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How to title a subheading

Currently I am writing on a war in Ancient Greece, and an important event is when the leader of one of the parties tricks the other into believing they can outlast them. I feel like this needs a subheader of its own, but I can't come up with one. The 'working title' is "Thrasybulus' ruse" but this doesn't sound right. Does anyone have suggestions? Does it need a subheading at all? Thanks! Here is the link. It's still a draft, so any other suggestions would be appreciated. I'm quite new to this and am not sure about how I cite correctly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Lydian-Milesian_War

P.S. For those wondering it is about the war between Lydia and Miletus in 600 BCE during the reign of Alyattes mentioned in Herodotus 1.17 - 1.22 GeneralCraft65 (talk) 16:10, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @GeneralCraft65, welcome to the Teahouse. I would recommend looking at articles on similar subjects and seeing how their sections are laid out. I'm sure you're familiar with Battle of Cannae, for instance, though even better would be Battle of the Trebia (a Good Article) or Battle of Lake Trasimene (a Featured Article). You could also ask for advice on the talk page of WikiProject Military History if you're really stuck. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:18, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Citing a title

If citing an article, should I use the title word for word and should it be " quoted" or is this plagiarising? Bijou1995 (talk) 13:58, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

If you cite an article, Bijou1995, you should of course specify its actual title, verbatim. If the title is in a language other than English, it would be helpful if you also provided an English translation of the title. If you use Template:Cite journal or whatever, it will italicize, add quotation marks, etc, as appropriate. But perhaps I have misunderstood your question. -- Hoary (talk) 14:16, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

No you understood it perfectly and I am pleased to say I did it correctly. So no quotations then i presume? As for English translation from another language that's far too advanced for me at the moment, thanks again. Bijou1995 (talk) 14:59, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

@Bijou1995, some titles are styled with quotation marks (song titles, for instance - "Over the Rainbow") and some are not (book titles, for instance - The Lord of the Rings). See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Titles of works. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:25, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

You are so helpful, thank you Bijou1995 (talk) 16:56, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Putting a link twice

Hello. My question is, if a link to a page is already in a page, is it okay to mention that page (send a link to the page) later in the article? (Please use mobile and visual editor) 2600:1700:17C9:1020:9116:1C07:5DE0:AB42 (talk) 22:45, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Note that it shouldn't matter which version of Wikipedia other editors are using to respond to you. 331dot (talk) 22:47, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Usually articles are linked twice: once in the lede, and once again the first time they appear in the article body. -- asilvering (talk) 22:49, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

I do sometimes also add a second link if it's a) an important one and also b) if it's a long page and the topic reappears right down the page. Oh, and sometimes I might also repeat the link in an infobox. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:06, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

And maybe image captions. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:05, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

IP editor. You might like to read the guidance at MOS:LINK if you have not already done so. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:38, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

How to upload

How to upload on wikipedia Samathon (talk) 17:30, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

@Samathon Welcome to the Teahouse. I think you will find it helpful to read Help:Introduction, which has sections on various aspects of editing, including how to upload and use images. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:20, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Within wiki copyrights doubt

Hi, one month ago I created a page: Draft:Chief Ministership of N. Chandrababu Naidu which majorly includes the content from the page N. Chandrababu Naidu after when the page was vandaled by another user (user1) where the user removed content and further didn't respond to our notices for pov discussion. But another user(user2) came into consensus me and started making it neutral but since much of the matter was removed by the first user(user1) I thought to create this new article since this included the governance and chiefministership details during the tenure similar to other chief ministers. But what happened is the article got moved to draft for curation and I started expanding the article further in the draftspace and later informed by other user(user3) that a attribution needs to be given in the edit summary for any inter wiki copying and thus I also gave attribution to the main page that content was lifted from there in-fact the other user also gave the attribution on my behalf and I was educated that attribution is to be given in edit summary. Now my point is another user(user4) today restored the previously removed content by the first said user(user1). So am I supposed to request to delete my draft? since the originality of the main article is now restored by (user4)and will this draft be useless? But point to note is this draft also includes other topics on the governance but mostly aligns to the main page. I am really confused now. 456legend(talk) 11:37, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

can someone help me with this doubt please? 456legend(talk) 14:04, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

@456legend: Hello 456! I'm not sure what you are asking here. Could you possibly be a bit more specific with your question? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:34, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Blaze Wolf, my question is since the originality of the main page is restored is my draft noe useless and should I nominate to delete the draft or I am I at fault for creating the draft? 456legend(talk) 14:37, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

@Blaze WolfI am not aware about the technicality in wikipedia so I am having this doubt 456legend(talk) 14:39, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

@456legend: What exactly do you mean by "the originality of the main page"? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:39, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf Originality here I mean the status of the page before the removal of content from the user 1. 456legend(talk) 14:45, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, 456legend, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not quite sure what you are asking either, but I'll summarize what I think is the information relevant to answering it:

1. Essentially all text in Wikipedia is licensed under WP:CC-BY-SA, which means that it may be freely copied or reused, within Wikipedia or elsewhere, as long as the source is attributed - which can be done in an edit summary or on the talk page. See copying within Wikipedia. # Whether the text was subsequently removed from its original place is irrelevant, unless it was removed because it was itself a copyright violation. In that case, it should never have been in Wikipedia in the first place, and a copy of it is also a copyright violation and must be removed.
2. I'm not sure whether you're also asking about whether it can be proper to include material in an article which has been deleted from another article. The answer is that it certainly can be, but it depends on the circumstances. If the text was removed from the first article because it was uncited, or original research, or not a neutral point of view, then probably not. But if it was removed because it was not thought appropriate in that article, it may be perfectly appropriate in another article.

ColinFine (talk) 17:01, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

@ColinFine Thank you, I think this answers my doubt. I can stay rest assured since there was no copyright violation in the content. And I was only confused whether to use the content within Wikipedia or not. And also I provided the attribution in the edit summary already. So thank you for the clarification. 456legend(talk) 19:05, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Search function

What have you done with the "search" function? I cant find the window to enter my subject. Jnyork (talk) 19:25, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Jnyork, welcome to the Teahouse. There is a new default skin in which the search box has been moved to the center-left of the top of the screen; at some browser widths, all you may see is a magnifying glass icon. You can switch back to the old skin in your account preferences if you wish. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:33, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Which, apparently, is almost exactly the same answer I gave to the same question and questioner exactly a month ago. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:03, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Would you please delete a comment pointing out an error of format?

Hello Actually speaking, I have written "achievement part" in Thomas Maurice Rice - Wikipedia". There was a comment on writing format in the head part. "This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. The specific problem is: § Achievement on the mechanism of superconductivity is poorly formatted and has improper citation styling. (February 2023)".

So, according to the comment, I cleaned up the part. Now, because the comment is useless, I would like to delete the comment given for me. Would you please delete the comment?

Best regards

Hyun

128.239.187.80 (talk) 20:30, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

If you think you have resolved maintenance tags, you can remove them yourself. You can read the instructions given under "Learn how and when to remove these template messages".

And while your contributions have been very helpful to the article, the section still is poorly formatted. I will edit the template to reflect the fact that you resolved repeated citations. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 20:42, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Upon further inspection, the references are still poorly formatted (see Template:Cite web), so I will not change the template message. Your edits have helped significantly though, making it easier for other editors to resolve the issue. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 20:44, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Number of editors over time

Why did the number of active editors on en.wikipedia.org increase exponentially until 2006, rapidly until March 2007, and then suddenly start declining, never having reached that level again? [1] 2601:640:4000:3170:D470:590F:B3D7:9D6B (talk) 20:37, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. Good question. The answer lies in the rapid, accelerating rise and interest in Wikipedia in the first few years of its creation and then a settling down into a more routine form of support, with editors coming and going after that time. This kind of initial spike and levelling out is quite normal, in my opinion. Bear in mind that the initial interest and enthusiasm was probably all about creating new articles, whereas nowadays it's more about adding to and improving existing pages with completely new topics somewhat harder to find and write about. Does that make any sense? Nick Moyes (talk) 20:52, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

I think that helps to explain it. It's still weird that there was such a sudden spike and downturn. It reminds me of ecological graphs where rapid growth surpasses the carrying capacity and then crashes. https://effectivedemand.typepad.com/.a/6a017d42232dda970c01b7c718a48d970b-pi I've heard it referred to as J-curve. Oddly I couldn't find such a graph on Wikipedia. 2601:640:4000:3170:D470:590F:B3D7:9D6B (talk) 21:03, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

I found some over on Commons. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 21:20, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

What I find interesting about this is actually how stable it's been for the past decade or so. -- asilvering (talk) 22:12, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree - that's actually quite encouraging. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:04, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: I find it discouraging, actually. Wikipedia is growing rapidly, there are millions more articles now than there were 15 years ago, Wikipedia is way more visible and ubiquitous than it used to be (top result in Google searches etc.), and yet the number of active editors has stayed the same. Therefore, the workload of monitoring and maintaining the site is increasing for everyone. The situation is even worse for administrators. I would find it more encouraging if the graph showed some growth in active users, to keep up with the growth of Wikipedia. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:04, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Given how arcane some of the policies and guidelines are here on (the English) Wikipedia, especially when it comes to dealing with what is considered notable by Wikipedia's definition, not to mention the minutiae of what's considered a reliable source, I'm not surprised that a portion of new users may be discouraged by this and stop contributing after being reverted or have had a draft declined. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:10, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

For a counterexample, I actually found the abundance of PAG on enwiki over other languages reassuring. Having many, precise guidelines is a prerequisite to and a result of collaborativly writing an encyclopedia with 6 million articles. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 05:58, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

In my opinion, the surge in editing in the 2006-2007 time frame was because Wikipedia was perceived as a fad in those days - the latest cool thing on the internet. So, people flocked here because there were unwritten articles about plenty of obviously notable topics. So, it became a social media bragging point to say, "Hey, I wrote a Wikipedia article!" but that is a less sustainable model than the World Hula Hoop Championship. I disagree that policies and guidelines are excessively arcane. Anyone willing to spend an open minded hour or two studying simple concepts like "notability" and "reliable sources" and "significant coverage" and "independent sources" can very rapidly develop into a productive generalist editor. The real problem is that far too many new editors are here to promote something, not to learn how this encyclopedia actually works. Cullen328 (talk) 07:42, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Yeah. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:39, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Anyone willing to spend an open minded hour or two studying simple concepts like "notability" and "reliable sources" and "significant coverage" and "independent sources" can very rapidly develop into a productive generalist editor.

This is exactly my experience, having started out about a year ago. It's only natural that to succeed as an editor, you need to put in the time and effort to figure out how things work over here. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 09:00, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

And you need to have the mindset that editing WP the WP-way is time well spent. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:07, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

As someone who signed up for the new editor mentor program, I am surprised but not shocked by the majority of new editors who make between one and five edits, often on the same day to one article, and are never again active. David notMD (talk) 11:35, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree with David. Most new editors don't make it past about ten edits and there never was a "spike" in those editors who made 25 or more edits. As the top graph shows, there was a ramping up which ended in 2007 and the number of "25+" editors has remained nearly constant since then. However, I'd like to see the figures updated to 2023 because I'm pretty sure that the pandemic will have boosted "25+" editors since 2019, when that graph ends. Maybe Timeshifter would like to provide the update? Incidentally, there's a fuller page of stats (ending 2019) at this URL. Mike Turnbull(talk) 12:59, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Michael D. Turnbull. I don't see any later charts (of the same style) than the current one here:

File:Active editors on English Wikipedia over time.png

Maybe there are some other graphs. I haven't looked in awhile. Someone with more time and better health might do so.

--Timeshifter (talk) 21:18, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

I assume a lot of these people forget their login info and just start new accounts if they come back. You're not supposed to do that, sure, but someone who makes four edits and forgets their password before making any more is probably significantly more likely to be the kind of person who doesn't do any lurking in the policy pages before they start. (Of course, if you do do that lurking, you tend to get accused of being a sock.) -- asilvering (talk) 16:55, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Abandoning an account and starting with a new one, if not under sanctions, is fine, actually. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 17:01, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

A clean start is not the same as "serially creating new accounts". -- asilvering (talk) 17:16, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't realize that's what you're talking about, or that people do that. In re sockpuppetry accusations, I've only seen that at RfA, and having done the lurking myself, have gotten away with it not been accused of anything so far. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 17:37, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Issues with citations

In my Draft:Softly Dies a Lake I am persistently getting {{cite journal}}: line feed character in |journal= at position 54 (help). Cannot understand what it means. Cannot fix it either. Please help! 137pallavisingh (talk) 20:51, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

There was a line return between the words LITERATURE and AND. I fixed it. David notMD (talk) 21:20, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much! 137pallavisingh (talk) 21:22, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Check all your refs. For example, the doi for ref #5 does not go to the journal article. Others have problems. David notMD (talk) 21:23, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

should I remove the doi? 137pallavisingh (talk) 21:24, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Can you please tell me the problems? 137pallavisingh (talk) 21:25, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

6 & 7 don't connect. David notMD (talk) 21:47, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Crazy.

My question is why do people give notices or edits so fast? Wouldn’t there be millions of possible page edits in Wikipedia? Or are there just a lot of people that have that rank to give out notices? 2603:8080:200:5519:C826:4041:8416:424F (talk) 18:52, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, welcome to the Teahouse. Many folks spend their time watching for disruptive edits of various kinds, fixing the issues and notifying editors of problems with their edits. There is no rank of any sort required; even IP editors can (and do) patrol Wikipedia in this way. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:40, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

For example, I chose to watch about 40 nutrition-related articles. Everytime I log in, I see the last edit to any of those that were changed. David notMD (talk) 21:17, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

And an automated program clears the Everybody Sandbox every hour (but each registered account has its own Sandbox, not auto-cleared). David notMD (talk) 21:55, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Where do I post ui bugs

I'm recently seeing an issue where I have two add topic buttons, one grey and one blue. Seems like an oversight in not hiding elements as the workflow changes. Where can I report this behavior? Very Average Editor (talk) 06:39, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Very Average Editor, you might start by going to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical), reading what's written at its head, and then deciding where best to bring up the matter. -- Hoary (talk) 08:26, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Very Average Editor (talk) 00:14, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Voice recordings

I wanted to know what is Wikipedias policy and rules about uploading voice recordings, speeches etc. I’m interested in uploaded voice recordings of historical people to add them to various articles but am not sure how or what is allowed and isn’t. I look forward to hearing from someone, thanks. ✠ Robertus Pius ✠ (Talk • Contribs) 20:58, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Robertus Pius. Please read Help:Creation and usage of media files. Cullen328 (talk) 21:05, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Robertus Pius, "voice recordings of historical people" suggests to me recordings of which you are not the copyright holder. If you're not the copyright holder, the onus is on you to demonstrate that a recording either (A) is not copyright (is "in the public domain") or (B) is copyleft according to one or other of the (unusually permissive) copyleft licenses that are acceptable to the WMF. As an uploader's failure to do this would cause the WMF to break the law and would waste the time of the volunteer who deletes the file, explains the deletion, etc, you should make sure that you understand both the issues involved and the copyright status of a particular file before you upload it to Wikimedia Commons. -- Hoary (talk) 00:30, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

How do you refer to the noughties?

Is it ok to say from the swinging 60s to the naughty 00s? i checked mosdecade but could not find an answer. I am referring to music. Thank you Bijou1995 (talk) 12:13, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Unless you were quoting, Bijou1995, that would be editorializing. How about "from the 60s to the 00s"? -- Hoary (talk) 13:19, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

thank you i will use that Bijou1995 (talk) 13:47, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Just to clarify, is it ok to use abbreviated years as i have been told off for that? I think i remember mosdecade saying its ok if you use the swinging 60's etc, i have put this..... from 1970s, 1980s, 1990s to present, is that acceptable? Bijou1995 (talk) 13:55, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Bijou1995, I suppose that the MoS is necessary; and yes, it is at times obviously beneficial. But I for one don't worry about it so much. There are MoS fanatics. If you write "60s" and somebody insists on "1960s", they can fix it themselves. If they take the trouble to point you to a prescription somewhere in the MoS for "1960s" in preference to "60s", then fair enough, from that point on use "1960s". Meanwhile, if you have a question about MoS, better ask it on an MoS talk page, which will be populated by people who know MoS well (and who, I hasten to add, aren't all fanatics). -- Hoary (talk) 14:03, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

That's excellent, thank you very much, I wasn't aware of MoS talk page. Bijou1995 (talk) 14:12, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Technically in the case you described above, it would be better to simply say "from the 1970s to present" without the need to list all the decades in between since "to" implies it includes the intermediate decades. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:31, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Bijou1995 (talk) 15:00, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps mistakenly, I took "the naughty 00s" to mean the period from 2000 to 2009, or possibly one year later. Even if it's as late as 2010, this is not what I, in 2023, would call the present. -- Hoary (talk) 22:39, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes my mistake, you are right it is up to 2010. I haven't heard any nicknames for 2010 onwards so I have no idea what they are called. Bijou1995 (talk) 09:48, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Translation volunteer.

Helloo, I’m Brazilian and currently a translator student. I would like to know if it’s possible to be a volunteer on Wikipedia. That way I can train my translation skills and help disponibilize articles from English to Brazilian Portuguese and vice-versa. Dark Tea LK (talk) 23:51, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

@Dark Tea LK Welcome to Teahouse! Yes! In fact, most contributions here are made by bold volunteers like yourself. I will post on your talk page some introduction guidelines and policies you should be aware of before editing. Happy editing and learning! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 23:54, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello. Dark Tea LK. Please read WP:TRANSLATE and WP:TRANSLATEUS. Pay special attention to the legal requirement to properly attribute the source material. Cullen328 (talk) 00:03, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi...Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English needs some love too. Lectonar (talk) 09:08, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

@Dark Tea LK I'm sad to inform you that "disponibilize" is not an English word, though clearly it should be. -- asilvering (talk) 16:51, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Interesting. There is a Portuguese translation of Prince Harry's book Spare. I don't know what the title is (in Spain it's En las sombras ("In the shadows")) but it may well be Disponível. 2A00:23C1:E10D:BD01:A85B:4E3E:CAB3:30BA (talk) 11:46, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Adding an English translation from Polish article

Hello! I need help with adding (or rather pinning) my translation to a polish article. Right now it's in my drafts, and I can't seem to get it to work. Can anyone help me with approving the article, correcting it and publishing it under the Parent Article? (translation: User:Felomat972/Wikipedysta:Felomat972/Firmao ; Partent Article: https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firmao)

Thank you in advance!

Felomat Felomat972 (talk) 11:28, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Dobry dzien, Felomat, and welcome to the Teahouse. I have added a header to your sandbox which will allow you to submit it for review when it is ready. But in my opinion it is not ready now, because it doesn't look to me as if any of the sources are adequate to establish that the company meets English Wikipedia's criteria for notability. I haven't looked at the sources themselves, only at your citations, so I may be wrong; but I don't notice any that appear to be both Reliable sources and independent of the company, or those that might be I suspect do not contain significant coverage of the company. All of these three elements must be present in sources which contribute to notability. ColinFine (talk) 12:02, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Overuse of [show] and [hide] content sections making Wikipedia too cumbersome to use?

Consider the following sample content article... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agile_software_development Note the sidebar at the right in which every few lines of information requires clicking the [show] link to view just a few elements of additional information. This makes Wikipedia too cumbersome to use and I wonder if there is a way to discourage this practice for new content by default? Mlegare16 (talk) 20:07, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Mlegare, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure exactly what you're talking about, and it makes a big difference what you are looking at it on. On my computer I see no show/hide sections at all. On the Wikipedia app, I see just three instances in a long article: these are tables, which show normally on my computer, but are collapsed by default on the app.

If I look in a browser on my phone, I see that each section of the article is collapsed: is that what you're talking about? In that case, I'm afraid that there's not likely to be much you can do about that. Articles that are not divided into sections are awkward and unwieldy to read. ColinFine (talk) 20:30, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

They're talking about the sidebar. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 20:31, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I'm talking about the sidebar section in this example. Organizing into sections is great, but hiding just a few lines of content behind a control that requires user interaction to view seems to only waste time and focus. This is quite different from being able to skip to a relevent sub-section by having section links at the beginning of the article in long articles requiring scrolling to read since clicking is not required to see the additional content. Mlegare16 (talk) 21:13, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

The place to bring this up is Template talk:Software development process. It's definitely not normal for sidebar templates to have nothing showing by default. -- asilvering (talk) 22:10, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

I've expanded the relevant section of the template. This is the normal way to display sidebars so I don't know if posting on one specific template's talk is the best way. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 22:15, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean by "I've expanded the relevant section of the template." can you explain? Mlegare16 (talk) 02:47, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion asilvering. I reviewed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Software_development_process but it is unclear to me how to present my comment using the relevant Template talk vernacular. Mlegare16 (talk) 02:06, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

The section "Paradigms and models" in the sidebar is now expanded so that you can see its innards: "Software engineering, Agile, Cleanroom, Incremental, Prototyping, Spiral, V model, Waterfall" :3 F4U (they/it) 15:42, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps these sections cater to smaller screens. If so, I hope a way the collapsed (hidden) content sections could be expanded automatically by default on larger displays to as not to penalize users with larger screens by requiring a lot of manual interaction to view each content element. Mlegare16 (talk) 21:17, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

@Mlegare16: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1184. You may want to switch the skin to Vector Legacy (2010) to get everything on the left-hand side without the need for context menus. To do so, go to Preferences → Appearance → Skin → Vector legacy (2010). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:42, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I had already done that since I think the old layout (Vector 2010) was much better. Mlegare16 (talk) 01:50, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

@Mlegare16 - That’s great! Again, welcome to the Teahouse. Is there anything else we can help with? - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 01:59, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. If this is some default global setting for the editor that controls this behaviour (like a master sidebar template) ideally I'd like to post my comment to that team. Also, is any group out there advocating for a return to defaulting to Vector Legacy 2010 again, as Tenryuu's post reminded me that I have to login on each device I use (too many!) in order to control this preference. Mlegare16 (talk) 02:23, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

The RfC for defaulting back to the old skin has ended, and to my knowledge a closure review won't be available for quite some time. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:31, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Sad, but based on how much was in the RfC you refernced, I doubt a few more of my comments would have swayed the decision. Had I realized there was an RfC like that when the change was introduced, I definitely would have spoken up! Thanks for the info. Mlegare16 (talk) 02:44, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Why there is no VEI 9 eruptions?

Lake Toba has VEI 9 eruption in List of large volcanic eruptions. And also it should be added in Volcanic explosivity index. Also Flat Landing Brook also has a VEI 9 eruption.

Facts about VEI 9: There's only 2 volcanoes erupted in VEI 9. Others are unknown. Cubic Square meters are >10,000km³ And also Plume height is >30km

Will you add VEI 9 to this page Volcanic explosivity index? Jovandrisus777 (talk) 05:30, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Jovandrisus777. If you expect Teahouse hosts to resolve your content dispute, then you are wrong. We are not vulcanologists here. Try out the established Dispute resolution procedures, and always be prepared to expain how your edits comply with policies and guidelines. Cullen328 (talk) 06:06, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Volcanic explosivity index goes to VEI 8 and includes Lake Toba and Flat Landing Brook. At Talk page of that article you have aready requested addition of a VEI 9 catagory. To make your case there (not here) you need to add references that confirm the existance of VEI 9. David notMD (talk) 10:24, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

I see that VEI was developed for U.S. Geological Survey, and that scale stops with 8. David notMD (talk) 16:00, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Can Template:Pageviews record views from before an article was created ?

Hello, Just a question that may be useful in determining the level of interest for an article regardless of considerations like that readers would have to navigate to the specific URL instead of the page appearing in the search bar and so on. If I create a page that doesn't exist, but the name had been visited before, could the pageviews template display this? Or will it begin from the date of page creation? many thanks Fishing Publication (talk) 12:56, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

@Fishing Publication Wikipedia doesn't keep records of the search terms people use in its search bar, only records of which pages they actually visit. Hence the answer is "no". Internet search engines like Google do keep internal records of the search terms used and hence can provide statistics on trending keywords. However they don't make all their data freely available to the public. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:04, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Editing help.

Hey, how do you know if your citation is accepted and if it is rejected? Commentnahi (talk) 14:04, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Well, in general, any mainstream source, book, magazine or newspaper is probably going to be a good source. You want sources where the subject is the main focus of it and you want sources that were not written by that company/person and aren't hit piece or fluff pieces. You really have to go on a case by case basis. Ultimately, it does come down to who is looking at it and what intentions they have. I've seen very good articles thrown out and I've seen horrible articles stay for years.KatoKungLee (talk) 14:20, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse! citations aren't usually rejected or accepted. if what you mean is fit to be in an article, it needs to be a Reliable, Third Party source (forgot what page to link to, will link later) make sure its also from a neutral point of view. if you mean deleted from an article, you can put the page on your watchlist to check for changes. -I.R.B.A.T^{(yell at me) (The IRBAT Files)} 14:21, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Commentnahi, and welcome to the Teahouse. In most parts of editing Wikipedia, there is no concept of "accepted" and "rejected". Any edit you make - whether it involves a citation or not - may be reverted if another editor disagrees that it is an improvement. If that happens, it is not a reflection on you, and it does not mean that the other editor is right and you are wrong: what it means is that somebody has disagreed with your edit, and your choice now is either to let it go, or to open a discussion with that other editor (and any other editors who are interested) to try and achieve consensus. It might be that several editors agree with you, and the consensus goes your way. It might be that nobody agrees with you and the consensus goes against you. It might be that the various editors come to a compromise that you can all live with. It might be that you cannot agree, and then you can look at dispute resolution, to see ways to proceed.

WP:BRD explains all this in more detail. ColinFine (talk) 16:46, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Updating Information

Greetings. Ref this page- Chris Barfoot

After several years of details being added and changed by interlopers- I decided to change and verify the information on the Chris Barfoot page- because 'I am Chris Barfoot'... I do not claim to be skilled as an 'uploader' or moderator and I don't understand a lot of the processes that have developed here- Some of the information on the page is not incorrect but is too raw- when considering the times we live in regarding fraudulent activity. I rewrote the page but the format has offended some of the moderators. I was more interested in updating the information. I suppose I seek a friendly moderator- to make the appropriate changes to my new biography- or I fear I shall be attempting this change till the end of time. It is not my forte... I am very happy for a brilliant moderator to make appropriate changes. I can verify that the information I have attempted to upload is true and correct. What next please? Thanks all. Chris. ATLANTEAN PROTAGONIST (talk) 11:54, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @ATLANTEAN PROTAGONIST – a few comments:

1. We have no way of knowing who you are, other than your say-so.
2. If indeed you are the person in question, you should not be editing the article yourself, but should instead request edits. Even then, you need to cite reliable published sources to support your requests.
3. You also must formally disclose your conflict of interest (COI). A message has been posted on your user talk page to this effect; please respond to it.

Thank you, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:04, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks DoubleGrazing. Yes... I've been educated to that effect by C.FRED and get it now. Thank you. ATLANTEAN PROTAGONIST (talk) 12:09, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

@ATLANTEAN PROTAGONIST It may be surprising, but Wikipedia does not have moderators of its content, only a group of editors who try to create content in line with policy: for biographies, specifically as described at WP:BLP. Thus we create articles about topics, backed up by reliable sources meeting the golden rules. If we have an article about you, then for fairly obvious reasons we don't want you to contribute to it because you are unlikely to have a neutral point of view, one of the core requirements. Rather, we want you to use the Talk Page at Talk:Chris Barfoot to make your suggestions, as indicated by DoubleGrazing. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:11, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Chris Barfoot should probably be deleted, there is zero evidence that you are notable in Wikipedia terms. Theroadislong (talk) 12:12, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

WP:BIOSELF might also be of some use here. Lectonar (talk) 12:13, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi. I was attempting to address to address that very subject and upload details about my career. I can see that this is not the way. If you wish to completely delete the page... please do so. Many thanks. ATLANTEAN PROTAGONIST (talk) 12:17, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

ATLANTEAN PROTAGONIST The article Chris Barfoot has been in existance, in various forms, since 2009. As you claim to be Chris, you should not edit the article directly. However, if you are truly not satisfied with the article as it now exists you may nominate it for deletion via the Articles for deletion process (see WP:AFD). After a week or so of comments by editors, an Administrator will make a decision. Or, just leave it, and hope that people with no paid or personal connection to you will try to improve the article. All the content and references you attempted to add - reverted - are visible via View history, so someone may use that to add content in Wikipedia's format (none of that bolding, no hyperlinks, proper reference format, etc.) David notMD (talk) 01:48, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

I thank you for the information and advice David. Wikipedia is an excellent source of reference. I use it often and 'do' respect the processes... I just didn't know what they were... haha... I see now how Wikipedia has changed over the years, it was once hungry for information from any source- truth at any cost- it has grown, matured and is policed as it should be... protected.

Ignorance on my part led me to believe that I would be thanked for imparting a fresh and fuller accounting of some of my experiences and connection history, not for ego but for reference (ok, a little go in there). I would change much of the input I was attempting to bring to the table now- but of course that also means 'I wouldn't bring anything to the table, now', I was naive.

We have all led interesting lives, could all write a book... should, perhaps. My independent film career was hard fought and isn't over yet. It nearly was... There is much I didn't divulge, the decade of Cannes, the fights and hugs with Hollywood stars, the dinners and dances, finances and romances and desperation, the agony and the ecstasy. The business isn't just about the art- most indie filmmakers have to be astute industrialised bods, managers, producers, accountants, hundreds of skills that don't relate to telling stories at all- just so that stories can be told.

In youth, we dream of fame, immortality, wealth and being adored, respected, honoured. Now? Personally... I've done enough and seen enough and been enough to know none of that really matters. I've watched the powerful fall and icons disappear and history doesn't care, not anymore. I decided to openly amend the Wikipedia page in my name- because it didn't say anything about beating thousands of deserving people to the awards I'd earned, or the people I'd met, the privileged life I've so far had that at times cost me my family life and self respect to achieve, and where am I - being mildly persecuted for bothering to set the record straight.

I stuck to the basic facts, only touched upon events like when Dustin ate my business-card and my friendship with giants like Ken Russell. But, yes...if it hasn't been a public- publicised event- it belongs in that book... not on Wikipedia. I don't know why anyone would want to write about my endeavours? But people have. Writers and fans have humbled me. I just wanted to set the record straight- start that process anyway.

Every little film I cast and shot on S16 and 35 (in the old days) and then sold to broadcasters- was an amazing feeling, shooting commercials for companies like Pepsi Co, highly lucrative, but most of the time I had to work outside of the industry 'to survive'... still, I made it happen, I achieved the highest ever audience with NBC Universal's Sci Fi Channel and was a winner of Sky's Top Ten Short Films of all Time... little wins in the world- but mine.

I'm a writer but not I'm not Mr King, I'm a director but I'm not Mr Spielberg, do I need to be? I am proud of my successes- I have at times lived the dream. I feel like I'm on trial here a bit... (ellipses galore) but it is of my own volition that I waste my time imparting this crud to you- and now, you've earned peace... ;-) Many thanks. ATLANTEAN PROTAGONIST (talk) 07:42, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

@ATLANTEAN PROTAGONIST You say But people have [written about you]. Those are precisely the sources that Wikipedia can use: already-published material. If you make a well-formed {{edit-request}} on the Talk Page of the article, citing the relevant source, it will be considered and maybe incorporated. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:39, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks... there's quite a lot to learn- protocols etc. I appreciate your advice. Cheers. ATLANTEAN PROTAGONIST (talk) 17:34, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

How to handle an article that reads like a press release?

Hello, brand new editor here! I came across an article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watsco) in my suggested edits that has had the "advertisement" and "primary sources" template messages since 2015, and sure enough, the article is essentially a long press release, and the majority of the content has come from one editor with a likely COI issue. The subject clearly meets WP:N, but the scope of fixing the article seems beyond my capabilities as an untrained editor. In instances like these do I just hope someone will get to it eventually, or should I add it to a watch list and possibly return when I'm more confident in my editing skills? I appreciate any advice. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 16:27, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

If you want to put an article on your watchlist then you can. Cwater1 (talk) 16:31, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

@DrOrinScrivello, I've removed everything that was sourced to their annual reports, press releases, and routine coverage, and I'm not actually sure they're notable. The fact they're the largest distributor in the US is a plausible claim, but yeah, that article was absurd.

If you're interested in continuing to work on it, try to find sources in RS that are independent to use. Valereee (talk) 16:45, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, @Valereee. That was what I was fairly sure should be done but I want a little more experience before I'm WP:BOLD enough to go to that extent. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 17:40, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, that was a pretty big change. Scary bold. :) Thanks for bringing it up! Valereee (talk) 18:04, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

I left a paid editing warning on the user talk page of the person who added all that content, but they haven't edited in 10 months. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:27, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Math

Cruz roja cabanatuan city 112.198.231.179 (talk) 01:17, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Could you please explain what your question is? Professor Penguino (talk) 01:20, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Editing

Why are some factual edits removed? 71.43.129.106 (talk) 18:25, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! As posted on your user talk page, some good faith factual edits can be removed because they are not accompanied by a specific published reliable source for verifiability. When you have an edit that has been reverted, you may follow the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle and post on the article's talk page (e.g. Talk:John Campea) to discuss your suggestions and come to consensus. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:42, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

In addition to what GoingBatty says, your edit to John Campea (which I guess is what this question is about) told the reader in Wikipedia's voice what Campea likes and doesn't like. That is not a neutral use of language, so it is not appropriate. ColinFine (talk) 19:04, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

You can't add an assertion like "John also promotes "vaping" on his show which is seen as a controversial thing" and then just cite his whole set of shows without even giving an episode number or a date. If a reader wanted to verify this (click here) you can't expect them to watch every episode until they find one that does so. One of your other edits to this article is similar in its referencing. Hope this helps. David10244 (talk) 04:37, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

regarding requesting for an edit

hello, i have been trying to change misinformation on article but site is denying my request because of lack of reliable sources? Sagarahir98 (talk) 02:33, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

@Sagarahir98: So what is the problem? If you're referring to your edit requests on Talk:Attack on Titan, you did not provide any reliable source to support your requests. Facebook, YouTube, and Quora aren't reliable sources. Anything with user-generated content cannot be used. You need to find published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:56, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Also, you are abusing the Talk page Talk:Attack on Titan by having made the same request ("mikasa isn't erens adopted sister") seven times. Per Anachronist, reliable source reference called for. David notMD (talk) 11:42, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

how am i abusing the talk page for stating facts from original source?one of the sourced of articl is sf encyclopedia i have already posted offcial site of kodansha japan but my source is unreliable,can i converse with someone who understand japanese and can understand my point Sagarahir98 (talk) 13:40, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

@Sagarahir98 I can't see where you included a link to "sf encyclopedia" with any of your edit requests. Maybe I missed it. And there might be several things named "sf encyclopedia". Does "sf" mean "science fiction"? Is that a Web site? A printed book? There may be several books with this name. Do you have a publisher's name or an author's name? Year of publication, if there was more than one edition? Page number? A reader needs to be able to find the reliably published reference that you are citing, and "sf encyclopedia" is not specific enough. If you assert that you read something in "sf encyclopedia", your assertion does not meet Wikipedia's requirements.

Your link to Kodansha points to a page offering the item (or some item) for sale. Unfortunately, that does not exactly back up the details of your assertion. Please read WP:REFB. Thanks. David10244 (talk) 05:05, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Information regarding quick review of my new Page.

Hi

I want to create a new page related to Indian politics. The page will feature a liberal political party from India it is the topic I think that is not much available on Wikipedia. So in accordance with wikipedia motto of being a useful encyclopedia I decided to account that information here.

But i have solid information that Wikipedia Indian Politics reviewers are "infamous" for talking their time in reviewing new pages.

Question to sincere creators on wikipedia Indian politics topic:-

1) What is average time taken by reviewers to review your new page?

2) What tricks you can use to make them review faster?

3) And Why there is so much backlog of pages to be reviewed especially in Indian politics section?

42.105.74.199 (talk) 13:54, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

(1) I don't know. (2) Write a short article of perhaps three or four short paragraphs, citing three to five reliable sources, in English, that describe the party in depth. (3) Because most people have more thrilling things to do (e.g. rock-climbing, trail-running, stamp-collecting, watching kitten videos on Youtube) than reviewing drafts, whether these are about Indian politics or anything else. (Why "in English"? Does Wikipedia discriminate against, say, Bengali? No, sources in Bengali, Punjabi, Hindi, etc are welcome. But a problem is that few people here can read them. Few reviewers will want to okay a draft when it's based on sources that they don't understand.) -- Hoary (talk) 14:12, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

The draft review process is not a queue. Reviewers select. Hence, reviews happen in days, weeks, or sadly, months. A few reviewers to keep an eye out for the really old drafts. Per Hoary, most reviewers have English as a first/only language, so there is a bias for articles ref'd in English. David notMD (talk) 14:56, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Welcome IP user, if you create an account that is WP:Autoconfirmed you can directly publish articles on Wikipedia, however they will be WP:PATROLED by someone and expect to be higher standards than if you submit it for draft review. Read WP:FOREIGNSOURCES for guidelines on non English languages sources. Politics in general is tricky to get it right in accordance with Wikipedia policies. As a politically active person and editor, I struggle with this myself sometimes. Happy editing! Also posting in WikiProjects WP:INDIA or WP:POLITICS can be helpful for more eyes. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 16:06, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

IP user, to be clear, you can't actually "create an autoconfirmed account". You can create an account, then find articles to edit (to fix spelling or grammar, to add missing references, etc.) After 4 days have elapsed, and you have made 10 edits, your account will become "autoconfirmed". Then, what Shushugah has said applies. David10244 (talk) 05:17, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Questions

• When we create a sandbox, can we delete it by ourselves or is it deleted by admin upon our request for deletion?
• Is sandbox is only visible to users?
• Is the website of the organization can be considered as reliable source on some extent. (for e.g., current and former CEO, President, Vice Chancellor, history, etc.)
• When we write the history of any area, should we write in our own words or copy and paste from history books?

FakeInfoDetector (talk) 10:08, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

1. An admin will delete it for you on request. See WP:U1
2. Anyone can see it and edit it.
3. Yes. It's called a primary source and is reliable for basic factual information about itself like CEO etc. Be careful as regards a company's history though, they tend to be the company's flowery version of events and may not correlate with what actually happened.
4. Own words. Never copy and paste because that is a copyright violation. - X201 (talk) 10:15, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

You can delete content of your Sandbox, leaving it empty. However, an editor who looks at your Contributions can see what you deleted and what was in the Sandbox before the deletion. David notMD (talk) 10:27, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

@X201, @David notMD thanks for your replies.

And lastly, What about uploading the images from any website? FakeInfoDetector (talk) 11:30, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, FakeInfoDetector. The vast majority of images you find on the internet are copyright, and cannot be uploaded or used, except for very limited cases on English Wikipedia where the image and the way it is used follow all of the non-free content criteria.

Some images are in the public domain (for example, many images published by the US Federal government) or have been licensed by their copyright owners under a copyleft licence such as CC-BY-SA, and those can be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons and used. But it is the responsibility of the uploader to ensure that the copyright status is satisfactory. See Help:Upload. ColinFine (talk) 11:56, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

@FakeInfoDetector For the third item, a company's own site might be reliable, but it won't be independent. See WP:YFA for information. You need several reliable, independent, in-depth sources to show notability. But X201's answer was correct for CEO, etc. David10244 (talk) 05:26, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Have the article, but don't have the exact source

I've been taking screenshots of articles from various magazines over the last few years. I never had any intention to use them for wikipedia, so I didn't grab the magazine numbers or the dates. Is there any way I could still use some of these without knowing the month and issue? They are foreign magazines that I don't own and have no physical access to, so finding the dates and such is not going to be easy.

Thanks KatoKungLee (talk) 13:43, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

@KatoKungLee: Welcome to Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1184. You're most likely not going to be able to use those because they're virtually guaranteed to be copyrighted. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:30, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

@KatoKungLee I think you are eligible to join the Wikipedia library if you have not already done so. That gives access to archives of newspapers and magazines. Then you could use keywords from your screenshots to search again over these archives and hence find the full citations. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:56, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

@KatoKungLee: I believe it is alright as long as you know the magazine and article title. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:09, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

@BeanieFan11 That answer might be a bit incomplete, As far as I know, a citation should give the publication name (magazine name), date of publication or issue number, and article title at least. The magazine name and publication date might be on screenshots -- maybe in the URL if that was captured. You can't upload the actual screenshots. See WP:REFB for the info you need to supply, if you can find it. You might also search the web, even without the Wikipedia library, to see if you can find enough info for a citation. David10244 (talk) 05:37, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Tenryuu, Mike Turnbull, BeanieFan11 - Thank you for the replies guys. I'll see what happens here and maybe give it a go.KatoKungLee (talk) 20:59, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Tropical Bopha (2006)

the draft was Tropical Storm and help editing ok 124.106.195.79 (talk) 05:13, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

I've helped with some grammar, could you please add some of your references? commemorative (talk) 05:18, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

@Commemorative1 ok add my references 124.106.195.79 (talk) 05:26, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

It seems there's already an article with this storm, someone with more expertise could advise on when and how to move a page to its own article. commemorative (talk) 05:29, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

add a http://www.usno.navy.mil/NOOC/nmfc-ph/RSS/jtwc/best_tracks/2006/2006s-bwp/bwp102006.txt We couldn't make a citation for you. You can create one manually using the "Manual" tab above. 124.106.195.79 (talk) 05:40, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Editor/Author in citation

I'm currently making citations for individual chapters of this book. Yasue Kuwahara is the editor for the entire book, but Kuwahara is also the author of the last chapter. In the citation template should I include "Yasue Kuwahara" in both the author/editor slots or should I remove the editor slot for that citation? Cheers! :3 F4U (they/it) 14:41, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

For context, the citation currently reads:

Kuwahara, Yasue (2014-02-20), "Hanryu: Korean Popular Culture in Japan", in Kuwahara, Yasue (ed.), The Korean Wave: Korean Popular Culture in Global Context, New York: Palgrave Macmillan, pp. 13–31, doi:10.1057/9781137350282_11, ISBN 978-1-137-35027-5

Would that be appropriate with the name appearing twice? :3 F4U (they/it) 14:54, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

@Freedom4U That seems sensible to me, particularly as you will have other chapters where someone else is the author. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:51, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Your reasoning makes sense. :3 F4U (they/it) 16:17, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Second question

Also, while I put the location as "New York", instead of "New York, New York" in that citation-- should I do that for more obscure places as well? Like "Thousand Oaks" instead of "Thousand Oaks, California"? Or should I include city and state? And what about non-US places in that case? I'm just not sure on what exactly I'm supposed to put in the location thingy... :3 F4U (they/it) 15:39, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

@Freedom4U, Typically, it is acceptable to omit the state/province for so-called 'global cities' (ie New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, London, Paris, Rome, Hong Kong, Tokyo), but once you get into more obscure places you want to put city, state (for the US, so Thousand Oaks, California) or a similar specification for foreign countries. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 16:28, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I remember reading some squabbling about this in a FA nomination, but the only locations they had were so-called 'global cities' so they ended up scrapping all of the states. :3 F4U (they/it) 16:31, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

@Eddie891 I have a second question...if the location is part of the name of the publisher (ie. Hong Kong University Press), should I omit the location parameter from my citation? :3 F4U (they/it) 17:08, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, the location parameter is not necessary when it is otherwise obvious. There is no need to say that the San Francisco Chronicle is published in San Francisco, but when I cite my hometown newspaper, The Union, I add that it is published in Grass Valley, California. Cullen328 (talk) 18:06, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Ah, thank you! :3 F4U (they/it) 18:14, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

The New Yorker magazine can get away with mentioning a certain newspaper that they call the Times. They know what they mean! David10244 (talk) 05:40, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

That note was mostly in response to @Cullen328... David10244 (talk) 05:42, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Marriage Date Errors of Tiko Campbell

Tiko (Frederick) Campbell was married to me, Starletta Flowers of Philadelphia, PA. We were married on July 3, 1971 and divorced March 12, 1974. There were no children born to the marriage. This was Tiko (Frederick) Campbell’s first marriage. This was prior to his marriage to BeBe (Elizabeth) Moore Campbell. I have official documents to substantiate this information. Starwmson08 (talk) 23:43, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and Welcome to the Teahouse! It appears you have a conflict of interest in this subject, meaning you are related/involved in it. I would recommend making an edit request on the talk page of the article and providing reliable sources, not original research, to support your claims. Once again, Welcome! - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 00:02, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

@Starwmson08: Hi there! You may wish to use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard to make your suggestion. Note that Wikipedia prefers independent sources that can be independently verified, such as books, newspapers, magazines, or websites. GoingBatty (talk) 00:58, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Several online sources state Tiko Campbell was married to Bebe Campbell from 1970-79. As a separate issue, it is not clear that Tiko meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, so the article may be nominated for deletion. David notMD (talk) 08:49, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Regarding article for creation

Can we create a new draft when the older one was declined and again is in reviewing process? The first review was quick but now it is taking too long to review my draft again. I think creating new draft will be quicker?

Anyone with experience please reply. 117.215.150.205 (talk) 07:32, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. There is no numerical limitation on the number of drafts you can have in the process, but my suggestion would be to wait until your first is accepted before you create another, so that if you made mistakes on the first, you don't repeat them on the second. 331dot (talk) 07:50, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

No, you shouldn't create a second draft on the same subject as the first if you have the first in review. It takes as long as it will take. Wikipedia has no deadlines- are you under some sort of deadline? 331dot (talk) 07:53, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

If you create a second draft about the same subject it will simply be rejected as a duplicate. You should continue working on only one draft per subject. You are welcome to go on improving the draft while it waits for review. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:14, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

There is always a backlog of thousands of drafts waiting for review. The system is not a queue. For any draft - including your resubmission - could be days, weeks, or sadly, months, before a reviewer decides to review it. Submitting the same draft with a slightly different title just pisses off reviewers. David notMD (talk) 08:53, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Question regarding Draft submission

if a draft declined and again it is in resubmission process can we again make it as new draft? 42.105.138.188 (talk) 03:45, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Judging by your IP's geolocation you're probably the same user or at least asking about the same draft as the later question which has already been answered, but still: you're welcome to submit a new draft on a new topic while your earlier draft is awaiting review (although this may not necessarily be the best idea, for the reasons given by 331dot), but you should not submit another draft on the same topic as it will only be declined as a duplicate (and, if you keep doing that, may eventually get you into trouble). HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:03, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Where to report a IP if it caused disruption ?

A IP user https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/1145916816 here did disruption, By removing well ref material. He should be blocked from editing, how can he remv data without explaining in summary? Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 10:28, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Rock Stone Gold Castle. I'm not an administrator so I might be missing something here, but I'm not sure I would call the IP's edit vandalism, at least not per Wikipedia:Vandalism#What is not vandalism. The edit, for the most part, seems to have be mainly syntax tweaking, which might've been unnecessary but is certainly not a blockable offense. The IP did remove sourced content from the infobox about Sharma's former partner, but that could've just been an oversight on their part, which again is not a blockable offense. Accounts usually only get blocked when they're being used for some serious disruption that's typically been going on for quite awhile; this IP account has made five edits since August 2020 and the last edit it made before the one you saw was more than six months ago to a soccer article; in other words, it doesn't seem to be focusing on the Sharma article and trying to be disruptive. It's also quite possible that the edits were made by different persons using the same IP address. Anyway, you restored the information that was removed and probably nothing more needs to be done. If the IP comes back to remove it again, then maybe administrator involvement will be needed. If that happens, don't edit war over the content with the IP, but instead try and follow WP:DR and figure out why the IP has removed the content. If you try that and the IP still doesn't stop, then seek assistance from an administrator. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:55, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

I corrected the part according to a comment of a Wiki editor, would you check it?

Hello! There is a comment on a article (Thomas Maurice Rice, Wikipedia) (Achievement on the mechanism of superconductivity) I wrote, but I don't know how to do it. I am not expert on Wikipedia and am not understand the comment itself. I am hesitate if I delete the article all or not.

Today morning, I corrected the part through deleating a reference and change of reference position according to the comments. Would you please check my correction? If it is right, would you please delete two comments in head part and the subsection part of 'achievement of on the mechanism of superconductivity". Best regards Composer 2600:8805:3F8A:2E00:8590:8090:AE17:C0EE (talk) 14:11, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Thomas Maurice Rice I do not know enough about the article or have the time/interest to read the specific references, but if someone disagrees with you, they can discuss it on Talk:Thomas Maurice Rice or edit directly. Asking in Wikiproject WP:PHYSICS may yield more subject experts. Please read WP:NACADEMIC for best practices on Articles about academics. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:17, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

جنية مصري 102.44.96.44 (talk) 14:30, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Draft: The Ocean Foundation

Hi there! I am writing a draft page for a nonprofit organization called The Ocean Foundation: Draft:The Ocean Foundation. So far, it has been declined twice: the first time it needed more reliable sources. After I added those, it was declined again because it still needed more reliable sources, and also now reads like an advertisement (I'm not affiliated with the org and was just going off of sources I found). Would someone be able to help me out with which sentences read like advertisements, and also which sources I should take out to be more reliable and in-depth? I'm a very new editor so please be kind :). This is all just a little overwhelming. Thanks so much in advance! Wikicontributor1993 (talk) 19:37, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Wikicontributor1993, and Welcome to the Teahouse! I think the draft came off to the reviewer as promotional because a lot of the text was similar to what would be on a website for that organization. Your draft is very positive, and isn’t super neutral. The Neutral point of view policy may be helpful: While you have done a great job so far, the reviewer thinks the subject of the page may not be notable enough for a page on Wikipedia. Our notability rules may be helpful. Once again, Welcome to Wikipedia and the Teahouse! - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 20:59, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you SOO much!! Will try that out now. I also took away a lot of text that seemed a little more promotional once I read it over again! Wish me luck! Wikicontributor1993 (talk) 21:01, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Good luck and Happy editing! - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 21:10, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

After reading your draft again, I think it is almost ready for mainspace! However, the section titled “Conservation Initiatives” still reads quite like an advertisement. I would fix it up and submit if for review again. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 21:15, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

DONE! Thank you so much again and for taking another look! I just submited it for review 🤞 Thanks again!! Wikicontributor1993 (talk) 00:29, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Good luck! 👍 I would still keep an eye on this discussion and see if another user has more tips to increase the chance of it being accepted. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 00:30, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Great thinking, will do!! Really appreciate your help! Wikicontributor1993 (talk) 00:32, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

You are very welcome. I have approved your article and published it to mainspace. I have tagged it for maintenance, so other editors will help you improve it. Your have now created an article on Wikipedia!! - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 00:39, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so so so much!!! Woohoooo I feel like I need to celebrate this accomplishment somehow! 💙💙 Wikicontributor1993 (talk) 17:14, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

@Wikicontributor1993 Don't break out the champagne just yet. The article has been re-draftified by Randykitty, who thought it wasn't currently ready to go live. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:20, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Just saw that 😭😭. Ok, we got this. I'm going in. Wikicontributor1993 (talk) 17:21, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Fixing a link

Hello Teahouse,

I was looking to fix what I think is an incorrectly captioned link on this page: Quinametzin. I posted on the talk page about a month ago and I haven't heard anything back. Is it okay for me to make this edit? FlapjackJones (talk) 17:03, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

@FlapjackJones welcome to Wikipedia! I actively encourage you to be WP:BOLD and fix it yourself directly! If someone disagrees with you, then discussing on talk page per WP:BRD makes sense. I do think it's nice to ask on talk page before directly editing, when I am worried an edit will be potentially controversial. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:12, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Shushugah! I've gone ahead and made the edit. FlapjackJones (talk) 17:23, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Question about uploading a photo

Hi,

I recently wrote Dr. Swett's Root Beer. The brand was active in the early 1900's, the company basically folded in the 1950's and the trademark expired in 1990. I found some old ads of theirs in early 1900's newspapers and I was assuming that it would be okay to upload an image for this. I'm thinking there really can't be any possible issues with this, but does anyone have any ideas?

Thanks KatoKungLee (talk) 17:20, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

@KatoKungLee Anything published before January 1, 1928 is in the public domain in the USA, which is likely to be where the relevant newspapers were published. Hence provided you use scans of something earlier than that, you'll be fine to upload to Wikimedia Commons. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:24, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Mike Turnbull - Wonderful, thanks.KatoKungLee (talk) 17:27, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

@KatoKungLee P.S. Use the tag {{PD-US-expired}} on the files. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:30, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Got it, thanks.KatoKungLee (talk) 17:31, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Billy Rautenbach

Have removed quite a lot of PR + spin from Billy Rautenbach, can some experienced editors review this article, has it has many issues + needs more tidying up. Regards --Devokewater 17:45, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Where to report vandalism ?

A person removed data here [2] and added spam links. Rock Stone Gold Castle (talk) 18:43, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Usually you can just revert the edit and leave a notice on their talk page warning them to stop. If they don't stop after being warned, you can post a report at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents or Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:15, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

hello my family and real friends

how are you guys doing sorry about everthing i was sleeping it seems i nee help with money but got no where to find it i work since i was 14 years old they stole everthing from me Mob780 (talk) 18:31, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

This is Mob780's only edit. To Mob780: The only function for Teahouse is to advise editors (new and old) on questions they have about editing Wikipedia. David notMD (talk) 22:07, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

my article is got declined

Can you help me what i have to do get approval for my articles. Evenyaro23 (talk) 19:37, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Evenyaro23. Your draft User:Evenyaro23/sandbox is an unreferenced biography of a living person. That's a policy violation. It is written in a non neutral, highly promotional tone. That's also a policy violation. Read and study Your first article to understand the changes you need to make. Cullen328 (talk) 19:48, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

See also WP:BACKWARD. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:30, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Given its promotional content, expect it to be nominated for Speedy deletion and then quickly deleted, leaving no trace. Per the advice above, neutral wording and references required. David notMD (talk) 22:10, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Banning vs Blocking

Hey y'all. I've never understood the difference between blocking and banning on Wikipedia. Apparently, a block is a technical removal of editing rights while banning is a formal one, but that just seems to be redundant. Crusader1096 (message) 22:40, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

You might want to look at WP:BLOCKBANDIFF. I'd summarise the main current difference as this: Admins can lift blocks. Bans can only be removed by groups of people. Generally speaking. For topic bans it can be a bit more complicated. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 23:00, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

bots

i made an edit that was not vandalism that i know is true and a bot got rid of my edit Pastalavist (talk) 03:34, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@Pastalavist: Your edits used poor grammar or punctuation, and made a claim about a living person without citing a reliable source. It isn't sufficient for an edit simply to be "true". ~Anachronist (talk) 04:34, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

that i know is true Sorry your contribution was deleted by a bot. One solution here is to find a source that covers the topic. You can then put the verifiably true material into an article with the source. For a brief introduction to references check out this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Referencing_for_beginners

Good luck, Rjjiii (talk) 05:35, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Getting New Page Reviewed

I created a new page on March 16 and it's yet to be reviewed. What's the process for it getting reviewed? Apologies if this is the wrong place to post. In future, if I have questions about the review process, I should post them at Articles for creation help desk? Thank you. MaskedSinger (talk) 04:02, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@MaskedSinger: The process is to wait. Reviews are not done in a queue, the topics for review are chosen by the reviewers from the entire pool. It can take several months. What draft are you referring to? ~Anachronist (talk) 04:32, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@Anachronist: Oh I see. Thanks for explaining. Such being the case, is it better to submit new pages via AFC? Or it's ok to just create and then wait for it to be reviewed? It's Matthew Belloni.MaskedSinger (talk) 04:34, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@MaskedSinger: The article Matthew Belloni hasn't been reviewed because it isn't a draft waiting to be reviewed, it hasn't been submitted for review via WP:AFC, it's an article in article space. Do you want it to be a draft that you submit for review?

I'll say for now that you have several redundant citations that should be consolidated. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:41, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@Anachronist: What's the difference between an article waiting to be reviewed vs a draft waitiing to be reviewed? I don't know how to consolidate redundant citations. MaskedSinger (talk) 04:51, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@MaskedSinger: See for example Draft:Jayant Biswas, which has a big yellowish banner at the top saying it's waiting to be reviewed. Once it is reviewed, it is either declined for further improvements and the author can re-submit it, or the reviewer approves it and moves it to article space.

Experienced editors usually create articles directly in article space, bypassing the review process. Most of my articles are like that, but occasionally I'll write a draft and submit it for review if I'm not confident about it, to get suggestions for improvement.

If you publish in article space directly, as you did, it's assumed to be publishable; that is, it meets the notability criteria for inclusion, it cites sources meeting the WP:Golden rule criteria, and it's reasonably well written and formatted. The risk of doing this is that your article may be deleted because the topic may not actually be notable, the sources may not meet all the requirements of providing significant coverage, reliability, and independence of the subject. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:14, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@MaskedSinger: I just consolidated the duplicated references for you. The topic looks notable, but sources that are not independent of Matthew Belloni should be removed if possible. This includes profiles on employer pages and press releases. I didn't check the sources, I just consolidated the citations. ~Anachronist (talk) 05:22, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! MaskedSinger (talk) 05:40, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

My edits have all been completely removed bc of a coi(declared)

my edits have all been removed. I think that a complex legal case should show all arguments. I have a declared interest in this case, however it was very one sided before, and so I eventually jumped into the article. No-one had an issue for nearly a month,until this individual who seemed to come from nowhere, and in that time it had been amended, looked at, sources tightened etc. Someone who was not previously involved has just taken it all away, and has now taken complete dominance of the narrative, unchallenged. No real exploration of all sides. I added genuinely verifiable sources including the judges findings and reasoning and the decision-making process of both the defence and judges. Just all removed by one person. I'm really upset by this. I spoke to the person involved in their talk page not the talk page of the case. That was a mistake, maybe they didn't see my explanation? I've since spoken on the article talk page but they are not interested now. They've completely removed all of it, I think that at least some must have merit, but they've chucked the lot, including amended bits by other editors. No-one else thought there was a blp issue with my contributions when they looked at it, and it was looked at by everyone previously involved. I think everyone's given up now, and so this person who disengaged from discussion will now get their way. This doesn't serve Wikipedia, or freedom of information. There was a coi, which was pointed out I then declared, and the person who pointed it out was happy to leave my contributions in place thereafter, because it's all verifiable and true. The other person who was so determined to remove this, has disengaged from the talk page, so I'm not sure what to do. No-one else found any blp prob, and had no issues with my contributions. It's a complex legal case and I think that more information about it the better, in particular the judges findings. I didn't delete anyone's contribution,( even those by a prolific sockpuppet), which bizarrely this person has left. Npov comes from both sides being given. I agree with freedom of information, I think everything should be shown.what should I do. I'm feeling harassed, but better for talking about it. Beautiful Rosie (talk) 08:30, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Beautiful Rosie I looked over the talk page discussion and it was handled appropriately and respectfully. The advice other editors gave you was helpful. Seek to establish consensus and make a {{request edit}} on the talk page if you have specific changes that are compliant with Wikipedia tone. We are seeking a neutral summary of verifiable sources, not neutrality for its own sake. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 09:08, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Just to add to this, the content was not removed solely because of a conflict of interest issue. Please see the talk page discussion for the reasons why your additions were reverted Talk:Murder of Don Banfield/Archive 1#Beautiful Rosie. Thank you. ErraticDrumlin (talk) 09:11, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Nevada State Museum website permission

I have been in contact with the Nevada State Museum, Las Vegas, to post some of their collection images on Wikipedia, specifically concerning items related to Folies Bergere at The Tropicana Hotel Las Vegas. They expressed interest in participating in this article and sent me a permissions form with a section on websites. The form seemed more generic and did not use Wikipedia Creative Commons terms. Do you have any suggestions on how to move forward with the museum? Gumballhead1of2 (talk) 09:47, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Gumballhead1of2. You could try sending the museum something along the lines of WP:PERMISSION or c:COM:EMAIL and see if they'd be willing to release their content as explained on those pages. While CC license are easily to use for Wikipedia purposes, the museum might be able to craft it's own license if its own words as long as it's compatible one of the acceptable license found at c:COM:CC. The two main things that are going to be need to be sorted out. The first one is the provenances of the images; in other words, whether the museum actually is the copyright holder of the images in question. Having possession of an image doesn't necessarily make one the copyright holder of the image. If the museum got the images from someone or somewhere else, then they might not be the original copyright holder of the images. If they took a bunch of old images of unknown provenance and just digitalized them, then whether that's sufficient to establish a new copyright on their version seems to be a gray area and might be seen as some as copyfraud; so, the more you can find out about the provenance of each image, the better for Wikipedia or Commons purposes. The next thing is, assuming the museum is the copyright holder of the images, going to be to see whether the museum is willing to release the images without any restrictions on commercial or derivative reuse. Non-commercial (NC) and non-derivative (ND) types of licenses are unacceptable for Commons purposes as explained in c:COM:LJ and there's pretty much no way around that since Commons doesn't accept any type of fair use content as explained in c:COM:FAIR. Wikipedia does, however, allow such content to be uploaded locally as non-free content, but Wikipedia's non-free content use policy is more restrictive than fair use as explained in WP:NFC#Background and there are quite a lot of restrictions placed on such use. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:27, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the detailed feedback. I will follow up with the Nevada State Museum. Gumballhead1of2 (talk) 10:46, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Anti-LGBTQ+ statement on User Page

Hello Teahouse. Is it allowed for someone to have the following on their User Page: "I have strong views against the LGBTQ+ community"?

If not, where should I report this please? Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 02:54, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@MrsSnoozyTurtle: I view a statement like that as a disclosure of a conflict of interest, and such disclosures are encouraged for every editor. An editor with a conflict of interest should stick to the talk page for articles having topics related to the conflict of interest. ~Anachronist (talk) 04:29, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

I think this might be WP:POLEMIC? -- asilvering (talk) 04:50, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@MrsSnoozyTurtle I found the person you are talking about. While it's disappointing that they have such views, I looked through their activity and it's 90% on their user page and probably about 10% biographies of engineers. They at least don't seem to be actively promoting anti-lgbt ideas. They kinda come off as a possible sockpuppet though. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 05:34, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Ask them to remove it. If they don't, WP:ANI is right that way. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 08:10, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

• Agreed, request them to remove it and report at ANI otherwise. One of our pillars is WP:CIVILITY and homophobic editors should keep it off Wikipedia or find another platform. The fact this doesn’t seem to impact their main activity is promising to hear, but all the more the reason why their views on LGBTQ community are not relevant to Wikipedia. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 09:13, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

People have all sorts of userboxes that aren't relevant to their activities on Wikipedia. It doesn't matter. Thornfield Hall (talk) 12:22, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Bigotry isn't accepted, though. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 12:23, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you everyone for your help. I have asked the user (DiscreetCharmOf Bourgeoisie) to remove the text, so we'll see how that goes. Regards, MrsSnoozyTurtle 10:51, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

how can my article be approve

please i need contact of a good writer Gkingmusik (talk) 10:54, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello Gkingmusik. Your draft was rejected, which means that it is not a suitable subject for a Wikipedia article, no matter how well written. See WP:PROMO. Also your username is in violation of WP:ORGNAME. Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:26, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

User blocked. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 12:34, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Request for changes in the page

How can I request for extensive expansion or reorganization of Meena page? -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 10:08, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Karsan Chanda, and Welcome to the Teahouse. I would recommend requesting substantial changes to Meena on its talk page using an online edit request. The Edit request wizard will help you do this. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 10:23, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Ok -- Karsan Chanda (talk) 12:43, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

IP Vandal help

Hi, can someone provide me the forum to report ip vandalism. multiple ip's (ig they belong to a single user) are vandalizing the pages by removing the content unexplained (blanking). see: Category:Assembly constituencies of Andhra Pradesh 456legend(talk) 12:52, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Vandalism reports go to WP:AIV, regardless wether its a registered user or an IP adress, after the editor in question has been sufficiently warned. That being said, the only IP adress in the page history of the linked category hasn't edited since 2014, so the issiue is long stale. Victor Schmidt (talk) 13:08, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Victor Schmidt thank you for guiding me to the reporting page. I didn't mean the ip editor in the history of the category page but the pages in the category. (see the history of the pages in the category and not the page of the category. I hope you understood what I mean here) 456legend(talk) 13:29, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Category move help

Hi, can someone move en:Category:Telangana ministry to Category: Telangana ministries similar to the other categories under this big category - en:Category:Indian state and territorial ministries for consistency and accuracy. Thank you. 456legend(talk) 18:53, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

@456legend: Welcome to the Teahouse! To request the renaming of a category, see WP:CFDS. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:54, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty Thank you 456legend(talk) 13:30, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Notability of football athletes

What policy page currently governs the determination of whether an article about a football (non-American) player should be deleted because of that person's not being notable or, potentially, the absence of an A7 claim of significance? The problem is that WP:ATHLETE claims that a very broad class of people are notable for certain sports, but not football (and, say, rugby), and says that sports not named are only subject to WP:SPORTBASIC. Meanwhile, WP:SPORTBASIC alone doesn't justify the thousands of pages about football players one can find at e.g. Category:England international footballers. Wuffuwwuf (talk) 19:26, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Am I right that it's WP:NSPORTS2022? If yes, what (I'm seriously asking) is the reason such articles have not been deleted by now? Wuffuwwuf (talk) 19:34, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Wuffuwwuf. There used to be a specific notability guideline for association football commonly called "WP:NFOOTY", but after a monumental and somewhat bitter discussion, that guideline was removed and WP:SPORTBASIC is currently the applicable standard. Cleaning up the massive number of stubs about non-notable footballers will take years. Cullen328 (talk) 19:40, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, you found the discussion. Existing articles need to be evaluated on their merits, which is a lot of work, and there remains widespread opposition to deletion. Cullen328 (talk) 19:42, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thank you. Wuffuwwuf (talk) 19:44, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

If you continue to tag clearly notable articles (such as England international footballers) for deletion, you will be blocked. GiantSnowman 10:56, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Wow! How many venues did you post this message to, anyway? Wuffuwwuf (talk) 13:55, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Unusual ISBN

The ISBN which appears at https://archive.org/details/caligulacorrupti0000anth/page/n7/mode/2up is CN 6816 resulted in "the appearance of {{cite book}}: Check |isbn= value: invalid character (help)" after I entered it the ISBN field and clicked Publish changes. Since it isn't a standard ISBN I wasn't surprised. I deleted it but wondered if there's a way it can be included anyway. Mcljlm (talk) 20:14, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Mcljlm. Template:cite book says "In very rare cases, valid identifiers (f.e., as actually printed on publications) do not follow their defined standard format or use non-conforming checksums, which would typically cause an error message to be shown. Do not alter them to match a different checksum. In order to suppress the error message, some identifiers (|doi=, |eissn=, |isbn=, |issn=, and |sbn=) support a special accept-this-as-written markup which can be applied to disable the error-checking (as |<param>=((<value>))). If the problem is down to a mere typographical error in a third-party source, correct the identifier value instead of overriding the error message".

I think it is saying you can use isbn=((CN 6816)). ColinFine (talk) 00:13, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@Mcljlm: That is not an ISBN number. Guild Publishing has their own system of CN numbers. Somebody screwed up and wrote ISBN right before it. https://www.abebooks.com/Caligula-Corruption-Power-Anthony-A-Barrett/16652207621/bd says "ISBN 10: 0300046537 / ISBN 13: 9780300046533", and later "Guild Publishing Edition : CN 6816". Your link says 1989 but several book sources at ISBN 9780300046533 say it's from 1990. Maybe your link is from an early version before it actually got an ISBN number. I imagine somewhere it said "ISBN [large blank space] CN 6816", and some intern (always blame the intern) changed it to a single space. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:53, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

1989 is the date of the UK edition (see the British Library entry). I changed the citation from the 1990 US edition to the 1989 edition in the Historical accuracy section of Incitatus. Looking at the Secondary sources section of Caligula now I notice 978-0-7134-5487-1 appears as the ISBN. Would it better to enter that, leave the citation as it is now, or do something else? Mcljlm (talk) 12:38, 26 March 2023 (UTC) Mcljlm (talk) 12:38, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

This search shows a number of books, from different publishers, presented with that odd "ISBN: CN xxxx". ColinFine (talk) 15:26, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

References

Adil Qadri

I am writing to request a correction to the article on Adil Qadri. In my previous edit to the article, I mistakenly included some inaccurate information that I would like to correct. BizWriter2023 (talk) 15:29, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@BizWriter2023: Welcome to the Teahouse! Your edits to the article have been reverted. The article has been nominated for speedy deletion. GoingBatty (talk) 15:51, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Talk Page colors

Hey y'all. This is not a question of technicality or the like, but I would like to ask why are templates in the talkspace are colored sepia instead of the default white-grey? Crusader1096 (message) 22:39, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Which templates? Where? A template has no colour unless it has been defined as such. ColinFine (talk) 15:27, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Hi there! @Knightoftheswords281 might be referring to templates at the top of articles (e.g. {{orphan}}) vs. templates at the top of article talk pages (e.g. {{WikiProject Biography}}). GoingBatty (talk) 16:03, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Tropical cyclone Bopha (2006)

help edit my draft pls ok Draft:Tropical Bopha (2006) 122.2.116.213 (talk) 02:02, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

2006 Pacific typhoon season already has a well-referenced section on Severe Tropical Storm Bopha. You can copy that into your draft as long as you acknowledge in your Edit summary where the content and refs were taken from. The real question is can you add more detail to your draft. The season article has a few links to separate articles about other tropical storms. Those may be models for the type of additional information you should seek. Those details may be in the existing references, or you may need to find more references. David notMD (talk) 08:44, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@David notMD: edit ok 122.2.116.213 (talk) 08:51, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@David notMD you not vandalize me and not blocked 122.2.116.213 (talk) 09:02, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

I am not the editor who reverted some of your edits. I am not the editor who warned on your Talk page that you may be blocked. David notMD (talk) 09:06, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@122.2.116.213 not vandalism edit and @David notMD ok for Draft:Tropical cyclone Bopha (2006) 122.2.116.213 (talk) 09:36, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

I am also not a reviewer. David notMD (talk) 16:50, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

CommonsDeLinker keeps deleting my Files and Media for an Article

article in question is about Francisco lugo viña molina, a Spanish nobleman. He has a painting.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Francisco_Lugo-Vi%C3%B1a_Molina

You can look the article for yourself and edit if you want to. But is there a Way to stop CommonsDeLinker? Ive tried Three Times. I just uploaded the image to WikiData but it always gets deleted. Any help would be great! Ayyyple2 (talk) 19:32, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Ayyyple2, User:CommonsDelinker's edit summary says: Removing Franciscolugoviña.jpg; it has been deleted from Commons by Fitindia because: Media uploaded without a license as of 2023-03. Please upload your media with a license. That can be found on commons:COM:Licensing Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 19:37, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

I dont know what License the Painting has, i do not own it. Its in a museum but i have no idea... Ayyyple2 (talk) 19:39, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

@Ayyyple2, you need to determine the copyright status of any image you upload before uploading it. If you need help, there is a place to ask over on Commons (which is where most images are hosted): here. There's also WP:MCQ on English Wikipedia. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:44, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Ill try.... ill try Ayyyple2 (talk) 07:00, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

@Ayyyple2 Since the portrait was painted about 1800, it will be in the Public Domain now, provided the image you upload is a simple photograph of a 2D painting, presumably available from the Museum's website. However, the presence or not of the portrait won't influence whether the article is accepted, so I suggest you wait and see if it is. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:17, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

It is public domain, but everytime i upload it it gets deleted for no copyright, but i selected no copyright! Can you help me Ayyyple2 (talk) 20:40, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

It's not "no copyright", it's "public domain". That needs to be explicitly specified. If you use the UploadWizard, you should be able to select that setting from a set of options in the web form. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 20:46, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Ill try, if it gets deleted again, i give up... Ayyyple2 (talk) 19:07, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Where to ask for considering restoring an article deleted for G5 based on a new draft.

Hello,

I am the subject of an article that, after several months of being accepted by a new page reviewer, has been deleted for G5.

I apologize for having created multiple accounts, and behaving as a sockpuppet. I didn't know that creating a new account to propose a draft for inclusion, via article for creation, would have been a problem. I have tried to create a good article that I believe would be a good addition to the encyclopedia, especially in terms of the legacy of the Strasberg Method , Sustainability in the Arts, and Climate Change Theatre.

I believe readers interested in topics, such as Film & Theatre , Climate Change, and Art & Culture would benefit from this article.

I have created another draft avoiding promotional tones to comply with NPOV.

The draft is supported by reliable sources including from Enciclopedia Italiana and I would like to ask if it is possible to share it with the community to consider if it is a good addition to the encyclopedia. Please let me know if that is ok. Thank you for your patience.

Giomoras (talk) 18:43, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

G5 is "Creations by banned or blocked users" As you wrote above, you had created multiple accounts and were blocked, which means one has to conclude that Giomoras is a new account. In order to have the G5 deletion restored, you first have to sucessfully appeal the block to your original account. You also mention that you have created another draft. Has that been submitted? The title? Regardless, until you remedy the block, nothing can happen. David notMD (talk) 19:39, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks for your reply. The draft has not been submitted. I wanted to ask for permission first. I could share it if it is ok so other editors can take a look but if I need to remedy the block fist I would try to do that. Shall I ask to be unblocked. Where do I do that  ? Giomoras (talk) 19:56, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Do not share the draft. It's quality and claim for notability are moot until you resolve the original account that was blocked. See Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks. David notMD (talk) 20:06, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Ok. I made a request here . Is it ok ? Giomoras (talk) 20:27, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

I'd advise you to stop posting here and log out your new account, you are evading your block simply by asking questions here. MrOllie (talk) 20:32, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

ok Giomoras (talk) 20:33, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

which template to use?

I created this page: Anton Schaaf and I'm trying to get a template, which template should I use? Vamsi20 (talk) 19:17, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

I mean like an infobox Vamsi20 (talk) 19:17, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Template:Infobox officeholder seems appropriate. As a general tip: I like looking at comparable pages to get a better idea of how to use an infobox best. So in this case I'd look for a politician who was both an MdB and an MdL at some point in his career. Random person no 362478479 (talk) 20:47, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

I just saw he only ran for MdL, he didn't get elected. So you can just take any MdB's page as model. Random person no 362478479 (talk) 20:50, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Is it a violation of WP:PRIVACY if you trace someone's IP and mention the university in talk?

I came across a comment on a talk page where an editor traced an unregistered IP editor to a university and referred to them explicitly:

I want to thank the Duke University IP address(es) for this opportunity to re-examine the Wikipedia article about GISAID from his/her perspective.

-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:GISAID#A_response_from_an_experienced_editor

Is this a violation of WP:PRIVACY? Looking up an IP is not difficult, but it's not necessary and makes the IP editor potentially identifiable by others who come across the page. AncientWalrus (talk) 06:11, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi AncientWalrus. I don't think it would be since it doesn't specifically identify an account with an particular person. An IP address is public information and as you say anyone could look it up if they want. When someone edits using an IP, they are essentially making themselves potentially identifiable by others who come across the page as soon as they click "Publish changes"; so, they seem to be sort of WP:OUTING themselves in a sense. Having said that, you could ask about this at WP:OVERSIGHT or WP:AN to see what an oversighter or administrator might think. I'm neither, but I don't think this is something they would consider a violation of OUTING. Finally, for future reference, if you do come across anything that really seems like OUTING in the future, it's probably better just to seek oversighter or administrator assistance right away (preferably by email if possible) instead of possibly creating more stuff that may need to be cleaned up later by posting about it in too much detail on other Wikipedia pages or general noticeboards like the Teahouse. Oversighters and administrators are able to revision delete or suppress content that is a serious violation of Wikipedia policy and shouldn't be publicly visible, and they will be better able to limit the cleanup that needs to be done. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:52, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

@AncientWalrus: I'm an administrator, and in my view, there is nothing wrong. An IP address location is public information. At the bottom of every IP address talk page is a "whois" link to look up information about that IP address; Wikipedia is actually aiding you in doing this, if you choose to do so. You are actually more anonymous if you create an account. ~Anachronist (talk) 07:20, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Understood! So not considered doxing, but there's still the question why one would bring it up. It's still a personal attack. But that wasn't mh question. AncientWalrus (talk) 14:16, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

It may not violate privacy concerns, but it is part of a pattern of pretty aggressive behaviour of that particular editor on that talk page. You may want to raise those issues at the appropriate place. Random person no 362478479 (talk) 19:16, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Can you recommend what the appropriate place would be? AncientWalrus (talk) 00:28, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

I am pretty new, but I think if you believe that there is a chance to get the person to engage in a civil discussion it would be Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard. And if there is no real hope for that Wikipedia:Administrators noticeboard/Incidents. Random person no 362478479 (talk) 00:48, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

I once wrote on an article talkpage "Hello IP:s from Maryland!", thus indicating that since the subject was from Maryland, maybe... Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:46, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Sorry I don't understand, can you explain?There's maybe a difference between saying: it's someone from Maryland or from a specific university. That restricts people quite a lot in a narrow field (virologyl/bioinformatics). AncientWalrus (talk) 14:14, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

@AncientWalrus Sorry, that was pretty obscure. Here:Talk:Catherine_Nakalembe#Hello_IP:s_from_Maryland. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:14, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Ah, now it makes sense :) AncientWalrus (talk) 16:21, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

It may not be against the rules, but it's kind of creepy. Smallchief (talk) 14:30, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Collaboration?

Hi, is anyone interested in collaborating with me to bring in standardization in the articles listed under this category: Category:Assembly constituencies of Andhra Pradesh WP:TEAMWORK 456legend(talk) 17:32, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

The Teahouse isn’t the best place for this. The Help desk or just asking users on their talk pages may be a better option. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 23:36, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Okay. 456legend(talk) 00:47, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@456legend: You could also try asking on the talk page(s) of the category's WikiProject(s). Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:43, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Okay thank you for the input. 456legend(talk) 04:58, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Swedish newspaper source access

I would like to access some Swedish language newspapers to expand and improve an article. The Ängelholm UFO memorial has several reliable sources that are behind paywalls or partial paywalls where only the introduction is visible. I'm familiar with Wikipedia access to newspapers.com and the Wikipedia library, but these Swedish newspapers do not appear to be included. I attempted to sign up for a trial month using machine translation, but this appears to be available only to residents of Sweden. The specific source links are:

• https://tidningar.kb.se/1865536/1972-09-29/edition/170058/part/2/page/1/
• https://www.hd.se/2022-07-11/guidade-turer-vid-ufo-monumentet?utm_campaign=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_source=site-feed
• https://www.hd.se/2015-07-20/nu-rojs-det-kring-ufot
• https://tidningar.kb.se/1865536/1972-09-29/edition/170058/part/2/page/1/

Any guidance is appreciated, Rjjiii (talk) 05:23, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@Rjjiii, welcome to the Teahouse. Like you said, the hd is paywall, and the kb says "Copyright protected material, can only be read digitally at the Royal Library and at a few other libraries." You can try WP:RX or asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Sweden. @Bonadea, perhaps you know something helpful? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:52, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing me in the right direction. I imagined something like wp:rx existed but had no idea where to look. Take care, Rjjiii (talk) 08:23, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Copying between projects

Hi, can I create an article by copying all the information from another Wikipedia that has the page, then translating it to English ? I'm wondering if it's possible to copy/transfer the whole article to the English Wikipedia. Dancing Dollar ^{(let's talk)} 15:16, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@Dancing Dollar: Welcome to the Teahouse! The answer is yes - see WP:Translation. However, the translated article still needs to meet the English Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:53, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@Dancing Dollar:, indeed it is possible. Please make sure you observe the Wikimedia's wmf:Terms of use, which require translation attribution along with a link to the foreign Wikipedia article you translated from to be placed into the edit summary of the edit where you added the translated content. See WP:TFOLWP for how to word this. Mathglot (talk) 08:41, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Page being removed twice by same user

Hi there, I've been trying to create a new Wikipedia page. Used references but it has been removed for the second time. I'm not understanding what I'm not doing correctly. And how can I see which user is removing the page and how can I talk to that user directly? This is the page Taryll Jackson JXNLegacy (talk) 12:00, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello. It looks like you have figured out how to contact the user directly. 331dot (talk) 12:21, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I think so. I saw two users so contacted them both. JXNLegacy (talk) 12:40, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

JXNLegacy, Taryll Jackson started as a redirect to 3T and has been restored to a redirect by both Taking Out The Trash and Onel5969. A glance at the former when it was an article doesn't suggest to me that it shows that Taryll Jackson is notable (as understood here). If you'd like to persuade editors that Jackson merits an article, the best place to do this would I think be Talk:3T. Incidentally, your username rather makes me think of "Jackson legacy"; do you perhaps have some relation to Taryll Jackson? -- Hoary (talk) 12:26, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Aside from the username, there are some pretty clear indications this person is related to Taryll in some way. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:29, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the clear answer. I am a supporter of the family but I did not think I was being "promotional". I used references and sources and thought the information was neutral. So other users should create the page? But those are probably also Jackson family supporters right? JXNLegacy (talk) 12:37, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Clarify "supporter." Is "JXNLegacy" an organization, or just your personal choice for a User name. onel5969 suggested that because of a suspected personal or paid connection to the Jackson family, you should declare any such connection on your User page and then use WP:YFA to create a draft. Of the three brothers that make up 3T, Taj merits an article, you have been attempting to do same for Taryll, and I suppose that leaves TJ neglected. Given Taryll having a solo career, a split may be warranted. However, as noted above, Hoary was able to look at the article version of Taryll Jackson and doubted it was Wikipedia-notable. One alternative for you to consider is improving the Taryll Jackson's solo career in 3T. Right now, it is a list of song releases. None of that establishes notability. What is needed is references to what people have written ABOUT Taryll. Improve the section first, and then make a case for a split. David notMD (talk) 12:51, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Personal choice of a user name, maybe not the right one in retrospect? Thank you for the advise David notMD Kind regards, JXNLegacy (talk) 13:03, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

If no paid or personal connection (see WP:COI for what that is about), then declare such on your own Talk page. Still means - per Hoary - that there may not be enough published about Taryll to justify an article. Do look at Taj Jackson as an example of what works. David notMD (talk) 13:08, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Saratu Altine Umar

Kindly assist in reviewing this draft article Draft:Saratu Altine Umar Toniventure (talk) 11:32, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Toniventure Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You have submitted the draft for review. As noted on the draft, "This may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 3,499 pending submissions waiting for review." Please be patient. 331dot (talk) 11:36, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your response, can you please go through it an check if it confirms with all the wikipedia rules? Toniventure (talk) 11:39, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@Toniventure The article definitely needs more references, especially in the Career section. I would also recommend some (not insignificant) restructuring and rewriting. Do you mind if I do some editing (I don't want to mess with someone's draft without their explicit permission). Random person no 362478479 (talk) 11:53, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Kindly help in making the changes, permission granted. Thank you Toniventure (talk) 11:59, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Saratu_Altine_Umar Given that the draft has been declined twice it would have been better to come here before submitting it again. Random person no 362478479 (talk) 11:42, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Although five references have been added since this was last declined, there are still chunks of text not supported by any references. There may be time to fix this before the next review..David notMD (talk) 11:50, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Toniventure That's what the reviewer will do. 331dot (talk) 11:54, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

It has been reviewed again and unfortunately, it's been declined. It's my 1st article on Wikipedia and i'll appreciate if you can help go through it again so we get an approval Toniventure (talk) 13:51, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Who is "we"? Are you associated with this person? 331dot (talk) 13:54, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

I meant the team of Teahouse helping me with the article. I am not associated with the person Toniventure (talk) 13:58, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

It was the points i took here i used to make changes and amendments Toniventure (talk) 11:57, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Help renaming a draft

I just did my first page, but I messed up the name. It's called Draft:Initial. How do I fix it? Ai-ml-enthusiast (talk) 23:26, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, @Ai-ml-enthusiast, and Welcome to the Teahouse. The only way to fix it is by moving the page, but you don’t have the permissions to do so. I can move the draft for you. What do you want the new title to be? - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 23:58, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

I have moved the page to Draft:Signifyd. If this is the wrong title let me know, and I can move it somewhere else. Welcome to Wikipedia! - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 00:05, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Perfect! Thanks so much! Ai-ml-enthusiast (talk) 05:20, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

@Ai-ml-enthusiast Your draft would be much better if the citations used the {{cite web}} template: see that link and WP:REFB. The current use of "retrieved from..." is not how we usually do things and makes the URL visible as a distraction to readers. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:00, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Converted! Thanks for the tip! Ai-ml-enthusiast (talk) 01:19, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@Ai-ml-enthusiast The draft looks much better but will, I think, fail to be accepted if/when you submit it to WP:AfC. The problem is that you haven't (in my opinion) got over the hurdle of showing that the company is notable as defined by Wikipedia. Most of the content is WP:RUNOFTHEMILL stuff that all companies do. The more promising parts, where you say they have won awards (e.g. refs #13, #14), lead to sponsored awards of dubious value that seem to be given out to a large number of entities. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:52, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Gotcha. I was trying to do a total profiling of the Chargeback_insurance space because the companies operating in it were early adopters of AI/ML in their business. This was the only player that didn't already have a page; the others being Riskified, Forter, and ClearSale. You're right about the "best places to work" awards. I'll cut that. I think the fast company one is more exclusive. There's also the Four-day workweek element which I thought was interesting. Ai-ml-enthusiast (talk) 14:57, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

What is the American Declaration for the Rights of Indigenous People In The United States

oas.org Yeamaya9 (talk) 17:13, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@Yeamaya9 seems like an indigenous rights organization. I have no idea whether it is notable, but if it is then feel free to make an article on it, or a draft if you are unsure Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 19:24, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

This seems like more of a question for WP:REFDESK. Justinwsk (talk) 01:27, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@Yeamaya9 This is the teahouse, a place where basic questions are answered about Wikipedia. My recommendation is to consult your local search engine. Also, read Wikipedia:HOMEWORK Club On a Sub 20 (talk) 15:31, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Rules regarding reliable sources about Kickstarter projects

When the subject of an article has a Kickstarter campaign can the project's Kickstarter page be used as a source of information about the project or is an independent source required? If it can be used does it matter whether the campaign is ongoing or completed and whether it is successful or not? I would appreciate a general answer, but in case it matters: I am considering adding the title and the campaign goal of a film project and the fact that the campaign was successful. Random person no 362478479 (talk) 11:01, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@Random person no 362478479 I would treat the Kickstarter page like we treat the subject's own webpage, since it is certainly not WP:INDEPENDENT. Hence the information can be used as in WP:ABOUTSELF but will not contribute to the notability. If you are creating a new article/draft we need about three sources meeting these golden rules. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:18, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull Thank you. That matches with what I expected. Random person no 362478479 (talk) 14:24, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull Turns out that kickstarter.com is on a spam blacklist. Oh well, the information I wanted to add is not that important and I expect that sooner or later there will be other sources to document it. Random person no 362478479 (talk) 15:55, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Uploading Image of a living person.

Hi

I found an article about a living person that can use his image for better understanding and originality. The person has provided his image for public display on his own private website. Can i source his image from there and use it on wikipedia article?

Do i need a written permission from him for doing so? Jatin1219 (talk) 05:55, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Jatin1219. You must assume that any photo you find on the internet is restricted by copyright laws, unless you find solid evidence to the contrary. Any photo of a living person must be either freely licensed or in the public domain to be used on Wikipediah. Anything you find on Wikimedia Commons is OK to use. Photos taken by employees of the U.S. federal government while performing their job duties are in the public domain. A small percentage of photos on Flickr are freely licenced. The vast majority of other photos of living people are copyright restricted and cannot be used on Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 06:21, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Also be aware that, in most cases, the photographer holds the copyright, not the subject of a portrait, unless there is a written legal agreement reassigning the copyright for money. People are rarely willing to give away for free rights that they paid money for. Cullen328 (talk) 06:24, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for reply

I found pictures available on wikimedia either sourced from random website (example this pic is sourced from this random website) or even from youtube thumbnails(example ). The secound example says that picture available on youtube thumbnails are in common licence. Is it true?

If not then how did they survives without legal agreement? Jatin1219 (talk) 07:30, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@Jatin1219 On your first example, scroll down and read under "Licensing". The uploader has proved, via mailcontact, that the image is ok. There is a system for this in place, because sometimes copyrightholders think that "donating" pics is a good idea. In the YT case, check where it says "License" above the comments[3]. Uploaders on YT can publish their stuff under such licenses if they want. Not that Commons (or WP) is error free [4][5], but these examples seem fine. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:30, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

So I can not upload the picture of a living person on wikipedia or wikimedia without contacting him personally even if his page is on wikipedia and pictures are available online? Jatin1219 (talk) 09:16, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

As was mentioned above. The subject of the photo is not the important person. The owner of the copyright of the photo is the most important person. - X201 (talk) 09:41, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Your options: A) contact the photographer and convince that person to create a Wikipedia account and donate the photograph to Commons for free use everywhere; B) contact the subject of the Wikipedia article and convince that person to take a selfie, create an account and submit the photo; C) stalk the celebrity to take your own photo. Best of luck. David notMD (talk) 11:28, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I will opt for option 3 :) Jatin1219 (talk) 11:32, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

3 people with WP-articles in one picture, score!

Conventions are good for stalking. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:34, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

What is the procedure of secound option. If i can convince the subject to click a selfie then what steps he need to do to upload his picture on commons? Jatin1219 (talk) 12:43, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@Jatin1219, point them to [6]. I have on occasion successfully asked a subject or WP:COI-person who turned up at WP themselves to provide a pic, but never initiated an off-WP contact myself. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:08, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

fair use image

There is an image on the Arabic Wikipedia that is fair use, do I have to reupload it on the English wikipedia or can I use it across wiki. Here is the image PalauanReich (talk) 18:15, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi again @PalauanReich. Only images on Commons are shared across the various versions of Wikipedia. You'll need to upload the image locally to English Wikipedia, with an appropriate non-free rationale per our own non-free content guideline (which may or may not be different from Arabic Wikipedia's rules). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:45, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Good to know, thanks PalauanReich (talk) 19:13, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Looking at the image, it's being used on the New Qena article on arWiki, and as we also have the same article here you could theoretically upload it here as well for that use, however I'd suggest expanding the article here first as it's basically a one or two sentence stub which is completely useless to an encyclopedia. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:08, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

How to make a created template appear

I just created this - Template:Miss Polonia winners. What code do I use to make it appear in an article?

Thanks KatoKungLee (talk) 18:06, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

to add a template, just put {{}} around the name.

So {{Miss Polonia winners}}, returns

PalauanReich (talk) 18:16, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

PalauanReich - Thanks, that worked.KatoKungLee (talk) 18:21, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@KatoKungLee note I changed the |name = parameter to match the casing of the Template itself. Happy editing! In the future if you have technical/template related questions, WP:Village Pump (Technical) is also a suitable place to ask. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 21:57, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

COI editor is directly editing the page, am I addressing this properly?

Hello! I've been having trouble with a declared COI editor on Behgjet Pacolli's page. I've asked them to submit edit requests via Talk instead of how they've previously edited the page directly. I've posted on WP:COIN twice (here and here) with no response. Is there another avenue I can take this through? Thanks! 30Four (talk) 01:21, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, 30Four. I have pageblocked that editor from the Behgjet Pacolli biography, although they are still free to make formal edit requests on the article talk page. Cullen328 (talk) 01:58, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Crime and Privacy

I recently reverted an edit where someone was removing a brief mention of two teachers who had been arrested from a school districts article for privacy concerns. The arrests were both cited with a credible source. Is it valid for the editor to have removed this information? TheManInTheBlackHat (Talk) 02:17, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, TheManInTheBlackHat. I guess this is related to Somerville Independent School District. In my view, it is not appropriate to mention arrests of teachers that took place five to six years ago, when no evidence of convictions has been provided. According to WP:BLPCRIME, which is part of a mandatory and non-negotiable policy, A living person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law. Accusations, investigations and arrests do not amount to a conviction. For individuals who are not public figures; that is, individuals not covered by Public figures, editors must seriously consider not including material—in any article—that suggests the person has committed, or is accused of having committed, a crime, unless a conviction has been secured. I recommend that you follow that policy carefully. Cullen328 (talk) 02:25, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Distinguished Flying Cross US WWII

Hello,

My father, William Lewis Tarver, was a recipient of the DFC from both the US and Australia during World War II. I'm sure he would be very grateful if his name was included in the list on the related Wikipedia page. He earned the award for his heroism during the Battle of the Coral Sea. Is it possible to have his name included on the list? If so, what documentation might I provide to confirm his receipt of the reward? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinguished_Flying_Cross_(United_States) Thank you, Billie (Tarver) Nordmeyer (VisualEditor please.) B1234gn (talk) 00:59, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Good day, B1234gn.

Firstly, if you want to proceed with making or supporting the creation of an article for your father, you want to declare that you have a conflict of interest.

Secondly, are there independent sources that mention him. All the recipients listed have their own articles as far as I can tell. The guidelines for notability can be found here. ✶Mitch199811✶ 02:02, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, B1234gn. In order for your father to be listed in Distinguished Flying Cross (United States)#Notable recipients of the DFC, it is necessary that he be the subject of a Wikipedia biography. That is the significance of the word "notable". It seems that the U.S. government awarded over 20,000 DFCs in World War II, and so we cannot list every recipient, but only the notable ones. Cullen328 (talk) 02:17, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

@B1234gn Side note on "Visual Editor please". If you are asking other editors to use the Visual Editor when they reply to you, please note that there will be no difference in the actual reply that you see, whether the person replying used one editor or another. You won't even be able to tell. On the other hand, if you are asking that any reply that involves editing instructions should be geared toward the Visual Editor, then your request might make sense. (Personally, I would reword it slightly to say something like "I use the Visual Editor".) I hope this info makes sense; I was a bit wordy. David10244 (talk) 08:15, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

When my new article be available on Google search

I created an article two days ago and it still is not availabe on any google search. I want my new article on google search. Did i do something wrong with my article because it is not showing on google? 59.98.188.235 (talk) 06:06, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Which article are you asking about? We may be able to answer the question then. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 06:22, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:Controlling search engine indexing. New articles are not indexed for search engines unless the page has either been reviewed by the Wikipedia:New pages patrol, or 90 days has gone by, whichever comes first. This is a basic quality control measure to prevent complete junk on Wikipedia showing up in Google or Bing searches. Cullen328 (talk) 06:34, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

How did you "create" the article? Was it a draft that you submitted for review, and it was accepted, or did you create an article directly in mainspace? (I forget if IP users can even do this. The IP address has no other contributions.) David10244 (talk) 08:28, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

citing wikipedia when writing my eBook

is it legal and legitimate to cite wikipedia when writing my eBook 103.245.219.133 (talk) 07:35, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

hi ip user! it's best not to cite Wikipedia directly for your work. it's instead best to cite (and before citing, check) the source/s attached to ensure that what the article is saying is accurate to what the source is saying. it's probably not acceptable to use Wikipedia directly in most cases when you're working with a publisher. however, if you're citing something about Wikipedia itself, such as articles in the Signpost. there's much more information in Citing Wikipedia regarding this. happy writing! 💜  melecie  talk - 08:03, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Also bear in mind that Wikipedia is in a constant state of flux. What it says one day it might not say the next, so any citation should include a date and time stamp. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:11, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

You can link/cite a specific version of a WP-article, like so:[7] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:45, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Full guidance is at WP:REUSE. You would be allowed to include verbatim bits of Wikipedia content provided you acknowledge their source (which you can do for example with a permalink to the version you used) and license your eBook as CC-BY-SA. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:25, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull I would clarify though, the book itself can have ANY license or even no license. Only the Wikipedia sources text must be attributed. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:22, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@Shushugah: Unless I'm misunderstanding, the "SA" in CC-BY-SA means that the derivative work must be released under the same license as the original work, so wouldn't the book not being licensed under CC-BY-SA be a copyright violation? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:28, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf If I am wrong, I'll gracefully bow out, but I understood this to explicitly refer only to the actual copied material from Wikipedia, not say the entire book. So for example, if I write a book, and include one paragraph from Wikipedia, I must correctly attribute Wikipedia, and if I slightly rephrase, even that rephrasing must also be Share-Alike per your point, but entire book? I don't believe so. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 20:04, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@Shushugah, @Blaze Wolf On delving deeper into this, I think that Shushugah is correct based on section 4 of the legal code. This distinguishes "the Work", i.e. the Wikipedia bit, from "the Collection" which is the whole of the eBook incorporating the Work and says this does not require the Collection apart from the Work itself to be made subject to the terms of this License Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:54, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Save this article. Most Famous OTT. Shree Venkatesh Films

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Hi Wikipedians, Please support this article (Shree Venkatesh Films). One mad editor marked it for deletion. I think he is not aware with Wikipedia guidelines. 2409:40E3:101A:E46B:ADA8:A18C:BB9:5318 (talk) 05:55, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

hi ip user! firstly, please do not canvass others to vote a particular side in an AfD. that aside, while I do not participate in AfD and will not vote either way, I'd like to note that saying that Shree Venkatesh Films is famous is not a reason to not delete an article, it's whether there are reliable sources like news articles that are independent from the subject itself that matters. perhaps there are valid sources (I haven't looked at the sources in the article or what sources are available), but the heavy amount of primary sources used is what drags it down. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 06:23, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Additionally, ip user, on "mad editor": Do try to avoid ascribing mental abnormality to your fellow editors. It can land you in serious trouble. -- Hoary (talk) 08:20, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

professor dr. Sievers

Hello, i am the secretary of professor dr. Sievers and he asked me to create a wikipedia entry for him in english. but unfortunately i don't know how to do that. I have entered a contribution but it is not recognized. can you help me with this? Melissa özuzun (talk) 11:57, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

this is the link to the page I created: Draft:Burkhard_Sievers Melissa özuzun (talk) 12:05, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Melissa özuzun, you're asking about Draft:Burkhard Sievers. Well, start by reading and digesting Help:Your first article. Note in particular: "If you or someone or something you are personally involved with is worthy of inclusion in the encyclopedia, let someone else add that article." So the best thing to do is to tell Sievers that no, you're not going to create a Wikipedia article about him. -- Hoary (talk) 12:10, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Good day, Melissa. You must declare a conflict of interest as you personally know the subject and are being asked to make the article. He also needs to pass notability requirements. The article itself looks quite messy and you might want to switch to the visual editor, especially for the citations and headings. You may want to look at WP:REF. ✶Mitch199811✶ 12:10, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict)You have been given hints as to why the draft hasn't been accepted on your talk-page. Also, you must declare your conflict of interest. The draft lacks reliable sources at the moment, amongst other problems like the external links you used. Lectonar (talk) 12:12, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello Melissa özuzun. You might suggest that Professor Dr. Sievers read Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. If an article about him is published on Wikipedia that article won't belong to him, and anyone who can find reliable references on him can add to it, even if those changes contain information the professor might prefer not to be in the article. Wikipedia is not social media, so obtaining an "entry" is much more difficult than just telling an employee to add something to the online encyclopedia. Karenthewriter (talk) 13:10, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Melissa özuzun, if I were in your position, I would explain politely to the professor that you have tried, but learned that Wikipedia strongly discourages people from creating articles about their employers and anyone else that they know personally. Maproom (talk) 13:38, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Grocery store - notable for Wikipedia

Hello, I'm wondering if a family-owned grocery store that has 3 locations is notable enough to have a Wikipedia page. And how would I know if it's notable? Healthylivinggrocery (talk) 19:42, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@Healthylivinggrocery: Hello Grocery! If the grocery store you are referring to is your username i suggest you change it as it is currently a violation of the username policy. As for your question, it most likely is not notable enough for an article given that it only has 3 locations so it's most likely just a local store. However if it passes WP:GNG then it is indeed notable. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:46, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Is the store as famous as Wall Drug? David notMD (talk) 21:54, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@David notMD The user has been blocked and cannot respond. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 23:53, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

They have been renamed and are now unblocked. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 23:54, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@EliLG Can you find published sources where others have written about the store, not including interviews with the principals or employees? If so, then you might have enough on which to base an article. David10244 (talk) 08:18, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

@EliLG: Welcome to the Teahouse! You can find Wikipedia's appropriate notability guidelines at WP:NCORP. GoingBatty (talk) 13:54, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Disambiguation

[(Nepal)]

Is the disambiguation required in this wiki page article? The information is from another country's point of view, culture and literature. Also, the same information (from the disambiguation page) can be found in more detail below in the article. Yashodaasdeo (talk) 15:39, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

It looks like you mean Panchayat (Nepal) but that's not what you linked. Am I correct? - UtherSRG (talk) 15:52, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

The OP seems to be referring to Panchayat which is, rightly, a disambiguation page. Suggestions for improvement to any article (or disambiguation page) are best placed on that article's talk page. Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:44, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Plants

I'm a 7th grade student studying the plants of the pacific northwest. Do you have any suggestions for me? Wolfhunter11 (talk) 18:04, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Wolfhunter11, welcome to the Teahouse. I'd recommend starting at Flora of the United States#Divisions and going through the list to see which of them include regions of the Pacific Northwest. The latter article also has a section on ecoregions, Pacific Northwest#Ecoregions, with many links you could explore. If you have specific questions that you can't find answers to, feel free to ask at the science reference desk. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:12, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Copyright Image [?]

I am asking because supposedly AI-Generated images have no copyright infringement, I uploaded https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Cat_on_Skateboard_AI.png is this okay? 多多123 (✉ • ✎) 15:42, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

@多多123 Actually, I don't think so. Per [8] you made this with something called https://www.bing.com/create (I get to see a Swedish-language version). That page has a link to terms of agreement (again, Swedish for me), which states that you can use the creations outside their online services, for personal, non-commercial purposes. "Non-commercial" kills it, Commons-wise, and perhaps "personal" kills it even more. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:01, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh, okay, I will get to deleting it. 多多123 (✉ • ✎) 16:02, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

How do I delete an image on WikiMedia? 多多123 (✉ • ✎) 16:03, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

@多多123 At [9] you should see "Nominate for deletion" in the column of links on the left. At least if you're on a laptop or in "desktop view". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:45, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I found it 40 minutes ago, it will at least take a few hours. 多多123 (✉ • ✎) 16:50, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Commons:Deletion requests/Speedy deletion is an option. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:01, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Can you do it instead, if possible? 多多123 (✉ • ✎) 17:07, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

The image was correctly nominated for deletion. I added my delete !vote. All we can do now is wait. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:08, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Like always. 多多123 ( ✉ • ✎ ) 18:13, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Do I need to put Wikimedia commons copyright on TWA badges which I use in an image? [10] (Imgur link) 多多123 (✉ • ✎) 19:07, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång I am curious about the license, because it seems to pretty directly conflict with: https://www.bing.com/new/termsofuse?FORM=GENTOS and this: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/servicesagreement. Could you post the link? 165.166.111.18 (talk) 17:16, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

The terms of agreement I referred to was [11], #7. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:49, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Your other link says "Bing and Microsoft Start Materials. The articles, text, photos, maps, videos, video players, and third-party material available on Bing and Microsoft Start, including through Microsoft bots, applications and programs, are for your noncommercial, personal use only. " Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:52, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Britannica Encyclopaedia

I wonder if Britannica can be used as a source on here. I am aware of most of Wikipedia's sourcing policies, nevertheless, I'm curious. Riverbend21 (talk) 18:05, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Riverbend21. Per WP:BRITANNICA, it's neither forbidden nor recommended. You can follow that link to read the reasoning. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:15, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello IP user, additionally, WP:tertiary sources (like Wikipedia) are generally discouraged in favor of secondary sourcing, because a tertiary source like Britannica does not specify where it got its information, and while most content there is accurate, if it exists in Britannica, there is usually better sourcing elsewhere. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:40, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh, well hello to you too, Shushugah! 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:44, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Procedure with tagging a recently blocked account as part of long term abuse?

Hey Wikipedians; recently, while scrolling through the revision history of Hurricane Ian, I found reverted edits performed by the now-indefinitely blocked User:Josh Poore (contribs). Upon further inspection, I also found a case of long-term abuse involving CalebHughes involving many of the same kinds of edits, as the LTA case's description of Hughes' normal edits and the user's edit history highly mirror each other. When proceeding to open up an SPI, I received a few warnings on duplicated pages, and I didn't want to proceed further, electing to seek assistance here instead. Could y'all help me with what the procedure to tag this account as one of the long-term abuser's sockpuppets? InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 18:14, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

@InvadingInvader: Hello Invader! In this case, the best thing to do would be to jsut leave it alone and if TPA, EMD, etc. needs to be done then let an admin know about it (preferably in a way that won't induce the streisand effect per WP:DENY). Since it's an LTA tagging the sock wouldn't be a good idea as it would just encourage them to continue as most of the time this is essentially a game to them. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:34, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks! InvadingInvader (userpage, talk) 20:27, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

merging languages

hi! i just made a new wikipedia page, which was originally in German, but when you try and switch languages German isn't there. How do I connect them? They have the same title en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glas_(Album) de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glas_(Album) thanks! Testarossa1066 (talk) 19:25, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

@Testarossa1066 I fixed it by directly updating it on Wikidata directly Glas (Q116961930). ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:38, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

@Testarossa1066: I just submitted a request to move Glas (Album) to Glas (album). After the move is completed, then the Wikidata item can be updated. GoingBatty (talk) 19:39, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

@Testarossa1066: Thanks to DrVogel, this is now  Done. GoingBatty (talk) 21:05, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Matthew Simpson Davage

Hello! I have been working on Draft:Matthew Simpson Davage and I came across an issue with the "infobox officeholder" template. Is there a way to add more office titles, beyond the three offered in the template? The subject was president of five universities. PigeonChickenFish (talk) 22:20, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Ah never mind! I just saw Template:Infobox officeholder, which I believe answers my question. Sorry! PigeonChickenFish (talk) 22:22, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Alan Turing site - I'd like to make an addition please

I'd like to make an addition to the Turing page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing - at the end of the "Awards, honours, and tributes" section:

Turing was the subject of an opera by composer Justine F. Chen and librettist David Simpatico, which had its world premiere in Chicago, Illinois on March 23, 2023. The opera was commissioned by American Lyric Theater and performed by Chicago Opera Theater[footnote].

[Footnote]: https://chicagooperatheater.org/season/turing Robdeland (talk) 22:23, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Robdeland, please make any suggestion for an article at the foot of that article's talk page; thus for the article on Turing, at the foot of Talk:Alan Turing. -- Hoary (talk) 22:51, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Need help with my submission

Thank you in advance for taking the time to look at my plight. My submission is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Max_and_the_Invaders I've looked at a number of bands who have been less published and well known in their local areas, but I can't seem to get any traction unless I find a book, or can prove the band went on tour. I personally think I included it under some tags that give it extra scrutiny. Could someone please advise me what to do next? Many thanks, Major Major Detail (talk) 23:02, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Major Detail, User:M4V3R1CK32 has given you extensive advice, which you should consider before resubmitting. There is a lack of good sources. Non-independent sources, including interviews do not count for notability. You appear to have one source, but we need a couple more. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 23:31, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Tropical Bopha (2006) edit

How to edit teahouse hosts

link → Tropical Bopha (2006)

1. add 10 more ref
2. add 10,000 bytes in history
3. click a Finished drafting? Submit for review!
4. done

112.208.249.82 (talk) 04:01, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Instead of asking for assistance here, you might be more successful by asking on the talk page(s) of the draft's WikiProject(s). Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:46, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty put Cite journal here https://severeweather.wmo.int/tcc/39th_session/document/creport/Review_of_the_2006_Typhoon_Season(China).doc to make a citation in Visual 112.206.201.247 (talk) 07:02, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Your draft is very, very poor English. It will not be accepted. Compare how information about this storm is conveyed in complete sentences as a section at 2006 Pacific typhoon season versus everything you have written. Also, please consider if an effort to create an article about a storm that occurred 17 years ago is a good use of your time. David notMD (talk) 11:33, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

I added the link you provided in a new External links section using {{cite conference}}. Feel free to move it to the appropriate place within the draft. I tried correcting your English, but there are many sentences I don't understand. GoingBatty (talk) 13:04, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty add a category 112.206.201.247 (talk) 14:16, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

There are already five categories listed on the draft. I added the {{Draft categories}} template to make them more visible. GoingBatty (talk) 15:00, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty add 15 ref and 12,000 worlds ok 119.94.39.236 (talk) 01:40, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

I won't be adding references or worlds (or words). GoingBatty (talk) 13:29, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty ok to add worlds 122.52.26.175 (talk) 01:58, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

The draft has not been resubmitted for review, so it's not currently being considered. I agree that the level of English prose is poor, and the draft won't be accepted unless a volunteer editor does some extensive copyediting and rewording. Some sections like "Aug 7's in the 2006 before 100 km/h (60 mph) Bopha's 2006 Pacific typhoon season and removed on Aug 8. but Luzon. by Bopha and Aug 10 Floods more homes are removed. in Aug and 3 typhoon's as images the storm end Aug 10." are pretty much indecipherable. You might have more success contributing articles in your native language, which, I'm guessing, is not English. Hope this helps. David10244 (talk) 08:36, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

I histmerged the two drafts and left a link on the talk page to the last best of the other draft. That may help with some of the indecipherable English. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:32, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

"Indian" vs. "Native American" vs. "Indigenous", etc.

Hi there!

In recent times, there has been a lot of discourse about how to refer to people who were or come from a lineage of the first inhabitants of the Americas. The use of "Indian" has been waning in favor of "Native American" or "Indigenous people/person," so I'm wondering if Wikipedia has set any ground rules on this. For example, I recently came across an article that almost exclusively uses "Indian," and I'm not sure whether I should be editing those instances.

Any guidance is much appreciated.

Thanks!

Daniel Nardster (talk) 02:04, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Nardster. When writing about the Indigenous peoples of what is now the United States, the coverage in Native Americans in the United States#Terminology differences may be useful. In Canada, such peoples are commonly called First Nations, but Inuit people in Alaska, Canada and Greenland are usually classified differently. Other terminology is used in Spanish and Portuguese speaking areas of the Americas. The bottom line is that you need to read the sources specific to the topic, and use the terminology used by the sources. Sometimes this will mean introducing and explaining several terms, in context. Cullen328 (talk) 02:40, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

math

I don't know how to do long division Angie8238 (talk) 02:32, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and the Teahouse is primarily concerned with assisting new editors who have questions about the encyclopedia itself, specifically editing it. We have an article on Long Division and you can always use a search engine to find tutorials. Please do not continue to use the TeaHouse or other pages of Wikipedia to seek general information. Slywriter (talk) 02:43, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@Angie8238: I think Slywriter meant to link to the long division article. GoingBatty (talk) 02:44, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. That's what I get for not clicking the link Slywriter (talk) 02:45, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Recent changes

I am looking to patrol recent changes, and I am not finding it to update for me. Could it just be my internet connection? I have the following filter saved: Very likely have problems, very likely bad faith, Unregistered, Newcomers, Human (not bot), Page edits, Page creations, Logged actions, and New users.

Could any of those be triggering some kind of non-responsive feed? I find it hard to believe that there simply is no vandalism at all happening on Wikipedia. TriskySeskel (talk) 02:31, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi, I never see any results if I select "very likely". I assume these get mopped up by ClueBot or edit filters. "Likely bad faith" and "Likely have problems" are giving me results at the moment (and always do). Tacyarg (talk) 03:27, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

I actually have already made that switch and it seems like you are correct. TriskySeskel (talk) 03:29, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

I just signed up as a Wikipedia writer

I just signed up as a Wikipedia writer, and I noticed that the page for Debonair Magazine includes a name, Ratnakar Mavilach, that does not have an existing page. Would it be appropriate for me to create a page for Ratnakar Mavilach, and if so, what are the guidelines I should follow to ensure that the page meets Wikipedia's notability criteria? Wikimanvir (talk) 06:20, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@Wikimanvir welcome to Wikipedia! Based on [12], it seems that the sources demanded by WP:N isn't there. Of course google doesn't know all, but if you're goal is to make an article that can "stick", you need to find those sources first.

Take a look at WP:BACKWARD, it has good guidance. And you need to know how to add references correctly, this is essential, WP:TUTORIAL can help with that. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:37, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Submitting of draft

please how can I make my draft to become an article or how can I submit my draft to be accepted among articles when I am worry.DusFisher (talk) 04:17, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

DusFisher, perhaps you're asking about Draft:Yue Song. This has various problems, but the most important one is lack of evidence of notability. The draft currently has three sources. Two of them have no text (and the draft gives one of these two a wrong title). The third is IMDb, which is unusable for most purposes. So the draft currently has no substantive, reliable sources. It needs to show (and of course to use) three. Where are these three? If you don't cite them (perhaps because they don't exist), then no article can be created. -- Hoary (talk) 05:02, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

so now how can I fix the problems to be accepted and what are the problems that I need to correct.DusFisher (talk) 05:33, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

You can:

• read the essay at Wikipedia:Writing Wikipedia articles backward (which is what you have tried to do);
• blank all of your current Draft's text (it will still be available through the Draft's 'View history' tab if you need to refer to it or re-use any of it;
• find three or more published, independent, Reliable sources that discuss your subject at some length;
• Write new text based solely on what is in those sources, and cite them. This will create an acceptable "core" for the article, which you can expand on.

If you cannot find three such sources, then there is almost no hope of demonstrating the subject's Notability and the Draft will not be accepted as an Article: perhaps in the future more will be published about the subject (see WP:Too soon), and you (or others) can try again. Good luck! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.101.197 (talk) 08:58, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

On the fence for CSD/PROD/AfD

Hi, Can someone take a look at SupplyHouse.com please? As the title says I'm unsure where to send this article. It looks to struggle with the independent coverage required to pass wp:org but may also be a potential A7 target as I can't see a claim to notability.

I would appreciate the opinion of another editor. Feel free to action your opinion.

Thanks Carver1889 (talk) 19:08, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

@Carver1889: I would say A7 is correct since it says "This applies to any article...that does not indicate why its subject is important or significant". They just seem to be your average HVAC retailer. If an admin thinks A7 is not appropriate then PROD might be your next best bet, and if someone removes that then if you still believe it's not notable take it to AFD. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:31, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Carver1889, WP:A7 doesn't ask for a claim to notability, it just requires a claim to significance or importance. If that article makes that, it's not eligible. I'd say that the material at SupplyHouse.com#Leadership constitutes a (weak) claim to significance. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:35, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, between what you wrote and the declining admin I think I now have an improved understanding of A7. Carver1889 (talk) 10:08, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Article Publishing

I just submitted the Article for review, can anyone provide me the suggestion regarding this. Here is the link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Muzamil_Mahmood_Dar KashmirValleyEditor (talk) 10:59, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@KashmirValleyEditor welcome to Teahouse! A draft reviewer will give you comprehensive feedback when they get around to it. We are all WP:volunteers. I would encourage you to expand your citations and read Help:Referencing for beginners. Happy editing!

 Courtesy link: Draft:Muzamil Mahmood Dar is the correct link. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 11:06, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedians, help?

Hello wikipedians, I uploaded the Wordpad icon file on Commons (as I've seen many Windows built-in program icons gets uploaded to Commons) and it's being said that it meets the criteria for speedy deletion. Is that the case for this icon?, as many windows built-in program icons didn't get flagged. Click here for the icon. Paowee (talk) 10:48, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@Paowee welcome to Teahouse. See WP:OTHERSTUFF for why that is not a good argument in general. Also note that Wikimedia Commons is a separate project. I am inclined to agree that the logo is not "simple", but perhaps it is a candidate for WP:NFCC fair use on English Wikipedia as a logo for an article. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 11:11, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh, alright. Now I get it. Thanks! Edit: I have now reuploaded it to comply with NFCC (Eng. Wikipedia only), so if it indeed violates it, it can be removed, no harm done. (I'm still not sure if it violates it or not though.) Paowee (talk) 11:12, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@Paowee In my opinion, you have complied with the WP:NONFREE criteria for the upload to en;Wikipedia and use in the article WordPad. Note, however, that the icon cannot be used on any other articles here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:49, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Right. I'm only planning to use it in the Wordpad article. Have no plans of using it on different articles. Paowee (talk) 12:13, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

What to do about a disruptive young editor?

This one is beyond my pay grade. Could someone look at user:Ericnex13 please? I didn't realise he is only 13 until looking at his home page – after I've given him heavy-weight warnings for disruptive editing. And make no mistake, this is not silly tagging but fairly well crafted fiction. Presumably you have a canned "advice for minor editors" that you can deploy? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 22:47, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

I think a block is in order. WP:CIR might be useful to point to. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 23:27, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

The edits do not appear to be vandalism. Advice on the E's Talk page may be more useful that warnings. I already advised a need for more detail in Edit summaries. David notMD (talk) 12:25, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Need help with changing draft name or sandbox name

Hi, I just made my first wiki article but it has the incorrect page name, can anyone help rename it to Frank Velez III?

here is the link to the current page User:Lamano2023/sandbox Lamano2023 (talk) 00:59, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Lamano2023 and Welcome to the Teahouse. I have moved your page to a draft where you can keep working on it or submit it for review. Happy editing! - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 01:20, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Lamano2023. I have looked at your draft, and I am not sure if the subject qualifies for an article. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 01:22, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Lamano2023. An acceptable Wikipedia article summarizes the significant coverage that reliable, independent sources devote to the topic, which are presented as references. Your draft completely lacks references to such sources, and therefore cannot be accepted without major revisions. Please familiarize yourself with the Notability guideline for polticians. What is your relationship with Velez? Cullen328 (talk) 02:19, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Election to a town ward or board of education is not sufficiently notable to warrant an article. Rather than trying to improve the draft, I recommend putting Db-author inside of double curly brackets {{ }} at the top, so that an Administrator can delete the draft. David notMD (talk) 12:29, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Can i add a photo?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meerkat?action=edit

This site is semi protected but I'd like to add a photo of a Meercat at Auckland zoo, the Meercat is in the photo is in lookout mode. Would it be possible to add the photo? I'm happy to show the photo but I can't seem to add it here in the tea house. Bijou1995 (talk) 13:29, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

@Bijou1995: If this is a photo you personally took, you can use the Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard (after ensuring you understand copyright and the image use policy). Then you can discuss the photo at Talk:Meerkat with other interested editors to discuss where (or if) it would be an appropriate addition to the article. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 13:37, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

thank you Bijou1995 (talk) 13:17, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

In addition to what Batty said, make sure the photo provides something unique to the article. It looks like there are already one or two images of meerkats in lookout mode on the article. If you add another, it will likely be removed. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:40, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

thank you, i was going to add it to the gallery Bijou1995 (talk) 13:18, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Bijou. In addition to what GoingBatty said, Commons already has over 200 pictures of meerkats in zoos. Is there value in uploading another? See c:Category:Suricata_suricatta_in_zoos? ColinFine (talk) 13:40, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

i see your point thank you Bijou1995 (talk) 13:18, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

I started a new article called Chu Tat-Shing. There was no way to save it. I moved away from the page and now it is gone? Can I recover my work or do I start over again?

I started a new article called Chu Tat-Shing. There was no way to save it. I moved away from the page and now it is gone? Can I recover my work or do I start over again? LaoHu777 (talk) 14:21, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

LaoHu777, your draft is at Draft:Chu Tat-Shing.   Maproom (talk) 14:43, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Can someone please help me amend company name 'Kx Systems' to 'KX'?

Hi I'm an employee of KX and need a contributor with a 'Move' right to be able to amend the name on our Wikipedia company page from 'Kx Systems' to 'KX'.

Thanks,

Shap KXShap (talk) 14:13, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @KXShap, welcome to the Teahouse. After you have properly disclosed your paid status per WP:PAID, you are free to make an {{edit request}} on the talk page or use WP:Requested moves. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:12, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Creating a subcategory

Hi all, I recently created the category Assault rifles of Israel, but am not able to see how I can add it as a subcategory to the pre-existing Rifles of Israel category. Could someone tell me what I'm meant to do here? Cheers. Loafiewa (talk) 16:04, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Tag it as being in the category, just as you would an article. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:06, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

I am writing a book. I want to use a chapter from Wikipedia, and I will reference it. OK

I am writing a book about the Merrimack River in N.H. and Mass. I want to use Wikipedia as a source. In short, I want to use its chapter on "Tributaries" of the Merrimack.

Can I use it word for word? I can't find the author of every sentence.

Again, I will reference it. Thank you. Dyke Hendrickson (talk) 15:40, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Articles rarely have specific authors; articles are worked on by the community. Instead of using Wikipedia itself as a source, it would be better to use the sources of the information displayed in the Wikipedia article.

That said, you can reuse content from Wikipedia as long as you provide attribution. 331dot (talk) 15:50, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@Dyke Hendrickson, see Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content and Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:52, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@Dyke Hendrickson: Yes, you can. The only condition is to cite both the fact it comes from Wikipedia, and the license it is available under. You could for instance have a notice at the end of the book that chapter 7 uses material from the Wikipedia article XXX, which is released under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share-Alike License 3.0. If it is an online book, you are supposed to link the Wikipedia article.

Whether you should is of course up to you and your editor - you would do well to verify that any substantive claims taken from the Wikipedia article are correct before reprinting them uncritically. Ideally, that claim would give a specific source that you could check, but many Wikipedia articles fall short of that ideal. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 16:14, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

wiki commons

Hello, I have added some of my own photos in wiki commons, can i still use them to add to a relevant page and if so how do i find them. The article I am referirng to has a gallery and when i go to edit that I cannot find my photos. Thank you in advance Bijou1995 (talk) 15:05, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@Bijou1995, the photos you uploaded on Commons are here:[13]. You can add photos per WP:BOLD, if other editors disagree they might revert you. Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Images may be of help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:28, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your help Bijou1995 (talk) 16:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

"Not to be confused with"

I recall seeing the above on articles, but I think the above should be added on Babu Ganesh and Ganesh Babu as they are both Indian Actors, can someone update them both? Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 18:17, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

 Done. The template is {{distinguish}}. ColinFine (talk) 18:27, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Notability

Is the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography a Notable source in its own right? Mormoironier (talk) 20:10, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Mormoironier, welcome to the Teahouse. At a brief glance, the notability of the Dictionary of National Biography seems to be adequately demonstrated by the sources in the article. The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography doesn't seem to have enough coverage to warrant its own separate article from that one. If you're asking whether it's a reliable source, yes, but as a reference work it is tertiary - secondary sources are preferred. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:18, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Organizations

I thought I read somewhere that you're not supposed to create a page about an organization. But there are in fact many on wikipedia already and I find them very useful. So what are the criteria for an organization to be included? SquarePeg89 (talk) 19:20, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, SquarePeg89. Please read Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). Cullen328 (talk) 19:26, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

SquarePeg89, you might have also read that if someone is involved with an organization, then we advise them not to write about the organization. This is considered to be a conflict of interest. Involved editors have a much harder time judging their organization's notability, writing from the required neutral point of view, and not using unpublished personal knowledge or firsthand information from the organization itself. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 22:00, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! SquarePeg89 (talk) 22:10, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Railroad Template

Hi, Im currently working on an article in my sandbox. Where can I find the template for a railroad? I'm referring to template that would give a map and some details similar to this related article.
Thank you, WP-POLICYIDIDNTKNOW (talk) 23:02, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@WP-POLICYIDIDNTKNOW Welcome to HelpDesk! If you view the source/edit-mode you'll see {{Infobox rail}} which may be what you are looking for. Happy tinkering! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 23:15, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Arfat Mia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse/Suggestions Arfatmia44 (talk) 00:03, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

hi @Arfatmia44 and welcome to the Teahouse! do you have any questions regarding Wikipedia or that page? 💜  melecie  talk - 00:37, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Aaron McKie

Can someone help me fix the infobox on Aaron McKie. The coaching and athletic director module is showing up separately than playing career. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 01:25, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Pennsylvania2:  Done! Template:Infobox basketball biography doesn't accept |module= but does have parameters for both players and coaches. Please check that I listed the admin position properly. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:07, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

URL Access Date Warnings

The sandbox at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Otyaken/sandbox is now nearly ready for publication. However, I get consistent invalid url access date warnings. I have looked at the Wikipedia templet at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Cite_web and tried 3 different ways of citing the date the urls were accessed, but warnings keep popping up. What is the problem? How can I resolve the issue?

- TNewfields (talk) 01:23, 30 March 2023 (UTC)TNewfields

@TNewfields: Clicking the "help" link next to the errors takes you to an explanation that |url-access= can only take values of "subscription, registration, limited". I think you're looking for |access-date= instead.  Fixed. GoingBatty (talk) 02:10, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Early life vs. career

I am not sure when, in a biographical article, to move from early life to career, given that the individual I am writing about (the singer Emei) started performing in a professional context as young as 15. Would these pre-adulthood professional endeavors be considered career or early life? I apologize if this question is to specific for here.

Cheers,

MagentaCat1 (talk) 01:05, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I would recommend that you should make a new section, Early Career, or Career beginnings. Look at Taylor Swift for an example. Emeen (talk) 01:40, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

That's a great idea, thank you! I will probably make use of that combined early/career style section as seen in the Taylor Swift article.

Cheers,

MagentaCat1 (talk) 02:55, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Found a sockpuppet

User:Vandman52 has put on his page that he is a sockpuppet. Don't know where to really report this but this was the Teahouse was the first place I thought of. Can I get an admin to look at this? Pyraminxsolver (talk) 03:03, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Pyraminxsolver. An administrator has already blocked this sockpuppet. Cullen328 (talk) 03:07, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Checking on progress of an update

I have submitted a Wikipedia page for publication. It is available on Wikipedia as a draft. I understand that it is being evaluated for publication but I have no notion of the progress that is being made. What steps can I take to find out how the evaluation is going? Bchanda (talk) 18:19, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Bchanda, welcome to the Teahouse. You have indeed created a draft, but it has not been submitted for review. More importantly, we already have Ramaprasad Chanda. If you want to add additional sourced content to that article, you are free to do so - creating and submitting a separate draft is not necessary. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:33, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Bchanda, and welcome to the Teahouse. Assuming you mean Draft:Rai Bahadur Ramaprasad Chanda, you have not submitted it for review. I have added a header that will allow you to do so, but if you submit it in its present form, I have no doubt that it will be quickly declined.

You need to get it into standard format, with headers, and (most particularly) inline references - see Referencing for beginners.

Once you do submit it, note that there is no process or progress. It will sit in the pile for review until a volunteer reviewer chooses to pick it up and review it. In my opinion, great blocks of text without visible heading will make reviewers less keen to look at it. ColinFine (talk) 18:33, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@ColinFine The article already exists, see above. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:50, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Bchanda Consider adding to Ramaprasad Chanda, which is currently a short and under-referenced article, but PLEASE FIRST learn more about Wikipedia writing style (Wikipedia:Manual of Style) and how to reference (Help:Referencing for beginners). As written, none of the content of your very lengthy draft would be acceptable. Much of it fails neutral point of view (WP:NPOV). David notMD (talk) 06:12, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Primary and secondary sources?

Is there an illustrative list of notable primary and secondary sources? Mormoironier (talk) 20:40, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi again @Mormoironier. I believe you're looking for reliable sources, not notable ones. Those are very different things. A useful list is at WP:RS/PS - each source there has been discussed and the conclusion about its reliability is indicated. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:44, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Though it's worth noting that the list at WP:RS/PS is by no means exhaustive – most of the sources which get used on Wikipedia are not on that list, and as you get experienced with Wikipedia you will need to learn how to evaluate for yourself whether or not a source is reliable; WP:RS (particularly the section on types of sources) provides guidance on evaluating this. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 11:01, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Help adding conflict of interest notification to my user page.

I built a page for Chu Tat-Shing and added a conflict of interest notice on my user page LaoHu777. Then the page was moved and the title updated to Chu Tat-shing, to conform with grammar standards for names like this. Now my conflict of interest notice does not link to the newly titled page and I want to add another conflict of interest notice that links to the new page. How do I do this? I made the first notice when I set up the page before it was moved. I don't know yet how to add one to a newly titled page. LaoHu777 (talk) 11:44, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

 Done! If this becomes an accepted article you can edit it to remove Draft: David notMD (talk) 12:05, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Why petrolling process takes more time for political pages?

I created a new political page couple of weeks ago. I have created many non-political pages before but non take as much time as the political page do. Can anyone explain why new political pages experience a huge delay in petrolling process? 117.203.14.218 (talk) 08:18, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It would help to know what articles(the preferred term, not "pages") you created; your IP has no edits logged other than this one. Patrolling is done by volunteers who do what they can when they can; I know of no systemic reason why articles in certain topic areas would take longer to be patrolled. Patrollers choose what they patrol, it could be that a particlar topic area might seem controversial and as such they are more reluctant to patrol it. Do you have a particular need for a speedy patrol? 331dot (talk) 08:43, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Well, does this political page you created have its petrol intake on the right side or the left? You might want to check that you've parked the page on the correct side of the petrol pumps. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:47, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

How do I edit the capitalization in a draft title line after I have started the draft page?

I made a page. It is in draft from. I need to edit the capitalization of the title name in the draft, but when I click "edit" I am allowed to edit all of the page except the title line. Do I have to start over with a new title and new capitalization, or can I somehow change the capitalization in my existing draft without having to start all over again? LaoHu777 (talk) 20:34, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. The name of a page is not part of the page, but tells the software where to find it, so you change it by moving the page. I wouldn't worry too much about the name of Draft:Chu Tat-Shing, because when a reviewer accepts the draft they will move it to article space, and correct the name if necessary. But you can move it if you wish. ColinFine (talk) 20:41, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@LaoHu777: I've moved the draft (without creating a redirect) to Draft:Chu Tat-shing, assuming that's what you wanted. If I've misinterpreted you, leave a note on my talk page. Deor (talk) 22:13, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

LaoHu777 to ColinFine - Good word to you for adjusting the title of my draft. This will save me much time. You did exactly what I needed. LaoHu777 (talk) 22:18, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the thans, LaoHu777, but it was actually Deor that moved it for you. ColinFine (talk) 13:50, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Issues with first & New Article

Hello Guys,. I have opened my account for 4 years but I just created my first article. it a DJ article which I created, But now I can see on my article saying "This article is being considered for deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy" and I don't know what to do. Please I need everyone help.

The article name is Harjex The DJ Harjex10 (talk) 01:21, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Harjex10: Welcome to the Teahouse! If you are Harjex the DJ, then you have a conflict of interest that you need to disclose on your user page. The article needs more independent sources that provide significant coverage of Harjex's career, per Wikipedia's notability requirements. YouTube, Spotify, Apple Music and other locations where Harjex's music is published are not independent. Interviews are also not independent. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 02:16, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Goingbatty, thanks for the comment. it my first time writing an article and the rules on the wiki page is complicated, I just can't understand. And also what do you mean by independent please. Do you mean like Blogs? or top media page. And Please help me, let me know what I can do better. Harjex10 (talk) 03:53, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Harjex the dj

@Harjex10, the short answer is that you did get that you need top media pages right, but that's not exactly the definition of independent sources.

• Reliable sources mean ones from top media pages/news organizations (think Reuters, Ars Technica, Rolling Stone etc). blogs or youtube are not counted, as well as any social media site including YouTube (unless it already comes from a news organization that by itself counts as one).
• Independent sources mean ones that are not affiliated by any way to the subject orher than covering the subject. that means no press conferences, interviews, sponsored articles, or the subject's very own website.

basically, to prove notability, you need sources that are both reliable and independent. (i.e. from top media pages and not controlled by the subject). happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 04:24, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Harjex, and welcome to the Teahouse. What you need to understand is that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 13:52, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Basics

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

Re-closing. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:56, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

(non-admin closure) Closing this down before since its moving quickly outside the scope of the Teahouse. Suggest that the OP ask about this at WP:VP if they want to pursue this further. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:50, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

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You wrote in 27.3.2023: "This is the teahouse, a place where basic questions are answered about Wikipedia." Now basic question: Around 2002-2010, unlike in the academic world, Wikipedia was mainly written without references and under pseudonyms. What were the main reasons for these blunders, which spread around the world and are still being corrected? 2001:2003:F647:5800:F040:57B4:1E4D:F2E (talk) 10:30, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. I don't think this is as basic a question as you seem to think it is. I can say that anonymity("pseudonyms") is important to the functioning of Wikipedia for people who choose to do it. They may fear government persecution, or shunning by families/colleagues if it was known they edited about a particular topic. I don't know much about Wikipedia from before 2010 but you seem to be basing this question on a statement of some kind. 331dot (talk) 10:38, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello. I suggest you read History of Wikipedia to get some idea of the background and early policies. Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:45, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I have already read this article before. It does not answer my basic questions. 2001:2003:F647:5800:F040:57B4:1E4D:F2E (talk) 11:11, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

For a long time, Wikipedia's dissemination of information was based on no sources. You tried to invalidate this basic fact by your ignorance. Shame on you! Anonymity is idiocy, it is not recognized or accepted in intellectual texts. Have you something against scientific world? Please, can I get here someone to answer who knows the basics of Wikipedia? 2001:2003:F647:5800:F040:57B4:1E4D:F2E (talk) 10:54, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I don't believe "Wikipedia's dissemination of information was based on no sources" is an accurate statement, but as I said, I'm not an expert on early Wikipedia history. Interesting that you are criticizing anonymity while editing via IP address. Wikipedia is not an "intellectual text" or scholarly work, it is (mostly) written by lay people for lay people, summarizing what independent reliable sources say about a topic. It shouldn't be used for scholarly or academic purposes. I am starting to think that you have an ax to grind here and unless you care to share the basis of your questions I really have no more to say. I again say that this is probably not as basic a question as you claim and you may be better off discussing this in the Village Pump. 331dot (talk) 11:00, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Don't threaten me with an axe when I ask for Wikipedia's basics for 2002-2010, which I have also spent dozens of hours correcting this year. Should I reveal my name to those who threaten me with an axe? Shame! Wikipedia quotes a lot from academic sources, but quotes were despised for a long time in the beginning. Don't answer if you don't know, axe-wielder. May I have a responder with a more civilised manners? 2001:2003:F647:5800:F040:57B4:1E4D:F2E (talk) 11:21, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I did not "threaten you with an axe", I said that you have an axe to grind(please google that expression if you are unfamiliar with it). 331dot (talk) 11:23, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

You don't have to reveal your name if you don't wish to- but then you shouldn't criticize the very anonymity that you are hiding behind. I'm also not sure what you mean when you say you corrected edits from 2010- most articles have been edited since then. I want to help you, but you must help us to help you. 331dot (talk) 11:26, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I don't need help from a person who can't understand English and hidden meaning of axe! Next person please, a person with knowledge and without threats, someone who respects history and truth. ~Ê~~ 2001:2003:F647:5800:F040:57B4:1E4D:F2E (talk) 11:39, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

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Pseudonyms: A conscious decision was to allow all editors to edit either unregistered (as you are doing here), under their own name (although Wikipedia had and has no means of confirming true names), and as a User name. The great majority choose the last. Given that with certain 'locked' exceptions, any editor can edit any article, insisting on true names would convey a false sense of ownership of articles to editors who either created or extensively added to articles. A second reason is to prevent harassment of editors, here and in the real world. Wikipedia is against 'outing' (see Wikipedia:Outing (essay)). Requiring editors to use their true names is contrary to the protection of anonimity. The use of User names ("pseudonyms") is broadly accepted at forums and blogs and social media. David notMD (talk) 11:59, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I was adding the above between the time that this was an open Teahouse discussion and it being closed. David notMD (talk) 12:00, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@David notMD: thank you. You had a better answer in subject Basics: "insisting on true names would convey a false sense of ownership of articles to editors who either created or extensively added to articles." This is not entirely true, because almost everyone knows that they don't own articles. People don't demand ownership, but respect. This is the way in the academic world. And that's why real names are used in high-level texts with gentlemen and ladies. I don't want to imitate social media where people many times attack behind a pseudonym. I usually use my real name. But this time I used ip to learn how Wikipedia respects ip-users.

But this was not the main question. I wonder why Wikipedia articles were written a long time without references. It is easy to understand why Wikipedia abandoned this practice. 2001:2003:F647:5800:F040:57B4:1E4D:F2E (talk) 13:31, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Jimmy Wales and Larry Sanger saw that Nupedia was failing, and wanted to test whether a system where anyone could edit without approval would work better. lettherebedarklight晚安 13:43, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

The above discussion was closed. Continuing it in a new post is not helpful. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:53, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

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Norms1107 accout blocked

I have been having problems with my account being blocked. A student at our Career Technology Center (High School) has taken on this project. I do not know her. She was working on the account trying to answer some of the notability questions when all this happened. I created the above account for her to use and apparently that was not a good idea. I then suggested that she create her own account, which she did. My knowledge of Wikipedia is somewhere near zero and apparently she ran into some problems as well, but is better equipped to deal with them until the accounts were blocked. I would gladly delete my account if I knew how. Any help at all would be greatly appreciated. I am sure she is getting frustrated. 2600:1700:A620:E08F:64B8:24E7:22CB:AB33 (talk) 12:52, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

If your account is blocked, you must log in to your account and request unblock. By posting here you are evading your block. It is not possible to delete an account, but you may abandon your account. 331dot (talk) 12:55, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I've been giving the OP some advice on their talk page; not sure why they have brought it here. Girth Summit _(blether) 13:12, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

User:Norms1107 created an unreferenced article about himself (Norm Schrein) that was Speedy Deleted, then went on to create the article again. It was cleaned up by others and moved to Draft:Norm Schrein. There, account User:Sydni62095 restored Norm's version, word-for-word (still unreferenced). Whether either the mysterious high school student or Norm using a second account, both now Indefinitely blocked. My advice: A cursory search found no evidence that Norm meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Abandon working on the draft (meh, you are blocked, anyway); in six months it will be deleted as an inactive draft. Don't bother appealing the blocks on the two accounts, as it appears that your only motivation to being a Wikipedia editor was to create an article about yourself. David notMD (talk) 14:27, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Is Daily Hive a reliable source?

Hi, I'm asking this question because on the Wikipedia article for Bagel Bites, there's a part about them being pulled from Canadian shelves in 2022, but it says "citation needed". So I just searched up "bagel bites canada 2022" and found this Daily Hive article. Would this be a reliable enough source to cite on that Wikipedia article? IdfbAn (talk) 13:54, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

this is probably not the right place to ask this lol IdfbAn (talk) 13:57, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I would reccomend you ask this on the Reference Desk. Emeen (talk) 15:06, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Emeen, the Reference Desks do not deal with reliability of sources. We have a noticeboard for that, @IdfbAn, WP:RSN. According to part of this discussion, which I found in the archives, the Daily Hive is not very reliable. You can start a new discussion there if you wish more opinions. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:11, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I apologize for any inconvenience. Emeen (talk) 15:14, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

how to get badges and hounars and edit protected pages

pls Crazy dave32 (talk) 02:17, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

How about starting by not vandalising articles? [14] AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:36, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Now indef blocked. David notMD (talk) 17:16, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Gnupedia

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

No need for further responses here as this discussion has already been closed, above. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:19, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

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@Lettherebedarklight:. Yes. this is interesting: to test something new. In the article History of Wikipedia we find that Gnupedia had the same goals: "GNUpedia were nearly identical to Wikipedia: anyone can contribute, small contributions are welcome, plan on taking years, a narrow focus on encyclopedic content as the primary goal, anyone can read articles, anyone can mirror articles" and "Assuming attribution for articles (rather than anonymous by default), requiring attribution for quotations". The main idea was to allow people to write about sensitive things like Tiananmen Square without fear, but only a few articles are so sensitive. And you can then use IP address. But there is no mention of a lack of references.

Perhaps some people like to destroy history like in Tiananmen 1989, so one person deleted earlier part of this important discussion from Wikipedia. Lettherehebedarklight, here is an example what I mean about references: France#References 2001:2003:F647:5800:F040:57B4:1E4D:F2E (talk) 14:27, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

IP editor, this remains off-topic for the Teahouse. Please take any further discussion to the talk page of individual editors you want to converse with. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:28, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

If you have questions about the history of Wikipedia and can't find the answer in WP-articles, you can try Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:50, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

IP editor, you seem to believe that anonymous or pseudonymous contributions must necessarily be of a lower quality. You might want to consider the ongoing mathematical work of Nicolas Bourbaki to moderate your opinion. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 15:30, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Although I agree this is too general to be a Teahouse topic, I will comment on France as your references example. The article was created in 2001. It first started having Notes and references in 2006. It reached >100 references in July 2010. It is currently at 482 refs. Clearly, in early years, references were not a requirement, and many articles dating that far back have been changed over time to comply with current standards. Ditto for what are now the requirements for reliable source references. David notMD (talk) 15:38, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

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adding a note

I'm trying to add one of those notes that look like citations, but say "a" instead of a number. I am writing a page on the Islamic Armed Movement and there are 4 different dates for the same event from different sources so i'll just write night of August 26-27 as that is the most likely date. The sentence is the 9 lines down in the 3rd paragraph. Thanks PalauanReich (talk) 17:35, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@PalauanReich See IBM worker organization for an example. In the Note section I added {{Reflist|group=note}} and for the citation

{{Refn|Example text|group=note}}

. Hope that helps! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:41, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@PalauanReich I read further in Wikipedia:Nesting footnotes to specifically use letters instead of notes, you can also use {{reflist|group=lower-alpha}}. Hope that helps! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:48, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

While I have donated

While I have donated to Wiki in the past, I have never contributed material. I would now like to add a reference to Wiki for my recently deceased father. How do I get started?

see above. 99.249.209.244 (talk) 17:43, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I assume you refer to creating an article about your father. I am sorry for your loss. This depends on if your father meets the definition of a notable person and if he receives significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Please see Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 17:49, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello IP, sorry for your loss. Whether you make donations or not is irrelevant to our content editorial policies. Please read WP:COI because you have a conflict of interest. If you have secondary/verifiable information, you can make a {{Request edit}} on the respective talk page. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 17:50, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

english translation

hey guys, i did an English translation of a Dutch poet, Mia Gerhardt, as part of the effort to end the gender gap. However, I haven't made enough changes to translate pages...? So.. what happens to the page I translated? Sees a bit silly to leave it as a draft... Is there a way someone can look at it and say: okay, that's fine, publish? Espanaporfavor (talk) 15:38, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: User:Espanaporfavor/Mia Gerhardt ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 15:43, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Since you are autoconfirmed, you could publish it yourself by simply moving the page to Mia Gerhardt. However, right now that draft does not cite any sources. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 15:45, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Espanaporfavor You now find yourself in the position of writing the article backwards. See that link for why that's a bad position to be in and the reason you should have probably chosen a different starting article in Dutch. For English Wikipedia, full sourcing is required. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:58, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi,

thanks.

I have no idea what you just said.

This is not my first article.

What do you mean no sources, it cites the sources from the original article, right? Espanaporfavor (talk) 16:58, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Mia Gerhardt has no references and should be draftified. David notMD (talk) 17:03, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

The article on the Dutch Wikipedia (nl:Mia Gerhardt) also does not cite any sources. – dudhhr ^talk _contribs (he/they) 17:06, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Yolande of Dampierre, the other article you created in English Wikipedia, is not properly referenced. See Help:Referencing for beginners on how to create proper inline references. Personally, I found creating refs in my own Sandbox and only copying into an article once properly formatted as a good practice. David notMD (talk) 17:09, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

i added citations! Espanaporfavor (talk) 17:51, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Espanaporfavor You have now moved the article into Mainspace at Mia Gerhardt. I can see that you have one external link that you presumably used as a source. However, you need to convert it into an inline citation. See WP:REFB for how to do this. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:13, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

yes, i a working on it! Espanaporfavor (talk) 17:19, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I just added an infobox PalauanReich (talk) 17:24, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Non-English publications should have English translations in ( ). David notMD (talk) 17:38, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Speedy delete criterion

Is there a speedy delete criterion that can be cited for when an editor creates an article that was previously deleted only a few days prior based on an AfD? The AfD I am looking at is here: [15] and the article created today at Ponniyin Selvan: II appears to be a cut-and-paste copy from Draft:Ponniyin Selvan: II. Note that the draft was declined at AfC and this is the second time, at least, that editors have gone around the process to create a cut-and-paste copy.  — Archer1234 (t·c) 18:11, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I believe you are looking for WP:CSD#G4, and from that link you can see all of the criteria. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:36, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I am not sure how I missed it. The film is due to be released near the end of April, so I suspect between now and then we are going to have to deal with editors recreating the article. Would it make sense to salt the article to channel all that motivation towards improving the draft?  — Archer1234 (t·c) 18:51, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Indeed. Good call. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:05, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

How to add External Links section to draft page?

UtherSRG recommened I move some links on a draft to an External Links section. But I don't see any option for such a section in the draft editor. How do I add such a section so I can move links to it? LaoHu777 (talk) 18:35, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@LaoHu777: You can create a new section by starting a line with two equal signs, then the name of the section, then two more equal signs, like this: == External links == - UtherSRG (talk) 18:42, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@LaoHu777: For VisualEditor, see Help:VisualEditor#Getting started: the VisualEditor toolbar. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:49, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

footnotes

I got this message declining my submission:

Draft:Jerrold Franklin

"Submission declined on 24 March 2023 by Dan arndt (talk). The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes."

I don't know of any needed footnotes for my submission. Can someone look at my draft and tel me about one or two more citations I need, so I can learn how to identify them? Thank you. Alfa137 (talk) 17:24, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Alfa137:. Lets look at the first part of your draft article: "Jerrold Franklin graduated in 1948 from Stuyvesant High School, where he was awarded the algebra award. He then graduated with a B.E.E degree in 1952 from Cooper Union, where he was awarded the calculus medal and received honorable mention in the 1952 William Lowell Putnam Mathematical Competition." Where did you get that information from? Was if from a website? What website? Was it from a book? What book was it from? What page in that book can I find it? See, everything in Wikipedia needs to be verifiable, which means that someone else can follow up and find the source of the information; where it comes from. Everything written in Wikipedia should have been written about first in reliable sources, and we cite our sources for every bit of information. The most convenient way for readers to connect all of your information to the specific source it comes from is through footnotes; see Help:Footnotes for how to add those to your article. Help:Referencing for beginners is also a really good guide. --Jayron32 17:29, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

You need inline citations, see WP:IC. Also it would be helpful to read WP:REFB PalauanReich (talk) 17:30, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Alfa137. Please also read Wikipedia:Notability (academics). Cullen328 (talk) 17:37, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

His journal publications are not references. Those can be moved to the article in a section titled Selected publications. What is a requirement for references are publications that are ABOUT Franklin, not BY Franklin. Per Cullen328, Wikipedia:Notability (academics) is essential reading. David notMD (talk) 17:45, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Alfa137: there are also several responses to your question from last week at the Articles of Creation help desk. --bonadea contributions talk 20:12, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Issue with saving

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T333612

Hello everyone. I have an issue with saving my edits. I proceed as usual, but after pressing "publish changes" nothing is happening. The window just stays where it is, it gives me the progress bar and that's it. I can't abandon neither. I did not change any settings and I did restart my computer. I also tried to use another computer but there I've got the same issue. Have I been blocked from editing? However, I havn't received any message letting me know about it. Any ideas? Thanks! Zamekrizeni (talk) 20:56, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Zamekrizeni, welcome to the Teahouse. That sounds very like the issue which was reported here, over at VPT. Are you using the Visual Editor? Does switching to source editor allow you to make the edit? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:59, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Yes indeed, it seems to be the same issue. I used the source editor and was able to save there. Zamekrizeni (talk) 21:06, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Editing Wikipedia on mobile

Hi, I understand that you can edit Wikipedia either on a mobile browser or the Wikipedia app. I would like to know your opinion on what’s better to use when editing on mobile and the differences between the two. Interstellarity (talk) 13:57, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Cullen328:, who I believe is the resident expert on mobile editing. Deor (talk) 14:12, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

In case they do not answer, they have already written at length on the subject at User:Cullen328/Smartphone_editing. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 15:20, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @Interstellarity:! I'm a new editor, but for what it's worth, I much prefer mobile view editing over the iOS app, but they have specific strengths and weaknesses. Quick citations, for example, are much easier with the Visual Editor citation tool, but last time I checked, the app just created empty ref tags that would then require parameters to be filled in manually. This is just one example inconsistency between mobile view vs. app. I jotted down some quick notes in my sandbox here, which may be somewhat out of date. (Talk pages for mobile view has been greatly improved recently for example.) You may be interested in seeking out @Clovermoss:, who recently wrote a Signpost article on the app front. I believe they are working with the development team on the app, whereas I'm honestly not sure what work (if any) is being done for mobile view editing. Don't know if I can be of much further help, given my lack of experience and the rather limited range of my edits (I'm almost entirely a copyeditor, on purpose.) Ultimately, I'm a mobile view editor for reasons that are probably pretty "esoteric" and may not translate well to other editors. Cheers. — LumonRedacts 14:52, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Interstellarity. My personal preference as described in my essay is to use the fully functional desktop site on my phone. But anyone who prefers the mobile site or the mobile app is welcome to do so. Cullen328 (talk) 15:39, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I, like Cullen328, will also use the desktop site while editing on my phone. Both the app and the mobile browser site, IMHO, are hobbled versions of the desktop site, which is far more functional. I feel like the mobile site and the app are 1) optimized for readers over editors and 2) designed for an earlier generation of smartphones, before their functionality matched that of full desktop/laptop computers. I'm sure everyone has their own preferences, and mine are partially influenced by being a bit of an old-timer around here (been an active editor since 2005, had an account since 2006, and an admin since 2008) so some of it is being "set in my ways", but even when using my phone, I find I am still most comfortable editing the same way I do on a full sized computer. --Jayron32 17:37, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping, LumonRedacts! Interstellarity, I've gotten used to the app over time. I think it can be useful to get notifications about Wikipedia on the go (or in the certain situations stressful) and reading my watchlist to keep up with other changes is nice. Mobile view has way more features compared to the actual app and there's many differences that I can discuss if you're interested. If you do plan on trying the app, a key difference is whether you're using iOS or android. I use the latter and while it lacks some functionality, iOS lacks even more. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 18:58, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I’m on iOS and I’m sure a lot of editors prefer the desktop site over the mobile site or app. I would’ve expected the app to provide more features than the mobile site, but it doesn’t unlike other apps. I think as a reader I prefer the mobile site or app, but while editing the desktop site works best. Interstellarity (talk) 21:52, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

How to find vandalism quickly

I'm trying to find vandalism quickly, and recent changes isn't really helping, is there another way? Vamsi20 (talk) 21:52, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Vamsi20 I think there is a vandalism bot that helps moderate vandalism. Wolfquack (talk) 22:02, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

what's the name of it? Vamsi20 (talk) 22:03, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

:::@Vamsi20 I don’t actually know unfortunately, but I know it’s kind of like cluebot. Sorry ):, maybe a more experienced editor can help with this. Wolfquack (talk) 22:07, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Vamsi20 Actually it is User:ClueBot NG. The bot helps revert edits. Wolfquack (talk) 22:08, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

(As in vandals of course) Wolfquack (talk) 22:09, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

ClueBot NG is an anti-vandalism bot that tries to detect and revert vandalism quickly and automatically. Wolfquack (talk) 22:11, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Trying to find vandalism quickly is not always a useful pursuit. All vandalism goes through recent changes, so you may need to fine tune what you're looking at. You may want to install WP:POPUPS to speed up what you're doing. New users are a frequent source; check out any blue links at Special:Log/newusers. You can also try Special:AbuseLog. There's a few extra tools listed at Wikipedia:Cleaning_up_vandalism/Tools. I'm not vouching for any of them as I don't use them. But just follow some vandals around for a while and you'll probably find more vandalism. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 22:18, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Making a page for a luxury jewelry brand

Hello, i want to create a Wikipedia page for my luxury jewelry brand. I am the founder and want to share with the world the history of the brand because what we managed to express with Cavero is so remarkable and has never been done. I want people to know the story behind everything and explain the deep meaning of all. How can i do that? Will i get rejected? Do i need to make corrections to other articles because Wikipedia lets me create mine?

Thank you in advance Cavero Official (talk) 20:16, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Cavero Official, welcome to the Teahouse. The very first problem here may be your username, since you seem to have used the name of your brand to create a role account, rather than one which reflects you as an individual. I'd recommend either abandoning this account and creating one with a different name, or requesting a change of username (instructions are here).

Next, you should read WP:PAID to see the disclosures you will need to make, and make them.

You should then start on the task of carefully reading WP:Your first article. You will need to demonstrate that your company is notable by Wikipedia's standards. This is done by finding several reliable, independent, published, secondary sources which talk about the company in some detail (see WP:42). You would then summarize what those sources say about your company, citing the sources themselves as you go (see WP:Referencing for beginners).

Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If you cannot find such sources, it's best to just stop now. Also, be aware from the outset that statements like so remarkable and has never been done and explain the deep meaning of all are not very encyclopedic language. You'll need to learn to write much more neutrally. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:30, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Well, thank you so much i understand better now. How can i change my username? Is it a difficult procedure? Can you share me the link?

Thank you Cavero Official (talk) 20:37, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Cavero Official: please see Wikipedia:Changing username. Victor Schmidt (talk) 20:42, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Cavero Official:, you don't need to change your username. Just abandon it, and create a new account, not associated with the brand you own. The username "Cavero Official" shouldn't be used by anyone, so nothing will be lost. Maproom (talk) 21:05, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

The guide at WP:YFA explains how to create and submit a draft, for review. WP:BACKWARD advises get your references in order first, before attempting a draft. As above, writing about "the story, deep meaning, etc." is forbidden. Only what people with no connection to Cavero have published about the company is suitable as content verification and references. Last, if against all odds you do have an article accepted, afterwards, other people can edit and you cannot. You would be limited to submitting edit requests on the Talk page of the article, for others to impement or not. David notMD (talk) 21:24, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Cavero Official, you may also want to read Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Best wishes. Karenthewriter (talk) 22:23, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Way to view most recent articles?

Does anybody know if there is a way to see the most recently created articles? Or maybe some shortcut to said page? Thanks. 🍻 Wolfquack (talk) 22:01, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Special:NewPages and/or Special:NewPagesFeed. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 22:21, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Zzuuzz Thank you *tips hat* Wolfquack (talk) 22:25, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Account not signing in

Hello Im LegoFanXtreme. My accounts not letting me sign in 2601:5CB:C002:87B0:ACA2:681F:8488:36E (talk) 22:40, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Your account is not blocked. Try to recover its password or begin to use another account, e.g. LegoFanXtreme2. But do not use two accounts in combination, that leads to both accounts getting blocked. tgeorgescu (talk) 22:50, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Creating my user page

Hello everyone at the teahouse, need a little on my user page Leoosi777 (talk) 23:02, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Leoosi777 welcome to Teahouse! See Wikipedia:User pages for guidelines on what your User page can have. I would recommend making constructive edits first before worrying about your user page. You can always responsibly copy snippets from other people's userpages and tinker with them. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 23:08, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Okay great, thanks Shushugah Leoosi777 (talk) 23:16, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Citing sources from Wikipedia Library

When providing an inline source obtained via Wikipedia Library I'm not sure whether to provide the URL, so have just been stating via, for example - Gale OneFile and not providing a URL link.

Take this citation URL as an example. link.gale.com/apps/doc/A698855619/STND?u=wikipedia&sid=bookmark-STND&xid=33d78588

Should I:

a) include the URL as is?

b) amend part of the URL? If so, what.

c) include the link but don't change anything and let users who run Citation Bot make any necessary adjustment?

d) don't include the link at all?

Also, should I be acknowledging Wikipedia Library in the 'via' field along with Gale? Rupples (talk) 00:17, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

@Rupples Welcome to Teahouse! I would amend the url to be as simple and as succinct possible. Usually the ISSN, DOI and other core identifiers are the most important aspects. If it has a Journal/Newspaper name, then the publisher is not that important. No need to reference WP:WMF at all. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 00:28, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

You can remove the part including and after ?u= and the URL should still be fine for those who have access. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 00:29, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

That's great! Thanks to both. Rupples (talk) 00:44, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

How to create subpage

I want to create a subpage from my user page, but, quite simply, how do I do it? Is there some sort of form I need to fill out or something? Something to do with the sandbox? Please help.

AugustusAudax (talk) 01:12, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi AugustusAudax. User subpages can be created in the same ways as other pages. See Wikipedia:How to create a page for several methods. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:26, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Definition of Alumnus?

Hello and good morning. Q: What is the accepted definition of "alumnus" here on Wikipedia? Merriam-Webster gives us: 1) a person who has attended or has graduated from a particular school, college, or university; 2) a person who is a former member, employee, contributor, or inmate. Do these correspond with WP:MOS and/or house style? (I'm specifically interested in knowing whether a person's attendance at a particular educational institution is sufficient to state that they are an alumnus/alumna.) Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 07:10, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, the definition seems to be perfectly clear, but please also see WP:ALUMNI. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:08, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. This is what I was looking for: "... regardless of how much time they have spent on a school roll, from one day to several years, and whether or not they graduated." All clear. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 11:06, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Cl3phact0, WP:ALUMNI is part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools/Article advice, which isn't obviously about tertiary education. And the notion that somebody who's spent just a single day "on a school roll" thereby becomes an alumnus of the place is (for me) risible; it sounds like the kind of nonsense that's trotted out by a politician caught for having faked their CV. Wiktionary (of course not the only authority, if an authority at all) says of alumnus: "A male pupil or student. / A male graduate. / A student of any gender. / A graduate of any gender." This doesn't even cover people who went to a school for years but for one reason or another didn't graduate from it. -- Hoary (talk) 13:03, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Hoary. In truth, I would agree with you that mere matriculation and a casual stroll across the quad does not an alumnus make. In fact, I was a bit surprised by the definition (both Webster's and the above mentioned WP source). I had it in my mind that the term referred to a graduate of an institution. That said, I did doubt myself enough to look it up in the dictionary – and who am I to contradict either of the above sources, after all? This is the article and section that prompted my question, and in particular, whether (based on the parenthetical clause) the Iain Duncan Smith article should be included in Category:Università per Stranieri di Perugia alumni (which I created and populated in relation to Marva Griffin article). How would you define alumnus in this case? Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 16:29, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Cl3phact0, later this week I may have an opportunity to look in the OED for graduate. If I can, I'll let you know what it says. In the meantime, the iWeb corpus offers for example this from a University of Birmingham page: "Be an alumnus of the University, which includes any student who has undertaken an undergraduate degree or exchange programme (for no less than one semester) at Birmingham. It also includes current final-year undergraduate students." (That's from this page, which no longer exists; though I'd guess that it lives on c/o the Wayback Machine.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:39, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Cl3phact0, unfortunately the OED isn't helpful. It has three definitions in its entry (revised in September 2022) for alumnus: the first (labelled "obsolete") is of "a pupil or student attending" a school. The third ("2.b", labelled "colloquial") is of people who've been through organizations other than schools. It's the second ("2.a") that's relevant here: "A former pupil or student (typically male) of a particular school, university, etc.; a graduate of a particular seat of learning. The singular alumnus almost always refers to a male, but the plural alumni is often used to refer to graduates of either sex." Which of course just raises the question of what a "pupil" or "student" is. I'll just say that if I were at a university only to study something for a few days, I'd never call myself a student of that university; and after those few days were over, I'd never call myself an alumnus of that university. -- Hoary (talk) 12:35, 30 March 2023 (UTC) slightly tweaked Hoary (talk) 00:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I think it's worth mentioning that the definition at the top of this section is a very American one. Here in Australia we only ever speak of someone being an alumnus of a university, or what Americans call a college. ("College" has a very differnt meaning here.) It certainly doesn't inculde schools. The Birmingham example above seems a close match to Australian usage. While Wikipeida can choose to apply whatever defeinition it likes, editors need to be aware that it only makes sense in one part of the world. HiLo48 (talk) 02:16, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

And, Cl3phact0, I'll concede that alumn? can be vacuous. This page tells us: "The Scouting Alumni Association defines alumni as everyone positively and personally impacted by the Boy Scouts of America. That includes former Scouts, family members of Scouts past and present, community leaders and millions of Americans who benefit from Scouting in their communities every day." Yet context is important. The organization hosting the web page I've just quoted wants to get donations, and of course the larger the target group, the more donations they're likely to get. (A matter that's pointed out here -- another page that discusses a definition.) However, neither Wikipedia nor most of its readers would profit from an extraordinarily wide definition of alumnus. More mainstream: "An GRCC/JC alumnus is defined as an individual who has earned 30 credits or more from GRCC/JC" (source); "Alumnus is defined as a person who has obtained a degree, certificate or diploma from the College, or its immediate predecessor, Mitchell College" (source, an earlier version of this). -- Hoary (talk) 08:18, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

@Cl3phact0 Inmate? I'm a bit surprised by that use, but I accept it. David10244 (talk) 08:23, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

@David10244: "Inmate" surprised me too (but I do like "Big-house alumnus" as far as turn of phrase goes).-- Cl3phact0 (talk) 10:12, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

@Cl3phact0 "Big-house alumnus". Good phrase! David10244 (talk) 03:05, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

How do I find the draft I was still working on?

I published the draft I was still working on about Tennent H. "Pete" Bagley and then, having gotten a little "burnt out," I logged out of Wikipedia. Is that draft gone forever, now, or can I still access it and continue working on it? Thanks. Was Kisevalter Nash? (talk) 01:15, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I just found it. Draft:Tennent H. "Pete" Bagley I think you need to put a second closing curly bracket at the end of what I guess is supposed to be an Infobox. Uporządnicki (talk) 01:37, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

And I'd rephrase the bit about how his nickname "suck" (sic) with him. Uporządnicki (talk) 01:45, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks!

Will do (LOL).

Speaking of the "Inbox," I keep getting a big red error message that I haven't formatted his birth date correctly.

Any suggestions? Was Kisevalter Nash? (talk) 02:07, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Also, how do I get back to my draft where it's displayed in its formatting and editing mode so I can add that curly bracket, etc, etc.?

Thanks. Was Kisevalter Nash? (talk) 02:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

@Was Kisevalter Nash?: If you're in visual editing mode, you can click on the icon in the top toolbar to open a dropdown menu, then click Source editing. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:43, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Okay.

Thanks! Was Kisevalter Nash? (talk) 03:13, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Article Drafts

How do I access my draft articles? 2600:1700:BAD0:A30:8976:5D2D:91E3:D69C (talk) 04:22, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

The best way is to log into your account (if you have one) and look at your contribution history. Otherwise, you need to remember what title you used. The title would be of the form "Draft:Title of draft". ~Anachronist (talk) 04:29, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

how do i publish or submit an article i have written as a draft?

I am new to wikipedia an just recently did a draft for a n artist article. I belive it was saved a published. However it is unclear to me how to proceed with getting this article submitted or actually published on wikipedia and seen online.

Below is the link to the draft i created

Draft:CLEMZY (Music Producer)

Please Help! Kennyod (talk) 10:59, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Before you submit it, you need to clean it up. Remove the bold song titles. Song titles in Wikipedia are written in plain text and with quotes like this: "Song Title". Album titles are written in italics like this Album Title. Also (the main issue) you're going to need more reliable sources than the few you have in the article at the moment. - X201 (talk) 11:18, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. This is helpful Kennyod (talk) 13:52, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Also. read WP:BIO. Wikipedia has notability standards and the subject of the article will need to meet them. - X201 (talk) 11:19, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

@Kennyod: After reviewing Help:Your first article, ensuring that the artist meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines, and you have addressed the other suggestions here, you can add {{subst:submit}} to the top of your draft to submit it for review. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 13:50, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Kennyod (talk) 13:53, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

@Kennyod, where did you get the photo of this person which you uploaded? If you know them personally, you should probably review WP:COI. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:01, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

@Kennyod, my bad, I see you already have a statement on your user page. Thanks for doing that. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:06, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

I actually got the photo off of instagram. Kennyod (talk) 09:31, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Photos from instagram are copyright by the original creator of the photo. You can not use that. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:14, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Okay. what sort of photo can i use Kennyod (talk) 10:54, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Kennyod, you uploaded it as "own work". If it is, in fact, someone else's work, please remove it from the draft and delete it from Commons, since you have likely committed a copyright violation. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:21, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

can you tell me how to do that please? Kennyod (talk) 10:19, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I tried to nominate the file for deletion. After clicking on the image, and then clicking "more info", there used to be a link labeled "nominate this file for deletion". I don't see that link in this most recent skin. David10244 (talk) 03:21, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

It looks like there is no way at Commons (using Vector 2010, which is apparently the default there) to see the "tools" menu, which has "Nominate for Deletion", unless you are in desktop mode. (I'm always in desktop mode at en:wp, since I have the handy script thingy. But it doesn't work at WM.) I'll try to report the missing "tools" menu somewhere at Commons... unless I missed something obvious.

I have nominated the image for deletion as "not own work". David10244 (talk) 05:17, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I'd like to rename a taxonomy page

Hi All,

I just created https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Taxonomy/Genus, and I am 100% sure that this was a terrible name. I realise now that I didn't need to create it (what I wanted is already there, in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Taxonomy/Hippopotamus), so I'd just like to delete it.

I know how to revert changes that I have made to a page, but not how to delete the page itself.

Can you help me, and do a speedy delete, please?

Thanks!

Ben morphett (talk) 09:58, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

You can add the {{db-g7}} template to the page to request deletion. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 10:03, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Ben morphett: On the basis of your post here, I've deleted the template. If you for some reason want it undeleted, ask on my talk page or at WP:REFUND. Deor (talk) 14:06, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Ben morphett (talk) 05:28, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Help (im)proving "notability" of articles

I've submitted 2 draft articles (Draft:The Foundation for Research on Information Technologies in Society, Draft:Schmid & Partner Engineering AG, originally published, then selected for deletion, then "drafitified").

The IT'IS article was declined for not having references clearly traceable to the main text for the purpose of meeting notability per WP:GNG, for having too many references, for having too many external links...

The references I cite include many peer-reviewed papers published in respected scientific journals. Are these discounted because some of the co-authors performed research in IT'IS laboratories?

The SPEAG article was moved to draft status; I submitted it for review today.

Full discolosure: I was employed by the IT'IS Foundation as a science writer from 2012 until my retirement in 2019; since then, I have continued to work for IT'IS as an editor on an hourly basis. In early 2015, I recommended to the foundation's director, Niels Kuster, to contribute articles to Wikipedia, but early drafts were shelved until recently.

I do not view my drafts as attempts at self-promotion -- both IT'IS and SPEAG have mechanisms in-house for this purpose, presentations at conferences and peer-reviewed scientific articles for IT'IS and a sales office for SPEAG. I honestly believe that the information in the articles is globally important and potentially of interest to many consulters of wilipedia.

I am consulting a US-based expert on telecommunications, the former corporate VP of MOTOROLA, on both of these drafts. He would like to draft an article on the history of portable device SAR testing in support of the 2 existing drafts, but there is a catch: he and Niels Kuster were main drivers in the develpment of precision instruments for wireless device testing and he fears that his contributions will be labeled as biased.

I will be drafting more articles about another partner organization -- Zurich MedTech (with a focus on MRI safety issues) -- and background information about wireless testing and exposure studies.

Any tips are greatly appreciated. PLBounds (talk) 14:18, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@PLBounds: Starting with three rather minor points:

1. Please avoid using section-break lines on talk pages, it makes it harder to scan the page. I have replaced them by a somewhat-similar graphical element (I considered removing them entirely but arguably that would have denaturated your post).
2. You fall under our definition of paid editor. The sentences you put on your userpage are adequate to disclose your relationship; I would encourage you to use the standard template {{paid}} (but that is not mandatory).
3. Whether you view your drafts as attempts at self-promotion, or whether others view it thusly, is irrelevant. What matters is if they verify Wikipedia's policies.

Now, onto the substantive points.

The first (and most important) thing to check is whether the subjects of the article verify Wikipedia’s definition of notability. This is a property of the subjects, not of the (draft) articles. If such sources do not exist, stop any work on the drafts, because such work will be wasted: no amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability.

To show a company is notable, you need to find multiple sources that are simultaneously (1) independent of the subject, (2) reliable, and (3) describe the subject at length. Anything written by the company, its founders, employees etc. is ruled out by (1); this includes interviews as well. Scientific articles written by unrelated people will usually meet (1) and (2), but are at risk of failing (3). A single sentence along the lines of "we used company X's foobar to cromulate the thing" does not describe company X or its products at length; on the other hand, a full-review article comparing company X's foobars with company Y's foobars might qualify.

The second thing is to make sure the drafts are written from a neutral point of view. (This is less important than notability, because it can always be fixed from within Wikipedia.) Wikipedia articles aim to provide a "facts-only" outlook on a subject ("dry and boring", one might say, although it is certainly possible to write less-boring articles while respecting the guidelines).

Consider for instance the following from your draft:

• with the mission to develop novel scientific methods. Unless it is a military squad, it does not have a "mission" - it has "goals", "aims", etc. Also, "novel - Are there many research institutes that have the mission to develop old scientific methods?
• Compare the draft’s wording of The research activities of the IT'IS Foundation are centered around computational life sciences to expand the scientific basis for safe and beneficial applications of EM energy in wireless information technologies, as well as to apply computational physics to advance the expansion of precision medicine. with the IT'IS Foundation uses methods from computational life sciences and computational physics to study the safety of wireless transmission and precision medicine. My quick and dirty rewording does lose a warm and fuzzy feeling of nice-people-doing-nice-things, but does it lose information?
• is heavily involved in - would you write that another institute is lightly involved in? Reversing the meaning of the sentences often allows to identify much peacocky wording (i.e. positively-loaded turns of phrase that contain no significant information)
• The IT'IS Foundation has participated in a variety of research consortiums Well, duh. It’s a research institute. That’s what they do. If you’re not going to tell us which right away, you might as well drop the sentence.

I haven’t looked very deep at the rest but I strongly suspect the paragraph "The REFLEX project controversy" is not using the best available sources, and as a result, is giving a rather slanted presentation. In particular, the about page of "Microwave News" is full of red flags to me (neither Science nor Nature feel the need to say their editor is a PhD, nor do they show reviews by the popular press). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 16:09, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

I would say that "mission statements" are not useful, even if you call them "goals", "aims", etc. WP is not interested in what a company or foundation says about itself; only what others have said in reliable, independent sources. So please don't include goals or aims, either... David10244 (talk) 05:32, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @PLBounds, welcome to the Teahouse. Any source you are using to demonstrate a subject's notability must be entirely independent of the subject. Once notability has been established via such sources, other, less independent sources can be used to add or verify information (though Wikipedia prefers unaffiliated sources).

The person you are in contact with would have a COI which they should declare. Their ability to contribute would, indeed, probably be more limited than an uninvolved editor. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:29, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Is this a notable subject?

Hi! I'm wondering if the topic I'd like to write about is notable or not. I'd like to write about an online publication called "Astrovitae Magazine" which seems to be the first community-based magazine in its speculative evolution genre. Could anyone verify if this topic has enough notability before I draft an article? Thank you! 72.240.47.82 (talk) 16:41, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Good day, IP

After a quick look up and scroll, I only found one decent source without going deeper. If you can find three independent and reliable sources, in general that means an article is worthy of inclusion. The first three results I see when looking it up is their own website, an Instagram page, and a YouTube video. The fourth, Ko-Fi looks independent but questionable. However, there may be more sources. ✶Mitch199811✶ 18:12, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Do blog posts count as notable sources? I found the magazine talked about by Gert van Dijk's blog (a prominent spec evo artist), as well as a few other less prominent artists in the genre. Would these sources be considered unreliable despite coming directly from artists in this particular genre? 72.240.47.82 (talk) 18:33, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Please read WP:BLOGS. In short, the vast majority of blogs are not accepted as reliable sources. The few exceptions do not seem to apply here. Gert van Dijk's blog is neither an independent source nor a reliable source. Cullen328 (talk) 18:52, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for this link! Very helpful. I think it might be best for me to hold off on authoring an article about this magazine as there is not enough notoriety. 72.240.47.82 (talk) 18:58, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

If Wikipedia was limited to notoriety it would be a much smaller endeavor! David notMD (talk) 06:06, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Right; you want "notability". It's a common mistake. There are quite a few notorious people, but maybe not 6 or 7 million. David10244 (talk) 05:37, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

The title of the draft article

I want to change the title to Ramaprasad Chanda Bchanda (talk) 20:53, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Bchanda, welcome back to the Teahouse. Your draft was declined because we already have an article on Ramaprasad Chanda. It is at Ramaprasad Chanda. You are free to improve that article; please be sure to only add information from reliable sources, summarizing and citing them. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 21:01, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I want to change the draft to Ramaprasad Chanda Bchanda (talk) 21:08, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Bchanda. There is no point in changing the name of Draft:Rai Bahadur Ramaprasad Chanda, because it is never going to be accepted as an article since there is already an article on the subject.

There may well be a point in developing parts of your draft into acceptable Wikipedia text (formatting headers, for example, and using inline citations - see WP:REFB). Then when you have done that, you can copy sections from your draft into the article. ColinFine (talk) 21:11, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Bchanda This was discussed here a couple of days ago. Did you see those replies? David10244 (talk) 06:08, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Creating a New Article

What page or section do I click on to start composing a draft article?

Fwiw, I went into "edit" mode on an existing article (but didn't do any editing) just to get an idea of what good formatting looks like.

Thanks. Was Kisevalter Nash? (talk) 21:47, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Was Kisevalter Nash?: here's one way. On your user page (or somewhere else that it won't do any harm) create a link to the draft that you want to create, like this Draft:Xyzabc. Then click on that link. That'll take you to a page titled "Creating Draft:Xyzabc". Type something in the larfge edit box, and click "Publish page". You've created a draft. Now you can delete the link to it if you like, the draft'll still be there. Maproom (talk) 22:13, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Was Kisevalter Nash? specifically for you I would start creating a draft by clicking Was Kisevalter Nash/sandbox and publishing your content there. When you think your article is ready for review, you can follow the instructions at Wikipedia:So you made a userspace draft ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 00:14, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

@Was Kisevalter Nash? You can also look at your first article. David10244 (talk) 07:24, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for that tip, David! Was Kisevalter Nash? (talk) 07:32, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Is this an appropriate article to create?

I am interested in creating an article about the subset of Taylor Swift fans (Gaylors) who believe Taylor Swift is queer. There are independent articles from well known publications on the topic that could be used for citation, and I believe there is more than enough information on the topic for it to have it's own article, however I am wondering if the reason it hasn't been created yet is because it is against the conventions of Wikipedia in some way. Derekeaaron1 (talk) 01:27, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Derekeaaron1 and Welcome to the Teahouse! As long as the article is properly (reliable, not just blogs) sourced, I see no reason it wouldn’t be created because Wikipedia is not censored. I would recommend creating a draft using the Wikipedia:Article wizard. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 01:48, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@Derekeaaron1: You might wish to discuss this topic at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Taylor Swift. GoingBatty (talk) 02:43, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@Derekeaaron1, assuming the sources exist, and since I started Larries myself I think they may very well do (try to get books and scholarly articles if you can), there's no reason why you shouldn't. Johnlock probably meets WP:GNG too. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:45, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! do you have any insight onto how reliable sources need to be in order to claim "some people think X" as opposed to "X is true?" there are a number of articles about specific gaylor theories that are typically not from reliable sources, but I'm not sure what the standards are to just say a theory exists. Derekeaaron1 (talk) 21:33, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@Derekeaaron1 You'll be glad to know (?) that we have a whole policy about that, Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, and it can be a tricky one. WP:WEIGHT may be the most relevant part here. Do your best. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:04, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Derekeaaron1: You can have a look at various articles such as Modern flat Earth beliefs to see how that sort of things is handled. There’s probably not going to be a review in a sociology journal, but newspaper sources are fine. A quick online search turns up many such sources ([16], [17] (but see WP:JEZEBEL), and others from less-recognizable but apparently-reliable outlets). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 09:09, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Uploading images

Hi, I am an experienced Wikipedian, but I don't know much about images and licensing. Am I allowed to upload the image from https://www.statista.com/chart/16959/share-of-the-internet-that-is-porn/ ? It is CC BY-ND (c) 2019 StatistaCharts. Wikimedia Commons does not allow such images. tgeorgescu (talk) 22:27, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Tgeorgescu no in short, because of the ND part which means No Derivatives, but all Wiki content expressly allows remixing. The only way you could upload an image to English Wikipedia where it wouldn't be allowed in Commons is if WP:FAIRUSE applied, but that doesn't here. Happy licensing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 23:00, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Tgeorgescu I assume that it is the data, not the way it is expressed in that particular chart that is of interest for an artilce here, so you could just use the information with that URL as the citation. However, I note that statista.com is considered a "generally unreliable source". Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:07, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

i want to create a page with same name which was delete

A page of mine has been deleted. I want to correct the mistake in the same subject and submit again, how can I do it? Ronychandra21 (talk) 09:15, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Ronychandra21 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You may recreate a draft via Articles for Creation. Be advised that creating a new article is the most difficult task to attempt on Wikipedia, we usually advise newer editors to first gain experience and knowledge by editing existing articles in areas that interest them, as well as using the new user tutorial to learn more about the process and what is being looked for. Diving right in to article creation as you are doing often leads to disappointment and frustration as things happen to your drafts that you don't understand, and I don't want you to have bad feelings.

I'm wondering if you have a connection with the subjects of your edits. If so, that needs to be disclosed, see conflict of interest and paid editing(declaring paid editing is a Terms of Use requirement). 331dot (talk) 09:33, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

If you are asking about Draft:Mondip Gharai, it was Speedy deleted for being promotional/advertising. If you believe you can do better, then use the guide at WP:YFA to submit a draft. P.S. You have an active draft that has been declined twice. You removed two references and submitted it again. Expect that to be Declined unless you can improve the draft before a reviewer gets to it. Not a guarantee, but refs as URLs are unwelcome. See Help:Referencing for beginners on how to craft references. David notMD (talk) 11:59, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Making sure that the topic I'd like to write is notable or not

Hello,

I'd like to write about a cloud platform called "SSD Nodes", based in the US and present in 8 countries around the globe since 2011, who always worked towards providing VPS hosting as a resource that even students, solo developers, or startups can smoothly provision.

There is already Wikipedia articles discussing similar platforms like: Linode and DigitalOcean.

The aim is to shed the light on the cloud computing technology, along with the hosting and domains subscriptions. The added value, is a parallel blog platform called "Serverwise", showcasing VPS hosting tutorials and articles on development, self-hosting, and more.

It has already been awarded by G2_Crowd, the business software and services reviews, multiple awards, with the most recent being:

- Fastest Implementation (Small Business) - Spring 2023

- High Performer - Spring 2023

Could this topic offer enough notability before I draft an article?

Thank you!

Marc

Telecoms Engineer SSD Nodes (talk) 14:01, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @SSD Nodes, welcome to the Teahouse. Our notability guideline for organization is at WP:NORG. You can start reading through that, but the basic idea is that you need to find multiple independent, reliable, published secondary sources with in-depth coverage of the subject (see WP:42). Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. Have you found any such sources about this company? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:32, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

• See This page. A subject is presumed to be notable enough for a stand-alone page so long as there is sufficient writing about the topic in reliable, independent sources, which is to say that there exists, out there in the world, enough reliable source text in things like books, journals, magazines, websites, etc. which are both sufficiently detailed to allow a well-developed encyclopedia article, and which are completely independent from the subject in question. We don't really care about awards or anything like that; those are meaningless for our purposes. All we care about is "is there enough good, reliable, and independent source text to use to research and WP:CITE when writing a good article". If the source text exists, then the article can be written. If the source text doesn't exist, then the don't write the article.--Jayron32 14:34, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

• Also, completely separate from whether or not the article should be written, because of Wikipedia's conflict of interest policy, you should definitely not be the person writing it. That's because, as someone who has a close connection to the subject in question, you are likely unable to remain neutral when writing about it. --Jayron32 14:34, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

And on top of all that, @SSD Nodes, I believe there is a problem with your username. It does not represent you as an individual - instead you have chosen to use the name of this company. This is against our username guidelines, and I strongly suggest you either abandon this account in favor of a differently named one, or request a change in username via the process described at Wikipedia:Changing username. Otherwise you're likely to end up blocked. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:47, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Should I put share the content from my website here, since the topic from it is not well covered on Wikipedia

Hi, I'm making a website about Zelenika, a place in the municipality of Herceg Novi, Montenegro. Articles on it can greatly improve pages some about Zelenika, and even open new topics about it. They are not very long (the longest one is around 2500 words, the shortest one mere 200 words), so they might not be up to wikipedia standards, but all of them are well researched and with a lot of information not included on Wikipedia (or anywhere on the internet for that matter). Do you think I should share the content with Wikipedia after indexing my website, or even though some articles are better than its Wikipedia counterpart, it would be consider spamming and low-quality? Drzavanovska (talk) 10:37, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Simply, Drzavanovska, no you shouldn't. Somebody not connected to your website may decide that it is a reliable source, and may then decide to summarize some of what it says (of course acknowledging this via references). -- Hoary (talk) 10:57, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Great, thanks. I'll have a lot of information not included here, including the books and articles I used, so hopefully someone will improve the page in the future. Drzavanovska (talk) 11:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Drzavanovsak, and welcome to the Teahouse. The answer is, probably not: that sounds like original research, which is not accepted in Wikipedia: an article must be based on reliably published secondary sources.

If part of what you have written is based on such reliable secondary sources, then you could incorporate that material into a Wikipedia article. You should cite those original sources, not your website; and if you copy your text directly, you should avoid copyright problems by stating on your website that you release the material under a suitable licence such as CC-BY-SA. ColinFine (talk) 11:17, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, ColinFine,

Thank you for a a detailed answer.

It was very helpful.

I have quite a few sources listed in my texts, so I can use them, or as Hoary said, I can leave that to other independent party. Since my website is a non-profit one, mentioning the sources without mentioning it should not be a problem.

Thanks again! Drzavanovska (talk) 12:02, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Edit conflict ::I agree that Zelenika, Herceg Novi could use more content typically incorporated into village and town articles (History section, and so on). Cite the sources you found and used in your website rather than referencing your website. David notMD (talk) 12:05, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello David notMD,

Thank you.

Will do! Drzavanovska (talk) 12:09, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

You could also take photographs, submit those to Wikipedia:Wikimedia Commons, and then create a gallery similar to what is at Herceg Novi Municipality. David notMD (talk) 12:14, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I will. We already prepared pictures for the website. The gallery should be at least as good as the one you linked to. Drzavanovska (talk) 12:33, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

@Drzavanovska, FYI - if you decide to re-use photos here which you've already posted on your website, be sure that the licensing on your site will permit such re-use (just as ColinFine mentioned above in regards to the text). This should prevent any licensing questions/issues. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:00, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Or take new photos, even of the same locations. P.S. Avoid using "We" (As in "We alreadt prepared..."), as Wikipedia accounts are for individuals, not more than one person. David notMD (talk) 15:01, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

company profile

I have been trying to upload a renowned company profile as an article that has really helped people in crisis around the world and have been working for sustainable development. But, my article always faces a rejection. Humais sheikh (talk) 16:21, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Humais sheikh, welcome to the Teahouse. The reviewer left a long comment at the top of Draft:Giga Group Of Companies, explaining that more sources are needed to establish notability, and that the tone of the draft needs work. The entire Ambition section, for instance, is far from encyclopedic. You also need to remove the inline external links within the body of the draft. If you can fix those issues, your draft has a much better chance of being accepted. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:29, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Fair use images of mass killers?

I was just reading up on the Sandy Hook shooting, Nova Scotia attacks, and the Buffalo shooting, and noticed none of them have images of perpetrators. I was going to be bold and add in fair use ones, but thought that with how established and heavily edited these articles were, there might be some kind of consensus against it or someone would have done it by now.

Is there any specific reason or consensus against adding these images? Or has no one bothered to yet?

Cheers,

~~~~ Bremps! 16:48, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Bremps!, and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't know if there has been discussion, but I suspect that the problem would be justifying WP:NFCC no. 8: Contextual significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding. ColinFine (talk) 17:13, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the speedy reply! I'll reference that going forward. Bremps! 17:24, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Want to join Counter-Vandalism

Wanna join Wikipedia:Counter-Vandalism Unit group was written to add Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1184 this did but showing error on my user page please anyone fix this. NP83 (talk) 17:29, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

NP83, to add yourself to Category:Wikipedians in the Counter-Vandalism Unit, simply link the category like so: [[Category:Wikipedians in the Counter-Vandalism Unit]]. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 17:48, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Helpme

please create and edit on behalf of RENANDA REZA CAHYONO IS A WRITER on the wattpad, goodnovel and noveltoon applications. I edited it yesterday and it's complete but mine was deleted and locked by someone. therefore I want to propose to be edited so that it is not deleted again. Thank You Muhammad bian (talk) 13:57, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Muhammad bian, welcome to the Teahouse. Draft:RENANDA REZA CAHYONO still exists, but among other problems, it is not written in English. Please review Help:Your first article and our notability guideline for authors. I'm not familiar with Goodnovel or Noveltoon, but Wattpad is a self-publishing platform, so having works posted there is not terribly impressive by our standards. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:27, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

All three are self-publishing platforms. The sources provided all appear to be crowdsource/blog stuff. @Muhammad bian, I'm afraid that person simply isn't notable yet by Wikipedia standards. Here's a link to more information: WP:AUTHOR. Valereee (talk) 15:36, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Muhammad bian (talk) 17:37, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Help

em

Muhammad bian (talk) 17:40, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

help me Muhammad bian (talk) 17:41, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

@Muhammad bian, none of those sources is good enough to prove a claim to notability, which is the minimum Wikipedia requires. Please read WP:AUTHOR. Valereee (talk) 17:44, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Taken to user talk. Valereee (talk) 17:56, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

BLP PROD where there's previously been an AfD

If a BLP article has previously been deleted via AfD and then a new article is created without sources, is it eligible for WP:BLPPROD? I don't see anything in the guidance that says not, but twinkle aborted due to finding the old AfD when I tried to nominate Teddy Dief. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:29, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry: regardless of the answer, I see that Uhtregorn edited that article and left an "under construction" tag less about seven hours before your template addition. Unless I am missing special context, you are supposed to obey such "under construction" tags when they are reasonably recent. The only place I found that specifically mentions this is here, §4, but I am pretty sure it applies not just to interactions with new editors.

(I happen to personally disagree with that social norm when it comes to mainspace articles. I think an unsourced article that someone promises to improve should be moved to draft - it has no business being in mainspace if it is in a state that would never pass AfC. But that’s clearly not the mainstream view.) Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 08:55, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

@Tigraan BLP statements that are unsourced can be immediately removed however. I do not think a {{under construction}} tag exempts that. The tag is to minimize edit conflicts and for non BLP content perhaps some leeway of unsourced materials. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 08:59, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Agreed. It doesn't give license for an editor to do whatever they want to it without other editors intervening. Doug Weller talk 16:36, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Cordless Larry: It might be eligible for speedy deletion per WP:G4, but prod, in general, is essentially for deletions that are at least believed to be non-contentious and a previous AFD implies someone felt otherwise. I don't use Twinkle, but that might be what it's assessing. Anyway, if you know who the admin who deleted the article via AfD is, you can ask them to take a look at the recreation and figure out if it meets G4. All takes for an BLPPRODded article to be deprodded is to simply add a single source, right? So, if you feel there's no point in trying to find such a source yourself because of WP:OVERCOME, then it seems like G4 or another AfD are the only options available. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:00, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, all. This article wouldn't qualify under WP:G4 as the new version is significantly different to the deleted article. I realise that the threshold to avoid a BLP PROD deletion is low but I suppose my question was more about what the rules are. WP:BLPPROD states that "a prior declined BLPPROD nomination does not block an article from being nominated for standard PROD and vice versa", so I was surprised that a prior successful AfD nomination apparently does block one (at least as far as Twinkle is concerned). Cordless Larry (talk) 16:02, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

• Just as a point of order, the deleted version of the article had sources. In case anyone wanted access to that cough cough , then perhaps a friendly admin shuffles feet and looks innocent would restore and userfy it so one could access those sources if they wanted them. You know, if someone were to ask nicely. Maybe. --Jayron32 16:08, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Well, I could be that friendly admin if I was so minded, Jayron32, but I'm not particularly motivated to help as I have my doubts about notability and the possibility that there's COI and perhaps paid editing going on here. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:14, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

If that were all the case, I would also be less so minded to help. Clearly an XY problem between us then. Ah, well, pay it no mind. Delete away. --Jayron32 16:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Hey folks. Just saw this. I am working on the sources now. Uhtregorn (talk) 17:19, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Uhtregorn. Can I ask where you got his year of birth from? Cordless Larry (talk) 17:34, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

To be honest I spotted it on some other bio wiki page I found when I was looking him up. I understand that's not an adequate source but I figured it would be okay. Uhtregorn (talk) 18:30, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

OK, thanks for your honesty, Uhtregorn. It's best to leave personal details out unless you have a reliable source. This is partly why I thought you might have a COI, although it would have been more suspicious if you'd have known the exact date. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:49, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Fair enough, I understand that. To be clear, there is no COI. I found this on requested articles and was interested because I like games. Uhtregorn (talk) 19:24, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

While an article awaits review I’d like to work on another in the sandbox.

However, the sandbox currently has a redirect to the pending article in question. Is there a way to remove this redirect, without interrupting the review process, so as to free up the sandbox space? Thank you! Applejack39 (talk) 19:06, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello Applejack39, done. User:Applejack39/sandbox is now empty and you can work on a new draft. 〜 Festucalex • talk 19:40, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you!! Applejack39 (talk) 21:39, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Also, Applejack39, I suggest you don't move the sandbox the next time you finish a draft. Start with a dedicated draft in your userspace in the first place. For example, I created Hic Rhodus, hic salta by moving it from User:Festucalex/Draft:Hic Rhodus, hic salta, not from User:Festucalex/sandbox. 〜 Festucalex • talk 19:44, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

You could also create it directly in draft space, avoiding the first move altogether. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 21:40, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you!! Applejack39 (talk) 21:54, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

How to write an article in small bits

I’m planning on writing an article that is a pretty wide topic, and I can’t complete it in just one day. How do I write it in small bits one by one and then publish it all? (I do not want to go through the aoc process) Vamsi20 (talk) 21:56, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Vamsi20 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, use WP:DRAFT for more information on writing articles, then use this link to start a new draft for the article you wish to create. -- StarryNightSky11 ☎ 22:00, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Note that the WP:AFC process is not required for autoconfirmed editors. You can move it directly into mainspace if you wish, where it will be reviewed by new page patrollers. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 22:18, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, i do know that (I created an article before in main space)

I think I might have come up with a solution: I can write the article in my user space, and then copy the source and place it into the article in the main space, would this work? Vamsi20 (talk) 22:48, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Another option is that you could move your draft/userspace draft directly into mainspace. Cut and paste moves are discouraged.

Asparagusus (interaction) 23:02, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I do this all the time. Here's an example: [18]. When you move the page to mainspace, it will leave a redirect in the original location. (Example: [19]). That way all your edit history is saved and you don't have to ask for a speedy delete on something in your userspace. -- asilvering (talk) 23:08, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Tag 4 deletion

how do i tag an article for deletion Blitzfan51 (talk) 00:29, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Blitzfan51, it depends on why you think it needs deletion. See Wikipedia:Deletion policy for the various ways you can ask for an article to be delete. Sometimes asking with more specifics can be helpful as well. But, WP:SPEEDY if you think it can be deleted without a doubt and should be done immediately; WP:PROD if you think it's uncontroversial to delete but think it may be otherwise; WP:AFD if you're not sure or the previous two were declined. WP:BLARing (blanking and redirecting) is also an option if the situation is right.Ask here or on the article's talk page could be helpful if you're not sure. Skynxnex (talk) 01:18, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Extraction

hello, not so long ago I added a Russian translation to the page indicated above, but I was refused, can I know why? Timur699 (talk) 00:31, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Timur699, this is the English Wikipedia. Content here is only written in English, not Russian. If you wish to contribute in Russian, there is a Russian Wikipedia at ru.wikipedia.org. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 01:33, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Move request

hi i im a 112.208.240.80 i have move to mainspace as draft my name is Draft:Tropical Storm Bopha (2006) 112.208.240.80 (talk) 13:02, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

The draft is still a draft. There is no evidence it has been moved to mainspace. A search on Tropical Storm Bopha (2006) redirects to 2006 Pacific typhoon season#Severe Tropical Storm Bopha (Inday), where Bopha is one of many described storms. I strongly advise against any attempt to move the draft to mainspace, as the quality of English is very poor (sentence fragments and nonsequiters). David notMD (talk) 13:12, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@David notMD don't add a Comment my draft click a Resubmit ok 122.53.46.31 (talk) 23:52, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

I think this article has already been discussed here, a few days ago. David10244 (talk) 05:51, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

@David notMD I just saw that there is an article at Tropical_Storm_Bopha_(2006). It still has bad text including Taiwan the depression late in Aug 5.[3] but the storm caused 7 deaths as JTWC but Bopha's Aug 6 the JTWC. After Taiwan landfall and Aug 7 and 9.[4][5] for JTWC as Aug 10 and dissipated. for a tropical storm at 3 p.m. UTC. time. Aug 7's in the 2006 before 100 km/h (60 mph) Bopha's 2006 Pacific typhoon season and removed on Aug 8. but Luzon. by Bopha and Aug 10 Floods more homes are removed. in Aug and 3 typhoon's as images the storm end Aug 10. up for 3 a.m.

This shouldn't stay there, right? David10244 (talk) 08:02, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

By removing the redirect, the IP who has been working on this topic converted the draft to an article without going through AfC. The draft was poorly written from the beginning and has not improved. In my opinion the AfD is warranted. David notMD (talk) 11:24, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh, right, the redirect disappeared. Sneaky. And I missed the AfD until you mentioned it. David10244 (talk) 07:36, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Nominating to WP:GA for the first time

Yesterday, I rewrote Amal Dunqul from scratch, and I think it's a pretty good article now. Can someone look it over informally and give me some advice and suggestions before I actually go through with the process of nomination? I have no idea if it's even eligible for GA or not. 〜 Festucalex • talk 20:13, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Something that stands out instantly: you will need to improve the lede. Have a look at MOS:LEDE. At a really quick skim, it also looks like this leans far too heavily on a single source - you should be able to find and use a greater variety of academic sources for a GA. -- asilvering (talk) 20:41, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

See, now that's a problem. There just aren't many good sources about the guy. Most sources online and offline regurgitate the same couple of factoids about him. 〜 Festucalex • talk 20:43, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Hm, that's a surprise, given the biographical details in the article. Can you find scholarship about his poetry? A modern edition of his work should include both biographical details and analysis of his style, etc. -- asilvering (talk) 23:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

You added three of his poems, in Arabic and in English translation, with ref at end of translation. I believe that is a copyright infringement. Also (and it does not matter if the poems need to be removed), are the translations from the reference or are those your translations? David notMD (talk) 08:49, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Draft Review Request

Hello! I request the revision of the article that I have in draft. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Luis_Labori Ftrbnd (talk) 02:08, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Ftrbnd. The notice at the top of your submitted draft says:

"Review waiting, please be patient. This may take 4 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 3,689 pending submissions waiting for review."

There is nothing anyone can do to alter this, and Teahouse responders are generally not Reviewers, or we would be doing that rather than responding here. But "4 months or more" is the worst-case scenario – someone might choose to do it tomorrow!

I will say that your Draft is at least adequately referenced (perhaps even over-referenced) and has a normal format, unlike many, so Reviewers are likely to tackle it sooner rather than later. Best of luck! {The poster formerly known as 897.81.230.195} 176.249.31.43 (talk) 07:33, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

FYI

The draft has now been reviewed and declined for lack of significant coverage in reliable sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:18, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Intro tone and grammer rating

Hi can someone rate the grammar and tone of the these pages: Current constituency -> Visakhapatnam East Assembly constituency and defunct constituency -> Visakhapatnam-I Assembly constituency, so that I can proceed with ce works on other assembly constituency pages too in the respective category. Also I am sorry as I don't know where to ask this question hence asking here. 456legend(talk) 06:11, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

@456legend welcome to Teahouse! Super important and wonderful that you are doing this! Here is not the right place to seek content feedback. If someone has further ideas they can either edit the articles directly or raise a discussion on Talk page of the respective articles. Another option is to ask on WP:INDIA which is a WikiProject for people interested in articles about India. Thank you for improving Wikipedia! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:16, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

@Shushugah Thank you for the input. 456legend(talk) 15:24, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Wiki page picture for author

I would like to update the picture of an Author on their Wiki Page.

The picture notes the copyright symbol and photographer's name.

Am I allowed to upload it to the page and use it? LisaPSinger (talk) 22:27, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@LisaPSinger: Only if you own the copyright or if the person who owns the copyright will donate it to Wikipedia. In that case you or them have to fill a nasty form for the Volunteer Response Team. Almost nobody can fill the form right, so their pictures get deleted. tgeorgescu (talk) 22:54, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Tgeorgescu, I'll have you know that that I know of TWO successful cases by newbies on this. Ok, one succeeded on the second attempt, but still. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:04, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I'd rephrase that as "You can upload it to Wikimedia Commons only if either (A) you own the copyright or (B) the person who owns the copyright will either (i) copyleft it in a way that's acceptable to Wikimedia Commons or (ii) will waive all their rights to it, donating it to the public domain. In case (B), the copyright owner has to contact the Volunteer Response Team." (Although perhaps somebody else here will correct me.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:54, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@LisaPSinger It's not that technically difficult, but. The copyright holder is most often the photographer. Can you take a new picture yourself, or can you persuade the copyright holder to register them self on WP and then use this [20] process? OR, are we talking about a dead author? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:10, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Of course, everything goes into public domain eventually--although how long that takes is not nearly as simple a question as some people think it is. But if this author is from the 19th century, I'd say you're safe. Uporządnicki (talk) 16:53, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

@AzseicsoK, that too, but I was thinking WP:NONFREE. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:57, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Franz Kafka's Diaries

I just added a paragraph to Franz Kafka's Diaries. It contains the first footnotes in the entry, and the footnotes appear at the bottom of the screen instead of where they should. I don't know how to fix that. I'd appreciate it if another editor would. Maurice Magnus (talk) 17:30, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

It was missing the "reflist" template, I added it for you. Theroadislong (talk) 17:59, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, I'm new and I'd like to contribute the proper way

Hello, I am new to Wikipedia. I tried to add a template on the sandbox page, but I did smething incorrectly.

I don't know what I did wrong, I wrote the paragraph and then I added a link, apparently only the link got through but not the paragraph, I must have missed a step, could someone help me, please? Truthbetold27 (talk) 15:44, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi there, Truthbetold27! Which edit exactly? Thanks, Wikiexplorationandhelping (talk) 15:49, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I have revealed the hidden text for you in your sandbox. Theroadislong (talk) 15:50, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Ok, so, do I go to my sandbox? Truthbetold27 (talk) 16:07, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Ok, I see the paragraph I intended to add revealed, thank you. Now, how do I get it resubmitted witouth incurring in an error, please? Truthbetold27 (talk) 16:32, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Have you considered adding to the Grigori Grabovoi article? Wikipedia's standard for the creation of a standalone article is notability. The policy is at this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability It's often summarized as at least 3 reliable, secondary sources. If the material you want to add only has one source, it won't meet our threshold for a separate article but can be added to an existing article. Take care, Rjjiii (talk) 07:30, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

I went to the sandbox and it has a section where we can type, and I typed away, after I typed the paragraph, I clicked on 'insert' so that I could insert the link related to the information reported in the paragraph, but when I clicked on 'publish' it only sent the link and I must have missed a step. Thank you for your interest in helping me Truthbetold27 (talk) 16:06, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

What was the Library I was invited to again?

What was the Library I was invited to again? Because I forgot. I remember making contributions and enough to be just invited to a website of a library of some-sorts from an administrator, where you can get information from the most reliable pages. Can someone please direct me to that page, that would be very helpful. BloxyColaSweet (talk) 07:29, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

It's The Wikipedia Library. ■ ∃ Madeline ⇔ ∃ Part of me ; 07:42, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Help me out with an article on Sanket Goel

Hi! Can anybody help me out with this article. Draft:Sanket Goel This article has been declined 3-4 times due to referencing and citations issues. I've worked to fix them but I wanna if there is anything else possible. It would be great if you guys could help me out.

Shashy 922 (talk) 09:31, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Shashy 922 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The draft has been declined, not rejected- rejected would mean resubmission is not possible. You have submitted it for another review, the reviewer will give you feedback. 331dot (talk) 09:48, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

@Shashy 922 Your references need a lot of work. Most are bare URL, when they ought to use the full {{cite web}} template, with as many parameters such as author, date and access-date filled in. This is so readers can verify the information and it is properly credited to the people who created it. Also, the cite must back up what the text says. I picked this URL which is supposed to confirm he was a Fulbright scholar. It led to an Excel file that was supposed to contain a list of these scholars but actually had no data at all! That is simply not good enough. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:55, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Will work on them. Shashy 922 (talk) 11:49, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I worked on all the references and filled all the fields possible in {{cite web}}. Please tell me if there is anything else Shashy 922 (talk) 12:48, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

The great majority of the refs, for example 7-20, are only name mentions of Sanket Goel. I did not check 1-6. As such, those do not contribute to Wikipedia notability. Unless there are publications ABOUT Goel, not just mentions of projects he has been part of, he may fail notability. That said, academics are rarely written ABOUT, but there are criteria described at Wikipedia:Notability (academics) for establishing notability, including such criteria as holding an endowed chair at a university, winning significant awards and being a member of a reputation-exclusive scientific organization. Being highly cited matters. David notMD (talk) 13:40, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Can I use his google scholar h-index to show how much cited he is? Also I did include his memberships as editor in various scientific journals and also his fellowships such as Fulbright and JSPS. I have also included some awards he has won. I'm still working on finding more references and sources, but I haven't found any 'ABOUT' the subject yet and more on the subject's research and patents. Shashy 922 (talk) 14:30, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

If there are not sources that are about him, discussing him in depth and showing how is notable, he would not merit an article at this time. His work being cited means little unless there are sources that discuss why he is cited a lot. 331dot (talk) 16:39, of 1 April 2023 (UTC)

331dot, this is not a correct summary of WP:ACADEMIC, which is a distinctive notability guideline that does not require "sources that are about him, discussing him in depth". Unusually heavy citation in the relevant academic field is sufficient in itself. Cullen328 (talk) 05:17, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, my bad. I missed that he was an academic. 331dot (talk) 07:12, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Fellowships are not considered significant awards. Same for being on editorial boards of journals. Same for being inventor for issued patents. I doubt being at Fellow level at IETE and IE are prestigious enough to convey notability. David notMD (talk) 17:28, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I found three new sources, 1 which is an interview of him (https://theeducationpost.in/simplest-solution-most-functional-sanket-goel-bits-pilani/) by the Education Times. I believe that this source is really 'ABOUT' the subject as it discuses the subject's roots and visions. Shashy 922 (talk) 03:41, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

I added the references in the draft and have published it. Can you please have a look once again and see if there are any further problems? Shashy 922 (talk) 04:07, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Is there any way I can get it published faster? Shashy 922 (talk) 13:18, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

I found some new sources and have updated the article. Is there anything else to be done with it? Shashy 922 (talk) 08:17, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

How to find pages that need imagery?

I've just been searching for Wikipedia articles in my locality that are lacking imagery. I'd love to be able to give back to Wikipedia by donating some of my time to providing photos for articles in the place I live.

Are there any guidelines on this beyond: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Contact_us/Licensing? For example I found a page about a brewery up the road from me and noticed it has no photo. Can I take a photo of the exterior of the building and upload it to the article?

Also is there any way to list articles without images that are relate to locations in a specific city? I did look at a wikimap but as it's dependent on articles having geocoordinates, I suspect it's only revealing a small number of the articles around me. I'd be delighted to go out on a photo cycle once a month capturing photos of places around me for Wikipedia. Alex Leonard (talk) 12:57, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello Alexleonard and welcome to the Teahouse. Take a look at Special:Nearby. You may be asked to allow Wikipedia to access your location. You will then see a list of articles accompanied by a thumbnail image. If there is no image it is likely that one is required. To switch to a different loction, edit the URL bar with the new longitude and latitude. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:27, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Ah super, thanks so much for the answer. I had a feeling there was something like that but couldn't find it. And whilst it looks quite bare for me (I'm in Berlin, Germany), if I visit the German version https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:In_der_N%C3%A4he there are a lot more local articles listed. I'll scout through there and see if there's anything I can contribute to. Thanks again! Alex Leonard (talk) 13:45, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

@Alexleonard, I'm pretty sure there are categories something like Category:Image requests in Cincinnati or something. Hm... Valereee (talk) 17:18, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Here we go: Category:Wikipedia requested photographs by location Valereee (talk) 17:19, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Oh very cool! I'll keep watching that and see if I can help that way. Thanks! Alex Leonard (talk) 08:44, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

My edit wrongly reverted

Just had my edit reverted. Said not to be constructive. Buchi attended my secondary school but location of College was wrong. Methodist College is in Uzuakoli and not Enugu. Federal Government College is in Enugu. I had sent a message to Buchi Atuonwu that I had made the correction only to find out that it has been wrongly reverted 80.5.207.200 (talk) 08:53, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing up the matter here, rather than reverting the reversion. What the article Buchi Atuonwu needs are reliable sources, so that we have reason to believe that Uzuakoli is correct (or, if ObjectivismLover's suspicions are well founded, that Enugu is correct). If you can't immediately find a reliable source, then you're welcome to start a discussion about the problem at the foot of Talk:Buchi Atuonwu. -- Hoary (talk) 09:04, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Removed Article Submitted for Review - Draft Name

Hello, I wrote an article which was published to Wikipedia and it was removed due to lack of resources. I have since fixed the article and submitted it for review, but wondered if I needed to recreate the article and publish again instead. Also, i noticed that my title has the word "draft", will that disappear once the article is approved/published? Sorry for the questions, but I am a newbie. :) Here is my article: Draft:Hygord Amédée Manywords4u (talk) 11:19, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Manywords4u: the draft has the 'Draft:' prefix as long as it remains unpublished, in the draft space.

You say you have submitted it for review, but you haven't. I can do that for you, if you'd like.

That being said, the draft would only be declined, as it is almost entirely unreferenced (which is especially a problem in articles on living people), and there is no evidence that the subject is notable in Wikipedia terms. For that reason, I would suggest that you continue working on it before submitting it. Best, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:26, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank You for the quick response. So my references section at the bottom will not suffice? Manywords4u (talk) 11:45, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@Manywords4u: What is needed is to demonstrate that this person is "notable" in Wikipedia’s meaning of the term. That requires references that are (1) independent of him, (2) reliable, and (3) deal with him in-depth. We do not need many references, but we need high-quality ones.

Of your three references, two are related to institutes/foundations that he is involved in, and the last is a journal piece they wrote. All of those fail part (1).

If you cannot find adequate references, the article will not be accepted, no matter how much you work on it. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 11:58, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@Manywords4u Along with the rest of the great advice, note that the sources that you want to use, as references, are from published material that talks about him. We don't need to know (only) what he has done, but what others have said about him. Good luck. David10244 (talk) 03:40, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank You for all the wonderful advice. All of you at the teahouse have been very helpful. Much appreciated. Manywords4u (talk) 01:40, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

You've linked each of his books to amazon.fr via amzn.eu. I'm surprised that you've linked each to a retailer, and I'm also surprised that Wikipedia hasn't yet put amzn.eu on its blacklist (for being a redirecting service). Incidentally, if the books are "translated into several languages (English, French, Creole)", then which language(s) are they translated from? Other problems: Why is "Education" treated at more length than is any other section, and where are the sources for it? And most importantly (and as raised above), where are three in-depth, reliable sources about the man? -- Hoary (talk) 12:06, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Remove the hyperlinks for the books. Career needs dates (years) and refs. Education needs refs. Everything needs refs. Listing his books is OK but contributes zero to confirming notability because self-published. David notMD (talk) 12:42, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank You. I removed the amazon links. How would I reference Education? I will add the dates (years) for the career events. Manywords4u (talk) 13:28, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Hygord Amédée has two paragraphs about his education. Where did you get this information? It there a publication to cite? Information about a living person may be true, but unless it can be verified by citing a reliable source reference it cannot be in the article. Same for career information. If your source is from speaking with or corresponding with Hygord Amédée, that cannot be used. What people say or write about themselves is not a reliable source. That includes published interviews. David notMD (talk) 14:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@Manywords4u, you've uploaded a photo of the subject as "own work". Are you indeed in contact with them? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:54, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

I am still not seeing why he is notable in any aspect. His books are self-published (which anyone in the world can do). Very few references to support this as an article let alone a BLP. How is he notable enough to be included in the encyclopedia? I honestly think that is where you need to start the draft and work on that section. Right now it reads to me as you are writing this because you are the subject of the article (and I’m assuming good faith that you are not) but the wording and lack of what is needed for a BLP is simply not there. 2600:8801:CA05:EF00:78CC:6741:3C62:5708 (talk) 09:23, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

User Page

How to create a user page for authors 49.37.223.199 (talk) 15:51, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. User pages are for Wikipedia editors to tell about themselves as Wikipedia editors. Here's my user page. Are you asking how to write an encyclopedia article about an author? (which is very different) 331dot (talk) 15:58, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Also to note ip editors such as yourself and myself do not have user pages. You would need to create a named account first if that is what you are asking about (I.e. 331dots user page). 2600:8801:CA05:EF00:78CC:6741:3C62:5708 (talk) 10:17, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Geographical References

Hi,

I have a very specific question with MOS:GEOCOMMA, which states the following:

"In geographical references that include multiple levels of subordinate divisions (e.g., city, state/province, country), a comma separates each element and follows the last element unless followed by other punctuation. The last element is treated as parenthetical."

What about Washington, D.C., or other similarly abbreviated multi-level geographical references, when not being used at the end of a sentence? In this way, "D.C." is followed by "other punctuation," but it is not being treated as parenthetical without a comma.

This may just be an edge case, but I have seen many instances with and without the comma, and not for other grammatical reasons so am very curious about it.

Thank you.

Edward Bednar (talk) 23:19, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

In general, I would say that either of the following are correct:

• Washington, D.C., has many lobbyists.
• There are many lobbyists in Washington, D.C.

This is how parenthetical commas are handled for locations in general. ( https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/qanda/data/faq/topics/Abbreviations/faq0048.html ) You'll probably receive a more thorough answer if you post to the Manual of Style talk page. I hope this helped, Rjjiii (talk) 01:34, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Rjjiii. Appreciate the input and reference to the Chicago MOS. I'm more familiar with APA. I'll post the question to the MOS talk page. I should have also mentioned that I have seen many instances without the parenthetical comma on prominent political articles (e.g., articles about presidents), which I won't edit without knowing how to handle per the Wikipedia MOS, with certainty. Thanks again. Ed Edward Bednar (talk) 13:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Template for quoting ChatGPT on chat pages

Is there a template that can be used for quoting ChatGPT on chattalk pages? Ideally a template that is aesthetically pleasing to the various readers, and makes clear the authorship and copyright status of the quoted text. Walt Yoder (talk) 17:28, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

There are no chat pages on Wikipedia, and ChatGPT should never be quoted in Wikipedia as it is not a reliable published source. If you can explain exactly what you want to do and why, we might be able to give you a better answer. Shantavira|^{feed me} 18:09, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

In most contexts, "chat" and "talk" are synonyms, and after mentioning ChatGPT I had the wrong word on my mind. Walt Yoder (talk) 18:41, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I would like discussions like the current one at Talk:Leather flying helmet to be more cromulent. Walt Yoder (talk) 18:41, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm not a host, but I'm pretty sure ChatGPT is not reliable, ChatGPT knows barely anything about the world post-2021, and you might miss a change or event that happened after that. Also, I'm not sure how you'd cite ChatGPT... Vamsi20 (talk) 20:01, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

@Walt Yoder, @Vamsi20 Proposals for a possible future policy on the use of such large language models within Wikipedia are being developed at WP:LLM. This already includes suggestions for their use (and attribution) on Talk Pages. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:46, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Citing an affidavit

I'm looking to cite an affidavit (see here) in an article I'm currently writing but I'm unsure of how to do so or if I'm even allowed to do so. Help would be appreciated. --Dawnbails (talk) 16:57, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

@Dawnbails, is WP:BLPPRIMARY on topic here? If not, I guess cite web is ok, pagenumber might be good to include. Also, I don't think it helps the case for WP:N. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:08, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

To Dream film

hi, I just made a movie page and the infobox informations doesn't show and I would like some help. There is the link:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?create=Create+new+article+draft&editintro=Template%3AAfC+draft+editintro&preload=Template%3AAfc+preload%2Fdraft&summary=--+Draft+creation+using+the+%5B%5BWP%3AArticle+wizard%5D%5D+--&title=Draft%3ATo_Dream# Veganpurplefox (talk) 21:50, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Veganpurplefox. The infobox Template should go before the lead section. Also, you have an excess reference tag at the end of the infobox that may possibly be suppressing the display. Cullen328 (talk) 22:16, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I'm not to to understand what "before the lead section"? Veganpurplefox (talk) 22:21, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I have made some changes but it still doesn't show Veganpurplefox (talk) 22:31, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Veganpurplefox, you're asking about Draft:To Dream. You might attend to its prose. Just from the (short) lead:

• "Independant" → "independent"
• "The cast also include" → "The cast also includes"

and I don't understand "escape his life to America". -- Hoary (talk) 22:21, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

basically Luke's dad is abusive and Tommy's mom is depressed so both want to escape their lives into another country ,idk if it makes more sense? Veganpurplefox (talk) 22:24, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Veganpurplefox, "Both want to escape their lives to America as Luke's dad abuse abuses him and Tommy's mom doesn't tale take care of him as she only stares all she does is stare at the TV." -- Hoary (talk) 22:37, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Fixed the typos thank you! The infobox infos still doesnt show up though Veganpurplefox (talk) 22:43, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I also wonder why there is no "submission" table where I can find more sources and images. It supposed to be on top of everything Veganpurplefox (talk) 22:59, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Veganpurplefox. The infobox displays properly now, but your references are completely inadequate to establish the notability of this film, and that issue is far more important than an infobox issue. Infoboxes are optional, after all, but high quality references are mandatory. Cullen328 (talk) 05:30, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

I wanted to add that there seems to be a conflict between the release date of 2016 (more hits on this date) and 2018 (only one hit on this date). I don’t see anything major about the movie except very low ratings and no nominations or awards were given. 2600:8801:CA05:EF00:78CC:6741:3C62:5708 (talk) 09:44, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Is this link better then?https://metro.co.uk/2016/07/23/diverse-future-of-uk-film-revealed-at-british-urban-film-festival-launch-6022375/ Veganpurplefox (talk) 17:32, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

the genre and studio in infobox still doesn't appear. The film was completed in 2016 buut

aswworld released online in 2018. I added a new source from Microsoft

c Veganpurplefox (talk) 11:47, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Pakhal Sarkar Article

Hello senior Wikipedia Editors. I have added information after reading Hazara Gazetteer 1883 and Hazara Gazetteer 1907. Pakhal Sarkar was a kingdom and I want to add template like I have seen in other Kingdom pages . please somebody add an template to that page so I became able to add information into the template Gibari Sultan (talk) 18:55, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Pakhal Sarkar   Maproom (talk) 19:38, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

See Template:Infobox country. Maproom (talk) 19:42, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Want to create an article.

Dont know if this is the right place to do this- im very new to wikipedia editing, but I want to make an article on the pyrotechnics incident in Montreal while Metallica was performing. Can someone please help me? Squebbs the Pebbs (talk) 19:08, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome! This help page will explain how to create your first article better than I can and there are links to all the resources you should need on there. Be sure you have enough reliable sources and that your subject is sufficiently notable! WPscatter ^t/_c 19:22, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

@Squebbs the Pebbs Welcome to the Teahouse! Creating a new article from scratch is extremely challenging, and new editors are strongly recommended to spend a few months learning how Wikipedia works, by making improvements to some of our existing six million articles before trying it. When you do decide to have a go at a new article, you are highly encouraged to read WP:Your first article. If you haven't already also check out WP:TUTORIAL; it's a lot of fun! Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:31, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

There is enough information on the 1992 incident that you may be able to create and submit a referenced draft, but for a new editor, I would suggest instead creating a section in the Metallica article. See Help:Referencing for beginners on how to format refs. And perhaps use your own Sandbox to work on the text and refs, only moving the content to the article when everything works. David notMD (talk) 20:03, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Actually, the 1986–1994 section of the Metallica article already has a few sentences about the incident. Does it merit more detail? David notMD (talk) 20:08, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

what is the "Subject/headline" bar

On this page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk&action=edit&section=new&nosummary=1&preload=Template:AfC_submission/draft/HD_preload&preloadparams%5B%5D=Draft:William_J._McGowan

I see the instruction:

First, copy and paste the following code in the 'Subject/headline' bar: 18:11:39, 2 April 2023 review of submission by Applemcg

---

I've copied the "following code", and am looking for the "Subject/headline" bar to paste it.

~ applemcg, aka martymcg@fastmail.com

p.s. it seems quite obtuse to me Applemcg (talk) 18:14, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

@Applemcg, at the top of that page there are three numbered items. Number 1 is the one you quoted; it starts with "If you see two empty white boxes below, one small and one big, please complete the following, ...". But as you observe, there are not two white boxes below. So reading further, item number 2 says "If you see a single big input box below, which starts with ...". And if you look below, you will see that there is indeed a single big box which starts with that text. So you should ignore item number 1 and follow the instructions for item number 2. CodeTalker (talk) 18:57, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Here is an example link where it applies, but your link is preferred so don't use mine. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:59, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

then, _please_ clarify the first instruction, since i saw a white box under the first bullet and another white box under the second bullet.

i.e. = two white boxes.

again the curmudgeon, if it's possible to misinterpret an instruction, don't make the reader pay for it.

I suspect your instruction here will suffice. Thank you. Applemcg (talk) 19:15, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

@Applemcg: Do you se empty white boxes? I see text lines with black text on white background. The whole area has pink background and several empty parts but none of them enclosed in a way which could be called a box. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:42, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

indeed. my mistake, of course,

however, it might help to emphasize EMPTY, as I saw TWO ... WHITE boxes.

alternatively, it might make more sense to swap bullets 1 and 2. As a developer, it's taken me quite a while to recall, reading Code Complete, I believe:

That while "IF boolean THEN do this if true ELSE do this other ENDIF",

the boolean expression should be cast to a negative declaration in order to put the shorter action in the THEN clause, which is clearly the case here.

exceptions occur for 'the obvious default' or performance reasons.

-----

also, on the matter of a BOX*, i was looking for box on the Draft page. it might then be instructive to point out the BOX on THIS page?!

(*) er. maybe i conflated "box" and "bar"

-----

But most of all, I Thank You for helping me clear this hurdle. I've resubmitted the Draft. more thanks. Applemcg (talk) 20:56, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Adding signatures to artists infoboxes

I saw that Peter Paul Rubens has a signature so I tried adding a signature to another artist and it didn’t allow me to do so, they both have the same type infobox “Infobox: artist”. How do I add a signature to artist infoboxes? ✠ Robertus Pius ✠ (Talk • Contribs) 17:19, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

The Infobox: Artist does not appear to have a dedicated parameter for signatures, as you identified correctly. In this kind of scenario, you can usually check the source code or the template parameters on the page that you're taking inspiration from. For example, the Peter Paul Rubens infobox solves this by using the "module" parameter. That parameter is given the following text: "{{Infobox person|child=yes :| signature = Rubens autograph.png}}". You can probably replicate this for any other article with an artist infobox if there is an image file of that artist's signature. Good luck! Actualcpscm (talk) 17:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Ah I see, I didn’t even notice, thank you so much! ✠ Robertus Pius ✠ (Talk • Contribs) 17:42, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Any time :) Actualcpscm (talk) 21:00, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

How to manage watchlist

Since I started using Twinkle to revert vandalism, my watchlist has been useless. It's full of pages that were vandalized and un-vandalized weeks ago. While this can be useful while patrolling recent changes, I now can't keep track of pages I actually care about. I assume there's an obvious solution to this that I'm missing. 〜 Festucalex • talk 13:06, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

When you're looking at your watchlist, there's a link at the top that says "Edit your list of watched pages". Click that and you can manage your list of watched pages. --Jayron32 13:19, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

And if your watchlist is currently set to add all articles that you edit to it, you might want to turn that off in your preferences. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 13:22, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

@Festucalex: I use a script called watchlist cleaner which will allow you to clean out your watchlist with various settings (Such as removing articles you haven't edited in a while, articles you've never edited, or articles that have been deleted). You might find it useful for your needs. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I'm aware of that, but I have around 300 pages in there. I can't go around manually deleting 50 pages from the watchlist every time I patrol recent changes. Isn't there a way to automatically exclude pages added by Twinkle? 〜 Festucalex • talk 13:55, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Festucalex, see Wikipedia:Twinkle/Preferences#Revert and rollback. It has a setting "When reverting a page, how long to watch it for:" Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:57, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

300 pages is nothing compared to my 5,131 pages lol ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:58, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I should probably clean that out at some point... ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:00, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Eeeek!! I watch ~30 and thought that was a lot. David notMD (talk) 15:06, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

That's what happens when I have it set to watch pages upon rollback and I use SWViewer (annoyingly I can't tell it to only watch them for 30 days) ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:09, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

All you need to do is adjust your twinkle settings so that pages you revert aren’t automatically added to your watchlist. Juckchurd (talk) 21:02, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

HELP!

I need help understanding why my article is not being accepted. Can someone help? We are a cancer fundraising bike ride and just looking to get our information to the public. 100% of our profits go to Sarcoma cancer research. So when we get a decline, it hurts. Thanks 65.60.141.251 (talk) 20:52, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. That is exactly the wrong reason to write an article; it is a promotional purpose. Wikipedia is not a place for organizations to tell the world about themselves, even if they do good work. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a topic. 331dot (talk) 20:56, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

It does not matter that your organization is volunteer effort for a good cause. Your draft still needs to comply with Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) if it is going to be accepted. Cullen328 (talk) 21:13, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I have been submitting articles to publications since the 1970s, and know that all have specific rules and regulations for what they will publish. Wikipedia, an online encyclopedia, is no exception. I’m sure your cancer fundraiser is a worthwhile organization, and I hope that you are able to find ways to publicize the yearly bike ride. You may want to consider contacting newspapers, radio and television stations near Delaware, Ohio. Perhaps starting your own website or Facebook account would be worthwhile. Best wishes on your fundraising efforts. Karenthewriter (talk) 01:53, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

It’s because your article would be promotional in nature (i.e. intended solely to advertise whatever fundraising thing you’re doing). No one at Wikipedia cares about whatever cancer charity you’re trying to advertise and you will probably be blocked if you persist in trying to promote your organisation. Juckchurd (talk) 21:12, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Draft:CRFR - Ride for Reason has no refs about the ride. David notMD (talk) 03:14, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

How to close a space?

In Herman Melville, in the section on "Education and father's death," footnote numeral 24 is two lines below the indented quote to which it should be attached. Under "Edit source," no space is apparent. What is the problem with this? Maurice Magnus (talk) 21:43, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Maurice Magnus, and welcome to the Teahouse. The problem was that the {{sfnp}} citation template was outside the {{Cquote}} template, which indents the quote and ends the paragraph. I fixed it by moving the citation inside.  Done. ColinFine (talk) 22:36, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Why is that page flagged for review?

Hello! I'm new. I looked through the list of articles to improve and found this one. The improvement hint says to look for spelling, grammar, and tone. The page also has on on-page warning about tone, dating back to May 2022.

I see neither spelling errors, nor grammar errors. I also see nothing wrong with the tone of the article.

Am I missing something? Wandermunch (talk) 03:37, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Nothing obvious, Wandermunch, no. Here's how the article has changed from when the "improvement hint" (template) was attached until now: perhaps edits made during this period improved the article considerably. Feel free to remove the template. -- Hoary (talk) 04:36, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Wandermunch (talk) 22:56, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Confusion about Egyptian Super Cup

There is a state of lack of clarity about what is the most appropriate time frame for the titles of the Egyptian Super Cup articles. Unusually, this cup is attributed to the season in which the league and the local cup champions were crowned, not the year. Source from RSSSF. Sakiv (talk) 20:56, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Sakiv and Welxome to the Teahouse! I am unable to find what question you need and answer to. This comment may be better placed on the talk page of the article. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 21:31, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

This is the article for debate.--Sakiv (talk) 23:21, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Please read the channel description.

one thing i noticed is that non-rhythm games usually don't have their tracks listed... except for when they do. it seems that mostly occurs when the soundtrack is mostly preexisting songs from people not related to the game in question's development, but there was a whole debate about that around hotline miami episode ii: the jacketing's article (see history and talk pages, but mostly talk), where it got deleted because of vgscope, but it seems fine around games slightly more focused on their funny noises (see ddr for an example)

is there some sort of pattern to it besides that, or is it really something that should stick to rhythm games but gets put in other articles anyway? cogsan (talk) 22:45, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps you'd be more likely to get informed and helpful responses if you posted this question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games. -- Hoary (talk) 23:58, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

fair enough, even though this isn't really a big thing

i guess i'll just have to look there once i remember to find examples from games i actually play cogsan (talk) 00:31, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Do redirects normally get reviewed?

4 months ago I renamed an article, which should have been renamed 13 years ago when it's name changed.

Today I got a notification to say that the redirect (for the article with the old name) had been reviewed.

Are redirects normally reviewed?

I would have thought that the article with the new name is what should be reviewed, unless that's what "reviewing a redirect" entails. Danstarr69 (talk) 05:13, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Redirects are normally reviewed, yes. The article you renamed was presumably already reviewed by the time you moved it. Reviewing is done by WP:NPP to newly created pages. -- asilvering (talk) 05:24, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Repeating new citations

In January I received a reply to my question about repeating citations which applied to already used citations. (Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1177#Repeat citations) How, using Visual Editor, can a new citation be used in different places in an article? Mcljlm (talk) 00:50, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Just click on the reference and use ctrl+c and ctrl+v to copy-paste the ref. Simple! But make sure you check the page once you've published it, since this can break in unexpected ways if you edit the reference. -- asilvering (talk) 05:28, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

What is the MOS guideline for a certain style of writing...

If an article has several instances of:

In June, thing happened.

In August, such and such happened. What is the relevant MOS guideline for this? I can't quite remember it off the top of my head but I do remember it should be avoided.... many thanks. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 04:23, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi X750. I believe what you're looking for is WP:PROSELINE; please note, however, that is just an WP:ESSAY, which means it might be a good idea in many cases but not really something that necessarily needs to be done. So, before you start an extensive rewritting of any articles, you might want to be WP:CAUTIOUS and discuss things on the article's talk page first. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:51, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Of course. My mistake for recalling it as a guideline, but indeed, that is what I was looking for. Cheers Marchjuly. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 04:58, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

X750 I do that a lot with film/TV people I update occasionally, as I know nothing about them most of the time, other than what films/TV shows they've worked on. Even if I do know who they are, I never know what to write, so it's easier for me to just list the years and say things like:

In 2010, they appeared in "film 1" directed by "writer." They also appeared in "film 2" written and directed by "writer 2."

In 2011, they appeared in "TV show 1" written and produced by "writer 3." Danstarr69 (talk) 05:23, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Yeah nah no problem with it Danstarr69, I was just curious. X750. Spin a yarn? _{Articles I've screwed over?} 05:43, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

When a celebrity dies - How is their page edited so fast?

whenever there is a celebrity death, the moment it is announced I go to Wikipedia and someone has already changed their profile to say "was" and edited the article to be in the past tense.

I remember when Michael Jackson died. I heard the first news report about it and already it had been changed. It's bizzare. MrBauer24 (talk) 05:45, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@MrBauer24, here's an article about that from 2018:[21]. And, of course, there's Deaditor. There are a lot more people than the regular editors who knows that they can edit, and it seems that when people see this particular error, it makes sense to them to correct it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:11, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

MrBauer24, it is a well known fact going back hundreds of years that mass media interest surges after the death of a celebrity. Since Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit and there are many many millions of people constantly monitorig the internet news and social media ecosystem, it is not surprising that there would be countless people rushing to edit Wikipedia when a celebrity dies. A problem is that false death reports are frequent, and we have the obligation to get it right. Cullen328 (talk) 07:30, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Deaditor redirects to Death and Wikipedia, which starts Death and Wikipedia includes all discussions of how Wikipedia editors present death of public figures. Which is one of the more leaden of the opening sentences I've encountered. Incidentally, in the second sentence the article appears to change its mind: Wikipedia editors, plural, don't attend to this solemn task; the "Wikipedia community", singular, does. So fix it would be a reasonable response; but I plead laziness. -- Hoary (talk) 09:03, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary, based on your "leaden" comment, I boldly changed this to say "Death and Wikipedia discusses how Wikipedia editors present the death of public figures." The first part definitely needed changing, and "the" was sorely lacking. David10244 (talk) 03:34, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

David10244, thank you; I thereupon perpetrated this. I hardly touched that opening sentence, which strikes me as superfluous. As for the rest of the article, although it purports to be about "Wikipedia", I suspect that most if not all of it is about English-language Wikipedia. (What it says may very well be true of other-language Wikipedias, but most of the article cites English-language US sources, and experience tells me that in these, "Wikipedia" generally means English-language Wikipedia.) -- Hoary (talk) 07:26, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary I like everything you did there. Especially changing "articles of" to "articles about"... You simplified some of the other prose, which is always good. I dither between "the media has" vs. "the media have", but it's not worth worrying about. I also considered "the deaths of public figures" instead of "death", but I left "death". On to something more cheerful now... Thanks. David10244 (talk) 13:16, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

David10244, I have to say that editing this article doesn't thrill me either. If I experience a passing appetite for the morbid, I'd rather reach for a slim volume of Edward Gorey. -- Hoary (talk) 22:05, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

@Hoary I know what you mean. Gorey is great! David10244 (talk) 06:23, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Pixels

If the normal size of a file contains 307 pixels, how can I make higher resolutions of that file? Flag Creator (talk) 13:41, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

You can't. I suppose strictly speaking reducing the size will increase the resolution, but you can't retrieve information that is not there. See Image resolution. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:55, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

@Shantavira if you didn't, you would be instantly wealthy for finding a way for companies to transmit data with lower broadband costs. Netflix would love it! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 15:13, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

@Flag Creator: If you mean the uploaded file is 307 px and you want to display a larger version then it's not possible in our MediaWiki software. If you try to specify a larger size then it's just displayed at the uploaded size. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:22, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

@Shantavira Don't you watch detective shows on TV? They frequently "enhance" a picture, such as a grainy security camera image, so they can see a face or read a license plate. We just need to do what they do! David10244 (talk) 13:36, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Flag Creator I use [22]https://www7.lunapic.com/editor/?action=quick-upload to edit images. Simply upload an image, change either the dimensions, frames, size, type or quality, press apply, then press save. If you want to change more than one thing, just reupload the edited image, change something else, press apply again, and press save again. Danstarr69 (talk) 06:45, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Draft Decline

Hello Teahouse members, I created Draft:Sangramsingh Thakur and it was rejected by User:Akevsharma which is Sockpuppet after that User:Bonadea rejected my draft for reasons the draft do not show significant coverage but according to Wikipedia WP:PUBLISHED WP:RS I'm citing all sources with Draft there have also significant projects available on Wikipedia with name and also some WP:REF available. So please help me about it. Rajmama (talk) 14:51, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Rajmama Articles about this person were deleted three times backin 2018-19. Because of the repeats, "This page has been protected so only extended confirmed users can create it." You do not qualify. For your draft, it has been Declined (not Rejected) twice for insufficient referencing. I agree. Your refs mention Thakur by name, but do not have at-length content about him. The other reason also exists, as you are not extended confirmed yet. David notMD (talk) 15:01, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@Rajmama: WP:SIGCOV states that "Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention". In order to demonstrate notability for inclusion in Wikipedia, you would need to find multiple published reliable sources that discuss Thakur's work in detail, not just a mention that he appears in a particular film. I also added a few {{citation needed}} tags to point out unreferenced information in your draft. GoingBatty (talk) 16:24, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty thank you for your suggestion. I have one more doubt, as I'm started working on thakur's Draft I have read all articles and sources related to Indian Predator: Murder In A Courtroom and I saw thakur is one of the pararal lead actor of the series and I'm added his name in that series in starring section but user:bonadea removed his name for a reason he is not a actor of this series and said attached sources.after that I'm added his name with sources but he again removed his name and this time he give me reason for that I'm promoting him. So I'm asking all wikipedians that Is creating articles of specific topic on Wikipedia or contributing on Wikipedia it that means you promoting them? Rajmama (talk) 12:25, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@Rajmama: I don't know what "pararal" is supposed to mean. Some (but not all) people use Wikipedia for promotion, which is not what Wikipedia is for. Per the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, you may post at Talk:Indian Predator: Murder In A Courtroom to discuss your suggestions and concerns with Bonadea and other interested editors and come to a consensus. GoingBatty (talk) 13:23, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty it's an typical mistake its Parallel not pararal. And I'm also concerned with Bonadea but according to him I'm promoting thakur but I'm just contributing. so what can I do now? should i leave it in the middle? Rajmama (talk) 14:06, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Again: a) Since Thakur is not notable at this point, you will only be wasting your own time if you try to create an article about him. b) No reliable, independent sourcing has supported the claim that Thakur is a "parallel lead" in the TV series. As you know, the source you added is neither reliable nor independent, and it doesn't make that claim in any case. It's rather odd to keep adding that one name, and not either of the narrators or any of the rest of the cast... c) This guideline (which you have also been asked to read) discusses how to list cast members, including non-starring cast that are worth mentioning, in an article. --bonadea contributions talk 20:07, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

thank you @Bonadea for your suggestion and guidance. Rajmama (talk) 21:32, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

You can recreate the article, but make sure you have a lot of references to make the subject appear notable and it will be less likely to get declined. Juckchurd (talk) 21:00, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

@Juckchurd That advice is not stated very well. An article does not need "a lot of references", it needs a few good references to demonstrate notability. And the references must show that the subject is notable; we shouldn't try to make something appear notable if it's not.

I realize that a lot of (especially the new) editors want to create an article. Their focus becomes "how can I make it look like this subject is notable", or "help, I am having trouble finding sources to support what I have written". Instead, they should be asking themselves "is this subject notable, or not?". In an ideal world, the new editor who wants to create an article will look for references, and if very few, or none, are found, they would say "ok, I tried; this subject must not be ready for an encyclopedia article" instead of (this happens occasionally) arguing with the helpers, or begging to have an article accepted that is short on references. Not all new editors are like this, but some are. I realize it's hard if you have your heart set on creating a specific article and the sources are not there. (The question comes up, "where did you get all of the information you wrote?" If it's from a reliable source, then cite it; otherwise, delete it.)

Sorry, that wasn't all directed at you, @Juckchurd. I went on a bit of a tangent. David10244 (talk) 07:08, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

When is it necessary to create album pages for artists?

Can I create an album page for an artist? Squarcillow (talk) 08:04, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Squarcillow Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you are referring to creating an article about an album(the parts of the encyclopedia are called "articles", not "pages"), an album merits an article if it meets the notability criteria for albums, as shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources. 331dot (talk) 09:08, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

I guess I can't then. Squarcillow (talk) 09:43, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

There are different ways to create articles. Just avoid one of the article creation routes that is likely to have someone critically analyzing the content to high standards. Probably your best bet is to become autoconfirmed by waiting four days and making ten edits. After that, you will be able to create pages in main space and it might take several days for a random person separate from AfC to review it. In general, the more references you have, the better chances article has of not being deleted because it will seem more notable. I hope this helps! Juckchurd (talk) 21:08, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

As I mentioned above, a topic needs to be notable, and the references need to show that. We are not trying to make something seem notable if it's not. Too many references, especially poor ones, can obscure the good ones. If an article has an excessive number of references, reviewers might be put off by having to wade through them. David10244 (talk) 07:31, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Also, if you don't have experience creating articles, then using the WP:YFA process is strongly recommended. Becoming autoconfirmed and then placing articles directly in mainspace is not a good idea for a new editor. David10244 (talk) 07:34, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Rewording

Hello all - I have posed a question on a televised shows talk page talk:Barnwood_Builders#Changes about the wording used in the article. The show doesn’t build just homes and such anymore. They build other buildings as well and also started a store where they use reclaimed wood and other reclaimed parts to build things to sell like kitchen carts, bars, etc. I wanted to get input from the community on how to best address this premise change. Thanks. 2600:8801:CA05:EF00:78CC:6741:3C62:5708 (talk) 09:27, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello IP, and welcome to the Teahouse! Great job seeking community consensus on your proposed changes. I would wait for other users to comment on the discussion, but if you do end up making the changes, be sure to cite reliable sources. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 10:21, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

@Illusion Flame: Thanks! That is why I wanted to seek this as I saw a few episodes tonight and looked up the article which hadn’t had any major changes in a long time, especially on the lede where it cited an old reference from when the show started. I can work on finding some references somehow even though reading the episode descriptions well tell you alone “The team outfits a standard office with reclaimed wood and turns it into their new store…” I am assuming the description for the episode would not be an acceptable reference? 2600:8801:CA05:EF00:78CC:6741:3C62:5708 (talk) 10:34, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

References should be written material published on reliable websites or books. - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 10:36, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Or magazines or newspapers.  :-) David10244 (talk) 07:41, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

New Page

I recently finished writing my first article and submitted it through 'publish changes' in my sandbox, but during that, when I put in the title in the space, it said no such draft existed. I googled the same and followed this article. but now my sandbox is the article and that's not what I wanted? also I'd like to have it reviewed, which doesn't seem possible now. What can I do to revert that? Really sorry for the incompetence Nautilusblue8 (talk) 10:52, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Nautilusblue8, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your sandbox contains a redirect to the article: you can edit your sandbox, and remove the redirect - you might blank it, or you might start a new article there.

You moved the article direct to 2022–23 Brisbane Heat season, which is permitted, but possibly unwise for a relatively inexperienced editor. It would have been better to have submitted it for review, by adding {{subst:submit}} at the top.

What will probably happen now is that it will get reviewed by new pages patrol (which is a different process, and a different group of reviewers, from AFC review). My guess is that they will decide that it has a lack of independent sources with significant coverage of the subject, and move it back to draft space, where it can be worked on and resubmitted. (Please see WP:42 for what, in my view, is needed). ColinFine (talk) 11:14, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Alright, thank you! I've noted what I did wrong and I'll try my best to not do that again. Thanks, regardless :) Nautilusblue8 (talk) 12:05, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Nautilusblue8, the article seems to be about some team sport that involves throwing or batting or both, but even this isn't clear. (Baseball? Cricket? Something else?) Also, no article should have a top-level header -- one that if you were using the source editor would look = Like this = with single equals signs (sorry, the "visual editor" is a complete mystery to me). -- Hoary (talk) 11:19, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Now I've read the article you pointed (https://thinking.is.ed.ac.uk/wiki-basics/mastering-the-visual-editor-drafting-your-1st-article-in-the-sandbox) I can say that it is bad advice for new editors, in that it tells you to move your draft from the sandbox to article space, rather than using WP:AFC and getting it reviewed. ColinFine (talk) 12:10, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Please help me to upload a photograph for content i have made as i am not clear

Hello please help me to upload a photograph related to a content i have made by the title Deshbhakti Ke Pavan Teerth. I am not the author of the book but i have made the content here. I dont have the copyright of the image but i am creating this wikipedia page. So in this case who shall be the owner and who shall have copyright of the image i upload. Please help. LINK OF THE CONTENT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deshbhakti_Ke_Pavan_Teerth Raksha57 (talk) 11:39, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

@Raksha57 welcome to Teahouse. Book covers by default have the same copyright restrictions as the book. As this book does not indicate it is freely licensed, the cover is not either. You cannot upload an image to Wikimedia Commons nor does WP:NONFREE criteria apply. The publisher of the book typically owns the copyright. Your article is tagged with a number of issues and I would prioritize those first. An image will not fix those specifically. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:11, 3 April 2023 (UTC)