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Cannonball in Milwaukee, 1966 ... that despite being an ordinary commuter train, the Cannonball (pictured) was known for its Friday-night parties? ... that Jeya Wilson invited New Zealand prime minister David Lange to debate the moral indefensibility of nuclear weapons at the Oxford Union? ... that the music producer of Barney & Friends considered it ludicrous that its theme song was used in torture at Guantanamo Bay? ... that the Xinwen Bao was first published during the Lunar New Year to take advantage of its competitors being on hiatus? ... that psychologist Sonya Friedman recommends that women create a totem, a collection of objects that represent important turning points in their lives? ... that the FCC canceled a permit to build a Florida TV station, finding that "the most prominent facility completed within the studio building appears to be a toilet"? ... that a renovation of 240 Centre Street was delayed by several months because a street map was incorrect? ... that with the exception of one day in 1941, the Kaunas Carillon stopped playing music for sixteen years due to the Soviet and German occupations of Lithuania?

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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on September 20

• ... that Michael P.C. Carns, who was the Vice Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force from 1991–94, received numerous military awards and decorations such as the Silver Star? new article by AdjustShift (talk) 20:15, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ...that Theresa Elmendorf was the first woman president of the American Library Association? new article, self nominated by --Doug Coldwell ^talk 19:57, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that when Haydn Tanner and Willie Davies orchestrated Swansea rugby club's defeat of the touring All Blacks they were both still schoolboys? (selfnom), new article. FruitMonkey (talk) 19:45, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ...that small modelli of works of art were produced for patrons to approve (example pictured)?

• ... that the uniform of the Union Army during the United States Civil War was influenced hugely by the French army, to an extent where some regiments wore zouave uniforms? Article by LGF1992UK (talk · contribs), self nom, created today

• ... that the coastal trevally is frequently known under an incorrect Latin name because its original publications had a typo? Article by Kare Kare (talk · contribs), nom by Circeus (talk) 16:09, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
• ... that the Duke of Connaught, son of Queen Victoria, laid the foundation stone in 1888 for the Fateh Sagar Lake in Udaipur? x5 expansion by --Nvvchar (talk) 12:53, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

wikified and shortened with tweaks by Victuallers (talk) 15:43, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Kobe Bryant holds the record for the youngest basketball player to score 20,000 points in the National Basketball Association? -- K. Annoyomous24_[c] 07:00, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Not established or increased in size 5x within last five days; article is a list split off from main article. Kablammo (talk) 08:58, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that "All the Way" by Eddie Vedder is a song about the Chicago Cubs written at the request of Ernie Banks?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:31, 20 September 2008 (UTC) and User:-5-

All OK. Kablammo (talk) 09:04, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that British canoeist David Florence failed with an application to join the European Space Agency's astronaut training program before winning a silver medal at the 2008 Summer Olympics? -- fivefold expansion by (selfnom) Basement12 (T.C) 02:42, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

All OK. Kablammo (talk) 09:10, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Arthur Raikes was a British army officer but received honours from Zanzibar, Austria and Portugal?

• or ... that Arthur Raikes served as Commander of the Army, Vizier and First Minister to Zanzibar? - New article, self nom - Dumelow (talk) 12:57, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 19

• ... that the Idangai or left-hand is the name of a faction of six castes which existed in Tamil society in ancient times?-self-nom by-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 19:45, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Ageratina adenophora (pictured), a plant native to Mexico which has invaded Australia, India and the United States, causes respiratory failure called "blowing disease" in horses? ...Casliber (talk · contribs), Xx773377 (talk · contribs) and IceCreamAntisocial (talk · contribs)

• ... that the Vihar Lake, largest in Mumbai, to meet the urgent drinking water needs, was built in 1860 when John Lord Elphinstone was the Governor.--Nvvchar (talk) 12:50, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
  • • ... that in 1860, when John, Lord Elphinstone was Governor of Madras, the Vihar Lake, largest in Mumbai, was built to meet the urgent drinking-water needs.
      • ... that Vihar Lake, the largest in Mumbai, was built in 1860 when John, Lord Elphinstone was Governor of Madras, to meet urgent drinking-water needs? Art LaPella (talk) 19:00, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Orson Welles’ 1968 film The Immortal Story played in the U.S. as a double feature with Luis Buñuel's Simon of the Desert? (self-nom, 5x expansion) Ecoleetage (talk) 23:16, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that thermal imaging cameras are so useful in a structure fire that NIOSH tracks the lack of a functioning camera as a contributing factor in firefighter fatalities?
  • Alternate hook:
  • ... that the Los Angeles Times called the thermal imaging camera "[p]erhaps the best advance in fire equipment in the last 25 years–and the most expensive"? --Article expanded from redirect, self nom by Jclemens (talk) 22:26, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the first library catalog was the Pinakes developed by the first bibliographer Callimachus of Cyrene at the Library of Alexandria? new article, self nominated by --Doug Coldwell ^talk 22:11, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Shea Ohmsford is the protagonist of Terry Brooks' 1977 epic fantasy novel The Sword of Shannara? self-nom/expanded five-fold by ^-talk- the_ed17 ^-contribs- 21:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in the fictional 1977 novel The Sword of Shannara, Shea Ohmsford is the only descendant of Jerle Shannara left in the Four Lands, and therefore the only one left who can use the Sword of Shannara? self-nom/expanded five-fold by ^-talk- the_ed17 ^-contribs- 21:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in Norse mythology, Hjúki and Bil have been theorized as personifying the waxing and waning moon and, due to similarities, as connected to the nursery rhyme "Jack and Jill"? Self-nomination. :bloodofox: (talk) 16:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Hurricane Michelle, a storm which took place in the 2001 Atlantic hurricane season, caused numerous deaths and large-scale damage in Jamaica, Cuba, Honduras, and Nicaragua? new article by User:Juliancolton, nominated by AdjustShift (talk) 16:19, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that British swimmer Matt Walker has won eight silver and bronze Paralympic medals in individual events, but all three of his gold medals have come in the 4×100 m freestyle relay? new article by (selfnom) Basement12 (T.C) 15:25, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

1950 characters. Created September 19. The medal count is confirmed via the Manchester Evening News and the Paralympic Medal Record. ~ User:Ameliorate! ^{(with the !) (talk)} 16:19, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Jack Hillman was responsible for the earliest recorded case of match fixing in football? (self-nom, new article) Oldelpaso (talk) 12:05, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

2298 characters. Created September 19. Times Online confirms the hook. ~ User:Ameliorate! ^{(with the !) (talk)} 16:23, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that India and China are the only countries still producing and exporting DDT? -- new article by User:Yilloslime; nom by Bruce1ee^talk 10:11, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Ineligible split. Most of the content of this new article, which is DDT (molecule), previously appeared (and remains) at DDT, an older article. Kablammo (talk) 12:01, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't see that. --Bruce1ee^talk 13:08, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Azúcar Moreno's song "Bandido" caused a stir at the 1990 Eurovision Song Contest when one of the backing tracks malfunctioned, causing the singers to storm offstage? Mike H. Fierce! 07:16, 19 September 2008 (UTC) (self-nom)

2220 characters (including 'intro'). Created August 17 as a redirect and expanded September 19. BBC confirms the hook. However, it would be nice to see the article formatted into sections if possible. I have taken into consideration that normally an intro would excluded in the character count, but even with this consideration it is still well over the minimum. ~ User:Ameliorate! ^{(with the !) (talk)} 16:39, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Article is now sectioned. Mike H. Fierce! 17:07, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in the 1960s, Toby Philpott, who controlled the "Hutt puppet" in Return of the Jedi, became involved with a youth movement that rose with the end of the British Empire? Article by Hunter Kahn, nom by --Gwib (talk) 05:27, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
  • ALT ... that Toby Philpott learned stage management and other "techie stuff" at the Melkweg music venue and cultural center in Amsterdam?Article by Hunter Kahn, nom by --Gwib (talk) 05:27, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that when a mutiny broke out in the absence of the Tang Dynasty general Cui Ning, his concubine Lady Ren used her wealth to gather soldiers, allowing the mutiny to be suppressed? (self-nomination) --Nlu (talk) 02:42, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Length ok. Suggest wikilinking mutiny and concubine in hook and in article. Ref 1 in article appears garbled. doncram (talk) 07:00, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Admiral Sir Joseph Sydney Yorke (pictured) drowned when the boat he was returning to shore in capsized? - new article, self nom, Benea (talk) 23:41, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Length, date, hook's ref verified. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:13, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 18

• ... that in the final game of the 1926–27 Boston Bruins season, Billy Coutu's attack on a referee caused him to be the first player banned from the National Hockey League for life? -- new article and self-nom by  RGTraynor  17:02, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Length and date are fine, offline source accepted on good faith – Ikara ^talk → 20:40, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

The coat of arms of the city of Paris

• ... that in 1817, the previously banned coat of arms of Paris was restored to its traditional form? -- new article and self-nom by Jordan ^Contribs 14:58, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Offline hook and print only sources accepted on good faith. --Poeticbent talk 16:40, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

USS West Grama (ID-3794) underway in 1919

• ... that American cargo ship MS West Grama (pictured), while in the service of the U.S. Navy in 1919, was the first American-flagged ship to enter Bulgarian waters? -- new article self-nom by Bellhalla (talk) 14:22, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Date and size OK, print reference accepted on good faith. Kablammo (talk) 14:39, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Children of the Warsaw Ghetto

Children of the Warsaw Ghetto

• ... that Jerzy Latoszyński's family harbored one of many Jewish children of the Warsaw Ghetto (pictured) during the Nazi occupation of Poland? -- New article, self-nom by Poeticbent talk 01:52, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

This article is new, large enough, and covers a worthy subject. It however needs an inline cite (even to a foreign language source, which would be accepted in good faith). Perhaps both spouses should be mentioned in the hook. Kablammo (talk) 01:59, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps this alternative:

• …that Jerzy and Eugenia Latoszyński have been named Righteous Among the Nations for harboring one of many Jewish children of the Warsaw Ghetto (pictured) during the Nazi occupation of Poland?

Kablammo (talk) 02:10, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I like that alternate hook. Inline citations already added. --Poeticbent talk 02:39, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

As above, Polish inline cite added; accepted in good faith. Kablammo (talk) 06:17, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Bibliotheca universalis was the first modern bibliography of importance done by the "father of bibliography", Conrad Gesner? new article, self nominated by --Doug Coldwell ^talk 22:36, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Length and date verified. Off-line sources accepted in good faith.Cbl62 (talk) 06:20, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that there were several allegations of cheating during the 1994 Formula One season? New article created by me. --D.M.N. (talk) 20:08, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Bristol Virginia Utilities is a leader in technology with its fiber-optic broadband network? New article by Zopheus, nomination by --Gwib (talk) 19:22, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
  • ALT ... that Bristol Virginia Utilities has approximately 577 miles of distribution lines and 29 miles of transmission lines in their electric system? New article by Zopheus, nomination by --Gwib (talk) 19:22, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
    • ALT ... that a system known as Passive Optical Network (PON) was successfully deployed to over 6000 customers in a matter of two years by Bristol Virginia Utilities? New article by Zopheus, nomination by --Gwib (talk) 19:22, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Patrick Tyler's book, A Great Wall: Six Presidents and China, won both the Lionel Gelber Prize and the New York Public Library's Helen Bernstein Book Award in 2000? -- new article, self nom by Protonk (talk) 19:03, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

- Date, length and reference verified. Cbl62 (talk) 14:03, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that before her election to the New York State Senate, Carol Berman was a leader in the ultimately unsuccessful effort to prevent the Concorde from landing at Kennedy Airport in New York City? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 18:36, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that to avoid concerns over quality, drum and bass producer Rob Swire of Pendulum mocked up demos for the album In Silico using Commodore 64 and Nintendo emulators? -- new article self-nom by – Ikara ^talk → 17:52, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• ALT1... that the producers of Hindi espionage thriller film Mukhbiir offered a money back offer for those who did not like the film? -- New article by Mspraveen (talk) 15:54, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

ALT2... that in preparation for his character in Hindi espionage thriller film Mukhbiir, actor Sameer Dattani spent a night in prison? Mspraveen (talk) 15:54, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

ALT3... that Indian film director Mani Shankar claimed to have a "pre-release profit" for Hindi film Mukhbiir due to intelligent budgeting? Mspraveen (talk) 15:54, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the spectators killed in Alex Fiorio's crash at the 1989 Monte Carlo Rally were fellow rally drivers Lars-Erik Torph and his co-driver? -- new articles, self-nom by Prolog (talk) 15:09, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

List of fatal World Rally Championship accidents = 2115. Alex Fiorio = 3376. Lars-Erik Torph = 2979. Ref cited in Alex Fiorio (Chicago Sun-Times) checks out. ~ User:Ameliorate! ^{(with the !) (talk)} 15:29, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that, since 2002, the Community design has provided Europe-wide protection for designs more simply and cheaply than the previous country-by-country approach? -- new article self-nom by GDallimore (Talk) 15:02, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

1795 characters. Hook is cited and the ref confirms that it is cheaper. However, neither the article or the reference assert that it is "easier", only cheaper, so if "and cheaply" is removed from the hook it's good to go. ~ User:Ameliorate! ^{(with the !) (talk)} 15:18, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I wondered about that, but thought it was self-evident (one process gives the whole of Europe!). Nevertheless, have added fact to article with suitable reference. Changed "easily" to "simply" to mimic wording in that reference (see final paragraph of second page). GDallimore (Talk) 15:40, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that The Viral Factory created a viral video which supposedly proved the moon landings never happened caused 3.000 people to call the NASA to complain about their dishonesty? -- New article by User:Cr3; Nom by Excirial ^{(Talk,Contribs)} 14:45, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• Note: I know this article is older then 5 days, but seeing its a good quality article single-handedly created as a first contribution by a new user, i hope that this can be overlooked (With the excuse that the article has a few initial NPOV issues that were solved yesterday and that the article had been orphaned for most of its lifetime). Excirial ^{(Talk,Contribs)} 14:45, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry. The article must have been created or expanded in the last 5 days. If an exception was made here, then an exception would have to made every time. The alternative option is to expand it five times, or to get it up to WP:GA status and nom it there. ~ User:Ameliorate! ^{(with the !) (talk)} 15:07, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that rock band The Waxwings took their name from a poem in Vladimir Nabokov's novel Pale Fire? -- new article by User:Ericaviolet; nom by Bruce1ee^talk 13:06, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

3332 characters of main-article prose (quotes ignored). Hook is cited and ref checks out. ~ User:Ameliorate! ^{(with the !) (talk)} 14:21, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that survivors of the Loch Sloy disaster who made it ashore to Kangaroo Island, were eventually found with the remains of two dead penguins tied around their neck? (new article - self nom) Spy007au (talk) 12:05, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

3347 characters. Hook is cited and both refs check out. ~ User:Ameliorate! ^{(with the !) (talk)} 14:25, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the protagonist in the television series Veronica Mars was originally written as a male by series creator Rob Thomas? -- For simplicity's sake, here is the revision before, and here is the revision expanded fivefold -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 05:14, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

The first revision you link has 7302 characters (once the lists etc. are trimmed out). The second revision has 22840 = 3.13x expansion. I think you've counted the intro in the expansion? Furthermore, the article had 22575 characters until you cleaned it up (unwritten rule A3 applies). Sorry, but no DYK here, try over here though ;) ~ User:Ameliorate! ^{(with the !) (talk)} 14:49, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Lol, sorry. I thought that I could get away with it, but I guess we have some very cunning DYK users around here... Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 01:35, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the 1993 Independence Bowl was the first game in which a blocked field goal was returned for a touchdown by a Virginia Tech football player? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by JKBrooks85 (talk) 03:39, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Expanded from 1254 - 15779 characters = 12x expansion. Unfortunately, I don't happen to have a 1994 edition of the The Roanoke Times handy, so offline ref accepted in good faith. ~ User:Ameliorate! ^{(with the !) (talk)} 15:00, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that around 100 people choke to death on ballpoint pens every year? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cc1994 (talk • contribs) 12:11, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Your hook needs to reference a newly created/expanded article. --Bruce1ee^talk 12:35, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Jökulhlaups (glacial bursts) from Oregon's White River Glacier on Mount Hood have washed out an important highway more than six times since 1926? (new article) —EncMstr (talk) 18:15, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Length and "newness" are fine, but the source does not characterize the importance of the highway, it was actually the bridge that washed out, and it was 6x, not "more than" 6x, per the source. Kablammo (talk) 18:34, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Jökulhlaups (glacial bursts) from Oregon's White River Glacier on Mount Hood have washed out a highway six times since 1926? (to match the cite) —EncMstr (talk) 19:07, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

All good. Kablammo (talk) 19:44, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 17

• ... that Hurricane Bud, which was formed in the eastern Pacific on July 10, 2006, reached its height of intensity on July 12 and July 13, becoming a Category 3 hurricane at its peak? new article by User:JamieS93, nominated by AdjustShift (talk) 15:24, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Pakistan Cricket Board accused Cricket Australia of double-standards when the latter expressed its willingness to tour India even while cancelling its tour to Pakistan earlier this year?-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 04:14, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that rise and fall of the Prussian estates was tied to the rise and fall of the Polish state? --self-nom by _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 22:31, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the parish church at Penterry (pictured) stands isolated in a field near Chepstow in Wales, with a nearby plague pit thought to hold the remains of many villagers who perished in the Black Death? (self-nom) Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:02, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that David Koon is a New York State Assemblymember who has pushed for full funding for E911, a system of automatically locating those who've called 911, after his daughter was abducted and brutally murdered in 1993? (two-year-old stub, expanded; self-nom)--HughGRex (talk) 09:15, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Alfred Rosenheim

• ... that when some referred to architect Alfred Rosenheim's (pictured) last major commission as "modern," he expressed doubt whether modern architecture could even "strictly be regarded as architecture"? new article, self nom. Cbl62 (talk) 06:41, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Length, date verified. Hook's ref not available online but accepted IAW WP:AGF. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:18, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... Kitigan Zibi, a First Nations Reserve in the Outaouais region of Quebec, is the largest Algonquin Nation in Canada, in both area and population? -- P199 (talk) 16:11, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• All good. Kablammo (talk) 16:41, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

The One Fathom Bank Lighthouses

• ... that the old and new One Fathom Bank Lighthouses in Malaysia (pictured) are situated an estimated 500 meters apart from each other? - Two hundred percent (talk) 07:27, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Length, date, hook's ref verif. --Rosiestep (talk) 02:53, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that due to Hurricane Fabio's outflow affecting it, Tropical Storm Emilia was prohibited from strengthening, in addition to strong shear? Hello32020 (talk) 01:06, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• ALT... that strong shear and outflow from Hurricane Fabio prevented Tropical Storm Emilia from strengthening? Art LaPella (talk) 02:19, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• Just a comment, nearly every storm is affected by wind shear, so that is quite a boring fact. –Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 19:42, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the first mail chute was installed in the Elwood Building in Rochester, New York, in 1884? new article, self nominated by --Doug Coldwell ^talk 00:04, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• Date, size, cite good. Kablammo (talk) 16:44, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that four months after the one-time-only U.S. airing of the 1991 Disney television pilot Acting Sheriff, Disney sold ZEBRA bonds that promised to pay a 20% return if Acting Sheriff were syndicated? -- Article expanded fivefold by Zanimum and -- Suntag ☼ 22:50, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I Want to Go Back to Michigan

• ... that Irving Berlin composed the song "I Want to Go Back to Michigan" more than 30 years before Judy Garland performed it for the 1948 film Easter Parade? (self-nom) Durova^Charge! 20:31, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Length, date and reference verified. Nice hook and the sound element would be a cool feature for the Main Page. It would be good to introduce the kids (and the grown-ups) to one of the best-selling songs from the early days of sound recording. If the sound element is used, should we add (listen here) or some such verbiage after the song title? Cbl62 (talk) 06:50, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

If you like make any changes you think are appropriate; I copied the format used by Shoemaker's Holiday in his recent music DYK. Seems like a pleasant change of pace. Best, Durova^Charge! 23:34, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the lattice phase equaliser was invented by Otto Zobel, better known for his work on constant resistance networks to equalise amplitude? new article (was redirect), self-nom by SpinningSpark 19:54, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that despite a $900,000 budget, finances on the 1993 film Amongst Friends were so tight that the contents of a bag of Doritos opened in the movie were replaced by yellow cardboard triangles? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 18:39, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Length, date and ref. verified. Nice hook! Olaf Davis | Talk 16:57, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Porsche PFM 3200 (pictured) was a version of the Porsche 911's air-cooled engine built for the general aviation market? Maury (talk) 18:19, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Kamio Mitsuomi

• ... that Kamio Mitsuomi (pictured), an Imperial Japanese Army general, was in command of Allied ground forces at the Battle of Tsingtao in World War I? <self-nom>--MChew (talk) 15:44, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

The FA Cup trophy awarded from 1896–1910

• ... that victory in the 1904 FA Cup Final (trophy pictured) gave Manchester City F.C. their first major honour? (self-nom, expansion) Oldelpaso (talk) 15:03, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Suggest "first major title" instead of "first major honour". --74.13.131.192 (talk) 15:44, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

In football circles, "the title" refers to the league championship. I considered putting "trophy", but was put off by "trophy" already being used to refer to the picture. Oldelpaso (talk) 16:53, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

• The hook reads fine but the reference is not directly after either of the two sentences in the article that it comes from. Perhaps that is being picky though. --Candlewicke (Talk) 21:30, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Tang Dynasty general Duan Xiushi died after an unsuccessful attempt to assassinate Zhu Ci, who was planning to displace Emperor Dezong of Tang as emperor? (expansion, self-nomination) --Nlu (talk) 13:41, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the first airplane flight in Norwegian history was performed by Carl Cederström at Etterstad in Oslo in 1910? —self-nom Arsenikk ^(talk) 13:02, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Length and date OK and this fact is referenced (but no others). Do try and add to this, but OK. Victuallers (talk) 15:12, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Louis Réard, who invented the bikini in 1946, chose Micheline Bernardini, a nude dancer, to model the first modern-day bikini on July 5, 1946 at Piscine Molitor in Paris? new article by AdjustShift (talk) 08:46, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

- fine, but shorten the hook, suggest ... that Louis Réard chose a nude dancer to model the first bikini in 1946? (They can read the article to find out the precise date, that there were ones in Roman times etc.) Victuallers (talk) 15:20, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Bikini was "officially introduced" on July 5, 1946. So the date is important. AdjustShift (talk) 13:49, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that as captain of the cruiser Pittsburgh, future four-star admiral John E. Gingrich managed to sail his ship 900 miles to safety after a typhoon tore off its bow? (new article, self-nom) - Morinao (talk) 08:03, 17 September 2008 (UTC)<
  • Beautiful, but this article has been here since 2004, and it hasn't been expanded 5-fold...sorry. ^-talk- the_ed17 ^-contribs- 18:16, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
    • Beg pardon? I created that article from scratch last night. - Morinao (talk) 21:38, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
      • Just to clarify, the hook is for John E. Gingrich, not USS Pittsburgh (CA-72). - Morinao (talk) 21:48, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
        • On occasion, I am an idiot. This is one of those times. So I looked at the history for Pittsburgh, not Gingrich...please accept my apoligies. =/ ^-talk- the_ed17 ^-contribs- 21:50, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
          • Yep, I just noticed my error. Sorry... ^-talk- the_ed17 ^-contribs- 21:50, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
            • Thanks, I just realized I left my fingerprints on both articles last night, so perfectly understandable. -Morinao (talk) 22:00, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

• Size, date, ref good. You may want to use km conversion template in hook. Kablammo (talk) 16:48, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that at the beginning of the fictional Second War of the Races (chronicled in First King of Shannara), the Druids were killed because they were too "arrogan[t]" to listen to the warnings of Bremen? expanded 5-fold by ^-talk- the_ed17 ^-contribs- 04:42, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Feel free to play around with the hook if you so desire. ^-talk- the_ed17 ^-contribs- 04:42, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

A note that this is fictional seems essential.--Wetman (talk) 15:28, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Ooo good point. Added! Also, the "chronicled in..." part...does that sound really awkward? If it does, what should be done with it? Cheers, ^-talk- the_ed17 ^-contribs- 18:11, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Sir Thomas Jones was made Chief Justice of the Common Pleas as a reward for his severity in sentencing, and then removed three years later for not being severe enough? New article, self-nom, 2300-odd chars. Dont worry y'all, i'll be done with the CJCP articles soon enough. Only 10 more to go and you'll never have to see them around here again :). Ironholds 00:47, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

it might be me (again?) but my reading says he was severe and thats how he got the job but he lost his job because "he found himself unable to comply with the king's wish to enforce the royal prerogative of dispensation". Maybe I missed a bit. Victuallers (talk) 14:26, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Yup; he went along with the king's speedy lets-prosecute-popish-plot-members-severely-regardless-of-common-law (we're talking executing a key witness in another case just because he was found to be involved in the "plot") but eventually found himself unable to eke out such a brand of justice. The royal prerogative of dispensation would be "here are the common laws that are meant to apply to everyone, but for situation X i'm going to waive some of them and slap on a quicky death sentence". Ironholds 20:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Just realised I didn't explain that very well in terms of how it relates to the hook. As a reward for accepting the severe prosecution on the London corporation case he was made CJOTCOCP; as a result of later feeling he was unable to eke out such justice per the prerogative, he was removed. Ironholds 21:30, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Holler House is a century-old tavern that has the oldest bowling alley in America? (new article, self nom) — Rlevse • Talk • 00:48, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

All checks out, but consider using "century-old" vice "100-year old". Kablammo (talk) 01:11, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

done. — Rlevse • Talk •

• ... that the 1935 short subject Alibi Bye Bye was the last film appearance of the comedy team of Bobby Clark and Paul McCullough? (self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 02:17, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Verified. Ecoleetage strikes again! :) Nice work, RyRy (talk) 03:22, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that U.S. bodybuilding champion Brandon Curry was first interested in weight training when he received a pair of Hulk Hogan-branded dumbbells for his sixth birthday? (self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 02:17, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Verified. -- RyRy (talk) 02:30, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Orson Welles shot the footage for his unfinished film The Dreamers in his Hollywood home? (self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 02:17, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Verified. -- RyRy (talk) 02:32, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Still unfinished ? or was it unfinished at the time?--74.13.131.192 (talk) 15:48, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Dave Clark Five sang London Bridge is Falling Down on Lucille Ball's 1966 TV special Lucy in London? (self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 02:17, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Length, date and hook verified. -- RyRy (talk) 02:42, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Mattatuck Museum Arts and History Center hosts a biennial competition for artists living and/or working in Connecticut? (self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 02:17, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Length, date and hook verified. -- RyRy (talk) 02:39, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the 2001 film Sia, le rêve du python was inspired by a seventh century myth of the Wagadu people of Western Africa? (self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 02:17, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Length and date verified. Assuming good faith that the given reference has the information for this hook nomination in it, as you need to be a subscriber (or something like that) to have full access to the page. Thanks, RyRy (talk) 05:20, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the 1994 film Walls of Sand was the first contemporary feature film to be webcast on the Internet? (self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 02:17, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Length, date and hook verified. Nice to see you back here in DYK. :-) -- RyRy (talk) 02:27, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that agribusiness executive Daron Joffe used to teach horticulture and farming to incarcerated teenagers in the San Francisco area? (self-nom) Ecoleetage (talk) 02:46, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Length, date and hook verified. Thanks for fixing the broken reference I noticed before. -- RyRy (talk) 03:37, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the late 18th-century James "Squire" Patton House in New Windsor, New York, is now a training facility for the city of Newburgh police K-9 unit? Self-nom. Daniel Case (talk) 02:07, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Prussian noble Christian Ludwig von Kalckstein was kidnapped by the order of Frederick William, Elector of Brandenburg, and later tried and executed for treason? --article started by nom, major expansion by User:Olessi, nom by --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 05:07, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 16

Cumberland Market

• ... that the Cumberland Market Group of neo-realism painters founded in 1914 in London's Cumberland Market (pictured) only ever held one exhibition, but was never formally dissolved? -- new article by Colourman; Nom by Ty 18:26, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Ayam

• ... that an ayam (pictured) is a Korean traditional winter cap mostly worn by women in the Joseon period (1392–1910)? (self-nom) Caspian blue (talk) 13:09, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Length, date, hook's ref verified. --Rosiestep (talk) 15:29, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in 2005 Afghan Abdullah Wardak (pictured), a former Mujahideen commander, received the "key to the city" of Evansville, Indiana? Self nom RMHED (talk) 00:41, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

All OK. I put the honor in quotes as some may be unfamiliar with the term. Kablammo (talk) 08:26, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that a Saturday Night Live sketch, A Nonpartisan Message from Governor Sarah Palin & Senator Hillary Clinton, which featured Tina Fey as Sarah Palin and Amy Poehler as Hillary Rodham Clinton was dismissed as "sexist" by Carly Fiorina? -- ^[User]Jamie JCA_[Talk] 22:12, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• Article length, date, and referencing verified. The hook is 234 characters (mainly due to the long article title), however, so it needs to be tightened up a bit in order to stay under the 200 character requirement. Thanks, Jamie^☆S93 17:50, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ALT:... that a Saturday Night Live sketch, featuring Amy Poehler and Tina Fey as Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin respectively, was dismissed by Palin's spokeswoman as "sexist"? -- ^[User]Jamie JCA_[Talk] 19:23, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

3277 characters. Confirmed move from from sandbox to mainspace on September 16. Ref #15 (The Huffington Post confirms the hook). Hook is 168 characters. Good to go. ~ User:Ameliorate! ^{(with the !) (talk)} 11:32, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that a recent live performance of "The Robots" by Kraftwerk was disrupted by a curtain that refused to close? Self-nom, expanded five-fold, --Candlewicke (Talk) 19:21, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Original was 252 characters, expansion is 2575 characters = 10x expansion, expansion began September 16. Reference number 12 (Irish Independent) confirms the hook. Good to go, except does 'curtain' really need to be wikilinked? No big deal though. ~ User:Ameliorate! ^{(with the !) (talk)} 11:32, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

shōjō

• ... that a red-haired sea spirit shōjō (pictured) in Japanese mythology who loves drinking sake is featured in Noh and Kabuki plays? --- expanded by Malkinann and Timothy Perper and nominated by Caspian blue (talk) 00:37, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

  Alt. .. that a Japanese sea spirit named shōjō (pictured) with red hair and a fondness for sake is featured in Noh and Kabuki plays? --Caspian blue (talk) 17:20, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Curtis Woodhouse was a professional boxer whilst still playing professional football for Rushden & Diamonds? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by --Jimbo^[online] 17:21, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that British, Paralympic gold medal winning, swimmers Sascha Kindred and Nyree Lewis are together nicknamed the "golden couple" of disability swimming? -- two new articles both created by (selfnom) Basement12 (T.C) 17:01, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Controlled Demolition, Inc. was recognized with world records for its 1998 demolitions of a 1,200-foot radio tower (tallest structure) and a 33-floor department store (tallest building)? -- new article, self-nom Alansohn (talk) 15:06, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that if Robin Hood had lived at the time of King John then the sheriff at Nottingham was possibly Philip Marc? or
  • ... that King John's sheriff in Nottinghamshire, Philip Marc should have had his bailiwick removed under the terms of the Magna Carta? self nom by Victuallers (talk) 09:47, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Charles Beattie became a British Member of Parliament despite twice losing an election, and lost his seat despite never being voted out? (eight-fold expansion on 16 September) self-nomination by Sam Blacketer (talk) 08:31, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in the Florida Marlins' sixteen seasons, they have had six different pitchers start twice or more on Opening Day? (new article, self-nom) --Mr.crabby (Talk) 00:09, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that St Andrew's Church, Brunswick Town, Hove, designed by Sir Charles Barry, was the first Italianate-style church in England? ~ Another Brighton and Hove church article, self-nominated. N.B. To avoid possible confusion: there are two St Andrew's Churches in Hove, and the other one has already featured on DYK; but they are nothing to do with each other. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 22:23, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

File:Gesner fossil illustration 1551.jpg

• ... that Conrad Gessner's 1551 book Historiae animalium is the first use of fossil illustrations (pictured)? new article, self nomination by --Doug Coldwell ^talk 20:53, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that goalkeeper Peter Litchfield donated the man of the match award from his Football League debut to motor neurone disease in memory of former teammate Mel Holden? -- new article self-nom by Peanut4 (talk) 20:38, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that systems scientist Béla H. Bánáthy founded the White Stag Leadership Development Program 50 years ago which since then has trained an estimated 20,000 youth in specific competencies of leadership?

ALT: ... that systems scientist Béla H. Bánáthy conceived of the idea where conference attendees all contribute papers in advance to every other participant, and the conference time is spent in in-depth, extended, non-hierarchical conversations about the conference papers? -- btphelps (talk) 20:36, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

• This version is a 264 character hook. Art LaPella (talk) 23:31, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

here's another go:

• ... that systems scientist Béla H. Bánáthy conceived of a conference where all attendees present papers, and the conference itself is an-depth, extended, conversation between all participants?-- btphelps (talk) 07:40, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

• .(alt) ... that systems scientist Béla H. Bánáthy's youth leadership program was named White Stag years after hearing it in Baden-Powell's Jamboree speech in Hungary? you would need to add the ref to the article, but it exists Victuallers (talk) 09:09, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Chief Medical Examiner Charles Hirsch, responsible for identifying remains of 9/11 attack victims in New York City, was injured when the North Tower collapsed while setting up a temporary morgue? -- new article, self-nom by Alansohn (talk) 20:24, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Charles Hirsch who became responsible for identifying remains of 9/11 attack victims was injured in the North Tower collapse while creating a temporary morgue? shorter ... (and people know it was in NY) Victuallers (talk) 09:17, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that American cargo ship MS West Honaker was the first diesel-powered ship to circumnavigate the globe? — new article self-nom by Bellhalla (talk) 17:33, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
  • ALT: ... that in March 1928, the American cargo ship MS West Honaker completed the first circumnavigation of the globe by a diesel-powered ship? — Bellhalla (talk) 17:33, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Singaporean equestrienne Laurentia Tan won Singapore's first-ever Paralympic medals – two bronzes in dressage – at the 2008 Summer Paralympics? — Cheers, JackLee ^–talk– 17:09, 16 September 2008 (UTC) (created and nominated the article).

• ... that Henry Taylor Parker, a critic nicknamed "Hard-to-Please", was "Boston's oracle on theatre and music"? - self nom by Boston (talk) 17:03, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Columbia Aircraft successfully converted the famed Lancair IV to a fixed-gear general aviation aircraft, but was purchased by Cessna in 2007 after stiff competition from the Cirrus SR22? Maury (talk) 15:33, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Operation Mole Cricket 19 was the first time a Western air force successfully destroyed a Soviet-built SAM network? new article, self-nom. -- Nudve (talk) 14:29, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the 2008 Congo football riots were sparked by accusations of witchcraft? Lampman (talk) 11:41, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Tsangpo River

• ... that whitewater kayaker Douglas C. Gordon died negotiating an eight-foot waterfall while attempting the first descent of the Tsangpo River (pictured) in Tibet? -- new article by User:Ibn Battuta; nom by Bruce1ee^talk 08:32, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the nomination. Just in case this article should indeed still make it to the DYK section (no idea how exactly this works :) probably it's over already?), could we either add an "after [negotiating an 8-foot waterfall]" or leave out the waterfall completely... or does that spoil the hook? Gordon flipped at the bottom of the fall, but he only died (in hydraulics in the middle of the river) because he did not manage to roll up after his boat had been flushed out of the immediate area of the fall. As the video on the internet evokes the false impression that he died at the bottom of the fall, I'd rather have a crystal clear hook... --Ibn Battuta (talk) 19:22, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

• Revised hook: ... that whitewater kayaker Douglas C. Gordon died while attempting the first descent of the Tsangpo River (pictured) in Tibet? -- new article by User:Ibn Battuta; nom by Bruce1ee^talk 05:39, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that New Zealand telecommunications entrepreneur Annette Presley once claimed she would work as the CEO of Telecom New Zealand for $1? -- Article expanded fivefold and self-nom by XLerate (talk) 07:38, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Kamikaze class destroyer (1905) Shiratae was one of the few ships of the Imperial Japanese Navy to have been lost in combat during the World War I Battle of Tsingtao? <self-nom> --MChew (talk) 07:22, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that United Copper survived a lengthy battle with Standard Oil-controlled Amalgamated Copper, backed by the wealth of John D. Rockefeller, only to collapse in the Panic of 1907? (self-nom. I'm not sure, at the moment I'm nominating this, that it's of length. I'll be fleshing out more as the week progresses, however. --JayHenry (talk) 05:27, 16 September 2008 (UTC) )

• ... that Darryl Kile is the only Colorado Rockies starting pitcher to win twice on Opening Day? (new article, self-nom) --Mr.crabby (Talk) 01:24, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Date, length and reference verified.Cbl62 (talk) 04:22, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that athlete So Wa Wai was only able to compete at the 2008 Paralympic Games after being given a job by actor and Cantopop star Andy Lau, that allowed him time to train? -- new article by User:Jacky Jai cleaned up and expanded by (selfnom) Basement12 (T.C) 01:58, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Suggest "cantopop star Andy Lau" for notability. Or non-Asians would be wondering what's so special here. --76.64.77.35 (talk) 00:26, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

He's more than a pop star though isn't he, particularly known for his acting? Maybe entertainer? I'll put in actor as its a better hook (personally i'd only heard of him due to Infernal Affairs). Basement12 (T.C) 02:52, 17 September 2008 (UTC) Actually there is space for both Basement12 (T.C) 02:56, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that at the time of its sinking in the 1896 Anglo-Zanzibar War HHS Glasgow was the only ship in the navy of Zanzibar? - new article, self nom. Inline cites are book refs but this site confirms it - Dumelow (talk) 18:07, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Herbert Mayfield, one of the Mayfield Brothers, a bluegrass band, earned his living as a welder for cattle feedlots in West Texas?--self-nom Billy Hathorn (talk) 20:17, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that French mathematician Joseph Neuberg founded the journal Nouvelle correspondance mathématique in honour of the earlier journal Correspondance mathématique et physique? - self nom by myself, expanded more than 5x from 0.305 KB of prose to ~2.00 KB of prose. Nousernamesleft (talk) 22:29, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Oregon Civic Justice Center

• ... that the Oregon Civic Justice Center (pictured) at the Willamette Law School was dedicated exactly 96 years after the building was first opened as a Carnegie library? (self) Aboutmovies (talk) 08:36, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 15

• ... that the Valluvars are the hereditary priests of Dalits in the Indian state of Tamil Nadu? -expanded five-fold and nom by - Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 09:06, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Don't understand the referencing ... Victuallers (talk) 10:40, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

What do you don't understand?-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 11:09, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I've added the URL of the sources. I guess now you might be able to understand. :-) -Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 11:20, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

ref = 2nd try. Ref 1 looks like a link but it goes nowhere. ref 2 talks sbout priests but no mention of Dalits ... Victuallers (talk) 12:47, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• Ref 1: Castes and Tribes of Southern India Vol 7 by Edgar Thurston, Pg 304: The Valluvans are summed up by Mr. H. A. Stuart as being "the priests of the Paraiyans and Pallans.
• Ref 2: [1]: (The Valluvars appear in colonial ethnographies as an untouchable priestly sub-caste of the Parayars)

Did you bother to check out the link I've provided? Paraiyars and Pallars are Dalit communities, of course.-Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 13:09, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay.. I've added another reference now. [2].Here, it is clearly mentioned:"The author of the work was Thiruvalluvar or Thiruvalluva Nayanar. He came from the caste, Valluvans, who are the priests of the Paraiyans and Pallans". Is it agreeable now???

If you have problems with the usage of the word Dalit, you could use this ALT hook:

ALT... that the Valluvars are the hereditary priests of the Pallars and Paraiyars of the Indian state of Tamil Nadu? -Ravichandar_{My coffee shop} 19:38, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

- thx - obviously us checkers have no idea about Davits. The last alt hook is fine (and the others could be accepted but only in good faith.) Victuallers (talk) 19:47, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that audiences of the 1658 theatrical presentation The Cruelty of the Spaniards in Peru were entertained by acrobats and trained apes between the scenes? -- new article by User:Ugajin; nom by Bruce1ee^talk 06:08, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Date, size good; print cite accepted on good faith. Kablammo (talk) 07:55, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that some believe the pictographs in Burro Flats Painted Cave were drawn by Indian maidens who slept in the cave as part of a puberty ritual? new article, self nom. Cbl62 (talk) 06:28, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

As the hook's ref is unavailable online, it's unclear who the "some" may be. Also was wondering if the article could include section headers to break up the 6 paragraphs? --Rosiestep (talk) 15:40, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the British failure to break through Ottoman lines in the Battle of Wadi during WWI, led to Charles Townshend's disastrous surrender following the Siege of Kut? (Self nom) --Superflewis (talk) 13:29, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

There is a lot of WP:FOOTNOTE formatting problems in the article. References should be after the ending punctuation, not before it like it is on basically every single reference in the article. -- RyRy (talk) 03:31, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

 Done - Footnotes have been fixed. --Superflewis (talk) 08:00, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Commercial & Financial Chronicle was modeled after The Economist to be the first weekly national business newspaper in the United States? (self nom --JayHenry (talk) 05:38, 16 September 2008 (UTC) )

As far as I can tell, neither the article nor the reference say it was the first such entity. Have I missed it? The Economist bit is there, but not much of a hook on its own. Olaf Davis | Talk 16:44, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Olaf, my apologies! It was in the book and I didn't realize missing from the other sources.(Convenience link to the paragraph in google books--it's the second or third sentence[3]). I'll add that page reference to the article as well. Thanks for your vigilance reviewing! --JayHenry (talk) 19:41, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that when Kristin Kreuk was cast as Lana Lang in the television series Smallville, she had no idea who her character was in Superman lore? -- Please note that this article was worked on by the creator on his sandbox, and moved to the mainspace on the 15th. New article by User:Bignole; Nom by Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 05:22, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm afraid the article has an edit history going back to June 1 2008 and hasn't been expanded five-fold in recent days. --Candlewicke (Talk) 21:08, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

• But that edit history was in the creator's sandbox. Please see "Unwritten" Rule D6 and [4]. Art LaPella (talk) 23:48, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I think this fellow's appearance in the edit history has led to some confusion. :( --Candlewicke (Talk) 16:05, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that men were forbidden to enter the Palestinian village of Ijnisinya by Helena of Constantinople to ensure that she and her maids could swim in its lake with total freedom? (self-nom) --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:34, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that African-American mezzo-soprano Muriel Smith, uncredited "ghost singer" for Juanita Hall in the 1958 Hollywood film version of South Pacific, turned down an on-screen part in the 1959 film version of Porgy and Bess? -- One pound (talk) 23:18, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

219 character hook. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:54, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that John G. Jackson became a contributor to influential black nationalist journal Negro World while still in high school? (selfnom) Juggertrout (talk) 22:42, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Date, length and reference verified. Cbl62 (talk) 15:23, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that heritage turkeys (pictured) are the only domestic turkeys able to reproduce without artificial insemination by humans? (selfnom) Steven Walling (talk) 20:34, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Is the "by humans" necessary? (I hope it would not be confusing . . . ) Kablammo (talk) 12:06, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Is it supported that they are the only domestic turkeys able to reproduce without artificial insemination? That would have to be stated explicitly in a source. Boston (talk) 15:49, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

The article says "... the birds are so heavy that they are completely incapable of reproducing without artificial insemination ..."; is the hook supposed to say "... are the only domestic turkeys unable to reproduce ..."? ~ User:Ameliorate! ^{(with the !) (talk)} 01:37, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

The problem is I don't see anything excluding the possibility of a domestic turkey which is neither a heritage turkey nor the mass market type that needs insemination. Boston (talk) 14:51, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Ameliorate: the article is referring to commercial turkeys being too heavy to mate, not heritage birds. Read more closely. Boston: the possibility is excluded by the fact that all domestic turkeys which aren't heritage turkeys have been bred so large that they are anatomically incapable of the act of coitus. This is explicitly stated in several of the sources used in the article. It's rather widely known in poultry circles, but it's just often surprising to consumers that 90% of the turkeys in the world are created through artificial insemination by industrial agriculture, and that those birds are not able to mate naturally. Steven Walling (talk) 20:36, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Negro league baseball pitcher Dave Brown disappeared in 1925 after murdering a man in a bar fight, but was rumored to have secretly resumed pitching under the alias "Lefty Wilson"? Self nom. William I of Schenectady (talk) 16:19, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Length, date and reference verified.Cbl62 (talk) 15:19, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Cambridgeshire Cats American football team were briefly known as the Cambridge Crunchers following a sponsorship deal with a Seattle-based apple export company? (self nom, article expanded by over 17kB today) Bettia (rawr CRUSH!) 16:03, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that St. Michael the Archangel Church in Kaunas (pictured) was built for the Kaunas Fortress garrison? Expanded on 09-15 by NVO (talk · contribs) and M.K (talk · contribs) Alternatives are welcome, M.K. (talk) 13:33, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Tang Dynasty general Li Baozhen, in search of immortality, consumed over 20,000 pills made by an alchemist, which eventually killed him? (self-nomination) --Nlu (talk) 06:39, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Date verified. Length, 16,310 characters, verified (article would benefit from further sections/subsections/shorter paragraphs). Hook's foreign language citation is accepted IAW WP:AGF. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:03, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Cecil Beaton called Maxime de la Falaise "the only truly chic Englishwoman"? NOTE: This fact is from The Independent but the online reference for it is subscription only (free trial is available). If any other editors are interested, a hook could also be built around her relationship with Andy Warhol or about the fact that her 2nd husband wore a Swastika and was having sex with Robert Mapplethorpe. Self nom by Boston (talk) 06:23, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Brazilian footballer Bobô won the 1988 Campeonato Brasileiro Série A before playing three games for the Brazil national team in 1989? new article: User:Carioca, nom: AdjustShift (talk) 03:51, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Richard Mohun (pictured) claimed to be the first American to cross the African continent, a credit usually given to Henry Morton Stanley?

• or ... that Richard Mohun (pictured), along with Henry Morton Stanley and William Henry Sheppard, is one of three Americans who played a key role in opening up the Congo Free State to outsiders?
• or ... that Richard Mohun (pictured) was the only white survivor of a three year expedition to lay a telegraph line from Lake Tanganyika to the River Nile? - self nom, new article - Dumelow (talk) 19:50, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

July 1, 1908 edition of Shōjo Sekai

• ... that Shōjo Sekai, one of the first shōjo (girl's) magazines in Japan, was also the best selling for the first ten years of its run? -- Malkinann (talk) 12:51, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

- sorry. We need 1500 chars of real text (ie ignoring lists and refs) ... you still have about 24 hours... this a great start... but size is important. Victuallers (talk) 10:31, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Bridgeport Village shopping center in Washington County, Oregon, had sales in the top 5% of U.S. malls within two years of opening? (expansion, self) Aboutmovies (talk) 08:04, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

ALT *... that Bridgeport Village, a shopping center in Washington County, Oregon, was built on the site of a former rock quarry? Aboutmovies (talk) 00:19, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Expansion x5, date, and ALT hook's ref verified. Note that article creator, Philliporth, should also be credited. --Rosiestep (talk) 19:23, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the origin of Chicano literature, the literature of Mexican-Americans in the USA, has been traced back as far as 1542 and the chronicle of Álvar Núñez Cabeza de Vaca? --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 20:24, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Expiring noms

Articles created/expanded on September 14

• ... that the Zagreb train derailment of 1974 is regarded as one of the most deadly railway accidents in Europe?--TheFEARgod (Ч) 21:17, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Prose is currently only 1293 characters. The article also lacks inline citation immediately after the given hook. – Ikara ^talk → 21:01, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that King Magnus of Norway had his longship (pictured) dragged across an isthmus to East Loch Tarbert, Argyll in order to claim Kintyre from the King of Scotland? -- new article self-nom by Ben MacDui 19:12, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Minor conundrum here as it is clearly not Magnus's longship that is pictured. Maybe "a longship (pictured)" although this still implies it is an 11th century vessel. Not sure of the protocols here. Please adjust as appropriate (inc. removing image if necessary). Ben MacDui 18:42, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

How about the following, which hopefully clears up Ben's point and also gives an even 'hookier' bit of the story:

• ... that when the King of Scotland told King Magnus of Norway he could have any land he could circumnavigate, he had a longship (reconstruction pictured) dragged across an isthmus to East Loch Tarbert, Argyll and claimed Kintyre? Olaf Davis | Talk 16:28, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Length, date and ref. are all fine, too - though feel free to double-check the ref. for my alt! Olaf Davis | Talk 16:32, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that architect and artist Elmer Grey designed the Beverly Hills Hotel and Huntington Art Gallery, and his watercolors are in the collection of the Chicago Art Institute? new article, self nom. Cbl62 (talk) 05:20, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Date and prose length are fine; print references accepted on good faith. The first half of hook is not sourced in text but is sourced in the list of major works appearing below the body of the article. Kablammo (talk) 20:16, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Cochran House

ALT: * ... that Gustav Stickley's The Craftsman magazine called Elmer Grey a pioneer "in the development of the new American architecture" based upon the design of Cochran House (pictured)? new article, self nom. Cbl62 (talk) 03:47, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

It's a bit late for me to propose an alt hook, but I think this one may be better. Cbl62 (talk) 03:47, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Date and prose length are fine; print reference accepted on good faith. Kablammo (talk) 08:09, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Whoever does the update should choose whichever when they think is catchier on this. I'm not sure.Cbl62 (talk) 15:25, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that before being traded to the New York Yankees, Babe Ruth was pitcher for the Boston Red Sox, and even started on Opening Day for them? (new article, self-nom) --Mr.crabby (Talk) 01:34, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I think most American sports fans know this, but granted we have a global audience. Daniel Case (talk) 03:33, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Prose is only 1188 characters. —97198 (talk) 06:45, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Still too small; I count 1184 characters. Kablammo (talk) 20:09, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that funding from Sir Edgar Speyer kept the Promenade Concerts going from 1902 to 1914 and helped Captain Scott reach the South Pole, but he was accused of trading with the enemy during the First World War and lost his British citizenship? -- new article self-nom by DavidCane (talk) 23:30, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

239 character hook. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:56, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Alternative 1: *... that Sir Edgar Speyer funded the Promenade Concerts from 1902 to 1914, but he was accused of trading with the enemy during the First World War and lost his British citizenship?

Alternative 2: *... that financier Sir Edgar Speyer was the last person to be struck off the list of Privy Council members after he was accused of trading with the enemy during the First World War?

Both are 181 characters.--DavidCane (talk) 12:19, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

One character more (I changed "of" to "off"). Art LaPella (talk) 21:07, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Lieutenant-General Robert Richardson commanded units of the British Army on three separate occasions during the Troubles? (selfnom) Shimgray | talk | 16:08, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Smallville version of fictional character Lex Luthor is the third time the character has been adapted to a live action television series? -- new article by User:Bignole; Nom by Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 15:29, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Article appears to neither have been created in the past five days nor expanded five-fold. --Candlewicke (Talk) 16:00, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

No, it was created on the 14th. If you look at its history, you'll see that the article was previously on the user's sandbox. Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 01:51, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Here we go again. Art LaPella (talk) 05:30, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I don't understand. This article was never deleted (I think), and is a completely new article. The user had been working on it on his sandbox and moved it to the mainspace on the 14th; I read on the unofficial rules for DYK that this is okay. Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 05:43, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, moving from his sandbox to the mainspace is OK. The problem is mine, not yours. If this is what the future will be like, then I need to learn how to identify a move from a sandbox without taking the author's word for it, here and in the edit summary. Someone else here can probably explain that for me. Art LaPella (talk) 21:21, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, ok, lol. Although, it would be nice if someone approved the fact... Corn.u.co.pia / Disc.us.sion 05:05, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I have now been able to verify the sandbox move. I leave approvals to others, and have just added that fact to my user page. Art LaPella (talk) 15:57, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

The hook has no reference. The fact is mentioned in the intro and the author has used the MOS guideline not to cite references in the intro, but the fact doesn't seem to appear anywhere else in the article. It mentions that Gene Hackman played the role before (in #Michael Rosenbaum) but makes no mention of another time when the role was played. ~ User:Ameliorate! ^{(with the !) (talk)} 17:50, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that after writing nine unproduced spec scripts, screenwriter Gustin Nash wrote his first successful screenplay, Charlie Bartlett, after his father told him "You can do it"? (self-nom) It'd be great to work in that the premise of the film was of a boy whose mantra was "You can do it" - but we might be approaching the max word count. —97198 (talk) 10:21, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

• ALT: ... that screenwriter Gustin Nash was inspired to write the teen film Charlie Bartlett by a group of teenagers that he spent time with while working at a mall in Burbank, California? —97198 (talk) 10:21, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Australian politician Mick Clough had a son who played interstate cricket for Tasmania and Western Australia? -- new article self-nominated by WWGB (talk) 08:36, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

• Is there a possible hook about the subject himself, rather than his son? —97198 (talk) 10:50, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

• Well, this published DYK is also about a family member. WWGB (talk) 15:01, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Why repeat a mistake? --74.13.131.192 (talk) 16:07, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Well it would be good to do it well this time. Is there a possible hook about the subject himself? Victuallers (talk) 16:55, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Then how about this:

• ... that Australian politician Mick Clough defeated a sitting member of parliament at three different elections? -- alternate self nom by WWGB (talk) 05:34, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

2686 characters. Created September 14. Hook confirmed. ~ User:Ameliorate! ^{(with the !) (talk)} 17:33, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the complete, power operated, low recoil force gun turret of the Stingray light tank is used on the LAV-600 light armoured vehicle? -- new article self-nom by Chamal ^Talk ± 06:59, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Created September 14. 2644 characters. Ref #2 confirms the hook. ~ User:Ameliorate! ^{(with the !) (talk)} 17:30, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Huian maiden statue

• ... why Hui'an maidens (statue pictured) are said to have "feudal heads, thrifty jackets, democratic bellies, and wasteful trousers?" (self-nomination) --GnuDoyng (talk) 06:16, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

There was no inline cite for the hook, but it is in the text, and the external links do make reference to this quote. However, it says that the Hui'an women are "jokingly" referred to in this manner. A clarification may be appropriate as follows:

ALT: * ... that Hui'an maidens (statue pictured) have been jokingly referred to as having "feudal heads, thrifty jackets, democratic bellies, and wasteful trousers"? Cbl62 (talk) 15:35, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

1627 characters. Created September 14. As Cbl said above the ref wasn't cited but an external link in the article pointed to a page that mentioned it. I have cited that page as a reference in the article so I will have to leave it up to someone else to confirm this hook. ~ User:Ameliorate! ^{(with the !) (talk)} 17:23, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the Tang Dynasty general An Baoyu received permission to use the imperial surname Li because he did not want to share a surname with the rebel An Lushan? (self-nomination) --Nlu (talk) 03:04, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Length and history verified; Chinese-language ref accepted AGF. Daniel Case (talk) 16:25, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the United Nations Human Rights Committee found that Cameroonian investigative journalist Philip Njaru has faced repeated police brutality since 1997? -- self-nom by Punkmorten (talk) 11:50, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

not entirely uncontroversial, I suppose, but his claims have been held true by the United Nations. The article is extensively sourced in this respect. Punkmorten (talk) 11:50, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Length, reference and history verified. Rewording to make clear this was the UN's call. Daniel Case (talk) 16:22, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that historian Maurice Isserman, best known for books on the Communist Party USA and the New Left, has refocused his work to the history of mountaineering in the Himalayas? Greatly expanded article self-nom by Dwalls (talk) 18:04, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Could we cite this inline somehow? Daniel Case (talk) 16:16, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Rudy Robbins' since disbanded "The Spirit of Texas" was named in 1991 by the Texas State Senate as the "official Cowboy Band for Texas"?--self-nom Billy Hathorn (talk) 01:32, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Length and hook's ref verified; note that the article was actually created 01:06, September 15, 2008. Good to go. --Rosiestep (talk) 18:51, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the town of Kalisz was almost completely destroyed during WWI by German forces pursuing the Schrecklichkeit policy? --article by User:Molobo, nom by _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 20:46, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Tagged with {{singlesource}}. Daniel Case (talk) 13:47, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Hook and reference verified. A collection of offline reading just added. Main source is a scientific study supported by an impressive bibliography. --Poeticbent talk 20:11, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 13

• ... that Chicago possesses the largest Lithuanian community outside Lithuania? Expanded by Orestek (talk · contribs) on 09-14; nom by M.K (talk · contribs) Alternatives are welcome, M.K. (talk) 09:14, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but this is not a 5x expansion as the prose on July 22nd was approximately 2865 characters, and is now at approximately 3737. --Rosiestep (talk) 17:27, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Dictes and Sayings of the Philosophers is the first dated book printed in England? new article, self nominated by --Doug Coldwell ^talk 23:22, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Length and history verified; offline ref accepted AGF. Daniel Case (talk) 13:42, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that in the Tampa Bay Rays' eleven-year history, they have had nine different pitchers start on opening day? new page, self-nom --Mr.crabby (Talk) 21:22, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

• Prose is only 1285 characters. —97198 (talk) 06:49, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that, with only a small printing of 1,500 copies per issue at its height, the journal Scrutiny was able to help F. R. Leavis, its editor, secure his status as an influential 20th century literary critic? new page, self nom, co-nom Jayvdb (User:Jayvdb). Ottava Rima (talk) 20:33, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Alt-nom: ... that F. R. Leavis founded Scrutiny: A Quarterly Review, a widely-read literary magazine, in 1932 and remained its principal editor until the final issue in 1953? new article: User:Jayvdb, nom: AdjustShift (talk) 16:46, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

1851 characters. Ref #3 (The Weekly Standard) confirms the first hook, however it is 203 characters. The second hook is supported by an offline reference. Personally I like the first hook better (although it needs slight condensing). It is good to go anyway. ~ User:Ameliorate! ^{(with the !) (talk)} 16:32, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Per my comment above, a condensed hook; ALT: ... that although only printing 1500 copies per issue at its height, the journal Scrutiny helped its editor, F. R. Leavis, secure his status as an influential 20th century literary critic? ~ User:Ameliorate! ^{(with the !) (talk)} 16:32, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that the 2008 Chatsworth train collision is the deadliest railway accident in the United States since the Big Bayou Canot train disaster in 1993? -- Dhaluza (talk) 19:43, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Article has already featured on the Main Page's In the news section which seems to contradict Unwritten rule D1. --Candlewicke (Talk) 16:14, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Charles Ancliffe's waltz Nights of Gladness became such a world-wide hit the BBC named a whole series of programmes after it? Self-nom, -- ♦ Jongleur¹⁰⁰ ♦ ^talk 08:07, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Victuallers (talk) 15:37, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Brian Bowles was signed by the Chicago White Sox on March 4, 2005, only to be released 24 days later?- Created.--LAAFan^sign _review 15:36, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Commentary: Anyone who has played one game in Major League Baseball can have an article, BUT why should we feature an article on the Main Page about a guy who played in 24 games (and only 30 innings) in his entire career and only won 2? I know we want to encourage new articles, but this is stretching it. In my opinion, a baseball player should have to be truly notable in at least SOME way beyond just playing a few games in the big leagues to be featured in DYK. Cbl62 (talk) 19:48, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Basically the same thing I was about to say... so I won't repeat it. In the other hand, the hook isn't very interesting, so I wouldn't have verified it anyway. I've seen a baseball DYK about a player who only played at one game in his entire career, which would be Larry Gowell. Though, the hook nominated was very interesting and notable (the ball he hit was accepted into the Hall of Fame since it was the last one before the DH rule), so it was accepted as a result, no matter how many games he played. It's really the hook that matters. This one isn't very interesting. Unless you can find a much more interesting hook for him, we'll accept it. Thanks, RyRy (talk) 19:56, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree with RyRy that there needs to be something interesting about the hook. A player being picked up in March during spring training and then released at the end of March without making the club is simply not unusual, interesting, remarkable, or noteworthy.Cbl62 (talk) 20:03, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I too agree. I have not much regard for baseball and that certainly wouldn't draw me in. --Candlewicke (Talk) 19:10, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

And the worst part of this is that we've had similar hooks before: "... that X was signed by SOME MAJOR-LEAGUE TEAM only to be released Y days later." I mean, major-league duh! How many baseball players, let alone pro athletes as a whole, has that happened to?

Perhaps we should start some sort of "Hook suggestions to avoid" subpage. Daniel Case (talk) 13:20, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that Songpa sandaenori (pictured) is a type of talchum, a Korean mask play originated in the neighborhoods of Songpa-dong of Seoul, Korea? --(self nom) Caspian blue (talk) 00:02, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

• Nominated six days after creation. 131.111.129.69 (talk) 09:19, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• Just two minutes past.--Caspian blue (talk) 11:26, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

The time is only out by two minutes and that would be probably be overlooked normally (really, 2 minutes isn't a big deal). However, the sources severely flaunt WP:NONENG and the only English source that actually mentions "Songpa sandaenori" does not go into any detail about where it originated from. ~ User:Ameliorate! ^{(with the !) (talk)} 16:15, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, according to WP:V, non-English sources are okay for references. I don't understand your object to the nomination.--Caspian blue (talk) 16:21, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

My objection is that there are numerous issues with this nom; the time of nomination, the formatting (no sections), it only just makes the minimum, that most of the refs aren't in English and that no English ref confirms the hook all weigh against it. WP:NONENG is a shortcut to a section in WP:V. ~ User:Ameliorate! ^{(with the !) (talk)} 16:55, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

And the article is tagged as a stub. ~ User:Ameliorate! ^{(with the !) (talk)} 16:57, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I forgot to add <ref name="Andong Songpa">, so the hook is perfectly referenced with WP:English citation and you obviously only checked the hook and did not read the attached ENGLISH sources. Well, you're not the admins who judge the nomination and per your somewhat "clever" request for DYK nom to be featured on the top[5], I don't think I have to listen to your lecturing. I have contributed to DYK for a while, so I know what requirements should be presented. You can remove the stub, so I consider your objection is very absurd. Why do you think that {{subst:DYKtickAGF}} exists? --Caspian blue (talk) 17:24, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

You left out the ref and when I raised the objection you attack me? I openly admitted why I was asking BorgQueen to switch my nom out, I had just got and uploaded the photo when she moved it across and I wanted it to at least have a chance - but I don't know what that has to do with anything here. I checked each English source - the one you have now added doesn't mention anything about a Songpa sandaenori - but rather a Songpa Sandae which I shall AGF is the same thing. I still don't like the lack of formatting and the referencing but if you are going to resort to incivility and personal attacks rather than taking on board reasonable objections and fixing the article then so be it. . ~ User:Ameliorate! ^{(with the !) (talk)} 18:14, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

You're the one who has commented from bad faith and attacks me with the implausible reasons, and the article has a stub template which is utterly absurd. If I did not use English sources at all, I could've be tolerate of your accusation that I taunt the Wikipedia policy, but that is even false one. The example of your conduct is why I consider your intervention and interpretation of WP:English are unwarranted. I consider the request is somewhat tactful as opposed to your own thought. Everybody want to their nom to be on the top of the main page. I have not added any new references, so you did not obviously check the attached sources. Please be honest.--Caspian blue (talk) 18:42, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• ... that, in 1975, his only full season, Stan Perzanowski's earned run average of 3.00 was the lowest on the Texas Rangers?-Created.LAAFan^sign _review 18:41, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
  • dab'ed Texas Rangers. Alansohn (talk) 02:35, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Suggest: "complete year" -> "full season" --74.13.131.192 (talk) 16:13, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Length, reference and history verified. Article categorized and hook reworded for flow. Daniel Case (talk) 13:34, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

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