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      Welcome—ask questions about how to use or edit Wikipedia! (Am I in the right place?)



      June 3

      using linux

      can you use netzero internet with linux you can email me.4.152.207.17 (talk) 00:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Do you mean using wikipedia to email others or just email itself? And I have to remove your email address as that is personal info. -- RyRy5 (talk) 00:39, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      What he means is, "Does Netzero internet work in Linux?" Have you tried the Computing section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. Calvin 1998 (t-c) 00:55, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      No, NetZero only works with Windows, Mac, and Linspire. NetZero might work under Wine Antonio Lopez (talk) 23:41, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      technical difficulties?

      Am I the only one having difficulties accessing editing pages and history pages? (And some image pages?) When I try to edit or view a page history while logged in I get "Detected bug in an extension! Hook CentralAuthHooks::onGetUserPermissionsErrorsExpensive failed to return a value; should return true to continue hook processing or false to abort." and then a backtrace mentioning a bunch of PHP files starting with "/usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.5/includes/Title.php(1156): wfRunHooks('getUserPermissi...', Array)".

      I assume this is a server error, but other people seem to be posting with no trouble. 24.2.176.64 (talk) 03:03, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      This question would probably be better asked at the village pump (technical), as we Help Desk volunteers aren't developers or anything... but thanks for pointing it out. It appears to be a problem with Single User Login. You may want to see the technical village pump to see if anyone else has been having this problem, if not, please bring it up there. Calvin 1998 (t-c) 03:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Will do, thanks. 72.10.110.107 (talk) 13:07, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      adding categories to my user page

      Hello,

      I have had a look at all of the FAQs but cannot find the answer to this. I also have comment, but am unsure where to direct.

      Q.1: I want to add categories to my user page; I noticed other users pages and copied source code from their page to mine (For example I added myself to the category of "Wikipedians in London") But I would like to browse other categories to which I can add myself. After extensive searching through pages of the categories list**, there seem hundreds of thousands of categories and I cannot find what I am looking for. I read your page about not having a tree structure, which is what I was looking for. I would like to know if there is a specific page on wikipedia which users can draw from to choose sensible* (i.e. *not such categories as "°C-ute members"), particularly categories (that are relevant wikipedians' personal pages.

      Q.2: I would also like to know how the 'signpost' boxes for representing a category were invented? As these are really nice. For example the box 'logo' that appears on the "Wikipedians in London".

      C.1: The comment I'd like to make (or redirect?) is that it would maye be useful to have categories relevant to user pages separately listed. The nearest I can find to the kind of page I am looking for is in this list **http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ACategories&offset=Wikipedians. Some kind of tree structure would be helpful because there are so many. For example, "Wikipedians by alma mater..." goes on for 1000+ entries; I would find it more helpful to have them grouped under one "Wikipedians by alma mater..." at first and then the specific ones listed as sub-categories. This may already exist and I have simply misunderstood the search function, or another page exists with this information on that I didn't know about.

      C.2 It probably is mentioned in one of the help pages somewhere, but would be very useful if this search page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Categories had a reference on it to say that searching categories is case sensitive.

      Hope you can help. Thanks.

      Applet (talk) 04:08, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      The master category for such things is Category:Wikipedians -- if you browse around it's sub-categories (there are a lot) you may be able to find what you're looking for. Sounds like you're also looking for Wikipedia:Userboxes (page includes a galley of them, towards the bottom). – Luna Santin (talk) 04:14, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      You may prefer to search Wikipedia's Category: namespace with Google, because Google is not case-sensitive with respect to search keywords, and Google suggests alternate spellings. Many folks consider Google to be mostly less annoying than Wikipedia's built-in search feature. I mostly agree with them. See Help:User page so you understand what user pages are for, and see WP:NOT#MYSPACE for what they aren't. Basically, user pages exist primarily to serve the encyclopedia project, not for general socializing, although as you have seen, that rule allows for broad interpretation. Try to at least pretend everything you do on Wikipedia is to make the encyclopedia better, even if indirectly. It helps to study a bunch of featured articles so you can see where we are trying to take all 6,865,905 articles. --Teratornis (talk) 05:23, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      My question

      Excuse me hope i am acctually in the write place but i was wondering how do i make my own article for wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ima-m00-c0w-l0l (talkcontribs) 05:16, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Please see Your first article.
      1. Ensure that you have an account and you are logged in. If you don't have an account, create one
      2. Make sure the subject is notable enough to have their own article.
      3. Find references
      4. Make sure no article on the subject exists under a different title by typing the subject into the search box to the left (←) and clicking 'Search'
      5. Type the page name in the search box to the left (←) and click 'Go'
      6. Click 'Create this page'
      7. Create the article, including all your references, making sure you adhere to the Manual of Style and our article layout guidelines
      8. Be aware that Wikipedia deletes thousands of new articles for failing to adhere to our policies and guidelines. New articles by new users are at extra risk of deletion, due to new users' unfamiliarity with our rules. Consider gaining experience by editing existing articles before attempting to create new ones. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 05:30, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Starting new page with existing template

      Hi, is it possible to start a new page, for instance:

      Today

      But when you click on that page, there is content generated automatically with a 'fill in the blanks' kind of scenario?

      It's difficult to explain exactly what I mean, so I will try to explain another way.

      I want the ability for someone to click on that 'Today' link and when they are presented with the empty new page, there is already data/information there derived from a template.

      Thanks Matgraham (talk) 06:11, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      I don't think that it could be used for article space, but I do know of someone who uses something similar to this in her user page. Lemme see if I can find it real quick. :) <3 Tinkleheimer TALK!! 06:16, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      User:Phaedriel uses something like what I think you are looking for for her Today is so and so Wikipedian's day. Here is the code I found on her page:
      {{{{FULLPAGENAME}}/Today/{{CURRENTDAY}}}}
      Hope this helps :)<3 Tinkleheimer TALK!! 06:23, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Brilliant! Thankyou very much, greatly appreciated! Matgraham (talk) 06:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      You might be looking for the Article wizard. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 11:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      ?????

      "An article on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation uses the appropriate variety of English for that nation." What if the article has strong ties to a country that is not an English speaking one? 124.181.14.142 (talk) 07:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      In that case, just pick a style of writing and stick to it. Or at least that's what I think you're supposed to do ;). <3 Tinkleheimer TALK!! 07:45, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Yeah, that's correct. Alternatively, you could judge which English speaking nation it has the most links to- most European topics, for instance, would be in British English. J Milburn (talk) 10:21, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      [[Category:Fractions|*]][[Category:Fractions]]

      How is [[Category:Fractions|*]] different from [[Category:Fractions]]?68.148.164.166 (talk) 09:19, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      The first sorts the article on which it is placed under the * heading, where as the latter sorts it under the first letter of the article's title. :-) Stwalkerstertalk ] 09:33, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Also see Wikipedia:Categorization#Category sorting. Frequently "main articles" are sorted as '*' so that they're listed first in the category (say, Ship and Category:Ships). – Luna Santin (talk) 09:53, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Yes, the * means that the page gets sorted under the * heading. The latter means that it gets orted under "c" (for Category). On the other hand, [[Category:Fractions|{{PAGENAME}} gets sorted under the F heading, for Fractions. Soxred 93 11:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Actually, if you don't specify anything with a pipe, it defaults to the name of the page; it never gets sorted under "c" for category. Piping {{PAGENAME}} is used to override magic words, so that the page always sort under the page name. Can you imagine how large the C entry would be for every category page if this wasn't true!--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 11:19, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Citing encyclopædia

      When citing an encyclopædia does one give the editor as the author or do you leave it blank? Harland1 (t/c) 13:06, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Just FYI, the Helpdesk is for questions about using Wikipedia, and in the future questions such as these would be better off at the Reference Desk. It appears that it depends on which style of citation you plan to use - http://lib.trinity.edu/research/citing/books/bookreference.shtml has some examples of citing encyclopedias. -- Natalya 13:38, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      If this question is just about citing an encyclopedia, then I agree that it's better placed at the Reference desk. However, I think it not at all improbable that this question is about citing Wikipedia, but just stated in general language. If so, it is a fine fit with this page. To cite Wikipedia, go to the article you wish to cite, then click on "Cite this page" which is the bottom link on the toolbox menu on the left hand side of the page. As you can see, in many of the citation styles, the author is listed as "Wikipedia contributors". For further information, please see Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia. I hope this helps. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:09, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      The question might be about citing an encyclopedia as a source for a Wikipedia article. Some articles incorporate text from encyclopedias which are now in the public domain; see: {{1911}} and Wikipedia:1911 Encyclopaedia Britannica. We also have a {{cite encyclopedia}} template to use in footnotes. So, that's three possibilities and counting for this ambiguous question. The questioner could remove the ambiguity by specifying which encyclopedia, and for what. --Teratornis (talk) 23:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Yes, sorry. I was citing an encyclopedia of animals in Long-nosed Potoroo. And I was wondering what to put in the author section. Harland1 (t/c) 12:45, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Modifying an inaccurate entry about me

      Hi --

      I just encountered a wikipedia entry about me (Rufus Griscom) that is inaccurate, and posted by someone with an axe to grind.

      I would like to modify it so that it is accurate, or have someone else do so.

      I just registered and went to edit but it looks like only the "references" can be edited. Am I doing something wrong, or do I need to appeal to some higher power to fix this mistake?

      Thank you for any help you can offer me with this.

      best,

      Rufus Griscom

      email address removed —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rufybaby (talkcontribs) 13:55, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Because editors writing/editing about themselves can sometimes run into trouble, Wikipedia has some good guidelines for dealing with articles about yourself. If you take a look at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Help, you should hopefully find the information that you need. If not, please continue your questions! -- Natalya 14:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Anybody can edit, click 'edit this page' at the top to edit the entire page. Fix the changes, being careful of WP:COI...... Dendodge .. TalkHelp 14:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Also, I just removed all the POV and unbalanced material from the page. While some was "sourced", the page was clearly made to shed negative light on Mr. Griscom, and until a more balanced page can be written, the material should be deleted per WP:BLP. Not sure why I'm telling you all this, just FYI. Tan | 39 15:17, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      St. Francis High School (La Canada Flintridge) Notable Alumni

      URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Francis_High_School_%28La_Ca%C3%B1ada_Flintridge%29

      Addition to Notable alumni:

      Carl Verheyen of the Carl Verheyen Band, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Verheyen

      Carl graduated from St. Francis in 1972 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.135.0.6 (talk) 15:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      What exactly is your question? Mr. GreenHit Me UpUserboxes 16:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Boy that article (Carl_Verheyen) is a mess. Corvus cornixtalk 16:50, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Hello

      How are you? I was just curious on how i can add someone without getting it deleted. I have all sources needed, and write-ups etc. Please let me know if i am missing something. I am trying to add Joe Sernio.

      Thank you very much for your time in this matter


      -At —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthonythorn (talkcontribs) 16:43, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Just click on this link and click "watch" at the top of the article. Mr. GreenHit Me UpUserboxes 16:55, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Are you talking about the box up the top of Joe Sernio that says that non-notable entries may be deleted? Have you read WP:BIO? While I don't think the article is likely to be deleted soon, you need to do two things to make sure: (1) in the article, include claims of notability (that's pretty much covered) (2) back up these claims (and as much of the rest of the article as possible) with references to reliable, third-party sources. I think you, or someone, has tried to put the references in, but hasn't gotten them quite right - take a look at WP:CITE. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 23:09, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      IP address of sender in google group

      Hi, I am a part of a google group.. Is there a way to trace the ip address of another member of google group who has replied to a posted message on google group?? If yes , how?? Its important for me to know somehow..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.132.3.7 (talk) 16:45, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      I think you should try the reference desk.Mr. GreenHit Me UpUserboxes 16:57, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      MostLinked, filter by namespace

      Is there a way to filter these results by namespace? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:MostLinked&limit=500&offset=0 --Rajah (talk) 17:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      There might not be a simple way. One not so simple way would be to figure out a command pipeline that could grep for the namespace you want to include or exclude. See Complex example for a way to do something that is somewhat similar. --Teratornis (talk) 23:20, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      citation for personal communication

      On the Beaver Trilogy Wikipedia page there is a citation needed here: "The original filmmaker self-distributes DVDs in the Salt Lake City area." [1] I am trying to provide that citation since I, myself, have ordered DVDs from Trent Harris in this manner. My question is, how would I provide a citation for this kind of information?

      DoctorRocket (talk) 17:52, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Personal experience, etc. is not verifiable, and thus cannot be used in Wikipedia as a source. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:56, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Are there any other sources that could be used to back up that statement? A newspaper, magazine, or reliable website would make a good cite. This guide can show you what sources are appropriate. If you have any other questions, feel free to ask. Cheers! TNX-Man 19:25, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Could you help out this editor, most courteous ever

      I'm taking a break from editing, but found this on my talk page. Could you help the editor out? It seems he can access pages and will probably be looking at my talk page, so you could reply to him there. And I'll look here too. Thanks very much.

      Dear Madam,

      I had been able to sign up and login an year before in Wikipedia using my username Lutfullah. I had made, if you can kindly remember, a few contributions to the talk page on the article on Shaikh Shafuddin Bu Ali Qalandar of Panipat, India and had answered to your queries on those contributions.

      Since yesterday I am finding that every time I try to login to Wikipedia by merely pointing the cursor to the login/create account button and right-clicking it, my browser responds with an error message telling me that Internet Explorer can not access this webpage and I get automatically removed from the Wikipedia portal.

      As I could not approach the Wikipedia helpdesk directly, I am requesting you very humbly to take some time out for me and find if I have been blocked out by the Webmasters or contollers for any trespasses of mine yet not known to me. Is there any remedy for this problem? It shall be highly appreciated if you send me a note in reply to my Email address <email address removed> and oblige.

      Thanking you with all my heart.59.180.122.229 (talk) 19:25, 3 June 2008 (UTC)Lutfullah

      Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Itsmejudith"

      Itsmejudith (talk) 19:46, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      It looks like there is a problem with login at the moment and brion is looking at it. We may get more problems like this soon. There is more information at WP:VPT#Log in aborted -- ShinmaWa(talk) 20:00, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Thanks for your help with this. Itsmejudith (talk) 20:15, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Should be fixed now. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 20:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Comparing pages for criteria

      Hi, I recently came across a page for Zyvex, ( a private company ) which looks and reads like marketing material. Why hasn't their page been tagged and deleted? It's hard to know what is correct when there is so much variability on the site. Isn't the Zyvex page considered spam given the Wikipedia guidelines?

      Your input would be greatly appreciated as it will help me learn by example.

      Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Susiemauceri (talkcontribs) 20:31, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Be bold and add the tags yourself, if you think the page needs them. This page could be edited to become more neutral, so I would recommend the {{advert}} tag. — Insanity Incarnate 20:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Plenty of articles exist that probably should not and many others are in a bad state that haven't yet been tagged for cleanup that should be. There is no central authority that cleans up articles and because of the huge number of articles that are created every day, many slip through the cracks upon creation and may sit around for a very long time without anyone loking at them. So generalizing from any article's existence or state to conclude that it meets policy or has been inspected and "passed" or is "grandfathered in", is faulty. Please see WP:OTHERSTUFF by analogy. You found it, you've read our policies; go right ahead and judge for yourself and do what Insanity Incarnat advised above. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:57, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      I asked because I modeled the page I wrote after theirs and mine got tagged within the hour and deleted by morning b4 I had a chance to fix it, even though I did post the HANG ON tag after the Speedy Delete banner was posted. However, theirs is still there with no tags at all. How does that work? Pretty confusing. Can anyone offer insight? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Susiemauceri (talkcontribs) 15:51, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Single User Login

      If a registered user doesn't make a global account will it at some point in the future be forced on everyone to have Single User Login by the WikiFoundation? 79.76.201.239 (talk) 20:43, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      I don't believe so. It's just optional at the moment, and I think it will stay that way. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 20:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      The plan is that eventually, creating an account on one wiki, will basically give you an account on every wiki automatically. It won't really be "forced" as the process will appear the same as creating an account now, except it will create the global account at the same time without having to manually merge accounts. That probably won't be done until existing conflicts are resolved though. Mr.Z-man 00:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Video

      Is it appropriate to include a video from say, YouTube in an article? Thanks, Ζρς ι'β' ¡hábleme! 21:04, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      It helps if you give us specific examples of the article and the video in question. In general, is it a reliable source, is it relevant to the content, is it a copyright violation? See Wikipedia:External links for full information on linking. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 21:08, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Ok, I would like to embed the video of Russell Means found on [2] into the Republic of Lakotah article. It shows his views, opinions, and reasoning. Should it be in the article? Furthermore, how does one embed a video on Wikipedia? The embed code given by YouTube doesn't work. Thanks, Ζρς ι'β' ¡hábleme! 21:29, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      You can't embed media directly from external sites. If the video's licensing is appropriate (see commons:Commons:Licensing), it's possible to upload a video in Ogg Theora format and use it as if it were an image. Otherwise, just linking makes more sense than trying to embed, which creates legal problems (copyright) and technical problems (using bandwidth from another site and introducing a security hole). --ais523 21:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
      You can use the {{YouTube}} template to link to a video. If someone else thinks the link is improper, they will remove it. --Teratornis (talk) 23:01, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      length of contributions

      I've been contributing as a user for the last 2-3 years, but with a different user account. Now, this new one has been only around for 6 months; do i count as an editor for 6 months or 3 years? Ironholds 23:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Well, you yourself as a person have been an editor in total for 3 years, regardless of user accounts! In the technical sense, you've only been editing on this account for 6 months, but you can always reference that you edited under another account before. That's sort of subjective, though... did it help answer your question? -- Natalya 00:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      german to english

      Hello, I'd like to view this page in English:

      http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teddy_Stauffer

      I want to read about Teddy Stauffer, but cannot find anything in English. There is this German page, but I can't figure out how to translate. Can you please help me? Thanks so much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.170.15.177 (talk) 23:38, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      It doesn't look like there's an English Wikipedia article, but you can use various web translators to translate it into English. Here is the translation that Google did. -- Natalya 00:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      A Google search reveals many English language sources where you can read about him. I find machine translations hard to take.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:09, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      There is a certain sad poetry to "After his lonely death, his ashes into the waters of the Pacific dispersed, as his last will". DuncanHill (talk) 00:45, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      What days do we get paid.

      I am doing this because I love the gers adn am no worried about the money but I was just thinking wtha you get money and when do you get it? My mate says that its on friday but cant remember how is it weekly or every 2 weeks  ????? Like a said its not the money that is the reeson why I doing it, but I was just wanting to know? Will it be send to my email? Thanks. Douglas1690 (talk) 23:57, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      It has already been explained to you on your user talk page by another user that this is a voluntary project.♦Tangerines♦·Talk 23:58, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      It doesnt say that on my user page !! ! ! ! Douglas1690 (talk) 23:59, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      As I said above, it was on your user talk page. This is what it says near to the bottom of the page, under the heading "Opinion" and added by the user Rockpocket, in answer to your remark about "clocking in" - "By the way, you don't need to clock in because we don't get paid". Hope that is clear now.♦Tangerines♦·Talk 00:05, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      I feel like a am being bullied cos am new, by celtic and dundee unt fans because they know that I am a gers man. My article has a banner on it, and I feel like there all grumpy and tryiong to scare me off. What can I do? I am doing this cos I love the gers and I want to stop the spam from celtic fans, but IO feel like am being bulied......

      Even they make sarcastic things like "we're glad you're here" aye, right! then they say I dont have references on my articles.

      Douglas1690 (talk) 00:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      [First], the users that contribute to Wikipedia aren't paid, this is a totally voluntary project. No one is forced to contribute to the encyclopedia, and [Second], comments like "we're glad you're here" are for welcoming users to the Wikipedia project, not to disturb users. macytalk 00:11, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      I presume you understand now that this is voluntary? With regard to your last comments, no-one is bullying you and I am sorry you feel that way. It is just how things work on wikipedia that some articles get proposed for deletion, it isn't personal against you, it happen every day. When you say you are new though, on your user page you say that you have "many years editing on Wikipedia as annonymus. So Im not exactly new at this." I would very much doubt that Rockpocket was being sarcastic with the welcome message.♦Tangerines♦·Talk 00:14, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      I accept your apology Douglas1690 (talk) 00:16, 4 June 2008 (UTC) :)[reply]
      See another won making fun lokk!!!!!!!!! Fair enough then. The big tag "the free encyclopedia" on the front should really have been a hint :P. byn Rocket!! !!!!!!!! Douglas1690 (talk) 00:20, 4 June 2008 (UTC) I is done with your website now you try and help out and get a bunch of sarcasticness cos Im new. You said you one it before etc.[reply]

      June 4

      Template problem

      Resolved
       – Problem solved.--RyRy5 (talk) 07:13, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Hello. If you look here, you should see that the templates are, well, mixed up with eachother. I can't seem to find the problem. I would like to format it like the barnstars and awards above the problem, but I can't see the problem. Please help. Thanks, RyRy5 (talk) 00:20, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      all fixed. you added an incomplete smile in one of the edits. --TheDJ (talkcontribs) 00:30, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Thanks. It sometimes gets confusing when you have so many barnstars and awards. :) --RyRy5 (talk) 00:36, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Twin Peak Towers - Wikipedia

      I have tried to correct very misleading information about a new apartment building in Jakarta, i.e. Twin Peak Towers. Since the apartment is still actively marketed in Indonesia, it is very important to have the right information posted in wikipedia, otherwise wikipedia can misled potential buyers. For example, there is no bars, restaurants, night club, fleet of Bentley available at Peak and a lot of existing buyers argue about the quality of the buildings (no Italy marble etc). I tried to change the content, but someone named Wandering Canadians, a wikignome always change the page back. Ironically, Wandering Canadians has a motto 'Keeping People Honest'.

      I assume that Wandering Canadians is just ignorant / not knowledable about the property in Jakarta/Indonesia, eventhough possible that he is connected to the owner of the property.

      Please make wikipedia honest. I have changed the page back but sure Wondering Canadian will change it back. Please stop dishonesty at Wikipedia.

      PS: BTW, I tried to contact Wandering Canadians directly but not successful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.158.104.36 (talk) 01:14, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Hi there! Please don't insult other editors; remember to stay civil at all times! :) Also, remember to sign your posts with four tildes (~~~~).
      Now, Wikipedia is not for advertising, so we should not be editing pages with potential buyers in mind. Coverage should pertain to notability only, and should not focus on meaningless aspects. Of course, if there is misleading information, you are welcome to correct it, but only if you can prove that the information is false (and, vice versa, that yours is correct) using reliable sources. Cheers, Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 01:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Also please note that we are an encyclopedia, not a directory, listing of organizations, or a place to advertise. There is also a very strict policy about only putting in what can be found in reliable, third-party sources. Along with that, there is a guideline/policy which states that if you are editing Wikipedia to promote some non-Wikipedia entity's interests (including yourself or other Wikipedia editors), you have a conflict of interest with Wikipedia. Our goal is to build an encyclopedia. Please keep this in mind while editing. Other policy/guideline/how-to pages you may be interested in seeing are: the notability policy, how to write your first article, and the tutorial. Hope this helps... Calvin 1998 (t-c) 01:29, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      The reason why your updates to the article have been reverted is because they were (to quote from the The Peak Twin Towers article history): "... non-factual and incorrect additions, suspected vandalism" and "... not in accordance with Wikipedia standards or style", or they "... belongs on talk page". The usual practice when adding controversial material to articles, is to cite verifiable information from reliable sources. If other editors disagree with your edit, then perhaps you can raise the problem on the article's talk page and try to reach a consensus with the other editors. Continuing to add your unreferenced information is considered vandalism and will be quickly removed, and you may eventually be blocked from editing. If you wish to contact an individual editor, it is best to do so on their talk page (for example User talk:Wandering canadian), but please remember to remain civil at all times. Astronaut (talk) 03:29, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Resolved
       – Fixed

      What's going on with the Janine Habeck article? According to this diff there is a newer edit but according to the article's history page, that IS the newest edit. Anyone? Dismas|(talk) 03:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Wow that is weird, I just made a test edit to see if there was just a problem with the most recent edit, but now it says that my edit is the most recent, but that there is a newer edit. [3] Weird! « Gonzo fan2007 (talkcontribs) @ 03:27, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      What the... that's an interesting bug, heh. It seems that it's doing that for multiple people, and not just you. Anyway, the bug has been reported to our techies; thanks for bringing it to our attention! :) Cheers, Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 03:29, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Yay, they fixed it. Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 03:37, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Good to know I wasn't seeing things!  :-) Dismas|(talk) 05:08, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Huh? All I see is an error. Anyway, I see this all the time but probably unrelated to your particular case, my computer slows or something and can visit the next diff. Also the resolved template3 shows a green box on my computer. Thanks. ~AH1(TCU) 21:20, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Deletion of Chetan Ramlu

      Hi There

      I have already re-derected the page Chetan Ramlu to Kris Chetan Ramlu. But I would like to delete the Chetan Ramlu page alltogether so there is just the Kris Chetan Ramlu page. The original Chetan Ramlu page was re-directed by a Chetan ramlu page - as you can see this is getting really messy. So if someone could delete the Chetan Ramlu and Chetan ramlu page but leave the Kris Chetan Ramlu page, I would be very greatfull.

      Thanks

      Rich —Preceding unsigned comment added by Richardbetts (talkcontribs) 09:47, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      I don't think it would be a good idea to delete the redirect "Chetan Ramlu" since it has a number of incoming links that would be broken by deletion; similarly (although less so) for "Chetan ramlu". As the saying goes, redirects are cheap and it doesn't hurt to have these alternative versions of the article title around. BencherliteTalk 10:08, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Fixed double redirect at Chetan ramlu. As Bencherlite has said, it's probably best to keep both redirect pages, since both have incoming links. haz (talk) 10:22, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      I would really prefer if the other two pages were deleted and the Kris Chetan Ramlu page is kept. I can re-link all the links that lead to the orignal Chetan Ramlu page.

      So could someone please delete 'Chetan Ramlu' and 'Chetan ramlu' page? I think it would be best I we just kept the Kris Chetan Ramlu page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richardbetts (talkcontribs)

      If you really want the redirects deleted, then visit the page where editors discuss deleting redirects. BencherliteTalk 21:31, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      It looks like the page was created as Chetan Ramlu and then rather than being renamed to Kris Chetan Ramlu, it was copied there. So Chetan Ramlu can’t be deleted because it contains the edit history of Kris Chetan Ramlu. Perhaps the reason you want to delete Chetan Ramlu is to delete that history, but that can’t be done for copyright reasons. —teb728 t c 21:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC) What could be done is to merge the history of the two articles and rename the result to Kris Chetan Ramlu. —teb728 t c 22:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      copy picture

      how can i copy a particular picture into a file or document. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 218.248.68.198 (talk) 10:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      This question rteally belongs in the Computer reference desk. Right click on ther picture and click 'save picture as...'.

      I am the Operations Manager at Manchester Academy of English.

      We no longer need to publish about our company on Wikipedia and would like to delete it at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Academy_of_English

      Although I have tried to add Quick Deletion {QD}}, it doesn't seem to be working.

      Any ideas, please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.57.236.35 (talk) 11:41, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      You can't request deletion like that. The subject appears to be notable and therefore it is here to stay. You could try taking it to WP:AFD, but I don't think its deletion will be the outcome. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 11:47, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      The Manchester Academy of English Wikipedia article does not exist to "publish about" your company, but is an encyclopedia article about a notable subject. Your earlier concerns about not wanting your "... rivals/competitors to make changes to the text to sabotage our reputation" would appear to be unfounded because the article has not been controversially edited since it was created by your "IT assistant". Astronaut (talk) 16:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Wikipedia's Law of Unintended Consequences

      If you write in Wikipedia about yourself, your group, your company, or your pet idea, once the article is created, you have no right to control its content, and no right to delete it outside our normal channels. Content is not deleted just because somebody doesn't like it. Any editor may add material to or remove material from the article within the terms of our content policies. If there is anything publicly available on a topic that you would not want included in an article, it will probably find its way there eventually. More than one user has created an article only to find himself presented in a poor light long-term by other editors. If you engage in an edit war in attempt to obtain a version of your liking you may have your editing access removed, perhaps permanently.

      Therefore, don't create promotional or other articles lightly, especially on subjects you care about.

      -- ShinmaWa(talk) 23:19, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      how can i upload any picture in my article?

      how can i upload any picture in my article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.182.118.50 (talk) 11:47, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Via Upload file on the toolbox on the left. But first, you must read Wikipedia:Image use policy. Thankyou, Lradrama 11:49, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Also note that you must be logged in before you can upload files. Thanks, PeterSymonds (talk) 11:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      If the image is free, such as something you created or took yourself that you will be releasing, please don't upload it here. Instead upload it to the Wikimedia Commons (a central media repository for all free media). By Creating an account there and then uploading, you allow use of the image here as well as on all other language Wikipedias and all of Wikimedia's sister projects. Also note that if you do not have an account here and you create one now to upload, you will have to wait four days and have 10 edits before you wil be able to do so, whereas you can upload immediately at the Commons, once registered. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:29, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Why were my posts deleted

      Why were my posts deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DelawareNC (talkcontribs) 13:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


      I recently made two posts about Chefs Roland Henin and Rolf Baumann. They were up for awhile but now they have been taken down. Why would his have happened? What do I need to do to post them accurately and have them stay up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DelawareNC (talkcontribs)

      They were deleted as blatant copyright violations of http://www.delawarenorth.com/NewsRoom/pdf/home-plate-media-kit.pdf and http://www.delawarenorth.com/NewsRoom/pdf/RolfBaumann.pdf . We cannot accept copyright violations on Wikipedia, and such violations are deleted on sight. See WP:COPYVIO for more information. :-) Stwalkerstertalk ] 15:25, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      TeeNAgerS~Manga/Anime

      TeeNAgerS is a manga made by Tyler Atkinson and Eddward Hogan, this is the plot for it so far. Contact detals removed tell me what you think. ^__^ Please, I'd appreciate it.

      removed text so that noone steals it :)Mr. GreenHit Me UpUserboxes 16:40, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      This page is for help using Wikipedia. I would normally suggest you take your question to the entertainment reference desk, but I don't think they would offer a review of your amateur manga. I have removed your email address to protect your privacy - this page is highly visible across the internet, and adjusted the paragraph indents so it can be seen clearly.
      I also hope you understand that by presenting your work here, you have released it under a GFDL license and as such it is likely to be copied, changed or published elsewhere without your permission. You might want to consider removing your work from this page. Astronaut (talk) 16:10, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Referencing

      Resolved
       – Editor's issue has been resolved. --TNX-Man 22:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Hi,

      I'm having problems adding references/external notes to articles. I've followed the instructions, but to no avail. I guess I'm doing something very minutely wrong, but I'm at a loss. I tried following the 'cite references' section on the Help Page. But like mentioned above, it didn't work! Could someone please give me a 1,2,3 track approach, or simplify it so a six year old can understand!!

      Many thanks.

      Theblako (talk) 18:08, 4 June 2008 (UTC).[reply]

      Hi there. All you have to do is, after a fact, use <ref> URL here </ref>, and then add {{reflist}} to the bottom of the page. There are ways of formatting the references, notably {{cite web}}, but that's pretty advanced. Hope this helps! Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 18:11, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      (edit conflict)*I looked at the article you were recently editing. You did everything exactly right, but forgot to add {{reflist}} to the reference section. That template causes the references to display. I've fixed it, so feel free to take a look! TNX-Man 18:14, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


      Thanks! I was thrown by the 'reflist'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theblako (talkcontribs) 12:46, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Why is the print so small on 'printable version'?

      Resolved

      Hi...

      When I print out an article from the 'printable version' page, the text is minuscule and basically unreadable. My solution has been to cut and paste the text into a Word document and print it from there. But...a lot of the formatting gets lost.

      Is there a way to print the 'printable version' with larger text?

      I am on a PC with Windows XP and use Mozilla Firefox.

      The printer is an HP Laserjet 4050N. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.122.183.11 (talk) 18:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Thank you!

      -todd —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.122.183.11 (talk) 18:39, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      What browser are you using? What printer? --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 18:42, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      On Firefox, select "Print Preview" under the "File" menu. At the top of the screen in the center, you'll see a "Scale" dropdown. Odds are this is set to a very small number. Select something at or closer to 100%. This should increase the font size in the printed copy to something closer to what you want. -- ShinmaWa(talk) 20:04, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


      Beautiful. It was set to 'shrink to fit'. Now it's printing fine. Thank you very much, Shinmawa! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.122.183.11 (talk) 20:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      I suggest cut and paste, I think this is over now. StewieGriffin! • Talk 20:26, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Stub

      Resolved
       – Already Done

      How do I add the message at the bottom of Capital punishment in Liechtenstein that says that the article is a stub? JoeC 4321 (talk) 20:05, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Look at Capital punishment in Albania for an example. You should add the same categories as well. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 20:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Someone else has already added the stub message but thanks for your help anyway. JoeC 4321 (talk) 20:12, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      I have removed the uncategorised tag as the article is now categorised. – ukexpat (talk) 20:32, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Colour Background Codes?

      I Have Seen On Some Pages Like Sandi Thom And Lily Allen etc. That When You See The Grids On Their Discography That They Have A Different Colours But When You Edit This Page It's In Codes But What Are Thease Codes? And How Do You Access What The Codes Are For Different Colours? samm 20:49, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

      See web colors. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 21:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      The code that you see when editing pages it's called Wikitext, similar to HTML. You may found a guide on using Wikitext on How to edit a page. macytalk 21:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      In Addition To The Wikipedia Article on Web Colors That Gadget850 Already Pointed Out, Here's Another Good Page For HTML Color Codes. -- ShinmaWa(talk) 21:47, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      And see WP:COLOR and WP:EIW#Color. --Teratornis (talk) 04:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      How many...

      How many times has man landed on the moon? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.76.74.118 (talk) 22:26, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Help Desk is used only for questions related to Wikipedia and it's projects. <3 Tinkleheimer TALK!! 22:29, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Please consult the Wikipedia:Reference desk and ask your question there. Thank you. -- RyRy5 (talk) 22:51, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      (e/c)To save time over at the RefDesk, the answer is six. Apollo 11, 12, 14, 15, 16, 17. Paragon12321 (talk) 22:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Some people claim to doubt that, but I sometimes doubt they can be serious. And by the way, I'm adding a spoiler alert on this message for anyone who hasn't seen Apollo 13 (film) yet, and who either wasn't around for the original event or who hasn't read much history. (Don't laugh; some people got upset when they heard the Titanic was going to sink.) --Teratornis (talk) 23:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Sorry, couldn't help it. I laughed. -- ShinmaWa(talk) 06:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Colonial Tavern

      How do I edit to correct an existing file? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kuro77chan (talkcontribs) 23:18, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Start with the editing tutorial, and make sure to read the five pillars of Wikipedia too. Happy editing! Tan | 39 23:20, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      It looks like your first edit wasn't too happy; another editor removed some of your material. That happens a lot on Wikipedia to new users. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources and Wikipedia:Verification to understand how this works. On Wikipedia, it's not what you know, but what you can cite. Everything we write has to come from reliable, published sources, and we have to cite our sources. This can be complicated for new users to understand, so ask us for help if you find the manuals confusing. --Teratornis (talk) 03:56, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Means?

      What's the difference between


      [[Category:Watersheds| ]]

      and

      [[Category:Watersheds]]


      ? Thanks.68.148.164.166 (talk) 23:24, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      It's to do with the way in which the pages in the category get sorted. The default position is that pages are sorted within categories alphabetically by page name - so, if you look at the contents of Category:Watersheds, Catchment comes before Drainage basin. This can be modified by using the "magic word" {{DEFAULTSORT}} to sort by something other than the alphabetical order of the article title (e.g. for biographies, {{DEFAULTSORT:Surname, Firstname}}. Another way is to use the pipe character "|", and then the character(s) after the pipe determine the sort order. Where, as in your example of [[Category:Watersheds| ]], a space is used, that puts the article before the letter "A", which is what has happened with Endorheic basin. BencherliteTalk 00:05, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      See WP:CAT#Sort order and Help:Magic words. --Teratornis (talk) 03:58, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


      June 5

      'huggle whitelist'

      what is the huggle whitelist; and why am I on it?

      Is it a good or bad thing to be on?? If its bad, how do I get off it??

      thanks (please tell me on my talk page when you have put in a response).

      Aflumpire (talk) 00:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      It's very good! Huggle is an application used here to combat vandalism. The application has a whitelist, which is a list of users who can be safely ignored when searching for vandalism. Any person with huggle can choose to place another user on the whitelist. There's nothing bad with being on the whitelist (other than your username on the page taking up valuable server resources, of course :) ). Now, if you were on a blacklist, that would be a problem... but huggle doesn't keep a blacklist. Calvin 1998 (t-c) 00:41, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      How did you find out you were on this whitelist? Ideally, whatever you saw that informed you of this should also have contained some link explaining what it means. If the link is not there, then we should fix that if possible. Since Wikipedia is a do it yourself project (and probably the world's largest one), we need to make everything on Wikipedia as self-explanatory as possible. --Teratornis (talk) 04:08, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      I can't speak for Aflumpire, but I found myself on the whitelist by Googling myself ;) (No comments on the vanity of that, please :) :) ) -- ShinmaWa(talk) 06:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      50% of computer users admit to Googling themselves - frequently and energetically - and the other 50% lie about it. --Teratornis (talk) 16:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Calvin, honestly, the biggest problem isn't the server resources but its contribution to global warming <smirk> -- and with regards to googling, my real name is such a generic anglo name, that I would never find the real me... Tiggerjay (talk) 05:42, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Are external links from Blogger prohibited on WP? 71.122.32.84 (talk) 16:47, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      They're not prohibited, but blogs are not considered reliable sources of information. You generally can't use a blog to cite a fact. An external link might be appropriate if the person maintains a blog or fansite, but it's very rare that such sites are used to back up statements in our articles. — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 18:25, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      geometry

      examples of planes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.53.190.237 (talk) 11:12, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      This page is designed for questions about using Wikipedia. Your question would be better asked at the mathematics reference desk. If you do ask it there please use full sentences, as I'm not quite sure what you are asking here. Raven4x4x (talk) 11:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      We have an article on planes: Plane (mathematics).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:17, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Information

      where should i go to get imformation on a certain topic —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.65.12.161 (talk) 11:26, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      You may be able to find it by searching for it here Special:Search. If you could be a little more specific, we may be able to point you in the right direction. TNX-Man 11:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Can someone help with my page

      I am trying to get my page listed but I dont understand all the tags. I have put an image I created myself on the page and tried to put the right tags on this but it still is telling me that the image copyright isnt clear.

      Also there are some other errors and I dont understand them. This is the second time I have tried to use Wikipedia and it is so confusing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jontif (talkcontribs) 14:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Since the text of Subway collective appears to be copied from http://www.subwaycollective.com/welcome.htm and that page is copyrighted, you are going to get a speedy delete for copyright violation. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 14:22, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Unfortunately, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia where notable subjects have articles written about them. Wikipedia is not a site where your band is "listed" in order to promote their work. Astronaut (talk) 23:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      general forums

      does wikipedia have a forum about general issues in the world today? after much searching and no luck, i have decided to ask directly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fred eadie (talkcontribs) 15:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Nope. That's not any part of what we exist for. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:53, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      See WP:EIW#News for a list of what we do have. On some of those fora and mailing lists, people discuss very small subsets of topics that might fall under what you call "general issues in the world today." After all, Wikipedia is important enough to be a topic of mainstream discussion now. However, "general issues in the world today" contains a very large number of topics that Wikipedia's venues do not discuss. If you want to discuss some topic unsuitable for a Wikipedia venue, there are many other sites out there, which you can find with a search engine, or by asking us. "General issues in the world today" is, well, a bit too general. Most likely you want to focus on something more specific, such as politics in the world today, women's rights in the world today, energy crises or food crises, etc. For each of the global topics, many sites exist for discussing them, but most sites have a narrower focus than all the issues in the world today. --Teratornis (talk) 16:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      And there is always Wikinews – ukexpat (talk) 17:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Problems with svg

      I was converting images to svg format just as i did many times before, this time i have a big problem after converting this file :File:Board structure.pdf to svg and uploading the svg i got this: Image:Board_structure.svg .Its all messed up and i don't understand way. In Inkscape it looked fine (and now i didn't save as Inkscape Svg i saved as simple svg). Can anyone help me fix it?--IngerAlHaosului (talk) 15:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      In the furture questions like this need to be posted at the reference desk.But from my analysis the picture looks fine.Are you sure somethings wrong? Mr. GreenHit Me UpUserboxes 15:59, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      The text is outside the boxes in the preview; when you click to get the full image, the text is properly placed, but badly rendered. I'm not sure how to fix this. It might be an artifact of the SVG to PNG conversion done by MediaWiki. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 16:56, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Alpha

      Hi,

      I've been adding to the album list by a British Electronic band called Alpha. I'm having a problem linking one album to the other. The page in question is 'Lost in a Garden of Clouds (Part 1) where I'm trying to link it's follow up album, 'Lost in a Garden of Clouds (Part 2). I've followed the usual steps, which have always worked for me before. However, when I click save, and despite several attempts, the album name (link) is staying red and cannot be linked. I've checked the spelling, lower/upper case etc and it appears ok, unless I'm missing something very blatant! I'd greatly appreciate any insight (I'm sure it's dead easy!!!!)

      Thanks in advance,

      The Blako. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theblako (talkcontribs) 17:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      It says that there is no page called 'Lost in a Garden of Clouds (Part 2).Are you sure the page in question exists? Mr. GreenHit Me UpUserboxes 17:25, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Hi MrGreen,

      I've just checked and it is now saying there's the page and it seems to have rectified itself. Maybe, there was too much traffic when I first created it, but sincerest thanks for your input anyway. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Theblako (talkcontribs) 17:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Sometimes Wikipedia's servers take a while to process a change. You may see delays when you do other things that require some work from the servers, such as when you recategorize a page. Although I haven't kept careful track, I think I have noticed Wikipedia to be more responsive when I edit at night (I'm in the U.S.). The English Wikipedia probably gets most of its users during daytime hours for Europe and North America (especially the latter), so by the close of business in North America, most Europeans are probably asleep, and most North Americans have left work, leaving Wikipedia to the gnomes who stay up late and build all the cool stuff. You can also try linking to the pages you mention, right here on the Help desk:
      Another way to check that you just did something is to see your contributions. For example, Special:Contributions/Theblako shows that you edited the above two articles. It would have been interesting to see whether your changes would have shown up correctly during the few minutes after you created Lost in a Garden of Clouds (Part 2) and its link was still red. Oh, and one more thing, asking on the Help desk about an article you just created tends to attract the attention of other editors, who will scrutinize the new articles for typical new-article problems, and if necessary add template messages such as {{notability}} and {{primarysources}} as the above two articles now have. If you're new-ish to Wikipedia, or even not so new, you might not know about our requirements for verifiability and reliable sources, or how to cite sources with footnotes, preferably using citation templates. Please read all the help pages I linked to, and let us know if you have any more questions. --Teratornis (talk) 18:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      My Watchlist

      I'm just wondering, in my watchlist it has this to the side of every edit (+Number) or (-Number) The number varies, what are they? Are they scores or something? Jonni Boi 17:15, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

      They are the number of characters added or deleted every edit.Mr. GreenHit Me UpUserboxes 17:18, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Aye... it's the difference between the size (in terms of source text) of the previous diff and the current page version – in other words, how many characters were added or removed as a result of the most recent edit to the page. If you have a look at any page's history, you'll see the exact size of each version in bytes, but only the difference is shown in the watchlist since it makes identifying certain types of edit (page blanking, for instance) easier. haz (talk) 17:21, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      I think my answer was a bit easier to understand.(no offense) :)Mr. GreenHit Me UpUserboxes 17:27, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      To be completely clear, its the number of bytes, not characters. When it comes to Unicode, there's a difference. -- ShinmaWa(talk) 18:22, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Only the questioner knows what is easier for the questioner to understand. Some questioners want a simple summary, and some want more technical details with links for further information, so they can dig in and learn more about how Wikipedia works. Therefore, it is good when several volunteers provide different angles, so the questioner can take what he or she wants. To take yet another angle, when a question appears on the Help desk, we should ask why the user needed to ask the question. That is, why didn't the page the user was viewing answer the question itself? In the case of a watchlist, the page does answer the question, but perhaps too subtly. Near the top of the page, below the distracting Wikipedia advertising lines, I see this sentence:
      • You have 40 pages on your watchlist (excluding talk pages).
      The sentence contains a link: watchlist which answers the question, that is if the user notices the link, realizes it links to a help page, clicks the link, and reads down to the section: Help:Watching pages#Watchlist. That might be asking a lot from a user who isn't already familiar with Wikipedia's help system. It's very easy to look right past that subtle watchlist link. Maybe expanding it slightly would help:
      I think bolding the appropriate help page link might not be overkill. Hardly anybody will understand the Watchlist the first time they stumble into it, so bolding the help page link will draw the reader's eye. I don't understand why the term: talk pages doesn't also have a link to its help page, so I suggest linking it too. Not everybody knows about talk pages, either. If any administrator agrees with me, the interface page that produces this text might be MediaWiki:Watchlist-details. --Teratornis (talk) 18:27, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Delete

      Resolved
       – Article has been deleted per user request. --TNX-Man 22:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Can someone please delete Mando songs for me. I meant to create a category. Grk1011 (talk) 18:16, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      It looks like it has already been deleted. Cheers! TNX-Man 18:20, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Thanks Gadget. Grk1011 (talk) 18:21, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      You are welcome. Next time, just blank the page and replace it with {{db-g7}} and it will eventually be deleted. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 18:22, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      More than one title for an article

      Resolved
       – Redirect created. --TNX-Man 22:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      How to associate an existing article to an index? My case: I created an article under Héctor Zumbado. I want it to be also under H. Zumbado, since that is the man's pen name, and many know him for H. Zumbado rather than as his name. How to do it?

      Thanks in advance.

      User:Alfredo J. Herrera Lago —Preceding comment was added at 18:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      What you're looking for is a redirect. You can do this by creating a new article with #REDIRECT[[PageName]], which will redirect any visitors to the new page to the page referenced in the redirect. I've created the redirect that you've mentioned, but you might want to keep that in mind, in case you need it in the future! haz (talk) 18:32, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      That's it; thank you Haza-w!

      User:Alfredo J. Herrera Lago —Preceding comment was added at 21:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      222.239.26.175 (talk) 19:12, 5 June 2008 (UTC)forgetting password

      I have created my wiki account a few months ago, and now I find I forgot it. Is there any way that I can get it?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.239.26.175 (talkcontribs)

      Do you remember any of the pages you edited when you were logged in? If you do, you could check their page history to see if you recognize your username. -- Natalya 19:21, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Is it only the password you have forgotten? If you remember your username, and you gave your email address when you registered, you can ask it to email you a new password. —teb728 t c 20:14, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Limiting my watch list

      Still Open

      Okay, I'm trying to get some use out of my watchlist. Unfortunately, I spend WAY too much time on the refdesks, so my watchlist gets a new entry every time anyone does anything with the refdesks. Thus, anything else gets drowned out in a flood of refdesk updates. Because, someone does something to the refdesks all the time. So, I'd like my watchlist to show recent updates to pages I've updated, but NOT include the Reference Desk pages. I can tell my list to ignore complete wikis, but I can't find a way to tell it "monitor the rest of en.wiki, but don't tell me the Reference Desks have been updated. The Reference Desks are ALWAYS updated. They have too much activity to be listed here." Is this possible? -SandyJax (talk) 19:46, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


      Not as far as I know, though there are only six of them or something, surely six doesn't make THAT much difference? -mattbuck (Talk) 19:49, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Can you just unwatch them? -- Natalya 19:49, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      (e/c)You can unwatch the refdesk. Go to the page and click "unwatch" at the top. It'll disappear forever. :) Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 19:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Duh! That was easy. Thanks! -SandyJax (talk) 20:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Duh. No it _wasn't_ that easy. I just stuck my nose into something on the RefDesk, partly as a test, and, yep, the refdesk is now back on my watchlist because it's a page I edited, and all pages I edit automatically get watched. I wouldn't mind if it only showed sections I was involved with, but it looks like any edits to any section of any refdesk put the refdesk back on my watchlist. As if I need to be told that someone edited those pages. Again, I ask "How do I get my watchlist to not include the Reference Desk?" -SandyJax (talk) 21:15, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Go to Special:Preferences. Click on the tab "watchlist". Is the box "Add pages I edit to my watchlist" ticked? If it is, unclick it, save the page and Ctrl-F5 to clear your browser cache. Let us know if it works. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 21:20, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      If you're looking to watchlist all pages you edit, you can simply uncheck the "watch this page" box whenever you edit the reference desks. Someguy1221 (talk) 21:21, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      My apologies for not being clear. I often edit the refdesks. I also, occasionally, edit other pages. I want to be told if there are newer edits on the main article pages that I have edited, plus user space, etc. So, I want to leave the "pages I edit" box checked. I don't, however, need to be told every time that any of the refdesk pages get edited. Partly because that's where I spend all my time anyway, and partly because those six pages get hundreds of edits per day (RD-Science is up past 70 for today). Any other entries in the watchlist get buried by all of the refdesk (and, now, helpdesk) entries. I am trying to ask if there is a way of telling the watchlist generator to NOT put particular pages on the watchlist. "Unwatch" the refdesk is a simple task, but it must be done after every edit, or my watchlist rapidly grows to 16 pages, which, I submit, is unwieldy. As I pointed out at first, I'd like to make the watchlist useful. It's not, when all edits to the refdesk (and now the helpdesk) get entries in my watchlist. -SandyJax (talk) 21:40, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      I think there are two things you might try. First, on your watchlist page, there's a link at the top for "view and edit watchlist". That lists all of the pages you have watched with checkboxes. You can go through and check all of the pages you no longer wish to watch, then simply click "remove from watchlist" at the bottom. Secondly, the only way (that I am aware of, anyway) a page gets added to your watchlist without clicking "watch this page" at the top, is to have the checkbox right underneath the edit summary checked. It may be that when you respond to a refdesk question, that box is accidentally checked. Hopefully, that helps! TNX-Man 21:46, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      I've been doing your first; that's what made me realize the problem. Your second is my best answer so far, but again it depends upon my keeping track of that checkbox, which is minor but it's one of those things that a computer, or network of computers, should be able to automate for us. In fact, it _is_ being automated for me, and I want it to stop. At least, for those 7 pages. -SandyJax (talk) 21:53, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      I have verified that manually editing the watchlist and adding an entry with a minus sign in front "-Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language" does nothing but add that as another article to be watched. In red, of course, because there is no such article. -SandyJax (talk) 21:57, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Hmm. Interesting. Are you making automatic edits (using Twinkle, Huggle, or the like)? Those scripts may have settings that automatically add certain pages to your watchlist. I know that Twinkle does it with PROD tags and reverts unless specifically told not to add them. TNX-Man 22:00, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      I think you have two choices: You can either leave the “watch pages I edit” checked and manually uncheck “watch this page” when you save a ref desk edit. Or you can uncheck “watch pages I edit” and manually check “watch this page” when you edit other pages. Another possibility might be to write some code in your monobook.js to check or uncheck “watch this page” depending on the page you are editing. —teb728 t c 22:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      If you have "watch pages I edit" checked, and you edit a page that is already on your list, it doesn't get added again, so the code that adds pages clearly does a test for "already there" before adding it. Thus, the possibility exists for that function to be invoked. Anyone have access to the code that does this? There should be a way to add a page to the list in the negative sense, as in "Don't watch this page". I'm not up to writing that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SandyJax (talkcontribs) 23:01, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Heck, I can't even remember to sign my entries, much less remember that check box. -SandyJax (talk) 23:17, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      I've having difficulty seeing that a watchlist of 16 pages is "unwieldy". Many editors here will have much more and can scan watchlists without difficulty for what is actually important enough to check. (I have 2,800 on my watchlist at present and I'm hardly unique in that.) How hard can it be to think "oh, that's a reference desk edit, so I won't check that"?! <grump/> BencherliteTalk 23:25, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      It's entirely possible that you can contribute more resources (time, brains, whatever) than I can. Um, how many of your watched pages get more than 100 edits per day? That's the key, here. If the page only occasionally changes, well then maybe it would be nice to have the servers tell us when that happens (Hey! let's create an automated watchlist to tell us!). If, however, a page gets so much activity that you already know it's been changed, and you need to go see it, then all you get by having it "watched" is several hundred entries per day that do nothing but make it hard for you to find the changes you want to know about, in the seldom-edited pages. Let's NOT watch the pages that have such churn. Let's figure out how to turn it off. -SandyJax (talk) 23:56, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      OK, I'm confused. The watchlist shows only the most recent change on each page, so with 16 pages, you'll have at most 16 "most recent edits" on display - not hundreds at any one time. BencherliteTalk 00:08, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      See: Help:Watching pages#Simple Watchlist and Help:Watching pages#Expanded Watchlist. Maybe you selected the expanded watchlist in your preferences. You probably want the simple watchlist. This may be another example of why the watchlist page needs a more obvious link to its help page. --Teratornis (talk) 06:48, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Why doesn't the Special:Preferences Watchlist tab link to the help page that explains the options? I can see why the checkbox: "Expand watchlist to show all applicable changes" would confuse someone. --Teratornis (talk) 06:53, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Messed up jumble of HTML?

      Resolved
       – 6 June 2008 Tiggerjay (talk) 05:29, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Hello, I am a contributor to the Wikipedia article Katara, and recently I have been having trouble wih some HTML on the page. Right below where the references are cited, there is a section entitled, Appearence in other media. I have tried multiple times to sort out this HTML so that it will work, but to no avail, eventually I gave up on the idea and tried removing the entire section as it contained a very minute amount of information that could be replaced shortly after. However, once I deleted the section, the entire reference list was deleted as well, even though they are in different sections. If someone could un-tangle the HTML or figure out how to get rid of it without deleting the references I would be most thankful.([[User talk:Kurowoofwoof111|talk]]) (talk) 20:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      June 6

      Upload File Problem

      I cannot upload a revised image. The message is "unauthorized." I need to replace a picture of Firouz Naderi. How do I make this change?

      CdloewenCdloewen (talk) 00:16, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Yeah, you must make 10 edits and wait 4 days before you are allowed to upload files. Make sure you've read the image upload policy before uploading. Calvin 1998 (t-c) 00:21, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Although your account dates back a few years, a recent change means that editors now have to make 10 edits before becoming "auto-confirmed" and able to upload files. So, although you could in the past, you can't now. A few more edits will take you over the threshold, though. (You're the first editor I've seen become "un-auto-confirmed", though...) BencherliteTalk 00:24, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Footnote color

      Resolved
       – 6 June 2008 Tiggerjay (talk) 05:28, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      I'm in the midst of constructing a template about using references and need to match the color of footnotes. Anyone know offhand what color these--> [1][2][3][4][5] are? (they're not purple [1][2][3][4][5] nor blue [1][2][3][4][5]).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:39, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      hexcode 0000ff ? Calvin 1998 (t-c) 01:00, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      no, it's hexcode #002BB8 . I used Firebug to peek at the CSS stylesheets. Calvin 1998 (t-c) 01:06, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Thanks Calvin. After looking at your post they still looked completely different to me. I figured it must be a display issue—my browser deciding that I had looked at footnotes before and coloring them to show "already clicked on". Lo and behold, looking at them in a different browser shows them to be identical.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:46, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Style query about referencing

      Resolved
       – 6 June 2008 Tiggerjay (talk) 05:29, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      If references are from dictionaries and commentaries, as tertiary refs should they be inline cites, or not? I thought only secondary/primary texts were necessarily cited inline. Thanks, Julia Rossi (talk) 01:38, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      I don't see how the nature of the reference should change the method of citation. We may say this or that particular source is no good at all or could be better, but the reason we choose inline citations over other methods is for transparency; ease of seeing exactly what reference is being used to verify what information. That rationale seems to me to persist regardless of whether a source is primary, secondary or tertiary.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:53, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Ah, thanks. I'll leave the tag on the article then. It has a forest of 3ary refs at the bottom of the page for someone to sort through and place inline. Good to know, Julia Rossi (talk) 01:58, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Table help

      Resolved
       – 6 June 2008 Tiggerjay (talk) 05:28, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      This seems like it should be so simple but I've been staring at Help:Table for a while now and I've not found an answer nor has playing with it, inserting colspans, rowspans, nesting a second table inside and so on. In the example table below, I'd like each of the top and bottom rows (A and F) to take up the entire length of the rows they are in as single cells, stacked right above and below the sandwiched rows (B-C and D-E).

      A
      B C
      D E
      F

      --Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:21, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Something like this, perhaps?

      A
      B C
      D E
      F

      Sounds like you're asking about colspans (in this case, colspan=2). Also demonstrated "align=center" in the F cell, in case you want that as well. – Luna Santin (talk) 04:27, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Thank you! I had thought colspan was the way but when I played with it I missed the trailing pipe.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:34, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      please clarify one sentence in spoken english

      we can say "i was ill" is correct to spoken in spoken english. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.53.13.134 (talk) 05:09, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

      Hmm? Can you explain your question a little further? And Please sign your post by typing four tildes (~~~~) or clicking the signature button above the edit box which looks like this: . Do NOT sign in articles. Calvin 1998 (t-c) 05:15, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      Yes, "I was ill" is both grammatically correct and an unremarkable (i.e., not an unusual or awkward) turn of phrase.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:36, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      For further questions about English grammar, please ask here: Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language. This Help desk is for questions about using Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 06:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      1. ^ a
      2. ^ a
      3. ^ a
      4. ^ a
      5. ^ a