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Draft: Rishi Kumar

Hi Robert, I have been working on the article for Councilmember Rishi Kumar. A bunch of people showed up and changed a lot of stuff, and submitted a bunch more articles. Can I please have to time to fix it, before it get's deleted. Can you please help me with getting this up. I am doing this in the interest of free and fair elections. --PoliticalEddy (talk) 18:45, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Dispute Resolution

Hi, I'm writing to ask which is the best way to go about resolving a particular dispute along with some ongoing civility issues. I am asking you because you are the first editor on the Dispute resolution noticeboard/Volunteers list who has made any edits today. I hope I'm going about this the right way and not too much of a nuisance to you. The editor SchroCat and I are in a disagreement about comma use in the article John Davie (British Army officer). I also feel that SchroCat followed me to this article (no previous edits there). I don't know if this constitutes hounding/harassment, but I do wonder if it is something I should bring up. Several other editors and I have experienced civility issues with SchroCat at Talk:No Time to Die. What is the best way to go about resolving these issues? Thanks in advance! GrammarDamner (talk) 16:51, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

User:GrammarDamner - Well, my first thought is that if this is an issue about commas, it isn't worth making an issue about. I will review the issue in more detail within 24 hours. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:06, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Ok, thank you, no rush. GrammarDamner (talk) 17:07, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

As I said, request a Third Opinion at the Third Opinion noticeboard, but maybe from an editor who is neither an American nor a Briton. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:11, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Looks like someone else already did that, and consensus has been reached regarding the commas. That only covers one of the issues I brought up, but I guess that's that. Thanks again. GrammarDamner (talk) 16:19, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Sorry to keep bugging you, but I find SchroCat's recent reply to me at Talk:John Davie (British Army officer) completely unacceptable. What is the best way to go about dealing with consistently uncivil behavior? I'm not trying to get this editor blocked or anything, but I feel a warning of some sort is in good order, and as mentioned and pointed out, I'm definitely not the only editor who feels this way. Thanks again for taking the time. GrammarDamner (talk) 07:32, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi (talk) regarding my submission for Criterion Software limited page, I wanted to understand what can be done in order for this page to be accepted? The Criterion Games page (which is a subsidiary of criterion software limited) has its own page. Please advise — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiWhizz2 (talk • contribs) 10:22, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Arbitration case opened

In 2018, you offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has now accepted that request for arbitration, and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Jytdog. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Jytdog/Evidence. Please add your evidence by March 23, 2020, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Jytdog/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration.

All content, links, and diffs from the original ARC and the latest ARC are being read into the evidence for this case.

The secondary mailing list is in use for this case: arbcom-en-b@wikimedia.org

For the Arbitration Committee, CThomas³ (talk) 17:30, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Paid editing off-wiki evidence

I have added an email address and the link to my user page. I have lots of evidence about paid editing which I am sure will lead to indictments.GDX420 (talk) 19:26, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

User:GDX420 Indictments for what by whom? McClenon mobile (talk) 04:14, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

AfC submission of Draft:UMass Memorial Medical Center

This is an article of a health network, I think that this draft should be made its own article because of the fact that this is a hospital within the health network. A great example of another article is Robert Wood Johnson University Hospital being separate from RWJBarnabas Health. The proposed draft is just an hospital within the health network. If you look at UMass Memorial Health Care, the line states "...and the largest healthcare system in Central and Western Massachusetts." As you may know, a healthcare system consists of many hospitals as does UMass Memorial Health Care. Andrew nyr (talk) 22:27, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Andrew nyr - In that case, this is a split request, and I will put a comment to discuss on the talk page of the existing article whether other editors agree that separate articles are in order. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:08, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Question

I know paid editing is very looked down upon, but do you know of anyone who does it well, you know, produces good quality articles in a Wikipedia sense? Or is there a forum or wiki project for sharing best practices about how to comply with disclosed paid editing? I am a very old hand at Wikipedia, but very new to any paid editing and I want to try to fulfill the stringent requirements of disclosure, for example, and I keep doing it wrong. If you know of anyone that does it well, please let me know. Thanks, Integritas888 (talk) 01:22, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Integritas888 - There is a difference between paid editing and the paid collection of household garbage. Both are looked down on. The difference is that someone has to do the paid collection of garbage, because no one will do it for free, and it has to be done. No one has to do paid editing of Wikipedia, because it will be done for free if it needs doing. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:02, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

If you can set up a forum or WikiProject for sharing best practices, the other paid editors will appreciate it. Whether the volunteer editors will appreciate it may depend on whether you do it with as little stinking as possible. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:02, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

If I knew of someone who did it well, I wouldn't let you know. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:02, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

I have added over 40,000 edits to this encyclopedia over since 2006 over countless hours, for free. I have created dozens of Good Articles, and contributed to at least 5 Featured Articles. I have won dozens of barnstars, and over 98% of all my contributions have been retained thus far. I do not deserve to be addressed in this manner. Some of us need to eat, and love to help people make articles. I guess the articles won’t pass AfC unless they are at featured status first, but I didn’t know that, I am new to the process. Last I knew, we had a policy of “Don’t bite the newbies”, and I was new to this. They should just ban paid editing entirely if this is the way that paid editors who attempt to disclose and contribute are going to be treated. Integritas888 (talk) 15:23, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Le Concert Spirituel

Help! Draft:Le Concert Spirituel, - the article was created independently by a different user and IS in Main space, merged with content from the draft. The draft is no longer needed. I don't now how to deal with the situation. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:08, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Gerda Arendt I have redirected the draft to the article. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:54, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Reinhard Pfundt

Draft:Reinhard Pfundt: I found a decent ref for this long-term music professor of the Leipzig Music University, with a premiere of his piece conducted by Masur during the opening of the Leipzig Gewandhaus. The ref has more detail, but I'm tired. Could you please move the article back to article space, where it belonged all the time, imho? It could be improved better in the open, connected to links in articles and to the German Wikipedia. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Done, User:Gerda Arendt. In the future, if you are posting to something near the top of my talk page, a comment at the bottom would help, but I found your post via the history. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:28, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Rubiaceae stubs

Thanks. Was going to approve these after I moved them but looks like you are taking care of it. Thanks for speeding up the process. --CNMall41 (talk) 04:54, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

User:CNMall41 - I will work them off as I work them off. I am about to go to bed, and I hope that I don't see them or read them for the next eight hours, because if I do, those are weird dreams, but dreams are weird. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:08, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Yeah. The more I move, the more that appear. Hopefully they don't appear in your dreams. --CNMall41 (talk) 05:10, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Starzoner articles for creation

Many of the articles that Starzoner has had accepted contain unsubstituted uses of {{PAGENAME}}. I don't think they should be accepted until this is fixed; they are causing a lot of work for plant editors. Peter coxhead (talk) 15:22, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm gonna go through them and change them all. Starzoner (talk) 15:34, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Peter coxhead - Okay. I'll start sending them back. Thank you for being polite about this issue. We don't need to create extra work in a labor of love. (It just occurred to me. Is labor of love a double entendre because labor is what happens nine months after love? Robert McClenon (talk) 15:50, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know via the talk pages. Starzoner (talk) 16:05, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

@Starzoner: this was discussed elsewhere and I thought you had been told; sorry if that isn't the case. All you have to do is to use {{subst:PAGENAME}}. Peter coxhead (talk) 16:45, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Chaeyoung draft

Hello. You said Chaeyoung does not have significant coverage in secondary sources, but you didn't explain why. Chaeyoung has received coverage as an individual from multiple secondary sources. Tempo, GQ, Elite Daily, Korea Herald, korea herald 2, IBT India, SCMP, IDN times, IBT Singapore. Surely the GQ and Tempo articles alone are enough to satisfy GNG. Apples&Manzanas (talk) 02:38, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Apples&Manzanas - I said to discuss at Talk:Twice (group). There have been statements that she has enough individual coverage to qualify for a separate article, and there have been statements that she does not have enough individual coverage to qualify for a separate article. I am requesting that the community discuss at the group talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:11, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

That's a strange way of not answering my question. I mean, *you* were the person who said Chaeyoung did not have enough coverage to satisfy GNG, and i asked you to explain that...you dodged that question entirely. Apples&Manzanas (talk) 03:39, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Addendum: Also did you even read the draft talk page before declining the submission? Literally no one has thus far said that sources like GQ, Elite Daily, and Tempo don't constitute significant coverage. The draft was declined *in the past* because those sources *had not been discovered yet*. So far, you have been literally the only person to say those sources don't constitute significant coverage, and when questioned about this above you act like you never even said it. Apples&Manzanas (talk) 03:43, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Apples&Manzanas - Okay, you are likely right in that maybe I should have given your draft a more detailed review. On the other hand, you are being very undiplomatic if your objective is to get me to re-review the draft. You have now annoyed me so that I am not likely to be neutral. If your objective was to ask for a different reviewer, you will get your request, because I will recuse from reviewing your draft. If your objective was for me to accept your draft as an article, I will recuse from reviewing it, because I am no longer unbiased. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:30, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

All good, my apologies. Apples&Manzanas (talk) 04:56, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Squadron 42 draft

Hello, you left a comment on the Squadron 42 draft that I was a little confused with. I understand the discussion on splitting Star Citizen with Squadron 42, I opened that discussion but so far there's only been one other person talking it over prior to me really working on this draft. In your comment, it says that upcoming or unreleased games don't generally qualify under notability, but the page you linked to doesn't seem to have any information on that, and there are a few articles (Halo Infinite, Half-Life: Alyx, and Final Fantasy VII: Remake) that are all regarding upcoming releases. I'm just curious to figure out how an unreleased game with healthy coverage (ironically much of it being geared towards its unreleased nature) wouldn't be considered notable. I'm definitely waiting to hear from other editors on the Star Citizen page, just wanted to clear up that part. Thanks! — seadoubleyoujay ^{[talk] [contrib] [海倍君ジェイ]} 05:05, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

I will review game notability to see if games are different from other subjects such as films and books in often being notable before they are released. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:59, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Seadoubleyoujay - I don't see anything in the game notability guidelines that is different about coverage for games that have not yet been released, but perhaps the game press routinely provides neutral coverage to games prior to release in a way that is different from films, books, or other subjects. My advice still is to discuss the split on the talk page. I would also suggest that a general discussion of games and unreleased games at the Teahouse might be in order. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:40, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: Question, is it possible to revert this draft to an unsubmitted state while the discussion at Talk:Star Citizen continues? I'd agree with jumping the gun on submitting it for review, I just don't want it to be deleted while the rest is ongoing (I don't really know how all this works in detail). Or would it be best to leave it in the state it's in now, continue improving it and continuing the discussion, and then making the final decision later? — seadoubleyoujay ^{[talk] [contrib] [海倍君ジェイ]} 19:43, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Seadoubleyoujay - I am not sure that I understand. I think I understand that you want to avoid having the draft deleted, but I am not sure what sort of deletion you are concerned about needing to avoid. I don't think that there is a risk that it is about to be deleted. Has someone posted something to that effect? If you have a vague general concern, you could ask a question at the Teahouse. I am not sure that I understand the question. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:27, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Salomonia

Hi, I am notifying you that I've created 5 articles in the Salomonia genus and I think they are ready to be submitted. Starzoner (talk) 21:20, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Starzoner You didn't submit them for review, so I submitted them. You also have drafts in some other genera in various plant families, but I have left them alone, because you didn't ask about them. I am willing to accept any draft on a species with a proper source and a proper binomial name, based on the idea, that I stated yesterday, that if there is agreement on notability, cleanup can be done in article space. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:13, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Salomonia longiciliata has been accepted

Salomonia longiciliata, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.
The article has been assessed as Stub-Class, which is recorded on the article's talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

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Robert McClenon (talk) 23:54, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Declined submission

Dear Robert,

Yesterday I submitted a draft submission , receiving back a notification of decline from you, for the following reason:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article — that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies).

Additionally that:

This draft is written from the viewpoint of the company, focusing on what the company says about itself. Corporate notability is based on what independent reliable sources have written about the subject. Not every business corporation is notable, and this draft does not establish corporate notability.

I would like to state the case that this decline is not correct, under the terms of Wikipedia's rules & guidelines. I will address the points made as follows:

1. The citations provided are to articles which are written specifically upon the subject matter submitted, these are not 'just passing mentions' so much as they provide "Significant coverage" by 'addressing the topic directly and in detail, so that no research is needed to extract the content'

2. The subject is published in reliable, secondary sources, as the sources are 'third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy'... The first source is Bloomberg L.P The second source City A.M.

3. This draft is not written from the viewpoint of the company, the submission details only factual points relating to the subject matter & is fully cited for all factual points made, as would be expected from an external source's viewpoint. Furthermore the citations are "Independent of the subject"

4. This business corporation is notable, given the significant coverage that has been provided by multiple, independent, reliable, secondary sources.

5. The submission provides "Significant coverage" in its citations as they 'addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content'.

6. The list of markets that the subject covers is not an 'Example of trivial coverage' on the pure basis that, the list of markets that the subject covers, are the reason for the citations & existence of the subject's secondary coverage in the first place, wholly this would seem 'trivial' had it not been for the 'significant coverage' relating to these subject matters.

IN SUMMARY

'The common theme in the notability guidelines is that there must be verifiable, objective evidence that the subject has received significant attention from independent sources to support a claim of notability'. This has been proven by providing numerous citations (significant attention) from independent sources.

None of the citations, or coverage can be regarded as 'Self-promotion, autobiography, product placement and most paid material are not valid routes to an encyclopedia article' The articles to which I've referred are not paid, nor classifiable as the remainder above. They're provided by independent sources.

Furthermore, the Notability terms state 'The barometer of notability is whether people independent of the topic itself (or of its manufacturer, creator, author, inventor, or vendor) have actually considered the topic notable enough that they have written and published non-trivial works of their own that focus upon it—without incentive, promotion, or other influence by people connected to the topic matter' .

Which of course is the case, multiple independent, sources have considered the topic notable enough to have written and published non-trivial work of their own that specifically focus upon the subject, without incentive, promotion, or other influence by people connected to this topic matter.

IN CONCLUSION.

The Notability guidelines state 'No organization is considered notable except to the extent that independent sources demonstrate that it has been noticed by people outside of the organization'. It has been proven that there has been Significant attention given to the subject matter by; multiple, independent, reliable, secondary sources, from outside of its organisation.

The Notability guidelines specifically state that 'A company, corporation, organization, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject.'

Therefore, my submission should be approved wholly as the corporation is decidedly 'notable'. In fact, as one of my citations states, the subject is award winning, this is 'notable' in its own right. My submission has provided multiple citations to 'significant coverage' of the subject, from multiple, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject; of which the citations adhere totally to Wikipedia's Notability guidelines & my sources follow the exact points set out in the general notability guideline.

I have spoken to members of the Tea Room & one comment was that the City A.M. citation is of a 'trivial coverage' nature. To rebuttal this, my comment is, the statement is short, stating the company raised 30k. But just because the statement is short, does not mean it doesn't constitute 'Significant coverage' as it addresses the subject directly in detail, as required by the Notability guidelines. This is no different to referring to a famous persons date of birth, or death. A statement, backed up by an independent, reliable source.

Many thanks for your time. The Dolph

Dolphinhouse2019 (talk) 16:04, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

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Request for a separate article for Robam Moni Mekhala (Cambodiaan dance) from Manimekhala (goddess of the sea)

I wish this article will be accepted as a separate article from Manimekhala. This proposed article is a separate article for a Cambodian traditional dance Robam Moni Mekhla while Manimekhala is an article for a goddess in Hindu and Buddhist mythology. Like there are an article for Apsara and a separate article for Robam Tep Apsara (in Cambodia).

The sources cited are the only available references I can find for the proposed article as such English-based books regarding this Cambodian dance is rare although it is a popular dance in Cambodia. The acceptance of this draft article will open it up to other editors who may have access to more photos, sources, and information. As I am alone for this article, I need assistance from other editors.

Please reconsider this draft article! Thanks in advance! Antony Willianson (talk) 16:06, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Antony Willianson - I will review the draft within 48 hours, probably 24 (since there isn't a whole lot that anyone can do other than use the Internet with the lockdown). Robert McClenon (talk) 01:01, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon Thanks anyway! I'll try to improve the draft later. I hope this will be my second article being approved. This is all I can contribute. Sorry to disturb you! Take care!God bless you. Antony Willianson (talk) 03:48, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Splitting

Hi. I just noticed the Manimekhala discussion mentioned above, and I must say I find your notion of what constitutes article splitting to be very peculiar. I saw your addition of a split tag to the article back in January, but could not understand what the request was supposed to entail. In my understanding (and I believe this is the way most people see it), a split primarily concerns existing content in an article. The tag you placed, saying, "It has been suggested that this article be split into a new article titled Draft:Robam Moni Mekhala," made no sense to me, because the content is already in the target, and there's no existing content in the main article to be split. (In any case, one would want to split into Mainspace, not a draft, and the template doesn't even work with Draftspace pages.)

Picking up from my previous comment at User talk:Robert McClenon/Archive 27#Template:Talkspin, I think it would be much clearer to frame the discussion as a choice of whether to (1) create a stand-alone article of a subtopic, or (2) merge the draft's content into the main article. A new maintenance tag would be best suited for this, but if we must choose among existing tags, I'd say it makes much more sense to tag the issue as a merge suggestion from the draft page. In this case, consensus not to merge would equal one to create a separate standalone article. WP:PAGEDECIDE would also be the most relevant guideline to point to. --Paul_012 (talk) 19:09, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Paul 012 - I haven't been able to find a good way to formulate questions of when to create a second article when there is a redirect to an existing article. It definitely isn't a merge proposal, because a merge either converts two articles into one or pulls draft material into an article. A merge tag is often appropriate when someone writes a draft on a topic that already has an article, but the content is somewhat different but overlapping. If there is an article, and a draft is submitted that has the topic of a redirect to the article, I think that the discussion should be on the article talk page. The problem seems to be that the terminology of split and merge causes confusion. Do you have a different idea in general of how to handle these cases? In this specific case I will re-review the draft on the dance. The question seems to be largely one of terminology. Is there a more substantive issue? Robert McClenon (talk) 01:01, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

There are some common cases where a draft has the same title as a redirect, such as the name of an album that is redirected to the article on the artist, or the name of a song or track that is redirected to the article on the album. In those cases, I think it is clear that discussion should be at the parent article talk page. I agree that some cases are less clear. In general, I would prefer to see discussion on a talk page if there is an appropriate talk page, rather than just making a reviewer decision. Do you understand what I am saying? Robert McClenon (talk) 01:01, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes, it does seem it's an issue mainly of terminology. Would probably be best to create a new template to cover this directly. It would make sense to discuss cases at the main article talk page, but a more pertinent question, I think, would be when this is necessary. Redirects that used to be articles will need discussion to determine whether the reason for merging or redirecting still applies. But if it's tagged {{r with possibilities}}, it could probably be accepted as a separate article straight away. Regarding your album and song examples, I'm not regularly involved at AfC, but if I were, I'd probably prefer to approve and "deal with it in Mainspace". --Paul_012 (talk) 00:29, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Paul 012 - For albums and songs, the musical notability criteria are detailed and well-defined, so that the draft can be accepted if it charted or otherwise meets a specific criterion, and otherwise can usually be declined. One of the considerations, that you mentioned, is that quite often there was an article, and it has been stubbed down to a redirect, sometimes by formal AFD, sometimes after some discussion, and sometimes unilaterally. In those cases, it really is important to ensure that there is new discussion. In cases where there is no special notability guideline and no previous discussion, it is really just a matter of inclusion philosophy, and that gets messy. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:50, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

DRN closure

I didn't mention this in my DRN request, but seeking dispute resolution was specifically advised by the administrator who closed Dlthewave's Arbitration Enforcement request against Jweiss11. When you closed my DRN request, were you were that this matter had been referred to DRN from AE?

I'm unable to use an account because I can't enable cookies on the device that I use to edit. I don't know who the other IP is, or whether they have a legitimate reason for editing anonymously, but they're a different person. (It's helpful to compare our respective geolocations.)

I would appreciate you reading the various comments in the Arbitration Enforcement request where this matter was referred to DRN, if you haven't already, and reconsidering your closure in light of that. This dispute has been churning on the talk page and at AE for the past month, so it's very unlikely that kicking it back to those places will produce any further resolution. 2600:1004:B14E:63FD:A8E7:E862:289A:18DD (talk) 20:34, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

I have asked at the Teahouse whether there is a way to edit from a registered account without cookies. That discussion is at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Teahouse#Are_Cookies_Required_for_Registered_Editors%3F . Robert McClenon (talk) 00:29, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

In light of the response there, are you willing to reconsider your closure? 2600:1004:B14E:63FD:A8E7:E862:289A:18DD (talk) 01:44, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

What device are you using that doesn't accept cookies? I can use cookies on a smartphone, or a laptop, or a desktop. Where are you and what device are you trying to use? McClenon mobile (talk) 03:50, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

The device is theoretically capable of accepting cookies, but for personal reasons I can't enable them. If you aren't willing to reconsider your decision, you can just tell me that. 2600:1004:B14E:63FD:A8E7:E862:289A:18DD (talk) 04:50, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

DRN Closure Reply

I have reviewed the DRN request as you requested. I see that Race and Intelligence has been to Arbitration Enforcement at least four times within the past month, as you said. That, in itself, doesn't incline me to try to mediate a dispute that keeps going back to conduct forums. I understand that you understand that User:Barkeep49 and User:El_C specifically referred the parties to DRN, but that isn't exactly what Barkeep said. What User:Barkeep49 said was that the parties should have used dispute resolution. Barkeep further said that could be an RFC. With multiple parties coming from multiple directions, RFC is more likely to be an effective method of dispute resolution than is moderated discussion at DRN. You still can formulate an RFC.

After reviewing the explanation of the need for cookies and your personal inability to enable cookies, I do not find a compelling reason to allow anonymous participation in a moderated dispute where moderation is not likely to work anyway. In the absence of an explanation that goes into excessive detail (for which I am not asking), it sounds as though, first, you may be able to find a device at a library or Internet café, second, the "personal reason" sounds like the device isn't really yours, third, I don't know which of the other parties to the dispute you might be.

Do you want assistance in formulating a neutrally worded Request for Comments? Robert McClenon (talk) 03:01, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

I will note that 2600:1004 has been a productive contributor to the discussion for quite some time and so if that was the only thing preventing this from being handled at DRN I'd ask for reconsideration. However, I will affirm that while DRN is part of the dispute resolution process, Robert McClenon is correct that I suggested an RfC as the proper kind of dispute resolution for this matter. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 03:31, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Someone else has just opened a RFC on a closely related question. As I understand it, dispute resolution requests typically aren't accepted while there's a RFC underway, so at this point I'm willing to accept the closure.

I have one other question, though. Is it a requirement for RFCs to be neutrally worded? That is what's stated here, but this particular RFC is obviously not neutrally worded, including a statement that I have "persistently advocated for lending credence to white supremacist sources".

@Barkeep49: you are the main person who's monitoring behavioral issues on these articles, so I would particularly like your guidance on whether it's acceptable for the opening summary of a RFC to make these kinds of allegations. 2600:1004:B159:F772:1F3:3811:8D45:C868 (talk) 04:40, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

RFCs should be neutrally worded. I will let User:Barkeep49 or another administrator decide what should be done about a concern that an RFC is non-neutral. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:58, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Evelyn Campbell (actress)

Hello. Regarding this note that you left on my talkpage, user:Rosiestep#I have unreviewed a page you curated, please let me know why you unreviewed it. Thank you. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:05, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Here's the right link to where you left the message, User talk:Rosiestep#I have unreviewed a page you curated, and here's a link to the article in question, Evelyn Campbell (actress) (my 1,390th new woman's biography). --Rosiestep (talk) 18:37, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Rosiestep - A small issue, which is that the way her dates were formatted made it appear to say she is still alive. That should be changed to b. 1867 or to a ? . Go ahead and review it again. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:51, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

I don't know how to "review it again" as I didn't review it to begin with, e.g. I think all of the articles I create are put into auto-reviewed status. Is this something you can do? --Rosiestep (talk) 19:18, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Rosiestep - I've marked it reviewed. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:45, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. --Rosiestep (talk) 01:47, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

@Robert_McCleon I just saw it after a break. Thank so much! Antony Willianson (talk) 17:02, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Paul_012 Intention

Hello @Robert_McClenon I suspected the intention of this user Paul 012 from Thailand. After trying to prevent the draft article : Robam Moni Mekhala from being approved as a separate article, now he proposed many of the photos I uploaded to Wikipedia ( including those used in the draft article) for DELETION! Some photos I got them from the facebook page (Hattha) after getting the permission from the owner, so I have to download them from her page & uploaded to Wikimedia Common with her named attached ( I complainted this to the owner of the photos, she said she will try to upload the photos by herself tomorrow, but she never join Wikipedia before). This Thai user proposed many other photos I uploaded to other article for deletion as well! Some photos, I took it by myself from the National Museum of Cambodia and 1 photo, I asked my friend to took it when he was on a trip to Angkor Wat temple! So I get them via FB which is convenient. I am a new contributor/ editor, I dont know much about Wikipedia. Help me! I dont know that technical stuff! Antony Willianson (talk) 13:49, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Antony Willianson, User:Paul_012 - I have completed my review of Draft:Robam Moni Mekhala. I have declined the draft at this time because it is difficult to read because the English is not good. It needs a heavy copy-edit for grammar, style, and usage. A history merge of the draft into the existing redirect is then needed. (I am not recommending a merge into the article on the goddess, but a history merge into what is currently a redirect from the title of the dance to the goddess.) If you have any further questions, you may ask them here, or on the talk page of the draft. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:53, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

@Robert_McCleon Quite disappointing after the draft article is declined for the second time. I'm not a native speaker of English, thus limited in the language used! I did my best for the contribution anyway! I'm completely blank who can really help me over here! Will find somebody to help and resubmit the draft again! Sad — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antony Willianson (talk • contribs) 07:19, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Antony Willianson - Isn't it in article space at Robam Moni Mekhala and tagged for copy-edit? Robert McClenon (talk) 15:30, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Test

Nothing. McClenon mobile (talk) 18:03, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

@Robert_McCleon,thanks for your help. But can you please add some sections from the second submission of the draft as it contains more information such the characters' costume,...etc & could get help from the team as well. Really appreciate your assistance! Take care & stay healthy! God blessed! Antony Willianson (talk) 16:56, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Robert McClenon, Thank for information!  Antony Willianson (talk) 03:55, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

Question

Hi Robert_McCleon! I can not view or edit the draft: Robam Moni Mekhala, is the draft deleted? So, disappointing as I spent lot of times working on it! Or I have to re-draft it again? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Antony Willianson (talk • contribs) 08:24, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Antony Willianson - It should be there at Robam Moni Mekhala now. Please do not edit the draft for now. It is waiting to be reworked by an editor whose native language is English. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:35, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Antony Willianson - If there is information from another version that needs to be added to the article, go ahead and add it. The article is tagged for copy-edit and is waiting for a copy-editor, so that any additions will also be copy-edited. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:05, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Let's fall in love for the night

I was wondering what I can do to improve the article. I also want to let you know that "Let's Fall in Love for the Night" is Finneas' most successful song. It reached the top 20 on the alternative songs billboard chart and number 26 on the rock airplay. Beatleswillneverdie (talk) 19:30, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Orwell Society submission

Many thanks for pointing out the perceptual gap - should have picked this up myself but it is all good learning. Much appreciated. --2A02:C7F:DC5B:C700:8C6C:BD8E:A197:2CE3 (talk) 07:36, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Your review in Afc: Alex Ajipe (March 2020)

Hi McClenon,

I got your review of my article "Alex Ajipe" and I acknowledge your observations on how to make the article better. 

I'll go ahead and add more citations from independent and reliable websites to further improve the standard of the article.

I also want to reaffirm my commitment towards following the rules guarding Wikipedia editors. I have never taken com compensations for editing or creating articles on Wikipedia.

Thanks. Thisissegun (talk) 20:21, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Are you still on Draft:Xbox system software?

I just came across it, and wanted to run reFill on it for a second, but don't want to create an edit conflict. (I wasn't intending to review it.) --Gryllida (talk) 00:55, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Gryllida - Go ahead and make any minor tweaks to it. I will deal with it within a few hours. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:36, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Draft:René Panthier

I accepted it as is, and then fixed the headings; sometimes in a case like this I fix them first, and then accept. This is simply a decent quality translation from the frWP, not a machine translation. (Iddon ot know why the contributor didn't copy the hreading format, but it's one of the things that don't matter. DGG ( talk ) 02:59, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

User:DGG Thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:27, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Jack Harman (artist)

Dear Robert McClenon, I take the view that the Jack Harman article meets the following criterion: "The person's work (or works) has: (a) become a significant monument" as demonstrated here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Harry_Jerome He also meets "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor" as a recipient of the Order of British Columbia Please reconsider. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sheijiashaojun (talk • contribs) 06:24, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Reyko Article

Hi Robert! Hope you are well? Thank you for your feedback, I'm very new to Wikipedia so I'm trying my best here. I have deleted the draft for Reyko as the article is already published. And I have seen your nomination to delete the article so I have checked the criteria for notability in music and the band Reyko meets the following: 1. Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart 2. Has received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country 3. Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g., a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc. 4. Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or TV network Please, reconsider. But also, please, feel free to improve the article or give me any advice? Thank you! --Bluevespa8 (talk) 18:26, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Request on 19:25:33, 24 March 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by MariaAnnelovesyou2

• MariaAnnelovesyou2 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Joseph G. Giambra (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello Robert,

I am unfamiliar with the Wikipage process and hope you will excuse my query here if it does not follow the appropriate protocol. I reach out to you because you left me a message that the tone of my article was not acceptable. I made edits to comply with the request. I just popped in to add an IMBD to the article, but it seems to be moved or deleted. Can you please give me more information on that? Where is Draft:Joseph G. Giambra? There is some comment about copyright infringement, but no requests were made regarding further information. While I do not have a copy of the deleted draft, my recollection is that the photos were taken by me or owned by Joseph Giambra. Or links to other websites such as IMBD. The content was my own.

Please advise as to how I can view the draft.

Thank you.

Maria MariaAnnelovesyou2 (talk) 19:25, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

MariaAnnelovesyou2 (talk) 19:25, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

User:MariaAnnelovesyou2 - Your draft was deleted by administrator User:WilyD because it was a copy of copyrighted material. You may discuss with the deleting administrator, but copyright infringement is never restored. You may rewrite the draft in your own words and resubmit it. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:12, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Request on 20:35:46, 24 March 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by MariaAnnelovesyou2

• MariaAnnelovesyou2 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Joseph G. Giambra (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Thanks so much for the reply, Robert. How can I determine what part he thought was infringement? and how do I get a message to him? I can't find a talk page for him. MariaAnnelovesyou2 (talk) 20:35, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

MariaAnnelovesyou2 (talk) 20:35, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

User:MariaAnnelovesyou2 - If you are having difficulty with talk pages, ask for help at the Teahouse. You may post a message at User talk:WilyD. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:15, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

The copyright infringement was probably of the text of the draft, because copyright to images and copyright to text are handled by somewhat different procedures. We normally will allow the use of copyrighted pictures with the consent of the photographer or other copyright owner. We cannot allow the use of copyrighted text by "ordinary" permission, because our copyleft releases the text for reuse by anyone else under a similar license anywhere in the world, and that is usually not the way people want to give permission. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:20, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

I don't remember everything, but a quick check reveals some text was copied from this website: http://www.perniente.org/actors.html; there mqy hqve been others. WilyD 09:41, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Why rejected?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Danish_Renzu

There is plethora articles on Danish Renzu with released films? https://www.amazon.com/Half-Widow-Neelofar-Hamid/dp/B07XLW36SX And work with Academy winning actor https://bookandfilmglobe.com/film/movie-review-the-illegal/

How is this not worth of wikipedia? Instead, will appreciate your feedback on the page to get this approved

User:Cinephile786 - Please sign your posts. Also please follow the advice to discuss at Draft talk:Danish Renzu. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:53, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Math talk page Comment

Do you get what that dude is saying here that the title should be? Am I overthinking what he's saying or did he somehow make it more complicated? I don't want to feel dumb and ask the guy to clarify again. Sulfurboy (talk) 23:42, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Sulfurboy - I'll clarify, since this is high school math (and I've forgotten college math). He is saying that the title should be Modular forms modulo p, which is like Modular forms modulo n, except that n is an integer and p is a prime integer. It could be Modular forms modulo 3 or Modular forms modulo 5. You aren't overthinking it. He changed the nature of the complexity from 2 to any prime number. Everything beyond stating what the modulo is gets into discrete higher math, which I haven't forgotten because I didn't study it. (I have forgotten differential equations.) Robert McClenon (talk) 23:51, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Robert McClenon, See, I was a liberal arts major in an effort to avoid any of this. I accepted the page with the suggested name, although I probably should have considered a different approach when I saw the article. Sulfurboy (talk) 23:56, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Hyperbolastic functions has been accepted

Hyperbolastic functions, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

The article has been assessed as C-Class, which is recorded on its talk page. This is a great rating for a new article, and places it among the top 20% of accepted submissions — kudos to you! You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

If your account is more than four days old and you have made at least 10 edits, you can create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for Creation if you prefer.

If you have any questions, you are welcome to ask at the help desk.

If you would like to help us improve this process, please consider .

Thanks again, and happy editing!

Robert McClenon (talk) 17:25, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Did you really do that? Starzoner (talk) 17:42, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Starzoner - Yes and no, I guess. I certainly couldn't have written about hyperbolastic functions. They are differential equations, and I have forgotten all of the higher mathematics that I learned fifty years ago. I was reviewing Draft:Hyperbolastic functions and asked other reviewers to review it. I declined it based on advice from mathematicians. I then got a further comment that the text should be in article space somewhere, either as Hyperbolastic functions or somewhere else, and found that comment, that it should be in article space, persuasive. So I resubmitted the draft, and then I reviewed the draft and accepted it. As a result of the fact that I was the last submitter of the draft to review, the script put the message on my talk page, saying that the draft had been accepted and was Class C. So did I really do that? I guess yes and no. There is also a similar message accepting one of your plants, but that is for a stub. Does that tell you more than you wanted to know? Robert McClenon (talk) 18:41, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant “song article” Beatleswillneverdie (talk) 04:12, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Song article

Is there anyway that nirvana books like “Nirvana: The Recording Sessions” be used as a reference for this article. I’ve seen it been used on other nirvana song articles. Beatleswillneverdie (talk) 04:11, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Beatleswillneverdie - I suggest that you ask at the Teahouse, but I see two separate questions. The first is whether Nirvana books can be used as references. The second is whether a particular song satisfies a musical notability criterion. The two questions are not directly related. Beyond that, I would ask at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:26, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Request on 20:51:38, 26 March 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Markomarkovic1980

• Markomarkovic1980 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Nemanja Jovanovic (basketball) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Robert, I would like to see what is the issue of not accepting the article for Nemanja Jovanovic. I see that you refer to Notability for sports but there also exists part for College athletes https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:NCOLLATH&redirect=no which can be applied in this case as Nemanja is part of NCAA team staff. The article is somewhat similar to this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogdan_Karai%C4%8Di%C4%87 and if this one is accepted I don't see the reason for not accepting Nemanja, too. Thanks for the review and I hope you'll accept this additional explanation. Best regards, Marko

Markomarkovic1980 (talk) 20:51, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Markomarkovic1980 - College athletic notability guidelines essentially say that the subject should meet general notability guidelines. If you think that he meets general notability guidelines, explain on the draft talk page, and resubmit. I would suggest asking the advice of other editors at the Teahouse. If they think that he is notable, I will accept. I am not really interested in whether other college coaches are listed, because that is known as Other Stuff Exists, and maybe the other stuff should be deleted, or maybe it should be kept. So I suggest discussing at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:44, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

I have added it on the teahouse Beatleswillneverdie (talk) 23:39, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

I have added it to the tea house Beatleswillneverdie (talk) 23:40, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Gallons of Rubbing Alcohol Flow Through the Strip

I have been told by other editors that a song article can be notable if the references are good. I have done more research and found books and other websites explaining the origin of the song. Please check it out and see if it is good to resubmit. Beatleswillneverdie (talk

User:Beatleswillneverdie - I suggest that we discuss at the Teahouse. My reading of the guidelines is that a song is normally considered notable if the song satisfies the special notability guidelines by having charted. Discuss at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:34, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Information Services Group Draft

I was going through some public company pages and noticed you were the last editor to review this page (Draft:Information Services Group) and saw that it was a public company that could use some cleaning up. I think the subject meets WP:N with the citations that have been added to the page but it has been under review for a long time. Is there any way you could re-assess the page when you have a moment? Edproms (talk) 13:59, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Edproms - I have reviewed the revised draft briefly, and it does not appear to be a significant improvement. I can either decline it again or leave it for another reviewer. There is a myth in Wikipedia about references. The myth is that any draft will be accepted if enough references are added to it. References are a necessary but not a sufficient condition for the acceptance of a draft. If you want the opinions of other reviewers, you can ask at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:49, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Recovery of my sandbox

I understand that you have rejected the submission from my sandbox. I understand most reasons for your decision. I do not understand why the info in my sandbox has been erased -- this does not make sense to me if I want to improve the text. Can you reinstate the sandbox content? David.Tomanek (talk) 14:28, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

User:David.Tomanek - I did not remove content from your sandbox. I moved your sandbox to Draft:David Tománek. It is still there. Your sandbox has a link to the draft, so that you can either go from your sandbox to the draft, or do something else with your sandbox. The draft will remain at Draft:David Tománek but may be subject to normal editing. Does that answer your question? Robert McClenon (talk) 15:34, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Grades and guilds

Evolutionary grades and ecological guilds. A grade is a paraphyletic group of organisms that lack the innovations of a derived group. For example fish are a grade, lacking the legs of tetrapods. Herptiles are a grade, lacking the hair and homeothermy of mammals, and the feathers, wings and homeothermy of birds. Non-bat, non-cetacean mammals could be seen as a grade, though anthropocentrism gets in the way of that. Green algae are a grade, lacking the derived features of land plants. A guild is a collection of species with similar ecological roles, such as a carnivore guild, a browser guild, a grazer guild, a scavenger guild, and so on. Algae in general can be seen as a guild of photosynthetic organisms. Lavateraguy (talk) 19:25, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Lavateraguy - Thanks. Ok. A guild is people or organisms who do the same work. A grade is what you pass thru in school or evolution. McClenon mobile (talk) 23:26, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Recheck my draft

Please recheck the draft I have created. I have put way more references that are both reliable and good. Please check out Draft:Gallons of Rubbing Alcohol Flow Through the Strip. Beatleswillneverdie (talk)

Gallons of Rubbing Alcohol

User:Beatleswillneverdie: Here is a long partial answer. First, as I noted above to another editor, there is a myth in Wikipedia about references. The myth is that any draft will be accepted if enough references are added to it, or the right references. References are a necessary but not a sufficient condition for acceptance of a draft. The first part of my conclusion is that the track does not satisfy musical notability because it has not charted or satisfied another of the criteria for inclusion. The second part of my conclusion is that the track does not appear to satisfy general notability. Any argument that you make for acceptance of the draft should be based on general notability, because I think that it fails musical notability. I personally do not want to try to evaluate whether a song track passes general notability based on added references.

However, second, since you are being so persistent, I am willing to do either of two things for you. I advised you to discuss the rejection with other editors before resubmitting. You have chosen to persist in asking me. I am willing, the first option, just to get you to stop bothering me, to remove the Rejection from the draft and allow you to resubmit it and have another editor review it. I do not plan to review it again. My guess is that another editor will decline or reject it, but you can try.

The second option is that I am willing, based on your request, and on your opinion, and not my review or judgment, to move the draft into article space, without offering my opinion as to whether it will pass a deletion discussion. If you ask me to accept your draft without a review, I will accept your draft without a review. It is likely to be nominated for deletion. In that case, I am willing to remain neutral in a deletion discussion.

Do you want me to remove the Rejection and let another reviewer review it when they are ready? Do you want me to remove the Rejection and move it into article space (accept the draft) based on your request, without reviewing it myself? Your call. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:16, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

I am going to go for the second option. Beatleswillneverdie (talk)

Done. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:30, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Resolving issues with the k6 article

Hi Robert,

Thank you for reviewing our submission!

I'd argue that testguild.com definitely is a noteworthy independent source, as it is one of the top resources in the software testing space. There are also a lot of other third-party references in the article, including an article in the "Computer Standards & Interfaces" journal.

What kind of source is it that you think is lacking, exactly? I would love to assist in digging up more resources, but I personally think this should be good enough?

Thanks in advance and best regards,

Simon Simon Aronsson (talk) 14:51, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Simon Aronsson - I will try to research this within 24 hours, but it would help if you would identify the article. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:30, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Robert McClenon Sure! The draft article is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:K6, and just to give some additional "meat":

- Ref 5, testguild.com is very well-considered in the software testing space, and, at least in my opinion, counts as a credible third-party source.

- Ref 13 is a study of scalable rest applications published in the journal "Computer Standards & Interfaces" where k6 was one of two tools used, which has since been quoted in an article on wiley.com

Also, I just want to be transparent with that both I and the original draft submitter work for Load Impact, the company providing the open-source stewardship for the k6 project. This is also the reason why we we submitted to the AfC. Simon Aronsson (talk) 16:43, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

A gentle reminder :) Simon Aronsson (talk) 12:04, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Simon Aronsson - I have not reviewed the sources for the draft in depth. The draft reads as if it is written from the company's viewpoint, which is expected because it is being written from the company's viewpoint. I have not reviewed the sources, but the draft does not convince me of the need to review the sources in depth. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:25, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Robert McClenon Thank you for taking time to go over the article! I fully agree with your feedback and has since removed the content that came across as pitchy and rewrote the rest aiming for a significantly more neutral tone. I've also re-submitted the article for review. Simon Aronsson (talk) 10:55, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

How can I proceed with this declined article?

Hi Rober McClennon,

Thank you you have read and commented on the Brand activism draft I did. (here is the draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Brand_activism?fbclid=IwAR0u5fzm8wvFjtD_Xb-3ZVAFNwSVxsG63w65YPRSpseUFORCN7gtJb8MKJ8 ) I see the draft is declined, for it looks similar to the Consumer activism article, but they are completely different concepts.

While Consumer activism focuses on consumption and how goods or services are produced and delivered, Brand activism is a marketing and business management process by which businesses concern for the communities they serve and the world we live in.

Consumer activism seeks to change the way in which goods or services are produced in order to make the production process safer, more ethical, more environmentally friendly, etc.

Brand activism seeks to change society's biggest problem (such as economic injustice, education, healthcare, immigration etc. issues), using the economic power of the business. The Brand activism claims that today for the companies is not enough to offer good product and price, but they have to understand the long-term needs of the society and to solve global problems as economic problems, regulations, corruption, global warming, discrimination, education, healthcare, and etc. using the economic power they possess.

Can you, please, give me advice on how to proceed? Thanks, Ivan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivan gurkov (talk • contribs) 15:02, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Ivan gurkov - I will respond within 24 hours. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:30, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Ivan gurkov - Here are my initial comments, and I may comment further. First, I didn't decline your article. As you know, User:WikiAviator did. I disagree with both you and WikiAviator. On the one hand, I agree that you have made a case that brand activism is not the same as consumer activism, and so I think that WikiAviator was too quick to decline your draft, in particular after I had said that the evaluation should focus on the differences. However, you aren't likely to make any friends with the AFC reviewers by being too quick to give a trout to the one with whom you disagree. You are asking multiple reviewers for help. They may notice that you were quick to put a big fish on the talk page of a reviewer. I agree that you have made the case that brand activism is not the same as consumer activism. At the same time, your draft does not have a neutral tone. It strikes me as being "in-your-face" in its support of brand activism. If brand activists are seeking to "solve the global problems", that is the sort of marketing buzzspeak I would expect to see to sell a product. The fact that you are promoting a strategy turns my level of discomfort with the phrase down from 10 to 8. So if I had reviewed your draft, I probably would have declined it for a different reason than WikiAviator. So address the tone issues. You might want to find a WikiProject that will help you work on the draft. If you want advice in finding a WikiProject, the Teahouse would be a good place to start. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:32, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: Thanks, but I still doubt if solving global problems is part of corporate social responsibility. Honestly I've never heard of the term in this draft, so I suspect if this is made up of. Also, apologies that I have to review in breakneck speed due to a busy real life, so sometimes I don't list out all the reason, if I find one reason, I decline it right away unless there are so many problems that I'm not comfortable if I don't tell the author. Sorry for that. However, this article is still a duplicate. Regarding the trout, I don't mind people trouting me but this is not used in the right occasion.

Sizzle! The trout you used to slap another Wikipedian has been gutted, roasted over the coals, and served with tartar sauce. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that, just like the trout in this picture, your trouting of Wikipedians is overdone.

Happy editing for both of you! WikiAviator (talk) 01:35, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Robert McClendon Robert, thank you for your advice on more facts and a neutral tone. It will really help me write better. As for trout, I never knew it was too daring to use. I assumed it was normal functionality, I apologize to WikiAviator for using it hastily. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ivan gurkov (talk • contribs) 03:37, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Comment about Wikipedian reputation and small request

You wrote me a comment at 15:43, but already at 16:57 you closed the discussion. Isn't a Dispute resolution noticeboard meant for discussion?)) David_Gerard is cunning when he says that he doesn’t know about Insilico's CEO Alex Zhavoronkov. He initiated the removal of the article about this scientist in 2017. Did I expect any help from David?))

I’m very surprised by your behavior. Why do you not want to check the sources and text style of my draft and suggest corrections for it? I insist on checking my version because it was written on WSJ- or Science-level sources. It's unlikely that anyone will find sources better than these.

My persistence is my character, 🙃 it's not about paid editing. In fact, if your employer needs it, Wikipedia doesn't need it. – non my case. My contract says that I get paid for creating a draft for Wikipedia, and not for publishing and saving the article. But I’m sure that all editors – volunteers or affiliates – should follow Wikipedia rules in the same way. Now my situation looks like discrimination (but I understand that this is caution).

It’s unpleasant for me that people look at my work through prejudice. I have a review-flagg in Russian Wikipedia, I'm a true Wikipedia pop-scientist and tutor, I assist in investigations against unscrupulous editors. The quality of Google translator allows you to easily check this. Why should my word weigh less than the word of David_Gerard? (This is a rhetorical question, no need to answer.)

I want a substantive discussion about draft quality, and not about my paid editing. Please help me phrase a request to the community at the Teahouse. --Birulik (talk) 21:13, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Birulik - Look up discrimination and discriminate between sense 1 and sense 3. We do discriminate between paid editing and volunteer editing. Discrimination is only considered invidious discrimination when it is based on suspect categories. The employment status of an editor is a category for which we are allowed to discriminate, that is, make a distinction. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:46, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm a new person in an established community, English is not my native language, I openly support what most users oppose. This is not like an equal condition for me and you. And you know that your position is stronger now. Don't tell me that this is not discrimination in its general sense. 💁‍♀️ If you want to argue about lexical meanings then let's go into my language – I will continue with pleasure.))--Birulik (talk) 11:49, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Neither I nor any other editor are required to check a draft in detail. Besides, you didn't ask me to check your draft, and so you shouldn't fault me for not volunteering to check your draft. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:46, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Dispute resolution noticeboard was created to solve issues. You have taken the responsibility to sum up the disputes therefore you must understand the essence of the problem, in my case – to check a draft in detail. You didn't do it yourself and didn't let other people join when you closed the discussion. Please do not engage in discussions where you are not ready to help, especially because of prejudices.--Birulik (talk) 11:49, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

I don't think that you need help in formulating a request at the the Teahouse for advice.

I will reply to your request in more detail within 48 hours. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:46, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

OK. This is an honest answer.--Birulik (talk) 11:49, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

• From the claims she makes on her user page and her user data (all projects), Birulik is hardly a new user. Her English is excellent and her suggestion to continue this discussion in another language is very inappropriate. Her comments at Talk:Insilico Medicine are borderline inflammatory and/or personal attacks at David_Gerard whom she also accuses here of being 'cunning'. FWIW, I concur with David's removal of all the promo-speak and McClennon's DRN closure. Wikipedia volunteers are not here to provide WP:BOGOF or any other assistance to editors who use Wikipedia to earn money. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:35, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
  • I mostly agree with User:Kudpung, but will comment on his comment on her suggestion to continue the discussion in Russian. It was not inappropriate, but sarcastic, and, on the Internet, nobody knows that you are being sarcastic. She was correct in noting that I was parsing the meanings of an English word to a degree of precision that requires en-5, and she is at en-4, and her English is better than that of some Americans. (It is probably also better than that of some Britons.) I saw a sarcastic humor in her comment about lexical meanings and languages. I agree that her comments about User:David Gerard were uncivil. I will also note that she is changing the nature of her request at DRN after the fact from a request for mediation to a request to review a draft, and that DRN is not a forum for requesting review of a draft. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:52, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
• All my opponents make personal complaints about me and my choice of work instead of formally discussing claims to the text on three discussion pages. I see we are done here.))--Birulik (talk) 20:41, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
  • User:Birulik - You may publish a Request for Comments to ask the community to choose between your proposed text of Insilico Medicine and the current text. At least User:David Gerard and User:Kudpung have reviewed your proposed version of the article and have stated that they prefer the existing version. They are not required to comment in detail on your version. It is unfortunate that you choose to characterize editors with whom you disagree about article content as your opponents, but that is your designation; I did not see them identify you as an opponent. Again, RFC appears to be the most appropriate way to resolve the content of the article. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:32, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Being basically retired now, I'm personally disinclined to actively do anything about it (in any case, I don't have the tools anymore), but the user, IMO, is using their user page to advertise a paid service: ' In 2019 I co-founded slovo.media digital consultancy that does paid editing among its services for notable companies and people. ' slovo.media is precisely one of 'those' agencies. Perhaps Doc James should also take a look. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:35, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Comparing the "difficulties" paid editors potentially experience to those potentially faces by LTBTQ is not appropriate.

Paid editors can go through an RfC for their proposed content if needed. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:52, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Wonje (monk)

• Google Search, Youtube Search: [1], [2]
• JoongAng Ilbo: [3]
• Chosun Ilbo[4], [5]
• DongA Ilbo: [6]

thank you. Choikwangmo9 (talk) 23:14, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Choikwangmo9 - It would be a good idea to provide a correct rather than an incorrect link when providing a URL Dump. You have not answered anything. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:36, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

I left 'dump' since u claimed that those references in the article was not enough. Choikwangmo9 (talk) 01:12, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Deletion review (2nd nomination)

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Request on 10:19:09, 1 April 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by 210.6.22.101

• 210.6.22.101 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Jiri Prochazka (martial artist) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi. Has there been any update to this yet?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jiri_Prochazka_(martial_artist)

I have submitted the reason. Rizin is an international tier 1 Organization. It is not consistent that many One FC fighters get a wiki page while Rizin fighters don't

Also this fighter has signed with the UFC now and will eventually achieve the fight requirement with a tier 1 organization anyway

210.6.22.101 (talk) 10:19, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Galerie Chalette

This is just a quick thank you for walking through with the Galerie Chalette article to ensure that the process was correct.

I consider that I'm doing work in a challenging area of Wikipedia--late 20th c artists and their milieu--still a lot of living egos and copyright issues. Thus important for me to get up to speed quickly on Wikipedia standards/expectations. User:Jpbowen was extremely helpful in getting me oriented. But I appreciate also your overlook of the situation. Sicklemoon (talk) 15:16, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

drat

some people just lack a sense of humor. --Deep fried okra User talk:Deepfriedokra 17:07, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Deepfriedokra Or they lack the okra, or they lack the sunflower oil to mix with the coffee to deep-fry the okra and they can't use peanut oil because it contains an allergen. Or they are in Guam and think it's tomorrow. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:34, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Deepfriedokra - I hadn't yet seen the Speedy Keep. They weren't in Guam. They should have made the okra into coffee, but that wouldn't have done any good because okra-coffee lacks the caffeine. Yuck. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:58, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Coffee gives life. Coffee is life. --Deep fried okra User talk:Deepfriedokra 23:20, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, User:Deepfriedokra. But we are referring to real Coffea arabica, not a substitute made from okra. And some people still have no sense of humor. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:54, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Request on 16:34:50, 2 April 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by 178.157.253.238

• 178.157.253.238 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Apink BnN (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I was told my Draft Apink BnN won’t be posted, and I still don’t understand why? I don’t understand what Robert meant by “discuss” how can I discuss before submissing178.157.253.238 (talk) 16:34, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Re: AfC notification: Draft:Return to Dark Tower has a new comment

Hey there. Thank you for your comment on the draft page. I've written dozens of articles throughout my thirteen years on Wikipedia, though I admit this is the first board game article I drafted. I was wondering, do board games receive the same treatment as films and video games, where if the pretense of their development is notable enough, articles may be warranted ahead of time? For example, I wrote the articles for Dota 2 and The Vanishing of Sidney Hall, which held up, as they had enough momentum from their genesis, over a year before their releases. In your opinion, would a board game - which amounts to a toy - hold up for notability, if it's the sequel to a highly-popular board game, was designed by the creators of the #1 and #2 most-popular modern board games and raised $4 million on Kickstarter? I'm interested in your opinion, as board games seem to be an under-developed quadrant of Wikipedia and an article of this medium is a new experience for me. DÅRTHBØTTØ _(T•C) 18:56, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

User:DarthBotto - Well, there is a disconnect between policy and practice. At least for films, the notability guideline for future films discourages articles on unreleased films unless the production is itself notable. There are editors who think that any discussion of the production of the film is sufficient to establish notability, but that is not what the guideline says. As a result, unreleased films can be contentious. I don't see any specific guideline that says that unreleased video games are or are not notable, other than based on significant coverage. However, the gaming press may give significant coverage to games in development. I would prefer not to cover video games or board games in production based on the crystal ball rule, but I may be in a minority. I think that board games and video games should get similar treatment, because I don't see any difference in the guidelines, or any specific reason to treat them differently from each other. I would still prefer not to see separate articles on films that are in production unless there has been coverage of the production in general newspapers, and would prefer to see them mentioned in the articles on their directors, but that is only my opinion. One of my concerns about unreleased films is that I see undisclosed paid editing to publicize the films. Other editors may disagree with me. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:51, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

You raise some valid points and it makes me think that there should be further development of Wikipedia policy for art mediums. Around the bend is yet another hotly-anticipated board game in the form of Frosthaven - the sequel to the #1 modern video game, Gloomhaven. With what you've written in mind, I'll refrain from writing an article on that until further notice. Because there are so many unanswered questions and under-developed facets of Wikipedia's coverage of board games, it's nearly impossible to identify a proper formula for writing board game articles. DÅRTHBØTTØ _(T•C) 18:26, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Rostrevor Old Collegians FC

Hello, Robert McClenon. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Rostrevor Old Collegians FC".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! UnitedStatesian (talk) 19:19, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

User:UnitedStatesian - Huh. Twinkle strikes again. I assume that I moved it from a sandbox to draft space and probably declined it. Huh. As long as the real creator is notified, okay. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:13, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Ralph Weber

While the disambiguation page Ralph Weber didn't appear to qualify for speedy deletion under WP:CSD#G14, I accomplished the same effect by moving Ralph Weber (skier) to Ralph Weber. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 00:32, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Metropolitan90 - Thank you. It doesn't matter how we get to the result in this case. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:39, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Drtcgoel page rejection

Dear Robert, Thank you for reviewing the page I created so promptly. I apologize in advance for my mistake. I am new to Wikipedia. This is my first attempt to create a page. I thought it would be better to write an article on Dr T C Goel but hadn't realised that creating a page as "him" would prove to be a disadvantage. This is not an autobiography as I am not Dr T C Goel. He doesn't work on computer and works non-electronically. I am a person who heard good things about him and researching at all his work, books, research and awards he has accumulated, I thought he should get a mention in Wikipedia. All the references I have mentioned are reliable sources: KG Medical University website, Pubmed PMID, ORCID, ISBN numbers for his books and Times of India (a reputed news website). His other awards are local so I did not mention in the wiki as I have no reliable references to support them. Please reconsider this page and if you still think that it is not worthy, then please advise me how to make it better as this man surely deserves a mention in this knowledge base. Many thanks for your help in this matter and look forward to (hopefully) a positive response. Kind regards, Drtcgoel (talk) 17:09, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Drtcgoel - Please ask for advice at the Teahouse. If you are not T.C. Goel, then your user ID is incorrect, because your user ID is that of a real person. If you are not T.C. Goel, you need to change your username. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:31, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Request on 23:16:50, 6 April 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by MELDS212

• MELDS212 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Gamut (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello Mr. McClenon, hope you're well! I've submitted my draft, Gamut, twice for your review and I truly appreciate your feedback. I'm quite new to the Wikipedia space so I'm here asking for your editing expertise to avoid wasting your time when I submit my third draft. I understand you've raised questions over Conflict of Interest, which I've now addressed on my User Page. Draft content wise, I was wondering if you have any suggestions on ways to improve the article? For my next submission, I plan on adding a new section to elaborate on the OTT (over-the-top) media industry since it's a new, and niche topic that I'm deeply interested in. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated, thank you. MELDS212 (talk) 23:16, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

MELDS212 (talk) 23:16, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

User:MELDS212 - First, I do not normally advise conflict of interest editors in detail. Second, what is over-the-top media? Your draft doesn't say, and that is a lack of context. Third, some of the editors at the Teahouse may be willing to give advice to paid editors (although some of them are hostile to paid editors). Robert McClenon (talk) 00:43, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Sorry about that

Please ignore the speedy deletion notice. Most of the Tahiri draft is a copyvio so I'm tagging box the sandbox and the draft for deletion. Best, GPL93 (talk) 16:26, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

User:GPL93 - I think that you are in the wrong place now. What Tahiri draft? What speedy deletion notice? We know that we agree that copyvio should be deleted. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:07, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

After you moved User:Y.tahiri/sandbox to Draft:Youssef Tahiri, User:Y.tahiri wrote over the redirect with the same draft. When I tagged it under G12 a speedy notice went to your talk page (which I deleted) instead of to Y.tahiri's. Sorry about the confusion. Best, GPL93 (talk) 17:49, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

User:GPL93 - Yuck. It's a mess. It needs getting rid of. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:59, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thanks for the invite to the treehouse! Eric0892 (talk) 18:00, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Medicine opened

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Draft:Comic_Con_Liverpool Request on 10:19:46, 08 April 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Surflou

• Surflou (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Comic Con Liverpool (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi User:Robert McClenon, thank you for your comment on my submission of Draft:Comic_Con_Liverpool, can you tell me what information you might need to satisfy the notority query? I can tell you that the event has been agreed to stay in place with the venue for the next 10 years? The footfall has risen from 8000 in 2018 to over 28,000 in 2020 and popularity on social media and website stats show a continuation and a rise in interest. Prior to this company taking over, Comic Con Liverpool has been an annual event since 2015, first run by MCM then Monopoly Events since 2018. They are also notorious for displaying a large selection of props and sets which no other convention in the UK does. Surflou (talk) 20:35, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Surflou (talk) 10:19, 08 April 2020 (GMT)

Sullivans

"the author of the draft does not appear to have been the author of the article that you deleted"

Maybe not, but the two pages were character-for-character identical. One account had edits going back a few years, the other had no edits except for the draft. We'll see what Woerich says. DS (talk) 23:17, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

User:DragonflySixtyseven - As I said. The author of the draft does not appear to have been the author of the article. I didn't see that it was Woerich, but I saw that there was a new account, and that the deleted article was not by that account. They do not appear to be the same author. Either one human using two personae, or one human ripping off the work of another human, or something. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:00, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi all, where are you finding the other Michael G. Sullivan article? I am unable to find it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by K.L.Neigel (talk • contribs) 01:47, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

User:DragonflySixtyseven - You can see the deleted edits. You know which account ripped it off from the other account. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:57, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

User:K.L.Neigel - It no longer exists. If you really don't know what happened, then that is an interesting story about the copying of what may be a story. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:57, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Your draft was created at 11:10 AM; user:Woerich created an identical version as an article at 11:12 AM. Woerich has been around long enough that we expect him to have some sort of idea of what he's doing. Are you saying that there's no connection between you and Woerich? DS (talk) 03:02, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

I do not have any connection to Woerich. I am a new user to wikipedia, and the Michael Sullivan article was my first draft submission. — Preceding unsigned comment added by K.L.Neigel (talk • contribs) 03:06, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi User:Robert McClenon, it appears user:Woerich copied this article from the draft and made it into an article. User:DragonflySixtyseven has helped me re-write the article, can you please look it over and see if you have any further recommendations. Note I was required for a course to write a Wikipedia article on a leading Canadian conservation biologist. I chose Michael Sullivan as he is very well known within the fisheries world as one of the main biologists who helped recover Alberta's walleye populations. While I have never met Dr. Sullivan, I did send him an email to his publically available government email to ask him a few questions to assist me in writing the biography for the course. He is not my professor. I hope this helps clarify things.

I apologize if I was not following wikipedia standards, this is my first article/draft and I am still learning.

Thank you for your help, User:K.L.Neigel —Preceding undated comment added 20:13, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

User:K.L.Neigel - User:DragonflySixtyseven is an administrator and an experienced editor. If you have worked with DS to improve the draft and they are satisfied with it, then I am satisfied with it. I will comment that I disapprove of academic assignments involving Wikipedia. Too often the instructor makes demands of the students that they have no control over, and this results in the students asking the Wikipedia community to relax Wikipedia's standards in order to allow them to pass a course, when the problem is that the instructor is simply completely wrong. Sullivan does appear to satisfy academic notability. If DS is satisfied, I am satisfied. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:52, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Matthew Kaminski

Thank you for reviewing the article I submitted on Matthew Kaminski. Matthew Kaminski has been the Atlanta Braves organist for 11 years. Before that they used recordings. He has developed a body of work that is used by many baseball teams that can no longer afford an organist. He is one of a handful of baseball organists in the US today. Most baseball venues use taped music. Although he is based in Metro Atlanta he drives to several universities and is well known to over 10 million people who hear him when games are broadcast. Would it be better if I didn't list him as a musician? There is another Matthew Kaminski who edits Politico which is why I added musician. Maybe a polka playing peripatetic organist does not on the article's face seem notable, but he truly is notable to the many millions who hear him during baseball season. I will try and add some more articles.Kmccook (talk) 12:09, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Kmccook - The draft on Kaminski should make its own case for notability, which can be either musical notability or general notability. You may explain on the draft talk page, Draft talk:Matthew Kaminski. The discussion of notability should not be on my user talk page. I see that your draft had described Kaminski as a musician, and then that was taken out of the title, and then I put that back into the title, so that is not the issue. Please make the case for notability in the draft and its own talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:52, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm Sorry

I'm sorry if I was a jerk for the past few days. I have just been going through a lot. I promise that this will not happen again. Thanks.Beatleswillneverdie (talk)

Deletion of Draft:Andrew Naimanye

Hello, just to let you know that I have deleted all material related to Draft:Andrew Naimanye from my sandboxes and userspace. The material is of no use to me at this time. The person I was trying to help using this material has disappeared. Just for your information. Tank you. Fsmatovu (talk) 07:35, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Fsmatovu - Okay. Please do not try to use Wikipedia to help people find work, and do not use Wikipedia to help your family, friends, or acquaintances do anything other than improve the encyclopedia. Wikipedia is not a social network. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:00, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

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Olivier Varenne

Hello, You disapproved the original Wikipedia page for Olivier Varenne. I was employed to renew, update and give the proper citations and information requested. Could you please let me know if you can approve it now? With thanks Ruby Rubyocean (talk) 08:30, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Rubyocean - Who employed you? Are you editing Wikipedia in the course of your employment? Read the conflict of interest policy and make any required disclosure. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:33, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi

Why DID YOU decline Son Chaeyoung From Twice Wiki?She’s so talented and did so much for that group. ArmyGurl1 (talk) 08:41, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

User:ArmyGurl1 - You are asking me about Draft:Chaeyoung. Individual notability of a member of a musical group is based on significant coverage of the individual in secondary sources separately from that of the group. If you think that she has had that coverage, please discuss it at Draft talk:Chaeyoung or at Talk:Twice (group). You may ask for the comments of other reviewers about individual coverage of members of groups at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:37, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

IOTA (technology) draft

Hi Robert. Re this diff: the reference error was actually introduced inadvertently by one of our new AfC reviewers. I have fixed it; it was a bit fiddly, and not something that the submitter should have to cope with. On that basis, unless I am missing something, could your comment be withdrawn? The text in the Referror template seems rather severe? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 20:32, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Curb Safe Charmer - If the reviewer introduced it, the reviewer can fix it, and I will pull the comment. That template probably is harsh for that draft, and is meant for cruddy drafts. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:45, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of User:StevenLassalle/sandbox

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A tag has been placed on User:StevenLassalle/sandbox, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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User:Dan arndt - It wasn't my draft. I was moving it to draft space and was about to decline it and you declined and tagged it first. Oh well. Twinkle did also notify the real originator. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:23, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Robert you were too quick for me. You moved it at the same time I was requesting it being speedily deleted. No harm - no foul. Good work with the AfC assessment. Dan arndt (talk) 03:30, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank You

Dear Editor Thank you for your valuable review. Thoufiq313 (talk) 05:39, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Clarifying

Although user:Abhibedi999 does indeed have a conflict of interest, they are not being paid; rather, they are one of Dr. Johnson's students, and writing about her as an assignment.

I've trimmed the draft some more; have another look? DS (talk) 18:52, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

User:DragonflySixtyseven - The matter is now being discussed at WP:ANI, and the nature of the conflict of interest does change things. If you have trimmed the draft, then you can be the neutral experienced editor whom I was looking for. Did Johnson assign her students to write about her? If so, that is a different questionable practice. We can discuss with User:DGG and others at WP:ANI. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:19, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

I find it quite likely that Dr. Johnson assigned one of her doctoral students to write a Wikipedia article about her, yes, although I have no proof. DS (talk) 19:36, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

So I thought myself, though I decided not to say it. DGG ( talk ) 20:33, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Well, the beans essay says that there are certain undesirable behaviors that we don't have a guideline against, either because we don't need to have a rule, or because it would only give people ideas. I think that this is another variety of beans. Don't stuff white beans up your nose. Don't put kidney beans in your ears. Don't assign your students to write your BLP, and then they won't mention beans in it. Don't feed magic beans to the goat after you have sold the cow; if you do, as the technical manuals used to say, results are unpredictable. Ratatoskr might run down the stalk and tell you fake news. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:30, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

• RE [7]

When you are so annoyed, you should get up, go for a walk, make a cup of tea, something like that, but NOT BITE the newcomer. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 00:06, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Ignored with a Diet Coke. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:05, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Ok i have understood, no offence,but as u know it's abit frustrating. That said, am afraid the same fate awaits my draft Alum Sandra ogwang Santa because I created it 3 days ago it's awaiting review. Advise me, is it better if i created articles directly in the main space and not submitting them as crafts for review. Thanks, kind regards Alvinategyeka (talk) 05:34, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Ok i have understood, no offence,but as u know it's abit frustrating. That said, am afraid the same fate awaits my draft Alum Sandra ogwang Santa because I created it 3 days ago it's awaiting review. Advise me, is it better if i created articles directly in the main space and not submitting them as crafts for review. Thanks, kind regards Alvinategyeka (talk) 05:42, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

CodeLaunch: Startup Accelerator

Hi Robert,

I received this response from you regarding a declined article for submission:

"User:Chascal - First, do you have a conflict of interest? Are you being paid by CodeLaunch? (If not, why are you working so hard to get the article accepted?) Second, you have reference-bombed the draft, by adding a very large number of low-quality sources. There is a myth that, since sources are required in Wikipedia, adding more sources is what needs to be done to get an article accepted. Sources are necessary but not sufficient. You can always find low-quality sources, but you cannot make a non-notable subject notable by adding low-quality sources. That is a myth. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:07, 16 April 2020 (UTC)"

In response - No. I have no conflict of interest nor am I being paid by CodeLaunch. My motivation is purely to provide information. There is no personal gain or promotional intent in my attempt to get this article published.

As for the reference-bombing, I wanted to ensure that there were adequate third-party references on the topic to validate its inclusion. I was not aware of the term "reference-bombed" or that this was in any violation of Wikipedia policy until just now but I appreciate the clarification. I can certainly remove some of the lesser quality sources if that would be of any help.

I would like to know what modifications or methods I could implement to increase the chances this article gets published.

I look forward to your response.

Thank you,

Lucy Achiro

For real am disappointed, I created my article draft; Lucy Achiro 2 days ago. As it waited to be reviewed, another editor made the same article but in the main space. Now you have rejected mine, just because It took long before it could be reviewed. Is this fair? Am really out of energy because this is the 2nd time this is happening, I created Nasiyo kamugo and as I was waiting for it to reviewed, another editor does exactly the same but in the main space, that's how mine was rejected! For real is it a crime not to create an article directly? Kind regards Alvinategyeka (talk) 05:06, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Alvinategyeka - I didn't reject your draft. I advised that the information in your draft can be merged with the article. If you do not understand, you may ask at the Teahouse for an explanation. Wikipedia is a collaborative effort. It shouldn't be that important to have been the first of several authors of an article. Maybe someone can explain. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:21, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Can this move hurt anything at the WP:DRN?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_talk:Gadget-DRN-wizard.js#Requested_move_1_April_2020
(asking for a move of MediaWiki:Gadget-DRN-wizard.js → MediaWiki:DRN-wizard.js

This move appears ready for an admin to carry out, but I wonder if it is technically sound. Do you know? -EdJohnston (talk) 22:03, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

User:EdJohnston - What is that meant to do? Is it meant to fix an annoying bug in the display of the list of DRN cases? Will it cause a red tide in the Nile that causes frogs to swarm? If so, there will be four more problems caused by the insects that the frogs had been eating. Who is proposing it? My thinking is to go ahead and do it, and if it breaks something, the something can be fixed, but that is just my thinking. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:19, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

No idea. It got listed at WP:RMTR so now it's a problem for some admin to solve. I punted it over to the interface administrators since a regular admin can't do it. EdJohnston (talk) 22:57, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Shenandoah salamander (April 18)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Robert McClenon was: Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

• If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Shenandoah salamander and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
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Robert McClenon (talk) 23:21, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Robert McClenon! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Robert McClenon (talk) 23:21, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Scott Disick draft page feedback

Hi Robert, Thank you for the feedback and for taking the time to review my Draft:Scott Disick. One question I have regarding your feedback is that you stated the sources were only passing mentions. This simply is not true. I cited more than 100 sources in this article, and while some of them do contain passing mentions, many do not. I included the pages with passing mentions because I felt they still revealed details about Disick, not to clog the page. I understand that you do not want to look through 100 sources to find the most notable ones, so I'm hoping I can show you some of the sources that are not passing mentions:

• Chicago Tribune
• E! News
• Architectural Digest
• People
• HuffPost
• Hollywood Reporter
• Los Angeles Times
• TMZ

I'm not trying to explain the rules to you, as I know you're familiar, so please don't take this that way; however, notability is not temporary WP:NTEMP, and the most recent community consensus for Scott Disick was to allow a new draft. You can find at least two other editors (alongside myself) who have commented on the main page talk page requesting that an article be made for this subject, and an additional discussion on Talk:Kourtney Kardashian. I believe he meets WP:ENT parts one and two. He has been a main cast member in more than 140 episodes of Keeping Up with the Kardashians. Since the last discussion, he has started his own show on E!Network without the Kardashians and has guest starred on a number of other shows. Even though Kourtney Kardashian, where the main page redirects to currently, has left Keeping Up with the Kardashians, Disick has continued to star on the show and is considered a main casts member with his own plotlines separate from her. In reference to point two of WP:ENT, he has a large fan base (23.5 million Instagram followers; 6.8 million Twitter followers - more than Adam Sandler, Gwen Stefani, the White House, etc.). Finally, the current redirect does not make sense, because he is no longer dating Kourtney Kardashian. He also meets WP:GNG, because he has significant coverage (which a quick Google search will show).

I already asked at the Teahouse, and they suggested I bring it here. Thanks again for taking the time to help out with this. I'm willing to look at next steps if the above is not enough, but I have never worked with a SALTed article before. Mukedits (talk) 17:27, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Mukilteoedits - Well, I will look at the thread at the Teahouse, but I disagree with the advice to discuss on my user talk page. (However, I agree with asking for advice at the Teahouse.) I disagree with discussing acceptance of an article on a reviewer's talk page, because an article should speak for itself, and should not be accepted or declined based on a side conversation. I will also take a look at the Deletion Review. Where else has there been discussion? Robert McClenon (talk) 19:39, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Robert McClenon Thanks for the response. There is a short discussion on Talk:Scott Disick. The Teahouse did not suggest that I discuss this on your page, but I am unsure what to improve, since it appears to me that you did not approve it based primarily on previous AfD discussions. The Teahouse editors did tell me to point out the best sources (or it might have been the AfC discussion, I started both). Mukedits (talk) 19:42, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

They told me to bring up any questions I had about the review here on your talk page, and to show you the most relevant sources. Sorry to keep posting here, I should have collected my thoughts a bit first. Above I posted a link to the most recent discussion about Scott Disick, allowing a consensus for a new draft to be made (2019), the link is above. Mukedits (talk) 19:47, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Robert McClenon I opine AfC is fine.

How about reviewing the Draft: Aaron D. Lewis for mainspace? Corrections made. Many thanks. TheEpistle (talk) 20:11, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Change of Nomenclature from the earlier Draft entry of AlMaarefa College of Science and Technology\ to AlMaarefa University,

Sir,

I refer you to the above. I Am just an acquaintance with no conflict of interest. I would like that you alter the old name and make a permanent entry with the new name on your esteemed page.

User:Ahmed Bombosh - The draft appears to be Draft:Almaarefa College for Science and Technology. Do you want to rename the draft to Draft:Almaarefa University? Robert McClenon (talk) 06:29, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

You can ask for advice at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 06:29, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Article Review

Hello Robert McClenon. 1. The article draft Draft: Aaron D. Lewis has been well edited, I have deleted the external links, and I think the article is ready for mainspace, may you help me review it again, comment on possible changes or publish if it's up to standard. 2. I have two articles in place that I have intentions to publish; they are on murder mysteries (about Canadian Nathalie Fraser's reported murder in Cuba and reported suicide of Philadelphia's Ellen Greenburg), my investigations are almost complete with reliable sources like MSN, Inquirer, CBC and the sun. What's your advice, do I still need to go through the AfC review process, or could write directly into mainspace? Many thanks! TheEpistle (talk) 14:13, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

User:TheEpistle - I would suggest that you ask at the Teahouse whether to use the AFC review process or to go directly into mainspace. However, my observation is that a number of your pages have been either tagged for speedy deletion or draftified. I would suggest going through AFC review before the fact unless you are prepared to deal with having your pages go through AFD review after the fact. Your call, but I suggest asking for advice. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:42, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Robert McClenon, I opine AfC is just fine. How about reviewing the Draft: Aaron D. Lewis for mainspace? Corrections made. Many thanks. TheEpistle (talk) 20:14, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

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On the comment on my Incineroar article (JTZegers)

So you're basically saying that I might run the risk of getting the article replaced to that redirect you were talking about when you declined my draft? He's in Smash for the heck of it! I think he deserves this article. I'm just trying to do my best. I'm new here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JTZegers (talk • contribs) 14:19, 23 April 2020 (UTC) I had a discussion with the Pokemon wikiproject and they said that I need to make minor improvements to the article. They really want it back. JTZegers (talk) 16:21, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

User:JTZegers - I just read the discussion at WikiProject Pokémon. I don't read it as an encouragement to resubmit after minor improvements. I read it more as maybe. I don't see the brief discussion as an encouragement to resubmit, or a request that I approve it when it is resubmitted. I am not ready to approve it until more than one editor agrees. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:37, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Robert McClenon Maybe if I continue to work on it, which I am doing. JTZegers (talk) 19:16, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Dispute about edits on industrial and organizational psychology

user:Robert_McClenon, after you wrote to me, I rewrote what placed on the Dispute Resolution page. I made sure that only the i/o psychology page is referenced. My notice is right below transubstantiation. I hope that I filed correctly. If I made a mistake, please tell me what to do to correct it. Thanks. Iss246 (talk) 16:12, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Pls review Trevor Nkosi

Hi Robert

Pls review Trevor Nkosi once more ZS Khumalo (talk) 21:52, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

Notability

Hi As per the notability for actors. This particular person https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Nisha_Ravikrishnan in the article has acted in several serials whose links are provided in reference section. So,all the required references are provided as per the notability rules. Please help me out to know what else is required to be added. Happy to add all the required information such that this qualifies to be article. Cinemapremi (talk) 03:18, 26 April 2020 (UTC)Cinemapremi

Dorothy McNeil/Club Zanzibar

Please look again at the material on Dorothy McNeil and then at the existing Club Zanzibar page. The existing page is about a club in Newark (McNeil's was in Hoboken) that operated about the time that McNeil's club closed, and their roster of performers is not the same. McNeil doesn't mention the Newark club in her oral history. I have no further information about it, but they seem to be absolutely separate entities. Therefore it would be inappropriate to merge the McNeil material into the existing Club Zanzibar page as you advise. --Tarkiwi25 (talk) 06:49, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Volareo (manufacturer)

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Thank you for helping me with the Brand Activism article

Dear Robert, Thank you for your help to revise and clean up the Brand Activism article. Your guidelines for the style and structure of the article helped me a lot.  Thank you very much! Ivan Gurkov (talk)

A slice of lemon...

	A slice of lemon...
	A slice of lemon to garnish your {{trout}} for this report... Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/WikiLeviathan. Seriously, a non-existent sock spamming a non-existent article? Cabayi (talk) 09:39, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Cabayi - A combination of the inherent limitations of Twinkle and of doing advanced editing in the middle of the night. The lesson should be to leave stuff like SPIs until 1030 local time. The inherent limitation of Twinkle is that I can't preview some of the things it does to see that there are typos. The typos were omitting the unnecessary disambiguation on the name of the company, and a case error in the name of the sock account. You know that I meant well, which is why you provided a trout and a lemon rather than a templated warning. I will leave those accounts and pages alone for now. I will also inquire about whether there is a way that previewing can be done with Twinkle, since this is not the first time I have had that problem. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:00, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

What got me onto this, by the way, was another case of Twinkle confusing things, which is that on my talk page, there is a notification that Volareo (manufacturer) was tagged for A7. I had even less to do with it than with some of these oddities, because all that I had done was to move a sandbox to draft space, and then the sandbox was reused for another cruddy draft, and then that cruddy draft was tagged for deletion, and then I suspected sockpuppetry, and reported it badly in the middle of the night. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:04, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Ummm, there is some stuff in your user space that needs attention and progressing. (That's as close to subtle as I get) Cabayi (talk) 19:18, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Concealed, unless you or someone else wants to go forward with that in spite of my making a mistake on that SPI. The admin who was going to advocate for me either has taken a very long wikibreak or is ill or something. If you want to go forward, we can go forward. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:09, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Goodbye article

User:Coolmarc has proposed deletion on Goodbye and then redirected the article without proper census. The song has charted and he still says no. What do I do about this? DarklyShadows (talk)

User:DarklyShadows - I have removed the PROD because that can only be applied to an article once and is for non-controversial deletion. Maybe they don't know that that is a rule about PROD. You removed the PROD the first time, which means that you disagree, so that the deletion is controversial in the sense of requiring further discussion. The next steps are either discussion on the article talk page, or a deletion discussion. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:06, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Request on 21:41:57, 30 April 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by QuincyBalius

• QuincyBalius (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Mike Clark (conservationist) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi! You declined the draft of my article about Michael Clark and I was wondering why. Could I have assistance on how to improve it? Thank you!

QuincyBalius (talk) 21:41, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Petals by Kaija Saariaho - Article Review

Dear Mr. McClenon,

I understand that my article Draft:Petals (music) still has some room for improvement. Kaija Saariaho is one of the most prominent contemporary composers in the world (having even won a Grawemeyer Award in 2003). Because of that, any piece she writes immediately acquires relevance and notability. How can I better show such notability in the article? Furthermore, you state that my references aren't reliable yet they come from Edexcel's (and other A Level exam boards') marvelous teaching resources. Thank you in advance for your time and consideration.

--Raeshouse (talk) 22:46, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

User:Raeshouse - The article that you are asking me about is Draft:Petals (music). In the future, when asking a review or another editor about an article, please indicate the article. Please see the musical notability criteria. Not every song or composition by a notable composer is in itself notable. The composition should satisfy at least one of the musical notability criteria, or it will be redirected to the article on the composer. If you wish, we can discuss further at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:34, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Gates of Hausa kingdoms

Hello, I have make all the necessary copy edit which is needed to be done, you can review it once again, but take note, you might find the tone (dialect) entirely different from yours, this is because the Article is written in Nigerian English.--- An@ss_koko^{(speak up)} 18:29, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Ute Lotz-Heumann

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In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! Lapablo (talk) 09:28, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Lapablo - You tagged Draft:Ute Lotz-Heumann as G13, an abandoned draft. I see that the last edit that I made to that page was on 5 November 2019, which was six months ago. However, I accepted the draft, moving it from draft space into article space, because Lotz-Heumann satisfies academic notability as the occupant of a named chair. Such a chair is normally established by the gift (normally by the will) of a donor to allow a distinguished academic to continue a career consisting largely of writing or research with reduced needs for teaching duties that are funded by tuition. You tagged the redirect from draft space to article space for speedy deletion. This would only have deleted the redirect while leaving the article appropriately in place. The fact that you were able to tag the draft for deletion, when the draft was a redirect to the article, appears to be an error in how G13 is implemented. I will be inquiring about how this incorrect tagging (which would have caused only trivial harm anyway) happened. I thank you for trying to do the job of cleaning up abandoned drafts. I may have more advice for you in the next few days. It does not appear that you made a mistake; the "system" made a mistake in allowing you to tag a redirect from draft space to article space. Robert McClenon (talk) 12:47, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Robert McClenon Oh I'm sorry about that but while i accessed the draft page i can assure you it wasn't redirecting to any target if not i wouldn't tag it. There must be an error somewhere, i sincerely apologize. If you check this revision here you will see that the redirect was actually there but i believe it wasn't pointing to the mainspace article and the edit summary says Removed redirect. Best regards. Lapablo (talk) 12:57, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Lapablo - As I said, you didn't make a mistake. However, the tag is wrong. That is a system-generated tag, being applied by the software to try to tag things automatically. I didn't removed the redirect. I don't know why it says that. There was still a redirect, and you marked it (not the article) for speedy deletion, and I prevented the speedy deletion. The tag was wrong. As I said, you didn't make a mistake, but the system has screwed up. Fortunately, it is not a serious screw-up. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:31, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, User:Shankyouverymuch08/sandbox

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:25, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

article published in WIKITIA

Hello I have been trying to contact you and this may be the easiest way. You reviewed my article about "Dr Ross Petty" and sent your answer back on May 4th. One of your comments was I should delete some phrases that praise the scientist. I agree with that, however, you also modified the sections headlines and the info in each section. I consider that was ok. The point here is that I found a publication in WIKITIA made on May 3rd, where the information I wrote plus the changes you made, was already published. I don't know how many people have access to my draft while it is in revision, besides you and me. But I found it outrageous that some took my information, not even public yet, and published it in a different page. I am not accusing you or anything like that. My question is, how can that be possible? how could someone from WIKITIA stole unpublished information? Do you have any recommendations on how to proceed?. Could I still publish my article even though the information will be the exact same? Thanks, Im looking forward to your response. LJimenez2004 (talk) 20:57, 6 May 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by LJimenez2004 (talk • contribs) 20:01, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

User:LJimenez2004 - I will look into this within the next 24 hours. What I can say now is that a draft on Wikipedia is accessible to the public, and so anyone can view it. If someone copied your draft and published it as their own, that would be plagiarism, which is unethical, and I think that there would be a violation of Wikipedia's copyleft. I will answer you more fully within 24 hours. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:19, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

User:LJiminez - I don't know anything about WIKITIA. If you provide me a link, I can check to see whether they operate under a license that is comparable to that of Wikipedia. I will note that I made very few changes to your draft, but that there was some editing done by User:HSE001. As I mentioned, drafts in Wikipedia, although not considered to be part of the encyclopedia, are visible to the public. Anyone can plagiarize from a Wikipedia draft. You have not answered whether you are employed by or affiliated with Ross Petty. You may ask about Wikipedia policies at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:55, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Adding on to what Robert McClenon mentioned, I've never heard of WIKITIA before, but do keep in mind that drafts on this encyclopedia are public, and in some cases, there may be external sites that may publish content originally appearing on Wikipedia. These types of instances are out of our control as they are generally not associated with Wikipedia.org. HSE001 (talk) 04:10, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Robert McClenon Thanks for your help. Here is the link of wikitia.https://wikitia.com/index.php?title=Ross_Petty_(pediatrician)&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop

Answering your question, no, I do not work with Dr Petty. He is well known in the Rheumatology department from BC Children's Hospital in Vancouver. I started the article about him as part of my master program, I have only met him once but he is for sure a remarkable immunologist and physician — Preceding unsigned comment added by LJimenez2004 (talk • contribs) 20:18, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Wikitia has been raised a few times before. In short, the trademark violations have already been reported to legal. Given they are ignoring the attribution requirement, I've also forwarded a complaint from OTRS to legal about this. This has been raised on the OTRS mailing lists, and you aren't the first to be misled by the site. There are plenty of Wikipedia mirrors out there, but this seems to be a more dubious one. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 21:07, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

User:LJiminez, User:Alex Noble - That is interesting and annoying. The web site does copy the "look and feel" of Wikipedia, which in itself is all right. What is not all right is that, as discussed, they appear to be plagiarizing from Wikipedia. I think that I have answered the questions that were asked of me, and I will let other people look into the legal issues of the plagiarism and copyleft violation. I think that we are over and out. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:41, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thank you for feedback!

User:Luke Lovas - Mreew.

Luke Lovas (talk) 23:15, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Question on declined submission

Hi, thank you for your review and feedback on the article on Scantrust. I understand that the submission was declined for lack of notability, however I would like to note that Scantrust was the exclusive topic of at least 5 different articles which appeared in the most read newspapers in Switzerland, e.g. 20 Minuten, Le Temps, 24 Heures, L'Impartial/L'express, HandelsZeitung. A list of the top newspapers in Switzerland can be found here: https://www.4imn.com/ch/

Based on my understanding of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(organizations_and_companies), is my understanding correct that these would pass the notability test as they are all significant, independent, reliable, secondary sources? And if the notability test was passed, is it because there is not a sufficiently high number of notable sources? I would appreciate very much any feedback you have.

By the way, thanks for reviewing my earlier article on Copy Detection Pattern!

Many thanks, Factfox (talk) 17:28, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

In the meanwhile I realised that the Teahouse is probably a more appropriate avenue, so I just asked my questions there. Feel free to ignore my above comment and questions. Thanks, Factfox (talk) 22:05, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Factfox - I would normally advise a submitter that I would ask for the advice of other experienced editors at the Teahouse. So I will follow up there, and I agree that that is the right place to ask for feedback. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:34, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thanks for accepting my article!

User:Tinelva - Prrr.

Tinelva (talk) 14:16, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Does this look odd to you?

I am looking at this, but for some reason, it seems to be missing some lines of code like others have (i.e. points of editors) What are your thoughts? Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Anjana_Om_Kashyap. Thanks Galendalia _{CVU Member} \ ^{Chat Me Up} 19:47, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Galendalia - What is missing? It appears to use the same templates as the other disputes. I added the other editor just for my information. It looks like another content dispute to me, but I may also be missing something. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:43, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

I don't see the summary of a particular editor with the 2k character limit like on all the others. Galendalia _{CVU Member} \ ^{Chat Me Up} 22:05, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Galendalia - I see what has happened. I see what has happened, and it is all right, and it doesn't bother me. When the filing editor enters the names of parties, those sections for their summaries get created by the thing. The filing editor didn't enter the name of the other editor. I entered the name of the other editor manually, but I didn't enter the section thing. So it isn't there. So if the other editor responds, they will respond somewhere. Okay. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:59, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

I just had too because I love kittens and I don't see this one on your page so I wanted to complete the collection!

User:Galendalia - Mrrt.

Galendalia _{CVU Member} \ ^{Chat Me Up} 19:49, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Goodbye article

user:Coolmarc has nominated Goodbye for deletion again! This is really stressing me out! Can he do that? DarklyShadows (talk) 21:13, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@DarklyShadows: - I have deprodded the article as it was previously listed. I put a notice on both the nominator and the 2nder talk pages. Galendalia _{CVU Member} \ ^{Chat Me Up} 21:46, 10 May 2020 (UTC) My apologies, yes it is in AfD which is the next venue. Please follow through that process. Galendalia _{CVU Member} \ ^{Chat Me Up} 21:58, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

John Dunning (volleyball) Article

Hi Robert. Just wanted to let you know that the two issues noted in the comments of the Draft:John Dunning (volleyball) article have been fixed:

1. The candidate (John Dunning) DOES meet the sports notability criteria – he has been a member of college volleyball’s national Hall of Fame since 2011 (footnoted in #8 – Sports Illustrated) and shares a national record (with Russ Rose) for most coaching appearances in an NCAA Division I women’s volleyball championship match.

2. Two national sources have been added: ESPN (footnote #1) and Sports Illustrated (footnote #8).

I've resubmitted the article for review. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by LukeHalpin7 (talk • contribs) 01:39, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

User:LukeHaplin7 - Please put the supporting information in the talk page of the draft so that it will be there. Robert McClenon (talk) 07:09, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Leaving

I’m very disappointed and depressed with all the users trying to redirect all the articles I have created and spent days researching... I’m moving on from Wikipedia because all of this drama is affecting me... DarklyShadows (talk) 04:12, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

User:DarklyShadows - Please see and consider my comments about inclusionists and redirectionists. Work in researching information about songs is useful even if it is merged into articles on albums or artists. Before you go away, I suggest discussing your frustrations at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:23, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Misplaced information

I believe someone may have misplaced information in which they meant for another dispute. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Queen_of_Hearts_(2019_film). Since I am a party to this dispute, I cannot change it. Galendalia _{CVU Member} \ ^{Chat Me Up} 06:31, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Galendalia - If you mean the footnotes, that isn't a bug but a misfeature. The footnotes are at the bottom of the noticeboard, and so they seem to be at the bottom of the dispute. Is that it, or is there something else? Robert McClenon (talk) 06:39, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Probably, the psycho...... notes? Galendalia _{CVU Member} \ ^{Chat Me Up} 06:53, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Galendalia - That's what I said. The notes from the psych dispute. They show up at the bottom of the noticeboard because there isn't a reflist at the bottom of the dispute. That's not a bug, but a misfeature. Robert McClenon (talk) 07:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Haha you didn't say psych you just said footnotes. I see what you mean though. Has that been reported to the bug team? Galendalia _{CVU Member} \ ^{Chat Me Up} 07:22, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Galendalia - It's not a bug. It's a misfeature. The system works like that. It's up to the parties in the psych dispute to provide a reflist. (Or it could be up to the moderator, but I don't feel like doing it this morning.) It's working as misdesigned. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:40, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

re comments on Drafts:Sean Quinn

Thank you for your comments regarding Draft:Sean Quinn (music producer). I've read the musical notability section and I have some responses that might clear it up. Is this the correct place to discuss them?Jules Beaumont (talk) 08:09, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Jules Beaumont - Please discuss on the talk page for the draft, at Draft talk:Sean Quinn (music producer), where other editors may see them. I have corrected the spelling of the namespace. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:37, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying Robert McClenon and I have done exactly that. Any advice you are able to contribute would be much appreciated and in the meantime I'll visit the Teahouse. Jules Beaumont (talk) 15:07, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Article on Adam Schleifer Declined

Hi Robert, I recently had my article about congressional candidate Adam Schleifer declined because the "Submission is about a person not yet shown to meet notability guidelines." I am a new wikipedia user, and am wondering is you have any advice about how to proceed from here. Is there any way that I could prove the notability of the article by adding more sources, etc., or should I just move on to other articles for now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sshallam (talk • contribs) 19:22, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Sshallam - I would suggest asking for advice at the Teahouse, but I will tell you what I would tell you there. There is a myth that, because drafts are often declined due to inadequate sources, adding more sources will result in a draft being accepted, but this is a myth. Sources are a necessary but not a sufficient condition for acceptance of a Wikipedia article. No amount of (low-quality) sourcing will compensate for a lack of notability. If there are other aspects to Schleifer's career that you have not mentioned in the draft, add them, with reliable sources; but finding more low-quality sources for what you have already described is not likely to help. I suggest asking for advice at the Teahouse, but that is likely to be the advice that you get. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:58, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Great, thank you for the help! I will ask over at the Teahouse as well and go from there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sshallam (talk • contribs) 20:04, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft: Daniel Lewis (triple jumper)

Hi Robert McClenon, thanks for the review 10 days ago. I have probably over-complicated this myself and ran in a circle but I have tried to go back to the original page at Daniel Lewis (athlete) but it redirects me straight back to the Daniel Lewis (triple jump) page.

In any case, my struggle is to try and get this page reviewed successfully.

I have stated in my previous notes that the subject, Daniel Lewis, meets eligibility criteria as he "Finished top 8 in a competition at the highest level outside of the Olympic Games and world championships. Individual events in these championships must contain either several heats or extended fields (e.g., European Athletics Championships, Commonwealth Games, or any of the 6 World Major Marathons)." - this is a quote from the guidelines on the notability of people at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(sports)#Athletics/track_&_field_and_long-distance_running.

If i'm wrong for creating this page do let me know, but I imagine he qualifies as all other athletes in the same final do have wiki pages individually. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Global247 (talk • contribs) 21:11, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Global247 - I am confused. Is there one person named Daniel Lewis, or are there two track competitors with the same name? If there is one person, you have created an article, and it is waiting for review. If so, put that explanation on the talk page of the article. If there are two people, please clarify. It looks as if the draft is redirecting to the article in article space, and that is all right. What is the question? Robert McClenon (talk) 21:53, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Robert McClenon

Hi Rodw there was a page Nomination for deletion in my talk page but it has been hav discussion and the discussion end with keep the page can you sir remove this Nomination on my talk page. thanks in advance.--FCBlinder (talk) 10:23, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

User:FCBlindr - I am not sure that I understand this request. You are responsible for how to maintain your talk page. I do not plan to remove anything from your talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:11, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme

Hi Robert, I've added content to this draft and resubmitted it. I think that it is now notable as a significant and unprecedented measure in the UK, similar to 2008 United Kingdom bank rescue package. Many thanks Crookesmoor (talk) 12:22, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Crookesmoor - I will allow another reviewer to review the current version of the draft. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:19, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Cheers la Crookesmoor (talk) 13:52, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Bot Issue Update

Hey, I was able to get a hold of the BOT creator and informed them of the issue. See User_talk:Hasteur#DRN_clerk_bot_2nd_request. Hopefully, it gets fixed soon.

Galendalia _{CVU Member} \ ^{Chat Me Up} 19:03, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

DRN Archive

Hey Robert,

I think the DRN archive is broken. Is it not supposed to archive after 48 hours since it was closed? RE: Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#McLaren_F1. Thanks, Galendalia _{CVU Member} \ ^{Chat Me Up} 22:40, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Galendalia - Thanks for the alert. Maybe we have one bot task working and another broken. It should be archiving that case now, because, as you say, I closed it as resolved 48 hours ago. It isn't a very high priority, but getting the cases archived is a nice-to-have. I will inquire. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:22, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

No worries man. I just wanted to make sure I was not imagining it or my mind is playing tricks on me. Oh, wait, both the same lol. --Galendalia _{CVU Member} \ ^{Chat Me Up} 23:25, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Nick Robertson

Hello! It appears you have left a comment on my draft, Nick Robertson, saying that he hasn't played in a fully professional league yet. Whilst that is true, there are multiple players in the CHL who have not yet played in the NHL who have Wikipedia pages, including Connor McMichael and Quinton Byfield. So, to put it in short, I don't think that matters. Nolanisntfunny (talk) 23:37, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:4AT

I asked the editor about COI, and they've disclosed: [8]. The article seems neutral enough to me, if a little refbomb-y, and the inclusion in practice guidelines seems to indicate notability. I don't have much experience reviewing COI drafts, though, so I'd like to get your more experienced eyes on it. Ready for mainspace or not? Thanks, SpicyMilkBoy (talk) 15:04, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

User:SpicyMilkBoy - This was a type of so-called conflict of interest that is beneficial rather than harmful to the encyclopedia. The author, as the clinical developer of test, is a subject matter expert. Their involvement must be declared, and it was, but it is desirable. It has been accepted. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:53, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Take over please

Can you take over the DRN cases I have? I am getting a lot of crap from admins about participating in them. I would appreciate it. Galendalia _{CVU Member} \ ^{Chat Me Up} 23:14, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Galendalia - I will look at your talk page, and will see what needs to be done, but I think that if there is a problem, I can take over the cases. That may delay the cases. We shall see. I will reply further on your talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:28, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

I have decided to leave Wikipedia and everything is being removed. Everything is on the DRNs. Best of luck.

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Request on 15:18:48, 16 May 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by 2020Thomas

• 2020Thomas (talk · contribs)
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This is a message for Robert McClenon concerning my draft article on "Agoureleo".

Thanks for your comments. Please note 1. Yes, there is another draft article on "Agoureleo", but my submission is not a duplicate of this draft, because my submission has been rewritten for clarity and includes more material. If only one of the two articles is to be considered, then please consider mine, because the other one has not been submitted for review, and I know that its author no longer plans to submit it. It can be deleted. 2. My article isn't meant to be an advertisement. Can you give me any advice on fixing the "reads like an advertisement" problem? 2020Thomas (talk) 15:18, 16 May 2020 (UTC) 2020Thomas (talk) 15:18, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

User:2020Thomas - Your submission has been deleted. I did not nominate it for deletion or delete it, so if you have any questions, you should ask the deleting administrator. Do you have an affiliation or connection with Agoureleo? If so, you must make the required conflict of interest declaration. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:51, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of AISHL

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A tag has been placed on AISHL requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a band or musician that does not credibly indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please read more about what is generally accepted as notable.

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User:Theroadislong, User:Boing! said Zebedee - Okay. This illustrates why I do not want anyone to remove these Twinkle-generated notices (and no one removed this). After some digging, I see what happened. I saw that page yesterday and so still sort of remembered it, and I didn't think that I had moved it to article space. Indeed, I didn't. I had moved it to draft space. So now, from leaving this message here, I see that this particular SPA has been warned. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:53, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Sorry I'm not understanding what's happened here, have I done something incorrectly somewhere? Theroadislong (talk) 16:58, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

No. User:Theroadislong. I recognize now that this comment is cryptic. You didn't do something that I didn't want done. I previously asked another reviewer not to remove these stupid Twinkle notices from my talk page about speedy deletion of pages that I had very little to do with, and this is another of those notices. Twinkle thinks that I should be among those notified of the speedy deletion nomination for pages that I may have touched, in particular by moving them. One reviewer tried to avoid bothering me with these messages by deleting one of them. However, I had the email anyway, so that I went to the history of my talk page to see what had happened, and I saw that I was notified, and then the notification was deleted. This doesn't simplify things for me. You left the notice on my talk page, which is what I wanted. But it was puzzling. I more or less recalled the page, because it was only yesterday that I dealt with it, but I thought that I had moved it to draft space, and you had tagged it in article space. So I looked in the logs, and found that, yes, I had moved it from the sandbox to draft space, and the SPA had moved it to article space, and then you tagged it. So I was thanking you for not erasing a stupid message that I didn't want erased (but erasing it could have been a good-faith thing to do). Thanks. It looks like the SPA has been warned. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:54, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Ahhh yes that all makes sense now, thank you! Theroadislong (talk) 18:14, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of User:Belkeram/sandbox

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User:Spencer - Please do not remove stupid Twinkle-generated messages from my talk page. This creates more work for me to retrieve them and determine what they were. I get the email notification and the red alert anyway, even if you then delete the message, so then I look to see what was deleted. After all, it could be someone trying to help me, like you were, but it could be a vandal deleting stuff from my talk page. So don't delete stupid messages from my talk page. I know you mean to make it easier for me. Thanks. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:12, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft: Jamie Dolan

Hi Robert,

Thanks for reviewing my draft, I understand information is lacking in the page itself but I'm just confused as to what you meant by there wasn't information provided which would translate to me producing any notable films that would accommodate being eligible for a Wikpedia Page? 2 of the 3 films I referenced both were theatrically released in the US/UK and one in specific entitled Ladyworld has its own Wikipedia page which I tagged and has my name listed under the producers. And I submitted about 20 references all from the top publications in entertainment media in which they cover me producing these films. These articles wouldn't per se be profiles on me because that isn't as common for producers but I submitted a variety of published articles that are either 1) announcing the film 2) announcing the release or 3) actual reviews from top reporters of the films. All of which mention my name as producer on these projects.

Let me know what I could do to help elevate this page being approved in my case given the above. If any profiles on me come in I will add those but I assumed with the abundance of massive press coverage for my movies that it would do the job. Let me know and thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jafilmmaker23 (talk • contribs) 04:08, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

I will ask other experienced editors for their opinions at the Teahouse within 24 hours (unless of course you ask them first). Robert McClenon (talk) 06:40, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Could I get your input on a genuine first article?

Hi there @Robert McClenon: A while ago you were good enough to check on an article I was doing on an Australian MP, but as you pointed out, it was really only a new section. So, I've tried a very small article on something completely different - a minor broadway actor. It's my very first from-scratch article. (I plan to do some more complex ones later, mostly in the history and politics space.) I've put the draft on my sandbox at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Erasmus_Sydney/sandbox would you mind taking a look? Erasmus Sydney (talk) 04:32, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Erasmus Sydney - Next time, please spell my name correctly (even if my gggf couldn't). Anne Horak Gallagher? What you need to do is to have a section listing her roles. Please read acting notability guidelines one more time. The usual basis for acceptance is that the person has had multiple roles in notable films or productions. That is shown by listing the roles with links to the articles about the films or productions. If you can do that, the draft should normally be accepted. I didn't review the draft in detail, but I would have an easier time reviewing it if it had a list of roles. That is what to do. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:02, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: thank you.Erasmus Sydney (talk) 20:38, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: okay, I've taken your advice and done the list of roles - I decided to base it on table list structure used in the article on Ann Reinking (also a Broadway dancer, though Reinking's is far longer, as hers has been a more significant career). If you're okay to give it a glance you'll find the sandbox draft here. Thank you! P.S. I fixed that misspell of your name. Very embarrassing. My apologies. Erasmus Sydney (talk) 05:30, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Jonathan Andrew Smith

Robert, it's been a while. hope you are well. Would it be useful to MfD this as WP:ARTSPAM or am I being overly deletionist again. Cheers, --Deep fried okra User talk:Deepfriedokra 10:03, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Deepfriedokra - The real question is whether there is any reason to keep this thing. I see several reasons to take it to MFD. One is that it is article spam and has marginally escaped G11. Another is that it is an autobiography. That is not in itself a reason to delete; it just makes other things worse. A reason is that it was submitted and declined six times, which I think is enough resubmission to qualify as tendentious. In my opinion, but this is only my opinion, the sockpuppetry would in itself be reason enough to delete it. So: Is there a reason not to request its deletion? If there is a reason not to delete, that can be argued at MFD. I say submit away. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:53, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Regarding Sidhauli

Hi Robert McClenon, Sidhauli is a town in Sitapur district. While i am creating an article for Sidhauli, Kanpur Nagar. This is the nagar panchayat and town in Kanpur district. Both are the towns are different and on different locations. Please check the references for both the places: Sidhauli Kanpur Nagar and Sidhauli Sitapur. More searches on Google: Sidhauli Sitapur and Sidhauli Kanpur Nagar

Numan765 (talk) 13:11, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Charles Hazlewood

Hi Robert. There already exists an article about this person as Charles Hazlewood. The creator of the draft is Hazelwood’s wife (see my user talk page and her Teahouse posts for more) who is trying to update the article about him. Although I’m sure she means well, she’s not too familiar with things Wikipedia and thus may misunderstand the purpose of a Wikipedia article. It might be the case that the article needs some updating, but perhaps that is something better left to someone without a COI to sort out. Marchjuly (talk) 17:02, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Marchjuly - I am a little confused, in that it appears that you are trying to tell me that the article already exists, when I declined the draft because the article already exists. Is there something else that I should know? Are you telling me that I should have done more research before declining the draft, or that I should have done more research after declining the draft? Or are you asking me to look at the discussion, which I will do? Robert McClenon (talk) 17:08, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

My apologies for any confusion. When I started to post the above, you apparently were in the middle of declining the draft. I saw that you moved it to the draft namespace, but at that point you had yet to decline it. My post wasn’t intended to imply that you had done anything wrong; it was just to let you know that the article already existed. — Marchjuly (talk) 17:20, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Okay, User:Marchjuly. You may have been too quick to let me know what the system was going to tell me anyway. It tells me if there already is an article. It also tells me other things. It does seem that Henri doesn't understand how Wikipedia works. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:27, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar

Hey I am sorry for the vandalism I did. I only did it so I could get a screenshot and show to my past PE teacher from childhood, who always told kids he went to the Olympics in 1996 (he didn't). I thought it would be do that and send it to him. I realize that that was irresponsible. One more thing: I am embarrassed to say I also vandalized another article, that of Michael J. Knowles, the political commentator. I think I am blocked from editing now (rightfully so), so if you could fix that edit that would be great. My apologies, zwickewj Zwickewj (talk) 02:22, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Waukauyengtipu has been accepted

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I don't understand what's happening! El_C 04:46, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

User:El_C User:Nick Moyes and I decided that the issue of the uncertainty of what are probably two mountains, but are sometimes said to be the same mountain, is best resolved by accepting the draft into article space and tagging them to be merged. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:52, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

If you mean the barnstar, I guess the vandal repented. I wasn't expecting it either. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:52, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

No, it just struck me as the funny that you said Thanks again, and happy editing! to yourself! El_C 04:56, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

User:El_C I hadn't consciously realized that it was going to put any of that on my talk page. If I had, I would have submitted the draft as the explorer. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:12, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Albert_Harrington

I'm not sure if this is the correct way to respond to your comments, if not please forgive me. You left two comments on the page Draft:Albert_Harrington I added more information about west point as requested... I don't know how to edit names of pages to make them unambiguous, my guess is that this page title should be "Albert Harrington(Grain Merchant)" ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by JBenson79 (talk • contribs) 20:57, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

User:JBenson79 - I will check this further within 36 hours. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:11, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

User:JBenson79 - I haven't taken a review yet but will. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:39, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

sounds good thanksJBenson79 (talk) 18:27, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Jose Perez (actor)

I'm also unsure of the proper etiquette here but I'd like a clarification. I understand that I have not included many references but are you actually saying that a person who acted in 5 Broadway plays, 19 movies and 7 different TV shows, with appearances on multiple episodes (up to 26!) on 3 of them, including playing a leading role (as God, no less!) in a TV movie and resulting series isn't "notable" enough, or are you just saying I haven't documented it well enough? Perrydigm (talk) 22:43, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Perrydigm - I will take another look, but I think that my question had to do with the quality of the documentation. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:39, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Express Zip File Compression Software

Hello, Robert McClenon. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Express Zip File Compression Software".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! TheImaCow (talk) 09:41, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

User:TheImaCow - Thank you for this stupid note, and for not erasing it. It works like that. I would rather get the stupid messages than not have Twinkle. Robert McClenon (talk) 15

39, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

? --TheImaCow (talk) 15:52, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

User:TheImaCow - I didn't create it, and so that is a stupid message. I ignore those messages. But please, if you put one on my talk page, do not erase it as a favor to me. I already know about it, and will have to research it to verify that it was just a stupid Twinkle message. So don't erase it, although you mean to do that so it doesn't bother me. Am I clear? Robert McClenon (talk) 07:27, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

About Talk:13 Reasons Why#Season 1 and Season 2 that discussion that you started

The editor who started the Draft season 1 article is a possible sock puppetry. Three of the accounts are new accounts who only weigh in on that discussion and are saying fairly the same thing. Two of the account claimed to be administrators when they are not administrators. All their User bios say the about the same thing and look very similar. The possible puppet is desperate to split them into season articles. — YoungForever^(talk) 06:16, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

User:YoungForever - I will look at whether I agree that there is sockpuppetry. Robert McClenon (talk) 07:29, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Interesting. Yes. I requested the SPI. Robert McClenon (talk) 07:43, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

They are officially confirmed to be sock puppets I just saw the SPI closed by an admin. — YoungForever^(talk) 22:17, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

User:YoungForever - Thank you for saying that the feathers needed microscopic examination. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:32, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

I was going to file a SPI myself, but I wanted to get a second opinion before I file one as I have never file one before.  It looked like a duck to me. — YoungForever^(talk) 14:47, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

The editor is back and the season articles may need to be WP:SALT as consensus was reached already to Split to List of episodes. The editor may still attempt to recreate the season articles again. — YoungForever^(talk) 05:05, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

User:YoungForever - Well, the sockmaster has come off block. If there is any other development, let me know, please. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:52, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Rejection of Dianoia (journal) page

Greetings!

I am not sure if I am sending these comments to the correction location, but I've done my best to meet your revisions.

1. I have rewritten the page to be in compliance with wikipedia's copyright rules

2. Concerning guidelines for notability of the journal, we meet all three:

Criterion 1: The journal is considered by reliable sources to be influential in its subject area. All of the sources that I cited in the article are from reputable university libraries and esteemed magazines.

Criterion 2: The journal is frequently cited by other reliable sources. We are considered by the Boston College Chronicle, The Heights, The Boston College Libraries, and numerous other university libraries around the world. I have provided citations for all of these on our page.

Criterion 3: The journal is historically important in its subject area. Dianoia is one of the most important undergraduate philosophy journals in America presently. Not many journals publish the work exclusively of undergraduates, especially in philosophy, and the diversity of cited articles demonstrates just as much.

Hopefully this helps and I've submitted my comments to the correct place.

Noahrv84729481 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noahrv84729481 (talk • contribs) 00:47, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Noahrv84729481 - I had requested that comments be put on the talk page of the draft. I have copied your comments to the talk page of the draft. Robert McClenon (talk) 07:20, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

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Draft:Matt Williams (rugby player)

Hi, just a note, this draft is about a different person than Matt Williams (rugby player), who is 31 years old. I closed the AfD on the latter, and whilst that was closed as Keep as he is notable, the Matt Williams in this draft is probably more notable (has played at a higher level). For extra confusion, there's another Matt Williams who is probably also notable [9] and is Director of Rugby at London Scottish (the same club as the player who currently has an article). Not sure what the best plan is - I was going to disambiguate the Draft one with "born 1998" or something, as the article isn't very good and isn't really ready for mainspace. Any ideas? Black Kite (talk) 00:08, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

List of Perry Mason episodes dispute resolution discussion

Should we be waiting for you to officially open the discussion here before adding comments in the discussion section? Thanks. Dharmabumstead (talk) 19:27, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Request on 17:32:33, 1 June 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Jschwam

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Response to article comment

Thank you for the elaborate feedback on my lacrosse article posts. If I was going to set up task force to add a special notability criterion for field lacrosse, where would I post it? I am confident that a a criteria can be established, but I am unable to find a link where I would post it. Thanks. Jschwam (talk) 17:32, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

User:Jschwam - I don't know the answer to that question, but a reasonable place to ask for advice in general would be the Teahouse. You could also ask at the sports notability talk page. Those are my only real thoughts at this time. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:43, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Thank you for your tips on improving my article Tropical Storm Amanda (2020)! Thanks for inviting me to the teahouse. And thank you for helping our new users. Destroyeraa (talk) 01:20, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

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Rejected article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Avyar

This is my second attempt to leave a reasonable and highly informative response on your talk page which is allowed. You or somebody else have erased my initial response simply because he didn't like it. You might or might not like my response but erasing it is called censorship and it is not welcomed on Wikipedia. Whoever removed my reply please in the future kindly refrain from exercising pure and blatant censorhip when you don't like the comment.The comment is raising resonable questions which shold be addressed in a professional manner rather than ignored or deleted. The first deleteion marks the first fact of censorship towards me and my comment on yor talk page. If it will be done on a second occasion then the trend will be established. You recently rejected my legitimate, informative and well written article about the Indian female philosopher Avyar. You failed to come up with a single explanation on why the article was rejected. I took a look at the articles you created and it is beyond my understanding on how they were allowed to be approved on Wikipedia. Do you call a poorly sourced and written collection of words about Bile (Irish legend) an article? You referenced Encyclopedia Britannica without providing a link to the material so anyone can verify that information. You listed the same link twice in a list of references which is unacceptable. Then you listed two modern books with several sentences about the person named Bile (Irish legend). Who allowed this so-called article with almost no sources to be on Wikipedia? Is this a notable topic? No, it's not. Is it a professionally written article? No, it's not. Is it well-sourced article? No, it's not. Then who are you to judge my well-written, highly informative and important article with all the references provided in a professional way? The Cat 2020 (talk) 21:45, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

User:The Cat 2020 - I suggest discussing the draft at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:53, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

User:The Cat 2020 - You are an auto-confirmed editor. You can copy the article into article space. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:53, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

I suggest that you also ask at the Teahouse whether the policy Wikipedia is not censored has to do with removal of material from talk pages. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:53, 2 June 2020 (UTC)

You have written on my article's page that, "This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia." This statement is factually incorrect and misleading which was proven by the works cited and references. The notability of the topic was clearly established by the article and its sources. Another user expressed his opinion on the issue and pointed my attention to several sentences which required correction. I have rewritten them and I would have resubmitted my article but your factually incorrect statement is preventing me from proceeding. No other major issues were found in my article by another user who have made a thorough review and analysis. The Cat 2020 (talk) 15:00, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

New information about Bile (Irish legend)

The article about Bile (Irish legend) can be significantly expended by adding some relevant information from the following source "The Phoenician Origin of Britons, Scots & Anglo-Saxons (1924 - 1st. edition)", page 89. The Phoenician Sun-God was named Bil or Bel depending on the transliteration. You can even dig some more information in this source and make your article even more informative. Essentially we are talking about a King who took his name after the Sun-God. There were many such kings in the history and that's why it's always hard to separate Gods from real Kings or persons. It's a part of a mythology as a whole and in the past myths were always universal in nature. This point must be always taken into account. The Cat 2020 (talk) 18:18, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

8

8 is nominated for deletion. Remember what you said, "the song has charted, which satisfies the musical notability criteria well enough that it is unlikely to be deleted". DarklyShadows (talk) 00:10, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Tropical cyclones in 2011

Please see Tropical cyclones in 2004, Tropical cyclones in 2010, Tropical cyclones in 2012, Tropical cyclones in 2014. The article you declined is EXACTLY THE SAME. 🐔 Chicdat ^ChickenDatabase 09:57, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

User:Chicdat - See Other stuff exists. Some of them are at least complete. Some of them are also incomplete. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:13, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Collapsing discussions

Hi! You just said that I need to collapse some discussions. Can you help with that? I don't know how to do it XD PhysiqueUL09 (talk) 01:57, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

User:PhysiqueUL09 - See {{collapse}}, {{collapsetop}}, and {{collapsebottom}}. Put {{collapsetop}} above the overly long or irrelevant material, and {{collapsebottom}} after it. The material is then collapsed. It can be seen, but only by clicking to expand. Use your judgment. Only do it if you are sure you want to do it. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:36, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Undisclosed financial article

Hello, I would like to answer your question regarding the undisclosed Financial article that I made for Freek.

I haven't and will not be paid or receive 1 cent for this article or any article I have previously published. I live in the middle east and artists in this region are not getting the exposure that they deserve. I take it on my self and use my time to promote art from the middle east. Freek for example is one of the fatest growing artists and he deserve to be recognized.

I hope that answers your question.

If i need to edit or change anything in my article, please let me know,

Regards, Elia — Preceding unsigned comment added by EliaMssawir (talk • contribs) 15:15, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

"Tell Your Friends( The Weeknd song )" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Tell Your Friends( The Weeknd song ). The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 7#Tell Your Friends( The Weeknd song ) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 21:21, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Request on 18:51:24, 8 June 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by YYH Wiki

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YYH Wiki (talk) 18:51, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello. I am responding to your message on my page regarding my Operation Bootstrap submission. You mentioned that my submission was a duplicate, but from what I understand the earlier submission was deleted. That is why I submission a second updated submission. This submission has more citations. If it has not been deleted and the submission is still active, I have not been able to access it to update it. Also you mentioned that the subject matter was written from the organization's point of view. The organization closed back in the 80s long before I graduated from high school, I am not connected to the org and I am not writing on it's behalf. Can you share more specifically what part of the article you are referring to? You also mentioned that the organization was not notable. An episode of PBS's Lost LA was devoted to telling the story of this organization and the organization has been written up in news papers such the LA Times, New York Times, Washington Post. A UCLA film was made about the organization and it was featured on PBS's Black Journal in 1969. In the second submission I cited a few of these sources, but if you need more I can provide plenty. Does those references not make it notable? Operation Bootstrap was the parent company to Shindana Toys, which has a wiki entry. Operation Bootstrap was an important and significant institution in Los Angeles and Shindana went on to have significance nationwide. How can I produce a successful article for this organization. If you are curious about my background, I am a historian. Thank you.YYH Wiki (talk) 18:51, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

User:YYH Wiki - See Draft:Operation Bootstrap. If you can combine the two drafts into one, that would be a good idea. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:21, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Tropical Cyclone yearly articles

The issue is that nobody has really taken the yearly articles to their full potential. The creator of some of them was indef blocked for numerous issues, which halted them. 2018 forward are in decent shape for the list part. What everyone doesnt understand... these articles are meant to:

1. Display the cyclonic activity on a global scale and highlight the top storms for the year (met or impact)
2. Discuss the global atmospheric and hydrological conditions across the various basins in NHEM and SHEM that influence formation or lack of
3. Discuss the effects of tropical cyclones on a global scale

Those are a few purposes of the article besides just listing all the storms. Im sure there could be more items in the future, but that was just what kind of came to be when these were created. Let me know what you think. Noah^Talk 22:02, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Article for creation Gheorghe Buzoianu

Hello Robert McClenon! Thank you for reviewing my article. I will begin to edit it and address the issues raised. Domnica Lungu (talk) 15:14, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Rename Article Title

Hello Robert,

Firstly, thank you for publishing my article. Upon further review of other articles about Saskatchewan lakes, I see that their titles are formatted as "_____ Lake (Saskatchewan)". As someone who likes to follow patterns, I would love to see the article renamed to "Peck Lake (Saskatchewan)". Is it possible for me or you to edit this as a minor fix?

Thank you in advance for any help!

BronsonForestFisher (talk) 06:43, 10 June 2020 (UTC)BronsonForestFisher

User:BronsonForestFisher - Well, there are two ways of disambiguating places. I would suggest asking for comments at the Teahouse or the Help Desk, or I will ask for comments. Robert McClenon (talk) 12:29, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

User:Robert McClenon - My apologies, I should have been more clear. The article is already disambiguated as "Peck Lake, Saskatchewan". I only want to rename it so the apostrophes are brackets, to match the format of articles of other lakes in Saskatchewan, which neatens up the lists on various articles i.e. "Lakes of Saskatchewan. BronsonForestFisher (talk) 05:26, 11 June 2020 (UTC)BronsonForestFisher

Hello, from a DR/N volunteer

This is a friendly reminder to involved parties that there is a current Dispute Resolution Noticeboard case still awaiting comments and replies. If this dispute has been resolved to the satisfaction of the filing editor and all involved parties, please take a moment to add a note about this at the discussion so that a volunteer may close the case as "Resolved". If the dispute is still ongoing, please add your input. Feynstein (talk) 16:52, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Requesting Review

Hi Robert,

You declined an article I created about "Whale Cloud" and left a few comments for improvement. As advised, I went on to the Teahouse & followed their guidance to edit the article. Can you please have a look at it now and let me know if all is in good order to publish?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Whale_Cloud_Technology

Thanks in advance for your help.

Virtuista (talk) 20:30, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Solar engine - Question

Hello Robert McClenon, thank you for reviewing the draft. I am unsure whether I understood weel all your comments for improving the article. I re-written the lead paragraph with a more neutral tone. I also remove the laudating terms. Eventually I added some references.

Please let me know if this is was is expected.

Iwoe (talk) 07:31, 12 June 2020 (UTC) Iwoe

Asking for assistance with RfC about DRN archived case 187 (List_of_Italian_inventions_and_discoveries)

During the dispute, you offered assistance to formulate the RfC appropriately. Unfortunately, I don't have the experience to do that myself since the content disputed is huge. "If you are here with a comment about the process itself, it would be a good idea to post it at the dispute resolution talk page to get the comments of other volunteers also." I don't think this is necessary in this particular case. The case was the following https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard/Archive_187#List_of_Italian_inventions_and_discoveries I appreciate your assistance --TriangoloDiTartaglia (talk) 09:21, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

if the dispute cannot be resolved with 'request for comments', and assistance cannot be provided in resolving the dispute, I might start to edit the page again. After 3 months, there was enough time for the dispute to be resolved using Wikipedia guidelines.--TriangoloDiTartaglia (talk) 11:28, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Copyvio rewrite temp pages

Hi, Robert McClenon, how are you? Just wanted to say: our copyvio blanking template creates links to a dedicated rewrite page, normally at Talk:Foo/Temp, but for drafts the link leads instead to Draft talk:Bar/Temp (please don't ask me why these things happen, they just do). If you happen to come across such a page, please don't move it to a more usual title – the admin or clerk reviewing the copyvio listing will only look for a rewrite at that specific address. Only mentioning this because you moved Draft talk:Shlomit Yanisky-Ravid/Temp, which later ended up in mainspace with a good deal of copyvio still intact (all sorted now, I think). I see your name everywhere, steadily making Wikipedia better – thank you for all that you do. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:40, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

User:Justlettersandnumbers - So does that mean that those temp pages are in quarantine? Okay. If so, I will treat them as if they have the coronavirus and leave them alone. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:41, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

No, it's perfectly OK to edit such a page, just not a great idea to move it to a different title. If the rewrite is acceptable it gets moved over the problem "parent" article, and if not, it gets deleted; it's strictly temporary in either case. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:36, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Snoqualmie_Valley_Record

Hello! The author of the above draft posted a sort of help request at the Teahouse, and I took a shot at improving the draft. I added some good sources. Noting in terrific depth, but the facts are more or less all verified. I also removed all of the LOC catalogue entries that were clouding the sourcing, as all they really offer is some minor facts. Could you take one last look at it and let me know what you think? I have the feeling that it just marginally makes it, but you would have a much more valuable opinion on that than I would. If it does not make it, the draft is toast, as there is probably nothing more to be found. ThanksThatMontrealIP (talk) 23:31, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Within 24 hours, yes. McClenon mobile (talk) 00:29, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

No rush at all. Thanks.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 01:36, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

User:ThatMontrealIP, User:NoahRiffe - It looks marginal, and that is good enough. If it is resubmitted, I will accept it. I may tag it, but I will accept it. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:21, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

thank you kindly!ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:27, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Regarding Draft NSUI PUDUCHERRY..

It was created for NSUI PUDUCHERRY Unit.... All the information are about NSUI PUDUCHERRY.... Not copied from NSUI.. So.. Accept my request.. Nk NSUI (talk) 04:09, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Adam Karim draft

Hello Robert , I just included a lot of references concerning this actor and model and still I am not getting anything. This person has a big notoriety in his country and in the middle east. He spent 10 years in this job, he had roles in so many movies, He worked with the biggest arab directors. He was also a music producer that worked with the most famous artists from the us and all over the globe, You can verify that , the achievements he did are noticeable. I put additional references in the draft of Adam Karim . If it is not enough , tell me what I should improve. The draft I made is well done and describe everything the neutral way. I followed all the guidelines given and I made sure that the references given meet the criteria for notability.

Precious anniversary

Precious

Four years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 03:54, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Draft Shamsher Singh (Journalist)

Hello Robert! I have improved the article and made the changes that were required. So, can you approve the article now or are there any other changes that need to be done?

Request on 13:40:47, 15 June 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by YYH Wiki

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YYH Wiki (talk) 13:40, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello Robert, Thanks for your reply. I am merging the two submissions but having trouble updating the citations. Is there a page that explains how to do that?

Thanks YYHYYH Wiki (talk) 13:40, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

User:YYH Wiki - I suggest that you ask for advice about the citations at the Teahouse. If the citations have been written to be free-standing, then if you merge the text and take the citations along, they should merge. If they have errors at this point, then you can ask for help. I haven't looked at the citations carefully. Citations are the hardest part of writing an article. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:47, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

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Draft: RMR

Thanks for Robert taking the time to review this Creation. I did believe the musical notability requirements were well met, citations were provided included the non-trivial and independent LA Times, and well-regarded Rolling Stone magazine that wrote dedicated articles about the artist, as well as social media platforms such as Hypebeast. I have since added confirmation that the debut album ranked 17 on iTunes in America upon its release. The article also confirms the artist's label is Warner, a major publisher of music. Would it make a difference if I add more Citations to demonstrate Notability ? I don't believe the article reads as a Directory, perhaps this is a function of the content being kept to a minimal ?

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Your draft article, User:SolanaM/sandbox

Hello, Robert McClenon. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "sandbox".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the {{db-afc}}, {{db-draft}}, or {{db-g13}} code.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia! JMHamo (talk) 09:29, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

"Chances" draft consensus confusion

Following your comments about the "Chances" draft last December, I put up a discussion on the talk pages of DNA and Backstreet Boys in regards to the draft being moved to mainspace or redirected. I only received one response so far, who stated that they favored the move, which I felt was not enough for consensus. I was wondering if one user in favor of the draft being moved would qualify for consensus, given that both articles do not have much talk page activity, and instances of past discussions closing with limited participation of users. If not, should I move the discussion to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Songs instead? Also, the original draft editor created a new article directly copied from the draft, with the title not adhering to naming conventions and disregard of previous comments. Is there anything I can do about this? — Angryjoe1111 (talk) 18:25, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Request on 22:29:58, 19 June 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Tiffany.ngan

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Hi Robert! I just would like some more guidance as to how to write this article from a neutral perspective; upon reviewing I didn't find any biased or promotional language and I would be happy to change that, I just don't know what is coming off as not neutral. Tiffany.ngan (talk) 22:29, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Tiffany.ngan (talk) 22:29, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Leopold Ružička - DRN

Hi,

I just checked the page, in the closure it is written I "did not respond three days after being asked to respond", although if you check the "Summary of dispute by KIENGIR", I immediately responded when the thread was opened...(KIENGIR (talk) 10:10, 20 June 2020 (UTC))

AUTOPATROLLED

Hi, how can i access AUTOPATROLLED rights? Baran Ahmet (talk) 17:52, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

User:Baran Ahmet - Ask that question at the Teahouse, but I think that the answer is that you shouldn't worry about that. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:57, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation

Hi Robert! Thank you for your help. I am hoping I did the disambiguation code at the end correctly. I tried to avoid confusing Joseph Kramer (aka Joe Kramer) with the Nazi version of Joseph Kramer :/ Thank you again for your help! Ruby — Preceding unsigned comment added by RubyFll (talk • contribs) 15:03, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

User:RubyFll - There almost certainly should be a disambiguation page, but I will look at that soon. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:02, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation for Matthews (2017 film)

Hi Robert, thanks for your comment on my article draft. I am brand new to Wikipedia. You said in a comment "an entry will need to be added to the disambiguation page for the primary name. The disambiguation page for the primary name is Matthews." Is there something I need to do to my article regarding this? Thank you. Kep1hc (talk) 15:24, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

User:Kep1hc - The disambiguation page already exists. If your draft is accepted, an entry can be made in the disambiguation page by the reviewer. My comment is a note to another reviewer more than to you. What is important to you is my concerns about the infobox and the references. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:56, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Vladímir Hirscher page in English

Good day! Vladímir Hirscher is a well-known artist with ethics a lot of notable-by-contemporary-criteria ones would envy for "human," "humble," and "talented." I have been following applied artists for more than 3 decades now, and he is one of the few who did not and does not answer pre-set interviews and paid offers or cross-promotions, nor looks out for those. Being sincere, too many pay for promotion and the time when people will invest genuine effort in mirroring one's artistic value objectively is still to come. I understand that Facebook is not a good reference but it leads to the artist's work and a picture is worthy 100 times the words, so it is up to you to re-analyze the situation here and tell me what is to be done. Only for information, the article is rewritten from the Czech language. Wrapping up all this, what is to be done so that the article is finished and I do not have a "dead" link into his father's one? Thanks! Marespw (talk) 05:20, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Good day again! I know you are prioritizing content but would like to remind you about my article here as well. Thanks. --Marespw (talk) 00:52, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Possible COI with submitted biography

Greetings! I am responding to a question about possible conflict of interest with the biography of Caroline Rose. I do not have a relationship with this person, nor am I being paid to edit the page. I deeply respect the ethical expectations for Wikipedia pages. This person is an important figure in the design of the original Macintosh and has been a vital force behind the recognition that technical writing can play an important role in software development. As a woman in technology, she has never received anywhere near the respect she deserves. If I have included something in the text that seems improper, please let me know what it is so I can delete it from the draft. I am semi-retired and plan to continue authoring Wikipedia biographies of people who are deserving but have been overlooked for some reason or another. Previously, I authored Ed King (activist) and currently planning a biography page for Keith Ohlfs, an important figure in interface design who recently passed away at the age of 50. I'm looking forward to hearing from you so we can resolve any issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Postsingular (talk • contribs) 01:02, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. I will copy your disclaimer to the draft talk page. McClenon mobile (talk)• —Preceding undated comment added 02:34, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

I appreciate it, Robert. Is there any way I can identify the sections that are being flagged so can remove them? Nothing looks obvious to me. Postsingular (talk) 16:39, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Siege draft

• Hi! Please see the comment at my talk page! Thanks! Jovanmilic97 (talk) 06:24, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
• An update on this whole mess: I have reverted the draft back to the version after my cleanups (which is neutral in tone, albeit a bit lacking it content). Could you check it now? I don't want to re-accept anything at this point, so an other reviewer's opinion like yours would be nice. Or maybe I should do a copy and paste creation of the article to avoid any previous COI edits in the article space? Regards, Jovanmilic97 (talk) 12:20, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Draft:List of English association football clubs winning major honours

You declined this a long time ago. It has resurfaced and I've had a shot at a half decent draft article name. I concur with your comment. I'm reasonably happy to accept it and let the community decide, but that also seems a waste of a load of AfD editors' time and effort. What are your thoughts, please? Fiddle Faddle 19:21, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Resolved for the moment. Fiddle Faddle 21:22, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

User:Timtrent - Yes, That was a longer time ago than I thought you meant, although not so long ago that I was dealing with dinosaurs. (In the late twentieth century, dinosaurs was a term used to refer to old large computers, typically by those who worked with smaller more compact computers.) I see it is declined for now. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:34, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Way way back I used to program a big brute with less power than my phone has now, in Burroughs Extended Algol. I have oddly fond memories of the user interface being a deck of cards and a printout. Happy days! Fiddle Faddle 21:39, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Your Observation on the Draft Evans Akanno

Hi Robert McClenon, Thank you so much for your professional feedback on my AfC which you suggested seems praiseworthy rather than neutrally written and, that it should be reworked. Secondly, you were also suspicious if there is any 'Conflict of Interest' issue and that I should make a declaration. As you put it:

Does the author of this draft have any sort of financial or other connection with the subject of this draft? Please read the conflict of interest policy and the paid editing policy and make any required declarations.

Let me start by saying clearly and categorically here to you that I have no conflict of interest. I don't know this person that I decided to write about and never met him or anyone that knows him and I don't have "any sort of financial" connection with him. I researched him and presented the information I uncovered in reliable secondary sources. I must admit I'm not a professional editor and I welcome feedback and suggestions from pros on how to better present articles in Wikipedia in the most objective manner. I write in Wikipedia voluntarily like everyone else and would love to see Wikipedia respected. However, it's surprising for me that you suspected if I am being paid and I wonder how much someone can pay to buy me to spend my precious time to write for him on Wikipedia. Nobody even knows I write in Wikipedia and I don't consider myself a professional PR promoter. I have read around Wikipedia about this issue since the whole of yesterday and I came to understand that some people might actually be doing just that. I therefore commend you and people like yourself for being vigilant for such abuse. Bravo! On the issue of 'praising' the subject of my article, I must say that I will try to rework it as you instructed. Thanks for your feedback and please keep up the good work. (Ozonyiawiki (talk) 11:18, 27 June 2020 (UTC))

DRN

I reduced my summary.[10] Could you please look into it? Thanks. Mcphurphy (talk) 05:27, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

RfC

Hi! Once again I wanted to thank you for your advice and disposition in the dispute resolution noticeboard. I have made some comments regarding the RfCs proposals, and was wondering if there could be any additional imputs before a request for comment is started. Please let me know if I can help in any other way. Best regards! --Jamez42 (talk) 13:08, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Re: your comment on my AFC submission Draft:Stay Gold (BTS song)

Forgive me if this sounds stupid but I'm unsure of how to reply to your comment. Is there a template I should use? It doesn't seem like the normal 'replyto' is appropriate in the section. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 00:25, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

User:Carlobunnie - In the future, when replying about a draft, please tell the reviewer what draft you were replying to. I review a lot of drafts, and do not always know which one you are writing about. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:55, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: my apologies. It's the Stay Gold by BTS draft. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 14:56, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Jane Geddes (art historian)

Hello! Thank you so much for reviewing Draft:Jane Geddes (art historian). I've fixed the date of birth inconsistency and it would be so wonderful if you were able to re-review! Thanks so much KerstingFan (talk) 09:50, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

User:KerstingFan - Was she born in 1950? Robert McClenon (talk) 13:55, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

User:Robert McClenon yes indeed 26 April 1950, I've got the citation from the peerage website. KerstingFan (talk) 14:14, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Editing news 2020 #3

On 16 March 2020, the 50 millionth edit was made using the visual editor on desktop.

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1974 Romanian Cup

Hello, I didn't want to copy and paste the article, I just want to put a template to create the 1974 Romanian Cup Final, but appeared a problem in real life, so I just saved it without modifying anything. Another user already changed the article, it was just a mistakeRhinen (talk)

Happy...

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Invitation to join the Fifteen Year Society

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Draft:Happy Halloween, Scooby-Doo!

I would like to present this page for review, if you want to review it. Starzoner (talk) 19:04, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Joseph Kramer (disambiguation)

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HungerStation

Just to replay at every point you noticed in my talkpage, first you said that the references does not show that the subject qualifier for wikipedia article,

Answer: i tried to search for an official sources in the english language and i didn’t find so i had to translate an official arabic pages into english by google translate

Second, you said that the submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources,

Answer : yes i agree that it must be better but i have nothing to do, this is what i found, also the sources are reliable in Arabic so there are no excuses

Third, the HungerStation website is popular in saudi arabia and it must be published at all the times, there is an example of an article that does not have any criteria and it’s still existing, it’s Talabat you can check the article and find many mistakes and imperfections that does not qualifies for a wikipedia article, so my question is, when will my page gets published ? And if there are defects why don’t you give the rest to contributors to edit and do their job ? I think this discussion is not that worth. Wikipedia is a free encyclopaedia where around thousands of editors can correct, fix and add sources from their diligence. I call on you to get the page published again and i would be thankful to you if it happened

Edit: Talabat article has only one reference so should HungerStation also have one ? Aziz bm (talk) 03:40, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

I need help

I know I’ve ask you plenty of times for help with people deleting articles I make but this one doesn’t make sense. Break My Heart Again. The users who want to delete it are threatening to take me to admin. What do I do about this? DarklyShadows (talk) 22:34, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Cooper Barnes (Actor)

please do not delete https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Cooper_Barnes_(Actor) since he is actually a notable actor, yes he is notable enough to have a wikipedia page since he starred in both henry danger, danger force and other movies and tv shows.--Freewayman 2000 (talk) 02:32, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

User:Freewayman 2000 - Make that argument at the MFD, not on my talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:49, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

MFD?--Freewayman 2000 (talk) 02:50, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Freewayman 2000 see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Cooper Barnes ◊PRAHLAD^balaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 03:07, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

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Deadwyler74 (talk) 06:01, 14 July 2020 (UTC) i would like to edit and republish Lonnie Deadwyler page

Review draft

Hello Robert McClenon I wonder if you are still in charge of reviewing the Draft:Ross Petty (pediatrician). If so, is there´s an estimated time to get an update? I submitted my draft for review 3 weeks ago and haven't received any updates

Thanks LJimenez2004 (talk) 05:12, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Management Move

Hi Robert, I see on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mark_Gillespie_(music_producer) you have labeled him as a music producer. There are no articles or sources that cite him as a producer. I have cited sources and publications labeling him as a music manager and executive. May you correct where he is mislabeled in parenthesis? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bouncecouncil (talk • contribs) 17:58, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

I believe this presumption that the article is about a music producer is what led to you declining publishing of this article. Bouncecouncil (talk) 22:40, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

User:Bouncecouncil - I am not entirely sure that I understand why it matters whether he is considered a music producer or a music executive. What is the difference? Do you think that he qualifies for an article based on musical notability criteria or general notability? If musical notability, which criterion? Robert McClenon (talk) 15:54, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

User:Robert McClenon Great questions. Thank you for opening a discussion on this. I’ll start off first by mentioning that I used the article on music manager and executive Scooter Braun. I used this article as a reference because Scooter manages similar recording artists as Mark Gillespie and also runs businesses and philanthropies in a similar fashion. That being said, neither of them would be classified as a music producer. The reason being is their roles as music managers and executives includes managing artists’ business deals, sponsorships, bookings, and day to day operations so that the artist can simply focus on being “artistic”. Music producers, on the other hand, are themselves artists. Music producers oversee the entire production of a song. This includes song writing, song arrangements, song recording, mixing, mastering, and in some instances distribution. A music producer may either have their artistic hand in all the aforementioned or may also delegate duties to sub contractors. The music producer produces musical works. The music manager is all the business that surrounds the music. The draft I published about Mark Gillespie would not fall under Musical Notability because the subject is neither artist, band, composer, or any other creative. Thank you for hearing my argument. I hope this helps in your consideration of reopening the draft for submission. Bouncecouncil (talk) 19:39, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

User:Bouncecouncil - Well, before I read the current version of the draft, I will say, first, that I am aware that many editors use an existing article as a basis for a new article. I do not think that this approach is useful, because it only works if the subjects of the two articles have the same notability. Second, if, as you say, he is not a music producer and so musical notability is not applicable, then general notability is the only applicable test, and that is a difficult guideline to follow, so I am not optimistic that I will accept a draft for a music executive. Music executives are businessmen, and they are mostly run-of-the-mill, and tend to get deleted at AFD. I will look at the draft. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:42, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Review Pangwali & Churahi

Hi Robert, I don't understand well what you exactly mean by 'project'. I am a native speaker of a Western Pahari language, and it is my interest to collect information about these languages. The identity of these language is very less known among the general public due to various reasons. I am here only to put on whatever I know about these languages, so that speakers of these language can have some sense of appreciation for there mother tongues and as well as familiarise others. There is a huge misconception that these languages are mere dialects of Hindi or are small in number or a single language with name Pahari. That's why I started creating page for each of these languages and updating other pages. I am planning to create two more pages: Gaddi and Saraji under Western Pahari as well as pages on kolong(sTodpa) which is a Tibetic language spoken in Lahaul Spiti, Himachal Pradesh. Updating each page with atleast some basic info on grammer and vocabulary is my next step. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nik9hil (talk • contribs) 19:16, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

User:Nik9hil - I meant to ask whether there is a coordinated activity, such as a WikiProject, by multiple editors. You appear to be saying that this is not an activity by multiple editors, but that you are individually taking the initiative to document as many of the Western Pahari languages as you can. If so, thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:30, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

User:Robert McClenon - Yes, it is an individual effort. Your welcome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nik9hil (talk • contribs) 20:29, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

2000 Marlboro Grand Prix of Miami

Created again after being rejected from AfC repeatedly. See User talk:OscarWongLara1999 Enigma^msg 21:31, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

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DRN Closure of Colsten

Thank you. Nightenbelle (talk) 03:08, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Articles for creation: Saülo Mercader

Hello, thanks for your quick reply, I wanted to see if all my article was correct. I will edit all the ancient article then.

Regards,

Ezk (talk) 08:14, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

User:Ezk - I did not compare the articles in detail. I saw that the two articles were about the same person and that each of them contained some information that was not in the other article. I see that you have merged the articles. Thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:34, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Accelerated experiential dynamic psychotherapy submission decline

Hi, I would like to address some of the reasons you recommended the AEDP article for speedy deletion. 1. The notability of the topic has not been disputed. I'm sure WP: PSYCH will vouch for that (the APA video series, mentions in popular press and influence in the field as noted by inclusion in numerous research studies).

2. I did add a good deal of new sources - the article is re-written around new the 3rd party sources. All the sources after 2016 are new.

3. I did state my COI in the talk page. I was told that its not necessarily against neutral point of view to be a therapist who uses this model and has attended trainings.

4. If this is notable and it wikipedia needs it, then it would be terrible to blow it up just to have someone re-write it: they would be using the same sources and saying the same things. why not leave it out there for someone else in WP; PSYCH to work on whenever someone can get around to it. There are only so many ways to say what something is, why it is, how it is etc...

Carrieruggieri (talk) 01:30, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Also, according to biogeograpist who recommend the redirect, the re-direct was meant to be temporary until the article was improved . Carrieruggieri (talk) 01:58, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Carrieruggieri (talk) 01:58, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

One other point is that I had been waiting for someone from WP:PSYCH to review it or take it over as suggested by biogeographist but no one has since May. I would have continued to wait but fiddle faddle suggested I go ahead and submit it (he responded to my request for a pre-submission review). Carrieruggieri (talk)

Dev Mohan

Hi Robert McClenon, Hope you are doing well. Need your attention here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dev Mohan, as you recently rejected this draft. DMySon 05:47, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

User:DMySon - Well, I didn't Reject the draft. I declined it twice as not meeting acting notability, which requires multiple significant roles. The subject had one significant role. The subject still has one significant role listed in the article that it is up for AFD. I will recommend a Delete. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:34, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Brad Chase - Businessman

Robert I respectfully disagree with your comment. I added/rewrote an entire paragraph cited from a front page New York Times article where Mr. Chase (and his team) were a primary focus. I then added several recent podcasts and blog posts. I also edited texted to focus more on Mr. Chase directly. This feedback was added to address the notability objection. Mr. Chase meets the notability requirement. He conceived and executed the marketing for arguably the most famous software product marketing effort and product in industry history. He was a central witness in a landmark anti-trust case. He led multiple other efforts for some of the most famous Microsoft products (Office, MS-DOS, MSN). When he left Microsoft it was an above the fold front page Wall Street Journal story. He was one of the top executives and most famous people from Microsoft - one headline I cited called him a "Microsoft Legend." He has consulted or been on the board of major companies. He is interviewed frequently in the press. He has just released a book with impressive reviews so far. I have examined the entries for his Microsoft colleagues and they are almost all less complete and frankly in most cases less notable so it feels like there is lots of inconsistency in the standards.

I am pretty new at this and trying my best but it feels like I address the feedback and get no credit for doing so. I would appreciate reconsideration and welcome advice.

Thanks Phillipbach33 (talk) 04:39, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

User:Phillipbach33 - I said that my Rejection did not mean that Chase was not notable but it did not mean that he is notable. However, the changes that you were making to the draft were not addressing the questions about notability, and were also not addressing the question about whether you have a conflict of interest. I would be more inclined to reconsider my decision if your statement above seemed neutral, but your statement above reads as if you are writing about your employer. I am prepared to discuss at the Teahouse. I strongly suggest that you address conflict of interest when you discuss at the Teahouse. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:21, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Robert. I went to the Teahouse but don't yet understand how to discuss this with you there. I will try and figure it out. Phillipbach33 (talk) 18:40, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Guidance before submitting a page for review

This is Soumyajit Bhar, a Ph.D. scholar at ATREE, Bangalore, under the supervision of Dr. Sharachchandra Lele. I, along with a few of his other Ph.D. scholars, Ms. Roshni Kutty and Mr. Amit John Kurien have decided independently to create a Wikipedia page for Dr. Lele (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bharsoumyajit88/sandbox). We are aware that there is a mild conflict of interest, but we have put together a page based on the materials available on him in various publicly-verifiable sources. Dr. Lele is a globally renowned scholar in the field of environmental studies and he meets the first criterion of notability for academics, because their papers have been cited more than 6000 times and his World Development paper is in the top 10 most cited papers in the journal.

I have the following questions/guidance:

1. Being new to Wikipedia, I have mistakenly created a duplicate page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sharachchandra_Lele). I want guidance on how to delete this. I want to keep the sandbox one.

2. Please help me resolve the error in the #26 reference.

3. I have addressed all the comments given after the last submission to the best of my abilities. Please let me know if there is any further scope for me improve it.

4. I want some guidance on where to mention the declaration of this mild conflict of interest while I am submitting an article for review. May I include this at the beginning of the article itself?

Awaiting your response. Thanks in advance.

with regards, Soumyajit — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bharsoumyajit88 (talk • contribs) 18:34, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

User:Bharsoumyajit88 - One draft copy has been deleted. I have removed the notice that the sandbox is a duplicate. Also, put the conflict of interest declaration on the talk page of the draft, not on the draft itself. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:25, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

RfC on the article regarding Santa Claus

Please see: Talk:Santa Claus#RfC about the wording lead section of the article. Félix An (talk) 03:17, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Fish allergy

Thank you for review and approval. Ever since I began looking at the food allergy articles, it irked me that among the eight most common food allergies, fish (and shellfish) did not have their own articles. Researching for the draft led me to some interesting facts, including that skin testing for fish allergy has false negatives because fish collagen in not in the standard set of compounds being tested. David notMD (talk) 17:29, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

User:David notMD - Does that mean that we were missing two articles, or three? Fish allergy and shellfish allergy are unrelated to each other except in both being allergies, but is shellfish allergy one syndrome, or two? After all, crustacea and mollusca are both called shellfish, but are not much more closely related to each other than they are to bony fish. Does the allergen in shrimp happen to be the same as the allergen in mussels, or different? Robert McClenon (talk) 18:36, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

PMID 28239537 states that tropomyosin as an allergenic protein is present across crustaceans (shrimp, crabs, lobster...) AND ALSO MOLLUSKS (mussels, oysters, scallops, squid, octopus), and may be responsible for cross-reactivity to dust mites, cockroaches...! Some of the other crustacean proteins, such as arginine kinase, are also cross-reactive to some mollusks. Based on this, and on the general identification of 'shellfish' as one of the eight common food allergens, my opinion is that one article would cover the topic. David notMD (talk) 18:55, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Eliud Kinuthia

Sorry to get you involved, but since you are a long time NPP reviewer, i may need your editorial advice here.I recently created this stub article, that has now been tagged for CSD as A7. Do you agree with this assesement? Just to seek an external opinion. Regards Megan Barris (Lets talk📧) 20:42, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Answered at Talk:Eliud Kinuthia. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:27, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

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A tag has been placed on Talk:Pratik jadhav111/sandbox, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations for more information.

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@User456541: User:User456541 - Do you remember what this was? It must have been a page that I had previously moved. I do see that I previously moved a sandbox by this user into draft space and declined it. But the draft that I declined is still there and is not spam, just crud. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:28, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Greetings and request for advice

Hi Robert McClenon! Thank you for taking the time to look at the page I created: William Woodward and noting that it will need to be disambiguated from the deceased artist of the same name. I am new to Wikipedia and I am hoping that you might give me a few pointers in this new article creation process. I would like to ensure that I set up for success, as best as I can hope to be, when the article does get formally reviewed. If you have the time, any suggestions or comments would be most appreciated. I also noticed on your talk page here that the page Articles for Creation has been suggested and I wonder if this would be a better avenue for my article to be reviewed and published? Thank you for your time! Best, EArvaWeb (talk) 22:23, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Kevin Andrew Tan Article Review

Hi Robert McClenon! I saw that you have previously contributed to this article before: Draft: Kevin Andrew Tan. Would you mind if I ask for your further assistance to move it to the mainspace? COI issue in this article has been fixed and there seems to be no existing issue anymore. I find it odd that it's still pending for a month already. It is now up for review and I believe it should be published by now. Thank you so much. 119.94.2.42 (talk) 02:52, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

How has the conflict of interest been taken care of? Has it been declared, or has it been determined that there is no conflict of interest, or has it been neutralized? Robert McClenon (talk) 13:27, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

Not just you. the IP solicited two other editors with the same request to by-pass AfC and move the article to main space. I left notes on their Talk pages. David notMD (talk) 02:45, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Robert McClenon and David notMD, I've been patient with all of you and to the editors who gave their input to improve further the article because I believe these remarks can help us move forward with the article and I truly appreciate these. But I find these remarks, especially on the talkpage of the article, quite bothersome. I am confident that we have followed every policy that needs to be done and we also asked plenty of times on how we can further improve this article to improve its notability. Like I said before, all of the accounts associated in this article are ALREADY DISCLOSED as PAID EDITING in the talkpage. Now regarding the IP Address, I use this because I get banned every time I use an account because afterwards, I get banned again due to "sockpuppetry" which I completely understand but how else can I reach out for help in the editor's talkpages if I get banned all the time, right? I hope you guys know where I am coming from. Apologies for this long rant but I believe it needs to be said. We just really need help on improving this article, I just don't understand why things get more complicated. Please note that I'm just new to Wikipedia that's why we are always reaching out for help. I hope you understand. Thank you. 119.94.9.169 (talk) 06:33, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

No. I do understand enough to know a few things. To begin at the end, you are not new to Wikipedia if you keep getting blocked for sockpuppetry. You are not new to Wikipedia if you are a banned editor. But I will continue on the article talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:36, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Please restore the article

Dear @Robert McClenon:, If I'm not mistaken, it is not correct to delete this page.

• The rules say that

If this draft is resubmitted without being reworked, it may be nominated for deletion.

This draft has already been draftified twice as undersourced. If this draft is moved into article space again, it should be nominated for deletion.

This event is a violation, please notify the user and restore the article.--Elshad Iman (Elşad İman) (talk) 11:13, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

User:Elshad Iman (Elşad İman) - What article? Do you mean Damed Imanov? I did not delete it. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:30, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

yes you did not delete this article, I want to ask you to restore it.--Elshad Iman (Elşad İman) (talk) 13:33, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

PLEASE REVIEW MY DRAFT

(talk) PLEASE REVIEW MY submission, all the sources are reliable and Surabhi Prabhu is a notable model actress. she has a verified Instagram and IMDb profile . I have made necessary changes . please check . I will be happy to change anything if you suggest . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boatti (talk • contribs) 09:58, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Instagram and Imdb are not reliable.McClenon mobile (talk) 18:06, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for telling me that Instagram and Imdb are not reliable as I thought that would help . She has all the leading papers like The Times of India , Deccan chronicle articles on her , I have attached only two articles , there are many articles from reputed Newspapers on her . Still you doubt her notability. She is very popular in modelling as well . Her Tv presence in series is also well known . This was my first submission ever , can someone help me edit this topic so that I understand my mistakes and further don't repeat in my next topic . please help in my edit and bring this topic to the main space please. Google has all her credentials, I have tried to research as much as I could . please help , please add or delete whatever you feel is unnecessary from the draft of Surabhi Prabhu. PLEASE HELP !!

User:Boatti - Please ask for advice at the Teahouse. Maybe someone there can give you advice. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:32, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boatti (talk • contribs) 20:39, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Rishi Kumar

Hi Robert! Could you please help me fix the problems with my draft? I have multiple references about Rishi Kumar and I have tried to incorporate them into my article to demonstrate notability, as requested. By submitting my drafts I did not intend to annoy the reviewers, and I am very sorry if I did. I was merely trying to fix the references to the article draft and get the article published. Could you please provide some help on the matter? Or do you think it is not possible to write a Wikipedia article about Rishi Kumar until (or if) he actually wins his election? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeinsanjose (talk • contribs) 19:49, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

User:Joeinsanjose - First, articles on candidates for Congress are very seldom accepted if the subject was not already notable before receiving the nomination. so it might not be possible to get an article about Kumar accepted. Second, I am aware that you were not trying to annoy the reviewers. Very few editors try to annoy the reviewers. However, you did submit drafts eight times in 24 hours, which is inherently annoying to reviewers who are also volunteers, and who keep getting two copies of the same thing back on the same queues over and over again. It might have been a good idea to slow down and ask for advice or help. At this point I suggest replying at the deletion discussion about avoiding getting both copies of the draft deleted, rather than asking how to fix anything else. At this point your main problem is that your drafts have been tagged for deletion. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:14, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Please kindly clarify

I want bring your notice here, every club has a fan group now a days, but that does not matter that it passes wikipedia guidelines most importantly WP:SIGCOV and WP:GROUP. Without fulfilling these guidelines we cannot keep these kind of articles. I agree with that.The article Manjappada, fan group of Kerala Blasters FC was first created in 2016 and deleted per discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Manjappada, failing SIGCOV. Again it was recreated in 2018 and redirect per discussion at 1, failing SIGCOV along with failing per G4 and G7 of WP:CSD. And recently it was recreated again in May 2020 and deleted per G4:recreation of deleted page, G5:creation by blocked user.

However, if we consider the first deletion of Manjappada was basically for not having significant coverage. And the latest article created was atleast four times the size of the 2016-2018 article. Its well structured than before and has coverage in TOI, The News Minute, FirstPost, AsianNet News, Sportskeeda, Goal.com, New Indian Express. I just want to ask you why the draft for the article is now protected by admins.Yoy were in favour for the deletion of the draft..Please kindly explain to me the matter. Shahoodu (talk) 09:31, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

User:Shahoodu - Explain what? The redirect is protected due to edit-wars. Discuss with the protecting administrator, User:GB fan, or some other administrator. Or don't discuss it. I am not sure what the issue is. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:49, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

About Draft:Pichu

I am confused, are you declining it solely due the comment left by the banned user? Is there any way to get this article on the mainspace as I think that notability has been proven by the sources provided. Can you please help me?(Oinkers42) (talk) 19:25, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

User:(Oinkers42) - I made a mistake in not noticing that the comment had been made by a sockpuppet of a banned user. The comment is still valid that not every species needs an article, and a considerable amount of electronic blood has been shed over the notability of the mythical beings, known as the Pokemon Test. I am willing to reverse my decline. I am not ready to accept, but would suggest that there should be discussion at WikiProject Pokemon. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:47, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I have my issues with the Pokémon Test, as I feel it is really exclusionary and especially mean to fictional works and other media, specifically Pokémon. I do, however, understand why it is there.(Oinkers42) (talk) 19:55, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Draft Feedback

Hello, thanks for you feedback on my recent draft - it's helped me learn quite a bit about Wikipedia.

One of the pieces of feedback on the draft was about notability and significant coverage. The draft had citations from several reputable independent sources including The AP, Outside Magazine, GeekWire, The Denver Post, a government website, and more - 16 sources in total. Nearly all of these articles are directly about the company or its founder/CEO in relation to the company. This coverage appears equal to or greater than similar companies that have live pages. Was the feedback here suggesting that the sources themselves were inadequate? Or that the sum of their coverage did not meet the notability standard?

The other issue outlined was POV, "This draft is written from the viewpoint of the company, focusing on what the company says about itself. Corporate notability is based on what independent reliable sources have written about the subject." Each point of coverage was from the independent sources discussed above, only the introduction of the company's core functions (what it sells) is sourced from the company. Since I have a (disclosed) COI, I wanted to keep the draft very factual. Does this feedback mean I should try to write more about the company's impact? There are some published independent articles from notable sources that cover unique aspects of the company business model that could be included. How else might the POV be improved to be more neutral?

Thanks, Msklar12 (talk) 20:02, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Draft Declined

Hi Robert,

I completely understand why my draft for the 2020 Meath Senior Football Championship was declined by you. I had created the draft in June and it was awaiting review. However, last week, another user created the same article and was obviously in a position to publish it immediately without requiring a review, making my draft redundant.

I was wondering if there was any chance in getting another of my drafts reviewed (Draft:2020 Meath Intermediate Football Championship)? This is a similar article to the one declined by yourself (it's the competition grade below) and, as of today, no one has published this article. I'm eager to be able to create articles on Wikipedia having made a number of edits already. But obviously it'd be a bit disheartening if I spent a long time on two separate articles only for both of them to be made redundant while awaiting review due to another user creating their own article. If this draft can't be reviewed, I understand. Thanks.

Meathkildare (talk) 10:45, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Request on 17:04:19, 30 July 2020 for assistance on AfC submission by Rugby-league-100

• Rugby-league-100 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Alex Foster (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi there - I am trying to create this page about alex foster a rugby league player - however you declined the page because it already exists. However that page is for another rugby league player also called alex foster, this is not the same person - How can I get the page up for this individual of the same name? Is it possible to change the name to Alexander foster?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Alex_Foster#Background_%26_Career

Thank you

Rugby-league-100 (talk) 17:04, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Draft:The Little Mermaid (upcoming film)

it has voice work recording done. That foes not satisfy wp:nff, ?Starzoner (talk) 01:54, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

DRN

Robert, are you just taking a break or have you burnt out and moved on? Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 17:47, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Never mind, I overlooked your edits there from earlier today. My bad. Sorry for the interruption. Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 17:51, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

User:TransporterMan - Sometimes I forget to look at DRN for 48 hours, but I don't think this was one of those times. I jumped into the Britannia dispute because it looked like it could be handled if someone took it immediately, but that if they kept on going back-and-forth quickly, then someone would probably be uncivil and it would get sour, so it would required quick intervention to tell them to listen. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:50, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

about the draft

Hello Robert McClenon, About Draft:Ali Mansour, a notable actor

• 1. Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.

- yes, his role in the series Napoleon wal Mahroussa , his role in the series Saraya Abdeen , and in IMDb and elcinema.com.

• 2. Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following.

- yes, An actor and influencer with more than 200,000 followers on Facebook.

• 3. Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment.

- yes, promoting to Egypt, Tour guide and influencer here.

• Ali Mansour On the largest Egyptian news sites. a notable person independent reliable sources 1 2 3 - radio interview On the official channel , television interview.
• all i have write in the Draft have a source.
• and You can use Google Translate to translate the titles and content of the sources in Arabic.
• Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 102.40.50.90 (talk) 20:08, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

hi Robert McClenon, I'm very sad, 3 Drafts are not accepting because i am ip and not editor, all have sources, And they refuse for the same reasons. Everyone rejects drafts, nobody helps, we try hours, and they easily refuse in seconds. 1-Draft:Sherif Salama, 2- Draft:Napoleon Wal Mahrousa, 3- Draft:Ali Mansour. -41.35.85.111 (talk) 22:20, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Added Links to Anne Smith artist article

Hi Robert,

Thanks for your review and feedback of the Anne Smith artist page. I have added a new journal source, and removed the wikipedia links to collaborating artists. So there are now reliable sources of National Gallery of Australia (Australian Government), Australian Art Gallery (NSW Government), Sydney Printmakers (Industry group), and OZ Arts (Industry journal). I've also run error checking on the citations which found no errors. Hope that all helps for the resubmitted review request.

Shazjones (talk) 06:53, 3 August 2020 (UTC)Shazjones

The Arabian gentleman

I felt it worth AfD and analysing the refs to seek to prevent re-creation. I'm flagged the images on Commons as well. I had a feeling we might coincide with edits. Fiddle Faddle 15:33, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

User:Timtrent - With an analysis of the references that does not support notability, of course, it should go to AFD, which, among other things, puts your analysis of the references on record. Thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:08, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

I would have taken the liberty of superseding your PROD with the full ref analysis and then popped over here to apologise for doing so

I suspect there may be pressure on the editor to create this piece. They have uploaded many pictures to Commons. I have requested evidence of permission or each one Fiddle Faddle 16:14, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your attention Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Kamala_Harris

First of all, and foremost, thank you for your recent action on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Kamala_Harris I think the way that you have collapsed my comments highlights that there are conduct issues here, and someone needs to step in and focus exclusively on the context. I do think other editors have commented on conduct in the DRN, but have done so in a way that make it not as easily collapsible. This is more of an observation than a call to action. I do think that the dispute needs a volunteer to work on the dispute itself. I don't really know how to get attention on that. Your page notice suggests the dispute resolution talk page, I will go there. Rklahn (talk) 18:54, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Wicks Thermodynamically Ideal Engine

Dear User: Robert McClenon,

I am speaking on behalf of my professor Mr. Frank E. Wicks, the creator and developer of the Wicks Thermodynamically Ideal Fuel Engine. He requested to initiate a conversation with you upon rejection of his Wikipedia page. We need your attention on the following talk page : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_talk:Wicks_Thermodynamically_Ideal_Engine_Cycle which was professor Wicks attempt to address your comments on original research. Professor Wicks truly appreciates your volunteering work and Wikipedia's commitment to make peer-reviewed material available to the world. Here's a quick summary he prepared.

"The motivation for Wicks to define the ideal fuel burning engine started in the 1970s with concepts for more efficient space heating. It would lead to practical inventions and many presentations and publications. It also begged the question of what is the maximum efficiency space heating system. It would be comprised of an ideal fuel burning engine driving an ideal heat pump. Carnot defined the ideal heat pump as a function of indoor and outdoor temperatures, but Carnot does not define the efficiency of an ideal fuel burning engine. Thus Wicks proceeded to derive the efficiency as a function of the maximum combustion product temperature $T_{hot,max}$ and the ambient temperature $T_{cold}$. It is notable that fuel burning engines have powered civilization for three centuries, but an ideal equation and the corresponding three process cycle was not published until 1991. This efficiency equation also defines the ideal bottom cycle for a combined cycle engines and for heat engines that harnesses hot water from a geothermal source."

The talk page includes multiple attachments relevant to this work as well as references made by independent researchers on the Wicks cycle. We hope this work will help you re-evaluate the original content and provide us with a feedback on how to improve it.

With appreciation,

user: Lebbaro Lebbaro (talk) 21:51, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Britannia POV Tags removed with zero concensus

Hello [[User: Robert McClenon]

I'm not sure where to add on the dispute page, following your latest guidance. Please note the POV tags on the Britannia page, which were inserted and partially triggered the dispute you're moderating, have been removed (again) by one of the people involved in the ongoing debate. This is neither ethical or correct, given what Wiki says about when to remove them:

You may remove this template whenever any one of the following is true:

There is consensus on the talkpage or the NPOV Noticeboard that the issue has been resolved. It is not clear what the neutrality issue is, and no satisfactory explanation has been given. In the absence of any discussion, or if the discussion has become dormant.

None of them are true and I'm not going to add them again myself (I can't) or ask anybody else to. However, if this dispute is to be dealt with fairly, then surely both sides needs to colour in between the lines.

I hope this will be addressed, Regards, SR SethRuebens (talk) 21:07, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hey Robert, I removed the tag for a couple reasons. First, there is no real POV issue among reliable secondary sources because there are none to support the claim. Second, because there is consensus that there is no issue between editors who aren't banned from the page. I believe either of these satisfy the removal criteria, but would appreciate your thoughts if you disagree and would be happy to revert myself. Thanks, PAVA11 (talk) 22:37, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

User:PAVA11 - The two accounts that were advancing the plagiarism claim have been blocked as suspected sockpuppets of each others. The removal of the tag was appropriate. The dispute will be closed. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:38, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Not sure it requires any additional follow-up since the accounts are blocked, but the Google user image at the top right of this screenshot (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Tvcameraopworksforsky.png) uploaded by SethRuebens appears to match this picture of Krushkoff from his website (https://www.britanniatvseries.com/communities/6/004/013/671/866/images/4636722622.png). Oops. PAVA11 (talk) 14:51, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

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