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Razor clam dress from Voss
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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on November 23

Articles created/expanded on November 22

American Brass Company

Podaxis

(Alt)...that the fungi Podaxis is often used for face paint by the Australian Aborigines? Imperat§ r(Talk) 00:12, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kumusi River

The Merry Adventures of Robin Hood

Power and the Glory

  • ... that Phil Ochs described "Power and the Glory" as "the greatest song I'll ever write"? -- new article self-nom by — [[::User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]] ([[::User talk:Malik Shabazz|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|contribs]]) 21:29, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

List of Indiana Pacers head coaches

SS Uhenfels

Rex Willis

Survivor: Borneo

Newman Flower

Allendale Square

Hacienda Arms Apartments

The hook's not meant as an ad for the restaurant, but to show the contrast between a NRHP-registered building's prior use as a brothel to the stars and its current use as a hip celebrity restaurant. And the quote comes from Newsweek magazine, not the restaurant's web site. Since the restaurant is one of the most popular in Los Angeles, it really doesn't need an ad.Cbl62 (talk) 16:27, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Abel Jorge Pereira da Silva

Erin Bethea

Charles G. Boyd

Did he reach 4-star while a PoW? or after release? This hook sounds a bit ambiguous. Suggest "former Vietnam War prisoner of war". --74.13.129.234 (talk) 19:15, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

40 foot telescope

Articles created/expanded on November 21

Elaeophora poeli

James Armsey

Lady Constance Lytton

Pls note that DYK hooks should be in the form of a question. --74.13.129.234 (talk) 19:21, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agaricus abruptibulbus

Lajjun

John Stuart Skinner

Interesting that with the words "new article self nominated by Doug Coldwell" my Microsoft Word program counts it as 235 and without those words it says the hook by itself is 199.
Took out over fifty characters - the ALT should be within limits now. How many do you count now? "The Star Spangled Banner?" counts as 24.--Doug Coldwell talk 19:13, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Swadeshabhimani Ramakrishna Pillai

File:Swadeshabhimani RPillai.jpg

cohort model

Fred Odwell

Council House

Council House
Council House

The Investigators (American TV series)

OR

Joe Rollins

John Lanzendorf

  • ... that Chicago hairstylist John Lanzendorf owned one of the world's largest collections of dinosaur-themed artwork? (self-nom) The first ref is not available for free online, but says this: "Take John Lanzendorf, a Chicago hairstylist, who began buying dinosaurs (plastic ones) when he was 9 years old. Now, 40 years later, after much research, many lectures and meetings and much traveling, his is among the largest collections of dinosaur fine art in the world, says Donald Glut, an expert on dinosaurs and author of more than 25 books on the subject." Zagalejo^^^ 00:18, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

John C. Fleming

Articles created/expanded on November 20

Lucky Dragons

  • ... that Lucky Dragons have not only released 19 albums, but also run an art society called Sumi Ink Club and an internet community called Glaciers of Nice? -- new article self-nom by Seraphim♥.
  • This was a previously deleted article, which I undeleted on the 20th (logs can verify this), so technically it's a new article. Either way, it has still been expanded five-fold from the original content. Seraphim♥ 18:37, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jardwadjali

"made up many of the members"? They told tall tales about amazing teammates after coming back from the tour? --74.13.129.234 (talk) 19:30, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Mmmmm. I was trying to avoid structuring the sentence the other way round, because "tribe" or "clan" or "people" don't really sound right, but this is the alternative:

Rosetta Reitz

Quanta Computer, Inc. v. LG Electronics, Inc.

As usual, 74's suggestion sounds better. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:00, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. --74.13.129.234 (talk) 19:30, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spinning (polymers)

Dunderberg Mountain

Will Venable

Will Venable
Will Venable

Lava River Cave

Áed Ua Crimthainn

Book of Leinster
Book of Leinster

Sonny Throckmorton

Nabi Shu'ayb

William Stern (businessman)

Although this is unflattering info about a living person, I think it's more than adequately cited and doesn't give it undue weight (it seems to be the source of his greatest notoriety), so meets DYK's standards for inclusion. Nevertheless, I can also put forward this alternative:

Gentle Men (album)

Robb Johnson playing live
Robb Johnson playing live

Great Bombay Textile Strike

Chuck Churn

Réseau de Transport d'Électricité

For those who don't speak French, the hook is cited in the La Dépêche du Midi reference: "le plus grand réseau de transport d'Europe", "the biggest transmission network in Europe". The 100,000km part is in references #1 and #5. — BillC talk 03:02, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Order of the Builders of People's Poland

Visoba Khechara

Articles created/expanded on November 19

Suggest: "spoke" --> "delivered". --74.14.18.119 (talk) 18:53, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Uskmouth Power Station
Uskmouth Power Station
  • This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues Length, date and hook verified; however "has been described as one of the cleanest" may be more appropriate in the hook, since these statements are open to considerable debate, and the sources appear to be (loosely) linking back to the Uskmouth-B owners themselves. — BillC talk 18:00, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Chester Beach
Chester Beach
Royal Cortissoz
Royal Cortissoz
Which nation? Suggest "nationwide" --> "across the U.S." --74.13.129.234 (talk) 19:53, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Jelani Jenkins? Who? You're not going to connect with too many readers on the main page. --74.14.18.119 (talk) 18:53, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
statue of George Mackay in Tamsui today
statue of George Mackay in Tamsui today
Pls disambiguate "Greek". You mean the Greek language, right? --74.13.129.234 (talk) 19:53, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on November 18

The hook needs better support at this time. I'm going to work on it.Cbl62 (talk) 08:04, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues When I checked (this revision) the Harry Potter thing was more than just poorly supported...it wasn't supported at all. I removed it because it was unencyclopaedic ("making this book a good read for all ages, like Harry Potter" was basically how it read). —Politizer talk/contribs 20:26, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Rutherford B. Hayes
Rutherford B. Hayes
It would be good timing if this hook could be featured on Saturday -- the day of "The Game" between Michigan and Ohio State.Cbl62 (talk) 07:48, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Is answers.com a valid source? I don't know anything about it. —Politizer talk/contribs 20:28, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]



Constantine Moorsom
Constantine Moorsom
Re-name as "Winter of 1946-1947 in Britain"? --74.14.18.119 (talk) 19:01, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah it is very anglo-centric I am afraid. However the article was originally at British winter of 1946-1947 but was moved in December 2006 to be "in line with other winter articles". There seems to be some confusion though as the Winter of 1886-1887 is almost completely about the US whilst the article which used to be the Winter of 1963 is now at 1963 United Kingdom cold wave. I am in favour of the 46-47 article remaining where it is as it mentions effects elsewhere in Europe and there is potential for expanding that section - Dumelow (talk) 01:22, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
3rd hook verified. I don't really like the others. (First hook doesn't say what the Ministry did wrong; second hook doesn't seem very unusual.) —Politizer talk/contribs 20:59, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues At 216 characters, this hook is ineligible, but there's still time to suggest another. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:27, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I deleted 16 characters. Otto4711 (talk) 01:44, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's a great hook. Eliminate the word "back" for improved clarity. —Kevin Myers 06:19, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Page reworked slightly. Suggestions by both Kevin and Snowman are fine by me! --Red Sunset 19:41, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Last hook verified. —Politizer talk/contribs 21:28, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Kuroda Sayako
Kuroda Sayako
  • The article says Israelis won't let Arabs live there permanently, and Israelis turned a Muslim shrine into a Jewish shrine. Please forgive my unfamiliarity with Mideast politics, but neither the hook nor the article answers this question: Do the Israelis forbid Muslims from making their pilgrimage anyway? Art LaPella (talk) 06:13, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Art LaPella. If I may, I think the festival just ended because in the wake of 1948 war, the 150,000 Arabs that remained within Israel and became citizens, needed travel permits to go from place to place. Israel was under Martial law#Israel. That would make getting 30,000 people together to go to a festival rather difficult since I doubt all 30,000 would be able to get a permit at the time. So though there may very well have been no official proclamation cancelling the festival, it would have been impossible to organize under the general circumstances. Note that martial law continued until 1967, and by that time, people would have gotten used to not having the festival and it would be difficult to reignite the tradition. Just my two cents. Tiamuttalk 17:39, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I sort of revised the "pilgrimage" part of the hook to reflect that in the article. In the Benvenisti source, it says it was not celebrated in the year of the war, but does not say if Muslims were forbidden to visit it. I'm sure they're allowed, but a festival of even close to such magnitude hasn't occurred since the village's capture. --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:40, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the article mentions that most of the pilgrims came from the surrounding cities like Lydda, Ramleh and Jaffa. In those cities *at least* 90 % of the Arab population were expelled (outside Israels borders). So of the 30 000 people who attended pre-1948, only, say, a maximum of 2-3000 would have a theoretical possibility to attend post-48. And as Tiamut mentions above: they all needed travelling-permit. And from what I have read about those times: they were very difficult times for the non-Jews of Israel, I think celebrating at festivals was very low on their list of priorities. Regards, Huldra (talk) 17:55, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You might want to use this picture at WCommons. Crop as you like. --PFHLai (talk) 23:40, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No inline citation for that fact. —Politizer talk/contribs 21:56, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Expiring noms

Articles created/expanded on November 17

"important"? a little PEACOCK/POV-ish? --74.14.18.119 (talk) 19:05, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
A little, perhaps. Any alt suggestions? --BorgQueen (talk) 20:03, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe you should describe why it's important, instead of just saying that it is. How it is used in a way that is important, I mean. Chamal talk 01:24, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that Navy discontinued its football series with Maryland for forty years after Terrapins' linebacker Jerry Fishman twice 'flipped the bird' to the Brigade of Midshipmen during the 1964 game? -- new article by User:Strikehold, self-nom Strikehold (talk) 16:52, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues No source to the fact that this rivalry is referred to as "The Crab Bowl." I'm not doubting that, but it is symptomatic of a deeper problem in the article: from my cursory glance, there's not even verification for the fact that this rivalry exists as a specific entity (as opposed to it just being a rivalry that you came up with in your head after looking at various sources on the teams' histories with one another and deciding that there was a rivalry there). Again, I'm not saying that it's wrong; rather, I'm saying that as the article currently stands, the very premise of the article is presented as being original research. Before anything else can even be worried about with this article, you need to supply some sources talking about the very concept of the Crab Bowl (rather than talking about specific incidents such as the middle fingering) to verify that the subject of this article is a real entity. —Politizer talk/contribs 02:12, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate and support the suggestion! I question the use of the term "abolitionist" as the sole qualifier; I recommend "journalist" or "editor" for Godwin. --Midnightdreary (talk) 20:30, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It wouldn't be; 1) only I wrote the article, and I haven't submitted anything like that, 2) it would have to have been entered by someone else, and no DYK message on the articles talk page means it wasn't taken and 3) he was ridiculously experienced and qualified. Ironholds (talk) 10:32, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Did some investigating; the other hook was Robert Perkins (entomologist) about 10 days ago. No relation to this one. My bad. —Politizer talk/contribs 15:45, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues The particular source cited there doesn't say anything about undergrad: "The first two scientific papers of an impressive opus of more than 400 publications were written when he was aged 21 and appeared in Brain and Nature, the premier journals of neurology and general science." None of the refs that I have access to say undergrad, either. —Politizer talk/contribs 19:23, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There's tallying the age, but I guess that's WP:OR. Odd, I was sure it said that :S. You could try here;"by the time he graduated BM BCh in 1948 he had already published three important scientific papers." but it requires a subscription, so verification might be a bit difficult unless you have (or know someone who has) an ODNB subscription. Ironholds (talk) 19:31, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've made changes in the article. Waiting to hear back from the nominator with a new hook. —Politizer talk/contribs 21:06, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • This article's hook is unsourced or too long or there are other content issues "Fourth growth" is still uninformative for people who aren't wine connoisseurs. I assume it means pretty high quality, but I dunno. Try suggesting an alt hook that expresses that more clearly, without using jargon. —Politizer talk/contribs 07:45, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
José María Rojas Garrido
José María Rojas Garrido

Articles created/expanded on November 16

How about:

alt:

  • ... that the white horse in mythology is associated with the sun chariot, warrior-heroes, fertility or an end time saviour?
the article is being worked on and better refs are appearing slowly. It was thrown up overnight by wikijedits so is much in process. It cross-refs with information in articles of examples though I know that's not on in any permanent way, it's a cool tying in of the colour phenomenon, with a focus on visionary teachings. Julia Rossi (talk) 07:08, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The second hook is better. But, again, I'm not going to verify this until I know more about this "Encyclopedia Mythica" source that's being used so much. —Politizer talk/contribs 07:11, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, but Wikijedits isn't around much and only half the refs are EMythica. Will look into but looks like running out of time, Julia Rossi (talk) 07:14, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Found primary text refs x 2 to replace Emythica. Julia Rossi (talk) 08:32, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Afai can make out, E.Mythica is on par with IMDb for movies. <outstretched hand waggling> Julia Rossi (talk) 08:36, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Valvata utahensis
Valvata utahensis
Article incorporates text from two PD sources. I don't think DYK has official rules on that, but because of my personal stance on the whole PD yada yada thing I can't ever verify a hook that copies text from somewhere else. If someone else disagrees then feel free to go over my head and verify this hook, but if no one else chooses to verify this hook then I guess that's that. (If you do, however, also note that the hook could be clarified a little more; "extirpated" might not be a very common word.) —Politizer talk/contribs 06:46, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Species recovery plan is the best reference (it is written by experts and verified by public and approved by USFWS) and there is no need to verify the plan. There is need to verify that the hook is written in the plan and it is all right. Should I add this reference at the end of every sentence that uses text from this recovery plan? (It is important for me, because I always use texts from a public domain source.) As for the word "extirpated", I am not native English speaker. I think it is a good word, see article local extinction, but you can use also "locally extincted" instead of it. --Snek01 (talk) 13:06, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Next time I will explain where wikipedians verifying hooks can verify it. OK? For now it is here, on page 6. --Snek01 (talk) 13:22, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is not easy! Page 6 or the article does not mention "roundmouth" or even round & mouth, so I try the latin name ... still not found. I then read the whole of page 6 as requested and the only thing I can find is a "Utah valvata snail" which an expert might tell me has a round mouth, but how do I know? Maybe I missed it, but the word "expirated" was not obvios either or even that they were "locally extinct" ... it just tald about them being endangered. Pleased to see you say you will think about the person checking the hooks as at the memont you are keeping them/us busy. Victuallers (talk) 14:18, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
LOL, counted page 6 is in that PDF on page 17 of the file. And you are lucky that the file is on the internet so you can verify it so easy. And about the word: so readers will know the new word if they do not already know it. It is encyclopedia for. --Snek01 (talk) 15:54, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, a good hook should be comprehensible to readers without them needing to click on any links (other than the main one) for background information. Sometimes that's impossible, of course, but it is something to aim for. If a technical term can be replaced with an easier one, that's usually a good thing. —Politizer talk/contribs 15:59, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Kampana tower, Kotor
Kampana tower, Kotor
  • ... that the fortifications of Kotor represent one of the best examples of defensive Venetian military architecture? new, self-nom - Ekem (talk) 17:24, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • The hook is unclear. Does it mean these fortifications were some of the best-built out of all Venetian military architecture...or does it mean that these are some of the best-preserved examples of what Venetian military architecture used to be like? At first glance I thought the hook meant the first, but what seems to be in the article is the second. Please clarify the hook. —Politizer talk/contribs 23:54, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • The condition is not optimal as the article shows, there is damage from the earthquake and need for rehab, the documentation indicats it to be one of the "most important" examples, so it relates to the concept or planning and execution, and the hook should be:
... that the fortifications of Kotor represent one of the most important examples of defensive Venetian military architecture? Ekem (talk) 02:18, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's still quite unclear. What makes an architectural feature "important"? —Politizer talk/contribs 05:52, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That is the opinion of the international commission; they do not elaborate and I cannot speculate. Here is an alternative hook:
... that in 1814 the French-held fortifications of Kotor were conquered by Captain William Hoste after hoisting a cannon from the HMS Bacchante on higher ground of the surrounding mountains? Ekem (talk) 19:46, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That hook is iffy for a variety of reasons (it's unclear what actually occurred with the whole cannon thing, and the article and sources don't prove any causal relationship or even any close temporal relationship between the cannon thing and the fall of the fortifications). Here's my last stab at this:
ALT2: ...that the fortifications of Kotor were listed as a World Heritage Site after being damaged in an earthquake in 1979? (The thing with this hook is that there's no inline citation for it in the article; you'll have to dig a source up and cite it ASAP, because the "Preliminary Technical Assessment" source doesn't seem to verify this.) —Politizer talk/contribs 06:52, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your help. I provided the inline citation for ALT1, so either one should be fine, I hope. Ekem (talk) 14:11, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • ... that Edward Sheehan′s quotations from Richard Nixon in his 1976 book The Arabs, Israelis and Kissinger led to a State Department search for the source of the leaks? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 04:02, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • In the article, the stuff seems to be happening in the opposite direction (first the search, later the book); in any case, the article doesn't imply any causation between the book and the search for leaks. Also, there is no inline citation at either of those sentences (the refs are at the end of the paragraph). Once the citing is fixed and either an alt hook suggested or the article cleaned up to reflect the hook, I will be able to verify this easily. —Politizer talk/contribs 07:01, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • (Alt Hook)*...that after serving in U.S. embassies in Egypt and Lebanon, Edward Sheehan wrote his debut novel Kingdom of Illusion about the playboy king of a fictional Middle Eastern country? -- the original hook is accurate, but getting the wording to match the sources has been difficult. This alternate hook should be easier to pin down. Alansohn (talk) 23:28, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The source isn't from the Tribunal, but from a member of parliament speaking about the tribunal in New South Wales Parliament. I would argue that is independent. Also, under WP:SELFPUB, self-published sources can be used to support some information about the subject provided. Assize (talk) 11:13, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps an ALT tag "...that the Community Services Appeals Tribunal heard appeals relating to government welfare decisions in New South Wales. Assize (talk) 11:25, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think the first hook should be fine. But can you clean up the refs before I verify this? There are a lot of bare URLs (I cleaned up the first two, but not the rest), and the refs that say stuff like "Section 101" confuse me—I don't really know what those refs are for (ie, section 101 of what?). Once you've cleaned up the refs I can take a look at this. —Politizer talk/contribs 18:32, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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And, so what? A coach wrote a book about a team he coached? What's unusual about that? Daniel Case (talk) 14:07, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- works for me. x5 expansion as old version was mostly quotes rather than text. However I have asked for an inline cite the first time this fact is mentioned to assist the checking process. thx Victuallers (talk) 17:14, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, this might be more accurate since Surtr only seems to lead anything in the Prose Edda and not the Poetic Edda:
See "Surt will ride in front, and both before and behind him there will be burning fire" in the paragraph covered by reference 11. :bloodofox: (talk) 19:44, 20 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There needs to be an inline citation right with the fact; a whole paragraph doesn't automatically get "covered by" a single citation. See this sentence from the rules: "The hook fact must be cited in the article with an inline citation, since inline citations are used to support specific statements in an article. The hook fact must have an inline citation right after it since the fact is an extraordinary claim; citing the hook fact at the end of the paragraph is not acceptable." —Politizer talk/contribs 05:50, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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