User talk:Gerda Arendt

Mass in B minor structure

Did you know ... that Johann Sebastian Bach reworked music from more than three decades earlier for the central piece Crucifixus in the symmetrical structure of his Mass in B minor? (23 May 2013)

work in progress

Welcome!

Hello, Gerda Arendt, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, like Graham Waterhouse, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines for page creation, and may soon be deleted. ... --> Again, welcome! Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:39, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

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Flowers and sapphires

Go Gerda Girl

You do great work and I love it! Don't let Tony get to you. Ihre Arbeit ist grossartig. Weiter schreiben, eien lange Zeit. PS, I really liked the article about the church the communists blew up. BarkingMoon (talk) 11:50, 19 June 2011 (UTC) Sehr geehrte Gerda, I have a watch on your page since a few weeks ago. I approved and moved 167 to holding for June 24.BarkingMoon (talk) 12:11, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:13, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Keine Problem. Koennen Sie ueberpruefen DYK Noel F. Parrish? Danke. BarkingMoon (talk) 12:14, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Later, yes, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:24, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

See my talk page. Thanks so much! BarkingMoon (talk) 11:13, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

On 30 December 2011 the article became a GA, thanks to Ched, PumpkinSky and MathewTownsend, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:40, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Flowers!

	Wonderful comment
	For your wonderful comment, cutting right to the heart of the matter! cmadler (talk) 13:18, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

For a true gem of a person ...

	words of reason and trust
	To quote you: Thank you for speaking up with decency and fairness, treating editors as living people, — Ched :  ?  15:58, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

German-English

You asked for an English translation of "uneinsichtig, unbelehrbar und beratungsresistent". Without consulting a dictionary, I translate those words as "uninsightful, unteachable, and resistant to advice", but there may be a more nuanced or idiomatic meaning that I am missing. The single English word that comes to mind to describe that set of characteristics is "pig-headed" (that is probably not an English word you know, but I think it is a word you will enjoy). I also think of the Wikipedia item WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT.

Your English is much better than my Deutsch, so I am happy when I can help you expand your knowledge. I didn't respond on the page where you asked the question because I think it is a bad idea to continue the argument ("bickering") there. Also, I think it is best to avoid making accusations against people, because that often makes people angry, while failing to help them see the problem. (See Wikipedia:Avoid personal remarks.) --Orlady (talk) 14:54, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

I certainly enjoyed the new word and your sensible way of handling the case. I just asked words, didn't I? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:00, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, but "pig-headed" has more negative connotations than "hard-headed" or "stubborn". I will not choose a term to apply to this situation, per one of the above cited policies. Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:20, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Learning, thank you! (Just approved your Aku hook), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:24, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

• Alright, thanks! Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:11, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

"impervious" rings a bell: "impervious to pain, up to a certain point" (The Fountainhead), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:26, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Orlady, einsicht is indeed insight or understanding, but in this context uneinsichtig is nearer to "unreasonable". I suggest "unreasonable, incorrigible, and impervious to advice". Pig-headed is good. Moonraker (talk) 09:56, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for more insight, on top of your brilliant idiomatic translation of the 1715 text about the (equal) skills of females to study, see above, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:57, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Cherry Impact event barnstar

		The Cherry Impact Event Award
		I hereby award Gerda Arendt this Cherry Impact Event Award for the global impact your incredibly delightful sweetness and extraordinary talent brings to all of us! . – Dreadstar † 07:01:00, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Standing Strong

	When the Ill Winds Blow No Good
	I saw this image and thought of you and all you've done to help PS and Khazar. You are a bastion of refuge when the storm clouds come in, and I for one would like to thank you. Don't worry about people talking behind your back - as they say, "sticks and stones". Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:13, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

uh, a tree for you

	Tree award? These have to be "awards"?
	Hi, Gerda. I was editing Desivojca, and it has this nice tree photo from the "Komani neighborhood", so I figured it should be seen more. Enjoy. Alarbus (talk) 15:55, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

I do, I love trees! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:59, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	For believing in the goodness of people above all. For having faith and being willing to work on a cause that seemed hopeless. MathewTownsend (talk) 23:27, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

AMEN to that! Gerda is one of the kindest, most decent people I've ever met. In this case, wiki-met, not met in person, though I'd love to do that one day.PumpkinSky talk 11:37, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, yes, please, all of it! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:41, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

• — Ched :  ?  00:37, 16 April 2012 (UTC) Like

The Mandarax Barnstar of Excellence

		The Mandarax Barnstar of Excellence
		I am pleased to award this MBE to you in recognition of your outstanding work on Wikipedia. Your numerous DYKs have achieved the noble goal of highlighting culture on the Main Page. Your work with other users is exemplary, and you're one of the nicest Wikipedians, always supporting and encouraging other users. Thanks for all of your superb contributions! MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:14, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! - I was tempted to say "Blushing", but every time I say so the user is gone a week later, I don't want to miss you also ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:19, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

ps: I would like to share this award with my br'er Rabbit, the incarnation of selfless service to this project ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:15, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Your not saying it seems to have worked – it's been a week and I'm still here! I just finished my latest article (my first in a long time). It's about an artist who was born and raised in Germany and was very interested in music. For some reason, that made me think of you.... MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 22:01, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

I didn't say it, as much as I was tempted! - Thanks for staying with me, and for the article! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:25, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Knock on wood, as I blushed as well recently ;) Muggeseggele is still facing extinction while the Mans parking was guided so well to DYK by our fairy maiden - Glückauf Serten (talk) 10:23, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

You found #1, I blushed three more times, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:25, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

nice edit notice ;)

• http://wikipediocracy.com/
• http://wikipediocracy.com/2012/10/31/tis-the-season-to-be-banning-at-wikipedia/

• Mads Lange

A Halloween present from Wikipediocracy on my eighth anniversary. Best wishes. Mads Lange (talk) 09:28, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

'tis the season

nice comment, peace maker - I pass free treats today, Reformation, even the Bach cantata got a pumpkin + I like sharing, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:32, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

"There Was an Old Woman Who Lived in a Shoe"

You mentioned this article on my talk page earlier. The reason I did a bit of work on it was partly because it was pretty poor, but more selfishly I wanted to start an article on the topic of concealed shoes, and I didn't it want it to be immediately tagged as an orphan; I hate those tags. I've emailed Northampton Museum asking if someone from there could take a look at the article, and it would be good if you and/or your talk-page stalkers could have a quick look through as well, to see if there's anything that could do with a bit more explanation. I'm not asking for any kind kind of formal review, just a quick eyeball to see if there's anything obviously missing, or that doesn't make sense.

Cheers! (Yes, I've had a couple of glasses of wine, and perhaps you'll join me. I find it helps the creative juices to flow. ;-) ) George Ponderevo (talk) 19:31, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, will look but not soon, want to get Fauré's Requiem to presentable until the composer appears as TFA on 4 November, translate a Bach cantata to German until Saturday and Der Handschuh asap, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:43, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Would you like me to take a look as well? Malleus Fatuorum 19:56, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Sure, all of them ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:58, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

OK, later. Have to warn you though that I'm not really a Wikipedian, have never been a Wikipedian, and I scare away women, children and new editors. Allegedly. But I'll try and be gentle. Malleus Fatuorum 20:03, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

matching my Category:Wikipedians who are not part of The Community --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:13, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Brains Work Better Barnstar

		The 'Brains Work Better in A Community' Award
		You and I walk on the same side of the street. Thank you for all your efforts to befriend and assist your fellow Wikipedian Editors (WE). Bottom line: WE are all living breathing people that desire love. Your efforts have a cascading effect throughout WP. What's so bad about Peace, Love and Understanding? ```Buster Seven Talk 01:42, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, blushing again. (See above, not afraid that you will leave within a week ;) Thanks to Elen for the colour.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:43, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

WP:FPC

Sorry about Colin. You are, of course, welcome to participate. I've actually noticed your name around, as I coded a lot of the WikiProject Opera backend - composer of the month and such, so I do see edits to it. =) Haven't really done mcuh in opera for a bit; should poke around my collection and see what comes out. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 16:59, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

No problem, really, I am used to it ;) Colin is of course absolutely right that I support/recognize the quality contributions of banned editors. - Look above, we are striving for a politer expression for "toxic place" - and the desire to overcome it. - Music helps, go for it! Did you see "ban complaining" on my user page? ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:08, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

ps: now I have to insert the ref for the sad news that another musician whose biography I wrote, died, Franz Lehrndorfer, teacher of our cantor, RIP, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:12, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

As promised:

Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 17:07, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Lovely and fitting, thank you ;) - Did you read civility and team spirit, my windmills? - Verbannet die Klage, "ban complaining", not "ban mourning", see? That was well before the last banning posse ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:16, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Heh. I could tell you some interesting stories about uncivil arbritrators, but think I shall refrain, as it was some time ago. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 23:04, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Refrain, - a good refrain. The arbitrators were ok last time, it's Teh Community I am ashamed to be part of ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:44, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Pony!
Congratulations! For helping me format my Pony Prize, you have received a pony! Ponies are cute, intelligent, cuddly, friendly (most of the time, though with notable exceptions), promote good will, encourage patience, and enjoy carrots. Treat your pony with respect and he will be your faithful friend! Montanabw^(talk) 20:57, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Respect! Thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:01, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Happy New Year Gerda

Dear Gerda, I am too busy thinking about all sorts of silly things and forgot to send you a greeting for the New Year, if such things amuse you. At any rate I'm glad to see you are still here and have not been distracted by the Wikifollies (!) I saw The Hobbit (film) on IMAX 3-d the other day and thought it was awesome. Snow is settling on Ipswich tonight so it all looks very pretty by streetlight, if cold underfoot. I hope you have yet another brilliant year in WP and of course (far more important) a brilliant year in the Reality (whatever you construe that to be) which is The Great Outside... If there is such a thing as a Jahresentwicklung I hope that yours will be frohlich. - Season's greetings, (Steven) Eebahgum (talk) 23:49, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Steven, I appreciate your personal thoughts and wish you no less than the same! - I didn't send "individual" greetings but had Christmas music on my user, - a remnant is still there now like a motto: "ban complaining". It's not the same as "ban mourning", - look above and for sing praises ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:07, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Defender of the Integrity of Wikipedia

		The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
		Dear Gerda, it's always a struggle trying to defend the integrity of Wikipedia as a real encyclopedia, against the COMMONNAME philistines who keep wanting to dumb it down instead of redirecting to correct article titles. I'm awed by your efforts. Milkunderwood (talk) 22:39, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Legend

I like your [[File:Scuttled ships.jpg]] legend.
All the best! –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 14:20, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks should go to Wehwalt, who took the photo - thinking of a legend - and coined the phrase on his user, - perhaps I should credit him but thought the pic would tell those whose "inquiring mind wants to know", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:25, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Ha, ha! Excellent! –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 14:38, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

... and this is my real name ... never could understand the reason for a nom de plume ... but then it would be absurd to imagine that it is not my name –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 21:34, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Andreas Scholl

I've finished with the lead now Gerda, hope you think it does the subject justice. Ironically, now that the lead's been expanded, I much prefer the uncollapsed infobox (I might even prefer no infobox at all in this case, but that's a separate story). The length of the infobox vs. the length of the lead is a factor that seems to have been largely ignored in all of the recent "discussions". Malleus Fatuorum 04:59, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! (This is without looking yet, I trust your quality.) - Did you see that I took the picture (not the lead, the other)? Same day as the one of another church where he appeared and you liked. I will not touch the infobox until the "collapse discussion is over", see talk. - There should be more in it, will look into that later, see talk. - A good infobox should draw the interest of someone who just came to find one fact into reading the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:17, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

I only looked at the lead Gerda. May I ask you a personal question? Is Gerda Arendt your real name? If you're suspicious about why I'm asking you then just email me and I'll explain, nothing sinister I promise. Malleus Fatuorum 07:33, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

If I was a suspicious person I would not write under my real name ;) - if you have time, go over the rest, - if you look at the history, you will see that it was started by a devotee, ready to mention every note he sang, I dropped a lot of that but a bit more of one style would be great. You won't believe how many people crowded our concert just to hear him. He said he would come again (about the highest praise a church choir can receive) but has no time for the next one, David Erler will sing alto then, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:39, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

The reason I asked was because I'm thinking of adding my real name to my user page. I feel foolish editing under a pseudonym like "Malleus Fatuorum", and if my real name isn't already bagged I may request a change. Either way, I think a little more openness might go a long way. Malleus Fatuorum 07:47, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Good idea! - Good luck! (You will need it, because as far as I know Andy Mabbett tried the same, but was not permitted to change, that's how his signature got so long.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:52, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

I'll see if my real name is available. Back on the subject of Scholls though, I've heard some old recordings of castrati. Can he really reach those high notes with his balls still in place? Malleus Fatuorum 07:58, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

There were soprano castrati and alto. He can singer everything alto, your recordings may be soprano. There are males who can those also. - His wonderful event for the Rheingau Musik Festival - 3 concerts in 3 churches in one day will be repeated this year (different programs and one church different)! - That festival could also use a better lead ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

ps:for name changes, ask 28bytes, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:12, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

What do you think about the castrato article? Malleus Fatuorum 08:27, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

no time, need to talk to ArbCom and go to church ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:31, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Your friend

I'm sorry to hear of your loss. I hope you can find comfort in happy memories. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:01, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. - The funeral was yesterday, dear friends flew in from the US and are with us, - most important. There's always time for data, but not people, thanks for understanding that! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:11, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

ps: he participated in writing this, but died gently from a stroke. If I wrote an article (but I know to little about his scientific accomplishments) it would be the forth for a friend who died, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:17, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to hear about this Gerda, who was it?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:07, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for sending me the sapphire for fighting with love! I really appreciate that and all your help with Josiah Gregg who finally made it to the front page of DYK last night! I learned so much during this DYK nomination; the last four were almost too easy, but they were for articles I wrote from nothing to finished. This one got in trouble I think because of the old editor having issues with some other editors ... fortunately all past now. I think I will go back to editing California State Senate districts, rearranging Commons photos, or something in the shadows for a while. I have a couple of other articles to start that are already in lists of museums and lists of historic buildings, but there is so little published secondary material about things in Humboldt County, California that it is difficult to get more than a stub. Again thank you for the award, it really cheered me up this morning! I thank you again for all your help with our troublesome explorer who may or may not have fallen from a horse (or a mule) before or after his demise. The "Mad River" was most appropriately named I think. Cheers!! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:13, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks ;) Do you know the photographer of the Yogo sapphire? He's working on Montana, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:31, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

I don't know User:Montanabw yet, he seems like a very nice person! I am mostly working on far northwestern California which is that bump that sticks out in the Pacific Ocean because of the Mendocino Triple Junction. It is a very wild area with steep mountains and many rivers - much like the part of Montana that the sapphires are from, but of lower coastal elevation! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:43, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Two authors mainly worked on the sapphire (a great example of teamwork, look at the history), PumpkinSky took the photo - the model for my award. I think its not a secret that both are my friends ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:48, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you so much for the message of human support on my talk page and the beautiful precious stone you gave me there. A person's Infobox is a very common feature in most WP pages I know. It is almost a basic feature of historic person's pages on WP. I don't understant the opposition to it on the Handel page. It should be trivial IMO. In any case, thanks again. It is nice to start to follow the work of another awesome Wikpedian more closely. Keep up the great work you do here! warshy^talk 18:03, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Editor's Barnstar
	Thought you deserve at least this much for all the help and support you gave me, right from my very first moment, oh and by the way I'm Back in action!!! Thanks once again for all Everything! The Wikimon (talk) 13:25, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, feels good! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:57, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

You don't seem too pleased to see me back... Anyways, Wikipedia servers must be working over time. I'm am unable to keep a page open for even a minute before reloading it. Nothing is opening quickly, links are slow and its pissing me off. Are you suffering from the same problem??? Its a real fist clenching anger!!! The Wikimon (talk) 14:16, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to disappoint you. Look at my talk: I rarely use an exclamation mark, you got one! Read further, I miss friends, dead or gone, I have arguments with people I respect ... - No, loading is normal, normally slow, that is. - I get ready for Good Friday, and hope for Easter (we celebrate Monday also), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:34, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Writer's Barnstar
	This is for your continuing work on the Bach Cantatas, in particular Jesus nahm zu sich die Zwölfe, BWV 22 which I just chose as this month's Christian art in the Icthus Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 01:25, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

I feel honoured, and encouraged to tackle the St Matthew Passion and the Mass in B minor as long term goals, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:43, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Easter music

Great choices! :) We did the Palestrina Sicut cervus too, and K. 194, and... a bunch of Anglican stuff that I don't remember :P ~ Riana ⁂ 06:01, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

I am so grateful to my conductors! We (my first infobox!) will sing the Sparrow Mass in less than two hours in rehearsal (the only one with the orchestra), one hour later in the service. The others were last night, + smaller works. Happy Easter, to everyone reading this! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:21, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Happy Easter

"Kommt, eilet und laufet". Frohe Ostern, Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

thanks for coming! (to another article with an infobox) - to you, too!

ANI Notice

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Jusdafax 05:19, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Your first, my first, responded ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:07, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

When articles for individual performers, individual works, and even individual albums, can all have an infobox, I am still quite amazed that the article for a composer (and musician) as monumental as J. S. Bach should not be deemed worthy of an infobox. Is the argument that they "all look just the same"? Or is it just that he's so imporatnt that he transcends such mundane trivia? Regards, Martinevans123 (talk) 12:28, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

It's not Bach, it's an almost religious belief that "boxing" people is trivialising them, since 2005, look. I am sad that several good editors lost patience, last GFHandel, you know who before, - but my first barnstar was for resilience ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:38, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

infoboxes for classical music composers

Καλό Πάσχα, Gerda!
I do think articles for composers and their works should have infoboxes. That said, I am saddened by what is going on here. Listening to Glenn Gould's 1981 recording of the Goldberg Variations right now, and wishing the whole mess hadn't happened. Ma è la via del mondo. Pete aka --Shirt58 (talk) 09:06, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

I was told it went on since 2005, - at least it was told well: Did you know that L'infobox infernale (The Hellish Infobox), an opera semiseria in 25 acts, is the longest running opera ever staged on Wikipedia? - A look at the proposed {{Infobox opera}}, especially its sample, is a good way to cheer up! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:10, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

The infobox saga seems more like a soap opera some days! LOL!  ;-) Montanabw^(talk) 16:44, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Holzhausenschlösschen

I'm not quite sure I'm understanding this: "The Holzhausen family, one of the most important families of the free imperial city Frankfurt from 1245 ...". Is that saying that in 1245, for whatever reason, the Holzhausen family joined the ranks of Frankfurt's most important families? Or is it saying that Frankfurt became a free imperial city in 1245? It's the mention of that very specific year that's puzzling; in 1245 something happened that resulted in the Holzhausen family becoming one of the most important in Frankfurt? Malleus Fatuorum 10:12, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

We should probably untangle an overly long sentence. The source says "Von 1245-1923 gehörte sie zu den angesehensten Familien Frankfurts.", [the family] belonged to the most respected (?) families of Frankfurt. Frankfurt was a Freie Reichsstadt (without nobility) before. The fact about the builder trying to imitate the lifestyle of nobility is - unfortunately - in none of the online sources, the de-author will have gotten it from one of the books. The year doesn't have to be mentioned if the period can be described well. - Thanks for looking, I am uneasy about architecture terms! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:26, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I can hardly tell my corbels from my corbusier, so I'm just as uneasy as you are about architectural terms. Malleus Fatuorum 11:22, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Nicely put. I am not sure about garbed roofs and such. Should I ask Giano, although it seems not palacy enough, compared to his? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:46, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

It's well worth asking Giano, I've always found him to be very helpful. I'm not at all sure about that Mansard roof for instance, doesn't look like what I'd call a Mansard roof ... Malleus Fatuorum 12:19, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

One needs a long course in architecture to understand half the articles with architectural references on here. The average Listed Building articles is written in gobbledygook.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:36, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Only semi-gobbledygook. It's the maths articles that make full use of gobbledygook. Malleus Fatuorum 12:42, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

True.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:45, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I just learned the term here, with a link! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:54, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

If everyone followed your example this would be a much finer community, and we wouldn't have the problem with editor retention we do. But anyway -- just wanted to say thanks. Please continue! Antandrus (talk) 14:20, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, blushing again ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:48, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Bach

Thank you for your note; I will try to clarify. My meaning was that infoboxes often do more harm than good, so the article is better without one. There are many ways that an infobox may oversimplify biographical details and mislead readers, as described by myself and several other editors on the Bach talk page. The Michelangelo infobox you asked me about is a good example: a reader learns little, and may be badly confused and misinformed. Here is a list of everything that is in the infobox:

The name of the article (useless repetition, because the reader already knows this)

An image (good, but an image does not need an infobox)

Birth name (useless repetition, because it's in the first sentence of the lede)

Date of birth (useless repetition, because it's in the first sentence of the lede)

Place of birth (useless repetition, because it's in the first sentence below the TOC)

Date of death (useless repetition, because it's in the first sentence of the lede)

Place of death (not in the lede, but easy to find; I took a guess and clicked section 1.6 in the TOC "Last works in Rome" and there it was. I think learning how to use a TOC is a useful skill which should be encouraged, and if necessary we could make it even easier for readers by creating section 16.1 "Death")

Field (useless repetition, because it's in the first sentence of the lede)

Training (not very helpful, and misleading; the reader cannot know whether Ghirlandaio trained Michelangelo in sculpture, poetry, architecture, painting (or all of these) without reading the article, and the reader needs to read the article to know that Michelangelo studied sculpture under Bertoldo di Giovanni)

Movement (useless repetition, because Italian Renaissance and Renaissance man are in the first 2 sentences of the lede, and High Renaissance is in the last sentence of the lede)

Works (misleading; four works are listed; the reader who reads the infobox and not the lede may think Michelangelo produced only four works. One of the four works (The Creation of Adam) is actually part of another one (Sistine Chapel Ceiling), but the infobox makes it appear that they are separate.)

I will not repeat this time-consuming exercise for the Kafka infobox, but I hope this makes my objections more clear. It saddens me to think that "some readers will read the infobox only", although I believe you are correct in this statement. It is a good reason not to put an infobox in an article, because the reader who spends 20 seconds to read the first few sentences of the article will be so much better informed than the unfortunate person who looks at the infobox and imagines that the key facts are there. I think that an image with a caption, as now appears at the top of the Bach article, is best, so no need for any infobox.

I looked at the first category of biographical articles at Wikipedia:Featured articles and the numbers are 21 with infoboxes, 10 without, which proves there is no need to add one to every article. To me, it proves that a well-written article can meet the test for Featured Article status even when it is marred by an infobox! More seriously, I have already stated on the Bach talk page that I think infoboxes are somewhat helpful for certain biographies—especially athletes, where statistics are important and not much else is important. We need to know a runner's fastest times, and an infobox can supply these efficiently; we are not so interested in their philosophical beliefs, marriages, most important works, etc. I think most articles about athletes have infoboxes—although a moment ago I selected a random article about a runner to look at an infobox, and picked Arne Andersson because he's at the front of the alphabet, and you see that he does not have one. And still the important information is easy to find, right there in the lede where it belongs, and the article (which already has a succession box) looks better without a second box to crowd the text. Besides athletes, I think infoboxes are suitable for most politicians and some criminals (perhaps partly because the resemblance to a booking photograph appeals to me)... Surprisingly, some competitive activities where one would think infoboxes would be useful, like chess, are not very suitable to infobox presentation. For examples of how little an infobox adds that is not already in the lede, see José Raúl Capablanca and Tigran Petrosian.

Editors appear to be leaving Wikipedia because of this rather silly battle. Even your politely-worded suggestion on a talk page ignited a long and rancorous argument among many editors, and of course there was no consensus, so this was not a good use of anybody's time. I do not plan to initiate a campaign to remove the infobox from the Michelangelo article, even though I believe that this would be an improvement. There are better ways to improve Wikipedia. Ewulp (talk) 02:26, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your detailed thoughts. Whatever you say about repetition does not reflect that an infobox should NOT add content, only structure it, to my understanding. No box can do justice to artistic creativity, but the same is true for any words. (I said so on Bach.) I was asked above to stop. Stop ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi Gerda. Thanks for the kind thoughts. Over the past few days, I've been finding out that, like many things, editing Wikipedia requires constant practice. We (ok, mostly you) created a lot of composer articles for the Munich Biennale, and now I have to work hard to remember everything that needs done. Let's see how I get on with creating Nikolay Strelnikov ... Scarabocchio (talk) 22:04, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Excellent! Content, content, content - don't like ANI, - der Himmel lacht --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:32, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks......

....for your kind words as well as the "Award", received with thanks.

I certainly enjoy your daily updates on the DYK section of the WP Opera page. Keep up the good work. Greetings from Santa Fe, where we have a little opera company that has survived for 57 years or so.....Viva-Verdi (talk) 00:43, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Discussion at Template:Bullying

You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Bullying#This reversion. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:26, 16 April 2013 (UTC)Template:Z48

Sorry, not my music, it's BWV 103 right now, for an absent friend, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:33, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Oh that's all right. I really hate to see good editors (such as myself, having done 10 good articles and over 10 featured articles) leave the project. My music is And did those feet in ancient times, also for Dreadstar. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 22:01, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

See impact, if you can (and I thought I could archive it) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

speaking of impact, see also: balls or "Pumpkin in the sky with diamonds", 18 April 2012, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:07, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. You're such a sweetheart. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 06:12, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

By the way, is it possible to work on the Frederic Chopin article or the Benjamin Britten article? And before I go, do note that I have an exceptionally low tolerance for uncalled for disrespect over trivial matters or being involved in any dispute. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 06:04, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I have the beloved composers on my watchlist, guess I need a translation for your tolerance issue ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:23, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I don't know, having been involved with the project over 6 years, over 50,000 edits and have had at least a few successful GANs (without all of the Wiki-drama) and at least 6 successful FA nominations but guess what: it seems that Dreadstar is back! Meanwhile, I am working on Benjamin Britten in my sandbox. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:49, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

I am happy that Dreadstar cut his "vacation" short ;) - I still don't know what you mean by "exceptionally low tolerance for uncalled for disrespect over trivial matters or being involved in any dispute", regarding me. I am in several disputes, see Classical music or Bach ;) - A piece by Britten is on the to do list on my user, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:40, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

FYI

I have opened up a program similar to the one you are operating at User:AutomaticStrikeout/Golden Editor. I seem to recall you expressing support for my possibly doing so in the past, but I figured I should leave a note here anyway. AutomaticStrikeout (T • C • Sign AAPT) 02:32, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Best news is that I can move you on our sad list (again)! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

No problem. I appreciate the work you do and look forward to working along side you now. AutomaticStrikeout (T • C • Sign AAPT) 15:03, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

I like yours! In your introduction, you may mention that it wasn't my idea, I copied Rlevse, he continued Phaedriel, others did it also ... - or just link to User:Gerda Arendt/PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:13, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I have made a small change to reflect that. AutomaticStrikeout (T • C • Sign AAPT) 15:19, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Sometimes no is the best answer.

I saw your question to user:The Interior. I am happy to tell you that no is the answer.[1] I had noticed this edit in relative real time and was very quick to respond.[2] I started to email you and ask that you post a message; actually writing the email. But I didn't send it because I didn't want to orchestrate sincerity. I am so very glad to see that you arrived on your own, and even more delighted to see that you had already made a day precious in this user's name; for clearly they are. Just as you are still awesome. My76Strat (talk) 08:51, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

good news, yes! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:14, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

	Love the shirt!
	Just got the shirt through the Merchandise Giveaway Programme. Thanks for your vote of confidence!  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:39, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Becoming! (Much better than "Mourning becomes ...") --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:49, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

First ever Wiki Angel Award

		The Wiki Angel Award
		Gerda, es macht mich glücklich, dir den ersten Wiki Angel Award geben. Du bist ein true Wiki Angel und feine Dame.PumpkinSky talk 18:13, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

• This is awesome ... wish I would have thought of it. :) — Ched :  ?  18:26, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!!! (blushing again, see above) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:32, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Words are not enough

	Angel of sweet kindness
	Your support while I was having a rough time and then your warm welcome back upon my return are indescribably heartwarming and most welcome...thank you! Dreadstar ☥ 15:51, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I hope you realise that I was selfish: I wanted you to stay! I see too many who give up or find better things to do. Feel free to join my red cat, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:21, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Sir Adrian

Gerda, what a pleasing note from you on my talk page! You are too kind, but I walk a little taller for that beautifully-phrased compliment. Tim riley (talk) 19:03, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Huge Heart Barnstar.
		For all the kindness that you show to your fellow editors, User:Keilana has said that you, Gerda, deserve this award.

Thank you so much, also for taking care of all those women scientists! How many hits did your "organ"-related DYK get? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:49, 1 May 2013 (UTC) ps: checked myself, 15,299, congrats! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:51, 1 May 2013 (UTC) Thoroughly deserved!!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 12:24, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

You are a Golden Editor!

	Good as gold!
	For all the times you have brightened someone's day by declaring them 'Precious', you are a Golden Editor. AutomaticStrikeout (T • C • Sign AAPT) 02:57, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, precious! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:57, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Opera days

Dear Gerda, If you haven't used it yet you might get a reference to May Night by R. Korsakov in about now!! Not that we are having any May nights, they feel more like February mornings. I have a fine old recording of this opera with Sergei Lemeshev, great stylist that he was. About 1950. Nothing like a drowned fairy or two to cheer up an opera. Eebahgum (talk) 20:57, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Good idea ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:00, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Done! - Feel free to help me, finding them and inserting yourself, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:47, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

I fear I am too lazy to engage with that aspect of wikipedia. Eebahgum (talk) 22:20, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

For me, that's the sweet part of the day, no conflict, no fear, free choice ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:50, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Sorrow

I noticed your appreciation of Sorrow. The article was written as part of this collaboration: Wikipedia:GLAM/NAGW. We're also using QRpedia, so translation of articles into German (or other languages) would be most welcome! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:21, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

I have it in the back of my mind, same for Archaeology of Kosovo, - once I need less time for straightening out the Bach composition infoboxes and once I got my promised article closer to where I want it to be, I will think of it again ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:29, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Infobox with collapsible sections

		The Content Creativity Barnstar
		Thank you for being such a strong content editor -. Don't let the infobox wars and bad faith editors get to you. Your the type of editor we need more of here -  :-) Moxy (talk) 03:16, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, don't be afraid, I created my red cat after learning to despise "consensus", so am here to stay, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:10, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Precious gift

Thank you so much for your very sweet gift! I'm very pleased and honored to be a recipient, and truly delighted to discover that there are people like yourself who do such things. Wikipedia is suddenly a much, much nicer community :) SteveStrummer (talk) 19:43, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

As you can see in the list, I had great models. On my user I keep my own, remembering the feeling, - your nice response made my day today ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:41, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Marie Lloyd

Hi Gerda, I currently have Marie Lloyd performing at FAC, and generally behaving in a lewd and scandalous manner. So, if you have the time (and if the subject matter interests you), I would be eager to hear your thoughts should she take your fancy. ;) -- Cassianto^Talk 19:28, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I am interested, but have a few things on my mind, translate tomorrow's cantata BWV 68 to German, fill today's mass (red link on my user, also Lloyd), format the refs for the Pentecost cantatas (10 or so), write the next one for Trinity, and look into reverts of infoboxes ;) - but then I will look, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:44, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Wow that certainly is a list! No problem at all. If you do miss her FAC then I would still like to know your thoughts, so no rush. All the best --Cassianto^Talk 19:54, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

If you revert fewer infoboxes it may happen sooner ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:56, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Oh I see, this is punishment is it? I never revert, just seek consensus for implementing, just as I would if I were to request a removal. Anyway, that is a whole new conversation; Lloyd has been promoted as of now, so look in at your leisure. Shame. -- Cassianto^Talk 20:23, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

You see too much, if you see punishment. I didn't even look yet because it's the topic I am least interested in. I am thankful to anyone who adds an infobox for "my" articles, and not happy when an infobox I add to "my" articles gets reverted. For articles of others, I came to add when I know it's welcome, but suggest on the talk when I know it's not. - Of the list, I finished the recordings for BWV 68. - Congrats to the promotion! I am still interested in the performer and will look. Any date you want her to appear as TFA? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:36, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

"If you revert fewer infoboxes it may happen sooner" is written in such a way that it suggests I would have to wait longer due to my actions of apparently reverting infoboxes. I have assumed good faith in this incidentally. I work on the guide that "An infobox is neither required nor prohibited for any article." Whether to use one or not would be determined through a discussion and possible consensus on the talk page. I make no secret of my dislike of them on biographies, but think they work well on film, science,, geography, history, and royalty articles, etc... To answer your TFA question, I really don't know. We have missed the 90 year anniversary of her death, and have another nine years to wait for the centenary. I will see which date fits best. We may have to go with first performance, or wait two years to place a TFA on the 145th anniversary of her birth. Cheers -- Cassianto^Talk 21:22, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

(ec) Thanks for helping with the cantata! I did enough of the translation. - If you revert fewer simply means I have to look into fewer cases, so need less time for that. - I worked on the biography of Franz Kafka, as you may know, bio FA with an infobox. (I have a history of not liking them, did you know?) - TFA: simply suggest for any day, ladies are most welcome ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:37, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

I didn't know that, no. You are full of surprises young Gerda! I know the Kafka bio only too well having read it just a week ago, and was extremely impressed. I was going to list Joseph Grimaldi next for TFA, but ladies first. -- Cassianto^Talk 21:46, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Kafka: PumpkinSky did the work (including the infobox), I helped with the German, first winning an award in the Core Contest and then FA, planned for 22 September. - The writing was not easy because many editors had worked on it before. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:55, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

There is a mop reserved in your name

You are a remarkably exemplar editor. You would be a good administrator in my opinion, and you are qualified! You personify an Administrator without tools, and have gained my support; already!

My76Strat (talk) 22:38, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the expression of trust! You are not the first to suggest that, the answer still applies. Also you must have missed how disruptive I am ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:53, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough. I am livid at the tone of that Wagner discussion; clearly I should avoid injecting my thoughts there; if I am able. My76Strat (talk) 23:18, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

MIA

I had no idea such a page even existed! And strange that it said vanished without notice, I had a big banner saying I was moving, had no internet, and then had little to sporadic internet, etc. Anyway, I'm happily off that list. :) Sadly, I see many names that make me wish were not on the list. :( Oh good grief, someone point me to how to make smiley faces, lol. Ariel♥Gold 03:00, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

You are most welcome here! - In the sad list, others missed you. - I hear you are kind of an angel! But that it was said to me also puts it in perspective ;) - We sing "Come Holy Ghost" today, see my user, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:21, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		A jewel dropping down on me is quite unexpected but much appreciated. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 14:47, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

All I can say is simply, you do good work! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 14:47, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Wagner special

Richard Wagner
Richard Wagner, 1871
Born	(1813-05-22)22 May 1813 Leipzig
Died	23 February 1883(1883-02-23) (aged 69) Venice
Occupations	composer theatre director conductor librettist founder of the Bayreuth Festival
Years active	1833–1883 1833 (1833) – 1834 (1834): Würzburg 1834 (1834) – 1836 (1836): Magdeburg 1836 (1836) – 1837 (1837): Königsberg 1837 (1837) – 1839 (1839): Riga 1839 (1839) – 1842 (1842): Paris 1842 (1842) – 1849 (1849): Dresden 1849 (1849) – 1858 (1858): Zürich 1858 (1858) – 1862 (1862): Venice 1862 (1862) – 1864 (1864): Biebrich 1864 (1864) – 1865 (1865): Munich 1865 (1865) – 1871 (1871): Lucerne 1871 (1871) – 1882 (1882): Bayreuth 1882 (1882) – 1883 (1883): Venice
Notable work	Rienzi to Parsifal 1840 (1840) Rienzi 1841 (1841) Der fliegende Holländer 1844 (1844) Tannhäuser 1848 (1848) Lohengrin 1853 (1853) Das Rheingold 1854 (1854) Die Walküre 1856 (1856) Siegfried 1857 (1857) Tristan und Isolde 1862 (1862) Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg 1868 (1868) Götterdämmerung 1876 (1876) Parsifal
Style	Romantic
Spouses	Minna Planer (1836–1866) Cosima Wagner (1870–1883)
Children	Isolde Eva Siegfried
Signature

Does it come with extra cheese and pineapple? sounds appetizing!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 21:48, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

If you provide them ;) - I just placed Götterdämmerung on my talk, will leave now, as promised, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

• Happy Wagner's Birthday! AutomaticStrikeout  ?  14:22, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

• It is fun! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:32, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Wagner/Verdi/Alkan.....

I will leave Verdi to you and others; much as I love his music, I claim no special knowledge of his output. I am anyway concentrating on Charles-Valentin Alkan at present, who had the misfortune to be born in the same year as Wagner and Verdi. If you would like to come to Levoča this year, (4th-8th October) you can hear Verdi String 4tet, Wagner Wesendonck Lieder and Alkan complete chamber music, amongst a lot of other good stuff....If you can make it you will be very welcome. Best, --Smerus (talk) 14:49, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation, that souds interesting, but there's singing Schubert Mass No 6 on 3 Oct and travel with friends afterwards, so not likely. I will tell a friend who his from Slovakia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:59, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Mass in B minor structure

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:42, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Erhard Egidi

The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Es ist ein trotzig und verzagt Ding, BWV 176

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:02, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Gee

One of the Bach articles was reverted with an edit summary suggesting it was per your talk page, but I see nothing recent on your talk page. Just a heads up that there was a blatently inaccurage edit summary. Montanabw^(talk) 03:09, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

My talk page is long, so not to specifically mention where is not really helpful. I asked in one of those cases, and was pointed at the section where collapsing of longer lists is recommended and shown, compare the two versions on Richard Wagner. The big difference between collapsing sections (not acceptable for me) and collapsing long lists of one parameter (acceptable) has been discussed. Now we have to see what "long" means. For no Bach composition is the scoring long, not even for the Mass, and it certainly is where the music sounds and should be heard. I understand that Voceditenore also goes for visible scoring, see template discussion, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 04:17, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. But there seems to be a "brat in a bubble" who wants to throw tantrums and have it all her way, just on the principle of the thing. I'm done for this evening, and I'm ready to rip my hair out about that situation (sigh). 05:42, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Please don't rip your hair out. Thanks for trying to help. Ihr werdet weinen und heulen. Es ist ein trotzig und verzagt Ding. Laßt uns sorgen, laßt uns wachen, Dona nobis pacem, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:50, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Brich dem Hungrigen dein Brot, BWV 39

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:52, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Nice Surprise

I am honored! Thank you for your kind words, and for making Wikipedia a better place. Ewulp (talk) 04:01, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Now I am honored! Some may think I make it worse, trying to apply infoboxes, an accessibility tool. Some think a box disfigures an article. What will they think about a ramp for people in wheelchairs for a building? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:45, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

The lede and the TOC are ramps; an infobox is unfortunately very often a detour, a treacherous ramp that leads to the wrong information. Users who have difficulty reading a lede paragraph or utilizing a table of contents are better served by Simple English Wikipedia than by a table of field-value pairs. Surely you will agree! I encourage you to join the battle against the infobox blight. Ewulp (talk) 08:12, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Battle? Sounds frightening ;) - I go for Reformation, see link to "amore e studio elucidandae" on my user, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:01, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Bassoon quintet

This is a bit of a mystery. I started doing the link repairs and I thought that I had done the one in the template. I will look again. By the way I used to know Graham's father William, who apart from being an excellent fagottist had a wonderful collection of musical instruments and first editions. He owned I think the only pedal piano in England, on which I tried some of Alkan's pieces; but my organ-playing days are long behind me and I couldn't hack it. Best, --Smerus (talk) 15:34, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

He and I listened to the premiere. Hearing the conversation between the player and him on the way to the reception afterwards was quite memorable, - too bad I don't remember as well what they said ;) - I saw that you had done the link in the template, that's what I don't understand. Perhaps we need to wait a day for the search function to work properly for the template. It does work for the other articles. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:41, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)I did a gig with Celia a couple of weekends ago. Small(ish) world. And wasn't it Bill who was the source of the wonderful Messiaen/Turangalîla story about the score?? I seem to recall so. It's a corker. Cheers DBaK (talk) 15:39, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Well done Gerda for solving the link mystery!--Smerus (talk) 20:34, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

I didn't do a thing, just looked again. Perhaps it's like the search function, finding a new article only a day later or so. I will have to learn more on templates, for example why when you make a change, it immediately shows in an article but not in the example on the template's own documentation. - Did you see that Epitaphium was meant to be played at WW's memorial service by his children, but there was too much music already, so they played it later in Wigmore Hall in The Proud Bassoon? Quoting "The program book includes a section of memories, titled "recollected in tranquility, a celebration", including a contribution of Karlheinz Stockhausen who wrote in 2007: "Not only in rehearsal, but also in many hours before and after rehearsals and recordings, and during our trips with the ensemble, I had the pleasure and privilege of sharing with William Waterhouse his rich cultural knowledge and enthusiasm. He was a musician as we all should be: excellent as a performer, open minded, curious, well educated, joyous, full of humour. I greet him in the beyond and hope to meet him again." - Stockhausen died shortly afterwards. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:47, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thanks for the gemstone!

Bearian (talk) 16:28, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks from me too! Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 03:55, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you...

...for your kind words.

And you did notice that I occasionally(?) challenge the status quo. Yeah, I'm not a follower. HiLo48 (talk) 09:54, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Nor am I - only supposed to be one (found in the WP:Great Dismal Swamp in the last few hours: "some of those in his train play these silly games", "that the spirit of the master temporarily in exile has found a worthy inheritor") ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:13, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Kafka for TFA 3rd July?

To mark the 130th anniversary of his birth, perhaps? Bencherlite^Talk 15:32, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for thinking of it! PumpkinSky had the same idea, but I convinced him that 22 September might be better, the night when he wrote "The Judgement", a pivotal turn in his writing (see pending). - I confess that 3 July seems too early now, the list of his works (different article) is far from presentable, and time limited. What do you think. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:42, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I couldn't work out why it was there for 22nd Sept - "The Judgement" doesn't even merit a mention in the lead, so its date relevance is marginal at best, compared to a "round number" anniversary. And I wouldn't worry about the state of Franz Kafka bibliography, because that's not relevant to Kafka's appearance date in my humble opinion. Oh well, I won't be doing any scheduling until next week anyway, so have a think about it. Bencherlite^Talk 15:51, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

My experience is zero, so I am listening, of course. I can't nominate, I just proposed one for later. Will fix the blurb you know where. The rules, the rules ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:17, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Most people won't make the connection to The Judgement, and haven't even heard of it. PumpkinSky talk 12:46, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

I changed to 3 July almost everywhere, feel free to nom, it's mostly yours! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:52, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Ihr werdet weinen und heulen, BWV 103....

is now a GA, congratulations! I've just been btw to a performance here in Kiev by an amazing young Japanese violinist of Schoenberg's Concerto. What a great piece!- and the WP article on it is pretty feeble, if you are at a loose end......Best, --Smerus (talk) 19:30, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for great support! Look above, an unexpected TFA, + two articles I wanted to have written by last Tuesday, + two translations to German, + everything still feels a bit muddy from the swamp, "quanto dolore" ;) - working together is the best way out, thank you for that, and for sharing music! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:39, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Well done!!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 10:13, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! I am in my fourth year with the cantatas, only a few left, and Nikkimaria helps. Your DYK record is amazing! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:21, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

ps: our did you mean leaving the swamp only a bit muddy? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:23, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Let me know when you want some more articles!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 15:55, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

It's on your coordination page, one red guy in Teh Mass, - the others there can wait, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:44, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Johann Hugo von Wilderer, text is hidden..♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 20:52, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, that was fast again ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:54, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Barnstar of Integrity

		The Barnstar of Integrity
		For your support during the recent unpleasantness. PumpkinSky talk 22:25, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

Main Page appearance: Franz Kafka

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Franz Kafka (1883–1924) was a German-language writer of novels and short stories, and is regarded as one of the most influential authors of the 20th century. His works, such as "Die Verwandlung" ("The Metamorphosis"), Der Process (The Trial), and Das Schloss (The Castle), are filled with themes and archetypes of alienation, brutality, parent–child conflict, and mystical transformations. Kafka was born into a middle-class Jewish family in Prague, then part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. He trained as a lawyer and worked for an insurance company, writing in his spare time – he complained all his life about his lack of time to write. Kafka wrote hundreds of letters to family and close female friends, including his fiancée Felice Bauer. Only a few of Kafka's stories appeared during his lifetime in story collections and literary magazines. His novels and other unfinished works were published posthumously, mostly by his friend Max Brod, who ignored his wish to have the manuscripts destroyed. Albert Camus and Jean-Paul Sartre are among the writers influenced by Kafka's work; the term Kafkaesque has entered the English language to describe surreal situations like those in his writing. (Full article...)

UcuchaBot (talk) 23:01, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

The Company of Heaven

Good grief, Gerda! You expose me as a fraud. Here I am presuming to get BB up to FAC standard and I've never, as far as I remember, even heard of "The Company of Heaven". I shall go and do a spot of homework. Tim riley (talk) 22:43, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

It's a radio feature on angels, much more spoken than music, and forgotten until 1990, - no wonder you don't know it ;) - we performed it in 2001, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Duly researched. I've added a few bits and pieces. Do trim my additions if you think I've gone on too much. I shall seek out a recording. Tim riley (talk) 13:30, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Great, I will look later, no time right now. The spoken voices in the battle music are a feature worthy of DYK, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:35, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Good! Glad you approve. I don't think I can add more, and I imagine that the DYK (a process that is terra incognita for me) will probably have to be written off. Tim riley (talk) 16:22, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Fine with me, - I hear the music now, #9 a cappella, very difficult for a lay choir, very beautiful. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:27, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

I see the article has made it to DYK. By what sorcery you accomplish this, my dear Gerda, I know not, but I congratulate you. Tim riley (talk) 21:00, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

You can't survive here without a little bit of magic ;) - In this case I found a reviewer who didn't take teh rulez by the letter but the spirit and said is was new enough. - Did you see (below) that I received an opera house? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

I did. I had my own for 15 minutes last Saturday. Between 10 and 10.15 I was appointed doorkeeper at the Royal Opera House for the Frederick Ashton Wikibash. The feeling of power and importance was almost overwhelming. With which opera shall you be opening your new opera house? Tim riley (talk) 21:27, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Gianni Schicchi ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:34, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

We're not that far apart: I'd choose Falstaff. The Company of Heaven article is looking in excellent shape now. An unusual example of a new article to which quite a few editors have contributed almost simultaneously to good effect. Sometimes such things can be a a case of "too many cooks spoil the broth", but not here. I am still working on the main Benjamin Britten article, where, naturally, any additions or amendments you care to add will be most welcome. Tim riley (talk) 15:53, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

I'm not by there very often, but today I saw the recent kerfluffle at AN/I and thought you could use some sweets. Lest you think this is all selfless, though, I brought a second fork. Care to split it? -- Khazar2 (talk) 02:33, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, sweet of you, - I would share with Andy first if his doctors allow. Day by day I hope the thread autoarchives (havn't looked today), - I am sure his doctors allow no stress ;) . Did you see the list of 18 discussions "drowning" a project? - Everybody who takes an unbiased look is welcome to share the baklava! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:58, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Kindness

Bless you for that ;) -- Cassianto^Talk 09:59, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

I like to watch that archive grow, full of people who otherwise seem to live on different stars ;) - feel free to also share some baklava above --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:20, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Alas, there are only two forks (I'll use my fingers!) -- Cassianto^Talk 17:54, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

I always use my fingers for baklava, you can have mine, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:18, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Brich dem Hungrigen dein Brot, BWV 39

Great work on the article; the research is fantastic, and I'm sorry if I caused you any stress over the questions I had. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 14:48, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for a good and EASY review, - I don't know what you mean by "stress" here, compared to what I got baklava for (feel free to share, above, fingerfood, not enough forks). The cantata is one of my personal favourites, quoted on my user twice (in case you didn't see that). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:56, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

The Mind the Gap Barnstar

...is awarded to User:Gerda Arendt who has diligently worked to change the Conversation on Wikipedia and related projects through content contributions, outreach, community changes and related actions. Your efforts are changing the very face of Wikipedia...for the better! ```Buster Seven Talk 19:31, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

		Mind the Gap Award
		For saying the right thing, at the right time, in the right place, to the right people.

I feel honoured, but did you investigate enough? I came to consider "disruptive" a compliment ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:45, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

The "If I had the time I'd make a Wikilove thingy with a pretty picture, but I'm lazy so instead you'll have to settle for text" Barnstar

Hi Gerda,

I saw your note on my talk page. Thanks for the kind words, and for being so refreshingly pleasant and un-bitter all the time. An inspiration to us all. I'm sure I'll see you around eventually, but probably won't be for a while yet. Enjoying my time away. Cheers. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:56, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

I enjoy refreshing apparitions, also I am in a good mood, after singing Bach for more than two hours, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:08, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Some advice

Hi Gerda, a word of advice. I think trying to start a new discussion every day at the main OP discussion page for a new article's infobox probably isn't a good idea. It's going to make the OP page huge, especially if you paste the whole box in for every single article. In 7 days the page is going to contain 7 infoboxes and take longer and longer to load, with a huge amount of white space. Perhaps more importantly, you are probably not going to get considered or constructive responses that way, and you run the risk of alienating some members by swamping the page like that. There's a lot of infobox fatigue at the moment. I am personally taking a complete vacation from the issue. I would suggest that if you want to add one a day but want to discuss it first, then host the infobox you are proposing in your user space, start a discussion on the actual talk page of the article and link to the box in your user space. Then leave a short note at the OP as a "heads up" to editors. If any of them want to comment, they'll go to the talk page of the article. If no one comments on the talk page after a while, go ahead and add the box. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 14:41, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't plan to start a new discussion every day, but discuss one to a satisfactory end. Joseph was disappointing. There will be no other infobox on OP until that one is discussed and archived, and I am not even adding another one to an opera article. Did you see that I took one to user space? - So thank you for the advice, but I think I took it already. (I still fail to understand how 4 vs 2 votes within one day can be called a "clear consensus". I don't feel fatigue at all, I feel great eagerness and a rush to delete. Even if you are on "vacation" for the topic, can you explain to some what replacing the bottom navbox by the side navbox means? I don't have polite words for that, - restored it anyway.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:53, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I thought when you said "first try one infobox a day", you meant start a new discussion every day about a new article's infobox. I guess you meant discuss one article and its box and then when that discussion is over, archive it and start the next one? That might work. But I still think it would be much better and more transparent for those kinds of discussions to take place on the article's talk page, with just a note on the OP page. First of all, the project as a collective isn't/can't be the one to definitively decide individual article issues like that (at least two edtitors strongly opposed at Joseph aren't OP members, for one thing). Secondly, if it's on the article's talk page, there's a much clearer permanent record of the discussion easily available to all people who edit or read the article in the future.

I can understand your disappointment re the way things are going at Joseph, but I'm afraid that's going to happen a lot. Many editors, especially in the arts, feel very strongly about the issue and they're all motivated by what they think is best for the article and the reader. As for explaining to people about footer navboxes... they understand what they are and are aware that there's duplication or overlap in some cases, but in their opinion it doesn't matter or they prefer to have the vertical navbox. By the way I think I may have found Act 1 of L'infobox infernale (tragedia lirica in 25 acts), Wikipedia's longest running opera. Quite an impressive display it is too, with several palpitating scenes and multiple renditions of "Nessuno è padrone delle voci!" sung by opposing regiments of guerrieri delle modifiche. :) Voceditenore (talk) 16:08, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

I said "first try one infobox a day" in the morning, - you know what happened in the afternoon, and I didn't update ;) - Evening plan: when one discussion is over (and perhaps changes made to the template), start a different genre/type, - we will see. I suggest we let Louise be discussed on the OP talk in the open, from then on follow the procedure you described. Thank you for history, see below for shouting male chorus in battle, - I confess some pleasure making that known. I will not speak about editors who arrive at a scene fast, such as BWV 30, - look for baklava above, feel free to share fingerfood. You are precious, even when tired. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:41, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for The Company of Heaven

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

An Opera House for you!

File:Daegu Operahouse.jpg	An Opera House for you!
	Thank you for your review of Costanzo Antegnati and the extra work you put in to improve the article. I now understand what you meant by your question in the dyk review. Yes, I prefer to be coy, as these are the types of hooks that tend to draw me in. However, I truly am open to suggestions on how to create better hooks. All the best, 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 17:00, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! Did you know that I love opera? See above for the longest running one in 25 acts ;) - Your hook was great, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:12, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

[3]

As far as I'm concerned (now), you can have an infobox where you are the main editor, assuming no consensus against it, etc. But: it might not be exactly as you want it, and I'd like not to have one without discussion first where I am a main author. Can we work with that? Nikkimaria (talk) 02:21, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

We can work this out, in fact I think I behaved that way already. I didn't dream of adding one to "your" Bach cantatas (see above under Opera house, I hate fighting), and I was tempted SO much to add one to the Company of Heaven but resisted, because you started it ;) - Can we add please to "articles where I am the main editor" those done in collaboration where I am the "infobox person" for a group (Dr. Blofeld, Riana ...)? For BWV 30, I think it's tricky to decide authorship, we leave it "your way" and talk again next year? St. John's Day is over, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:37, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Sure. Another question, while I'm here: you said you see infoboxes as an accessibility tool. Can you explain what that means to you? Nikkimaria (talk) 13:01, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Keep watching my new place for thoughts, comments on the talk please, - I am just returning and have a few other threads first, and a watch list of 10k+, no rush, right? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:56, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) Support — Ched :  ?  10:01, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

An Opera composer for you!

	An Opera composer for you!
	For outstanding assitance with numerous questions, translation, and outstanding all-around wikicitizenship, I hereby award you this Opera composer award! 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 21:29, 26 June 2013 (UTC) The first musician yet in my collection, thank you, my pleasure, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:37, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Alkan, for info

Now up for FA. Best, --Smerus (talk) 12:59, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Great! Will look. Was rehearsing B minor, will perform "Te lucis ante terminum" (Balfour Gardiner) etc now, continue B minor tomorrow. - The last time I performed "O Freunde", the soloist improvised and got it all wrong ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:35, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Franz Kafka works

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Precious

	My precious
	Congratulations on the Franz Kafka TFA!! ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 09:41, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! Beautiful! Do you also give one to PumpkinSky? He also reached 100 DYK today with a triple, - you of all people would be the one to give him that award (I did 25) ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:49, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Franz Kafka all time top TFA!!!

[4] 768,586 hits

Wikipedia:Today's featured article/Most viewed

WP:TOP25

YEE HAW, CONGRATS GERDA PumpkinSky talk 01:56, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Wow! That is amazing!User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 02:40, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Gerda, Guten Morgen, input here please PumpkinSky talk 02:48, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Der Morgen ist gut! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:21, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

ps: Franz Kafka works made the DYKstats, my first --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:34, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

DOUBLE CONGRATS! PumpkinSky talk 10:56, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Wow that's impressive! I wonder why it had more hits than any though!!♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 11:01, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

didn't you use google yesterday? link to press on top of my user ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:02, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

I use Firefox which has a search bar in the top right corner and have google books built into my wiki itinery and other websites like youtube and ebay I regularly are in the url bar section so no, I rarely see the home search page of google.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 11:12, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Unlike this Main page, the "doodle" appears on the top left of every (!) search, - read that article, it has a good image, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:14, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations to you both for this impressive result. I still say that this is one of the best FA's on the encyclopaedia. -- Cassianto^Talk 11:17, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

thank you, that means a lot from you, writer of excellent ones, - plus you saying this about one with an infobox ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:22, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

I know! I had to go and have a lie down after saying that ;) Not even an infobox could ruin this one for me. -- Cassianto^Talk 00:34, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Casasianto. We really appreciate that. I also think Yogo sapphire is quite good. PumpkinSky talk 11:28, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

It is. This article brings back fond memories for me. -- Cassianto^Talk 00:34, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

"Logic may indeed be unshakeable, but it cannot withstand a woman who is determined to live. Where was the judge she had never seen? Where was the High Court she had never reached? She raised her hands and spread out all her fingers. But the hands of one of the men closed round her throat, just as the other drove the knife deep into her heart and turned it twice." Only kidding... congrats "Gerda K". Martinevans123 (talk) 11:36, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

"determined", yes (remember my red cat?) ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:41, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

• Like Hugs! Montanabw^(talk) 17:44, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
• What, almost a million hits... How does that feel, Gerda? Drmies (talk) 03:00, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

• Wow...*salute* Double sharp (talk) 15:27, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diplomacy
	You have plenty of barnstars, but I still don't think you receive the recognition that you deserve. Cheers! Hawkeye7 (talk) 11:19, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, appreciated, You made my day! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:23, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your comment on my talk page. I don't keep a record of past barnstars, but yours is my favorite one. SL93 (talk) 06:56, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

I guess my record keeping will start from now. SL93 (talk) 06:57, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Keep going, a pleasure to meet you, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:59, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Lolita

Good gracious! Why was I so nervous about asking you to look at the "controversies" of the Britten article! Though Humbert Humbert he wasn't. Your two opera articles are models of what such articles should be. Best, Tim riley (talk) 22:11, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! Controversies? - Don't call the operas "my" articles, both are collaborations, as the opera house. I love it, what do you think of improving Falstaff? Gianni Schicchi is already FA ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:47, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Barnstar for you

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		for being such a great encourager! Bermicourt (talk) 17:07, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, very kind, feels good, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:52, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Infobox case request post

Hi Gerda... Thanks for the thanks on the ArbCom case page, but what was it for? Did you just like my contribution, or ...? Sorry, but I'm confused. EdChem (talk) 10:46, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I liked your contribution, because I could not have written it better, both in wording and in my position, - well, I could make a list of the attributions I received in a few talks but don't want to look backwards, it's a waste of time ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:25, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thanks - it's always nice to hear that a contribution is appreciated.  :) EdChem (talk) 12:33, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

For more bemusement, you could (better not in the case) analyse the edit summaries of Wagner. Quite astonishing, that whole completely unnecessary discussion about an infobox meant to stay on the talk page, isn't it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:22, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Most of the thread was pointless, I wonder if I'd just find the edit summaries more depressing. EdChem (talk) 13:31, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Alistair Hinton

Hi Gerda!!! If you fancy a change from our standard arena, might you consider taking a look at Template:Did you know nominations/Alistair Hinton? This was left in the air by the editor who took it up on the unusual grounds (for a DYK) that it didn't have anything about its subject's personal life. Perhaps he thought composers are more like rock stars (?) - (some of them are, I suppose). It's only a little thing, but I'd like to get a second opinion on it, at least! Best, --Smerus (talk) 19:34, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

"Standard arena? Do you mean the "you were right" one mentioned above? - DYK, I will look later, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:14, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks, Gerda!--Smerus (talk) 05:15, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Phew!!!--Smerus (talk) 16:48, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

The composition mentioned: 4.5 hours, the relaxed ban: 4 decades. Patience helps ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:52, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Yvonne, Prinzessin von Burgund

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK count

Don't worry about it, it isn't important. Read my notice at User:Dr. Blofeld/DYK. Whoever is worth anything on here knows what I put into articles. Above all I've always wanted to put out the message that content is more important than anything. I'll continue to update my personal list, and I thankyou for helping me update it at one stage, but I'll just list the articles not the hooks.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 07:30, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

"You" are a sourced key fact of Wikipedia, why not show it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:07, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Friedrich Meyer-Oertel.Tibetan Prayer ^᧾ 17:42, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

I like "prayer" in your name, you grant almost before asked. If you look at Carl Moritz (architect), started by some Dr. you may know, there are some stubs the same created, theatres and a publication. I humbly ask for moar ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:47, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Staatstheater Mainz. Tibetan Prayer ^᧾ 21:52, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Infoboxes ArbCom case opened

You were recently listed as a party to a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes/Evidence. Please add your evidence by July 31, 2013, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, — ΛΧΣ²¹ 17:51, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, seen. I am new to this and a bit puzzled. The "case" lists the statements of those "involved", not the others. I responded to several others, those replies are out of context now. Help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:54, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

TFAR

I updated the template, but someone reverted my update. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 18:09, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Mont Juic (suite)

Hello! Your submission of Mont Juic (suite) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Peter I. Vardy (talk) 19:34, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

TFAR

Thank you, I've tweaked the blurb a little Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:12, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, that's what I hoped. Did you know that I picked the bird by its name? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:03, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Singing whales

Thanks for stopping by with that note, Gerda. You always know just what to say. Enjoy your day at the beach (or the bay) and if you hear those whales, I hope you close your eyes and listen to the choir knowing they aren't ghosts at all. :) --Rosiestep (talk) 14:45, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for adding the choir, sounds great, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:59, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Gormenghast (opera)

Hello! Your submission of Gormenghast (opera) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 15:59, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Great article, I enjoyed reviewing it. I made a comment regarding the source. If you feel this is the superior hook, let me know. The statement in the article I found most compelling is Schmidt's realization, in relation to Gormenghast, that he no longer wished to be perceived as an avant-garde artist. Could you make a hook from that? All the best, 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 15:57, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Article in need of expansion

I thought Richard Breitenfeld would fall into your sphere of interest :-) Agathoclea (talk) 20:09, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

It does, thank you! - Did you see that I copied your comment on Die Feen to project opera, hoping it's ok with you? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:25, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Staatstheater Mainz

Since I have relied on Google translation in the above article do you think that they are in order. Can it be posted on DYK? Rosie has also added some text. If you don't mind can you post it as you have made very useful editing? Thanks--Nvvchar. 16:36, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

I found it ok, just wondered if the English Wikipedia needs all that detail. Please nominate yourself, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:36, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

ps: I sang the Brahms Requiem there, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:37, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Gerda. A friendly FYI that Staatstheater Mainz is nomed here: Template:Did you know nominations/Staatstheater Mainz. How lovely that you sang at this very theater. --Rosiestep (talk) 03:00, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Good hook! My choir (no article yet for that one) helped the Mainz Choir. If you haven't done so already make the orchestra a redirect and find links. I remember the very old conductor, retired already but on "one concert a year", this going to be his last, saying about dress: "I would love to see you all in white." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:23, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Gormenghast (opera)

Gatoclass (talk) 12:02, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Don Carlos / Don Carlo

Thanks for your note on my revisions. It is coincidental that, while I'd been working on these revisions for a while in my sandbox, I saw your note today on the article's talk page so thought I ought to get it up. In its original form, it needed a lot of sorting out to figure out the sequencing, but I think that it now makes more sense. Best, Viva-Verdi (talk) 21:27, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

It does, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:33, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Mont Juic (suite)

Orlady (talk) 00:02, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Fatinitza DYK

I've added a ref. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 18:03, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

How reliable, the chronology?

Gerda, this section contains a chronology of Bach's cantatas. How reliable is the timing of the earlier ones (Muhlhausen, Weimar)? It would be nice to pin them down WRT tracking his compositional development. There are no ref-tags. Tony (talk) 05:07, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

As the beginning says: relies on Dürr, and is only to give an idea of a cantata being early or late, one of the cycles or not. Go ahead, add a sentence about the questions being handled in each cantata. Some questions will be open for ever, I'm afraid. Just see BWV 147a. Nothing left. We will not know how much he composed in Weimar. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:30, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Analysing ink, paper, handwriting, could turn up more in the future. And fine-grained musical analysis could give clues. There's always hope. Tony (talk) 08:58, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Those are the questions which will be covered in the single cantatas. If something changes, the sequence will change. (You can keep watching, too.) BWV 147a would have to be found first to do ink analysis. - I am the last to lose hope ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:04, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Have you read the amazing book by an American musicologist who forensically analyses Bach's manuscripts? Published in the mid-70s, I think, name might begin Sch...??? ... but try as I might, I've never been able to relocate the book details, author's name, despite having borrowed it from the USyd library in the late 70s. You don't have any leads, do you? Tony (talk) 11:06, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

no, sorry, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:52, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Friedrich Meyer-Oertel

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:33, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Karl Heinz Stroux

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 20:49, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Mega-Templates - Mozart & Beethoven

Based on your recent suggestion for a "collapsible" type of mega-template for Mozart in a recent Mozart Template Discussion, I created a "Collapsible Version" Mozart Mega-Template - and a similar "Collapsible Version" Beethoven Mega-Template - if interested, and if possible, your comments on the talk pages about the newly created templates would be appreciated - thanks in any regards - and - Enjoy! :) Drbogdan (talk) 12:14, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Cyberiada (opera)

Orlady (talk) 05:49, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Carl Moritz (architect)

Hello! Your submission of Carl Moritz (architect) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Prioryman (talk) 10:47, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Düsseldorfer Schauspielhaus

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:48, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Gerda can you help

Hi Gerda,

I was just trying to make a small edit and it seemed that the entire format for editing had changed. Or so it seems, but not in this present page (ie your talk page) apparently. Rather than give up and scrap my user page (my initial reaction) I thought I would just ask. The page I wanted to edit is Wonersh. Attempting to edit I just get a horrid frame round the text and no instructions as to how to enter references etc. Has someone introduced a vile and idiotic reform? or is it just a private malfunction? Personally I work by the old axiom - 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it'. Gad it's hot, best wishes and hope you are keeping in tune, Eebahgum (talk) 22:31, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

The so-called reform is called Visual Editor (VE). You can do two things to edit normally: you go to your preferences and disable it, or you find a button (right of "edit") saying something like "edit source" and click there. (I disabled it.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:36, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! I got there in the end. Have just been singing in Wales. Adapting to change becomes more difficult as time passes! Regards Eebahgum (talk) 21:42, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK-Good Article Request for Comment

Thanks, watchlisted, will look later, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:23, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Die Hamletmaschine (opera)

Orlady (talk) 08:03, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you for the kind comments! You do great work as well! Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 08:51, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, also for being gentle on the ladies' toes ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:55, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Fatinitza

You know, it's sort of weird to be doing article content again. Used to do it all the time, but went off it after some bad experiences. But, now that those experiences are so far behind, it's great to feel the self-confidence boost of knowing you've probably made a better article on a subject than could be found anywhere else on the web. =) Amazing how it comes back.

Heh. And you know the best part? I did the Fatinitza article purely because I found that Fatinitza poster, and wanted to be able to nominate it at FPC. But once I started writing, well, I'm a bit of a perfectionist, so couldn't really let myself do anything that I didn't feel was reasonably good. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 12:34, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Opernhaus Wuppertal

Orlady (talk) 00:02, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

I just noticed this in the DYK rules ...

• Sounds: Sounds accompanying the DYK hook should have similar qualities to pictures, and should be formatted using {{DYK Listen|filename.ogg|Brief description}} !! I think this has potential ... --Gilderien Chat|What I've done 00:11, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Staatstheater Darmstadt

Hello! This is to let you know that I have approved the DYK for your article Staatstheater Darmstadt, but with one suggestion: that one of the reference citations should be placed right on the sentence which contains the hook. (In fact, you might want to spread your three citations throughout the article, instead of clustering them all in one place.) Otherwise, good to go, and congratulations on your interesting article. --MelanieN (talk) 22:38, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, I will work on it, it will grow ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:40, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Excellent. About the reference citations: some people like to see (and a few people even insist on) a minimum of one citation per paragraph. Of course you can use the same reference over and over; just cite it in more than one place. Sorry, I see you already know that. --MelanieN (talk) 23:52, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

(ec) I know. Please give me a day or two, - collecting arbcom evidence will end tomorrow ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:55, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Staatstheater Mainz

Orlady (talk) 08:03, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Why?

Why would you even think this [5]? Or post it? I've said on my page that as long as there's a sick tag there (it's still there!) I won't become involved [6]. Do you see a compelling reason to drag me in? If so, I think it's best explained so I can pull together a statement before the deadline passes. Thanks. Victoria (talk) 14:26, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

I saw your comment and replied there, awfully sorry. I am happy to see that Victoria doesn't hold a argument that Truthkeeper offered in the Bach discussion. - You are not involved, I just collected the typical opposes, and tried to model them after real opposes, not come up with OR. - I see how Andy is treated who has a sick-tag on his talk, and the one person to inquire about it was Tim riley who deserves high praise for thinking of a person first, regardless on which side of an argument. I wish you both good health, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:37, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

1. Nonetheless, not for the first time you've now made a post I made be out of context. I'd like you to rectify properly as this is part of an arbitration case.
2. You've misrepresented what Truthkeeper/Victoria said (I am the same person), and what I said in that diff is the entire basis for the Visual Editor - to remove code from the edit window, and I try hard to keep unnecessary coding out of articles I work on. However, I have not removed infoboxes on that basis, and never would.
3. Please provide evidence of when I've ever removed an infobox from a music article, with supporting diffs, if this is representative of a "typical oppose".
4. Please do not conflate me with Andy Mabbit. He is a party to the case; I am not.
5. Whether one editor comments on the health of another is entirely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
6. Unfortunately this is writing the evidence for me - and I really really had wanted to stay out. I see it as baiting. Victoria (talk) 15:08, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

I am sorry. I never suggested that you removed an infobox, where's the misunderstanding? An "oppose" is not a "remove". How could I provide a diff. If I misrepresented, kindly represent yourself better.

I am further sorry that I can't rectify better, - this is my first time at arbcom and I am not familiar with the procedure.

I am sorry that I don't understand anything about the VE, - I have it disabled.

I am sorry to have mentioned health, - I did only because you mentioned it first. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:28, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

So removing an infobox and then making a snide reference to "a more workable manner" isn't removing it on the basis of "code in the editing window" or in articles? Andy Mabbit is not a a party to the case. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:41, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Well gee...

Never thought I'd be 'missed'. I didn't leave, per say, I just stopped making edits and removed most non-articles from my watch list. Just got sick of all the really stupid things that went on everywhere, (which I granted contributed too, especially my previous last edit), especially certain editors who seem to get away with ruining perfectly good articles because they have an adminbit or just happen to edit a lot, and decided not to bother any more...even to revert obvious vandalism. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 22:52, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Good to here your voice! You are missed ;) - You could join my red cat (see bottom of my user), to make more music together, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:00, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

That was unexpected and a lovely surprise, thanks. Guy (Help!) 10:38, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Likewise, finding your "help" and apology (when I read it first a while ago I asked friends how to understand "bloke") ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:41, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Staatstheater Darmstadt

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello my dearest German colleague

Gerda will you please review my post here:http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:John_Cline and tell me if It makes any sense, and perhaps provide an answer. Here or there is fine but I am curious if Google translator came through for me or not. Thank you.  :) John Cline (talk) 23:33, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Replied there, it's pictured here on my user, look for "this damned mess must stop", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:18, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Georg Solti

Check the talk page, re: infobox.--ColonelHenry (talk) 15:37, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Nuff, thanks. In case it's not nuff, here's a list of debated infoboxes, without / with / with shortened and/or collapsed. Should be easy to look at those which have "present" or "side navbox" in the "without" column. How much more attractive Carmen would have looked "with" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:49, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

"The music of the spheres is heard distinctly over Milk Wood..."

http://listen.hatnote.com/ --Shirt58 (talk) 12:49, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Query

"also by you in two cases". Which ones? Folantin (talk) 10:27, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Why don't you go to the tables? Götterdämmerung and Das Liebesverbot, the latter developing to an edit war I don't want to be part of. - Anybody telling me any advantage of the side navbox can teach me something new.--Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:40, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

O dear, what did I do now? This page is viewed much more than the infobox talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:42, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Please point out my contributions to those two articles and their related talk pages. --Folantin (talk) 11:02, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Where would I have addressed you? I was talking to Smerus, but clarified now, to prevent others misunderstanding also. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:12, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Verdi articles

Thanks for your comments, Gerda. I've no problem with you or your discussions (just can't get involved...!!) but I did want him/her to know that this wasn't some conspiracy going on. The coincidence was only that you noted an improvement at the same time that I pulled my updates from my sandbox....All the best, John in Santa Fe, aka:Viva-Verdi (talk) 22:48, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Viva Verdi! I hope you liked the recent presentation of the Santa Fe Opera? A picture of the interior would be preferable ;) (and an article on the composer). - Translating Santa Fe, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:27, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Carl Moritz (architect)

Alex Shih^Talk 16:02, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Re:Precious

Thank you very much! :) —Midgrid(talk) 18:55, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Contentious

Hey Gerda, you've said in a few different places that some edits are not "contentious". I'm wondering whether there is perhaps a difference in how we understand that word. Can you explain how you would define "contentious" (in general, not with reference to any particular case)? Nikkimaria (talk) 02:49, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

As I understood it - I may be wrong - it means that people have very different opinions about a contentious thing. I thought (back to example, easier for me), that everybody would agree that an infobox on an opera is simply and almost objectively better than a duplicated navbox in the "wrong" position leading away from the article in question. I was wrong. I thought that there was nothing debatable about an infobox on a church, - single fields yes, but not the whole thing. Wrong. - If there is a better word for what I described, please tell me, I only used this one because others used it, and I am not sure now if I interpreted it right. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:43, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Okay, so there is a language thing, just not the one I thought there was - "contentious" is the right word, but is used with the wrong verb. You say, for example "Infoboxes in operas are not contentious", but we can see from multiple cases that some people do have very different opinions about their use, right? So what I think you mean is that they should not be contentious, or that you don't understand why they would be contentious, not that they aren't. Does that make sense? Nikkimaria (talk) 14:47, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes, thanks, I understand better, I should have said "I didn't expect them to be contentious" or "I see no reason for them to be contentious". Waiting for input on the workshop talk, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:15, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

I am routinely amazed that Gerda's English is often clearer and more understandable than a lot of the native speakers around here! Her search for precision and full understanding is also to be admired! Montanabw^(talk) 17:27, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

And I'm routinely amazed by Gerda's gewissenhaftigkeit! (um, is that right, Gerda?) Martinevans123 (talk) 18:26, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, both! I like that, it's a nice pun also, "Gewissenhaftigkeit" is diligence first of all, "Gewissen" is "conscience", "gewiss" is "sure", and how I sure have a good conscience as the ally of the banned and - as some think - best to be banned is my secret and strength ;) Reach consensus! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:20, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!

Just a note to say thank you for the "awesome Wikipedian" award! Midnightblueowl (talk) 20:16, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Bach trip

I mentioned last year my plan: September I really am going to Leipzig, then seven days driving around and staying in Thuringia. This old website was very useful. I emailed the author (a Dutch academic) to thank him, and within half an hour he'd replied. Nice. Tony (talk) 13:19, 9 August 2013 (UTC)