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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on May 17

List of extraordinary diseases and conditions

Created by Mikael Häggström (talk). Self nom at 10:25, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I started the article yesterday and expanded it further today. Mikael Häggström (talk) 10:49, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of PWG World Tag Team Champions

Created by Wrestlinglover (talk). Self nom at 10:13, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


PWG World Tag Team Championship

5x expanded by Wrestlinglover (talk). Self nom at 10:13, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

    • Article was a list of reigns before expansion, but was expanded into a real article. I believe it matters by prose, and not by coding and tables, so I believe this passes the criteria to be nominated. I'm not sure though.--WillC 10:13, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

History of the San Fernando Valley to 1915

Created by PKM (talk). Self nom at 05:07, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Operation Bayshield

5x expanded by TKD (talk). Self nom at 04:30, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Serpent Model Racing Cars

  • ... that in 1998, during an IFMAR World Championship race for 1:10th IC On-Road R/C cars, all Top 10 positions for both available categories were dominated by drivers using Serpent cars?

Created by Donnie Park (talk). Self nom at 02:12, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Articles created/expanded on May 16

12–6 curveball

  • ...that the 12–6 curveball gets its name from the way the pitch breaks downward, looking like it moves from the number 12 to the number 6 on a clock?

Created by Knuckle Curve (talk). Self nom at 12:15, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Demobilisation of the Australian military after World War II

Created by Nick-D (talk). Self nom at 08:11, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Missing Women of Asia

Created by Radeksz (talk). Self nom at 05:50, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

CHERUB (organisation)

  • ... that CHERUB was founded by Charles Henderson in 1946?

Created by Greg Tyler (talk). Self nom at 23:31, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I've added a few third party sources, but would like to draw attention to the fact that elements of the literary world aren't well documented and often it is only the author who writes anything useful information on the subject. I don't provoke that as an excuse though, just an observation. Greg Tyler (t • c) 07:59, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm very uncomfortable with the deceptive nature of the hooks in that they do not reveal the fictional nature of the organisation and are written in the dreaded "in-universe" style. Sourcing is critical for any article, even one about a fictional organisation. If it's truly notable then it will have been covered in third-party sources. - Dravecky (talk) 08:35, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Turner (illustrator)

]] Non-free images can't be on the front page. -->

Created by Donnie Park (talk). Self nom at 22:58, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • -Length and date verified. Offline book source accepted in good faith. I'm not sure whether you are aware, but Wikipedia currently does not permit non-free images on the main page which means non-free images and copyrighted logos can't be used in DYK. Thank you.Smallman12q (talk) 01:15, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Neutra VDL Studio and Residences

Created by [[User:|User:]] ([[User talk:|talk]]), Doncram (talk). Self nom at 20:38, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Nebraska House

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 19:58, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anglo-Moroccan alliance

Created by PHG (talk). Self nom at 19:51, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Goa Opinion Poll

Created by Deepak D'Souza (talk). Self nom at 19:19, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment by nominator: Just thought I'd let you know that this article was created in my userspace on 12th May and moved to article space on 16th May. I guess that either ways it fits into the 5-day rule, correct? --Deepak D'Souza 19:24, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Risks of the Glen Canyon Dam

  • ... that the reservoir of Glen Canyon Dam will completely fill with sediment in less than one century?

Created by themaeetalk 17:41, 16 May 2009 (UTC) Self nom at 17:41, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lincoln High School (Seattle, Washington)

Pontius of Carthage

5x expanded by N p holmes (talk). Self nom at 16:52, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Xlapak

Entrance to a palace at Xlapak

  • ... that the Maya archaeological site of Xlapak in Mexico features well-preserved examples of the ostentatious Puuc style of architecure?

Created by Simon Burchell (talk). Self nom at 12:54, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Magnus von Braun (senior)

Created by HerkusMonte (talk). Self nom at 09:39, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Douglas Mark III

Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 08:02, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Yogmaya Temple

Created by Ekabhishek (talk). Self nom at 07:04, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • You could possibly change it to this:

KWVR (AM)

5x expanded by Dravecky (talk). Self nom at 06:13, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Khriki Masjid;Satpula

Created/expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 05:52, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Hook is for two articles

Egmont Prinz zur Lippe-Weissenfeld

Created by MisterBee1966 (talk). Self nom at 05:12, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rock Show (Parks and Recreation)

Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 01:34, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Mellor hill fort

The amber necklace found at Mellor

  • ALT... that although Mellor hill fort is Iron Age in origin, artefacts as old as 10,000 years have been discovered on the site, including a 4,000 year old amber necklace?

Created by Nev1 (talk). Self nom at 01:12, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on May 15

Django Walker

Created by TexasCountryGuru (talk). Nominated by Frank (talk) at 00:44, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Jay Weinberg

Created by Frank (talk), Wasted Time R (talk). Self nom at 23:18, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Camp Abbot

Created by Orygun (talk). Self nom at 03:33, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

LT vz. 34

  • ... that the turret of the LT vz. 34 light tank could be disconnected from its gearing and rotated using the commander's shoulder?

Created by Sturmvogel_66 (talk). Self nom at 02:25, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Epaulette shark

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 01:10, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Optimatoi

  • ... that the Byzantine corps of the Optimatoi originated as an elite Gothic cavalry regiment, but was downgraded to a corps of mule-drivers after participating in the failed revolt of Artabasdos?

Created by Cplakidas (talk). Self nom at 00:02, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Diary (stationery)

Created by Johnbod (talk). Self nom at 23:44, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eloise Greenfield

Created by Ssilvers (talk). Self nom at 22:31, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gonzaga Cameo

The Gonzaga cameo

Created by Ghirlandajo (talk). Self nom at 20:44, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Second Sight (film)

5x expanded by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 20:32, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

François Coignet

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 20:13, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lower Saxony state election, 2008

5x expanded by Davewild (talk). Self nom at 19:40, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- Length and date verified. Offline source accepted in good faith. (I love the economist =D). Thank you.Smallman12q (talk) 20:42, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Pauley

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 18:19, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

C. K. Alexander

Created by Cryptic C62 (talk). Self nom at 17:44, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Gisele MacKenzie Show

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 16:30, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gustav Natvig-Pedersen

5x expanded by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 14:50, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Norwegian reference verified in good faith.Dr. Blofeld (talk) 18:58, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Downing Street mortar attack

Created by One Night In Hackney (talk). Self nom at 13:09, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of PWG World Champions

  • ... that out of the eleven wrestlers who have held the PWG World Championship, Low Ki is the only to have never been defeated for it as of May 2009 (excluding the current champion Chris Hero)?

Created by Wrestlinglover (talk). Self nom at 08:48, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • First of all, only eleven wrestlers have held the title (since two men have held it twice), but that bit aside, wouldn't Chris Hero, the current holder, also meet the same definition: having never been defeated for the title (since he's the current holder)? — Bellhalla (talk) 16:10, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah that could work. I was drawing a blank writing that thing anyway. I knew I wanted it to be about the vacancy, but didn't know how to word it.--WillC 00:43, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Smart Gilas

  • ... that the Smart Gilas players were offered multi-million peso contracts even if a huge percentage of the team was still in college?

Created by Maverx (talk) 15:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC). Self nom at 15:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Skeffington Lutwidge

Created by Benea (talk) 07:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC). Self nom at 07:50, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Destroy Destroy Destroy

5x expanded by Cannibaloki (talk). Self nom at 06:48, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ole Thomesen

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 15:03, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on May 14

You're a Star (series 5)


John G. Cullmann

  • ... that John G. Cullmann was nearly assassinated after establishing a settlement of German immigrants in northern Alabama?

Created by Geraldk (talk). Self nom at 15:29, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Biology Today

Created by Ragesoss (talk). Self nom at 05:07, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gordon Chambers

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 15:32, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Length of articles, dates, and source are all okay, but the hook is ~200 characters, and so a little long. What about skipping the names of the other musicians, and having:
ALT1: ... that songwriter Gordon Chambers credited his hometown of Teaneck, New Jersey, with fostering his dream of becoming a professional?
Also corrected a typo in both version. That's my two cents, anyhow. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 15:44, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Tweaked hook to shorten <= 200 characters, but no objection to alternate hook. Alansohn (talk) 21:12, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

N100

The N100 response

  • ... that the N100 (pictured) brain response to auditory stimuli can help predict coma patients' probability of recovery?
  • Comment: Some of you might recognize this image, I used it in my hook for Early left anterior negativity back in December. Well, actually it's a picture of the N100, not the ELAN...I used it back then because it still helps show what the ELAN looks like, but it's really more accurate here. But if you're averse to using an image that has already been up once (in the off chance that anyone remembers), feel free not to use it.

Created/expanded by LittleHow (talk). Nominated by Rjanag (talk) at 14:46, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nazi board games

  • ... that the objective of the Nazi board game Juden Raus! (Jews Out) was to move figurines representing Jews across a map to "collection points" outside the city walls for deportation?

Created by Scott-Schweickert (talk). Nominated by Bruce1ee (talk) at 14:20, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Clatskanie Middle/High School

  • Comment: Formerly a redirect

Created/expanded by Tedder (talk). Nominated by Aboutmovies (talk) at 09:26, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rick Gibson

  • ... that Rick Gibson intended his human earrings sculpture to raise questions about the appropriateness and usage of such materials for art and self adornment?

Created by Synergy (talk). Self nom at 01:49, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Switzerland–Uruguay relations

  • ... that Uruguay is known as the "Switzerland of the Americas" from its adoption of Swiss-based banking laws?

5x expanded by Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) and Docu (talk) primarily, with lesser help by A Nobody (talk). Nominated by A Nobody (talk) at 01:01, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Te Amo (song)

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 21:20, 14 May 2009 (UTC). Self nom at 21:19, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sabrina De Sousa

Created/expanded by Bearian (talk). Self nom at 20:55, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Moroccan parliamentary election, 2002

5x expanded by Davewild (talk). Self nom at 17:51, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Baker (Royal Navy officer)

Created by Benea (talk). Self nom at 17:08, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In the 'Rewards and later commands' section - 'By the end of 1815 he could reflect that his active career had included playing a significant role in bringing about three of the decisive actions of the Napoleonic Wars, Copenhagen, Trafalgar, and Cape Ortegal.[21]' Is that sufficient? Benea (talk) 17:26, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If Tracy says that, I for one would be willing to accept the source in good faith. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 20:16, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Travis Edmonson

Created by Cool3 (talk). Self nom at 16:34, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

George M. Stafford

Created by Wehwalt (talk). Self nom at 16:02, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ray H. Altman

5x expanded by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 16:43, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2009 Football League Trophy Final

Created by 03md (talk). Self nom at 15:57, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I see the fact in the article, in the lede, but there is no citation supporting it. Can something be done about this? I had a look at the articles, and all I see is a bit in the Guardian article saying they'll need special dispensation to defend their title next year. Length and history are fine BTW.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:23, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I still don't think it is supported. As far as I can tell, Luton hope to play in the competition next year, but the Football League hasn't said word one, and as it stands, Luton will not play in it. Suggest alternate hook:

ALT1: ... that despite winning the Football League Trophy in 2009, Luton Town are not presently eligible to defend their title?--Wehwalt (talk) 08:08, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good then.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:21, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shri Hanumuman Mandir, Sarangpur

Statue of Hanuman

New article, Around The Globeसत्यमेव जयते 14:38, 14 May 2009 (UTC) Self nom[reply]

M. D. Madhusudhan

5x expanded by Prashanthns (talk). Self nom at 10:31, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Have worked on both the hooks. I think both just about meet the character numbers. Could you check now? Have changed the hook to meet criterion. Hope it is fine now. prashanthns (talk) 06:52, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Length, date, and online source verified. Hook is now ~180 characters (well within the 200 character limit). Good work!.Smallman12q (talk) 10:45, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I removed a "the" from the hook, to make it read slightly better IMHO. That'd be -4 on the char front, as well. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 10:51, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sure Jarry. Thanks. :)prashanthns (talk) 11:14, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Makano (singer)

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 06:12, 14 May 2009 (UTC). Self nom at 06:11, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Chicago Cubs Opening Day starting pitchers

5x expanded by Rlendog (talk). Self nom at 02:50, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Hagop Hagopian

5x expanded by Grandmaster (talk). Nominated by Baku87 (talk) at 08:45, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on May 13

Main Hall (Japanese Buddhism)

  • ... that a Zen temple's Main Hall looks like a two story building, but has in fact only one?

Created by User:Urashimataro ([[User talk:|talk]]). Nominated by Urashimataro (Urashimataro) at 00:33, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shirley E. Flynn

Created by Bellhalla (talk). Self nom at 16:02, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • NO, Mrs. Flynn was born in 1929, not ca. 1941, according to two sources that I cited. The newspaper article you cite says she was a 67-year resident of Cheyenne, not 67 years old in 2008.Billy Hathorn (talk) 16:37, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mill Street-North Clover Street Historic District

Willamette Falls Hospital

Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nom at 09:15, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

KBKR

5x expanded by Dravecky (talk). Self nom at 03:41, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yoshihiro Yonezawa

Created by Extremepro (talk). Nominated by Malkinann (talk) at 01:00, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Trafalgar Campaign

Created by Benea (talk). Self nom at 20:50, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- Length and date verified. Offline source accepted in good faith. Alt1 is much clearer than the original hook. Thank you.Smallman12q (talk) 10:57, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Maori Merchant of Venice

Created by Aridd (talk). Self nom at 20:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

William Rush and His Model

1908 version

Created by Wmpearl (talk). Nominated by Raul654 (talk) at 20:17, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • You haven't actually provided a clear cite for the hook. Either you should cite the article's opening statement, or you should cite all three of the paintings, but it appears you have cited only two of them. Gatoclass (talk) 09:46, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Candy (unit)

Created by Physchim62 (talk). Self nom at 16:18, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • The article is currently too short. The actual prose of the article should be at least 1500 characters, it is currently around 1000 (Lists do not count). Also it seems that "227 kg" is only correct for a certain region. decltype (talk) 16:49, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm so tempted to say "sod you!" I couldn't care less for your petty criteria of length, and as to what constitutes a list. If you wish, you can take another look at the article – by the simple removal of a couple of bullet points it largely meets the length criterion, given that the "list" was already composed of complete grammatical sentences. The article is still being extended and (I hope) improved, as that is what is important to me. 227 kg is the metric equivalent of 500 lbs. – I assume you understand the normal English meaning of the word "roughly". Physchim62 (talk) 12:51, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • But in Kolachal it was measured at 170 kg, which is not "roughly 227 kg". I think that's the point Decltype was making. Length better now, good work. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 13:00, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • And at Vadodara it was "measured" at 405 kg! The "roughly 500 pounds" is well attested from numerous sources: the most significant variation is at Mumbai, where it was five hundredweight (560 lbs., 254 kg), at least for the British colonists. I don't suffer nitpickers lightly, especially when they appoint themselves "Guardians of the Main Page" – too many people end up thinking that the process of creating the content is more important than the content itself, that it doesn't matter if it's crap so long as it complies with the Manual of Style. Physchim62 (talk) 13:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Length and dates are fine but the article makes quite clear how widely varied the value in pounds was an issue. Perhaps the hook could mention that rather that trying to tie it to a specific weight (which appears even more specific in metric translation). - Dravecky (talk) 01:38, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

KOWL

Created by Dravecky (talk). Self nom at 07:41, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Big Ed" Wilkes

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 15:38, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Algerian national reconciliation referendum, 2005

Created by Davewild (talk). Self nom at 07:35, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Zebra shark

  • ... that the zebra shark (pictured) is striped when young and spotted when mature?

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 05:02, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on May 12

The Manor (Los Angeles, California)

Created by doncram and cbl62). Self nom at 19:05, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Henry Eckford (1824)

Created by Gatoclass (talk). Self nom at 17:33, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

al-Mansur of Hims

Self nom, Al Ameer son (talk) 16:49, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Genebald

Created by Polylerus (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 16:42, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gotha Observatory

  • ... that towards the end of the 18th century, the Gotha Observatory became an international center for astronomy, and the most modern astronomical institute specifically for its instruments?

Created by RJHall (talk). Nominated by Synergy (talk) at 01:33, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Arlie Metheny

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 16:57, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bigeye trevally

  • ... that the specific epithet of the marine fish bigeye trevally (Caranx sexfasciatus) refers to the six dark bands on their sides that fade and disappear as they mature and age?

5x expanded by Kare Kare (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 18:24, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I re-classed it as 'start' (I wouldn't call it a stub, anyhow) on its talk page. Dates and lengths are fine, but I'd like to nitpick over the referencing of the statement. I'm only looking at Google's transcription of quite possibly a different edition of the book (here, but it doesn't really join the dots. It translates "sexfasciatus" as six-banded and says "juveniles have six dusky crossbars", but in different sections. I know, that's really harsh. DYK people, feel free to disregard. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 18:44, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The author has added more footnotes there. Hope this helps. --PFHLai (talk) 14:04, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The United Kingdom in World War I

5x expanded by Jim Sweeney (talk), Jarry1250 (talk). Self nom at 18:22, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Partly a self-nom. I'm not overly attached to the wording of the hook, but I think as a statement it's reasonably surprising at first glance. A joint effort to reach the 5x expansion. I have a copy of the offline (book) source for the hook. - Jarry1250 (t, c) 18:22, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Carroll the Settler

Created by Geraldk (talk). Self nom at 03:22, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Harvey A. Carr, Kerplunk experiment

Created by Synergy (talk). Self nom at 21:22, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eidsvolls plass

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 14:27, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Length and date verified. Source for hook accepted on good faith. I have never heard the expression "National Mall of Norway", I assume that it is not widely used? decltype (talk) 17:09, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John "Bam" Carney

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 16:09, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bob Bruce (Texas journalist)

ALT ... that Texas Governor Rick Perry hailed the Abilene journalist, Bob Bruce for his "clear, insightful voice . . . getting [out] the facts with nary a wasted word"?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 16:25, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kaiser class battleship

5x expanded by Parsecboy (talk). Self nom at 13:08, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Article expansion is ok, and good work, too! But I did not find direkt support and cite for the hook. The article mentions only two actions, but that is insufficient. If I've overlooked something, please point out the proper place, or add the cite, or change the hook. I think we could make something catchy from the 2 turbines of Luitpold (..."never received the Diesel engine that was supposed to supplement its two steam turbines"?) --Stephan Schulz (talk) 13:47, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I added the full citation for Staff's book, I guess I forgot to do that earlier today (thanks for catching that). Do you mean you need source stating explicitly that the ships only took part in these two instances of combat? I'm not sure that would be possible to find (sort of like trying to prove a negative, you know?)
Yes, that's what would be needed. See Wikipedia:Did you know#DYK_rules: "should include a definite fact that must be mentioned in the article" and "must be cited in the article with an inline citation". That's why I suggested the alternate hook - I know something like that would be hard to source. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 16:54, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So I suppose let's scratch the first hook, since it's not easily sourced directly. What do you think about the hook I suggested below? Any problems with it? Thanks. Parsecboy (talk) 11:13, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually, looking at the figures, the ship was only 1 knot slower than her sisters, but the range was considerably reduced without the diesel engine (7,900 nautical miles at 12 knots compared to only 2,000 nm at 12 kts). That would probably be a better point of contrast. So...
  • "... that SMS Prinzregent Luitpold, one of the Kaiser-class battleships, never received the intended diesel engine to supplement her turbines, and so had a considerably shorter range than her sisters?"
  • Not sure if that meets the length limit though, but it can probably be streamlined if necessary. Parsecboy (talk) 16:26, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's a hair long; with spaces it's 209 characters. Maybe

Pill (textile)

  • ... that the little balls of fuzz that appear on clothing due to wear are called pills?

Created by Loggie (talk). Self nom at 02:36, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We could go with "small matted balls of fiber" instead-the OED goes with "small ball of fluff", for what that's worth. Loggie (talk) 10:48, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Necesito de Tí

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 01:36, 13 May 2009 (UTC). Self nom at 01:35, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed — Jaespinoza (talk) 18:49, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Kramer

  • ... that despite nearly throwing a perfect game in 1993, American baseball pitcher Tom Kramer never pitched at the highest professional level again after that year?

5x expanded by One (talk). Self nom at 01:25, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Otto Fuerbringer, Is God Dead?

Created by Lampman (talk). Self nom at 00:07, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Storage of wine

  • Comment: Several refs in the "Orientation of the bottle" section including an online ref (FN#8) related specifically to Champagne

Created by Agne27 (talk). Self nom at 23:17, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Catherina Margaretha Linck

5x expanded by Jake Wartenberg (talk). Self nom at 21:01, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have some problems with this hook. The article says she was both "one of the first lesbians executed in the early modern German Empire" and also "the last in Europe". How can she be both, unless very few lesbians were executed, and if so, why describe her as "one of the first"? Gatoclass (talk) 10:41, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Both those assertions come from reliable sources. I thought about saying "one of the only", but I can't directly source that. So I am sure someone would have had a problem with that, too. Damned either way, I guess. You are, of course, free to propose an alternate hook. — Jake Wartenberg 15:00, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Price's Post Office

Price House in Spartanburg County, South Carolina

Created by KudzuVine (talk). Self nom at 20:26, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ullage (wine)

  • ... that wines bottled with longer corks have the potential to see more ullage development than wines with shorter corks because wine is lost through absorption into the cork?
  • Comment: Oxford ref (FN #1) from "in the bottle section"

Created by Agne27 (talk). Self nom at 19:59, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OOPS! I accidentally linked to wrong article. It should have been Ullage (wine). Fixed now. AgneCheese/Wine 15:01, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The length and date is ok. In my opinion the article is a little short on citations (seems to be based on a single source). But if another reviewer passes it I certainly have no objections. decltype (talk) 17:21, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So...what part of the DYK criteria is this not 100% in compliance with? The complete entirety of the article is 100% referenced and cited, including the hook. AgneCheese/Wine 03:19, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Alibi Club

Created by Acroterion (talk). Self nom at 16:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Army Black Knights men's lacrosse

Created by Strikehold (talk). Self nom at 14:59, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Orckestra

Created by Bruce1ee (talk). Self nom at 12:43, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Harpactea sadistica

Created by Sarefo (talk). Self nom at 10:24, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • - Length, date, and online source verified. A very interesting (and seemingly grotesque fact!) Thank you. I did shrink the hook a bit so that it is within 200 characters, but the message should still be conveyed. (On a side note, you probably already know this, but in general, other wikis such as this one, generally are generally not accepted as reliable sources. Instead, consider taking the references from that wiki, and putting them here.)Smallman12q (talk) 00:30, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Concern-I hope I'm not coming across as picky or rude, but it seems that the section Harpactea#Traumatic insemination seems out of place. The article focuses on the genus where as the section Harpactea#Traumatic insemination focuses on the individual spider. I'm not sure if each spider is notable enough to warrent its own article, so this may be okay, but am hoping that someone with more experience with DYK can confirm this is okay. Thanks.Smallman12q (talk) 00:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • you've got a point here. i created an extra article about the species and relinked the above hook. I'll try to expand it a bit more in the next hour, but sources are hard to find. --Sarefo (talk) 09:47, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph Wicks

Created by Jmabel | Talk. Self nom at 04:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Byzantinism

5x expanded by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 21:06, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on May 11

Knut S. Heier

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 23:14, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


René Olry

René Olry

Created by Black Falcon (talk). Self nom at 04:46, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

locoweed, swainsonine

  • ... that the cause of pea struck in Australia, locoismo in Argentina, and locoweed poisoning in North America is a promising anti-cancer drug, swainsonine?

5x expanded by Una Smith (talk). Self nom at 20:50, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Caranx sansun

Created by Kare Kare (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 18:46, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Asbjørn Kjønstad

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 10:44, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

SS American (1900)

5x expanded by Bellhalla (talk). Self nom at 04:27, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Second Baptist Church (Poughkeepsie, New York)

Two possibilities (I like the first one more but it's wordier)

  • I must disagree slightly. Can we have more context for the second hook? From that hook, one could wonder why being the only one left is notable at all. Maybe this (if a number can be provided)?
The Greek Revival style was prominent in the U.S. in the 1820s-1840s. In some cities there are a lot of buildings in that style, there are many houses left in the countryside in that style. For a city like Poughkeepsie to have only one left is a little surprising, to me. Daniel Case (talk) 14:18, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Tara (1961)

Created/expanded by Hurricanehink (talk). Nominated by Juliancolton (talk) at 02:44, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Michel Laframboise

Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nom at 08:49, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

U.S. Department of Agriculture South Building

Created by Acroterion (talk). Self nom at 00:50, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sol Rosenberg (Louisiana businessman)

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:58, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lo Walker

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:15, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rex D. Russell

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:21, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oliver C. Thomas

Texas Good Roads/Transportation Association? Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 04:28, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anomalon

  • ... that after a search lasting over 20 years, Piyare Jain claimed to have finally detected the elusive anomalon, an anomalous state of nuclear matter?

5x expanded by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 00:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Marc Sautet, Café Philosophique

Created/expanded by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self nom at 21:24, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hook reference on the articles as: Chaplin, p. 282 Philosopher Marc Sautet started the first "cafe-philo" at the Cafe des Phares on the Place de la Bastille in Paris.

Håkon Stenstadvold

Created by Punkmorten (talk). Self nom at 20:44, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Smith Tobacco Barn

Smith Tobacco Barn

Created by KudzuVine (talk). Self nom at 20:29, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Length, date verified, but my only concern is the use of "very good example" in the hook. I am not sure how this can be qualified, and as the sourced Historic American Buildings Survey [1] lists it as being in "fair" condition, I would probably question the validity of the nomination form's [2] assertion that it is "an excellent example...". I apologize for my novice understanding of these forms, but the author of that statement is not listed on the page, and its validity seems questionable since it appears the intent of the document was to obtain accreditation by the National Register of Historic Place. I apologize for being tedious, and recognize that I might be nit-picking. I would submit the following ALT, but would be willing to publish "as is" if other editors feel I am going too far. Mrathel (talk) 07:56, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • ALT1: ... that the Smith Tobacco Barn (pictured) is one of the few remaining examples of intact flue-cured tobacco barns in Dillon County, South Carolina, built between 1895 and the 1950s? Created by KudzuVine (talk). Self nom at 20:29, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for looking at it. ALT1 is fine. I have added "intact" to the ALT1 because Reference 1 (Rogers, NRHP MPS) indicated that 191 barns were identified in Dillon and Marion counties in a 1982-1983 survey. Three barns were nominated. Reference 4 (NRHP inventory) indicated that this is the "most intact" barn. I downgraded "excellent" from reference 3 to "very good" to soften the comment and not draw arguments what excellent means. I did not include Marion county to keep the hook under 150 characters. These tobacco barns are not Mount Vernon or Buckingham Palace. There were working facilities that may have never been painted. A good example preserves the technology of the day much like Price's Mill shows a watermill, or Cotton Press (Latta, South Carolina) and Cotton Press (Tarboro, North Carolina) show an early apparatus used in agriculture prior to the industrial age. It does not surprise me that it is in "fair" condition or deemed an "extremely fragile resources." I am not looking for controversy. I am trying to write non-stub articles of South Carolina NRHPs. I look for a picture to illustrate the article. The Smith Tobacco Barn has a very nice (my opinion) picture by Jack Boucher. The DYK is a target and not a goal. The decisions to approve and to select it for a DYK are editorial. Thanks KudzuVine (talk) 17:12, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bamboo coral

Bamboo coral

  • ... that bamboo coral specimens (pictured) have been found that are 4,000 years old?

Created by Mattisse (talk). Self nom at 19:17, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Missouri Kansas Texas Railway Company of Texas v. Clay May

Created by Tempshill (talk). Self nom at 06:13, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I considered that it would be a little more entertaining to say "...to the US Supreme Court, and lost, in Missouri...", because, you know, they ended their legal odyssey by losing 25 bucks; but am a little loath to add any more words due to the length of the title of the case. Tempshill (talk) 06:16, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Much better written, thank you. The last part is the other way around; the farmer was the recipient, so I'll propose alt2:

Grace After Midnight

Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self nom at 04:07, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Articles created/expanded on May 10

Qatada ibn Idris

Lizzie Lloyd King

  • ... that Lizzie Lloyd King, the alleged murderess of Charles Goodrich, consumed flakes of the victim's desiccated blood during a police interrogation?

5x expanded by Mindmatrix (talk). Self nom at 22:46, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Minimum orbit intersection distance

Ayapango

  • ... that older homes in Ayapango, Mexico, retain the pre-Hispanic custom of having names, which are on plaques by their doors?

Created/expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 23:32, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

USCGC Sea Cloud (WPG-284)

The Sea Cloud

Created by Scapler (talk). Self nom at 21:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, thanks for the suggestion! Cheers! Scapler (talk) 11:14, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Weddings and Babies

  • ... that the 1960 indie film Weddings and Babies was the first 35 mm fiction feature to be made with a portable camera that allowed synchronized sound?

Created by Stetsonharry (talk). Self nom at 14:23, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Chianti

  • Comment: Several ref. Primary is Johnson Vintage ref in History section (FN #6) but also supported by Oxford ref in lead (FN#1) and Domine Wine ref in History section (FN #5)

5x expanded by Agne27 (talk). Self nom at 07:18, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas E. Locke

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 01:02, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wouldn't the "former Brooklyn Dodgers" just be the "Los Angeles Dodgers"? Or is it meant that he abandoned plans to play for the team while it was still in Brooklyn (in which case the former is superfluous)? — Bellhalla (talk) 04:56, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Discouraged workers

There are over 740,000 discouraged workers in the united states.

5x expanded by Smallman12q (talk). Self nom at 21:41, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Huguenot rebellions

Created by PHG (talk). Self nom at 20:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strawberry Chapel and Childsbury Town Site, Biggin Church Ruins

Strawberry Chapel, Berkeley County, South Carolina

  • ALT1:Hook: Reference 4 (inventory), p. 3, 5th paragraph

Created by KudzuVine (talk). Self nom at 18:27, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Olga Taratuta

  • ... that Olga Taratuta (pictured) escaped from a Russian prison in 1906 while serving a 17-year sentence?

Created by Malik Shabazz (talk). Self nom at 18:24, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Set the Mood

5x expanded by Pyrrhus16 (talk). Self nom at 15:46, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2008 Benin floods

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 14:59, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reworded. OK?Dr. Blofeld (talk) 19:06, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gateshead Council election, 2003

Created by Davewild (talk). Self nom at 14:09, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • (checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Length, history, references good (verified with LexisNexis). Here's an alt (rewording):
ALT1: ... that all-postal voting was used in the 2003 Gateshead Council election, contributing to the third highest turnout in the 2003 United Kingdom local elections? Shubinator (talk) 15:48, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Allison Bradshaw, Valerie Ziegenfuss, Original 9

Created by 03md (talk). Self nom at 14:06, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Moni Gonia Monastery

Created by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Self nom at 13:25, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 DoneReworded. I've also made a flickr request, hopefully we can get hold of an image.Dr. Blofeld (talk) 15:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Frank Bladin

Created/expanded by Ian Rose (talk). Self nom at 12:05, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Bunn

Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nom at 11:36, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Welles declaration, Executive Order 8389

  • Comment: both articles moved from sandbox on 05-10

Created by M.K (talk). Self nom at 10:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

1999 Tashkent bombings

Created by Bsimmons666 (talk). Self nom at 02:28, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • The article says that critics have cast doubt on this assessment [the assessment that IMU did the attacks]. Maybe reword the hook.
ALT1: ... that 16 people were killed in the 1999 Tashkent bombings when six car bombs were detonated, an attack the government says was perpetrated by the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan? Shubinator (talk) 04:52, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
ALT2: ... that 16 people were killed in the 1999 Tashkent bombings when six car bombs were detonated, an attack the Uzbek government says was perpetrated by the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan? Bsimmons666 (talk) 13:22, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) for ALT2. Shubinator (talk) 15:19, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Justin Brown

Created by Giants27 (talk). Self nom at 01:43, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, figured it out, I have bolded the "Justin Brown" article for you. Gatoclass (talk) 02:18, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about that forgot all about it.--Giants27 T/C 02:29, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Length, history, reference good. I'd like to see the sections fleshed out a bit though. Shubinator (talk) 04:47, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Any chance of indicating when he accomplished this? — Bellhalla (talk) 04:58, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thats not too important as if you are not from the US then the hook means very little. Can you find a wiktionary link that explains what an "end" is or what "naming" means? This should not be in a dialect I think Victuallers (talk) 16:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I know that's it's unimportant outside the US but so are practically every article that goes through here as most concern a certain country. And no I don't see why that would be necessary as you can just click on the link for defensive end and I would think (correct me if I'm wrong) many know what the word named means.--Giants27 (t|c|r|s) 19:50, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If we really can't say "defensive end" any more, with a wikilink but without further explanation, then we similarly shouldn't use obscure Britishisms like "football pitch". Before Wikipedia, I never would have guessed it means "soccer field". 00:01, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Charles Guth

5x expanded by Acebulf (talk). Self nom at 01:46, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I improved the article on a period of 27 hours. The last edit before the expansion had 736 characters [3], and the current version has 3752 characters [4]. Which is about 5.1 times what it had before the expansion. Acebulf (talk) 01:46, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1:

Chris Jackson (gridiron football)

5x expanded by Giants27 (talk). Self nom at 01:43, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about that forgot all about it.--Giants27 T/C 02:29, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Expanded.--Giants27 T/C 14:08, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Expansion, history, reference good. Shubinator (talk) 14:54, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
As with the Justin Brown nom, any chance of a timeframe for Jackson's career? — Bellhalla (talk) 05:00, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Radu Berceanu

Created by Biruitorul (talk). Self nom at 16:12, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on May 9

Goes Cube

Created by Morningpulse (talk). Self nom at 23:13, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Spark testing

Sparks flying diagram

5x expanded by Wizard191 (talk). Self nom at 13:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I rechecked the article for current prose length using DYKcheck which gave 2770 bytes, however it didn't include any of the text in the Sparks characteristics section. So I copy and pasted it into word and did a word count on it (taking out the sub-titles and ref numbers) and came to 3926 with spaces and 3723 without spaces (total article word counts). As such, I think it qualifies. Wizard191 (talk) 23:43, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't. DYKcheck didn't include the "Sparks characteristics" section because we define prose to exclude many things including "lists", and you haven't argued why this nomination should be an exception to our usual list rule. Art LaPella (talk) 02:28, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't see how it counts as a list and not prose. If I reformatted the section so each sub-section is listed using ===sub-section=== instead of using the ";" operator it would suddenly qualify as prose per DYKcheck. Each sub-section is written in sentence form and not as fragments. What am I missing? Wizard191 (talk) 16:18, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not going to argue what the rules are, but I personally think in this case it should count as prose. However, I can see how others think it should be counted as a list. Either way I added more to it, so it should now meet the 5x limit. Wizard191 (talk) 01:21, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Added pic as I think it is hooky, and makes a change from faces and houses Victuallers (talk) 10:44, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Want One

5x expanded by Another Believer (talk). Self nom at 00:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: I am not exactly sure how large this expansion is, but I took much of the information list on the previous version and put it into paragraph form. I also expanded the article, and am continuing to do so. Just didn't want to miss out on the opportunity to create a 'DYK' fact for the article. Thanks! --Another Believer (Talk) 00:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Naniwa Maru

The Naniwa Maru in the Osaka Maritime Museum

Created by Bigger digger (talk). Self nom at 18:50, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Search for "first trial sailing", it's on page 6 in the right hand column of 1. You had me worried there for a second!Bigger digger (talk) 03:11, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vassar Institute, Vassar Home for Aged Men

Vassar Institute Vassar Home for Aged Men building

Plane of ecliptic

Mercury, Venus and Jupiter showing their position on the ecliptic plane, with the Moon pictured in the foreground

  • ... that the plane of the ecliptic (effect pictured) is the imaginary plane which all the planets in our Solar System share as they orbit the Sun?

Created/expanded by Dendodge (talk), Synergy (talk). Self nom at 18:52, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John Hollins (artist), Robert Hollond, Thomas Monck Mason

A Consultation prior to the Aerial Voyage to Weilburgh, 1836 by John Hollins

Created by Victuallers (talk). Self nom at 15:36, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Stan Bunn

  • ... that Oregon politician Stan Bunn was investigated for ethics violations by the same commission he once chaired?
  • Comment: Though this is a living person and the hook is slightly negative, it is not unduly negative (per the criteria) as the ethics violations are a well known and well documented aspect of his life.

Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nom at 07:56, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Edouard Duval-Carrié

Added a second example of Duval-Carrié's artistic criticism, more specifically illustrative of the hook. DurovaCharge! 05:35, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Shitou Xiqian

  • ... that Shitou Xiqian was an obscure Zen teacher during his life but is now considered one of the two ancestors of all existing branches of Zen?

Created by Nat Krause (talk). Self nom at 21:03, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Barney Cannon

Created/expanded by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Ref 3 doesn't have the quote about the Louisiana Hayride that's in the article. Ref 1 says Cannon was also known for his tough country music trivia questions, which is different from being considered as an authority on the subject. Maybe change the hook to "knew a lot about". Shubinator (talk) 04:27, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ref. 3 corrected, and the article has been rearranged.Billy Hathorn (talk) 02:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The sentence Cannon spent years studying the history of KWKH and its relationship to the Louisiana Hayride, staged at the downtown Shreveport Municipal Memorial Auditorium is in the article cited to ref 4, but I can't see it in the reference. Shubinator (talk) 20:00, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I altered the sentence to refer to KWKH, the Hayride, and the Auditorium only.Billy Hathorn (talk) 04:40, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Damon E. Allen

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 19:36, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The reference from Ancestry.com is the Social Security Death Index, which is rarely incorrect. I omitted the Classmates reference and changed the Revolutionhealth.com to something else.Billy Hathorn (talk) 03:30, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 3 still isn't great. It could be replaced with this from the government. Also, the sentence on Illinois College of Optometry is sourced by ICO themselves, and should be sourced to a third party for claims like oldest continuing operating institution dedicated solely to the training of optometrists. Shubinator (talk) 03:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Corrections made.Billy Hathorn (talk) 02:28, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Length, history, reference good. Shubinator (talk) 20:19, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Adam and Joe (radio show)

Created by Clavecin (talk). Self nom at 18:11, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mirrorwing flyingfish

Created by Ryan shell (talk). Self nom at 16:25, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

British Comedy Guide

Created by ISD (talk). Self nom at 14:27, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Conductivity (electrolytic)

  • ... that conductivity measurements are used extensively in many industrial and environmental applications as they provide a cheap and reliable way of measuring the ionic content in a solution?

Created by Petergans (talk). Self nom at 09:40, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • The hook is the chapter given in reference 1 in the article. You yourself made this into a Google books reference to the book itself, not the chapter. I'm not happy about the way references 1 and 7 were changed as these books are compendia covering many different topics, so the link to the title page is not that helpful. Petergans (talk) 20:09, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • In my edit I didn't remove any information, I simply added the links to Google Books for verifiability. I agree it's tough to find the information in the books, hence the request for page numbers. The chapter says Conductivity measurement has widespread use in industrial applications, but I can't find information on its cost or reliability. Shubinator (talk) 20:22, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Microsoft Windows is in widespread use, but the word "reliable" usually isn't associated with the product. Your hook has 6 pieces: measures the ionic content, used extensively in industrial applications, used extensively in environmental applications, cheap, reliable, and used extensively because it's cheap and reliable. So far I can see a reference for only two pieces. The other parts need to be referenced, or another hook found. Shubinator (talk) 12:41, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on May 8

BoardEx

  • Comment: The article's at AfD now, but I thought I'd get my foot in the door. I'll drop a note when it's closed.

Created by CDT007 (talk), Maverx (talk), Shubinator (talk). Self nom at 17:24, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dan Itse

ALT ... that New Hampshire State Representative Dan Itse, a Republican, is a chemical engineer who holds four patents on low-emission pollution controls?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 19:27, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the first hook reference to Glenn Beck Show. I could find no other source for the second hook.Billy Hathorn (talk) 01:09, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Stronger references need to be added. So far there's Youtube references (1 and 6), the homepage of ConstitutionParty.org which says nothing about Itse (2), a dead link (3), and two conservative blogs (4 and 5). These are at best questionable. Shubinator (talk) 19:44, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have nothing else on Mr. Itse.Billy Hathorn (talk) 04:42, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT ... that Dan Itse's resolution reasserting New Hampshire's state sovereignty inspired other state legislatures to do the same? --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 21:08, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Riddle Ranch

Created by Orygun (talk). Self nom at 01:07, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1: ... that the site of Riddle Ranch in eastern Oregon was a Native American settlement for over 1,000 years? Shubinator (talk) 23:37, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pisces V

Submersible Pisces V

Created by Mattisse (talk). Self nom at 23:48, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Someone changed the hook in the article so that it and does not match the reference. The new statement is generally known to be true, says the editor, but now it is unreferenced. I would like to change it back, but don't want to get into trouble. —Mattisse (Talk) 01:11, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The hook was not changed in any way and still exists in the body of the article exactly how it was written. Mattisse is getting confused with the lead section and seems to think it is the same as the hook, which is already in the body, exactly as it appears in the DYK. Please look at the third paragraph of the second section: . In August 2002, Pisces V and her sister vessel discovered a Japanese midget submarine, the first vessel to be sunk during the 1941 attack on Pearl Harbor.[2] Viriditas (talk) 01:36, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I apologize. It is always a point of pride to me that the DYK checker does not have to rummage arround in the body of the article to find the hook. I am very sorry. —Mattisse (Talk) 01:42, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Although I didn't know it at the time, I didn't make the change to the lead section until after the hook was verified. Your original hook is still there, in the third paragraph. Viriditas (talk) 01:44, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The hook is in the third paragraph of the second section. Is there any way I can help clear up your confusion? It has been verified and there is currently no problem at all. Viriditas (talk) 01:48, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Greater Manchester bus route 192

Stagecoach bus 192

Created by Majorly (talk). Self nom at 19:49, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

London to Brighton Way (Roman road)

Created by Charlesdrakew (talk). Self nom at 10:28, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The main source for the article is ref. 1, I D Margary, Roman Ways in the Weald 1965 Phoenix House, which is a rare book, so I appreciate that you cannot check that out. I can certainly insert that ref at more points where the text is not covered by other refs. The alternative hook does have a direct online reference (ref 2).--Charles (talk) 09:14, 10 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
(checked using User:Shubinator/DYKcheck) Length, history good; offline reference accepted in good faith. Thanks for adding the citations. Shubinator (talk) 21:03, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sir Galba

  • ... that Sir Galba (born George Brindsley McSween in Grenada) who was a seminal and well-loved calypsonian in Trinidad in the 40s and 50s, committed suicide after stabbing his girlfriend on 18 Sept. 1957?

Created by John Hill (talk) 02:56, 8 May 2009 (UTC) Self nom at 02:53, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • I do agree with Dr. Blofeld's criticisms - they are indeed fair and I have tried to take them on board. I have removed some of the "peacock words and phrases" and given an on-line reference to the murder-suicide (I can remember when this happened - it shocked the nation - but I can find nothing in print about it other than the one reference - the online archives of Trindiad newspapers do not go back so far in time). If more needs to be done, please let me know. Unfortunately, because Sir Galba died so young and (I think), unlike many other calypsonians, never went overseas and became known to British or US audiences, there is almost no information available on him (except in people's memories), although he was for some years a major influence on the development of the calypso in Trinidad - and a favourite singer during my childhood at Carnival and on the local radio. His recordings are now so extremely rare that one of his relatives had only heard part of one track recorded by him after years of searching. Fortunately, my parents had a 45 rpm record with his fabulous song "Bajan Diplomat" on it which my sister inherited and I have just made available to all to freely download as referred to in the article. Have a listen, its great! Sir Galba deserves to be remembered! John Hill (talk) 23:04, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is this site a reliable source? It says it is a blog? Dr. Blofeld (talk) 10:29, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It doesn't appear to be a reliable source per WP:RS.Smallman12q (talk) 01:47, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The hook is also supported by the Big Drum Nation reference which isn't a blog, but I make no claims one way or the other for its reliability. SpinningSpark 20:38, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Articles created/expanded on May 7

Palestinian Land Law

I have removed this hook from the queue, as it is clearly not ready for prime time in my view. Both the hook and the article are POV, failing to contextualize the information in any way, for example by providing explanations for why this "law" has supposedly been implemented. In fact, I can't even find a solid reference which confirms this is an actual statute passed by the PA, let alone with the name "Palestinian Land Law". So I have my doubts this article can be redeemed, but in the meantime I'm placing a POV tag on it until at least some of the outstanding problems have been resolved. Gatoclass (talk) 04:52, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have now placed a merge tag on the article. Gatoclass (talk) 05:09, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The aforementioned problems with the article seem to be the result of a few major oversights. The article does provide explanations for the laws implementation. As a matter of fact, there's a whole section provided for this issue. See Palestinian Land Law#Reasoning. The article also provides an on-line source for the name of the law. See the snippet at the bottom righthand corner of this page. There is also multiple sources - all footnoted in the article - about the statute's implementation. As the article states in Palestinian Land Law#Law, the actual law was never implemented by the PA. Rather, it was a holdover law that was originally passed by Jordan, who controlled the West Bank from 1948 until 1967. All this is sourced in the article. Granted, the article's subject is a contentious and sensitive, removing the article from the DYK queue for that reason sets an unhealthy precedent for editors that don't write articles about ships and plants. This article was already verified for a DYK by User:Shubinator. I would request that User:Gatoclass or another editor take another look at the validity of the concerns raised above. Thanks, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 20:46, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If sensitive hooks are to be avoided we can go with:
... that the Palestinian Land Law, which prohibits land sales to Jews, is a holdover from a law enacted by Jordan when it controlled the West Bank?
or:
... that Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas has to sign off on each verdict where Palestinians are found in violation of the Palestinian Land Law?--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 21:59, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment—I don't see a problem with either the article or the hook. Most countries that gained independence recently (especially after WWII), or non-sovereign governments like the PNA, got most of their laws from the previous ruling entity. For example, most Israeli laws are based on British Mandate laws. Therefore, the law doesn't have to be invented by a Palestinian to be called "Palestinian Land Law". There are enough sources in the article stating that this law exists, and the article itself is very clear on how the law originated, the reasoning for it, and how it's implemented. Brewcrewer did an excellent job with it. None of Gatoclass's arguments are actually true, and I invite the any third-party to read the article, examine the sources, and comment here. Personally, I believe the hook should also mention Christians, i.e. ... that under the Palestinian Land Law, the sale of land to Christians or Jews is punishable by the death penalty? —Ynhockey (Talk) 00:43, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for commenting here, Ynhockey.
I've looked at the sources cited in the article plus a few others. I think it's undeniably true that the sale of land to Christians or Jews is punishable by the death penalty (I like Ynhockey's proposal to add "Christians" to the hook) -- I don't see any reason to soft-pedal that, as it's well-sourced. However, I don't find evidence that the law is called the "Palestinian Land Law", except by one cited source. I'd feel better about this if the name were changed (in the article title and the hook) to Palestinian land law. --Orlady (talk) 00:57, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I support the move as a temporary solution, although in the long term, it would be best if an Arabic-speaking Wikipedian could find out exactly what the statute was called. —Ynhockey (Talk) 01:26, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Changing the title to "Palestinian land law" would still be very misleading as it would suggest that this is the totality of the law in regards to property under the control of the PA.
Furthermore, as I've argued on the article talk page, there is no legitimate reason whatever for having a standalone article on this phenomenon when we already have a perfectly good article called Human rights in the Palestinian National Authority which exists precisely to document such issues.
It seems to me that the only reason anyone would have for creating a standalone article on a phenomenon that has gained barely a line in NGO reports is to promote some bad publicity about the PA to the front page of Wikipedia. I will strongly oppose any attempt by partisans of any stripe to employ Wikipedia as a promotional vehicle for their cause, particularly on a topic as contentious as the I/P conflict. Gatoclass (talk) 04:19, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm on board with User:Ynhockey and User:Orlady for moving the article to the lower case Palestinian land law pending better sourcing for the name of the law. It's unclear exactly why this clearly notable law which involves, and has involved, the death penalty is not notable enough for a stand alone article. As attested by the article's sources, this singular law has clearly received significant coverage in reliable sources and clearly meets any sort of WP:N standard. Although not germane to this discussion, User:Gatoclass's last comment is most troubling. Can an editor (especially one with multiple DYK's on a number of different subjects) write an article that is connected to the I-P conflict without being accused in bad faith of using WP as a promotional vehicle? I'm not accusing Gatoclass of inhibiting this DYK for his advocacy reasons and I would hope that the same accusation not leveled at me for promoting the article I worked hard on. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 05:03, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have struck those comments as they probably did not express my views with sufficient clarity. They were not intended as an expression of bad faith in a particular user, but rather as a general comment about the need to maintain vigilance at DYK in regards to topic areas that tend to attract partisan editing. Gatoclass (talk) 06:58, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

At this point it is clear that only User:Gatoclass finds the article and all proposed hooks to be problematic. The four other editors that have chimed in at this discussion seem to be on the same page regarding the article content and any of the proposed hooks. There's nothing to indicate that any editor has a veto power of DYK's so I think it's safe to say that there's a consensus that this can move forward. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 13:05, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, sorry, there is no consensus at all, there is the author of the article, yourself, and YnHockey, one of your political bedfellows who has almost never commented here, in addition to which Orlady and Dravecky have put forward a couple of suggestions which I have said would not address my concerns. Neither of them have since responded, indicating that they accepted my arguments. I have a strong objection to the appearance of this article on the front page in its current state, and indeed I've said I don't believe the topic warrants its own article at all as your sources are not adequate. I have given some of my reasons here and at the talk page in question, until those reasons are actually addressed I will continue to oppose the promotion of this article. Gatoclass (talk) 13:15, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't interpret my earlier lack of response as implying acceptance of your arguments. In this instance it happens to mean that I do not devote myself to Wikipedia 24/7, and I have no particular passion about this article. --Orlady (talk) 19:26, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please stop with your attacks. Editors are allowed to write articles about subjects that they are familiar with even if they are politically sensitive topics. When they nominate their creations for DYK, they don't have to face your bad-faith abuse. Your repeated personal attacks indicate a lack of objectivity, further weakening the Alamo-like stance you have taken on this article. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 13:22, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Now it's a "personal attack" and abuse to have merely observed that you and Yn both share pro-Israeli sentiments? I hardly think so. You certainly aren't contributing to any sort of rational discussion yourself if you are going to resort to such frivolous accusations. Gatoclass (talk) 14:40, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes it is a "personal attack" I have written an article about a notable Palestinian Authority law and you're accusing me both expressly and implicitly of being a pro-Israel activist only interested in promoting my political causes. That is an attack. You're accusing me of purposefully violating one of Wikipedia's main tenets - WP:NPOV. And yes it is "abuse". It is unfair that an editor writes an article about a notable law within the I-P conflict, which always has the potential of putting one side in a less then positive light, and gets yelled at for being a political activist. I'm not a political activist for writing the article and User:Ynhockey, User:Dravecky, User:Orlady and User:Shubinator aren't political activists for agreeing that the article is DYK-eligible. I would make the same protests against any editor that accused you of being a pro-Palestinian activist because of your strong opposition to the article. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 17:54, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
you're accusing me both expressly and implicitly of being a pro-Israel activist only interested in promoting my political causes
Um, no I'm not. I simply said that you and Ny are "political bedfellows" ie, pro-Israeli editors. Noting that you are pro-Israel is in no way tantamount to accusing you of being "only interested in promoting [your] political causes". That is entirely your own assumption, and I can't be held responsible for that. Gatoclass (talk) 18:10, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please quit with your implications about my political views and please quit wikilawyering. Please limit your comments to article content. With respect, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 18:19, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Please quit making false accusations. This is getting very tiresome. If you want to discuss content, I am happy to do so at any time. Gatoclass (talk) 18:38, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Since I will soon be logging off, and won't be able to contribute further to this discussion for some time, I feel I should state some of my objections to this article in order to make them clear.

  • Firstly, there are actually no references I can find that support the claim in the intro that this law applies to Christians as well as Jews. None of the given online references state as much, and of the two offline references, I have found what appear to be online copies of both that clearly state that the law does not apply to Christians. So that's one major statement to begin with which appears to be completely incorrect, and that's only one statement I've investigated;
  • Secondly, in regards to POV problems, which I do not have time to list here or to edit in the article itself right now: the intro fails to provide any explanation for why the law, or rather, the punishment, has been decided upon - which is, basically, because of the ongoing Israeli encroachment of Arab Jerusalem and other Palestinian territory outside Israel proper. Without such context, the article gives a completely one-sided and misleading picture of the law. The article itself has scarcely a word of explanation in regards to the PA's reasons for passing the law, apart from one sentence complete with scare quotes and one direct quote from a mullah which puts the Palestinian view in the worst possible light. But a quick perusal of the sources, even brief ones like the BBC article for example, reveals a much more balanced picture. In fact the BBC article might be considered something of a model for the sort of approach that should be taken with the article itself. Even the Jerusalem Post piece, which only deals with the mullah's comments, is far more neutral in presentation than the article itself, so I believe this article has a long way to go;
  • Thirdly, there is no title, at least none I can think of, that accurately describes the contents of the article, because there is surely a lot more to "Palestinian land law" than one statute prescribing the death penalty, and we should not feature an article on such a topic that deals with only one controversial statute;
  • Fourth, especially given the lack of an obvious title, there is no reason to have a standalone article on this topic at all when it would be much more appropriate to include the contents, such as it is, in the Human rights in the Palestinian National Authority article. Singling out controversial material for highlighting in a standalone article is the very definition of POV fork.

- This is just a rough outline of some of my objections, in my view the article would need to be completely rewritten before it could even be considered for the front page, and given the amount of debate it has already generated, I see little prospect of the problems being resolved in the near future. Gatoclass (talk) 16:31, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the points have already been refuted above and at the article's talkpage, but I guess there's nothing wrong with a review.
  1. There are 2 sources in the article. Page 22 of this article and this Boston Globe feature article clearly discuss the laws application to Christians.
  2. The Palestinian Land Law#Reasoning section of the article does mention that the reason for the law is the "encroachment" of the Israelis. We are limited to the wording of the reliable sources. If anybody finds specific wording that is more preferable in a reliable source, then by all means add the wording to the article. But we can't plaster an article with a POV tag if no alternative is offered.--resolved by User:Orlady[6]brewcrewer (yada, yada) 18:57, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  3. We don't really have to come up with a new name if the law is described as the "Palestinian Land Law". Any concerns about the potential connections to advocacy by the author should only apply to actual content, not to the naming of a law that clearly exists. In addition, we will always have the option of using the Arabic name for the statute. Finally, as a number of editors have agreed upon above, the lower case Palestinian land law should satisfy all concerns for now.
  4. Multiple editors both here and at the article talk page have opposed the merger proposal. Although there is a tangential relationship between the two, the relationship is not that connected to support merging two well sized articles. Agreed, that the subject of the article is controversial, but that is what makes it notable. A PA statute that concerns recycling is just not going to lots coverage in the international press.
Thanks, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 19:34, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, what the Globe article actually says is, "Specifically, Palestinian Christian leaders cite land laws that prescribe the death penalty for selling land to Jews. This law is often interpreted by Palestinians in the street as preventing Muslims from selling to any non-Muslims, including Christians." So that strongly backs up the original hook but doesn't quite back up the ban on the sale to Christians. - Dravecky (talk) 19:10, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
True. The Globe is a bit ambiguous. It is unclear to what extent the common interpretation affects the law's application to Christians. I do agree that the original hook, which was specific to Jews, is more in-line with the sources.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 19:15, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I am convinced that yesterday I read sources saying that the law applied to sales to all non-Muslims, but I can't find such a source today, so I must have been hallucinating. Some sources do indicate that the law specifies "occupiers," which presumably is intended to mean Jews or Israelis, but could be interpreted broadly (if the translation is correct). The edited version of the article seems to convey that part of the story accurately, indicating that the law applies to sales to Jews but appears also to affect Christians. Accordingly, I think the hook should say "Jews."
In reviewing this item, I have been particularly interested in finding sources that are not particularly associated with a pro-Israel POV. The article's sources now include several such: BBC News, The New York Times, the Boston Globe, and Al Jazeera. IMO, this is sufficient to justify a main-page item.
Regarding the proposed title "Palestinian land law," I agree that it implies a broader scope than this article currently has, but that would make this just one of many articles that could stand to be expanded.
As for the merge proposal, I don't think the merger is justified. This article is not about human rights so much as it is about property law and ongoing territorial disputes. Moreover, even if it's about a human rights topic, where is it written that there can be only one article about human rights topics related to Palestine? --Orlady (talk) 19:26, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
An article about such a shocking and draconian law is bound to engender sentiment against the Palestinian cause in many. But it is not POV-pushing on the part of Wikipedia to write such an article, always providing it is not written in a sensationalist way. The POV is in the opinions of those readers who find such severe punishments shocking and in those that would legislate and maintain such laws. An encyclopedia is about facts, especially interesting facts, and there are few things that can be more indisputably factual than a piece of written legislation. So yes, this article should be promoted to the front page, despite its controversy. That's what makes it interesting. SpinningSpark 02:54, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
My concern is not that it is "POV-pushing to write such an article". My primary concern is that the article itself is POV. As it happens, I see the article has improved a tad since I last looked at it, presumably from the contributions of Orlady, but I am still not entirely satisfied as to its neutrality.
My second concern is whether this information merits its own article, or whether it would be better included as a separate section in the Human rights in the Palestinian National Authority article. Given that the NGOs who have written about this law have not seen fit to make it a separate topic, but have included it in broader discussions of civil rights under the PA, I see no reason why we should be highlighting this in a separate article of its own.
My third concern is that I feel the current title is unsatisfactory as it does not accurately reflect the contents. I've still been unable to think of a satisfactory alternative, which is part of the reason I feel the topic is unsuitable for its own article.
Finally however, if there is a consensus amongst DYK regulars that the article be promoted to DYK, I will not stand in the way, although there is still the issue of finding a suitably neutral hook. Apart from that, I might try and tweak the article a little myself some time today if I can find the time. Gatoclass (talk) 04:56, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, as there's a consensus to promote the article, I want to consolidate all the hook options here in one place so that the final promoter can just choose a hook. As mentioned above, the inclusion of the ban of Christians is iffy so I'm removing that as an option. We're left with:

Thanks, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 05:38, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think well of the first one, but I would put in the lower case; either through the name change or by piping. I think there is not question that this article would have been promoted had it been "Lilliputian Land Law" or soemthing else that people don't care about intensely.--Wehwalt (talk) 05:57, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The last hook is acceptable, the previous two are not, although (did I say so earlier?) I still think the article title is problematic.
Also, I am currently working on an alternative version of the article, so I would appreciate it if the existing article was not promoted to the queue until I have finished. If for some reason I am unable to do so, I will leave a note here to that effect. Gatoclass (talk) 07:34, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Gatoclass: Every single editor that has chimed in at this talk page has agreed that the article can be promoted to DYK. Similarly, not one editor has questioned the legitimacy of the original verified hook that you unilaterally yanked off the DYK queue. This whole "discussion" is filled with your debunked POV claims and your unwanted comments about editors' political views. It's time to move on here. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 08:18, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
What's the hurry? I think we can wait a few hours yet. There are plenty of other hooks to choose from on this page, and since I still have some NPOV concerns, it won't hurt to give me a little time to address them. Also, since I started the rewrite, I have found numerous factual errors in the article as it stands, so it definitely needs a cleanup before it goes to the main page. Gatoclass (talk) 09:19, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The third hook gives no clue what the law is about and is not very "hooky". It would be good if the law was already widely known but I do not think this is the case. Also, the qualifying article is at the end of the sentence thus detracting from it. SpinningSpark 09:13, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's not very "hooky" but then the other hooks are not very neutral. But if the third hook is unsatisfactory, I think we can still probably come up with an alternative hook that is still "hooky" while complying better with NPOV. Gatoclass (talk) 09:24, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The PA seem to believe that this law is fully justified. It cannot be POV against them to factually state a law which they themselves are in favour of. POV against Jews? POV against the lawbreakers? Don't think so - and no-one else is mentioned for there to be POV against. If anything, it is the third hook with its rather apologist tone that is POV. SpinningSpark 10:16, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
NPOV states that facts must be presented neutrally. The problem with a hook like "Did you know that under the Palestinian Land Law, the sale of land to Jews is punishable by the death penalty?" is that one could easily form the conclusion from reading it that this is simply a racist, discriminatory law with no possible justification. Your own response above is itself a pretty good indication of the kind of response a hook like this is likely to elicit.
The basic hook fact acquires a quite different hue, however, in the light of ongoing expropriations of Palestinian territory by the Israeli state, demolitions of thousands of "illegal" Palestinian homes, and so on. Palestinian society is under siege from the expanding Israeli settlement project, and if Palestinians were to sell what remains of their property to Jews, pretty soon there would be no prospect whatever of a viable Palestinian state. So from their POV, they are simply trying to defend what remains of their territory. In that light, there is nothing racist or discriminatory about this law at all. A truly NPOV hook would therefore not merely assert the simple fact, but add a word about the Palestinians' reasons for passing such a law. Gatoclass (talk) 11:28, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, try this, SpinningSpark 11:48, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with that. Gatoclass (talk) 11:58, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, I finished my proposed rewrite of the article. It's not much different from the original, except for the addition of a "Background" section to add historical context, and some reorganization of the existing material and correction of factual errors. It can be read here for those who are interested. I haven't added refs yet as I thought perhaps I'd wait for some feedback. It may be too late to get approval for it as a whole but perhaps I might at least get some support for inclusion of the "Background" section in the existing article. Cheers, Gatoclass (talk) 12:08, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yeah, and the intro is structured a little differently. I've been considering proposing a page move, to something like Death penalty and Palestinian property law because I still feel that Palestinian Land Law is not a very appropriate title. Since almost all the refs highlight the death penalty aspect rather than the law per se, it seems to me that should be reflected in the title. Gatoclass (talk) 12:13, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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