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DYK review request

Good evening, Drmies! I see that you've done quite a few reviews of DYK nominations and was wondering if you could possibly review two of which I've recently submitted: stimulus modality and implicit learning on August 1st and August 10th respectively. These will go towards a school assignment and are due very shortly so any time and help you can offer would be greatly appreciated! Thank you. R-Bot6 (talk) 01:37, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hey. I'm looking at Stimulus modality and I'm seeing some things already. The use of first person in the opening sentence isn't good and should be rephrased, and I don't know what "coding the stimulus modality" means. Keep in mind, you're writing for an audience that knows a lot less about this than you do (and that includes me). Drmies (talk) 01:49, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I made some edits and left some questions in the text ("explain" template) and in edit summaries. Problem is it's a fairly lengthy article and it's fairly technical--I have yet to read the whole thing. So be patient, and continue to work on it. Drmies (talk) 02:06, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for reviewing. I actually didn't see these wonderful suggestions you've made until now. I will definitely make some of the necessary changes to stimulus modality. I've made some suggested edits to implicit learning and left a reply comment under the DYK nomination. Please let me know if anything else! R-Bot6 (talk) 23:58, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There, I did it

There, I did it. What can i say? Some men just want to watch the world burn. --Activism1234 02:32, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you

The Genuine Barnstar
Drmies, you are a true friend and for me, the very model of an outstanding Wikipedia administrator. I present to you this barnstar, I believe the very first barnstar I've ever awarded, which is based on a photo I took myself in Petaluma, California, (home town of my father-in-law) as a small token of the high regard I feel for you. Thank you for everything you do for the world's greatest encyclopedia.Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:31, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Cullen, I really appreciate that. One day we'll get together again and have cocktails and talk about the good old days. Please give my regards to Mrs. Cullen and to Cullen junior, and let me know if I can help with anything. Drmies (talk) 14:26, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I trust they'll find this appropriate. Thanks for the help with them. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:50, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Are you banned?

I saw on AN that you needed to be banned. Have you been banned? If not, why not, huh? Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:46, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Seconded. --kelapstick(bainuu) 09:10, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
And I never got the chance to throw doc mies under the bus. :/ Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 12:41, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Waffle cakes! Waffle cakes! :) Franamax (talk) 12:55, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Aww, say it ain't so. I'm going to miss your help in the middle of the night! :0( OliverTwisted (Talk) (Stuff) 13:13, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Waffle cakes! Someone remembers! BMK, I'll check AN out in a little bit--first, I gotta pretend to a room full of people that I teach Business and Professional Writing (if I manage to get a key code for the door from our secretary...). Drmies (talk) 14:13, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Y'know, it's funny. We were required to take a technical writing class (there were also business/professional writing variants of the same class), and the professor was a poetry guy. He even had to get a substitute for us for when he had to go to some poetry event in Europe. Needless to say, the class was pointless. What is the deal with English professors being forced to teach business writing when it's not even close to their field? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 14:16, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It's not so simple a matter. First of all, in defense of me and my colleagues (maybe not all of them), usually we know how to write and teach writing in different disciplines. In my case, I worked for a school of accountancy for many years, and in various other administrative functions in a couple of different fields of business. A lot of it is plain common sense, and much of the rest is following accepted guidelines and adopting templates. Second, apparently many schools of business think it's not their business to teach writing, or they don't want it to be their business--farming it out to people like me is a lot cheaper, since we get paid a lot less on our side of campus. So it makes business sense, haha. I like to think that my class is not so pointless: in fact, I get better evaluations in those classes than in a lot of lit classes, although it is entirely possible that I simply suck even worse in lit classes. Speaking of lit classes, gotta run... Drmies (talk) 15:44, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well, you're definitely leagues better than the prof I had (even in the clue department, totally apart from actual business experience). He...didn't know what he was doing. I mean, it is a lot of common sense, but then there's not much to teach, is there? What we really needed was someone to give us examples of things from real life, and he never had any; he just kinda waved us off to go do our workbook exercises. I guess the class wasn't a total waste though; there was a girl in it who would always bring homemade candy in, and it was delicious. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 15:58, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Secret River

I've suggested yet another hook. Hope you'll take a look, and thanks.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:13, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

'sup

Made it to Mongolia, and am relearning how to cross the street. I am always amazed at how the drivers here can tun two lanes into three, and four lanes into five. It is quite the sight. Hope all is well, cheers. --kelapstick(bainuu) 09:13, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Say hello to my Uncle while there. What in the world do you do that takes you to such exotic locales. Well, except Canada is a dump and not exotic. Bgwhite (talk) 09:25, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • I dabble. You have an uncle here? Does he go by Uncle Bgwhite? If not I may have trouble finding him. Or does he go by the name "skip"? Because I know a guy here nicknamed Skip that reminds me of you. Also, I'm going to build my own TARDIS, that should be a fun way to kill the days off, no? Drmies will have his hands full so I won't ask for his ample woodworking expertise. --kelapstick(bainuu) 09:41, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • I lived in Phoenix in the last 80s, sounds like the same drivers. Whatever you are there for, hope you have some fun doing it. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 10:50, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Good on you, mate! I thought of you just now when I checked my Facebook and your boy's face popped up. Yes, we are well and we are biding our time, waiting on this kid who is really taking his time. First day of class today--keep your fingers crossed for me since I already have mommy brain. Drmies (talk) 14:12, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • As one who has some experience with the avuncular, I suggest that M. White Background's Mongolian uncle's name is almost certainly Sagaan Ubgen. M. White Background will no doubt be familiar with the practice, in Canadia, of having a dual-language passport: one half in some funny language with diacritics and strange words like "précis", "naïve", and "renaissance" that are only uttered by dang furriners, and the other half in French. His uncle has a dual-language passport, too. When he travels to the Great White North, he is known by his Buryat name of Белый Старец.

    Ignore the red colour of the hyperlink, there. Everybody knows that it should correctly be yellow. Move along, now. This is not something that you did not know that you did not know, M. Chapstick, and don't even try to pretend that it was. ☺

    Uncle G (talk) 14:13, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

    • Shimamura, Ippei (2004). "Yellow Shamans (Mongolia)". In Walter, Mariko Namba; Neumann Fridman, Eva Jane (eds.). Shamanism: An Encyclopedia of World Beliefs, Practices, and Culture. Vol. 1. ABC-CLIO. pp. 649–651. ISBN 9781576076453. {{cite encyclopedia}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
    • Hesse, Klaus (1987). "On the History of Mongolian Shamanism in Anthropological Perspective". Anthropos. 82 (4/6): 403–413. {{cite journal}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
    • Hesse, Klaus (1986). "A Note on the Transformation of White, Black and Yellow Shamanism in the History of the Mongols" (PDF). Studies in History. 2: 17–30. doi:10.1177/025764308600200102. {{cite journal}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help); Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)
    • Зеленин, Дмитрий Константинович (1936). Культ онгонов в Сибири (in Russian). Moskva: Изд-во Академии наук СССР. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
    • Pedersen, Morten Axel (2011). Not Quite Shamans: Spirit Worlds and Political Lives in Northern Mongolia. Culture and Society After Socialism. Cornell University Press. ISBN 9780801476204. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
    • Gibson, Todd (1985). "dgra-lha: a re-examination" (PDF). The Journal of the Tibet Society. 5. Bloomington, IN: Indiana University: 67–72. {{cite journal}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
    • Bira, Shagdar (2011). Regarding the history of Tngri cult of Mongols. III Международная научно-практическая конференция — Тенгрианство и эпическое наследие народов Евразии: истоки и современность, 1 по 3 июля 2011 (in Russian). {{cite conference}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
    • Uncle, I'm trying, but JSTOR and GBooks don't give me anything more. That red/yellow link should be blue, indeed. But first we take a nap. Drmies (talk) 19:05, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Well if you're stumped, notice that Токарев, Сергей Александрович, the author of the Soviet encyclopaedia Мифы народов мира doesn't have an English article apparently. Does Doctor Blow-dry read Russian? Or is it only Polish? ☺ There's more on M. White Background's Mongolian uncle to be found in Google Books, but it is in Cyrillic. ☺ The Yellow shamans article should be easier. There are sources in English, as you saw. There's that whole encyclopaedia article, cited above. Uncle G (talk) 19:52, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • What you need is someone who can look at sources in Mongolian. But it might be the case, alas, that M. Chapstick has picked up a local approach to other languages: Speak loudly and slowly. Fair goes, every fella speaks Strine, right? Uncle G (talk) 08:31, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • A main article on Mongolian shamanism is warranted--but it would (and should) gobble up yellow and black. Drmies (talk) 18:01, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
          • I could definitely see that an article on Mongolian shamanism is possible. I have access to the Highbeam Research site, and see several articles about it. If someone wants some material from there, if they would send me an e-mail with their address and an indication of what they want, I can forward material from there, or other Gale databanks, or ProQuest, JSTOR, NewsBank, and various other databanks. Also, several of the relevant religion encyclopedias, including Lindsay Jones' 2nd edition of the Encyclopedia of Religion, have multiple articles relating to this basic subject. I gathered a list of the articles in that work at User:John Carter/Religion articles, and we're still missing a lot of them. In that volume, I think every article is at least a few paragraphs long and has some individual bibliography. The old Hastings Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics probably has a good deal on the subject as well, even if some of it is dated. If anyone here would want anything on any of these topics, drop me an e-mail indicating what you want and I can try to get it to you in a few days at most. John Carter (talk) 18:59, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
            • Thank you John, that's very kind of you. I'm working, for now, with what I can find using GBooks and other sources, and I'm trying to get a bunch of these articles to DYK length--this is my unsystematic, haphazard way of doing things. Drmies (talk) 21:04, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
              • Well, if you find some trouble getting any of them to length, drop me a note and I can do what I can to help make them serious DYK candidates. There are a remarkable number of significant articles we don't have yet, and anything I could do to help get more content related to religion in some way, including DYKs, might get more interest in the subject and more people to work on the related articles sounds good to me. I remember my first DYK was rejected because I added a tag about incorporating a very short public domain source in the article, which sucked actually, and I would be more than happy to help get any content on the main page. John Carter (talk) 23:26, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
              • Sergei Aleksandrovich Tokarev has magically appeared, thanks to Aymatth2. I shall authorlink it forthwith. If you're not careful, all of this stuff is going to be up at the same time. Uncle G (talk) 23:57, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
File:Belyastarecweliste.jpg
Hi, I'm Tsagan Aav from Elista, and I'm not a stupid boilerplate talk page notice from a robot. The Kalmyk Buddhist Monastery Central has an article with a picture of someone better looking. But I tell better jokes. A dissertation on White Elders in traditional Mongolian cultures walks into a bar one day — Stop me if you've heard this one before. — …

Regarding Uncle G's query about my Mongolian, I haven't taken to talking loud, as it is unhelpful. Slow, no prepositions, and knowing a little of the language helps. I can read Cyrillic so I can make out words I know and words that are actually English. As my user page says, I refer to this as Yassan be mongolian. --kelapstick(bainuu) 22:43, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks to User talk:Moonriddengirl#Richard Arthur Norton, we now know that we don't have the toli, also known as the küzüngü in Turkish and the panaptu in Manchurian, which is a small metal mirror. And we didn't even know that we didn't have it. By the way: There's real stuff in what Tsagan Aav from Elista says. I've been doing some reading …. Uncle G (talk) 10:08, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You already have a six-fold hook. But as a fallback, I have a hook for Sagaan Ubgen alone that may interest you. Did you know … that the character of the White Old Man was imported from Mongolian tsam dance into Tibetan cham dance because the 13th Dalai Lama had a dream? I'm working on the content right now. Of course, the source that I've found this in uses yet another transliteration of this name. Uncle G (talk) 22:07, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Excellent--that's the only one that's under the limit; the rest still needs work, of course, and I apologize for, basically, half-assing. The Lady knows why (no news, Lady).

Put "Шоу-син" into Google Images and see what turns up. This transliterates to Shousin. I think that this is the Old Man of the South Pole, but of course the books in Russian don't give the actual Chinese or Japanese name …. Uncle G (talk) 12:45, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Five day report

File:Belyastarecweliste.jpg
Hi, I'm Tsagan Aav from Elista. Did you know that I'm a fertility god? Look what happened as soon as I touched your talk page.

Here's a summary of where we are. Uncle G (talk) 09:59, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

stuff in Mongolian and pictures

We don't know what these have to tell us:

If only there were some Mongolian-reading Wikipedia editors around here!

Furthermore, look at the pictures in those articles. They aren't free content, alas! If only there were some Wikipedia editors actually currently in Mongolia around here who could take some free content pictures of these tsam characters, eh? On the matter of pictures, here are two paintings:

Note the blurb by Eva Gerhards in the latter. Everyone knows that German is just like Dutch, ne? ☺

Uncle G (talk) 08:47, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Nice little blurb--that is, nice little explication of the image. There is no explanation of the 44, though. Note where the image is: Freiburg, where my friend, an editor with the MGH, lives. Beautiful city. But I have no doubt that K-stick will run out and start clicking. Drmies (talk) 02:35, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Doctor Hook

See Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Mongolian shamanism. Uncle G (talk) 12:14, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Request.

  • Hi Drmies, would you please full protect the article Muhammad Iqbal for some time. I have posted request for comment on its talk page, but I am sure the act of revertion will be continued.Last edit is this and that is not controversial. Thanks.Justice007 (talk) 14:50, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hello Justice--sorry, but I can't do that right now in the absence of a real edit-war. That revert by DocTropics seems uncontroversial indeed: they are copy edits and improve the article. For instance, few people will know what "Quaid-i-Azam" means, so "the founder of Pakistan" is a valid substitution. I see also that there is active discussion on the talk page. You are free to ask someone else's opinion (at WP:RFPP), and maybe some of the stalkers have an opinion as well. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:40, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • OK, thanks. Justice007 (talk) 15:45, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Socks

Threatening to sock? Naughty naughty. ;) GiantSnowman 15:52, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Well, ban me and see what I'm made of. But really, my alternate accounts are all ArbCom approved (of course, with my other accounts I actually make up one third of ArbCom). Drmies (talk) 17:05, 13 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Michael Blakey

Orlady (talk) 16:03, 13 August 2012 (UTC) [reply]

Category:Female suicides

Category:Female suicides, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:22, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Peacemaker67 (talk) 06:23, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Kruger v. Krugers

Is Krugers a viable family name in Europe? Most sources spell the subject I'm writing about with an S, but I can't find any proof its an actual name. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:27, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And yet this has Kruger... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:51, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Human baby

This is a newborn human baby, 3063 g, 51 cm, male. Born 17 August 2012, 7:24 AM.

Congratulations, Drmies!!! LadyofShalott 17:43, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

D'awwwww. Congratulations! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:59, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
1968? Must be you. Bielle (talk) 18:09, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that was indeed my own birthday. Please don't be doing any math. In my defense, I haven't had a lot of food or sleep recently. Drmies (talk) 18:20, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You may not have had a lot of food or sleep, but you were answering questions here apparently in the hour preceding your son's birth. I am surprised that Mrs Drmies didn't have something unfriendly to say about that. However, none of the takes away from wishing a warm welcome to the newest "SonofDrmeis" Bielle (talk) 18:27, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You're still younger than me, but not by much. Congrats, in particular to Mrs. Drmies, who did all the real work. If we men had to do what the ladies do just to bring life into this world, the species would have ceased to exist eons ago. Thank goodness for the ladies. Oh, and you need to register DrmiesJr now, for his future. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 18:28, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Congratulations! He's really cute. :) Keilana|Parlez ici 18:56, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Congrats! Awwwwwwwww, I remember when he was just a blueberry.... MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 19:38, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
As I told Khazar recently: the best news, precious new life! What's ArbCom? Nothing that really matters, in the light of this peaceful face. Hug mother and son please, softly, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:35, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Awwwwww. Congrats! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Montanabw (talk • contribs) 20:45, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sweet. --Orlady (talk) 20:53, 17 August 2012 (UTC) [reply]

(edit conflict) WOW ... Absolutely beautiful Drmies ... good job. Congrats. — ChedZILLA 20:55, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Congratulations, Drmies! Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 21:17, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Heaps of congrats from me as well. The things you youngsters get up to! --RexxS (talk) 21:45, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Many Many Congratulations to you the Missus. A real cutie. Should we be expecting his first edits within the next couple weeks? :-) MarnetteD | Talk 21:47, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Congratulations! All the very best wishes, it's the best...Modernist (talk) 21:53, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Congrats Doc. He couldn't ask for a better father. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 22:15, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Support Nobody Ent 22:53, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you all--it is really wonderful to see all these nice messages from these nice people, many of whom I have spent a great deal of time with in the last couple of years, and from many of whom I have learned a lot, and with many of whom I've written cool things. Little Liam and his mother are doing well; apparently the boy nurses like a vacuum cleaner, haha. The girls will get to sleep in mama's bed tonight cause they miss her terribly, and the youngest sings made-up songs about (you guessed it) pooping in diapers. On a side note, some of you may not know what meconium is: the stickiest substance to ever come out of the human body, and I cleaned up a huge heap of it. Kiefer mentions happiness and sleep deprivation; it's a powerful combination. (Hang in there Kiefer--when it's over you'll miss it.) Those of you who have children will know this overwhelming gulf of emotion that can wipe even the toughest admin (ahem) off the mat. If you don't, it's worth it. Alright, back to Mongolian shamanism, everybody. Thanks again for all the notes you all left me; I'll keep you in mind when I need a babysitter. Drmies (talk) 02:18, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

File:Teddy bear.JPG
Teddy bear for the baby :) --DBigXray 07:50, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Huggable spotted Tiktaalik plushy for the baby, from a well-wisher

Why is this coming out in small text? Electric Catfish 20:50, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
A span style was making the text small. Ryan Vesey 20:52, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

DYK nomination of Henrik Vibskov

Hello! Your submission of Henrik Vibskov at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Maile66 (talk) 14:34, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

--Need a QPQ review for nomination. Everything else is fine. Maile66 (talk) 14:34, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I apologize for this. I missed seeing the QPQ. Maile66 (talk) 20:33, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No apology necessary, Maile66--thanks for the review, I'm glad someone picked it up. Drmies (talk) 20:46, 18 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Celtic supporters

Hi drmies. Do you think you could look at Celtic F.C. supporters if you have time. Thank you 220.255.1.162 (talk) 16:16, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Well, I did look at it, and I don't have much to say. I noticed a steamy talk page discussion, which I'm not so interested in, and the article had a rather silly section about some Norwegian fans. Sorry, but as I get older I get less and less of an urge to help the irredeemable; if this mess is contained to this article I'm fine with it. With my apologies. Drmies (talk) 14:12, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations

Diapers!
I have a feeling you're going to need these....all of these for your new family member :) Congratulations!! SarahStierch (talk) 20:46, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If this is your first, you have no idea what you are in for. To be honest, try to enjoy this time. They grow up faster than you can believe. Happily my two oldest are married and out of the house. :-D Congrats! --Defensor Ursa 05:20, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Many congrats from me, too. My oldest is just getting to the teenager stage, and you can imagine what that entails, but they are all awesome. I'm sure yours will be too. :) Seraphimblade Talk to me 05:27, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Ha, I'll take that optimistic note and file it somewhere safe. Ours are nicely spaced--0, 3, and 6--and it's fun to see them interact. The girls love their new baby brother and I hope they don't break him. Drmies (talk) 14:17, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Pony!
If I could ship one in the mail, this would be heading your way! :) Congratulations!! Montanabw(talk) 22:36, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A Teddy Bear For Your Baby!

File:Teddy bear 27.jpg A Teddy Bear!
Congratulations! Electric Catfish 20:53, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sockpuppetry, moi?

I think it's amusing this is happening on the anniversary of Trotsky's assassination. Talk about overzealousness, although it will be nice to see the egg on this individual's face once the accusations are thoroughly disproved. - Biruitorul Talk 14:58, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sidewalk Cafe/Café

Evening Drmies. I'd flagged Sidewalk Café for deletion on the basis that the author considered it a genuine mistake on his/her part, especially in blanking it and stating as much on their talk page. I've also fixed their userspace after they mistakenly tagged it for deletion; I assume the vandalism warning was also a mistake? Cheers, Mephistophelian (talk) 18:10, 20 August 2012 (UTC).[reply]

That's fine. Best, Mephistophelian (talk) 18:23, 20 August 2012 (UTC).[reply]

DYK for Henrik Vibskov

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:02, 21 August 2012 (UTC) [reply]

Note

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Monkeymanman (talk) 08:08, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads up, I'm back for 3 days then off again from Thursday night until Monday sometime. I'll monitor until then. Thanks, GiantSnowman 14:26, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I appreciate it. Drmies (talk) 14:27, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Tamsier

See Talk:Saafi people#Deleted material on Serer Symbols and User talk:Eladynnus#Raampa. Dougweller (talk) 15:16, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Watchlist feedback

Have you had a look? My personal favorite. I am sure Baby Mies (talk · contribs) will be able to help with it. --kelapstick(bainuu) 01:12, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • I think it is a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation. On one hand it is a very good idea to get feedback on what other think about articles. On the hand, when dealing with the general public, especially anonymous public, you are going crap, err, poo. There is no way around it. Like Mandarax, I don't have "popular" articles in my watchlist and I have gotten good constructive criticism. I'd hate to have Obama and Romney in my watchlist. I think WMF spent to much time on the design on AFT and not enough on what to do with the crap. Personally, I'd like to see the AFT comments be deleted after a certain amount of time. This week's Signpost op-ed by MZBcBride is a good read on the subject. Bgwhite (talk) 22:15, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No surprise here

[1] and the talk page. Dougweller (talk) 15:43, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Colorful but what is it?

User:Dogman40.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:54, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Invitation/Asking your contribution

Heated discussion on the renaming of this article. Maybe the article is not very interesting in itself but there is quite an example of a debate on the principle of naming conventions on its talk page. Everybody most welcome. --E4024 (talk) 12:19, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I see that there was a forest fire in "Tenedos" in 1874... Thanks for your reply. --E4024 (talk) 14:55, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, the town was destroyed. The Governor of Tenedos reported on Turkish battleships being destroyed in 1912, Turkish prisoners reported on heavy Turkish losses in 1915, there were naval engagements between Greeks and Turks near Tenedos in 1913, a hill on Tenedos offered a spectacular view of naval warfare in 1915, a German plane flew over Tenedos in March 1915, Patriarch Demetrios I of Constantinople was "Archbishop of Imbros and Tenedos" just before he was elected patriarch in 1972, et cetera. Drmies (talk) 15:09, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

better than you?

Well, we'll never know. I guess the ones of you didn't meet your standards for a userpage portrait? Congrats on the boy, though!!!!!!! I wonder how long that will stick at the top. Did you engineer that placement?--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 18:18, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Nope, one of the kind souls who frequent this talk page did. Yeah, I didn't put any portraits up on my own user page: my dazzling beauty would distract too many people from the high quality of my edits. Also, I'm afraid that the increased traffic (to a pretty big page) would cause the servers to overload. Hey, after four days he was back at birth weight plus one ounce. A giant among babies! Drmies (talk) 18:33, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

List of Twitter users in India

Just what you wanted huh?♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:36, 23 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Serer

See my edits at Serer people. I also moved "States headed by ancient Serer Lamanes" to "States headed by Serer Lamanes". If the Serer originated in an 11 century split from a group that had converted to Islam, and "may have been Pulaar-speaking herders when they left the Fuuta" we have a real problem. In any case, this view must be represented. I've ordered [2] from Amazon. This whole emphasis on 'ancient' is pov. I'm supposed to be asleep, so no more right now. Dougweller (talk) 03:13, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline of Serer history is probably the trickiest, as it assumes Gravrand's analysis (if it's reported correctly) is correct. And, for instance, if you look at 800 AD : The Serer State of Sanghāna, the source is reported correctly Trimingham has that in a timeline. But the original source for anything called Sanghana is al-Bakri, who wrote that it is "une grande ville sise sur les deux rives du fleuve grouillante et florissante et dont les terres" which seems to be a quote and explains other references to it as a town. Somewhere along the line after al=Bakri it became referred to as a country, and how it got called Seerer I don't know but there can't be solid evidence for that. I just don't know how to rewrite the Timeline in a way that respects the sources and is NPOV. Dougweller (talk) 05:47, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

LOL

Cursing my own mistake mostly, I should have rechecked it but I kept having people edit so fast and having to copy/paste things back in to the Edit Conflict screens that I missed two of the bracket sets to make the links paste small rather than super long. Thanks for the laugh, though! :D

DYK for Kalervo Kurkiala

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 24 August 2012 (UTC) [reply]

Kingdom of Sine and sources request

The French and English articles on the Kingdom of Sine say it was renamed and existed before the 14th century under some other name. The German version says "Before 1400 Maisa Wali Jon fled Kaabu and founded Sine. His descendants formed the Guelwar dynasty." Sources for the renaming claim are a and b Alioune Sarr, History of the Sine-Saloum (Senegal). Introduction, bibliography and notes by Charles Becker. Slightly modified version compared to that published in 1986-87. pp 19-22 and Sarr, Alioune , History of the Sine-Saloum , Introduction, Notes and Bibliography by Charles Becker, BIFAN , Volume 46, Series B, No. 3-4, 1986-1987. pp 21-22

On the other hand, I find "kingdom of Sine. One of three Serer kingdoms to emerge between the fourteenth and the sixteenth centuries, Sine survived as an independent state in various permutations until the colonial conquest.22 " - and that's sourced to Gravrand! the footnote says "22 Gravrand, La Civilisation Sereer: Cosaan, 55, lists these kingdoms and their periods of origin. One of the two other kingdoms, Djonik, disappeared early, while the third, Saloum, lasted along with Sine into the colonial period."

So this is a bit of a mess and we need to see what the source actually says.

If you can get them, I could use http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/1581646?uid=3738032&uid=2&uid=4&sid=21101147403501 and http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/1771690?uid=3738032&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&sid=21101147403501 - thanks. Dougweller (talk) 08:19, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not yet. Dougweller (talk) 20:44, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for IBT Labs

I missed the discussion on this DYK by a few hours, but still wanted to drop by and say thanks for the reminder. ¦;-)   — C M B J   08:57, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

help requested

Can you take a look at User talk:EMEONE and Concealed carry in the United States I am trying to help the guy, but I am somewhat out of my depth regarding the interaction of policies, and want to make sure I am not overstepping and set the guy in the right direction. Thanks. Gaijin42 (talk) 15:45, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A similar issue (from the same editor) is at Golden_hour_(medicine) where he added a large section using himself as a source. Its not quite WP:OR since he quoting himself from a book, but it doesn't smell right to me. I dont want to WP:BITE him too hard though. Gaijin42 (talk) 16:20, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I commented on the user talk page. Bite or not, I think the section should be removed from the latter article as well--but it begs the question of what to do with the rest of the (mostly unverified) information. That's always the problem with bad articles... BTW, quoting yourself from a book that's not published by a reputable publishing company does constitute OR. Drmies (talk) 18:13, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
If you are refering to my last edit where I struck the OR link, I did say "otherwise reliable" at the end to try and cover that, but what I had originally said was in conflict with Wikipedia:Expert_editors #2 in warnings. Ill take the content out of golden hour, I don't know what else to do with it either. Thanks for the second opinion. Gaijin42 (talk) 18:19, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reading suggestion

I recently read "Fear of a Black President", by Ta-Nehisi Coates in The Atlantic. I thought it was well-written and thought-provoking (although a small part of me thinks that when a writer uses "semaphore" as a verb, he's trying too hard). Anyhow, a lot of the piece deals with the Trayvon Martin case, and reminded me of this conversation we had on the subject a while ago. The piece makes what I thought were some very insightful points - for example, the idea that racism isn't a "simplistic hatred", but rather "broad sympathy toward some and broader skepticism toward others" - which I thought were applicable specifically to a lot of the discussion at Talk:Shooting of Trayvon Martin. Anyhow, thought you might enjoy reading it - you know, in your copious free time. Cheers. MastCell Talk 18:01, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks--I remember that conversation well. Fortunately The Atlantic is not stingy and I printed the article so I have something to do over the weekend, besides everything else. Have a great weekend. Drmies (talk) 18:25, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

DYK

I don't think I'm going to have Dayisun Tngri long enough for DYK in time (it may have already passed even), but maybe it could be thrown in one of the other Mongolian shamanism hooks, not as a bolded article, but just as one of the blue links. Feel free to do so or not as you like. LadyofShalott 19:58, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hmmm... sounded like the same thing to me, but I freely admit it's not an area I know that much about. By all means, take that redirect and turn it into an article (at least a stub) if the redirect is truly inaccurate. LadyofShalott 22:31, 24 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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