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Portal
Please vote on potential selected articles, images and biographies for the Portal
Discussions within the project included promotion of the portal, changing colours, outside praise of the project, some of the articles have been selected for Wikipedia 0.8 release and a query on the London General Omnibus Company.
In other project related discussions included new railway maps, route-boxes for London Overground and National Rail and usage data methods
I noticed you'd removed some linkspam which looked like this: "Parents are encouraged to be actively involved in their children's school life by joining a Parent-Teacher Association or Fathers@Schools group."
I found some more at another article on education. Is there a way to search for and delete such links by bot? I'm not a very advanced editor, I'm afraid. Brythain (talk) 12:59, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I don't know much about bots. I just fix such things when I come across them. In any case, you have to judge each case on its merits, not clear how a bot could do that. -- Alarics (talk) 20:23, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oh well in that case just copy a character string from that wording and put it in the search box to find all the articles containing it. -- Alarics (talk) 09:09, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
German encyclopedia of Brockhaus is edited by an "official" academic scientists scholars. Britannica is edited by academics. Both "natonal" encyclopedias are used officially as a reliable sources for semantical problems in trials at courts. Other sources hadn't such official status. Therefore you use unoffical/unscientific opinions. I think an encyclopedia must contain only official scientific facts rather than private/obsolete (subjective statements) opinions. You believe in obsolete political Cold War terms rather than geographic/cultural terms. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/Hemisferio_Oeste.png— Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronaldka (talk • contribs) 11:46, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It's not as straightforward as that. Many reliable sources could be found stating that Germany is in Western Europe. That's not to say that it is not (at least partly) in Central Europe as well. There is no hard and fast dividing line between the two, and clearly the concepts overlap. That's why on balance it seems best to say that it is in both. -- Alarics (talk) 13:34, 16 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Discussions within the project included lack of interest in the portal, station passenger usage over the years, a possible splitting of the A1 road article and a brief GA nomination of the Metropolitan line.
Other project related discussions included photo requests on various companies' headquarters across London including airlines, category and naming discussions on the River Lea\Lee, platform operations, merger of a category on former London and South Western Railway stations, Copyright at Tattenham Corner station, mystery of Gordon Hill, officiality at St Pancras, 2009-2010 usage data and when to implement it, Crossrail and Thameslink classes and the merger of Euston stations
Many, many apologies for not having a February edition. I ran into computer troubles and whilst i was editing around that time, i did not have time to do the newsletter until mid or late February. Hope that can be forgiven. Here is the March edition.
On retrospect your revert of my addition of GB to the United Kingdom article was the right thing to do. Even if the British Olympic commitee did make a bit of a hash of it when they named the United Kingdom squad 'team GB' should not mean we make the same mistake. Oh, and thanks for mentioning that it was a good faith edit, as it was. :) Carson101 (talk) 17:07, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Please read WP:HYPHEN, which states "A hyphen is not used after a standard -ly adverb (a newly available home, a wholly owned subsidiary)". I am following the MoS to the letter. Almost every style guide in the world advises against the use of a hyphen after a standard -ly adverb, and the MoS has been this way for years and years. There is zero chance that you will convince me that hyphenating "wholly owned" is the way to go. Please abide by the MoS. And, no, I didn't read your edit summary; there is no requirement to study an article's revision history when there are clear errors to correct. Happy editing! Christhe spelleryack23:27, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The MOS is simply wrong on this specific case, but we'll have to agree to differ. -- 05:48, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Thanks very much for your note about the endless St Pancras renaming debate. I think I might just let it take its course: we will still be able to find it, whatever it is called, and I can't get too concerned about it. I mostly got involved in the talk page just because I was rather appalled by the IP's rude and aggressive behaviour, and their unhelpful C&P redirects. As long as whatever happens happens properly, I think it's fine. Cheers DBaK (talk) 22:01, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that in the context of eternity it is not the most pressing concern. However I think I may be able to find a WP:RS confirming that "St Pancras International" is indeed the official name, for what it's worth. I agree with you about the IP but there is also another especially vociferous editor who refuses to countenance any compromise, even when several editors clearly disagree with him or her, and that annoys me too. -- Alarics (talk) 22:27, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It is tagged at his User contributions page, which is where I accidentally found it. I didn't know blocked was different from banned and I have changed my message on Talk:Germany accordingly. -- Alarics (talk) 14:16, 30 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Athwart
While the distinction in meaning is noted, it is important that an encyclopaedia inform its readership, not bewilder it. The term, although technically not as obsolete as I first believed, has fallen out of common use to the extent that most well educated, native English speakers are unfamiliar with it. I don't intend repeating the exercise (you can find it in the archive of WP:ERRORS for the day when Peterborough was TFA, or the eve of that day), but google searches for many major English rivers + athwart drew a blank or had a mere handful of hits. The same impression, clarifying that the town is not merely on one bank of the river, could be achieved in less technical language by stating that the river runs through the town. Kevin McE (talk) 16:51, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Hello Alarics, i think you mean Reflinks rather than Checklinks when you're talking about changing the YYYY-MM-DD format. It is possible to use different settings on reflinks so no accessdate is added. I would try to remember that when changing the Facebook article though it seems easier to use the format the bots are using, rather than having to manually convert all the dates to a longer format, happy editing Tom B (talk) 11:28, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, but I was only using Facebook as an example. I am not concerned with that article alone but with the principle of getting the bot to respect the style being used in any given article. Otherwise it creates a lot of extra work for those of us who are trying to maintain consistency of presentation. -- Alarics (talk) 11:43, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
but a lot of articles use YYYY-MM-DD, to have consistency you'd have to go through the whole of wikipedia changing all the date. Surely it would be easier to use the YYYY-MM-DD format using the various tools, rather than using the tools to help fill-in the references and then changing the all date formats for no reason. Tom B (talk) 12:50, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
But another lot of articles do NOT use YYYY-MM-DD, and many editors greatly dislike it (there has been intense debate on this issue at MOSNUM and elsewhere over a long period). The important requirement is to be consistent *within each article* (nobody supposes that we are ever going to get standardisation across the whole of Wikipedia). Where the article already consistently has the dates in a different format, it should respect that format. That's my point. (Just to be clear: when I came upon the Facebook article, the references were a terrible mess, full of inconsistencies and inadequacies of all kinds. Many dates, including some access dates, were in MDY as befits an article on an American subject, and for the sake of consistency I changed the ones that were in YYYY-MM-DD to MDY.) -- Alarics (talk) 14:56, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed so. However, the bot in this particular instance put the publication dates in YYYY-MM-DD as well as the access dates. We are not talking here about access dates alone. Even if access dates are in YYYY-MM-DD -- which in the present instance, only some were -- the publication dates should not be. -- Alarics (talk) 14:56, 16 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Facebook GAR
An article that you have been involved in editing, Facebook has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the good article reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. — Parent5446☯(msgemail)02:30, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It is not true that it should always be "work" and not "publisher" for the Template:Cite news. The former italicises the text provided, so should be used for newspapers and magazines. Online, television, and other sources that are not italicised take the "publisher" parameter. -Rrius (talk) 20:10, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Who says so? Why should online news sources not also be italicised? There is no logic in making such a distinction. -- Alarics (talk) 20:15, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
First, the answer is that MOSCAPS says so. There is no accepted style guide that says website names are italicised, and our doesn't include it either. If we accepted your position, this project would be called Wikipedia, but it is nowhere, not on the web or in print, italicised. If you are linking to an article at guardian.co.uk, you can simply say it is the The Guardian, so long as it is not just a web feature, but you never italicise a web address such as "guardian.co.uk", unless it happens to be the name of a book or television show or the like. -Rrius (talk) 20:25, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I completely disagree. I agree we would not italicise Wikipedia, but that is because it is not a news site, so you have chosen an irrelevant example. Nobody has ever suggested, as far as I know, that all website names should be italicised. I am talking only about news sources. guardian.co.uk is a bit of a special case because quite a lot of its articles are on the web only, and you can tell which because each article has a clickable "Article history" feature that tells you whether or not it appeared in the printed paper as well, or only on the website. In the former case I would put "The Guardian" in italics. It makes no sense at all not to italicise guardian.co.uk when putting that instead of "The Guardian" in the case where the article appears on the website only. The website describes itself as guardian.co.uk: that is its actual name (formerly Guardian Unlimited). More generally, the proper distinction is not between websites and the printed media, but between recognised news sources (whether printed or online or both), which should be italicised, and other kinds of sources, whether online or not, which should not be italicised. Any other scheme is completely illogical. I don't know why you mention MOSCAPS, which has nothing to say on this subject. The documentation for "cite news" makes clear that the "publisher" parameter is intended for use only in the rare case where the reference is to a small or obscure local newspaper which is part of a larger group or chain of newspapers. Indeed, a proposal to remove that parameter altogether is under discussion as we speak. -- Alarics (talk) 20:50, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but you are wrong. "guardian.co.uk" is a url and the name of a webpage, not the title of a work. If you want to cite to the newspaper, you call it The Guardian. If you want to highlight that it is the website, you don't italicise. I know you don't like it, but that is too bad. There is simply no authority for italicising online sources. It is never BBC News; rather, it is BBC News. You also for some reason italicised "Transport for London", which makes no sense whatever: Transport for London is an transport agency, not a press agency of any kind. -Rrius (talk) 21:16, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You are being very careless with the facts. It was certainly not I who italicised "Transport for London" in Metropolitan line, something it would never occur to me to do. I entirely agree with your edit in that particular case: clearly, Transport for London is the publisher. That reference was not a news citation, and, as I said before, my concern about "publisher" being used when it should be "newspaper" or "work" applies only to news sources, and in particular to the use of the "cite news" template. As for your statement that "it is never BBC News", I am afraid you are going to have a lot of work to do if you propose to de-italicise all the occurrences of italicised "BBC News" in news references across Wikipedia. In reality it is very often BBC News, and should always be, in my view. -- Alarics (talk) 21:26, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Multiple newspapers
I must say this is the first time anyone has ever accused me of slighting anything involving Africa. I am well aware there are multiple newspapers, radio stations, TV stations, books, people and so forth, sharing the same or similar names. At Wikipedia, if one usage is the major usage, the others have qualifiers or descriptors added in parentheses, but the major one does not. It's the assumed default. It's not necessary to use 'Aljazeera (Qatar)', for instance, even though that's hardly a unique name. It's also not necessary to use 'The Guardian (newspaper)' just because there was a 2006 film with that name. The Guardian is one of the major international news sources. Beyond that...the newspaper you referred to isn't listed at Guardian (disambiguation). It doesn't have its own article, either. Neither is there an article about Media in Tanzania (one of the many articles redlinked in Outline_of_Tanzania#Culture_of_Tanzania). If you look at IPP Media you can see they have other properties with names similar to some major international ones. You'll find similar in several former British colonies, but it doesn't mean people are in danger of assuming The Financial Times, if not further described, isn't the international one. My point is...if your goal is to recognize all countries equally, the way to do that is to work on articles, not add cities to existing newspaper articles which don't need them. This might help you get started.Flatterworld (talk) (btw - I created a redirect for The Guardian (Tanzania) to IPP Media, so if someone uses it, it won't be a redlink.) 17:43, 27 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think we are slightly at cross-purposes. I was not talking about Wikipedia articles about newspapers, only about the use of the newspaper's name in references in articles generally. Whether or not there is a Wikipedia article about the newspaper itself is quite a separate issue. In the case of articles about newspapers, clearly there is no pressing need to disambiguate the most important one with a particular name, since the reader of the article, if he has already got that far, can see from the article where it is published. But if we are talking about a reference in some other article, the reader in Tanzania cannot be assumed to know that the The Guardian referred to is a publication other than the one of that name with which he is familiar. I should imagine that many Wikipedia editors are likely to know that 'The Guardian is one of the major international news sources' and that that means the one in London unless otherwise stated, but we are writing for our readers, not for ourselves, and we are supposed to be encouraging readers in the less-developed world (and furthermore whose first language might not be English). The guidelines for the "cite news" template at Template:Cite news should, in my view, be taken in this respect to apply to news citations generally, and they say unambiguously that the name of the city of publication should be included if it is not part of the name of the newspaper. -- Alarics (talk) 18:25, 27 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
As I said before, if you want to help readers from, or interested in, Tanzania, there are lots of ways to do that. This is not actually one of them. If there is some particular article you have a problem with (this Template is only used within External links - this is NOT connected with "cite news" usage which is intended for inline citations), then add '(London)' after using the Template and it will show up just fine. Or hardcode it instead. That's what I would do for the other Aljazeera and Le Monde and Financial Times etc. articles. No need to impact all the others by changing the Template itself. Flatterworld (talk) 18:43, 27 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You are still misconstruing my point. I am not setting out to "help readers from Tanzania"; that is not my purpose at all. I mentioned Tanzania only because it happens to have a newspaper called The Guardian. My point is that the names of newspapers should always be given with the city of publication, unless that place is already part of the newspaper's name, and that not to do so in the particular case of a London paper (the same applies to The Times and The Daily Telegraph) is unjustifiably Western-centric. -- Alarics (talk) 21:40, 27 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
And I'm saying you're incorrect in your interpretation of External link guidelines, and this has nothing to do with being Western-centric. As I pointed out, we do NOT use Aljazeera (Qatar) on a routine basis, or BBC (London), or Wall Street Journal (New York City), or Financial Times (London) as those are unnecessary as well as condescending. Most people are familiar with these news sources, as they're read and watched internationally. It's the basic principle of when disambiguation is required, and when it is not, and that's not limited to specific disambiguation pages. It's about when qualification is needed, and when it is not. There are multiple George Washingtons, but when providing a quote or reference it's not considered necessary, or even desirable, to include (former President of the United States) after his name UNLESS it's actually someone else. The well known one is assumed to be the default. Same with The Guardian. Furthermore, WHAT qualification is needed is important. What's important in a source used in an External link is NOT the city, but a link to its article within Wikipedia, enabling readers unfamiliar with the source to learn more about it. 'City' is a minor point when we're referring to an INTERNATIONAL news source as opposed to, say, the Gainesville, Florida, USA Guardian). What's more relevant is whether it's a serious news source, a scandal sheet, the publisher, the editor, etc., all of which and more will be found within the Wikipedia article about the news source. If someone isn't aware the Guardian is based in London, I can't imagine they know anything else important about it, and so they really do need to click through to the article. Why on earth would it help simply to know it's based in London? Which is why I'm irritated no end with Wikipedians who REFUSE to link to the source's article in Wikipedia, if they include the source at all. (As well as those who seem to believe dates don't matter, nor do the names of the actual journalists as if they're all interchangeable automatons. Which in some news sources they seem to be.) Which is why I prefer using 'topic coverage' templates for External links, which also discourage endless minor articles being linked in External links which belong, if at all, as inline citations for whatever they're reporting. There are a few major international newspapers which collect all their coverage by Topic, and those are generally worth listing. The Guardian is one of those. Flatterworld (talk) 18:14, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I agree you about dates, and the names of journalists. I am particularly exercised by people who put an access date for an online newspaper reference but not the publication date, which is far more significant. On the rest, we shall have to agree to differ. -- Alarics (talk) 18:19, 30 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Alarics, changing {{reflist}} might have got the references to display, but not the following navboxen. The RDT has been amended recently, and it looks like it has tipped the balance, so I've stopped it transcluding (now a regular wikilink). I think that mjroots (talk·contribs) did something with the East Coast Main Line, but with a two level template. This probably needs to go to UK Trains, but it's gone time for bed (reply here if you wish). Tim PF (talk) 23:31, 12 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Tim, I'm afraid the technicalities of this are all quite beyond me. I thought at first it must be a WP-wide temporary problem but then it seemed not to be, so I just did the only "quick and dirty" fix that I could think of, but, as you say, it only partly worked. Thanks for taking the problem to the appropriate quarter. -- Alarics (talk) 06:53, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. I think you did the right thing in the circumstances, and I probably wouldn't have noticed had I not seen your edit summary. Two kludges should keep it afloat until a precis template gets written. Tim PF (talk) 16:16, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I just wanted to discuss a sentence in the lead of the UK article. The sentence in question now reads 'It is a member state of the European Union, a permanent member of the United Nations Security Council, and a member of the Commonwealth of Nations, G8, G20, the OECD, the Council of Europe, the World Trade Organization and NATO.'
In my view the word 'the' which appears before 'Commonwealth of Nations' also prefixes G8, G20, OECD, Council of Europe and World Trade Organization', all of which do require the word 'the' before them when appearing in prose. The word 'the' can in my view be omitted from before OECD, Council of Europe and World Trade Organization because the 'the' before Commonwealth of Nations is already prefixed to them. This is why I moved 'NATO' to the end of the sentence, so it can be broken off that prefixing with the 'and'. I hope this makes sense! Rangoon11 (talk) 12:37, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Rangoon, I see what you mean, but while you can certainly do that with adjectives, I don't think you can do it with nouns, such as the names of organisations. I can't find Fowler at this minute, and the matter is not covered one way or the other in the Oxford Guide to the English Language, but I just asked my friend next door, who is a professional linguist, and he agrees with me that each separate "the" is necessary. -- Alarics (talk) 13:49, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I wondered if you had managed to find a definitive answer on this point yet? If the word 'the' is in fact required each time it should probably be added before 'G8' and 'G20' as well, as they also don't read properly without (i.e. we wouldn't say 'the UK is a member of G8', rather 'the UK is a member of the G8'). Rangoon11 (talk) 00:05, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Can't find Fowler. The versions of it that are free on line (Google Books) only include certain pages. It will have to wait till I go to the library, unless you can find it, or something equally authoritative. But meanwhile yes, you are right, I think G8 and G20 should also have a "the". I will fix it right away. -- Alarics (talk) 08:20, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Overlinking
Did we get the crossed wires of simultaneous editing here? You seem to have unlinked a few things (the GLC, the GLA, the British Transport Commission) which aren't linked anywhere else in the article. --McGeddon (talk) 15:27, 30 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Whoops! Classic case of edit conflict. I pasted my edits back in with (as I thought) your edits preserved, but carelessly missed those ones. Apologies. I have fixed it now. -- Alarics (talk) 18:43, 30 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Passenger numbers double for East London line one year on.
More bins on London Underground
Huge increase in lost property on TFL network
Crime dropped by 7% on London Underground and Docklands Light Railway and 4% on London Buses
Initial results of removal of Congestion Charge Western extension shows little impact on traffic and air quality
Daniel Buren to create new permanent artwork at Tottenham Court Road Tube station
May
Polish poetry introduced on London Underground
Pedestrian Countdown brings benefits to London
Electric vehicle scheme "Source London" switched on
Bus route 488 extended to Dalston
New bus design now given testing
TfL urban realm designer scoops the Alan Cherry Award for Placemaking
More trams in evening between Wimbledon and New Addington
Over 1300 drivers arrested on unbooked minicabs over last year
Increased train frequencies in many London Overground lines
London Cycle Challenge back for 2011
Contract awarded to Birse Metro to complete London Overground's orbital railway
Cyclists concerns have been included in Blackfriars junction plan
A consultation is launched on exemptions to taxi and private hire vehicle age limits
Twenty five community grants have been offered to improve community cycling projects across London
Figures show large improvements in road safety for past 10 years
Transport for London (TfL), Cubic and the Association of Train Operating Companies partnership awarded Excellence in Technology and Innovation at the London Transport Awards for bringing Oyster onto the National Rail network in London.
Docklands Light Railway 3-car upgrade complete
Consultation on the Northern Line extension to Battersea begins
More major car companies sign up to offer discounts to customers affected by the Low Eimission Zone next year
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I have made another effort to Wikify the reference about the former Alvirne High School coach who was convicted of assault and sexual assault after he padded students for his own sexual gratification. I am not an expert Wikipedia editor so if my latest effort to Wikify this reference is not adequate then please provide me with a detailed explanation of why its is not adequate. Thank you. AnnaBennett (talk) 23:20, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Corporal punishment is still legal in the state of New Hampshire (but not in its public schools). See New Hampshire Criminal Code, Title LXII, "Section 627:6, Physical Force by Persons With Special Responsibilities. – I. A parent, guardian or other person responsible for the general care and welfare of a minor is justified in using force against such minor when and to the extent that he reasonably believes it necessary to prevent or punish such minor's misconduct".
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"WikiProject Report" would like to focus on WikiProject Schools for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Other editors will also have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 15:33, 3 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Mayor drives first New Bus for London off production line
London 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Games mascots join last leg of month-long Games themed walking relay
Northbound Blackwall Tunnel safety improvements completed more than a year early
October
Revamped service information boards make journeys easier for customers to plan
Transport for London leads the way with new Quantity Surveying apprenticeships
Dial-a-Ride offers new NVQ in Customer Service
Tube Lines sets green standard as double winner
More services on TfL's London Overground from December
New Tube Poems remember war dead and reflect on quest for peace
London Underground bridge between Ravenscourt Park and Hammersmith wins Small Civil Engineering Project category at the British Construction Industry Awards for its replacement in one weekend
Tramlink rewarded for helping restore Croydon
Oyster pay as you go to be extended to national rail stations between Liverpool Street and Hertford East
Transport for London acquires Tube Lines' bonds
Victoria Tube station escalator work completed three months early
Real-time bus information now available anytime and anywhere
Greenwich Pier gets roof and lighting in time for London 2012 Games
Final Jubilee line upgrade cost vindicates decision to end PPP says TfL
Half a million London employees now signed up for 2012 travel advice, TfL tells Assembly and borough leaders
Mayor secures Emirates Airline as private sponsor for pioneering new Thames crossing
Two thirds of bendy buses converted and major savings being made
150 million year old stone for new Green Park Tube station
London Overground upgrade named project of the year at Rail Awards
Guide dogs to be allowed to use moving escalators for the first time ever
250 London schools take part in London 2012 Olympic and Paralympic torch walking relay
September
Following a meeting at Acas today London Underground (LU) has received confirmation from the trade unions that they will be recommending acceptance of LU's four-year pay settlement
Safer Travel at Night: TfL warns of dangers of unbooked minicabs as new students arrive in London
Almost eighty per cent of passengers in favour of proposed changes. Removal of weekday Kensington (Olympia) service will allow five additional trains on Wimbledon branch during morning peak. New timetable will be introduced in December 2011.
Green wall for Edgware Road Tube station to trap harmful pollution
Operators urged to take action now to meet tougher London Low Emission Zone standards to improve air quality, or risk fines
Chart toppers Rizzle Kicks team up with TfL to help reduce teenage road casualties in London
New Docklands Light Railway extension an instant hit with passengers
New London 2012 Games travel 'hotspot' info to help businesses plan ahead and avoid transport disruption
Tour of Britain, the UK's biggest professional cycle race, returns to the Capital
Mayor confirms fares increase for 2012 to support unprecedented £12bn investment in London's transport network
LU reaches agreement with drivers' unions over Olympics and Paralympics working arrangements
Latest figures confirm trend of long-term improvements in Tube performance
New bus routes to serve Stratford and surrounding area
New online postcode data released by Transport for London (TfL) at the inaugural 2012 Freight Forum meeting will help firms plan and manage deliveries during Games-time
2011 Great River Race occurs
Mayor announces Olympic Park electric charging network, creating air quality legacy
North Acton station wins Underground in bloom gardening competition.
Businesses urged to plan for paralympics too.
Mayor of London and Transport for London act to save 812 PlusBus route
Transformation of Green Park station nears completion
Transport for London secures further improvements to coach parking
No more bendy buses on route 73
New Oyster system to help customers pay the correct fare
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You made an edit to an article with the summary companies are singular, so "its services", not "their services". While I agree, a company is generally a singular entity, British English tends to groups as plurals - for instance, you would say "Radiohead are a band...", not "Radiohead is a band...". It does depend on the circumstances a bit admittedly - I would agree with the phrasing "it [CrossCountry] was formed...", but would say that "CrossCountry recently extended their services..." would be the preferable phrasing, rather than "CrossCountry extended its services". -mattbuck (Talk) 18:03, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I do not think rock bands are analogous. A rock band is a group of individual persons, so the plural makes sense. A limited company is not a group of persons but a single legal entity in its own right. "CrossCountry extended their services" may be acceptable in casual speech, but it is wrong in the formal written style, which is what we use for writing an encyclopaedia. -- Alarics (talk) 18:18, 29 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Central line - earliest section
Leyton to Loughton opened as early as 1856, by the Eastern Counties Railway, according to London Railway Atlas, Ian Allan, 2009, and Colonel Michael Cobb's excellent The Railways of Great Britain: A Historical Atlas. best, Sunil060902 (talk) 20:50, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
A note explaining that would be needed, otherwise it seems to make no sense to the average reader. Could you not put the source in a footnote? -- Alarics (talk) 23:00, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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TfL has today announced details of a strategic review of traffic movements through the Kings Cross area
Motorcycles to be allowed permanent access to bus lanes
Around 85 of London's 700 bus routes will be changed in some way during the 2012 Games
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Major crackdown on dangerous pedicabs in central London
Emirates Air Line lands on iconic Tube map as first tower completed
Mayor heralds the arrival of the new bus for London
More local transport improvements for London Boroughs announced by Mayor
Mayor and DfT announce £10 million to cut pollution from Capital's bus fleet
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Overall Transport for London (TfL) fares to rise by 5.6 per cent in 2012
Lewis Hamilton toasts free travel on London transport to welcome in the New Year
Out-of-hours deliveries during London 2012 Games are viable, trials show
Real time digital bus information proves a hit with Londoners
As part of Transport for London's (TfL) commitment to the mental and physical health of its 27,000 employees, the organisation has signed the Time to Change Pledge
November
Dial-a-Ride vehicles trialling biodiesel
Business welcomes Games transport 'hot spot' information to ensure London is 'open for business' in 2012
Green wall unveiled at Edware Road station
TfL saves £250 million by purchasing two maintenace companies working on DLR
Routes 29 and N29 converted to bendy bus
Woolwich Ferry returns to normal
Lighting replacement work on Tower Bridge to LED lighting
Northern Line platforms reopen at Tottenham Court Road
Continued trend of Tube reliabilty as passenger numbers grow
Routes 12 and 436 convert from Bendy bus to double decker
Central line trains overhauled for the 2012 Games and beyond
Bus stop arrangements change around Victoria to make way for improvement works
Crime on London's transport network falls again
Statford bus station reopens
New Acts of Kindness artwork now on Tube seats and trains
London charges ahead with wireless electric vehicle technology
Mayor and TfL set out action to make London's streets safer for cyclists
TfL calls for taxi demo to be cancelled
London Transport Veterans to take part in the annual Remembrance Sunday parade
Plans for improvement to Bank station go on public display
Mayor drives first New Bus for London off production line
London 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Games mascots join last leg of month-long Games themed walking relay
Northbound Blackwall Tunnel safety improvements completed more than a year early
October
Revamped service information boards make journeys easier for customers to plan
Transport for London leads the way with new Quantity Surveying apprenticeships
Dial-a-Ride offers new NVQ in Customer Service
Tube Lines sets green standard as double winner
More services on TfL's London Overground from December
New Tube Poems remember war dead and reflect on quest for peace
London Underground bridge between Ravenscourt Park and Hammersmith wins Small Civil Engineering Project category at the British Construction Industry Awards for its replacement in one weekend
Tramlink rewarded for helping restore Croydon
Oyster pay as you go to be extended to national rail stations between Liverpool Street and Hertford East
Transport for London acquires Tube Lines' bonds
Victoria Tube station escalator work completed three months early
Real-time bus information now available anytime and anywhere
Greenwich Pier gets roof and lighting in time for London 2012 Games
Final Jubilee line upgrade cost vindicates decision to end PPP says TfL
Half a million London employees now signed up for 2012 travel advice, TfL tells Assembly and borough leaders
Mayor secures Emirates Airline as private sponsor for pioneering new Thames crossing
Two thirds of bendy buses converted and major savings being made
150 million year old stone for new Green Park Tube station
London Overground upgrade named project of the year at Rail Awards
Guide dogs to be allowed to use moving escalators for the first time ever
250 London schools take part in London 2012 Olympic and Paralympic torch walking relay
September
Following a meeting at Acas today London Underground (LU) has received confirmation from the trade unions that they will be recommending acceptance of LU's four-year pay settlement
Safer Travel at Night: TfL warns of dangers of unbooked minicabs as new students arrive in London
Almost eighty per cent of passengers in favour of proposed changes. Removal of weekday Kensington (Olympia) service will allow five additional trains on Wimbledon branch during morning peak. New timetable will be introduced in December 2011.
Green wall for Edgware Road Tube station to trap harmful pollution
Operators urged to take action now to meet tougher London Low Emission Zone standards to improve air quality, or risk fines
Chart toppers Rizzle Kicks team up with TfL to help reduce teenage road casualties in London
New Docklands Light Railway extension an instant hit with passengers
New London 2012 Games travel 'hotspot' info to help businesses plan ahead and avoid transport disruption
Tour of Britain, the UK's biggest professional cycle race, returns to the Capital
Mayor confirms fares increase for 2012 to support unprecedented £12bn investment in London's transport network
LU reaches agreement with drivers' unions over Olympics and Paralympics working arrangements
Latest figures confirm trend of long-term improvements in Tube performance
New bus routes to serve Stratford and surrounding area
New online postcode data released by Transport for London (TfL) at the inaugural 2012 Freight Forum meeting will help firms plan and manage deliveries during Games-time
2011 Great River Race occurs
Mayor announces Olympic Park electric charging network, creating air quality legacy
North Acton station wins Underground in bloom gardening competition.
Businesses urged to plan for paralympics too.
Mayor of London and Transport for London act to save 812 PlusBus route
Transformation of Green Park station nears completion
Transport for London secures further improvements to coach parking
No more bendy buses on route 73
New Oyster system to help customers pay the correct fare
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TfL-funded police officers continue to reduce Blackwall Tunnel delays for drivers
Mayor of London helps 71 schools get pupils cycling
Mayor announces innovative bus technology set to deliver cleaner air across London
Olympic Taxi fare increase rejected by TfL
TfL reveals design for transformed Euston Circus junction
January
Tube performance on track for a successful Games
Major campaign launched to help people 'Get Ahead of the Games' and keep London and the UK moving in 2012
DLR launches a new three-car route and enhanced timetable to meet Games-time demand
Changes to travel around Paddington Station due to Crossrail works
Avoiding congestion made easier with new Transport for London live traffic news
London Overground passenger satisfaction soars following investment in capacity, trains and stations
Mayor welcomes green light for scheme to charge companies for disruptive roadworks
Mayor welcomes 200th greener, cleaner hybrid bus to London's fleet
New docking station for cycle hire in the heart of Westminster gets planning permission
Pedestrian Countdown technology to be rolled out across London from summer 2012
One in five people bought cycle equipment as a result of Barclays Cycle Hire
New cleaning contract of bus stations and stands to reduce CO2 emissions and cleaner air
Hammersmith flyover reopens to cars and light traffic as repairs continue
Free London 2012 support package for freight operators and their customers
Cycle safety improvements proposed around Bow
All drivers are urged to switch off their engines when parked, loading or waiting at the roadside
More reliable Tube carries record-breaking numbers
Mayor hails new measures in 2012 to deliver cleaner air for London
December
Hammersmith Flyover closed due to structural defect found
Edgware Road signal improvements delivered early, paving way for longer, accessible, air-con trains
Mayor announces trial to cut harmful pollution at industrial and construction sites across London
Interim operator for Putney to Blackfriars River Bus service
TfL has today announced details of a strategic review of traffic movements through the Kings Cross area
Motorcycles to be allowed permanent access to bus lanes
Around 85 of London's 700 bus routes will be changed in some way during the 2012 Games
TfL ramps up safety efforts on London Tramlink
Major crackdown on dangerous pedicabs in central London
Emirates Air Line lands on iconic Tube map as first tower completed
Mayor heralds the arrival of the new bus for London
More local transport improvements for London Boroughs announced by Mayor
Mayor and DfT announce £10 million to cut pollution from Capital's bus fleet
Mayor hails successful bid to make more London Overground stations step free
Vibrant London life captured in Yayoi Kusama's new artwork for the Pocket Tube Map
Additional peak trains for the 200,000 Wimbledon branch passengers each day will bring fewer delays and extra capacity
Overall Transport for London (TfL) fares to rise by 5.6 per cent in 2012
Lewis Hamilton toasts free travel on London transport to welcome in the New Year
Out-of-hours deliveries during London 2012 Games are viable, trials show
Real time digital bus information proves a hit with Londoners
As part of Transport for London's (TfL) commitment to the mental and physical health of its 27,000 employees, the organisation has signed the Time to Change Pledge
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I just hope this year round I can make the newsletters roughly within the first week of every month. If you ever feel you want to have a try, please feel free to drop me a line on my talk page.
I agree with your comments on the WPSchools page. There has been a whole spate of school articles up for deletion recently, often on the flimsiest of nominations. I note that you've added a comment on the Edgeborough School AfD page. It's entirely up to you but if you want your comment to count you should also add a vote in the usual formatting style, though I understand that decisions are made not on a tally of votes but more on policy issues. Dahliarose (talk) 16:05, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your remarks on civility, and I agree with your comment I never understand why some people seem so keen to delete stuff that is not doing any harm. Yes, we have legalistic links to various WikiPedia policies, hair-splitting claims, when the whole AfD was not justified anyway. There are junk articles, but not nearly as many as some people need to pursue. --DThomsen8 (talk) 14:06, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You reverted my revert on the West of England Main Line article, which could easily spiral off to an edit war. Wikipedia's policy says that "users who participate in edit wars risk being blocked or even banned". So don't revert my reverts. Either add sources or the template [citation needed]. Pdiddyjr (talk) 19:13, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
So, you introduce an unsourced claim into an article and then expect somebody else to find a source for it? I suggest you learn a little more about how Wikipedia works before you start throwing your weight around. You might like to start by reading Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners. -- Alarics (talk) 19:32, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No. Seriously. They are using spare carriages for class 458s or class 460s, not the class 460 carriages already in use. The class 460s are operating as a separate project. I told you that you'd have problems with the other users on Wikipedia! Pdiddyjr (talk) 14:24, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Where is your evidence for that? I have explained on your talk page what is being done. I have carefully cited sources in the piece I added to the article, explaining on the article's talk page the detailed arithmetic that shows the class 460s cannot be a separate project, a fact which is also very clear from Ian Walmsley's article in February's Modern Railways. I suggest you go to the library and read it. What contrary sources do you have? And what do you mean by "the class 460 carriages already in use"? As far as I am aware, they are all currently in store. -- Alarics (talk) 16:20, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
London's utility bosses agree action plan for less disruptive roadworks
Tube set to post most reliable performance figures for a decade
Spiderweb reduces theft on London transport by 14 per cent
February
Contractors shortlisted to save tens of millions of pounds through new joint highway works
Read it and bin it, newspapers can cause Tube delays
Crime continues to fall on London's bus network
First passengers jump aboard the new bus for London
Mayor brings London's rail industry together to get set for the London 2012 Games
Freight operators and their customers urged to prepare for London 2012 Games with launch of new campaign
Crystal Palace improvement work to begin
New online process announced for London Service Permits
Mayor steps up HGV safety campaign to benefit cyclists and pedestrians
New card to make travel easier for people with hidden disabilities
Art on the Underground launches Canary Wharf Screen at Tube station
Cycling grants to help communities ride to the 2012 Games
Blackfriars Underground station reopens to cater for influx of passengers
Work begins to cool the platforms at two major central London stations
War on fare dodgers increases as penalty charges go up this weekend
Less than one month to go until Barclays Cycle Hire goes east
Changes to travel around Paddington Station due to Crossrail works
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London Tramlink upgrade continues
TfL confirms priority junctions for cycle safety review
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(Copied from Iloveandrea's talk page): Have you read the comments below the Tablet article? It is quite clear that there was no anti-Jewish admissions policy at Eton. I have removed your sentence again from the Eton article. Please don't put it back without discussion. As for the other stuff, I have left it there for now, but it is hardly surprising if there was anti-semitism in mediaeval times and the 18th century at Eton, as everywhere else in England at the time, and more recently without doubt amongst the English aristocracy, who always made up so many of Eton's students. That is quite a different thing from saying there was an official policy to ban Jewish boys from attending, which is plainly not true. -- Alarics (talk) 20:12, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The article claims that there was an imperfect, semi-official exclusionary policy via a condition on the pupil's father (I guess the same condition placed on the mother, while 'better', would have been too obvious; I'm assuming they assumed there were very low rates of Jewish intermarriage, so a condition on the father was good enough). I've no idea if this unofficial policy ever actually existed; I've Googled about and am limply trailing through various histories to attempt confirmation, but nothing so far. One of the other additions I made to the article (if it's still there) is complete nonsense, again for reasons of irritation: the "illiterate Jew of Eton" bit—no attribution is provided by the source for the statement, so it's an antisemitic description that's perhaps got nothing to do with Eton itself (not unless "the illiterate Jew" was how Rous was generally known at the place, though the "of Eton" part makes me doubt it). The Apocalypse: ditto to what you said—just a piece of trivia, really. Partially more seriously, I will start, though I may well not be tossed enough to finish, the briefest of synopses of Eton and minority groups. Regards and ♥ ~ Iloveandrea (talk) 20:47, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I must say I don't understand why you put the sentence back in if you "have no idea if this unofficial policy ever actually existed". I had already pointed out on the article's talk page two fairly plausible-looking comments underneath the Tablet article that said it didn't, but you still put the sentence back in. And now you say that one of the other additions you made to the article is, in your own words, "complete nonsense". I shall delete the whole section, and I am henceforth disinclined to take any of your WP edits seriously. -- Alarics (talk) 22:00, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
A bit of mud-slinging on Wikipedia at such a ghastly institution, the pre-eminent bastion of power and privilege? It's all good from my point of view; I will sleep soundly tonight. I added the article back just to irritate, just as I put in the "illiterate Jew of Eton" to irritate—irritate anyone who loves the god-awful place, that is. Someone like you, it seems! My other Wikipedia edits are usually less frivolous. Anyway! So long! ~ Iloveandrea (talk) 22:53, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I hold no brief whatever for Eton College, but my personal opinion is not relevant to maintaining a good encyclopaedia article about it, and neither should yours be. -- Alarics (talk) 06:53, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
See the Eton talk page. I've put a link to Amazon that will enable you to read the relevant pages of the book, pp. 270–1, for yourself. And the Tablet article was clearly OK along, though it is now superfluous; an obvious possibility is that the Tablet journalist has read the same Ayer biography. Quite why you are so desperate to minimise and, where possible, eliminate all mention of antisemitism at Eton is a question to which only you know the answer. People tend to underestimate their own level of prejudice—maybe something to think about... ~ Iloveandrea (talk) 15:14, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
_You_ see the Eton talk page. I have already said there that your Amazon link to the specific page doesn't work. I have always hated anti-semitism and your insinuation is disgraceful. I am not trying to "minimise or eliminate" anything except your disruptive editing. I am just trying to get the article right so that it is fair and neutral according to Wikipedia rules, something you obviously don't care about. -- Alarics (talk) 15:27, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Alarics, just in the spirit of fun, since the edits are not harmful (no defamation or personal attacks whatsoever) mind letting the edits linger around for about a day for April Fools? Greatly appreciated and thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.255.1.137 (talk) 22:51, 31 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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thanks for your message, i don't think one can adjust date format. one major benefit is that it adds the syntax e.g. accessdate=|date=, it also saves a lot of editing time by bringing up all the date info and titles automatically. it doesn't change any existing dates in the article. it does add cite news on a second use of reflinks. Tom B (talk) 12:09, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Emergency gas works cause temporary diversion of route 50
From Tuesday 8 May some long term, but temporary, changes will be made to local traffic arrangements in the North Woolwich area to enable Crossrail works to take place, some lasting 18 months
April
TfL's High Court injunction prevents Addison Lee from instructing its drivers to use bus lanes
Shortlisted bidders for the Bank Station Capacity Upgrade project announced
Londoners urged to plan ahead for Games-time travel as full and final Tube and rail 'hotspot' data released
Private hire vehicle drivers could be liable to personal criminal prosecution if they break traffic regulations, including by driving in bus lanes
New strengthening cables installed within Hammersmith Flyover
New entrance to West Croydon station provides better access for all
All the world's poets on the Tube
Major resurfacing works to take place along Victoria Embankment across Easter Bank Holiday weekend
Temporary changes to bus services during London 2012 Games test event in Woolwich.
Capital's rogue limousines targeted
Out-of-hours deliveries to be encouraged during London 2012 Olympic and Paralympic Games
MUMS-to-be travelling by Tube can get a baby on board badge so passengers know they may need to sit down
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First stations named for London Underground WiFi launch
May
Transport for London welcomes RMT acceptance of Olympics recognition proposals
Crime on London's transport network at eight year low
London 2012 Games first: TfL officials to provide live travel advice to businesses on Twitter
London Underground showcases proposals to boost Bank's capacity
TfL launches London 2012 Games 'Temporary Road Changes' planning tool and urges road users to plan ahead
Daily weekday River Bus services to treble between Putney and Blackfriars
Staff recognised at Dial-a-Ride Awards 2012
Medically trained BTP officers deployed on the Tube
New Oyster online accounts help customers keep track of their travel
Olympic legends compete to be the fastest to cross London
Tracey Emin unveils personal version of the Tube Map
Wembley Central becomes the 65th step-free Tube station
Vital investment and reliability programme result in record year of Tube performance
Emirates Air Line flying high as all 34 cabins undergo rigorous safety testing
Hammersmith Flyover to fully reopen to traffic on 30 May
TfL issues travel advice to enable London to celebrate The Queen's Diamond Jubilee
Buses diversions in Bromley town centre for Diamond Jubilee celebrations
Transport for London (TfL) and Network Rail are encouraging those travelling during Games-time to make short journeys on foot as Living Streets' Walk to Work Week launches
Who is Community? - a new artwork by Bob and Roberta Smith and Tim Newton running from 15 May 2012 through 2013 on display at Stratford station
Transport for London (TfL), the Association of Train Operating Companies (ATOC) and Cubic Transportation Systems have picked up top honours at the 2012 International Transport Forum for their joint work on introducing Oyster onto the National Rail network in London
Emergency gas works cause temporary diversion of route 50
From Tuesday 8 May some long term, but temporary, changes will be made to local traffic arrangements in the North Woolwich area to enable Crossrail works to take place, some lasting 18 months
Within the project, discussions included how two project articles appeared on TFA in quick succession, a RfC on inclusion of particular viewpoint on future lengthening of certain trainsets on British Rail Class 458 and assessment of London Underground's electric locomotives
Within other related projects, relevant discussions included were on the expansion and promotion of Herne Hill railway station, the existence of the Sutton Loop, Midland Main Line vs Gret Central Main Line and WikiProject London in Signpost
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Well, well. Look at the front page today. Top of ITN is the Shard being named as the tallest building in Europe. Who could have foreseen that? Oh, me, before your incorrect reversion of my edit to the Shard article on the 26th February. Thanks for that. danno_uk21:53, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Only for a few months, as the Mercury City Tower in Moscow that is nearly finished will be taller. The Shard's is therefore a very temporary accolade. On the other hand, the Shard will remain for some time the tallest building in the EU, as correctly stated in the text that I restored after your reversion. -- Alarics (talk) 05:10, 7 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Within the project, discussions included how two project articles appeared on TFA in quick succession, a RfC on inclusion of particular viewpoint on future lengthening of certain trainsets on British Rail Class 458,assessment of London Underground's electric locomotives and the Hammersmith & City line navbox
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Hi. You have been involved in editing MoBT in the last few weeks. There is a vote going on about what to do with the ERTMS section. If you wish to cast an opinion, the vote runs until Monday. Steve Hosgood (talk) 16:05, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Welcome to Wikipedia. At least one of your recent edits did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at the welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make some test edits, please use the sandbox for that. Thank you.--John (talk) 10:06, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"Welcome to Wikipedia"? I have been here for over three years! I am quite familiar with the policies and guidelines, as must be obvious from a glance at my edit record. It was your own edit that was not constructive. You deleted material that was perfectly reasonable and properly sourced. I merely reverted your unconstructive edit. -- Alarics (talk) 10:35, 11 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Within the project, discussions included links to London Underground usage data figures not working, Herne Hill station appearing on the main page and Docklands Light Railway usage now being available
Within other related projects, relevant discussions included were on the Olympics, notability of railway magzines, various railway templates, waterways become active routes on Google Maps, bus station categories and notability of a bus type and a bus builder.
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Greetings Alarics. Thank you for your edits. I seem to recall after a previous occasion some months back I researched the available WP MOS and guidelines and I was not able to location anything in the WP:MOS, WP:CITEHOW or WP:CITET that was explicitly supportive of the position for reducing extant accurate information in citations. Would you be able to share the basis on which you would like to see such[2] changes[3] made? —Sladen (talk) 14:55, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It is not really a question of "reducing extant information" because the name of the publisher simply is not normally included when citing well-established newspapers, either in Wikipedia or elsewhere. Papers like the Sunderland Echo, the Huddersfield Daily Examiner and The Journal (Newcastle) are not "small-time local papers" as you called them but very long-established daily organs, each of which dominates its area. The publishers can change as different conglomerates buy and sell them over the years (Trinity Mirror did not even exist as the owner of local newspapers until the 1990s and has already since then sold some of the titles it acquired on to other media groups). Conversely, the title and the city of publication are typically constant over many decades. To distinguish such a paper from any other with a similar name, it is the city of publication that is key, not the name of the publisher, and that is the standard practice (obviously not necessary when the city name is included in the newspaper title).
For instance, the Sunderland Echo has existed since 1873. Its present owner, Johnston Press, has owned it only since 1999.
Likewise The Press (York) was founded (as the Yorkshire Evening Press) in 1882. It has belonged to Newsquest only since 1996.
WP:CITEHOW#Newspaper_articles does not mention the publisher in its list of the items that citations of newspapers articles typically include.
Template:Cite_news#Publisher says that the "publisher" parameter is normally left blank for periodicals. This text used to explain - or maybe this is explained somewhere else in WP - that "publisher" is useful only in the case of obscure or transient (or perhaps long-dead) publications where there might otherwise be doubt as to which publication is meant. -- Alarics (talk) 13:11, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your reply. The exemplar minimum given in WP:CITEHOW#Newspaper articles does not appear to be required maximum. If the example were a required maximum, we'd all be hurrying around deleting url=, accessdate=, format= and numerous other parameters. Template:Cite news#Publisher states normally, but again, that is not not appear to be a limit. If it were a requirement, we could easily enforce it in the template (ignore or not display the publisher= parameter, or even ERROR on it).
I'm at ease with an editor not wishing to add lots of parameters such as first=, last=, authorlink=, …= and the aforementioned publisher= when entering their own citations; it doesn't look good, but it's up to them and how much time they might wish to spend formatting their citations.
AFAICT, I've hunted, you've hunted, and neither of us has come up with anything requiring the deleting of such parameters, (bar some possibly obscure/transient/long-dead memory of a sentence somewhere that neither us can source right now). If publisher= were disallowed, we have better ways of doing that: by (a) having a WP:MOS or guideline, (b) implementing the templates to enforce the WP:MOS guideline, and (c) throwing bot tasks at it to enforce the requirement. Please let me know if you find something. —Sladen (talk) 15:21, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This was not agreed, but the discussion may be of some relevance.
Meanwhile, we cannot speak of a "requirement" not to use the "publisher" parameter where it is superfluous, as in the case of the Huddersfield Examiner and so on, but the guidelines should (in my view) strongly recommend this. I believe they used to do. The fact that a parameter exists does not mean that it is desirable to use it if not otherwise stated. It simply is not normal, in the real world, to mention the publisher in an ordinary mainstream news citation, and it looks very odd. What is normal is to mention the city of publication, where not already included in the title of the organ. This is nearly always the only disambiguation needed.
I would point out that WP:CITEHOW -- referring to references with or without the use of templates -- gives the information that is "typically" included in a reference, and notes that "other details may be added as necessary", which to me means that they should not be added when they are not necessary, as in the case in point. -- Alarics (talk) 18:30, 11 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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I have asked a question which you should probably be aware of. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Scallywag_(magazine)#Recent_news_coverage I don't know whether or not it is good WP practice for you to answer that question before the Article's main contributors have had a chance to do so. I am just making you aware that it has been asked.
I hope not to confine my WP activities to this single issue, by the way. The interest which brought me to the Talk pages is the need to protect anybody whose purpose is to keep a historical record. I felt that the issue which you found me discussing last week is an important test of that, hence that is where I have started on WP. I shall move on.Alrewas (talk) 00:54, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I trust that the brief and general manner in which I have logged this matter on my Talk page meets with your general approval. Being new here, I have found your advice conducive to my awareness of WP Policies and where to find them. Have moved on to less contentious issues.Alrewas (talk) 19:44, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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Customer satisfaction high as Emirates Air Line carries two million passengers
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Thanks for showing me the cite news template but how do you know about the author as it's never shown on the news page/link. D Eaketts (talk) 07:54, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Some news items have no author. In that case just leave the "author" parameter blank. Many others do give an author or authors (such as this one, where the author is Rory Carroll), in which case it is preferable, though not absolutely essential, to include the name(s) in the reference. Sometimes there is no author but a wire agency is credited, such as Reuters or Associated Press, and in that case it is desirable, though not absolutely essential, to include the name of the agency in the "agency" parameter. However, none of this is as important as including the name of the publication, the title of the article and the date of publication. Many thanks -- Alarics (talk) 08:12, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Here is the 50th edition. I can only apologise this is so late as a lot of work came up but it is still no excuse so again I will apologise. Inside includes everything since the last edition as usual. Enjoy. Simply south......fighting ovens for just 7 years23:02, 6 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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"To make the punishment harder, some schools make the student just sit there and wait for it to be over. Other schools will let the student do homework, or make them tidy up an area. Some students are forced to change their school uniform to their gym uniform and over and over again. Students are also caned at times."69.248.98.23 (talk) 15:23, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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I will also happily accept requests for the gallery (if not, images will be selected from archives elsewhere). Again I will also remind people that if they ever want to try doing a future month's issue, feel free to with your own style etc or even just stick to the current format. Don't hesitate to contact me for the resources of things to include in this newsletter. Otherwise, enjoy! Simply south......cooking letters for just 7 years01:05, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Return of someone who shares some of your interests
Morning Alarics. It would appear that an indefinitely blocked editor who shares some of your interests, made a day-long return to Wikipedia as an unregistered user in order to update his userpage and also make slightly more than a dozen edits on topics related to one of those interests. If you have a little spare time, you may wish to look over some of his contributions from that day and revert anything problematic that's not already been fixed.
I don't particularly expect that IP to be used for block evasion in this way again, but if it is and it presents ongoing problems, one could mention it to the blocking administrator or to any of the several other administrators who declined the various unblock requests. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:53, 21 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Describing a company as "they" rather than "it" is alright in colloquial speech, but not in the formal written language that we use in an encyclopaedia. Even more unacceptable is calling it "it" in one paragraph and "they" in the next, within the same article. -- Alarics (talk) 11:34, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Intersting. I've found the word "they" in band articles, and when I've changed this to "it", the change has sometimes been reverted. Do you think there is an exception for bands, which are, in effect, organizations too ? Acabashi (talk) 09:28, 1 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. I've seen your edit summary (1 December) for this article: "Also: "publisher" should be the name of the company or organisation, not its web domain" - this is interesting - I've been tending to add .org.uk to Genuki in articles, particularly in Ext links. Can you point me to the guideline that mentions not adding the web domain - looks like I might have a huge job adjusting this in articles :) Acabashi (talk) 09:41, 1 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, see Template:Cite web under "publisher", and all the examples given there. Also, in WP:CIT#Examples, likewise the first example given under "cite web" shows "publisher= Goddard Institute for Space Studies", not "publisher= data.giss.nasa.gov", and similarly with all the other examples I can find, including for "cite press release" (further down the same page). (In the case of "cite news", where "publisher" is usually redundant, it is "work" or "newspaper" that needs to be the actual name and not the web domain.) I think the reader needs to know who the actual publisher or publication is. Readers who do want to know the web domain for some reason can always hover over the URL and see it.
Note however that there are some exceptions where the web domain actually is what the website calls itself, for example: http://www.rail.co.uk/ .
Unfortunately there is a bot (Reflinks, I think) which goes around filling out incomplete references automatically and uses the web domain information to populate the "publisher" field. I'm sure this is the only reason why this unhelpful phenomenon has become so common. -- Alarics (talk) 20:20, 1 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Please feel free to suggest any changes or add any requests such as images for the gallery. If you also want to have a try for the new year's edition or any future editions, please do not hesitate to ask. Simply south......cooking letters for just 7 years21:39, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi Alarics, just thought it amusing that you require a citation for this - I am the source, as it was done to me for not being able to remember the house masters and colours of all the houses! Still smarts! I understand this is one of those weird WP things - they don't allow personal reminiscences, and yet they don't require anonymous contributors to identify themselves! Go figure! Not worth contesting this - we'll all just follow the rules, illogical as they are! Regards, Jpaulm (talk) 01:49, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Jpaulm, it's because the source has to be independently verifiable by other editors and readers, which personal reminiscences clearly are not. -- Alarics (talk) 08:00, 21 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Alarics. Thanks for your message a week ago, on 19 December 2013, regarding news sources for this. Apologies for not replying sooner, but I got sidetracked by a few other things in the run-up to Christmas. When "Ghmyrtle" removed content from the Daily Express alleging that there had been police intimidation, I accepted and understood the reason why the content was removed. I have since read more about reliable sources and understand that tabloid newspapers such as the Daily Express and the Daily Mail are not ideal news sources, particularly for contentious content and controversial claims.
Another editor "Codeusirae" put the content back again, which has since been removed. If I make any further edits to the article on the Elm Guest House child abuse scandal, I will not include any further content from newspapers such as the Daily Express. I will include content from sources such as The Guardian, The Independent and The Daily Telegraph.
I understand that as Wikipedians we have to go by what reliable sources state. On Wikipedia we obviously don't give our own personal opinions, but with regard to the allegations at Elm Guest House, I have a neutral and balanced point of view at the present time until there are further investigations. I simply don't know at this stage whether in the future it is going to be regarded as a more serious political scandal than the Profumo Affair. I don't know whether there was previously a cover-up of allegations by authorities or whether the claims of politicians abusing children are unsubstantiated allegations. We will have to wait for further developments and investigations.
However, it was disturbing to watch a Channel 4 news report in September this year alleging that former Liberal MP Cyril Smith had abused children for decades and that opportunities to stop the abuse had been missed. The Crown Prosecution Service have admitted that Smith should have been charged with crimes during his lifetime. He is reported to have been a regular visitor to Elm Guest House, but we don't know at this stage whether he may have abused children there.
For anybody reading this who may be interested, the 8 minute Channel 4 news report is currently available to watch at the link below:
Thanks for your kind comment on my talk page. That's why I no longer edit - I was always getting blocked. But looking at the article I realized that the clever way of getting the agenda across is to be more subtle; remove any facts or links that put across his defence side or his "achievements" like that awful Sunday Times quote and links to his own book showing cuttings from papers and add opinions from the police and others condemning him. But I still won't edit (Dave just got blocked again) I'll leave it to you and the others. Sorry for drawing attention to your work. Erase this after reading.Pedohater (talk) 08:18, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It's fairly obvious from this and from the post on the article talk page that this user is in fact opposing the recent expansion on tlhe conviction, rather than applauding it. I strongly suspect editing on behalf of the subject: WP:COIDeCausa (talk) 08:46, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
DeCausa, I am increasingly confused by all this -- who is "this user" whom you accuse of COI? If you mean "Pedohater", I have quite the opposite impression, though his/her comment above makes no sense to me. If you mean me, my rather small involvement in all this has been on behalf of a neutral and objective presentation of the facts, including the fact that some respectable commentators thought King was treated overharshly. -- Alarics (talk) 09:48, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I should have been clearer: I mean "Pedohater". IMHO, Pedohate's 2nd post on the article talk page and the above post attempts to attack the addition of material about the conviction by appearing to be in favour of it while sowing oblique hints of criticism. E.g: In the article post he complimented it for being "like a Daily Mail article". In the above post, he purports to be happy that "facts" (i.e. not "lies") supporting King's side have been removed. This is not the way someone claiming the POV he is claiming would write. I think the original postings thanking sevejral editors for joining "the crusade" was intended to make those editors think that their edits weren't NPOV. In your case, I think he's just made a mistake: as you say, you haven't made any additions to the conviction material. Btw, I've added back text about King's supporters, which I hope deals with your concern on that. Finally, I think Pedohater is linked to the subject and has a COI, inter alia because I detect (reading between the lines) real annoyance that, in his opinion, text about King's recent boks and films has been removed. I really don't think anyone but the subject would care that much. Hope th at clarifies: I certainly wasn't saying anything about you. DeCausa (talk) 13:42, 28 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Copy of my points on the Talk Page. I see there have been other sock puppets at the article!
I had no idea it would be such a minefield trying to edit an article. I'd not tried before and only fiddled with details although even then my edits were reverted. I won't bother again. To answer the editor who considers me a sock puppet, lovely words, just let me repeat why I made some of the small changes to the lead (thank heavens I didn't waste time doing more). I thought his first hit sold in several countries but will bow to your research that it only sold in two countries though even there I can't quite see why it needs saying. I assume all other wiki entries on other singers specify similar. I find "string" of releases and "novelty" records odd words to use in a factual encyclopedia but bow to superior literacy. I assume the 4 hits "in the 70s" avoid his productions or those which don't feature his vocals although, again, I can't work out why the 70s are specifically singled out unless it's to remove his 60s and 80s productions and cant see why it deserves mention anyway. Basic research shows he discovered Genesis and produced them independently long before placing them with Decca or even leaving university. Why he is described as "working for" companies he didn't work for and those companies that released his other independent releases are ignored I cannot understand. It's not even negative to him. It's just wrong. I would have thought any editor with a Book of Hit Singles could have verified that, or is that not online? I bow to superior editing experience that 10cc were far more significant than his Rocky Horror Show or other acts. I believed Wikipedia was meant to state facts and not opinions on quality or significance. He never presented Top of the Pops as far as I remember but was on every month doing a US chart rundown but I certainly won't be checking my old music magazines to find proof. And I quite understand that his Old Bailey convictions are a far better story than his acquittal and as such deserve mention in the lead if wikipedia is meant to be a tabloid site. As for further details lower down the article, I wont bother reading or checking as my changes - even if sources detailed and provided - would be bulk reverted by editors wanting a more accurate article. I'm sorry, I just dont have time to bother scanning magazine pages into e mail. I apologize if my edits are similar to anyone else's but I'm nobody's sock puppet and wouldnt dream of accusing any other editor of being one either although that appears to be the default position. As I leave I would suggest any editor genuinely wanting an accurate article gets his autobiography and finds confirmation or proof of lying for any significant facts, as I would suggest they should do for any person warranting an article on Wikipedia, if they really want to contribute properly. Finally might I politely comment that certain editors might think about developing good manners and not bulk erasing changes, made in good faith, or chucking accusations of vandalism about? People in glass houses...LudoVicar (talk) 07:14, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
LudoVicar: I am not clear why you have pasted all the above on to my talk page. My involvement with the JK article has been minor -- e.g. I found a reliable source for his graduation year, and I reinstated mention of his TV and radio roles in the opening sentence as it seemed to me an important part of his career. I think I also reverted some changes made by another editor with an obvious POV against JK, in order to restore a semblance of neutrality. I have not been concerned with most of the details you are complaining about. -- Alarics (talk) 08:06, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry I just copied and pasted it to editors who seemed involved. I didn't know who did what, just that all my corrections were reverted by editors and felt they should take another look at why I'd made them as it was implied I was doing it on behalf of others.LudoVicar (talk) 08:24, 18 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It is good to see someone else preferring the "|author= " field and skipping the first and last name fields. The Harvard style is so archaic. I also prefer "|education= " to the use of alma mater. I hate when Latin is used to make something sound more important. Up until recently we had to have a link for the alma mater field in infoboxes so people could figure out what it meant. I always prefer simplicity. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 01:38, 15 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Your recent editing history at Emma Kenny shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.
You might have looked into this case in more detail before leaving an automated message which in this case is entirely inappropriate. It is not I who am involved edit warring. I have explained to the other editor (in my edit summaries AND on his own talk page) what he needed to do to meet Wikipedia' rules for biographies of living persons, but he just keeps reverting back to his unsustainable position. It's not just me. Several other editors have attempted to put the article right. -- Alarics (talk) 23:11, 17 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm with Alarics here. Not only did Alarics make two reverts - not three (or even the four which would trigger 3RR) - but both were valid reverts within WP:NOT3RR because of the BLP and sourcing issues. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:19, 17 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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