to be an official request, either at WP:RFPP or after a discussion on WP:ANI, the ArbCom, etc. I believe that a mainspace page needs to be fully protected if it has been unstable for a sufficient period of time, either as a result of clear-cut vandalism, or constant edit-warring. In both cases I'd message the users first and request an explanation of their behavior, and would protect the page if the disruptions are not stopped. Note that the above applies to pages which are disrupted by a sufficient amount of users. When only one user/IP editor vandalizes a page, other measures can be taken, so that good editors don't suffer. Lastly, high-risk templates should be protected, but I won't get involved with that in my early adminship period, if elected.
- 7. You have also expressed an interest in working at administrator intervention against vandalism. I have two questions: What is the difference, in your opinion, between a block and a ban? Is there ever a time when it is appropriate to use a "cooldown" block? Also, please explain your stance on when different lengths of block should be used.
- A: For cool-down blocks, please see A4. As for the difference between a block and a ban—a block is a technical tool to prevent someone from editing, while a ban is a sanction against a user. A ban does not have to involve a block (although it often does, after a ban is violated), and can be topical or article-specific, unlike a block.
- As for different block lengths, I think it largely depends on the severity of the situation and the user's history. A user who has been blocked numerous times recently is not the same as a user who has a clean log and was never known to edit-war or violate policy. As for the 'severity of the situation', I believe there's no blanket/clear-cut answer to this, and each case needs to be examined thoroughly before a block is applied. I place a large importance on a user's answers to talk page concerns, and would say that someone who ignored/deleted talk page comments about their improper conduct would be more liable to a lengthier block, if that makes sense.
- Optional questions from Aitias
- 8. Is there any circumstance in which you would delete a page despite a Hangon tag?
- A. I believe that it's usually fairly easy to see whether a mainspace article warrants speedy deletion, and have nominated dozens of articles and images for speedy deletion myself. Most criteria are very clear-cut and when this is the case, I would delete the article despite a hangon tag. For example, if the article's whole content is "John Doe is a high school student in South Harmon High School", or "rher sed455d", I would delete the article. In borderline cases where I still believe the article should be deleted, I'll message the user who placed the tag to ask why he did so.
- 9. What would your personal standards be on granting and removing rollback?
- A. Hopefully I will not have to involve myself in this task anytime soon, but if I will, the decision will be based on a thorough examination of the user's activities on Wikipedia. I'd expect reasonable experience on Wiki, and would be more prone to give the tool to someone massively involved with fighting vandalism (although a clearly trustworthy user who only sometimes fights vandals would generally be fine). I wouldn't remove rollback rights unless the rollbacker is clearly disrupting the project despite warnings, and in harder-to-decide cases I'll wait for more input from other admins.
- 10. Under what circumstances may a non-free photograph of a living person be used on Wikipedia?
- A. This really needs to be examined on a case-by-case basis, and in fact I have learned a lot in this field because my last RfA failed mainly because of my insufficient knowledge of copyright laws. Almost all such images should not be used, and I can think of two main cases where it would almost always be fine:
- If the person is alive but inaccessible to the public, e.g. kidnapped and held in captivity, and there are no known free photographs
- If the person is well-known for a previous look (especially with very old people or plastic operations) and there's no known free photograph of the previous look
- Despite there above, there are still exceptions and each case needs to be examined thoroughly.
- A. This really needs to be examined on a case-by-case basis, and in fact I have learned a lot in this field because my last RfA failed mainly because of my insufficient knowledge of copyright laws. Almost all such images should not be used, and I can think of two main cases where it would almost always be fine:
- 11. An IP vandalises a page. You revert the vandalism and give the IP a final warning on its talk page. After that the IP vandalises your userpage. Summarising, the IP was sufficiently warned and vandalised (your userpage) after a final warning. Would you block the IP yourself or rather report it to WP:AIV? Respectively, would you consider blocking the IP yourself a conflict of interests?
- A. I don't see vandalizing my user page after a final warning as a conflict of interest when the case is as clear-cut as the question presents, so I'd probably block the vandal (although a case even a tiny bit more controversial would go to AIV, because I'm generally opposed to non-AIV unilateral blocks). Even so, I wouldn't block a user vandalizing pages I'm heavily involved in, because that, IMO, would indeed be a conflict of interest no matter how obvious the vandalism is. Because complaints to AIV usually get treatment very quickly, I don't see this as a problem.
- Question from Stifle
- 12. Under what circumstances may a non-free image of a living person be used on Wikipedia?
- A. Please see A10.
- Oopsie :) Stifle (talk) 08:11, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- A. Please see A10.
- Questions from Ncmvocalist
- 13. Scenario. You come across an article where 2 editors, A and B, are in a dispute. A's claim: B is inserting content without citing sources, and keeps removing the content that A inserts. B's claim: A is inserting content that does not adhere to a neutral point of view, and cites unreliable sources while removing the content that B inserts. Which position prevails?
- A: From my experience with such cases in Israel–Palestine articles, cases like this are really better left to an official process, rather than a single deciding admin, who might not be able to properly assess the situation—either the admin is involved in the topic, which makes him knowledgeable but possibly biased/COI, or the admin is not involved in the area, which generally makes him not knowledgeable enough to immediately tell which sources are considered reliable, what consensus was previously reached (in controversial areas, content disputes usually repeat themselves over time), etc. If indeed I accidentally stumbled upon the article (as is implied in the question), I'd first leave a message (both on talk and user talk) asking the editors to keep their dispute off the article (mainspace), and use the talk page. If this isn't followed, an appropriate process can be started. This ranges from an informal WP:RFC or more formal WP:RFM, but depending on the situation, could be more WP:ANI- or WP:RFPP-appropriate. The choice would be based on a number of factors which are too many and too complex to list here. I wouldn't take any unilateral administrative steps in a content dispute, which is almost never clear-cut. I'll be happy to answer follow-up questions given a more specific scenario.
- Follow-up question: If I were to ask the same question, with the additional fact that both users claims are legitimate/accurate, which position would prevail according to Wikipedia policies and norms? In effect, this follow up question is designed to assess your understanding of these in practice rather than how you would approach a content dispute in general.
- Follow-up answer: With the previous answer I did assume that both claims were legitimate, but I think I understand what you want answered, and will try to do my best. Firstly, let me reiterate that I believe that admins should not take sides in content disputes and take special care with their actions there. In addition, it is always wrong to take a content dispute into the mainspace, therefore even if both editors are right, they are also both wrong for disrupting Wikipedia for the sake of their own arguments. In practice, I have witnessed that WP:V gets a preference over WP:NPOV in most articles (either that or the 'original' version before the dispute), so the one who cites more/better sources will usually get their version kept (often a temporary POV tag would be in order). However, sources on Wikipedia are not copied verbatim (obviously), so there's always room to convert POV to NPOV using the same sources, and therefore while the verifiable version could be kept, I would advise the NPOV editor to reword the POV version using the same sources for reference. I would also advise the WP:V editor about WP:NPOV, perhaps with some advice about how to tone down the language, create balance, etc.
- I'd simultaneously ask for more opinions from admins and editors alike, because as I said before, an uninvolved user/admin cannot always properly assess the reliability of certain sources, or whether certain wording is NPOV (some words/phrases may be offensive to one side, without most people knowing about it—believe me, I've had a lot of such cases in Israel–Palestine articles). Again though, my core rule is that content disputes should be kept to the discussion namespaces and therefore any dispute similar to the one in the question would require more action against both parties than just favoring one version over another.
- A: From my experience with such cases in Israel–Palestine articles, cases like this are really better left to an official process, rather than a single deciding admin, who might not be able to properly assess the situation—either the admin is involved in the topic, which makes him knowledgeable but possibly biased/COI, or the admin is not involved in the area, which generally makes him not knowledgeable enough to immediately tell which sources are considered reliable, what consensus was previously reached (in controversial areas, content disputes usually repeat themselves over time), etc. If indeed I accidentally stumbled upon the article (as is implied in the question), I'd first leave a message (both on talk and user talk) asking the editors to keep their dispute off the article (mainspace), and use the talk page. If this isn't followed, an appropriate process can be started. This ranges from an informal WP:RFC or more formal WP:RFM, but depending on the situation, could be more WP:ANI- or WP:RFPP-appropriate. The choice would be based on a number of factors which are too many and too complex to list here. I wouldn't take any unilateral administrative steps in a content dispute, which is almost never clear-cut. I'll be happy to answer follow-up questions given a more specific scenario.
- 14. If you find that edit-warring is occurring on an article you are uninvolved in, what would you do as an admin? NB: this is a deliberately broad question, so try to cover a few different scenarios in terms of type of article, number of editors involved, and how your use of tools would differ (if at all) in each scenario.
- A: Firstly, the basic rule is to take great care with unilateral steps, and seek more/broader comments from other admins. An exception can be made when one user/party is a clear vandal. If that isn't the case, I'll ask both/all users to stop edit-warring (on both talk and user talk), and also examine the nature of the edit war. In case my advice isn't followed, I'll take it to one of many processes.
- In clear violations of WP:3RR, I'll likely make an exception and unilaterally block the editors for the time I deem appropriate (usually 24 hours, unless there is a history of previous blocks).
- In borderline violations of WP:3RR (especially involving tag team reverts), I'll take it to the 3RR noticeboard. Requests there are usually handled quickly and properly, so it wouldn't really hurt the article to wait and go through this process.
- When no violation occurred, and only a small amount of users are involved in the edit war (usually 2-3), I'll go to WP:ANI, which is the best place to get general admin comments. After opinions have been voiced on ANI (especially by other admins), I may or may not make the administrative action which gained consensus myself (mostly depends on timing and how clear the consensus is).
- When no violation occurred, but there are a lot of involved editors, making content edits and reverts left and right in order to 'bury' the opposition, I'll first and foremost ask for (usually temporary) page protection in WP:RFPP (again, simple and quick process, shouldn't hurt the article to wait and go through it), and after that probably file an RfC/RfM depending on the severity of the situation, until all parties cool down. Of course, if it's an area where I have no conflict of interest (as the question states), I'll make extensive comments myself on what I believe should be done, and would expect other reviewing the case to take them into account when making their own comments and ovservations.
- A: Firstly, the basic rule is to take great care with unilateral steps, and seek more/broader comments from other admins. An exception can be made when one user/party is a clear vandal. If that isn't the case, I'll ask both/all users to stop edit-warring (on both talk and user talk), and also examine the nature of the edit war. In case my advice isn't followed, I'll take it to one of many processes.
- Questions from Sarvagnya
- 15. Do you think any of Wikipedia's standing policies and guidelines need changing? If yes, which ones and in what ways? If none, why not?
- A: That's a tough question, because Wikipedia has innumerable policies and guidelines, many of which may need tweaking (for instance, I proposed a change to WP:CLN and got no reply so far; will open policy RfC when I have time). The only guideline I ever had a major issue with was WP:FICT, and it appears that this was a major dispute, because there was an all-Wiki discussion about WP:N and its sub-pages, and WP:FICT was demoted to 'essay' status. I believe most guidelines on Wikipedia are fine on the whole (again, some could use minor tweaking), because they are a result of long discussions involving users adhering to all parts of the broad spectrum of WikiPhilosophies. For technical reasons, guidelines (and even some policies) may evolve over time (notably, the recent decision to remove date linking), but the core policies like WP:NPOV, WP:V, etc. are just fine the way they are and worded in a more-or-less timeless fashion.
- 16. Do you have something in mind you wish was a policy or a guideline?
- A: I guess if WP:FICT was re-written to a version I support, I'd wish it would become a guideline, because Wikipedia has thousands of articles about fiction, and there should be a basic notability guideline. However, it's not a high priority for me at the moment, as I don't engage much in writing about fiction anymore. Can't think of anything else I'd wish to promote to guideline/policy status, after successfully promoting WP:HE to guideline.
- 17. Is there any "guideline" you wish was "policy" or vice-versa? If any, why do you think it is not already a "policy"/"guideline"? If none, why not?
- A: I think that was mostly answered in A16.
- 18. If you were to be given a free hand, what, if any, radical changes would you effect to the way Wikipedia functions?
- A: I believe that the more power a Wikipedian has, the less they should be involved in controversies (other than required tasks, e.g. administrative tasks for admins, RfAs for 'crats, and ArbCom cases for ArbCom), and this especially applies to radical changes in the way Wikipedia functions. While Wikipedia is not a democracy, WP:CON is one of the basic building blocks of how Wikipedia currently works, and this requires that radical changes are discussed first. On the other hand, I may make proposals for such changes if need be, but that doesn't require a 'free hand'—rather, even regular users can, and have, proposed major changes on the project.
Look forward to your answers. Thanks. Sarvagnya 21:10, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Question from AlexiusHoratius
- 19. What are your current views on the ability of unregistered users (IPs) to edit Wikipedia?
- A: Unregistered editing is a double-edged sword—from my experience, 'anons' make some of the best minor corrections (probably from personal knowledge), maybe because they're not generally too preoccupied with reading policies and adhering to WP:V so they can just look at a passage and see what's wrong with it. On the other hand, this is precisely also what makes many of them the most dangerous subtle vandals, because of minor edits which turn out to be incorrect (precisely because they didn't read policy and WP:V) that often go unnoticed for ages (a great example is population figures for Israeli localities, for which we use one general source (ICBS), but some anons use primary source figures to inflate the population by sometimes over 10%). I therefore believe that IP editing should be allowed, but restricted, much like it is now (no article creation, page moves, etc.) There are certain small changes which I'd like to make, but haven't fully considered the consequences (it has never been a top priority for me) and therefore haven't suggested anything specific. In any case, I support leaving messages to IP editors, especially those who make worthwhile contributions, and encouraging them to register/log in. I do recognize that 'anons' are responsible for by far the most blatant vandalism, but as Jimbo Wales once said, we can just laugh at that and move on, they can't damage Wikipedia permanently, really.
- Additional question from VG
- 20. If a negative aspect of someone's life is published by mainstream media like Haaretz or The Jerusalem Post, and Wikipedia has a biography of that person, should that information be included or excluded from the Wikipedia article? In a nutshell, what is more important WP:BLP or WP:V? If the question is too vague, feel free to discuss some example(s) of your choosing. VG ☎ 16:40, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- A: This depends on the nature of the BLP violation, the importance of the fact, and the type of article in the media. In borderline cases, there should be discussion and the case should be solved by consensus after the statement is removed (so as not to risk a temporary BLP violation). I'll explain each of the above point by point:
- Certain statements could be considered negative aspects by some, or simply neutral/factual by others (i.e. not WP:REDFLAG, e.g. in an article about PersonX: "PersonX criticized PersonY for his involvement in the XYZ affair"). Given a mainstream media source which generally satisfies WP:RS (including Haaretz and Jpost), I'd consider it appropriate enough, although if the claim is disputed, I'd consider it a borderline case where discussion is needed, and not immediate removal of the content. Same goes for clearly positive/neutral statements, which can also be BLP violations if OR. For clearly negative statements (e.g. "PersonX died", or "PersonX was charged with killing PersonY"), I'd look at the other 2 points.
- Certain negative facts (e.g. death or lifetime milestones) are essential to a biographical article, and therefore would need to be included if true. In these cases, mainstream media is usually the first reporter of these facts, and there's no reason to suspect their truthfulness, unless the article does not aim to be factual news (see point 3 below). On the other hand, many facts are not very important and either border or WP:UNDUE, or clear violations thereof, e.g. "PersonX was caught shoplifting at the age of 10". In such a case, I'd remove the information from the article, but if I believe the case is not 100% clear-cut, I'd immediately initiate a discussion on the talk page, and make sure to warn the users that the discussion is about WP:UNDUE and WP:RS, not the factoid itself, because presenting it as clear fact on the talk page would also violate BLP.
- In many mainstream media sources, especially Haaretz and Jpost, there is a staff of highly-regarded editorial writers, and often the editorial is presented in the same way as news, especially on the media outlet's website. Generally-agreed WP:RS mainstream media sources (including Haaretz and Jpost) usually check their sources, so there's no reason to doubt their accuracy when reporting news about a serious event in a notable person's life (especially a person's death), and if the event is recent, there won't be any non-news sources, so it doesn't get any more reliable than mainstream media. Great care needs to be taken not to source an editorial for this, and this can actually happen often as a result of web search (as opposed to directly browsing the website).
- I realize that the question (in a nutshell) was whether WP:BLP was more important than WP:V, and the answer, in a nutshell, is that these two policies go together—a WP:V violation in a living person's biography is a WP:BLP violation, and usually vice-versa (other than WP:UNDUE BLP violations).
- A: This depends on the nature of the BLP violation, the importance of the fact, and the type of article in the media. In borderline cases, there should be discussion and the case should be solved by consensus after the statement is removed (so as not to risk a temporary BLP violation). I'll explain each of the above point by point:
General comments
- See Ynhockey's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.
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Discussion
Support
- Support User has been around since Nov 2004 and had the first RFA in 2006 and has waited for 2 years to try again after overcoming the points raised in previous RFA.User has more than 19000 mainspace edits and over 25000 overall.See no misuse of tools.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 18:45, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support User is highly experienced, trustworthy, neutral, knowledgeable and committed to Wikipedia. I have known him on Wikipedia for at least some 2 years and during those years, he has always displayed excellent professional behavior. Despite him holding a 'job' as Israeli prison commander for Arab prisoners (don't know whether he still does that), he has never displayed any bias in anything related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, a very remarkable and positive fact. He recently did a huge amount of excellent work on the Arad, Israel article, which IMO should be a featured article. I see no reason at all not to support Ynhockey for adminship, so hereby, I give my full support. --Piz d'Es-Cha (talk) 18:56, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support as nominator. -- Nudve (talk) 19:04, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - Ynhockey is a talented editor who is dedicated, thoughtful, and experienced so would make an excellent admin. DVD (talk) 20:36, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support as co-nominator. — sephiroth bcr (converse) 20:41, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Pending a deeper review. I'm at least partly voting support this early in order to counteract some of the neutrals/opposes below. In my opinion, the purpose of an RfA is to determine if the candidate is trustworthy and reasonable enough to be granted admin tools. A wide range of evidence can be considered in this determination - simple participation in XfD, AIV etc. is not the only method. These forums also aren't rocket science - it doesnt' take a huge amount of participation to get the idea of how things should work and what the problems might be. To put it more plainly:no one is still an "unknown" after 25,000 edits and 4 years. Avruch T 21:04, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- PEr WP:WTHN, but only because I don't see anything in my brief review of your edits worth actionably oppossing... lolz. —Ceran(Sing) 21:31, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't see a need per se, but I do see a trustworthy well intentioned editor. Garden. 21:34, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak support I'm concerned by the user's lack of experience in the areas described in question 1, but he's not totally inexperienced. The answers to the questions seem fair and well-judged. Should be fine, but I urge caution, and perhaps admin mentoring if the result is successful. It may help to bridge the gap experience-wise. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 22:52, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - trustworthy editor. Agree with the nomination regarding Ynhockey's contribution to Israel-Palestine articles. Also concur with Avruch - in all honesty, I don't envisage Ynhockey is going to struggle helping to clear backlogs at requested moves. PhilKnight (talk) 23:23, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Experience in one area presupposes experience in other areas. RyanGerbil10(Unretiring slowly...!) 00:03, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support almost 80% of your edits are to article space. RMHED (talk) 00:33, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per net positive. Even if this admin makes mistakes, I believe they will be very few because of the massive amounts of time he has spent he and the policies he will have undoubtedly pick up. NuclearWarfare contact meMy work 00:53, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per especially Pharaoh of the Wizards but also after a look through his contribs , especially considering the fact that Israel is such a hot topic (bias-wise). As to the concerns that this user doesn't have enough experience in the areas he mentioned - I see no problem. They will not be the exclusive area of work, and after 4 years I'm sure he knows enough. Bsimmons666 (talk) 01:12, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support due to a combination of no memorable negative interactions with the candidate, the candidate's creation of over 150 articles, the candidate's contributing to featured lists, and as the candidate has never been blocked. --A NobodyMy talk 02:07, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support So let me get this straight: we have here a candidate with 25K+ edits and 4 years of involvement in the project, good article builder, no serious incidents, no blocks, edit-warring or civility problems despite working in the oh-so-friendly area of Israel-related articles. And people are criticizing his experience? How many times to we have to debunk the "no need for tools" argument? Adminship is not rocket science. The guy can read. Pascal.Tesson (talk) 02:44, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support- Pascal.Tesson's just said what I was thinking, and better than I could have said it. Reyk YO! 03:03, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Ynhockey is familiar with Wikipedia processes, and I am sure he can pick up new responsibilities as needed without causing much disruption. His interactions with other editors seem reasonable. Wronkiew (talk) 05:44, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Really, how long has it been since the "doesn't need the tools" argument was first demurred? Anyone can learn to be an admin; trust is more important. Ling.Nut (talk—WP:3IAR) 05:54, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Great contributions to Wikipedia, especially in an area that is highly controversial. Голубое сало/Blue Salo (talk) 06:04, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Admin tools are easy. There's no real way to gain experience with them before RFA anyway. Your article work is good and stuff so yeah. Tombomp (talk/contribs) 07:56, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Hell yes - one of the best and few unbiased Israel-related contributors around. Will be a great asset as an admin. пﮟოьεԻ 57 08:11, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support He is an excellent editor and very experienced, fair, and neutral. Always provides insightful additions to wikipedia and would make an above par editor. I agree with all of these comments under support. --Eternalsleeper (talk) 08:34, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Fantastic editor. Give him the mop. Kyaa the Catlord (talk) 09:04, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Sound, experienced editor. Good luck. Nick mallory (talk) 09:56, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Although I'm concerned with his lack of experience in the areas he wishes to work in, his great levels of experience in content building and general trustworthiness overcome this and I gladly support. --Banime (talk) 11:01, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Civil and mature, 4 years experience and 25000 edits? Most definitely. As stated by others, the most important thing to look for at RfA is the proper temperament; everything else is easy to learn. GlassCobra 11:35, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Cautious supportper reasons I gave in neutral section below---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 11:46, 22 October 2008 (UTC) EDIT: I should note, that one of the things that I did while vetting this candidate was looked through the history on his talk page. The talk page is relatively clean of anybody complaining about him, but he has a note saying that he retains the right to delete personal attacks. So I looked for cases where he might have done so and was surprised at how rarely that occurred considering his area of interest---and when he did so, I agreed that his deletion was justified. I will reiterate what I said below though, I strongly encourage people to keep conversations on one page. It is a major pain in the butt trying to trace discussions through various user talk pages and their archives.---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 14:17, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]- I've been waiting for the anti-Israeli crowd to show up to demonstrate how Ynhockey is a biased POV pusher and shouldn't be trusted with the tools. So far, they haven't. Well, there is one, but the incident that person uses is so benign that if it was evidence of POV pushing then nobody would edit anything.---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 18:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, no reason to believe this user would abuse the tools. Lankiveil (speak to me) 12:06, 22 October 2008 (UTC).[reply]
- Support - I think you know what you're doing and have amply demonstrated that you're sensible and level-headed. While yes, you are short on some direct experience in admin areas, you do not come across as the kind of person that's likely to botch his way through things he does not understand. Your followup to question 1 is very convincing. ~ mazca t|c 12:17, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support - Brilliant editor. I've seen his edits pop up all over the place. A net-benefit user of the highest regard. --Flewis(talk) 12:19, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Although I do understand the concerns of editors cautious of supporting someone who wishes to work in administrative areas in which they have little or no experience, I believe the possibility of misuse of tools by this candidate is still very low. Other than that, the candidate seems to be a solid content builder who has earned the trust of those he works with; that's something that always makes it difficult for me to oppose. Good luck! SWik78 (talk • contribs) 12:40, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. 25,000+ edits. Consistently editing since September 2005. Never blocked. Can there be any doubt that ynhockey has a commitment to making this a great encyclopedia? --Regents Park (sink with my stocks) 13:15, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Support. — Realist2 14:07, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Needless to say, the facts mentioned below can't be ignored. However, the important question is whether Ynhockey is likely to abuse the tools. Given the answers to my questions I think this can be negated. The answers provide evidence that Ynhockey uses common sense and this is indeed very important. Overall I think there is no reason not to trust the candidate. —αἰτίας •discussion• 14:18, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Being highly involved in a Wikiproject is not a valid reason to oppose. Contrarily, user should have a good understanding of the tools. User has made a significant number of edits, more than sufficient to gain understanding of policy and guidelines, and no one has provided any specific example of a lack of understanding. No reason to believe user will abuse/misuse the tools. Dlohcierekim 14:26, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I trust this user with the tools. He will make a fine admin. --Patrick (talk) 15:43, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support call it an irrational bout of trust (I know it when I see it). The candidate's record is a good prediction that he won't abuse the delete button. NVO (talk) 15:46, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - He'll do fine — Lost(talk) 16:17, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support (changed from oppose) - Ynhockey2 is a highly experienced editor. His article work is impressive, and I don't think he will misuse the tools. AdjustShift (talk) 16:30, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Over-the-top Support An Israeli hockey fan? It's certainly a demographic that is under-represented on Wikipedia. :) But seriously, my interaction with him has been outstanding. He has contributed heavily to this project despite his rather unusual outside commitments. My only critique is his lack of involvement in Wikiproject Ice Hockey, but I think the world will move forward. But actually (back to being serious), I see him everywhere, which is the kind of editor and admin that is great. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 16:46, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, user is involved in a WikiProject and is willing to learn. --Aqwis (talk – contributions) 18:14, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Suppory: He failed an RfA in 2006, and seems to have been happy to simply continue working on building the encyclopedia since then. Not exactly a sign of someone who is likely to cause disruption with the mop by any far stretch. Hiberniantears (talk) 18:46, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I can't wait for the "Oppose Too soon since last RfA"! Pascal.Tesson (talk) 20:19, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I was on the fence, because 2.5 years between RfA's is hardly enough time to consider life's meaning. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 23:46, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I can't wait for the "Oppose Too soon since last RfA"! Pascal.Tesson (talk) 20:19, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Avruch hits the nail square on the head. And I do so wish I'd thought of Hiberniantears' rationale. Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:20, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - Extremely impressed by the breakup I see here and the answers to my questions (though the answer to my fourth question was a little too politically correct for my taste). Sarvagnya 22:43, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support:The experience shown here convinces me that the candidate would have to be familiar with said policies, even if it was gained through tangential action. I see no problems. XF Law talk at me 23:20, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong support. Answers to optional questions show a high level of maturity, tact, intelligence, and all around clue. Dearth of drama-laden ANI experience is a plus in my book; reading through contribs and discussions makes me very confident that Ynhockey isn't going to jump into administrator arenas and start bashing the banhammer around uncontrollably. Tan | 39 23:39, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- support Editor likes hockey which is bad. But he likes Bleach which is good. Ok, joking aside, Ynhockey is a competent editor with better understanding of wikimarkup then I probably will ever have. He's one of the few editors on the Israel-Palestinians articles I've seen who seems to both understand that NPOV is not the same one's personal POV and moreover seems to be genuinely interested in achieving NPOV content. I find the editor's response in question 1 about experience issues to be while not completely compelling to be very reasonable especially given that the answers to the other questions generally demonstrate good understanding of wiki process. JoshuaZ (talk) 02:10, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Great article contributions and seems to interact well on article talk. Some more work at the noticeboards would be nice, but do we honestly need another admin that spends all of their time there? Nah, we're here to write an encyclopedia, not patrol noticeboards. AniMate 02:24, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. I liked the responses to the questions, and I feel that the editor will use the administrative tools properly, and has demonstrated interest in helping the project out. I see enough here to trust him. Lack of previous activity on the messageboards is not concerning in my view, as there's always time to learn, and as long as he doesn't jump in and start doing crazy things without consensus, he should be fine. Fraud talk to me 04:00, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support this experienced editor who gives clear answers to questions. Crystal whacker (talk) 04:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support While some of the issues raised are important, I think that, as several users above have pointed out, the most important one in handing the mop to a janitor is whether you trust him to actually mop up the muck, and not just start running around showing everyone how big and powerful that mop is -- I have no fear that this editor will misuse the bells and whistles granted through adminship. Morever it's no big deal in the grand scheme of things. Cheers!JasonDUIUC (talk) 05:16, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - I agree with whoever first said you don't need admin tools to be a Wikiproject co-ordinator, and of course any admin should steer clear of controversial tool use in areas they regularly work as an editor. As its been raised ind etail in this RfA, no doubt Ynhockey has got the emssage to stay clear of any perceived conflicts of interest. Re WP edit history, longterm editors can easily have a detailed understandign of WP policy and practicve without having made hundreds of edits to the policy pages. For example, extensive article editing will make anyone familiar enough with common vandalism to be able to take action on AIV reports, without having made 50 such reports themselves. Ynhockey's contribution record and (admittedly limited) WP work is enough to say its unlikely the tools will be abused. A net positive, and clearly someone who is committed to improving the encylopedia. Euryalus (talk) 05:29, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support My only real concern was with some material on one of Ynhockey's user subpages (marked as outdated) about IP editors, but I'm satisfied by his answer to my question. Other than that, the candidate looks fine to me. I would suggest, though, that Ynhockey either remove or strike through the stuff on that page with which he no longer agrees. Open editing is a foundation issue, and as an admin, you'll be, or at least be seen as, one of the foundation's representatives. AlexiusHoratius 06:23, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - nice responses, good work in the sensitive area of racial/national conflict. Good luck! ╟─TreasuryTag►contribs─╢ 10:44, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- If someone is intelligent, cautious, and gets what we do here, especially if there is a long history of demonstrating it, "experience in admin areas" is completely unecessary. --barneca (talk) 12:18, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Good responses to questions •Jim62sch•dissera! 12:30, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Why the hell not, its no big deal.--intraining Jack In 13:21, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- -- Y not? 14:08, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Responses confirm what the contribs show - a user who is level headed, thoughtful and understands policy. Lack of experience in admin areas is mitigated by the clear indications that he will not abuse the tools. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 16:01, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. I personally have no problems in seeing the nominee receiving adminship. Seems knowledgeable enough, and I can't think of any major issues caused as a result of the promotion. Blooded Edge (T•C•A) 17:55, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support 19,000 mainspace edits, here since '04, period. —Ed 17 for President Vote for Ed 18:42, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- ...and per Xynmax. —Ed 17 for President Vote for Ed 18:44, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Time-tested editor who shows NPOV, thorough understanding of policies, and trustworthiness. Shirulashem (talk) 18:53, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Ynhockey is one of most knowledgeable candidates in recent times. He also edits in a potentially contentious area, and managed to do so for a long time without stepping on any mines. I also think he has demonstrated sufficient commitment to the admin areas in which he plans to use the tools. VG ☎ 19:42, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support; I was -ahem- slightly brash in my decision. He's been here long enough to do mostly everything right. Net Positive. RockManQ (talk) 21:36, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - Everything I have seen with this candidate demonstrates he is ideal admin material. Able to work well with others, demonstrated ability to learn and grow, strong familiarity with all of the relevant policies in their current form. Ynhockey works in areas with some pretty heavy administrative observation; there's no 3RR to report if the action's already been taken, or the page protected, or the vandal blocked. He's been there, done that, and got the t-shirt long before almost everyone else on this page had made their first edit. Clean block log despite editing in very intense areas - a good sign. I will forgive his Canucks fandom. Risker (talk) 02:01, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- OMG I think I'm going to have to change my !vote to oppose based upon the last sentence... Go Avs!!!---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 01:09, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per my RfA criteria Foxy Loxy Pounce! 12:50, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - --Rocksanddirt (talk) 17:59, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Nothing concerning here. Sam Blab 19:18, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - Garion96 (talk) 19:36, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Per noms, per answers to the first three questions, and some quality contributions to this project. Cirt (talk) 23:27, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- SuPPorT Risker said it all. II MusLiM HyBRiD II ZOMG BBQ 00:52, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I literally starting editing wikipedia like 4 days before Ynhockey. I've never been elected for adminship. I WANNA HELICOPTER!- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 01:27, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - No concerns. I reviewed a number of his article Talk comments. He seems to be very patient. Good answers to the RfA questions. EdJohnston (talk) 03:47, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support: As sephiroth bcr mentioned in his nom, I think the user's immense experience (which would naturally result in a clear knowledge of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines) will help him to overcome any difficulties and make the correct decisions in his role as an admin. Chamal talk 04:50, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support: His experience and judgment I like. — Jojo • Talk • 13:06, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 16:32, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support: Tremendous experience. KensplanetTalkContributions 17:30, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support: definite support, great overall experience. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 21:23, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Every time a trusted user, as is this candidate, uses the sysop tool it means another admin does not have to - thus giving a trusted user the mop increases the effect. LessHeard vanU (talk) 21:37, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support The responses are solid - YnHockey has done himself justice. I had already chanced upon just a few (of a considerable body of hard work) of his admirable contributions and was impressed enough to look up the editor. These include subjects for which I had some knowledge and resources to contribute but was too put off by the sctual and potential heat to get stuck in; anyway, Yn makes a better job of it than I could. As for the "needs tools?" rattle, I'm mildly astonished at how this could be an oppose-worthy issue for this candidate. Plutonium27 (talk) 22:37, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Excellent candidate, reasonable and thoughtful. No valid issues concerning him yet raised. Jayjg (talk) 01:31, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. A trustworthy, good editor. NoCal100 (talk) 04:07, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 04:12, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Editor appears to be trustworthy; I do not believe he will misuse the tools. I therefore support his request. Fraud talk to me 04:58, 26 October 2008 (UTC)Whoops, my bad. I didn't think I voted in this RFA previously. My apologies. Fraud talk to me 01:03, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]- Indented as duplicate vote. Xclamation point 05:17, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, great editor which could and would benefit from the mop, definitely fits my criteria and frankly the reasons cited by the Oppose voters are ridiculous. +Hexagon1 (t) 12:14, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - Very good candidate, no problems I can see. You clearly have a strong history of productivity in controversial areas and I cannot see any reasons that you will abuse the tools. I have reviewed the concerns of the opposition with varying merit, and overall none of it concerns me. I think you have enough general experience for the admin areas you wish to work in, such as WP:RM. I disagree with the view that being involved in a WikiProject gives you an automatic COI in the area it covers. Yes WP:UNINVOLVED applies but many WikiProjects are in need of admins that can sort out day to day issues such as page move fixing and dealing with vandals. Camaron | Chris (talk) 12:34, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - a committed, clueful editor, and there is no reason to believe that he won't figure out how to appropriately use any mop-like cleaning tools too. --Slp1 (talk) 12:57, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support No reason to believe tools will be abused, and worthy of community trust -- Avi (talk) 14:02, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Seems trustworthy from his answers and contributions. Morbidthoughts (talk) 18:19, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Impressive contribution history. Trust is a given and therefore so is my support. I am not concerned about lack of activity in admin-areas cited by opposes. My criteria is trust, as anyone who can be trusted with the tools can only help when they choose to use them. ⇔ ∫ÆS dt @ 23:46, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Clearly the user can be trusted with the tools, therefore Support. X MarX the Spot (talk) 00:44, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Seems ok to me. Ameriquedialectics 06:35, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Yep Frank | talk 17:38, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support: I see him as seemingly trustworthy candidate with lots of wiki contributions. Just 2 RFAs in 4 years should be seriously an eyeopener for many admin hopefuls :) -- Tinu Cherian - 05:42, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support good experienced editor who doesn't cause waves in a very controversial area. ϢereSpielChequers 10:01, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support: been around a while, none of the opposes are deal-breakers for mine, i.e. highly likely will be a net positive. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Of course, one of those RFAs that should have been automatic. Longstanding user, always been a reason of calm especially with the 9-11 articles which has been a source of wiki biggest dramas for years. Experience oppose votes are very weak Secret account 18:04, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. I concur with much of the above, I'm seeing a good, experienced user with quality contributions. No reason not to trust them with the tools. UltraExactZZ Claims ~ Evidence 18:47, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
- Oppose - I hate to be the first to oppose and not to be able to cite any diffs...Anyway. It's good to see an editor with this much experience, but I just don't see a need for the tools. Ynhockey expresses a desire to work in WP:RFPP, WP:AIV, and WP:RM, but out of the total 25000 edits has made a total of 14 edits to WP:RM, and fewer than 5 to the other two areas. The nom has also made 20 edits to WP:ANI, but states that they will wait for some time to work in that area. Additionally, I could see a potential on-wiki COI issue; as a main editor to a Wikiproject, using admin tools to work on that area seems like it could cause issues. NOTE: I'm not flaming possibilities here, I'm just noticing an issue which could arise. As such, I feel I must oppose; though he is a trustworthy user, the tools are not needed in the current areas in which he works. --tennisman 19:25, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not sure I understand this rationale. Would you prefer an inexperienced and untrustworthy editor who trolls around WP:RFPP, WP:AIV, and WP:RM? Ynhockey has devoted his time to content editing, including many unique contributions (such as graphics and templates). If and when he gets the tools, he will start working in those areas and, in time, will start using those tools. Why is that a problem? -- Nudve (talk) 19:38, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I guess I see it this way. If/when he gets the tools, he'll not know what to do with them, having not worked in the areas he wants to yet. Trial by fire may be a good thing, but I'd rather see users becoming admins already having a good bit of knowledge of AfD/CSD/AIV/etc policy beforehand. For the record, no, I don't want users "troll[ing] around WP:RFPP, WP:AIV and WP:RM". I just want admins working there to know what they're doing. --tennisman 19:54, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- OK :) But as long as you trust his judgment and his understanding of policy, in what way are you afraid he might abuse the tools? -- Nudve (talk) 05:11, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I suppose it really doesn't matter seeing as he's going to pass anyway, but his past edits don't show any need for the tools. It's not that I think he'll ABUSE them, it's that I don't see for what he WILL use them. --tennisman 23:41, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, in a manner of speaking, if someone 'needs' the tools, they probably shouldn't get em. No one really needs them but rather it is necessary for the project that some trusted users have them. --Regents Park (sink with my stocks) 23:56, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I suppose it really doesn't matter seeing as he's going to pass anyway, but his past edits don't show any need for the tools. It's not that I think he'll ABUSE them, it's that I don't see for what he WILL use them. --tennisman 23:41, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- OK :) But as long as you trust his judgment and his understanding of policy, in what way are you afraid he might abuse the tools? -- Nudve (talk) 05:11, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I guess I see it this way. If/when he gets the tools, he'll not know what to do with them, having not worked in the areas he wants to yet. Trial by fire may be a good thing, but I'd rather see users becoming admins already having a good bit of knowledge of AfD/CSD/AIV/etc policy beforehand. For the record, no, I don't want users "troll[ing] around WP:RFPP, WP:AIV and WP:RM". I just want admins working there to know what they're doing. --tennisman 19:54, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not sure I understand this rationale. Would you prefer an inexperienced and untrustworthy editor who trolls around WP:RFPP, WP:AIV, and WP:RM? Ynhockey has devoted his time to content editing, including many unique contributions (such as graphics and templates). If and when he gets the tools, he will start working in those areas and, in time, will start using those tools. Why is that a problem? -- Nudve (talk) 19:38, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose - Given my previous neutral rationale. It's enough to warrant an oppose. Wisdom89 (T / C) 20:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose As per the previous comments and, ironically, as per this comment by his co-nomination: "he does not have a great deal of participation in traditional administrator areas..." This lack on project input on that front does not make him a net positive and, thus, cannot support him. Sorry, Ecoleetage (talk) 00:04, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per tennisman. The candidate could use more experience in the admin areas in which he says he plans to participate. In time he'll be ready for the mop. Majoreditor (talk) 02:14, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose - per teh tennisman. macy 04:07, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Not enough experience within admin-related areas. Perhaps in another six months? Elucidate (parlez à moi) Ici pour humor 15:04, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Given that he has been around for four years, it's hard to imagine what another 6 months will add. Pascal.Tesson (talk) 17:30, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per User:Teh tennisman. Not enough experience in admin-related areas. AdjustShift (talk) 15:34, 22 October 2008 (UTC)Changed to support, please see above. AdjustShift (talk) 16:21, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose - I'm sorry, but I cannot support !vote on a candidate who wants to work in areas they have little experience in to start with. Come back with more experience (although it does indeed look like this will pass anyway) and you will no doubt be getting a support from me. Good editor, though. — neuro(talk) 21:54, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Oppose per nom? Your answers to questions clearly show that you are intelligent and have clue, and your efforts in improving the project are commendable, however, you need more experience in admin areas, specifically the areas you want to work in, before I can support. Erik the Red 2 ~~~~ 00:00, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose per User:teh tennisman and also due to lack of experience. Sorry Ijanderson (talk) 11:55, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose - weak and inconsistant XfD experience. Some inappropiate keep votes. Lack of AN/I experience. And frankly, admins with huge interest and membership in highly contentious WikiProjects who plan to use their admin tools in said project are not the sort of thing I'm looking for in admins. -- Logical Premise Ergo? 17:29, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I disagree with virtually every statement here. "Weak and inconsistant [sic] XfD experience" - Ynhockey has made about 20 XfD votes in the last three months, and about 100 votes over his entire Wikipedia career of more than two years. I don't know what standard of experience you're looking for, but if 100 XfD votes is not enough, we've got serious problems here. He also does some deletion sorting. "Some inappropriate keep votes." Name two, since you used plural. Cite evidence for your statement or else retract it. "Lack of AN/I experience" - this is not required for adminship anyway, but he does have 10 edits to WP:AN/I, most recently this very reasonable reaction to a series of personal attacks. "And frankly, admins with huge interest and membership in highly contentious WikiProjects who plan to use their admin tools in said project are not the sort of thing I'm looking for in admins." And frankly, there is nothing wrong with being involved in Wikipedia:WikiProject Israel - it is not inherently "highly contentious" and frequently produces and improves articles on noncontroversial encyclopedic topics. If Ynhockey has personally been involved in edit-warring, present evidence of that - otherwise, don't play a game of guilt-by-association. That's not the sort of thing I'm looking for in RFA voters. Crystal whacker (talk) 14:35, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose I don't feel that I can support a user with virtually no experience in the areas that they want to work in. Sure, the user has good judgment, but judgment is no substitute for experience. Furthermore, the user said many times that they would look for the opinion of other admins in areas that they want to work. Input from other admins should not be necessary for most decisions that an administrator needs to make, and if it is, it should hold the same weight as any other users input. Mww113 (talk) 20:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose As per MWW113 and the areas where he says have TOO many admins there anyway. Itfc+canes=me Talk Contributions 14:48, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Too many admins? Aren't the pundits saying that the admin corps are running dryer by the day when it comes to day-to-day maintenance on the encyclopedia? - Mailer Diablo 18:17, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It isn't possible to have too many admins working to resolve the backlogs. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 22:34, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Too many admins? Let's kill that ludicrous meme right now. There cannot be too many admins. You know what admins do when they're not busy doing admin stuff? They do editing stuff like improving articles, helping to organize content, getting involved in talk page debates. Seriously, anyone opposing an RfA on the grounds that there are too many admins deserves one of these. Pascal.Tesson (talk) 17:30, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Someone needs to tell RfB that. -- Logical Premise Ergo? 20:10, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Too many admins? Aren't the pundits saying that the admin corps are running dryer by the day when it comes to day-to-day maintenance on the encyclopedia? - Mailer Diablo 18:17, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose Lack of project space experience disturbs me.--Koji† 23:55, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose for lack of project space and per Tennisman, Erik and Eco. -- ₪ Amused Repose Converse! 16:18, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Oppose Sorry I am late on this vote (have been away), but I urge everybody to read what I have just written on Talk:Karmiel. In short: Ynhockey has done thousands of useful, though mostly minor and uncontroversial edits, on many articles, including geography-articles of Israel. The problem is that he has a strong POV regarding MiddleEast (Israel/Palestine)-articles, and he has become an editor which strongly pro-Israeli editors notify when they want/need support. Nothing unusual in that, but I am very reluctant in giving the tools to somebody with such a strong POV, when he has not in any way shown that he has a great need for the mop. Regards, Huldra (talk) 16:43, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Nothing wrong with Ynhockey comments on the talk page. It should be noted that his edits on the article itself are uncontroversial, and his response just mirrors Wikipedia policies on dispute resolution and NPOV and are highly appropriate given the edit war on this article. I cannot see anywhere from his edits on this page that he holds a strong POV. Голубое сало/Blue Salo (talk) 18:04, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I have to agree with Blue here, I don't see anything to demonstrate that Ynhockey is doing anything besides presenting WP policy. If this is the most egregious example of Ynhockey's POV pushing, then I'm going to have to change my !vote from cautious support to support. I see a person who is making a policy based statement, providing a firm rationale for it, and asking for reliable sources.---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 18:25, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I have no idea if this is the "most egregious" example of POV pushing, this was an example I knew, where he supported the removal of sourced information (that had been in the article for more than two years). (I have not had time to look through his other edits). You don´t solve WP:UNDUE by removal of stuff you don´t like. I can agree that discussions should have started earlier on the talk-page, but that editors goes straight to him, (and, suprise, suprise, gets support for *their* view,) doesn´t that tell you anything? No? What he supported the removal of was a reliable source; that is the point. Regards, Huldra (talk) 18:42, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Since that article's talk page is almost a case of WP:TLDR, can you provide any diffs supporting your comment that Ynhockey supported the removal of a reliable source? It seems a little unreasonable to expect us to just read what you wrote and pick out that one detail. I'd like to evaluate your concern but don't have any specifics to do so. Frank | talk 18:53, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I assume it is this diff, Ynhockey's only edit before today (ignoring adding a tag for the wikiproject Israel and fixing a typo). All other edits were done after the discussion started here on the Rfa page. Голубое сало/Blue Salo (talk) 19:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Since that article's talk page is almost a case of WP:TLDR, can you provide any diffs supporting your comment that Ynhockey supported the removal of a reliable source? It seems a little unreasonable to expect us to just read what you wrote and pick out that one detail. I'd like to evaluate your concern but don't have any specifics to do so. Frank | talk 18:53, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I have no idea if this is the "most egregious" example of POV pushing, this was an example I knew, where he supported the removal of sourced information (that had been in the article for more than two years). (I have not had time to look through his other edits). You don´t solve WP:UNDUE by removal of stuff you don´t like. I can agree that discussions should have started earlier on the talk-page, but that editors goes straight to him, (and, suprise, suprise, gets support for *their* view,) doesn´t that tell you anything? No? What he supported the removal of was a reliable source; that is the point. Regards, Huldra (talk) 18:42, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I have to agree with Blue here, I don't see anything to demonstrate that Ynhockey is doing anything besides presenting WP policy. If this is the most egregious example of Ynhockey's POV pushing, then I'm going to have to change my !vote from cautious support to support. I see a person who is making a policy based statement, providing a firm rationale for it, and asking for reliable sources.---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 18:25, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Nothing wrong with Ynhockey comments on the talk page. It should be noted that his edits on the article itself are uncontroversial, and his response just mirrors Wikipedia policies on dispute resolution and NPOV and are highly appropriate given the edit war on this article. I cannot see anywhere from his edits on this page that he holds a strong POV. Голубое сало/Blue Salo (talk) 18:04, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Neutral - Candidate has virtually no experience in the areas they wish to work (AIV, RFPP etc..), and indicates that they will implement the tools in a wikiproject they coordinate (or will coordinate) and contribute heavily to. Wisdom89 (T / C) 18:39, 21 October 2008 (UTC) Switched to oppose. Wisdom89 (T / C) 20:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Netural leaning Oppose Candidate exprasses to work in areas he has little experience. Sorry. America69 (talk) 19:05, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
NeutralSwitch to oppose Wisdom89 and America69 said it best...and first (I have to figure out a way to get to these things earlier). Also, one doesn't need to be an admin to be a WikiProject coordinator (as per the candidate's response to Q1). Ecoleetage (talk) 19:15, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral — Per Wisdom89, America69 and Ecoleetage. I'll switch accordingly later on. —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 20:04, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral I hate to give a useless "per User:X" comment, but Wisdom89 said it all. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 23:17, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral. Ynhockey is a good contributor, but has little experience is admin-related areas he/she plans to work on. Will gladly support with more experience in these areas. DiverseMentality(Boo!) 03:21, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- neutral Pascal's reasoning does makes sense here... I'd like to have seen more in the areas where he wishes to contribute and I'm not 100% sold... but if he can endure Israel without getting tons of POV pushing complaints that says something... should this fail, I would recommend that you start responding to people where the discussion began... talk pages like yours are a major pain in the butt! I might have supported if I could easily see your responses, but I just don't have the time to trace your conversations adequately.---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 05:28, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Pending A to my Q's. Ncmvocalist (talk) 14:51, 22 October 2008 (UTC)Some well thought out answers in some ways, however, I don't think it attacked the issues strongly enough either. For me to support, most of the fundamentals are there - sufficient for a lot of the stuff he wants to work in. However, I expect that an editor who goes for RFA after 3 years should have, and be able to demonstrate, a strong and deep understanding of these fundamentals. Like others here, I'm not satisfied that there is enough experience, which is why I suspect that part of the understanding fell short of what I was hoping for. In such cases of that missing "depth", users with tools can (without realising, and without the community noticing) do more damage than good. Despite my concern, there are some other positives, and it seems he is trying to be very careful which may avoid that problem. Overall imo, it's certainly not enough for my support, but it just falls short of oppose. Neutral. Ncmvocalist (talk) 13:19, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]- Neutral per not enough experience in the areas that they wish to contribute in as an administrator. With as many edits as the candidate has, I think it would be reasonable to expect to see a significant number of additional edits to their declared areas of interest. --Strikerforce (talk) 19:49, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral. Overall, good contributions. However Ynhockey does not have much experience in the areas that he intends to mop. Axl ¤ [Talk] 19:52, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral. I was borderline before reading this discussion; I think there's too much fence-sitting in the answers to questions. As an admin, you will have to take strong positions one way or the other. (And yes, I am aware of the irony in voting neutral for this reason.) Stifle (talk) 08:12, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral per Erik the Red. Icewedge (talk) 23:26, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral. I would answer Q10 slightly differently myself: in almost all cases, I would be inclined to disallow a non-free image of a living individual, even in the exceptional case of somebody who is “inaccessible to the public.” As for Q5: TMI. Overall, however, seems like a good candidate. Bwrs (talk) 04:05, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Meutral. Just not enough experience in admin-related areas for a support, though I sincerely hope this does pass. Good luck, Malinaccier (talk) 18:13, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral seems like a good editor, but not enough experience to become an effective administrator. More experience in admin-related activity will gain my support in the future. Seems like this editor does have decent judgment, so I hope this RfA passes. - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ guestbook ♦ contribs 19:57, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral leaning Support Admire work at WP:ANIME very much. Some issues with Ynhockey's votes in XfD's, though. IceUnshattered [ t ] 20:49, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The above adminship discussion is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the talk page of either this nomination or the nominated user). No further edits should be made to this page.
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Final: (65/8/7); ended 19:16, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
Magioladitis (talk · contribs) - For my fiftieth nomination for adminship.. yes, 50.. I decided to do something different. Back in May, I stumbled upon a user by the name of Magioladitis, a very productive editor, one who does the little things well and handles what needs to be handled in the more tedious areaas of Wikipedia, such as Wikipedia:WikiProject Red Link Recovery and Wikipedia:Dead-end pages. However, looking through his contribs I did not have the best gut feeling, so I did something I don't do; change my mind. I figure I'll give him a few months and check up on his contribs later to see how he's improved. I can guarantee, I've went from thinking he's pretty qualified for adminship to saying that he's very qualified.
First off, he's a janitor. Dealing with articles of questionable notability, tagging ridiculous redirects for speedy deletion, this is all work that is tedious, and not very fun, but it needs to be done. The fact that he is willing to do it as a non-admin shows how well he would be as an admin. He has creating most of Members of the Greek Parliament, 2007-, among other similar lists, and the Treaty of Lisbon. He's also helped keep the Article issues template up to date. I know there were CSD concerns back in his first run for adminship, but a look through his deleted contribs shows proper use of both CSD and PROD, with no issues I can see. He does contribute to fiction which gave me pause at first (the issues there we all know), but he contributes there properly and takes no extreme positions, which is great for being both an editor and an admin in that area.
If you're still not convinced, remember that as I said earlier, I held off on this until I knew he was ready, and as a result I can really give you my word that he will be a fine admin who isn't going to go do something stupid. Wizardman 19:16, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Candidate, please indicate acceptance of the nomination here:
I accept the nomination. Thank you. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:48, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Questions for the candidate
Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve Wikipedia as an administrator. It is recommended that you answer these optional questions to provide guidance for participants:
- 1. What administrative work do you intend to take part in?
- A: I am willing to keep deleting redirects caused by typos (for example redirects with quotes just because new editors are not familiar with creating new articles), closing some XfDs, especially TfDs (I have done a few non-admin closures). I can also block vandals.
- 2. What are your best contributions to Wikipedia, and why?
- A: I really enjoyed adding references to every single case in List of aviation accidents and incidents during the Iraq War. I also enjoyed creating articles for many Greek politicians and political parties. I improved articles for minor Greek parties adding images. There is much janitorial work I enjoy as well.
- 3. Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or have other users caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?
- A: I have been in some conflicts in these 2 years. I always behave calmly trying to explain the rules and my point of view. Recently a user kept reverting an edit based on the new Manual of Style for dates. This caused me stress because the user ignored my messages to its page, which provided links to MOSNUM, used multiple IPs and kept reverting. After reverting 2 times I searched for other ways to solve the problem (report user, request article protection) and things wend fine. You can check Talk:Evangelos Venizelos for how I handled a case about a controversy of an active politician and here for the case with the editor who kept ignoring the Treaty of Lisbon article.
- Optional questions from Aitias
- 4. Is there any circumstance in which you would delete a page despite a Hangon tag?
- A. In the most case... No. There are some exceptions:
- The hangon stays there for days and the user didn't reply my messages in its talk page. I 've been patient in many cases. Check Talk:List of Heroes characters with special abilities where I propose a merge, an anonymous IP asks 2 day to fix it, I reply that there is no rush, after a week I take the same message and I still don't touch the article.
- The article is an attack page or insulting for a person, alive or dead.
- Followup Q. How about Article contents: "Joe Smith is a leading junior high school athlete at X school, and is certain to have a famous career in high school" -- and a hangon tag without any further explanation? DGG (talk) 22:26, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I think I got your point. A page tagged with for speedy deletion and a hangon tag may still be deleted if it fulfills the criteria for speedy deletion and I would delete it. What I tried to say in my answer is that I would be more careful when a hangon tags is there and if an article just seems poor I would give the opportunity to its editor to improve it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:31, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Followup Q. How about Article contents: "Joe Smith is a leading junior high school athlete at X school, and is certain to have a famous career in high school" -- and a hangon tag without any further explanation? DGG (talk) 22:26, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- 5. What would your personal standards be on granting and removing rollback?
- A. I would check if the editor had a satisfying number of edits, of the editor really needs to revert because his contributions involve a lot of page patrolling and vandalism counterediting, and if they were ok, any involvements to edit warring. If all above were ok, I would grand him the rollback.
- 6. Under what circumstances may a non-free photograph of a living person be used on Wikipedia?
- A. I haven't worked a lot with photographs and images. Until now I cared more on adding Fair Rationale templates to some images. I am not planning to deal with photographs in the short future.
- 7. An IP vandalises a page. You revert the vandalism and give the IP a final warning on its talk page. After that the IP vandalises your userpage. Summarising, the IP was sufficiently warned and vandalised (your userpage) after a final warning. Would you block the IP yourself or rather report it to WP:AIV? Respectively, would you consider blocking the IP yourself a conflict of interests?
- A. If the vandalism was on an article I have contributed I would report the vandalism to WP:AIV. It's always better not to take the whole responsibility for blocking a user alone. In any other case I would block the IP after the final warning given.
- What if the user vandalised pages you hadn't edited on but then vandalised your user page? Would you still report to AIV? —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 21:22, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Check what happened with User: Max Mux. I even left my talk page for some minutes without reverting (another editor reverted it after some minutes). The same I did with the Treaty of Lisbon. Since a vandal is under surveillance, its actions are limited. Administrators response time in WP:AIV is good in general. I can help in improving this more by participating there but it's always better to leave a third person to handle issues you are involved. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:34, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- What if the user vandalised pages you hadn't edited on but then vandalised your user page? Would you still report to AIV? —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 21:22, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- A. If the vandalism was on an article I have contributed I would report the vandalism to WP:AIV. It's always better not to take the whole responsibility for blocking a user alone. In any other case I would block the IP after the final warning given.
- Optional question from Protonk (talk)
- 8: What, for you, constitutes an acceptable redirect from a typo and an unacceptable redirect from a typo? I know you mentioned quotes in Q1 but I'm looking for something more general. Thanks. Protonk (talk) 00:42, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I participated for some time in Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion and I also proposed an improvement to the R3 criterion. I think that redirects having quotes, apostrophes, brackets or parentheses around the name should not exist (unless, of course, the original title has them). Acceptable typos of course are these caused because of common spelling errors (for rxample Nicole Kidmann or alternative spelling. By working in the red link recovery project I have created hundreds of redirects. You can also check Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Redirects from foreign languages where I participate in the creation of this essay and I hope that one day becomes policy in Wikipedia.
Optional question from Balloonman:
- 9 I want to support, I really do. Wizardman's nom is very compelling and I have a lot of respect for his opinion when it comes to RfA's. That being said, I have some trouble you talk page. Namely, the talk page is not one that I would expect from an admin candidate. There are a number of people coming to your page with warnings or requests to stop---these are often related to your use of various bots. That being said, how can you satisfy my concern that the numerous warnings that you received as recently as a few months ago are a thing of the past?---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 06:59, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I am improving by bot all the time. Of course there always some bad moments (please ignore User:Badagnani's warnings because they were unfair and he got blocked after that). Recently my bot did some bad edits in working with articles in Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics. I cooperated with the team and corrected them immediately. I can ensure you that I am getting better in this area every day. I am reporting bugs (because is not always by bot's mistake) and make suggestions in AWB very often. Yes, I believe you won't see requests to stop in the future in my talk page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:08, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Optional question from Dendodge (talk · contribs)
- 10 What is the difference between a block and a ban? Dendodge|TalkContribs 11:10, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
(I corrected the word in Q7. I make many mistakes when typing). Ban is a restriction to an editor's rights, a set of extra rules the editor has to follow. Block is a technical method to prevent an editor editing in Wikipedia. For example there was a Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Episodes and characters 2 which resulted in User:TTN ban. The editor wasn't blocked until he ignored his restrictions. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:13, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Optional question from Blooded Edge (talk · contribs)
- 11. As an administrator, you will most probably come across rash users/IPs, who will not take kindly to reversions by yourself, for whatever the reason. Indeed, you may already have been in such situations before. I want to know what exactly your personal stance is on the cool down block. Wikipedia generally discourages admins from taking this course of action, due to the belief it only inflames the situation. However, there is still the small chance that the subject will indeed take the oppurtunity to review his/her actions, and may change his/her way of acting to something more appropriate. Assuming that Wikipedia had no clear policy on this, would you use such a block? Or wait until the IP/User simply becomes too irksome to ignore?
- From my experience until now, I have realized that a message to the talk page really helps. The editor needs some time to read it and slows down a bit. Blocking someone only to coll down, IMO, it's not a good idea. The result would be a person doing Wikistalking to your contributions, vandalising your page for a long period, etc. The block would be a solution only in the case that the editor starts disrupting edits in many articles. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:57, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Optional question from DGG (talk · contribs)
- 12. You have frequently expressed a strong opinion on the deletion of articles on fiction. It often disagrees with my view , but I don't hold that against anyone at an AfD, any more than my view was held against me. But I refrain from closing afds in that subject. Not that I couldn't judge fairly, but i do not want people saying i might have not judged fairly. What is your view about that as applies to you? DGG (talk) 02:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I always try to work with consensus and I always respect consensus. I am trying hard to cooperate with people. Check Talk:List of minor EastEnders characters (1988) for example. I proposed deletion, the result was keep indicating merge and I discussed it in the talk page. After the discussion I removed the merge tag. Check that for the List of games supporting force feedback I proposed deletion and since there was a consensus for keeping, I started improving the article. Moreover, I really take in account your comments and Pixelface's as well. I spent some time yesterday rereading the instructions about AfDs and I promise not to participate in heavily closing AfDs about fiction. In general, I will be very careful in anything I do until I get used with the tools and gain more experience. I think you are going to be supriced in how good I am in respecting the consensus. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:09, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I interpret "not heavily closing" meaning that you do not intend to close many, not that you promise to avoid closing evenly balanced ones in favor of your own viewpoint. DGG (talk) 21:08, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't know if it is my English or you understood wrong. "Heavily closing" = doing many. I won't close AfDs until I am sure I can do it right. I am sorry if the problem is my English, which is not my mother's tongue. -- Magioladitis (talk)
- let me try again, then: Q You have a general opinion very frequently expressed that most fiction articles are not notable. Do you intend to close any AfDs on this subject? DGG (talk) 21:26, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I have the opinion that most spin-offs (episodes, plot devices, etc.) to main article of TV series are non notable, independently from the tv series itself. I agree with WP:FICTION that in this case a different article should not exist. I have the opinion that not all characters of a tv series are notable. Jericho TV series is a great example of my point of view. Check Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Johnston Green for exactly how I see things. Separate articles for main characters and redirects and lists for the rest. I helped in the improvement of Robert Hawkins (Jericho character) and the cleanup of List of Jericho characters. O am quite confident that my point of view, won't affect my judgment. The opposite may happen. I tend to respect consensus. To answer your question: Right now I am don't feel confident in closing an AfD in Fiction. I won't do it in the short future. I don't want people to complain. Do you want me to promise that I won't close any AfD in the rest of my life even if there is a consensus for snowball keep, nomination withdrawn or something like this? I can't do that. -- Magioladitis (talk)
- I interpret "not heavily closing" meaning that you do not intend to close many, not that you promise to avoid closing evenly balanced ones in favor of your own viewpoint. DGG (talk) 21:08, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
General comments
- Links for Magioladitis: Magioladitis (talk · contribs · deleted · count · AfD · logs · block log · lu · rfar · spi)
- See Magioladitis's edit summary usage with mathbot's tool. For the edit count, see the talk page.
Please keep discussion constructive and civil. If you are unfamiliar with the nominee, please thoroughly review Special:Contributions/Magioladitis before commenting.
Discussion
Support
- Support as nom. Wizardman 19:57, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - Solid long time contributor. Hard working. Wisdom89 (T / C) 20:04, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support Has been contributing forever, works like a slave, all around great contribs in multiple areas. Erik the Red 2 ~~~~ 20:07, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support: We need more hard working admins like this who know how to -and want to- use the mop where few of us ever venture. Hiberniantears (talk) 20:11, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. User with a good reputation. Good luck, Malinaccier (talk) 20:21, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Not too dramatic. Answers to questions meet my criteria on maximum words. Tombomp (talk/contribs) 20:34, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Weak Support I trust a janitor candidate to handle a mop - he wouldn't be a full janitor without a mop (and a certain crazyness ;-) I trust the nominator and the contributions I reviewed confirmed it. SoWhy 20:37, 17 October 2008 (UTC) changing to weak support in light of the oppose by Pixelface. Those AfDs are concerning and I expect the candidate to read up on the relevant policies and guidelines before making a single AfD closure.[reply]
- Also per this CSD tagging, which shows a mistake that is easy to make (made it myself some times) but while I still support, I strongly advise you to re-read the policies and guidelines regarding deletion. SoWhy 13:34, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Solid Wikipedian and a workhorse to boot. CSD concerns from last RFA have been addressed. There is nothing to oppose and a lot to support. Dr.K. (talk) 20:42, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support as per your first RfA, I have no reason to alter my opinion. RMHED (talk) 20:52, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Has been around since July 2006 and has over 20000 mainspace edits and over 33000 overall further as per track see no concerns of misuse of tools and concerns of earlier RFA overcome .Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 21:00, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support; why the hell not, and net positive. RockManQ (talk) 21:11, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Also, passes my criteria. Happy Editing and Good Luck! :P RockManQ (talk) 21:50, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Quite a large amount of experience, fills a needed admin job, and overall I trust the nom and them. --Banime (talk) 21:36, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support — No concerns. Best of luck! —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 21:51, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Per nom by Wizardman (talk · contribs), per answers to the first three questions, and some great positive contributions to the project. Nice work on List of aviation accidents and incidents during the Iraq War, by the way. Cirt (talk) 21:56, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I see no issues. America69 (talk) 22:03, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - yep. jj137 (talk) 22:14, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, has shown a remarkable dedication to wikipedia. Would certainly make a constructive admin. --Soman (talk) 22:17, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The nominations haven't gotten any more flattering. Garden. 22:28, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per nom. meets my standards. no reason not to. Dlohcierekim 22:38, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. bibliomaniac15 22:57, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support — Realist2 23:13, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support. Many contributions, helps the Wikipedia:WikiProject Greece by tagging articles and assessing them. He has improved Wikipedia articles in a number of ways, always with attention to detail. He is hard-working and rightly deserves to be admin. nips (talk) 23:19, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support LittleMountain5 review! 23:33, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Hello, I'm Diana Ross -- you can call me "Miss Ross" -- and I'm here to be worshipped by my millions of fans...oh, wrong queue. But while I'm here: Support for a savvy and dedicated editor for whom we don't need to ask "do you know where you're going to?" Ecoleetage (talk) 00:19, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- This has taken the standards of RfA comments to the stratosphere. From now on any possible comment in an RfA would seem dull by comparison. Dr.K. (talk) 01:41, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- SOlid work. Glad your work payed off, aren't ya'? —Ceranthor(Sing) 01:51, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. I particularly and very strongly support the nominee's position that it is always better to let another admin handle issues in which one is involved (see answer to question 7): every admin should take that position. — Athaenara ✉ 02:11, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support seems like a great candidate; per my RfA criteria Foxy Loxy Pounce! 03:37, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support over 30,000 edits and no blocks. I'm happy to support, esp as per answers to Qs. ϢereSpielChequers 09:04, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, see no reason not to. Stifle (talk) 09:09, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support High number of edits, good decision maker, happy to support :D cf38talk 13:04, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - Yep! AdjustShift (talk) 13:09, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- SupoortII MusLiM HyBRiD II 13:31, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Net positive. Best wishes. Pedro : Chat 13:45, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Changed from Neutral, leaning towards support to Support: Would make a great admin, and is willing to do the tasks no-one else wants to do. Dendodge|TalkContribs 13:51, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - Why not? macy 17:15, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Good, honest, and concise answers to questions... and per Balloonman's question, candidate openly admits when they screw up without trying to over-context it. I trust this candidate and believe they will use the tools responsibly. Townlake (talk) 17:23, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Seen Magioladitis at WP:DEP quite a bit over the last couple of years, and no worries about mop abuse. Janitors can definitely make good use of mops.--Fabrictramp | talk to me 20:18, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Everything about this candidate screams "trustworthy and competent". Punish him with the tools I say! Support X MarX the Spot (talk) 20:47, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. When I joined Wikipedia, Magioladitis was one of the first editors whose example inspired me to get involved, learn policy, and contribute. This is a great editor, and I support wholeheartedly, but suggest that he address some of the issues brought up by Caspian Blue below, including the answer to Q6. SunDragon34 (talk) 22:49, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support The oppose raised (#1) below gives me a bit of concern, but I believe it would be a net positive to Wikipedia if this editor were given to mop. --Strikerforce (talk) 23:23, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Solid editor, can always use those that do the non-glamorous 'janitorial' aspects of the 'job' SkierRMH (talk) 23:44, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I have had only one interaction with Magio, but that was positive. He showed me that it was incorrect to use a specific category on articles in a kind and helpful fashion. Articlebuilding is weak, though. ~one of many editorofthewikis (talk/contribs/editor review)~ 23:57, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support, I see no reason not to. The issue brought up by Caspian Blue is perhaps borderline but not totally out of line, and most of us have found ourselves in similar situations from time to time. I also see nothing wrong with the answer to Q6, and in fact am quite glad to see an admin candidate who's not afraid to answer "I don't know" when that's the truth. Seraphimblade Talk to me 05:47, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Looks like a good editor and is honest. What's not to like? DiverseMentality(Boo!) 06:25, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Good contributions and answers. Magioladitis has a broadened his experience since the last RfA. Axl ¤ [Talk] 09:15, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support I've interacted with Magioladitis at {{articleissues}}, where we've cooperated to maintain the template (or did, until it was fully protected). I think we have a slightly different views on which templates can be included in articleissues, but otherwise I've found him a fair editor, willing to cooperate.--Aervanath lives in the Orphanage 09:18, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per 30,000 edits. There's nothing wrong with janitorial work; someone's got to do it. ~ User:Ameliorate! (with the !) (talk) 12:20, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - good contributions, not overly eager to become an adminstrator, as intermittence length would indicate. Support as last time (#7). Caulde 14:16, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Everyme 05:00, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Support as for the same reasons I already nominated him once :-) --Xtv - (my talk) - (que dius que què?) 12:12, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Giving this candidate the mop would free up admins to help in other areas. I see no obvious reason for concern. Good luck! SWik78 (talk • contribs) 12:38, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Absolutely. Excellent work all around. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:31, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Does good work in the X part of XfD (as in, things other than articles). Protonk (talk) 17:15, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per good work at AfD. HiDrNick! 18:41, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support per all of the above Charles Edward 18:53, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support good contributor. Tohd8BohaithuGh1 (talk) 20:01, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support. Experienced contributor that also participated substantially in admin-related areas. VG ☎ 22:32, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Excellent contributor. AniMate 04:06, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Per the Wiz. MBisanz talk 01:50, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - Why the hell not? --Flewis(talk) 08:30, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Sensible enough to stay out of the wiki fiction drama despite his strong views on fiction, which is admirable. No other possible red flags. – sgeureka t•c 10:55, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Why the hell not, its no big deal.--intraining Jack In 13:19, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support - trustworthy and much needed in XfDs. -- Biruitorul Talk 00:45, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Support: Adminship is a natural progression for hardworking and solid contributors like the candidate. -- Tinu Cherian - 15:09, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Will be fine. Acalamari 15:26, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
- Oppose per Q3, Q6, Q9, especially per WP:AN3#Badagnani reported by Magioladitis. The candidate was edit warring with Badagnani and reported him to not ANI but AN3. I watched the whole show at that time of edit warring. There was no 3RR violation, and the user barely used talk pages with him. That is not only an evidence that the candidate lacks of understanding of policies but also I think he would use his admin tool to block somebody in dispute instead of resolving the matter with a discussion. I also have had hard time with the mentioned user and agreed with his insistence wrong. However, the report was gaming a system from bad faith to block the disputed editor. As for Q 6, that is not even an answer. You have to say about the question since you are asked to do so. Admin with specialty is okay, but at least you have to show willingness to answer the question as searching for the image policies.--Caspian blue 15:23, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose due to spotty success rate with nominations (see here) of fictional characters and television episodes, which means I do not trust the candidate's judgment regarding the worthiness of these articles, and he seems to only "vote" one way (see these examples) in these discussions as well, which means I do not trust his neutrality. If the candidate vowed to never close discussions on television characters or episodes, just as you won't see me do, I might feel otherwise, but as of right now I am concerned with the obious bias concerning these particular topics. --A Nobody 21:17, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Check 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 in the examples you demonstrate where i didn't vote for deletion. In this one I didn't vote. I just categorized the Afd. Moreover, 20 of the links are not AfDs. Also notice that the vast majority of the articles finally kept are not for fictional characters but for real persons. I sent for AfD many article tagged as failing notability since June 2007 as part of a cleanup process. In many cases, after references were given I have withdrawn my nominations. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:49, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose, I could not trust this user to close any AFDs whatsoever. As of October 16, 2008, this user was still referring to WP:FICTION in deletion nominations [1], but WP:FICTION has not been a guideline since July. As of October 19, 2008, this user was saying "Fails notability for fiction" [2] in deletion nominations, but Wikipedia does not currently have a notability guideline for fiction. Only 18% of the articles this user nominates for deletion end up being deleted.[3] Nominations like this are simply embarassing. If this user can't take the time to read WP:ATD or WP:BEFORE, how does anyone expect this user to read WP:DGFA? --Pixelface (talk) 09:56, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- This counting you did is completely unfair. If you check 11 out of 70 (~16%) articles which are marked as Kept are active now. 8 (11,43%) that were recreated, at most cases were recreated with completely different subject (example [4]), 13 are now redirects, 1 is about to be merged and then redirected (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ginyuu Meika, 7 which kept, were nominated together and kept wit no consensus since there was no list of characters article to host them. The rest are articles I nominated because they were tagged for notability for 13 months and have nothing to do with fiction. -- Magioladitis (talk)
- Oppose
subject to possible change depending on the answer to Q12 above, all the more so because of the evasive answer to Q 12 above. DGG (talk) 21:10, 22 October 2008 (UTC) . Looking at AfDs placed just during this discussion, I see he nominates on the basis of having no citations to prove notability, without making any demonstrated attempt to find them, not realising that the requirement is verifiable, not verified. Just above, in his answer to several editors, he confirms that, saying that for an article to have been tagged for notability and not improved for 13 months is grounds for deletion. That's nonsense, of course, it's grounds for examination and looking for sources, and then, if not found, nominating for deletion. I suppose the candidate will be confirmed. I do not dislike him, and I would never oppose just for being a deletionist, or having a different opinion about fiction. I doubt everyone saying keep above has actually examined his record at AfD. I hope he learns more about deletion policy before he starts closing AfDs, or there will be a good deal of activity at deletion review, and not just about fiction. I now regret having waited so long to comment, but I hoped to not have to oppose. DGG (talk) 16:14, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]- additional current AfD, to show that the problem in judging deletion is still present: the nomination for [5], giving as one reason for deletion "orphan" -- a matter easily enugh solved by putting in a link. Other reasons there may be for deletion, but that is not one of them. DGG (talk) 03:23, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose I do not trust this user to close AFDs in a competent manner. Constant, very brief deletion votes that carry zero weight, exampes of "It's listcraft", "fails notability", "speedy delete". Way too many "per WP:FICTION"s, as well. Even some of the longer votes are still weightless, as it's just policies written as a sentence to make it look like a 'real' opinion. "Delete. It is unencyclopedic, unreferenced (thus maybe inaccurate). Wikipedia is not a directory." --Translation: "Delete. WP:UNENCYC, WP:VAGUEWAVE, WP:VAGUEWAVE" The whole mindset for even nominating articles for deletion is also completely out of whack, as DGG demonstrates. It's just way too much of a risk for you to have the tools right now. SashaNein (talk) 18:15, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lansing Family, nominated by the candidate on the 18th, asserts that the user is still far too inexperienced to be given the authority to delete articles. SashaNein (talk) 04:36, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Sasha, your argument might have more merit if you did something other than link to the same essay 5 or 6 times---and on all but one occasion to the same section. Links showing what you allege carry more weight---instead, you gave one link that is almost a year old and another one that, IMHO, doesn't show a clear and obvious problem. Even if the one did, one instance is not enough to convince me there is a problem. Now if you could substantiate some of your claims...---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 07:16, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Here's a sample from September 1st - October 1X of votes by the user that I consider completely unhelpful.
- [6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22][23][24]
- There were a few AFDs the candidate nominated in the past two weeks that he had to withdraw because he did not even do a simple google search to look for references. I have issues with users that rush into nominating AFDs without at least doing a moment of research to make sure the article doesn't just need cleanup, which AFD is certainly not the place to ask for that.[25][26]
- There were a few other votes that had (somewhat) valid rationales, but then threw in irrelevant padding like "the article is an orphan" and "This is listcraft".
- It is likely that this RFA will still pass, despite the candidate asserting that he will have poor judgment on the closure of AFDs.
- I'm just looking for a responsible administrator, not one that's possibly on a mission to destroy all perceived 'cruft' on an imaginary battleground. There is the chance he will not do this, but the erratic copy and paste cookie cutter voting and nominating on many fictional subject articles for deletion tell me otherwise. SashaNein (talk) 13:15, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks, I'll take a look at these this evening. Links to the differences have more meaning than links to the policy/guideline. Most of us are familiar with the policy/guideline or know how to find it. Links to the policy simply show that it exists, Having links that support the concern validate that it is a concern.---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 14:20, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Sasha, your argument might have more merit if you did something other than link to the same essay 5 or 6 times---and on all but one occasion to the same section. Links showing what you allege carry more weight---instead, you gave one link that is almost a year old and another one that, IMHO, doesn't show a clear and obvious problem. Even if the one did, one instance is not enough to convince me there is a problem. Now if you could substantiate some of your claims...---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 07:16, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lansing Family, nominated by the candidate on the 18th, asserts that the user is still far too inexperienced to be given the authority to delete articles. SashaNein (talk) 04:36, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Soft oppose per all the above re: AfD closure, in particular DGG's comment about the answer to Q12. Give it another 3 months, maybe. ╟─TreasuryTag►contribs─╢ 10:47, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Regretful Oppose per statements in response to DGG and questions 12, above. Bearian (talk) 19:20, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- 'oppose per concern over AfD. I've supported editors who are highly deletionist in the past but I see no evidence that Magio's deletionism is well-thought or that it will be reasonably laid aside when judging community consensus. This person is simply not someone I would trust with the delete button at this time. JoshuaZ (talk) 01:43, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral
Neutral — Answers to questions seem very short, immediately makes me wary. But I have absolutely no reason not to support, I just want to see some other answers to 'optional' questions first.Switch to support —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 21:50, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]- Let his contribs speak for themselves. Erik the Red 2 ~~~~ 20:08, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Don't patronise me, please. I have reviewed his contributions, they're good. I simply want to view some answers to more questions first. Thanks. —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 20:27, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm sorry if you felt patronized. I didn't intend to insult you at all. Erik the Red 2 ~~~~ 20:55, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Not a problem, I just didn't really need a link to find the user's contributions, nor do I need the reminder. Kind regards, —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 21:12, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm sorry if you felt patronized. I didn't intend to insult you at all. Erik the Red 2 ~~~~ 20:55, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Don't patronise me, please. I have reviewed his contributions, they're good. I simply want to view some answers to more questions first. Thanks. —Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 20:27, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Let his contribs speak for themselves. Erik the Red 2 ~~~~ 20:08, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral Regretfully I can't support based on answers to questions. Firstly the answer to Q1 is not very satisfying. Secondly the answer to Q3 does not really provide evidence of being able to solve conflicts. Furthermore the answers to Q4 and Q6 indicate that the user does not have sufficient policy knowledge. All in all it's not enough to support. Sorry. —αἰτίας •discussion• 21:00, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I added some more information in Q3 hoping that this helps. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:05, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral, leaning towards support: Would make a fine admin one day, but the answer to question 4 makes me slightly uneasy. Definitely not worthy of an oppose, but I'm not ready to support. Dendodge|TalkContribs 11:07, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral I'd like to support as I think the user is generally a good candidate who would not abuse the tools. Unfortunately the answer to question 4 leaves me with some concerns over their knowledge of policy in an area where I think it is likely that they may work. Guest9999 (talk) 22:27, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral - Seems like a good contributor, I'm a little wary over Q4 though. — neuro(talk) 22:43, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Of course, according to policy, a page tagged with for speedy deletion and a hangon tag may still be deleted. When I tried to say is that I would be more careful when a hangon tags was there. I would not only rely on the reason given but I would like to contact the person who added the tag. Some people are not making do use of the tag. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:50, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral I have concerns about his reliance on tools that are bringing people to his talk page because of issues with the tools and/or his execution with the tools. Tools also make it difficult to see how he would respond... and unfortunately, the answers to some of the questions were a little weak. In this case, it's not enough to make me oppose, but I can't support at this time.---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 00:06, 19 October 2008 (UTC)EDIT: Leaning Oppose per some of the opposes above... won't change without first confirming myself.---Balloonman PoppaBalloon 01:47, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral I finally unraveled the July threads with Badagnani and MarnetteD enough to see that you _were_ trying to apply the policy correctly. But you should not forget people may need more explanation/description to understand what you, or rather your bot, is doing. We've had problems with minimal explanations from bot owners before. Hesitation in stopping a bot or explaining it further is what is stopping me now. I could be enthused with your interactions in June regarding the talk-page-of-redirect-blank-except-for-project-template issue. You got people's attention and a good resolution at MFD. Problem-> talk-> resolution - that's the right way. Shenme (talk) 06:47, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral for now. Seems like an excellent contributor for the most part, and I suspect giving Magioladitis the tools will be a net benefit. Despite all this, the answer to question 4 is very concerning. Guest9999 said it all. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 17:53, 19 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Neutral Past interactions brushing with 3RR and questionable bot activities, iffy communication skills, and some worrying concerns over strength of deletionism per DGG. I revisit RfAs often, and may change my stance here. GlassCobra 11:31, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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