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The result was merge to Flip's Twisted World. The consensus is that the company is not notable at this time in its own right, whereas the game meets the criteria (following the recent AfD for that article). If the company meets the criteria for inclusion at a future time, then it can always have an article re-created -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 21:04, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Frozen North Productions

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Not-notable developer who have only one title, which is not yet released. Sources in the article (LinkedIn and an IGN Dev Page) do not constitute significant coverage, nor reliable sources. If in a few months the game becomes a huge success, then they'll probably be able to get an article here - until then, one upcoming game and no press coverage doesn't seem enough. Addionne (talk) 11:51, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Strongly agreed with Addionne. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.248.178.35 (talk) 12:05, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Developer without even one game released and has a lack of reliable coverage. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 13:18, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with a merge to the game, as the company isn't notable (yet) but as the game does seem to have enough sources, might as well merge until notability is established. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 22:38, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Flip's Twisted World. The company doesn't seem to be notable, but as they're partnering with Majesco Entertainment, one of the bigger game publishers, the game they're releasing certainly meets notability guidelines. If the company does turn out to be a huge success one day in the future, then it'll deserve a seperate article, but that's a big if.--Hongkongresident (talk) 13:33, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the article was originally created by the company itself as a promotional vehicle. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.171.231.18 (talk) 18:37, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or merge as per Hongkongresident. --coldacid (talk|contrib) 05:49, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The game is not notable, as Hongkongresident says it is. Asserting that it is notable because it is being released with Majesco is an argument to avoid: WP:INHERITED. His/her second point is valid though. If the company becomes notable, then an article can be considered. For now, delete, don't merge. It's looking like the game article may go, as well. — GorillaWarfare ^talk 17:40, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete if it becomes notable some time in the future we can always create a new one or even restore this one. Right now its not notable and may never will beThe Resident Anthropologist (talk) 23:16, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Flip's Twisted World. If that is found to be non-notable per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Flip's Twisted World then keep. I have done a big search, finding [1], [2], [3], [4], [5] and [6], none of them hugely in-depth, one or two borderline independent from the subject but all offering a degree of coverage beyond a passing mention and enough to create an interesting article. Bigger digger (talk) 00:37, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Agree with GorillaWarfare and Addionne Distant highway (talk) 00:42, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge for now; if the game is success and company gets coverage, then split back. Let's not crystal about whether it will become notable. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 00:06, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge per Hongkongresident; this is a valid redirect but a long way from notable enough for a stand alone article. VQuakr (talk) 08:19, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge, but with no objection to merging it back out when and if they have more games under their belt sometime in the future. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:37, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge, a game developer with only one released game is not in itself notable. Greentrees1 (talk) 19:36, 23 October 2010 (UTC)— Greentrees1 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Keep or Merge How unusual is this M.C. Escher-like ability to use all available surfaces? My computer gaming extends as far as FreeCell, but I don't recall hearing about (or seeing on the machines of young friends and relations) this facility. Even in a Harry Potter game I was introduced to by a young lady (whose virus-laden computer I'd just fixed) seemed to be governed by vertical gravitic orientation. Peridon (talk) 20:43, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- It goes back to the NES days of the mid-80s at least. Batman and Ninja Gaiden both had main characters with wall-crawling abilities. Castlevania III had a playable character who could crawl both walls and ceilings. When the Super Nintendo came out circa 1991, scaling and rotating graphics were one of the main selling points, and were used (some might say overused) extensively, leading to games like Super Castlevania IV and Super Ghouls & Ghosts, both of which had sections where the environment rotated and the floor became the ceiling and so on. So the basic concept goes back at least a couple of decades, but that doesn't necessarily mean this game is any more or less notable. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 21:40, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or merge Did some research and found some reliable sources that seem to imply some notability (and added them to the page). However since the company has only released one game, it might be better suited for a merge instead and possibly split if/when a second project is announced. Deepsix66 (talk) 18:27, 24 October 2010 (UTC) Deepsix66 — Deepsix66 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
- Comment. Most of those sources refer to the game, with only a passing mention to the company. That said, there was some good info there - I did move some to the Flip's article where it seemed more relevant. -Addionne (talk) 12:21, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Several of the new sources do not meet WP:N and do not add credibility. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.165.129.158 (talk) 00:50, 25 October 2010 (UTC) — 69.165.129.158 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Merge until such time as publisher becomes independently notable. --Teancum (talk) 13:58, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into the game article. The Eskimo (talk) 21:18, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Ron Ritzman (talk) 12:25, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

BoonEx

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I declined the speedy request and PRODed instead. PROD was removed by original author. The author clearly has a conflict of interest. In addition the article makes a claim of notability but has yet to document that via reliable sources. And third, the article reads much like a sales brochure. It probably could have been speedied for that reason alone but because of the claim of notability I did not. I brought it here for community input. JodyB_talk 11:47, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Failed to find sources to establish notability. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 13:19, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Most of the sources I could find were press releases and hobbyist sites. It's fairly high on Alexa rank, but that doesn't satisfy N. Christopher Connor (talk) 14:13, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There's simply too little (reliable) sources to establish notability. DARTH SIDIOUS 2 ^(Contact) 14:14, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. References supplied are internal or to directory listings, and I found nothing more informative. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 16:25, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 03:06, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Movement Etoile d'Azur - Help with Art

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Lack of significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject. An editor on the talk page has suggested the lack of coverage could be due to this being a hoax article. PhilKnight (talk) 11:49, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment – I did a bit of digging, having done some wikifying on this article. The postal address in the article is searchable – does this throw any light on the topic or the hoax allegation?
- http://www.praguesinfonia.com/content/contact.php gives it as the address of Marianne Maurer, coordinator of the Prague Sinfonia Orchestra
- http://www.avv.ch/parcours.html (and many other websites) makes it the address of Galerie Michel Foëx
- http://www.notrehistoire.ch/photo/view/6132/ implies it was the studio of Gustave Maunoir from 1910–1919

I also looked at the domain name given in the article: etoiledazur-helpwithart.org was registered on 15-Oct-2010 09:53:36 UTC by Domains by Proxy, Inc. in Scottsdale, Arizona and the website at http://www.etoiledazur-helpwithart.org/ was last modified 15 October 2010 13:49:20 – being so new, this could account for its absence from search engine indexes. — Hebrides (talk) 21:51, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

From my perspective, if it isn't a hoax, then it almost certainly isn't notable, and should be deleted anyway. PhilKnight (talk) 13:58, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, I'm not finding any coverage in Google news. --Nuujinn (talk) 22:37, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Ron Ritzman (talk) 12:25, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Alphaesthete

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all I could find were Russian websites... is this notable? (or even real for that matter?) Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 11:03, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete apparent attempt to coin a neologism. 28 Google hits, most of which are just big lists of registered domains, confirms this isn't a term in wide use. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:13, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete gSearch failed to find anything reliable, like what the nominator said, most of what I could find were Russian sites. Searching for "Alphaesthete Mark Simpson" resulted in nothing but the article. It is possible that the creator is Mark Simpson himself, and if he is, this article would fail WP:NEOLOGISM .and WP:NFT. In short, this article is about a neologism not in widespread use, has no claim to notability and thus cannot have its own article unless notability is established. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 13:27, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete (G5), article created by a sock puppet of a banned user in violation of ban. I will also note that all of the related AFD on the individual characters have been closed as speedy keep. –MuZemike 14:25, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of Animal Farm characters

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This article is a cut and paste copy of the various individual articles already in existence about Animal Farm characters. The main article already has a brief synopsis of each character with a link to an article with an expanded description, which this new article has cut and copied all into one place. Not sure how this doesn't run afoul of WP:CSD#A10, but the reviewing admin said A10 doesn't apply, so we'll try this avenue. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:03, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ Redirect per the info provided below by nominator. ~~No need for a list -- the main article already has one. And this is a word-for-word duplication of other articles-- a classic CSD A10.~~ Jimmy Pitt talk 14:32, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I should point out that on 30 July 2010, a similar article was redirected to the Animal Farm article. I would recommend the same outcome here. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:55, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Redundant content fork created as a copyright violation of existing articles. Colonel Warden (talk) 00:52, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - There are a a crapload of individual character pages up for deletion above. I'm okay with deleting those if this is kept; or with keeping those if this is deleted. This is an extremely major allegorical book and some sort of provision for expanded character coverage is fully appropriate. Carrite (talk) 02:58, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Anonymax (talk · contribs) nominated all of the individual articles after creating this list and finding that the list was nominated. I believe the individual articels, which existed before Anonymax unilaterally decided to merge them all into a single article, should be kept to preserve their edit histories. Since the main article contains links to the individual articles, all of the information is easily findable by interested readers. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:07, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and adjust the content with the "main" transclusion and Keep the individual articles too. We need lists and we need articles. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 08:24, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per this statement and as article creator. Anonymax (talk) 15:47, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Redundant content fork and copyvio. Anonymax should be cautioned against doing something like this again. --Divebomb (talk) 19:26, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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We need a unified discussion
- If the individual articles are to be merged properly into a "list of characters" article like this, preserving contribution history, I have no problem with that.
- If the individual articles are going to be kept as individual articles, I have no problem with that.
- I object to either both the list and the individual articles being kept, or to both being deleted. Jclemens (talk) 20:10, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Those claiming there is a copyright violation going on may want to reread our GFDL and CC-BY-SA licenses. If the list is reusing the same text from the individual articles, and starting from the presumption that those articles are not copyvios of outside text themselves, then per our license, we allow for free reused. The issue of having the same clumps of text in two different articles is more an issue on content forking (not necessarily bad), but definitely not a copyright violation. --MASEM (t) 20:13, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The CC-BY-SA license requires attribution, which means that the users who contributed to the original article shouldn't just disappear when the article is moved to a new location. This is the main reason that the whole page move function was introduced in the first place, so that the edit history of an article doesn't disappear. What Anonymax has done in creating this list using the text of existing articles is to essentially put his own name as the sole editor of all that text, thus losing the attribution history of all the other contributors. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:00, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - That's understood, and while normally one does history merges, for cases like this there's other ways for more complex cases: I've seen people drop templates on the talk page to indicate that contributions up to diff X on the borrowed article were used in the present article. Attribution is needed, but it's still a far cry from what the term "copyvio" on WP implies -- eg it is readily fixed. --MASEM (t) 14:26, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - The relevant guideline is WP:Copying within Wikipedia. The unattributed article is a violation of WP:Copyrights, but it can be fixed by any editor (although few are experienced). I will do the needful if the page history is not deleted. Flatscan (talk) 04:02, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - Wont the copyright have already expired. This assumes the book was initially published in the UK. Stupidstudent (talk) 11:02, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        The copyright issue isn't with the original book, it is with the text that has been created here at Wikipedia itself. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:10, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        The point I'm trying to make is that "copyright violation" on WP generally means external text being used in an unattributed manner within WP, and that is potentially harmful (legally) to the work, and thus is done with hasty admin action (WP:CCI); here, interproject use of unattributed WP text on another WP article is a copyright license problem (Attribution is required) but it is not the same level of urgency or attention that "copyright violation" would require. --MASEM (t) 15:11, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and redirect per nominator. Way too redundant, Sadads (talk) 22:58, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Seems like almost every show on TV has a similar list. Why not one of the most significant books writen. Are we really saying pop culture is more inportant to an encyclopedia than significant works of literature like this? Stupidstudent (talk) 03:11, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Yes, many shows and books have a list of characters. That would be completely appropriate if
  1. there weren't already individual articles on each of the main characters; and
  2. the entire text of the current list under discussion was lifted verbatim from those existing articles.
  However, those points being true, the list should be deleted. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:10, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Restore previous state by deleting this list article and keeping the individual articles, without prejudice to creating a list article if there is consensus to do so. Flatscan (talk) 04:02, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't object to using this venue (AfD) to discuss merging, but this discussion has been somewhat confused by the attribution issues. Resetting will undo those problems. Flatscan (talk) 04:18, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to provide a counter argument here that cannot be one resolved by the closing admin, but realistically: Keep this list but redirect all individual characters to this list article (with proper CC attribution, natch). Spot checking the characters, none of them meet the notabiliy guidelines - technically they should be deleted, not this list article. The work is significant enough that a discussion of the characters (including brief descriptions of each) as a whole makes sense. Thus, iterating the characters in this list makes the most sense. However, again, that's not an action that remedied by the closing admin, but I put forward as a reasonable suggestion that others may want to comment on and then can be done after the closure of this AFD. --MASEM (t) 05:48, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The characters are certainly notable. They all appear in the Cyclopedia of Literary Characters, for example. If they were not notable then they should be deleted rather than collected into a list because that would do nothing to improve their notability. Colonel Warden (talk) 07:39, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not true. "Lists of characters of X" where X is a notable work are generally acceptable when the characters individually are not notable. (This was recently reviewed in an RFC about lists and notability). But I would argue more that because of the impact of this book ,the characters, at least collectively, can be given more analysis and review. The book link above doesn't show me enough to tell to what degree (primary or secondary) that the work goes into each character, but what I can see by Google's peak tool suggests its just reiterating plot elements - and thus primary, and thus not evidence of individual character notability. --MASEM (t) 14:31, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It is not primary as the original text is obviously the primary source. It is a summary encyclopaedic treatment of these characters and therefore perfectly demonstrates the suitability of the material for our purposes. Colonel Warden (talk) 15:36, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, then it's tertiary, as best as I can tell, if it is simply summarizing the characters. That's still not enough for notability of the individual ones. --MASEM (t) 22:20, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment What Masem seems to be missing is that the "Cyclopedia" is not the source for the information in the character books. The cited source is the book Why Orwell Matters by Christopher Hitchens. Not having seen the book, I don't know what the depth of coverage is, but this argument about the Cyclopedia of Literary Characters is quite off the point, as it is not the cited source. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:09, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The argument I'm making for the collapsing to the list is based on the present state of the characters - all which flatly summarize the character's role in the work, save for the one reference drop to "Why Orwell Matters" for one statement on one character. WP has determined that if a character is to have an individual article, it should be able the creation of that character and reception of that character, with only a small part of the article dedicated to the actual plot aspects (see WP:WAF and WP:NOT#PLOT) - eg, notability through multiple secondary, evaluative coverage of the characters and not just being relisted elsewhere. None of the articles, again save for one line of one character, goes beyond the plot. Of course, given the significant of Animal Farm, I'm sure there's got to be more out there, but as I am looking at the state of the articles right now, the best course to retain as much information is merging (and trimming! you don't need to reiterate the plot over and over for each character!) the characters to a single list article. It is quite possible that there is enough info out there from literary analysis sources that each character could have on its own article, but no one has really shown that yet; merging w/ redirects to this list would still allow someone later to come along and rebuild off the old articles should they be able to expand it. --MASEM (t) 12:20, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and redirect - copyright problems and redundant to main article. Hekerui (talk) 10:49, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Since the article's creator (Anonymax (talk · contribs)) has now been blocked as a sock of Pickbothmanlol (talk · contribs), I'd say the article is a candidate for speedy deletion under WP:CSD#G5 (creation by banned user). WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:48, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 16:07, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Government Appointed Boards (New Zealand)

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Unreferenced list (?) of boards. Little notability. No clear layout or format.

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The list is referenced, but as embedded external links in each section rather than as footnotes. Obviously incomplete, but only a week old.-gadfium 20:22, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Covered at Public sector organisations in New Zealand. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 02:32, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:38, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Rawls

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I cannot find independent reliable sourcing for this person. Quantpole (talk) 09:23, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, there are a lot of pastors out there, and this article gives no indication that this pastor is any more significant than any of the hundreds of others out there. Like the nominator, I couldn't find any reliables sources either. Also, the article reads a lot like a personal site.--Hongkongresident (talk) 13:39, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. What connection does a Flickr search for "Thonmi Sambhota" have with Tom Rawls? I think you've pasted in the wrong url there. Phil Bridger (talk) 18:33, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete --pastor of a NN church, or at least I assume so since ther eis no article on it. Also delete (or PROD) Denise Rawls, his wife, which redirects here. Peterkingiron (talk) 23:02, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Davewild (talk) 22:17, 6 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

White Stones

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Dawn of a New Century (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Once in a Red Moon (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Earthsongs (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Inside I'm Singing (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Unlike the other albums by the same band (Songs from a Secret Garden, Dreamcatcher (album)), these releases make neither claim to nor proof of their notability, and as such seem to fall short of WP:MUSIC; note that whatever notability the band may have, it is WP:NOTINHERITED by any of these albums. :| TelCo NaSp Ve :| 08:20, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:NOTINHERITED and WP:OSE. NOTINHERITED notes quite clearly that notability can be, and often is, "inherited" among creators and creative works, as well as underscoring the point that sometimes separate articles are appropriately created "in the context of ease of formatting and navigation, such as with books and albums." Absent an overall discography article to merge this content to, the articles should be retained to preserve the content, which is encyclopedic. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 17:58, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. A quick search found coverage for Earthsongs (Jazz Times, The Vindicator), Once in a Red Moon (PopMatters) and White Stones ("White Stones has been on the Billboard chart since its release last year" - Lexington Herald-Leader). WP:BEFORE doesn't appear to have been followed here. Keep, improve, and merge with the group article where this isn't possible.--Michig (talk) 18:51, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep If you bother to search Google news for the album name and band name, which should be the common sense thing to do, you'll find ample coverage. [7] Just click on the first link there and read through, the album selling well, and getting great reviews. Dream Focus 06:02, 1 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Ron Ritzman (talk) 12:33, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Trampoline (computers)

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There are many reasons that the concept of trampolining in computers is not right for an article; developers of computers have no consensus on using this word to describe such links and the trampolining of links has replacable concepts such as proxies and disambigs in the computer world anyway, do the article is an anathema to me and doubtless other wikipedians too; should be WP:Salt. --Cymbelmineer (talk) 23:18, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator - you should have added the AfD tag to the top of the article and listed this page on the AfD log - see instructions at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#How to list pages for deletion. I have now done this for you. Gandalf61 (talk) 08:03, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I advised Cymbelmineer that the nomination is not complete. There is no imperative to complete such a nomination, especially not if you consider the nomination rationale invalid. If not completed, I'd deleted it as housekeeping or userfied the statement.--Tikiwont (talk) 09:58, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I see Cymbelmineer has made another incomplete AfD nomination at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Billboard Liberation Front, which was fixed by another editor. If Cymbelmineer is serious about making AfD nominations, they should learn to do it properly. If they are not serious, then this behaviour of making incomplete nominations is disruptive. I have left a note on their talk page. Anyway, might as well let this AfD run its course now. Gandalf61 (talk) 10:16, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've closed that AfD and had already advised the user as well.--Tikiwont (talk) 10:29, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - enough sources to establish notability, and can't see any valid reason for deletion. Gandalf61 (talk) 08:03, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: As Gandalf61 says, there had to be a reason to delete. And that a page is anathema to somebody is not a (valid) reason. -- BenTels (talk) 22:58, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to trampoline (disambiguation): Although I find the nom incomprehensible, the article is a somewhat random collection of links… essentially, this is already a disambiguation page. It could all go in a subheading of the main disambig page. Either way, this content should be edited to conform to mos:dab. Potatoswatter (talk) 00:03, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:04, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jason Howell

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Subject fails notability guidelines Canyouhearmenow 05:19, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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(Notability: Musician) Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (Tarantic Records- 39 published albums, founded 1998)
Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g. a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc. (Theme for Life Love and Health (Currently on Sirius/XM and formerly on NPR))
(Notability: Web content) The content is distributed via a medium which is both respected and independent of the creators, either through an online newspaper or magazine, an online publisher, or an online broadcaster (TWiT Network and CBS Interactive)

There was a large rabble about this before (back in 2007, I think), and I ended up abandoning the argument because of a persnickety admin, and don't really know about what came of the argument. Tcardone05 (talk) 05:17, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A Google search leads mainly back to his own pages. The article itself is nothing more than a mere promotional page. If the article for some reason should be deemed notable which I still cannot see how it could, it would certainly have to be rewritten to remove the promotional aspects to make it encyclopedic.--Canyouhearmenow 14:22, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, however, I would be OK with a redirect to TWiT.tv. The subject does not appear to pass the aforementioned guidelines. Location (talk) 19:38, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The music career alone is a reason to keep the article.MLBudToo (talk) 12:12, 22 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.236.128.42 (talk) [reply]

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Delete because the editorial input clearly displays a lack of understanding of WP:NOT; for instance, birthdates and full names of living WP:KIDS are a very very bad idea (I'm deleting that sentence now). There are so many WP:SPS that the remaining ones are probably so also (CNET, SFSU). And there goes your article. If someone cared to stub it to WP:RS only and continue to claim notability by some policy criterion after that point, that might get my !vote discounted a little. JJB 00:37, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

The music aspect is not notable enough to keep the article either. Doing a search on the musical inclusions all relate back to the subjects own websites or articles the subject created. I stand by my original delete nomination. --Canyouhearmenow 03:01, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Good arguments have been made as to why the lack of Google News hits does not necessarily prove unsourceability. However, I'd strongly recommend someone actually find and reference some of these notional pre-internet sources, because the article is still rather lacking in that department. ~ mazca ^talk 10:55, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Club Managers' Association Australia

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fails WP:ORG. 2 gnews hits [8]. LibStar (talk) 05:19, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I noticed info has been added "Leagues Club Association of New South Wales it produced a joint submission to the Productivity Commission on Australia's gambling industries". the source is not third party coverage and does not qualify as a reliable source as it merely hosts a submission made by the organisation. LibStar (talk) 23:10, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You are trying too hard. Trade Unions are important bodies that relate to governments and the community as well as their members. This is a small union, but it seems likely that it has been noticed. For example this journal article, Australian Journal of Hospitality Management, March 22, 1997 by Roache & Gerard, appears to discuss it and praise its efforts, but that volume is not available to me. The reference above is not a good reference to establish notability, but it is an Australian Government site so it is third party. It allows other editors to join me in looking to see whether there was press coverage at the time for that productivity commission investigation. Note this was in the 1990s. Google News will be quite useless. There are other submissions such as this one on gaming machines in Victoria in 2008. This is a hot topic in Melbourne and it may well have been considered in depth by the newspapers. I remain neutral for now, but think that sources may well be out there. --Bduke (Discussion) 23:30, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Australian Government site so it is third party."" no the productivity commission is merely hosting all submissions by interested parties. it is not indepth coverage by a third party about the organisation. LibStar (talk) 23:40, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It not say it was "indepth coverage by a third party about the organisation". I explained why I added it. Why not look for sources yourself rather than wasting my time. Your use of gnews only in the nom was quite inadequate. --Bduke (Discussion) 00:05, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

it's not inadequate, you're the one that wants to keep it not me. why should I look for sources when I am editing other articles? LibStar (talk) 00:07, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Because that is what you are supposed to do before you nominate an article for deletion. gnews is inadequate for an organisation that goes back decades. We are not just concerned about only recent times. I am not wanting to keep it. I said neutral above. I am just giving it some due diligence which all articles should have before they are deleted. Nobody else is, so I decided to have a look. --Bduke (Discussion) 02:55, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

gnews contains coverage for over 100 years. it includes Sydney Morning Herald for many decades too. LibStar (talk) 02:58, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per Bduke - passes notability, based on pre-internet sources. Libstar, Google News really doesn't cut it for Australian topics before a certain point. As a fun activity, I looked up three discredited former ministers from the early 90s from my state and couldn't find even one on Google (other than a cursory reference to his present job), and only cursory references on Factiva. No mention at all of controversies so serious that they cost one his job, another his liberty and got them named in the findings of a Royal Commission, even with a specific search for the years concerned with only the name used as a search term. Orderinchaos 05:06, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Ron Ritzman (talk) 12:35, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sarah Butler

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Non-notable actor lacking GHIts and GNEWS of substance appears to fail WP:BIO and WP:ENTERTAINER. ttonyb (talk) 05:04, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Subject meets general notability guidelines through coverage in multiple secondary reliable sources, including: International Business Times [9], Zimbio [10][11], The Howard Stern Show[12], OK![13], USA Weekend[14], 7x7 Magazine[15] and the Calgary Herald[16]. dissolve ^talk 09:55, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep, there are multiple reliable media sources mentioning her, although they primarily seem to be for one movie, I Spit on Your Grave. However she has had roles, albeit minor ones, on a few mainstream television shows.--Hongkongresident (talk) 13:26, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Subject meets general notability guidelines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BabbaQ (talk • contribs) 20:22, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Mkativerata (talk) 05:13, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kars Province, Ottoman Empire

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It's only a very short definition. Takabeg (talk) 04:56, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete There's no need for an article if it contains only such a very short definition. DARTH SIDIOUS 2 ^(Contact) 08:50, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom --Canyouhearmenow 14:04, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Being a stub is not a valid reason for deletion. Jimmy Pitt talk 14:55, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Fits Wikipedia's function as a gazetteer; the essay Wikipedia:Notability (geography) says, "Defunct legally-recognized places are considered notable."--Arxiloxos (talk) 16:43, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Pitt and Arxilocos. --Lambiam 07:34, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, obviously. A whole province not an appropriate subject for an encyclopedia article? And two editors wading in to support the nomination? I'm really starting to think that the lunatics have taken over the asylum. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:05, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Obviously notable as a province of a major historical power. No valid reason for deletion has been offered. Edward321 (talk) 18:33, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. Mkativerata (talk) 05:14, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Karaman Province, Ottoman Empire

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It's only a very short definition. Takabeg (talk) 04:46, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete There's no need for an article if it contains only such a very short definition. DARTH SIDIOUS 2 ^(Contact) 08:50, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Being a stub is not a valid reason for deletion. Jimmy Pitt talk 14:58, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Fits Wikipedia's function as a gazetteer; the essay Wikipedia:Notability (geography) says, "Defunct legally-recognized places are considered notable."--Arxiloxos (talk) 16:44, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Arxiloxos. mkehrt (talk) 22:31, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Pitt and Arxilocos. --Lambiam 07:34, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep as an obviously ridiculous nomination, bordering on the disruptive (if not over the border). I would suggest that anyone that doesn't realise that a province is an appropriate subject for an encyclopedia article should refrain from commenting at AfD until they have learnt what an encyclopedia is. Phil Bridger (talk) 19:10, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Obviously notable as a province of a major historical power. No valid reason for deletion has been offered. Edward321 (talk) 18:35, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:04, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Annual Cushing Niles Dolbeare Media Awards

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This award doesn't seem to have much importance. It's already mentioned in Cushing Dolbeare D O N D E groovily Talk to me 04:46, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No reliable source makes a non-notable award. Armbrust ^Talk _Contribs 12:34, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The award seems unimportant, the material is unreferenced, and is already mentioned in Cushing Dolbeare. The, non-introductory, remainder of the text does not add any much value to the subject, so a merger would not be worthwhile either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Idunno271828 (talk • contribs) 23:51, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 16:08, 28 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Angels (The Tea Party song)

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Article doesn't assert notability for the song, as it doesn't seem to have any. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 04:44, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, no evidence of notability offered. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:35, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Fails WP:ORG. Jayjg ^(talk) 06:57, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New South Wales Osteopaths Registration Board

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fails WP:ORG. nothing in gnews [17]. LibStar (talk) 04:43, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, not significantly covered by reliable sources. Peter Karlsen (talk) 06:07, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete per nom; worthy but obscure medical licencing agency. Nick-D (talk) 11:19, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge contents with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteopathy#Australia_.26_New_Zealand - neither obscure or low on notability - there is b... all else on wikipedia about osteopathy in australia - deleting is ignoring the lack of info about the practice/profession/subject in Australia - as for g anything as a referent point huh? - http://trove.nla.gov.au/result?q=New_South_Wales_Osteopaths_Registration_Board Satu Suro 03:34, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

that reference just shows 3 annual reports published by that organisation. not third party. LibStar (talk) 03:50, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fair point - still needs a merge rather than a delete - specially when there is buckleys about the profession on wikipedia for australia Satu Suro 03:57, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

this organisation is so obscure that hardly anyone will know about it outside the occupation. any useful info about it is probably on its own publications. LibStar (talk) 04:23, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Meets the notability guidelines, absurd as they are. Plus, the article will just get created again next season anyways. Sven Manguard _Talk 04:42, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ITSNOTABLE. LibStar (talk) 05:42, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Ron Ritzman (talk) 12:36, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ancestors (song)

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I doubt this song has the notability for its own article. D O N D E groovily Talk to me 04:42, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, fails WP:NSONGS. Anemone Projectors 13:09, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per nom..--Canyouhearmenow 14:06, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per nom, this single song isn't notable enough to have its own article. DARTH SIDIOUS 2 ^(Contact) 14:16, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. There is no clear-cut consensus between deletion and merging. I am closing this as a non-consensus, but without prejudice against a renomination at AfD - however, I would suggest that it might be useful to have a week or so discussion on this matter at WikiProject Baseball to see what the project thinks before any such re-nomination occurs -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 20:59, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ronald Uviedo

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He is not notable yet. Though he spent time on the Toronto Blue Jays 40-man roster (I think...), he has not reached the major leagues, nor has he pitched above the AA level. Alex (talk) 04:34, 15 October 2010 (UTC)Note to Closing Admin AFD nom has suggested below that the article be merged to Toronto Blue Jays minor league players Vodello (talk) 05:00, 25 October 2010 (UTC) [reply]

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Keep He was on the 40-man rosters of the Pirates and Blue Jays just this season. We currently determine that anyone on a 40-man roster is notable. --Muboshgu (talk) 19:25, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Toronto Blue Jays minor league players. Spanneraol (talk) 21:26, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
My inclination is to delete but I'd be interested to know if there is an official policy or guideline about 40-man rosters or if that was just an opinion in some previous AFD. Ma^t_chups 18:05, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it's been spelled out explicitly, but we've had the standard of creating an article for every player on a 40 man roster (all the people you see listed on Template:New York Yankees roster and all the other teams). If we're determining that these individuals are notable enough for an article when they're on the 40 man, they should still be notable even after they're DFA'd. --Muboshgu (talk) 02:24, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I would not consider the 40-man roster to be inherently notable. He could fall off of it and end up never playing a major league game or passing notability standards. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 16:42, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So that means we should leave red links on those roster templates? You don't need to be promoted to MLB to be notable, and I think being added to a 40 man roster, a sign that the team sees something in you if they're using a limited resource on you, could easily be seen as a criteria for notability. --Muboshgu (talk) 03:23, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If the players are listed on the minor league player articles, then the rosters will link to those and we won't have the red links. Spanneraol (talk) 13:45, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's a possibility. I think this should be taken to WP:BASEBALL before a final decision on this AfD is made, since it will have implications for other similar players. --Muboshgu (talk) 19:03, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - WP:ATHLETE implies that playing at the MLB level is enough to make you notable. Being drafted consists of "using a limited resource," so I don't see that as a useful criterion. I'd rather not go down the slippery slope. If that means red links on the roster templates, so be it. Ma^t_chups 11:15, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment On second thought, I think this should just be merged with the team's minor league players page. Alex (talk) 21:20, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge It is not a 'slippery slope' to have information on Wikipedia about a player on the 40-man roster of an MLB team. This is per prior existing consensus from WP:BASEBALL. I suggest a merge to Toronto Blue Jays minor league players for now, with the option of having this as a standalone article if it can be expanded to five or more paragraphs and supported by multiple reliable secondary sources. Vodello (talk) 04:58, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why "five or more"? Where is that laid out in criteria? --Muboshgu (talk) 18:24, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There isn't. That's why it's called a suggestion. Vodello (talk) 02:13, 26 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per Vodello and consensus, do not delete. Secret ^account 17:59, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I spent a few minutes expanding it. There are four reliable news articles, in addition to the typical B-Ref and Cube links. There are more recent ones that are Spanish language; I think he's playing in the Venezuelan Winter League right now. --Muboshgu (talk) 18:24, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Three passing mentions and one that mentions him in a couple of sentences is not enough. Secret ^account 20:03, 25 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Consensus is that the offices held by the subject are sufficient to meet WP:POLITICIAN Mkativerata (talk) 05:11, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Charles H. Thompson

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Non-notable local official Orange Mike | Talk 04:28, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I agree with the nom that the article doesn't sufficiently show the subject's notability, however, I think there is enough elsewhere to demonstrate notability. According to one of the references in the article, the subject received a "Lifetime Excellence Award" from his alma mater, "was secretary of the Wisconsin Department of Transportation from 1991-2000", "was chairman of Wisconsin's Public Service Commission from 1987-91", and "was named Wisconsin Restaurateur of the Year in 1986"[18]. Location (talk) 20:01, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- reply - speaking as a Wisconsinite, I can assure you that none of these constitute a viable assertion of notability. Sectys. of the DOT are usually useful non-entities, and the others are just ego-stroking. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:34, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'm not convinced that serving as Chairman of the Wisconsin Public Service Commission, the regulatory agency whose responsibilities include oversight of the telecommunications industry in Wisconsin, is simply "ego-stroking". WP:POLITICIAN #1 states: "Politicians who have held international, national or sub-national (statewide/provincewide) office..." Working under the assumption that Wisconsin is still a US state, Thompson has held two higher level positions at the statewide level. I don't claim that he has the notability of a Senator, Representative, or Governor, but to assert that the subject is merely a "local official" is a bit disingenuous. Location (talk) 23:14, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Location and WP:POLITICIAN. All that I need to see is that he held a state-wide office of Secretary - even if Mike asserts that's an ego-stroking position. I have no opinion on that point. And I'm of course from Wisconsin too. Royal broil 02:39, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Convention is that holders of state-wide offices at the heads of cabinet departments are notable. Ray^Talk 22:52, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Location makes a good point about statewide office. Assuming these are cabinet departments, as Ray suggests, there can be no question that he is notable. --Philosopher ^{Let us reason together.} 15:58, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 19:48, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jimbo Matison

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I got one WP:RS between Gnews and regular Google search,not convinced he meets WP:GNG The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 04:24, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

keep one RS is pretty good for a quick search of google in a case like this. He was VP and founder of a notable cable television channel, and founded his own shows which still air, in which he acted. He has been the subject of quite a few articles which I've references - they may not be perfectly 'reliable sources' but they are not completely 'unreliable' either. Tduk (talk) 04:50, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
comment Could you also please wikilink your abbreviations so I have a better idea of what you're trying to say? I'd really appreciate it, thanks. Tduk (talk) 04:55, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 13:30, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Tduk asked WP:ARS to take a look. I found a few sources to add (and added them) and although they are not earth-shattering, we are able to maintain a sourceable article on this person.--Milowent • ^talkblp-r 03:28, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete 1 gnews hit doesn't cut it for WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 06:11, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- What? I tried looking at your other nominations, and you always seem to only reference "gnews hits", which I guess is Google News? Where in WP:BIO is this discussed? Tduk (talk) 00:17, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

read the basic criteria of WP:BIO. You need published secondary sources. Gnews helps you find those. LibStar (talk) 06:42, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

some of the stuff i added wasn't from gnews but was from a reliable source, like the TV week industry publication. the coverage is not extensive in those pieces though. but libstar tends to lean delete in a case like this and i tend to lean keep though even i admit this one is harder.--Milowent • ^talkblp-r 12:02, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Are people really suggesting using Google as the only indicator for whether something should be removed from wikipedia? That seems kind of dangerous. Tduk (talk) 19:15, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

not dangerous at all, how else do you expect people to find third party sources? google news and google books are good ways. LibStar (talk) 12:04, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Using Google News is fine for finding sources, but if someone has found good sources by another means, and included them in the article, as Milowent has been so kind to do, then wanting to delete the article simply because Google News does not return enough results for you empowers Google to have control over what gets deleted off of wikipedia. This doesn't seem dangerous to you? Tduk (talk) 16:46, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom and above, especially what LibStar said. --みんな空の下 (トーク | I wanna chAngE!) 23:13, 29 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Libstar seems to have said the same thing as the nom - what do you mean exactly? Tduk (talk) 00:17, 30 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy deleted and protection level changed to admin only (was previously set at autoconfirmed). The article has been created and deleted 12 times, and 2 earlier AfDs have both resulted in "delete". JamesBWatson (talk) 15:22, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fabio Zamblera

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He did not made his first team debut, the article creator claimed that Zamblera played for Roma first team and NUFC were false. Here is the match report the creator claimed Zamblera played, which in fact he did not. Matthew_hk t c 03:45, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: he doesn't meet the notability guidelines for footballers and there's no evidence he meets the general notability guidelines neither. Unfortunately this article isn't eligible for speedy deletion as this is different from the last deleted version. Bettia (talk) 09:05, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Speedy delete - nothing has changed since last time, see WP:CSD#G4. Giant Snowman 11:27, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails all relevant notability criteria, again. Argyle 4 Life^talk 12:13, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete per WP:CSD#G4. Sir Sputnik (talk) 14:42, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:44, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strand Beach Funicular

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This isn't actually a funicular railway; according to both references, it's more like an outdoor elevator, and nowhere outside the article is it referred to as a railway. The only coverage of it I could find comes from a couple newspaper articles about its opening and trivial mentions in items about the beach, so it doesn't pass the general notability guideline. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 02:41, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment it's a cog railway. Elevators use cables, and the motor is separate from the cab. This thing in Strand Beach has the motor on the car, and uses cogs, not cables, so it's not an elevator. It's not a funicular either though. 76.66.200.95 (talk) 05:58, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Do you have a source for that? Every source I've seen describes it either as an outdoor elevator or a funicular (though never a funicular railway). TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 06:26, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and expand. Links are provided to a city website with ample information and a newspaper story.Cullen328 (talk) 06:46, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
weak keep. The system openened less than a year ago, so quite naturally sources are limited to press reports and the owners' site. This itself is not a valid reason to delete. Terminology and technical details are not AFD subjects at all. Cogs or cables, it runs on rails, so it is a railway. East of Borschov 07:12, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. I think the press coverage, while certainly not extensive, is enough to pass WP:GNG. The usual practice does seem to be that we keep articles about this kind of constructed public transit. I would certainly like to see the article expanded a bit: it's actually a rather interesting subject.--Arxiloxos (talk) 16:51, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep - As the others have indicated, it does seem to pass WP:GNG, if not overwhelmingly so. It's also a unique system, even as a funicular that's more like an elevator. How many elevators move diagonally, are totally outdoors and along the side of a hill? --Oakshade (talk) 02:31, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Whatever are the best technical terms for it, this is an unusual people-mover. The only funicular type systems in California that i can think of is the defunct old one in downtown Los Angeles, whose name escapes me. This is comparable to the cable cars of San Francisco! It is rare also for being new; funicular=old in my view. (Addendum: i meant Angels Flight.) It needs to be developed, yes. Highly inappropriate AFD for an obviously unusual, notable transportation system, IMHO. --doncram (talk) 01:30, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It's a rail transportation system, and therefore notable enough to sustain an article. Mjroots (talk) 05:45, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 05:04, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of PlayStation 2 collections for the PlayStation 3

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Trivial listcruft at best. Ports happen every video game generation, and these ports aren't anything special. RobJ1981 (talk) 02:40, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. The only thing that makes them recognizable is the push Sony did with them. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 06:03, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into proper "series" articles as well as some brief mention in the PlayStation 3 article. Then Delete page. People tend to do the opposite when deleting so there seems to be no semblance of the info. on Wikipedia. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 21:07, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, that would break attribution if we merged and then deleted. –MuZemike 23:52, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as rather pointless list. It is not going to expand greatly, the scope is limited to collections. The actual porting is not notable, even if the original games were. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 00:02, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Two items, plus three CRYSTALBALL items does not a list make. Sven Manguard _Talk 04:27, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Ron Ritzman (talk) 12:40, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Perrys

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Dubious notability. Claims #1 hits but I don't know what chart that could possibly be as it certainly isn't Billboard. Also claims awards which are of no notability whatsoever as they turn up no reliable sources. Article is a huge infodump without a single source found; "The Perrys" + various keywords turned up no reliable sources whatsoever, further asserting the non-notability of the award wins. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 02:37, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I'm also not sure about the awards or #1 hits, but they have 13 albums listed at Allmusic, and coverage wasn't difficult to find: Billboard, Harlan Daily Enterprise, Atlanta Journal/Constitution, Cuba Free Press, Calhoun Times, USA Today.--Michig (talk) 06:25, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. Well-known, well-regarded, and prolific musical group with multiple, easily verifiable (eg [19]) award nominations for quite notable awards. Nominator's complete inability to perform functional Google searches coupled with aggressive deletion posturing is clearly disruptive. Article needs cleanup, though. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 21:39, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep The Perry's are considered by many to be one of the premiere groups in Christian music. They are notable on several levels. The Dove Award win alone are the Grammy Awards for Christian music! --Canyouhearmenow 03:13, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete They obviously exist, but based on the severe lack of sources; there's not a single source listed in the article. Ga Be 19 03:49, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Doesn't matter that there's not a single source listed in the article. They have been shown to exist. duffbeerforme (talk) 11:36, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - If they have been shown to exist, sources should come easy. Looking at this article, it's really hard to know they're notability or even if they exist. Ga Be 19 01:45, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Some more articles - DeBoer, Terry (7 February 1997), "Group's members rise above tragedy to share lives with song", The Grand Rapids Press - Heisler, Steve (24 January 2010), "Gospel frestival coming to Palmetto", Sarasota Herald-Tribune duffbeerforme (talk) 11:31, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Long Beach Unified School District. Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:41, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bancroft Middle School (Long Beach, California)

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Contested prod Non notable school lacking third party sources. Steam Iron 02:29, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, per nom. Middle schools are not usually notable. WikiManOne (talk) 02:40, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Long Beach Unified School District per customary practice for middle schools not otherwise shown to merit their own article.--Arxiloxos (talk) 03:46, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I would be ok with a redirect.--Steam Iron 03:48, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I really do not want a redirect because all of the other Bancroft Middle Schools do not have a redirect. So I do not think it is fair 4:09, 15, October 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Silver24shil (talk • contribs) 23:08, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The other Middle Schools don't have pages.--Steam Iron 00:52, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect per Arxiloxos. The fact that the other middle schools don't have redirects is irrelevant per WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST. Anyone who thinks there is something unfair about this can create redirect pages for the other 14 middle schools in the district. --MelanieN (talk) 20:06, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect The small amount of info provided on this page could just as easily be provided on a chart in a list of all the schools in the district. Sebwite (talk) 00:33, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. -- Cirt (talk) 05:04, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Harbert Hills Academy

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The school mentioned here is not accredited by one of the regional accreditation bodies and is therefore not automatically kept under WP:NHS. Google search shows no reliable secondary sources that are primarily about this entity. This appears to be (a) promotional in nature (b) unsourced (all the sources are primary and proper citation templates not used) and (c) directly copied from www.harberthills.org piece by piece (all the sentences I specifically looked for were on the website, very bad case of plagiarism). It would require a fundamental rewrite from scratch in order be wikipedia quality even if it was considered notable which I do not consider it to be. Attempted to delete through speedy deletion and prod but was removed by an anonymous IP address which proceeded to personal attack me on the article's talk page. WikiManOne (talk) 02:20, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep i removed the promotionalism, the obvious copyvio, and whatever seemed likely to be copyvio. The remaining stub is only very basic information, but more could and should be added--properly. I note that this is a secondary school, and all such are considered notable for Wikipedia purposes. I have noted the comments at the nominators user talk page. DGG ( talk ) 03:07, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This school is an unaccredited school meaning that it is a psuedo high school at best. Whether or not it has recognition by other schools, the fact is grades from unaccredited schools cannot be transfered making them pretty useless. Also, it appears to have less than 40 students. WikiManOne (talk) 03:50, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per DGG. Also, I do not believe that regional accreditation has been considered a prerequisite for application of the general presumption of notability for high schools, nor should it be. --Arxiloxos (talk) 03:37, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There have been previous deletion discussions that have succeeded based on this.WikiManOne (talk) 03:50, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please identify them. I do not agree that this has been the general practice. And I certainly don't think it is appropriate for you to add your interpretation to the longstanding text of WP:NHS and then immediately claim that your changed version is the accepted one to be used oin a new AfD filed by you.--Arxiloxos (talk) 04:55, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here is one: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/California School of Law. This is the first one I saw when I looked, I have seen multiple other ones that are of high schools rather than colleges however, I just don't have the time to look right now... WikiManOne (talk) 05:28, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion/Comment - Organization is a part of Outpost Centers International, perhaps it could be merged into that article? Comments? WikiManOne (talk) 04:16, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also note that the speedy deletion templates were removed by IP address who has never made edits beyond that article where they added the plagiarized content. The IP address is located in the vicinity of the entity discussed drawing question of promotion yet again.WikiManOne (talk) 04:20, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - as per DGG, and the current stub version pruned by him does not violate any of our policies. It's worth noting that where we generally accept all high schools as de facto notable, there are no further criteria for their size, age, accreditation, curriculum, or whether they are public or private. The only criterion is that they provide education for ages 15 to 18, or as the Americans call it, 'Grades' 10 to 12. Maybe a future RfC will change policy to narrow it down, but for the time being we have to live with what we have, and that means that we keep Harbert Hills Academy.--Kudpung (talk) 08:41, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The issue with that is that non-accredited high schools do not actually provide grades 9-12, they provide a psuedo education that is generally not accepted at accredited high schools and usually not by colleges putting whether they actually offer those grades in question. WikiManOne (talk) 14:18, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral, leaning towards keep Precedent at the college/ university level says that an institution who provides a legitimate education but is unaccredited for religious reasons should still be regarded as notable and kept, while unaccredited schools providing questionable or non-legitimate services, such as fly-by-night, for-profit career schools who do not offer degree programs, or are outright fraudulent (i.e. diploma mills) should not be kept, unless they satisfy the general notability guideline through non-trivial, secondary sources. From what I've gathered about Harbert Hills, it seems to me that if the school were a college, it would fall into the former category, which is why I lean towards keeping 2 says you, says two 17:06, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Outpost Centers International. Lacks multiple reliable and independent sources with significant coverage. I do not agree that such a school automatically gets the de facto assumption of notability recently given to public high schools and accredited private high schools. It is surprising that news sources have not covered a school with a commercial bakery, a nursing home and a powerful FM radio station, on a 500 acre campus. Edison (talk) 20:15, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 01:04, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Final World Order

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wp:nn neologism. Sole author contested prod. Toddst1 (talk) 02:15, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Final World Order? They've been failing very badly with the first one. Anyhow, this article is clear-cut original research, no reliable media sources mentioning anything about it, anywhere. Or maybe the cabal's behind it, eh?--Hongkongresident (talk) 18:19, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The article starts: "The Final World Order is a term coined by the General Federalist Society..." So a neologism. It would be better to try for an article on the General Federalist Society itself. Borock (talk) 18:45, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. -- Cirt (talk) 01:04, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kay Toliver

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This article has not been improved to show notability in three years since the last AfD. Maybe she's a good teacher, nothing shows why she is a notable teacher.--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 01:40, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Have you read all of the potential sources pointed to by, for example, Dhartung in the first AFD discussion? If not, why are you nominating things for deletion on notability grounds without (as per Wikipedia:Guide to deletion#Nomination, Wikipedia:AFD#Before nominating an article for deletion, and User:Uncle G/Wikipedia triage#What to do) first looking to see whether multiple non-trivial published works exist? Uncle G (talk) 13:40, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If she's won all the awards stated in the article, she obviously meets WP:BIO simply because of them. Jan 1922 (talk) 19:33, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep—I added cites for the Peabody Awards. Wish sometimes that nominators would bother to address the issue rather than bringing it here.—RJH (talk) 20:56, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep, I knew I had seen that name before; she was on TV. Abductive (reasoning) 00:19, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Peabody award clears the notability hurdle. AfD can be a good way to push an article to a definitive verdict, as I think is the case here. Respectfully, Agricola44 (talk) 15:53, 18 October 2010 (UTC).[reply]

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The result was Nomination withdrawn as WP:CREATIVE met through winning major award. LibStar (talk) 01:56, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Michaela Roessner

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fails WP:CREATIVE. most of the coverage in gnews is passing mentions not indepth coverage. LibStar (talk) 01:04, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. This, from the Google News archive hits mentioned by the nominator, is an 890-word review of the subject's work in the Chicago Tribune, there's a bit of coverage on two pages of this book and there are some awards referenced here. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:05, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Strong keep: Winner of the John W. Campbell Award for New Author in 1989 (voted on and presented during the Hugo Award process) and the Crawford Award from the International Association for the Fantastic in the Arts.Shsilver (talk) 19:18, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The John W. Campbell award is a major award, and Phil Bridger's find looks plenty fine, too. Jclemens (talk) 20:22, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:47, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fuzzle CMS

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Contested prod. Article about a non-notable software product - basically just another content management system. Most of the references are from the company website and the others don't provide any evidence of notability (the only reference from a major independent publication, PC World, does not even mention the product). andy (talk) 00:09, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There are some independent reviews from CMS Wire and CMS Report. Also can be mentioned the online presentation on UAFPUG (Ukranian Adobe Flash Platform User Group) meeting - the meeting was about Flash CMS solutions. --Janvarev (talk) 08:02, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete, per nom. The best source in the references doesn't mention the subject at all. I can't find any reliable sources providing significant coverage. --Nuujinn (talk) 17:33, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No good sources. I give little weight to those two reviews from CMS sites. Christopher Connor (talk) 14:17, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 01:04, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Faboost

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Contested prod.; subject lacks notability as per WP:GNG and is not encyclopedic as per WP:DICDEF. Guoguo12 --Talk-- 00:22, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Can't find anything usable to save this one. --> Gggh ^talk/_contribs 11:24, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete, quoting the article: "FABOOST was a word created... on 14th October 2010".--Hongkongresident (talk) 13:15, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete, non-notable neologism. —C.Fred (talk) 21:36, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the feedback on what is wrong with the article i have been improving it daily we have now reference to video of the words origin and also chloe's twitter has origins of the word the article has only just started so i am trying to update it daily up to a good standard for you guy the reason i created this page is by request and the word is picking up a lot and if carry on like it is could be a word that will be used a lot in social situations. So please don't delete it i will try and sort out the problem people are having with the wiki i have had a lot of positive feedback and i am hoping it informs people of the words origins if wondering and that it also helps people pick the word up. I was shock it was requested for deletion and will improve on what people are having problems with but feedback is feedback and i will try and fix it to your needs. Thanks Arianinja —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arianinja (talk • contribs) 21:56, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that there's no evidence of independent sources using or discussing the word. In the case of a neologism like this, the requirement is to show widespread usage. Showing videos, tweets, and other primary sources won't meet that hurdle. —C.Fred (talk) 22:04, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Along with the valid Wikipedia-is-not-a-dictionary concerns, note that this word was created a day ago, which virtually guarantees that there won't be any reliable sources for it. The article has a snowball's chance in hell at getting kept. However, what you can do, and probably should do, is copy and paste the article into a user subpage, like User:Arianinja/Faboost. There, you can tinker with the article all you want, and if it somehow does manage to get as much mainstream press as a phrase like stay the course or truthiness, then you might have a case for its inclusion. But until that happens, this article shouldn't be in the Wikipedia namespace.--Hongkongresident (talk) 22:32, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Notice: I have corrected the layout of the page to match the recommendations at WP:AfD. No text has been altered. Guoguo12 --Talk-- 22:20, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I heard this in the interview and later googled it to find this article. I do think it is relevant and has already started going viral through twitter and other social networking websites. Wikipedia isn't a dictionary, and faboost isn't even a real word. The purpose of the article is not to define a word, but to show how such a trendy word came to be, its origins, what it means, and how it has spread. Mases26 (talk) 08:46, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi guys Arianinja here i am happy that i am getting alot of feedback and i am trying to keep the wikipedia page and up to date as i can any new information on the word how it is spreading on the creators of the words chloe and kobi. I understand your points on how it can be seen under that wiki is not a dictionary but so can pretty much any article on wikipedia because they all have the meaning of the word. The reason for that is with out the meaning of the word you can not expand on what your article is and that is exactly what it is. I am trying to inform people of the word and also keep people update with the meaning, news, Creators, websites, videos and how it's spreading exact what wikipedia for tell and informing people about things. People are all giving me good feedback including the Lovefilm who originally shot the interview so i am planning to keep it as up to date as i can with new and how its spreading and uses of the word.You could say it is neologism but thats not what i am just trying to achieve i am trying to inform people of the origins and the world of faboost. also to your other point i have now referenced the video of the creation of the word, the let me in facebook page were they link to the wikipedia page and comment on the creation of the word. Also chloe grace moretz's twitter page where the word is used throughly. Also i have created the subpage thing if what i don't want to happern happerns

Thank Arianinja —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arianinja (talk • contribs) 11:19, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to defend this article, but failed. Subject is non-notable. The only way to save this article from deletion is to find at least one reliable secondary source. Try to avoid primary sources, it's a waste of your precious time and effort. If you can't provide secondary sources, this nomination will almost certainly be successful and article will be deleted. --> Gggh ^talk/_contribs 19:46, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong delete, per above. Willpower (talk) 04:20, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have now put up a link to the word being traded mark for something in medicine it is up on the wikipedia page now and has a link to prove it thanks Arianinja —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arianinja (talk • contribs) 09:23, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If there were some sort of a product related to the trademark, then that might be something to hang a separate/new article on. However, there's no mention of a product at Trademarkia, so it comes down to the word not being actually used for anything. Wikipedia is not a collection of miscellaneous trivia, nor a dictionary of trademarked terms, so that does not give any more reason for the article to be kept. —C.Fred (talk) 13:50, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think a lot of people are being to hard on this article i mean it explain what it is. It informs people it backs up every point it can with references and links. It generally isn't that bad i mean i worked hard on it and if you look on the history i update daily with new information link etc. So if it get deleted i know i worked hard on it and i tried to stop the deletion. I agree with some of your points but i will keep trying to improve on your points until it gets deleted but i will have to hope it's not deleted. Thanks for the feedback Arianinja —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arianinja (talk • contribs) 10:41, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also, Chloë's tweets or posts on other social networking websites are generally not acceptable as sources per WP:TWITTER. --> Gggh ^talk/_contribs 14:34, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The wikipedia page has not been deleted yet so i will try and find even for sources thanks arianinja —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arianinja (talk • contribs) 16:49, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi guys again i don't know how to edit it to link it to other articles as a orphan article as am going to like it to chloe's and Kodi's wikipedia but not sure how to do it??? Thanks again Arianinja —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arianinja (talk • contribs) 16:48, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Faboost may have come to Chloe's mind spontaneously but she was not the first one. There's is in fact a reference at Trademarkia showing that this is a trademarked term registered by Bayer in 2006 [20]. De728631 (talk) 22:37, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Old German Baptist Brethren. Any relevant content can be merged from the history. Sandstein 06:55, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Old German Baptist Brethren (New Conference)

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Not notable enough for own article -- merge with Old German Baptist Brethren. Jrtayloriv (talk) 18:44, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete A single reference is not sufficient to establish notability. Prsaucer1958 (talk) 19:00, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There are quite a few external links, and it discussion of the New Conference is in danger of dominating the history section of the OGBB page, (which is out of proportion to it's importance historically.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brechbill123 (talk • contribs) 19:31, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The reference is from 1995, so obviously not talking about this New Conference. It could be notable, as small denominations often are, but it will be hard to find third party sources. No need to merge - the Old German Baptist Brethren article has more than enough on this subject, though it is entirely unreferenced. St Anselm (talk) 01:06, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
RETAIN Added references from two New Conference publications this last year, they're polemic but facts can be gleaned from them. I agree with Anselm, this article helps to remove extraneous New Conference material from the Old German Baptist Brethren Article, which it is unbalancing at present--BUT I argue for retention.204.42.21.188 (talk) 22:41, 9 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.42.21.188 (talk) 22:38, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge back to Old German Baptist Brethren, or rather redirect, since a similar text is there (in "Recent Developments") already. OGGB appears to result from a schism in 1881 and only has 56 churches, all in USA. The New Conference must be an even smaller denomination. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:27, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Old German Baptist Brethren. Fails WP:ORG. Edison (talk) 20:17, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect per above and in that full disambiguating names of sourced denoms of any size should be retained as redirects at minimum. JJB 01:18, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:47, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Saakara

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Wikipedia is not a recipe book. Jrtayloriv (talk) 18:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as it is just a dictionary definition. Armbrust ^Talk _Contribs 09:56, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep (and Rescue) Admittedly the reference is a receipe, but that's unavoidable for an article about prepared food. It is appropriate for WP to have such an article, linked as it is to the larger article on Oriya cuisine. It may be difficult to find Google-able references so editors will have to actually read books (remember those?) and even visit the library (remember that?). Such articles help balance the western-centricity of WP. And last, it's only a few days old - can't we give it a chance to grow a little before we decide to consign it to oblivion? Geoff ^{Who, me?} 20:25, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't see how having a recipe for a non-notable curry dish helps "balance the western-centricity of WP". -- Jrtayloriv (talk) 03:31, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Is this the proper spelling of it? Why doesn't Google Book search find anything with it and the word "curry" or "cook" added to it? If its a real thing, it should be in countless cookbooks, which would make it notable. Dream Focus 08:46, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete unless sources can be provided which are more than a recipe book. We need to be able to write about the significance of this dish with regard to its native culture, etc. If such sources are found, then please disregard this !vote. SnottyWong ^speak 23:39, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I believe if there is a way it can be expanded upon, maybe incorporating the history of Saakara, or perhaps a picture, or anything referring to its cultural roots, it can be tied into the original Oriya cuisine article. After researching it more, if there is no information on it to be found, then it should be deleted. But it deserves a chance like any other small article. Jadex99 (talk) 04:08, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I'm not finding anyhing that confirms this dish even exists, much less is notable. There are, of course, countless curry variations, some of which are unique to a certain restaurant, etc. Saakara is occasionally a spelling for the area better known as Saqqara, but I'm not seeing anything that confirms this meaning. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 02:08, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I can see why M. Ritzman relisted this. Some of the rationales above are not useful for a closing administrator to make a decision. "Keep if sources exist"/"Delete if sources don't exist" are basically re-statements of deletion policy that do nothing to determine the answer to the actual question that needs answering of whether sources exist. Nor does "Other editors are going to have to do work, but I haven't.". (Glane23, as an article rescuer with a long track record I tell you this: What you are doing is not actual article rescue, at all.)
I therefore add my research to that of Starblind. I've looked, and cannot find any evidence of anything by this name. Even the source cited doesn't actually document any such thing. I can find exactly 13 words that appear to indicate that there's a rice dish called Sakara. But they are bad English and don't convey enough information for me to even be able to create a stub, let alone indicate that there's scope for expansion of such a stub into a full article. The article cites no (supporting) sources, and I can find no (usable) sources. Delete. Uncle G (talk) 14:05, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The name of the dish seems to be Pani Kakharu Sakara, as indicated in the source given, and asking Google about that term yields a number of hits from various recipe sites. The article seems to have been created with an alternative transliteration or perhaps misspelling in the title. I don't know Oriya or Oriya script so don't know what other alternative spellings might exist when it's transliterated. All that aside, recipe websites aren't really reliable sources, and recipes are not appropriate WP content in any case. I've tried to look at other Oriya food articles to see what kind of sources they have and perhaps find something about Pani Kakharu Sakara, but it's a bit depressing reading since most sources seem to be the same kind of recipe sites... there has to be better sources somewhere but I don't seem to be able to find them at the moment. All of which adds up to a weak delete without prejudice against recreation if and when sources are found. I strongly agree with what was said above about Western bias, but that doesn't mean articles can go in without any good sources. --bonadea contributions talk 11:40, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. -- Cirt (talk) 00:47, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My First Affair

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Dubious notability. The first two sources don't even mention the album, and the third is a blank allmusic listing. Redirect declined by author. No reliable source coverage found anywhere. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 21:12, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: It is a little odd that the New York Times review doesn't mention her show by name, but the songs described in that review do match the songs listed in the article (and supported by the allmusic link.) 28bytes (talk) 05:48, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't transfer notability to the album though. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 20:36, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, tough one, but in addition to the New York Times source, there does appear to be some coverage for this album. I believe some of the confusion has arisen because it is the songs from the show she is singing in. Album appears in CMT, CDBaby, Allmusic, and the show has several references/reviews in Theater mania and Cabaret Scenes. I believe that an article about the show and the album would be worth keeping. Maybe the author would be interested in that? - Theornamentalist (talk) 13:04, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, I would be more than happy to reformat this as an article pertaining to show + album if that is what is recommended. I agree the available source is a little confusing; one of the reasons I wanted to create this article was to collate and clarify the source that is available. I choose to focus on the album/soundtrack as it is an item which is still viable and available whereas the show was completed in 2007 (thou it was revamped and ran again as "Love Letters" in 2008.) Were this to be a one-off recording from a performer who had nothing else as far as discography, I can see how this would not be 'notable' per Wikipedia guidelines. However, I feel it is a relevant entry as it is part of the discography of a gold-selling and Grammy-awarded artist with multiple charting albums to her credit.

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Keep The article appears to be in good shape, thanks to the clean-up efforts following the launch of this AfD. Regent of the Seatopians (talk) 16:47, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. -- Cirt (talk) 00:47, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hamilton Community Foundation

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Noble, but not notable. Also an important conflict of interest with User:Tvgdlh, the initials of three HCF staff members (including their PR manager). Raymie (t • c) 23:01, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Plenty of news coverage available [21], although the three links provided at the article are worthless (one is dead and the other two are to the current edition of the paper, not to the article cited). With rewriting and citations the foundation's notability would be apparent. --MelanieN (talk) 23:03, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep plenty of gnews hits as MelanieN shows. many of which are reasonably in depth. LibStar (talk) 07:07, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep . Marasmusine (talk) 09:09, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Evil Geniuses

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Video game playing organization fails WP:CLUB, WP:ORG, and WP:GNG. SnottyWong ^gab 23:22, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Well, if you think this needs to be deleted without giving it a chance to expand, simply because you have no knowledge of electronic sports or their organizations with millions of dollars in sponsors, then you probably shouldn't be getting yourself involved in the first place. That is all I will say on this matter. DarthBotto_talk•cont 00:15, 09 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

keep There are some sources [22] looks to be a good source, [23] is in passing in a RS, [24] is pretty detailed and the source appears reliable (not certain) and [25] includes a number of foreign language sources which might be useful. Hobit (talk) 00:29, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the article makes lofty claims which the meagre sources would seem to disprove. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 21:30, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Erb? I was unaware that was a reason for deletion. In any case, what lofty claims? "the organization is known as being the premiere North American electronic sports organization, boasting highly successful players across each competitive genre." As near as I can tell replacing "the" with "a" would solve any such problems. Could you explain? Hobit (talk) 23:06, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - In order to solve that problem, I think you'd need to change "a" to "the" as you suggested, but also you'd need to remove the word "premiere" (as this is just puffery), as well as everything after the comma, namely: "boasting highly successful players across each competitive genre". That would reduce it to "...the organization is known as being a North American electronic sports organization." Having corrected the POV problems, then you'd just need to provide a reliable source which corroborates that statement. SnottyWong ^speak 23:15, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yep, Snottywong nailed it. Since "the premiere North American electronic sports organization" is certainly NOT this one, and that's about the only claim to notability in the article. There's really nothing left for the article to stand on. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 02:02, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Other than meeting WP:N you mean? Hobit (talk) 08:31, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Slight Keep - multiple hits at Joystiq. Not much individually, but collectively may be enough. --Teancum (talk) 15:36, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Those are all just short advertisements and press releases. None of them are significant coverage (as required by WP:GNG). SnottyWong ^confer 17:30, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Hobit's sources. No objection to de-peacockifying it in the process of adding sources, of course. Jclemens (talk) 20:26, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. -- Cirt (talk) 00:48, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Instant (album)

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Non-notable and unsourced. Band is notable, but album doesn't seem to be. -- Jrtayloriv (talk) 06:50, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep: Album reviewed by Allmusic. Mattg82 (talk) 21:01, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think that a single review at "allmusic.com" makes the article notable enough to include in Wikipedia? I don't see how this satisifies WP:NOTABLE. Generally, topics are only considered notable if they have received coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. -- Jrtayloriv (talk) 18:12, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The Ex are notable for their work with some of the most well known avant garde and alternative rock artists (e.g., Tom Cora, Tortoise and members of Sonic Youth) as well as some of Ethiopia's most famous musicians (including Getatchew Mekuria). This album is in this lineage of collaborations: Han Bennink's presence alone it a noteworthy contribution to European free jazz, and with the rest of The Ex's discography making its way onto Wikipedia, why omit one album from their chronology? Morganfitzp (talk) 16:58, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is not about The Ex being notable. It's about this album being notable. -- Jrtayloriv (talk) 18:12, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Clearly notable band, album has coverage in the Trouser Press Record Guide and Allmusic. Print reviews will certainly exist given the band's stature.--Michig (talk) 06:28, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. -- Cirt (talk) 05:03, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of Bad Girls Club participants

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This is just a directory of people that have appeared on The Bad Girls Club, which are covered in each of the show's season pages. Mike Allen 06:51, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ Smerge per Ajona as a content fork of information in the season articles. Yoenit (talk) 11:21, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge so I can re-create the main article The Bad Girls Club page after I am done with two other GA and FA nominations. AJona1992 (talk) 15:32, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment @Yoenit, per your deleted comment, why couldn't Jona userfy this page? Isn't that what userfication is for? Mike Allen 04:31, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- What do you mean Mike? even though you was referring to him AJona1992 (talk) 04:32, 9 October 2010 (UTC).[reply]
  - Means to copy the page's contents over to one of your sandboxes to work on until it's ready for mainspace. Though, I don't think it will ever be ready for mainspace, since the show's season pages cover all of the girls. I'm wondering what he means by "licensing issues". Mike Allen 04:53, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Yea true I did that though remember? and I was just wondering why not merge it so I can work on the main page because Season 5's page is currently a GAN. AJona1992 (talk) 05:01, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - Userfication of the page followed by a merge into another article would amount to a merge and delete vote. Wikipedias CC-BY-SA license does not allow that without merging the article history, so it is normally not done without a very good reason. I did not realize this when I suggested it, but I remembered shortly after. I am changing my vote to selective merge the article to The Bad Girls Club, depending on how much information Ajona whishes to incorporate in the main article. Yoenit (talk) 22:26, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep While it's true the same essential information is in the season articles, an overview article might be acceptable for comparisons' sake. No objection to deleting if the list hasn't been improved within reasonable time. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 02:58, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:48, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Supernova Entertainment

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Unremarkable, now defunct company which organised amateur battle-of-the-bands. Fails WP:NOTABILITY and WP:GNG. Lacking any reliable, third-party sources. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 12:46, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete You'd think there would be some solid sourcing based on the claims in the article, but I'm not seeing it. This is as close as I can find to a reliable source. It sure doesn't help that the same Supernova Entertainment belongs to at least two other companies, either. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 02:52, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 00:48, 17 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wewaii

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Non-notable browser game with no references from reliable, third party sources: Fails WP:WEB and WP:V. None of the current sources are reliable according to the WikiProject Video games guide to sources. I used the WPVG custom Google search and got zero results. The awards in the "Recognition" section are from sites that aren't a reliable measure of the game's notability as they allow fan voting and have skewed reviews. Wyatt Riot (talk) 14:35, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete sourcing does not provide significant coverage, reliability is dubious. Can't find anything usable to save this one. --Teancum (talk) 14:56, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep apart from the list given on the press releases page on the TravianGames site, which may or may not be reliable, Wewaii is also mentioned in this academic paper published by IEEE. --Joshua Issac (talk) 22:24, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The press page is pretty bad; the sites are little more than linkfarm review sites for browser games. The IEEE source is a single-mention name drop in a paper presented in a conference, not the significant coverage that WP:GNG requires. Wyatt Riot (talk) 02:57, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What about the de:Deutscher Computerspielpreis award? The German Wikipedia seems to suggest that the company is supported by lots of other large companies and the Federal Government Commissioner for Culture and Media (using Google Translate). Doesn't that make it a notable award? --Joshua Issac (talk) 09:18, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I personally wouldn't consider it because it's not well known outside Germany. It's essentially a German award for Germans: just about anybody can enter, including people outside the industry, as long as they're German. Wyatt Riot (talk) 14:51, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have added a Deutscher Computerspielpreis reference to the article because it covers the subject significantly. I think, with that and the Covus reference (browsergames.de), the article passes GNG. --Joshua Issac (talk) 15:33, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Covus is the same company that runs browser1.de, which was specifically marked as unreliable by WikiProject Video games for the same type of thing that browsergames.de is now doing, such as giving every game a 5/5 rating, no author by-lines, no discussion of editorial policy, uncritical trivial reviews of games (bordering on press releases), and fan-submitted content and voting. The Deutscher Computerspielpreis award appears legit, or at least they're sponsored by some larger companies, but I still stand by my characterization of the award as being a minor one, especially since it's German-only and essentially anyone can enter. Wyatt Riot (talk) 03:58, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think that while browsergames.de is run by the same company, it does not have the same issues. It does not give every game a 5* rating,[26][27] (although a lot of them do seem have 5*) and the readers' votes stay separate from the editors' ratings. The editor list can be found here. The user submitted content is the "Eure Wertung" game rating and the comments as suggested on the "about" page; many online articles also have comments sections. There is a terms and conditions page, but I don't know if it has anything about editorial policy. --Joshua Issac (talk) 19:07, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per lack of substantial coverage in reliable sources. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 01:58, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to List of The Land Before Time characters. /ƒETCH COMMS / 00:25, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cera (The Land Before Time)

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Articles for deletion/Littlefoot

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The essence of the first (Littlefoot) afd applies here as well since no attempt to establish the needed information has been made. EDIT: The articles were already merged, but were brought back sometime ago. This afd is to see if we can still come to a similar agreement proposed in the last afd by the closing admin.

I am also nominating the following related pages:

Keep or merge into List of The Land Before Time characters. As central characters of a successful and long-running film series (13 of them, plus a TV show!), these are definitely notable enough to be covered on Wikipedia. Whether in their own articles or in the list is more of a stylistic choice and not especially important. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 15:21, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot to mention the articles were already merged, but were brought back sometime ago. Apologies. « ₣M₣ » 16:25, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Comment For those who are concerned that a deletion would result in an extinction of all information about Cera and the gang, they all live on in the Land Before Time wiki. No opinion about keep or delete-- for now, my delete argument would be pure WP:IDONTLIKEIT and see it as a holdover from Wikipedia's old days, but given the neverending popularity of this franchise for more than 20 years, I suspect that the characters have some real world notability. Mandsford 15:27, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to the list of characters article since the content has already been merged. Consider page protection if redirection is undone without adding independent reliable sources sufficient to establish notability. Jclemens (talk) 20:22, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of The Land Before Time characters. Given the popularity of these characters coverage in list form is warranted and these are plausible redirects. Eluchil404 (talk) 03:28, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect per Jclemens and Eluchil404. Mostly unsourced or trivial information bordering on original research. The LoC keeps it short and clean. – sgeureka ^t•c 07:25, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per everyone else. No offense, but why this was re-listed is beyond me. Sven Manguard _Talk 04:21, 23 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:31, 22 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Quidco

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See prior AFD, at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Quidco (2nd nomination), where consensus was to delete. User has attempted some work on a proposed draft article. Procedural nomination, no opinion expressed by nominator on this current incarnation of the article on this company (though to have disclosure I did express one in the prior AFD close, linked above). Bringing here to AFD again for assessment of this version of the article from a draft by Stuartcoggins (talk · contribs). Thank you for your time. -- Cirt (talk) 17:30, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ - I went through the cites that are in the article and other then "It exists" and "this is how it works" I don't feel that it passes WP:N. Simply put the article is very much WP:ARTSPAM. There is also some WP:OR in some areas where I highly doubt that there is any reliable sources available for citation. - Pmedema (talk) 18:23, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am of the opinion that it does meet WP:N and went into this in some considerable detail when it was first nominated for deletion over two years ago. Supposed (talk) 05:33, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- Comment - Delete !vote taken back as I should have taken the further step to look for other references. I based my view on the cites that were in the article at that time. - Pmedema (talk) 12:28, 16 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"it is notable because of the effect it had on companies and on an industry which is notable, per guidelines on WP:CORP. It says"worthy of being noted" or "attracting notice ... Large organizations are likely to have more readily available verifiable information from reliable sources that provide evidence of notability; however, smaller organizations can be notable, just as individuals can be notable, and arbitrary standards should not be used to create a bias favoring larger organizations.. And in this case, quidco was notable before the articles on it were published because it was an incentivised site worthy of note. It is worthy of note not just due to its popularity, it has always been worthy of note because it ""attracts notice" due to its alternative business model etc". The curious thing about this now though is that quidco is now one of the largest cashback websites on the internet.... but the point still stands that its notability is more down to the alternative business model (i.e.- 100% cashback) that it used to change the affiliate marketing industry, not the size of the company. Supposed (talk) 05:38, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The website meets WP:CORP, it has "multiple non-trivial independent sources". Regards, Asterion^talk 16:31, 13 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep References from the Daily Mail, the Observer, and the Guardian clearly establish its notability. --MelanieN (talk) 23:13, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, significantly covered by reliable sources. Peter Karlsen (talk) 06:03, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Has sources from the Daily Mail. Well covered too. Minima c (talk) 06:06, 15 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The issue is how 'trivial' is defined. There have been concerns in the past over the coverage of quidco in these independent sources. People have complained that although the sources aren't trivial (Guardian etc.), quidco perhaps only gets a trivial mention within some of those articles which might lead to the proliferation of articles on cashback sites on wikipedia. As Top CashBack shows this is already happening. The alternative is to perhaps include quidco as part of another article on reward websites. Corporate dominance in notability seems almost unavoidable though as Bing Cashback proves. Supposed (talk) 02:23, 18 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've got to be honest, even though I am the creator of the quidco article, I would back its deletion on the basis of violation of WP:ARTSPAM. I've grown tired over the years trying to police this, it seems almost a magnet for it even though there are revisions of this article that are perfectly fine on wikipedia. Supposed (talk) 04:46, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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