User talk:Deb

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Deletion of UpStage page-------

hi deb, i see that you have deleted the UpStage page; i didn't know it existed before, & was going to create it because in the discussion about whether or not to keep the Cyberformance page, it was agreed that there should be an UpStage page. it seems that someone else must have created it, but can you tell me why you deleted it? was there any discussion about it?

thanks, User:Frock —Preceding undated comment was added at 03:33, 1 October 2008 (UTC).

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Deletion of Wecosign page--------

Hello Deb, I noticed that you deleted our entry based on (G11:Blatant advertising). I'm sorry for the violation. I had not finished my entry and since this my first attempt on Wikipedia, can you give me one more opportunity? I will accept any direction to be compliant.

Thanks, Wecomedia (talk) 20:56, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of article on Ergo Software

Hi Deb, You deleted our entry on our new semantic web tool claiming it was advertising. Basically Ergo is a semantic web and WDS clustering tool which we have written (mainly for Vista at the moment). We are also writing a Silverlight version (in Alpha stage). Basically it can cluster results from connectors such as Google, Wikipedia !!, Yahoo and MS Live....

It is an extremely useful piece of software, which we have got lots of 3rd party references for (such as Scientific American, CNBC etc etc). It also by the nature of integrating a Wikipedia connector helps spread the use of Wikipedia as a source of information.

It is much more relevant a notable than something like Tafiti (which is just eye candy, but Microsoft have got their own page which hasn't been deleted....)

Your support would be much appreciated !!

Many thanks,

Justin 79.123.58.10 (talk) 13:59, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

RE: SRO

Ahh i see thanks. Brent01 (talk) 07:14, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Silkroad Online

Why did you delete the article on Silkroad Online, it was very informative and MUST be restored. It is deffinetely significant as it is one of the most played (around 10th) online game on the internet. (according to Xfire it is played for 1 and a half million hours a day by only 5000 people registered with xfire yet there is atleast 5x the ammount of that number playing on the international erver at any given time, with the korean and japanese version being even more played leading me to believe it is played more then World Of Warcraft

Brent01 (talk) 10:48, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Judith Wallerstein

Hi Deb,

First of all, I ask that the article on Judith Wallerstein be restored. While I know next to nothing about her, She is a frequently-cited "expert in divorce proceedings", and I was looking to wikipedia for a synopsis of her. Her work is cited on two pages in wikipedia, and this was indicated on the discussion page of the article.

Second, if this satisfies the criteria for having a wikipedia page, how is that best indicated? If not, why not?

I am concerned by the eagerness to delete articles - particularly stubs that may not yet contain useful information - from wikipedia. Is there any summary available of the justifications for this behaviour? Is the total data size of wikipedia of concern (particularly in the case where an article is unlikely to be popular)

118.90.49.97 (talk) 00:13, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, that was me!

Brandelf (talk) 00:14, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Deb,

Hi, thanks for editing the article Michael Alexander (academic). I was not sure how to get around the disambiguation. Now I know. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jewpan (talk • contribs) 18:18, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello There, Thanks for renaming the article Kemmannu.NAvin Shetty Brahmavar —Preceding unsigned comment added by Navin Shetty Brahmavar (talk • contribs) 16:00, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello there, welcome to the 'pedia! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. If you need any questions answered about the project then check out Wikipedia:Help or drop me a line. BTW, you have been pretty busy with some British history artilces - Good work! Cheers! --maveric149

Deb, I do not undertand why you think nextbio is spam. I think nextbio is as relevant to have on wikipedia as google or any other searchengine. Do some research about it and maybe you should write the wikipedia page instead? If you do not see the relevance I think i can show you alot of news articles about it. best, Amin —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aminoacid91 (talk • contribs) 20:57, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Deb, I see you have deleted [Cobbler (software)] without first consulting me. Please do not delete this page. It is not advertising as this application is not even sold. If you do not understand the article please leave it as it is not hurting anything. Llamastorm (talk) 23:38, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

/Archive 1 /Archive 2 /Archive 3 /Archive 4 /Archive 5

Nex tbio

Hi Should I try to create a new page? I see have found 4 other life-science search engines and they are up and running, arent they considered as spam? Aminoacid91 (talk) 18:41, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of First Affirmative Financial Network

I saw that you deleted my article about First Affirmative, a company that provides investment solutions for socialy conscious financial advisers and their clients. You only comment was basically "commercial." I am also writting and editing on several other SRI (socially responsible investments" related articles. The reason why I do this is because I am an economic student and just in February discovered SRI. So few people know about it that I feel like it needs to be promoted as it is an important, new way to invest your money. You not just buy any stock, you decide which stock you buy based on how well companies represent your values. Now in America the oldest and probably best known company for SRI is First Affirmative, and that is why they deserve their own wikipedia page. I will put up the article again, and see within the next days why you thought it is a commercial and correct those parts. Instead of simply deleting maybe you want to write a comment and suggest a change. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thelosen (talk • contribs) 15:11, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Transcode (software)

You deleted my article, claiming it was "blatant advertising", without bothering to put up a deletion notice, commenting in the discussion page, or contacting the article's only editor (me). With all due respect, the article I created was not an advertisement; it was a description of the 2nd most popular video transcoding tool for Linux (the most popular, of course, is MEncoder). As an indication of notability, I linked to a review on LWN.net - one of the most respectable news sites oriented towards Linux development. Please explain to me why you had decided the article was a "blatant advertisemnt", and what I can do to revise it. --Tetromino (talk) 22:10, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for replying. However, your reply leaves me with more questions than answers. First, what exactly about the article text made you think it was primarily created for promoting the tool (i.e. how should I change it)? Second, you say that a piece of software is notable if you "could do a google test and find 100,000 references to this particular product", but did you actually do the google test before pressing "delete"? Third, are you saying that a 1500-word review on LWN.net that I had linked to (if you don't know, it is one of the most influential Linux news sources) is not evidence of notability? Finally, as a general comment — deleting an article without giving a rationale (not just saying "blatant spam", but explaining why you think it is spam) and without giving the article author a chance to make changes is extraordinarily unhelpful. --Tetromino (talk) 13:36, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello Deb. I've asked my 3 questions a day ago. During that time, you've been actively editing wikipedia, but you haven't responded; I am not sure how to interpret that. I still don't know why you thought the article's "primary purpose is to promote a product". I don't understand whether you are planning to undelete the article yourself, are waiting for me to recreate it (in which case, I need to know precisely what changes I should make, if any, so that you don't delete it again), or want me to go through the undeletion bureaucracy. Hoping to hear from you, --Tetromino (talk) 13:54, 11 July 2008 (UTC).

I am sorry, but we seem to be talking on different wavelengths. You repeatedly claimed that my article was spam, and as evidence, offered only the link Wikipedia:Spam. I've read that link many times, but I still have no idea why you thought it applied to my article. Which is why I repeatedly asked you to describe precisely what made you think its "primary purpose is to promote a product". As for Wikipedia:Notability, by your own criteria (google hits and reputable sources), my article was notable. As a result, I still don't understand why you had deleted it. Anyway, I have recreated the article with minor changes. If you do not like it, please explain precisely what words or phrases you find objectionable. --Tetromino (talk) 20:38, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for not deleting the replacement article immediately, and for finally giving a detailed explanation for why you don't like it. I have posted some answers to your complaints in the article's discussion page, which I think is a better place than our talk pages (since it would allow other wikipedia users to follow the argument). --Tetromino (talk) 19:07, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Wil Armstrong

I understand your deletion of the page, but was hoping you could give me specific advise to amend it and post it again. I'm a first time wiki user so any other help would be greatly appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dawntreader233 (talk • contribs) 00:22, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Broadsoft Xtended Marketplace article

Hi there, you have deleted my article about the Broadsoft Xtended Marketplace 21:23, 5 April 2008 Deb (Talk | contribs) deleted "Broadsoft Xtended Marketplace" ‎ (G11: Blatant advertising) and I do not believe that this article fits with the advertising terms set "Pages which exclusively promote some entity and which would need to be fundamentally rewritten to become encyclopedic. Note that simply having a company or product as its subject does not qualify an article for this criterion.".

Deletion of Holy Rollerz Part II

Fair enough, thank you. I will look more into those two guidelines.

Skiendog (talk) 21:11, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Holy Rollerz

Hello! Hope this finds you well.

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Holy Rollerz. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review.

I would like to ask that the page Holy Rollerz be restored. The organization is 501(c) government recognized, non-profit, and the largest in the world. Its importance can be understood be this, and their size within the field that they opperate. Magazines and some of the largest news papers in our country have had feature articles on this organization. The annotation of "Spam" would mean that the article was trying to gain membership to the organization, and that clearly holds no water when the article is examined. Nowhere in the article did it take a stance on the organization, the entire wording was in logos speach, not ethos or pathos. It told the facts, explained the importance, and was in appropriate formating.

Please consider this. Skiendog (talk) 21:02, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Aevex submission

Hi. I re-posted an article on "Aevex" technology. You deleted it [17:25, 26 February 2008 Deb deleted "Aevex" ‎(G11: Blatant advertising)]. I deliberately tried to avoid this by modeling the content of the article to match Wikipedia's existing article for "Gore-Tex". If the Aevex article is not acceptable, please help me understand how it differs from the Gore-Tex article and I will gladly modify it. Otherwise, I would hope that if Aevex is not accepted, Gore-Tex would also be rejected. Look forward to hearing from you. Mboone9Mboone9 (talk) 19:59, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

confusing language re:Coryat's Crudities in 1611 Literature

Hi, can you take a look at one of your edits to make it a little less confusing? I don't know what you're trying to say about the book Coryat's Crudities on this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheLamprey (talk • contribs) 05:05, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Mary Davies

Ms.Fisher, Forgive me if this is the wrong way to go about contribuing to the Wiki. It's my first time! I have posted on the Mary Davies entry as follows:

This is not for inclusion in the Wikipedia entry, but I hope will lead to more infomation about Dr.Davies. Please will those who wrote/contributed to the entry on Mary Davies please contact me? She was my third cousin, the grand-daughter of my great-great-great- grandfather. Although I have a wealth of family details and through another relative have recently found photos of her and of a portrait bust executed by her sculptor father (my great-great uncle William), I only recently discovered her eminence in Welsh music. I would very much like to know more. My email address is: john.r.davies@btinternet.com. Thank you John Davies

I'll forward to hearing form you, and anyone else who knows about Dr.Mary Davies. John —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.120.244 (talk) 00:29, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

knitting stitches

Hi, just wondering, how would I need to present a directory of knitting stitches in order for you not to delete it straight away? Thanks Newbohemianknitwear (talk) 12:54, 10 January 2008 (UTC) If you search for 'knitting stitches' now, it takes you to the page on knitting, not the page you've moved the info about knitting stitches to.

Which part of the page 'what wikipedia is not' are you referring to? How do I negotiate the benefits of having an article with links to the many different types of stitch used by knitters?

User:Perfect dark4

Is there is a reason you only blocked them for 60 minutes? I mean, they severly violated WP:CIVIL! I'm not mad or anything, but was there a reason behind it? NASCAR Fan24^{(radio me!)} 21:32, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I'd say 24 hours would be reasonable; they violated a fundamental policy of Wikipedia - perhaps they didn't know of it yet, but from what I've seen, personal attacks and uncivilness are tolerated much less than most things, even repeated vandalism. Thanks for accepting my input and I apologise if I sounded too demanding or harsh. NASCAR Fan24^{(radio me!)} 21:48, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I see your reasoning. Perhaps 60 minutes is enough after all. NASCAR Fan24^{(radio me!)} 21:55, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Persistent editing of Cardiff population figures

Hi Deb, sorry to keep coming to you with complaints (is there a list of Admins for Welsh Wiki Project, or other procedures to follow when an user is mis-behaving?) An unregistered user 172.207.1.234 (and now 172.143.254.12) has been editing projected population figures for Cardiff, despite many requests on the talk page for him/her to stop or provide ANY sources. Judging be his/her replies it's probably quite a young person. The subject in question isn't really that important, and are only projections anyway, but this person refuses to accept the opinions of others or follow Wikipedia rules/guidelines. I don't think a 24 hour block will achieve much as he/she seems to came back every few days, but as Cardiff is quite a major article a blanket block on unregistered users might be unpopular. --Rhyswynne 13:34, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Diolch. But of course you don't have to look for a Welsh admin just because it's the Cardiff article - quite right!--Rhyswynne 12:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Ma'am, Clarkies Newspaper is a perfectly credible newspaper

Ma'am, Clarkies Newspaper is a perfectly credible newspaper, you can look it up on google, and there was no reason for you to delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Genevakrops (talk • contribs) 17:30, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you ... ma'am??

Nice addition to Charles Paget ... I started out with the traitor and then the admiral and only got the notts MP by mistake ... your help is appreciated Victuallers 17:56, 28 October 2007 (UTC). My only aim was humour ms. If your bored then look st Charles Paget the admiral which Im tidying for did you know...tomorrow? if not then see you around ... impressive gnoming Victuallers 18:12, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Did You know -- its there NOW

On 31 October, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Charles Paget (vice-admiral), which you inspired by choosing the wrong %^&&* picture. If you know of another picture which you could supply to a recently created article, then please think first!. You can apply on the Did you know? talk page.

Entirely in jest Victuallers 14:57, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Why was Fist of Dishonor deleted?

Hello,

I just started creating a page for the band Fist of Dishonor. Although the page was by no means fully complete, I believe I did have a valid outline. I see that the deletion log has a comment of "not notable", but there are abundance external, objective sources about the band Fist Of Dishonor - I linked to four separate reviews of the band from independent music periodicals, for example. I plan to link to additional sources as well, although I had not finished the article. In addition, I am not associated with the band or any members of the band in any way, nor do I even particularly consider myself a fan of the band - I was writing the article because the band is particularly novel in their approach. I would appreciate more information about why the article was deleted and what I can do in the future to ensure that the article won't be deleted.

Thanks, Will Hertling

WilliamHertling 22:34, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi Deb,

Thanks for taking the time to give me some great "getting started" links on my user page. I truly appreciate that.

From the criteria that you listed for musicians or ensembles, I believe that Fist of Dishonor is notable according to these three criteria:

• It has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician/ensemble itself and reliable: I found five different newspaper articles, including three that were long, in depth reviews of the band.
• Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable...: In this case, Fist of Dishonor contains a member who is notable for being an influential member of Rock and Roll Camp for Girls, itself a notable subject.
• Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or of the local scene of a city: Fist Of Dishonor is notable that they are influencing the local Portland scene with their unique combination of martial arts and music.

If you would please consider undeleting the article, I'll make sure to use the links you gave me to improve the article. Thanks, Will

WilliamHertling 23:50, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your support

Thanks for your support with respect to my request for adminship, which successfully closed today with a count of 47 support, 1 oppose. If you ever see me doing anything that makes you less than pleased that you supported my request, I hope to hear about it from you. See you around Wikipedia! Accounting4Taste 05:08, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion of Idea store canary wharf

A tag has been placed on Idea store canary wharf, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read our the guidelines on spam as well as the Wikipedia:Business' FAQ for more information.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. ~Matticus ^T_C 12:47, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Page Protection

Hello Deb! Might you page protect Politics of Wales? Normalmouth consistantly removes sourced information, and I have asked for non-biased eyes to review the page, but they can't if he keeps changing it back. While I have included every new point he brings up, when he redits the page he removes sourced information, which I do not think is fair. I have asked for others to peer review the page, pending their imput I was hoping we can get a freeze on the page so as to not lose vaulable information. TY VM! Drachenfyre 14:15, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

PoW

Hello! I wrote on the Politics of Wales page that I do welcome contrabutions, and am willing to work with NM on issues. But feel strongly relaible sourced material should be the maintained.

You had made comment that you agree with a few points of view of NM, and I welcome that, but can you tell me what they may be? Clearly I wish to remove point of view from the artical, and do welcome constructive criticism. Drachenfyre 21:38, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

If he is being genuine, then clearly we can work together, however his comments are off the chain and belligerent. In his editing process, he eliminates all other references, this can not be ccorrect. If Davies and Morgan are at a different point of view on a particular interpertation, in my opinon both should be. Whenever NM adds something sourced, I do add it to the material, but in exchange I am verbally accosted. One simply has to view his past interactions with other editors to get a taste of his "working together" works. Drachenfyre 23:32, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Deb, Im so fustrated beyund words! How can someone be allowed to contribute when they are so hostile and belligerent to other editors? NM has a history of bullying those that do not agree with his pov, is there not any other forum to address his attitude and to bring grievence to? While I admit my own edits could use other editors going through them, I do not trust NM given his history. What to do? Should I quite in fustration as so many others do?Drachenfyre 23:55, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Oy! Just give him the artical. Up until my edits, back in Februray and now, he has not contributed anything of substance to the artical at all. Then, when I contribute, he wishes to add more alter the artical.I dont think I can trust him to be non-point of view, and again he drives another editor awayDrachenfyre 00:10, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Intro rewrite???

It just didn't sound right to me for an article to start with "This article is about..." --Gawaxay (talk • contribs • count) 16:44, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Years in Wales

I think there should be a template that says "This article's lead section may need revising." It does sound a little strict to say "This article's lead section needs to be deleted entirely and rewritten from scratch!" -Gawaxay (talk • contribs • count) 16:56, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Just found out

You're an admin??!! I didn't see any indication of that at all! I thought you were just a normal user! (but hey, excluding deleting, blocking, blah, blah, blah, what are they?) I want to be an admin someday... --Gawaxay (talk • contribs • count) 21:41, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Admins

Please note that I said someday. I know you have to build up a certain amount of experience to be one. That's what I've been doing since I started, although it wasn't always for the purpose of becoming an admin someday. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gawaxay (talk • contribs) 21:42, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Admins

Why would I think you were trying to discourage me? (Sigh...it seems that nothing I say ever gets across right... forget that) Oh, duh. The "boringness." (just realized what you meant) Oh, no, I didn't think you were trying to discourage me. I'm sure administration can be boring sometimes. Trust me. Trying to copy stuff like templates from Wikipedia to that wiki I had once wasn't exactly fun. Well, back to my uber-ultra-major task on MechQuest... --Gawaxay (talk • contribs • count) 21:55, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Vandalizsm

if your a admin, protect Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace from non regiestered and newly created user edits, theres a big war between ip's and the good users of wikipedia.

if your not a admin, find one to do it, because, unlike the UD there isn'ty a administration link on the interaction sidebar, making seeing the deltion, speedy deltion, vandal and other thing,s very hard to do for us normals.--Cody6 (talk) 05:26, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, if you look at said changes, the guests revert edits made by good users, they change things luike saying chuck norris played maul, and that lukas films was a distributor, they reverted the edits that reverted there vandalism, jsut protect it so the guests cant do stupid vandals, ok? --Cody6 (talk) 14:15, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Extra buttons

Thanks for your support - I look forward to wielding my newly-granted powers (evil grin...!) Hey-ho, off to CAT:CSD I go. Diolch unwais eto. Bencherlite^Talk 19:29, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Naked Neame

Hi - the naked Christopher Neame you asked about at Talk:Christopher_Neame is in The Cleopatras (1983). I didn't know it was a first for the BBC though, and his legs are carefully crossed throughout! BTLizard (talk) 13:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Countrysize deleted

Hello. This page was deleted for advertising. I'm not sure what the rules are, but is there any acceptable way I can link from the List of countries and outlying territories by total area to my website. I'm sure I've read about other websites and applications on wikipedia in the past.

thanks,

Mike —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simem (talk • contribs) 21:14, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Mark J. Williams

		A Barnstar Point
		Awarded for a really well-done integration of a list of trivia into useful article prose, at Mark J. Williams — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 23:53, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

PS: In future you should probably use an edit summary more like "Integrated trivia into prose" or something other that "removed trivia section", which can be alarming. :-) — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 23:53, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of CDC Software submission

Hello,

I am new to Wikipedia and still learning. I would like to edit the content of the page I submitted so that it is usable on the site.

I would appreciate any tips so that I can edit and re-submit.

Best regards Dixon —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vancouver mktg (talk • contribs) 22:29, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

deletion of contribution

Thanks for trying to help me with this. I was trying to use the listing for icrossing as my example. Maybe this is not a good one to use. Monitorfuse (talk) 22:02, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

For you

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		Awarded to Deb for all of your tireless contributions. ♫ Cricket02 (talk) 03:31, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Handbra

An article on which you previously commented has been proposed for deletion again, at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Handbra (second nomination). You may wish to comment.DGG (talk) 04:00, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Coleraine college

A tag has been placed on Coleraine college requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lordjeff06 (talk) 21:26, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

re: Coleraine College

Fair enough, it just looked like blatant boosterism to me. But hey, it looks better already. Have a good one! Lordjeff06 (talk) 21:32, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Your edit to Henry V of England

I am just about to move the citation you supplied to the sentence following: as far as I can see it was the fact of Henry commanding the troops at the battle of Shrewsbury that is at issue, and not the remarkable medical intervention. All the best. --Old Moonraker (talk) 12:48, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Afterthought: have you had a chance to look over Davy Gam recently? It's gone from underweight to, arguably, overblown in a few months. I haven't the knowledge to judge what's relevant and what's not. --Old Moonraker (talk) 13:06, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Images on Welsh Wiki

Hello, i am trying to transfer images from Wales wiki, but can not read the specific copyright. I wish to transfer over the image on Lewis Valentine and on Penyberth, and the old logo for Plaid Cymru. Can you help me read where the poster there got the free use image licscening so that I can then trasfer those images here? (yes, I took a minor wikibreak, hehe) Drachenfyre 03:44, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Viennese composers

Category:Viennese composers, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. – Cgingold 19:24, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

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Deletion of Strobist

I wrote a short article about the Strobist blog that teaches photographic lighting for free. I genuinely didn't intend it as blatant advertising.

Can you please help me identify was there a specific part I should reformat (was it bad to list the sponsors of the blog?) or would the article need a complete rewrite?

Also, I didn't know to take a local copy of the source code of the article. Do you have access to the source code, so I could start working on the article?

Thank you,

mtreinik (talk) 13:48, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Admin

Perhaps. What are your thoughts? Michael Sanders 13:38, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay, then, thanks. I doubt my chances, but if you're happy to nominate me, I'd be grateful. Michael Sanders 14:00, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Cheers, and if you ever want me to give you a hand with anything (whether this succeeds or not), let me know. Michael Sanders 14:53, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Nah, no problem. It's a bit disappointing, but hardly surprising: and, as was raised on the RFA page, most of what I do doesn't require admin powers, and I'm not a power-hungry vandal hunter, so it's hardly a palpable hit. Thanks anyway, and, like I said, if you ever need my help in anything, don't hesitate to let me know. Michael Sanders 22:10, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Mmm, perhaps. Sorry about that. ;) Michael Sanders 22:15, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

RfA

Thank you, Deb. Surplu^TalkToMe! 18:09, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Kirkland Notability

Thanks for reviewing Mike Kirkland (coach) on notability. I should have put an "under construction" tag on it, but you're welcome to review at this time.

As a collegiate athletic director, he's considered a part of Wikipedia College Football project, and his unprecedented success in women's track & field (over a decade as head coach and never losing to a conference team) is truly a mark of success. But have a look!--Paul McDonald (talk) 23:56, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Angelo Fabroni

Hi. I just wanted to let you know that I undid your merge of Angelo Fabbroni. I merged it to Angelo Fabroni because most of the sources I've seen, including the French Wikipedia at fr:Angelo Fabroni, spell it with one B. I left a note to this effect at talk:Angelo Fabroni, but wanted to drop you a line because you worked on the redirect. Abby 01:26, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help

Thank you for explaining what needed to be improved to get the listing approved. You have been a great help

Monitorfuse (talk) 13:12, 10 December 2007 (UTC)MonitorFuse

Help embedding photo within 'infobox'

Hi Deb, can you help me with a wee problem. I can't embed a photo within an 'infobox' on an article, and don't know why. The article is here --Darren Wyn Rees (talk) 18:45, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Done. Bencherlite^Talk 20:09, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanking you both. --Darren Wyn Rees (talk) 20:55, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

No problem! Bencherlite^Talk 21:57, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Name notability in births/deaths

Percy Kilbride, Lynn Strait and David Lewis may not be notable in the UK, but they are notable in the USA. Even if certain names are only notable in one part of the world, they still count as notable. New World Man (talk) 10:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

The births and deaths on the individual day articles already include many names that are generally unknown here in the USA. Birth and death listings in individual day articles Americo-centric? Hardly.

Two of my sources for adding extra names to the "Births" and "Deaths" sections are deadoraliveinfo.com and nndb.com - though I double-check individual's birth/death dates from those sites and see if they are correct before adding them to the "Births" and "Deaths" sections - some of the dates listed on those sites are incorrect.

Even if the bio linked to is just a stub, it doesn't disqualify them from being listed. In fact, it just may give Wikipedia editors incentive to expand the stub.

New World Man (talk) 03:04, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Already!

For at least the third time, please stop changing year pages from the house style to your personal preferred style. Some of us went to a lot of effort to devise this house style and then implement it, and by undoing our work, you are wasting everybody's time. -- Smjg (talk) 12:26, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

GGGGGG Grandson of Rev. John Thomson

I am the GGGGGG Grandson of Rev. John Thomson, and I liked the article on Rev. John Thomson very much. His unnamed daughter, due to her first name lost to time, married my GGGGG Grandfather John Finley. The Finley's settled originally on South River in Augusta County, Virginia in about 1738-1740 and helped found Tinkling Springs Presbyterian Church in 1740 which is the oldest church in the Shenandoah Valley. The unnamed daughter of Rev. John Thomson and mother of Elizabeth Finley, who married James Gillespy, is discussed in a note written by Rev. Richard Sankey in Prince Edward County on Jan. 4, 1764, which identifies Elizabeth as his wife's niece. Rev. Richard Sankey's wife was Sarah Thomson, daughter of Rev. John Thomson. See J.G. Herndon, "Some of the Descendants of the Rev. John Thomson (1690-1753)," VA Magazine of History & Biography, LI (1943): 394-404; Genealogies of VA Families (5 vols. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing, 1981) 5:454-464. Marriage bond, January 5, 1764 shows Elizabeth's father, John Finley, Sr. "with his consent,"; uncle by marriage, Robert Baker surety; consent witnessed by Baker and John Finley, Jr. (Prince Edward Co., VA, Marriage Bonds, 1754-1850, LDS film #0033254). Finally, the first minister Tinkling Springs Presbyterian Church petitioned for was Rev. John Thomson noted in the book The Tinkling Spring Headwater of Freedom by Howard McKnight Wilson Th.D. James and Elizabeth (Finley) Gillespy were my GGGG Uncle and Aunt. My GGGG Grandfather, William Finley, was her brother. See more at my website at http://www.smokymountainsphotogallery.com/abph.html I contacted Hampton Sydney College directly, and they do not recognize Rev. John Thomson's school for boys as the precurser of Hampton Sydney College. Robert Baker may have been the brother of Samuel Baker who married Elizabeth Thomson another daughter of Rev. John Thomson, and Rev. John Thomson died in 1753 at the Baker home in North Carolina according to an article, Faith and Works written by Madison McElwain.

Removal of births in year articles

Hi, I've reverted/undone your removal of certain names from the birth lists on the grounds that it is grounded in POV. Although I'm not sure if there's actual policy or concensus among editors as to who belongs in these lists, there currently does not seem to be any notability requirements above having your own article (ie. only red links and redirects are removed). Also your reasons for removing these names (reducing size and "restoring balance") are, from what I can see, not stated goals of the articles or the affiliated Wikiproject. While I agree that it may be a good idea to eventually remove people who barely meet notability requirements for their own article from these lists, there appear to be no policies or guidelines to direct such revisions at this time, making such judgement calls problematic. Thanks. --TM 05:52, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I have no issue with adding (non-American) names, in fact I think it's great, the only issue is the removal of names, since then we enter POV debates over notability where there are no guidelines, policies, etc. The Wikiproject you cited (at a quick glance) seems to support this: "Generally, this project concentrates upon remedying omissions (entire topics, or particular sub-topics in extant articles) rather than on either (1) protesting inappropriate inclusions, or (2) trying to remedy issues of how material is presented" [my emphasis].

And yes, the birth lists are currently very long for articles concerning the 1970s and 1980s simply because it seems to be easier to become "notable" today, or we go through more "celebrities" or whatever. I expect the birth lists to continue to grow and I think eventually we'll just split off the birth lists from the year articles or differentiate them based on whether they concern sports or entertainment (those two seem to be the biggest groups). But again, I see removing names of people, who have been (ostensibly) considered notable by Wikipedia editors, without guidelines or discussion as problematic. While I think the length of the birth sections will eventually become a problem, I don't think this is the way to go about solving it.--TM 23:01, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Again, I agree that we don't need to list every birth, but currently there are no guidelines, policies, or discussions, let alone some form of consensus to determine which names to include and which not to. I don't think all reality TV "stars" or all porn "stars" should be listed (let alone have articles), but as long as they have articles it apparently means that the community has recognized them as "notable". Others will think that every athlete need not be listed, others every actor, singer, etc. I think the lists will eventually need to be shortened and I agreed with the majority of your removals (a couple I completely disagreed with), but I don't think that one or two editors should begin making sweeping judgements concerning an issue like notability, which is so subjective. It could just be me, so if this is something you feel needs to be addressed now I suggest starting a discussion somewhere (maybe the year article wikiproject) to see what others think. --TM 09:48, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

The only thing relevant to this issue on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Years page that I can see says "The Births section list all births in that year, divided into month section" [my emphasis]. Is there some section I missed that said individual editors get to decide which entries are notable enough to be listed? If the WikiProject page says to list all births, and you are removing births, how are you not out of step with its policies? --TM 16:41, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reference, and I take no offence. I don't enjoy debating flimsy Wikipedia logic and goals and everything, my only goal was to avoid more endless, tedious discussions in the future. I'll just put back the few names that I don't think qualify as minor celebrities. If you want to debate those, it's up to you. --TM 08:08, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

And I think I do understand NPOV, although I don't fully understand your criticism of my understanding of it. --TM 11:53, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Daniel Quasar Deletion

I do not undesrstand why the article I created was deleted. I cited information and I believe it all was noteworthy. Please explain as to why you went ahead and deleted it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Danielquasar (talk • contribs) 12:28, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Elonka 3

Thank you for your support in my RfA. It was definitely a dramatic debate! I paid close attention to everything that was said, and, where possible, I will try to incorporate the (constructive) criticism towards being a better administrator. I'm taking things slowly for now, partially because it's the holiday season and there are plenty of off-wiki distractions. :) I'm also working my way through the Wikipedia:New admin school and double-checking the relevant policies, and will gradually phase into the use of the new tools. My main goals are to help out with various backlogs, but I also fully intend to keep on writing articles, as there are several more that I definitely want to get to WP:FA status! Thanks again, --Elonka 10:50, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

The zyrtec

Thanks for deleting the article. I was tagging it for AfD. Now what do I do with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The zyrtec? I had not even logged it yet. --Evb-wiki (talk) 12:52, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

The Wessex Children

Dear Sir, you are cordially invited to join a discussion on this matter at WikiProject British Royalty. Yours in anticipation, ^† DBD 16:50, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

deletion Arnon Krongrad

Deb -- We are at a pivotal time in the global fight against prostate cancer. This week alone saw the deaths of rocker Dan Fogelberg and producer Frank Capra and the diagnosis of rocker Stephen Stills. As awareness soars, grass roots all over our planet are stirring to action. One of the most influential thinkers (and doers) on this issue is Arnon Krongrad. His writing, both at the professional level (original dietary prevention trial; policy statements for the World Health Organization, Behind the Mask), are important and help to focus and energize the base. Anybody who knows prostate cancer knows this maverick and his razor mind. Many of us have been influenced. The post was a draft modeled on Wikipedia entry on Ben Goldacre, another doctor and author. If you believe it needs improvement to better fit Wikipedia's structure, please advise me on how to make it better. I have not done this before and would welcome your input. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blinman (talk • contribs) 01:00, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

16th century in literature

Nice job on the (much-needed) formatting work that you've recently done on 16th century in literature :) --Lini (talk) 12:33, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply; I am in agreement that it would be good to have more individual year in literature entries from the 16th century. And Merry Christmas to you (if you celebrate Christmas :) or, if you don't, best wishes for a very good day, whatever your day contains! Cheers, Lini (talk) 12:41, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Tom Champion page deletion

Hi Deb, I'm just writing to inquire about a page deletion. As a follower of the Australian literary family of Ruth Park, D'Arcy Niland, Kilmeny Niland and Rafe Champion, I believed a Wiki page citing the beginning of a third generation member, Tom Champion, would be useful. His soon to-be published book is welcoming an extension into this literary family that has known much fame across Australia and internationally. Would you be able to inform how I can adjust the article to make it more Wik-nificant?

All the best, Laura —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jegeskave (talk • contribs) 02:05, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

why did you delete my article?

I can't understand why you deleted my article. Can you please explain and teach me what I need to do in order to keep my article on wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by UriIroniX (talk • contribs) 18:50, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Margaret of Sicily

Margaret of Sicily's content has been duplicated at Margaret of Germany, and the user who did so wants the article at the latter. Does that require a page move, or page merge? Michael Sanders 22:52, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay, do you know what I do for that, then? Michael Sanders 23:10, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I've submitted a move request. Thanks for your help. Michael Sanders 23:51, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

"Hi. I've made a bit of a cockup of the move request. I had a tiring day, got home, saw that Michaelsanders had put in the move request, was concerned that he might think I was being unhelpful, and went ahead and moved it without checking because I didn't realise it was controversial. Do you want me to undo what I did, or shall we just carry on with the discussion and move it back later if that's what people want?"

I realise that I haven't yet apologised for that. So, sorry for any trouble I might have caused about that; I was trying to sort the matter out without offending Aldebaran, who'd been acting only in good faith; I probably should have gone about matters in a different way. So, yeah, sorry about that. :( Michael Sanders 20:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Request for mediation

Would you be willing to step in and mediate in Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (use English)#British and Irish medieval names? It's just deadlocked, and I don't see that the situation will be resolvable unless someone neutral steps in. Michael Sanders 15:26, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Well could you contribute then? Michael Sanders 15:40, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Okay. Michael Sanders 15:57, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Wiki Doctorates

Wiki Doctorate is a new scheme designed to recognise the people who "do all the work" on Wikipedia. It has been mainly developed for Wikipedia administrators however if you have done lots to keep Wikipedia on "the straight and narrow", including being members of different groups which help Wikipedia i.e "The Welcoming Committee. We have selected to email you because you can apply for the doctorate and we would be very grateful if you did and put the userbox on your user page to boost advertising. The following link will take you straight to our homepage.

Yours sincerely

--Dr.J.Wright MD (talk) 23:50, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Scottish kings

There's a mass move request for the Scottish kings preceeding Edgar of Scotland - you expressed some interest in the subject on the UE discussion page, so if you're interested in contributing, see Talk:Kenneth I of Scotland. Michael Sanders 17:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello Deb. I've a discussion going on at Charles II of England, concerning his Scottish reign; please take a peek. GoodDay (talk) 23:17, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

RE:Your comments

I am as mellow as they come these days, you just haven't been paying any attention and can't distinguish good faith honesty and criticism from what you melodramtically style "unnecessarily rude and offensive" comments. Chill out my dear and have some good faith. I've barely said anything of the sort. As for what "this project is about", you'll get a good idea of what I think from my comments, and you would be a better wikipedian if you weren't so easily offended, didn't have such an elevated sense of self-importance and considered for a moment that some people have a different perspective on wikipedia. If you wanna get my respect, instead of claiming expertise on "British monarchy" (whatever relevance that's supposed to have), maybe you should start by making some constructive comments ... something you suggested others should make. John and Sanders at least can be credited with this. And I don't see what you expected to achieve by leaving such a post on by talk page; and I'm lost as to what good would come implying Angus should leave and that all his frustrations stemmed from not having his way. You don't have the foggiest. A vast horde of mediocrity has engulfed Angus of late; such a melting pot of mediocrity, which your philosophy seeks to encourage, can only take wiki articles so far; you'd do much better for the project by thinking beyond such a philosophy and protecting users such as Angus. Cause if they don't get protection, they will, one by one, be forced away. How can that be good? Attack me all you like, that is the way of it. All the best, Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 22:38, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I thought I'd get you to say that. It's funny how easily you abandon the ideals you allege to adhere to, including "respect" and "common courtesy", as soon as you encounter disagreement and criticism; though it's not like I've ever seen you put those ideals in action. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 13:28, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Deb, the Welsh equivalent of Cinaed is Cunedda ... they are etymologically cognate ... though I don't have the foggiest if that name is ever used in modern Welsh. Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 19:08, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Your deletion of NetSuite

Hi Deb, I saw you deleted NetSuite as "blatant advertising". I have been away for a while without time for wikipedia, but I've been looking over ERP/CRM-related product and company articles for a while. The last state I remember this article was far from perfect or even good, but if I remember correctly it was not that much worse than a lot of the other articles in Category:ERP software/Category:CRM software and subcategories. Given that the company through the Larry Ellison involvement and the accompanying media attention seems to fulfill WP:CORP, survived an AfD and is generally well referenced, I was wondering what made you delete it. And no, I've no involvement with NetSuite what so ever. ;-) Thanks, --S.K. (talk) 14:33, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Answer at my talk page. --S.K. (talk) 17:51, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again, but I fear in the current state with me as the only author we might get a problem with the GFDL. How hard would it be to restore all versions up to the one that's there right now? Or all versions and I manually reset to a clean one? Thanks, --S.K. (talk) 18:17, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I also support deletion. We should send the article to AFD for discussion. Please let me know when that page is posted. Timneu22 (talk) 20:10, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Could you also restore the talk page for the article? Timneu22 (talk) 12:38, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Answer on my page. I've also made some changes in the meantime, adding some references and slightly toning down the language. Any further comments welcome. Thanks, --S.K. (talk) 13:41, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Your deletion of Bats Day in the Fun Park

Regretfully I had to revert your deletion. Unfortunately too many peoplle misunderstand CSD A7: its intention was specifically against possible vanity and restriced to such cases: "An article about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content. ... A7 applies only to the articles on the people, organizations and web content themselves, not articles on their books, albums, software, and so on. Other article types are not eligible for deletion by this criterion." While your efforts in keeping wikipedia clean from garbage are appreciated, I would advice to periodically re-read policies. Wikipedia is still young, its rules are not cast in stone, and I can tell you, I myself was surprized by changes ijn policies many times. `'Míkka>t 18:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

The intention is stated in the wording of the policy. Bats Day is not an organization, although it is organized :-) `'Míkka>t 18:45, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

P.S. While double-checking the assertion of nonnotability (to let your deletion be or not to be per WP:BE BOLD), I have found that this event is descibed in a 2007 book, so the article will probably survive AfD as well. `'Míkka>t 18:44, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Sock-puppeteering?

Mary of Hungary has been moved to Maria II of Hungary by User:Suedois (see [1]). I've requested it be moved back, since there is no evidence of her ever being so-called. Another editor, User:Marrtel has not only leapt in (Talk:Maria II of Hungary) to defend the move but has berated me twice for my actions. Yet the original editor has not commented, and the affront Marrtel has taken at my attempts to sort out the mess caused by Suedois seems to have been taken personally ("Your recent edits (practically reverts) in articles related to medieval and early modern Hungary border vandalism. In any case, those edits appear blindly made and ignorant of facts. You are warned against making hasty edits and reverts. If such continues, it will be regarded as wilful vandalism." on my talk page, and I am accused of presenting "either uninformed or deceitful allegation"...and this despite the fact that Marrtel does not appear to have ever suggested this point before, or have any apparent link with the matter). Am I looking at a sock-puppet, or being paranoid? Michael Sanders 20:28, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Donnie Avery

It means he's one of the top ten prospects at his position in April's 2008 NFL Draft, and is likely to be picked in the middle rounds.►Chris Nelson^Holla! 00:06, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't know how to explain it any simpler; anyone that followed football would get it all immediately. He was a senior at Missouri in 2007, but now the college football season is over and he's played all the college football he can. So yes, he's going to be chosen in the 2008 NFL Draft this April.►Chris Nelson^Holla! 14:55, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Well that's an issue you need to take up at college football, which is about college American football.►Chris Nelson^Holla! 19:17, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

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Tatra 111 article deletion

You have just deleted the article I was in the process of creating ?!!! what the f ...

How fast am I suppose to be typing to be quick enough for you? Can you put it back please.Thanks Stonufka (talk) 12:54, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

--Look I didn't know it was illegal to put pictures first, now I'm just plainly NOT HAPPY! so I guess when I sleep it over I'll try again if I can be bothered that is. Still I believe its better to have just pictures illustrating the object than one big plain NOTHING.Haven't you ever heard of "Pictures are worth thousand words" Stonufka (talk) 13:03, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Lyle Shelton article deletion

You just deleted the article on Australian Political Figure Lyle Shelton, an outspoken (gaining national media attention) Alderman of for some time of the second largest inland city in Australia, prominent conservative political candidate, and lobbyist.

The article was a stub and only a couple of days old.

Lyle is likely to continue to increase in significance in Toowoomba, Queensland and Australian national politics over the next few years. My entry ewas sketchy because Lyle and I have a long acrimonious history, and I wanted to make sure it was absolutely neutral.

There are many welsh political figures much more obscure that have wikipedia pages. It was also necessary to DA him from an American air racer of the same name.

Alexlaw65 (talk) 02:28, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

I read the article, including its state at deletion. I am wondering if you would consider restoring the article and doing a full discussion instead of speedy. I see some potential notability that a full discussion might better bring out. It sounds like he's getting some national attention in Australia. The article had some referencing. I did notice that Alexlaw65 has a conflict on interest in this matter, so I understand if that is your reason to keep it deleted. I won't lose sleep either way. Royalbroil 05:17, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Would being quoted in The Australian (the only national daily, with the exception of the business-oriented Australian Financial Review) twice in the last month count? Once in relation to Gay Marriage (17/12/2007), the other in relation to Lobbyists access to Ministers (11/01/2008)?

Any chance of getting the article source back so I can work on expanding it? Alexlaw65 (talk) 03:26, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I made a copy of the deleted article in Alexlaw65's sandbox (User:Alexlaw65/Sandbox) so that he can work on the article. I told Alex that the article should only be added back to mainspace after it is expanded with reliable sources that demonstrate notability. He was told it needs both your and my approval before it can be added back to mainspace. I hope that you are okay with that compromise. You still retain control about whether this article gets created or not since you deleted it. Royalbroil 06:45, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't assuming anything. You didn't necessarily have to do anything. Is my compromise a decent way to deal with it? I thought that Alex deserved a chance to assert notability since he claimed that Mr. Shelton was getting press. This way you can still have the power to decide if and when the article is actually published. Royalbroil 13:49, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I was just starting to update Did You Know when you left your message. Usually the admin that deleted the article makes sure that they are satisfied that it meets notability and reliable sources standards before it gets recreated. At least that was my experience dealing with admins before I became an admin. It doesn't need to be your endorsement on the topic. Just like anything, that doesn't mean that it couldn't be deleted via an AfD. This way the article needs to be at least something decent. Royalbroil 14:22, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Stage6

Hi Deb. I see you deleted the article Stage6 without warning as CSD. I have to say this comes as somewhat of a surprise. There was a prod on the article on January 3rd at which time I objected [2], and the prod was later removed by an IP, and since then the dead links were updated. I'm not completely sure what the precidure for this is, but I was under the impression that "if you remove the {{prod}} template, the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached." Think outside the box 15:22, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Think outside the box 10:37, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Greetings again, Deb. I've rewritten the Stage6 article and added several new sources and links. Please have a look to see if it needs more work to avoid AFD. Think outside the box 11:56, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Deletion Of Perth_E-Series

Just wondering why this page was deleted... it wasn't advertising, all the info used was from the site, it wasn't biased in any way.. the page i created was viewable for over 3 days before it was removed, why did it need deleting?

I believe it was deleted because it apparently not significant to people.. it is significant to Automotive enthusiasts of Western Australia, Australia.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CruizinEB (talk • contribs) 17:21, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

OpenPAM

Deb, you were quite right to add Template:important to OpenPAM. I have added a paragraph and a couple of references which I hope explain its notability. I should have added them in my first edit, but I was in the middle of absorbing the information about the Coverity Scan project and writing about it in a few other places, and wanted the article up as fast as possible to avoid dead links.

Disclaimer: I am the author and maintainer of OpenPAM. I realize there may be a conflict of interest, which is why I have not included anything which might qualify as opinion (e.g. how OpenPAM compares with other PAM implementations). Of course, notability itself is subjective, but I think that OpenPAM qualifies on the basis of being mentioned as one of eleven "major Open Source projects" considered by a neutral third party to be of particularly high quality in a press release and two dozen news articles. It was also already linked to from FreeBSD (and no, it wasn't me who added that link).

DES (talk) 17:28, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

January 2008

Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed content from Annie Leonard. When removing text, please specify a reason in the edit summary and discuss edits that are likely to be controversial on the article's talk page. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the text has been restored, as you can see from the page history. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Please do not delete pages which are in progess. I was going to add hangon just as you deleted it. Bstone (talk) 17:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

My apologies. TW does a terrible job at these things. What I meant to say was, please don't delete the page. I was adding hangon to it but you deleted it before I got a chance to. I believe Ms Leonard is notable and if you give me a few minutes to write the article I believe you will agree. Bstone (talk) 17:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Studiocom deletion

Hello! I recently added a page for Studiocom and it was deleted by you. We are a digital advertising agency and part of the WPP group, which lists us on their page. I wanted to create a page that told people more about our agency, what we do, our clients, etc., in the same manner as many other agencies do on Wikipedia. I attempted to keep the page as objective as possible and it was still deleted. Could you please provide some direction, so that I can build it again in a fashion that does not result in its immediate deletion.

Thanks,

Alaina —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gs03abr (talk • contribs) 17:56, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Annie Leonard

Let me just take a moment to say that I feel the speed in which this article was twice deleted is absolutely unacceptable. I had no sooner created the article and was going to add the hangon tag that it was deleted. Even when I added the tag it was still deleted. I feel as tho I am under some sort of clock or watchful eye to prove this article in as short a period as possible, which of course leads to all sorts of poor editing. As a long time wikipedia editor, I hearby express my frustration.Bstone (talk) 19:20, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I had hoped for something a bit more than your response on my talk page. It's rather disappointing to see the "immediate delete" attitude". It needs to be changed, and soon. Bstone (talk) 21:35, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Deb, instead of just tagging the article as lacking notability (which I believe the above section has dispelled and I am actively working to integrate into the article) you can even discuss it here. I believe it would be most appropriate to discuss it here. Thank you.Bstone (talk) 21:50, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

There is exactly one unsourced statement which will be fixed once their website comes back up. I cannot be held responsible as an editor for the website being temporarily down. Perhaps you would like to contribute to the notability discussing on the article's talk page? That really is the most appropriate place to hold this discussion. Please do move the discussion over there. Thanks so much. Bstone (talk) 22:05, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Dance Dance Revolution articles

Delete happy today aren't we? Actually looking at your talk page it seems you get off on that kind of thing. The Information on the articles were unreferenced, unorganized, and badly written I agree. But flat out deleting the pages is an extreme way of dealing with them. All of the articles possess potential and in the future it would be better for Wikipedia and the morale of new editors to either make the appropriate changes yourself, or make a note on the respective talk pages that an expert should come in and clean up.

In the case of one article, Dance Dance Revolution Disney Channel Edition, I placed the recommendation on the page that it be merged with a more general article that encompassed that particular game. It is always better to assume positive intent and to discuss issues first before taking rash action. The contents of the page should have been moved to the article proposed if you felt the only thing you were capable of contributing was actions without words. The pages would have likely been rewritten anyhow, and that's what I'm in the process of doing. But it's always better to contribute to an article than to take away, that's the spirit of Wikipedia. If you cannot find it in yourself to give more than you take then you probably don't belong in this community. --AeronPrometheus (talk) 03:29, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Follow-up - CSD G11 is for blatant and absolutely gratuitous advertising, not just any material which seems overly promotional. Given that all of these articles had existed for some time, I highly doubt that all of them fit that criterion. The Google cache for Dance Dance Revolution EXTREME, for instance, gives me an article which has some issues, but is pretty clearly not a G11 candidate. I'd like to request that you undelete all DDR-related articles which you deleted on the 14th and bring them to AfD if you believe deletion is appropriate. Zetawoof_(ζ) 08:42, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Seriously what the fuck? If you're going to delete articles about a specific video game, then why don't you delete ALL video game articles? That would make it fair...RIGHT? WRONG! If you don't undo this, I will contact some higher staff about this. Thank you. 阿修羅96 (talk) 20:16, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

LOLCat Bible Translation Project

Could you please undelete this? I dispute its notability as well but it's definitely not a speedy deletion candidate - needs to be restored and given a full AfD - because it did have quite a lot of indpendent coverage in newspapers etcetera.--h i s ^{s p a c e} _{r e s e a r c h} 06:07, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Perth E-Series

I do remember it being deleted last time for advertising, i understand that. I re did it will all into coming from the website, i have permission because i started the club... the question of it not meeting the notability guidelines is questionable, it is one of the most active car clubs in Australia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CruizinEB (talk • contribs) 23:21, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of LG Chocolate (VX8550)

I noticed the red link of LG Chocolate (VX8550) on the LG template. After looking into it, I see that you speedy deleted it as an advertisement. I think that this may need a second opinion, as the article was not tagged. The article just needs to be rewritten a bit. I don't want to undelete an article you deleted without getting your opinion on this. Thanks, нмŵוτнτ 00:35, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I did some work on it. нмŵוτнτ 15:03, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

I think I do know how this works

So do yourself a favor and undo the damage, a game article is in NO way automatic advertising, if you think there is advertising, then flag it, or better yet - CLEAN UP THE GOD DAMN ARTICLE YOURSELF. 阿修羅96 (talk) 20:20, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Deletion Review of Dance Dance Revolution SuperNOVA 2

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Dance Dance Revolution SuperNOVA 2. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. ViperSnake151 00:59, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Why? --Megabyte73 (talk) 16:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Because the reason given for deleting it is complete bullshit. That's why. 阿修羅96 (talk) 17:58, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

thx

I have the mop but can you search the RFA meeting shown to find the bucket?	<font=3> Thanks for your support, my request for adminship passed 60/0/0 on Monday! I want to thank Mrs.EasterBunny and Royalbroil for nominating me, those who updated the RfA tally, and everyone for their support and many kind words. To paraphrase a president ... I wish my mum and dad could see the comments made. My dad would be so proud to see the comments ... and my mum would have believed them". I will do my best to use the new tools carefully and responsibly (and you may be surprised to find that I have not deleted all of the pages by accident..... yet). Thanks again, Victuallers (talk) 13:53, 23 January 2008 (UTC)	An early RFA meeting to decide if Victuallers can be included as a sysop - use cursor to identify.

County Courts

Hi Deb, thanks for that suggestion. The Lodgings is somewhere that my wife and I used to drive near frequently when heading backwards and forwards between Aberystwyth and London, and we kept thinking we'd stop... and now our route through Wales has changed and we never go past it! The website doesn't actually say it was the County Court (as opposed to being the home for criminal cases), (although, frustratingly, the Google search preview says "county court"!) It wouldn't surprise me if it was as the "new" county courts tended to use wherever was available, at least at first, rather than build new courts. Thanks again for the suggestion - I'll email the museum and see what they say. Regards, Bencherlite^Talk 16:53, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Jennifer Irene Paull page

You just deleted the first paragraphs of a biographical entry on Jennifer Paull I was trying to create. Jennifer Paull is an important person who deserves an entry. She is the only soloist to have devoted an international career to the oboe d'amore (the alto oboe), for which she is acknowledged as being the reference for the contemporary instrument. Her lifetime has been spent commissioning works for this and other rare instruments of the double reed family. She is also the author of a book about the famous American soprano, Cathy Berberian.

She is cited in the Wikipedia article about the oboe d'amore, and there is also an article about her in the French version of Wikipedia. I want to create the article about her, and link to it from these places. I have been given material from her, including biographical information plus photos, and want to create a Wikipedia entry on her behalf.

I am trying to provide a version in English, which will be more accessible to international audiences, and also to correct many of the errors that appear in the French version.

Thank you for your consideration.

Stacie Johnston Amorisintl (talk) 13:19, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Jason Wilde Deletion

Just wondering for your reasoning behind deleting the article about Jason Wilde. He just won the National Sportswriter of the Year article and has the highest rated sports radio show in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. He is definatly relevant in Wisconsin Media, and Green Bay Packers football.

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Biofreeze8 (talk • contribs) 23:38, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

I was in the process of adding proper citations. Like the last couple contributions it usually takes me some time because I am not the best at this but I promise to fix it. thanks... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Biofreeze8 (talk • contribs) 23:46, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Did I take care of the issue and/or do I need to get more? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Biofreeze8 (talk • contribs) 17:40, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Constantine the Great

Good. Sorry if I offended you (which was not my intention), as I did not even intend to imply that there was an anti-Christian bias on Wikipedia, only that there seems to be opposition to the nickname "the Great" for this figure which I cannot understand, so I surmised that some who object to his greatness (b/c they believe it to represent a Catholic or Christian POV) object to the nickname (wrongly) on that ground. I have encountered this opposition to calling him "Great" before and just note the latest objection to the first proposed move: " This title lionises him and inflates his significance". But anytime a Wikipedian (and we are all very guilty of this) says something is common usage, you can bet it is based on personal experience, which is hardly indicative. I have very rarely heard of this fellow as "Constantine I" and only as "Constantine" when context makes it clear. I would think that the recent movie of that name and the numerous historical figures of that name makes it unlikely that 99.99% of searches will be for this guy, and I think that just "Constantine" as a title would be "surprising" (a WP no-no if I'm not mistaken). I suspect that your personal experience with references to this figure is quite different, which is really not surpising. But would you say that "Constantine the Great" is rare or common, and if common, more or less so than the numeral "I"? And is just "Constantine" usually understood to refer to this figure even if no context is established with reference to the history of Rome or Christianity or such? Srnec (talk) 00:00, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

The movie I was referring to is Constantine (film). Never seen it; have no idea what it has to do (if anything) with Constantine (I/the Great). Srnec (talk) 03:36, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

LSESU Green Party

As I believe I previously suggested on the talk page of this article that you recently deleted (without, BTW, the "informative deletion reason" required by WP:PROD), I think it should have had some of the crud removed (e.g.: people's names/positions) and been merged into Young Greens of England and Wales#London School of Economics and Political Science. I'm not sure if there is anything worth salvaging that isn't already in that section since the article no longer exists. In case there is, would it be possible for you to undelete it and redirect it to that section—to enable the merging of any appropriate content and the preservation of the history in accordance with the GNU FDL—or would that have to be dealt with by deletion review?

As an aside, I've never used PROD to delete an article as I'm unsure there is a real niche between CSD and AfD. Particularly (as in this and most cases) where the creator or principal authors are not notified, I suspect it may be used to delete articles under the radar that the proposer believes wouldn't be successful at AfD and don't fit the CSD criteria.

Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley _{talk contrib} 18:20, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I've got way too many pages on my watchlist to notice these things. (I think there should be multiple watchlists and things like colour coding of watchlist entries and only major edits or moves/deletions notified for some articles, but maybe that is overboard for most editors.)

Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley _{talk contrib} 18:37, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Referral Orders Manual

 deleted 22:14

Hi, could you please reinstate this as I have sorted it out with Jimfbleak on my user talk page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Veraguinne —Preceding unsigned comment added by Veraguinne (talk • contribs) 22:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

This page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youth_Offending_Team/Referral_Orders_Manual —Preceding unsigned comment added by Veraguinne (talk • contribs) 23:07, 31 January 2008 (UTC) Alternatively, please clarify further the reason for deletion, since I am unclear as to the problem. SJB (talk) 23:34, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Deb, you wrote: "It's about an article which purports to be a user manual on the subject of "referral orders". Whilst an article describing what a referral order is (under the title Referral Order) would be acceptable, a user guide giving advice on the subject is not. The article provided no context, and I have a suspicion there may also be a copyright issue, as the text appears to be substantially copied from a printed source. Apologies if I'm wrong on that last one."

1. Referral Orders are described here, within the context of other court orders http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youth_Offending_Team The RO system is entirely new in the UK justice system, occupies some 50% of YOTs' workload and is evolving rapidly, whilst remaining largely undocumented. Moreover, the system is likely to be expanded still further in the latest Criminal Justice & Immigration Bill. The 'Manual' documents the process from end-to-end and so contains 'advice' - in the same way that the originating Statute ( Powers of the Criminal Courts (sentencing Act 2000) & The Referral Orders (Amendment of Referral Conditions) Regulations 2003), was expanded by 'Guidance' (“Referral Orders and Youth Offender Panels” Guidance for Courts, Youth offending services and Youth Offender Panels February 2002 Home Office, Lord Chancellors Department and Youth Justice Board). However, it represents the accumulation of experience, not available at that time. It is therefore a 'living' document of the tripartite relationship between young offenders, their communities and the statutory services designed to meet Community Justice as it evolves - another new aspect of the UK Justice system.

2. In order to implement RO's, a specific knowledge base is required - the attempted Jargon Buster of acronyms and commonly used terms - by both practitioners and 'Lay' people, because of the focus on Community Justice.

3. The List of terms cannot stand alone, since they would be without context. There is therefore a need to set them within the context of usage. The 'Manual' attempts to define the experience-base gained from 5 years' application of Statute.

4. There is no copyright issue whatever. I have the full permission of the author who is uncomfortable with online technology, but would welcome input from others. Both articles were submitted for publication to the Youth Justice Board Directory of Emerging Practice. However, there has been an inexplicable delay in publication. Once published, the originating source will be referenced directly.

I hope this clarifies and resolves any reservations.

SJB (talk) 22:22, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

The real problem is that there is no provision for addressing matters of Community Justice on Wikipedia. Could I try to attach it to the Restorative Justice article somehow, since RO's and RJ walk hand in hand?

SJB (talk) 23:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC) Alternatively RHaworth suggested I try Wikibooks or Wikitionary. Would I be able to cross refer to Wikipedia on Referral Orders and Restorative Justice ?

The description of 'Referral Order' on the Youth offending Team page is accurate, but incomplete. Hence the proposed additions.

It is not original research, simply the documenation of widespread practice as dictated by Statute.

There is no legal implication whatsoever, excepting that delegated by the court to the 3 parties - young person, YOT and Community representative (me).

SJB (talk) 23:52, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

• You are being rather silent about this. Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Youth Offending Team/Glossary. Incidentally, Veraguinne is in Somerset, possibly quite close to you. -- RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 19:32, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

• Deb: Sorry, I didn't even realise that deletion nomination was there. I've been out nearly all day. You can sometimes see Somerset from the Vale of Glamorgan, on the other side of the Bristol Channel. Deb (talk) 20:11, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RHaworth" Actually, the articles' author lives in Wiltshire and is a cool dude. I'm a Londoner. It's not a dictionary ! I've applied to Wikia. So hopefully, will get on better there. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Veraguinne (talk • contribs) 10:14, 3 February 2008 (UTC) SJB (talk) 10:18, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Deb: I'm afraid I've lost the plot and don't understand why the Glossary is 'Inappropriate'. Please check it out now that I have added further sections. I haven't given a context because the Glossary is a Subpage of Youth Offending Teams. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Link The Manual will now be addressed on Wikia. If you are still unclear about anything, please let me know. Alternatively, please withdraw your nomination of the Glossary as AfD.

• Could you please also clarify why my 8th Feb additions were not beeen added to the page. thanks.--SJB (talk) 18:06, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi. The reason the glossary is not suitable is that it consists of definitions of terms that already have wikipedia articles. If people want to know what those things are, they only need to look at the articles. Therefore the glossary is superfluous. Deb (talk) 18:18, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Veraguinne" The Glossary is an addendum to the Youth Offending Team article and therefore provides an appropriate, specific context, which brings together a number of previously separated disciplines into one single field of Youth Justice ie

• Community Justice
• Restorative Justice
• Criminology & Policing
• Behavioural Psychology
• Sociology
• Child Development
• Education
• Local Government
• Systems Theory
• etc

Whilst many concepts are indeed the subject of individual articles, the specialist field of Youth Offending brings an entirely new dimension to their meaning (see e.g. Bail and foster care). Indeed the Youth Justice specialism has become the primary agent of social change for children in the UK, as YOTs,the YJB and the Secure Estate increasingly become the repository for children previously ignored, overlooked, or discarded by the institutions supposedly designed to protect them via 'safety nets'. As I previously stated: The real problem is that there is no current provision for addressing matters of Community Justice on Wikipedia. The Glossary therefore adds to encyclopedic knowledge. PS You did not clarify the reason for non-addition of my Feb 8th additions.--SJB (talk) 20:43, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Could I mention, respectfully, how dismissive you are to a 'newbie' ? I thought there were certain rules to be followed, but have not seen any indication from your comments so far. Whilst others eg RHaworth have made enormous attempts to assist me --SJB (talk) 21:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

On the contrary your first response was simply to delete. No time expended whatsoever. I shall try to refer the article to some form of arbitration, having expended inordinate amounts of time attempting to move you from a position of prejudice arising from your simplistic shoot=from-the-hip deletion policy.--SJB (talk) 21:40, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

cf Your intial accusation of copyright violation.--SJB (talk) 21:41, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Molton Brown

Hi there,

I would appreciate more information about why the Molton Brown article was deleted and what I can do in the future to ensure that the article won't be deleted.

I put together this article using examples live on Wikipedia such as:

Space NK, L'Occitane, Crabtree & Evelyn, Clinique

Many thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cheeky10 (talk • contribs) 09:53, February 4, 2008

Hi, Deb and Cheeky10!

  I recreated Molton Brown to redirect to its new owner company, Kao Corporation, as well as Kanebo Corporation. Whether they are big companies or not can now be discussed there. Cheers! - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 15:06, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Marcella Free

Hello there Deb, I have recreated the artice Marcella Free with more information and links to sources that show no

Deletion of Amanresorts

Hello the Deb,

I wrote this article. I have no connection with the chain other than having had lunch at one of the resorts

The article was an attempt to record the history, the develop and the reasons why Amanresorts had made an impact on the luxury resort market.

Why would this entry be deleted when articles on the following hotel chains have been left in Wikipedia Oberoi Hotels, Taj Hotels, Mandarin Oriental Hotel Group, Banyan Tree Holdings, among others.

I’m very surprised that it at the bland reason given for deleting.

The only reasons for deleting that I can think of are: External links to a commercial website. If is this the case then lets delete the link to the Amanresorts website.

The only other area of contention that I can think of is the following paragraph which was written to describe why Amanresorts have been successful:

“Each resort is designed around the concept of a small super-exclusive discreet and elegant resort. The architecture is minimalist and designed to complement the location’s natural settings. Each resort is also unique, utilising indigenous building style and materials to reflect the culture and country in which it is located. Each resort eschews ostentation in favour of intimate luxury, which manifests itself in the absence of a reception desk, bellboys or lobby while guests enjoy a well stocked in-house library. “

Some more guidance on what changes would be needed would be welcome.

Regards John Prattley

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Catalomics

Author seems to have created the article twice, requesting that it be deleted. Failure to understand how Wikipedia works notwithstanding, might I suggest page recreation protection for a time, so that he cannot make the same mistake? - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 21:47, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Though, Google seems to return alot of references to the term... - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 21:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Giant red letters scare me! :(

How does the new page protection work??? - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 21:53, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

What the heck?!

I was nothing CLOSE to finishing The Missingno. page! it takes time!Wikidude57 rude 22:02, 11 February 2008 (UTC) You deleter! you delete everything! rude Wikidude57 Pika! 22:07, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Spam in Wisconsin wetlands

Hello, this is a message from an automated bot. A tag has been placed on Wisconsin wetlands, by another Wikipedia user, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. The tag claims that it should be speedily deleted because Wisconsin wetlands is blatant advertising for a company, product, group, service or person that would require a substantial rewrite in order to become an encyclopedia article.

To contest the tagging and request that administrators wait before possibly deleting Wisconsin wetlands, please affix the template {{hangon}} to the page, and put a note on its talk page. If the article has already been deleted, see the advice and instructions at WP:WMD. Feel free to contact the bot operator if you have any questions about this or any problems with this bot, bearing in mind that this bot is only informing you of the nomination for speedy deletion; it does not perform any nominations or deletions itself. To see the user who deleted the page, click here CSDWarnBot (talk) 17:31, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Delete Tag

Thanks for the heads up. I placed the tag using NPWatcher, apparently while (or immediately after) the article was moved by the contributor who wrote it. I'll pay better attention in the future :). Alexbrewer^{talk} 17:36, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks again for the great communication. I try to never be offended on Wikipedia as people tend to be acting in good faith :P. Alexbrewer^{talk} 17:40, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Penn Singers

Thanks for the notice. Since this article was previously put through AFD, it is not elegible for a PROD. You could certainly propose selectively merging (Smerge) some of the content to the main article on the university they are associated with, or an article about student activities and groups at the university, or you could put it up for AFD again. Edison (talk) 19:12, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Richard Alan Fox

I note that you added a PROD tag to the article. It previously went to AfD and survived. Someone has removed the prod tag, and i suggest that if you want it deleted, take it to AfD again. Thanks. Twenty Years 06:08, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Mitchell Royce

I have restored the article on Mitchell Royce since it was deleted out of process. CSD A7 applies to real people. This article is about a fictional person. Hope that clarifies. Hiding T 16:37, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: Chris Britt

Should not be deleted, but rather reverted to an earlier version, would you agree? GregorB (talk) 20:59, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Not the same person. The cartoonist is 46[3], while the CEO looks younger. GregorB (talk) 22:05, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

User page

Not sure why but your user page seems to be under attack. I semi-protected it for 2 weeks. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 04:20, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

There is a least one other self-protected admin user page. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 22:13, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

David M. Broome

I think he's notable enough, as Ross Perot would be in American elections. - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 21:20, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

By all means, then, challenge in WP:AFD. Not sure of the rationale in unsuccessful election bids. - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 21:26, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Re. Sarah Monette and her books

I agree that the articles need expansion, but aren't the "novel stub" and "US novelist stub" tags sufficient for this purpose? TechBear (talk) 14:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review Sally Nicholls

Hello, I wasn't involved with the original page. I believe you processed the Deletion for the biography-related article about the children's author Sally Nicholls. Her book Ways to Live Forever just won the Waterstone's Children's Book Prize two weeks ago. I went to create an article about her and it seems that there was one in the recent past. I think it mighe be preferable to improve the previous article that recreate from scratch (deleted A7) now that relevance exists and can be established. Would you be happy to restore the page so that it can be improved. Many Thanks, —Sladen (talk) 16:40, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

hi

if you'd like to take up issue with carmel's notability in accords to WP:CORP then please bring it up on the talk page as apposed to slapping a template on it. as for it reading like an advertisement, well, besides for the fact that i wouldn't have created the article had i not thought the company was notable, i would also have no intention of advertising the services of a company that does not advertise its services at all, anywhere, anytime. Skinnypickle (talk) 14:57, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

i dont get you, i did say plz, didnt i? Skinnypickle (talk) 16:59, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

deletion of XIML page

Hello, I've added an article about new technology called XIML but noticed that is was deleted by you. The reason given was (G11: Blatant advertising). I'm not sure I understand this reason - XIML is a working technology and already used in few high-profile projects. Every sentence in its description backed up by working examples. Thanks, Shklyar (talk) 00:56, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Howell Harris

I just looked at the Howell Harris article. Glad to see he is included. I shall have to add to the refs Richard Bennett's "HH and the Dawn of Revival" (1909) which I have linked in a re-write of the Lead of Methodism Anyway, a good if brief article on HH. Robert of Ramsor (talk) 02:53, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Unexpected deletion of 'Banishment in the Bible'

I just discovered that 'Banishment in the Bible' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banishment_in_the_Bible has been deleted on February 2, 2008.

Apparently a Prod has been placed on this article, and it was left uncontested for 5 days. I have not been aware during those 5 days that the Prod has been placed on the article -- there was no notice going to my email.

I cannot find the original Prod either.

What was the nature of the Prod placed on 'Banishment in the Bible' that lead to its deletion?

I've restored this article per a contention at Wikipedia:Deletion_review#Banishment_in_the_Bible noting that it had already been deleted per prod previously, so it wasn't eligible for a second proposed deletion. --Tikiwont (talk) 09:14, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Well it seems that User:Rpdant767 expected a notification via e-mail, which we don't do here, of course. As for the rest, I restored in on procedural grounds. I am not sure, what you mean with the first prod having been handled "through the back door", but i think direct ex-post contention with and restoration by the deleting admin is quite common and covered by WP:PROD, while going to DRV is the exception, where most people then also miss the section dedicated to prod and directly post a review request, which is usually granted speedily with an Afd listing optional.--Tikiwont (talk) 18:19, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Changeling (Eberron) restored

This article has been restored after its deletion was contested at Wikipedia:Deletion review. As you nominated the article to be deleted via WP:PROD, you may wish to nominate the article for a full deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:04, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

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Notability request

Thanks for checking out the page for Ralph Archer. I understand your desire to make Wikipedia better! Wikipedia:WikiProject College football considers all head college coaches past and present to be notable--in fact, it's a major part of our work. Granted, a lot of smaller schools have stub-articles for many of their coaches (and I agree that the article you selected could benefit from expansion), but I wanted to respond to your post. You might recall a similar discussion about Mike Kirkland (coach) back in Dec 2007--Paul McDonald (talk) 22:43, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

RfA - Discospinster

Thank you so much for your support in my RfA, which was successful with a final count of 70/1/1! ... discospinster _talk 23:17, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of monarchs in the British Isles revisited

Hello, since you commented in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of monarchs in the British Isles, I thought you might like to know that it is again up for discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of monarchs in the British Isles (2nd nomination). Regards, Angus McLellan (Talk) 11:28, 20 March 2008 (UTC) (P.S. Perhaps you'd consider archiving this page?)

Wallace v. Child

Regarding the notability tag: These cases are all listed in the List of United States Supreme Court cases, volume 1. As part of that project, I have started with 1 US 1 and am working my way through the cases. Even though they aren't actually SCOTUS cases, they are reported in United States Reports. That much is in the lead section. Moreover, these are of historical value as they are among the earliest reported cases from any court in North America. Finally, I discuss each case's lasting effect on the corpus juris in the "Precedential Effect" section.

I'm new to wikipedia, so if I've missed something, please let me know. Thanks. Jim Simmons (talk) 20:02, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

George Spink

Not sure you saw the article history in detail before speedying it... it had been stubbed down in such a way as to remove all the notability claims. Please take another look. --Dweller (talk) 11:53, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

There were several claims to notability buried in the morass. The strongest was being a presenter on a national radio station that attracted RS coverage. That alone, IMHO, would warrant AfD, rather than speedy. --Dweller (talk) 13:18, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

8½ Souvenirs deletion

I added a couple of links to the talk page supporting the notability of 8½ Souvenirs but one of them triggered a spam block for some reason. I didn't remove the deletion notice. I think they're sufficiently notable but I'm not really interesting in spending a lot more time defending the article and I have little source material to improve it other than copies of their CD's. - Planders (talk) 03:03, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I added some more supporting links and I'm planning to remove the deletion notice within about 24 hours unless there is further disagreement. Thanks, Planders (talk) 03:22, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Easterman

Regards:Easterman (talk) 17:48, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

The "Prince/ss X of Wales" Issue

Just thought I'd let you know that there's a discussion about the above at the WikiProject, and I'm inviting all of the members to join in ^† DBD 13:40, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

ontheball

You didn't even read it, please mind your own bussiness Ray-Rays (talk) 11:56, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I will tell you what is imporant, so mind your own bussiness and I will deal with what is Australian and waht is an imporant Victorian issure —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raymond88824 (talk • contribs) 12:00, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

My RfA

I can has mop?

Hi Deb! Thank you for your support in my RfA (87/3/3). I truely appreciate the many votes of confidence, and I will exert myself to live up to those expectations. Thanks again! - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 17:56, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Witness Justice page deleted

Hi, I just noticed that the Witness Justice page was deleted on 1/14/2008 for "blatant advertising." Could you please direct me to the area that you object to so that I can revise and repost? Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by HelgaWest (talk • contribs) 14:01, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Nice Plagiarism on the Valerie Pitts Article

Nice job of copying word-for-word from http://www.economicexpert.com/a/Valerie:Pitts.html to start the Valerie Pitts article. Regards... Stevenmitchell (talk) 16:11, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Deletion Review for Leira (goddess)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Leira (goddess). Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review.

Chuck Wilson

Hi, I'd like to contest the prod of this article, assuming that it is about the jazz musician. Thanks. Chubbles (talk) 18:17, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Chubbles (talk) 19:06, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of LeechCraft article

Hi! You've deleted the article about LeechCraft software with G11 mark, and I don't think it's either blatant advertising or not encyclopedic. I agree that it may seem like an advertisment, but it is not.

Please tell me what's wrong with the article and I'll try to edit it to suit Wikipedia standards. By the way, I have edited it a bit, is there a way to show you new version? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 0xd34df00d (talk • contribs) 17:43, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Iran-Iraq/Russia article, as part of a broader context of Wikipedia dispute resolution

Please feel free to email me if you like. If you don't mind, I'd like to point out that the set of sub-articles, under development for the Iran-Iraq War page (see structure at User:Hcberkowitz#Iran and Iraq, is intended to reduce rants, not turn up the flames. The use of specific sub-articles, starting last fall, has been very helpful in reducing flames, edit/revert wars, and the like with the Central Intelligence Agency page and a now extensive set of sub-pages.

My intention, as you can probably see from my userpage discussion, is to establish a framework in which people knowledgeable, in specific areas, can discuss particular issues, without setting off an explosive chorus of POV-pushing in the main article. Iran-Iraq even has revert wars over the infobox, much less trying to understand the nuances of a very complex international situation.

It was my goal to set up a framework for sub-articles, knowing I don't have the time, expertise, or resources to fill in many of them. In some cases, however, I do have detailed knowledge. Some controversial Wikiprojects, such as Wikipedia:WikiProject Sri Lanka Reconciliation‎ have developed means of dispute resolution that serve as a model, but, even now, I'm discussing the applicability of specialized sub-pages with some editors there. A little while ago, we had an initially frustrating, but eventually productive, exchange over a reference I had made to counter-terror and had used Sri Lanka as an example. The point I'm making is even though I was clashing -- we were not understanding one another -- with another editor, that project's culture is such that others stepped in to mediate. It turned out that I was using a term of military art, while the other editor assumed any reference to "terror" meant the reference came under the Bush Administration's "Global War on Terror".

I hope that this can be a mutual learning experience for us. The way the copyrighted text had slipped by was that I normally start writing locally, then upload the text into userspace to check wikilinks, formatting, etc. Apparently, I had uploaded a version before the specific text was paraphrased and integrated in a fair use manner.

Incidentally, I enjoyed a very pleasant dinner in Wales, when I wasn't closing my eyes tightly and wondering if I was going to die on the way there. You see, I was staying with friends in Plymouth, one of whom is a European-ranked race driver (although more of an engineer). Intellectually, I know he was in total control when making high-speed sharp turns on narrow streets. Emotionally, it felt like a continuous crash. I vaguely recall kissing the parking lot when we reached the restaurant. Howard C. Berkowitz (talk) 19:38, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Apropos where I was in Wales -- I wish I knew; it was a lovely waterfront inn and restaurant, but I had tended to close my eyes during the drive. If I still have a current email for my host, I'll try to find out.

More seriously, when trying to get out a system of sub-articles, and there is time pressure because it's intended to help defuse an intense POV war, it's entirely possible that there may be a journalistic flavor, because, especially in a context of national security matters, it is far easier to get to journalistic accounts than more serious ones. Much more non-journalistic government reporting tends to be accessible in the US than in some other countries; I have a continuing discussion, in the intelligence area, with some British colleagues with how to cite things that we know to be true, that we know is actually unclassified, but there is no easy way to cite it.

Indeed, I have asked several British colleagues on Wikipedia to give a close look at the article on British support to Iraq. I can look at Hansard and not pick up certain nuances, just as someone from the UK can look at our Congressional Record and not recognize that an apparently polite statement is vitriolic, within the customs of the U.S. Congress. One of my colleagues in the Military History project will be at a British university library soon, and will try to track down proper referencing for things I only have described as "Hansard" or "Independent" and a date -- I don't have access to files of such materials from the 1980s.

If you happen to look at the article on British support to Iraq (there will also be one on Iran), I welcome constructive criticism. A good deal of UK involvement during the war seemed to be as a place where the clandestine Iraqi procurement set up shell companies, or bought into established companies, such as Matrix Churchill, as a means to hide purchases that often routed through several countries. So far, it appears that they may have bought the UK headquarters of Matrix Churchill in order to get control of the US subsidiary, which was then used for purchasing. The Scott Report, of which I only have journalistic summaries (and would be delighted to find the actual report) spent three years investigating the Matrix Churchill affair, and, between not having native fluency with the language of Government announcements, I can't necessarily read the intent of the statement. Certainly, some expressions of Presidential confidence here may often mean there will be a resignation within a week or two. Unless my education from "Yes, Minister" serves, I can't extrapolate that from a comment in Parliament. It's just that much harder to interpret a Soviet statement when I don't even read Russian.

These articles are intended to be a community exercise, and I'm the first to try to defuse rants. The whole idea of encouraging this sort of sub-article as a means of dispute resolution is an experiment, but I think a worthwhile one. There is absolutely no question that the U.S. did stupid things with respect to both Iran and Iraq in the seventies and eighties, but there is also no grounds to assume, as some editors with a strong national POV do, that the US was the grand puppetmaster. I tend to be amazed when people focus on the US involvement in the Iran-Iraq War, to the exclusion of the Iraqi invasion of Iran. I tend to be amazed when I encounter claims that the US was the supplier of arms to Iraq, when they principally used French and Soviet equipment. This isn't POV, this is what can be seen by looking at a battlefield picture and recognizing the equipment. In other words, these sub-articles are an attempt to elicit facts, with multiple participants, to counterbalance POV -- and I'm emphatically not referring to anti-US POV alone. Sometimes, the POV, in exchanges with people in other countries, is an assumption that the government has total control over entertainment and news media, so if a movie offends some country or group, it is clearly US or UK or Danish or the policy of any number of Western governments. Howard C. Berkowitz (talk) 20:22, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

The problem with trying to combine "X" country support, in the Iran-Iraq War, is that some countries supported only one, but others supported both, perhaps at different times. Sometimes, the dual or changing support had a rationale, good or bad, in national policy. For example, while the US was first neutral, and then tilted to Iraq, there is considerable argument that the real US policy was to let the two sides exhaust one another. Others suggest it wasn't that coherent, as with the Iran-Contra affair, in which a small group of Reagan Administration officials were willing to do almost anything to support the Nicaraguan Contras, even if that meant circumventing the Boland Amendment forbidding such support, and getting the Israelis to sell arms to Iran so the proceeds could go to the Contras.

In other cases, the interest seemed more commercial. One of the haunting images of that war is the religiously-motivated Iranian volunteers running into minefields, clearing the way for the regular forces by means of their own death. A different issue, one critical to the US, was the Iranian sea mining of the Persian Gulf. A natural question, therefore, is "who supplied the mines"? It turns out that Italian firms were providing mines to both sides. Once the Italian government blocked the export, some of the mine manufacturers sent their designs to Singapore, and, using explosives made by Switzerland's Oerlikon, shipped the mines, often via several intermediate countries, to both Iran and Iraq.

I am a fair artist, and hope I can manage to get some of the scribbled drawings I had to make for myself, to understand what had happened in transactions that literally involved ten countries. It's a bit ironic that there is an excellent book, The Pledge by Leonard Slater, that describes just such maneuvers in 1945-1948, as supplies were secretly obtained for the Israeli War of Independence. It's understandable that it would be logical to put something into "Country A actions during the Iran-Iraq War", but I don't know how to describe, other than by starting with the country of origin, to describe something that involved countries A-B-C-D-E-F-G-H and then may have branched into Iran and Iraq. If you have any thoughts on how to deal with such complexity, I'd welcome them. Next to me is a drawing that I despair of drawing for anyone else to decode, on how the German H+H company was partially acquired by an Iraqi front company, which gave it the money to let contracts in several other countries, with the actual goods being shipped from Austria. I count at least nine companies and countries, and, although I didn't draw it, I know that some of those companies went through several concealing levels of ownership. Howard C. Berkowitz (talk) 20:44, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

"My question to you, I suppose, would be "Is this an appropriate task for Wikipedia?" That's a fair question, and I'll try to answer without answering a question with a question. I've mentioned the Sri Lankan Civil War as one controversy, where the sides mostly blame one another, but become offended by outside judgments. Israel-Palestine is another complex situation, with multiple factions in each side -- and then claims about how outside powers are influencing the situation. In the case of the Iran-Iraq War, the war itself is over, but there are some editor, mostly on the Iranian side, that see it as a massive Western plot, with the US being the puppetmaster.

Wikipedia can't change the minds of the hard-liners in any of these conflicts. It is my hope to give facts to the people who are confused by the controversy. For example, someone might hear that the US is the puppetmaster in several conflicts. That's harder to explain when Israel, for example, is using weapons marked "made in USA", but it's harder to make the argument that Iraq, using Russian and French weapons, was being supplied by the US. These are fairly basic facts that I think are within the scope of Wikipedia: what weapons were being used by a given side.

It becomes more complex when the question of how the weapons were bought comes in. It becomes more complex when there has been regime change, and the current side is using weapons from the previous regime's patron. As an example, Iran, under the Shah, bought large quantities of US and UK tanks. During the Iran-Iraq War, the UK agreed to supply parts but not ammunition for the Chieftain tanks, which had been captured in sufficient quantity by the Iraqis that both sides needed spare parts for UK-built tanks.

It comes down, I think, to a matter of Wikipedia policy. If Wikipedia will cover complex wars at all, and wants to be anything more than the oversimplifications of the mainstream media, I believe that Wikipedia can appeal to the open mind, by going through a step-by-step, often complex, analysis of what happened. Seriously, what is the alternative? It would make more sense to me to have a rule to say that Wikipedia should not cover intense politics, especially that go into warfare, than allow in a simplified version, and then suggest detailed analysis is outside the scope of Wikipedia. I don't use Wikipedia as a source for such matters; I go to reputable specialized sources, usually research institutes or military institutions with a reputation for accuracy. Where does Wikipedia draw the line on saying something is too complex, or too controversial? Howard C. Berkowitz (talk) 21:47, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Deb, we agree more than you might realize. I did my first electronic collaboration on a document markup somewhere in the late sixties; certainly routinely by the early seventies. While the tools were primitive, the first work was within a single organization, and either no one was anonymous, or there was a moderator who both knew all identities and was accepted as an honest broker. Things moved along with the tools of the ARPANET and netnews/USENET, but the community was small and individual reputations were important.

I probably won't have a quite correct metaphor here, but there was a time anyone could petition the sovereign. In the US, the basic model, especially in New England, was direct democracy, where everyone could speak to an issue. Both of these models began to break down in the physical world, for a basic reason of increasingly large population, but also a tragedy of the commons problem where some individuals had personal agendas that, in modern terms, they would "POV push". Still, those individuals were known and had peer pressure.

It was around 1987, IIRC, when AOL opened up anonymous access to news. Before then, there was no real anonymity. In professional groups, one's words were important to professional reputations, but in social groups, there were much relaxation of the standard of conversations, but there was still quick reaction to system abusers. Just as direct democracy was replaced by representative democracy, with the representative/MP known to the citizenry, I really question if a completely open process, which allows anonymity, can scale in the kind of fact gathering that Wikipedia tries to do, especially in complex issues. Your political process is not nearly as polluted with POV advertising as ours, and we have a nightmarish primary and general election system.

So, I suppose I have many doubts that a large, anonymous (please excuse typos--cat on keyboard) process, like Jimbo Wales' vision, really will work with an increasingly large population. He might, however, be right, and I should give the idea a chance. You are perfectly right that the controversial issues tend not to converge, although I've seen at least two where appropriate social dynamics developed. I participate because I'd like to be wrong and find out that this model works for a large anonymous population, or can be made to work with limited changes, such as banning anonymous IP editing, requiring several days before an account can post, and other fairly basic steps.

Sincerely, Howard C. Berkowitz (talk) 12:52, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

The Novels WikiProject Newsletter - Issue XXIII - April 2008

Archives  |  Tip Line  |  Editors The Novels WikiProject Newsletter Issue XXIII - April 2008
Project news Elections are now taking place for coordinators of the project for the next six months. Any editors interested in seeking a coordinator position, or who want a say in who is selected, should indicate as much here. Member news The project has currently 381 members, 69 joined & 0 leavers since the start of March 2008. Other news The project's long-time lead coordinator, Kevinalewis, has announced he is not standing as a candidate for another term in that capacity. We would like to take this opportunity to express our gratitude to him for the extraordinary work he has done for this project. To Kill a Mockingbird and El Señor Presidente were both recently promoted to Featured Article status. This brings the novel FA count to 14! It has been suggested that WikiProject Sword of Truth be merged into WP:NOVELS, perhaps as a task force. Task force news Two inactive projects were converted into task forces, so Chronicles of Narnia task force and Lemony Snicket task force have been created. People interested in the aforementioned subjects are encouraged to support the new task forces. (Thank to Wassupwestcoast for the tip) Novel related news The science fiction author Arthur C. Clarke died on 19 March aged 90. The Brief Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao by Junot Díaz won both the National Book Critics Circle Award and the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction for 2007. Current debates There is a discussion regarding further task forces for other genres of fiction now taking place here.	From the Members Welcome to the Twenty Third issue of the Novels WikiProject's newsletter! Use this newsletter as a mechanism to inform yourselves about progress at the project and please be inspired to take more active roles in what we do. We would encourage all members to get more involved and if you are wondering what with, please ask. Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk), Initiating Editor Collaboration of the Month This month's Collaboration has been selected by popular vote and is A Farewell to Arms. Newsletter challenge Last month's challenge (South Wind) was completed by member User:Blathnaid with a nice starting stub. The first person to start the article is mentioned in the next newsletter. This month's article is Kate Christensen's 2008 PEN/Faulkner award winner The Great Man.
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Re:

Thanks, however i've tried to have a look over on the web and there isn't any information on the History or other details expect the address and what area, part from that I can't find any info on the web, if they had an actual website it'll be easier but for some reason they don't so shall I leave that article for now and let other experienced editors to expand the article if they know anything. Terra 12:08, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Deb, please see my comments to the above user on her talk page. I dont see how these articles can stand. DGG (talk) 01:58, 13 April 2008 (UTC) -- By the way, Deb, it has to be by prod--speedy is specifically ruled out for non notable schools, see WP:CSD. DGG (talk) 14:57, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll return to what I was doing previously by Limiting myself to WikiGnome tasks and won't create anymore articles, also in the future will you please just get my Gender correct DGG I'm male. Terra 17:28, 13 April 2008 (UTC) Sorry--see your talk p. DGG (talk) 14:57, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

RFA thanks

Thanks for your support in my RFA, that didn't quite make it and ended at 120/47/13. There was a ton of great advice there, that I'm going to go on. Maybe someday. If not, there are articles to write! Thanks for your support. Lawrence § t/e 18:01, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Requests for Mediation

Hello Deb!!! I irdered your book! lol ! But now I need your voice!

Wales [Cymru] Error: {{Lang}}: text has italic markup (help) Wales
Flag Coat of arms

Greetings Wales community! We need your Voice! We need mediation and impute from the wider community who regularily contribute to articals of Wales interest. At issue is the use of a distinctive border around the country info box, as well title bar. The issue seems to have become a crusade against Wales by certin editors, who have almost never contributed to and practically never visit (by their own admission) the Wales page. I do not tust the motives of the editor, whome seems to be stalking my edits and reverting them purposefully. This editor even dismisses the colors of Wales red and green saying that Wales does not have any official colors! (quote: "I imagine that this use of "national colours" (of which Wales has none by custom or tradition)...", Unfortunatly, I must deal with these cyber bullying tactics if I am to contribute here. However, I implore the Wales commmunity to weigh in on the topic of allowing info box borders and title headers. Please submit views on Template talk:Infobox Country and talk:Wales. If the wider Wales community decides not to support a border and title header color in the colors of Wales then I will withdrawal from this position. However, I and other editors do feel it makes the Wales page far more distinctive. Sincerly, David Llewellyn♦Drachenfyre♦·Talk 02:24, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Quick help

Hi, I'm having trouble (keep getting errors) restoring a page I deleted in error. The page is Catholicos of the east. Can you restore everything except my last two edits please? I'm messaging you because I can see you're active. Thanks! Stifle (talk) 20:08, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi! You've deleted the article about Blockdot with G11 mark, and I don't think it's either blatant advertising or not encyclopedic. I agree that it may seem like an advertisement, but it is not.

Please tell me what's wrong with the article and I'll try to edit it to suit Wikipedia standards. By the way, is there a way to retrieve what you deleted? I don't have a local copy.

Deletion of Blockdot Article-help?

Hi! You've deleted the article about Blockdot with G11 mark, and I don't think it's either blatant advertising or not encyclopedic. I agree that it may seem like an advertisment, but it is not.

Please tell me what's wrong with the article and I'll try to edit it to suit Wikipedia standards. By the way, is there a way to retreive the article? I don't have a local copy.

• • • UPDATE

I have updated the article and want to re-submit, how do I go about doing that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcopollo (talk • contribs) 14:28, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

cy.wicipedia

Hi Deb. I had not realised you had left me a message regarding User:OldakQuill at cy.wikipedia. This message is to confirm that I am User:OldakQuill and that I did leave that request on your talkpage at cy.wikipedia (http://cy.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sgwrs_Defnyddiwr%3ADeb&diff=293847&oldid=287725). I have already tried making the global user account, so as soon as the name is usurped on cy.wikipedia, I think it will be OK. Thank you for your help. --Oldak Quill 01:17, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

I think Defnyddiwr:OldakQuill needs to be renamed to a different user account name, since there are still contributions and a password associated with that account. If Defnyddiwr:OldakQuill is renamed "OldakQuill (vandal)" or something, I think that will free up Defnyddiwr:OldakQuill. Thank you for all of this :) --Oldak Quill 20:12, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Deb. Further to this exchange, I am still having problems unifying my account due to the unavailability of cy:Defnyddiwr:OldakQuill ([4]). I believe there was a bug when I requested this move that prevented cy:Defnyddiwr:OldakQuill being renamed to a different name (such as the Welsh equivalent of cy:Defnyddiwr:OldakQuill (vandal)). If you have free time, would it be possible to rename cy:Defnyddiwr:OldakQuill to a different username on cy.wikipedia using cy:Arbennig:Renameuser so that my global account unification can be completed? Thanks, Oldak Quill 06:41, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Bane

Would you please take a look at Bane which you deleted on 30 January 2008 and Bane (disambiguation). Something doesn't seem right. Thanks. SDC (talk) 09:45, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

I think something's still amiss. Where's the original "bane" page? Look at the first sentence on the disambiguation page. It's referring to a page that no longer exists. I think it's the page you deleted. What was on the original "bane" page? Thanks. SDC (talk) 22:01, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Change title of an article

hi, Deb,

thanks for the nice welcome. I'd like to ask you a question about the article Sian James (novelist) which I've been making some changes to. You've taken an interest in this page in the past, so I thought you might give me a pointer.

I'd like to know if I can change the article's name to 'Siân James (novelist)' - ie with a ^ (to bach) over the 'a', because that's how she spells it. I don't know if it's possible (or advisable). I can't see an obvious place to make this change.

Thanks, SophieTypeface (talk) 21:02, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

That's great, Deb, got it! thanks again for the tip SophieTypeface (talk) 22:46, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Two Still Lives in Free Fall

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Two Still Lives in Free Fall, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? (found among articles not touched since 2005--the Juan María Solare articles and its category may need some work. DGG (talk) 20:46, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

New Project

Myself and several other editors have been compiling a list of very active editors who would likely be available to help new editors in the event they have questions or concerns. As the list grew and the table became more detailed, it was determined that the best way to complete the table was to ask each potential candidate to fill in their own information, if they so desire. This list is sorted geographically in order to provide a better estimate as to whether the listed editor is likely to be active.

If you consider yourself a very active Wikipedian who is willing to help newcomers, please either complete your information in the table or add your entry. If you do not want to be on the list, either remove your name or just disregard this message and your entry will be removed within 48 hours. The table can be found at User:Useight/Highly Active, as it has yet to have been moved into the Wikipedia namespace. Thank you for your help. Useight (talk) 06:11, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

The Novels WikiProject Newsletter - Issue XXIV - May 2008

The May 2008 issue of the Novels WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. SteveCrossinBot (talk) 07:55, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

My RfA

Hi Deb; I wanted to say thank you for supporting my request for adminship, which passed with 100 supports, 0 opposes and 1 neutral. I wanted to get round everybody individually, even though it's considered by some to be spam (which... I suppose it is! but anyway. :)). It means a lot to me that the community has placed its trust in my ability to use the extra buttons, and I only hope I can live up to its expectations. If you need anything, or notice something that bothers you, don't hesitate to let me know. Thanks again, PeterSymonds | talk 22:32, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

WP:HAU has a new format

Due to popular demand, HAU has a new look. Since the changes are so dramatic, I may have made some mistakes when translating the data. Please take a look at WP:HAU/EU and make sure your checkmarks are in the right place and feel free to add or remove some. There is a new feature, SoxBot V, a recently approved bot, automatically updates your online/offline status based on the length of time since your last edit. To allow SoxBot V to do this, you'll need to copy [[Category:Wikipedians who use StatusBot]] to your userpage. Obviously you are not required to add this to your userpage, however, without this, your status will always be "offline" at HAU. Thanks. Useight (talk) 17:15, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Harry Potter Fan Zone

Hi Deb. Could you please review your speedy deletion of this page? It's stated in your summary that the article was "about a web site that does not assert significance", but sentence like "To date, the website is the largest Harry Potter fan site in the Southern Hemisphere, and is regarded as one of the top Potter fan sites in the world", and the mention of some fan site award by jKRowling would sound to me sufficient claim of notability. Best, --PeaceNT (talk) 10:43, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Merkt, John L. Deletion

Hello: I feel you "jumped the gun" in your deletion of the article under construction. Mr. Merkt is no doubt of significant importance, as evidenced by his placement into the Wisconsin history textbooks, articles referencing him on sites such as the NY TIMES, his inclusion into the Wisconsin Blue Book, etc. As such, I have recreated the page in question. More information and discussion is available on the talk page for this article. R3ap3R.inc (talk) 18:41, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Redirect

Redirect points to John L Merks, should be Merkt. R3ap3R.inc (talk) 19:13, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Through The Blood

Okuyukashii (talk) 11:44, 28 May 2008 (UTC) Why was my article deleted, and how can I re-create one that will not be deleted?

MEDport Deleted?

I added references from reputable sources. Why would it be deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Annarachael (talk • contribs) 17:38, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I will rewrite it! May I send it to you to read before I repost it? I don't want it to get deleted again and I want to make sure that I do this correcty. Thank you for your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Annarachael (talk • contribs) 19:23, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Help with Articles

Deb,

I have made several revisions with Fit & Fresh and would really like to figure out what else I could do to keep it from being deleted. Could you please point me in the right direction as to what exactly was wrong with the article? It is neutral and includes references from very reputable sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Annarachael (talk • contribs) 20:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

le Despenser /le Despencer

Hi Deb. It appears to me that all of the articles that use the spelling of "le Despencer" should be redirected or moved to the spelling "le Despenser" including the one I recently started Elizabeth le Despencer, Baroness le Despencer. Or maybe not?? Anyway there are many dead links because of the disparity. And if it is done I presume it should be done diplomatically with appropriate communication of the change in the article's discussion page or maybe even asking permission from the article's starting editor? Just curious if you have noticed the problem and if you have an opinion on it. Daytrivia (talk) 17:06, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks much. I may begin to experiment with the task. Daytrivia (talk) 19:31, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Re your comment

I'm sure he'll be back, apparently he's left before so we will have to see. But I will certainty try not to rise to provocation, I mean just the other day he posted on a users talk page saying I "have problems". But I will certainly try not to use such emotive language in future, though I think the WP:NC discussion business got rather out of hand. Thanks for your comments any way, nice to hear some kind words. - dwc lr (talk) 16:24, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

MEDport and Fit & Fresh

Thank you for your feedback. Would it be OK, if I emailed you my revised article? I want to make sure that I am doing this correctly and would like to avoid getting deleted again. Thanks again for your help. Annarachael (talk) 16:11, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

WP:HAU

Hello yet again. I regretfully inform you that the bot we were using to update the user status at Wikipedia:Highly Active Users, SoxBot V, was blocked for its constant updating. With this bot out of operation, a patch is in the works. Until that patch is reviewed and accepted by the developers, some options have been presented to use as workarounds: 1) Qui monobook (not available in Internet Explorer); 2) User:Hersfold/StatusTemplate; 3) Manually updating User:StatusBot/Status/USERNAME; or 4) Not worry about it and wait for the patch to go through, which hopefully won't take long. If you have another method, you can use that, too. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Useight (talk) 22:21, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

MEDport/Fit & Fresh revised article

Deb,

Thank you for your help. I am pasting my revised article below. I combined the two into one article. A * means that there will be a footnote reference. The article addresses why the company is important because of what it produces. As you can see, there are many neutral reporters from reputable publications that have written about the company. Please let me know what you think and what I should do to change it if it is still not appropriate for a Wikipedia article.

MEDport LLC designs, manufactures, and distributes consumer healthcare products. MEDport currently controls 73 US and international patents and trademarks*. The company helps its consumers live a healthy and managable lifestyle by producing innovative diabetic supplies, ergonomic digital thermometers, and a line of portion-controlled containers for dining on the go.

Led since 2005, by Larry Wesson, MEDport LLC is headquartered in Providence, RI. The Company’s products are designed to help consumers monitor and maintain their health. MEDport has developed kits for diabetics to store their supplies with ease while traveling, created the first FDA approved storage case for Sharps disposal, and, in a partnership with Timex, invented an ergonomic digital thermometer to prevent choking. Additionally, MEDport develops specialty products for companies such as Avon and The Vitamin Shoppe.

In 2006, MEDport launched Fit & Fresh, a line of portion-controlled storage containers to allow consumers to eat healthy on the go. The majority of the products come with removable ice packs to keep food fresh and chilled until mealtime. The idea for the line came from interviews with consumers frustrated by the lack of healthy eating options while on the go*. This brand is important in helping consumers eat the right amount of food and save money*. Fit & Fresh is sold at major retailers such as Linens N’Things, Target, Kmart, and Bed Bath & Beyond.

First Generation The first generation of Fit & Fresh products debuted in 2006 and included items such as:

The Salad Shaker * The Lunch on the Go * The Breakfast Chiller The Fruit and Veggie Bowl * Snack Clips The Chilled Shaker *

Second Generation - Fit & Fresh System The next generation of Fit & Fresh is a system of products intended to help consumers prepare their meals in advance for use throughout the week. It includes items such as:

Smart Portion™ Prep Center * Smart Portion™ Prep & Pack Tray Smart Portion™ Chill Containers * Deluxe Lunch Chiller Lunch Chiller Gourmet Cuisine Chiller

Links

MEDport official site.

Fit & Fresh Official site.

References

“Medport Bounces Back then Moves Forward” Chain Drug Review, April 10, 2006

Resnick, Susan Kushner, “Learning to carry on” Providence Journal, April 9, 2006

Myers, Natalie, “Local firm has fresh ideas for food storage,” Providence Business News, June 5-11, 2006, Volume 21, Issue 8.

Ortiz, David, “Innovating in health and wellness,” Providence Business News, November 12-18, 2007, Volume 22, Number 31.

“About Medport” Official Medport Website, accessed January 2, 2008.

Myers, Natalie, “Local firm has fresh ideas for food storage,” Providence Business News, June 5-11, 2006, Volume 21, Issue 8.

Fischer, Eileen, “Packing lunch saves money, calories,” Connecticut Post, June, 21, 2006.

“Fit & Fresh Storage” Los Angeles Daily News, June 27

“Family Update,” Family Times Magazine, August-September 2006.

“Eating on the run?” Shape, Fall 2006. “You can take it with you” Weill Medical College of Cornell University Food & Fitness Advisor, October, 2006, Volume 9, Number 10.

Deer, Karen, “Running Hot & Cold” St. Louis Post-Dispatch, September 2, 2006.

Puckett, Susan, “A really cool (and warm) lunchtime idea,” The Atlanta Journal Constitution, June 22, 2006.

Enna, Renee “Off the Shelf,” Chicago Tribune, June 21, 2006.

“The ultimate storage units” Men’s Health Magazine October 2006.

Knodel, Jamie “Breakfast Chiller takes Cereal and fruit on the road” Dalls Morning News, October 27, 2007.

Ortiz, David, “Innovating in health and wellness,” Providence Business News, November 12-18, 2007, Volume 22, Number 31.

Hallet, Vicky “Size Matters” Washington Post, March 18, 2008.

“Shopping Cart” Washington Post March 26, 2008.

Berstos, Margarita “I Wussed Out” Glamour.com, March 27, 2008.

Shedden, Mary “Review: Portion Control Products” Tampa Tribune, March 27, 2008.

Ravn, Karen “Portion control products: Do they work?” Los Angeles Times, March 31, 2008.

Vann, Korky “SUCH A DEAL: Cool Stuff For Under 10 Bucks” Hartford Courant, April 11, 2008.

“Food Storage? Chill” Houston Chronicle, April 22, 2008.

Gedan, Gail Spencer “The Skinny” South Florida Sun Sentinel, April 23, 2008.

Frankie-Folstad, Kim “Cravings: Stuff We Gotta Have” Tampa Tribune, April 29, 2008.

“Rave Reviews” Fitness Rx Magazine, May/June 2008.

Annarachael (talk) 15:10, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Deb. I will keep working on it. Annarachael (talk) 12:13, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Deb,

I cut this down significantly. Is it any better?

MEDport

MEDport LLC designs, manufactures, and distributes consumer healthcare products. The company currently controls 73 US and international patents and trademarks.

Led since 2005 by Larry Wesson, MEDport LLC is headquartered in Providence, RI. The company creates products that assist consumers in maintaining a healthy lifestyle, such as a supply kit for diabetics, an FDA approved sharps disposal case, and, in a partnership with Timex, an ergonomic digital thermometer that prevents choking. Additionally, MEDport develops specialty products for companies such as Avon and The Vitamin Shoppe.

In 2006, MEDport launched Fit & Fresh, a line of portion-controlled storage containers with removable ice packs for on-the-go consumers who want to keep their food fresh until mealtime. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Annarachael (talk • contribs) 19:19, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Deb! I will post it today. Annarachael (talk) 17:09, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Bureaucrat

Hi Deb,

I hope you don't mind me making one suggestion...why don't you apply to become a Bureaucrat, you already do a lot of good work for Wikipedia, so you should be recognised for this. Best wishes. Seth Whales (talk) 20:13, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

The Novels WikiProject Newsletter - Issue XXV - June 2008

The June 2008 issue of the Novels WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. SteveBot (owner) 00:21, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

That seems to have done it! Thank you very much for your effort with this. I will return the favour some day. --Oldak Quill 12:15, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

==George "Two Ton" Harris-- Hello, maybe you could wait just a bit before slapping a tag on it? I just started putting some content in place, and had to quit and go home. Why is everyone so fast with the tags? --THE FOUNDERS INTENT ^TALK 01:43, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

1345

You moved this without discussion. Could you please move it back and discuss it before moving. I know that I and many others would be opposed to it. Wrad (talk) 17:40, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I've tried to fix it, but I couldn't. Your move messed up all of the templates on it. Please discuss next time before moving important articles like this one. Wrad (talk) 17:51, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I was trying to fix what you did. YOU were the one who altered the original consensus! You never left a note anywhere about it at all! Wrad (talk) 17:53, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Deb, just look at the talk page of the freaking thing! Overwhelming support! The thing almost made GA status! Most editors want this change. Wrad (talk) 17:58, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm reporting you at ANI, my friend. Why do I have to discuss moves when YOU don't? Wrad (talk) 18:00, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Why are you accusing me of moving it? I never did move it until after you did. You moved something that's been there for nearly a year without discussion. Why is that okay? Can you explain this to me instead of just accusing me of something I didn't do? Wrad (talk) 18:05, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Please respond. I don't like reporting people on things like this. I've got just as much support on my side as you have. My changing that page several months ago was a controversial decision and was heavily discussed, as can be seen if you choose to read the lengthy talk page. Ultimately though, a consensus decided that the summary was the way they wanted year articles to be, rather than the timeline. Your unilateral move flies in the face of that consensus and lengthy discussion. It also messed up the template on the page. Please pause a moment and look at 1345 (summary) The templates on it are either full of red links or pulling up error messages because of your move. I was trying to fix what you did. I would appreciate not being accused of moving things without discussion. All the discussion you need is on the 1345 summary talk page. If you think it should be different, that is fine, but we need to discuss and establish a new consensus in the normal way. Can you see what I'm saying here? I have placed a request for the move already, but it would be nice if you would revert your change and allow the years project to discuss this of their own accord (which they already have) rather than deciding for yourself, on your own, what should be where. Wrad (talk) 18:18, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I am very involved in the years project. Look at the talk page, not the member's list. The discussion shows overwhelming support for the change. It shows a consensus for the summary on mainspace. The fact that most of it occured after the change was because I put it up on the main page as a DYK then. Naturally there wouldn't be much, if any, discussion until then. The fact still remains that consensus is very much for keeping on the main 1345 space. You accuse me of just leaving it there to rot and not expanding. I invite you to look at User:Wrad/Sandbox where I am working on a 1346 summary. It takes a lot of time and effort. You don't have all the information you need to make a judgement call on this and I just respectfully ask that you change back to how it was, and let wikipedia work its course. I have stated my opinion on the years page and invite you to do the same. Wrad (talk) 18:35, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I think you guys are working this out, but I wanted to point out some breakage: The old 1345 article, 1345 (summary), is pretty seriously broken (please look at it). The talk pages are now messed up: Talk:1345 timeline is now a double redirect. For reference: Wrad did a cut-paste move in 2007-12-30--2007-12-31, then Deb actually moved the articles (1345, 1345 timeline, 1345 (summary)) first today[5][6][7][8]. JackSchmidt (talk) 18:51, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I was about to point out the same thing. Wrad (talk) 22:11, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for trying

I don't mind backing away. I think the header is a real, if minor, problem, and don't mind it being fixed; do so yourself if you like. I give all due credit to Cameron and PoC for noticing it. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:40, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Wonderful

Hi I visited your site .It is wonderful.Love.--Rasoolpuri (talk) 16:09, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

The Exec

Hi there. I noticed that you deleted the article The Exec less than 30 seconds after I started it. I'd like to state that this does fit criteria for notability in comics, though you allowed little time to flesh it out and justify it's existence. Further, even if if it did not meet notability, the fact that a noted film director is adapting it should also add to it's notabiliity. (This is not made up. See the Christopher Nolan article.) I souppose all this is a roundabout way of saying that I think the article was deleted too hastily. Thanks. --Lovepush (talk) 19:09, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of "Sisters in the Building Trades"

Hello, I am a bit confused as to the "Speedy deletion" of my article regarding the non-profit Sisters in the Building Trades.

I am trying to make this article purely informational and Encyclopedic however you have deleted it without any feedback and there was really no information there to start with.

Please advise how I may get this article published and make it non-offensive to you.

Thanks! Melina Harris (President of the "Sisters") —Preceding unsigned comment added by Melinaharris (talk • contribs) 20:59, 7 July 2008 (UTC) --Melinaharris (talk) 21:02, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:HAU, Status, and you!

As you may know, the StatusBot responsible for maintaining the status of the Highly Active Users was taken offline. We now have a replacement in the Qui status system. This semi-automatic system will allow you to easily update your status page found at Special:Mypage/Status which the HAU page code is now designed to read from. If you are already using Qui (or a compatible system) - great! - no action is needed (other than remembering to update your status as necessary). If not, consider installing Qui. You can also manually update this status by changing the page text to online, offline, or busy. While it is not mandatory, the nature of HAU is that people are often seeking a quick answer from someone who is online and keeping our statuses up-to-date will assist with this. Note if you were previously using your /Status page as something other than a one-word status indicator, your HAU entry may have been set to "status=n" to correct display issues. Please clear this parameter if you change things to be "HAU compatible". Further questions can be raised at WT:HAU. This message was delivered by xenobot 23:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Please do not delete my stub for a redirect

I was creating a stub for a redirect to an existing article, 100-year flood. --from the commonly used term, by people that live in flooded regions: "100 year floodplain."

Please go to newspaper articles if you doubt the common parlance of this term.

Please let go; your deletions are disruptive.

Thank you. Dogru144 (talk) 17:31, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

18:37, 10 July 2008 Deb (Talk | contribs) deleted "The Crazy Squeeze" ‎ (A7 (group): Doesn't indicate importance or significance of a group/company/etc.)

This was deleted, however there is a vital significance to this entry.

Contains at one member who is currently part of an important group as listed on Wikipedia The Stitches. Three members of this new group "Crazy Squeeze" are founding members of The Stitches. The Stiches have become the most prominent representative of a notable style of the local punk rock scene of a Orange County California (The Stitches are listed as #23 of 129 best OC bands ever in the newest issue of The OC weekly) Also See link: http://www.ocweekly.com/features/features/throw-it-all-away/20699/ The group and its members are responsbile for the popularization of Orange County punk rock, which is itsef a major institution. Becuase Crazy Squeeze is an off-shoot(not one, but three members) of this influential band, The Crazy Squeeze has major significace. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnnytoomey (talk • contribs) 19:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Peter Ladue

Hi Deb

I'm a new user and wanted to post my bio on Wiki. I'm not sure what I did wrong. Could you give me some guidance and let me edit the page to comply? Colemancreek (talk) 20:29, 10 July 2008 (UTC)Peter Ladue

Deletion of Peter Ladue

Hi Deb

I read your message on my user page. My purpose was not to seek additional work, but to place a bio and career highlights of an Academy Award / Emmy Award winner on Wikipedia, since you already have a pages up on my Academy Award winning film, Karl Hess: Toward Liberty and Karl Hess, the person (entries I'd also like to expand in the future. There has been a lot of new interest in the film and Hess. It's going back into distribution and will be broadcast on the Discovery Channel in the Fall.

Looking at other bios, for example Kevin Burns, I'm not sure where I went wrong but I'm happy to edit it for compliance. But in what way is my bio "blatant commercialism"? I reviewed the guidelines and don't see the problem. I've included no links to commercial websites or contact info. I'm just listing my career accomplishments. Please explain.

I don't have a copy of what I wrote. So, it would be much appreciated if you'd repost it or send me a copy so I can make a copy for further edits.

I know I'm a newbee to Wikipedia, so perhaps I'm not understanding your objections. Your guidance is much appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Colemancreek (talk • contribs) 23:08, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi Deb

I've completely revised the bio. Please let me know if it passes muster. I'd like to add more about the film and Karl Hess but wanted to see if this version was ok first.

Thanks Colemancreek (talk) 23:24, 12 July 2008 (UTC) Peter Ladue

For some reason my edited page is gone. I received another message that I may have linked inappropriately.

Colemancreek (talk) 23:29, 12 July 2008 (UTC) Peter Ladue

I've reverted the page so you can review it. Colemancreek (talk) 23:40, 12 July 2008 (UTC) Peter

Hi Deb I've added the birth date and nationality, as you requested. Thanks for reducing the size of the photo. I had no idea that a 300x250 image would look so big on Wikipedia. Also removed the education info to make it less CV-like and edited copy to make it more fact-based. I'll add a filmography this week. I'm not sure how to add a content box. So, I'll learn about that, too. I'll keep working on this to make it Wikipedia-style. Hope I'm moving in the right direction. Thanks for your help.

Colemancreek (talk) 17:59, 13 July 2008 (UTC)Peter Ladue

Deletion of Dark Ages (band)

You deleated my unfinished page for the band Dark Ages and i would like a copy of everything i wrote up so that i can complete it. Thanks. Pyro Stick (talk) 21:41, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of List of Fraternites and Sororities at the University of Southern Mississippi

you deleted a page that was in compliance with Wikipedia rules and is a carbon copy of the same style list for several other universities. Please restore it immediately.Byxeagle (talk) 18:07, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Creating bureaucrats on Wicipedia

It's a while since I've been in that part of the system and the layout's changed! Let's see... go into "Tudalennau arbennig", go to the "Defnyddwyr a'u galluoedd" section and click "Gwnewch ddefnyddiwr cyffredin yn weinyddwr", enter the user name and reason for promotion, and make sure that "Gosod y fflag biwrocrat" is ticked before you click the "Gosod hawliau'r defnyddiwr" button. I think that should do it! :) -- Arwel (talk) 22:52, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Boo! (band) page

You deleted the page I created about the South African band Boo!, with the reason cited as "Doesn't indicate importance or significance of a group/company/etc". I'm not sure what you mean by this, but I'm sure that the article is important, as I specially came to wikipedia today to look for information on the band. If I misunderstood your action or the intention behind it, please let me know. Otherwise, I'll recreate the abovementioned page soon, as I think it is important for a good encyclopedia to contain it.

Thanks FlorisGroen —Preceding unsigned comment added by FlorisGroen (talk • contribs) 10:25, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I'd really appreciate the original text back, and then I'll edit it as soon as possible to incorporate the band's significance. Thanks for your reply and cooperation! —Preceding unsigned comment added by FlorisGroen (talk • contribs) 10:35, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Thank you for voting in my RfA, which passed with 90 support, 2 oppose, and 0 neutral. All the best, Ben MacDuiTalk/Walk 20:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Tom Sayle

Did you delete my article about The Thompsons? Well, could you restore it so I can finish it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tom Sayle (talk • contribs) 07:51, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Certainly. I will, however, leave them on my talk page unsigned, so when you see my links, just sign them yourself so I know you have got them. I will pay no attention to whether or not you have recreated the article and will keep sending the links (just in case another administrator pushes me into the same situation). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tom Sayle (talk • contribs) 14:13, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

GetBack Media, Inc

HELLLLOOOO??? You don't delete something when it's UNDER CONSTRUCTION. That's why the tag for UNDER CONSTRUCTION exists. (AM I GONNA HAVE TO START WRITING MY ARTICLES IN A WORD DOCUMENT BEFORE POSTING THEM??) Yes I've failed to show how the article is NOTABLE as I've NOT YET ENTERED ANY SOURCES. FYI, I have references and sources from USAToday, FoxBusiness, Forbes, Billboard, MSNBC...should I continue? So don't worry, its NOTABLE all right. Please refrain from tagging stuff for deletion unless you know the rules. PLEASE REVERT THIS IMMEDIATELY SO I CAN FINISH MY ARTICLE.

GabeCorbin (talk) 12:02, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

YOUR COOKIE!!!

Oh man I seriously forgot to give you one cause I forgot I wrote you! I am much calmer and an admin named Abd helped me see I shouldn't get worked up. If I had real cookies or whatever I'd give you the best one. I'm sorry.

But I don't understand. (And yeah someone did tell me it wouldn't be deleted unless it was left unfixed for days.) When you post the underconstruction tag it says:

This page or section is in the middle of an expansion or major revamping. You are welcome to assist in its construction by editing it as well. If this article has not been edited in several days, please remove this template. Please read these proposed guidelines to determine when deletion may be appropriate.

Under "these proposed guidelines" or WP:DPC / Deletion of pages under construction it says that speedy deletion of an underconstruction page should be for: Blatant advertising or spam, Blatant copyright violations, Blatant attack pages, Deliberate misinformation, Total nonsense.

It's not like I wrote "Jimmy's Chicken shack on High Street. Best Chicken in the World! Come down all the time and eat our chicken!" There was a lot of writing and a simple google search would have made it obvious it was a legitimate article I was making. Or better yet, check my history! There weren't any references yet but the heading for the references was there so I was obviously going to put them in. And it's not like even a day had passed, it was like an hour.

I understand what you're saying. Obviously an article, underconstruction tag or not, should get pulled if its truly blatant bs but this was most definitely not the case. And I love how Wikipedia is sure to say, in the very first 3 legitimate reasons for speedy deletion of an underconstruction article: It should be Blatant advertising or spam, Blatant copyright violations, Blatant attack pages, Deliberate misinformation, Total nonsense.

So my apologies to you but I disagree with your statement that every vandal could come and create any kind of nonsense article with impunity. Blatant nonsense would be absolutely fair game. My article was far from blatant anything but blatantly unfinished.

GabeCorbin (talk) has given you a cookie! Cookies promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a cookie, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy munching!

Spread the goodness of cookies by adding {{subst:Cookie}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

GabeCorbin (talk) 17:01, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Aw, thanks! GabeCorbin (talk) 22:20, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Videogame Theater

Hi Deb, I noticed you deleted Videogame Theater on the grounds of "blatant advertising," I reviewed your deletion link policy, and was hoping you could articulate exactly which part of the page falls under this policy. The show was published and aired on Italian TV already and is now being released as an episodic series with a fan base online. Please get back to me when you get a moment, thanks. Brice85 (talk) 19:07, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

RFA thankspam

Thanks for your support in my RFA, which passed with 140 supporting, 11 opposing, and 4 neutral. I will do my best to live up to the trust that you have given to me. If I can ever assist you with anything, just ask.

Cheers!

J.delanoy^gabs_adds 20:24, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

HElP NEEDED

User MrFrench is deleteing Crown Corpyright Images only of Plaid Cymru members and we need mediation in this! Please help!♦Drachenfyre♦·Talk 21:40, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Diary of a Teenage Girl

Sorry to bother you as It looks like you're pretty busy and all, but I want you to confirm your belief that the Diary of a Teenage Girl page should be deleted. I have to ask why because I don't fully understand how you expect me to Improve It. I do not know how else I can since I am not the author or the publisher, I’m just a book crazy person who happens to enjoy Melody Carlson's work. I can't be expected to be perfect and neither should my article. If It Is Incomplete, misleading or false then by all means delete It, but I was careful to make sure that each word that I wrote was correct. Please let me know how you feel on this matter and have a nice day :)! --Watchout4snakes! (talk) 17:40, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

RE: Diary of a Teenage Girl

Thank you for your assistence in this matter. I will do my best to improve the article. Let me know if it is what you expect.--Watchout4snakes! (talk) 18:29, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 31 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Songs of Franz Liszt, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Wafulz (talk) 13:03, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I've Got A Question...

Could you tell me a little bit more about the Wikiproject Novels? If you have enough time that is. Thanks for your help! --Watchout4snakes! (talk) 22:48, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks :) --Watchout4snakes! (talk) 17:19, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Proposal of new naming conventions

Hi, Deb! Could you please take a look at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (names and titles)#Present queens consort and their predecessors? Surtsicna (talk) 10:35, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

formatting

In what way do you mean? Regards Ijanderson977 (talk) 20:42, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

ahhh that will be because you are using the rather s**t internet explorer (no offense) or because you have a wrong/ different screen resolution? Are you Welsh? Regards? Ijanderson977 (talk) 20:54, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Cool, im moving to Wales soon. Ijanderson977 (talk) 20:59, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Bangor ;) Ijanderson977 (talk) 21:21, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Student. Well i think im going to there. I'll find out Thursday. Where abouts are you from? Ijanderson977 (talk) 21:26, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Im a Yorkshireman at heart haha Ijanderson977 (talk) 21:30, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I know a little bit. Some of my family is Welsh. But i am not going to try any now haha. I'll just embarrass myself. North Wales is the mainly Welsh speaking part of the country, correct? Ijanderson977 (talk) 21:34, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I want to join the specials (volunteer police) whilst im there and these a basic language test i have to pass to join (as well as many others haha), so im having to learn some Welsh ;) Ijanderson977 (talk) 21:38, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I might have time to check wikipedia haha Ijanderson977 (talk) 21:41, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I've been accepted at Bangor. Ijanderson977 (talk) 11:18, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Ijanderson977 (talk) 11:46, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

HAHA Ijanderson977 (talk) 11:48, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Dbgmem

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Dbgmem. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. lifebaka++ 14:11, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Jack Wilshire

I have asked for a second deletion review of Jack Wilshire. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. as fully expected he started today for Arsenal F.C.. Could an Admin please restore the article ASAP so as to not waste someone who knows no better's time starting to write a new article from scratch. Nfitz (talk) 18:49, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

8-17-08

Why didn't you tell AHLU that you would be deleting Famous Composers? He is totally confused now because he doesn't know where the page is. - MHLU (talk) 15:51, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

WT:NCNT#Frederick Barbarossa

Please respond to my question there; if you think moving further from the present policy would help, I think we could agree. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:55, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Restored article

Deb, was this restoration a mistake? It looks like it was AfD'd here, but an anon removed the AfD notice and most of the content before you deleted it. Cheers Kevin (talk) 02:41, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Deletion Of Cillian Cousins

Hi Deb, this was a legitimate page documenting the life and time of a friend of ours. It was not disparaging and reported facts mainly from his time at university. Although there are obviously no references all these stories come from first hand sources. Would it be possible for you to undelete this page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.70.197.79 (talk) 14:00, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Owen Blundell

Hi deb

Owen Blundell is a country musician in Australia who does have references on wikipedia but not a page about him, I tried to re-write parts of his Bio, etc, and was trying to link to different things he was a part of. I admit the information about him having coffee was silly but was wondering if, with that edited, there could be a restoration please? Lozchampness (talk) 16:49, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

embedded database

Deb, why did you delete virtually all of the article on "embedded database"? It was referenced and factual, and of a topic of interest to many in the technology community. It seems that what was put up in its place is of far less value.Ted_nw (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 17:22, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

More embedded database

Thanks for your assistance on "Embedded database". The article that is there now, is the one that I think has value. Not sure how the differing versions got up there. I have removed the banner at the top of the article, dating from January 2008, which stated that the article lacks references. Obviously, references have been added since that time. Ted nw (talk) 17:42, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for John F. Dunn

An editor has asked for a deletion review of John F. Dunn. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. TexasAndroid (talk) 18:07, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Blade od

You warned him not to post any more spam pages, but in my book Super Replicas is just that. De728631 (talk) 18:50, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. De728631 (talk) 19:24, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of article on Kirix Strata

Hi Deb,

I just posted an article on a browser called Kirix Strata, which you have deleted as advertising. Someone else called for a link to this article via another page (List_of_web_browsers_for_Unix/Linux) but there was no article for it, so I wrote it.

This article fits in well with the number of other specialty browsers listed in Wikipedia, including Image Xplorer, SpaceTime, Wyzo, Zac Browser, Flock, Songbird_(software), etc., particularly as it also uses Mozilla's Gecko/XULrunner engine and runs on Linux. As for general notability, the software has been out for years with a bunch of articles written about it.

I attempted to write the article with a factual, encyclopedia-like tone and used numerous outside references; if there are sections you'd prefer revised, I would be happy to try again. I'd appreciate it if you'd reconsider and/or let me know how I can edit it. Thank you very much. Taktakgoose (talk) 20:15, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi Deb, thanks for the note. I thought I was just being thorough with my annotations, but after reading the spam guidelines, I see that linking externally is a problem. I removed all external links to the company website with the exception of one (I added a software info box like some of the other sites referenced above, so added an external link there -- but it is clear that it is an external link). Overall, I tried to remove anything that would hint at spam; however, I'd be happy to revise further if you deem it necessary. Thank you very much. Taktakgoose (talk) 14:30, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Taktakgoose (talk • contribs) 16:51, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Oy

Could you please explain why you persist in altering the formatting of year pages to your own personal preferred style, on multiple separate occasions after having been told not to?

It may be true that it's been discussed in the interim, but the fact is that the house style has not changed. Accordingly, until and unless the house style is actually and officially changed, the formatting of individual year pages should not be changed. -- Smjg (talk) 11:29, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

So in your mind, majority rules over house style? Then what is the purpose of a house style? (Was the August 2005 survey for nowt, since the majority of pages were not already formatted to the house style it was to develop?) A consistent style has to come from somewhere; on Wikipedia, manual of style pages and WikiProject pages are written to attempt to establish this. So while you may feel that you are working towards a consistent style, the fact that it is contrary to the house style implies that the majority of other editors who are also working towards a consistent style are likely to revert your reformatting (or even change some pages for the first time), whether by routinely going through the pages or on a 'while at it' basis. -- Smjg (talk) 13:36, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Foosh Energy Mints

Hey. I think with the recent advert-warring of a user, you must have mistakenly thought the article to be deletable. I had a look at it's history before it was deleted and it was not created by this user and the text before he started edit-warring there was not blatant advertising. So I think WP:CSD#G11 was mistakenly applied and I'd like to ask you to restore the article. Regards SoWhy 21:28, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I just came here to ask exactly the same thing, as the article was on my watch list; they are certainly notable enough to be included in wikipedia. --UltraMagnus (talk) 21:50, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for restoring the article. Good thing too that you just restored the last good version, there was no reason to restore all the spam revisions that lead to deletion in the first place :-) SoWhy 17:41, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Years in Wales

Cheers, always try to do my bit. I mainly dabble with early Welsh rugby and Glamorgan history, so if create a new page I try to link it to the Wales pages, gives a nice overview. I can be a bit of a bloody minded dragon on occasions, so slap me into place if I get too heavy handed. Thanks again. FruitMonkey (talk) 16:26, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

The of Wales Issue, Revisited

Oh yes, I've been away and gathered sources etc. Now, let's do the Time Warp again! Join me, it's awfully lonely ^† DBD 23:43, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Question

Hello Deborah, I want to ask what's bad in that site where i make? --Aistis —Preceding undated comment was added at 13:07, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Overriding creation salt

You Me At Six (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been create-protected because of multiple recreations of deleted material. When you moved it from You me at six, your admin powers overrode the create protection. I assume that this was accidental ... it really is something you need to watch for when you move articles. Frequently, the reason for the odd capitalization or spelling is someone trying to evade create protection.Kww (talk) 15:50, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Bishnupur Gharana

Hi. I'm not sure why you decided to capitalize the name of this article, when everything else in the Category:Vocal gharanas is lower case. --RichardVeryard (talk) 09:16, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your help just now, much appreciated. Graham. Graham Colm ^Talk 20:08, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Calling all active WP:NOVELS members

WikiProject Novels Roll Call

WikiProject Novels is currently holding a roll call, which we hope to have annually. Your username is listed on the members list, but we are unsure as to which editors are still active within the project. If you still consider yourself an active WP:Novels editor, please add your name back to the Active Members list. Also feel free to join any of our task forces and take a look at the project's Job Centre to get involved!

Next month we will begin the coordinator election selection process. We hope to have more involvement and input this time around! More news will be forthcoming. Thanks, everyone! María (habla conmigo) 15:05, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Novels Newsletter - September 2008

Archives  |  Tip Line  |  Editors The Novels WikiProject Newsletter Issue XXVI - September 2008 Project news The Margaret Atwood novel The Penelopiad reached Featured Article status on June 29 and then appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article on August 26. It is the first article created through Wikipedia:Articles for creation to become Featured. To Kill a Mockingbird appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article on July 11. I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings reached Good Article status on July 1. Member news The members list is currently under review so we have moved all past active member's name to a Incumbent List and are doing a Project Roll Call. If you still consider yourself an active WP:NOVELS editor, please add your name back to the Active Members List. You may also wish to add your name to any of our many Project Task Forces. Task force news A Fantasy Literature task force has been proposed. Comments are welcomed on that proposal since we already have our own WikiProject Novels/Fantasy task force which is covered under our Novels WikiProject. Novel-related news Devil May Care, written by Sebastian Faulks ("writing as Ian Fleming"), has become Penguin Books fastest selling hardcover fiction title. It is the latest installment in the book series about British secret agent James Bond and was released to coincide with the 100th anniversary of late Bond creator Ian Fleming's birthday on May 28, 1908. Me Cheeta: the Autobiography, written by a ghostwriter, is the autobiography of Cheeta the Chimp who is listed in the Guinness World Records as the oldest recorded non-human primate at the age of 76. He has appeared in various movie roles which included twelve Tarzan movies and even battled addiction to alcohol and cigars. The book is not published until October 1, but judges for the 2008 Guardian First Book Award were sent a early version and were so impressed that they have included it on the 10-strong longlist. Stephenie Meyer, who is listed by Time magazine as one of its 100 most influential people of 2008, has decided not to continue with writing her draft for Midnight Sun after 12 chapters of the unfinished manuscript were leaked on the internet. Current debates Categories for Discussion has a series of discussions about whether to categorize certain specific types of fictional characters: double agents, dictators, characters with eidetic memory, etc. Advice from any Novels project members would be valuable in assisting them. WikiProject Media franchises aims to help editors with the coordination of articles within the thousands of media franchises which exist and has requested input from our members. They are currently discussing a naming convention for franchise articles. Since this may affect one or more articles in our Novel project, they would like to get opinions before implimenting any changes. From the Members With the Newsletter being almost three months overdue, I have decided to take on the position of Editor to make sure it reaches you regularly on time each month. The Newsletter is meant to inspire and encourage our team of Editors and so my goal shall be to make it informative and interesting each issue. We now have many positions vacant in our Project Team, so we are looking for members who have the time and interest to take on the various roles, details of which can be found at the Job Centre. Shortly a Coordinator nominations notice shall also be sent out to all members, which will commence the annual Coordinator selection process. Next month's Newsletter will include a message from our Coordinator Maria, who will introduce herself and speak on our forthcoming elections for extra Coordinators. Boylo (talk), Editor Collaboration of the Month This month's Collaboration has been selected by popular vote and is Look Homeward, Angel. The next collaboration is due for selection on 14 September, 2008 so cast your vote. Newsletter challenge Our last newsletter's challenge The Pure Land was completed by our member Maclean25, who also provided us with tipline news for this newsletter. The first person to start the article is mentioned in the next newsletter. This month's article is Leslie Ann Moore's first book in her fantasy 'Griffin's Daughter' trilogy, which was named by the Independent Book Publishers Association as the 2008 Ben Franklin Award winner for Best First Fiction, Griffin's Daughter. Note: This article was previously deleted due to lack of notability, but that now can be established since winning this award. To unsubscribe from further issues of this newsletter please remove your name from here.

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Date formats after autoformatting

With the recent deprecation of date autoformatting, "raw" dates are becoming increasingly visible on Wikipedia. Strong views are being expressed, and even some edit-warring here and there. A poll has been initiated to gauge community support to help us develop wording in the Manual of Style that reflects a workable consensus. As you have recently commented on date formats, your input would be helpful in getting this right. Four options have been put forward, summarised as:

1. Use whatever format matches the variety of English used in the article
2. For English-speaking countries, use the format used in the country, for non-English-speaking countries, use the format chosen by the first editor that added a date to the article
3. Use International format, except for U.S.-related articles
4. Use the format used in the country

The poll may be found here, as a table where you may indicate your level of support for each option above. --Pete (talk) 18:07, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Deleting Riot page

Nice going. If I'd had a chance to properly expand the article and add a few more things with regards to the history and operations of the label, it would have been more than "blatant advertising". Deleted while I was working on it without even a warning. Kudos for being so vigilant. --BrianFG (talk) 12:14, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

notability of Robert I. Lipp

thanks for not speedying it, at least; he did a $16 billion deal in 2003. Edward Vielmetti (talk) 20:33, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

ARC Music

Hi Deb, You flagged my article on ARC Music as reading like an advertisement. I would just like to know where I went wrong - I thought it was pretty neutral. What do I need to change? Thanks. Musicworld83 (talk) 12:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Shiva Rea Deletion

There was not a single piece of advertising in that article. Can you please tell me what was considered advertising? There was absolutely nothing mentioned in that article regarding a product. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.207.43.34 (talk) 16:31, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Welcome and help

Thank you for the welcome to Wikipedia Deb. I'm currently working on the article The Wave - Swansea, but have seemingly slipped into constant reversions with another user who insists on a non-enyclopedic tone (IMO). Being new I have no idea what to do to prevent carrying on like this! What is the proceedure for getting someone else to take a look at the article and decide what information should stay? Any help would be much welcome.

Thanks in advance (SwanseaWill (talk) 09:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC))

The Wave - Swansea

Hello DEB, The WAVE has been edited by so many people, it's hard to keep track of them all. This issue about "editing War" stops now. What i am trying to say is... why doesn't my edit page of The Wave say untouched ? Of course people are welcome of minor edits, but surely not deleating the whole page.I have been to the studios and seen what the format and depth of the station is. I have learned about its history and met people who are high up in the station, such as the programme director. I know an awful lot about the station and have my links to the station (family links). The current details about it now are incorrect. Why can't you edit some of the sections correctly, while i edit the others. We can stop this war. We'll get a long better and we'll work together, helping other users. That's the sort of person i am. Now that i know someone isn't going to come along and place faulse information onto the page. I am also a newcomer to Wikipedia and use it frequently. Please could you help me here. If you do decide to agree with my views and solutions, please contact me on my talk page. Thank You very much. Also, you can lift the protection you put on the page for us to place the correct information on. Thanks so much. Yours faithfully, Jonny7003. Jonny7003 (talk) 15:58, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Wave

I don't understand "advertisement." What do you mean ? All i am trying to do is share the information which i have on Wikipedia. I have added extra sections on to the page, yet they are deleated. All i am trying to do is help. I don't want trouble. Thanks, Jonny7003 (talk) 16:40, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Article

The information needed: Motto - No.1 for south west wales The format is Top 40 balanced with Hot AC. More information needed for the page, E.G- what the wave do for the local environment etc.. Just to add a bit more information to tell viewers what the station is like. That's all. Jonny7003 (talk) 16:51, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Motto

Because, that is what they announce on the radio. The jingles sometimes reffer to it aswell. It is also written on their previous logo. Swansea Sound also has the "You Love It We Play It" brand, but they also announce "for the heart of South West wales." It also says it on the UTV page, because there is a difference between the company motto, and the unique radio station slogan. Do you get what i am trying to say ? Kind Regards, Jonny7003 (talk) 17:02, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Motto

Fine i will next time, but that is just what i was trying to say in the first comment. Why do people delete all of the page, when they can make minor adjustments ? I will place the unique station motto in aswell as the company slogan alongside it, to make it fair. I am trying to reason with you, to make the edits fair. Jonny7003 (talk) 17:11, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, i suppose. Good idea. I am new to Wikipedia, you see. I am sorry if i caused trouble, but did not mean to. So i still could edit parts of the article, then ? Bacause, after all, that's what wikipedia is about - editing for the better. Well thanks very much and i consider and value your views. Jonny7003 (talk) 17:17, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

I have one more question. You know when the other user put "Format : Hot AC" , i put "Format: Hot AC / Top 40". Why was this deleated. I tried to make the format more correct, yet it was deleted. Thanks for your help. I am very greatful. sorry to cause trouble with my views. Jonny7003 (talk) 17:25, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Information

When the protection is lifted, could i then correct and edit a few of the sections. I am allowed to do that right ? If people agree. Well i have done what you said. Thanks. Please Write back. Jonny7003 (talk) 17:50, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Information

When the protection is lifted, could i then correct and edit a few of the sections. I am allowed to do that right ? If people agree. Well i have done what you said. Thanks. Please Write back. Jonny7003 (talk) 17:51, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Citations

What are citations ? What do i do with them ? Jonny7003 (talk) 15:30, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Jerry's Artarama

Deb, thank you for the clarification about Jerry's Artarama content being code "A3: No meaningful, substantive content)". I am anxious to get this page up again. Can you describe the difference in content between the Jerry's page, and that of it's competitors, such as Dick Blick, Utrecht, and Daniel Smith? The Jerry's page was written in the same style and format as these, and yet it is the only one that was selected for deletion. I feel Jerry's was targeted for some other reason, but I want to make sure the next attempt at creating the page will be successful. Any guidance you can provide would be very helpful. Thank you. PaintSculptCreate (talk) 14:35, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Merge proposal

Please see WT:Only_make_links_that_are_relevant_to_the_context#Break 1 for the current discussion. I'm letting everyone know who has a comment on the relevant talk pages. Obviously, we're not going to push anything through without a full discussion of every issue, including whether to merge at all. My sense is that there's wide agreement on all the big points, but the devil is in the details. - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 18:32, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

The WikiProject Novels Newsletter - October 2008

Archives  |  Tip Line  |  Editors The Novels WikiProject Newsletter Issue 27 - October 2008 Project news A Did you know fact from the new article The Masks of Time by Robert Silverberg appeared on the main page on 19 September, 2008. Member news Nominations have now commenced for Coordinator Candidates for the Novels Project. Any member of the project may nominate themselves. Nominations close on October 27, so if you wish to run make sure you add your name before then. Details on the election process and the role of Coordinators can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Coordinators/October 2008. The voting and question phase of the election will open on October 28 and end November 28. After the recent roll call, the Novels Project now has 74 active members. 15 positions still remain unfilled at the Job Centre, members who are interested are encouraged to apply. Pyfan has taken on the position of coordinator for the "Fantasy", "Science fiction" and "Shannara" task forces plus joined the "Style team". the_ed17 has also taken on the position of coordinator for the "Shannara" task force and joined the "Peer Review team". Coordinators are still required for the "Australian", "Chronicles of Narnia", "Crime", "Lemony Snicket" and "Short stories" task forces, which may be applied for at the Job Centre. Task force news A new task force has now commenced under the Novels Project known as the Twilight task force, based on the Twilight series of vampire-based fantasy/romance novels by author Stephenie Meyer. You may join by adding your name to Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Twilight task force/Participants or contact founder Bella Swan for more details. Member in Focus Yllosubmarine (talk · contribs) has been a member of the Novels WikiProject for nearly two years, and a coordinator since May. Aside from her work outside the project (including four FAs and six GAs in various areas), she has been active in the Project's Assessment and Peer Review departments. She hopes to continue in these roles as well as help encourage more activity and community research within the Project. With the upcoming coordinator election, she hopes that others will volunteer to become more active in their roles as Project members so that we can continue to provide quality articles to the readers of this encyclopedia. María (habla conmigo) Current debates A collection of Wikipedia articles is being collected together as Wikipedia 0.7. This collection will be released on DVD, so we have been asked to review the articles selected from this project. Revisions are requested before October 20. More details can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/GeneralForum#Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Novel. From the Outreach Department On the advice of Coordinator Maria, the newsletter is now only distributed to active listed members of the Novels Project. A new section has started with this issue called 'In Focus', which will feature various members and task forces each month. Members are requested to post any news items to the Tip Line (found above) to make sure it reaches the next newsletter before closing date, which is always the last day of the preceding month. Any task force news should be added by the coordinator of that task force. Having news items helps inform members of what is happening at the various task forces and so can be a way of encouraging more membership and participation. Editors are required to assist with the newsletter for Task Force News and Peer Reviews & Assessments News, which involves the gathering of news items from the main project and the various task forces. These positions may be applied for at the Job Centre. Boylo (talk), Editor Collaboration of the Month This month's Collaboration has been selected by popular vote and is : Steppenwolf (novel). The next collaboration is due for selection on 1 November, 2008 so cast your vote. Newsletter challenge Our last newsletter's challenge Griffin's Daughter was uncompleted. The first person to start the article is mentioned in the next newsletter. This month's article is The Cater Street Hangman. This is the first published novel by historical detective fiction author Anne Perry whose early life featured in the Peter Jackson movie Heavenly Creatures. Note: This article currently redirects to Thomas Pitt (fictional character).

• Newsletter delivery by xenobot 13:09, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Article titles for multiple people

Hi there. I recently moved an article (Agnes Potten to Agnes Potten and Joan Trunchfield) and I noticed you moved it previously. The sequence so far seems to have been: [9], [10], and [11]. You mentioned article naming conventions in your move edit summary. I might have missed those naming conventions. Could you point me towards them? Carcharoth (talk) 15:43, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of So Good (TVB) page--------

Why the hell did you delete that article, at least it had an external link, which proves that the TV programme do exist. You should think next time before you delete other people's page.