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* '''1958''' – ''Archbishop of Chicago Samuel Stritch was appointed....'' |
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: – "Archbishop of Chicago" is not a title. Suggested fix: "The archbishop (''lc'') of Chicago, Samuel Stritch, was appointed ...." – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 13:14, 1 March 2019 (UTC) |
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::You'd better update the target article then. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man|talk]]) 13:19, 1 March 2019 (UTC) |
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:::Most sources I am finding both inside and outside of Wikipedia use the title "Archbishop of Chicago" with that capitalization. I don't find many of Sca's proposed usage with the lowercase archbishop. --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 14:27, 1 March 2019 (UTC) |
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::::Titles when not followed ''immediately'' (without punctuation) by a name have been lower case in U.S. journalism since time immemorial. Whatever trend there may be toward capitalizing such titles violates U.S. English style as established, for example, by the ''AP Stylebook'': |
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::::::"'''president''' — Capitalize president only as a formal title before one or more names: President Obama, Presidents Bush and Clinton." |
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::::This may be in part an ENGVAR issue, as I've often seen standalone titles capped in British English. From a U.S. editing point of view, this seems undue reverence for impressive-sounding titles. [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 14:46, 1 March 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::It's not an ENGVAR issue. From Wikipedia's own in-house style guide, [[WP:MOSCAPS]], which states, to wit, "A '''standard or commonly used name''' (not description or rewording) '''of an office is also capitalized when used with a name''' (The British Prime Minister is Theresa May; Hirohito was Emperor of Japan etc.)" (bold mine) . If you're going to be a stickler on these things, you should actually read the rules you're pretending to enforce. So, if you want the current wording "Archbishop of Chicago Samuel Stritch" changed, you're first going to have to start an RFC to change the explicit and direct guidance of Wikipedia's own MOS on this matter. Do that first, then come back here after the RFC has been concluded with a change to the MOS. Otherwise, please stop expounding on things before even checking if you are right or not. --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 16:01, 1 March 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::Also, the AP Stylebook[https://writingexplained.org/ap-style/ap-style-titles] says all of the following guidance on the matter: "formal titles should be capitalized when they appear directly in front of one or more names," for example, "Archbishop of Chicago Samuel Stritch" Also, "One way to determine whether a title of formal or occupational is to look at the governmental or private organization that confers it. Do they capitalize the title in their usage of it? If so, it is probably a formal title and should be capitalized." (see below). Most importantly, however, the Wikipedia MOS specifically recommends the above usage, but since you brought up the AP Stylebook, you should know that they also recommend this usage. --[[User:Jayron32|<span style="color:#009">Jayron</span>]][[User talk:Jayron32|<b style="color:#090">''32''</b>]] 16:11, 1 March 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::Does it make any difference at all that archchicago.org itself consistently uses [https://www.archchicago.org/about-us/cardinal-blase-j-cupich Archbishop of Chicago]? Or does Wikipedia ignore that just to annoy them? [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 15:03, 1 March 2019 (UTC) |
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::::::This is a language issue and an editorial issue, not a religious or PR issue. It's not surprising that a religious entity such as the RC Archdiocese of Chicago would capitalize its own clerical titles in all instances, but that isn't a sufficient reason for media and websites to ape their in-house practice. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 15:27, 1 March 2019 (UTC) |
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:::::::Yes, I agree, a language/style issue. See second reply from [[User:Jayron32]] above. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 16:16, 1 March 2019 (UTC) |
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::I !vote to keep it as it is. It looks from reliable sources that it is very often treated as a title, and the suggested wording is more awkward than the current. — [[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 16:09, 1 March 2019 (UTC) |
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:::'''<big>{{bullet}}</big>''' I've been reading the rules since I started working for the AP in 1970. |
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:::'''<big>{{bullet}}</big>''' I said it '''''may be in part''''' an ENGVAR issue. |
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:::'''<big>{{bullet}}</big>''' As said before, no website is an island, and in my view Wiki's [[WP:MOS|MOS]] does not rule a linguistic world in which differing variants of English are extant. |
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:::'''<big>{{bullet}}</big>''' [[WP:MOS]] often does not reflect U.S.-English usage, but since this is a U.S. item, U.S.-English style should be employed. – [[User:Sca|Sca]] ([[User talk:Sca|talk]]) 17:40, 1 March 2019 (UTC) |
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::::You might be surprised what MOS people are aware of. Maybe you should, um, educate them. [[User:Art LaPella|Art LaPella]] ([[User talk:Art LaPella|talk]]) 21:09, 1 March 2019 (UTC) |
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===[[Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/{{Tomorrow}}|Tomorrow's OTD]]=== |
===[[Wikipedia:Selected anniversaries/{{Tomorrow}}|Tomorrow's OTD]]=== |
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It was not "the first of a series of victories", that was the Battle of Bergerac. "the first" should be replaced with either 'one' or 'the second'. Gog the Mild (talk) 10:59, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- No objection. - Dank (push to talk) 14:20, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- Fixed. Went with "one" to avoid debates over superlatives, which are tiresome. --Jayron32 14:33, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- In fact, there are the most tiresome of all debates. --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:18, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- Touché --Jayron32 15:56, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- In fact, there are the most tiresome of all debates. --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:18, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- Fixed. Went with "one" to avoid debates over superlatives, which are tiresome. --Jayron32 14:33, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
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