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Qui and HAU

(Re [1]) Yeah, I'm going to try out Qui as soon as I get off work. Assuming it works as well as advertised (and isn't too complex), I'll put two and two together and HAU should have real-time status again. Useight (talk) 23:54, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, um, wow. I took a look a Qui and it's actually quite great. It just updates the contents of USERNAME/Status, which is perfect. Had HAU still been using the design I gave it, I would've just set it up myself, but looking at the code at Wikipedia:Highly Active Users/User, a monster has been created. I couldn't figure out how to get the status column working. Is that something you can put into the template? Maybe Cobi? Anyway, if either of you can make the change in the template to have it display the contents of USERNAME/Status, I can message everyone and let them know that Qui is the future of HAU. Useight (talk) 06:03, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
My replies here.

SarekOfVulcan RFA

Thank you for !voting on my RfA. If you supported, I'll make sure your confidence is not misplaced; if you opposed, I'll take your criticism into account and try to adjust my behavior accordingly.

See you around the wiki!--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 00:39, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

  • Thanks to the miracle of time travel, I replied in the past, here.
    • Yup, saw that. I found the dashboard in the New Admin School, and plan to use it well. :-) Thanks for the sig recommendation: I didn't realize that I wasn't including it properly.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 00:48, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
No problem! Happy admininiming. –xenocidic (talk) 00:54, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

StatusBot

Hi Xeno, saw this edit. Is there anything I *need* to do? The only reason I'd added Statusbot was because I joined the highly active users project but I've never actually been contacted through that. Is there any other benefit to having on/off line status that I'm missing? It wasn't anything I thought of before the project. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 02:54, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Hrm, nope, nothing really that you *need* to do at this time. HAU hasn't set in stone an alternate status display method. The edit summary was just a suggestion on an alternate status method for those that want one. –xenocidic (talk) 02:56, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Got it, thanks. I swear you're my official "explain things to me in English" Wiki translator. Love it, make things so much clearer. PS: Don't know anything about TVs, do you? ;) TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 03:19, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Heh, no problem! I'll have to make a userbox for that ;> hrm, a bit, what need you? =) –xenocidic (talk) 03:21, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Half kidding ;) Thanks though My brain exploded shopping for a television this evening but I found my answer (and a ~$100 price difference) on Sears.com so I think I'm OK now. Pretty soon they're going to invent TVs that get up and walk. I don't like electronics. I just want my ca. 1996 TV/VCR combo :) TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 03:43, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
That Qui status thing isn't compatible with Internet Explorer, guess I'll be left out on this one. Useight (talk) 03:47, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Yea, IE is a load of junk =) but I know some people are stuck with it. Hersfold has a status thinger that will work with IE, i think - User:Hersfold/StatusTemplate. to cari, yea, i had a hard time but did find a new HDTV last boxing day =) –xenocidic (talk) 04:02, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Think I'm getting...LCD...Oh crap. I can speak computer specs but not TV ones. It fits my essential criteria which was: power button ;) I;m not really that much of a luddite but for as little as I watch TV, I don't need bells and whistles. Re: IE -- when I moved work stations at the office the only software customization I requested was Firefox. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 04:06, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

← Yeah, LCD is pretty much the way to go. Just make sure you're getting a minimum of 720p, preferrably 1080i, or if you're rich, 1080p. ;> –xenocidic (talk) 04:08, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Bought my first TV back in November 2006. Of course, it'll be obsolete when it goes to digital in January 2009. All the analog TVs will need a conversion box to work. Enigma message 05:28, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Haha, I have a 61 inch, 1080p. Useight (talk) 07:08, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

← 61 inch 1080p! color me jealous! i know the feeling enigma, I've got this 32" standard def sitting here on the floor, unused because wifey won't let me setup two TVs side-by-side. –xenocidic (talk) 13:31, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

(Unindent, colon farm) Enigman, does that mean my old TV won't work at all? It currently runs on digital cable and I think the letter we got from the cable company said it will be OK? Did I misunderstand that? If I don't keep my crrent one, the one I'm looking at is this. USeight, I don't think my wardrobe, on which this will live, is 61 inches! TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 15:15, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Your TV should work after the February 2009 switch as long as you some input aside from the bunny ears. If you have Dish 500, DirectTV, etc, you'll be fine. I believe it's just the analog channels coming in over the bunny ears that will cease transmission. Useight (talk) 05:16, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, I like the sound of that. Cheaper on my end :) TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 17:01, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

User:Xenocidic/RFA#RFA_Participation

(Re [2]) Glad you liked my idea. Wow, you support a lot. You must not jump in on many of the snowed RFAs. Useight (talk) 05:12, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
Ô.O Was I honestly your second participation? Wow! weburiedoursecretsinthepark 17:17, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
heh, yep - looks like it!... i really didn't start participating in RFA until after I nominated Thingg for adminship. –xenocidic (talk) 17:22, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

User:FoamRanger page Deleted

I was referred here after my user page was deleted. I took a nap and it was speedy deleted. I was referred to you in hopes of getting my work back so in the least if my appeal doesn't work I can start in another wiki.

Thank you either way, FoamRanger (talk) 16:49, 1 July 2008 (UTC)FoamRanger

My reply here.

Thankyou

Got it. Saved it. May get the chance to continue the project here. Your help is much appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FoamRanger (talk • contribs) 16:58, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

My replies here & here.

AIV

(Re [3]) Cheers for that! I wasn't 100% sure if I signed as normal or not, so I left that message and hoped an admin would take pity on me :-) Best, Mark t young (talk) 18:17, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Bart Versieck AGAIN

I don't know if it's consequential enough to take any action, but I thought I'd point out that, yet again, Bart has broken his promise not to touch other people's talk page edits (see my comments left on LessHard vanU's page) Cheers, CP 19:17, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Unbelievable... nevertheless, the comments were only re-capitalized, the meanings were not affected - but an agreement is an agreement. –xenocidic (talk) 19:39, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

The IP address

(Re [4]) Does that include vandalism warnings? I'm new to vandalism prevention, so thanks for letting me know. Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 20:36, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
OK, I won't make that mistake again. Thanks for letting me know. Onecanadasquarebishopsgate 20:41, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
My reply here.

Thank's for the Help

Thank you for all the help you gave me. Your actually an admin I like cause some don't give respect to people unlike you. Any comments you can leave on my talk page or E-mail.--Ezekiel †alk 18:51, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

So I heard the debate on sigs was withdrawn. So what was the result of all that debating?--Ezekiel †alk 17:00, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

(Re [5]) Wow that WP:QUI thing is an easy way to show your status and friends status too. I almost think it's better than status bot.--Ezekiel †alk 17:40, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
This seems very new too Wikipedia. Do many people know about and would you like me to tell my friends? Best regards.--Ezekiel †alk 18:07, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
My reply here.

Thanks!

That is the first Barnstar I ever got here! No hard feelings at all. I enjoy editing on the Simple English Wikipedia better, but edit here on occasion also. Cheers and thanks -- America †alk 20:15, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
It's fine. I like mine simple. Thanks :) -- America †alk 20:21, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Wow, that's strange why would he recreate it if I requested to delete it? Best Regards.--Ezekiel †alk 21:34, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I think you accidentally created it in the template space originally. Then he moved it to your userspace. No harm done. –xenocidic (talk) 21:39, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

(Re [6]) Uh-oh, what if I accidentally all ready created an account called Ezekiel 7:19. Best Regards.--Ezekiel †alk 13:38, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Redlinked cat

hmmm... Enigma message 18:06, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't seem particularly useful to me. –xenocidic (talk) 18:08, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm just not sure what to do with it. Three pages are somehow in a redlinked category. They got automatically put there. Enigma message 21:44, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Probably some bit of code in the Wikiproject Brigham University tag. (Which seems like a rather narrow-scoped WikiProject to me) –xenocidic (talk) 21:46, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
So what can we do about it? Enigma message 16:41, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
As far as I can tell it's for articles with talk pages that have a subpage called /Comments. Perhaps leave a note with the Wikiproject. –xenocidic (talk) 13:48, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

RE: StewieGriffin! Talk

(Re [7]) Well only semi-retirement. When did I say my famous words? I'll be back in a few months. Did you see I thanked you. I've decided:

The Barnstar of Barnstars
For your constant niceness, userbox idea, catchprase idea, and help. StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign Listen 20:27, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
My reply here.
I've added that catchprase to my userpage. StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign Listen 20:16, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
That will be my catchprase. For you, one last time: . StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign Listen 20:21, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Funny. The vacuums will attack. StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign Listen 20:27, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
My reply here.
I forgot to say. Thanks for the barnstar. Did you see I merged the barnstars above into a single template. Obviously each barnstar is individual and you can always get the messages in the history.
Yea, that's pretty neat. I put it on my awards page =) cheers, –xenocidic (talk) 20:50, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Per my award, I can't believe I created it. I thought someone else would have (the name at least). I'm thinking of extending it (would you be interested). Not on Wikipedia, possibly Meta... Radio Wikimedia. StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign Listen 20:58, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Tell me what you think of meta:Radio Wikimedia, please. StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign Listen 21:09, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
This is a shocker. I'm guessing it's just us running the show now? RedThunder 21:31, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


Hi

Hello Xenocidic. Due to cancellations I have undone my semi-retirement. This is because 1: My hosting got too expensive, 2: My school show has been cancelled. Could you possible un-protect my user and user talk pages. StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign Listen 17:29, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

 Done. Welcome back =) –xenocidic (talk) 17:32, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Test edits

(Re [8]) Ok i use the sandbox next time. and about the adoption sub-page i kinda lost it. EE 02:21, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
ThanksEE 02:24, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

IPs

Ive done more IP tagging and I came across this [9] does IP pools mean its a IP bender? EE 19:18, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't know what an IP bender is... I would gather an IP pool means it's a pool of IPs that are dynamically assigned by DHCP and the like. –xenocidic (talk) 19:19, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
So you an IP pool be a Shared IP. Use the {{dynamicip}} template. EE 19:24, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I would gather as much. –xenocidic (talk) 19:26, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Thankyou.EE 19:37, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Question

Ive filled a SSP case and it was closed without a census being made it was open for about 20 mins. Was it wronly closed?EE 20:56, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

It looks like Tiptoety sent it onto WP:RFCU. Nice work. –xenocidic (talk) 21:04, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Thankyou.:)EE 21:16, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Van Phillips (inventor)

Thanks for your edits . . . but was hoping for understanding more about how the article move allowed evasion of Special:NewPages and the patrol (or a path to bug report / other means of raising the issue). Thoughts? Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bongomatic (talk • contribs) 15:10, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Try WP:VPT. Cut-and-paste moving into the mainspace would be a workaround for this; if there is not much significant history to retain. –xenocidic (talk) 15:13, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your edit of my exceptionally careless created of the dab page. Bongomatic (talk) 17:50, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

heh, no problem. –xenocidic (talk) 17:53, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Any reason not to use "{{otherpersons|USE|PAGE"}} on the pages to refer to the dab page? Bongomatic (talk) 18:02, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Response from User:RekonDog

(Re [10]) I'm trying to update my User page, I have asked permission from User:Bahamut0013 to copy/paste; permission was granted. He is helping me out, he is going to edit the rest of the info that is "his" to "my info". We've been exchanging conversation, according to User talk:RekonDog. Learning how to use the coded text is a little complicated, so he allows me to copy and pasted what he has on his page so I can make it work on mine. Hope you understand what I'm trying to explain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RekonDog (talk • contribs) 17:46, July 2, 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

How does the statusbot work? I think I am following the instructions that it gave me...wasn't trying to re-create the page, I was doing what it said, from what I interpeted. Wanting to show my online/offline status, if you know what I mean. RekonDog (talk) 17:55, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Help

Hi. Could you do me a favor and review the United States Senate election in Oregon, 2008. I removed a polling part that included two candidates that have dropped out. Another editor reverted the edit. The point is , that with the candidated gone, why should it be kept there. It really serves no purpose. I came to you because you have been helpful to me in the past, and I was hoping you could look into this issue. Please respond on my talk page, as I am pasting what I put here on to there. Thank you so much. America69 (talk) 18:03, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

as a self-confessed Canadian, I'm trying to stay as far away from any disputes regarding the U.S. elections as I can. However, I would gather they should be left in the table for historical reasons...the polls did occur, and there were results with respect to those candidates. make sense? –xenocidic (talk) 18:06, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your help. America69 (talk) 18:09, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Moving adoption subpage

(Re [11]) Sure thats fine, maybe just make a link to it from my paage. peace Yzzug (talk) 06:51, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

RfA thanks

My reply here.

Real life

The guideline you mentioned doesn't really apply to this situation... See 100% for an example of why I change real life to the current design. –xenocidic (talk) 14:22, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Can you clarify your edit summary comment "you've mis-read the guideline; its the other way around" in reference to MOS:DP#Linking to a primary topic? Are you saying that you're only supposed to begin the page with a link to a primary topic if the page is not at Term (disambiguation)?
The guideline says that the well-known meaning at the main Term page should not be mixed-in with the other links at Term (disambiguation) and should be placed at the top. Since the move of the dab page to Real life signifies that Real life (reality) is not necessarily the primary meaning, there is no need to place Real life (reality) at the top apart from the other links. Propaniac (talk) 14:34, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Well the guideline you mentioned only applies to situations where (disambiguation) is there. In the case of a disambiguation page at without it, the most common usage (most desired target) should be the first line (at least as far as I understand), per Wikipedia:MOS/DAB#Order of entries, and common practice as with the example I linked above. –xenocidic (talk) 14:37, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure that the move itself signifies that it's not the main term. In fact I still don't see as there was consensus for the move in the first place, past consensus was that Real life (reality) should remain at Real life. –xenocidic (talk) 14:41, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
MOS:DP#Linking to a primary topic says, "Add this introductory line if the dab page has (disambiguation) in the title." MOS:DP#Order of entries is a separate section, discussing how to order the entries in the list. "Place the most-used meaning at the top" does not mean that there should always be an introductory line with the most-used meaning separate from the other entries in the list. If that were the case, then any talk of whether (disambiguation) is in the title could be removed from the primary topic section. What is the point of including the discussion of "(disambiguation)" in titles, if the guide actually means, "Well, whatever user comes along should decide which is the primary meaning and stick it up there"?
The fact that many disambiguation pages, such as 100%, don't follow the Manual of Style doesn't mean that the MOS says anything different than what it does.
The determination of primary meaning, for the purposes of formatting disambig pages, is just a reflection of whether there is an article at the main title. Real life (reality) is no longer at the main title and should therefore no longer be considered the primary meaning. As to whether there was consensus for the move, I left the discussion on the Talk page for five days and nobody objected to moving it. The previous discussion on the Talk page was both confused and outdated. The admin who closed the AFD (in which the discussion of the move proposal was also quite confused) said that the move should be discussed on the Talk page. Waiting five days for objection is not exactly stretching the confines of WP:BOLD. Propaniac (talk) 14:54, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
MOS:DP#Linking to a primary topic applies only when the disambiguation page has a (disambiguation) after it. Since this is not the case, someone will stumble onto the real life disambiguation page by typing "Real life" into the search box, thus, the most common meaning should be at the top. I suppose since Wikipedia doesn't take quorum into account, two people can consensus make, but past discussions seemed to support keeping "real life" (the term) at "Real life" (a side issue though; it doesn't really matter to me - your bold move is fine with me). However, what you describe is not how you determine "primary meaning" - common usage is, and I contend that "real life" (the term) is far more common than any of those albums, films, etc. –xenocidic (talk) 14:58, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
By the way, the relevant page which outlines the guideline about having the primary term as the first line of the DAB page is here: Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Disambiguation pages. –xenocidic (talk) 15:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
We're in agreement that MOS:DP#Linking to a primary topic is limited to dab pages with (disambiguation) in the title. These pages are cases where there is a primary topic located at the main title (referred to by the MOS as "the primary topic article"), and this primary topic article should have a link at the top, going to the disambig page. It goes on to say that this primary topic article should not be mixed in with the other links and should be placed at the top, above the list. If, by "primary topic article", they meant "the most common meaning of the phrase, regardless of whether it's at the main title or not," that wouldn't make sense, because you wouldn't need a link to the disambig page from any article not located at the main title.
Your argument, if I finally understand it, is that it would make more sense to put the most-common meaning at the top if the dab page IS located at the main title, because a user will thus be arriving at the dab page without already having gone through the most-common meaning. I don't entirely disagree with that logic. [The only qualm I have with it is that it would be entirely up to discretion which entry is the most common meaning.] If that's how you think dab pages should be organized, you're free to suggest a revision to the guidelines. However, what you're suggesting is absolutely not currently part of that section of the MOS, and the other section clearly means to put the most-common meaning at the top of the list of entries (as in the example given), not to separate it out as described in the former section. Propaniac (talk) 15:17, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure if you read the above (15:08 UTC comment) before you made your reply, but it seems to speak to the issue you brought up. Anyhow, perhaps the best thing to do would be to refactor this entire conversation to Talk:Real life and get some other eyes on it, I'll admit: disambiguation is not one of my areas of expertise. –xenocidic (talk) 15:19, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
I hadn't seen your addendum/link when I left my last comment, but it doesn't change my impression of the situation. WP:Disambiguation says "primary topic" and links to the MOS for more detail, and I still don't believe the MOS can reasonably be interpreted as indicating anything other than "When the dab page is at Term (disambiguation), link to the primary topic, which is the article at Term, at the top of the page." Propaniac (talk) 16:14, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I'm looking to be adopted.

I've been on wiki for a while, yet there are many things to learn so I'm searching for someone who can give me guidance through my journey here. I've searched for someone who is experienced yet may be compatible with my personality and you seem to be a fantastic candidate. I'd like you to consider adopting me although be aware that I may be annoying with questions at times. Thanks and let me know. Lympathy Talk 14:36, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
Sorry, I'm very new to this but where is the best place to ask for advice? Here on your talk page or is there a better place?Lympathy Talk 14:52, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
My reply here.
Thanks, I feel really annoying because I have heaps of questions. So that's why I thought I'd ask. No pressure to respond quickly, I understand we all have lives. Firstly I want to introduce myself. I'm Dale aka Lympathy and I'm an avid gamer, musician and ex-soldier. I currently work for an major sales company in Melbourne and I have a high IQ, so I only need to be told once, :P Lympathy Talk 14:59, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
My reply here.
First question - How do I automatically archive my talk-page. I've tried but I don't think I've done it correctly?Lympathy Talk 15:07, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
The reason your talk page isn't auto-archiving is because miszabot has a default "minthreadsleft" value of 5. Since your talk page has less than 5 threads, things aren't being archived. You could add "|minthreadsleft=0" to the configuration if you don't mind your talk page being completely harvested. I also think you need to delete the "counter" line because you're using date-based archiving. –xenocidic (talk) 15:12, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
thanks, you're a legend. I still feel like I'm pulling you away from more important duties. Another question, in your opinion what sort of editing deserves a Barnstar??Lympathy Talk 15:20, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
heh, not at all. if anything, you're pulling me away from less important RL work. ;> as far as Barnstars, it's really up to each editor's discretion. they shouldn't just be handed out willy-nilly, but they also don't need to be restricted to people who've written a featured article from scratch. I typically hand out a da Vinci barnstar whenever anyone has helped me with a particularly difficult technical/wiki-code issue that I may have brought up at WP:VPT for example. or when someone may have gone thru a particular stressful wiki-incident and they don't completely implode, they'll get a resilience barnstar. stuff like that. in other words: you determine your own threshold. –xenocidic (talk) 15:24, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
One day, well in the future, I'd love to be an Admin. What sort of policies should I know well, or what should I do over the next few years if that's the direction I want to head? Lympathy Talk 15:29, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Well you could check out WP:NAS. There's so many guidelines and policies you have to know, it would be tough to point you to one specific policy. In a potential admin most people like to see experience with deletion, vandal-fighting, article building, wikiproject participation, etc. Basically, a well-rounded individual. One suggestion would be to keep an eye on WP:RFA and see what people are opposing for. –xenocidic (talk) 15:38, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
am I able to put a status update in my profile like the one you have? I can see the status code but what do you include in your article/profile page?Lympathy Talk 15:45, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Just put {{Statustop}} at the top of your userpage, and then use a system like WP:QUI to update your status as desired. –xenocidic (talk) 16:00, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Please block 66.82.9.108 right now

Hurry203.73.158.187 (talk) 18:46, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, they haven't been sufficiently warned. As a registered user you can use Twinkle which gives you an easy way to add warnings to user talk pages. –xenocidic (talk) 18:49, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Possibly

(Re [12]) It's no different than the fact we say "Mohamed al-Kahtani was allegedly a member of al-Qaeda..." - the lack of certainty is actually put in to improve BLP standards so that we are not treating accusations and charges appear to be fact. So no, I don't see any problem with saying someone was believed "to have possibly been one of the hostagetakers" providing that claim is verifiable - which in this case, it is. Sherurcij (speaker for the dead) 18:54, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Nice Work!

The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
Thanks for reverting vandalism on my talkpage! Shapiros10 contact meMy work 20:14, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
No problem - thanks for the barnstar! =) –xenocidic (talk) 20:18, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Timeshappy

...is asking for an unblock. Thoughts? –xenocidic (talk) 01:24, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that. Might be worth trying a {{2nd chance}}. If he responds positively to that, I wouldn't object to an unblock. Best, Gwernol 01:26, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Will do. Thanks for the link, I've never seen that one before. cheers, –xenocidic (talk) 01:27, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Sadly, that didn't work. Oh well. Perhaps time for page protection... Gwernol 01:38, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
I disagree - it worked smashingly. It quickly sorted out a troll from a possible constructive contributor. Thanks for the advice! –xenocidic (talk) 01:40, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:-) Gwernol 01:41, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

access to deleted pages

Dear Xenocidic,

I would find it helpful if I can have access to the deleted pages under "Send the Light". I have partially restored the subject owing to the importance of the subject matter, as Wikipedia was one of the ports of call some folk made on the subject.

My quest, is one of the historic deleted pages was an unsubstantiated comment by an official of "Send the Light" (a Christian Book Distributor - probably now the largest on the world) to the effect that the Christian Book Shops needed STL more than STL needed them. I wish to chase this comment up for verficiation, but the only place I saw the comment was on the Wiki "Send the Light" page. I suspect as it was not verified, it may have been removed, but accessable from the history section.

However one sysop removed the entry in May, thinking the subject material unimportant - whilst hopefully the entry will be restored (its current reapperance is under debate) - I would value access to the previous deleted pages on the entry.

Dr Michael Foster, Osjknights (talk) 13:48, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Send the Light Thanks

Got the comment I needed - many thanks Dr Michael Foster Osjknights (talk) 14:36, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem - cheers, –xenocidic (talk) 14:39, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey, great!

Excellent!. Something we needed. Thanks. Steve Crossin (contact) 14:44, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Heh - no problem. Got sick of typing it out. =) –xenocidic (talk) 14:46, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

3RR question

Can you take a look at Andrew Wilson (theologian)? I'd like to revert deletion of content in the middle of an AfD, which is supposed to close today, but I'm not sure I'm allowed to. Am I? I'd also appreciate your comments on the dispute as well, if you have time to read through the AfD and talk pages. Thanks! Jclemens (talk) 17:42, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

It would be your fourth revert, so, probably not a good idea. AFD isn't really my area of expertise but I'll see if I have anything intelligent to say. –xenocidic (talk) 17:48, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
I will follow your recommendations. I think I've made my point on the AfD and talk pages, so I only hope the closing admin actually reads them. Thanks for your input and review. Jclemens (talk) 17:57, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
Do you know if any other AfD admins are around? The article debate is degenerating. Have you ever started an RfC? I'm looking for the right dispute resolution process, because there are multiple editors removing material from the article, and the AfD should have been closed already. An uninvolved third party willing to wade through things would really help--How do I go about asking for one, in this sort of a case? Jclemens (talk) 19:35, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Try Moonriddengirl, she's proven herself to be one who gives every article a fair shake. –xenocidic (talk) 19:47, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Bringing it here

Do you know anybody else who might do? As I mentioned at Keeper's talk page, I could ask DGG, because I believe he's scrupulously fair, but I don't know if he closes many AfDs. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 20:55, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

The only two people that came to mind were you and keeper... =) I don't hang out at AFD too much... –xenocidic (talk) 21:08, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
All right. I know who I'm going to ask. thanks. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 21:19, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Maybe you can clue me in for next time? =) –xenocidic (talk) 21:22, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
I've dropped it at User talk:PhilKnight. We'll see if he's at home and interested. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 21:26, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Phil didn't think he was an appropriate closer. I said I'd look on, but I'm wondering if I *should*. The AfD is picking up more responders now, which will only help make it easier to assess consensus here. I'll keep an eye on it, and if it gets lonely on the "old" list, I'll try again. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 22:55, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
I knew you'd be the right gal for the job! ;> –xenocidic (talk) 22:56, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

User:Nickofthejones

I saw you dealt with this guy previously. He just vandalized your userpage. Shapiros10 contact meMy work 16:42, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

(Re [13])

Ah, he was a sweetie wasn't he? Sigh. Good call on the reblock and page protection. Best, Gwernol 17:00, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
My reply here.

Manners

Firstly, thanks for not blocking User talk:68.148.164.166 initially, that would've been premature. But I did take exception to your comment here. Surely, referring to a user as "it" isn't a decent way to treat someone. Just a thought, Zain Ebrahim (talk) 19:03, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Hrm, my original comment was thus: [14] and I made a slight change so as to disambiguate from the other IP posting there. An unfortunate remnant of the change, I'll fix it now. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. –xenocidic (talk) 19:05, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Ah, I see. I should have checked. Sorry for the impertinence. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 19:09, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
no need to be sorry. cheers, –xenocidic (talk) 19:44, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Help Request

Thanks for your help with my userboxes. I just have one more question. How would I center the my user boxes. i.e. I have three, and id like them centered, how would I do that. In addition, Id like to know how to center one across all four rows. Putting in the colspan didnt work for me. Thanks again--omnipotence407 (talk) 22:28, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Makes perfect sense, Thank you very much for all your help.--omnipotence407 (talk) 22:38, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem - happy userboxing! –xenocidic (talk) 22:38, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar

(Re [15]) Thanks for the barnstar! It's my first. :) Feel free to test out the template, provide feedback, and/or tweak it yourself. Flatscan (talk) 03:45, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Happy Independence Day!

As you are a nice Wikipedian, I just wanted to wish you a happy Independence Day! And if you are not an American, then have a happy day and a wonderful weekend anyway!  :) Your friend and colleague, --Happy Independence Day! Le Grand Roi des CitrouillesTally-ho! 04:10, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

cheers, hope you had a good one. –xenocidic (talk) 04:24, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Anon IP user at the Science reference desk

Hello, further to the warnings that you have made to the user here: here can I inform you that the same anon IP user is persistenly adding warnings to my talk page. I consider them to be vandalism and am reverting them. The only contact that I have had with this user is to revert their thread bumping at the science desk and posts which seek medical advice, is is against the policy of the refdesk. I feel the user would benefit from a forced wikibreak as I cannot see that the IP is being used for anything but unconstructive edits. I have once placed a warning on their talk page stating that they may be blocked if they continue to bump threads at the reference desk. The user is now placing unwarranted warning tags on my talk page. What should I do? Thanks, Jdrewitt (talk) 09:12, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

The two specific instances I speak of are here and here. Jdrewitt (talk) 09:23, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
The IP has now been blocked for "harrassing editors, incivility, abuse of process". I hope when they come back they don't start picking on me again. Thanks. Jdrewitt (talk) 13:35, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Let me know if they do. Happy editing, –xenocidic (talk) 13:40, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice

(Re [16]) Thanks for the advice today regarding vandal reports. Sincerely, Willking1979 (talk) 17:10, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the honor

(Re [17]) Thanks for honoring me with the RickK barnstar...I am ultra-humbled. Sincerely, Willking1979 (talk) 17:25, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Red Phoenix

Is it possible to warn JeanLatore for the edits he made to the RFA in question. This just seems wrong. America69 (talk) 03:04, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Hrm, will leave this one up to a more tenured admin. –xenocidic (talk) 03:05, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
I see you saw his RFA. Does that add to what I put above? —Preceding unsigned comment added by America69 (talk • contribs) 23:24, July 5, 2008
It's obvious trolling, his last RFA snowed just over a week ago. but again, I'll let a more experienced admin handle it. –xenocidic (talk) 03:26, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
One last thing. Could you please look at the comments he left on my page. They were quite uncivil. Thanks. Please respond on my page. America69 (talk) 03:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Forget about it. This has been an interseting night. Let's drop it since it's over. Sorry to both you so much this evening. America69 (talk) 03:49, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
I already left a message on his page. cheers, –xenocidic (talk) 03:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. It has been a long day. Sorry to bother you so much tonite. America69 (talk) 03:52, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
No bother. –xenocidic (talk) 03:53, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

JeanLatore

I've put him on a final warning. The RFA trolling and AfD trolling could be misplaced humor, but this is outright harassment. – ırıdescent 14:17, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Yep, I just noticed that. I would endorse a block if this keeps up. No need to let trolls run loose, even if they do improve an article once in a while. –xenocidic (talk) 14:19, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Curious About Conduct

Regardless of the CU's turnout for User:JeanLatore, was it appropriate of me to avoid conflict and not bring up the issue until now after he's been indefblocked? Or should I have done a report right away when I was suspicious? I suspected he wanted to continue with a grudge against me so I didn't do so, thinking that (if I'm correct) doing so would've caused a bigger disruption rather than simply letting things run their course. -WarthogDemon 19:13, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm still not too familiar with CU and when it is or is not appropriate to request one. Perhaps one of my more experienced talk page stalkers can chime in? –xenocidic (talk) 19:19, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

My Reverts

Hello Xenocidic! I have a request for U8 here but I'd appreciate it if you read it too and (hopefully) carried it out! I really value feedback.--Xp54321 (Hello! • Contribs) 04:35, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm about to hit the sack, but I checked about 10 at random and they all looked spot on. Keep it up. –xenocidic (talk) 04:41, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Good night then. I'd still appreciate a full review but sleep is a very necessary thing.Good night!:)--Xp54321 (Hello! • Contribs) 04:46, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
I see Us8 already completed this for you, but I wouldn't worry about it so much. A good gauge of whether your huggling is appropriate is how many users are coming to your talk page to complain about your reverts. The closer to none, the better. =) –xenocidic (talk) 14:50, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank You

Thank You for all your help! Is there anything else I should know? 53180 (talk) 16:08, 6 July 2008 (UTC)53180.

No problem. nope, that should basically be your exit (?) from Wikipedia. Hope you see fit to come back. –xenocidic (talk) 16:26, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Ok thanks again, I really appreciate it. 216.70.26.237 (talk) 16:28, 6 July 2008 (UTC)53180.

Meeting your demand

Hi there. I cannot thank you enough for your vote at my RfA.
With "the tools", I will try my best to continue to deftly handle question #6.
Enjoy the pictures.
–thedemonhog talk • edits 00:08, 7 July 2008 (UTC) 		Hey, how's it going?

Supress table of contents?

Hey, I was wondering how I can remove the automated contents that appears on a page when you have a few headings? Lympathy Talk 14:18, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Just put __NOTOC__ (two underscores, then NOTOC, then another two underscores) at the top of the page. –xenocidic (talk) 14:21, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, I really appreciate all your help Lympathy Talk 14:24, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
No problem. –xenocidic (talk) 14:30, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Recent changes

Xenocidic. Thanks again for the help. Quick question for ya. What are the numbers shown next to posts in 'recent changes'? i.e. (-1), (+864), etc. They are in red or green. I imagine they are some type of edit rating system, however if they are, how is the decision made? I added an important citation to Stewie Griffin and got a (-1). disappointed. -washburnmav (talk) 18:33, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
No, that is the size change in bytes done by the edit. + means content was added, - means content was removed. Huge deletions appear in bold red as it may be an indication of vandalism (at least if it is not properly explained in the edit comment). --PaterMcFly (talk) 18:45, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Haha no it is not a firefly reference. My first guitar was a Washburn Maverick. Thanks for the info. Yes that is a blog on second glance. I will find a more reputable source and replace it. I assume you are referencing enders game... -washburnmav (talk) 19:15, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
My reply here.


Kumiki Gibson

(Re [18]) Hi

I suppose that's it now. While I was away, User:69.86.161.159, obviously the "opponent" of User:Truthful data (see history of article), reverted to "his" very biased version. While I was writting a warning to that user and one on the talk page, truthful data reverted back to his (in the opposite direction biased) version again. Either full protect the article (probably in my version, since, if I'm not completelly wrong, that's the least biased - although in general I would not ask a protection on a specific version, but this seems to be a special case) or block both parties for an extended period of time. --PaterMcFly (talk) 18:43, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

User:Tyeomans1234567890

(Re [19] [null edit]) The block was intentional. I will re-consider if needed. Bearian (talk) 20:22, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

k, I just wanted to be sure. The latest article creation attempts seemed somewhat good-faithy which is why I didn't block myself. –xenocidic (talk) 20:23, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I changed the block, so the user can request a change any time. Bearian (talk) 20:47, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
cheers, –xenocidic (talk) 20:51, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Question

Is there a way to Special:PrefixIndex some thing without getting the sub pages of the subpages.

Ex.
You PrefixIndex Wikipedia
You get Wikipedia/A and Wikipedia/A/B
But you only want Wikipedia/A.

thankyou, EE 20:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Not that I know of, sorry. Try asking at the WP:Help desk. –xenocidic (talk) 20:39, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks anyway. EE 20:42, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

A heads up

Im planing on changing my username to Hereford.[20] Just thought you should know. Electrical Experiment (talk) 00:48, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

cool, good luck with that. –xenocidic (talk) 00:51, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:RWP

why haven't i gotten it delivered? Electrical Experiment (talk) 01:19, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think we're delivering the issues anymore... –xenocidic (talk) 01:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
ok thanksElectrical Experiment (talk) 01:26, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you...

(Re [21]) Thank you... - Adolphus79 (talk) 21:05, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

My somewhat reply here.

Reply

(Re [22]) Hey sounds fine to me, but you got one thing wrong, my name is pronounced "Chet B Long" not, Chet Blong. ;) --ChetblongTalk/ARK 01:14, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
haha it's fine. I've gotten called Chet Blong enough times on IRC that I'm used to it, Chet Blong is kinda a cool name anyways :P. --ChetblongTalk/ARK 01:39, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
My reply here.

South Bend Watch Company...WikiPedia History & Reference (Heartland)

To Whom It May Concern:

My name is Nancy Licini (nee Shelton) and this serves as notification that the WikiPedia South Bend Watch Company History and the reference page under Heartland is in accurate. I am not an editor and really do not have the time to figure out how to undo the deletions of my contributed revisions, or should I say corrections. Additionally, I do not understand the format for documenting your articles and the signing of my posts by typing four (4) tildes.

So, I am asking you to undo this and make the changes for me. Here are the facts:

Walter Cross Shelton, Sr. 08/12/1881-08/15/1975 (W.C. Shelton, Sr.) was my paternal grandfather and the man associated with the South Bend Watch Company. Mercel Joseph Shelton (M.J. Shelton) was his son (my uncle) and graduated from Purdue University. He became a Civil Engineer. My father, Walter Cordier Shelton, Jr. 11/22/1914-04/01/1998 (W.C. Shelton, Jr.) became an Aeronautical Engineer. Neither of Walter C. Shelton, Sr. sons were associated with the South Bend Watch Company. Again, it was W.C. Shelton, Sr. who was the jeweler and watchmaker in our family.

This is my family genealogy and I am asking you to kindly make the appropriate aforementioned corrections. As a reference regarding validity I am refering you to the South Bend Tribune (Obituary Section) of my father Walter C. Shelton, Jr. dated 04/04/1998. It does state "His father, Walter, Sr. was the manager of the South Bend Watch."

If you should have further questions, please feel free to contact me at the following. Thank you kindly for your prompt and courteous attention.

Cordially, —Preceding unsigned comment added by SBWatchMaker (talk • contribs) 12:28, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
South Bend Watch Company...Reference Pg (Heartland)

Thank you kindly for your assistance regarding the appropriate and accurate corrections involving the South Bend Watch Company and my grandfather Walter C. Shelton, Sr. as the watchmaker in our family. I do need further assistance. I have tried on several occasions to make contact and to no avail.

The additional Reference Pg is intitled Heartland under the History of the South Bend Watch Company in WikiPedia. This data too is inaccurate and states M.J. Shelton. It needs to read Walter C. Shelton, Sr. (W.C. Shelton, Sr.). Please assist in seeing to it that this article is corrected, edited with the aforementioned corrections of W.C. Shelton, Sr. associated with the South Bend Watch Company. Again, I thank you for your time and expertise. Please note that I have given to you and posted confidential contacts. Please feel free to delete my requests and contact data following these corrections.

Cordially, SBWatchMaker —Preceding unsigned comment added by SBWatchMaker (talk • contribs) 13:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

My replies here.
WikiPedia South Bend Watch Company Reference (Heartland) needs revision, please

Thank you kindly for your assistance and expertise. I appreciate your time and energy. As I mentioned, I am not an expert in being able to navigate these pages.

I have one last request: I am unable to edit the reference page entitled Heartland re: the WikiPedia Reference Section involving the South Bend Watch Company.

It is my hope that you will be able to make the appropriate corrections to the Reference data entitled Heartland. Again, M.J. Shelton is listed as the man associated with the South Bend Watch Company. That statement is inaccurate. The credit and correction is Walter Cross Shelton, Sr. (W.C. Shelton, Sr.) who was associated with the South Bend Watch Company. He was the watchmaker and jeweler in our family. Verification: South Bend Tribune 04/04/1998 Obituary Section entitled Walter C. Shelton, Jr. It states his father Walter C. Shelton, Sr. was the man associated with the South Bend Watch Company.

Cordially, SBWatchMaker South Bend, Indiana —Preceding unsigned comment added by SBWatchMaker (talk • contribs) 14:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

I have contacted so many, and this reference page well, I cannot edit. The ringmaster? I haven't the faintest idea how to contact him/her, believe me I've tried. The last time I believe this reference pg was edited was 1999. If you could locate a resource for contact to accomplish my goal re these corrections, I would appreciate it. Resources I've tried seem to be dead. Sorry about this, but I cannot see this ending until the corrections are made involving W.C. Shelton, Sr. and the South Bend Watch Company.

Cordially, SBWatchMaker —Preceding unsigned comment added by SBWatchMaker (talk • contribs) 15:44, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Thanks

(Re [23]) Thanks for the vote of confidence and the congratulatory message with the advice.--Chef Tanner (talk) 13:26, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Usurp

How do I clarify that I own both accounts. Especially since I started one at home and another at a friends? Best Regards.--Ezekiel †alk 14:23, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
What do you mean by 7:19 account? Best Regards.--Ezekiel †alk 14:29, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
My reply here.

RE: Yarr

(Re [24]) heh, you're welcome :) weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 14:34, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Help

Can you take a look at several revisions starting here and give me your opinion? This will take a few minutes of digging, but I see several blocks that look a little too trigger happy to me. I mean, how can an admin block a an account after it makes only 3 edits in 2 minutes, with 1 warning? Am I off base?  Frank  |  talk  15:05, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I gather you're talking about SHANKSTERONER, the vandalism is completely inappropriate, and I seriously doubt we could reform this user with the standard 4 warning/temporary block cycle. Vandalism-only accounts of this nature can be blocked on sight (even without warning, if it's quite severe). –xenocidic (talk) 15:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Special:Contributions/Porzechowski is a block evading spam/advertising-only account of Special:Contributions/90.152.47.58. –xenocidic (talk) 15:11, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Ummm, how do we find that out without a checkuser request?  Frank  |  talk  15:13, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
"Quack." Tan | 39 15:14, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
(ec - damn you tan) Per WP:DUCK - exact same vandalism, immediately after the block. There is one that I probably wouldn't have performed which was Special:Contributions/82.117.194.34, contributions appear to be in good faith, though the blocking admin may know more about the subject matter. –xenocidic (talk) 15:16, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
I was wondering about that one too. Thanks (both).  Frank  |  talk  15:18, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Any time. You remind me of me, back when I was an FNG. (lol here I am barely a month in, claiming not to be an FNG) –xenocidic (talk) 15:20, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Cute :-) So...can you fix my status thing so it works again?  Frank  |  talk  15:35, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
You'll need to install WP:QUI, and it works well alongside {{Statustop}}. –xenocidic (talk) 15:40, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Userboxes

Morning xenocidic. Question for ya if you have time. I like the way you have your userboxes on your user page in the box on the right. I want to do the same with mine. can you give me the tags necessary? thanks Washburnmav (talk) 15:38, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
gotcha. Thanks for the help Washburnmav (talk) 15:44, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

couple questions(again lol)

How do you get that status icon on your user page? And how did you manage to get your own sandbox? I have been doing an impressive amount of vandal control just by patrolling recent changes but ive noticed there are programs that help with that. Any suggestions? Thanks Washburnmav (talk) 19:54, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Here's your sandbox... User:Washburnmav/sandbox Tan | 39 19:56, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
My reply here.


User:Filll's RFA questions

Hi! As you said on my talk page you were meaning to address the Filll thing (presumably his questions and lack of voting), I thought I ought to draw your attention to something on his User talk page. There are 4 boxes, and in the fourth one down, he states that he will not be voting in RFAs, RFBs and so on. His reasoning is sound - not wanting to be attacked for his votes. I think most people would get rather narked about that. I would guess that he continues including the questions in RFAs so that people can assess the candidancy's reasoning. Still, answering them wasn't a complete waste of time; I did get weburiedoursecretsinthegarden's vote, even if he didn't read the answer! Take care, StephenBuxton (talk) 16:28, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I think he wrote that around my RFA and those "other" contentious RFAs, and stopped adding his questions. He's since started adding them again. Anyhow, I am going to wait for a few more RFAs with his questions (that were answered) close to see if he chimes in on any of them, and then leave him a message. –xenocidic (talk) 16:29, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
I might be able to help you out there. Before I saw his comment on his user page, I was looking at his contributions to see if he was about and had the opportunity to read my answers. I saw him add to this page, so I had a look; really to see if my answers were any different to his. What I found was a list of people who had responded to them, with myself being the latest addition. StephenBuxton (talk) 17:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Basically, my thing is, if he's going to ask those questions - which can takes upwards of an hour or two (or more) to answer if they really put thought into them - he should weigh in on the RFA, be it support, neutral, or oppose. There was one RFA already closed he didn't vote on (who answered both his questions, and then there's yours. Once your RFA closes, I'll drop by his talk page to encourage him to do so (if he doesn't end up weighing in) or consider not asking the questions anymore. –xenocidic (talk) 17:11, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Qui

I just got Qui to work. You're my first friend! - Diligent Terrier (and friends) 17:40, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Nice! I don't use the friend's feature (at least not right at the moment), so don't take offense if I don't add you ;> –xenocidic (talk) 17:41, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
:D - Diligent Terrier (and friends) 18:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

HAU sandbox message

(Re [25]) I added a comma to the message to make it look a little better. You still have a sentence that ends with a preposition, but it sounded weird to change it. Looks good. Useight (talk) 19:59, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Social

Wanna chat on IRC? Shapiros10 contact meMy work 22:06, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't do IRC. –xenocidic (talk) 22:06, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Newcomer

Hi, I know you recently rejected my request for rollback on User:My Account, but if you could please tell me how to help me fight vandalism how do I find a vandalized page? Thanks! My Account (talk) 22:09, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
You could add pages to your watchlist and check on their recent edits, especially those done by IP addresses. Perhaps take a look at Wikipedia:Most vandalized pages. Useight (talk) 22:13, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
OK thanks for being so helpful, and quick! My Account (talk) 22:16, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
You can also try what a number of other editors do, and start patrolling recent changes for vandalism. That's how I started vandal fighting... - Adolphus79 (talk) 22:59, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Trolling

Hey this is User:Wiki_brah. I got a away with a good run as User:JeanLatore. You people better do some serious fact checking on my supposedly constructive edits to the articles on court cases. Good luck everyone. I'll see you all in two years.

Next time I will become an admin first before revealing my identity.

Night, BrazilianInMiami (talk) 01:39, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

(Re [26])

No, unfortunately I suspect that he's telling the truth in this instance, and fact-checking is important even if it nourishes some trolls on the side. I'm about to check his contribution history to have a look at some of the articles he's damaged and the extent of the required cleanup job. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 01:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
My replies here.
Just to point out that since he was a sockpuppet of a banned (not blocked) user, you're quite within policy to revert every edit he ever made... – iridescent 02:07, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Good point. Though they're likely not the "newest" edit any more and undo might not even work due to intermediate edits. –xenocidic (talk) 02:08, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

HAU Status

Hi. I tried inserting my status into the HAU page but why isn't it working? Thanks. ~AH1(TCU) 01:49, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
Hi. Ok, that was fast, but can I have my HAU status updated transcludedly every time I update my status box? Thanks. ~AH1(TCU) 01:53, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
My reply here.
(edit conflict)Hi. Would it work if my javascript was edited so that instead of displaying
{{User:AstroHurricane001/StatusTemplate}}

everytime I click the buttons, it would display 

{{subst:User:AstroHurricane001/StatusTemplate}}

instead so that it can display the one word, and if so how should my monobbok be edited? Thanks. ~AH1(TCU) 02:07, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
Hi. Ok, but please tweak it so that it produces the intended result, and since I'm supposed to be offline could you leave a message on my talkpage so that tomorrow I remember to clear my cache? Thanks. ~AH1(TCU) 02:11, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
My reply here.

←Hi. Well, you got almost everything working, and I appreciate that. However, the one thing that isn't quite working is the status on HAU. It says:
'''<div style="background: transparent; float: right; position: relative; top: -30px; padding: 5px"> <span style="color: green;">[[Image:Ledgreen.png|20px]] Online</span> </div>'''
, which says I'm online but breaks the formatting, is something still not working, or should I install QUI, but I use Internet Explorer, does it work? Thanks. ~AH1(TCU) 13:50, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
Hi. Yes, it works now, thank you!!
The da Vinci Barnstar
I award you this barnstar for helping me to put my status on HAU, and for your amazing speed in doing so. Keep up the great work! ~AH1(TCU) 14:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. ~AH1(TCU) 14:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
My reply here.
Hi. Yes, I have cleared my cache. Also, I don't blame you for being tired, we both have the same time zone (EDT) and I had to go to sleep. Anyway, thanks for the help, and I'll go check my watchlist now. Thanks. ~AH1(TCU) 14:29, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Shadowrun (2007 video game)

(Re [27] ) Unless you object to the very fact that it is included in the article, I think we can simply converge upon a version that we will agree upon. Fireice (talk) 02:03, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply and related discussion at Talk:Shadowrun (2007 video game)

Re:July newsletter?

(Re [28]) FYI- Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Newsletter/20080709 is ready for delivery. Thanks for willing to deliver again. (Guyinblack25 talk 03:06, 9 July 2008 (UTC))

My reply here.

The traditional rfa thank you message

(Re [29])

Thank you for the support!
Xeno, it is my honor to report that thanks in part to your support my third request for adminship passed (80/18/2). I appreciate the trust you and the WP community have in me, and I will endeovour to put my newly acquired mop and bucket to work for the community as a whole. Yours sincerly and respectfuly, TomStar81 (Talk) 03:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

The WPVG Newsletter (July 2008)

Yes. Itz strange ...it is happening since 2 days.. The workaround is copy the stuff to a text file and import from there - -- TinuCherian (Wanna Talk?) - 10:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I figured that workaround, but it's suboptimal. Thanks though =) –xenocidic (talk) 11:28, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

An image that I loaded into Wikipedia (Marked Bumble bees.jpg) claims to be missing Copyright status and I don't know how fix that before it gets removed. Can you help me? Jennyjandt (talk) 17:59, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

I've uploaded a new version of the file (same image) and I think I included copyright status, but nothing seems to change on the image page. Did I forget something? Jennyjandt (talk) 15:07, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Hi again. Yes, I would like to release the photo into the public domain. However, I don't know where to add GFDL on the image. Thanks. Jennyjandt (talk) 13:33, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

I think everything is fixed now. Thanks for e-mailing me directly about this and for all your help! Jennyjandt (talk) 16:29, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

WP:HAU, Status, and you!

As you may know, the StatusBot responsible for maintaining the status of the Highly Active Users was taken offline. We now have a replacement in the Qui status system. This semi-automatic system will allow you to easily update your status page found at Special:Mypage/Status which the HAU page code is now designed to read from. If you are already using Qui (or a compatible system) - great! - no action is needed (other than remembering to update your status as necessary). If not, consider installing Qui. You can also manually update this status by changing the page text to online, offline, or busy. While it is not mandatory, the nature of HAU is that people are often seeking a quick answer from someone who is online and keeping our statuses up-to-date will assist with this. Note if you were previously using your /Status page as something other than a one-word status indicator, your HAU entry may have been set to "status=n" to correct display issues. Please clear this parameter if you change things to be "HAU compatible". Further questions can be raised at WT:HAU. This message was delivered by xenobot 23:01, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

How dare you spam my talk page! –xenocidic (talk) 23:31, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Haha! Serves you right. :P GlassCobra 23:32, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
ze bot...it is spamming me! the goggles - they do nothing! ;> –xenocidic (talk) 23:33, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
I was going to complain that your bot was bothering me, but it looks that not even you could escape its clutches. :P Useight (talk) 00:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
P.S. I'm not actually on WP:HAU anymore...could I perhaps be removed from your bot's spamlist? GlassCobra 15:30, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Sure, just remove your entry from Wikipedia:Highly Active Users/North America =) –xenocidic (talk) 15:31, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Ah, looks like there's actually been a bit of confusion; I actually removed myself on May 11; however, I got re-added by Useight three days later in one of the many revamps that HAU has undergone. I'll go and take myself off again. GlassCobra 20:37, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
That explains it=) Anyhow there's where I pulled the spamlist from; in either case, I doubt there will be any more spams from HAU, unless there's another public service announcement that needs made. –xenocidic (talk) 20:38, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Still, I don't feel that I should be classified as highly active at the moment. I am curious, though, as to how you guys do your status updates. Wasn't StatusBot shut down? Or is it just updated manually? GlassCobra 20:41, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Somewhat manually but assisted with either WP:QUI or scripts similar to User:Xenocidic/statusChanger2.js. –xenocidic (talk) 20:43, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Page Syncexpert

Hi Xenocidic,

Can you please send me a copy of the deleted page Syncexpert?

I am new to adding page on wikipedia and did not aware of the rules. Now I know.

With the returned copy I can change focus of the page to the proprietary data sync algorithm used in the software, instead of advertising the software.

By the way, I was indeed inspired by another wikipedia page on a competing product of SyncEXP. I just copied their wiki codes straightly and replaced with our names plus some adjustment on the wordings. Can I send you the wiki link of that product so you may comment on its long living in wiki?

Thanks for caring on this matter,

allQOo —Preceding unsigned comment added by AllQoo (talk • contribs) 10:11, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
SyncEXPERT - This is the page I mimicked http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SyncMate

Moreover, I would like to know these pages are ads or not? If not which format I shall follow to recreate the SyncEXPERT page?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SyncBack http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robocopy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobiliti —Preceding unsigned comment added by AllQoo (talk • contribs) 02:11, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Adopt Offer

(Re [30]) Sounds good! Glad you came along, I figured you may be a little busy, you seem to have a number of adoptees already. Didn't want to add any pressure I already ask you 2-3 questions a day lol. Thanks! Washburnmav (talk) 15:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
So I put QUI and twinkle in my monobook.js file and neither is showing up anymore even though I reset the cache. QUI showed up once, but Twinkle never did anything. -A very confuddled Washburnmav (talk) 18:35, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Are you using Firefox now? Twinkle isn't compatible with IE. You will find Twinkle's functionality when you click on a "diff", you will see options to "[rollback (AGF)] || [rollback] || [rollback (VANDAL)]". Rollback "AGF" is when you are reverting good faith edits, rollback "vandal" is for clear and obvious vandalism, and "rollback" is for anywhere in between. You should put a reason in the box explaining the revert if it's not plain vandalism. Click this, it is an example of a diff. Feel free to use Twinkle to roll it back. Qui is that little dot in the top right of your screen. –xenocidic (talk) 18:39, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I am using firefox. Neither the twinkle options under "diff" nor the green dot is appearing. Washburnmav (talk) 18:43, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

You pressed Ctrl-Shift-R to reset the cache? This is what to click for the test diff. What version of FF? –xenocidic (talk) 18:45, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
I did rese the cache multiple times. I'm using firefox 3.0. There are no twinkle options to speak of when I check that difference. Washburnmav (talk) 18:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Hrm, I just upgraded to FF3 and it's working for me. Perhaps consider installing the modules manually? See Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts/Scripts/Twinkle/doc#Installing individual Twinkle modules. Try starting with just the first three modules. –xenocidic (talk) 19:04, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Just to confirm, Image:TW-rback.gif is what it will look like should it work. –xenocidic (talk) 19:09, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Tried the manual install, still having nothing working. Definitely do not see the twinkle tools. Argh don't spend too much time on this I'll figure it out. Washburnmav (talk) 19:20, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Quite strange. You've got multiple morebits in there, only need it once, at the top. Try taking off Qui and see if that fixes Twinkle. Then close the browser, re-open, press Ctrl-Shift-R and see if you can see the rollback buttons. –xenocidic (talk) 19:21, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

John Lennon

Hello, just to say that although you removed my report on the vandalism report page, the vandalism is still there, despite me refreshing it / clearing cache, does this mean the report should be re-filed? because I can't edit the vandalised pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Revelation13 (talk • contribs) 18:23, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not seeing it on my end - where exactly is it? –xenocidic (talk) 18:26, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

::it's a floating "Avril rocks my socks" message, signed by "the avril troll" - I'm using firefox, it may be unrecognised by IE due to bad coding, Fire fox seems to render even imperfect coding... maybe I'm wrong but it's an idea. Revelation13 (talk) 18:30, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

- Scratch that, I've just reloaded the page to get an exact quote and it seems to have been removed.

Thanks for the help. -Revelation13 (talk) 18:30, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem - thanks. –xenocidic (talk) 18:31, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

RE: User:38.117.139.174 - Your Message

(Re [31]) I didn't login because I wanted to reconfirm the I.P. Address used. I don't have any desire anymore to contribute to Wikipedia. Nevertheless, I did inform you of the I.P. sharing. I suspect it's a Summer Associate or some other individual who is irresponsible with editing. I wasn't.--38.117.139.174 (talk) 21:04, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

You know you want one too...

The Special Barnstar
Yes, my friend, I can't not give you one can I? For being an awesome Wikipedian, who's done such a lot for this encyclopedia...enjoy...:) Lradrama 21:57, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
You're welcome! I actually think your work here is great you know! I'm not just giving you this because you butted into my interaction with Keeper. So, feel chuffed ;) ;) Lradrama 22:00, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
hehe...did you take a look at his barnchive? It's hilarious. –xenocidic (talk) 22:01, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes I did! Brilliant :). I was going to give you a humour barnstar for giving the link in your comment, but I thought you were an all-round legend, as it were. So, hence the special one. :) Lradrama 22:03, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
My reply here..
Aww thankyou so much! That is my first one since January I think...I don't know where I've gone wrong! Many thanks... legend ;) Lradrama 22:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
My reply here.
Thankyou. I appreciate your comments also :). You have made my day better too. My golly, we're bloomin' fantastic, me and thee, you gotta admit! Hehe ;) Lradrama 22:20, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
hehe =). –xenocidic (talk) 22:27, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Gratz on your barnstar... (I'm not really a jaguar...) - Adolphus79 (talk) 22:23, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
zomg a WikiJaguar! –xenocidic (talk) 22:24, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
What the hell?!?!? This isn't my talk page... help, I'm lost! - Adolphus79 (talk) 22:25, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

New C&C template dispute

Seems there is a new template dispute going on. Since you're a proponent of the template's current revision, I thought you might want to have your say.

The discussion is being held here. Kalamrir (talk) 22:02, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Hrm, I'm not sure I'd go that far, the last time I edited the template it looked like this. But I'll try to form an opinion. –xenocidic (talk) 22:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Block IP?

Sorry I don't know the proper avenues for block request but this ip User talk:206.213.40.100 has not stopped vandalizing despite the proper warning protocols. How do I request blocks properly in the future? Thanks Washburnmav (talk) 22:21, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

If someone continues disruptive edits even after final warning, file a report at WP:AIV - Adolphus79 (talk) 22:24, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Adolphus is correct here, WP:AIV is a good way to get many administrator eyes on one particular vandal. For this particular IP however, he hasn't edited in over half an hour and as far as IPs go that's what we would call "stale". They need to be active at the time ( I usually say within the last 20 minutes, but it's up to each admin's personal judgment ). Did you get Twinkle sorted yet? The "ARV" system is a really easy way to report vandals to AIV. –xenocidic (talk) 22:25, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Ok Thanks good to know. No I've hit a dead end with QUI and with twinkle.Washburnmav (talk) 02:49, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:WP:HAU

(Re [32]) I've resigned from the Project because I'll be busy editing at other Wikis as well as Wikipedia (Including Wikisource). Kathleen.wright5 01:09, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

AWB and the Mac

(Re [33]) I was just informed by Lightmouse that my application is futile, since the bot won't run on my Macintosh computer. I've never used the Windows-emulation function (I've heard it exists, but that it's not ideal). Sounds like a lot of fusss. If this information is correct, I do object to the absence of information about this the page; if it's wrong, please revert my edit there. Tony (talk) 02:35, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
Ah, sorry: thanks. I'll withdraw my application again. When is it happening for the Mac? Tony (talk) 02:41, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
My reply here.
When Mono/WINE get themselves sorted out.. As an aside, im sure (like 99% sure) there was someone with a mac, running it fine.. Cant remember who or how —Reedy 09:41, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: le barnstar!

(Re [34]) Thankyou!! =D

—Reedy 09:40, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

RE: Thanks

(Re [35]) Hi there,

Approving your ACC request wasn't a problem :). Also, no problem regarding those comments, I was starting to learn about it, and found out that you're not supposed to vote like you said, but leave comments in favour/opposition, to state a reason why. Also, I've had worse comments from people, though they were a little puzzled by calling me an administrator! :D

Have a great day,

The Helpful One (Review) 14:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
You can get admin if you want, as you are an admin here. There are no "set in stone rules" for becoming an admin on the ACC tool - but I would probably get used to the user part of the interface for a while before requesting for admin. When you want admin, just ask me, or any of the other admins on the ACC tool, or join #wikipedia-en-accounts on irc.freenode.net (if you use IRC). The Helpful One (Review) 14:35, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
My reply [36].

O.o

500-1000 edits are requested for a tool is "no more momentous than installing Twinkle"? Is this the norm at RfR? (And sorry if I come off a bit abrupt.) —Giggy 11:21, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

The norm (AFAIK) is that it's not given to brand new accounts with no history of vandal fighting... The suggested edit count was to ensure he didnt go revert 5 vandalisms and re-apply. (and abrupt reply for an abrupt question! ;>) –xenocidic (talk) 12:12, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Shrug. I'd be giving it to anyone who could find the page; removal is trivially easy. But that's just me. —Giggy 03:29, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
shrug, I'd prefer not to let loose dozens of revert-happy huggle warriors who don't know what they're doing and might use it to revert good faith edits. and having a rollback removal is far more damaging to someone's reputation than having an RFR denial. –xenocidic (talk) 11:28, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Joel Kass

Need your help again, this time on this composer here, where I've stumbled into another long-going edit-war. After getting involved into a revert war with several Users, IP's and possibly some sock-puppets I've listed the article at WP:RFPP for full-protection. The request took some time to be handled, and in the meantime I've checked the talk page (where reverting and edit-warring is seemingly also rather the way to go...) I decided that I should actually nominate the article for deletion as HOAX.

Copied from article talk page (from myself): On my request, this article has been protected due to heavy edit-warring. (Of course in the wrong version, but I don't care). But this discussions here and some googling (Zero hits for "Nacht Der Tanz" outside WP, Opus 114 is from Brahms, opus 711 doesn't exist...), the fact that Nacht Der Tanz isn't proper german (should say "Nacht des Tanzes" or "Der Tanz der Nacht" or similar) and the fact that the subject probably doesn't even know german makes me think that the accusation of this being a hoax might be true. Also, there are way to many sock-puppets involved in these discussions.

Unfortunatelly, the article has now been protected in the meantime. Can you open up an Rfd debate for me please? --PaterMcFly (talk) 14:17, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

It looks like someone beat you to it. It would be best if you made your arguments at the existing AFD. –xenocidic (talk) 14:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh, just saw it. The afd wasn't linked from the page (due to the lock) and he also forgot to list it in todays deletion log, therefore, I didn't find it. Thanks anyway. --PaterMcFly (talk) 14:33, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

<--If the things on the talkpage are true (hoax, Zionist/anti-Palestinian claims), that AFD/article are both gonna get really messy with socks/ANI/DRV...just a fair warning to avoid it if you don't want to get too ridiculously involved. That article has been here over 3 years, I believe it was or is a GA. My money's on ANI first...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:40, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

If you're talking to me, "my work here is done" ! LOL. –xenocidic (talk) 14:41, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Uh, oh... Why do I always stumble into these? O-o I'm not yet so very used to all the english wp terms you're referring to now (my "home" is the german WP). ANI is the Administrator Noticeboard- Ok can happen, but what are DRV and GA? WP:GA does certainly not apply on this one... (well, maybe because it's a good hoax?) --PaterMcFly (talk) 14:56, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
DRV is "deletion review" (keeper thinks the socks will appeal the deletion if successful). he also thinks this araticle was/or used to be a good article. –xenocidic (talk) 15:04, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh, I know this procedure: Afd Request->Article deleted->Further Discussion on deleting admin's talk page->Deletion review. If that still fails one can recreate a C&P-Version of the article->Speedy->Deletion review->Sockpuppetry etc... Not so very funny for the admins involved ;-) --PaterMcFly (talk) 20:14, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Your summary is spot on PaterMcFly, (and therefore, funny :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:16, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Rollback

What are you feelings about me being eligible for rollback? I think my contribs show a good understanding of what vandalism is and a strong commitment to reverting it. Washburnmav (talk) 19:00, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Right, I saw your request at RFR... It's probably still a little early, you've less than 500 edits. Most admins look for at least a week or two of solid vandal fighting; that being said, it's going to be tough if you can't sort out your Twinkle issue because you'll have to do manual undo vandal fighting. Do you have javascript disable or something? Try posting for help at WT:TW. –xenocidic (talk) 19:04, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Rollback

(Re [37]) They messed up the system but I looked back and and assumed that if they didn't have anything productive to put towards it, why would they say it in the first place. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 02:07, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

User:Hersfold/StatusTemplate

...is now fully WP:HAU compatible; it had some issues with it before, mainly self-centered ones because I didn't expect someone to go advertising it with a bot. :-P Anyway, I have made some changes to it to improve the usage and accessibility, and while I think it's fully tested, please let me know if you notice anyone having problems with it. Since your bot sent out the message, they may come to you first, regardless of who made the template. Good work on all that, to you and all others involved! Hersfold (t/a/c) 04:36, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Nice! I've been sending people to it for some time now, but yea, first time it's been mentioned in a P.S.A. =) –xenocidic (talk) 11:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Image question

Hi. Is it "done" to put a category on an empty image page, when the image is hosted at commons? This is out of my usual neighborhood, but a user placed a copyright tag on Image:Nixon greets POW McCain.jpg, so I've been investigating that. The image was deleted on Wikipedia in October of 2006. I thought it had been re-uploaded, but, no, it only looks like it's here because somebody has added a category. This may be fine and dandy, but as I do practically nothing with images (aside from what I've been learning at WP:CP, I don't know. The image is already in that category on commons, but for all I know the duplication may be necessary to make it list here. And if you don't know, I'll ask elsewhere, but I thought I'd give it a shot. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:46, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

That's a good question. I've no idea =) –xenocidic (talk) 12:31, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
So I feared, but you never know who is going to be the keeper of what piece of esoteric knowledge. :D I'll look around to figure out who else to ask. (As an aside, it looks like Commons has more of a backlog on deletions than we do! That image has been listed since May 11. :O) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:43, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
The answer is here.

Statusbot/QUI...

I was adding myself to the listings at WP:CVU, just following the instructions there... would QUI do the same thing? - Adolphus79 (talk) 18:48, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Not quite. It looks like everything is still referencing the StatusBot pages. Whoever runs that page is going to have to come up with a new method. –xenocidic (talk) 18:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
eh... I added myself to the cat, and got QUI loaded, good enough... thanks... - Adolphus79 (talk) 19:03, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
No problem... I left a message on the talk page of that task force asking them to sort it out. But it looks pretty inactive to me. –xenocidic (talk) 19:04, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
OK, I tried to steal your status idea, and I think I failed... could you take a look and tell me what I did wrong? - Adolphus79 (talk) 00:31, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
My friend Xeno/Archive 6,

I offer you this frosty pint of homebrew, for all
the advice/help/support/etc. you have given me... Prost!
Adolphus79 (talk)

Hey, it's a start, right? - 03:59, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Sweet - a beer ! My first drinkable award ;> P.S. Using "{{-}}" is a bit of a more elegant way to clear text below elements like that. –xenocidic (talk) 12:35, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
fine, use the raw code... all that coding for my own award template and he goes and steals the code itself! bah... drink yer beer and enjoy... - Adolphus79 (talk) 13:28, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
heh, I subst'ed it to harvest the code for my awards page =) –xenocidic (talk) 13:31, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
what is this? codeswap? I steal your status coding so you steal my award coding in return? (hint: it's just modified UBX code... LOL)... - Adolphus79 (talk) 14:58, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
lol, that's not what I meant at all. just that I added the beer to my awards page! heh –xenocidic (talk) 15:00, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
sure, sure... - Adolphus79 (talk) 15:49, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I just had an idea... do you think there is any way to build a timer into the QUI code that checks the date/time of your last edit and changes your status based on that?
e.g. check every 2 minutes...
last edit less than 5 minutes ago = online,
last edit 5-30 minutes ago = busy,
last edit 30-120 minutes ago = sleep,
last edit >120 minutes ago = offline
Adolphus79 (talk) 18:59, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

bump? - Adolphus79 (talk) 19:44, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Oops, I missed this. You should ask TheDJ... I've no idea. –xenocidic (talk) 19:46, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Bah! your inability to answer any question that any user may ask you at anytime has casued me to lose faith in you... you shall recieve no more page stalking, and no more homebrew, from me ever again!
ok, maybe I'll just get over it and go ask TheDJ... - Adolphus79 (talk) 19:54, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
heh. it's a great idea though. I think i asked him something along these lines, but not quite. –xenocidic (talk) 19:56, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

RFA

Hi there. I responded to your question at my RFA located here. Thanks, D.M.N. (talk) 21:19, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

k, thanks for letting me know. –xenocidic (talk) 22:52, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

(Re [38])

I do like to contribute at ANI even if it's a short comment just to help in a discussion. It's not that my ANI contributions are bad, it's that one or two topics I took to ANI which was unnecessary. D.M.N. (talk) 18:33, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Template substitution

What exactly do you do to get AWB to substitute the templates? I can't figure it out. Thanks for the help, « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 00:09, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

You just enable find & replace and paste the templates you want substituted into the Template substitution box each on a new line. –xenocidic (talk) 00:11, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I got that. Next? « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 00:27, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Then you just build the list, start it, and it should work... It doesn't automatically recognize a template's redirects, or if they person typed Template: or not. (Most people don't so, I just put it without the "Template:". –xenocidic (talk) 00:29, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
  • What I don't understand is that the AWB page says "This page contains templates that AWB will automatically substitute on user talk pages.". But having to paste all those templates in the box and correct for such things as Template: or no template and the redirects doesn't seem very automatic to me. Maybe I'm doing things the hard way, so I'm going to ask Reedy to chime in here. –xenocidic (talk) 00:34, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
OK. How exactly do you "build the list?" « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 00:36, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
"what transcludes page" and paste the templates into the field separated by p|pes. don't bother trying now though, addbot got most of them, and then xenobot got whatever stragglers were left over. you'll only find about 6 or 7 and those are in archives and such. –xenocidic (talk) 00:37, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Heh. Its loads easier than that for the user talk ones. Cant remember off the top of my head, as i've only just got up. I'll get something to eat and then check the instructions, and post them here/on the user manual for you! —Reedy 08:19, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Make a list of user talk pages, make sure general fixes are enabled, and on the first run through, it will load the templates to be subsituted, and take it from there. The Find and Replace Template Substitution is just for other ones you might want to do (but you dont need this). Hope this helps! —Reedy 09:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
wow, so I was definitely doing it the hard way. thanks for clearing that up. –xenocidic (talk) 11:07, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Heh, no worries. Just needs adding to the manual (need to remember to do it) —Reedy 14:15, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I can try and fix that up. Would it be possible to add what was substed to the edit summary the way other find&replaces do? –xenocidic (talk) 14:16, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Also could you add a "skip if no template substituted" option to "general fixes skip options"? That would be great. –xenocidic (talk) 14:46, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the manual. Lets see about the other stuff... Edit summary and skip if no templates subst'd... Both should be possible, will have a look when i come back —Reedy 18:11, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem, I'll try and help with the manual wherever I can. –xenocidic (talk) 18:21, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
As a thought, seeing as that substiution is a general fix, it should skip on the skip if only general fixes changed, tbh. —Reedy 18:41, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
True, but the reason I asked is because I want to be able to avoid making only minor (insignificant) general fixes if it doesn't find/recognize a template to subst. –xenocidic (talk) 18:45, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
But the chances are, IHMO, you'd just be processing just user talk... It doesnt apply other general fixes to user talk pages. —Reedy 19:34, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Excellent. Thanks for clearing that up for me. –xenocidic (talk) 19:36, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, you are right i think. We want to skip IF no user talk templates are subst'd, tying it in with the "skip if only general fixes changed", would mean, that if only they were subst'd it would change. rev 3079/rev 3080 - Added an option on the "Skip Options" form. lolz... I'll look into the edit summary bit later! —Reedy 20:52, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah yes, good point! See you had me all confused there =) I'll grab the new SVN and test it out. –xenocidic (talk) 21:13, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Just uploading a snapshot of 3080 now. Seems to work fine —Reedy 21:28, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Cool. Hopefully the task gets approved for my bot and I can put it into production. –xenocidic (talk) 21:29, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
=). Just thinking over it again.. Dya think its worth having the option to skip if only general fixes in aswell for user talk substing..? It would make sense (i think), as the user could turn it off, but if were doing other user page work... —Reedy 21:59, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure I follow? –xenocidic (talk) 22:02, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Lol. I think im talking crap. I'll just leave it how it is now - the user can tell the program to skip if no templates have been substituted by the general fixes. —Reedy 22:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I'll probably understand what you mean when I load 'er up and get some work done with the new option. Of course if a kindly BAG member were to review my bot's completed trial... <nudge> ;> –xenocidic (talk) 22:13, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the subst

Thanks to substituting the template at User talk:Vetoeyou. I knew I was supposed to do that, I just forgot. Kingdon (talk) 16:14, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

no worries! –xenocidic (talk) 16:39, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Article Deletion

A few weeks back, Orangemike deleted Plymouth Rock Studios on the account that it was unnotable. I disagreed with him and asked him to take a second look at his decision and he never responded. I think that it is notable because of the fact that it is the only company building a movie and television studio east of the Mississippi. It also exists today and is known locally. Basically I want to revive the article with the wording on it so I don't have to make a whole new one. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 18:22, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Userfied to User:Ktr101/Plymouth Rock Studios. If you can make it meet inclusion criteria, the previous article should probably be restored before you paste the "new version" due to multiple GFDL-significant contributors. –xenocidic (talk) 18:26, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Twinkle/QUI

Twinkle & QUI just randomly decided to start working today. Can you explain more in depth the difference between the undo tool and the rollback options twinkle provides? ThanksWashburnmav (talk) 19:08, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Rollback will allow you to roll back all the consecutive edits by a particular edit. So say they vandalized by making 6 different edits, you could roll all of them back. there's three different rollbacks, "AGF" should be used whenever the editor may have been trying in a good-faith way to improve the article but "fails" (twinkle prompts for an edit summary), rollback "vandal" should only be used for blatant vandalism and doesn't bother asking you for an extra edit summary. rollback (just rollback) should be used for anything in between and a descriptive edit summary should be used. glad they're working now, it will be much easier to justify giving you rollback with some solid vandal fighting under your belt. –xenocidic (talk) 19:14, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

RTV work

[39] You can go ahead with this task. Gimmetrow 23:06, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

thank you

thank you for helping me 66.142.7.6 (talk) 02:32, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

no problem. you should consider creating an account if you truly desire to contribute to the encyclopedia. –xenocidic (talk) 02:33, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

i thought i already have account? isnt that what lets me edit? 66.142.7.6 (talk) 02:35, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

No...anyone can edit without creating an account. Click here to create an account. –xenocidic (talk) 02:37, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

so like this? I said wat wat (talk) 02:43, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes... –xenocidic (talk) 02:44, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

thank you! will we be friends now? 02:45, 12 July 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by I said wat wat (talk • contribs)

Sure, I'd be happy to answer any questions you have about contributing. –xenocidic (talk) 02:46, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
i have a lot of reading to do. thank youI said wat wat (talk) 02:48, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
No problem. happy editing, –xenocidic (talk) 02:49, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

question

i was reading a page on the thingy on my talk page, about puppets. it says that if people work together and share the same computer that it will look bad. i have co worker that is on this site a lot. i dont want to get him in trouble. it says to say on the user page, but what do i need to say so no one gets in trouble? thanks in advance I said wat wat (talk) 02:58, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't worry about it too much. Does he edit a lot? You could always just put a link on your user page, something like... "Associates: (so and so) (co-worker)". As long as you guys aren't intentionally helping each other to stack votes in a debate, I doubt it will be an issue. –xenocidic (talk) 03:00, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
okay. i see him make changes some times and read a lot. i dont want to vote on anything since i dont really know much yet. thank you! I said wat wat (talk) 03:01, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
You could also tell your co-worker to create his own account, and make sure either of you are logged in when editing... then just make a note that while you share an IP, you are two different users... - Adolphus79 (talk) 04:29, 12 July 2008 (UTC)


My talk page

Why did you put a speedy deletion tag on my Udser page??EMT1871 (talk) 11:51, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

A user put a speedy deletion tag on a userbox of his that you were using. Since you were the only one using the userbox, I substed it, and then removed the speedy tag before deleting the userbox. Sorry for the inconvenience. –xenocidic (talk) 13:08, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

El nido foundation

Hello. I recently wrote the article "El nido foundation", which was marked for deletion a few days after. I guess I didn't realize how fast the deletion would happen (I'm new at Wikipedia, and I thought I had time to add stuff to the article so it won't be deleted). Anyway, it had been deleted a couple of days ago. I want to submit a more comprehensive article that I hope would be worth being included in Wikipedia. Will I be allowed to do this? If I will be allowed to do so, can I please get a copy of the most recent edit on the topic? Thanks.

Ferdie (talk) 11:10, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Re:Just curious...

(Re [40]) Simple. I believe Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and i also believe having links of trailers and such in all articles violates "Wikipedia is not a mirror for external link" which is addressed here here. If people want to see trailers they can search using search engines like google, ask jeeves and many others. Anyways this is what i see. If you were having problems with me removing trailers you can add them back and i can also add plenty of trailers in all articles and we all be filling links with trailers and such. Easy isn't? :). Any more questions brother?. --SkyWalker (talk) 13:45, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
That is just filefront spam. I wonder if they paying them to add such links. Iam just getting tired this sort of spam. In all most all gaming articles new users comes and add filefront trailers. If people eagerly wanting to see this sort of trailers they can go to the site and view it. Instead of adding 5 to 10 filefront links in each article. Even Call of Duty 4 had such link but it was removed by other users. --SkyWalker (talk) 13:55, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
My reply here.
I think such trailers should be there just few days. Nowdays media is there everywhere. It is available in official site, youtube and such. Don't you think people like me removing link of such is good for wikipedia :P. --SkyWalker (talk) 14:05, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
My reply here.
I too use external links for further reading but this trailers are for like 4 to 5 mins and with only few info on it. Also if they go to official site they can find trailers on it. That is why i also remove it. Btw do you know how to history merge?. --SkyWalker (talk) 14:16, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

←My reply here.

Here is the list:-
Can you do this?. --SkyWalker (talk) 14:30, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
My reply here.
Thanks for helping out. --SkyWalker (talk) 17:03, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

(Re [41])

My reply here.

Not all Wikipedia editors are honest

Something to keep in mind in discussions. For example, an editor might try to justify his or her behavior by citing 'threats' or other incidents that just didn't ever happen. Which is why we require editors to back up such claims with diffs. We must assume good faith absent evidence to the contrary, but that does not require us to pretend that all editors actually will edit in good faith. Dlabtot (talk) 15:52, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Hrm, I'm a little confused - what prompted this? –xenocidic (talk) 16:33, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

New sig

Would you mind changing your sig a bit? The pale grey colour really is very pale. I've seen it on a couple of different monitors now and it's very difficult to notice, let alone read. Of course, if you just want readers to see xeno-something, feel free to ignore me. SHEFFIELDSTEELTALK 17:35, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

I've been gradually phasing out the "cidic" part because "xenocidic" translated literally in other languages is potentially divisive/offensive. Eventaully my sig will just read as follows: –xeno (talk) 17:39, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Okidoki. Sorry to trouble you. SHEFFIELDSTEELTALK 17:55, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Not at all. If you're interested in seeing the gradiation process I used, see User talk:Xenocidic/RFA#Response. –xenocidic (talk) 17:57, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks 2

Thanks for that revert on my talkpage and the block.:D--Xp54321 (Hello! • Contribs) 17:41, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem. –xenocidic (talk) 17:46, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

My RFA Thanks

Thank you for your support at my RFA, which as you already know, closed successfully. Heck, you even knew about it before me! However, as is traditional in these things, the candidate sends round a thank you template. But as my HTML skills aren't brilliant (way to go, admitting it now...), I thought a hand-typed, tailor-made message for each participant would be nicer. And a terser one would be better too, I realise now, having spent a few minutes typing this one, and I still have over fifty to go. Why didn't I ask Balloonman for help on that...? Seriously though, your support throughout the RFA was greatly appreciated. StephenBuxton (talk) 20:54, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

The lulz - after my RFA I decided to send out both a hand typed AND a templated greeting... and I had more participants than you. my fingers were tired after that =\ –xenocidic (talk) 20:59, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Account Creator

How do i put in a request to become a Account Creator? thankyou. Electrical Experiment (talk) 23:11, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Hrm, not quite sure about that one. You could create an account at the account creator toolserver here: http://stable.toolserver.org/acc/index.php. I think ACC is handed out on a case by case basis by contacting individual admins. I don't know enough about it right now to hand it out. –xenocidic (talk) 23:16, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
I thought only Bureaucrats could change User Accesses levels. Electrical Experiment (talk) 23:19, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Admins can grant rollback, account creator and IP block exempt. –xenocidic (talk) 23:20, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Ok so whats IP Block exempt? Electrical Experiment (talk) 23:22, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
I gather it allows you to edit despite your IP being blocked, for example, if your school's IP was hard blocked, you would still be able to edit. –xenocidic (talk) 23:25, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
ok--Electrical Experiment (talk) 23:27, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

The policy on granting ACC is here: Wikipedia:New admin school/Granting and revoking accountcreator, I gather that if you were participating in the account creation process and regularly hitting the throttle, you could ask for it. –xenocidic (talk) 23:30, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank-you Electrical 00:06, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

divcols

Uh, {{colbegin}} does what {{divcols}} does, but more ;) And I just created it a few weeks ago, to boot! :) Gary King (talk) 03:30, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Does it default to 2 columns? –xenocidic (talk) 03:32, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Nope, defaults to one column, which I guess is a bit pointless. Gary King (talk) 03:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Slightly! Make it default to 2 columns. Eliminating the need for the "colend" template with my little hack would be nice too. And divcols is such an easier to remember name (and much shorter!). I'd be willing to get mine out of the way if you can make the functionality the same. –xenocidic (talk) 03:40, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Defaults to 2 columns now. What little hack? You're just using a </div>. divcols is not easy for people who don't know what a div is ;) The current name is based off of {{refbegin}}. It does the exact same thing, but does not resize the text. Gary King (talk) 03:42, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
when paramater 1 = "end" , </div>. –xenocidic (talk) 03:43, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Ah; seems more difficult to remember. Gary King (talk) 03:45, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
look, this one predates both of us by a few months! Template:Div col (guess he thinks like me) –xenocidic (talk) 03:46, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

That is sheer greatness!

Thanks for the "branding", Xeno! Will the wonders of WP:AN/K never cease? S. Dean Jameson 04:10, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

heh, no problem =) yea, that's my humble contribution to "wiki humour". –xenocidic (talk) 04:11, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Delete selected revisions

Thanks! So if you would, please delete the sandbox, and then restore it without the first two edits made. Cheers, -- iMatthew T.C. 14:51, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

 Done –xenocidic (talk) 14:52, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks so much! -- iMatthew T.C. 14:56, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Anytime. –xenocidic (talk) 14:59, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

How do I add a line similar to this

Xenocidic (talk • contribs • blocks • protects • deletions • moves • rights)--ChiragPatnaik (talk) 14:56, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Hrm, something like ChiragPatnaik (talk · contribs · count · logs · page moves · block log) ? ( {{user6|ChiragPatnaik}} ). You can pick one you like from the documentation page at Template:User. –xenocidic (talk) 14:58, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
tx ChiragPatnaik (talk) 15:22, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Neverwinter Nights 2: Storm of Zehir

I've undone this edit of yours, as, whatever the IP's history (I haven't yet checked), it seems pretty clearly in the right here; even if it weren't for the fact that the entire section in question was apparently cut & pasted verbatim from this press release, that article was clearly wildly POV and borderline spam. – iridescent 17:41, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough, that seems reasonable. I just rolled back their edit history because they were trolling other users, assumed their other edits would be unconstructive as well. –xenocidic (talk) 17:44, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Regarding this, would you be able to have a word to explain to Xp just what he did that was wrong here, as I suspect he won't listen to anything I say given our history? Yes, the IP vandalised his talkpage - but it only started vandalising after he huggled a perfectly valid edit it made and mistakenly warned it for vandalism. Whatever he might think, I don't stalk his & his friends's contributions looking for reasons to block – but the same names keep coming up again and again with regards to misuse of automated tools. – iridescent 18:02, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
Sure thing. –xenocidic (talk) 18:07, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
In regards to this user i would strongly suggest that a block was not necessary, they were both out of line and if you take note, the user had only one valid warning. We a discussing this on IRC as this seems incredibly unfair to the IP user who only broke the rules, received 1 valid warning after having his perfectly constructive edits reverted multiple times.   «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l»  (talk) 08:55, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
  • The IP was blocked based on these edits: [42], [43], [44], [45]. Even their first good faith-ish edit removed a great deal of content, the reflist, the templates, the categories and the interwiki links and was done without an edit summary so I can understand why it was considered vandalism. And if you look at the timeline, this edit went through without a hitch and was left on the article, and over 20 minutes later the IP comes back to vandalize XP's talk page without provocation. I think it's a good block. The huggle-reverting debatably good faith edits issue is tertiary and something that's not under my control. –xenocidic (talk) 16:26, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
    • Agree with Prom (although that "We are discussing this on IRC" has just torpedoed any future RFanything); the IP only vandalised Xp's talkpage after Xp reverted its valid edit. "Thus, when done without an edit summary would certainly look like a typical "chop off the bottom half of the page" vandalism at quick glance" (from your post to my talkpage) sums up the problem with the editcount-racer mentality in a nutshell. If all they're giving an edit is "a quick glance" before they start throwing Huggle-generated warning tags about, they should have their toy taken away from them. – iridescent 16:40, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
      • But how can anyone divine the intent of an editor who just removes a tonne of contents without an edit summary? And what of the fact that Xp actually helped him out telling him how to use an edit summary and when the IP finally got it right, the edit was left up, and then over 20 minutes later the IP comes back to vandalize Xp's talk page for no apparent reason? –xenocidic (talk) 16:48, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
So um...am I in trouble or not?--Xp54321 (Hello! • Contribs) 17:00, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
I think you're in the clear - imo the first edit was debatably good faith but also easily mistaken for vandalism because it had no edit summary and removed the reflist, cats, templates, and iw links. We're just discussing the block at this point. The other edits you reverted were vandalism, and once the IP finally "got it right" the edit was left up there and then he decided to come back and harass you 20 minutes later. –xenocidic (talk) 17:03, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
(ec) Sorry, and while I'm giving benefit of the doubt to Xp here in some ways (in light of the number of final warnings he's received, he's lucky in some ways not to be blocked himself, or at the very least stripped of rollback), but the original diff in question was undoubtedly a valid edit. Yes, the IP took out the categories – but reading the deleted material, from the "gripping" in the first paragraph to the blatant advertising in the deleted paragraphs, makes it very clear that this was a legitimate removal of content, not a page blanking. I have great respect for Huggle as a tool when it's used properly (if you were following my talkpage in June you no doubt know my opinions on the matter). I have no respect at all for the editcount racers who don't bother to read what they're reverting. As Prom will know very well, since a similar issue came up regarding his own edits, and there are now no problems from him, it is perfectly possible to use Huggle for the purpose for which Gurch intended it (Only be used to undo edits that are blatantly nonproductive, such as vandalism, including edits that are obscenities, gibberish, extremely poorly worded content, smart-aleck editorial comments, and other useless remarks that have nothing to do with the subject), and not to revert edits if there is any doubt about whether an edit should be rolled back. (That "if in any doubt" warning comes up both when Huggle is installed and whenever it's run, so it's impossible to plead ignorance). – iridescent 17:05, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Mmmmmh.. it was 31 hour block. The ip made a few good edits but vandalized quite a few times as well, based on your diffs. IMO the block should have been shorter, 8-24 hours.But I'm no admin,;)--Xp54321 (Hello! • Contribs) 17:08, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
(to irid) Fair enough, and we've already censured Xp for that, and I gather he's taking steps to address the concern (namely, slowing down). But are you saying that the IPs vandalism and harassing actions after that revert are justified? Especially the fact that once he finally got it right, and his edit was left alone, he still came back to harass Xp? –xenocidic (talk) 17:10, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

←Suggestion to everyone:

  1. The block is due to expire in a few hours anyway;
  2. I've put the page in question into a (hopefully) stable and valid condition;
  3. Five hours after the block expires, the IP will drop off the Huggle warning-counter so will stop having its edits targeted;
  4. Everyone who did anything wrong here has been more than adequately warned;
  5. The page in question is probably one of the least-read articles in the mainspace;
  6. The IP, Xp, and the article in question are all no doubt going to be watched over the next few days;

then is there really any purpose served in continuing this conversation? I'm quite sure all four parties involved have something better they could be getting on with. – iridescent 17:39, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I just find it troubling that you are seeming to condone the IPs harassment of Xp long after the fact and I also consider this to be a very valid block. Nevertheless, I've shortened the block to 24 hours (which has passed). –xenocidic (talk) 17:47, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
Great....I'm on Big Brother's watchlist again.:P(joke)--Xp54321 (Hello! • Contribs) 17:49, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Oops

I didn't read the small print and was about to revert myself. Thanks for doing it for me and apologies again. Mathsci (talk) 16:15, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem. –xenocidic (talk) 16:15, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

re from usertalk wbjscribe

(Re [46]) thankyou i thought that just a page divider ElectricalExperiment 18:01, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

No, the minimum time is so that the person whose username is being usurped has time to object. –xenocidic (talk) 18:05, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
thanksElectricalExperiment 18:11, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

User:USEDfan

Hi, I was wondering if you could hep me out regarding thies user. He has been coming back with multiple socks on a daily basis. The two admins that deal with him usually are offline. He is editing as we speak as User:Dr Donut D He is somehow getting around the protection of the used template and everything. It is obvious it is his sock, he is making the edits of all his other socks word for word. Thanks, Landon1980 (talk) 04:04, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Whilst I was reviewing it, it looks like seicer took care of it. –xenocidic (talk) 04:09, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I was getting ready to tell you that :-). Anyways, thanks for your time. Landon1980 (talk) 04:10, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
No problem. As I'm not familiar with the case, I was probably just going to block for edit warring (he was close to violating 3RR on the template) and let someone more familiar deal with it when they got back. But looks like everything peachy now. –xenocidic (talk) 04:12, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Peachy for now, but I'm sure he will be back. He is quite determined to implement his changes by any means necessary. I used to think I wanted to be an admin one day when I was experienced enough, but after seeing what you guys put up with I just don't know. I'm not sure if I have the patience for it. Landon1980 (talk) 04:22, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, at least now I know how to identify him per WP:DUCK. Let me know if you can't find the regular wranglers next time he shows up. –xenocidic (talk) 04:23, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Xeno!

(Re [47]) What a quick and clear response. Thank you so much for your assistance Xeno! It will take me a bit to understand all the 'wikipediaism' so I do appreaciate your guidence.

Best Regards, Rtellone (talk) 04:16, 14 July 2008 (UTC)R TEllone

Any time, my door is always open. I'm off for the night - good luck with the article. –xenocidic (talk) 04:22, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Admin Coaching

Hi, We're moving onto deletion if your interested (in admin coaching). I also wanted to say I hope you didn't take my comments about a recent block the wrong way...   «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l»  (talk) 12:18, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

no, but if you review the timeline I think you'll understand why the block was perfectly justified. The IP's first edit could be mistaken for vandalism, and then he proceeding to do a whole whack of vandalism, finally he made the original good faith edit properly, which was left up on the article. 24 minutes later, he comes back to harass Xp for no apparent reason. that's unacceptable behaviour. –xenocidic (talk) 12:20, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
discussing stuff like this off-wiki is also a bad idea. –xenocidic (talk) 14:28, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Again

Hey Xenocidic thanks for all the help with name changeing and everthing else. Your really cool. If I could make up a "Favorite Admin" Barnstar I would give it to you, but unfortunatley I dont have that kind of time. See you around.--Ezekiel 7:19 †alk 12:50, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

heh =) no problem - enjoy the new name. –xenocidic (talk) 12:51, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

RE: what the heck?

(Re [48]) Hmmm, that's interesting. I wonder if you've checked "ignore spoof test"? I think that will fix it. weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 14:00, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
Heehee, no problem ;) weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 14:26, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia Formatting Query

Question: Were the following edits appropriate? Or do corresponding locations in lists not get linked internally? Washburnmav (talk) 15:19, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

It looks fine to me... I'm not sure if there's any guideline that speaks to that. –xenocidic (talk) 15:22, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

SWOS

Hi. I see you acted on this at Talk:Special Weapons and Operations Squad. Having read the article, I found it to be not only outdated and irrelevant but also badly written and incorrectly referenced (eg, click on footnotes 9 and 10). Some historical bits are worth keeping, maybe in the NSW Police article or elsewhere, but I think the article itself needs to be deleted. Elsewhere, here, I'm angling for the deletion of another similar article and its West Australian content to be merged into Western Australia Police. What think you? Cheers Bjenks (talk) 08:05, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

To be honest, I came to this article as a video gamer, (redirecting SWOS to Sensible World of Soccer instead) so I'm really not sure if the article on the former Aussie police agency should remain. Best of luck though. –xenocidic (talk) 00:11, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Admin coaching

Looks like we've been editing similar pages over the past few minutes. While I'm sure you'll be seeing this edit I just made, I wanted to get your thoughts on it, because it is quite straightforward for me and I don't want to come off as cruel to Prom or Bear. I feel strongly about that statement, but am unsure if the community would consider it innapropriate to make such a suggestion. I am always open to criticism and response. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 16:45, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I have a feeling that two things are going to happen (probably both) 1) Prom is going to upgrade himself to an indef block with the current trolling he's doing with unblock templates and/or 2) Bugbear is going to withdraw from coaching as well (as I have). I was Prom's adopter, and I thought I had instilled the principles of civility, maturity and responsibility into him, but apparently I have failed. –xenocidic (talk) 16:49, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, calling it a "failure" on your part is untrue, which is the main reason I suggested closing the program. I can categorically say that I don't know Prom's age, but will say that when it comes to basic levels of maturity, there are so many things that wikipedia, or an admin coaching program, can never teach a person. Certainly not everyone is ready for adminship, and I think the community needs to realize that not everyone is ready for admin coaching, and it's not uncivil to suggest that. Such unready editors get a false sense of "where they are at" in regards to mature roles such as becoming an admin, and the coaching program sets them up for failure, frustration, and almost a certain outlash when this is realized. It happens time and time again, and it's concerning. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 16:56, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
You know, Xeno, there are quite a few people on the list that are probably a lot closer to being ready for adminship... (hint hint, nudge nudge, wink wink, you know what I'm saying?) - Adolphus79 (talk) 17:38, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
I would never presume to be ready to coach someone on my own at this time (I'm barely a month an admin); I was only serving as the assistant coach for bugbear since Prom was my adoptee. As for your nudging and winking, I'd be happy to serve as assistant coach for you, should you find a head coach. –xenocidic (talk) 17:40, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
At the rate people are being removed from that list, that should be in, oh... about a year... LOL - Adolphus79 (talk) 17:47, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
{{sofixit}}! nothing stopping you from actively seeking a coach. =) –xenocidic (talk) 17:48, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
heh... I'm not concerned... I figure I'll get a coach when I get one... in the meantime, if I can learn as much as I can on my own, and have some of the experience already, it will make whoever's coaching job a little easier... - Adolphus79 (talk) 17:52, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

lern2wikipedia

(Re [49]) Thanks for pointing that out. Sorry for the confusion. :)<3 Tinkleheimer TALK!! 18:13, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Twinkle

If you get a chance could you reply to my twinkle question regarding preferences. Thanks Washburnmav (talk) 19:38, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Answered there. –xenocidic (talk) 19:51, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the help, and for the archives box. Washburnmav (talk) 20:00, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Anytime =) –xenocidic (talk) 20:02, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Also replied here.
Thanks! Its always nice (and disappointingly rare) to get positive feedback out here :) I appreciate the advice on the blanking, I'll be sure to remember that in the future. Looking forward to that rollback, Washburnmav (talk) 21:38, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

198.22.122.0/24

Can you unblock this IP range? I don't think it's fair that a whole IP range should be blocked just because it's owned by Best Buy. Eatpeaches (talk) 20:51, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Might be best if you contacted the blocking admin. –xenocidic (talk) 20:52, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

User talk:198.22.122.0/24

I wonder if it wouldn't make sense to keep those things for recording and explaining range blocks. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 21:23, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

It's doubtful anyone who's not a troll would know how to find them (unless we somehow linked to it from the block message for an individual IP), but feel free to recreate it if you think it's a good idea. I doubt Eatpeaches has anything to do with bestbuy, he's just trolling Ryulong. –xenocidic (talk) 21:25, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: ACC

(Re [50]) I created a account simular to that name and was from the same ip. and i accedtly clicked done, so I reset it to it came back as open, the defered it to admins because it was a second request in 24 hours ElectricalExperiment 21:13, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
I always watchlist the accounts ive created. ElectricalExperiment 21:17, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
My reply here.

User:Eatpeaches/Kate McAuliffe

Have you checked out Eatpeaches' first edit? Not 100% sure about a possible connection, but I mentioned it on the SSP case. Any idea which admins have dealt with this person before? GlassCobra 21:38, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

(crossposted), I'm not sure who Kate mcauliffe is/was/does. Not sure I've been involved in that one yet, but I'll take a looksee around..>Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 21:51, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Yea, I don't know the connection either. What I do know is that peaches is clearly trolling. –xenocidic (talk) 22:07, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, it seems that way. I did a bit of quick research, and it seems that this person was a pretty prolific troll in the early part of 2007. Since we can't do searches of usernames for a particular string, I had trouble tracking them down, but I left notes for Ryulong and DragonflySixtyseven, who have both dealt with this before. Hopefully we can get something worked out. GlassCobra 22:10, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
The account was indeed created by the Kate M. person - see [51]. –xenocidic (talk) 22:11, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
It's also quite clear that "peaches" is not Llamadog903. Anyone remove that ridiculousness from LL903's talk/user/rfa pages yet? Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 22:12, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes, that's all done. I'm figuring out how to close the SSP case now, if we want to discuss the peaches fellow we shouldn't do it on the same page. –xenocidic (talk) 22:16, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Case closed for realsies. :P I think {{SSPa}} is normally subst'd, from what I can tell. I put back DT's comment from his original close as well. GlassCobra 22:22, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
I dunno, if the KM stuff hasn't been ongoing it might be seen as punitive. You should really consult someone who knows more about the case, was the person banned, just usernameblocked, etc? –xenocidic (talk) 22:35, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
They didn't just get blocked because of one username: they created at least a hundred sockpuppets (most in the "...has a crush on Kate McAuliffe"), and engaged in a lot of vandalism: in addition, there were a couple of Checkuser requests as well. The last KM rush was only a few months ago I think. Acalamari 22:39, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
At the present time my only knowledge of this KM stuff is seeing someone declining an unblock and telling them just to create the eatpeaches account manually (here). that being said, the peaches person has been basically trolling all day, so I'm certainly not going to question a block. –xenocidic (talk) 22:42, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Interesting stuff here, I'm not really sure what to do. It seems like all the KM accounts have been blocked, at least we know about this existing one. Looks like they've tried to make some legitimate contributions: welcoming two people, creating an article, protesting a range block. I'm not sure I'd support a block just yet, to be honest. If they start going south, then sure, but right now it might be better to let stuff go for a while. Thanks for chiming in though, Acalamari. GlassCobra 22:46, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
You're welcome. I wasn't involved in that Kate McAuliffe issues as much as Ryulong and Luna Santin were (I wasn't an admin at the time of the major disruption, and the KM vandal has been doing this for as long as I've been here), but I do know a few things about the KM vandal. I suggest three things (or we go with all three): 1. get input from the likes of Ryulong and Luna Santin; 2. see what the account does before taking any action; 3. talk to NHRHS2010, as he knows quite a bit about the KM vandal as well. Regards. Acalamari 22:55, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
After further thought, the fact they're targeting Ryulong with this RfC also raises red flags, as Ryulong is/was a target for the KM vandal. Acalamari 22:57, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
As the FNG here, I really don't have much to add, but feel free to hack it out here =) I did drop a note to Ryulong about the RFC/U. –xenocidic (talk) 23:00, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Right, and I've dropped Luna and NHRHS each a note. Acalamari, would you like to take this to your talk page? It may be more on topic, this thread has strayed quite a bit from the initial topic, haha. GlassCobra 23:08, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Meh, actually, it doesn't really matter. I'm a FNG too, so I suppose I'll let you guys talk it out wherever you like. :) GlassCobra 23:10, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Heh...in all fairness, I only responded here and on GlassCobra's talk pages because that's where the discussions were. :) You could bring in to mine if you wanted to, but it the interests of keeping things together, I think it would confuse things if we continued this on my talk page (and no, this is not an excuse to get out of an orange banner rush. :D). Good one for leaving notes on Luna Santin's and NHRHS2010's talk pages. Acalamari 23:18, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
I just moved all the talk from cobra's talk page over here, so, even though it'll result in orange banners, feel free to keep it here. who am I kidding, I LOVE orange banners! –xenocidic (talk) 23:20, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
As Xeno mentioned on the SSP case, it seems pretty likely that Eatpeaches (talk · contribs) is Ryulxng (talk · contribs). The KM vandal did develop something of a fixation with Ryulong, if memory serves. One of these accounts immediately begins impersonating Ryu at an RfA; the other immediately questions one of Ryu's blocks and posts at the same RfA. The one account is an obviously abusive impersonator; the other has an obvious (if circumstantial) link to the KM vandal. They're both active around the same time. They're both welcoming users. Both appear to be experienced users. There is the question of why they selected the Cycloneim 2 and Llamadog903 2 RfAs in particular; others are running, but these two are both repeat attempts that seem to be trending downward. – Luna Santin (talk) 23:29, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Ryulxng is already blocked, which is good. However, we should probably get a CU in here to verify Eatpeaches' connection. If the evidence is conclusive, I'd support a block. GlassCobra 00:10, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

status

(Re [52]) Yeah, I know StatusBot is gone, but I've been too busy (read: lazy) to do much about it. Your status changer looks nifty, but does it require me to change my status manually? I'd rather not do that, if that's the case. GlassCobra 22:32, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
Yes, it does require manually chaging your status... it's WP:QUI... - Adolphus79 (talk) 02:55, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Yum!

The Chocolate Cake with a Drum Set Surrounded by Enough Alcohol to Supply the Republic of Ireland for A Decade at Least
Happy First Edit Day to You! I know we aren't exactly Wikibuddies but I see you around all the time and always think, "wow, what an awesome editor"! Hope in the future you won't look back and think, "man, there's two year's I'm never getting back." :D ! L'Aquatique[review]
Hey thanks! i'll be sure to share it with all the ruffians kind folk visiting my talk page today to talk socks. =) –xenocidic (talk) 23:42, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, I do like cake... GlassCobra 23:45, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Welcome

You've had 17 (this one makes 18, except I think UTC is on the 15th now) new threads started on the 14th of July. Welcome to my world, Xeno! I'm thinking of redirecting WP:AN/K to WP:AN/X :-). Of course, I won't until other editors start responding to posts before you get a chance to reply.  :-) Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 00:16, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

lol... and I've been gradually having to have misza get more aggressive. so... I guess I'm starting to tumble down that same rabbit hole =) –xenocidic (talk) 00:19, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Don't worry 'bout the rabbit hole, it's great fun. Once you're falling, you forget about reality and start to enjoy the fall for what it is :-). I wouldn't change my wiki-experience for the world, I've made some good friends. Again, welcome to adminship! (you should make a new welcome template for experience users that suddenly find themselves at the heart of seemingly endless "issues")...Keeper | 76 | what's in a name? 00:22, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
There you go with the delegating again! ;> I'll work on it =p. –xenocidic (talk) 00:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Star Trek

(Re [53]) Nice usage of a First Contact quote. Borg Queen and Locutus getting naughty (before he ends her)!--Finalnight (talk) 01:34, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

I thought it particularly appropriate =) –xenocidic (talk) 01:35, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Copy of Deleted Article

Hi, Would you be able to provide me with a copy of my unfinished article on the band Dark ages that got deleted before i could complete it? Thanks. Pyro Stick (talk) 09:06, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

UBX

(Re [54]) I started looking at the list because there were a number of red-linked accounts. In checking each one I discoverd that some were just new and hadn't had user pages created, but many were accounts that no longer exist. The only ones I was removing were deleted accounts, blocked accounts (mostly for vandalism) and non-existent accounts (i.e never created in the first place). I couldn't see any reason to leave them on the project page. I haven't touched any that were just inactive or not editing - they may well come back! Do you see a problem with removing deleted accounts, blocked accounts and non-existent accounts? If so I won't remove any more! - Ahunt (talk) 13:34, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
Hi again - actually if you check the ones I removed they were all deleted accounts, none were just inactive. - Ahunt (talk) 13:38, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
My reply here.
Okay - thanks for your info on that. I was particularly looking at a couple of them that were permanently blocked for vandalism. Fun that they would have joined the userboxes project! - Ahunt (talk) 13:57, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
My reply here.
Well, rather than mess it up more, I'll leave you to do that! You may want to have a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Software/participants to see how they have done it. It isn't ideal, but may give you some ideas. - Ahunt (talk) 14:27, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
My reply here.
Will do! - Ahunt (talk) 14:28, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
All done now - and I fixed a formatting problem, too. - Ahunt (talk) 14:49, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
My reply here.

Yeah, the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Software/participants chart is a certainly space-consumptive and I am not sure it adds a lot of value in the end. You want to see the Software project page, it is a true triumph of form over function. - Ahunt (talk) 15:14, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Morning

Morning! It was odd not having asked you a question by this point in the day lol. At the risk of being slightly stalkerish, I admit I have been reviewing your user pages quite extensively and stumbled upon your 360 games played list. From your game records, I see that you have excellent taste :). Re Mass Effect, I'm thinking about getting it in the near future. I loved KOTOR I & II, but I heard it is different. Your input? Washburnmav (talk) 15:52, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Hrm, I only played KOTOR I very briefly and never even got the shrinkwrap off KOTOR II (blasphemy, I know), but Mass Effect was very enjoyable one of the best games for 360 imo. Highly recommended. Cinematic brilliance. Make sure you turn off your notifications if your friends list is very active what with the "came online" every 5 minutes, that really spoils the immersion. –xeno (talk) 15:55, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Sigh. Your blasphemy is somewhat forgivable I suppose. I have played KOTOR enough for the both of us... I'll keep that in mind. Disappointed to see you don't own COD 4 anymore, I was very active on live on that game, never seemed to get old. Washburnmav (talk) 15:59, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
My Twinkle is having major issues and it happened in the middle of me editing. Could you go here and restore the version of the page as of 16:47, 9 July 2008? That's what I meant to do but my twinkle won't let me rollback or restore right now. Thanks Washburnmav (talk) 16:56, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Nevermind, got it working. Washburnmav (talk) 17:00, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Sure thing. Try reloading your cache because I may have futzed with twinkle trying to prevent some massive vandalism. Just a tip if you want to restore to a previous version manually, just look at the history of the article, click on the timestamp that you want to revert to, edit the old version, and save (of course using a descriptive edit summary). –xeno (talk) 17:01, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
For what my opinion is worth, the KOTORs are probably some of the best games I've ever played, on any system. Of course, I'm a massive Star Wars junkie, so YMMV. GlassCobra 21:19, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

MFD

Sorry. I just thought that "cabal" was an innapropriate word for an official group. Shapiros10 contact meMy work 18:58, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

well, it's anything but official... so it's actually a more appropriate name. no worries. –xeno (talk) 19:00, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Closed

(Re [55]) Thank you for closing it. I think it was an extremely helpful process, but not something I want to go through again anytime soon. Leonard(Bloom) 19:06, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Get this

Hey Xenocidic, remeber American Eagle, well get this he is now a Administrator on the Simple Wikipedia. I feel so weak now that half of my friends are admins of something. Just thought I'd let you know!--Ezekiel 7:19 †alk 16:47, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

heh, yes, I noticed you leaving a message for him, or vice versa, I actually congratulated him over there. i'm sure that if you work at it, one day you can be too =) –xeno (talk) 16:50, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Well thanks man, your always so nice, and trust me if I would become an admin on something it would be Wookiepedia a.k.a Star Wars wiki. By the way there is something wrong with your sig. I clicked talk but it isn't a link to your talk page. Best Regards.--Ezekiel 7:19 †alk 17:00, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
That's because you're already on my talk page =). Don't worry, I've made that mistake before too ;> –xeno (talk) 17:03, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Dang it! Just when i thought I had an Admin fooled I was played like the Fool on the Hill, I love that song. Oh well unless I'm on before Friday you won't see me until August.I'm going to Manasquan Beach for two weeks!......for the 14th year in a row! Best Regards.--Ezekiel 7:19 †alk 18:05, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Rollback

Well, I'm well on my way in my pursuit of the 500 edit mark. I believe I have kept the quality of my edits high as well. I'm planning on re-applying for rollback at that point. Do you think I would succeed this time? Also, could you explain the difference between the granted rollback and those that Twinkle provides? Thanks Washburnmav (talk) 18:52, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Native rollback is faster and is done in the server-side so it's a lot lighter load traffic-wise. It doesn't give you an option to change the edit summary so unlike Twinkle's "rollback" or "rollback (agf)" it is only ever to be used to rollback obvious clear-cut vandalism (or yourself). I can have another look thru your contribs since I last reviewed you if you want. –xeno (talk) 18:54, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
I will be going on vacation until Monday (Big Bend National Park =)), but I'm going to try to reach 500 edits by the end of today. Let's go ahead and wait till I get back to review my edits. Don't want it falling through too many times ;). Washburnmav (talk) 18:59, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Sounds like a plan. Just remind me once you get back and I'll take a look. –xeno (talk) 19:01, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

3rr on Waltzingmatilda57

Please consider removing the 3RR block on Waltzingmatilda57 (talk · contribs). I'm on top of the situation. —EncMstr (talk) 19:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

15 minutes? Okay, that's appropriate. —EncMstr (talk) 19:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I believe User:86.12.236.232 is a sockpuppet of Waltzingmatilda57. Unaware of protocol in dealing with sockpuppets. Can you advise? (Yes I know this sounds like a cheesy FPS video game.) Washburnmav (talk) 19:56, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

To avoid hassle, I've semi-protected the article. —EncMstr (talk) 19:58, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
(Re to Wash) Right, it's either a sockpuppet or a meatpuppet, so EncMstr just made the article unable to edit by anonymous users for now. In a one-off case like this the best thing to do is ping an admin (like you did) but formal sockpuppet reports are made at WP:SSP. –xeno (talk) 20:06, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Do you ever speak English or have you developed your own kind of code? Obviously respect doesn't come into your vocabulary - Pretty sad Waltzingmatilda57 (talk) 22:39, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
My reply here.

Thanks...

Thanks, a troll putting up my personal information online is kinda scary... - Adolphus79 (talk) 20:47, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

oh, scary indeed. i thought you just wanted to clean the history! use Wikipedia:Requests for oversight and send the diffs for something like that. Do you want me to restore the non-offending revisions? –xeno (talk) 20:49, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
nope, this worked fine, I removed any personal info... no history, no way for a troll to get that info... is the page still semi-pp (edit:autoconfirmed)? - Adolphus79 (talk) 20:51, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
I've added the semi back on for you. you know of course your deleted revisions are still viewable by admins, but we're a mostly trustworthy group =). oversight can fix that if you want. –xeno (talk) 20:54, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
I may consider that, I've already wrote oversight regarding the WP:UUA edits, once that's fixed I may have my page wiped too... I'm not so worried about admins as I am personal trolls... I'm pretty sure I know who it is, and I've already emailed OTRS about it... Thanks again, I owe you another pint... ;) - Adolphus79 (talk) 21:01, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Locking AFL Season 2008

How can I get 2008 AFL season temporarily locked to new users? The page has received a number of bad edits recently and will take a bit of work to repair. Lympathy Talk 14:23, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:RFPP is your place. :) GlassCobra 14:30, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't think there's sufficient history to have it protected though. Bad edits in good faith won't qualify, I'm afraid. (Are they vandals or just poor editing choices?) –xeno (talk) 14:32, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
After editting it I realised that it was just poor formatting over several different users. It looked worse to me than it was. All fixed now. Lympathy Talk 14:38, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

2 years

I see today marks two years since your first edit. Congratulations on the milestone. Useight (talk) 18:54, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

wow, were you watching Irid's talk page, or is this another one of those crazy useight coincidences? oh, and thanks =) –xenocidic (talk) 18:55, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Happy edit-birthday! – iridescent 19:07, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
hehe, thanks, and sorry for drama'ing up your talk page. I guess I got mixed up, what with AN/K going to keeper, I figured AN/I should go to irid =) –xenocidic (talk) 19:09, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Happy editday! GlassCobra 19:10, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Happy Edit-Day!!!:D--Xp54321 (Hello! • Contribs) 19:18, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I did cheat a little, and kinda fecked off between aug 2006 and jan 2008 =) (with sporadic IP edits in the interim) –xenocidic (talk) 19:20, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I happened to see this edit summary on my watchlist. I guess it was lucky that I hit F5 at the right time, but this one isn't as "coincidency" as other times. :P Useight (talk) 19:25, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
*phew* if it was a coincidence like last time I woulda really been creeped out =) –xenocidic (talk) 19:26, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Don't worry, I'm not stalking you...just your talk page (and other talk pages, for that matter). <insert evil laugh> Useight (talk) 19:34, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Rawr... gratz on 2 years... - Adolphus79 (talk) 19:46, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Happy wikiday!!ElectricalExperiment 21:20, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

RfA thank you

(Re [56])

Thank you!
Xeno, it is with deep awareness of the responsibility conferred by your trust that I am honored to report that in part to your support, my request for adminship passed (87/14/6). I deeply value the trust you and the Wikipedia community have in me, and I will embark on a new segment of my Wikipedia career by putting my new tools to work to benefit the entire community. My best to you, Happyme22 (talk) 04:58, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

And I'm pleased to have been the first to answer your scenario. :) Happyme22 (talk) 04:58, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Just curious - what did you think of the layout? was it easy to follow? –xeno (talk) 16:51, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
I had to read the "Confused?" drop-down box to fully understand what the two columns were and why there was different colored text. But after that I'd say it was definitely pretty easy to follow. Happyme22 (talk) 17:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks =) –xeno (talk) 20:22, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Getting power crazy

Hi! Inspired by your division-by-zero block, I thought I would be a bit silly with my reasons during admin school. I figured that I ought to be sensible when doing adctual blocks, deletions, etc, so now is the time to let my hair down. Still got a few more lessons to do, but I figured you might want to have a look in at what you've started... [57]. StephenBuxton (talk) 11:51, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

heh. my favorite is the matrix one: 07:53, July 14, 2008 StephenBuxton (Talk | contribs | block) unblocked "192.0.2.16 (Talk)" ‎ (User admits there is no spoon.). =) just wait till you really bungle your first admin related log message. you'll feel like a peon. then about 200 admin actions later you'll stop caring so much =) –xeno (talk) 12:23, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I was wondering if anyone would get that reference. Well, I've done the silly, and will eventually get on with using the blocks myself. Before that though, I'll just carry on reporting vandals at AIV, and watch to see how the various people get blocked (lengths, account creation protection and all that). Never paid too much attention in the past back when I was a pure vandal fighter - it was enough for me to see they were blocked. I know the theory now, but I want to see other people do it in practice before I do any. My goal? To do at least 300 admin actions before I feel like a peon (grin) StephenBuxton (talk) 17:02, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Nonsense. Just block them (anon-only, account creation blocked-the defaults) if you want, for 12 hours to be conservative, but I usually go for 24 or 31 hours. Also look at their previous blocks - if they're repeaters and it looks to be the same person or it's a school - use gradually increasing blocks. P.S. I've got a custom twinklewarn.js that selects the "Blocking" level of warning by default. User:Xenocidic/twinklewarn.js, feel free to import it. –xeno (talk) 17:04, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

New user assist

Can you (or a talk page stalker) check out Kenneth Moore? We've got original research from a relative on there; I welcomed her but she apparently just logged out and re-edited. She did ask for help but of course got the right answer, which would not be what she was looking for. To add to it, it's not entirely clear the article's subject even meets WP:N. I don't want to be a stalker; I'd rather we gain a new productive editor...any assist would be appreciated.  Frank  |  talk  13:43, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Competing in the Olympics automatically qualifies athletes for notability, as for the OR, I'd be inclined to tag it with fact and let someone else sort it out further down the line. There are a few editors who work with the olympians-from-years-ago, let me search my archives and find them and then send them your way here.  Done I left messages on their talk pages to come look here. –xeno (talk) 13:52, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
In looking at the source for his birth year, it's listed at 01/01/1899 which strikes me as a bit of a "we're not sure" date. –xeno (talk) 13:59, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I noticed in the article that it no longer has a birth-date but I thought the same as Xeno, that 1/1/1899 is unlikely to be the actual date and I would prefer to see a tag that asks for references to be added rather than delete good-faith edits. Perhaps the user can negotiate to create a Primary Source which we can reference. Lympathy Talk 14:04, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I appreciate your offer, but I will have to pass on this. In regards to the January 1, 1899 birth, most historians will use the January 1 birth date as a default if the birth date is not known, but the birth year is. Chris (talk) 14:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Is that a reliable source though? Do 33 year olds normally compete in Olympic hockey? (This isn't a facetious or rhetorical question, I don't follow sports very much at all =) –xeno (talk) 14:08, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Google isn't really turning up anything conclusive on this guy, unfortunately...I found a few Olympics databases, but none of them list his age or any info about him other than winning the gold. To be honest, though, I'd side more towards taking out the OR instead of tagging it. Verifiability, not truth. GlassCobra 14:10, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I have no problem with a 33 year old competing especially in that era. January 1st is what I find least likely. I would consider the source and that date unreliable. Lympathy Talk 14:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to continue to monitor here and the article itself. Hopefully someone can come up with something; her request on the help page yielded some responses. Thanks all.  Frank  |  talk  22:32, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Sure thing. The user below (I've combined the sections) may still be working on it as well. –xeno (talk) 22:34, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Thx

Hi Xeno! Many thanks for your info about the edits to Kenneth Moore! I will try to find out more about him, I have just mailed a friend. Feel free to ask me again if you find cases like this. Yes, I remember that we spoke about the notability of all these athletes. :) But wiki is a good place to find relatives who can help with missing data. Kind regards Doma-w (talk) 16:04, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks =) –xeno (talk) 22:34, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Block template

Hey, do you know the appropriate block notice template for an indef block of an advertising-only account? Tan ǀ 39 14:50, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

{{Uw-sblock}} (|indef=yes). Aren't you using Twinkle? It's got all that in there ;> –xeno (talk) 14:52, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
That's not an indef block, though. Hang on, I'll dig around. GlassCobra 14:53, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
I know, I've seen that template. But "You have been blocked for a period of XXX from editing in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for continuing to add spam links." seems inappropriate for an advert-only account. I want it to mention the username and the fact that it's advertising. Tan ǀ 39 14:54, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
It is when you do it like this: {{subst:Uw-sblock|indef=yes}}. –xeno (talk) 14:55, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Here we go: {{Uw-soablock}} (shortcuts: {{so}}, {{soa}}, {{soab}}) GlassCobra 14:56, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Ah, try {{Uw-soablock}}. –xeno (talk) 14:57, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
perfect. Thanks guys - Tan ǀ 39 14:57, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
don't forget to subst or xenobot will gitcha! –xeno (talk) 14:58, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:TPS

Darn it, I need to find somewhere else to screw around now... :P GlassCobra 14:59, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Lol, no - don't worry. Apparently I've finally "arrived" (per Keeper, somewhere above) –xeno (talk) 15:01, 17 July 2008 (UTC) (#Welcome =)
I don't understand, what exactly is WP:TPS? Is that some kind of new-fangled cabal? - Adolphus79 (talk) 01:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Yep, we got a userbox and everything! {{WP:TPS/userbox}} –xeno (talk) 01:47, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
but the question is... am I really TPS if I'm only stalking a couple other users pages? Imma have to make a UBX that says I'm a Xeno-jaguar or something... LOL - Adolphus79 (talk) 02:07, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
The moment you answer a question directed to someone else on their talk page, you're a talk page stalker =) In fact, I'm constantly changing the talk pages that I stalk. Normally I'll stalk a talk page of someone who I have an open query with, and then take them off a week or two later. –xeno (talk) 02:11, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
dammit! that takes me from TPS'ng only a couple user to like a half dozen... isn't there some kind of qualification regarding how many questions directed towards you that I've answered? - Adolphus79 (talk) 02:14, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: greasemonkey auto-status

(Re [58]) You can probably find someone to write it at WP:VPT or something. I could write it but would rather not spend time on it as I'm not sure how long it would take me. And the tool's functionality isn't that useful to me because I prefer to edit undetected when I can :) Yeah, the Greasemonkey should only run when you start your browser and should stop when you close it. Gary King (talk) 17:19, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Reply

(Re [59]) Yep, thats the one! Thanks for the kudos! -- iMatthew T.C. 23:49, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Merging edit histories

Is there any way to merge the edit history of The Conduit (video game) into The Conduit? The article was moved to the former back in April, and the latter became a redirect, at least until now when their roles have been reversed. I had done the initial moving because I thought "The Conduit" was too generic to be an article without the "(video game)" elaboration, and naturally loads of edits have happened between then and now which are no longer easily visible. I've heard of merging article histories somewhere, but I haven't the foggiest of where to go. Can you help? -- Comandante {Talk} 02:16, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

ugh, cut and paste move. sure, I'll do it. –xeno (talk) 02:18, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 Done. happy editing =) –xeno (talk) 02:24, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Much obliged. I actually didn't expect anything to happen until tomorrow, apparently you're either online 24/7 or semi-telepathic (a full telepath wouldn't need a computer. Or the Internet). Thanks for taking the trouble to handle this so quickly. -- Comandante {Talk} 02:30, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
LOL! You caught me whilst I was cleaning out my watchlist =). The status display usually doesn't lie too - unless I forgot to set it to "offline". heh. –xeno (talk) 02:37, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
I've had my status set to online for the past 3 days and just realized it. Anyway, I guess it was just the luck of the draw that you were on at the time. Too bad you're not a telepath, I wanted to add someone to my telepathic friends list. As expected, it's still empty; it makes me doubt that there's any reason to have such a list at all, but I soldier on. There will be a day in future, a great and glorious day, a day that will live forever in infamy, when that list will mean something! There is still a place for lists of nonexistent people in the universe! And for ASCII Art of that owl picture that says "O, RLY?" And for vegetarian bacon, not just flattened strips of flavored broccoli, but a bacon substitute made of tofu that actually tastes like bacon! I don't even like tofu. But that day will come!!! You can tell I have nothing better to do, I thought about not typing this at all (for a second (alright, 27 seconds by my watch. I mean honestly, this is pointless)). -- Comandante {Talk} 02:53, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
Hey! ASCII art FTW!!! - Adolphus79 (talk) 02:56, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
well, i never said i wasn't telepathic, so, next time you need me, just think really hard=) –xeno (talk) 03:12, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Page move

Can you tell me how to undo a page move. Also can you take action against this user [60]. You will understand when you see his contribs. --SkyWalker (talk) 08:21, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Page move vandalism can usually be reversed simply by making the page back over it's original location - as long as no edits have been made to the left-over redirect. The user has already been blocked. –xeno (talk) 12:28, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

EFD

Hey, who gave you permission to use my EFD page?! >:O

No, I'm kidding, of course. Good to see some activity there. :) GlassCobra 17:44, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

heh, things have been pretty heated on WP:AN/K just thought I could lighten things up a bit, or at least get them out of the house =) –xeno (talk) 17:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Email?

By any chance do you have email turned on? I have a slight problem that really doesn't need to be broadcast across the net... - Adolphus79 (talk) 17:58, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes. –xeno (talk) 18:00, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

done... - Adolphus79 (talk) 18:11, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Radio Wikipedia Mentioned In WebUser

Someone you will not believe. The UK magazine WebUser, features a Website Secrets section. Number 45 of WebUser 192 (page 27) reads:

Radio Wikipedia Not many people know that the online encyclopedia has its own radio programme, which covers various aspects of using and updating the site. You can listen to it at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RADIOWP.

Can you believe it. I'm mentioning this in a special issue. StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign Listen 18:40, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Impressive! –xeno (talk) 18:42, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
I can't believe it. I've emailed the editor thanking them, and hinting at other mentions. We need to be prepared for the traffic. StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign Listen 18:55, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
PS: WikipediaWeekly and NotTheW... got one little paragraph. We got a whole one. StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign Listen 18:55, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Suggestion, question

(Re [61]) I do have that in the lesson already, actually - the second and third code snippets both show how that works. Thanks, though, it's always interesting to see how far these lessons are spreading. :-)

As for your question, I'm not having any luck suppressing it. Using #ifeq: as you tried should work, I'm not sure why it isn't (see my test). The good news is, you don't have to transclude WP:RFPERM itself, just its three subpages, Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Acc, Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Rollback, and Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Rem. Those aren't too obtrusive when added, and it'll help people add new requests if they come across your userpage or whatever. I just looked, and I don't see any parsers to help with this, although you did give me a great idea for a feature request. Sorry I can't be of more help there.

Otherwise, vacation's going well, thanks. Should be back on regular editing in a couple weeks. Hersfold (t/a/c) 21:55, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Got it, glad I sent in the feature request. Mediawiki does have something to show the size of a page, which you can use like this:
{{#ifeq: {{#expr: {{PAGESIZE:Wikipedia:Requests for permission/Rollback}} < 180 }} | 1 | ''No current rollback requests'' 
| {{Wikipedia:Requests for permission/Rollback}} }}
So, if the page is so short it can only possibly contain the header, the statement is true, returns a 1, and spits out "No current rollback requests" or whatever else you want it to show. Yay! Hersfold (t/a/c) 07:24, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
My reply here.

My edits

Hello, I made changes to several relevant pages in enviro tech and put a page up on the Green Technology Alliance. Any copyright issues I had full rights to do any "cut and paste" from the .org site. My changes on other pages were specifically to clean up etc. and add relevant areas, links etc. Much was deleted and so was the GTA page. Can you tell me what I did wrong? I looked at several others for a model and then tried to make it link primarily back to other wiki pieces. Thanks also if you could send a copy of the page back to me I would really appreciate it. I apologize if I violated any policy as I tried very hard not to. This issue is incredibly important and I would love to contribute extensively to related areas but can't take the time to do it if I am going to just get deleted. Thanks M-- Michelle.Naquin Juoly 19, 2008 10:56 CST Michelle.naquin (talk) 15:57, 19 July 2008 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Michelle.naquin (talk • contribs) 15:55, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

My replies here.
I remember the issue, it was a copyright violation (direct copy and paste of copyrighted material) of http://www.greentechnologyalliance.org/. This means that that website holds copyright for whatever is written on it. For information to be able to be used on Wikipedia, it must be released to the public domain under GFDL. There is a message on your talk page with more information about all of this, and what you can do. I would recommend you read Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission as well as the above linked GFDL. Even if you own the website and the copyright, that does not mean it can be used (word for word) on Wikipedia without permission. The easiest thing to do is just to re-write it without breaking the copyright, but if you feel it is absolutely necessary to copy and paste word for word, then read the above linked articles.
If I remember correctly, there was also an issue with notability. Please also read WP:COMPANY and WP:V for guidelines on notability and verfiability... - Adolphus79 (talk) 17:13, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I understand, I think the major issue is that it would be a conflict of interest and then the copyright obviously. I could rewrite the text so there is no copyright issue, but want to make sure that I am not putting myself and my other contributions in to a watch list. So if one or both of you tell me if I reword it I can repost I will otherwise I will leave it for now. We being the GTA have been written up in several external articles that I did not link to because I thought it would be a violation of "advertising."

For additional contributions I consider critical and would like to contritube to are for example, environmental technologies. Clean, Environmental, Green and Sustainable Technologies should and do have different definitions. What is the most appropriate way to address breaking these out and cleaning up the articles that exist under Green Computing, Green Building and the 4 types of technologies. As well there needs to be Green IT as a separate category, Green datacenters, etc. Also standards that are being developed in this space should have a separate entry. Michelle.naquin (talk) 17:38, 19 July 2008 (UTC) Michelle.Naquin

My reply here.
The only thing that I would add to Xeno's reply would be to check out the links provided in the 'Welcome' message left at the top of your talk page. As far as your company goes, there are the concerns with copyvio & COI, but also, unless you can show notability, and are able to verify that notability, the article will not make it. This doesn't automatically mean your company will never be notable, there are hundreds of articles about companies created each day that don't pass WP:N or WP:V, one day it could be notable, just not yet (or that notability is not verifiable yet).
As far as other contributions are concerned, please feel free to contribute wherever and whatever you wish, so long as those contributions also pass the assorted guidelines. Again, the 'Welcome' message at the top of your talk page can answer most 'new editor' questions you may have. If you need help with anything, leave a message here, or on your talk page, or on mine. If you leave it here, then you might get a faster response (but not necessarily from me or Xeno), as there are quite a few people watching stalking here (rawr). And you can always use the {{helpme}} template on your own talk page if no one answers you here. - Adolphus79 (talk) 18:19, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Block

(Re [62]) Im sorry, i didnt mean to violate policy, i misread the "Bots (short for "robots") are generally programs or scripts that make automated edits without the necessity of human decision-making." One of the tasks the bot was performing is manual and i am in full control off (and dont need approval for), the other one (image tagging) was fully automatic, which is what you probably blocked it for (my bad). Since you have unblocked would you care to remove your block notice from BAG, thanks   «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l»  (talk) 16:17, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

My replies here.

WP:RFPERM

Hey, I was going to archive the completed requests on the WP:RFPERM page, but I can't figure out how the archives work with the T-x sections... help? --Admrb♉ltz (t • c • log) 05:08, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Looks like SoxBot took care of it... Thanks =) –xeno (talk) 14:41, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

OHNOHS!!!!!

Oh nohs!!! activity sloweds... Wikipedia iz falling aparts! long live AN/X!!!! - Adolphus79 (talk) 15:43, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

heh.. maybe just steering clear of teh dramahz =) –xeno (talk) 15:47, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
We needz moar cheezeburgerz? - Adolphus79 (talk) 15:51, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Cheeseburger delivery! GlassCobra 15:55, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Looks tasty... I may have to duck out now fo foodz =) –xeno (talk) 15:56, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
U haz cheeseburger rite heer! GlassCobra 15:57, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
mmm...belgian waffles... bbiab =) –xeno (talk) 16:04, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Mmm... B&G...
dammit... now I'm hungry... breakfast time I guess... Can I has Sausage gravy & biscuitz? - Adolphus79 (talk) 16:14, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Yayz, activityz, AN/X FTW!!! - Adolphus79 (talk) 16:14, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
(full stomach) Hrm, shouldn't that have been uploaded to the commons? –xeno (talk) 17:31, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
sure, I suppose it could've been... someone might transclude it one day, some of my photos have been transcluded, some haven't... LOL - Adolphus79 (talk) 17:42, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you..

..for your change to the talk page on the latest RfA. Slipped my mind : ) Wisdom89 (T / C) 20:18, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

N'est pas problème. –xeno (talk) 20:25, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

disruptive removal of discussion

Do you have any idea as how hypocritical your removal of the discussion at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Okiefromokla (which I have undone now, because this disruption of discussion cannot go on like that) comes off seeing how you were indeed the first one to respond to him in J.delanoy's RfA? Please don't disrupt good-faithed discussion like that. And when I put bold letters in there that say DO NOT REMOVE THIS GOOD-FAITHED CONSTRUCTIVE POSTING, I usually mean it, and please assume, if you find it in you, that I wrote that for a very good reason. Turns out I did. The point is that Kurt prefers to state his opinion in individual RfAs rather than a central discussion. It strictly follows that all the discussion to which he opens up his opinions by stating them must take place where he takes them: In those same RfAs. I regard removal of civil discussion as highly disruptive. Please don't do it again. user:Everyme 01:12, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

The discussion was not removed, it was simply moved to the talk page of the RFA, as is customary when long drawn out discussions regarding kurt's oppose occur. If I trigger one of these long discussions, I'll be the first one to suggest it gets moved, out of respect for the candidate. kurt has even shown himself willing to engage in the discussion once it is moved to the talk page (where it probably belongs - as it often has nothing to do with the candidate). –xeno (talk) 05:54, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
"as is customary" — It's a bad habit. There is nothing disruptive or uncivil in that thread, just some users exchanging their opinion in what ostensibly is a discussion. What needs to stop even more than unuseful, uncivil badgering of Kurt (or anyone else for that matter) is the regular stifling of all civil and potentially constructive discussion surrounding it, first and foremost because this automated removal of every response to one of his opposes creates the impression that RfA is not a discussion. And yes, "moving" it to the talk page does very much mean removing it from the main RfA page. Please, just don't do it in an automated fashion anymore. If there are truly uncivil comments and the whole thing degenerates into pure mudslinging, then yes, it may be ok to excise certain parts. But (re)moving it wholesale just because it's a discussion following one of Kurt's opposes should be totally out of the question. user:Everyme 06:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
but it had nothing to do with the candidate - which is why i moved it. it was not automatic. look, i used to try and get kurt to change his mind about the power hunger thing too, but it just won't work. i think he likes the negative attention. and obviously, people keep feeding him it. anyhow, the discussion doesn't get stifled, people still go to the talk page, and still comment. and as I've said elsewhere, he could do a lot worse to the candidate - by actually finding a legitimate reason to oppose and people might actually say, hey - yea, "oppose per kurt". as it stands now, he usually just gets people to support the candidate just to offset his pointy oppose. p.s. kurt reads every comment that gets posted in opposition to him - whether be it on the rfa, the rfa's talk page, or wt:rfa. he lives for that. if he doesn't respond, he's just doing it to bug you. when he wants to respond, he will. –xeno (talk) 06:26, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Of course it had nothing to do with the candidate — just like Kurt's oppose doesn't. Look, if the community decides to tolerate Kurt's opposes, which is fine by me, they must consequently also tolerate the discussion they cause. That is incidentally the primary problem I see with Kurt's opposes: They barely relate to the candidate, and Kurt even says so himself. What is not possible is to tolerate Kurt's non-candidate-related opposes, but at the same time curb any debate those opposes create. It's a matter of reap what you sow, you being the people who defend Kurt's right to express his opinion any way he likes and to "defend" him from being badgered. You can't just come charging in and say that he has to be tolerated while my good-faithed efforts can be removed just like that. If and when Kurt decides to try and make his (partly valid!) points in an appropriate central venue, the discussion will happen there. So long as he doesn't, it will happen wherever he drops them. You can´'t have one without the other. Bottom line, because I notice that I'm about to lose my temper over this shit again: Just don't move around any comment of mine without (i) an excellent reason and without (ii) notifying me. Ok? user:Everyme 06:53, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm asking for input/clarification at AN. user:Everyme 09:13, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough - but your comments were not removed, they were just moved. Next time a kurt-based oppose thread that you are involved in becomes unwieldy, I'll let you know after I move it (unless of course, community consensus changes such that we decide to leave such threads in place - and just for clarity - it's not just the extended-discussions-after-kurt that get moved, it happens with other extended discussions too - kurt's opposes just attract them so very often).
Thanks for letting me know. –xeno (talk) 12:21, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for restoring it, hopefully it will stick, at least this one time. Btw, with regard to your comment at AN that it's "such a fine line". I had another look, and honestly I don't think it is. It started not to be a rational discussion about the oppose and how it relates to the candidate precisely with this comment, incidentally the minute before you first moved the thread. Whatever the best course of action —mind you, I readily accept that restoring the comments is merely my own POV, albeit for reasons laid out at AN—, a polite reminder to keep comments on track and not digress into detached meta-commentary, let alone of the type that discusses the contributor and speculates on his motivations might be a generally useful auxiliary in such situations. Granted, it takes two to tango, but often it takes only one to take a discussion downhill. user:Everyme 14:10, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that's exactly where I was going to cut it on the tail end, but I was also considering cutting some stuff from the lead-in as well, and then once I started getting into that I just said "fsck it" and restored the whole shebang. –xeno (talk) 14:12, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Which is fine by me as well. Just returned here to add my finding that while I hate to denounce other people, he happens to have a bit of a history as far as personal attacks go. user:Everyme 14:18, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm gunna make another stab at removing the stuff unrelated to the candidate, if that's ok with you. –xeno (talk) 14:19, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Fire away. Anything that preserves the valid parts (i.e., the actual discussion of the topic at hand) is ok with me. user:Everyme 14:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 Done [63] - as per my statement on the RFA talk page, feel free to move anything back that you might feel was still relevant. –xeno (talk) 14:25, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Nah, I won't move anything around there any more. At any rate, good call. The parts you left out are precisely the ones which are not in any way related to the RfA. user:Everyme 14:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
cheers =) i'll try to be more discerning in the future. –xeno (talk) 14:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

(outdent) Ah yes, about that... Your comment about the fine line at AN actually made me feel bad for my initial aggressive reaction. I'm quite aware that you moved the discussion not, as I assumed and alleged, in defense of Kurt but instead you were merely trying to do the best. I think you've mastered the challenge admirably, and if anything, the lesson that should stick is that you can trust your judgement and shouldn't hesitate to exercise discretion. Definitely preferable, in this case at least, over a wholesale removal out of the understandable but in your case unjustifed fear of doing the wrong thing. user:Everyme 14:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

ah thanks for that mate, and don't sweat it =) –xeno (talk) 14:40, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

rememered the name and got even scores on validity

i just remembered, the movie was "the day the earth stood still. i tried finding the novels you recommended at the book stores here but no one ever heard of them. i guess i can get them from Amazon but haven't mustered much desire to order from overseas and pay that much shipping.

as for leadership gurus. it seems to be a tie. one guy says no, one guy says yes... "what does it all mean???" you are the only person who takes me seriously in the world of wiki. even in the real world people underestimate my mental ability because of the way i look. at least hear i am only seen for my knowledge an contribution, or at least that is the way i would like to think...

Hotmarcie (talk) 03:07, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

User:Jimthebobfred

You may want to look at this. Would it be appropriate to give him the "second chance" template or whatever it is? I don't think I have ever seen someone who was blocked indefinitely be so persistent in saying that they have reformed. J.delanoygabsadds 15:02, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't see anything redeeming about that person's contributions. Even in my "hypothetical" case, he does have the one edit to his credit. Heck even the "wikichums" thing seems trollish. But you're certainly free to suggest it to Risker. –xeno (talk) 15:05, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!

The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Thank you for going above and beyond in improving User:NuclearWarfare/Welcome and then smoothing out some of my mistakes in failing to use the subst: tag NuclearWarfare (talk) 15:05, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Shiny! Thanks =) –xeno (talk) 15:06, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

MFB II

I've stopped the bott for now. Again, I apologize. I really don't know why its editing dismbig pages, it should be skipping them. I'll keep it stopped until I can fix that. Thanks, « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 17:53, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem, though it would probably be a good idea to manually correct those errors. I corrected a few that I saw on the interwiki's I already have active, didn't want to create new accounts on other langs =) –xeno (talk) 17:57, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

You da man/woman!

No offense on title! >.> Thanks for making me an account! ~~Sealim~~ (talk)

No problem. Happy editing, –xeno (talk) 18:50, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Sonic and the Black Knight

Can you check the article. That user is saying the source is not working. When i checked those two links it is working fine. Also that user is using filthy language. --SkyWalker (talk) 19:01, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

looking at the article, the sources, and the history, you are both close to WP:3RR. I placed a warning on his/her/it's talk page regarding this... I would recommend you step back from the article for a moment just to be sure you don't also break 3RR... I will keep an eye on the article, as well as the user. - Adolphus79 (talk) 19:08, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
How am i breaking the 3RR?. He is blanking the article and calming the source is not working. He is also used filthy languages at me such has calling me a bitch and ignorant dumbass. Anyways it is 1 am here. Iam going to sleep. Take care Adolphus. --SkyWalker (talk) 19:15, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
He's blocked for edit warring, incivility & personal attacks. As far as 3RR, you should have been fine per the exception policy. –xeno (talk) 19:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. You are my wonderful brother. :D. --SkyWalker (talk) 19:25, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

MFC RfA

(Re [64]) Yes, I just saw Keepscases' talk page. Reverted self. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 19:04, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

RfA "warning"

I'm surprised that you consider some questions "inappropriate," and yet you defend Kurt's right to oppose nearly every RfA with the same or similar reason and no explanation. I find the unique questions at every RfA to serve a valuable purpose - you cannot "game" the system by studying for a question that has never appeared before. I admit that my own random question was an easy one to answer, but it was still unexpected, a little off the beaten path, and useful to the RfA process. Part of the process is to see how a candidate reacts when something unexpected happens. I think we should leave it be, and even welcome it.  Frank  |  talk  19:05, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I, too, thought it was strange that you removed the question about drugs, but not the one about the "cookie obsession". Seemed like a double standard. Useight (talk) 19:07, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Keepcases has a history of asking inappropriate questions, I'm only enforcing the warning that WJBscribe issued to him previously. Also per this, MFC is drug free. –xeno (talk) 19:11, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
I know of Keepcases' past RFA questions, he asked me on my RFA if I was going to leave any of my estate to the Wikimedia Foundation upon my death. This particular question seemed to be more applicable to adminship than most of his past questions. Useight (talk) 19:26, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Put it back then. I won't edit war over it. He's been asked by WJBscribe not to ask inappropriate questions, yet he continues. The question seemed to make an assumption that the user is a drug user, which I find inappropriate. –xeno (talk) 19:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
(ec)The question was added as a joke, no reason to get upset with Keep but perfectly valid to remove a question that is just wasting time and space. Maybe if the editor had some prior known issues with drugs then it would be a good question, but let's be real here. Cookie question should have been removed too. It's not so much that the questions are majorly disruptive, but rather they reflect people just goofing around and removing the questions seem to be the correct BOLD move. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 19:32, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
I removed the question because I felt it was a joke question from Keepscases. It does have some sort of relevance to adminship, but his history of question-asking on RfA doesn't show him as being a serious person. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 19:34, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
(edit conflict)(reply to Xeno) Hmm, when you put it that way, removing it sounds fine. Probably ought to remove the cookie question, too. I've got to head off to class now, so this is my last edit for a little while. Useight (talk) 19:36, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
I left the cookie question because the user doesn't have a prior history of asking disruptive questions. However, per WT:Requests for adminship/Archive 125#Going to start removing stupid questions, it should probably be removed as well. –xeno (talk) 19:38, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
(@ frank) I don't really think I'm the staunch defender of kurt's opposes that you think I am, I used to be on the other side of the coin but I've come around somewhat. "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death, your right to say it." Anyhow, keepscases has a history of asking these silly questions which is why I removed his; but somewhat per your other sentiment, I left the cookie one. –xeno (talk) 19:40, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I think (to several above) that the point is that it's not for other editors to determine what is an appropriate question. It's a bit indelicate to make the suggestion of drug use here, so I won't go into examples, but supposing the user's answer reveals something that other editors find either a positive or a negative? Suppose the answer is rude? Suppose it's eloquent? I, for one, was mightily impressed by the haiku question and answer. I find these questions to be far more useful than any robotic opposes that come up. Also, I commented on WJBScribe's page but got no comment; not sure what (if anything) to make of that. But the bottom line is I don't think the warning is appropriate.  Frank  |  talk  21:34, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

alright, you're probably right. i struck the warning. –xeno (talk) 22:58, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Keepscases

Hello Xenocidic. Don't you think the questions of Keepscases are funny? RfA is very stressful. His questions can help to reduce stress. Mr. Kurt is allowed to do whatever he likes. Nobody is doing enough to stop Kurt Weber. Questions of Keepscases are far better than Kurt’s nonsense. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 05:03, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I already softened my stance to him as can be seen at his talk page per the #RfA "warning" thread above. I'm fine with his questions as long as they're not overly ridiculous, or make inappropriate assumptions such as the candidate is an hallucinogenic drug user. Yes, they might relieve stress, but on the other hand, they might add more, as WJBscribe astutely pointed out. –xeno (talk) 11:38, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply. I think you have a point. After my unsuccessful RfA, I learned something: here you must be very careful about what you say. If you make an inappropriate joke, you will get into trouble. Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 15:47, 24 July 2008 (UTC)


WP:CFD/W

(Re [65]) The WP:CFD/W page is permanently protected, so while normal editors could take care of moving the articles and whatnot, they wouldn't be able to update the page or add in anything, also meaning they couldn't close CFDs like they used to (adding to the backlog). Why they can't and the details behind it I don't hve a good knowledge of. Wizardman 20:45, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

I'm in ur talk page, making new sectionz

I was wondering: would it be terribly rude, if I were to run for RfA, to intentionally leave the acceptence line up just to piss you off? :-) --KojiDude (C) 20:53, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

heh, if you want a neutral =) –xeno (talk) 20:56, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Hmm... tempting... ;-) --KojiDude (C) 21:01, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
My RFA parameters state that if you can demonstrate enough clue, you can overcome the nom line mistake. There's also a herring involved, as far as I remember. xeno (talk) 00:43, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

AIV padlock too big

Hi Xenocidic. I agree with full protection for {{AIV}}, but would you consider adding 'small=yes' to the pp-template, so that we don't have to see such a large padlock? The big padlock template is more appropriate on disputed *articles*, in my opinion, where you are trying to get people's attention. EdJohnston (talk) 21:18, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

 Done, you coulda done it ;>, I just changed the one that was there before, which was also bigified. =) –xeno (talk) 21:20, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for your resolution. I'll let you know if he responds back on my talk page or if anything else happens. :-) c-ya around. --Eric (mailbox) 00:09, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

See my userpage

Prom3th3an has retired, possibly permanently, as a Wikipedia editor and may not be returning, at least not for the foreseeable future. He or she may, however, make the odd visit back. Best wishes and good luck!

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Prom3th3an (talk • contribs) 08:24, July 22, 2008 (UTC)

Back

Back from vacation. Thanks for the heads up, it seems I got a little confused on nomenclature in my little speech to Waltzingmatilda. Overall was it appropriate though? I tried to be very courteous and down to earth. 28 edits away from 500 :)Washburnmav (talk) 14:22, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it was a reasonable response. The person has stopped discussing it, and we've greatly improved the sourcing of the article in the mean time. Welcome back =) xeno (talk) 14:26, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: AMIB

AMIB, is A Man In Black, and my freind is right, he does get away with murder, but that's probably because he's an admin.Fairfieldfencer FFF 16:17, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Admins are not above the law. Were AMIB to commit the exact same actions that led to your friend being blocked, he would not "get away with it". Especially the 3RR and personal attacks. Swearing is one thing, but calling another editor a "jumpy bitch" and an "ignorant dumbass" is unacceptable, full stop, as is violating WP:3RR. xeno (talk) 16:21, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Rollback

Just completed my 500th edit =]. Would you mind reviewing my contribs one more time for rollback eligibility? Thanks Washburnmav (talk) 18:10, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Sure, give me a minute. –xeno (talk) 18:13, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Everything looks good to me. Rollback granted. Just ensure that you never use the native rollback if there is any question about the edit. If it could be considered good faith, use the Twinkle rollback with an edit summary. –xeno (talk) 18:47, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the rollback! I'm looking forward to some more down-and-dirty vandal fighting. Now I have one more weapon in my 'arsenal' =). I won't let you down. Washburnmav (talk) 18:50, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

You rule!

Thanks so much, AGAIN, for making my account! Did you change my username too? If so thanks again! ~~Sealim~~ (talk)

No problem. Nope, that was a bureaucrat. –xeno (talk) 18:19, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh, btw I can't even use Twinkle! Any ideas? ~~Sealim~~ (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 18:22, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
What browser are you using? –xeno (talk) 18:31, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Internet Explorer, thats not the problem, says I am "Too new". ~~Sealim~~ (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 18:32, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
well, yes, internet explorer is a problem because Twinkle won't work on it, at least not last time I checked. You might also need to have an autoconfirmed account (4 days). –xeno (talk) 18:34, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Auto confirm?? Aw, darn, I hate all those other internet browsers, they lag!! -.- Oh well, I can live without it. Any substitutes? ~~Sealim~~ (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 18:36, July 22, 2008 (UTC)
Firefox lags a log less than IE. Alternative would be manual undo. –xeno (talk) 18:37, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I'm not changing though, thanks for the alternative. Happy blocking/editing/whatever! ~~Sealim~~ (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 18:40, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

←Please sign your posts with four tildes ( ~~~~ ) so the date is included automatically. cheers, –xeno (talk) 18:42, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok sorry ~~Sealim~~ (talk) 18:44, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
No problem. –xeno (talk) 18:47, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm off now ~~Sealim~~ (talk) 20:46, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Heh, I just noticed that you restored Fire types: are we retargeting the redirects instead of deleting them like I saw on the admins' noticeboard? I jumped at the chance to do a mass delete as I'm currently quite bored, but I'll stop if I'm doing the wrong thing… {{Nihiltres|talk|log}} 18:29, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Appears so ... =) –xeno (talk) 18:30, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
(ec) Sorry, just me being stupid; I read the now-updated thread and it now makes more sense. I'll undelete and retarget most of the links; I think some are a bit ambiguous like "Water types" could be "types of water" instead of "Water-type Pokémon". {{Nihiltres|talk|log}} 18:34, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
eh, no problem. I can't say I particular care much about these redirects, but just wanna do what's best =) –xeno (talk) 18:35, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

RE: Insignificant Edits

(Re [66]) Consider it done. My apologies. --Mwutz 21:11, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
Maybe in the future I'll write a script to skip those edits, but for now I'll just skip if no typo is fixed. --Mwutz 21:14, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: AWB

(Re [67]) It's be nice if you could enable it on this account. Shapiros10 contact meMy work 17:10, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

 Done, enabled for you. xeno (talk) 17:12, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. Shapiros10 contact meMy work 17:14, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

For the future, could you help me out with AWB? Shapiros10 contact meMy work 22:57, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

HI and about my reverts

Hi this is Matthew Azevedo and I was wondering if you could answear my questions...

1. Why do you think the problem is resolved??? It is not.... 2. I dont know why you agree with Eric that he reverted my edits???... I mean that's why I put Futurestar= Future celebrity and Matt is my name on my youtube account and that also means Future article about me in Wikipedia. 3. I know that wikipedia is not a not a chat room... so why does eric think that I am doing what he thiks that I am doing???

That's my questions... my facts about me

1. I dont hate wikipedia, I just dislike the editors 2. I will be the next Intenet Celebrity hence (FuturestarMatt) 3. Also my edits are not neutral point of view.... it's fact

Last but not least #5. It's true that I got my final warning on my wiki. account and I will not edit any more due to that warning.

I will be on a wikipedia page due to my rising fame

Sincerly, Matthew Ryan Azevedo

ps. I know I might sound stupid but it's true

—Preceding unsigned comment added by FuturestarMatt (talk • contribs) 20:41, July 22, 2008 (UTC)

  1. The AN thread is resolved because I left you a message.
  2. I agree your edits should have been reverted because you can't use Wikipedia to promote yourself. If you do become so notable that an article about you was worth of inclusion, then someone else should write it, not you.
  3. I don't know why eric thinks you are using Wikipedia as a chat room, perhaps you can ask him.
  4. I don't think you had a number 4.
  5. You are free to edit Wikipedia constructively, as long as you don't use it to promote yourself or edit with a conflict of interests.
Let me know if you have any further questions or concerns. P.S. If you do want to add to the WP:AN thread, please feel free to do so. –xeno (talk) 20:45, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

So does that mean.....

So does that mean A person other than me could write the same exact edit and not will be reverted??? Also thanks for the previous answear. sincerly, Matthew Azevedo AKA. FuturestarMatt —Preceding unsigned comment added by FuturestarMatt (talk • contribs) 23:22, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

They would probably be reverted as well - since you do not yet meet the criteria for inclusion based on WP:Notability (people) or even the general criteria for inclusion. Also, please do remember to sign your posts using four tildes as follows: ~~~~. Thanks, –xeno (talk) 23:25, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Yet, another question

I think we know that my edits was reverted. So were clear by now with that... I am just wondering if I would ever be in a wiki. article without that articel being reverted. So here is the question would I ever be in Wikipedia??? --FuturestarMatt (talk) 00:07, 23 July 2008 (UTC)FuturestarMatt

Please read this: Wikipedia:BIO#Basic criteria. Once you meet those basic criteria, you would probably qualify for inclusion in Wikipedia. –xeno (talk) 00:10, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Ok I've read it.....

Ok I've read it and fully understand it... But could you give me some examples if you would to make me the next internet celebrity so I could be in wiki. I know I am asking alot but could you??? also just to let you know that I am not a attention-freak. --FuturestarMatt (talk) 00:18, 23 July 2008 (UTC)FuturestarMatt

If there was a newspaper article written about you, preferably more than one - that would start to establish your notability. By the way, please edit the existing section to pose further questions, rather than making a new section each time. –xeno (talk) 00:20, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

This is my first time editing someones page so dont this messy edit. My question is does pass newspappers count??? because I am in one. North county times --FuturestarMatt (talk) 00:27, 23 July 2008 (UTC)FuturestarMatt

Jumping in here: the notability guidelines for inclusion say you have to have non-trivial, third-party coverage. Policy also says that Wikipedia is not simply a collection of fleeting news articles. I have been mentioned in three local newspapers, but this does not make me notable for an article Fritzpoll (talk) 00:30, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I dont have the link to my news aritical in the past but I do have the actual newspapper which wont count... The only links that I have for me is my blog and youtube channel. Do you have any Ideas other than newspapper articles? --FuturestarMatt (talk) 00:56, 23 July 2008 (UTC)FuturestarMatt

Yes - do something amazing in the world, and then worry about whether or not you have a Wikipedia article (playfully intended) Fritzpoll (talk) 00:58, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
My suggestion would be to stop worrying about being included in Wikipedia and focus on increasing your Youtube viewership. If you become notable enough to be included in Wikipedia, someone else will put you in. –xeno (talk) 00:59, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks you guys/girls for supporting me to become the next internet/youtube celebrity--FuturestarMatt (talk) 01:03, 23 July 2008 (UTC)FuturestarMatt

Right, best of luck. (section moved up with your other one) –xeno (talk) 01:05, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

In passing...

Is it just me or is WP:RADWP descending into mild chaos? Ownership issues, spats over various things....seems a shame. Any chance you could, uh, take a lead, as I quite enjoyed listening to it Fritzpoll (talk) 21:52, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Things seemed to have stabled off, the main issue right now is no one creating episodes. Not sure what any of the "anchors" are up to, I've always just been a bit of a segment man. I suppose I could try and create a full episode or two, since I'm living the bachelor's life for the next week or so, but once my wife and kid get back it's back to daddy-duty whilst at home and not much time for the wiks. –xeno (talk) 21:55, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
I think it's odd that anything on-wiki has membership rules like that, and a formal hierarchy. I was just wondering if the thing was dying off or not. Don't stress about filling in :) Fritzpoll (talk) 21:57, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Yea, I tried to reduce some of the WP:BURO concerns. –xeno (talk) 22:01, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
On that issue, I remember my eyes being opened as a newbie when exploring the WP:ESPERANZA saga from oh so long ago. Fritzpoll (talk) 22:03, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok or not ok?

Can I welcome new users? Or not? Reply at my tlk page please. ~~Sealim~~ (talk) 21:56, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Welcoming

Hm? Why couldn't someone welcome a new user until after their first edit? I've never heard that before; actually, I think welcoming people might even make them less likely to use that account for vandalism. Well alright, that's just a little hope of mine, but still. GlassCobra 22:14, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Hrm, it's fairly common practice. Probably because so many accounts are created and never edit, we'd be creating so many unnecessary talk pages. I think it mentions that somewhere at the welcoming committee pages. –xeno (talk) 22:15, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
I've never heard of any practice like that. I've certainly welcomed my fair share of users with no edits. I'll take a look around and see if I can find what you're talking about, though. GlassCobra 22:17, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Yea, I looked at the WC and didn't see any mention of it. I didn't make it up though, let me know if you find out where I saw that =) –xeno (talk) 22:18, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
I think another reason not to "welcome" a non-contributing editor is that the standard {{welcome}} template starts out with "Hi! thank you for your contributions!. If they don't have even one yet, it's a rather silly template to add...Keeper ǀ 76 22:19, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Hm, I suppose you have a point. Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/Finding newbies says that an acceptable practice is going to the account creation log and welcoming people, which would probably include many accounts with no edits. I'm certainly not intending to harp you here, Xeno, I'm mostly just trying to clarify for all of our sakes. GlassCobra 22:20, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Not at all. Though I do remember reading it. It may have just been in talk page discussion, though. –xeno (talk) 22:22, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Help

Got a content blanking-fest going on at Aaron Tuten, but I've hit my limit. I'm pretty certain the IP is the other editor, but a hunch isn't enough to block under 3RR - can you take a look and revert if you feel its necessary? Fritzpoll (talk) 22:21, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

This kind of revert would fall under the 3RR exceptions: Wikipedia:3RR#Unwanted edits. Repeated removal of content without an edit summary is vandalism, plain and simple. –xeno (talk) 22:23, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
True - Why do I keep having issues getting 3RR? That's twice in a week. (sigh) Fritzpoll (talk) 22:25, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
I helped out a bit. :) GlassCobra 22:30, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.... Again!

Thanks for keeping an eye on my user page :-). StaticGull  Talk  11:07, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

....And yet again :-)

Thanks for reverting this rather odd edit too. StaticGull  Talk  11:16, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem on both counts =) –xeno (talk) 14:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

your the best

thanks Xeno. may I ask you what exactly you are doing for wikipedia? i mean do you just randomly roam the wiki pages looking for things to correct, or do you have a spacial purpose in mind? do they compensate you or is the knowledge and making a difference enough to satisfy you?

you should try to find that movie too...

) Hotmarcie (talk) 12:25, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
What exactly do I do here?! Good question! ;> I used to spend a lot of time working on video game articles, but these days like you said, I just kinda "roam" and help out wherever I'm needed. Admins do a lot of stuff like preventing vandalism by blocking problem users, deleting nonsense pages, creating accounts for people that have trouble, resolving disputes, etc. Nope - no compensation other than, like you said, the satisfaction of helping to further the advancement of knowledge. It's enough for me. =) I'll try to find that movie... –xeno (talk) 13:15, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

I posted help me on my talk page

(Re [68]) thanks for responding, I was confused about a note on my talk section about promotion of the library, but I think what I need is to read the help pages before proceeding with more contributions or editing. I see someone cleaned up my sources, thanks, whoever it was. ASdeF (talk) 13:35, 23 July 2008 (UTC)ASdeF

My reply here.

Repeat CSD Question

Can you (hello, stalkers) point me at policies regarding CSD - specifically, once it's declined it can't be requested again? I thought that was the case but can't find that policy. Also, what if it is declined but then a new criterion is chosen for a subsequent CSD request? I felt like that was against policy but I can't find anything to back that up either. Thanks!  Frank  |  talk  15:38, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Just off the cuff, I think a new criterion can be selected, but not the same one. –xeno (talk) 15:39, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
What about not renominating once it's been declined? I don't recall where I've seen that, either.  Frank  |  talk  16:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
The same one shouldn't be put on once it's declined, can't seem to find where that's mentioned. Seems to be a common occurrence here =) –xeno (talk) 16:06, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh

(Re [69]) I meant an archive bot not an article bot. -.- Sealim Man —Preceding undated comment was added at 18:37, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
Thanks! Sealim Man 18:42, 23 July 2008 (UTC)


Xenocidic

(Re [70]) Sorry, I asked you then I was looking through the bot pages and found out how. Thanks though. BW21.--BlackWatch21 18:53, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here

User talk:72.128.118.162

I sort of feel like I misused rollback when you blocked him for 3RR, did I? I reported him for vandalism, with the controversial edits he was making, and the vandalizing of my talk page, along with the uncivil edit summaries I thought he could be considered a vandal. I'm still a pretty new editor, so I apologize if I misused rollback. If so, I'll try and be more careful in the future. Have a good day, Landon1980 (talk) 23:11, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

eh, don't sweat it. the material was contentious and in violation of the BLP policy. –xeno (talk) 23:14, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
OK, thanks :) Landon1980 (talk) 23:16, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

No prob.

(Re [71]) Guess the rules have changed re. the blocked user template. I don't mind not adding it. Saves me some work.  :) --PMDrive1061 (talk) 01:09, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
Ah, gotcha. That does make things easier. Thanks for the tip. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 01:11, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

You Deleted my Article

You deleted the article Monster Blood for Beakfeast!.Please send me a copy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.215.11.160 (talk) 15:41, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here. –xeno (talk)

Template:Cite video game

(Re [72]) Thank you so will it work if I cite it? DH Michaels (talk) 18:16, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
I'm sorry I wasn't clear a minute ago hey did I do it right? DarrenMcFadden#Media DH Michaels (talk) 18:38, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
My reply here.

Thank you so much I don't mean to keep bothering you but is there a template like that to cite something from the internet? DH Michaels (talk) 20:40, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Thanks, Hey I was reading Wikipedia:Twinkle, and Wikipedia: Rollback feature.What are the requirments to get those? DH Michaels (talk) 20:56, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
O.K I figured on the rollback rights. So were do I go to download Twinkle (If I can) and will it work with DSL? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DH Michaels (talk • contribs) 21:04, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
My reply here.

Please delete this page

(Re [73]) Hi dear Xenocidic
I wanted to change my username (To let my friends knoe me, see my signature bellow!) before but i didn't know how to do this, so I moved my page User:Vespa64 to User:Amirreza and then usertalk page moved too. now i know how to change my username but there is this page(which i myself created) and my username can't be renamed. please delete the userpage too that i can rename myself. please delete it please. thank you.
--Amirreza (talk) 19:22, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
Thank U very very much for helping! Amirreza (talk) 19:28, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
My replies here.

Erm....

Am I doing a good job at marking nonsense/bio/advertisement and so on pages any good? Sealim Man 22:47, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Humor

So, an IP comes along and vandalizes Bombyx mori (Silkworm), and another user adds {{fact}} to the edit in lieu of reverting it. Moral of the story: Read what you tag. —Animum (talk) 23:01, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

That's gotta go in the funnies =) –xeno (talk) 23:28, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
That's funny, although I don't fault the second user. If it were me, I wouldn't have touched it at all. It is possible, although unlikely, that a kind of larvae could taste somewhat like chicken. Due to the overuse of that phrase, however, it was highly likely that it was vandalism. I suppose he chose to err on the side of caution. Enigma message 00:48, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
The IP could think that it tastes like chicken, and I might not agree; in fact, I might think that it tastes like pasta. I, personally, might even think that the anonymous user is making a violation of Wikipedia:No original research. Also, you nailed my thoughts on the head. :-P —Animum (talk) 00:53, 25 July 2008 (UTC)


Just getting you up to date buddy

Yep. Hi, its me GENIUS. Gwen decided to put me back in, so im very glad. Btw, right now i am currently contesting the block of a user who is being blocked because Gwen Gale believes that the user is one of my sockies. Please contact a local checkuser and put a stop to that nonsense, i hate seeing other users get blocked on my behalf. Ill have the name for you in a minute. Cheers! Love isNoobish 03:21, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

The user is Kizzakiz —Preceding unsigned comment added by Love is Noobish (talk • contribs) 03:22, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Tsk, tsk, admitting to being a sock on AN/X... - Adolphus79 (talk) 03:33, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

IPs

(Re [74]) I seem to recall a large amount of controversy regarding IPs and whether or not they can vandalize or blank their own talk pages with the concensous being that it's a bad idea, but I haven't been here in a while so things may have changed pretty dramatically. I'm from way back when, y'know... I still think that it should be reverted, but I suppose that if it's different nowadays I can let the little anons be. --(Flying Ninja Monkey) (Banana!) 04:45, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Eh?

I reverted your revert on Adoni Maropis.[75] As it was a rollback, there was very little to go on; was this a stray rollback, or is there something else there that I don't know about? EVula // talk // ☯ // 22:54, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Yea, MFB II made all kinds of bad edits, MFC has been pretty much unresponsive to the issue, so I reverted all it's edits per a discussion at WP:BON. Reason being, it would take a human much longer to sort the good from the bad than for the bot to re-do the good. –xeno (talk) 22:56, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
I just remembered you're the one with every interwiki known to man ( ;> ) . If you feel like going through and sorting the good from the bad, be my guest. Not sure if MFC is coming back anytime soon. –xeno (talk) 23:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Haha, yeah, I have just a little bit of interwiki experience. ;)
I figured out what was up right after posting this; yeah, some of those interwikis were bad. I might go through your contribs and rollback anything that turns out to be a false-positive, but I really need to give some of my attention tonight to a Wikia project I'm a 'crat on. Too many projects, too little time. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 23:07, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Yep - feel free. again, there were definitely some good edits, but like i said, if MFC wasn't going to sort through 'em all, I certainly wasn't. Mass revert seemed the most sensible thing, and it was a little time sensitive since the rollback button goes away when someone else makes an edit. And yea, feel free just to use native rollback on any of the ones that turn out to be OK. –xeno (talk) 23:10, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 Done Went through all your edits, reverted about 215 of them. What fun. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 00:49, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Lol, you know I had considered asking you to go through them before I reverted them, but I just know how much *I* hate when someone drops by my talk page and says "hey there's a really difficult job that needs doing...can you do it?" ;> Good work, all the same. =) –xeno (talk) 00:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Wasn't actually that bad, truth be told... tabbed browsing makes stuff like this much, much easier (though so does being pseudo-multilingual). As it is, I was pleasantly surprised to see the edits suddenly stop while I was still in the As. I was expecting it to go on for a lot longer. :)
Besides, I think this will help kill those nasty rumors floating around about how sane I am. Gotta nip those in the bud... EVula // talk // ☯ // 00:56, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Well at least no one can say now that you're a crat that you're just resting on your laurels and CHU'ing and promoting and F the encyclopedia ;> –xeno (talk) 00:57, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
I just did one of my usual site-wide interwiki check-ups and realized what you were talking about with the "I didn't want my SUL cluttered up" thing was (first time I've done an interwiki search on Wikipedia since unifying my account; I'm now at 461). Was surprised to see so many new accounts in my SUL report...
Uh, anyway, the reason I came back was to say you're more than welcome to drop me a note with interwiki requests like this. Anything else and I might put it off, but I really do enjoy zipping around all the other languages. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:54, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
I dare not click that link =) Right, I'll put you in the rolodex under "nuts and other crazy people" ;> –xeno (talk) 18:56, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

FYI, This revert wasn't correct. MFB did link to the correct bn wiki page, but your revert linked back to the redirect page rather than the actual page. So, I've reverted your revert. Thanks. --Ragib (talk) 23:05, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem. –xeno (talk) 23:05, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Thryes

I saw that you blocked User:Thryes. Maybe you should block him again because he is back to vandalism. He just vandalized SummerSlam. His edit is located here.--WillC 21:03, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Looks like someone else got to him. Thanks for the report. –xeno (talk) 12:52, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, it was a little bit after I placed this message up.--WillC 19:18, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Adoption

Hi Xeno, sorry to bother you, but do you ever adopt anyone? If you do, have the time, and are willing could you adopt me? Have a good day. Landon1980 (talk) 15:43, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Sure, but my adoption technique is fairly informal, basically my door is always open for questions but at the present time I don't have any exercises or anything like that =) –xeno (talk) 15:45, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Ok, that sounds good. Basically I just want to gain experience in various areas. Right now, pretty much all I've done is patrol the recent changes, and report a few vandals to AIV. Do you have some tips on other things I could do, or any other areas I could help out? Landon1980 (talk) 15:49, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
I could tweak/post some of my old admin coaching exercises to a subpage, if you want. Or, Xeno could do the same thing, whatever. Let me know if I can help. Tan ǀ 39 15:52, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, there's always New page patrol, and fixing links to disambiguation pages is a never ending battle. What about joining a Wikiproject related to a subject your interested in and working on some articles and such? –xeno (talk) 15:53, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
@tan, yeah, i've been meaning on importing some of hersfold's adoption lessons and such, but... alas =) –xeno (talk) 15:53, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
I've seen several new articles while patrolling the recent changes which I thought should be deleted for various reasons, but I didn't know how to tag them properly. TAN, I'll take any help/advice I can get, any exercise you think would benefit me I'd be more than happy to try it. I've been wanting to try my hand at writing an article, but every time I think of something when I search for it someone has beat me to it. Thanks to both of you for your time. I know how busy administrators are, and I truly do appreciate it. Landon1980 (talk) 16:04, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Well you don't always need to be the creator of the article, plenty need improving =) As far as the CSD tagging, if you use Twinkle, it definitely provides easier tagging capabilities, but if not, review WP:CSD and there are some templates along the right hand side of the page. –xeno (talk) 16:37, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

AWB

User:Shapiros10/AWB Help. Shapiros10 contact meMy work 16:57, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok, whenever you update that page just sign the very first section of this talk page (notification section) the same way my adoptees do. –xeno (talk) 16:59, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Your protection of {{Gibsonian}}

Greetings, Xenocidic. I'm not entirely certain, but it seems like you protected {{Gibsonian}} from editing by unconfirmed users. Is this meant to expire once the William Gibson article is off the main page? If not it's quite concerning. Regards, Skomorokh 19:07, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

There's an increasing trend to indefinitely semi-protect widely used templates, but if you think that IPs and brand new users can provide valuable improvements to that template, then I'll lift the protection after it's off the main page. –xeno (talk) 19:53, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
I'd appreciate it. That's a very worrisome trend for an encyclopaedia that anyone can edit. Skomorokh 20:49, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Hrm, somehow I doubt that many anons and brand new users make worthwhile contributions to fairly stable templates like that. –xeno (talk) 20:55, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Twinkling enthusiasim

O.K I just got Twinkle set up and boy it's cool! Thank you so much for your help and I promise not to abuse the tools and I will probably not use them for a-while because I'm still learning is that a good idea? DH Michaels (talk) 19:38, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
You wrote: If it's straight and obvious vandalism, you can use the vandalism button, if it's good faith but unhelpful, use the rollback "agf" button, with an edit summary, and for anything in between just use "rollback" with an edit summary. Were are all of those icons I don't see any of them, where do they appear? DH Michaels (talk) 20:03, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
My reply here
One more question I found a user that created a page and it does not adhere to neutral point of view even though it was in April, 2008 he has not edited the page since should I leave a note on his talk page or not? DH Michaels (talk) 20:24, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
My reply here.
Do you think I did the right thing here? DH Michaels (talk) 20:47, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
My reply here.

re Dear Family

Civility Award

I'm not sure who you are, anonymous user, but I must say, bloody well said at Talk:John Dundee. I'm awarding you this civility barnstar (the first barnstar I've ever handed out to an IP) because you explained the issue quite perfectly with the utmost attention to the family's feelings. Not sure if she'll be back to read it, but good show nonetheless. –xeno (talk) 22:45, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, after years of toiling away as an anon, that is the first such recog I've received, AFAIK -- so, thank you indeed! I am constantly aware of how painful it can be to work here, a reason for sticking with anon mode... (Just having a small innocuous edit knee-jerk reverted without explanation can be hard to take.) It is just such an obvious classic disaster, for a family member to get involved with a personal WP article, with that one article being their only experience with WP. I did not fully research the history of what happened, but it seemed like the people interacting with her did not realize just what kind of a process mess they were participating in. It seems like there should be some standard thing like what I wrote, to present to "outsiders" who get caught in the WP process meat grinder unawares? As Paul Newman was told, what we are dealing with here is a "failure to communicate"... -69.87.199.246 (talk) 02:16, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Help requested

I don't have a lot of time currently, so I was wondering if you could sort out James Barry for me. I came across it, and some of the articles seem to have titles not consistent with the MOS, and the Irish MP articles all have issues (similar issues, considering they were created by the same user. Enigma message 17:08, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

In the words of a great man, "Can't someone else do it?" ;> –xeno (talk) 17:15, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
I've had a look at it and it seems info is very poor. I'll keep doing research and hopefully resolve it in the next day or two. That way Xeno can concentrate on what he does best :) Lympathy Talk 17:36, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
heh, cheers. i'll probably take a look at this when I get more time, but during the day I'm usually all about the in-and-out quick jobs. –xeno (talk) 17:37, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
As odd as it sounds, from all the research I've done, the edits are 100% correct and all dates reflect the references given and agree with what I could find. They all appear to be different people. Lympathy Talk 17:57, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Even so, the articles need work to even be stub-quality, and they should be moved, IMO. My problem is I'm not certain what they should be renamed to. Enigma message 18:00, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) is far too complicated for me to fully comprehend whilst I'm working =) –xeno (talk) 18:01, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
The problem here is that I believe Barry (1659) and Barry (1689) to be related but I can't find any evidence of this, also Barry (1739 may also be related). Lympathy Talk 18:11, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
*loudly clears throat* :P Enigma message 16:18, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Ok, in looking at the MOS, I see that it says "Years of birth and death should not be used in a page title to distinguish between people of the same name", but then how are we supposed to distinguish between the many Irish MPs with the same name? (Perhaps the districts they represented) It's something you might raise at the MOS talk page. Other than that, I'm not sure what more I can do to help. =) –xeno (talk) 16:25, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Fair enough. I'll do that. Enigma message 17:00, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
If you're curious, here's the discussion. Enigma message 01:27, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Jasper

Dear Xeno, the anonymous IP obsessed with the bogus Ιάσπερος-Jasper is at it again [76] [77] and this time he is even removing sources. Please have a look because this is becoming trully tiring. Thank you--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 19:20, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

He'll need a few warnings... Start with level 3 or so... –xeno (talk) 19:23, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I know, but I had to bring it to your attention at any rate--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 19:29, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

k, let me know if he breaks 3RR again, taking care not to go over it yourself =) –xeno (talk) 19:31, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your prompt reply and the advice. I seldom exceed 2Rs myself, but after seeing what happened to Dr K... well, one can never be cautious enough--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 20:00, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Restoration from Inclusionist's rampage

Somehow, {{icu-triage}} was deleted and then restored as a redirect to one of User:Inclusionist's own projects. Please see if you can resurrect the original version. In addition, Inclusionist sorely needs to be blocked, as he consulted no one at all before taking on this effort to merge WP:WICU and WP:ARS into his project - more like a hijacking. I'm spending quite a bit of time undoing his damage. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 20:14, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry for the inconvenience he caused, but blocks are preventative, not punitive. If he were to attempt to do it again when consensus is clearly against it, a block would be appropriate. I've moved the template back to its original location. –xeno (talk) 20:38, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

for notifying Inclusionist of the ANI thread. I was in process when I saw your post that you had done it. Banjeboi 20:35, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem. –xeno (talk) 20:38, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

My RFA

Haha, yes, thanks :D. It's hard, you know? I want to thank everybody, but it's just not practical to type the names of 70 users into a thanking template. Thus, everyone gets the BASEPAGENAME :). Here, you get one too:

Thank you for participating in my RfA, Xeno!
I am grateful for your confidence: My RfA passed by a count of 64/3/3, so I am now an administrator! Of course, I plan to conduct my adminship in service of the community, so I believe the community has a right to revoke that privilege at any time. Thus, I will be open for recall under reasonable circumstances. If you have any advice, complaints, or concerns for me, please let me know. Thanks again! ~~~~ <==(There you go!)

Oh, glad you noticed. Well alright, I suppose I can give you a real signature then. Thanks again for the confidence. :)Okiefromokla questions? 21:26, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

heh, you could templatefy it and use a {{{1}}} ({{subst:User:Okie/thanks|Xenocidic}}). would you believe that I hand typed thank-you's to all my participants? =) –xeno (talk) 21:29, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
...Well, I actually just discovered the wonders of {{subst:BASEPAGENAME}}. Who would have thought? Okiefromokla questions? 21:30, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
heh, that works too. i wanted to make it harder for you, though. i remember how tired my hands were i was after all my thankspam went out =) misery loves company, y'know? =] –xeno (talk) 21:32, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Just to let you know: As it turns out, your way would have been much better. I ended up fixing the non-substituted BASEPAGENAME templates and even had a spelling error in the thankspam I sent to the opposes and neutrals (I thought I put it through MS Word!). I'm just glad that is over; now I can do the stuff I really signed up for. Okiefromokla questions? 22:10, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
lol. now you should go block someone. try this guy, he's been extra disruptive lately. –xeno (talk) 22:13, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Talk pages

That guideline (heading portion) specifies only talk pages in general unless I missed it. On any talk page headings should be neutral. I'm not going to war with you, but I think your editing behavior should change. Regards, NonvocalScream (talk) 22:14, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

It is neutral. I was truly wondering, "why are we here?" i.e. "why have you called mass community attention to (what was at the time, and is pretty much still,) a completely unacceptable proposal?" –xeno (talk) 22:17, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

RfA Thanks

Lol, I think you're the first one to have the balls to thankspam using AWB. cheers mate =) Take into mind those things I pointed out to you about second chances... we never know when someone like that "hypothetical" vandal might turn the corner and become a good contributor. (trust me! it can happen). –xeno (talk) 14:34, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Is there any problem with using AWB for this? I mean, isn't manually doing this an enormous waste of good editor time??? I'll keep into mind what you and others thaught me on my RfA. Looking forward to working with you! cheers, --Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 14:39, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
heh, no, not really. it's just that there's those that think thank-spam is often far too impersonal, which is why I manually typed my thank-you's. you're just at the other end of the spectrum I guess, so it gave me a chuckle. –xeno (talk) 14:53, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Trout

I'm not completely sure that it is a good idea to put a LARGE trout in the hands of an angry editor. But, I liked the image and the message so I'm "lifting" it...Tks.--Buster7 (talk) 15:01, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

heh, be my guest. 'tisn't mine. there's a userbox for users too: {{User:SheffieldSteel/Trout}}. –xeno (talk) 15:04, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

In fact....

(Re [78]) I have. The reason for my focus on ANi is my disapproval with some Admin's actions. I'm also confident in my policy knowledge having had a baptism by fire at my first "deep" article involvement at Kosovo. One thing I've noticed is WP:CIVIL is such an abused policy, and I feel my opinion is as valid as any at the AN/i. If you have specific problems with any of my comments please come and discuss them with me. I'm not as much of an asshole as it seems, I assure you. Oh, and if I didn't know any better I'd think your entry at my talk page was kind of a jab at me. But I'm sure you'll say you were only concerned for me or the project, right? Beam 15:20, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
As I suspected, it's concern for me. I assure you, there is no need for concern. Looking at the 10 threads above yours in my talk page, maybe 3-4 have to do with ANi, and only one could be considered negative. One of them has to do with my suggest at a removal of a thread, which Wizardman eventually agreed with and did. One is a notice that a comment of mine there was so freaking good and hilarious it made a user's personal quote section (1 of 3 total quotes!!), and the other is one alluding to a conversation where myself and others were in agreement over NCVM's premature archivals. Maybe you should review those again? Beam 15:30, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
My replies here & here.
No,I don't. I just commented again. He was questioning the bounds of WP:Civil, and I am giving him an opinion that I hope he takes to heart. Restricting himself when he can, weary of any breaking of civility policy. Again, if you really are worried about me, and not insinuating that I shouldn't give my opinion, thanks and I appreciate it. But I'm ok. Beam 21:46, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: ANI Archiving

(Re [79]) Sure. Ncmvocalist (talk) 19:33, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

RFA thankspam (happy now? :P )

(Re [80]) Thanks for your support in my RFA, which passed with 140 supporting, 11 opposing, and 4 neutral. I will do my best to live up to the trust that you have given to me. If I can ever assist you with anything, just ask.

Cheers!

J.delanoygabsadds 19:39, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Gratz on making WP:100, I missed it by a long shot =) –xeno (talk) 19:41, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Barnstar

The Original Barnstar
For alerting me to an ANI, being impartial and fair on that ANI, and helping me with my user template. Wikipedia desperately need more administrators like you. Inclusionist (talk) 22:48, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

The reason why I was so thankful that you alerted me to the ANI, is because studies on wikipedia showed that those who write first set the tone. So in a dispute on Wikipedia, it is vital post first or as close to first as possible.

Without your help User:Xenocidic, it could have been days before I was alerted to this ANI, and some of the wild accusations would have been seen as truth. I have been banned before simply because I was unable to respond quickly enough. Thank you for your kindness. Inclusionist (talk) 22:48, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh..hey, thanks =) Just doin' my job. Glad that it's appreciated! –xeno (talk) 22:57, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my user page. =) I finished off blocking and protecting that IPs talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 00:32, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem =) –xeno (talk) 00:34, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks...

for blocking that vandal account. Exxolon (talk) 01:41, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Anytime. P.S., you may get faster service at WP:AIV - if it's clearly an unconstructive user. cheers =) –xeno (talk) 01:54, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Redundant Department of Redundancy...

Yeah... I didn't realize you had already blocked until after I saved... that guy's been a pain for a while now, the page got semi-pp'd for a while because of him, and as soon as the pp dropped off he came right back... - Adolphus79 (talk) 02:32, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem. I'll put that page on my watchlist. –xeno (talk) 02:34, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

adoption

(Re [81]) yes please adoptme, i need help with my articles, i need to get them in the right format, check them out and tell me what can u do Timothy Hodge, Betty Jean Hode, The Ross Singers,

--Daisy404 (talk) 03:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)daisy404--Daisy404 (talk) 03:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

What to do?

This revert seems to have been made as part of a wholesale rollback of a user who was just blocked as a sock. I make no judgment as to the sock block (I'm not qualified), but the edit itself actually seemed almost correct:

The editor is on wikibreak and redirecting his/her talk page to user page. What to do?  Frank  |  talk  04:33, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

There is one particular sock who loves to make seemingly innocuous changes to make Disney-related articles inaccurate. This is probably one of those cases. As far as PMDrive redirecting his talk to his userpage, just over-write the redirect and leave him a message if you have to - I don't really think he should be doing that when he's actively editing, but didn't feel it necessary to bring it up. –xeno (talk) 11:26, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, what I'm getting at is the "sock" made an edit that was more accurate than its previous revision, but it was reverted, apparently without checking. It is not clear to me that it's helping the encyclopedia which, as you may know by now, is what I am most focused on. Do we revert all edits from a banned user regardless of whether or not they are correct?  Frank  |  talk  11:40, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Normally, yes, but how do we know that the figure of 15 is more accurate than the figure of 500? I didn't see it mentioned in the source. –xeno (talk) 12:25, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm glad you asked, because I included the answer above. A reliable source says that CEC runs (at the time) 333 stores and acquired 13. The edit in question originally said CEC acquired 500 stores, but the revised edition said 15, which is pretty darn close to the actual 13 mentioned in the article. You could add the 13 and two parcels of undeveloped land to get 15. To think it is reasonable they acquired 500 stores for 19 mil, and when they only ran 333 themselves, stretches credulity.  Frank  |  talk  12:30, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Right, sorry was just doing a quick morning check as I ran out the door and thought that was just a quote from the article. This source seems to confirm the same as well. But yes, typically edits by banned users that are socks are rolled back en masse. –xeno (talk) 12:34, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Check out this seemingly worthwhile article he created now tagged for deletion as a creation of a banned user: Mamma Mia! The Movie Soundtrack Featuring the Songs of ABBA. –xeno (talk) 12:38, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!

(Re [82]) You know, somehow I knew something was backwards...anyway, I'd popped by to see about those MascotGuy socks and although the one in blocked, a few others are not. They are: User:Super Squirt Belly, User:Famous Squirt Belly, User:Outback Guy, User:Dancing Queen Guy (looks like we have us an ABBA fan) and User:Kookbelly, all created by User:Simon's Double Trouble Lifetime at the same time. The "Simon" account created what appears to be a genuinely legit (if obscure) article on the soundtrack for that new "Mamma Mia!" movie: Mamma Mia! The Movie Soundtrack Featuring the Songs of ABBA. I hate to see a legit article deleted even though I tagged it as a speedy, but house rules state that a hard banned user cannot edit at all, even if it's a legit edit. He'd done something almost two years ago (now deleted) on an obscure and totally NN freeway bridge in San Diego. Even after editing by several of his socks, it was little more than a two-sentence nanostub. So...what to do about this article? Thanks again for the tip. Best, --PMDrive1061 (talk) 14:18, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
  • Thanks again, but those should be variations on "belly" instead of "bally."  :) I can redirect them and save you the hassle. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 14:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
    The article has edits by other editors after creation... I'm not really sure on that one, I'm leaning towards decline speedy, but not sure how forceful the policy/guideline about no-edits-from-banned-users is, so I just left it alone. All those socks are now blocked (got them from the account creation log, don't worry about fixing the links). cheers, –xeno (talk) 14:29, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
    Sounds OK to me. We'll let him have this one since it's grown quite a bit. MascotGuy is one heck of an odd character. I think he means well given what I learned about him from his mom a few years ago via the username of one of his socks which happened to be her e-mail address, his spelling skills are top notch, he's learned to format articles, he actually created a good one here...but he has yet to leave so much as a keystroke on a talk page. What do you think about his creation at Goober (brand)? It's a legit subject, his references are good, yet technically, it can't stay. Likewise some of his very plausible redirects. So...do we let them all stay for the overall benefit of the project or do we send a message (which he'll never acknowledge) by deleting them? I'm torn here. I don't mind if they stay, but that's sending a wrong message. On the other hand, few vandals actually create useable content. This is just weird. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 14:58, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
    Never mind; looks as if Goober's been goobered.  :) I may recreate this myself. The stuff is, I believe, the first time that peanut butter and jelly were packaged in the same jar. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 15:00, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
    Yea, it's confusing. So he creates good content, but he also inserts nonsense figures? If you look at the thread above (I've combined these two), you'll see that another of his edits was actually correcting a glaring inaccuracy in an article. I wonder if we can't somehow get him to stop doing the bad stuff and keep doing the good stuff... Get him a mentor, or something. –xeno (talk) 15:03, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Posting guidance

Hello! Could I ask your advice on where best to get some administrative assistance with disruptions to the Taekwondo article? I'd earlier posted a message to the incidents page (here), but wanted to verify that I'd posted to the right place, or see if there might be some other more appropriate place to request assistance. Thank you for your help! ~ Huwmanbeing ☀★ 14:32, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that's the right place... I'll see if I can take a look. –xeno (talk) 14:34, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

User:SLJCOAAATR 1 causing problems still

Since you blocked him earlier this week, I thought I would let you know... he hasn't changed his attitude at all. He continues to attack AMIB here:Talk:List_of_characters_from_Sonic_the_Hedgehog_(games)#Dispute_resolution, as well as bad faith assuming/incivility here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games#List_of_characters_from_Sonic_the_Hedgehog_.28games.29. If you have time, could you look into it? RobJ1981 (talk) 16:39, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Just my two cents - there's some borderline stuff but nothing I see that warrants a(nother) block. Of course, I defer to any opinion of someone more familiar with the situation. Tan ǀ 39 16:50, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
(ec) The main reason I blocked him was for 3RR and gross incivility. I took a look and those threads and didn't really see anything too over the top - looks like a fairly heated discussion regarding a content dispute that I know almost nothing about so I wouldn't really be the best person to make a judgment call on it. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, though. –xeno (talk) 16:53, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Could you take another look? This link: [83], is more proof Skeletal wont act civil. I've told Skeletal to settle down a few times, but he chooses to either ignore it, or turns it back to me and says "tell AMIB the same thing, because he's doing it too". All AMIB has done (from the discussions I've seen), is swear once in a while due to Skeletal's poor attitude. RobJ1981 (talk) 20:01, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
2 more links that show his poor attitude: [84] and [85]. Skeletal is going over the edge in my view. Should I bring this up at the admin's noticeboard? He is making bad faith accustations now, and threatening to hack people. RobJ1981 (talk) 20:07, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
k, i dropped him a note. –xeno (talk) 20:15, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for doing that, but he hasn't stopped. He is still claiming AMIB and I are the same person. See: User_talk:SLJCOAAATR_1#Comment for more information. His user page here: User:SLJCOAAATR_1#Wiki_Friends.2FAllies_in_Editing, right by my name on his user page: "So totally AMIB's alt!". I don't need this garbage. Also see: [86] for more proof Skeletal just seemingly ignored what you said. Should I bring this up to an admin notice board yet? I'm getting very sick of his attitude. RobJ1981 (talk) 01:44, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
As an update, I've created this: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:SLJCOAAATR_1, as notes on his talk page don't seem to do much to help. RobJ1981 (talk) 02:07, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
And, for whatever reason, did not tell me about it. Uncivil as you would say. -.- Skeletal S.L.J.C.O.A.A.A.T.R. 00:57, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
His behavior is getting worse. See [87] for an abusive edit summary he did. RobJ1981 (talk) 19:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Huggle

So i got huggle to work at one of the places I edit from but not the other... but thats beside the point. I was wondering how I get myself to show up as a trusted user (blue), as opposed to my current status as reverted user (yellow)? Do you know? Washburnmav (talk) 14:55, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Should eventually happen automatically I think. I'm not too familiar with huggle but I found this at WT:HUGGLE: Anyone that huggle sees with other (currently) 500 edits will be added to the whitelist. ·Add§hore· Talk/Cont 06:17, 8 July 2008 (UTC) –xeno (talk) 14:58, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

NPOV/COI

Unrelated question: I am giving user Amberknight85 advice regarding Jay McGovern. He had trouble with formatting and how to edit but I am helping him through that. However, the material he is adding is very much like a political ad. This is obviously not appropriate for wikipedia. How do I proceed? Washburnmav (talk) 15:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Pointing them to NPOV was a good move, do you think there might also be some WP:COI concerns? –xeno (talk) 15:55, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I believe there is. For example, an excerpt from the Early life section:
"He will bring to the halls of government a strong work ethic, practical experience and recognized excellence in professional judgment"
Obviously political campaigning. Should I dive in and try to fix it? He is probably an employee of the politician. Washburnmav (talk) 15:59, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Could also just be a well-meaning supporter, but yes, you might want to consider that. –xeno (talk) 16:00, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Red Steel 2

Confirmed. Remove the protection. --SkyWalker (talk) 17:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

(Re [88]) No idea. "deprecating protected titles" = it was someone else's original protection by implementing the newer create=sysop system. Perhaps Sandstein (talk · contribs) knows the backstory? Anyway, as the article's been to AfD, it probably needs to go to DRV. But I honestly have no idea what Red Steel is. --MZMcBride (talk) 17:29, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Thanks bud. --SkyWalker (talk) 18:04, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Talk page vandal

Check out the latest vandalization of my talk page. Its pretty absurd, even for my standards. Glad to see I'm annoying the worst of them. Washburnmav (talk) 19:06, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Bloody hilarious. I wonder if he wrote that himself or just copied and pasted it from somewhere. –xeno (talk) 19:10, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Dear god. I hope he copied it. That was extensively developed (and admittedly well written). Washburnmav (talk) 19:12, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
I remember reading a similar story about someone who simply collected the "specimens", but that one went way further. –xeno (talk) 19:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Gives new meaning to "pinch a loaf", now, doesn't it...  Frank  |  talk  23:21, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
indeed. in this case, telling the vandal to "eat shit" wouldn't be taken as a personal attack! –xeno (talk) 23:22, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

New York

You need to urgently look at this. It was moved without a proper discussion. The one who started the discussion is now a blocked sock puppet. The old page is now a disambiguation. The move doesn't follow the naming conventions. It needs to be addressed now because they are moving other pages to redirect to the new one. This is very controversial, as seen on the talk page and it has messed up many templates. Thanks for your intervention. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:19, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.
Thanks a lot! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:28, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
My replies here.

An Explanation

My reading of WP:NPA is that you are not allowed to attack a person's individuality, i.e. what makes them a person. You can target their actions. However, this only applies when there is a specific target. If you say: "idiots upset me so much", that may be inappropriate, but without a subject, there is no way to claim it is a personal attack. Sure, she may be misleading or incorrect for the second part of her statement, but I objected to "This bald-faced lie in regards to the personal attack diffs". Accusations of lying, even if correct, are still a violation of civility. Why? Because they escalate conflicts. We can prevent someone from harming the encyclopedia without accusing them of such things. Ottava Rima (talk) 21:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Along those same lines, he did not call her a liar, but simply pointed out a very clear an obvious lie. If someone doesn't want to be accused of telling a lie, the best thing to do would be to not lie in the first place. Jmho. –xeno (talk) 22:52, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
It still seems to violate the spirit. Terms such as "misleading" are far more appropriate, as they do not place the same moral emphasis on the actions. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:05, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
I suppose he could've sugarcoated it, but she was clearly being facetious. –xeno (talk) 23:07, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Then ignore it. (or, well, he should ignore it). Unless he is saying that she has a habit of fabricating claims, then there is no point. She was defending her actions to another editor in an area that didn't really matter. It already went to AN/I, so enough people saw a problem. Salt in wounds is not the best way, especially when she has been here for more than a year. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:18, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Fair enough. I've collapsed the discussion, as it was distracting to the issue at hand. –xeno (talk) 23:23, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

re:O RLY ?

Wow, I totally wasn't expecting that. Thanks! Artichoker[talk] 01:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I think I stole that from Useight, and its handy for the people who don't (or forget) to watchlist talk pages that they have edited. I usually put the my reply here thing immediately after I post, so I like to sign it. Artichoker[talk] 01:59, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
It's a good technique, I like it. Seems to be the best way to both keep a conversation together and post on the other editor's talk page so they'll get the new message bar. Useight (talk) 02:56, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes, but on the same token, I've started adopting the "I'm just gunna reply here" mentality unless the person is a new user and thus unlikely to keep and monitor a watchlist (sometimes pinging non-new-users if it's really important and they haven't replied after a period of time). –xeno (talk) 02:58, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

RFA thank-you

Thank-you for your support of me at my recent RFA, which was successful. I have appreciated everyone's comments and encouragement there. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:15, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Heads up

[89] as someone replied. —Giggy 09:30, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

cheers mate. =) –xeno (talk) 11:31, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

RfB Thank You spam

Thank you for participating in my RfB! I am very grateful for the confidence of the community shown at my RfB, which passed by a count of 154/7/2 (95.65%). I have read every word of the RfB and taken it all to heart. I truly appreciate everyone's input: supports, opposes, neutrals, and comments. Of course, I plan to conduct my cratship in service of the community. If you have any advice, questions, concerns, or need help, please let me know. Again, Thanks! — Rlevse • Talk • 08:48, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

autonumbering

Just a quick note because I've seen you move comments to preserve autonumbering in RfAs twice now (e.g. in Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/L'Aquatique#Neutral). The system is that the first comment with a leading "#" will be counted, whether or not it is indented as "#:". Usually, if the first !vote is withdrawn, it therefore isn't indented as "#:", and there is also no need to move another (not-withdrawn) !vote to the top to preserve numbering. Simply removing the leading "#" from all comments above the first 'active' !vote does the trick. user:Everyme 11:27, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Right, I seem to recall some issue with that (tango bot getting confused), but I'll see how the next one goes. –xeno (talk) 11:30, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Blanking

Regarding this: Someone thinks I am a serial page-blanking-edit-reverter that deserves a spanking, further evidenced here. I think I pretty much do things the way you said, but there is some impression that I am doing otherwise. Can you find any evidence that I'm doing something untoward here?  Frank  |  talk  13:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm a big fan of the 'ole "diffs or it didn't happen" defense ;p By the way, I personally am of the mind that the block template should remain whilst the block is active, but consensus seems to have formed that IPs can do what they want to their talk pages as long as they don't remove those 3 elements I mentioned. –xeno (talk) 13:15, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Apologies

Sorry about the boo boo over at this guy's page, it had come to a stage where I got really mad at that bugga for constantly flouting wiki's policy on no personal attacks on other editors despite cautioning her/him on more than three separate occasions and the usage of weasel words on a few discussion pages as well as adding multiple coyvio entries in wikipedia. Anyway, thanks for correcting my mistake. Cheers! --Dave1185 (talk) 21:45, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem. Though you really ought leave it up to admins to apply blocking templates, especially if you're involved =) –xeno (talk) 22:13, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Xenobot Request

Hello, Xeno, hope you are well. The guy who runs the bot that normally delivers the Judaism newsletter is on extended wikibreak for medical reasons and I was wondering if Xenobot could fill in? This is the newsletter: Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/Newsletter, and the full list of recipients (everyone on that page, under all subheaders): User:L'Aquatique/wpjewlist. Note that because the newsletter covers multiple wikiprojects there may be some people who appear in more than one and it would be great if they didn't receive the newsletter multiple times. What else? Oh, it needs to be substed not transcluded if at all possible and if you could instruct it to deliver on the 2nd of August that would be perfect.
Oh, also, I've noticed you've been working on the account creation mailing list- excellent, we really need admins! The only advice I have for you is you don't really need to drag out the long lawyer-text-like notice for when they don't give a desired username. Just reply to both them and the list that they need to pick a username. Saves time! : )
Thanks again- L'Aquatique[talk] 04:34, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Yea, good point, those suggested templates are unnecessarily verbose =) Sure thing, I can deliver the newsletter. Any particular header you would like me to use? Any opt-out text from the bot or is that in the newsletter? The bot will sign the text for archivebots to work properly, but I can hide the sig with span tags if you like. –xeno (talk) 11:31, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, it comes preloaded with the header, so all that xbot should have to do is just add {{SUBST:Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism/newsletter}} to the bottom of all the people's talk page. Sign it any way you want! The opt out is built in- there is a note at the bottom of the newsletter which provides a link to the list I gave you so then people just remove their names themselves. Oh, just in case you didn't see this, there are several headers of lists, make sure you get all the people. Thanks so much for doing this- L'Aquatique[talk] 05:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Shall do =) –xeno (talk) 14:02, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

The adoption.

Wait, what about sock puppetry? I'm afraid I must have missed something? --JpGrB 01:06, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

It looks like they created multiple accounts to try and argue for the inclusion of those articles. With that in mind, I wouldn't blame you if you washed your hands of this particular person, and found a more clueful adoptee from C:ADOPT. –xeno (talk) 01:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking about that. I believe I will this user a few weeks to turn around their attitude. If they still seem to be in this "funk" by then, I'll start anew. I'd like to help editors who want to learn to better this encyclopedia, just as editors who have bettered it when I began here. And hopefully this editor will turn around. If that makes sense. But I do thank you for your help. --JpGrB 19:59, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Question

Was this a no-no? J.delanoygabsadds 15:01, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, it would've been better just to say something like this. But, I'm not completely innocent of playing along with IP's silly unblock templates: User talk:78.151.161.213. –xeno (talk) 15:02, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
With Gwarp and Haggar edits right off the bat, he can rot in a hole... you know, IMHO, not that I would ever be BITEy or anything... - Adolphus79 (talk) 15:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
that's another user altogether... but I am curious to see how he handles the 2nd chance template. –xeno (talk) 15:13, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Impressive start. –xeno (talk) 15:17, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
WP:DUCK, my friend, WP:DUCK... ;) - Adolphus79 (talk) 15:27, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
The fact that he chose a devon-related article, the template of which was recently hagger-ized, certainly doesn't do much to allay my concerns. –xeno (talk) 15:28, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Another one

Would it be inappropriate for me to delete First daughter first son? See this. J.delanoygabsadds 17:13, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Hrm, if you were the first and only prodder, I'd say "maybe" but since you guys (apparently non-ec double-prodded?) , I don't think it would be a huge problem if you were to delete it. –xeno (talk) 17:16, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Ok, so basically, as long as I'm not the only person who thinks it should be deleted, I should be OK? J.delanoygabsadds 17:21, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Pretty much. That article is cut-and-dry. If you were the only one to prod it, I'd probably say "let someone else do it". –xeno (talk) 17:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Spoilers

I recently encountered a user attempting to add a spoiler warning to a page. I noticed the spoiler template existed once but was deleted. Is there any protocol re information considered a spoiler, or are spoiler comments left untouched? Washburnmav (talk) 16:08, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not omit spoilers, as it should be obvious an encyclopedia will cover subjects in detail. Relevant policy is here: WP:SPOILER. –xeno (talk) 16:43, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Gotcha, I was just wondering if there was a notification of "spoilers to follow", but I see now there is not. Thanks Washburnmav (talk) 17:54, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

{{Adminhelp}}

Yo Xenocidic: I created this template using the category you changed to, but Werdan7 (talk · contribs) objected here. I think the template is a good idea and would like to have it work in the manner you have changed it to do, but don't want to cause anyone trouble. Any ideas? Skomorokh 18:25, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I see................ Hrm... Not making it a subcategory would be one way. Lemme see what keeper has to say about it, he found it. –xeno (talk) 18:31, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Ha, pwned. I already posted at Skomorokh's page. I like it, and I support the differentiation for specific needs. If it's used even once a week effectively, it's useful enough. Keeper ǀ 76 18:33, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

User:Paperbroke1

I'm going to deny his unblock request and throw in a 2nd chance template. Does that sound alright with you? Okiefromokla questions? 18:28, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Definately...go for it. –xeno (talk) 18:29, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Just personal preference, but I find it reads better if you decline it with a "See below" and then subst it into a new talk page section. –xeno (talk) 18:42, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Eh, might do that next time :) Okiefromokla questions? 20:57, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Good job!

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
Well golly gee! Per [90], I award you this barnstar! Great job mate! Where did you find the energy to complete such a lengthy conversation?! Surely took a load off my shoulders. Happy editing! ----eric (mailbox) 18:48, 29 July 2008 (UTC)}}
heh... oh yea, that was a lot of fun =) thanks for the barnstar.... i've had a few convos like that. find the one about the guy's signature... eesh! =) –xeno (talk) 18:55, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
xD ----eric (mailbox) 18:57, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for unblocking my account

Thank you for unblocking my account. I've tried to tell coworkers that wikipedia is not a joke, but I guess you can't have everyone listen to you. tabor-drop me a line 19:19, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, i'm familiar with your co-worker... it's too bad that he went rogue. –xeno (talk) 19:20, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, too bad. Wikipedia is the only website outside of company websites we have access to, so using it makes the time go by quicker. Many thanks though! tabor-drop me a line 19:29, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Give me a break

It wasn't a good faith talk. It's just someone being a nimrod and making rude comments. --Reezy (talk) 19:34, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Can you give me some context as to what this is about? never mind, I figured it out. it wasn't a big deal, if it had been, I would've left you a message. still shouldn't remove others talk pages comments. –xeno (talk) 19:41, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Image:RivetHandtool.jpg

I see that you declined my speed delete of this image. I'm just curious why, because I feel it is blatant advertising. The image focus is solely on the logo of manufacturer. In the background you can make out a fuzzy rivet tool, but I don't think that justifies the use of the image. If you got to the talk page for the rivet article you'll notice that others think that the image is worthwhile either. I'm sure that a better image of a riveting tool can be found. Thanks! Wizard191 (talk) 20:02, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Hrm... I suppose I see your point. I'm not really familiar with "rivet tools" so I didn't know that it wasn't a good depiction of one, and only after I declined the speedy did I see the talk page discussion about it. I'll undo my edit and let someone else handle it. –xeno (talk) 20:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! Wizard191 (talk) 20:12, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Looks like someone agreed with you: (Deletion log); 21:55 . . Athaenara (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Image:RivetHandtool.jpg" (WP:CSD#G11: blatant advertising (likely copyvio as well). Created by Rivetpro, tagged by Wizard191.) =) –xeno (talk) 02:02, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Madhukar (author)

I've responded on my talk page, but I just wanted you to know I'm happy to work with you (and the author) if it means we get a useful article out of it, and I've been known to make mistakes. Accounting4Taste:talk 22:14, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Many thanks for your excellent suggestion -- I agree completely with your proposed course of action. As I said there, I'm only sorry to have caused you extra trouble in the sense that I have to go offline and can't do what's needed myself. Accounting4Taste:talk 22:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
No problem at all. –xeno (talk) 22:23, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Sorry to keep bugging you...

Image:Miley cyrus2.jpg.

Did I handle that right? I mean, are images that are blatant copyright violations deletable on sight? (And yes, I know I tagged it for speedy deletion first - sue me. I'm not used to being an admin :P ) J.delanoygabsadds 00:18, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Images are not my forte, but I would say, yea, that's probably appropriate. And no problem. –xeno (talk) 00:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Deliver newsletter for Shepbot?

Hi, could you deliver this newsletter for the LGBT project? Banjeboi 10:56, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

 Done. cheers, –xeno (talk) 13:45, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

A comment...

...on this: the editor in question is clearly brimming with clue. I don't think you'll make or break this discussion, from the way things look so far, but it would be good to at least go neutral. Having been at it a few weeks myself, I can say from experience that the best experience is...experience. You can't possibly cover all the scenarios in advance; the overriding criterion has to be proper judgment. In the same way we want to turn editors toward expanding constructively, let's be careful to avoid overwhelming potential admins. If good editors are golden, good admins are...latinum (the Ferengi version), perhaps?  Frank  |  talk  14:23, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Yea, I'll be taking another look soon. Still going through the morning routines. –xeno (talk) 14:26, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

On a somewhat-related note, regarding your most recent edit there...did you notice that comment came from the same one that suggested I was harassing (see thread near the top of this page)?  Frank  |  talk  15:15, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I was actually going to drop in and tell you - the reason they're staunchly defending pageblanking is because they are a big fan of blanking their page without responding to queries. –xeno (talk) 15:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Celebratory

Hello Xeno, Washburnmav has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Go on, smile! Cheers, and happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

I just hit 1,000 Edits! I've come a long way =) Washburnmav (talk) 21:07, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

nice! congrats =) but remember: edits don't define your worth as an editor... consider trying to unplug from the vandal fighting once in a while and work on articles (lol as if I am one to be saying this ;>) –xeno (talk) 21:10, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice. I'm more of a copyeditor, and I have unplugged to heavy amounts of that to various pages such as Seax and Persian war elephants(a work in progress). I'll try to expand more in the future. Washburnmav (talk) 00:04, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Ah, ok, glad to hear it. =) By the way, someone just told me it would be naive to unblock our 'hypothetical' vandal... ;> –xeno (talk) 00:08, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Haha, well I don't blame them, I did seem tlike an unlikely case. However, it seems it's definitely worth the chance, as its so easy to fix any future vandalism had you been wrong in unblocking. When giving a 2nd chance is so harmless, its hard not to warrant it in my mind. Especially if a decent unblock/2nd chance template request is made. Washburnmav (talk) 16:55, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Pretty much what I said =) "Vandals are a dime a dozen, but constructive contributors are golden". –xeno (talk) 16:57, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Curious re: blocking procedure

I noticed with regards to User:Dackler099, it appears (he) was blocked after one bad edit. I'm only asking because I don't know the finer intricacies of wikipedia policy, but it is possible to block someone with one bad (albeit egregious) edit as opposed to escalating warnings? --Blehfu (talk) 17:25, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, if they are evading a block. See his block log. His previous advertising-only account received several warnings. –xeno (talk) 17:28, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Ahh-- I guess admins have ways of tracking IPs? Thanks for the layout tweak btw. --Blehfu (talk) 18:05, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
If necessary, but I invoked the WP:DUCK clause. No problem. –xeno (talk) 18:06, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

How old

Hey I was just curious but how old are you? --Xander756 (talk) 19:14, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

The NES was my first console. –xeno (talk) 19:15, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
That gives no indication of age. You could currently be seven and your first console just happened to be an NES. Lost of retro gamers out there. --Xander756 (talk) 19:16, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I got it when it came out, and I've graduated university. –xeno (talk) 19:18, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Were you 15 when it came out or 35? Why are you being so avoidant? --Xander756 (talk) 19:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Privacy concerns. Why do you to know how old I am? –xeno (talk) 19:22, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Said right in my initial message, I am just curious. Sorry but I just don't see the point in hiding a persons age. Not like I asked for you Social Security Number or something. --Xander756 (talk) 19:23, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I got the NES when I was a young'in and I entered University right after high school and graduated not too long ago. Maybe I'm paranoid, but imo revealing precise personal details on the Internet is dangerous. I'm in my 20's. –xeno (talk) 19:25, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
I'd say "young 'un", but then Keeper wouuld probably come in here and chide me for that. :-) Tan ǀ 39 19:27, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
(too funny that I e/c'ed with you Tan) NES was your first console! You're a pup!. And Xander, there is absolutely no valid reason, including curiousity, to be asking your question, and when not given an answer to your liking, to continue to badger. Shoo. Keeper ǀ 76 19:29, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Do you have omniscient judgment? If not I don't think you could tell me if I do or don't have a reason for asking something especially in such a rude manner. Thanks. --Xander756 (talk) 19:37, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Actually, Keeper is right. You're badgering, and then being snarky when called on it. Stop. Tan ǀ 39 19:39, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
(re to Xander). Xander, you're a good editor. You've had a bad day, and are getting a bad rap on Request for Permissions/ANI. Wikipedia is not worth the stress. I recommend a cold beer (if you're old enough, none of my business), a long drive, maybe a good fuck. Come back tomorrow? We admins ain't all bad guys. Keeper ǀ 76 19:41, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Xander, Keeper's statement was that there's no valid reason, not that you have no reason.  Frank  |  talk  19:44, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
  • Here's some free advice while you're here: you won't get rollback granted if you don't admit that it was used inappropriately (which it was) on the Forrest Griffin article. Trying to wikilawyer to prove you were right in using it in that case is just going to waste (more) space and time. Heck, I'd support giving it back to you if you can do that, and agree not to use it in ambiguous cases like that in the future. –xeno (talk) 19:42, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Late comment: Xeno, for what it's worth, I would have just said "none of your business" and moved on. GlassCobra 02:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

madhukar author

First of all thanks a lot for your support!! I´ll work on the article the next days, trying to find more reliable sources. i know there is a book and a documentary film about him published in Italy and I also read some interviews in german newspapers, these sources I will add. Is this what is needed? ? I also can add more references about the philosophy Advaita-Vedanta, but in fact it´s an article about Madhukar and not about Advaita, isn´t it? Wish you the very best :-) Syb (talk) 14:41, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the articles must be written directly about the person, not about his philosophy. –xeno (talk) 14:47, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Coudnt stay away

Im sure you would have noticed by now, but I have decided to continue editing Wikipedia.   «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l»  (talk) 15:06, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I've noticed =). Feel free to let me know if you need anything. And remember ... CMR! ;> –xeno (talk) 15:07, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

You may remember...

this. He's back again. [91] Enigma message 20:29, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

o boy. –xeno (talk) 20:32, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

on the puppetry of woolen footwear

[92]

Draw your own conclusions. I'm not liking what I see here and I can't assume good faith in this case. Enigma message 02:36, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Wasn't there someone from the other day who was asking these exact same questions? Never mind, it's the same person. I dunno what to say. Ridiculous oppose reason. –xeno (talk) 02:43, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Meh, not all his questions were that stupid. He asked an interesting one about cops becoming admins. GlassCobra 02:47, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
(ec)Obviously it's a ridiculous oppose reason, but looking at the user's contributions, it's a sock account, and not one created in good faith. Enigma message 02:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Yea, but of who? –xeno (talk) 02:49, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Search me. I tend not to remember disruptive users that well, so I couldn't possibly tell you which user this is. Checkuser might be able to shed some light, but "checkuser is not intended for fishing, blah blah blah." I doubt it will impact this RfA at all, but it's another one of those opposes where you hope the closing 'crat reads through the RfA. Enigma message 02:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
(Butting in... pardon me) ... it's User:JeanLatore, User:Rainbowwarrior1977, User:Wiki brah, etc. I can't be 100% certain without CU, but it's his style. He's around all the time: block one and he'll make another sock within a week. He'll nominate himself for admin within a day or two -- likely by the weekend. And upload at least one picture of a hot babe. Funny thing about this guy is, once in a while he makes good edits; it's like he has a compulsion to troll, and he's getting progressively better at it, because he's becoming more subtle. Practice makes perfect. Check out [93]. There's lots more. I think I blocked the last one (User:AdamBraniff75). While I'm tempted to just block him and get it over with, there's a chance I'm wrong, I think it will be more obvious shortly. Antandrus (talk) 03:07, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Ah ... yes, that's who it reminded me of. And the promotion of drug use on the userpage... Affinity to Florida... It all fits. And, "butt in" any time ;> Talk page stalkers welcome here. –xeno (talk) 03:08, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Cool. I like TPSs too. One of the things that makes Wikipedia fun.  :) Antandrus (talk) 03:12, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, the promotion of snorting cocaine on his talk was the most obvious red flag. I'd indent the vote/!vote, but I've been bold about such things in the past, and people tend to get pissed off (usually someone else who is opposing, who believes that every oppose should be given as much weight as possible). Enigma message 03:18, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Should probably kick it up to SSP? –xeno (talk) 03:21, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
That would be a fine idea if we had any administrators working at SSP. :) Enigma message 03:25, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
SSP isa joke at the moment, tag the userpage with sockpuppet, and take it straight to RfCU... - Adolphus79 (talk) 03:32, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Not a joke today! Enigma message 17:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Wewt backlog cleanup! Nice little run you had there... - Adolphus79 (talk) 18:03, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure I now hold the record for most SSP cases closed in one day. Enigma message 18:09, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Looks good to me. Hate to admit it, and I'll be pilloried for heresy, but this one was damn funny. Bishonen was the one who finally whacked her over the head. Still makes me laugh how she got all these guys to believe she really was this amazingly sex-crazed hot babe. Antandrus (talk) 04:04, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Bingo

Notice that he put a South Carolina Wikiproject Userbox on his talk page? That would be the only userbox I've ever had. Good catch, Xeno. Darkspots (talk) 04:03, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

actually, the credit should go to enigmaman for spotting him and Antandrus for making the connection. i just put the rest of the pieces together =) –xeno (talk) 04:06, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Nice work anyway. I never would have known who it was. I come across socks all the time, it seems, but I generally am not familiar enough with our serial sockpuppeteers to know which one it is this time. Thanks xeno and Antandrus. Enigma message 04:08, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
This one, there's a pattern. Always there is a reference to a past sock's interactions, like the SC userbox. Darkspots (talk) 04:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
It's almost as if he wants to be caught. Anyways fellas, I'm off to bed. Feel free to continue the conversation though =) –xeno (talk) 04:12, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
You know we will... LOL - Adolphus79 (talk) 04:17, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Yah, he gets a buzz out of it. He gets busted, makes at least one "who, me?" unblock request, then gives up, makes another sock and does it all over again. As trolls go, this guy isn't seriously nasty; he has a sense of humor; but he's unquestionably disruptive. He used to troll Essjay mercilessly a couple of years ago.
We're pretty easy to troll since we're open, we like to assume good faith (and some people are pretty amazing about it), and we're just so big one sock can easily hide -- if he wants. This guy likes being noticed. Antandrus (talk) 04:26, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, he's definitely in a short-and-splashy mode right now. He made JeanLatore last for three months, and I definitely went too far with the good faith with that one, but it seemed like a different model than the more recent ones, which just seem to be Chum logs for our shark tank. Now that's a good joke article, whether or not he intended it (I think he did). Darkspots (talk) 04:33, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Checkuser

... says  Confirmed as a sock of JeanLatore (talk · contribs). RFCU case updated. Thanks, guys - Alison ❤ 05:00, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

cheers Ali =). –xeno (talk) 12:19, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Curiosity

I was wondering about the fact that I'm more of a copyeditor persay then an article creator/ content contributor. Will this hold me back on Wikipedia? Not that I'm rearing to be an admin anytime soon I was just wondering overall how that would affect things. Washburnmav (talk) 05:35, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

FWIW, my best contribution to the article space was not sufficient to get the page to GA, let alone FA, and I still passed my RFA. J.delanoygabsadds 05:51, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
We're all volunteers--as long as you're here to improve the encyclopedia, do what you enjoy doing. Darkspots (talk) 06:33, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, I'm no GA/FA factory myself, but I do add content from time to time. The best place to do that is in what you know best, so whatever you're interested in IRL, I'm sure you can find somewhere to improve the relevant article. Since I watch the video game news, I'm sometimes first on the scene to create a new VG article, like Highlander: The Game, for example. –xeno (talk) 12:20, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
I'll keep all of that in mind. I appreciate the advice. Washburnmav (talk) 18:10, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

detective conan

go to mr. green's talk page and read my message about detective conan ok?--Spittlespat (talk) 16:09, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

I'm back?

Is mr.green making a light green backround for my userpage and aren't you going to ask how my trip was???--Spittlespat (talk) 17:01, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I haven't talked to green in a while, i didn't know you went on a trip...how was it? –xeno (talk) 17:02, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

didn't you say you were going to edit my userpage anyway it was great well I say kung fu panda and uh I went on a boat it was expensive well kinda and uh went to the museum and learned aabout mammoths we saw a real mammoth but it was already dead the food was great and the show detective conan was awesome I also bought a dvd have you seen detective conan or keroro?--Spittlespat (talk) 18:46, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

hrm, no, i think that was jacob. if you want help with your userpage, go here. nope, i've never seen that show. glad you had a nice trip. –xeno (talk) 18:48, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

what! Isn't mr.green jacob? and also how do I make my archive I tried to make one but it didn't work it sasid /archive1 but it was in red and alsonjacob said he make a light green background for me before i got back but it isn't green so could you make a light green background for me? I'm so confused and also how should I get my first barnstar--Spittlespat (talk) 19:01, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the same person. I meant it was him who was going to edit your userpage. I made your userpage background green and archived all your talk and made you an archive box. as far as barnstar... well you'll just have to keep working hard to improve the encyclopedia, and hope someone gives you one! –xeno (talk) 19:15, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

for being bold in this. Forgot that too! :S Ncmvocalist (talk) 19:47, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

sure thing... –xeno (talk) 19:49, 31 July 2008 (UTC)


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