User talk:Martinevans123

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Peace is a state of balance and understanding in yourself and between others, where respect is gained by the acceptance of differences, tolerance persists, conflicts are resolved through dialogue, people's rights are respected and their voices are heard, and everyone is at their highest point of serenity without social tension.

Martin, As you archive so regularly (unlike some editors ...) I thought that this would
a) Brighten up your page, and
b) Add a serious tone amidst all the hilarity.
All the best to you and yours –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 11:08, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. A lovely picture. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:03, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

I have made a little seasonal update - hope you don't mind! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:02, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Not at all. The snow has almost vanished.
A Christian feast commemorating the resurrection of Christ; the first Sunday following the full moon that occurs on or next after the vernal equinox, neither earlier than March 22 nor later than April 25.
I hate this BST ... why can't we stick with good old GMT? (... it follows the sun after all)
Cheers!
— Gareth Griffith-Jones – The WelshBuzzard – 10:27, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

• A brand of choc ice manufactured by the British Wall's ice cream
• the act of eating

now, I ask you, what kind of alphabetical (or significance) order is that?!!

Yours, aye John Lemon

Have always loved that record. Good compilation of photographs ... who is the geezer in the middle — at 1 min 32 secs? –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 20:28, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

For some reason, he always reminded me of Nixon!

Oh! Of course. I knew that really –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 20:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Wiki Jukebox

... my own personal permanent fixture tribute...

You turn your back for a just a second and some strange Swedish person sneaks in and steals your records!!

Please don't donate generously any more (.... and add whatever you like!!):

Jukeboxland - never try and sneakily enter at your own risk
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
All deleted, on the advice of User:Fram, in case there is a copyright problem.

Blocks all round?

!

"They've got womanly breasts under pale mauve vests,

Shoes like dead pigs' noses,

Cornflake packet jacket, catalogue trousers,

A mouth what never closes."

Please, Mr. Admin-robot, don't be a Blockhead.

Oi! Oi! ... Cornflake packet jacket, catalogue trousers, A mouth what never closes...

Their shapeless haircuts don't enhance, Their ghastly patterned shirts.. (allegedly)

"I'm a tail dragger, I wipe out my tracks"

• What do you call a boomerang that doesn't come back? A stick!

• I couldn't quite remember how to throw a boomerang, but eventually it came back to me.Boing

• The other day I held the door open for a clown. I thought it was a nice jester.clown

Father Jackum's polyphonic retort generator

Enjoy .micro.dot.cotton (talk) 18:04, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

"OMFG". Not seen you for a while, Dot! I thought you'd been sent down for at least 30 years for giving Nasty Nick his last ever WP:GAR. But what a lovely musical gift! Hours of Manchester fun. lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:32, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

There's a lot of malicious tongues round 'ere, and you know me, I ain't one to gossip, but apparently Ethel's ghost still lurks in the corridors, and has been seen at night asking "where's my willy?" .micro.dot.cotton (talk) 19:16, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Ooo, tongues-a-wagging, eh? That's the last thing you need, dearie. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:57, 26 September 2015 (UTC) ... but everyone needs a friendly ghost!

[1] EEng (talk) 20:40, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

A great tool for all new users, I feel... "Big hello to big Father Jack Wayne, xylophone." Martinevans123 (talk) 21:24, 26 September 2015 (UTC) In years to come, future civilisations will say "Ah, so Wikipedia was useful, after all."

Editor of the Week

		Editor of the Week
		Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as Editor of the Week for your determination and dedication to help the encyclopedia grow. Thank you for the great contributions! (courtesy of the Wikipedia Editor Retention Project)

User:Ritchie333 submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:

Coming up to 9 years of service and 77,000 edits, Martinevans123 is truly one of the unsung heroes of Wikipedia. On the surface, you may know him for his witty banter and Private Eye-esque visual humour, which I always enjoy, but beneath the surface lies someone who toils away day in, day out, on keeping articles in better shape. He doesn't go for the big awards like GAs and FAs, but he really does make the encyclopedia better without much reward. This nomination was seconded by User:Yash! and User:MelanieN.

You can copy the following text to your user page to display a user box proclaiming your selection as Editor of the Week:

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Martinevans123

A Tarot Card

Editor of the Week for the week beginning February 27, 2016

9 years and 77,000 plus edits, wit and humor hide an unsung hero. Daily work at articles to make the encyclopedia better without much reward.

Recognized for

his witty banter and Private Eye-esque visual humour

Nomination page

Thanks again for your efforts! Buster Seven Talk 19:35, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Right, that's it! Please accept my resignation! 19:43, 27 February 2016 (UTC) p.s. but many thanks, anyway. That was really unexpected. I am deeply touched. (allegedly)

The award is usually distributed on Sunday. Due to the unexpected amount of touching displayed on this page you have been penalized with an additional day as Editor of the Week. This matter has not been discussed with the other WER clerks (Are there any other WER clerks?) and cannot be rescinded or changed in any way. Buster Seven Talk 20:08, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

I'm very pleased to see that you are keeping up the old traditions. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:01, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

• Very well deserved it for your amazing contributions! Congratulations! Yash! 20:11, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Haha. Well, as Debbie might say .... "I'm always touched by your presents, dear." Martinevans123 (talk) 20:52, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

• ... as I said three years ago ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

• Gerda, I will always treasure your precious music-related gift... in fact, I've had it sewn into my Blackforest lederhosen weightlifting belt. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:58, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Better as part of the Charivari, I guess, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:05, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Oh yes. "Rough "cat" music" sounds fine to me! [2]. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:10, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

We miss an article on your trophee, seriously! Cat music is not all there is to it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Well, as Google tells me: "Traditionally, it is used by men in the codpiece of costume lederhosen worn." I'll see what I can do! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:21, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

It has come to the attention of the Editor Retentions' Board of Clerks that you may, perhaps, could be, in possession of a much desired and rarely displayed Official Wikipedia T-shirt. The report states that it is black with the The Wikipedia Globe prominently displayed. The report further states that you may have had your name imprinted on the front (potentially an act of vandalism). This would imply that you have already received accolades and "pats on the back" for your efforts. If that is, in fact, the case you may suffer the misfortune of having an additional day added to your week. The issue is under review. You will be advised ASAP. Buster Seven Talk 22:07, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

To be honest, I often do feel just like running away.... But chosing the right t-shirt can be such a delicate task (boyo) Martinevans123 (talk) 22:42, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Many many congrats M. This is well deserved - thanks so much for all you do here at WikiP. MarnetteD|Talk 22:29, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, MarnetteD. That's very nice of you. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:50, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

• All I can say is ... WTF? Softlavender (talk) 02:08, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

• Just chill, Softy. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:44, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

• All I can say is Runaway was one of my favorites at 14 yrs old. Buster Seven Talk 05:20, 28 February 2016 (UTC). You can keep the Award!!! Buster Seven Talk 05:20, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

@Ritchie333:: please confirm receipt of that large Paypal payment, which seems to have paid off this time. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:10, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

I thought we were just going to settle quietly for a pony and a Greek island? Draws less attention to the taxman. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:04, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Darn it, Threesie! There's no need to make a song and dance about this. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:08, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Jeez.... talk about an "embarrassment of riches".... I now appear looking like some medieval ballet dancer, wielding a rustic baseball bat, with a low-slung Bavarian jockstrap and half-mast socks from the trenches. Do you take me for a complete fool?? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:37, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

I count myself very lucky to get this glittering award. A Ram Invents123 (talk) 13:08, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Um....the baseball bat is more of a fungo bat, actually. It's used to hit fly balls to the outfielders during batting practice. And the Bavarian jockstrap is, um, obviously for someone that is well-endowed. Plus, its a Fool card. Not a Complete Fool card. I thought you would like it. The tights have a "slimming" quality, don't ya think? Buster Seven Talk 07:14, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Well, that's me corrected and suitably slimmed. But you know what they say "... wherever the US Army goes, the fungos too. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:22, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

• Richly deserved but surely questions must be asked?! However, a celebratory clue is deserved: 123 across, Confused road tract deals a trump (5,4). As a long term fan of your work I go weak at the knees at this award but supporter wilt is dangerous. By the way, Rob Evans wants to know if he can have his sock back if you've finished posing... 321 Vas Boner (talk) 21:53, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

• Ah yes, boyo bach, you must be one of the "Boners of Bonymaen." Very big in the valleys, by all accounts! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:10, 29 February 2016 (UTC) p.s. those "Buster 7 socks" are a flashy and contemporary fashion statement and I'm not giving them back!!

So long as they are good herding dog socks with a royal pedigree, then hang on to them, but do keep them pulled up. Robevans123 (talk) 23:34, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

Ah, feck!

My Mrs Doyle tribute edit

RIP Frank. Shaken but never stirred. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:47, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Now, and what do you say to a WikiCup? "Feck off, cup!" Mrs Doyle ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:54, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Ah, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on..... Martinhacket123 (talk) 14:05, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

Berlins

That reference was being used to cite the fact that he was born in Marseille. Somehow when the article was expanded the ref got moved to the bit about him growing up in South Africa, where it is indeed useless because SA isn't mentioned.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:09, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks. I do wish folks wouldn't go fiddling about expanding stuff. Neat little articles can get into such a mess. If I find out who was responsible, I will severely reprimand them! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:23, 2 August 2019 (UTC) p.s. "Ich bin ein Berlinser", as they say in Provence.

Well, yes "somehow" was just me being polite :) I used to read and enjoy Berlins' Guardian columns many years ago but had completely forgotten about him until you made that nomination. Might go check out his archive now.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:38, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

I used to enjoy him on Law in Action and always thought Rozenburg was a ruffian upstart by comparison. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:41, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Fat fingered idiocy

"Go spin dude" (as they say in America, I believe)

Sorry about that. The title explains it all.... - SchroCat (talk) 10:06, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

'Sno biggie. Chill thy fat beans, Schro. Could be worse. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:14, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

No biggie? I dont think so. The edit was an disgrace to the eyes of any right thinking, upstanding, saint, whose copy book, like mine, is immaculate. Please resign from your unpaid volunteer work here. ps, [3]. Ceoil (talk) 22:14, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

You may find the finger-breadth reduction exercise (illustrated right) a useful technique. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:38, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Marcel Berlins

On 4 August 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Marcel Berlins, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page.

Spencer^T•C 23:04, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind if I wait 2 and a half days to thank you. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:05, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Who’s Who

Hey, Martin - is the book, Who's Who of British Jazz: 2nd Edition a reliale source or is it like the Who's Who books in America where you pay to be included? [4] I'm reviewing Draft:Tony Russell and not seeing enough coverage in RS to pass the biography. Would appreciate your thoughts. ^Atsme _Talk 📧 12:56, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi Atsme. I would always treat that book, with such a reputable editor and publisher, as entirely reliable. But I have to admit that I can't remember ever using it for any article. You may want to get confirmation from someone like User:EddieHugh, who is a bit of an expert in this area. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:04, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Here's some info from the preface, on the entry criteria: "The emphasis is on musicians who work professionally (or who did so in the past)" ... "Brief histories of a number of pioneering local jazz bands are included but it is not practical to detail all of the vast number of semi-professional jazz groups". And on how the information was collected: "Whenever feasible I have ascertained dates by referring to contemporary newspapers and magazines. This has not always been possible and even the most helpful musician cannot always provide an exact sequence of events" ... "Enormous thanks to ... all those musicians who took the time and trouble to check their entries and to offer additional information".

My conclusion: with the caveat that some of the information in the book might be supplied by the subject, it's an RS for our purposes. The same caveat probably applies to even basic 'facts' for all but the most researched biographies – even Louis Armstrong's true dob wasn't discovered until years after his death, so it's just an aside. As Martinevans123 says, the author and publisher are both well known; it's extremely unlikely that they accepted payment for entry (in any case, there's not much cachet in being included in this book – it's for aficionados). EddieHugh (talk) 17:59, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks Eddie, for your very useful comments. I though you might say something like that! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:01, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

No problem... I just checked... Tony Russell is listed as having died in 1970, which was more than 20 years before the first edition of the book was published. So it's safe to assume independence from the subject! EddieHugh (talk) 18:04, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Even a trombonist wouldn't pay that far in advance, would they? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:07, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

The Hendre

Hi there. The full correct name of the golf club includes the "The", hence my inclusion in bolding the name, however the existing redirect does not. I have submitted a request earlier today at WP:AFC/R for the creation of a new redirect for this however there seems to be a (large) backlog. Perhaps you could help by creating it? Thanks. 80.189.131.73 (talk) 20:35, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi there. Many thanks for submitting your request. I was wholly unaware of that. I don't see why two redirects would not be possible, although I'm also unsure which might the most used. Yes, that might well be the "full correct name" that the club chooses to call itself. But Wikipedia does have its own Manual of Style, which often differs from commercial, or even conventional, usage. I wasn't sure of your rationale for removing the Golf Club Category. Why was that? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:42, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm aware of the MOS and think this one may be more of an anomaly than most, but wouldn't argue about keeping/dropping the The. I removed the category from the parent as I had added it to the redirect so that "Rolls of Monmouth Golf Club" is listed there instead, since that is what would be more expected. 80.189.131.73 (talk) 20:50, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

I think the Category:Golf clubs and courses in Wales should remain as that's what it currently is? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:55, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Currently both parent and redirect appear in the category, so there's duplication. Also The Hendre does not really refer to the golf club/course so I think it does look somewhat out of place in that category. 80.189.131.73 (talk) 21:06, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Happy to get other views at Talk:The Hendre. By all means open a thread there. Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:08, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Emily Taylor

In general I see the lead as a place to say briefly what a page is about, with the details following it in separate subtitled sections. Others seem to disagree, though. Please do what you think best. Bmcln1 (talk) 21:59, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Well the lead is meant to summarise the article. Not have any unique material? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:05, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Well my feeling is that "He drowned his mother in a creek.", so to speak, would go in the lead, and the details of that awful act would come later (distressed childhood, water tasted bad for a week, etc.) Here we have a statement that ET wrote children's books, and the books themselves detailed later, but Beatrix Potter has The Tale of Peter Rabbit in the lead, as it's the most famous one, and the others later. I'm afraid none of Emily's children books are widely read any more, although she has other claims to fame as a writer. Bmcln1 (talk) 22:45, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Our Biddy

It was I who removed this material. At that point they were unreferenced and needed to be removed according the BLP. However, I should have checked the (only) reference provided more closely - as you rightly say, it provides a source for these other comments about BB which I hastily removed. It's a shame that I can't corroborate the comments from John Noakes elsewhere (I would consider The Independent as a slightly weak source on its own), but The Telegraph reports Peter Purves' comments about BB: 'She could be very difficult and she caused angst amongst all of us at various times, but she did a brilliant job.' so that's a better source which already exists in the article. [We both know that The Telegraph is in thrall to its advertisers, particularly HSBC and really doesn't deserve the appellation 'Newspaper of Recored', but that's a different story.]

I should have checked the provided reference more carefully before deleting, and moved the citation so it referred to all the relevant comments. Thanks for pointing this out.

Did you also make a comment about Barbara Plett User? I think it was you... Thanks Fortnum (talk) 13:17, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Yes, it was me. I think you should go ahead and make that move for Barbara. But I think it's Usher, lol. Many thanks for your note re Baxter. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:28, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

lol - 'User'makes her a different proposition altogether. Glad you agree about her though - it's a peculiarly Wikipedia thing I think: the refusal to call someone by the name they themselves have chosen. Thanks Fortnum (talk) 20:40, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

I'm sure we'd all welcome Biddy's input. "... And here's one I made earlier." Martinevans123 (talk) 21:23, 8 August 2019 (UTC)[5]

Mr. Evans, Llangollen

Relative of yours?

Compare:

Whenish will you be backish? – Sca (talk) 16:31, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Good Lord! It's great-great-great Uncle Oakes, a.k.a. Dublin's very own wonderful "King of Spades", a.k.a. Philip Parris Lynott. Sorry, am currently too busy promoting Estonian Kickboxing. But fret ye not, I'll be backish... if only to get that rouge Admin "Sarah Connor" finally indeffed. Indefinitely yours, Eric Hornilons (talk) 20:53, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Hey dude!

Are you, like, OK, man? (That was my Caring Hippie persona – I hope you liked it.) Best wishes DBaK (talk) 08:34, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

As that great deadbeat poet Dylan might have said, "Chill thy contraflow bean, guys". Don't worry, DBAK. Just checked myself in for a month or two at the notorious Betty Ford Clinic for Incurable Remoaners. "Godspeed ye Saint Boris", up-yours-Delors, Huw Mongoose 123 (talk) 21:06, 2 October 2019 (UTC) "No marigolds in the promised land, There'll be a hole in the ground where they used to grow"

Lovely to see you backish! Don't miss my talk today, Jessyeish. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:24, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

So very pleased that she appears on the Main Page. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:30, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

She appears there, after 117k views before already, and poor Günter Kunert didn't because I was too slow improving. Life is not fair ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:15, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Gerda Arendt, is that a deliberate Herbie/Der Weg reference (Das Leben ist nicht fair) or just One Of Those Things? DBaK (talk) 07:12, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Not deliberate but would have been good, Mensch and peaceful revolution on our national holiday. Siegfried today! Did you know that the peaceful change for infobox opera happened on Talk:Siegfried (opera), in 2013, and hasn't been archived? One of my favourite talks, did you know, Worm That Turned? Or did the arbs never look at educated exchange of thoughts between the key parties of the alleged infobox wars then? - Best wishes, Martin! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:01, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Martin, I am delighted to see you dropping in, or indeed dropping out, here. I do hope the clinic is going well – how is Betty these days? I am – of course – loving the links. See you around, cheers, DBaK (talk) 07:12, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Well, ya know... as they say over in Cracker land, ... "Turn On, Tune In, Drop Out ... (give up) with me".... Martinevans123 (talk) 21:40, 6 October 2019 (UTC) ... Betty sends her love.

Jesus, where have you been?

You had us worried. EEng 06:05, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Oy vay! Ah, ya know, I’ve stepped in the middle of seven sad forests, etc. etc.. I think they call it "a working sabattical". Yours, eternally ship-wrecked, Man Friday 123 (talk) 07:40, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Cartoon

In the current Private Eye.[6]--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 14:57, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Ah yes, regrets... seems like the Old Bill has a few of those too. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:41, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

But, did you know (I didn't until doing a web search) that the cartoon isn't fictional?[7]--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:48, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Owch. Some serious airbrushing needed there. Not sure I'd want Ian Watkins anywhere near my thighs, thanks very much. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:54, 4 October 2019 (UTC) p.s. note the habitual Welsh spelling there.

I wonder if the cartoonist Tim Cordell saw the above mentioned article. He has used exactly the same "Now then, now then" tattoo of Savile. Seems like more than a coincidence.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:58, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

New to me, he's quite good, isn't he! No, It's Never Too Much Fun For James. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:23, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Your mission

Good grief, I was afraid it would take some Baksheesh to get you backish. Now get busy & step up to the plate. – Sca (talk) 12:42, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Well, I was hoping for something a little more exotic. I must admit, over at ITN, things do tend to get a bit dizzy. Ali-(Um)-Bongo123-3-3-3-3 (talk) 17:48, 5 October 2019 (UTC) [8]

You could do GA reviews ;) - I had hoped for one for Jessye Norman while on the Main page but the below pushed her off ;) - well, 4 days was a lot, can't complain. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:03, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Well, I guess I could. Jessye's Sieglinde, was probably stronger than Peter's. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:12, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

They played her "Hehrestes Wunder" tonight, which made you believe a miracle happened even on radio. Sieglinde introduces the theme which brings the whole thing to a utopia close. Tomorrow! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:45, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Wow. There's a James Levine Met clip on YT. Just stunning. "Herrlichste Maid!!" Martinevans123 (talk) 21:14, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank your for copyediting the image alts for Clara S. Could you please also go over the wording, - I don't have vocabulary for hair styles and dresses from the 19th century. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:18, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

I have a feeling you’ve come to the right place. EEng 11:20, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Ooooh, worra bitch! "I can see by what you carry that you come from.... Barrytown." Martinevans123 (talk) 12:06, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Peter Sissons

On 5 October 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Peter Sissons, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:24, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks so much, Amakuru. It really was just a very small tidy up. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:01, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Ginger Baker

On 6 October 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Ginger Baker, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:09, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, MSGJ. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:28, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

My jumpers for goal posts were old plastic drums for toms and knitting needles for sticks. Those were happy days. Ceoil (talk) 21:13, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Ron would be so proud of you. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:28, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Nice to see another serious music head back and about, bty. There are not many people I can have a stand up argument with over the finer posints of Nick Drake. Ceoil (talk) 01:34, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you, Martin! I heard the news (and some music) on radio travelling, and it's so lovely to see it all done on arrival, not having to dig up refs for another great soul who left us music. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:01, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

listen! (looks official enough to me) - I had the great pleasure to just have heard his debut in Germany (well, second performance after the premiere last Sunday) and can't believe he has no article, but that will soon change. His Manon - of course - has one. Emotions high! Don't miss that video ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:23, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

[9] has been on my heavy rotation for most of the week. We all know a lot of people who have died, but its not something rock music has ever been good at addressing in the mainstream, a few recent Bob Dylan records excepted. Anyway, Jim Carroll does it for me, and its nice to see Reed play second fiddle for once...much as I love him, he was an attention screaming f**ker. Ceoil (talk) 22:18, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

ps how evokative is it to look back and see Robert Quine rocking out in the vid from this distance, the man was a god. Ceoil (talk) 22:29, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Yes, Quine sure knew how to rock out. He had some hot licks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:40, 12 October 2019 (UTC) the fun begins at 2:02

Quine's finest moment [10] Ceoil (talk) 23:05, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Japan 28 - 21 Scotland

Never mind Scotland. What an incredible match. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:44, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Oh dear. Spare a thought for Joe and Rory. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:14, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Oooooo, now that was tight. Seems Wales have managed to elbow their way into the semi-finals. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:13, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Owch, 3-26... MaPimp-my-Boks.com. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:21, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

Tangerine Dream

Are a guilty pleasure, as are Swoon era Prefab Sprout. No way will I admit to liking these band on my talk page. Ceoil (talk) 18:23, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Haha, yes I know exactly what you mean. Can were always cool. But Phaedra was an utter revelation to me, thanks to that nice Mr Ravenscroft, and Old Beardie, of course. But then I started looking and discovered that music could actually be much weirder. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:28, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

I used to get stoned to Alpha Centauri when much younger and hashish and mushrooms ruled my musical taste. For out and out weirdness, always liked[11], who make pink floyd look like catholic priests. Ceoil (talk) 18:33, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Haha, yes. Those were the daze. If only I could remember them. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:39, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Lucky me that I married a Delia Derbyshire type. Not sure what type she married...prob ...just...nerd.Ceoil (talk) 18:45, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Poor woman. Wasn't she trapped inside a Dalek for 20 years or something? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:48, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

No Idea, bbc was illegal in 80s Ireland. so that dr who stuff its meaningless to me. But however BBC workshop output is AMAZING, maybe except for ther very early (1950s) synth drones Ceoil (talk) 19:10, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

I've always enjoyed the story of the byplay between Ron and Delia “Did I really write this?”, an amazed Grainer inquired after first hearing her version of his most famous melody, with Derbyshire answering the question, “Most of it.” :-) Enjoy your weekend C&M. MarnetteD|Talk 18:58, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, MarnetteD! Just off for my weekly therapy session with Uncle Monty. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:01, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

You are welcome M! MarnetteD|Talk 19:09, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Checking out Phaedra now Martin. Ceoil (talk) 19:03, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

I'm as po-faced and year zero punk rock as the rest of them, but this hits, somewhat uncomfortably, home. The interviewee looks and sounds frighteningly like a younger brother (and version) of [cough]. ([12]. 02:31, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Yay!! Bring it on, Donald Tusk.... Brenda from Bristol 123 (talk) 21:20, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

"Get up in the morning, slaving for Brexit,

So that every poll can be fed...

Poor, poor me, Remain-a-lites."

(leave means "leave it out, mate!")

Thank you

October

... with thanks from QAI

... for comments towards article improvement in Ritchie's case, - nice to be not alone. I typed a lot on my talk this morning, ending on "should be unblocked", - and then found out he was ;) - "don't believe in miracles, rely on them" (Mascha Kaléko). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:27, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Aww. You are very welcome. That takes me back to Colin Blunstone in 1972 (Epic EPC8434, UK #31). Martinevans123 (talk) 13:12, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Today, I am proud of a Márta on the Main page, finally! - Here's my ideal candidate for arbcom. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:09, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

B*st*rds!

Martin, thank you for your wholly ludicrous and totally welcome response to my OMG Sad Git Moment™ thing, which cheered me up very considerably, you b*st*rd! I particularly enjoyed reading, or rather looking at, User behavior analytics. I can see lots of words there and if I really concentrate I can make some of them mean some things – albeit mostly the short words like "and", "but", "Marmite", "valve oil", "mute" etc. I see other words there also but they mean to me not much eek wordthing malfunction malfunction beep beep explode. So I'm, like, thanks dude. DBaK (talk) 18:15, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

I must admit I had rather skipped over petabytes, SIEM and Network behavior anomaly detection.... But I'm pretty sure I do get Advanced persistent threats all the time at this damned place! Lol .... and they have the cheek to call Brexit ""Purge-a-Tory"?!! Mad Monster Party 123 (talk) 18:29, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

The Grays zone

Interesting precedent: 2000 Dover incident.
I swear I ran a search of the Grays article for "Chin" before I added my apparently belated comment, now deleted. – Sca (talk) 12:44, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

As far as the organized crime behind human trafficking is concerned, one wonders how many cases never get discovered, with the dead bodies quietly disposed of. (And no jokes about the tip of the iceberg) Martinevans123 (talk) 14:03, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Well, it was a refrigerated container, wasn't it? I've been wondering whether the 39 were actually frozen, but that seems to have been media speculation. – Sca (talk) 12:50, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Oddly enough, the Grays story isn't in any other European Wikis' versions of ITN. – Sca (talk) 13:08, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Marty Feldman article

Thanks for your edits. Though in 13 years, I've never before joked on WP, I couldn't help but to add the last line. 21:45, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

What a waste. But you have by deep respect. I can only offer 12. "I should be glad...." Martinevans123 (talk) 21:54, 24 October 2019 (UTC) ....after only 13 years, you must learn to sign properly!, lol

Rob

I think for a certain generation, back in the late 70s, this defined integrity. Things have changed though, right is the new working class left and all that mind bending brexit/trump bollocks, I still listen to a lot Billy Brag albums and interviews, but. ps if its not obvious, I am deeply into Robert Wyatt.Its interesting thoughn how things have changed, back in my day the CIA was known for for its support of Regan re central america, so we had Dead Kennedys; now the CIA are heroes - whistle blowers and bastions of institutional American integrity. Go figure. Ceoil (talk) 12:20, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

I know Brag and Dead Kennedys tried to take down the artist/audience thing, buit still, not better than these guys[13], whose public image is normally quite fearsome. See also [14]. Ceoil (talk) 14:07, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Rock Bottom and Ruth Is Stranger Than Richard two of my all time favourite records ever. Both just masterpieces, in my opinion. Timeless. That 2006 BBC Four recording of Gharbzadegi (might just also be on YT) is slightly beyond a masterpiece. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:30, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

I agree. A major point for me is the inquiring, broad musical taste, and uplifting good humour for a man who has been through some pretty dire times. I know the song "Gharbzadegi" very well, usually have heard early on Sunday mornings; ie late during the night before, alas have been unable yet to track down the BBC4 versions you recommend. On-it though, may god help me. Ceoil (talk) 21:33, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

That live version, from BBC Four's Free Will and Testament (2003), with Larry Stabbins on sax, Janette Mason on piano, Steve Lamb on bass, Harry Beckett on trumpet, Liam Genockey on drums, Ian Maidman on vocals and guitar.... is not copyright free alas, although still utterly brilliant. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:38, 28 October 2019 (UTC) p.s. clue: search for "Robert Wyatt performing "Gharbadzegi" lol

Another favourite - "And thought each little song, Was less than three minutes long, Mike squeezed a solo in somehow". Dry af. Ceoil (talk) 21:47, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Found it, cheers Ceoil (talk) 21:49, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

If it had not been for Wyatt, I would never have heard the brilliant Dudu Pukwana and Mongezi Feza and all that other wonderful South African stuff. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:56, 28 October 2019 (UTC) clue: search for "Dudu Pukwana - Mongezi Feza : Sonia" lol

Not really my thing Martin. I'm about drums and bass at heart, sill looking for Afro-Rock re Ginger Baker in Lagos 1971 type stuff. Here is the electronic version, imm[15]. Ceoil (talk) 22:07, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

That's pretty good. Ah yes, drums..... [16] Martinevans123 (talk) 22:14, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

I am pretty, pretty, impressed, listening, nice one. 22:25, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Also 10cc, and esp Godley & Creme had pop nailed. Ceoil (talk) 03:53, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Indeed. Enough to make a grown man... cry. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:54, 29 October 2019 (UTC)... and I still remember feeling quite stunned by that video, back in 1985.

Policy

The almighty rule book trumps logic again. – Sca (talk) 14:34, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Yes. That comes as little surprise! Martinevans123 (talk) 14:45, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

All Time Top 1000 Albums

Dear Martinevans Thank you also, much appreciated -- just showing my ignorance, but you are quite right in putting the book in Itals -- I just did not know how to do it! Any reinstating of the deleted 130 Album Edits would be appreciated -- I dare not put them back for fear of being blocked by MrOllie who seems to be a law to himself!

He has now deleted the chat and has not answered my last communication so I am now at a loss what to do -- but it feels good too have support from JG66 and Rlendog though. RegardsMuso805 (talk) 19:06, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

discussion with another editor
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
copy of last talk to MrOllie Would you please respond to my requests. If your reason for not responding is because of the word vandal, then I will take it back, but I am not going to allow you to make over 100 deletes without having some kind of discussion and arbitration from other Editors. I think what you have done was hasty and you are misinformed about the "citations to research published by a small group of researchers". This book was from the then largest poll of votes (as stated on the cover of the third edition). This book is cited on Wiki many many times over many years. The last book was out in 2000. My main reason for adding reference to this book is to get a fair balance between the Rolling Stone Top 500 and Larkin's Top 1000. There is also many references to 1001 Albums To Listen To before You die -- this book is a collection of albums from a small team of writer/researchers - maybe you are getting Larkin's book mixed up? His book is highly regarded and I think it is important to get the balance right between the USA (Rolling Stone 500) and the UK (Larkin's Book). After all the Rolling Stone book was from writers only -- Larkin's book was a much bigger base of people, including writers, musicians and most importantly the fans like myself. Please enter into sensible dialogue as I hope you will see that what you have done is simply not fairMuso805 (talk) 09:30, 29 October 2019 (UTC). PS I have just seen from the cover of the 3rd Edition it states "Over 200,000 votes from the fans, the experts and the critics". That I hope you will agree is not as you state "your primary purpose on Wikipedia is to add citations to research published by a small group of researchers".

Thanks for the info, Muso805. You may need to take your "discussions" with that other editor to an appropriate noticeboard. No-one can be "a law to himself" at Wikipedia. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:19, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Muso805 (talk) 13:15, 4 November 2019 (UTC)Martinevans123 and Rlendog -- I am also so sorry to trouble you, but JG66 has suggested further opinion from you and Rlendog - if you have time see the following. I don't want to stir it up again, nor do I want to break any rules. "paranoia strikes deep, into your life it will creep" (Stephen Stills)

JG66, so sorry to trouble you again but your experience and advice would be welcome. Just when I thought this was done and dusted I received a note from Swarm saying:

JG66 is warned for personal attacks and edit warring. Beyond that, from what I can see, the merits of the source in question is a legitimate content dispute, not to be authoritatively decided here but by dispute resolution and consensus at a centralized location. Neither party acted in bad faith, and there's really no purpose in continuing to draw out the dispute here. The fact that this thread has continued to degenerate into shaming and bullying is particularly unsettling, and I doubt there is any good will left on either side after the egregious behavior we've had the misfortune of witnessing. Who's more "right" in the dispute is irrelevant to this board—both editors are warned against continued systematic mass editing until the dispute has been resolved in some way, and JG is warned against continued combative conduct, and if any of it continues on either side, blocking is the next step. But beyond that, keep this dispute on the content side. It's unlikely that there is any remaining good will between these editors, and the hostility and aggression is to blame, not the existence of a dispute to begin with. ~Swarm~ {sting} 00:24, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

From what he says (Swarm) can I just forget it and carry on editing as Jehochman stated or is this the equivalent of it being passed to the supreme court. Its all a bit silly -- especially the slap on the wrists you were given this is power posturing at its worst - - lordy lordy, I really cannot be arsed with going now to a 'dispute resolution' -- surely not? Muso805 (talk) 09:49, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Well, whoever Swarm is, they seem to have chosen to override Jehochman (power posturing? – could be), specifically the latter's comment: "I am not an expert on music topics, but if people who know the field think this source is good, it's fine to use it. I am satisfied with the explanations provided." Some admins are just fantastic, in my experience; so much so that, when editing articles, it can be a complete surprise to discover they're admins at all. But the ones who don't edit articles, who simply administrate the whole time, well ... Muso, can I suggest you take this to either Rlendog's or Martinevans123's talk page? My feeling, as it has been from the start, is that the book's absolutely fine and indeed better than so many sources that have long appeared in album articles. Others who weighed in about this at the AN/I supported that view, at least in part, and Jehochman seemed fine with it as a result. I just don't want to lead you astray by saying (again) "Yes, go for it", and you'll no doubt receive less emotive comments from Rlendog and Martin. As you stated early on at AN/I, Rlendog has undone loads of the reverts, yet that too seems to have been overlooked in Swarm's decree. JG66 (talk) 12:46, 4 November 2019 (UTC)Muso805 (talk) 13:15, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure if my suggestion that you were owed an apology constitutes "shaming". But that question aside, I guess a good place to start might be to ask about the source at WP:RSN. If all interested parties are explicitly asked to offer a opinion, then "dispute resolution" might be needed only if there was any disagreement? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:09, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Goud moaning

Goud moaning Marton. Goud nose. The B.B.G reparts Heavy farting in Nort Africa and I was kopt awoke by the soond if stroong bumming on the chinnel cost all nit. The ollies are whining the ware. Simon Adler (talk) 03:56, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Ha, zo! Zat is all very interestink. Yours, The Fallen Madonna with the Big Boobies 123 (talk) 09:09, 2 November 2019 (UTC) p.s. could I possibly offer you a piece of my sister Dolly's upside-down cake??

Ohh Réne! Simon Adler (talk) 04:44, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Ohh Yvette! Martinevans123 (talk) 14:11, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Is this to do with the new coach pf Bayern Munich? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 14:18, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

If only I knew. For all I know, it could be about that other "Hansi". Martinevans123 (talk) 14:23, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

I jyst love that Bayern appointed Herr Flick. Wonder if he has a secretary called Helga? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 16:26, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

These football managers never last very long. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:39, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

Archive

Hi, I've just moved User talk:Martinevans123/Archive 14 out of mainspace. Leaving it for you to integrate into your archive navigation box at the top, or to re-arrange as needed. – Uanfala (talk) 20:15, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks. Not sure how that happened. Nor how you managed to spot it so quickly. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:37, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Fairport Clean Up

Martin, your help please. There is a mess on the Fairport - What We Did On Our Holidays - review section. I tried to clean it up but have made it worse. Hands up - my skills still need some sharpening. Ideally I wanted to revert it to how it was before the change yesterday morning. If you have time or inclination could you add your fairy dust?Muso805 (talk) 10:00, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Hi Muso. Thanks for dropping by. I'll certainly try and have a look. Oi!!! Who are you calling a fairy?? And here's an interview that deserves to be added to Richard's article. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:11, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Blimey Martin!, what took you so long to do it! But thanks anyway.Muso805 (talk) 10:21, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

No worries. I saw them again in August this year and was very thrilled by this guy who played a totally barnstorming set. Playing better than ever. Just wonderful. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:26, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Also - I won't dare put it back in case I am breaking rules - but did you mean to remove the All Time Top 1000 link i reinstated on 4th November after the earlier mass wipeout?Muso805 (talk) 10:29, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

I reverted back to the 15:24, 28 October 2019‎ version as a baseline, with apologies to User:Ronaldo1948. We all now know that the All Time Top 1000 is a very good WP:RS, so please re-add at your leisure, skillset permitting. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:35, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the link - wonderful stuff!Muso805 (talk) 10:33, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Caravan, Seth Lakeman, Richard Thompson and Martin Simpson were also highlights for me. But I managed to avoid the Frank Turner moshpit! Martinevans123 (talk) 10:38, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Gotcha, will do now I know it's safe! (is it safe?, is it safe?, is it safe? Come on now what movie?)Muso805 (talk) 10:37, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

You oughta know that it's never safe at Wikipedia. It's just an endless marathon. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:41, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Most Impressed you got that one! And thanks for reminder, I'm just digging out Martin Simpson's great cover of Blues Run The GameMuso805 (talk) 11:04, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

.... and just in case you'd forgotten how hair looked in the 80s....here's good old "Professor" Magnus in that wonderfully PC Thomas Dolby video.... "Good Heavens Miss Sakamoto, you're beautiful!". Martinevans123 (talk) 12:23, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Agreed, but Howard Jones runs him a close second?Muso805 (talk) 12:50, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

How very true. "What Is Hairspray, anyway?" Martinevans123 (talk) 12:55, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Ronaldo 1948: No worries re the reversion, I have re-added what I had inserted about the various variations in cover artwork. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronaldo1948 (talk • contribs) 21:52, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

"Emma-Emma Thynn... gonna write your name high up on that wheelie bin." Martinevans123 (talk) 22:39, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

punk

I'm not sure its your thing, but I see this as built from knives, and almost an art object; so ruthlessly focused and stripped down it could hang in the Met. The band are seriously under appreciated. ps and not unrelated Ginger interviewed by someone who understands what he is talking about. He seems genuinely flattered when when asked to play some of the rudiments he must have spent years practicing. Ceoil (talk) 22:54, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Ah yes, London's answer to real music. But I know exactly what you mean. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:58, 10 November 2019 (UTC) p.s. I've never actually discovered but..... what exactly are ""PR shoes"?

p.p.s. yes, what a wonderful interview.

Waiting for the man is a good comparison to wire. That recording and vocal is tight as fk, and though I've heard it about a billion times, its still fresh never ceases to amaze; the bass line is *just*. To stretch the art history analogy, Soft Machine are barogue, ginger is early-modernism, the velves are picasso, and wire were Black Circle. Ceoil (talk) 23:18, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

pps; pr shoes are late 60S pimp wear. As were big straw hats. I think the point is that the dude was not a junky and intimidating...fashionably decked out and flush with cash. Visually, I think this captures the scene. Obviously Mick was hugely influenced by Lou. I like the stones vid especially because its full of colour, while the Velves were always shot in black and white. Ceoil (talk) 23:25, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Haha, that's just Mick's sunny day-glo white-jeans stroll down St. Mark's Place to see a drinkin' buddy friend! The mental image I've always carried of "I'm Waiting for the Man" has been far darker and dirtier. More of a nightmare, really. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:57, 11 November 2019 (UTC) p.s. but that Sonny Rollins solo may still be the finest piece of sax in rock music. p.p.s. and thanks for the shoe info, we obviously need an article for Pimp wear of the 1960s....

I get the same buzz from [17], and yes I know it is all very deliberate and stage managed, with low charisma to us plebs etc, but jasus, that some electricity boy. Ceoil (talk) 00:01, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Not sure Martin if your taste goes this far, but [18], is perhaps the best of the 90s, as smashie, or nicey!! might say. Ceoil (talk) 08:36, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Haha, yes they might. "Do you remember the Newcomers on television. mate??" Thoroughly poptastic tracks mate!! Martinevans123 (talk) 10:46, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

You can romanticise the 5.2 Lou Reed going uptown all you want, but the skinny jeaned, gaunt, and give a fuck Keef in this junkie vid is where I am at. ps Cale was cooler than either of them ever was c 1968. pps, Thomas Dolbay's autobio, on my desktop, is amazing; *very* bright dude; up there in rewarding interview stakes with Paddy McAloon. Have a podcast where him and Eno are chatting. Hollly....Ceoil (talk) 11:25, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

.... and here's a different version of a good old classic. Sure works for me! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:52, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

This is geniounly tear jerking.[19] The footage of two hoodie thieving bastards behind sharing their spoils them is icing on the cake. Heroes of CCVT!, although I blame fucking Lars. (talk) 13:12, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Nice version. Surely you mean: "casual young Melbourne shoppers going about their normal law-abiding business"? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:42, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

I love the way she is totally the boss; he pimp walks in with his cache, but is pushed aside and a bitch within 4 seconds. But yes, mostly upstanding citizens; Lars has a lot to answer for. Ceoil (talk) 14:30, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Lost in all of this is sax solos in rock; best has to be David Sanborn. Cool looking dude, good lungs, and worked with Bowie. Ceoil (talk) 22:36, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes, a great player. As far as sax in rock goes, it's hard to beat "a little bit of this and that a little bit of that, oh-oh!!" who has never cased to amaze me when I've seen him play live. My all-time favorite is probably this guy, but then he covered rock, soul, funk and jazz, and of course blues with the genius that was Champion Jack: mmmmmmm. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:00, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

To me, less is more. its like Elgar; bits and pieces are fine, but not so interested in a full blown sax band. In that spirit, here is a nice minimalist tune.[20]. Ceoil (talk) 23:22, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

ps, that king Curtis vid is, wow. Ceoil (talk) 23:27, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes, it's a real gem. "This week I 'ave been mostly listen' to vintage XTC." Martinevans123 (talk) 21:57, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

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Hi Kbrown (WMF). You'll realise why I have mixed feelings about Fram if you care to consult my block log. But I'd be pleased to complete your 3-minute survey. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:50, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

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ITN recognition for Terry O'Neill (photographer)

On 19 November 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Terry O'Neill (photographer), which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:25, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks. I see that the BBC tells us: "He photographed the Queen twice. In 2001 he revealed on BBC Radio 4's Desert Island Discs how he had got her to smile during the second photo shoot in 1992 - a year described by the Queen as an "annus horribilis" - by telling a horse-racing joke." Might be worth adding. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:42, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Sharing the page with Hevrin Khalaf, see my talk for memorial and protest. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:26, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Remembering the dead is today's topic, at least in Protestant Germany. So here we have the sad list of the 2019 deaths so far, Márta Kurtag on the German Main page, and Totentanz, and dealing with the latest, I'm not sure if I heard this, but could very well be, matches this, - I think I remember the Britten. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:33, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda. That's good of User:Klbrain to nominate Stephen Cleobury. I do hope he can help with sources for the CDs. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:57, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Most are sourced now. And no doubt they all exist. discogs has 93 entries, but is no reliable source. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:15, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes, no doubt. But as we know, some editors make a point of not posting unless everything is sourced to an RS. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:35, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

sure, om my way to please them, and still not be late, as for Márta Kurtag, grrrr. Can you read this, and if yes add? Because I seem to have just used Gramophone too much, and they want me to subscribe. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:06, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

same --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:12, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Beati --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:19, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

When did "Archive of Recorded Church Music" get the copyright from BBC TV's Omnibus, I wonder. But yes, very nice. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:29, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Byker Hill

Hi Martin – do you mind if I change the disambiguation on this article from Byker Hill (Martin Carthy album) to Byker Hill (album), as there doesn't seem to be another album with this title, making the disambiguation by artist redundant? Richard3120 (talk) 21:54, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

No, of course not. Go right ahead, that makes complete sense. Thanks for spotting that and for telling me. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:08, 21 November 2019 (UTC) p.s. in fact, I've gone ahead and moved it to save you the trouble!

Cheers, that's good of you. It's not an area of music I'm especially knowledgeable about, but Wikipedia definitely needs to improve its coverage of British folk artists and their music, and you and Ceoil seem to be the only ones doing anything in this field, so good work. Richard3120 (talk) 01:00, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Stephen Cleobury

On 24 November 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Stephen Cleobury, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Kees08 (Talk) 22:36, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Aye, and therefore be you merry, Rejoice and be merry, Set sorrow aside Martinevans123 (talk) 22:43, 24 November 2019 (UTC) BACH: "In dulci jubilo" BWV729

Listening to "Hodie" from the 9 lessons: I reverted an IP who added his first wife and 2 daughters without a ref, but it's in the Guardian obit. Too tired to word that, - could you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:08, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda, I'll try and take a look. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:56, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. I translated to German, took a break before turning to recordings, and noticed the next. He composed a mass for us, DYK 2012, everything in the article was sourced back then, but now, some sources are gone. Sad. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:44, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Maybe we should just stop doing ITN/RD Martinevans123 (talk) 21:49, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Stop putting flowers on graves? Can you believe that Cleobury had no article in German? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:06, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

That is a surprise, I must say. And a very good addition, thanks to you. Well, I guess if someone is suffering enough to write it down, etc.... Martinevans123 (talk) 22:24, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

musical flowers --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:57, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Gary Rhodes

On 27 November 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Gary Rhodes, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:57, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks MSG, even though Gary never used very much. Also pleased to say that this appears to be not a copyvio. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:59, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

RIP Clive James

When Clive met Old Beardie. One of the funniest, driest, most honest writers and commentators ever to write or commentate. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:04, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes. I remember "Clive James in Australia" in the 80s, it being the first time my father and I shared wry, sardonic humour, it was cannot miss TV, but had no idea until about 20 years later that he was also such a renowned critic. Of everything he wrote however, this middle brow vent is prob my favourite, for its forensic humour. Ceoil (talk) 22:47, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Haha. Just brilliant.... "Daenerys can’t lose. After all, she has dragons for an air force. She also has access to the only reliable supply of artificial fabrics in the realm, and on her form a sheer negligee drapes wrinkle-free, like Ban-Lon on a Barbie doll: the Hollywood concept of feminine allure always did depend on a certain insouciance about wearing nightwear by day. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:52, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Now, now, the first two F&I books and first GoT tv series are amazing and submersive by any standards. He does rather cut later through iterations I suppose. Ceoil (talk) 22:57, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for updating List of In Our Time programmes. I see there is still a programme that needs to have the people on it mentioned. Many thanks for your help, Vorbee (talk) 21:34, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

 Done No worries. A few links still needed, I think. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:40, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Clive James

On 29 November 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Clive James, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 01:45, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:05, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

Well done. One thing about these bios, I don't like a long list of professions. If a comedian, for eg, had a ghost bio, is he a writer. Or is is Coogan now a media critic? Frankly I hve a hard time considering James a poet; maybe he sandwiched that in among other accomplishments, back in the day. Ceoil (talk) 07:08, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

In fact he published quite a lot of poetry. He speaks about it in that interview with Mary Beard. He said the things he enjoyed writing most were song lyrics! Martinevans123 (talk) 11:56, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

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Copyright violations

"Best known for..." 15 years of sockpuppetry and picking fights over nothing
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
I removed a copyright violation, in which this exact text was reproduced from a newspaper article: "Humphrys denied interrupting Clarke 32 times in the interview, the source of the complaint. Aitken was subsequently jailed for perjury." You restored the copyright violation. Are you aware that you can't violate other people's copyright in this way? Kaerana (talk) 09:39, 1 December 2019 (UTC) I think those are just facts. If they are not, I think the issue can be easily solved by swapping a few words around. Or even by "a re-write." Your edit summary said "mostly a copyright violation of the cited Independent article." But I assume you meant this article in I-news. The actual ref, placed next to those sentences, was to BBC's 2008 Desert Island Discs which was, in fact, no longer working. So I've updated the url. I'm just re-listing to that programme to see if he does indeed mention the Aitken incident. I can't remember from the first time I heard it. In the meantime, I see that you have just deleted that text all over again, with the helpful edit summary: "do not restore copyright violations. You must rewrite it so that it is not a copyright violation." If you feel it would be more useful to report me to the appropriate noticeboard, for my dreadful misdemeanour, rather than attempt a minor re-write, I guess that's what you'll have to do. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:54, 1 December 2019 (UTC) What possible relevance could it have if they are "just facts"? You can't plagiarise - that's the inviolable rule. If someone removes a copyright violation, don't put it back unchanged. You must rewrite it so that it is not a copyright violation. Kaerana (talk) 10:02, 1 December 2019 (UTC) Wholly relevant facts. I think any "copyright violation" was extremely minor. I don't see how it was "plagiarism" as the source was very plainly provided, with a web link. If you want to step down off your lecture stage for just a moment, you might want to note that the Desert Island Discs programme doesn't mention the Aitken interview at all, and only mentions his interviewing style in general. Humphreys does speak very eloquently, however, from about 36:33, about his relationship with Sanderson and his son Owen. So that might be worth expanding. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:14, 1 December 2019 (UTC) Plagiarism is plagiarism, even if you say "here is where I plagiarised this stuff from". Are you genuinely not able to understand that copying text verbatim from a source is a copyright violation? Kaerana (talk) 10:20, 1 December 2019 (UTC) As far as I know, plagiarism is "presenting someone else's work or ideas as your own", i.e. not giving a source. But thanks so much for the incessant and patronising scolding. It's great editing Wikipedia, isn't it. We all get to collaborate to improve articles. Even by just suggesting minor re-writes. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:25, 1 December 2019 (UTC) p.s. the Aitken topic has been there since this addition by User:Martpol on 14 April 2005. I see that you've been blocked before for not understanding what constitutes a copyright violation. It is unfortunate that this problem is recurring. Kaerana (talk) 10:30, 1 December 2019 (UTC) How lovely of you to check. Why were those blocks given exactly? Perhaps you should compare notes with User:Fram for the indef and month-long blocks he so generously gave me? But the problem with block logs is that they don't explain if and why blocks were subsequently overturned by other more reasonable admins. If "the unfortunate problem" is beyond your powers of persuasion or reproach here, then I guess your duty as a diligent Wikipedian is to go ahead and report me to the appropriate noticeboard. But before we all get sued by I-news (or is it just me, I've never been too clear about that) perhaps you'd better get an admin like User:Diannaa to rush over to John Humphrys and rev-del that dreadful copyvio? Thanks so much. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:39, 1 December 2019 (UTC) They do explain if and why blocks were subsequently overturned. For example, "User has promised not to repeat these mistakes again" after one of them. But you are repeating these mistakes again. Kaerana (talk) 10:46, 1 December 2019 (UTC) "Repeating these mistakes again.. "? These are YouTube videos with embedded "Licensed to YouTube by.." statements, are they? Goodness me, I've just been to check on your "past history". What a surprise for someone so clued-up on copyright violation policy. Anybody might think you were a disgruntled sockpuppet of a permanently blocked editor. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:58, 1 December 2019 (UTC) I see you were blocked twice for sockpuppetry as well so I guess you must know about such things. Kaerana (talk) 18:25, 1 December 2019 (UTC) There is a 10-word overlap between the source document and the article. Martinevans123 is not the person who originally added the content; that was someone else back in August. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 13:42, 1 December 2019 (UTC) 20 words were identical, not 10, and the rest was very closely paraphrased. I did not say that Martinevans123 added the copyright violation originally; just that when I removed it, he restored it, and then appeared not to comprehend that it was a copyright violation. Kaerana (talk) 18:25, 1 December 2019 (UTC) Diannaa, whose skills and advice I completely respect, doesn't seem to share your view of the seriousness of my crime. I'm sure we'd all appreciate a quick demonstration from you of how that relatively modest passage could be re-worded to allow for its restoration to the John Humphrys article, avoiding any copyright violation. Meanwhile, I must warmly congratulate you on keeping a completely block-free and criticism-free Wikipedia career, for all of its 12 hours and 40 minutes. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:19, 1 December 2019 (UTC) Earwig's tool shows the overlap between the source webpage and the Wikipedia article at diff#928738341. The words that are directly copied are "...the source of the complaint. Aitken was subsequently jailed for perjury." (it's actually 11 words.) Earwig's tool shows additional overlap, which consists of quotations.— Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 20:26, 1 December 2019 (UTC) I thought about attempting a re-write, but drew a blank as to how it could be worded differently. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 20:30, 1 December 2019 (UTC) Yes, I thought about that too and also drew a blank. I also have Earwig, thanks to you. To me that looks like a simple statement of fact. But then, it seems, I'm "repeating these mistakes again" and I have a blocklog for copyvio and for sockpuppetry. So I await User:Kaerana's expert "copyvio avoiding" re-word with some anticipation. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:44, 1 December 2019 (UTC) You cannot copy text verbatim from a source. 11 words (which it is not) or 20 words (which it is), doesn't matter. Statement of fact, or something else, doesn't matter - you cannot copy text verbatim from a source. And you seriously cannot think of any way to write except to copy and paste from the source? That's a serious deficiency. Kaerana (talk) 20:54, 1 December 2019 (UTC) You really know how to work collaboratively, don't you Kaerana. I bet you're really popular amongst your fellow editors. Please show us your suggested reword here and we can discus it. Thanks so much. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:58, 1 December 2019 (UTC) Martin - the guy's a troll. Unfortunately, we've a fair number of them. But we also have a great bunch of editors with whom collaboration can be both productive and fun. Leave Kaerana to the time sink, and to themselves. KJP1 (talk) 22:09, 1 December 2019 (UTC) I think it's pretty obvious this person is already an experienced editor, hiding under the guise of a new account. The question when then arises is "why?" I'm tempted to request an WP:SPI. But, as things stand, I really can't be bothered. If they carry on with this level of disruptive hectoring and pointless preaching with other editors, I guess they won't last very long. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:36, 1 December 2019 (UTC) I've rewritten and re-inserted the section and it seems to pass Earwig. Robevans123 (talk) 02:12, 2 December 2019 (UTC) Kaerana, it would have been trivial for you to have provided a diff to the edit in question. Please be more considerate, in future. Geo Swan (talk) 04:16, 2 December 2019 (UTC) It was obvious to myself and to Martinevans123 which edit I was referring to. I find that restoring a copyright violation to an article is disruptive and unhelpful, while not providing a diff is not.Kaerana (talk) 04:35, 2 December 2019 (UTC) Amazing the abuse that one can receive for caring about and understanding copyright. The person previously blocked for sockpuppetry and repeated copyright violations is clearly very unhappy to have their shortcomings pointed out. Kaerana (talk) 04:35, 2 December 2019 (UTC) Kaerana, no-one else seems to think it was a copyright violation. It seems you made a mistake. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:01, 2 December 2019 (UTC) FYI, I have blocked Kaerana as a sock of community-banned WP:LTA/BKFIP. Favonian (talk) 11:07, 2 December 2019 (UTC) Many thanks. Seems the slightly bigger mistake was creating that new sockpuppet account. The phrase "disruptive and unhelpful" springs to mind. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:31, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

So, farewell then...

If it smells like a sock,
argues like a sock,
doesn't help (like a sock),
it probably is a sock.

E Jarvis Thribb (age 17½) (talk) 13:19, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

At least the poor chap isn't a "frightful quare". Martinevans123 (talk) 13:24, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Der Ring in Minden

... finally appeared today, - my opera experience of the year. Part of the hook, "... to listen to the music at the end", would be a good motto ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:39, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Nice one, Gerda! Well done. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:47, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

So, farewell then...

So, farewell then Edgar Sockman.
What a cool cat.
One of Wikipedia's finest Admins,
"More Socks than Faith"
That was your motto.
"You Won't Catch Me, you silly buggers"
Was another.
We all wonder, who'll be Next.

E Martin Thribb (age 57½) (talk) 14:00, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

I looked if I gave them precious more than once, but no, just once. Sometimes I wonder ... 3 for the rabbits and 2 for the bishs (intentionally), 2 for the pumpkins (less intentionally). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:21, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Bless you, Gerda. You're so charitable, you'll pay tribute to any old socks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:29, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Well, my favourite one used to say that his mother told him to change socks daily. He took the pic that I use for those who have just given up. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:06, 8 December 2019 (UTC) ... and he helped with the refs for SMS Scharnhorst on the Main page (but we have to ban such people). ... and he gave me the fiirst tree, and then another sock-lover gave me more, still on my talk, miss him as well. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:13, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Unsurprisingly, I feel ambivalent about socking. If folks feel the need to split up their editing by topics using different personas, I'm not sure that's necessarily wrong. Especially in a desperate attempt to keep track of their growing watchlist. Or even to adopt a silly name to add good content "anonymously". I don't see how that impact's "trust" in a big way. Why, some idiots even seem to try and deliberately choose the most ridiculous names possible, in an attempt to make it a bit obvious. "Multiple accounts" doesn't necessarily mean "abuse" to me. If people always just added good content and didn't get into fights about it, I'm not sure there'd be any problem. But of course they don't. On the other hand, actively pretending to be a different user, to stack votes, or avoid a block, or win an argument, is very wrong. And one expects an Administrator to set an example. I haven't really got the time or the inclination to go back through the thousands of edits made by Edgar and his socks. It looks like 99% of them were "good" ones. But if he ever blocked anyone for socking, I'm afraid he'd get no sympathy from me. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:25, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

well, say something on his talk page now? - I didn't. - repeat precious when it comes? - I don't know yet. For Br'er and Hillbilly and Kiefer and some more, all the time, but I really didn't know Edgar that well. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:48, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

see golden --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:15, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

And then my mind split open

Your earlier King Curtis link, its just, no words. Ive listened about 50 times today, though the figure is very basic, wow what they all do. Its certainly changed how I see electric blues. Ceoil (talk) 20:42, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes, it is pretty seismic, isn't it. There are few words, in fact... but what the hell. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:51, 7 December 2019 (UTC) ... it's only a bit electric

The saxist did a few thing towards the end that made me want to burn the house down. Of course I can'd do that because I'm married and Liz would be annoyed with having no house. Still though, wow. Ceoil (talk) 21:05, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Hey..... Americana of a different, more soothing, kind: Provided to YouTube by Rhino/Warner Records? Good old Robert. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:57, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Socks don't always come in pairs

Socks wear out eventually.	Darn socks
	Sniffing out socks is not only a thankless job, it's a stinky one. Especially for those of us who can't duck fast enough. It gets even worse when it's a drawer full and the feet they belong to is someone we once trusted. Kudos to all the sniffers! SAKE TO ME, BABY!!	Have a big ole vat of sake on me!

How very darning dare you!! I'll have you know that my socks were always meticulously paired. My dear erstwhile friend User:Knucklehead-McSpazatron sends his regards.... he really "put the G in gorgonzola." Martinevans123 (talk) 21:12, 7 December 2019 (UTC) ....but you can't beat a bit a Saaki, can you!

Wiki Pedants Unite in Rage!!

Sad new's: [21]. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:48, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Not sad, appalling. What chaos will result? Greengrocers run amok! Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 12:52, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

I never did trust that Brexit-troublemaker Ted the Teeth. Am thinking of writing a strongly worded letter to St Albion's Parish News. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:59, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes. Good idea. Get Ian onto it! Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 13:02, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi, you need to chill out.

Dude, on a talk page, you were freaking out! I was asking a question! Just chill man, chill. From the Jamal khshooki ( forgot his last name) talk page. New3400 (talk) 01:38, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Hmm. I asked you at Talk:Jamal Khashoggi: "Is this your idea of a joke?" That's not really "freaking out!", is it? Not only was Khashoggi assassinated and dismembered with a bone saw, but Saudi Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman has stated that he bears the responsibility. Sounds pretty certain, doesn't it? Martinevans123 (talk) 08:47, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

You cleared that up, to me it looked like it was serious, but if so, can you show me an article from the prince saying that? Thank you for clearing that up. New3400 (talk) 22:27, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Have you read that article? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:33, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes I have. It just said that he did not leave. To be honest, unless there is a photo of the body, I don't believe it. Sorry if I made you mad. New3400 (talk) 22:37, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

So you missed this:

"In September 2019, Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman stated that he bears the responsibility for Khashoggi’s assassination by Saudi operatives “because it happened under my watch”, according to a preview of a PBS documentary. However, he denied having any prior knowledge of the plot.

Whatever you or I might personally prefer, in terms of photographic evidence, is neither here nor there, is it? What would you expect? A neat photo of his dismembered limbs and torso? His decapitated head perhaps? I'm not "mad", thanks, just a little amazed that you should have any real doubts. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:43, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

References

Okay, I missed that. But, later on, it said that the Turkish government had videotapes of the killing, but we don't have it? It could be a coverup... (P.s yes it sounds like I'm a madman, but I'm not.) New3400 (talk) 23:25, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Wy do you delete facts on the page?.

Hi, I just add an important fact on Daltrey's solo career, which is a coved song by a major French Artist. Why do you keep on deleting it? It does not go against any wikipedia rules...It looks like a useless Tour de Force...Why is this? It's just facts....Documented and referenced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:CB00:3FC:8E00:90C8:6295:DB3E:C8B3 (talk) 14:17, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

I've deleted it once. My edit summary was "unsourced and WP:WEIGHT". Perhaps you could explain why that fact is "important"? And where was the source for that fact, I must have missed it? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:26, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Looking at Take Me Home (Roger Daltrey song) it also seems that your claim may also be incorrect. It says "The song is written by Daltrey himself with Axel Bauer, Michel Eli and Nigel Hinton". There is no mention of it being a cover version. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:39, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Not sure what the original argument was about, but I've clarified the authorship question at "Take Me Home (Roger Daltrey song)" - the song was originally written in French as "Cargo", by Bauer and Eli. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:10, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

As far as I can see, the reversions, by myself and other editors, were over the lack of any source(s) and a question on the notability of that one song. Many thanks anyway. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:09, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Another adage

Old saying in the news biz: "A journalist is a reporter without a job." – Sca (talk) 15:04, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Sightly less punchy, but quite appropriate for this Thursday perhaps: "It is part of the business of a newspaper to get news and to print it; it is part of the business of a politician to prevent certain news being printed. For this reason the politician often takes a newspaper into his confidence for the mere purpose of preventing the publication of the news he deems objectionable to his interests." -Alfred C. Harmsworth (1903) (... who probably wouldn't get far with Wikipedia today). Martinevans123 (talk) 18:39, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Alas, we in the U.S. haven't had the privilege of being exposed to the sagacity of Fleet Street.
One more old saying in the news biz: "A journalist is a man who's missed his calling." – Sca (talk) 18:55, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Shucks, and I thought that was a Wikipedia editor. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:04, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Old Sam said many quotable things, like: "Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please." – Sca (talk) 16:06, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Maurice Mounsdon

On 12 December 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Maurice Mounsdon, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Spencer^T•C 05:28, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks User:Spencer. Yes, his biography following WWII is not well covered in the news sources and obituaries. Perhaps someone with a subscription to The Times would be able to check that one. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:04, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

It’s that time of year!

Christmas tree worm, (Spirobranchus gigantic) Atsme Talk 📧 16:44, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
	Time To Spread A Little Happy Holiday Cheer!!
	I decorated a special kind of Christmas tree in the spirit of the season. What's especially nice about this digitized version: *it doesn't need water *won't catch fire *and batteries aren't required.
	Have a very Merry Christmas – Happy Hanukkah‼️ and a prosperous New Year!! 🍸🎁 🎉

Thanks, Atsme!! By Jove, I do believe... yes, it's the first of the season!! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:02, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Covers

I don't think I'll ever come up with something as flawed but perfect as that JCC cover, but this later cover is how I first discovered Roy Harper. Oh my. Hits on about 50 levels, it slows down, speeds up, and is utterly desolate, far superior to the Cocteau Twins version. Ceoil (talk) 09:23, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Ah yes, very talented guy. And of course, when an old Wikipedian leaves the project, you never know whether he's gone. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:27, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

His "a long time ago" is as evocative as Wordsworth's Lucy Poems. And re Cricketer, yes I know, its been a sad week. Ceoil (talk) 09:23, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

If I was to be honest, I think Roy H would have been deservedly huge, if he wasnt so boring to look at, which is something you cant say about BB, who was strikingly handsome. Ceoil (talk) 09:44, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Some serious drumming here[22]. Its very brief, but just amazing snare work. Pity indie is so four beat orientated. Ceoil (talk) 22:25, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Haha, yes. The amazing Bernard Purdie there. Curtis ever the showman. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:33, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Bass[23] is my main interest, the riff that guy was playing was flashy enough, but quite a dull and obvious. 4/10. Ceoil (talk) 22:50, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Yes, Jerry Jemmott a notable player, still going, with a huge list of credits in his 52-year career. High point for me was BB King's The Thrill Is Gone. He actually played on this and this. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:58, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

No offence, but not a fan of bb king and his indeterminant, cleanly produced solos. Like grove and rhythm, which is why to taken by with King Curtis, but bb was too flashy and played too many notes. Amway, speaking of classics - tune [24]. Ceoil (talk) 23:06, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

I actually got to shake the great man's hand after a gig at the Hammersmith Odeon, about 30 years ago. Probably one of the musical highlights of my life. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:20, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Impressed all the same Martin. My only claim to fame is spending months sharing overnight space in squats with the likes of the brother of the drummer from Ned's Atomic Dustbin. I did meet Stevie Wonder once, working as a concierge in NY. Was behind the desk with a Mexican dude that had almost no English. Wonder was there to meet Oliver Stone....the message sent up was "man in a wheelchair to meet mr Stones". What was the context of your meeting. Ceoil (talk)

I bought a ticket! After the show my mind was so blown that I decided I needed to get his autograph, as it was very unlikely I'd ever get to see him again. A very polite and unassuming man. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:47, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Karim Zeroual

You've been here long enough to know not to create an article at Karim Zeroual (dancer) when a redirect at Karim Zeroual exists. Either overwrite the redirect or don't bother doing anything. Your choice of disambiguation was also entirely inappropriate. GiantSnowman 15:17, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks so much for telling me. I guess you've been here long enough to never make mistakes. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:24, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

This is not a mistake a 12-year veteran should be making. This is something I would expect to see from a brand-new editor. GiantSnowman 16:10, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

And thanks for fixing it. Didn't seem to take you so long. Thanks also for making me feel like a 12-year old. You really know how to motivate someone. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:16, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

p.s. I think next time I'll "not bother doing anything". Martinevans123 (talk) 23:02, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Cheers

Damon Runyon's short story "Dancing Dan's Christmas" is a fun read if you have the time. Right from the start it extols the virtues of the hot Tom and Jerry This hot Tom and Jerry is an old-time drink that is once used by one and all in this country to celebrate Christmas with, and in fact it is once so popular that many people think Christmas is invented only to furnish an excuse for hot Tom and Jerry, although of course this is by no means true. No matter what concoction is your favorite to imbibe during this festive season I would like to toast you with it and to thank you for all your work here at the 'pedia this past year. Best wishes for your 2020 as well M. MarnetteD|Talk 22:29, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks, MarnetteD. I'm more of a Suffering Bastard man, myself. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:11, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks re: Heidegger

Thanks for doing good work on the Martin Heidegger article despite all of the terrible edits that have been happening over there recently. I've lost my patience with all that nonsense but I appreciate your persistence. CCS81 (talk) 06:47, 18 December 2019 (UTC)

I find that article a bit of a battleground. It seems we have two very committed editors who have the agenda "Martin Heidegger = Famous Nazi" and who won't rest until the article makes that abundantly clear. Everything else seems to have taken second place. I also find it a bit nonsensical to fight over what's in the lead section, when there is so much room for improvement in the main body. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:00, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Missing

to 2020

missing Brian

Thank you for what you did for the Clara Schumann article! It's open for peer review, and FAC for Jauchzet, frohlocket!, DYK? We miss Brian who would have helped. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:57, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me. I may try and have look. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:55, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

We miss now Peter Schreier and Harry Kupfer. (You could say Kupfer is ready for ITN.) - I changed the pic caption to 2020, - click if you want to see a familiar pic, listen to our music, get a preview of the calendar images and to music we are going to perform (Bach - Haydn - Schubert - Bernstein - Duruflé, to name just the biggies), - plan your vacation and come over ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:55, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me! I'll not book my flight just yet, though. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:04, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for seeing to the List of In Our Time programmes again

Thank you for seeing to the List of In Our Time programmes again, putting in the details for the programme on T.E. Lawrence. I see the article needs to be updated again - there has now been a programme on W.H. Auden. Are you a member of WikiProject BBC, or WikiProject Radio? In the past when this article needs updating, I have mentioned this on the talk page of WikiProject BBC, but I believe this project is believed to be semi-active. Vorbee (talk) 19:26, 19 December 2019 (UTC)

No worries. Yes, I found yesterday's Auden very good. I hadn't realised that "Funeral Blues" could be read as satire, especially after it's very poignant use in Four Weddings. [25] Martinevans123 (talk) 20:07, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Reports of Prince Philip's death

Are still greatly exaggerated. My crystal ball told me that it was inevitable that someone would do this. By the way, Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda!--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:42, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Diolch yn fawr, Ian! Judging by the recent edit summary from one of his more attentive medical staff, Philip must be getting a bit frustrated... "usual vandalism during hospital visits"! I'm sure he'd be more comfortable in that lovely cottage hospital down on the Isle of Dogs: [26]. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:54, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

Swing

I am new to this too but the swing depends on which way the vote has turned out, I am only familiar with when the top two parties remain the top two parties in that vote if that makes sense. So like if Labour goes down by -5% and the Conservatives go up by 5% then it is a 5% swing, and if there is eg a -9.6% Conservative drop and a 5.4% Labour increase then the swing is 7.5% to Labour, because you use interpolation. If one party climbs from third to second place, I am not quite sure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liamdaniel981 (talk • contribs) 15:47, 22 December 2019(UTC)

Ah, ok. So the relevant template used at Newport East (UK Parliament constituency) is, I think, this one: Template:Election box hold with party link, which in turn links to Swing (politics), where the example given is as follows:

Labor Party 51% (this year) less Labor Party 41% (four years ago) means the Labor Party saw a swing of 10 points (this implies in their favour and can also be published as +10 points)..

So I thought the swing this time was simply 15.8 - 12.1 = -3.7. Or is that too simple? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:04, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

@Liamdaniel981:?? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:34, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

No, that is just the percentage change in a party’s vote. You must have heard the commentators on election night when looking at a result saying something along the lines of “Labour up 6%, the Conservatives down 4%”, then they show you the swing? In that case it would be a swing of 5% to Labour. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Liamdaniel981 (talk • contribs) 13:20, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

So that example, via template advice page, is wrong? Note that the example is for a same-party hold, as occurred with Labour in Newport East. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:05, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

@Liamdaniel981:? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:35, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Okay I think you need to ask someone else about this, you’re bugging me now lol

Haha, I see. Perhaps I can also bug you about remembering to sign your posts? I've added at Talk:Newport East (UK Parliament constituency). Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:51, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

p.s. at Skipton and Ripon (UK Parliament constituency), why is that a swing of +3.0? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:58, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Hmmm

Just curious...what ever happened to Hafspajen? Do you know why he retired? ^Atsme _Talk 📧 17:44, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi Atsme, good to see you! I'm really not sure. Towards the end, myself and HillBilly got a series of semi-coherent messages about somebody taking over his computer. We both thought he was getting a little paranoid. But it made The Trial sound like an episode of The Archers. I've heard nothing since, I'm afraid. I miss his wonderful pictures and sense of fun. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:54, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

St Pierre Hotel Gatehouse

Were you at St Pierre for your work’s Christmas outing. Newman isn’t kind about the Marriot’s corporate overhaul! Enjoy the holidays. KJP1 (talk) 10:56, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

In fact a wedding, this time! Enjoy also! Yeah well, you know Newman, not that fond of roulette tables and hot-tubs. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:27, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

I tend to find weddings, after the actual wedding, get a bit dull, but then I'm a curmudgeonly old git. What a shame you couldn't have sloped off for an hour, say during the father of the bride's speech, shot 3 miles down the road to Caldicot, and got me a shot of Church Farmhouse. Never mind, shall just have to make another trip to the old country myself. Pip pip. KJP1 (talk) 16:55, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Ah yes, maybe next time. See you there, if the weather holds out. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:01, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Assassination of Jamal Khashoggi

On 24 December 2019, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Assassination of Jamal Khashoggi, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Joseywales1961 (talk) 14:02, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks. Do I need to take legal advice? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:42, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome, maybe you could return the compliment for RD nomination 30 December Propper GrechJoseywales1961 (talk) 10:33, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

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Christmas Greetings all

O come O come Emmanuel arr. Sarah MacDonald, Ely Cathedral Choir on YouTube Martinevans123 (talk) 23:21, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

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Happy Holidays

	Season's greetings!
	I hope this holiday season is festive and fulfilling and filled with love and kindness, and that 2020 will be safe, successful and rewarding...keep hope alive....Modernist (talk) 02:13, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks, Modernist. All best wishes for 2020. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:12, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Greetings

	~ Happy Holidays ~
	~ And a Happy New Year! Martinevans123 ~ ~mitch~ (talk) 09:35, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks, Mitch. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:12, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Would you take a look ...

DRP discussion on the Heidegger article here. I think it is worth one last attempt to get a mediated process on this and this could be it -----Snowded ^TALK 07:08, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Oh joy. Inevitable, I guess. I will try and make an input, although I see that User:VeryRarelyStable will not be participating until about a week from today. "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you." - some other German guy. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:10, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Happy New Year Martinevans123!

Happy New Year!

Martinevans123,
Have a prosperous, productive and wonderful New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:37, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:42, 30 December 2019 (UTC) p.s. it's not horn, it's "95-97% calcium carbonate crystals, which are stabilized by a protein matrix", but I guess you're fed up with folks telling you...

Took me a second to figure that out, but, for the record: Eggishorn

Ooh, very lofty! But I still think my version is better lol.

Neil Innes (9 December 1944 – 29 December 2019)

A wonderful entertainer and the original voice of the media: [27]. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:01, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

This is such sad news. So much wonderful music. I will just leave this in tribute. MarnetteD|Talk 23:07, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

An immense talent. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:18, 30 December 2019 (UTC).... of course, The Rutles all began really with the Bonzo's 1967 "Equestrian Statue": [28]

Neil on "sax" here, I think. .... and Hello, Mabel

Gwent County History

You'd never guess what I got for Christmas. KJP1 (talk) 10:50, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Haha, no. How lovely. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:55, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

I'm jealous. I've only got Volume 4... To save KJP1 some typing there are some examples of refs in Gwent (county) (ref no. 3 defined in reflist) and in St John's Church, Abergavenny (ref no 9. embedded in text). Happy editing and a good new year. Robevans123 (talk) 12:00, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

I'd never thought of the Donald with blackface before... but yeah, Green Eyed Monster sounds about right! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:16, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Robevans123 - It is indeed a lovely collection. If you ever need a cite until, as I did, you bully your nearest and dearest into buying you the full set, just give me a shout. KJP1 (talk) 12:19, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you - will do! Robevans123 (talk) 13:22, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

The countdown

Martin, thank you for the work you do, and for all you’ve done over the years to build a quality encyclopedia. And a special thank you for helping us see the humor in it all!	2020!!
	Out with the old, in with the new!! I'll remember 2019 like it was yesterday! Remember, a New Year's resolution is something that goes in one year and out the other. Definition of a hangover: Wrath of Grapes. What kind of doctor fixes broken websites? A URLologist. 🎉🥂🍾🎊 Atsme Talk 📧 14:01, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks, Atsme!! Have a great time. Although I'm sure it's much easier to enjoy the fireworks from here, than it would be standing on the beach at Mallacoota, with nothing but the clothes you're stood up in, while your house burns down in those other fireworks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:15, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

... sorry to be such a "wet blanket", Sheila...

New Year's

How was your New Year's Eve? Safe & sane, or fun?
Unfortunately, today I'm suffering from a severe case of Trumpregierungsschlamasselschmerz. – Sca (talk) 15:10, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Eeeeewwwww! ....or, as we say in Wales "ych a fi." That's sounds very nasty. Glad to say I was cosily tucked up with Jools, a chilled Pouilly-Fumé and Cwmaman's finest: [29] Crazy Nancy Evans 123 (talk) 15:26, 1 January 2020 (UTC) +handy link

Having done my humble duty by ITN and MP/E, I'm off to immerse myself in the closing chapters of Simon Winder's Lotharingia, which I think you might find as intriguing and occasionally hilarious as I have. His running commentaries on medieval to 19th C. Europeans are glib and witty – sometimes rather too witty – and as history tomes go wildly entertaining. – Sca (talk) 16:19, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Many thanks for the tip. Simon Winder not previously known to me. Looks interesting! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:24, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Actually he touches on the early 20th C. too. Sca (talk) 18:14, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Advice please?

Dear Martin, I literally don't know what to do about this and I am already sick of it before I've even started. I'd appreciate your advice, although, actually, my just throwing Teddy in the corner and stomping off with alcohol on my mind, then in it, also seems a strong and quite tempting option. Please, if you can be *rsed, have a quick look at these contribs and User talk:Lewys G where you will see a couple of people, including me, trying to reason with someone on what seems to me to be a slightly odd crusade. I don't want to take it to ANI where all the portents are that everything turns to sh*t quite fast, and the user is taking no notice of me – which is fair enough, why should they? I could perhaps talk to a specific admin if I could ID someone who might be interested, but equally I might do best just to walk away and let stuff happen. My user page, as you well know, is full of little (nauseating) cute bits telling me not to get involved. Indeed there is a nice (nauseating) paragraph on how every "helpful" user intervention I've ever tried here has turned to that same substance. Shall I just stfu and let nature take its course? Yes, I'm annoyed by the user's terrible (imho) edits but no-one will die as a direct result if every one of them stands for the next century ... gah! Cheers, and yours per my username, DBaK (talk) 19:39, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Dear Knackered of Tunbridge Wells, ah yes, what an utter and extremely pointless waste of time (although, yes, that is a reasonably accurate summary of my own Wiki editing career). A real one-man crusade, it seems. There may be a case for mentioning the No.2 song denied a top place in notable instances. But unless there are (multiple) secondary sources that mention it, it's just useless trivia, as far as I can see. I will have a closer look later. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:55, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

I salute your wisdom and kindness, thank you. It's just – argh! All that energy wasted. It is starting to attract other attention too, so I fear that I should probably just get a drink and watch it all go pear-shaped whilst regretting I that didn't do better! Cheers, and hic, from Tunbridge Wells (in spirit [both ways]) DBaK (talk) 20:04, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Adiós?

Still in España?

– Sca (talk) 17:52, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Ha! I have no more to report on that matter. Good heavens, nobody expects The Spanish Inquisition!! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:59, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

REminded me of this nash. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 18:05, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Seems to be much longer than expected. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:18, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

But U were rt. – Sca (talk) 16:13, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Thanks so much. How very thoughtful! Wow your memory is just amazing. But you are almost 12 hours early. Please come back later to help blow out the candles on my cake. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:35, 3 January 2020 (UTC) 13 years, eh? What is it that folks always say... "hey, you get less for murder" etc. etc.

Happy anniversary M!! Thanks for your editing over the years. Thanks even more for all the interesting links to relevant (and even irrelevant) info :-) Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 18:01, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Marnette! Ah yes, that would be my Specialised Subject for the feared black chair: [30] Martinevans123 (talk) 19:35, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Seven years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:38, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Happy new year Martin!

Oh I was ill..very very ill. So ill I only have a vague memory of Christmas night to New year's eve. Strange delirium, dreams where I HAD to count to thirty seven, with a compelling narrative structure, which made this compulsion somehow important, a dream where I had to protect all rabbits, come what may. So I had a glorious virus, which put me in bed for six days. Temps of 100 plus. So I have been off line lately. Seriously appreciated your kind message though. Love you Martin. Si. Simon Adler (talk) 04:34, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Happy New Year Simon Adler and Martin! --DBigXrayᗙ 19:42, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Sorry to hear that Simon. And glad you are recovered. I don't often have dreams that weird. I'll get Threesie to post you one of his "oven-ready Euro-kittens". Love you too tiger!! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:55, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Wars

These are tough times, with all the war mongering. How do you think, it will go from here onwards ? War ? skirmish ? nothing extraordinary ? I saw the video yesterday, when I saw Suleimani's corpse pic. Quite gruesome, it was. --DBigXrayᗙ 19:41, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

I have no idea. I'm surprised there was any corpse left to bury. And to think that we UK people, in our recent Christmas Fayre charity lottery, were worried about this guy and the big red button. Wow. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:46, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Well, you know, they fired 2 Hellfire missile each on both vehicles, just in case, one wasn't enough. Indeed, it was in bits and pieces, I think his ring in a severed hand and the purse was how they identified him. The purse had (among others) an Irani 100,000 Rial note, which I thought suits a general. I had to google it to find it has a value of 2.4$ only. I have no idea about Corbyn or his approach to the red button, so please enlighten me. Here we only hear about Boris. --DBigXrayᗙ 19:57, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

The electorate's "problem" with Jezza was that he made it clear he'd never use it. Of course the last real Labour PM we had probably would have just let Dabya use it for him. Mr Corbyn has a bicycle, has an allotment and makes damson jam. But he's not too keen on bagels. Allegedly. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:12, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

I see, probably bad campaign managers did their damage. TBH, I was surprised Boris was re-elected. I was hoping Corbyn would have easily won considering he had Boris to defeat. Clearly I knew very little of the UK politics.--DBigXrayᗙ 20:24, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Don't worry you weren't the only one who felt utterly shocked and physically sick on the morning of 15th December. Still, I love it when Boris does his squirty flower thing and those two panels of hair rise up either side. He was a great Mayor of London and had those super climate emergency bikes too. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:32, 7 January 2020 (UTC) still, all ready now for our go-ahead and invigorating new trade deal with Uncle Donald Sam!!

A barnstar for you!

	The Civility Barnstar
	Just here because you were prolific on the TS Eliot talk page & your good sense etc was noted! (Also, enjoyed chuckling at your userpage). Cheers! gobears87 (talk) 01:33, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

You are too kind. This place sometimes looks like a Waste Land. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:27, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Dagnabit I missed this reply - excellent pun!!! And, yes. --gobears87 (talk) 01:34, 4 February 2020 (UTC) OH! EDIT: it was a DOUBLE pun. Impressive!

'Stampede'

I'd hazard a guess that those surging tens of thousands, trying to get near the coffin, in Kerman, were not "frightened".

Initially, probably not – but wouldn't you think many became very frightened after people started getting trampled to death? I expect that's the way these things develop. Inserting human before stampede would have allayed most objections. Oh well.

(If only we could get that dopey darts blurb outta the ITN box. And moving south, doesn't Sheikh Mujibur Rahman look a lot like Marx?)

Having done my worst by WP, I can retreat into my current historical tome. It's largely about the Middle Ages, when humankind lived in perfect harmony. – Sca (talk) 18:55, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

I'd also hazard a guess that those who did get near the coffin were indeed frightened when being crushed to death. Maybe there was a lot of running. I don't really know. And maybe most of the world's press, who have reported it as "a stampede", don't really know either. Too bad my Persian isn't quite up to any analysis of semantic subtleties in the primary sources. But when I hear the word "stampede", for some reason I think of the Wild West and Bonanza. Ah yes, the Middle Ages, home comforts with a few foreign excursions. Lovely. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:16, 8 January 2020 (UTC) ... lol "I could dance with you till the cows come home. On second thoughts... "

The most powerful word in English

BBC says it's 'the.' I thought sure it would be 'iconic.' – Sca (talk) 13:41, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Of course. And this must be UK's most powerful band. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:45, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

You mean to tell me we're living in a post-punk world? – Sca (talk) 14:28, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Listen mate.... some of us are still happy living in the early prog rock world. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:32, 10 January 2020 (UTC) [31]

Some of us prefer the 18th Century – at least Hélène's version thereof. – Sca (talk) 16:13, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

She'll play at our local festival this summer, Ravel - am on vacation - made new year's resolutions --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:27, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

— As the noted Professor Cosmo Fishhawk says in Shoe, I've had the same New Year's resolutions list since 1979. – Sca (talk) 19:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC).

Yes, that should be wonderful. But enough of this Euro Culture, I say. Let's Get Brexit Done! Bring on Donald's Chlorinated Goose! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:44, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Done. I read in an article that someone toured Europe, UK and US. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:20, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Are you living nine feet underground? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:32, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

lol. You can't beat a bit of Swedish death, can you. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:27, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

For some odd reason, this thread brought this into my head. Makes no sense, but now wisting that they would go back to scandi noir. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 12:08, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Haha. As if they were ever very noir! This a classic. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:43, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

It is. Here's the missing link. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 18:14, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

(English) subject of my first article composed a sarcastic Brexit Quartet, a string quartet. He got a German passport before doing that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:33, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Graham Waterhouse? How very intriguing. He's very lively, reminds me a bit of The Lost Jockey: [32] Martinevans123 (talk) 22:39, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

He composed less sarcastic works such as Gerda's Halleluja, officially Halleluja St. Martin, not notable ;) - premiered in 2010, revised officially in a concert with the 2020 piece with the golden image at "your" church. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Church of the Cosmic Skull

A mate told me about this group and forward this to me. Crikey, I didn't know anyone (except me) did this stuff these days. I think they're just about notable for a WP article now, so I've stuck one up. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:58, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Appros of nothing

I say this in all seriousness, But if it wasn't for Giorgio Moroder, we would'nt have had A HA. Fine he also made disco respectable and layed the the drum pattern for Acid House[33], but my guilty pleasure off-shoot of 1970s elect innovation is late 80s electro pop; please don't tell anybody. PS hope xmass went well and thanks for the card. Ceoil (talk) 02:11, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Ah-ha, I can understand that, knowing your taste. For Giorgio, I have the greatest respect. Italian electronica does click with me. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:17, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

wow, that Franco Battiato album is eery. I think I may have shared this[34] before, but is similarly haunted. Ceoil (talk) 17:27, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes, but particularly fond of "Propiedad Prohibida". That pink noise stuff also quite interesting. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:39, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes, "Propiedad Prohibida" is very interesting, I do like open cords and drone. That avenue met its logical conclusion with Sunn O)))[35], a band that didn't release albums so much as meters/yards/feet of the same thing over and over, deliriously fantastic as it is. Ceoil (talk) 18:35, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

These people to me Martin are the 2010s equiv to White Noise[36] They sound like what Frank Zappa would have sounded like...if he had ever realised what he was aiming for. Anarchy in the USA. Ceoil (talk) 17:48, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Ooh, now that's really good. Ace vid too. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:53, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

yeah, and its this dude. ps Coogan's take on a Sligo farmer has more or less brought down the government over here. Ceoil ([[User talk]:Ceoil|talk]]) 18:16, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

A great band and a stonking track. What a debut. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:02, 11 January 2020 (UTC) lol

I saw your edit summaries - yes, thats what happened. Coogan's impression[37] really took off on r/ireland, that man could run for president here, it was so close to the bone. Liz (wifey) is American and said as we were watching "Jasus yer man sounds exactly like ye". Ceoil (talk) 20:14, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

The love child of Paddy McGinty and some cheap lousy faggot. To be sure! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:21, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm noticing that utube vids related to the 90s are now interrupted by ads for sight and hearing loss. The internet thinks I'm going to die. Ceoil (talk) 05:10, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Roger Scruton

On 13 January 2020, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Roger Scruton, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:16, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, from the Northern Line. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:20, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Martin. Is any admin watching. Gudrun Pausewang (ITNN 23 Jan) was more or less ready yesterday, was marked "ready" before rehearsal, and is still not on the Main page. I was told there (also yesterday) "calm" but find it hard. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:02, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Well, she is now, about the same minute ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:03, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Scandi noir

Hi Martin, I noticed that you changed my spelling of "their next-door-neighbour" to the US spelling. Care to expand? All the best! Gareth 16:13, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

I certainly did not mean to do that. Please go ahead and revert! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:17, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Already had! Reverted before posting here. Gareth 16:20, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

"Well, well, well." I found the dramatic ending of part 1 a little contrived, but no less enjoyable for that! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:34, 14 January 2020 (UTC) WTF

I agree. It seemed too convenient that FBI Special Agent Maggie Griffin just shot him dead. A well-produced series. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 16:45, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

"At least I got to shoot the f**ker"! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:51, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Last night, I thought I was watching a noir line of duty. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 14:02, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

No plot spoilers, please... I have yet to catch up! Martinevans123 (talk) 14:08, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Hmmm yes, I see what you mean... pretty intense. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:37, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

@Gareth Griffith-Jones: Woahh! Dramatic ending! Great stuff. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:14, 25 January 2020 (UTC)

Isn't it! ... the best Nord-noir ever. Since the last one. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 11:32, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Fool

Sorry there was no edit summary. I pressed publish too quickly and didn't get a chance to come back to it. I was reverting (I thought) the duplicated inclusion of 'FOOL, ICAO name for Léon-Mba International Airport' which is already under 'Other Uses' Robynthehode (talk) 20:59, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Ah yes, I see. Not sure why I didn't see that. But I think The Fool (design collective) still needs to be added?Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:30, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes please re add that example if you wish Robynthehode (talk) 22:58, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

In fact not. It's also already there, but under "Music". So thanks for the revert. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Nomen est omen?

Artificial intelligence in action. – Sca (talk) 19:01, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Take a bow socially-awkward Mark.... now sponsored by The Donald, I hear. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:08, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

I kept checking Reuters to make sure this wasn't F-nooz, but apparently it actually happened in the world in which we live in. Stranger than the B-Report.– Sca (talk) 19:19, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

He will be missed

Hello M. I just saw this news about Jimmy Heath. The list of people he performed with is amazing. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 17:28, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes, 93 years of age and what an amazing career. He's on Hub Cap, one of my favourite Freddie Hubbard albums (especially "Osie Mae", on which he takes the second solo, and which is just utterly wonderful). Martinevans123 (talk) 19:40, 20 January 2020 (UTC) ... The re-mastering of the classic 1960 The Thumper was so good it sounds like they're all in the room. Superb: brother Albert on drums

Wonderful music M. I always appreciate the links you leave and am amazed that youtube seems to have everything that was ever recorded on the planet :-) MarnetteD|Talk 20:07, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes, there's a lot of Jimmy Heath, fortunately, including some later years interviews. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:08, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Body and Soul

Hi, this main page should really be the article on the tune, not a dab page of zillions of albums named after it. Can you do whatever it is when you tag it and propose for it to be the main article on the tune and the rest moved to a dab?♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:46, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Howdy, Doc. Long time no see. I didn't realise I was going to tag it. Thanks for the premonition. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:14, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Um, wouldn't you just move that first entry up to the top and tweak slightly:

• "Body and Soul" is a 1930 popular song and jazz standard, and the title song of many of the albums listed below.

And then change Songs to Other songs? That section of "Entertainment" looks a bit redundant in any case. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:48, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

You want to get rid of the "(1930 song)" bit from the article title, yes? Martinevans123 (talk) 23:30, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Maybe Eddie can work out what you want, lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:26, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

@Dr. Blofeld:, looks like this can't happen. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:10, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Body and Soul is one of the most covered, popular songs of the 20th century!! I guess the younger generation don't know it very well, oh well. But when somebody says "The Avengers" I think the 60s TV series, and seeing the dab on Avenger look how far down the page it actually is. Times change and not always for the better!♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:35, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

"Hmmm. Youth of today! Just try telling 'em..." I guess you must mean the Times. Re: the Coleman Hawkins classic... I'll probably just light a candle on 25 March. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:49, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

January 2020

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Thanks for telling me (off again). Just to remind myself, here's the source I think I used, from The Times: [38]. And I believe I included that entire quote form Heseltine: "That is probably right. But if you have your hands tied behind your back and no cards and a very skilful negotiator on the other side of the table, led by a very experienced merchant banker, Kenneth Keith, I defy you to do any... " which I assumed wasn't under copyright to The Times. Perhaps it is? I must have thought the remaining material I added was necessary fr context and couldn't be written any other way to keep the exact sense. I'll have to try again sometime. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:11, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

It's okay to use the quote, but it's not okay to copy the surrounding prose unaltered. If you can't figure out a way to re-word it, leave it out.— Diannaa (talk) 22:50, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

So I tried again. If this is still judged, by you, to be an unacceptable a breach of copyright, could I possibly request that you tell me again and not block me as a persistent violator, as you have again threatened to do? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:46, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Emiliano Sala as a Cardiff City player

Sala was included as a player for the FA Cup match against Reading.[39] This seems odd, because Cardiff City is still arguing that Sala was not officially one of its players at the time of his death, and that it should not have to pay the £15 million fee.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:43, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes, an odd situation. You'd have thought that any large business like that would have some kind of explicit rule for this in an employee's Ts&Cs. Sala certainly shouldn't have been included in any team list until he had signed his contract. If he had signed, the fee should have been paid. But it's not clear if he did? The article says: "Cardiff have argued that they shouldn't have to pay any of the fee as the Argentinian never signed the final version of his contract - a stance Nantes have strongly rejected." Even if that is the Daily Mail. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:12, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

A well written article from the WP:DAILYMAIL (which they are capable of doing), but will they ever live this down? As for Sala's status as a Cardiff City player and the £15 million fee, the lawyers are still arguing and the appeal is scheduled for "spring 2020... A final award is not expected before June 2020".[40] Watch this space.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:32, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Six tonnes!! I always keep mine trimmed to a mere five. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:52, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

ITN/C

Thank you for thanking me on ITN/C, though I ended up having to revert my comment. Sometimes it's a bit difficult for me to restrain myself.--WaltCip (talk) 16:46, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I know how you feel. It kind of struck a chord. So pleased you weren't indeffed. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:10, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

What's occurring?

Good news maybe Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 16:31, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

I loves Nessa, I does.... even if she is 54 Martinevans123 (talk) 16:35, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Ruth Jones was born on 22 September 1966 (age 53 years) in Bridgend so they are keeping close to real life. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 16:45, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Who cares about real life when you can have a day on the slots! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:47, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Mozart's birthday is occurring, and I began expanding the Vespers with Brian's collected sources, - a huge legacy. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:39, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for reminding me..... but these Salsa Sisters are doing it for themselves. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:02, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Gerda for that.
What a wonderful performance, Martin. Many thanks for the YouTube link. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 11:53, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

It was so fun to see those folks again :-) Do either of you know if there is a list of Nessa's jobs somewhere on the interwebs. I know it wouldn't be allowed here at the 'pedia due to WP:TRIVIA concerns but it sure would be fun to have them all in one place. I hope both have a crackin week. MarnetteD|Talk 20:22, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

"Flat in Westminster... full use of one of the Jags... ...but getting home and soaking your knuckles in a bucket of ice, is no way to live for an attractive woman." Martinevans123 (talk) 23:10, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

That's what I'm talking about :-) I may have had almost as many jobs as Nessa but I didn't have half as much fun in them :-D MarnetteD|Talk 23:58, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello Michael! What a treat to find you over by-'ere this morning. Didn't know you are fan of our famously entertaining TV show.
I trust Martin has opened his last bottle of "for special occasions only" ... Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 11:42, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

We did used to have a separate article for Vanessa Shanessa Jenkins. But of course it got deleted, as media trivia. You don't know what you've got til it's gone. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:26, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

What's occurring today? The kiss of justice and peace, pictured, - goes well with my visions. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:19, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Gerda.
Oh dear! What have I started? this could go on forever. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 11:15, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

imagining the kiss forever --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:49, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Great work on Psalm 85, Gerda. People forget that Milton wrote hymns. The only one mentioned is his article is "Let us with a gladsome mind". Martinevans123 (talk) 12:34, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Expanding Psalm 85 was a - as other psalms - a joint project, mostly with Yoninah, also Alephb and others, ongoing, - you can help! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:06, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I was aware. Yoninah always makes some great contributions. Not sure why Let us with a gladsome mind (hymn written in 1623) has only one of its seven verses. Is it really still covered by copyright? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:29, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm sure it doesn't, sofixit. I have enough German hymns to handle, some with 15 stanzas, - same mindset, it seems. The poet said "let's search for joy" to his wife, after most of their children had died in the Thirty Years War. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:03, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

He was only 15 when he wrote that one! But yes, I will try and add the others. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:16, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

"only 15" reminds me of this mature work, on my wishlist, also Beati (will sing that in March). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:21, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

The old ones are often the best ones. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:24, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Roger Nichols

Hi there. I left the Google search information in the ref so the link would go directly to the firing, but I won't contest your trim, not being sure about the formatting. I'll see if I can access the book directly for a better ref. I see you have expressed concerns in your edit summary about Roger Nichols' firing meriting a subsection. Nichols' importance to the band is self-evident. The firing was not public record until 2018 when Brian Sweet updated his book on the band. I expect more information to surface about this termination, if indeed it does not already exist. Cheers! Jusdafax (talk) 21:54, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Nichols' importance is indeed beyond doubt. I guess I just don't like one one-sentence sub-sub-sections. I wasn't sure why it wasn't just the second paragraph of the preceding sub-section, where it fits chronologically. With your permission I'll format the ref anyway. The link should still go directly to page 445. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:00, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Seamus

Thanks for your thoughts on Seamus. I don't think it matters at all, as it seems to be a matter or a few 100 metres one way or the other. A linked mention is best, as you say. I'll leave it with you if you feel strongly. Merry Imbolc for yesterday; festival of snowdrops and the triple goddess. (I don't know much about image policies). x Anna (talk) 13:09, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Anna for that lovely picture. I don't have strong views on that, just seeking to avoid redlinks in the infobox. Surprised that I'm unable to find an image on Mossbawn on the net. It was featured in that BBC television documentary last year: [41] His brother Hugh is still there, I think, with his chickens. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:22, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

As far as I can tell Mossbawn is the farmhouse or tiny hamlet around it. I love that link you posted of Seamus talking about the town and the farm. I do miss him still. I saw him read many times, getting progressively more frail and shaky in his last years; bent and palsied. Such a gentle man, full of grace. His memorial at the Southbank was a beautiful event, full of friends, his and mine. Not a dry eye in the house. Many friends of mine have encouraging letters that he sent to them as budding poets - he seemed to always reply to personal letters. Such a power house for education in the UK and Ireland; Ted Hughes too - they were great personal friends. x Anna (talk) 13:58, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Yes, the farmhouse. Is that it? I found that image, but it seemed untitled. I had thought it was a more substantial place. It can be seen in the documentary at about 5:10 - it's No 126, Hillhead Road (you can see it on Google Streetview). Martinevans123 (talk) 14:01, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Please have a look in

...at the Sanna Marin article, where I began citation checking after a student reported finding discrepancies between sentences and their appended citations. I have corrected what I have found, but was only able to do so by further citing her self-published autobiographies. (The title subject has at least three of these that are cited, and all—in this professional's experience—were written by her, and then posted by the various venues.) In truth, the article has about 25% self-published material, and if the early research we did is representative, there will be a lot further correcting required before it can move to being a GA. Cheers, will keep looking in, but wanted to let another involved editor what was going on there. [a former prof.] 2601:246:C700:19D:21CA:6537:9D1B:A204 (talk) 19:19, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite. I'm not sure the "self-published autobiographies" are much of a problem, if it's non-controversial material. Might even be expected to be more accurate than some newspaper reports. Also don't see what's wrong with a second image of her. After all, she is a politician, not an academic. Although, as User:Bus stop would no doubt tell you will definitely not tell you (as they not maintain any dogmatic position on action shots versus non-action shots), an "action shot" is probably better, if available. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:00, 4 February 2020 (UTC) p.s. may be some way before it gets nominated for WP:GA

I basically consider all things, including intangible factors, in preferring one image over another. I don't take some kind of a dogmatic approach that I have decided upon in some earlier decision-making process. I might have spoken about "action shots" but that was in relation to weighing one image against one or more other images. Thank you for pinging me. Bus stop (talk) 22:14, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Sounds very reasonable. And Marin hasn't even got pigtails. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:19, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure if "pigtails" translates into Swedish. Bus stop (talk) 22:41, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Will Norwegian do? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:48, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

The thing is there has been no preference expressed by me for the "action shot". I can chose to favor one photo over another because one shows "action" and the other shows passivity in a given instance. You say "as User:Bus stop would no doubt tell you, an 'action shot' is probably better". I appreciate being pinged and having this opportunity to say that in fact I do not maintain any dogmatic position on action shots versus non-action shots. Such a distinction is merely an argument I made relating to choice of or placement of an image in one specific instance. Thanks for this opportunity. Bus stop (talk) 17:24, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying, so clearly, what you can chose to favour, in terms of one photograph over another. I have now duly adjusted my comment above, in line with your very clear explanation. I trust my earlier misrepresentation misunderstanding based on a logical deduction from what you said, of your position on photo comparisons will not negatively impact your future at Wikipedia, or indeed affect your personal credit rating. I would also like to take this opportunity apologise to 2601:246:C700:19D:21CA:6537:9D1B:A204 for any confusion caused about your preferences in the selection of photographs for articles. Furthermore, I'm sure there any many popular hair styles, available in very many parts Scandinavia, that do not involve braids, whether visible in photographic "action shots" or not. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:50, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

I don't consider your characterization of my position as a "misrepresentation". You made a logical deduction from what I said. Bus stop (talk) 19:07, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying, so clearly, my earlier misunderstanding in my interpretation of your remarks. I have now duly adjusted my comment above, in line with your very clear explanation. Perhaps there is counselling available, through the right channels, if you feel this episode has left you or your hair traumatised or damaged. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:18, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

The pigtail phenomena is somewhat undefined. The significance of pigtails is not known in a general sense. This is similar to the conundrum that sometimes arises concerning images for ledes of articles. Generalizations about images are valid up to a point. But beyond that point they are "over-generalizations". Bus stop (talk) 19:48, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

I would not want to suggest for one moment that the significance of pigtails is known in a general sense or that the pigtail phenomena is well defined. Perhaps someone should look at the lead images in the articles of all people who are known to wear, or have ever worn pigtails, and see if there is an effect. I'm not even sure if Sanna Marin is a candidate. (Notwithstanding the likelihood that we will never obtain a copyright-compliant image of her wearing this hair style). I can confirm that, to the best of my knowledge Yul Brynner never wore pigtails. Nor did Friedrich Engels. To name but two. But then they weren't from Scandinavia. I guess we can rule out payot, even though they don't involve real pigs, of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:03, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

We have a wiktionary entry for payout. Bus stop (talk) 20:15, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Please thank Mr Wales very much but, along with most editors here, I offer my services completely free of charge. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:24, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

End of the World

I don't feel it is alternative do you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.58.227.23 (talk) 20:18, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Best to discuss at Talk:It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine), if anywhere, I guess. But genres tend to be a bit subjective... what's "alternative rock" to one critic might be "post-punk" to another pundit. I sometimes wish genres were actually banned at Wikipedia, at least in the infobox. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:29, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

You now seem to be mindlessly edit warring with multiple sockpuppets? So it may be the "End of Your Wikipedia as You Know It", quite soon. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:09, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

They won’t let me. Why don’t u bring it up? For now, let’s call it classic rock. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LosinMyReligionNOTFolk (talk • contribs) 22:15, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

"I sometimes wish genres were actually banned at Wikipedia, at least in the infobox." But I've started a thread at Talk:It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine). But don't be surprised if you get blocked for edit warring / sock puppetry. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:22, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Do the same for Losing My Religion and Don't Stop Believing please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PopSoulMusic (talk • contribs) 04:55, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for flagging up your areas of interest. I'll think over your polite request. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:05, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

Ok, I thought it over. It seems you are a block-evading sockpuppet vandal. So no. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:08, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

'Not a niche'

How about the hammer-throw? Is that not a niche?

BTW, shudn't it be Pole-vault or Pole-vaulting? (And why all the caps?)

Dziękuję – Sca (talk) 15:19, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

I guess there's niche and really niche. Anything between "3.05 m (10 ft 0 in) and 5.30 m (17 ft 5 in)" sounds like quite a big niche to me. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:01, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I get the picture

I hear they're all vaulting home. – Sca (talk) 17:00, 10 February 2020 (UTC) Good news for Lodz I guess. But yes, finding a good plumber will be a lot more difficult. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:09, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Pronounced Woodzh, by the way. The accent marks (Łódź) make the L a W, the O an OOH and the Z a ZH or ZSH.
The Nazis tried calling it Litzmannstadt but somehow that failed to catch on. – Sca (talk) 18:54, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Yes, of course, not a niche but a woodzh: Martinevans123 (talk) 19:11, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Toxic discussions

Hello - as someone who has conducted discussions in a polite and civil way regarding the article 'Death of Harry Dunn' may I note my appreciation given the toxic behaviour of others (please see [42])--SnowyMalone (talk) 19:15, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

That's a shame. A bit of a misunderstanding, it seems. I hope you two can sort it out. I see you have only just started as a registered editor, after a bit if IP editing. So well done for doing that, and I wish you well. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:27, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. I can not begin to imagine what generated the aggression of that contributor. Am considering whether or not to continue on Wikipedia as I have no interest in engaging with such people.--SnowyMalone (talk) 19:53, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

If there is a wrong end of any stick, editors can usually find a way to get hold of it. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:02, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

(watching:) everytime you read "toxic" here, remember that it says much more about the one who uses it than anything else. Please stay, and Martin's page is a great refuge ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:43, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Yes, please stay. And you're very welcome here if you like both Brittney and Vivaldi. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:48, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Today, we have the kiss of brutalist and peace, so to speak. - Deaths: 4 deaths to deal with in 2 days, that was hard. SnowyMalone, want to help? Look in Deaths in 2020 for a name that interests you in the top section - everything below can get stressful - see if it's good (everything cited, not too short, decent prose) of if not if you can make it so, and then go to WP:ITNN and nominate for the Main page. You'll see my name there more than I like. Today Mirella Freni, was like this. Don't miss the video. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:06, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

What an incredible church! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:13, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

And the architect celebrated 100! - Did you see the pic I took? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:49, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

You will have to show me. Martinevans123 (talk)

Hello Martin, hello Gerda - thank you for the supportive comments, which are greatly appreciated ... and Martin's 'toxic' links added some valuable levity. Whilst being conscious of not wishing to dwell on the toxicity, you may note that the individual has recently responded on my Talk page to comments from another contributor ([43]) but continues with his claims that it was me who was being confrontational, doesn't recognise his toxic behaviour (he just weasely notes 'If you feel I was biting..') and doesn't even communicate to me. I've removed these comments from him and will not engage with him further. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SnowyMalone (talk • contribs) 11:45, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Well, your own Talk page is usually largely to do with as you please. But yes editors do often start to converse. Personally, I might have been tempted to keep that apology. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:51, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps I'd have kept if an apology was made to me. Anyway, I see no value in further communication with him .. far more preferable is with constructive individuals (you, Gerda and a few others inc. ones who popped up on my Talk page) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SnowyMalone (talk • contribs) 11:56, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Fair enough. Yes. some useful advice there. I sometimes wish that, as an "encyclopedia" there should be some moratorium on adding any news the same day it's published. It's quite ironic that I started editing here with a keen interest in historical topics. But the past 13 years have seen me demonstrate a steady slide towards In the News and other such sleb goss trash! Martinevans123 (talk)

In the news

Welcome excuse to get away from the thread header. - Lately, I became one of those "latest news" editors, did you know? Two recent deaths (RD) 2 days ago, together, two today, together. All deserving, imho, a conductor, a HoLolocaust survivor, an actor (everybody seems to know for the transsexual role), a soprano. 2 of the 4 I knew by name, 1 of those I saw, conducting. Should I have left the other 2 to their misery, and thus not being exposed. - On the Main page now a Cassandra's work, translated as Fall-Out. The author was also in the RD section. - Older news; it's interesting to observe that when you are called disruptive you often think the other one is, no? - On my talk page, I delete or shorten bot messages, nothing else. What I do when I don't like something is archive fast ;) - SnowyMalone, pleas archive your posts on talk pages. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:37, 11 February 2020 (UTC)