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Hello Winged Blades of Godric: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, Walk Like an Egyptian (talk) 07:12, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

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Request

I think you understand basic Nepali language, please Google "प्रमोद खरेल" you will find reliable sources (all front line media in Nepal). Please don't oppose the request in reduction of protection level. Thanks --Binod Basnet (talk) 09:58, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi WBG! I have submitted the draft Draft:Pramod Kharel 2. All the citations are reliable. For the information --Binod Basnet (talk) 14:26, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Binod Basnet, that I'm active elsewhere does not mean that I'm bound to provide you an instant reply; unless I'm being held accountable for any of my actions. So, don't be childish and remove posts after a few hours.

I've seen the draft and will pass it after some copy-edits and culling of sources. ∯WBG^converse 19:57, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Sorry for any mistakes. --Binod Basnet (talk) 20:09, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

I created Pramod Kharel directly in mainspace. Please review the article. Thanks --Binod Basnet (talk) 05:33, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

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Hope the new year will bring more friendly debates for us. --DBigXrayᗙ 15:16, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

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@Jo-Jo Eumerus:-Dispatching the entire bunch soon......∯WBG^converse 10:58, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

@Jo-Jo Eumerus:-- Done ∯WBG^converse 12:23, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Got most of them, thanks! Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 13:37, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

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Czechia moratorium

Hello, I would like to ask you, as on main article Czech Republic is in effect name moratorium until July 2019, doesn't that apply also on country data templates as CZE, CZ which are being changed over the Wikipedia templates now, like Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Flag Template? Thank you, --ThecentreCZ (talk) 01:04, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

ThecentreCZ, not a bright-line case and I need to dwell a bit on this locus. ∯WBG^converse 05:48, 1 January 2019 (UTC)

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Well

...I'm not seeing the blatant errors Ammarpad is accused of making. Are you? Modernpaper co. appeared to be handled properly. I don't see anything about a bong using/weed smoking species of animal that eats pizza. My interactions with Ammarpad have been normal reviewing. Are you seeing something I'm not? ^{Atsme✍🏻📧} 04:06, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Atsme, Greetings of the new year:-)

If I am going to indulge in excessive nit-picking about Modernpaper co. (which Ritchie333 has now draftified); the timeline of major events goes as:-

• Ammarpad slaps an A3 tag, 3 minutes after the article-creation.

• Probably, the textbook definition of WP:BITE.

• 5 minutes after the tagging; the author adds some quasi-spam-content and A3 was thus, void. He subsequently draftified the article, which though weird (given the state of the article), was probably per the request of the author on the article-t/p.

• I don't see any fault; over the draftification. AGF, IAR and all that......

• Soon afterwards, more spam was added and Ammarpad responded by slapping a G11, which was.

• Pretty accurate.

• Thereafter, it's primarily a contest between the author on one side and Ammarpad/GMG on the other side to keep the CSD-tags on the page; before it ultimately got deleted.

• Again, nothing wrong, IMO.

To conclude, I don't get K's rationale (about not recognizing it as spam) and if I am compelled to oppose, using Modernpaper.co as the only locus, the first point concerning WP:BITE is miles better.

As to the other case concerning Ammarpad's dealing with weed smoking species of animal that eats pizza; I have no idea until some good samaritan chooses to un-delete it or provide the broader context. ∯WBG^converse 06:24, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Agree with you about bitey...but, look what just happened to me over Naman Ambavi and the confusion over the Draft:Naman Ambavi. Talk about a time sink for 3 or 4 different reviewers! I think the confusion began when the sock/creator tried to bypass the AfC declines and moved the article to mainspace himself - tried to get it out there as far back as 2013 - so I question the newbie concerns that were shown him considering his webmaster skills (plus the fact he never responded to any of our posts on his TP). Admins forgave his sock activity (when he deleted our CSDs) - they considered it a new user simply not logging in even though the evidence strongly supported socking and defiance to get his promo bio published. I think we also need to consider that our volunteers deserve at least equally as much consideration as we're giving newbies. Wish it was easier to find a middle button instead of full-speed ahead, or slower than a slug. ^{Atsme✍🏻📧} 17:22, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Atsme, entirely agree about the last point.

As to this specific case; the creator was lucky enough to have come across quite-considerate sysops. Any other day, he would have been blocked. FWIW, see this edit of mine which would have prevented you-folks from being gamed into launching AFDs. ∯WBG^converse 10:39, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Naturopathy

I put the POV tag on this article because it is the most biased article I have ever seen. It states opinions as a matter of fact. The NPOV approach would be to describe the subject and what it purports to do, then describe the arguments for and against, with refs. The article doesn't do this. It expresses a point of view as if it is an indisputable fact. The bias is right there in the opening sentences of the intro, where it says "pseudoscientific", without providing even the pretence of a ref.

Sardaka (talk) 08:54, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Don't you know a biased article when you see it? Or are you one of the gatekeepers who look after this article and make sure it stays the way it is, which is biased?

Sardaka (talk) 09:12, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Sardaka, I don't give a damn about your perceptions of bias in the article. If you wish to reinstate the tag/edits, you need to gain a consensus. See our dispute resolution ladder.

You might wish to note that Lead typically does not require citations because it's (sort of) a summary of the body; wherein all the stuff are rigorously cited.

Naturopathy is pseudoscience and there's not a whiff of doubt about it. Wikipedia is not a place where everyone's opinion is of equal validity and the only opinions that matter are of reliable sources. If the sources of the latter kind paint a subject as pseudoscience/BS; we go with that. As Jimbo sed, the work of lunatic charlatans is not the equivalent of 'true scientific discourse'. And we, as an encyclopedia will reflect the mainstream scientific discourse in our articles.

Coming to your editorial behavior, you are not only flouting a host of policies (including but not limited to WP:FALSEBALANCE, WP:PSCI and WP:FRINGE) but also indulging in intentional gaming of the system (3RR is not an entitlement) in an area governed by 2 discretionary sanctions, as notified on your t/p. When compounded with your IDHT behaviour and an indulgence in casting blatant personal attacks on opposing editors; your editorial future looks quite bleak in this area.

Move away or I will ask for a TBan at AE. ∯WBG^converse 10:14, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

My last word: consensus means little when it's a consensus of the biased, which it is in this case. At WP, you occasionally find an article that is "looked after" by a cabal of editors who stop others from changing it. One user called them "gatekeepers", which is a good way of putting it. The naturopathy article is just one example. Therefore, I won't waste my time working on it anymore, because I can see I'm beating my head against a brick wall. Have a nice day. Sardaka (talk) 11:11, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Re: Moving CreditMantri to draft status

Hi, We are part of them Brand team at CreditMantri and recently saw that the page was moved to draft status on 25th Nov.(https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:CreditMantri) As you may be aware, CreditMantri is a consumer facing company and offer products and services PAN India. Current and prospective customers search about us to get more information and hence the Wiki page is a great verified resource for the same.

Kindly let us know if we can help clarify concerns if any so that the page can be re-instated?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CreditMantri

Thank you and looking forward to your response.CHtohCW (talk) 09:42, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Replying soon. ∯WBG^converse 12:23, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks for your prompt response. We were wondering if you could also suggest a way we could reinstate this article at the earliest. As you may know, Wikipedia is a great way for a brand to establish its reputation, and we want to adhere to Wikipedia's guidelines to have a presence of our brand on this platform. Do let us know if there is any change required from our end. We'll rectify the draft at the earliest to have it reinstated. Thanks again. CHtohCW (talk) 14:08, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Hi, We were wondering if you had the chance to view our draft page. It would be really helpful for us if you could look into our request, as we want to resolve it as soon as possible. Please let us know the process we could apply to move our page back, and if you could also tell us the specific issues with our article that led its moving to drafts, we would ensure those issues are never repeated again. Thanks. CHtohCW (talk) 12:16, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Clarify

This [1] was an attempt to remove your post and just walk away from this stinking pile of poo. As it happens, you snuck in an edit right before my attempt to remove, so I ended up undoing your edit, which was not my intention. Sorry about that. Jehochman ^Talk 18:03, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Jehochman, no qualms and certainly nothing to apologize for:-) Cheers! ∯WBG^converse 18:48, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

@Jehochman:-YGM ∯WBG^converse 19:45, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Relists

Just a couple of observations since I just fixed your relist at Talk:Assassination of Jamal Khashoggi. First, you added the Relisting template BEFORE the nominators signature, which the bot could not recognize. Please be sure to place the Relisting template AFTER the nominator's sig. Second, you relisted the debate after only six days. We should wait until an RM debate is at least seven days old before we relist it. Thank you for your contributions and Happy New Year! Paine Ellsworth, ed.  ^put'r there  23:00, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

Weird; somehow my scripts were displaying it to have been opened prior to 7 days. Placing the template before the sig was a silly error on my part. Thanks for informing me and have a great year:-) ∯WBG^converse 05:27, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, sometimes scripts do weird things. Wouldn't hurt to double check them for awhile. And Happy New Year to you and yours! Paine Ellsworth, ed.  ^put'r there  09:34, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

India FAR

Hi WBG, can you either change the indentation of your comment at WP:FAR#India, or change the word you in: "Can you list out all the changes that you &..." as I'm quite sure that you here doesn't mean Mathglot, as the indentation might lead others to infer. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 09:37, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

 Done ∯WBG^converse 10:14, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Murray Howe

Hey, I noticed you had added "Do NOT unmark, without notifying me." to Draft:Murray Howe and I think maybe you weren't. So just giving a headsup, it was unmarked as under review and is still pending. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 15:20, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

KylieTastic, this has an OTRS connection and we were conversing over there. Are you over OTRS? FWIW, it's a good decline with suboptimal reasons. I will copy-paste my comments from OTRS; soon.

@Jovanmilic97:, I expect you to notify the reviewer; if you are unmarking stuff in future. ∯WBG^converse 10:21, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

No I've not been involved on the OTRS side of things, as long as your aware alls good. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 23:06, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Systematic violations of active community sanctions by Smallbones

Hi, and best wishes to the year 2019. I want to inform you about the discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Systematic violations of active community sanctions by Smallbones. Ladislav Mecir (talk) 11:09, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Seen. No interest. ∯WBG^converse 10:26, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

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OMICS

Per OMICS Publishing Group, numerous discussions and the fact that OMICS staff are banned for spamming, I typically remove OMICS journal citations, along with predatory open access and other known compromised sources. Guy (Help!) 13:31, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Bengal Famine 1943

• Saw your comments. Putting it in WP:PR for two months. You don't hafta commet if you don't want to. Lingzhi2 ♦ (talk) 02:05, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

You've finally settled on an account? Goodness. ∯WBG^converse 08:05, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

A email I sent.....

Hello, Winged Blades of Godric. Please check your email; you've got mail!
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Seeing; I was inactive for a few days.∯WBG^converse 08:03, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#RfC:_The_Sun

Another 48 Hrs.? --GRuban (talk) 15:53, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Or 127 hours? FOARP (talk)

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BGR-34

The wonderful throw away SNU

Can you write a closing statement, as we have no idea what the decision is regarding The Sun RFC at RSN?Slatersteven (talk) 14:24, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Apologies, I got caught in some hectic RL stuff:( Have closed it, yesterday. At any case, what's SNU? ∯WBG^converse 07:56, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Rajendralal Mitra

Wikipedians by philosophy

Hi Winged Blades of Godric

I see that you closed Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_December_15#Wikipedians_by_philosophy.

Per WP:BADNAC#2, you should not have done so. The discussion centred on the rejection by some involved editors of a long-established gudieline, and was bound to be controversial. Your closure gave no indication of any attempt to evaluate the discussion against policy or guideline, and such appears to be a headcount.

Please revert your closure, restore the CFD tags, and leave to an experienced admin to weigh the discussion. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:02, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

BrownHairedGirl, read Inter&Anthro's !vote and you are seeking a solution in search of a problem.

But, that you seem to have got into a recent obsession with cats; I will reopen this. So, kindly waste some more time. ∯WBG^converse 10:13, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

And given the amount of users, it affects, kindly put that over CENT. ∯WBG^converse 10:18, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) More time to bludgeon the discussion, anyhow. ——SerialNumber54129 10:46, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

What a pity. I made a civil request for your to revert an action which seemed to me not to accord with policy. I did not suggest or imply an bad faith, but you have chosne to respond with both a personal attack and a statement you prefer the !vote one of one particular user.

Since you clarify above that your intention was in fact to align yourself with one editor instead of weighing against Wikipedia policy the many arguments made on both sides, you most certainly should have added your own comment(s) to the discussion rather than casting what now appears to have been a supervote. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:59, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

BrownHairedGirl, thanks for your note, follow SN's sage advice. ∯WBG^converse 11:05, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Congrats. You are making a truly excellent case for why you should not have closed the discussion. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:24, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

BrownHairedGirl, noting this for posterity. At any case, I've listed the CFD over CENT and it has attracted new voices. Best, ∯WBG^converse 07:18, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

AN

Dealt via off-wiki channels.∯WBGconverse 07:13, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Hey, I’ve suppressed the content you added to AN because we typically don’t allow that linking on-wiki even if there are real name accounts, but if you would email me it, I’d really appreciate it. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:28, 20 January 2019 (UTC) TonyBallioni, thanks for the note but you're wrong. Please cite the policy that authorizes removal of a highly-relevant link about a person, who has already outed himself. (Also, see the WMF blog post about Aouda) Otherwise, please reverse yourself. And, the same link has been posted by Bonadea, in the same thread, hours ago. So, now go, redact it and create a mess of the history. ∯WBGconverse 16:45, 20 January 2019 (UTC) And given that you have already seen my entire comment (including the link), I don't have an idea about why you would want that emailed again.∯WBGconverse 16:48, 20 January 2019 (UTC) No, I had not seen the previous link by bonadea at AN, thank you for making me aware of it. The policy is WP:OUTING. We don't allow identifying specific contributors with specific off-site profiles, especially on as highly a trafficked board as AN. A profile on a job-posting site is "other contact information" and since it was specifically linked to one contributor, when I got the ping, it pretty clearly looked like outing and Suppression is a tool of first resort in removing this information, which means that our practice is to suppress the content first and then reverse if it turns out not to be necessary later. I asked two other oversighters to review the link (@Primefac and Amorymeltzer:), and they agreed that under normal circumstances it would constitute outing. We then found that the link had previously been cited in a 2011 AfD, and he had replied, which was not apparent at the time of your ping. I'm reversing myself because the information is already available on-wiki from 8 years ago and while it would have been able to be suppressed then, it's out of the bag now. This wasn't apparent when you first made your comment, which is why it was suppressed. Re: why I wanted it emailed: I was going to forward it along to Trust & Safety and some ar.wiki functionaries I know. I assumed you may have known more of the context and would be able to provide it, which would have been helpful to forward. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:21, 20 January 2019 (UTC) TonyBallioni, seeing this after I have already typed out and send an email:-) ∯WBGconverse 17:29, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Hey!

Continuing discussion here, since it's not in the scope of the AfD itself. Look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Association of Court Reporters and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Radio Justice, from an admin no less. I promise I will take your suggestion and act by it, but it will happen by someone else. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 18:06, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

• UPDATE: I did some digging and also found an even more recent case where another admin relisted an AfD discussion THE 2nd time despite the fact no-one was participating at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Watch Out (Dirtyphonics and Bassnectar song), or this Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Girls' Frontline where not only was relisted twice but THREE times without any pariticpants by 2 different admins from all the cases I have mentioned. This one should have been closed as Delete but will now be closed as No Consensus because of that. So in count to these examples I found 4 different admins doing the same thing as I did. Just to prove why I did what I did. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 20:19, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

  Jovanmilic97, thanks, I will reach out:-) ∯WBG^converse 07:12, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-04

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Tech News

• Some people did not get last week's issue of Tech News. This was because of a problem with MassMessage. If you did not get last week's issue, you can read it on Meta. [13]

Recent changes

• The content translation tool can now use version 2 as the default version for users who turned on the beta feature. For example it adds the tracking category Pages with unreviewed translations to translations that might have used machine translations without fixing the problems. This is so others can find them. You can find this category in Special:TrackingCategories on Wikipedias.
• https://mediawiki2latex-large.wmflabs.org can now convert collects of up to 800 pages to PDF, EPUB or ODT. Previously this was 200 pages.

Problems

• When a template was edited with the visual editor, it would sometimes put all information on one line. This makes it difficult to read for editors who use the wikitext editor. It also makes it more difficult to see what happened in a diff. This problem affected edits made between 8 and 17 January and is now fixed. [14]
• MassMessage is used to post a message to many pages. It has not been working reliably. Some messages have not been posted to everyone. [15][16]
• Because of a database problem that had to be fixed immediately you could not edit most wikis for a couple of minutes on 17 January (UTC). This has now been fixed. [17]

Changes later this week

• You will be able to use template styles in the Module namespace. [18]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 22 January. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 23 January. It will be on all wikis from 24 January (calendar).

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Fixing mistaken overwrite at India deletion discussions

Dear Winged Blades of Godric, I just happened to check the India deletion discussions page and I found that one deletion discussion had overwritten some of the previous ones. The edit in question is [19]. I reverted this [20], which restored the original content but this also had the side effect of removing your discussion. I am not sure how to format and add back the content you pasted. Could you please take a look at this and help fix it? Otherwise, I think your discussion might be lost. My apologies for the inconvenience.--DreamLinker (talk) 02:22, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Ramblersen2

Sorry to be bothering you with this again but I consulted you on my User:Ramblersen password problems at User talk:89.23.235.183. I have now solved the problem by creating the new account User:Ramblersen2 but I now have to pass those annoying "letter recognition"-tests again and again and have to await the attention of a reviewer be able to create new articles. Would it be possible to get my autoreviewer status back or whatever it will take for me not to encounter these problems. Then I can start contributing to [[Wikipedia:The 2500 Challenge (Nordic)[[ initiative again, it has gone a little dead as of lately.Ramblersen2 (talk) 12:19, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-05

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Recent changes

• The Wikimedia servers use HHVM to run the PHP code. They are going to use PHP7 and stop using HHVM. You can test PHP7 with a new beta feature. That way you can help find and report problems.

Problems

• When someone moves a page to a name that already exists that page that had the name the article is moved to is deleted. For a couple of months this didn't always work. Some users saw an error message instead. This has now been fixed. [21]

Changes later this week

• There is no new MediaWiki version this week.

Meetings

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18:15, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

The reply-link newsletter, issue 1

Hi! Welcome to the new reply-link newsletter, which I made because the ol' list on the reply-link talk page was unwieldy. In case you haven't been following development recently, I've sent out some new updates that should let it reply basically anywhere, even in transcluded pages or under hatted discussions (two locations people have been wanting for a while). Reliability has also gone way up, as I've implemented a couple of sanity checks that help prevent the script from responding to the wrong message. Unfortunately, that means the script fails a bit more often. Anyway, try it out if you haven't done so in a while, and let me know what you think! I always appreciate feature requests or bug reports on the talk page. Happy replying! (Signup list/Unsubscribe) MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:23, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

The Signpost: 31 January 2019

• Op-Ed: Random Rewards Rejected

• In focus: The Collective Consciousness of Admin Userpages

• News and notes: WMF staff turntable continues to spin; Endowment gets more cash; RfA continues to be a pit of steely knives

• In the media: The Signpost's investigative story recognized, Wikipedia turns 18 and gets a birthday gift from Google, and more editors are recognized

• Discussion report: The future of the reference desk

• Featured content: Don't miss your great opportunity

• Arbitration report: An admin under the microscope

• Traffic report: Death, royals and superheroes: Avengers, Black Panther

• Technology report: When broken is easily fixed

• Gallery: Let us build a memorial fit for such pain and suffering

• News from the WMF: News from WMF

• Recent research: Ad revenue from reused Wikipedia articles; are Wikipedia researchers asking the right questions?

• Essay: How

• Humour: Village pump

• From the archives: An editorial board that includes you

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Facto Post – Issue 20 – 31 January 2019

Facto Post – Issue 20 – 31 January 2019 The Editor is Charles Matthews, for ContentMine. Please leave feedback for him, on his User talk page. To subscribe to Facto Post go to Wikipedia:Facto Post mailing list. For the ways to unsubscribe, see the footer. Back numbers are here. Everything flows (and certainly data does) Recently Jimmy Wales has made the point that computer home assistants take much of their data from Wikipedia, one way or another. So as well as getting Spotify to play Frosty the Snowman for you, they may be able to answer the question "is the Pope Catholic?" Possibly by asking for disambiguation (Coptic?). Amazon Echo device using the Amazon Alexa service in voice search showdown with the Google rival on an Android phone Headlines about data breaches are now familiar, but the unannounced circulation of information raises other issues. One of those is Gresham's law stated as "bad data drives out good". Wikipedia and now Wikidata have been criticised on related grounds: what if their content, unattributed, is taken to have a higher standing than Wikimedians themselves would grant it? See Wikiquote on a misattribution to Bismarck for the usual quip about "law and sausages", and why one shouldn't watch them in the making. Wikipedia has now turned 18, so should act like as adult, as well as being treated like one. The Web itself turns 30 some time between March and November this year, per Tim Berners-Lee. If the Knowledge Graph by Google exemplifies Heraclitean Web technology gaining authority, contra GIGO, Wikimedians still have a role in its critique. But not just with the teenage skill of detecting phoniness. There is more to beating Gresham than exposing the factoid and urban myth, where WP:V does do a great job. Placeholders must be detected, and working with Wikidata is a good way to understand how having one statement as data can blind us to replacing it by a more accurate one. An example that is important to open access is that, firstly, the term itself needs considerable unpacking, because just being able to read material online is a poor relation of "open"; and secondly, trying to get Creative Commons license information into Wikidata shows up issues with classes of license (such as CC-BY) standing for the actual license in major repositories. Detailed investigation shows that "everything flows" exacerbates the issue. But Wikidata can solve it. Links Wikipedia:Wikipedia Day for 18th birthday celebrations WMUK video page, with "fake news", Jimmy Wales, Wikidata and more (health warning for those with tune allergy) Why Wikipedia’s Medical Content Is Superior, Stephen Harrison, 28 January 2019, Slate Olivia Colman reveals struggle with Wikipedia over age, Naomi Gordon, 28 January 2019, harpersbazaar.com Making Wikidata visible, Martin Poulter blogpost, 24 January 2019, Bodleian Digital Library Inventory, Magnus Manske blogpost, 24 January 2019, on Wikidata tech support for an image donation by Cleveland Museum of Art If you wish to receive no further issues of Facto Post, please remove your name from our mailing list. Alternatively, to opt out of all massmessage mailings, you may add Category:Wikipedians who opt out of message delivery to your user talk page. Newsletter delivered by MediaWiki message delivery

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Template:Did you know nominations/BGR-34

Winged Blades of Godric, it's been over three weeks since you were going to come up with a new hook for your nomination. Please try to get to this soon. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:56, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

BlueMoonset, sorry. I will look within 12 hours. ∯WBG^converse 14:37, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

It's been another five days without, and another editor has pinged the nomination as stale. I hope you do something with this soon, before it's marked for closure. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:20, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Your comments

Where does it say I read Wikipediocrqcy? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:57, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Kudpung, AFAIS, the report (which credits you as the sole author) states:-

GorillaWarfare, an arbitrator on the English Wikipedia, appears to be best informed, and explains in one of her posts on Wikipediocracy: "..............."

The edit-history of the page also has a diff where you had explicitly included a Wikipediocracy thread; which discussed James' case.

About 3 years back, you were mentioning Wikipediocracy as some place, where you had never been to and was not likely to go either. Furthermore, you've also never felt the need to follow blogs or that vile place they call Wikipediocracy. In your bid for being an arbitrator you described it as a site where people hide behind the anonymity afforded by Internet traditions to say terrible things about other people with impunity and even went on to advice others to avoid frequenting sites which exist to disparage Wikipedia editors and are known to harbour the bad, very bad hand of some good hand Wikipedians.

6 months back, you were asking others to ignore and deny that (notorious) site's existence (which was used for) sheer downright bloody-mindedness. You further wrote If one has to evoke Wikipedia hate sites where trolls, blocked and banned users abound, and users with a Guinness record block log..................

Given, all these there was a definite element of surprise to discover you (of all people) to refer to information, posted over there. Anyways, as they say, there's a first time for every act:-)

At any case, I sincerely hope that no editor gets tempted to visit the site, after reading your Signpost article and somehow gets sucked into the unholy vortex. Cheers! ∯WBG^converse 12:24, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) FYI, WBG, we editors at The Signpost do receive tips via email, so for this reason alone it is not logical to conclude that knowledge of an off-wiki writing means one has personally visited that site. I can personally attest that op-eds (not necessarily by me or K, preserving confidentiality) have contained content received via tips. ☆ Bri (talk) 15:18, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

I have never said that K has written the stuff only as a result of the post over the BADSITE or was led from there. What I've stated is that he has surely read over the stuff, however he might have been led and then proceeded to mention it; which is quite surprising given his extreme long-standing antipathy against the site and even visiting it.

Bri, if your above statement means that receiving a tip stating $ABC$ had stated $Blah...Blah....Blah....$ over $XYZ$ will lead to yours' writing the stuff without any vetting (or inspecting the background); that only points out the dubiousness and non-credibility of your journalism (which I hope isn't the case).∯WBG^converse 15:41, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

• If you believe that everything that gets mentioned is first discussed openly on Wikipedia, then you are very much mistaken. (Even Bri and I discuss The Signpost over an official but non-public email list). I've been around for a relatively long time on Wikipedia, and met literally dozens of editors personally. All journalists have their sources, on top of that I also have a pretty good insight into what goes on behind the scenes. There are people I trust implicitly on Wikipedia (even, believe it or not, in the WMF) some of whom are extremely good friends, but not those who deliberately monitor the action and frequent the drama boards in the hope of tripping people up. That is not AGF. Sooner or later they will fall on their own swords. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:02, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Rajendralal Mitra

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Rajendralal Mitra you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of L293D -- L293D (talk) 03:01, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Not Adams bridge

The RAMSETU that many people are calling Adams bridge is wrong...Ramsetu was constructed by hindu deity Lord Ram....And this thing is accepted in both countries (India and Srilanka)...so please change it... I respect every religion but Adam has nothing to do with it.... Master7511 (talk) 16:09, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Master7511, we, at en-wiki, are concerned about which of the two synonymous terms are used to a greater extent by the English-language-sources. And, that comes out to be Adam's Bridge.

Also, current archaeological evidence asserts it to be a natural feature.∯WBG^converse 16:58, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK review

hi there, are you still reviewing the DYK, if not can you please self revert and allow another reviewer to take this up. I would hate to see this linger on till it gets stale. --DBigXrayᗙ 12:57, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK; not ITN:-) I will probably pass by today late-night (ITC).∯WBG^converse 14:32, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes, The author mentioned on his talk page that he had tried for a ITN, but for whatever reasons had to withdraw it. So lets try for a faster DYK if that is possible.--DBigXrayᗙ 06:27, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – February 2019

News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2019).

Administrator changes

Enterprisey • JJMC89

BorgQueen

Harro5 • Jenks24 • Graft • R. Baley

Interface administrator changes

Enterprisey

Guideline and policy news

• A request for comment is currently open to reevaluate the activity requirements for administrators.
• Administrators who are blocked have the technical ability to block the administrator who blocked their own account. A recent request for comment has amended the blocking policy to clarify that this ability should only be used in exceptional circumstances, such as account compromises, where there is a clear and immediate need.
• A request for comment closed with a consensus in favor of deprecating The Sun as a permissible reference, and creating an edit filter to warn users who attempt to cite it.

Technical news

• A discussion regarding an overhaul of the format and appearance of Wikipedia:Requests for page protection is in progress (permalink). The proposed changes will make it easier to create requests for those who are not using Twinkle. The workflow for administrators at this venue will largely be unchanged. Additionally, there are plans to archive requests similar to how it is done at WP:PERM, where historical records are kept so that prior requests can more easily be searched for.

Miscellaneous

• Voting in the 2019 Steward elections will begin on 08 February 2019, 14:00 (UTC) and end on 28 February 2019, 13:59 (UTC). The confirmation process of current stewards is being held in parallel. You can automatically check your eligibility to vote.
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Deletion of a User-Page

Hey! Thanks for deleting the Medhavigandhi/HappyHands user page : I had created it when I was quite new to Wikipedia and unaware of how it worked. By the time I learnt, I had forgotten the password to that account (or its existence)! So thanks much! Medhavigandhi (talk) 07:19, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

No qualms:-) Keep your editathons coming! ∯WBG^converse 17:31, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-06

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week

• It was easy to untick a box by accident in Special:Preferences. This will now be fixed. [22]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 5 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 6 February. It will be on all wikis from 7 February (calendar).

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17:12, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

To do

Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by nationality/India--∯WBG^converse 18:20, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Sooner or later

In your close of the 2014 MU69 move review,[23] didn't you mean "whichever is sooner" rather than "whichever is later"? — JFG ^talk 11:14, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Can you please confirm your stance? I fail to understand the logic of a "whichever is later" closure. Surely if this object gets an official IAU name soonish, we should not have to wait an arbitrary 6 months to discuss a title change again. Same thing if editors separately get consensus to clarify WP:NCASTRO in a way that would mandate a title change here before an official name is announced. — JFG ^talk 23:14, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

@JFG:-I apologize for the wording-error (what was I thinking?!) as well as for the gravely late reply; courtesy my missing out this thread. Amending in a moment.∯WBG^converse 07:51, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you

For helping out with Dice. I’ve been watching the article for 2 years and it’s quite possibly the most frustration I’ve experienced over such a relatively minor subject. The amount of repeating “We discussed this one of the last 5 times he took to Twitter over this article” was driving me mad. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:19, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

TonyBallioni, welcome; delved into the topic from Iri's t/p :-) ∯WBG^converse 14:29, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Shri Ram Murti Smarak College of Engineering and Technology

Hello, Winged Blades of Godric. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Shri Ram Murti Smarak College of Engineering and Technology".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. DannyS712 (talk) 08:23, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest

To answer your question: No. I'm semi-retired from the project, which I actually enjoyed at one time. Where is this coming from?--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 20:30, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Please keep conversations at a single thread (the reply ought have been posted over your t/p) and I do not like the outright rejection. What's your interest in creating (and editing) certain weapons (esp. gun) related articles? ∯WBG^converse 04:00, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Well, I have an interest in weapons, animals, classic cars, classic rock, Catholicism, the US Military and movies; so that was what I spent my time editing or in some cases creating. I was at one time the coordinator for the firearms project and worked on improving those articles as time allowed, so that was probably the bulk of my work on here. There are probably very few of those articles which I have not edited.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 04:28, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

You are intentionally stonewalling my queries. I asked where does your interest in weapons (and related territory) stemmed from and your conflicts (if any) in that part. territory. It was not a request to give a list of your interests. ∯WBG^converse 04:33, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

First of all, I have been editing here for 15 years and we are always supposed to assume good faith and you are accusing me of stonewalling you. I will assume you are not harassing me. Are you some kind of an Admin? Second of all...I got involved with weapons and martial arts at a very young age and became a US Marine at 17. I've been shooting guns, building guns, etc for over 3 decades. This is where my interest in weapons stems from. If you mean, do I have a conflict of interest with regard to paid editing, no I do not and why don't you talk to some of the administrators whom I have helped in that regard when I found a site soliciting editors to write articles on wikipedia in exchange for money. I apologize if my knowledge and use of weapons frightens you or if there is a slight language barrier.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 04:46, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the above post. In light of certain off-wiki evidence (which I can't disclose courtesy outing prohibitions), it's quite difficult to accept your statement of no conflict-of-interest at face-value but then we are bound to assume good faith. I though take the oppurtunity to remind you that PE is only a subset of COI, as documented over WP:COI. We likely won't meet again but let's see where this leads, if at all. Ta, ∯WBG^converse 04:53, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

WP:INCOTM

Hi, WP:INCOTM was a fine initiative, IMO, and again it could not be continued. Would you like to collaboratively to restart it? --Titodutta (talk) 21:07, 10 February 2019 (UTC) I mean of course I'll join. We need a group of 2-3 editors to restart the process, editors who are actively editing. If we want to start it for March, this might be a good time. --Titodutta (talk) 21:12, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

I will give a quasi-detailed reply on my plans. Give me a few hours:-)∯WBG^converse 11:19, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

RE

In regards to diff, Fae actually took this to AN/I (probably following a link in the AfD to an open AN/I discussion). Take a look at ANI archive (you need to open the collapsed box) - "This appears to be a deliberate attempt at doxxing or outing a Wikipedia contributor's off-wiki social media accounts. My understanding of policy is that this is strictly forbidden, and speculating about accounts on-wiki is normally considered harassment. Unless the editor has voluntarily chosen to connect these accounts on-wiki, not only is there nothing to do here, but this section should be revision deleted for privacy concerns. --Fæ (talk) 17:04, 4 February 2019 (UTC)". Icewhiz (talk) 09:30, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Noted and thanks. Will slightly amend the wording.∯WBG^converse 11:00, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

E

won't be able to look till I get home. Dlohcierekim (talk) 10:59, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

No issues. Hardly time-dependent.∯WBG^converse 11:01, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Chairs

Look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alan Sabrosky who was no-consensused (I disagree about this one) for having a named chair ("General of the Army Douglas MacArthur Chair of Research") at the US Army War College (or the associated Strategic Studies Institute - not sure which). IIRC this chair has the distinction of the recipient of the chair receiving an.... actual chair. Icewhiz (talk) 16:52, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-07

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• You can use the ambox CSS class to show page issues to mobile readers. When you use ambox there are classes you can use.

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 12 February. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 13 February. It will be on all wikis from 14 February (calendar).

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18:45, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Request for moving Draft:Vinci Da to main space

Hi, you moved the page Vinci Da to Draft:Vinci Da. I have added couple more references. The film has completed principal photography (I have added a reference in Bengali language stating the progress of shooting). Meets WP:NFF. Please move it to main space. Thanks! Regards, --Dwaipayan (talk) 20:07, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Talkback

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Growth team updates #5

Welcome to the fifth newsletter for the new Growth team!  

The Growth team's objective is to work on software changes that help retain new contributors in mid-size Wikimedia projects.

New projects for discussion

We began the "Personalized first day" project with the welcome survey so that we could gather information about what newcomers are trying to accomplish. The next step is to use that information to create experiences that help the newcomers accomplish their goal – actually personalizing their first day. We asked for community thoughts in the previous newsletter, and after discussing with community members and amongst our team, we are now planning two projects as next steps: "engagement emails" and "newcomer homepage".

• Engagement emails: this project was first discussed positively by community members here back in September 2018, and the team how has bandwidth to pursue it. The idea is that newcomers who leave the wiki don't get encouraged to return to the wiki and edit. We can engage them through emails that send them the specific information they need to be successful – such as contact from a mentor, the impact of their edits, or task recommendations. Please read over the project page, and comment on its discussion page with any ideas, questions, or concerns. Do you think this is a good idea? Where could we go wrong?
• Newcomer homepage: we developed the idea for this project after analyzing the data from the welcome survey and EditorJourney datasets. We saw that many newcomers seem to be looking for a place to get started – a place that collects their past work, options for future work, and ways to learn more. We can build this place, and it can connect to the engagement emails. The content of both could be guided by what newcomers say they need during their welcome survey, and contain things like contact from a mentor, impact of their edits, or task recommendations. Please read over the project page, and comment on its discussion page with any ideas, questions, or concerns. Do you think this is a good idea? Where could we go wrong?

Initial reports on newcomer activity

We have published initial reports on each of the team's first two projects. These reports give the basic numbers from each project, and there are many more questions we will continue to answer in future reports. We're excited about these initial findings. They have already helped us define and design parts of our future projects.

• Welcome survey: the initial report on welcome survey responses is available here. Some of the main findings:
  • Most users respond to the survey, giving it high response rates of 67% and 62% in Czech and Korean Wikipedias, respectively.
  • The survey does not cause newcomers to be less likely to edit.
  • The most common reason for creating an account in Korean Wikipedia is to read articles—not for editing—with 29% of Korean users giving that responses.
  • Large numbers of respondents said they are interested in being contacted to get help with editing: 36% in Czech and 53% in Korean.
• Understanding first day: the initial report on what newcomers do on their first day is available here. Some of the main findings:
  • Large numbers of users view help or policy pages on their first day: 42% in Czech and 28% in Korean.
  • Large numbers of users view their own User or User Talk page on their first day: 34% in Czech and 39% in Korean.
  • A majority of new users open an editor on their first day – but about a quarter of them do not go on to save an edit during that time.

Help panel deployment

The help panel was deployed in Czech and Korean Wikipedias on January 10. Over the past four weeks:

• About 400 newcomers in each wiki have seen the help panel button.
• About 20% of them open up the help panel.
• About 50% of those who open it up click on one of the links.
• About 5% of Czech users ask questions, and about 1% of Korean users ask questions.

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Nauroti Devi

Greetings. I assume there was some kind of Twinkle hiccup here, because the actual discussion page for your AfD nomination here was not created. Have a good day. --Finngall ^talk 17:10, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Mark Dice AfD

You've closed an AfD as speedy keep. I'd like to know which WP:SKCRIT you used for that. Two editors !voted to delete, which disqualifies the criteria 1 and 2. Thanks, wumbolo ^^^ 11:00, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) I'm surprised no-one invoked WP:IAR based on WP:NOTBURO, personally. ——SerialNumber54129 11:10, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Qwerty's !vote was in bad faith (check his contribs) and the other delete !voter was near-certainly socking . Moreover, that nomination with a dubious rationale was not going anywhere.

If you really believe that Dice is non-notable, feel free to put forward a good nom. ∯WBG^converse 11:20, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

By way of explanation

I forked out Reactions to the 2019 Pulwama attack from the 2019 Pulwama attack article, but I did not write it. I should have made that clear in the edit summary. My goal was to get that junk out of the article quickly, since it was on the Main Page. Abductive (reasoning) 01:00, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion without consensus

Deletion review for Kingman Group

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Thank you

For this. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 16:46, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion declined: Medimix (soap)

Hello Winged Blades of Godric. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Medimix (soap), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: products are not eligible for A7, this one claims significance anyway and there are non-spammy revisions to revert to, so fails G11. Thank you. SoWhy 14:10, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Talk:Christianity in Nepal/GA1

Winged Blades of Godric, were you planning on taking over this GA review, or should the review be ended and the nomination be placed back in the pool of GANs waiting for a reviewer? If the latter, I'm happy to do the necessary edits to make sure it's done without any loss of seniority. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:18, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset:-Please place back the nomination in the pool. My intention was merely to stall a poor-quality review and I personally don't have enough experience, over the topic-area. ∯WBG^converse 17:36, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Re: death threats and TPA

Replying here since BN is going nowhere fast and you and I have always been able to talk even when we disagree: I always revoke TPA for death threats when blocking, and would recommend all admins do the same. To me, it’s similar to an oversight block (where this is also the norm): the individual, whether an account or IP is being blocked because their on-wiki actions have real life implications and the advantages to having an open project need to be balanced with the real life implications of death threats, etc. If you want the policy I suppose it’d be disruptive editing, as there’s strong potential for disruption that is difficult to undo if access is allowed.

On the broader BN point, yeah, it annoys me that we don’t have a logged actions standard for inactivity desysops, but I also don’t like what is a fairly normal pair of actions being turned into some major scandal. There are active admins who do a lot worse with IPs and vandalism blocks in my view, and get barnstars for it, so I don’t like seeing others held up to higher standards than we’d reaaonably expect from someone who is more active. TonyBallioni (talk) 17:04, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Will reply tomorrow. ∯WBG^converse 19:13, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Warwan Valley

Hi, you recently edited Warwan Valley. Your contributions are welcome as long as they are not disruptive. But looking at this diff it seems you have blanked a whole sourced section while mentioning in your own summary that you where only removing a reliable source. Looking at your recent edits the intention looks quite clear. Please stop these sort of disruptive editing as you did in Warwan Valley, otherwise you will also find yourself at ANI.  MehrajMir (talk) 08:04, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Assuming that you are not trolling, Mehrajmir13, what part of WP:V do you fail to comprehend? Or, is it a problem with English language?

The travelogue was a reliable source but that supported precisely nothing of whatever you wrote over there using that as a citation. So, the source as well as the unsourced stuff gets simultaneously removed.

And, my edit summary was explicitly clear.

I will take the oppurtunity to remind you that this's not the first time that you have indulged in a blatant falsification of sources. Mend your ways before the ban-hammer strikes.

And by the way, feel free to take me to ANI but I suggest a reading of WP:BOOMERANG ∯WBG^converse 09:27, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

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Waldorf education discretionary sanctions

Hi. ArbCom are considering removing discretionary sanctions from Waldorf education and related articles. I note you recently had concerns regarding one of the editors who was a party to the Waldorf case: [26]. Do you have any views on the matter? If so, please comment at: [27]. SilkTork (talk) 09:17, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Will reply in a day or so but I don't have any objections against the motion. Thanks, ∯WBG^converse 04:12, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Neo-Bechstein

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Your revert related to Proof and Persuasion

You added p. 161 of Proof and Persuasion (a page which is part of Tapati Guha-Thakurta's chapter, although you didn't credit them) in this edit on 12 November 2018, at the same time you appended the phrase "to study and obtain casts of Indian sculpture" to the end of the first sentence of the paragraph. The source fails to support much of the earlier part of the sentence: "Under the patronage of [the] Royal Society of Arts and the colonial government, Rajendralal led an expedition into the Bhubaneshwar region of Odisa during 1868-69." The source says:

It had been the government's express desire in 1870 that 'as far as possible intelligent "natives" should be employed in, and trained to, the task of photography, measuring and surveying buildings, directing excavations and ... deciphering inscriptions.' The most eminent of such 'intelligent natives' who entered the field in this period was Rejendralal Mitra (1822-91), by then an established antiquarian and Indologist and an important member of the Asian Society of Bengal. He came to head one of the most extensive documentation and survey projects that the government had got under way since the late 1860s. Taking up a scheme floated by the Royal Society of Arts, London, for obtaining casts of old Indian sculpture, Rajendralal Mitra turned to the ancient temple architecture and sculpture of Orissa, taking with him on his study tours ...

The page makes no mention of "the Bhubaneshwar region". Nor does it mention specific dates for the expeditions, although by starting the paragraph with what the government wrote in 1870, and introducing the expeditions with "one of the most extensive documentation and survey projects ... since the late 1860s" (emphasis mine) it strongly implies that the expeditions were in or after 1870.

Perhaps "into the Bhubaneshwar region of Odisa during 1868-69" had been supported by a source cited later in the paragraph, and your 12 November insertion inadvertently broke text-source integrity. In any case, thank you for now adding a source for his beginning work on Orissa in 1868, and for your edit summary promising that a source for Bhubaneshwar will be forthcoming. Now that you have those matters in hand, I will re-implement the remainder of the edit that you reverted, which dealt with the citation of Proof and Persuasion, specifically complying with WP:PAGELINKS and clarifying the author, chapter, and editors. If you have an objection to that, I'd be obliged if you would discuss your concern. --Worldbruce (talk) 15:37, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

The very first edit of mine, linked by you, is exactly indicative of what transpired over here, (as you had ascertained late into your post). I will explain in a detailed manner, though:-

Aprior to my edit; the content read:-

Under the patronage of Royal Society of Arts and the colonial government, Rajendralal led an expedition into the Bhubaneshwar region of Odisa during 1868-69. The results were compiled in The Antiquities of Orissa which has been revered as a magnum opus about Odisan architecture.{{sfn|Ray|1969|p=131}}

I (personally) used to think that inline-citation must be provided after every line but post some miscellaneous advice, I came to understand that best practices forbid such redundant referencing. If an entire paragraph, consisting of multiple lines, is cited to the same source, mentioning that source once (and at the end of the paragraph) is optimal business.

As expected, both the lines were indeed entirely supported by Pg 131 of Ray.

Now, in my edit, I introduce a new phrase to study and obtain casts of Indian sculpture at the end of the first line and accompanied it with a relevant reference.

Un-knownst to me; this broke the integrity between text and cite because the reference that supported the first part of the first line, now lay at the end of the second line. ∯WBG^converse 16:25, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

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Books & Bytes, Issue 32

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Facto Post – Issue 21 – 28 February 2019

Facto Post – Issue 21 – 28 February 2019 The Editor is Charles Matthews, for ContentMine. Please leave feedback for him, on his User talk page. To subscribe to Facto Post go to Wikipedia:Facto Post mailing list. For the ways to unsubscribe, see the footer. Back numbers are here. What is a systematic review? Systematic reviews are basic building blocks of evidence-based medicine, surveys of existing literature devoted typically to a definite question that aim to bring out scientific conclusions. They are principled in a way Wikipedians can appreciate, taking a critical view of their sources. PRISMA flow diagram for a systematic review Ben Goldacre in 2014 wrote (link below) "[...] : the "information architecture" of evidence based medicine (if you can tolerate such a phrase) is a chaotic, ad hoc, poorly connected ecosystem of legacy projects. In some respects the whole show is still run on paper, like it's the 19th century." Is there a Wikidatan in the house? Wouldn't some machine-readable content that is structured data help? File:Schittny, Facing East, 2011, Legacy Projects.jpg 2011 photograph by Bernard Schittny of the "Legacy Projects" group Most likely it would, but the arcana of systematic reviews and how they add value would still need formal handling. The PRISMA standard dates from 2009, with an update started in 2018. The concerns there include the corpus of papers used: how selected and filtered? Now that Wikidata has a 20.9 million item bibliography, one can at least pose questions. Each systematic review is a tagging opportunity for a bibliography. Could that tagging be reproduced by a query, in principle? Can it even be second-guessed by a query (i.e. simulated by a protocol which translates into SPARQL)? Homing in on the arcana, do the inclusion and filtering criteria translate into metadata? At some level they must, but are these metadata explicitly expressed in the articles themselves? The answer to that is surely "no" at this point, but can TDM find them? Again "no", right now. Automatic identification doesn't just happen. Actually these questions lack originality. It should be noted though that WP:MEDRS, the reliable sources guideline used here for health information, hinges on the assumption that the usefully systematic reviews of biomedical literature can be recognised. Its nutshell summary, normally the part of a guideline with the highest density of common sense, allows literature reviews in general validity, but WP:MEDASSESS qualifies that indication heavily. Process wonkery about systematic reviews definitely has merit. Links Evidence-Based Practice: Appraise, resources page from Duke University Medical Library & Archives. What should Cochrane do next?, Bad Science blogpost 5 November 2014, Ben Goldacre. Cambridge (UK) Science Festival event, How do scientific discoveries become clinical medicine?, ScienceSource workshop for ContentMine 23 March 2019, with systematic review process diagram. Also on Eventbrite for tickets, taking place in Makespace, 16 Mill Lane. PROSPERO database of PRISMA, for registration of systematic review protocols. Process wonkery thread, wikien-l mailing list, September 2006. Meta-Analysis, xkcd cartoon. If you wish to receive no further issues of Facto Post, please remove your name from our mailing list. Alternatively, to opt out of all massmessage mailings, you may add Category:Wikipedians who opt out of message delivery to your user talk page. Newsletter delivered by MediaWiki message delivery

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Template:Did you know nominations/Hou Xun

Winged Blades of Godric, you posted here on February 19 that you were not satisfied with the review and would be doing one the next day. It's now February 28. Are you going to return to conduct a new review? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:34, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you sir

I understand your valueable suggesion i must take care while editing.sir i have one question icant do editing in some articles plz solve my problem...

    Thanking you. Indiamerijaan2001 (talk) 02:25, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

2019 India–Pakistan standoff

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on 2019 India–Pakistan standoff; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing.Nigel Ish (talk) 11:35, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

@Nigel Ish:-If you can't follow WP:DTTR; I don't wish to see you on my t/p ever. Ta, ∯WBG^converse 11:43, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/S. Dharmambal

Winged Blades of Godric, I was wondering whether the new sourcing added by the nominator has addressed your concerns. Please stop by the nomination when you can to let us know how you think things stand. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:44, 2 March 2019 (UTC)

Will check within a day:-) ∯WBG^converse 15:15, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Abelmoschus Esculentus' User Scripts

Dear all. Recently, our community lost a dedicated user, Abelmoschus Esculentus (talk). Among their projects were a number of user scripts that they left behind. I (DannyS712) have copied the scripts, and have taken over maintaining them. You currently import one or more of Abelmoschus Esculentus' scripts, and I thought that you might want to import a maintained version. Links to each script are provided below.

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Tech News: 2019-10

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• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 5 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 6 March. It will be on all wikis from 7 March (calendar).

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Your GA nomination of BGR-34

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2019).

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• The RfC on administrator activity requirements failed to reach consensus for any proposal.
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• A new tool is available to help determine if a given IP is an open proxy/VPN/webhost/compromised host.

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• The Arbitration Committee announced two new OTRS queues. Both are meant solely for cases involving private information; other cases will continue to be handled at the appropriate venues (e.g., WP:COIN or WP:SPI).
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Questions

Trying to understand your reasoning for the revert without checking the spelling, verifying content or checking sources? Secondly, what will happen to DRAFT:Pathadipalam if your suggestion is followed and what is not even an acceptable stub gets moved to Pathadipalam?? It wasn't until after I prodded it that an editor showed up and added another sentence including Pathadipalam metro station misspelled at first and not wikilinked, and then expressed discontent over the prod on the TP. If anything, the stub should have been sent back to Draft because it's not only misspelled, it lacks content and RS. Thirdly, if I had sent it to draft when there is a current draft with the correct spelling in waiting, then what? Finally, the misspelled stub has remained pretty much in the same state it's in now for 12+ years, so I really don't see that reverting the prod was helpful under the circumstances. I'm all ears eyes... ^Atsme 📣 📧 18:47, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-11

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• Pages can use geocoordinates from Wikidata with the mw.wikibase.entity:formatStatements Lua function or the #statements parser function. If they do, they will now be shown using a Kartographer <maplink> if the wiki can use Kartographer. You can report bugs or ask questions on Phabricator.
• There is now an EventStream to see when links are added or removed on Wikimedia wikis. You can read the discussions and plans.

Problems

• Some wikis will not be able to edit for a short period of time on 19 March (UTC). This will start at 15:00 UTC. It will last up to 15 minutes but probably shorter. You can see the list of affected wikis. This is because of network maintenance. You can still read the wikis.
• Editors who use Firefox to edit with the visual editor had a problem with copying text. When they tried to select text that included footnotes, templates or block images in the middle they would often only get part of the text. This has now been fixed. [32]
• Some maps didn't work for a while on 8 March. This has been fixed. [33][34]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 12 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 13 March. It will be on all wikis from 14 March (calendar).

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NPR Newsletter No.17

Hello Winged Blades of Godric,

News

• The WMF has announced that Google Translate is now available for translating articles through the content translation tool. This may result in an increase in machine translated articles in the New Pages Feed. Feel free to use the {{rough translation}} tag and gently remind (or inform) editors that translations from other language Wikipedia pages still require attribution per WP:TFOLWP.

Discussions of interest

• Two elements of CSD G6 have been split into their own criteria: R4 for redirects in the "File:" namespace with the same name as a file or redirect at Wikimedia Commons (Discussion), and G14 for disambiguation pages which disambiguate zero pages, or have "(disambiguation)" in the title but disambiguate a single page (Discussion).
• {{db-blankdraft}} was merged into G13 (Discussion)
• A discussion recently closed with no consensus on whether to create a subject-specific notability guideline for theatrical plays.
• There is an ongoing discussion on a proposal to create subject-specific notability guidelines for chemicals and organism taxa.

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• NPR is not a binary keep / delete process. In many cases a redirect may be appropriate. The deletion policy and its associated guideline clearly emphasise that not all unsuitable articles must be deleted. Redirects are not contentious. See a classic example of the templates to use. More templates are listed at the R template index. Reviewers who are not aware, do please take this into consideration before PROD, CSD, and especially AfD because not even all admins are aware of such policies, and many NAC do not have a full knowledge of them.

NPP Tools Report

• Superlinks – allows you to check an article's history, logs, talk page, NPP flowchart (on unpatrolled pages) and more without navigating away from the article itself.
• copyvio-check – automatically checks the copyvio percentage of new pages in the background and displays this info with a link to the report in the 'info' panel of the Page curation toolbar.
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Nomination of Nightscape for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Nightscape is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nightscape until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by PC78 (talk • contribs)

Hi, @PC78: WBG is not the creator of this article. – Ammarpad (talk) 13:01, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

@Ammarpad: I know, didn't say they were! I notified Winged Blades of Godric since they contributed to the article and may be interested in the discussion. PC78 (talk) 13:06, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Growth team updates #6

Welcome to the sixth newsletter from the Growth team!

The Growth team's objective is to work on software changes that help retain new contributors in mid-size Wikimedia projects.

Plans for the next three months

The Growth team has been working on features to increase new editor retention for the last seven months. We have made a lot of progress and learned a lot, and we've just finished planning for our next three months. During the next three months, we're going to focus on iterations of the help panel and the newcomer homepage. We have decided not to start the engagement emails project, because we think that we will be able to do better work by improving the projects we have already started. Specifically, these are our team goals:

• Deploy and iterate on newcomer homepage
• Continued iteration on help panel
• Make the help panel available to more wikis
• Add a fourth Wikipedia to our set of target wikis
• Publish in-depth quantitative reporting on the data from this year
• Assemble a report on what our team has learned so far about newcomers

Newcomer homepage

Mockup of potential design for newcomer homepage

The newcomer homepage is our current major project. We hope that community members can read over the project page, and comment on its discussion page with any ideas, questions, or concerns. You can see in the accompanying mockup how we are thinking about the homepage.

We have recently decided on the specifications for an initial version that we can deploy and iterate on:

• Shown in the User space
• Desktop only (mobile comes next)
• Four modules
  • Help module: help links and ability to ask help desk questions
  • Mentorship module: all newcomers assigned a mentor to whom they can ask questions
  • Impact module: shows the number of pageviews for pages the newcomer edited
  • Account completion module: gives some very simple recommendations of how to get started (add an email, start your user page)
• Layout not yet personalized for each user

We're currently running live user tests on this configuration. Future work will include adapting the homepage for mobile, working on a task recommendation module, and considering how to encourage newcomers to visit their homepage.

Help panel

Screenshot from Vietnamese Wikipedia showing the help panel open on the Community Portal, including the "search" bar.

During the last month, the help panel was deployed on Vietnamese Wikipedia, adding it to Czech and Korean Wikipedias.As of 2019-03-14:

• 2,425 newcomers have seen the help panel
• 422 of them have opened it
• 175 have clicked links
• 27 have run searches
• 40 have asked questions

We have been analyzing the data around usage, and we'll be publishing numbers in the coming weeks. At a high level, we see at least some users are being helped by the panel, with many clicking on links, running searches, and asking questions. We do not yet see any problems that have arisen from the help panel. Therefore, we think that the help panel is generally a positive feature – though data is still coming that will allow us to see its numerical impact. If other wikis are interested in using the help panel, please contact us on our team's talk page, in the language of your choice.

Over the past month, we have iterated on the help panel to take into account the usage patterns we are seeing. You can see in the accompanying image how the help panel currently looks.

• We added a search capability, in which users can search the Help and Wikipedia namespaces.
• The help panel was previously available whenever a newcomer was in "edit" mode. We are now also showing the help panel when a newcomer is in "read" mode on a page in the Help, Wikipedia, or User namespaces.

We want to see whether users find the "search" useful. If so, we may spend time on improving search results. We're also looking forward to learning whether exposing the help panel in "read" mode in more namespaces will increase usage.

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18:19, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

White supremacism???

Hi WBG, you closed [[35]] with a note that there is a consensus for including the term "white supremacism" in the article. Given that the vast majority of commenters were against inclusion, I wonder where did you observe the said consensus?

Also, if you read subsequent discussion on Talk, a few other editors express surprise at the term being used in the article.

Hope you will revisit the topic. Thanks. — kashmīrī ^TALK 18:59, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

@Kashmiri:--NOTAVOTE. Discussions are closed on the merit of !votes. Original research is prohibited∯WBG^converse 19:10, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

@WBG: You might be confusing RfC with XfD. There was no consensus, irrespective of your reading of the value of arguments presented, and your claim that there was one does not seem to reflect the discussion there. In my view, RfC could safely run for a few more days, there was no urgency to close it within 36 hours (sic!). Care to reopen or make a new one? — kashmīrī ^TALK 19:17, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Moreover, you should not have closed that RfC as you are neither an admin nor WP:UNINVOLVED, having earlier participated in heated discussions on the article. — kashmīrī ^TALK 19:22, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

I had not remotely commented anything about white supremacy/manifesto stuff and my sole editorial involvement was whether or not to include the name of Tarrant. Your arguments are fundamentally flawed and it was not an RFC either. You might wish to approach AN for any reversal per CLOSECHALLENGE.

You need not ping me over my t/p either:-)∯WBG^converse 20:00, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) It is a fundamental part of consensus that it is determined by the strength of arguments, not by votes - there is no difference in how consensus is determined for RfCs and XfDs. FWIW I preemptively endorse the close - all the policy-based arguments were made by those supporting inclusion, and a bunch of people making non-policy based arguments based on their interpretation of the manifesto does not change that. Galobtter (pingó mió) 19:26, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Galo. Wot you se. ∯WBG^converse 20:00, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-12

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week

• When you use rollback you will be able to get a confirmation prompt on most wikis. It asks you if you wanted to do the rollback. This is to avoid misclicks. You will have to opt in to get it. On German Wikipedia it will be an opt-out feature from 28 March. [36][37]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 19 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 20 March. It will be on all wikis from 21 March (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 20 March at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Admins will be able to block someone from editing a page or a namespace. This already works on a few Wikimedia wikis. You can read more. If your wiki wants to be an early tester of this, you can tell the developers. [38]
• Toolforge will shut down the Ubuntu Trusty job grid. This will happen the week of 25 March. Tools that use this grid needs to be moved to the new Debian Stretch job grid. If they haven't, they will be taken offline. Maintainers can restart the tools later. Users may not be able to use them in the meanwhile. You can see a list of affected tools.

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19:44, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Sentinelese

Hello:

The copy edit you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Sentinelese has been completed.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

Best of luck with the GAN.

Regards,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 19:43, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

FR30799386's User Scripts

Dear all. Recently, FR30799386 (talk) was blocked for sock puppetry. Among their projects were a number of user scripts that they left behind. I (DannyS712) have copied the scripts, and have taken over maintaining them. You currently import one or more of FR30799386's scripts, and I thought that you might want to import a maintained version. Links to each script are provided below.

• User:DannyS712/communicator
• User:DannyS712/copyvio-check
• User:DannyS712/Undo
• User:DannyS712/Quick-undo
• User:DannyS712/Readonly
• User:DannyS712/Redirectify
• User:DannyS712/Section-strike

If you have any questions, please reach out and talk to me. --DannyS712 (talk) 03:57, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Re: TWL question

No, I am not currently an account coordinator for any resource. ~ Rob₁₃^Talk 01:37, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-13

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• The new version of the content translation tool will be used for all new translations. The older version will still be used for translations that were started with it. Most users won’t see any change. More than 80% of the published translations are already using the new version. [39]

Problems

• There was a problem with editing with Safari on iOS. When you wrote an edit summary you couldn't save the edit. This has now been fixed. [40]
• The editing toolbar sometimes disappears when you scroll on iOS devices. This will be fixed soon. [41]
• Wikis can over-ride interface messages on-wiki. A problem meant that sometimes an old versions of any changed messages were shown instead. This included the sitenotice and other important parts of the interface. This was fixed at around 2019-03-22 16:00 (UTC). Logged-out users may still get the wrong message. Purging the page should fix it for them. [42]

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 26 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 27 March. It will be on all wikis from 28 March (calendar).

Meetings

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18:05, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Question about citation bot

Hi WBG, I'm a bit confused over whether or not User:Citation_bot works or if it's blocked. I have it enabled in Gadgets but when I use it, there's a message at the bottom of the preview page that says it's blocked: ! Account "Citation bot" or this IP is blocked from editing, and I have seen the bot name struck in edit history (enabled feature in prefs) but it appears the changes were made when I review the diffs. Any clue what's going on there? ^Atsme _Talk 📧 16:08, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

@Atsme:--To use the Citation Bot in a blocked state; you need to choose wiki-text editing mode (away from VE, if you do use that) and additionally, must not have WikiEd (check gadgets) or 2017Wikitext editor (check Beta features) installed. Now follow Route 1 as mentioned at User:Citation_bot/use#via_the_citation_expander_gadget.

Using the bot itself or the toolbar option won't lead to anything since the edits can't be committed.∯WBG^converse 16:35, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Ok, thank you - so we should be in edit view to run the tool, not from the left margin toolbar. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 17:01, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

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Facto Post – Issue 22 – 28 March 2019

Facto Post – Issue 22 – 28 March 2019 The Editor is Charles Matthews, for ContentMine. Please leave feedback for him, on his User talk page. To subscribe to Facto Post go to Wikipedia:Facto Post mailing list. For the ways to unsubscribe, see the footer. Back numbers are here. When in the cloud, do as the APIs do Half a century ago, it was the era of the mainframe computer, with its air-conditioned room, twitching tape-drives, and appearance in the title of a spy novel Billion-Dollar Brain then made into a Hollywood film. Now we have the cloud, with server farms and the client–server model as quotidian: this text is being typed on a Chromebook. File:Cloud-API-Logo.svg Logo of Cloud API on Google Cloud Platform The term Applications Programming Interface or API is 50 years old, and refers to a type of software library as well as the interface to its use. While a compiler is what you need to get high-level code executed by a mainframe, an API out in the cloud somewhere offers a chance to perform operations on a remote server. For example, the multifarious bots active on Wikipedia have owners who exploit the MediaWiki API. APIs (called RESTful) that allow for the GET HTTP request are fundamental for what could colloquially be called "moving data around the Web"; from which Wikidata benefits 24/7. So the fact that the Wikidata SPARQL endpoint at query.wikidata.org has a RESTful API means that, in lay terms, Wikidata content can be GOT from it. The programming involved, besides the SPARQL language, could be in Python, younger by a few months than the Web. Magic words, such as occur in fantasy stories, are wishful (rather than RESTful) solutions to gaining access. You may need to be a linguist to enter Ali Baba's cave or the western door of Moria (French in the case of "Open Sesame", in fact, and Sindarin being the respective languages). Talking to an API requires a bigger toolkit, which first means you have to recognise the tools in terms of what they can do. On the way to the wikt:impactful or polymathic modern handling of facts, one must perhaps take only tactful notice of tech's endemic problem with documentation, and absorb the insightful point that the code in APIs does articulate the customary procedures now in place on the cloud for getting information. As Owl explained to Winnie-the-Pooh, it tells you The Thing to Do. Links Wikidata as a semantic framework for the Gene Wiki initiative, 2016 paper by Andrawaag and others, commenting inter alia on the role of the API on Wikidata Working With Wikibase From Go, Digital Flapjack blogpost 26 November 2018, Michael Dales, developer for ScienceSource using golang, with a software engineer's view on Wikibase and the MediaWiki API Dealing with the Rust, Magnus Manske blogpost 12 March 2019, on the Rust language and the MediaWiki API mw:API:RecentChanges, mediawiki.org page on the API for access to "recent changes" on a wiki wikitech:Analytics/AQS/Pageviews, wikitech.wikimedia.org for the Pageview API, giving Wikimedia traffic information xkcd cartoon, API Guide If you wish to receive no further issues of Facto Post, please remove your name from our mailing list. Alternatively, to opt out of all massmessage mailings, you may add Category:Wikipedians who opt out of message delivery to your user talk page. Newsletter delivered by MediaWiki message delivery

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The Signpost: 31 March 2019

News, reports and features from the English Wikipedia's weekly journal about Wikipedia and Wikimedia

• From the editors: Getting serious about humor
• News and notes: Blackouts fail to stop EU Copyright Directive
• In the media: Women's history month
• Discussion report: Portal debates continue, Prespa agreement aftermath, WMF seeks a rebranding
• Featured content: Out of this world
• Arbitration report: The Tides of March at ARBCOM
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• Recent research: Barnstar-like awards increase new editor retention
• From the archives: Esperanza organization disbanded after deletion discussion
• Humour: The Epistolary of Arthur 37
• Op-Ed: Pro and Con: Has gun violence been improperly excluded from gun articles?
• In focus: The Wikipedia SourceWatch
• Special report: Wiki Loves (50 Years of) Pride
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Tech News: 2019-14

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week

• Notifications tell you about things that happen on the wiki. You can turn on notifications about new links to pages you created. For performance reasons you can no longer get e-mails about this. [43]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 2 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 3 April. It will be on all wikis from 4 April (calendar).

Meetings

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16:29, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

BRG-34 GA review

I know that I have come in and stomped all over the article, just as it was nearing the end of the GA review process. Despite my query there, I do agree that a Good Article can be written about a product with bad science. I want to state here that my background (parts on my User page) includes a doctorate in nutritional biochemistry from Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and until recently retired, 14 years as an expert science consultant to U.S. companies in the dietary supplement industry. In my opinion, the article captures the debate within India as to whether this product was prematurely brought to market, and how politics was involved. David notMD (talk) 09:55, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

P.S. Your User page states you are taking a Wiki-break. If that status has changed, may want to revise. David notMD (talk) 09:57, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – April 2019

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2019).

Administrator changes

Reaper Eternal • ThaddeusB

Bogdangiusca • Christopher Parham • Necrothesp • Schneelocke • Siroxo • Sarah

Mentifisto → Lofty abyss

Interface administrator changes

Mr. Stradivarius

Bureaucrat changes

DeltaQuad

Kingturtle

Technical news

• In Special:Preferences under "Appearance" → "Advanced options", there is now an option to show a confirmation prompt when clicking on a rollback link.
• The Wikimedia Foundation's Community health initiative plans to design and build a new user reporting system to make it easier for people experiencing harassment and other forms of abuse to provide accurate information to the appropriate channel for action to be taken. Please see meta:Community health initiative/User reporting system consultation 2019 to provide your input on this idea.

Arbitration

• The Arbitration Committee clarified that the General 1RR prohibition for Palestine-Israel articles may only be enforced on pages with the {{ARBPIA 1RR editnotice}} edit notice.

Miscellaneous

• Two more administrator accounts were compromised. Evidence has shown that these attacks, like previous incidents, were due to reusing a password that was used on another website that suffered a data breach. If you have ever used your current password on any other website, you should change it immediately. All admins are strongly encouraged to enable two-factor authentication, please consider doing so. Please always practice appropriate account security by ensuring your password is secure and unique to Wikimedia.
• As a reminder, according to WP:NOQUORUM, administrators looking to close or relist an AfD should evaluate a nomination that has received few or no comments as if it were a proposed deletion (PROD) prior to determining whether it should be relisted.

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Tech News: 2019-15

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• More wikis are now testing visual editor section editing for mobile users. You can read more.
• Admins on French and Polish Wikipedia can block someone from editing a page or a namespace. If your wiki wants to get these blocks before they are available to all wikis, you can tell the developers. [44][45]

Problems

• You will be able read but not edit most wikis for 30 minutes on 11 April at 05:00 (UTC). This is because of a hardware problem. You can see a list of the affected wikis. [46]
• A map update caused some problems on 29 March and 30 March. It was rolled back. [47]
• Pages on some Wikivoyages had problems with the top headline. This has been fixed. [48]

Changes later this week

• When you add an edit summary the VisualEditor will search your recent edit summaries in case you want to re-use one. This works in both the visual and wikitext modes on desktop. It also works on the mobile site. [49]
• The Wikimedia wikis will get a URL shortener. This will work from 11 April. You can read more. [50]
• The {{REVISIONID}} magic word will no longer work. This is for performance reasons. When you preview a page it will return "" (empty string). When you read a page it will return "-" (dash). For now this will only affect content namespaces. [51]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 9 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 10 April. It will be on all wikis from 11 April (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 10 April at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• You will be able to preview references. This means that when you hover over the link you will get a popup that shows you a preview of the reference. It will work much like page previews. This is so you don't have to go to the bottom of the page to see a reference. This will now be available as a beta feature on German and Arabic Wikipedia. [52][53]
• The Wikidata JSON output will change. Empty containers will be serialised as empty objects. This is a breaking change that will affect tools that use JSON outputs and APIs. It will happen on 30 April. You can read more and see how to test your code.

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18:24, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

April 2019

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, discussion pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments, as you did at User talk:RexxS, is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Even making spelling and grammatical corrections in others' comments is generally frowned upon, as it tends to irritate the users whose comments you are correcting. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. I realize you aren't a new editor, but I feel you should still be templated for refactoring my comment. Seppi333 (Insert 2¢) 14:17, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Don't be a jerk. ∯WBG^converse 14:22, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Kunal Kamra

User:Winged Blades of Godric/Kunal Kamra. Best, Black Kite (talk) 17:35, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

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Me Too movement (India)

This – [54] – was per discussion regarding inclusion of the alleged "harassment" claims against Vishwa Mohan Bhatt (on his BLP, Me Too movement and Me Too movement (India)) at Talk:Vishwa Mohan Bhatt#Sexual harassment mentions and WP:BLPN#Vishwa Mohan Bhatt and sexual harassment allegations. See also Talk:Me Too movement (India)#Vishwa Mohan Bhatt. — Nearly Headless Nick {c} 19:31, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• All wikis now have the TemplateWizard for the wikitext editor.

Changes later this week

• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 16 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 17 April. It will be on all wikis from 18 April (calendar).

Meetings

• You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 17 April at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Wikidata will get a new constraint status called suggestion. This will change how the WikibaseQualityConstraints constraint checking API works. [55][56]
• You can test the depicts property for structured data on Commons.

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23:00, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Reverts

I'm not going to edit war with you. Please let Feezo answer my question. What's the problem with my question? Activity levels are in the focus now, as seen from many recent comments from WP:BN. This would be like if I had the bit, based on activity levels, which should scare everyone. Mr Ernie (talk) 18:40, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

If you honestly have no clue about what's wrong with your question (and the tone of it), you are beyond the purview of mine helping out. Dweller might be able to offer some sage advice. FWIW, when we are losing admins at a phenomenally rapid rate, you are asking someone to retire who has over 500 logged sysop-actions (9 blocks in 2016, 10 blocks in 2017, 11 blocks in 2018 and 25 blocks in 2019; about 270 page/rev deletions in 2016, 98 page/rev deletions in 2017, 34 page/rev deletions in 2018 and 122 page/rev deletions in 2019 and other tool-usage) across the last three years and these four months. What's your activity standard, 5000? How many main-space edits have you managed to incur, after all these years? Bye, ∯WBG^converse 18:49, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Well I'm pretty proud of 1986 Mount Hood Disaster and Luitpoldpark, both of which I created in the last year. But that's not the point because I'm not an administrator. Those were very difficult for me, as I'm not as good a writer as others, and it's challenging for me to create good prose. I've got some good ideas for another 3-5 articles over the next year or so, depending on time constraints with my job, family, and personal issues. The point is I'm not out there dropping blocks on people with an activity level of 50-100 edits per year. Do you think Feezo would pass RFA if they ran today? Mr Ernie (talk) 19:02, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Mr Ernie Your last question is irrelevant but I believe that he would easily pass a re-RFA with flying colors, even after this block, if his blocks and deletions across the years are all solid enough.

Also, if you genuinely believe that the folks over BN were asking people with (a) 81 edits in 2016 (and at least another 279 logged actions) , (b) 72 edits in 2017 (and at least another 108 logged actions) , (c) 200 edits in 2018 (and at least another 45 logged actions) & (d) 181 edits in 2019 (and at least another 147 logged actions) to give up their tools, you need to heavily brush up your understanding-skills (and I'm being extraordinarily polite). Find me one editor who supports that someone with these counts shall be de-flagged for inactivity.∯WBG^converse 19:19, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment. Per this discussion, I bet there's a few people there who may agree that you should do more than 39 edits in a year (2015) to keep your administrative privileges. I guess we won't agree on it, but to me it seems fine to drop the bit for the time when you won't be active, and then request it back when you have more time to contribute. Mr Ernie (talk) 19:28, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

I'm not very active at the moment and just don't have the time to look into the background properly, but please, let's be kind to each other. Wikipedians are a scarce and valuable resource and admins are as rare as hen's teeth. I value you both for your experience and contributions. Cheers --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 22:29, 17 April 2019 (UTC) PS Sorry if that wasn't very sage.

Please discuss on the talk page

Rather than reverting the edits of an editor in good standing, it is best form to discuss first on the talk page. Happy to meet you at Waqar Zaka talk page to discuss further.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 21:31, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

You have thrice re-incorporated the same stuff despite objections of mine, SN54129 and Saqib. That is text-book edit-warring in direct contravention of Bold-Revert-Discuss cycle.

You are also asked to clarify as to how this rollback of your's satisfy the relevant usage policy.

And, I note that you continue to engage in your new found hobby of taking up edit requests via Twitter. The entirety of your intervention over Zaka's t/p, post that bonhomie, has been a net-negative and resembles of acute clueless-ness. ​∯WBG^converse 06:30, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

If Jimmy continues with this nonsense, just take him to AE for a BLP topic ban. He’s been made aware that discretionary sanctions are in force, so he should know better than to use rollback to insert promotional content from one of his twitter friends into a BLP. TonyBallioni (talk) 13:43, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Revert all 5 edits?

May I know what’s wrong in mentioning about their diet with citation ? Joshi punekar (talk) 18:47, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

I will explain my revert of your edits in entirety:-

• In the 21st century, we don't say that Community X resides to the north of Himalayas, Community Y between the Y and Z ranges and so on. Administrative territories are used because they are far more specific and easily identifiable to a reader.

• That's the reason as to why your addition to lead was a dis-improvement.

• There was a community-discussion over reliable sources noticeboard that added a paragraph to our guide of identifying reliable resources in scientific areas. The addition states:--

  However, primary sources describing genetic or genomic research into human ancestry, ancient populations, ethnicity, race, and the like, should not be used to generate content about those subjects, which are controversial. High quality secondary sources as described above should be used instead. Genetic studies of human anatomy or phenotypes like intelligence should be sourced per WP:MEDRS.

• It, for all practical purposes, asks us to avoid such stuff and at any case, the book you cited is not remotely close to being a high quality source.

• And, finally, vegetarian or non-vegetarian food habit. Per your quote from it, Singh notes that the entire community is vegetarian but there are outliers.

• We are not writing a legal document over here and any such broad characterization is bound to have outlying elements, in this era of globalization. Also, we don't use Singh's work over here--it has been non-favorably received by academics and often mass-plagiarize works of discredited Raj era ethnographers. I have hardly seen any respectable academic in these areas, citing Singh either. ∯WBG^converse 19:11, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

So in this case do visit saraswat brahmin page.Recent edits are based on this diet,intercaste marriage etc .Doesn’t it applicable there? Joshi punekar (talk) 19:16, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Please read WP:INDENTATION and abide by that.

Saraswats are distinct from other Brahman communities, specifically due to their meat-eating habits. This was the core reason, as to why they were placed in the lower rungs of the Brahmanical hierarchy and numerous authors document this. So, obviously the non-vegetarian diet habit and social status deserves a mention.

That I am now looking at your broader editing patterns, I am increasingly growing suspicious of your motives and it very much seems that you are trying to right great wrongs. You are effectively trying to whitewash the Saraswats (which Serial Number 54129 duly reverted) by removing all references that speak of their non-vegetarian habits whilst simultaneously setting up a false similarity between the Saraswats and Deshasthas by trying to prove that even the latter follows a non-vegetarian diet.

@EdJohnston:--This is a real good idea and can be placed at individual sysop discretion, per WP:GS/CASTE. ∯WBG^converse 19:35, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Why what happened ?Is this Wikipedia or a group of POV setters as per requirements when needed?If no means apply same method in saraswat Brahmins page. Regards, Joshi punekar (talk) 19:35, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

This is not a chat-board; you need to read the stuff before posting a reply that seems to be functionally identical to trolling. Any more un-indented garbage and I will revert you. ∯WBG^converse 19:38, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Proposal: Expand G5 to include undisclosed paid editing

On 14 April you noted that you were closing Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Proposal: Expand G5 to include undisclosed paid editing, but haven't apparently completed it yet. If you are no longer planning to perform the closure, please could you release it to another admin (note that this cannot be me as I'm very involved with the discussion). Thanks, Thryduulf (talk) 09:36, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

In T minus 24. ∯WBG^converse 12:32, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

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